Background of the debate:

A delhiite hindu girl was unhappy with some of the hindu practices.

Subsequently , she was led to Islam by her classmates.

A Pakistani muslim Farhan came into contact with her, later, and started explaining Islam to her. She
made up her mind to convert.

Meanwhile,her brother found out about it and contacted Sarvdeshik Arya Pratinidhi Sabha, New
Delhi. Shri Raj Singh Arya asked him to contact Pt Mahendra Pal Arya , who asked me to debate
farhan on the internet .

This debate started at 8.30 pm on yahoo and lasted till 1.30 am.

Nowadays the girl is learning about the Vedas and wants to follow Rishi Dayanand.

There are thousands like her in India. Don’t believe me? Goto Jamia Millia and chek!

Yahoo chat
THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM has joined the conference.

YOGESH kumar has joined the conference.

megamind15 has joined the conference.

YASHU: hmmmm

YASHU: shall we start

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): hello to all

YOGESH kumar: welcome everybody

megamind15: hi
THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): yes we can start

YASHU: welcoe dear friends

megamind15: a little introduction plz

YOGESH kumar: so

YASHU: sure

YASHU: ask

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): farhan ask wat u want to knw..

megamind15: i just need to know about

yashwant

YASHU: i would like to learn the truth

megamind15: hmm

megamind15: all of us want the same

megamind15: thats why we r here

YOGESH kumar: good

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): ok then start...

megamind15:

YOGESH kumar: yashwant ji please yoiu can

start by asking

YASHU: so what is allah ?

megamind15: ok

megamind15: according to Islam, Allah is our

GOD

megamind15: The Unique

YASHU: continue
megamind15: No one is like Him & nothing

resembles him

megamind15: He is the creator os everything

megamind15: He is formless & infinite

megamind15: The same oncept is given in

Vedas abut God

megamind15: The same ins christinantiy & the

same in Judiasm

YASHU: what is 'arsh'

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): sorry to itterupt ur chat

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): interrupt

YASHU: hmmm...

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): bt farhan doesnt understands pure

hindi words

YASHU: ok

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): can u tell this word in english

YASHU: arsh is an arabic word

megamind15: yes

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): ok

megamind15: i would have to give u its

dictionary meaning

megamind15: as i don't know arabic

YASHU: cool

megamind15: can i ask you, from where you

got this word, i mean, i need to know that

what exactly do u want to know, a little

summary

YASHU: i just want to know the meaning of

this word as it appears in quran and is

related to allah

megamind15:

http://www.google.com.pk/search?q=define%3AT

hrone&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla

:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

megamind15: you can search the distionary

meaning of throne

YASHU: let us take the first meaning

YASHU: the chair of state for a monarch,

bishop, etc.; "the king sat on his throne"

megamind15: ok

megamind15: ok
YASHU: now allah sits on this throne .

YASHU: right ?

megamind15: reference of ur statement plz

YASHU: ok

YASHU: i will give u the reference

megamind15: ok

megamind15: yashwant, i would like to ask

you some questions

YOGESH kumar: he must be busy to find

reference

megamind15: ok

megamind15: i would like to dicuss sum basic

rules of our discussion

megamind15: i would like to know that how

much both of you now about Islam

YOGESH kumar: hang on

megamind15: sure

megamind15: so can i talk to u Sir kumar? as

he is mr.yashwant is busy

YOGESH kumar: go ahead

megamind15: last time we had to leave early

YOGESH kumar: hm
megamind15: i couldn't get complete knowldge

about, from where you got basics of ISlam

megamind15: & its philosophy

YOGESH kumar: please share

megamind15: no

megamind15: i want to ask you that uptill

now, how much u know

megamind15: basic points

YOGESH kumar: what can i say

megamind15: & how u see Islam

megamind15: the big picture of Islam that is

in ur ind

megamind15: *mind

YOGESH kumar: thats what i am trying to get

YOGESH kumar: through you

megamind15: but you told me that one guy

told you about islam

YOGESH kumar: yes

YOGESH kumar: but that might be wrong

megamind15: yes, that might be, not for sure

YOGESH kumar: as you said 90% people have

wrong idea
YOGESH kumar: so i want from you

YOGESH kumar: in the right way

YASHU:

megamind15: he can be from rest of 10%

megamind15: assuming that

megamind15: i need to ask you

YOGESH kumar: who he

megamind15: from whom, you learned about

Islam

YOGESH kumar: he is also trying to get your

understanding

megamind15: but can i know ur personal view

about ISlam ?

