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Hi all, I need to know the advantage s and disadvanta ges of all Structural analysis and design softwares like
STAAD, SAP etc. I want both technical capabilities and also cost of the software. I am doing it as a part of my research. Can anyone guide me to the right channel. If there is no such source can you please give me the informatio n you have. 1. Which software you use for structural analysis and design? 2. Upto how many stories will it do the analysis and design efficiently? 3. Why is
it better than other softwares? . (answers may be user friendly GUI or quick etc) 4. What is the cost of license of the software? Thanks for your time, Raghu.
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Dear All, Please give some details on the softwares. Please spare a moment and write something you know on the civil engineering softwares. Thanks, Raghu.
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I need to know the advantages and disadvantages of all Structural analysis and design softwares like STAAD, SAP etc. I want both technical capabilities and also cost of the software. I am doing it as a part of my research. Can anyone guide me to the right channel. If there is no such source can you please give me the information you have. 1. Which software you use for structural analysis and design? 2. Upto how many stories will it do the analysis and design efficiently? 3. Why is it better than other softwares?. (answers may be user friendly GUI or quick etc)
4. What is the cost of license of the software? Thanks for your time, Raghu.
I have been using STAAD.Pro for six years already. Unfortunately I cannot give you the comparison since I know only the basic of the other softwares such as SAP, ETABS, Tekla, etc. Here are my answers: 1. STAAD.Pro 2007 2. I only tried up to 7stories concrete design bldg. But as far as I know, you can use this softwares for high rise buildings. 3. I can't say STAAD is better than the others. What I can say is that maybe there are softwares better than STAAD. 4. For the price, pls visit this link: http://selectservices.bentley.com/en-US/. I have no idea because my boss is the one purchasing the softwares. But it is expensive, my wild guess is more or less 50 thousand US dollars
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My job is designing RCC multi storied buildings using Structural software, in a government department. In my office, I work with STAAD.Pro. I have colleagues working with STRAP and NISA/Civil. Im also in personal contact with designers using ETABS. In this view, I shall give some points I believe will be useful:* STAAD.Pro is the most widely used one in Asia * The text editor facility for the model input file makes STAAD.Pro the most versatile for model creation and modification. * ETABS is the most advanced (from among what Ive seen). ETABS has facility for: - Construction sequence analysis. - Push-over analysis. (RISA 3D also has this facility) - Shear wall design thats practically very useful * SAP2000 has facilities for creep/shrinkage * STAAD.Pro and ETABS has facility for design as per IS:13920 (ductile detailing). * STAAD.Pro and ETABS has additional software for foundation design (especially mat). They are STAAD.Foundation and SAFE respectively. * NISA/Civil gives wonderful structural drawings that can be opened in AutoCAD. * NISA, the general FEM package comes along with NISA/Civil * NISA/Civil has facility for isolated & combined footings thats convenient The list is not exhaustive, but a few points that just occurred to me. I would like others to contribute their points of view on these, as well as other software, like STRUDL, CADS, RISA 3D, Struds, SCADDS, etc. I would also like to hear about Civil/FEM, if anyone is using it, which is a sort of plug-in to ANSYS (of which Im a fan). Regards, Rahul Leslie rahul.leslie@gmail.com
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Hello Mr. Raghu, Mr.Rahul & Kardels quoted some good points.Here is the infomation I have. As per my knowledge , There are varity of software which are good in their respective areas.For example:1)STAADPro is a very very useful Windows based finite element analysis software for the analysis and design of general structure.You can design bldg or some infrastructure project on Staad but with it's limitation.You come to know it's limitations when you design a shear wall or assign some plate/shell or design connection in steel structure. Prices which I have, are three years old StaadPro2005(5 users):- Rs.3,19,540/Website add. for further information: www.reiusa.com REI Bentley Another good software from REI Bentley is Staad Foundation. 2)1. SAP2000 is an analysis and design package for the design of bridges, industrial structures, transmission towers, machine foundations, power facilities, cable structures, sports facilities, performance venues, and other special structures. Price $ 2,000 to $ 8,000.(American Dollers) 2. ETABS is Windows based 3-D finite element analysis software for buildings and objectbased integrated analysis and design package for linear and non-linear design of buildings and other similar structures. It is very useful for Tall building design. Price $ 4,500 to $ 6,500. 3. SAFE is an object-based integrated analysis and design package for slabs and foundations. Price $ 3,000. 4. CSICOL is a program for analysis and design of reinforced concrete and composite columns.Price $ 1,100. 5.Preform3D is a highly focused nonlinear software tool for earthquake resistant design. Before 3 year, the package of I) SAP(10 user) II)Etabs(10 user) III)Perform3D(5 user) was for Rs. 1,45,100/website:-www.csiberkeley.com Computers and Structures, Inc. 3)ANSYS is an advanced analysis and design finite element software with powerful simulation capabilities. This was one of the first commercially available software packages. Most applications are for mechanical engineering. For Civil structures I will recommend Ansys Multiphysics or Structural.(mainly useful for thesis or research work) To capture civil field, Ansys Inc. tie up with CivilFEM and bring AnsysCivilFEM. Another useful software for simulation from Ansys is AI*NASTRAN website:-www.ansys.com ANSYS Inc. 4)STRAP is a Windows based 3-D finite element analysis software for bridges. Price STRAP(1 user):-Rs.75,375/www.atir.com ATIR Engineering Software 5)NISA Civil is a finite element analysis CAD based software for Analysis and Design of
Reinforced Concrete and Steel Structures. Price NISA Civil(1 user):-1,32,080/www.nisasoftware.com Cranes Software Inc. 6)STRUDS is a 3-D finite element analysis and design software for Building.It is totally designed by brilliant Indian Engineers/Programmers. Price STRUDS(1 user):-Rs.23,400/www.softtech-engr.com M/s SoftTech Engineers Pvt. Ltd, Pune (SoftTech has made a software for Pune Muncipal Corp. which gives automatic FSI calculaions, which wins a prestigious medal in London.) 7)GT STRUDL is a Windows based finite element analysis software for reinforced concrete and steel structures. www.gtstrudl.gatech.edu Georgia Tech CASE Center For Steel Structures following 8)Tekla Structures( now X steel is a part of it) is a Building Information Modeling (BIM) system covering the entire structural design process.I will recommend for steel design & drafting. www.tekla.com TEKLA INDIA PVT LTD. 9)ProSteel- Another good software from Bentley for steel design and drafting but still 45years behind X steel.Major advantage is that it is a CAD based software and price I have heard is less than half of Xsteel. Some special perpose softwares which are femous in Other part of world are:10)1. ALGOR Design and Finite Element Analysis Software: this is a complete finite element modeling analysis, results evolution and presentation package, including analysis capabilities for static stress, Mechanical Event Simulation, linear dynamics, heat transfer, fluid flow, electrostatics and multi-physics. 2. ALGOR Mechanical Event Simulation Software, FEA based motion and stress analysis with linear and non-linear materials. It supports civil applications, including mining explosives, earthquake loading and laminated glass. www.algor.com ALGOR Inc. 11)ASDIP 4.0, is an integrated system composed of 20 modules for structural design of building components such as beams, columns, walls, footings and more. Price $ 525 www.asdipsoft.com ASDIP 12)CADRE PRO is a general structural analysis application for developing loads, stresses, and displacements of any structure. Price $ 385 CADRE Analytic 13)VisualDesign is an integrated modular software for general 3-D analysis and design of steel, reinforced concrete, prestressed concrete and timber design. Soil/structure interaction and dynamic analysis. www.civild.com CivilDesign Inc.
14)1.TUNA PLUS is a finite element analysis software tailored for tunneling applications. 2.SMAP-3D is a 3-D non-linear soil-structure finite element analysis subjected to seismic and explosive blast loadings. www.comtecresearch.com Comtec Research 15)1.Daystar FootingMaster calculates a complete analysis and design of concrete wall footings with wall offsets and rectangular spread footings with column offsets using your choice of the UBC, BOCA, SBCCI or ACI building codes. Price $ 295. 2.Daystar RetainWall calculates a complete analysis and design of concrete and masonry cantilevered retaining walls based on the UBC, BOCA, SBCCI or ACI building codes. Price $ 295. www.daystarsoftware.com Daystar Software Inc. 16)DIANA-3D is a 3-D non-linear soil-structure finite element analysis developed in Holland for concrete and soil structures. www.diana.nl DIANA Analysis 17)ISLAB and DARWIN are the analysis and design software components for the finite element analysis of rigid pavements. www.eresnet.com ERES Consultants Inc. 18)FEMLAP is an open source code (in FORTRAN 95) for general non-linear finite element analysis, primarily oriented towards geotechnical problems. FEMLAP 19)ROBOT Millenium is a Windows based finite element software developed in France for buildings, bridges, towers, masts, cables, tanks and silos. ROBIN is the another good software from family. www.robot-structures.com Integrated Structural Software Inc. 20)LARSA is a Windows based finite element software for seismic structural analysis. www.LARSAUSA.com LARSA Inc. 21)SAGE CRISP is a finite element analysis software developed at Cambridge University for advanced geotechnical analysis (such as tunnels, large underground structures, etc.). www.crispconsortium.com SAGE Engineering Ltd. Can anybody add softwares in Prestressed Designing and Space frame/structure designing?I don't know much about it. Waiting for further discussion on adv/disadvantage of Staad,Etab,SAP etc. Regards Ajay S. Palwe ajay_structures@yahoo.co.in