YOGESH kumar: that would be wrong

YOGESH kumar: i want your

megamind15: yes, That CAN BE,,but not for

sure

YOGESH kumar: thats ok

YOGESH kumar: its just info sharing session

YOGESH kumar: not to win or loose

megamind15: yea

megamind15: we all know that

YOGESH kumar: good

YOGESH kumar: yes

megamind15: so can i know ur own view about

Islam

YOGESH kumar: well

YOGESH kumar: i got to know five pillers of

islam

YOGESH kumar: is it right

megamind15: plz go on

YOGESH kumar: pls answer

megamind15: no no

megamind15: i just want to know your views

YOGESH kumar: yeah

megamind15: not abour deciding ryt or wrong

megamind15: we will talk about it for sure

YASHU: ok

YOGESH kumar: yes mehta ji

YASHU: quran 11:7 And He it is who has

created the heavens and the earth in six

aeons; and [ever since He has willed to

create life,] the throne of His almightiness

has rested upon water.

YASHU: so the throne of the almghty allah

rests on water

megamind15: ok

megamind15: i will answer it

YASHU: continue

megamind15: but first, i think i should end

conversation with Sir kumar

YOGESH kumar: thats ok

YASHU: cool

YOGESH kumar: we can talk later farhan

YOGESH kumar: pls answer mr mehta

megamind15: ok, sure

megamind15: first, i would like to clear sum

basic points here

megamind15: To interpret meanig of Quran

megamind15: you need to know about how Quran

is organized

megamind15: & sum facts about it

megamind15: its not like every other book,

that has stories or rule defined in it

megamind15: Quran has its way of

understanding
megamind15: & that is with the help of

Hadith & quran itself

megamind15: When quran was revealed, there

was a role model, who was taught to live

life according to Quran

megamind15: & the way he lived his life, &

those accounts, are cvalled hadith

megamind15: so Quran & hadith are the base

or root of Quran

megamind15: *of Islam

YASHU: whatever u say

YASHU: shall we continue

megamind15: so

megamind15: to interpret quran you need to

know its context

megamind15: that when specific surah was

revealed

megamind15: so without knowing the context

of surah & ayah, we can't know its meaning

at all
YASHU: continue

megamind15: it can have 100 meaings, if we

pick an ayah & start getting it meanig by

our own way

megamind15: as u picked up the meaning of

Throne as SEAT

megamind15: but it has different meanigs in

Arabic too

megamind15: not just a seat

YASHU: u are free to choose the correct

meaning

megamind15: ok

megamind15: arabic meaning of Throne is also

kingdom

YASHU: hmm....

YASHU: kingdom rested on water

megamind15: so, go on

megamind15: just a min

megamind15: its meaning can be got from

hadith

megamind15: at the time,

megamind15: when Allah created everything

megamind15: his Throne rested on water

YASHU: ok

YASHU: so the throne rested in the ocean on

earth . right ?

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): no

YASHU: hmmm...

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): ok

megamind15: no

YASHU: so what is the correct interpretation

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): u both carry on

YASHU: cool

megamind15: i told you the correct

interpretation

megamind15: i told u

YASHU: where was the water ?

megamind15: it was before creation of earth

YASHU: hmmm...

megamind15: there might have been water

there at that time

YASHU: so water was created before the

creation of earth !