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Dear sefiens, I learned ETABS recently. I took a live project which is generated in STAAD and showing the beams are satisfied.But some beams are failed in shear in ETABS. i tried to increase the grade of concrete also.but still it is showing fails. Pls suggest how to satisfy the beams in ETABS. It is generated as a single floor in ETABs. Where as the Y is 8.10 m level in STAAD ( 2 nd slab from bottom). I tried to release the beams in ETABS still they are not Joined: 08 Jul 2008 satisfied.Pls suggest how to resolve.
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SEFI Regulars Posted: Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:28 am Post subject:
Hello, I already compared design result given Etabs and staad. Results are exactly matching. At present i m not able to check ur file. But please check basic parameters defined in etabs model. For instance, material properties and design parameters. As well as check earthquake load properly, if defined. If possible please model simply supported RC beam and compare results, before going for one building; it will give u enough confidenece.
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Sir, In Staad Pro offset command is there to orient column to suit the plan. For example if Column is projecting outside wall, how to give command in ETABS. Is there any Set command is available. What are disadvantages in ETABS compared to Staad Pro in utilising the software. Example in ETABS, We cannot see the input file as in Staad Editor. Also We cannot get output report as in Staad Pro. Like that I want to Joined: 26 Jan 2011 know the limitations/ inconvenience in ETABS.
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Dear Er. Rajan, In ETABS, the clear size of columns and beams are automatically calculated based on the size of the members. In addition, you can use member offset Joined: 18 Apr 2008 specifications to indicate varying beam levels, column-grid offsets, etc. These will Posts: 348 automatically correct the clear sizes... This is one of the advantages of ETABS over STAAD... Some of the advantages are 1. Automatic clear size calculation as mentioned above 2. Ease in reading out member design results graphically. 3. Can revise design with changed parameters without rerunning analysis 4. Easy modelling of grids based input (creating, modifying and viewing results grid by grid or floor by floor is very convenient) 5. Automatic load combinations 6. Automatic breaking up of members at intersections with cross beams and columns. Some of the disadvantages are
1. Cannot edit input file directly 2. Cannot print and read input file as easily as STAAD (no manual available) 3. In large models, some loads,etc may be missed out - hard to check. 4. Analysis was slower and consumed more disk space (when I tried out a couple years ago, not sure now). 5. Shear design results used to be in terms of Asv/sv (not sure now in latest version how it is) Other sefians may post more such comparisons... Arun
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Dear All We are planning to purchase ETABS (Indian code). Can we have the merits and demerits of ETABS VS STAAD How can ETABS be better when we have STRUDS with us also. Can we have suggestions on how ETABS will be helpful to us. Thanking you
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Here are some points I believe will be useful. I have worked with STAAD extensively earlier, but now I work mostly with ETABS; and thats why I have given a list of advantages of ETABS in my view (please dont mistake me Im not trying to market it):* STAAD.Pro is the most widely used one in Asia * The text editor facility for the model input file makes STAAD.Pro the most versatile for model creation and modification (when I get fed up fumbling with the menus of ETABS, I work with the ASCII file of ETABS, but, it not being meant for user editing, is so very cumbersome to do but still I do).
* ETABS is the most advanced (from among what Ive seen). ETABS has facility for: - Construction sequence analysis. - Push-over analysis. (RISA 3D also has this facility) - Shear wall design thats practically very useful (STRAP also has this. Results from STAAD are confusing to me) - Live load reduction for upper floors (STAAD doesnt have this)
- Earth quake force can be applied in any angle (not just X and Y alone) - Modelling tapered concrete beams - Floor load for irregular panels, that is easy to do (STRAP too has this) - Design of columns with cross section of any arbitrary shape (including T, L, +. STRAP too has this) - Diaphram action (with earthquake loads and wind loads automatically applied on the diaphragm centre) - Automatic lumping of masses for earthquake (STAAD doesnt have this, STRAP and NISA/Civil has) - Choice of Eigen or Ritz vector for Response Spectrum analysis - Auto calculation of beam reinforcements based on moments at column face, rather than at column centreline; and column reinforcements based on moments at beam soffit, rather than at beam centreline - Rigid panel zone modifier * STAAD.Pro and ETABS has facility for design as per IS:13920 (ductile detailing). * STAAD.Pro and ETABS has additional software for foundation design (especially mat). They are STAAD.Foundation and SAFE respectively. * NISA/Civil gives wonderful structural drawings that can be opened in AutoCAD. * NISA, the general FEM package comes along with NISA/Civil. Around 10-12 years ago FEM Kit and STARDYNE used to be bundled with STAAD/Pro - Not anymore. * NISA/Civil has facility for isolated & combined footings thats convenient * STRAP has a Wood-Armor facility with graphics, which I have seen elsewhere only in Civil/FEM (which works as a plug-in to ANSYS) * SAP2000 has facilities for creep/shrinkage The list is not exhaustive, but a few points that just occurred to me. I would like others to contribute their points of view on these, as well as other software, like STRUDL, CADS, RISA 3D, Struds, SCADDS, etc. Regards, Rahul Leslie
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General Sponsor Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:15 am Post subject:
Dear Rahul sir, Nice to see your in depth knowledge on so many software..This is very rare that a individual is knowing so many softwares. I have used STAAD extensibly.
I have started to learn ETABS from the online tutorials of CSI Berkeley and youtube...I have some question for you.Can you kindly help me: 1) As we have editor mode in STAAD.Do we have this in ETABS also. 2) STAAD uses Matrix method of strucural analysis for members and FEA for plates.Which method ETABS uses. 3) 3D rendering facility in STAAD ..Is this available in ETABS also. 4) CSI Berkeley provides ETABS,SAP and SAFE..What is the difference in all three because all this software comes from one company. At the outset I could find that the graphical user interface of STAAD is better..i heard that technical background of ETABS is better Can I get your email ID as I am new to ETABS I face problem frequently. Regards, S.Adhikari
rahul.leslie wrote: Here are some points I believe will be useful. I have worked with STAAD extensively earlier, but now I work mostly with ETABS; and thats why I have given a list of advantages of ETABS in my view (please dont mistake me Im not trying to market it):* STAAD.Pro is the most widely used one in Asia * The text editor facility for the model input file makes STAAD.Pro the most versatile for model creation and modification (when I get fed up fumbling with the menus of ETABS, I work with the ASCII file of ETABS, but, it not being meant for user editing, is so very cumbersome to do but still I do). * ETABS is the most advanced (from among what Ive seen). ETABS has facility for: - Construction sequence analysis. - Push-over analysis. (RISA 3D also has this facility) - Shear wall design thats practically very useful (STRAP also has this. Results from STAAD are confusing to me) - Live load reduction for upper floors (STAAD doesnt have this) - Earth quake force can be applied in any angle (not just X and Y alone) - Modelling tapered concrete beams - Floor load for irregular panels, that is easy to do (STRAP too has this) - Design of columns with cross section of any arbitrary shape (including T, L, +. STRAP too has this)
- Diaphram action (with earthquake loads and wind loads automatically applied on the diaphragm centre) - Automatic lumping of masses for earthquake (STAAD doesnt have this, STRAP and NISA/Civil has) - Choice of Eigen or Ritz vector for Response Spectrum analysis - Auto calculation of beam reinforcements based on moments at column face, rather than at column centreline; and column reinforcements based on moments at beam soffit, rather than at beam centreline - Rigid panel zone modifier * STAAD.Pro and ETABS has facility for design as per IS:13920 (ductile detailing). * STAAD.Pro and ETABS has additional software for foundation design (especially mat). They are STAAD.Foundation and SAFE respectively. * NISA/Civil gives wonderful structural drawings that can be opened in AutoCAD. * NISA, the general FEM package comes along with NISA/Civil. Around 10-12 years ago FEM Kit and STARDYNE used to be bundled with STAAD/Pro - Not anymore. * NISA/Civil has facility for isolated & combined footings thats convenient * STRAP has a Wood-Armor facility with graphics, which I have seen elsewhere only in Civil/FEM (which works as a plug-in to ANSYS) * SAP2000 has facilities for creep/shrinkage The list is not exhaustive, but a few points that just occurred to me. I would like others to contribute their points of view on these, as well as other software, like STRUDL, CADS, RISA 3D, Struds, SCADDS, etc. Regards, Rahul Leslie Back to top sakumar79
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Dear Mr. Adhikari,