YASHU: there might have been water: are you

sure ?

megamind15: u cannot decide & conclude

anything, from one single verse

YASHU: give me the correct conclusion

YASHU: use all the verses

YASHU: and explain this sentence of 'allah'

megamind15: it meaning are only, what it has

told us

megamind15: we don;t have to conclude

further

YASHU: it tells us that the throne rests on

water

megamind15: its ,,what Allah told us, a

fact, that what was there at that time

megamind15: let me clear one more point

megamind15: that i am not a scholar

megamind15: i don't know its deep details,

these details , you can get from any Islamic

schoalr
megamind15: what i wanted to know , abut my

faith

megamind15: i already have got it very clear

megamind15: thats why i am a musim

YASHU: shall i continue ?

megamind15: sure

YASHU: now about the throne

megamind15: i told u my meaning

YASHU: all thrones have a fixed volume

megamind15: thats all what i know about this

ayah

megamind15: u can assume

megamind15: it can be assumed

YASHU: i am not assuming anything

YASHU: this is a fact

megamind15: ok

megamind15: what meaning did u picked for

making this statement? that all thrones have

fixed volume

YASHU: so allah is sitting on a finite

volume/weight throne

YASHU: can a throne be without volume ??

YASHU: or weight ???

megamind15: hmm

megamind15: this ayah, has simply, what it

says

megamind15: i got its meaning, as it is

YASHU: yes

megamind15: but, if you want to go to deep

details about it, then u can consult any

Islamic scholar

YASHU: does this ayat say that the throne

does not have volume or weight ??

YASHU: or any other ayat ??

YASHU: in the quran ???

megamind15: i m not sure about it

megamind15: that whether it has finite or

infinite volume

megamind15: just a min

megamind15: i want to ask you onething, what

exactly do u want to prove?

YASHU: i am a seeker of truth

YASHU: let us travel on this road

YASHU: together
YASHU: truth is to be found

YASHU: i am a seeker

megamind15: but , if i tell u the proper

way? than??

YASHU: we r discussing ur proper way , is it

not ??

YASHU: shall we continue ??

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): sorry farhan jst signed in

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): so he was idconnected from

conference

YASHU: cool

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): so pls join the new window

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megamind15: sorry for interruption guys

megamind15: so yashwant
megamind15: i had to tell u that to know the

truth

megamind15: as i m the representative of

Islam here

megamind15: i want to tell u that this is

not the proper way to know about Islam

megamind15: that way, u can make 1000 of

meanings of any verse u pick

megamind15: & nothing can be concluded by

this way

YASHU: hmmm...

megamind15: to know the truth

megamind15: the question is that why we want

to know the truth

megamind15: bcoz we want to know why we are

created, who are we, who created us, how he

created us

megamind15: these are the questions which we

need to know first

megamind15: Quran gives those answers very

beautifully

megamind15: i got all these answers from

Quran

YASHU: excellent

megamind15: u can ask ur question here, like

the one i mentioned above

YASHU: so let us start with =' who are we'

megamind15: ok

YASHU: so what is the contention of islam

regarding the above Q ?

megamind15: just a min, let me give u

references from quran

megamind15: u want to know my Islamic

perpective that i know, or reference from

Quran

YASHU: as u wish. my dear

megamind15: ok

megamind15: Islam says that we are the most

special creatures in this universe

megamind15: better tan any other creature

created

YASHU: i agree

megamind15: And it is He Who created human

beings from water and then gave them

relations by blood and marriage. Your Lord

is All-Powerful. (Qur'an, 25:54)

YASHU: Your Lord is All-Powerful

YASHU: what do we understand by all-powerful

megamind15: yes

megamind15: the most powerful

megamind15: no one is more powerfull than He

is

YASHU: can he complete his work without

help?

YASHU: from others?

megamind15: He is not dependant upon anyone

megamind15: He don't need anyone

megamind15: to do anything

YASHU: excellent
megamind15: [056:059] Is it you who create

it (i.e. make this semen into a perfect

human being), or are We the Creator?

YASHU: 069.017

YUSUFALI: And the angels will be on its

sides, and eight will, that Day, bear the

Throne of thy Lord above them.

PICKTHAL: And the angels will be on the

sides thereof, and eight will uphold the

Throne of thy Lord that day, above them.

YASHU: here we see that 8 anges are lifting

the throne of allah

megamind15: yes

YASHU: allah cannot keep the throne upright

and sit on it without the help of these

angels

megamind15: you have again come to the same

point again

megamind15: i think we were discussing about

who awe are

megamind15: first, its better to decide,

what we have to discuss, & what not to

YASHU: can he sit on a throne without the

help of the angels ?

YASHU: hmmmm...

YASHU: ok

megamind15: hmm

YASHU: let us do it ur way

YASHU: so give more on who r we from the

quran

megamind15: [036:036] Glorified is He Who

has created all the pairs of that which the

earth produces, as well as of their own

(human) kind (male and female), and of that

which they know not.

megamind15: [071:014] While He has created

you in (different) stages [i.e. first

Nutfah, then 'Alaqah and then Mudghah, see

(V.23:13,14)].

megamind15: the process of our creation is

described in Quran ,which was not known,

1400 years ago

YASHU: ahhh

YASHU: so the process of creation was not to

the arabs

YASHU: now observe the vedas

YASHU: rigveda A0 8 A0 7 V0 17

YASHU: nasadaseenno sadaseet ........

megamind15: Sir

YASHU: when this world which we can see

megamind15: i would like to ask you one

favor

YASHU: sure

megamind15: i will not start reading vedas,

until i get proper way of reading & getting

its meaning

megamind15: & i would ike to know about its

organization
megamind15: & its basic facts

YASHU: google arya samaj

YASHU: ok

YASHU: carry on

megamind15: then i will start to get ideas

from Vedas

megamind15: bcoz i can get wrong meaning of

vedas

megamind15: but as u r representative of

Vedas, can u plz help me with it?

megamind15: i want to read Vedas myself

megamind15: i treid, but couldnot find

proper way

megamind15: specailly, i want to know, how

to interpret its meaning

YASHU: the way is similiar to the way of

reaching the quran

megamind15: bcoz that the most imporant

thing

YASHU: first u have to learn the arabic lang

YASHU: here u have to learn the sanskrit

lang

megamind15: its not compulsary to learn

arabic to understand Quran

YASHU: for quran u learn the arabic grammer

megamind15: anyone can Read Quran, in his

own language

megamind15: as i told u, its not compulsary

for understanding Quran

YASHU: unless u do that u will never be sure

of the finer meanings of the quran!

YASHU: that is why ; in the course of our

discussion u referred me to the alims to

delve deeper in to the quranic instruction

megamind15: Even if u read arabic

megamind15: If i *

megamind15: then still, i will not be able

to answer that question

megamind15: bcoz Arabic is just a language

megamind15: not used to explain deep meanigs

of ayas

YASHU: i know
YASHU: u r talking of roohaniyat

YASHU: but that comes later

megamind15: hmm

megamind15: what do u know about this word

YASHU: for that we should learn what the

quran speaks about the 'rooh'

YASHU: u can help us now!

megamind15: ok

megamind15: [038:072] So, when I have

fashioned him and breathed into him (his)

soul created by Me, then you fall down

prostrate to him."

megamind15: [006:061] He is the Irresistible

(Supreme) over His slaves, and He sends

guardians (angels guarding and writing all

of one's good and bad deeds) over you, until

when death approaches one of you, Our

messengers (angel of death and his

assistants) take his soul, and they never

neglect their duty.

megamind15: Narrated 'Abdullâh radhi-yAllâhu 'anhu]: Allâh's Messenger , the true

and truly inspired, said: "(As regards your creation) every one of you is collected
in the womb of his mother for the first forty days, and then he becomes a clot for
another forty days, and then a piece of flesh for another forty days. Then Allâh
sends an angel to write four words: He writes his deeds, time of his death, means
of his livelihood, and whether he will be wretched or blessed (in the Hereafter).
Then the soul is breathed into his body. So a man may do deeds characteristic of
the people of the (Hell) Fire, so much so that there is only the distance of a cubit
between him and it, and then what has been written (by the angel) surpasses;
and so he starts doing deeds characteristic of the people of Paradise and enters

Paradise. Similarly, a Sahih Al Bukhari, 4/3332

megamind15: [015:029] "So, when I have fashioned him completely and breathed into him (Adam) the
soul which I created for him, then fall (you) down prostrating yourselves to him."