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1. ETABS has input saved in text format. It can be edited as a copy and opened as a new file. However, there is no documentation available to my knowledge for the formatting of it. Hence, it is much more tedious to work with input files in ETABS when compared to STAAD. While ETABS makes up for it with a much easier graphical interface, sometimes the lack of input file editing is a minus point. For example, for cross-checking of data, it is useful if we can take a printout of the input file and graphics of various level plans and various sections. This will not be possible in ETABS. 2. To the best of my knowledge, ETABS also uses Matrix method of strucural analysis for members and FEA for plates
3. 3D rendering is available in ETABS, it is actually more beautiful (IMHO)... Go to View menu and select Set Building View options. In first column bottom, check Extrusion and Object Fill... 4. ETABS is specifically designed for Building modelling. ETABS is short form for Extended Three-dimensional Analysis of Building Systems. SAP is a more generic modelling software. SAFE is for analysis, design and drafting of floors and foundations. Note that ETABS and SAP offer analysis and design only. Drafting the results from either can be achieved through SAFE. Arun
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Dear Mr Arun, Thanks for the information. I still want one more conformation of analysis method adopted by ETABS.. Regards, S.Adhikari
sakumar79 wrote: Dear Mr. Adhikari, 1. ETABS has input saved in text format. It can be edited as a copy and opened as a new file. However, there is no documentation available to my knowledge for the formatting of it. Hence, it is much more tedious to work with input files in ETABS when compared to STAAD. While ETABS makes up for it with a much easier graphical interface, sometimes the lack of input file editing is a minus point. For example, for cross-checking of data, it is useful if we can take a printout of the input file and graphics of various level plans and various sections. This will not be possible in ETABS. 2. To the best of my knowledge, ETABS also uses Matrix method of strucural analysis for members and FEA for plates 3. 3D rendering is available in ETABS, it is actually more beautiful (IMHO)... Go to View menu and select Set Building View options. In first column bottom, check Extrusion and Object Fill... 4. ETABS is specifically designed for Building modelling. ETABS is short form for Extended Three-dimensional Analysis of Building Systems. SAP is a more generic modelling software. SAFE is for analysis, design and drafting of floors and foundations. Note that ETABS and SAP offer analysis and design only. Drafting the results from either can be achieved through SAFE. Arun
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Dear sukanta sir,

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I will like to differ with your view that GUI of Staad pro is better than ETABS. I find GUI of SAP and ETABS far more user friendly than Staad pro. The grids provided in ETABs and SAP makes it easy to work with than the Staad pro. Unfortunately like in STAAD pro in ETABS and SAP you cant work with GUI and Text mode simultaneously. As far as i Know ETABs also uses the Stiffness matrix method. ETABS also have wonderful Virtual reality model generator. you can use the OpenGL view to do so. ETABS is the software which is specially used to analyze the building structure. u can also use the SAP but model generation and result interpretation are far more easier in Etabs.eg. SAP don't have storey response plots. SAFE is used for foundation design and slab design only. Another feature which make ETABS and SAP more attractive than STAAD is detailing of members. detailing of Rebars are far more easier in ETABS u can also export rebar area to excel for convinence. Only fault i see is ETABS cannot generate the Floor loads. you have to model slabs as plate element and mesh it and apply floor loads on it.Otherwise i think modelling and rebar detailing is far easier in ETABS. Another prime feature which ETABS and SAP has is modelling of Link elements. You can model isolators,Damper, GAp , hook plastic elements. You can also do multisupport excitation analysis on SAP using displacement timeshistory. I dont think direct integration time history analysis is supported in STAADpro which is essiential for nonlinear dynamic times history analysis (correct me if i am wrong). I am attaching the picture of finite element model done in SAP 2000. please note the non-prismatic element used in Tower and pier of the bridge and also the cable elements.
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Silver Sponsor Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:57 pm Post subject:
Dear engineers Arun,S.A, and Bipinsh, Thanks for inputting so much information on various software. I expected the same while I put the same questions in a different way under the sticky topic SEISMIC DESIGN?
I am adding some more in the above topic after a while? a sample notable difference is : The SAP2000 program has the ability to solve the multi-support, soilstructure interaction a facility which is not available in STAAD. T.RangaRajan.

Respected Rangarajan sir, Thanks for the information about SAP. Mr Bipinsh, Firstly thanks, I have just started learing ETABS after seeing the popularity of ETABS.Might be I am wrong about the GUI.Hope once I become conversant with the some GUI will become friendly for me.
I request as we have done so many posting under topic STAADPRO...I expect similar posting on ETABS and SAP from Rangarajan sir and others. Regards, S.Adhikari
thirumalaichettiar wrote: Dear engineers Arun,S.A, and Bipinsh, Thanks for inputting so much information on various software. I expected the same while I put the same questions in a different way under the sticky topic SEISMIC DESIGN? I am adding some more in the above topic after a while? a sample notable difference is : The SAP2000 program has the ability to solve the multi-support, soilstructure interaction a facility which is not available in STAAD. T.RangaRajan. Back to top
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DEAR ALL Thank you very much to all who have participated in this topic. We have one more question, how is ETABS in designing steel structures? What is the recommendation, that we should go in for both ETABS and SAFE as a package if we were to buy it? We expect to have your replies like earlier one! Thanking you and regards,