[Q[22:5] O people, if you have any doubt about resurrection,

(remember that) we created you from dust, and subsequently from a
tiny drop, which turns into a hanging (embryo), then it becomes a fetus
that is given life or deemed lifeless. We thus clarify things for you. We
settle in the wombs whatever we will for a predetermined period.* We
then bring you out as infants, then you reach maturity. While some of
you die young, others live to the worst age, only to find out that no
more knowledge can be attained beyond a certain limit. Also, you look
at a land that is dead, then as soon as we shower it with water, it
vibrates with life and grows all kinds of beautiful plants.]
megamind15: did u got basic idea from it?

YASHU: hmmm...

YASHU: the quran uses the word 'soul'. what

is the definition/meaning of the word 'soul'

in the quran

megamind15: At death, the person's soul

transitions to an eternal afterlife of

bliss, peace and unending spiritual growth

until the day of judgement where both the

body and soul are reunited for judgement at

which point the person is either rewarded by

going to heaven if they have followed God's

commands or punished if they have disobeyed

him (Qur'an 66:8, 39:20).

megamind15: hmm

YASHU: i think u did not understand my Q.

Didthe arabs know about the soul ,already ?

megamind15: i have no idea ,what they knew

or not

megamind15: about arabs

YASHU: ok

YASHU: does the quran define the word 'soul'

before using it ?

megamind15: i myself got the idea from

different sources, but not exactly from

Quran

megamind15: i will find it & then i will

tell u if there is definition of soul in it

or not

megamind15: or in hadith

YASHU: it is important for us to know the

meaning .

megamind15: definitely yes

YASHU: then we can compare the concepts of

soul in different religions

megamind15: i have its meaning, but don't

know whether it is present in Quran or

hadith
megamind15: ok, we can

YASHU: no problem

YASHU: tell me

YASHU: u can give the reference later

megamind15: ok, i will give u

megamind15: u may continnue

YASHU: u see

YASHU: many questions come to the mind

megamind15: sorry?

megamind15: yea

YASHU: what is the size of the soul ?

megamind15: yes

megamind15: it comes

YASHU: what is its composition ?

megamind15: but question arises, whether we

have to know it or not

megamind15: we have to prioratize

YASHU: what r its properties ?

YASHU: sure

megamind15: what we must know & what we

should not

megamind15: we should not expect everything

from a relgious book

YASHU: for example

megamind15: bcoz if i say that specific

relgiious book defines everything,, this

statement is totally wrong

YASHU: what is the property of 'soul'

megamind15: hmm

YASHU: like movement is the property of

'soul'

YASHU: do u agree

YASHU: i mean one of the properties of soul

megamind15: yes

megamind15: but all religons in this

unverse, they do agree on one point , that

soul is not physcial

YASHU: so the child in the womb moves

megamind15: yes

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megamind15: after the soul is brethened into

him

YASHU: another property of the soul is that

the soul grows

YASHU: do u agree?

YOGESH kumar: sir doosri conference join

karni

megamind15: how can i say anything about it

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YASHU: r we here

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): ok sorry my fault

megamind15: yes

YASHU: so

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): i closed the wrong window

YOGESH kumar: yes

megamind15: how can i link physical

properties to a soul

megamind15: do u agree that soul is not

dependent upon matter?

YASHU: yes

YASHU: no

megamind15: so how can we link physical

movements, measuremnts with

YASHU: soul depends on matter when it is in

the body

YASHU: we need food

megamind15: as no one can ever touch, or

feel or calculate anything from it

megamind15: they can depend

YASHU: don't we

YASHU:

megamind15: but can;t have physical

properties like size height

megamind15: we depend upon soul

YASHU: does the quran say that the soul does

not have physical properties ?

megamind15: i have to find that answer

megamind15: i m not sure about it

megamind15: as i told u already

YASHU: cool
YASHU: Narrated 'Abdullâh [radhi-yAllâhu

'anhu]: Allâh's Messenger , the true and

truly inspired, said: "(As regards your

creation) every one of you is collected in

the womb of his mother for the first forty

days, and then he becomes a clot for another

forty days, and then a piece of flesh for

another forty days. Then Allâh sends an

angel to write four words: He writes his

deeds, time of his death, means of his

livelihood, and whether he will be wretched

or blessed (in the Hereafter). Then the soul

is breathed into his body. So a man may do

deeds characteristic of the people of the

(Hell) Fire, so much so that there is only

the distance of a cubit between him and it,

and then what has been written (by the

angel) surpasses; and so he starts doing

deeds characteristic of the people of

Paradise and

megamind15: that i have to find definition

of soul from quran

megamind15: ok

YASHU: here the messenger says that the soul

is breathed into the body on the 81st day

YASHU: right ?

megamind15: yes

megamind15: yes

YASHU: but as u said

YASHU: but can;t have physical properties

like size height

YASHU: we depend upon soul

YASHU: growth of this body depends on soul

YASHU: if the soul is taken away

YASHU: then the body decays

YASHU: now

YASHU: when the sperm and ova mix

YASHU: we get a zygote

megamind15: hmm

megamind15: hmm

YASHU: which starts growing immediately

YASHU: so in my opinion

megamind15: hmm

YASHU: the soul enters

YASHU: the zygote immediately

YASHU: what is ur opinion

YASHU: ??

megamind15:

http://www.islamicmedicine.org/embryoengtext

.htm

megamind15: my opinion is based on

scientific fatcs, which are given in Quran,

about creation of human being

YASHU: this site is vry large

megamind15: & i have verified them from many

doctors

YASHU: please give the answer to my Q from

it

megamind15: as we have to find the truth, it

will take time

megamind15: we can't just rely on single

line answers

megamind15: u can read it when u find time

YASHU: my query is simple

megamind15: i don't agree with it

megamind15: that soul enters, when zygot is

made

megamind15: the baby gets life at 81st day

YASHU: ohh

YASHU: i am sorry

YASHU: it should be the 121st day

megamind15: "The Developing Human:

Clinically oriented Embryology," third

edition, by Dr. Keith L. Moore.

megamind15: u can read this book

YASHU: womb of his mother for the first

forty days, and then he becomes a clot for

another forty days, and then a piece of

flesh for another forty days.

YASHU: yes
YASHU: that is correct

YASHU: 121st day

YASHU: so

megamind15: i didn't ever calculated exact

number of days before

megamind15: as i didn't find any need for it

megamind15: to go on such details level

YASHU: according to the quran the

development of the baby for 120 days is due

to some other entity

YASHU: and not the soul of te baby

YASHU: so the next question will be

YASHU: whether quran allows souls in 'one'

body

YASHU: one after the other ??

megamind15: no

megamind15: the process in quran is a 4 step

process

megamind15: the life of human after

conception, in the womb

YASHU: continue

megamind15: then 2nd step is when he is born

megamind15: when he dies, the 3rd step

starts, which is after his death

megamind15: his soul is taken away to a

heavenly place

YASHU: my dear

megamind15: then 4th step is, when he will

again be risen, with his soul & body,,united

YASHU: the child's body is complete in 3

months

YASHU: and the mother can feel movements

thereafter

megamind15: hmm

YASHU: how can i believe that the soul

enters after 120 days ?

YASHU: ask ur mother

YASHU: when did u start mving in her womb

YASHU: that will give u ur answer

megamind15: hmm

megamind15: ok

megamind15: so at which point u disagree?

megamind15: plz explain me in one line

YASHU: do u think hat the quran deserves one

liners

YASHU: i thought it deserves a lot of

attention

megamind15: no no

megamind15: i just need to know ur point

megamind15: where u disagree

megamind15: not about Quran

megamind15: just ur dis-agreement

YASHU: i am giving it so much respect that i

am trying to find the truth in it by diving

deeeeep

YASHU: the soul enters the zygote when it is

formed

YASHU: and therefore it grows

megamind15: hmm

YASHU: ok

megamind15: this is ur dis-agreement?

YASHU: yes

megamind15: thats soul enters just after

zygots is formed?

megamind15: ok
YASHU: shall we go to other points

megamind15: did u read the complete site

that i gave u?

megamind15: nothing is conlcuded yet about

this point

YASHU: have u read it ?

megamind15: i am

YASHU: so give

megamind15: give what?