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Etab -Extended alalysis for buildings-is good for both R.C.C and Steel structures specially for buildings. Safe is good for analysis and design with detailed reinforcement for slabs-flat slab, beam and specially foundation designs of all types including raft with different bearing capacity or soil spring for a structure is very good. It is good to have them in a design office if the offer is an attractive one. T.RangaRajan.
Dear All We are planning to purchase ETABS (Indian code). Can we have the merits and demerits of ETABS VS STAAD How can ETABS be better when we have STRUDS with us also. Can we have suggestions on how ETABS will be helpful to us. Thanking you
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Here are some points I believe will be useful. I have worked with STAAD extensively earlier, but now I work mostly with ETABS; and thats why I have given a list of advantages of ETABS in my view (please dont mistake me Im not trying to market it):* STAAD.Pro is the most widely used one in Asia * The text editor facility for the model input file makes STAAD.Pro the most versatile for model creation and modification (when I get fed up fumbling with the menus of ETABS, I work with the ASCII file of ETABS, but, it not being meant for user editing, is so very cumbersome to do but still I do). * ETABS is the most advanced (from among what Ive seen). ETABS has facility for: - Construction sequence analysis. - Push-over analysis. (RISA 3D also has this facility) - Shear wall design thats practically very useful (STRAP also has this. Results from STAAD are confusing to me) - Live load reduction for upper floors (STAAD doesnt have this)
- Earth quake force can be applied in any angle (not just X and Y alone) - Modelling tapered concrete beams - Floor load for irregular panels, that is easy to do (STRAP too has this) - Design of columns with cross section of any arbitrary shape (including T, L, +. STRAP too has this) - Diaphram action (with earthquake loads and wind loads automatically applied on the diaphragm centre) - Automatic lumping of masses for earthquake (STAAD doesnt have this, STRAP and NISA/Civil has) - Choice of Eigen or Ritz vector for Response Spectrum analysis - Auto calculation of beam reinforcements based on moments at column face, rather than at column centreline; and column reinforcements based on moments at beam soffit, rather than at beam centreline - Rigid panel zone modifier * STAAD.Pro and ETABS has facility for design as per IS:13920 (ductile detailing). * STAAD.Pro and ETABS has additional software for foundation design (especially mat). They are STAAD.Foundation and SAFE respectively. * NISA/Civil gives wonderful structural drawings that can be opened in AutoCAD. * NISA, the general FEM package comes along with NISA/Civil. Around 10-12 years ago FEM Kit and STARDYNE used to be bundled with STAAD/Pro - Not anymore. * NISA/Civil has facility for isolated & combined footings thats convenient * STRAP has a Wood-Armor facility with graphics, which I have seen elsewhere only in Civil/FEM (which works as a plug-in to ANSYS) * SAP2000 has facilities for creep/shrinkage The list is not exhaustive, but a few points that just occurred to me. I would like others to contribute their points of view on these, as well as other software, like STRUDL, CADS, RISA 3D, Struds, SCADDS, etc. Regards, Rahul Leslie
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Dear Rahul sir, Nice to see your in depth knowledge on so many software..This is very rare that a individual is knowing so many softwares. I have used STAAD extensibly.
I have started to learn ETABS from the online tutorials of CSI Berkeley and youtube...I have some question for you.Can you kindly help me: 1) As we have editor mode in STAAD.Do we have this in ETABS also. 2) STAAD uses Matrix method of strucural analysis for members and FEA for plates.Which method ETABS uses. 3) 3D rendering facility in STAAD ..Is this available in ETABS also. 4) CSI Berkeley provides ETABS,SAP and SAFE..What is the difference in all three because all this software comes from one company. At the outset I could find that the graphical user interface of STAAD is better..i heard that technical background of ETABS is better Can I get your email ID as I am new to ETABS I face problem frequently. Regards, S.Adhikari
rahul.leslie wrote: Here are some points I believe will be useful. I have worked with STAAD extensively earlier, but now I work mostly with ETABS; and thats why I have given a list of advantages of ETABS in my view (please dont mistake me Im not trying to market it):* STAAD.Pro is the most widely used one in Asia * The text editor facility for the model input file makes STAAD.Pro the most versatile for model creation and modification (when I get fed up fumbling with the menus of ETABS, I work with the ASCII file of ETABS, but, it not being meant for user editing, is so very cumbersome to do but still I do). * ETABS is the most advanced (from among what Ive seen). ETABS has facility for: - Construction sequence analysis. - Push-over analysis. (RISA 3D also has this facility) - Shear wall design thats practically very useful (STRAP also has this. Results from STAAD are confusing to me) - Live load reduction for upper floors (STAAD doesnt have this) - Earth quake force can be applied in any angle (not just X and Y alone) - Modelling tapered concrete beams - Floor load for irregular panels, that is easy to do (STRAP too has this) - Design of columns with cross section of any arbitrary shape (including T, L, +. STRAP too has this)
- Diaphram action (with earthquake loads and wind loads automatically applied on the diaphragm centre) - Automatic lumping of masses for earthquake (STAAD doesnt have this, STRAP and NISA/Civil has) - Choice of Eigen or Ritz vector for Response Spectrum analysis - Auto calculation of beam reinforcements based on moments at column face, rather than at column centreline; and column reinforcements based on moments at beam soffit, rather than at beam centreline - Rigid panel zone modifier * STAAD.Pro and ETABS has facility for design as per IS:13920 (ductile detailing). * STAAD.Pro and ETABS has additional software for foundation design (especially mat). They are STAAD.Foundation and SAFE respectively. * NISA/Civil gives wonderful structural drawings that can be opened in AutoCAD. * NISA, the general FEM package comes along with NISA/Civil. Around 10-12 years ago FEM Kit and STARDYNE used to be bundled with STAAD/Pro - Not anymore. * NISA/Civil has facility for isolated & combined footings thats convenient * STRAP has a Wood-Armor facility with graphics, which I have seen elsewhere only in Civil/FEM (which works as a plug-in to ANSYS) * SAP2000 has facilities for creep/shrinkage The list is not exhaustive, but a few points that just occurred to me. I would like others to contribute their points of view on these, as well as other software, like STRUDL, CADS, RISA 3D, Struds, SCADDS, etc. Regards, Rahul Leslie Back to top sakumar79
Dear Mr. Adhikari,

1. ETABS has input saved in text format. It can be edited as a copy and opened as a new file. However, there is no documentation available to my knowledge for the formatting of it. Hence, it is much more tedious to work with input files in ETABS when compared to STAAD. While ETABS makes up for it with a much easier graphical interface, sometimes the lack of input file editing is a minus point. For example, for cross-checking of data, it is useful if we can take a printout of the input file and graphics of various level plans and various sections. This will not be possible in ETABS. 2. To the best of my knowledge, ETABS also uses Matrix method of strucural analysis for members and FEA for plates
3. 3D rendering is available in ETABS, it is actually more beautiful (IMHO)... Go to View menu and select Set Building View options. In first column bottom, check Extrusion and Object Fill... 4. ETABS is specifically designed for Building modelling. ETABS is short form for Extended Three-dimensional Analysis of Building Systems. SAP is a more generic modelling software. SAFE is for analysis, design and drafting of floors and foundations. Note that ETABS and SAP offer analysis and design only. Drafting the results from either can be achieved through SAFE. Arun
Dear Mr Arun, Thanks for the information. I still want one more conformation of analysis method adopted by ETABS.. Regards, S.Adhikari
sakumar79 wrote: Dear Mr. Adhikari, 1. ETABS has input saved in text format. It can be edited as a copy and opened as a new file. However, there is no documentation available to my knowledge for the formatting of it. Hence, it is much more tedious to work with input files in ETABS when compared to STAAD. While ETABS makes up for it with a much easier graphical interface, sometimes the lack of input file editing is a minus point. For example, for cross-checking of data, it is useful if we can take a printout of the input file and graphics of various level plans and various sections. This will not be possible in ETABS. 2. To the best of my knowledge, ETABS also uses Matrix method of strucural analysis for members and FEA for plates 3. 3D rendering is available in ETABS, it is actually more beautiful (IMHO)... Go to View menu and select Set Building View options. In first column bottom, check Extrusion and Object Fill... 4. ETABS is specifically designed for Building modelling. ETABS is short form for Extended Three-dimensional Analysis of Building Systems. SAP is a more generic modelling software. SAFE is for analysis, design and drafting of floors and foundations. Note that ETABS and SAP offer analysis and design only. Drafting the results from either can be achieved through SAFE. Arun
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I will like to differ with your view that GUI of Staad pro is better than ETABS. I find GUI of SAP and ETABS far more user friendly than Staad pro. The grids provided in ETABs and SAP makes it easy to work with than the Staad pro. Unfortunately like in STAAD pro in ETABS and SAP you cant work with GUI and Text mode simultaneously. As far as i Know ETABs also uses the Stiffness matrix method. ETABS also have wonderful Virtual reality model generator. you can use the OpenGL view to do so. ETABS is the software which is specially used to analyze the building structure. u can also use the SAP but model generation and result interpretation are far more easier in Etabs.eg. SAP don't have storey response plots. SAFE is used for foundation design and slab design only. Another feature which make ETABS and SAP more attractive than STAAD is detailing of members. detailing of Rebars are far more easier in ETABS u can also export rebar area to excel for convinence. Only fault i see is ETABS cannot generate the Floor loads. you have to model slabs as plate element and mesh it and apply floor loads on it.Otherwise i think modelling and rebar detailing is far easier in ETABS. Another prime feature which ETABS and SAP has is modelling of Link elements. You can model isolators,Damper, GAp , hook plastic elements. You can also do multisupport excitation analysis on SAP using displacement timeshistory. I dont think direct integration time history analysis is supported in STAADpro which is essiential for nonlinear dynamic times history analysis (correct me if i am wrong). I am attaching the picture of finite element model done in SAP 2000. please note the non-prismatic element used in Tower and pier of the bridge and also the cable elements.
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Silver Sponsor Posted: Tue Apr 26, 2011 3:57 pm Post subject:
Dear engineers Arun,S.A, and Bipinsh, Thanks for inputting so much information on various software. I expected the same while I put the same questions in a different way under the sticky topic SEISMIC DESIGN?
I am adding some more in the above topic after a while? a sample notable difference is : The SAP2000 program has the ability to solve the multi-support, soilstructure interaction a facility which is not available in STAAD. T.RangaRajan.