YASHU: conclusive evidence against my

contention

YASHU: from this site

megamind15: ok

YASHU: if u want time to study

YASHU: take one week

megamind15: “Verily We created man from a

drop of a mingled fluid-drop (nutfa amshaj),

in order to try him: so We gave him (the

gifts), of hearing and sight.” (76:2).

megamind15: this is the first part of

process
YASHU: ok

megamind15: a single point needs a lot of

research

YASHU: take a week

YASHU: shall we go to other points

megamind15: but

megamind15: as i told u

megamind15: i m not sholar & logician

megamind15: i m simple human bing like u

megamind15: i don't have ability to prove

things ryt or wrong

megamind15: i m here to tell u the basics of

my belief

YASHU: no problem

megamind15: that why i am a muslim

megamind15: & u r asking me about deep

details of each verse

megamind15: for that

megamind15: u can contact dr.Zakir nayik, if

u really want to know the truth

megamind15: or any other scholar

megamind15: my knowledge & research is

limited

megamind15: i can only tell u why i believe

in Islam, & about its teachings

megamind15: i am follwing

YASHU:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/8142696/Official-C

hallenge-to-Dr-Zakir-Naik-by-Sarvdeshik-Arya

-Pratinidhi-Sabha-

megamind15: so what do u say?

megamind15:

megamind15: see

megamind15: in islam

YASHU: this is a challenge issued to dr

zakir naik

megamind15: ok, leave it

megamind15: according to my own opinion

YASHU: by the sarvadeshik arya pratinidhi

sabha

megamind15: I don't belive in challenges

megamind15: bcoz, when u challenge sumone

megamind15: ur personal Ego comes into being

megamind15: Religon is not about challenegs

& proveing one ryt or wrong

megamind15: religion is ur own choice

YASHU: please ask dr zakir naik to discuss

the truth with the arya samaj

megamind15: if u have faith in it, then be

it

megamind15: U will have to answer to God

megamind15: why should i

YASHU: ok

megamind15: i don;t have any problemwith

what i believe

YASHU: shall we move further

megamind15: u want to know the truth

megamind15: sure

YASHU: He writes his deeds, time of his

death, means of his livelihood, and whether

he will be wretched or blessed (in the

Hereafter). Then the soul is breathed into

his body. So a man may do deeds

characteristic of the people of the (Hell)

Fire, so much so that there is only the

distance of a cubit between him and it, and

then what has been written (by the angel)

surpasses; and so he starts doing deeds

characteristic of the people of Paradise and

enters Paradise.

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): no farhan u have to give answers

at least for me according to what quran

holds and what this science hold..

megamind15: i believe in it

YASHU: allah sends an angel to write deeds

megamind15: i want to give asnwer & i can

megamind15: but to a certain level

megamind15: not in so mcuh dreat detail

megamind15: bcoz answers r very simple to

know

megamind15: atleast for me they r open &

clear
megamind15: but if i can't convey them in

great detail, then i can't do anything

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): hw come

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): mr yashwant is simply asking u to

tell the exam time when soul is put in the

body and as far as i knw i have read some

surah related to it

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): so y u not telling him???

megamind15: i told him that i need to get

the details

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): exact*

megamind15: it was decided that after one

week, we will have talk about it

megamind15: i didn't denied to give him the

answer

YASHU: no problem

YASHU: THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM ji

megamind15: i will for sure

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): wat time

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): jst chk out nw...

YASHU: let us move on

megamind15: anytime, he wants

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): it will take few mints only

YASHU: same day of the week

YASHU: same time

megamind15: how

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): ok

YOGESH kumar: ok

YASHU: He writes his deeds, time of his

death, means of his livelihood, and whether

he will be wretched or blessed (in the

Hereafter). Then the soul is breathed into

his body. So a man may do deeds

characteristic of the people of the (Hell)