Respected Rangarajan sir, Thanks for the information about SAP. Mr Bipinsh, Firstly thanks, I have just started learing ETABS after seeing the popularity of ETABS.Might be I am wrong about the GUI.Hope once I become conversant with the some GUI will become friendly for me.
I request as we have done so many posting under topic STAADPRO...I expect similar posting on ETABS and SAP from Rangarajan sir and others. Regards, S.Adhikari
thirumalaichettiar wrote: Dear engineers Arun,S.A, and Bipinsh, Thanks for inputting so much information on various software. I expected the same while I put the same questions in a different way under the sticky topic SEISMIC DESIGN? I am adding some more in the above topic after a while? a sample notable difference is : The SAP2000 program has the ability to solve the multi-support, soilstructure interaction a facility which is not available in STAAD. T.RangaRajan. Back to top
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DEAR ALL Thank you very much to all who have participated in this topic. We have one more question, how is ETABS in designing steel structures? What is the recommendation, that we should go in for both ETABS and SAFE as a package if we were to buy it? We expect to have your replies like earlier one! Thanking you and regards,

Silver Sponsor Posted: Wed Apr 27, 2011 9:24 am Post subject:
Etab -Extended alalysis for buildings-is good for both R.C.C and Steel structures specially for buildings. Safe is good for analysis and design with detailed reinforcement for slabs-flat slab, beam and specially foundation designs of all types including raft with different bearing capacity or soil spring for a structure is very good. It is good to have them in a design office if the offer is an attractive one. T.RangaRajan.
ETABS is a 3D building analysis software, while StaadPro is a "General" structural analysis software. By definition, the ETABS sof to analyze 3D building structures. Lahat ng icons & commands intended for buildings. Staad is for the general stuffs from simple bea structure analysis. You could actually do a building analysis in Staad but its a little harder to model and analyze plus there's a lot of b specially in EQ analysis (for earlier version to 2008. Don't know if they've already fixed it on the latest version). There are numerous ETABS versus Staad in building analysis. 1.) Automesh - in etabs, floor loads would properly be distributed on your beams, and any beams/columns would automatically connect with your floor or wall if they are in the same plane. In Staad, you must manually conn beams/columns. Matrabaho. Minsan mauubos yung oras mo sa kakahanap kung anong node yung di naka-connect sa plate. Sometim you erroneous result especially for the newbies. 2.) Rigid Diaphragm - based on my experience before, this is the main reason why w EQ analysis. Unlike in Etabs where the EQ loads are applied on the center of mass, Staad distributes its loads on the columns which large discrepancy versus manual calculations. Katulad ng sabi ni Noel, you need to do a manual calculation of the EQ force torsiona ito if you are analyzing low rise building. Imagine if you are doing this for highrise building and constantly nagbabago yung building preliminary?Staad doesn't have rigid diaphragm. Staad is imitating rigidity by "slave node". In node slave, you are going to choose a the other nodes would copy the movement of the master node. Slaving couldn't properly imitate torsional movement of the structure.
Although mahina Staad sa buildings, paborito ko pa ring gamitin ang staad sa finite element analysis ng slabs, footings, tanks, etc. M structures like gables, trusses, small buildings because of its "Select Optimise" command. Cheers Ernesto
From: noel rguades <guadzdata@...> To: Filipino_Civil_Engineers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 19 July, 2011 5:02:13 PM Subject: Re: [Filipino_Civil_Engineers] Etabs Workshop Registration Form (Advance)
For concrete, I like Etabs more. For steel, I like to use Risa instead of Staad. In practice at present, I don't norm we usually manually analyze or distribute our lateral forces either considering flexible diaphragm or rigid with and design member section using our own spreadsheets. Regards, Noel
From: Raul Nejudne <rsn214@...> To: Filipino_Civil_Engineers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 12:03:53 PM Subject: Re: [Filipino_Civil_Engineers] Etabs Workshop Registration Form (Advance)
Hi Noel, I am using ETAB 9.07 version. Again, thanks for this demo file... How do you compare ETABS vs. STAAD? Which do you prefer to use in practice? Raul
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:30 AM, noel rguades <guadzdata@...> wrote: Hi Raul,
I don't know. Do we really need to check it? hehe, seems like we don't hear enough feedback from others. Attach is another tutorial file I'm trying to follow during my free time. It's a 13 story concrete shearwall bldg b Btw, what version of etabs are you using? I'm using the latest time limited demo version.
Regards, Noel
Structural engineering: The art of using materials that have properties which can only be estimated to build re can only be approximately analyzed to withstand forces that are not accurately known so that our responsibili safety is satisfied.
From: Raul Nejudne <rsn214@...> To: Filipino_Civil_Engineers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 19, 2011 7:01:36 AM Subject: Re: [Filipino_Civil_Engineers] Etabs Workshop Registration Form (Advance)
Hi Noel, You're right! It has the same effect.
By the way, how do you assess our progress? I mean as a cooperative learning endeavors among our group... :) Raul On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 5:57 PM, noel rguades <guadzdata@...> wrote: Hi Raul,
I'm not sure. I'm inclined to think it will give the same results since it is also acting on the same projected area. laterally distributed by the floor diaphragm towards the lateral resisting elements. If you have time and be able results, please let us know. Regards, Noel
From: Raul Nejudne <rsn214@...> To: Filipino_Civil_Engineers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 14, 2011 3:49:44 PM Subject: Re: [Filipino_Civil_Engineers] Etabs Workshop Registration Form (Advance)
Hi Noel,
I followed the exercise and found out that the wind load is uniformly distributed in all surfaces from the Base u Floor. In the given building configuration, however, we can find that Stories 1 to 7 and stories 8 to 10 are diffe wind load on the upper right side and lower right side should have been distributed on its respective surfaces. What do you think? Raul On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 11:28 AM, noel rguades <guadzdata@...> wrote:
Yeah, lets just take this in a slow phase and I know we all have other priorities as well. This helps me learn as motivates me to read further. Yeah, thanks for Ernesto for freely sharing his valuable knowledge and experienc hear from other as well so we will know what they are doing and what are their suggestions to improve this ex Regards, Noel
From: Raul Nejudne <rsn214@...> To: Filipino_Civil_Engineers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, July 14, 2011 7:59:23 AM Subject: Re: [Filipino_Civil_Engineers] Etabs Workshop Registration Form (Advance)
Hi Noel,
I guess there will be other observations that we can learn from as we start doing the exercises using the guide y are lucky that we have veteran designers that really dig in deeper into the design considerations of the program various codes needed to be used/checked.
Most of "us" maybe are just into using the program and sort of knowing to apply the various codes that would specific projects we are working on but "few" among us had explored into investigation on the "values used" o guide's/tutorial's assumption as to the provisions of the codes used.
Thanks to you and to Ernesto for the observations shared to the group. I believe further that indeed we can lear
this group exercise.
Meanwhile, we may proceed working on the modeling as per tutorial provided. Maybe we can start working w Lateral Force exercise? What do you think? Raul On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Raul Nejudne <rsn214@...> wrote: I agree...
On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:34 AM, efren abarado <eabarado@...> wrote:
Hi Noel, Raul, Ernesto, and others, thanks for taking this workshop a hot spot. I believe that we will learn some stuff besides of the program use. Efren
From: noel rguades <guadzdata@...> To: Filipino_Civil_Engineers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 11, 2011 11:15 PM Subject: Re: [Filipino_Civil_Engineers] Etabs Workshop Registration Form (Advance)
Hi Ernesto, Thanks for the info. It should be 1.7836++ not 1/1.4 as shown on the tutorial file, right? Considering g of 9.81 = 5.5. Regards, Noel
Structural engineering: The art of using materials that have properties which can only be estimated to build re can only be approximately analyzed to withstand forces that are not accurately known so that our responsibili safety is satisfied.
From: ERNESTO DE PERALTA <heero_stone@...> To: Filipino_Civil_Engineers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, July 12, 2011 10:08:50 AM Subject: Re: [Filipino_Civil_Engineers] Etabs Workshop Registration Form (Advance)
I had a quick look in the pdf files and found-out that there's something wrong (correct me) with the tutorial file from AIT (Modal Re Analysis). 1. For the scaling of the response spectra (page 18), it should be scaled by g/IR. Refer to the attached link https://wiki.csiberkeley.com/display/etabs/Response+spectrum+scaling 2. We usually use CQC for the modal combination and SRSS for the directional combination, not SRSS on both combination. Cheers Ernesto From: noel rguades <guadzdata@...> To: Filipino_Civil_Engineers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 12 July, 2011 1:25:38 PM Subject: Re: [Filipino_Civil_Engineers] Etabs Workshop Registration Form (Advance)
Hi Raul,
Yeah, I think that tutorial guides us to create a 10-story building with moment frames and shearwall in a step b also probably look at the files sent by Ernesto for some other information and apply it to this model as applicab
Attached is the continuation of the tutorial file. This time using Modal Response Spectral Analysis and Time H instead of Equivalent Frame Method for the Lateral Loads. Regards, Noel
From: Raul Nejudne <rsn214@...> To: Filipino_Civil_Engineers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, July 11, 2011 10:33:48 PM Subject: Re: [Filipino_Civil_Engineers] Etabs Workshop Registration Form (Advance)
Hi Noel,
I am thinking of redoing the model that you shared with the group. Let us try to model that and apply the neede take place in actual project. What I mean is: let us assume that the project is for real and we work on it and sha to consider and/or improve. This way, no one needs to exert extra effort in preparing something that would be will participate. Or maybe we can add later additional interior partition for further consideration. Just a suggestion so that we can already start the ball rolling... Raul
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Dear Sifians, I have some queries which I would like to discuss with you all, I analyzed one of the block of the structure using staad pro, in which Ifound one of the column with a huge moment , Beam no 38 as per staad model,I released the moment from secondary beams even though there was not much difference , Then I thought in practically the moment will not be so much considering the relative stiffness of the total structure which is composite to each other including the slab, which is in staad pro. But I cannot assume the values practically without provingit, then I thought off using ETABS which includes the stiffness of slabs,Then I compared both values i,e staad pro and ETABS values there was major differentin both results. I am attaching both Staad pro and Etabs file, please referboth the models . In staad model refer beam no 38 which is one of the column, Axial load = 3259kN and moment =3835kN-m. And now if you refer Etabs model , in which that column is refered as label C8. Axial load =4923kN and moment = 793kN-m From the above results we can observe that the values are differing too much.
Please check the models ts only one floor, I hope it wont take more than 15min from your precious time. Please correct me if Iamwrong in making the models and assigning the loads. If am correct , then why is this difference, I know using different softwares there might be minor difference but not major difference, and please tell me which values should I take for the design. Deeply hearted thanks to that person who will give the reply . A warm regards to all, and happy journey to the knowledge of structural Engineering which is never ending. ENGR Moazzam
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you can take into consideration the rigidity of slab in staad by providing IYY= 100 m^4 for all beams supporting the slab . Have you done that? If not, do that and run your staad again and compare. My STAAD license has expired so I cannot have a look at your file. _________________ Thank you, Kumar Abhishek Singh
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Thanks for giving a response, I have not considered the stiffness in staad pro, anyways i will do the model as per your suggestion, can you please tell me what about Etabs model is it right?
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By and large the output in Staad pro for the member forces is at the start and end nodes of the member but in Etabs the result is shown at the face of the support and at ULx and ULy. I will request you to see the output in Staad pro at the face of support and then compare and advise.
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Engr Suresh thanks for replying,

Mr. Suresh what you have replied is right, the moment what i have mentioned is the maximum moment at any axis, if you refer the staad out put results beam-38, My=498kN-m and Mz = 3834kN-m and if you refer ETABS label C8 m2=14kN-m and m3=793kN-m which is equal to My and Mz of staad pro respectively. So you can clearly observe a large variations.
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The type of difference that you have stated appears to be impossible between the two softwares. you have not loaded your etab file and so it is not possible to compare between the two models and loading. Your model is very simple. Why not you work out manually and compare as to which of the two is correct. One thing is very clear that there must be some problem with either of the two.
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Thanks engr Suresh, I will try it manually

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... Posted: Mon Apr 11, 2011 6:41 pm Post subject: difference in results
Sir, There should not be any difference in the results between the two different software as the analysis methodology i.e matrix methods or FEM analysis are same .You can also compare the results with other softwares namely RISA.(you can download free demo version of RISA in which you can model any number of beams and columns but you you can save only smaller structures. Er.Balaji venkateswaran
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Dear Engr Balaji,

Of course you are right, there should not be any difference in the results with both softwares, But I want to know why is this difference since I fallowed the exact procedure for modelling and assigning the loads, specially in moments, i observed staad pro values are always greater than other software values, can you please check the model its very simple, and just let me know whats the problem.
makes up for it with a much easier graphical interface, sometimes the lack of input file editing is aminus point. For example, for crosschecking of data, it is useful if we can take a printout of theinput file and graphics of various
level plans and various sections. This will not be possible inETABS.2. To the best of my knowledge, ETABS also uses Matrix method of strucural analysis for membersand FEA for plates3. 3D rendering is available in ETABS, it is actually more beautiful (IMHO)
... Go to View menu andselect Set Building View options. In first column bottom, check Extrusion and Object Fill...4. ETABS is specifically designed for Building modelling. ETABS is short form for Extended Threedimensional Analysis of Building Systems. SAP is a more generic
modelling software. SAFE is foranalysis, design and drafting of floors and foundations. Note that ETABS and SAP offer analysis anddesign only. Drafting the results from either can be achieved through SAFE.Arun Back to top
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General SponsorJoined: 26 Jan 2003Posts: 572Location: Ranchi,JharkhandPosted: 26 Apr 2011 09:47 Post subject:
Dear Mr Arun,Thanks for the information.I still want one more conformation of
analysis method adopted by ETABS..Regards,S.Adh ikari sakumar79 wrote: Dear Mr. Adhikari,1. ETABS has input saved in text format. It can be edited as a copy and opened as a newfile. However, there is no documentation available to my knowledge for the
formatting of it.Hence, it is much more tedious to work with input files in ETABS when compared to STAAD.While ETABS makes up for it with a much easier graphical interface, sometimes the lack of input file editing is a minus point. For example, for crosschecking of data, it is useful if wecan take a
printout of the input file and graphics of various level plans and varioussections. This will not be possible in ETABS.2. To the best of my knowledge, ETABS also uses Matrix method of strucural analysis formembers and FEA for plates3. 3D rendering is available in ETABS, it is actually more beautiful
(IMHO)... Go to Viewmenu and select Set Building View options. In first column bottom, check Extrusion andObject Fill...4. ETABS is specifically designed for Building modelling. ETABS is short form for ExtendedThreedimensional Analysis of Building Systems. SAP
is a more generic modelling software.SAFE is for analysis, design and drafting of floors and foundations. Note that ETABS andSAP offer analysis and design only. Drafting the results from either can be achievedthrough SAFE.Arun Back to top
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Dear sukanta sir,I will like to differ with your view that GUI of Staad pro is better than ETABS. I find GUI of SAP andETABS
far more user friendly than Staad pro. The grids provided in ETABs and SAP makes it easyto work with than the Staad pro.Unfortunately like in STAAD pro in ETABS and SAP you cant work with GUI and Text modesimultaneously. As far as i Know ETABs also uses the Stiffness
matrix method.ETABS also have wonderful Virtual reality model generator. you can use the OpenGL view to do so.ETABS is the software which is specially used to analyze the building structure. u can also use theSAP but model generation and result interpretation are far
more easier in Etabs.eg. SAP don't have
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storey response plots.SAFE is used for foundation design and slab design only.Another feature which make ETABS and SAP more attractive than STAAD is detailing of
members.detailing of Rebars are far more easier in ETABS u can also export rebar area to excel forconvinence.Only fault i see is ETABS cannot generate the Floor loads. you have to model slabs as plateelement and mesh it and apply
floor loads on it.Otherwise i think modelling and rebar detailing isfar easier in ETABS.Another prime feature which ETABS and SAP has is modelling of Link elements.You can model isolators,Damper, GAp , hook plastic elements.You can also
do multisupport excitation analysis on SAP using displacement timeshistory. I dontthink direct integration time history analysis is supported in STAADpro which is essiential fornonlinear dynamic times history analysis (correct me if
i am wrong).I am attaching the picture of finite element model done in SAP 2000.please note the non-prismatic element used in Tower and pier of the bridge and also the cableelements. Effects of vertical GM onCS bridge.tif Description:
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Dear engineers Arun,S.A, and Bipinsh,Thanks for inputting so much information on various software. I expected the same while I put
thesame questions in a different way under the sticky topic SEISMIC DESIGN?I am adding some more in the above topic after a while? a sample notable difference is : The SAP2000 program has the ability to solve the multi-support, soil-
structureinteraction a facility which is not available in STAAD. T.RangaRajan. Back to top

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Respected Rangarajan sir,Thanks for the information about SAP.Mr Bipinsh,Firstly thanks,I have just started learing ETABS after seeing the popularity of ETABS.Might be I am wrong aboutthe GUI.Hope once I
become conversant with the some GUI will become friendly for me.I request as we have done so many posting under topic STAADPRO...I expect similar posting onETABS and SAP from Rangarajan sir and others.Regards,S.Adhi kari
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thirumalaichettiar wrote: Dear engineers Arun,S.A, and Bipinsh,Thanks for inputting so much information on various software. I expected the same while Iput the same questions in a different way under the sticky topic SEISMIC DESIGN?I am adding
some more in the above topic after a while? a sample notable difference is : The SAP2000 program has the ability to solve the multi-support, soilstructureinteraction a facility which is not available in STAAD. T.RangaRajan. Back to top
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DEAR ALLThank you very much to all who have participated in this topic. We have
one more question, how isETABS in designing steel structures?What is the recommendation, that we should go in for both ETABS and SAFE as a package if wewere to buy it?We expect to have your replies like earlier one!Thanking you and regards, Back to top
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Etab -Extended alalysis for buildingsis good for both R.C.C and Steel structures specially
forbuildings.Safe is good for analysis and design with detailed reinforcement for slabs-flat slab, beam andspecially foundation designs of all types including raft with different bearing capacity or soil springfor a structure is very good.It is good to have them in a
design office if the offer is an attractive on
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Answer Hi Astrid, Thank you and a very happy New Year to you and your family as well! 1. For hollow core slabs, to simulate one-way loading on to beams, you should use "planks". 2. This depends on what you are trying to achieve. There are a lot of useful FAQ's in the following websites: http://dev.csiberkeley.com/faq_ETABS.html and: http://www.eng-tips.com/threadminder.cfm?pid=802 3. No, you will have to size up the beams to meet deflection criteria. 4. I would not expect the statics design in ETABS and STAAD to be much different. Please ensure that the default values for E (concrete) are the same as STAAD tends to have a lower default value. Also, results can vary if the degree of meshing is different between the two software. I hope that helps! Kind regards, Arshad.
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PRASHANT SATHE's Summary

I post-graduated from Earthquake Engineering Department, Indian Institute of Technology ( Roorkee, India) with academic degree M.Tech. in Structural Dynamic, as a Civil Engineer for designing and planning different Civil Structures. As a Junior Research Fellow at Earthquake Engineering Department, I met with greater challenging opportunities such as design, calculation, planning and analysis in different projects.During studies I worked in earthquake resistant design of buildings, dams, bridges etc., where I earned first engineering experience. After successful completion of my Civil Engineering studies and first steps in professional career, I acquired a position of Design Engineer in Consulting Engineering Service Pvt Ltd, New Delhi. As a Project Manager's assistant, my knowledge and expertize extended on project development and project management, preparation of tenders, pre-tender documentations, detailed design drawings and calculations, Scheduling and progress. I have acquired over two years of professional experience in Civil Engineering. Experience in Seismic Analysis, Dynamic Analysis of the structure and Earthquake Resistant Structural Design, Hydraulic structures, Response of Buildings, Dams, Power House structures, Preparation of Drawings in Hydro Power Projects. Well versed with Indian Standard Codes and various Earthquake Resistant Analysis and Design Softwares like ANSYS, Auto CAD, ETABS V9&SAFE, SAP, STAAD PRO and MS Office etc. Willing to contribute to a dynamic, forward thinking civil/structural engineering company, by utilizing interpersonal and collaborative communication skills, coupled with modern design methodologies and systems to resolve design issues and to deliver superior, high-performing projects for clients world-wide. Strengths: determination, attention to detail, persistence, hard work, focus, enthusiasm and urge to learn new things
Specialties SEISMIC STRUCTURAL DESIGNER OF POWER PLANTS
PRASHANT SATHE's Experience

Assistant Professor
MAEER's Maharashtra Institute of Technology (MIT), Pune
Educational Institution; 1001-5000 employees; Education Management industry
January 2012 Present (1 year 3 months) Pune
MAEER was the first step of the revolution in the education scenario of Maharashtra. Maharashtra, the third largest state in the country, with a rich heritage, known as the land of saints and also, the one which gave great leaders to the world had yet to progressed in the field of education. The education scene in the India of 1970s and 80s differed vastly from today in its essential character. Ambitious careers centered on very specific areas such as medicine, engineering, pharmacy etc. Moreover, there were very few Government managed engineering colleges which hardly sufficed the need of the aspiring youth keen to be future engineers. This realization embarked the journey of MAEER in 1983 with the establishment of Maharashtra Institute of Technology (MIT), one of the first private engineering college in Maharashtra which still remains the flagship institute of the group. With the sole objective of meeting the long felt need of a centre of scientific and educational research, which would meet the challenges of the present and the future technical advancements of the fast changing world, MIT Group of Institutions was established as a society and charitable trust. Since then, the MIT Group of Institutions have grown leaps and bounds and has made a strong impact in the field of education throughout the country. With more than 10 campuses in the state of Maharashtra covering almost 1000 acres of area, the MIT Group provides education in the fields of Engineering, Medicine, Pharmacy, Marine Engineering, Insurance, Distance Education, Telecom Management, Lighting, Design, Food & Technology, Retail Management, Masters in Business Administration, School of Government and also School Education. At any given point of time, more than 50000 students are pursuing various courses all over our 65+ institutes. With this statistics, the MIT Group is almost a big University by itself.
STRUCTURAL CIVIL DESIGN ENGINEER