Fire, so much so that there is only the

distance of a cubit between him and it, and

then what has been written (by the angel)

surpasses; and so he starts doing deeds

characteristic of the people of Paradise and

enters Paradise.
YASHU: now

YOGESH kumar: i feel everybody is ready to

join next time

YOGESH kumar: ok if you want to continue

YASHU: i have one more query

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :):

megamind15: ok

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): u again gave the same verses

which we'll talk about it next week

YASHU: hmmmm

YASHU: it will take 5 minutes

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): ok

YOGESH kumar: yes ok

YASHU: allah sent angels to write deeds of

a person

YASHU: on the 121st day

megamind15: it was said by THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM

megamind15: not by me

YASHU: oooo

YASHU:

megamind15: that it will take 5 mins

megamind15: its better that if we discuss it

on other decided day

YASHU: i am saying that my next Q

YASHU: will take 5 minutes

YASHU: i agree that the previous Q will be

YASHU: discussed after 7 dayz

megamind15: ok

megamind15: ok

YASHU: allah sent angels to write deeds of

a person on the 121st day

megamind15: hmm

YASHU: as i said that a child moves before

that

YASHU: who causes those movements

YASHU: when the soul is yet to come

megamind15: hmm

YASHU: secondly

YASHU: if everything is written at the time

of 121st day

YASHU: why should one be blamed for rape and

murder

megamind15:

megamind15: Sir

YASHU: since it was ordained by allah

megamind15: i already told u

megamind15: that Islam has basic points &

rules

megamind15: there are definition of ever

aspect

megamind15: now u can never get answer to

think question, if u don;t know the concept

of fate

YASHU: please enlighten me

megamind15: everything is Islam is

interlinked

YASHU: hmmm

megamind15: i would like to ask u the same

question here

megamind15: that how much u already know

about Islam

megamind15: ur perosnal opinion & concpets

about islam

YASHU: obviously faaaar less than u

megamind15:

megamind15: it can be far better than me

YASHU: no no
YASHU: how can it be

megamind15: i just want to know ur views

megamind15:

megamind15: it can be, u might have read

more about ISlam, than me

YASHU: actually

YASHU: i am still increasing my

understanding about religion

megamind15: hmm

YASHU: i am just a student of religion

YASHU: a serious student

megamind15: so what exactly do u know about

ISlam, uptill now

megamind15: just summary

YASHU: i know that u believe in one god and

the last prophethood

YASHU: that u have to keep roza and go for

hajj

megamind15: and?

YASHU: that u believe that the insha of

allah is supreme

YASHU: right ?
megamind15: insha , means?

YASHU: is it will?

megamind15: u mean, we believe in Will of

Allah ?

YASHU: i thought so !

megamind15: hmm

megamind15: anything else?

YASHU: well the rest is what muslims do

YASHU: which may or may not be according to

islam

megamind15: hmm

megamind15: ok

megamind15: i would like u to read a simple

book

megamind15: of 176 pages

megamind15: that has all the answers &

basics, that u want to know

YASHU: have u read it ?

megamind15: i m still reading it

YASHU: hmmm...

YASHU: link please

megamind15:
http://www.khilafah.com/images/images/PDF/Bo

oks/sysislam.pdf

megamind15: this book defines the system of

Islam

megamind15: that what exactly a belief is

megamind15: & how we should go on

megamind15: & find the truth

YASHU: sure i will see it

YASHU: so

YASHU: aanic concept of fate

YASHU: quraanic

megamind15: i would like to tell u about the

basics

YASHU: o sure

YASHU: by all means

megamind15: i would like to know concepts of

Sir kumar also

YOGESH kumar: hang on

megamind15: so that i can tell u exatly, in

the way u both should know

YASHU: excellent

YOGESH kumar: sorry i didnt get

megamind15: didn't get what?

YOGESH kumar: what concepts

YASHU: concept of fate

megamind15: i mean, ur own personal concepts

megamind15: as mr yashwant told

megamind15: ok

megamind15: lets decide here , how to

proceed

YOGESH kumar: well can i say as above

megamind15: should i tell u about basics of

Islam first, & then we should proceed on

further study ?

YASHU: yes

YOGESH kumar: YES

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): he again got offline

YOGESH kumar: i would like farhan

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM :): wait for my another invitation

THE HINDU GIRL WHO WANTS TO CONVERT TO ISLAM has left the conference.

EPILOGUE

Yashu:I could not save the last part of the debate .

The result was that the girl who left hinduism for islam , left islam for Vedas/arya dharma.

namaste