Dar Al-Handasah Consultants (Shair & Partners) India Pvt Ltd
September 2011 December 2011 (4 months) PUNE
Dar Al-Handasah (Shair and Partners) has been a pioneering force in the planning, design and implementation of development projects in the Middle East, Africa and Asia since its beginnings in 1956. Today we are a global consultancy with 43 offices throughout 30 countries, known for our problem identification, tailor made-designs, quality, on-time deliverables and multi-disciplinary expertise.
STRUCTURAL SEISMIC DESIGN ENGINEER

Consulting Engineering Services (India) Private Limited (CES)
Privately Held; 1001-5000 employees; Civil Engineering industry
August 2010 August 2011 (1 year 1 month) New Delhi Area, India
Building a Golden Tomorrow... Life and times are ever changing. Adapting to the changing needs and demands is growth- the most important facet that keeps everything going. Since its inception in 1969, Consulting Engineering Services (India) Private Limited (CES), a dynamic international multidisciplinary organisation of designers and consultants, has acclimatized itself to the changing needs of the society. The vision is to synergise technological advancement with development and create sustainable growth to improve
lifestyles. The expertise required to achieve this goal is in place. CES commenced the exciting journey about four decades back and continues to work towards giving technology a human touch, both within and outside the organisation. Keeping in mind the fact that it is a company with an international face, CES emphasizes on building its human resources and creating a conducive environment for talent to grow and prosper. In order to provide top quality service to our clients CES has introduced ISO 9001:2008 system to monitor and controlled quality of deliverables. Information Technology is an integral part of company operations and how we deliver business and share information with clients, partners and internal stakeholders
PRASHANT SATHE's Publications
Symposium on Earthquake Engineering (14SEE) Scheduled on December 17-19, 2010 at IIT, Roorkee
Authors: PRASHANT SATHE
PRASHANT SATHE's Courses

B.Tech, CIVIL ENGINEERING

College of Engineering Pune BUILDING CONSTRUCTION, DRAWING & ESTIMATION (1) DESIGN OF STEEL STRUCTURES (1) FLUID MECHANICS (2) ENGINEERING GEOLOGY (1) DESIGN OF CONCRETE STRUCTURES (1) ENVIRONMENTAL ENGINEERING (2) HYDROLOGY, IRRIGATION ENGINEERING (2) SURVEYING & PHOTOGRAMMETRY (2) SOLID MECHANICS (1) SOIL MECHANICS & FOUNDATION ENGINEERING (2) STRUCTURAL ANALYSIS (2) TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING (1)
M.TECH, STRUCTURAL DYNAMICS

Indian Institute of Technology, Roorkee EARTHQUAKE RESISTANT DESIGN OF SPECIAL STRUCTURES (1) EARTHQUAKE RESISTANT DESIGN OF FOUNDATIONS (1) DESIGN OF MASONRY STRUCTURES (1) NUMERICAL METHODS FOR DYNAMIC SYSTEMS (1) EARTHQUAKE RESISTANT DESIGN OF BRIDGE AND CONCRETE DAMS (1) THEORY OF VIBRATION & ENGINEERING SEISMOLOGY (1) COMPUTER AIDED ANALYSIS & COMPUTER APPLICATIONS (1) FINITE ELEMENT METHOD FOR STATIC & DYNAMIC PROBLEMS (1)
PRASHANT SATHE's Languages

Marathi
(Full professional proficiency)
Hindi
English
PRASHANT SATHE's Skills & Expertise

1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. STAAD Seismic Design Structural Engineering ETABS ANSYS Dams SAP2000 Earthquake Engineering Structural Analysis
10. Steel Structures 11. Foundation Design 12. Structural Engineers 13. Geotechnical Engineering 14. Civil Engineering 15. Concrete
PRASHANT SATHE's Education

Indian Institute of Technology, Roorkee
M.TECH, STRUCTURAL DYNAMICS
2008 2010
www.iitr.ac.in Activities and Societies: PROJECTS 1.Indian Institute of Technology Roorkee : Estimation of Governing Stress in Structures Subjected to Ground Motion Using Transfer Function Approach (JUNE 2010) 2.Parametric Study of Cracking in a Concrete Gravity Dam
College of Engineering Pune

B.Tech, CIVIL ENGINEERING
2004 2008
www.coep.org.in College Of Engineering , Pune
Fiber Reinforced Polymer ( 2008 ) Study of Fiber Reinforced Polymer Properties and Design of Foot Over Bridge using FRP. College Of Engineering , Pune Design of G+3 R.C.C. Building ( 2007 ) Earthquake Resistant Design of R.C.C. Building. Activities and Societies: Additional Courses Taken: Participation in Workshop Titled Concrete Mix Design and Earthquake Resistant Design of RCC Buildings Held in Dept.of Applied Mechanics, College of Engineering ,Pune
ETABS is an engineering software product that caters to multi-story building analysis and design. Modeling tools and templates, code-based load prescriptions, analysis methods and solution techniques, all coordinate with the gridlike geometry unique to this class of structure. Basic or advanced systems under static or dynamic conditions may be evaluated using ETABS. For a sophisticated assessment of seismic performance, modal and direct-integration timehistory analyses may couple with P-Delta and Large Displacement effects. Nonlinear links and concentrated PMM or fiber hinges may capture material nonlinearity under monotonic or hysteretic behavior. Intuitive and integrated features make applications of any complexity practical to implement. Interoperability with a series of design and documentation platforms makes ETABS a coordinated and productive tool for designs which range from simple 2D frames to elaborate modern high-rises.
Modeling of Structural Systems

Fundamental to ETABS modeling is the generalization that multi-story buildings typically consist of identical or similar floor plans that repeat in the vertical direction. Modeling features that streamline analytical-model generation, and simulate advanced seismic systems, are listed as follows: Templates for global-system and local-element modeling Customized section geometry and constitutive behavior Grouping of frame and shell objects Link assignment for modeling isolators, dampers, and other advanced seismic systems Nonlinear hinge specification Automatic meshing with manual options Editing and assignment features for plan, elevation, and 3D views
Loading, Analysis, and Design

Once modeling is complete, ETABS automatically generates and assigns code-based loading conditions for gravity, seismic, wind, and thermal forces. Users may specify an unlimited number of load cases and combinations. Analysis capabilities then offer advanced nonlinear methods for characterization of static-pushover and dynamic response. Dynamic considerations may include modal, response-spectrum, or time-history analysis. P-delta effect account for geometric nonlinearity. Given enveloping specification, design features will automatically size elements and systems, design reinforcing schemes, and otherwise optimize the structure according to desired performance measures.
Output, Interoperability, and Versatility

Output and display formats are also practical and intuitive. Moment, shear, and axial force diagrams, presented in 2D and 3D views with corresponding data sets, may be organized into customizable reports. Also available are detailed section cuts depicting various local response measures. Global perspectives depicting static displaced configurations or video animations of time-history response are available as well. ETABS also features interoperability with related software products, providing for the import of architectural models from various technical drawing software, or export to various platforms and file formats. SAFE, the floor and foundation slab design software with post-tensioning (PT) capability, is one such option for export. CSI coordinated SAFE to be used in conjunction with ETABS such that engineers could more thoroughly detail, analyze, and design the individual levels of an ETABS model. While ETABS features a variety of sophisticated capabilities, the software is equally useful for designing basic systems. ETABS is the practical choice for all grid-like applications ranging from simple 2D frames to the most complex high rises.

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