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SINHA, DGM (TURBINE)

WHAT IS PHASE ANGLE

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USES OF PHASE ANGLE MEASUREMENT


1. 2. BALANCING STRUCTURE MOTION STUDY

3.

DETECTION OF RESONANCE FREQUENCY


RUN UP & RUN DOWN BEHAVIOUR BODE PLOT

4.
5.

HEALHINESS OF MATING SURFACES OF TWO VIBRATING MASSESS


UNDERSTANDING THE DEFLECTION MODE OF THE SHAFT

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STRUCTURE MOTION STUDY


REAR 245

220 FRONT 230 170

FRONT

220 212

245 REAR 209 138

228 165

127

3 112 96 LEFT SIDE 120 94 107 4/5 6 7 8 101 71 RIGHT SIDE 56 51 19 14 33 20 15 11 11 10 10 24 20 15

87

53
19 14

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16
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11

7 16

21
-14 17

12

22

17 -23 13 13 -25

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STRUCTURE MOTION STUDY

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HEALHINESS OF MATING SURFACES OF TWO VIBRATING MASSESS


3 2 1 9 8 7 4 5 GENERATOR SIDE BASE PLATE 6

LEFT 21 C 20 19 14

D
15

B A
11 12 10 18 17 16

RIGHT

13

SECONDARY GROUT

TURBINE SIDE

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UNDERSTANDING THE DEFLECTION MODE OF THE SHAFT

B1

B2

B3

B4

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Case Studies on Vibration Problems in Steam Turbine Generators

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HIGH VIBRATION IN

500 MW TG SETS

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PROBLEM HIGH HP FRONT SHAFT AND BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION OBSERVATIONS

(A) FREQUENCY ANALYSIS CARRIED OUT WHICH INDICATED


PREDOMINANT 1-X VIBRATION COMPONENTS FOR BOTH SHAFT AND BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION

STEADY PHASE ANGLE


(B) BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATIONS AND SHAFT VIBRATIONS WERE HAVING RISING TENDENCY AT RATED SPEED HOWEVER, THEIR RATIO WAS FOUND TO BE ALMOST CONSTANT

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ANALYSIS PREDOMINANT 1-X VIBRATION WITH SLIGHT CHANGE IN PHASE ANGLE INDICATED THERE WAS UNBALANCE IN THE ROTOR SYSTEM LEADING TO INITIATION OF MINOR RUB MAIN SOURCE OF VIBRATION WAS HIGHER DYNAMIC LOADING FROM THE SHAFT WHICH WAS GETTING TRANSMITTED TO BEARING

ACTION TAKEN
TO REDUCE THE HP FRONT SHAFT VIBRATION LEVEL, INSITU BALANCING WAS CARRIED OUT USING LP ROTOR BALANCING PLANES

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RESULT OF INSITU BALANCING HP SHAFT VIBRATION BROUGHT DOWN TO STEADY VALUE OF 120 MICRONS, 0-PK FROM EARLIER VALUE OF 150 - 200 MICRONS, 0-PK HP FRONT BEARING VIBRATION CAME DOWN INITIALLY TO 15 MICRONS, 0-PK AT 3000 RPM FROM EARLIER VALUE OF 25 40 MICRONS, 0-PK LATER, WITHIN 2-3 HOURS OF OPERATION, HP FRONT BEARING VIBRATION INCREASED BEYOND ALARM VALUE (35 MICRONS, 0-PK). DURING THIS PERIOD, NO INCREASE IN SHAFT VIBRATION WAS OBSERVED

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INTREPRETATION OF RESULTS AFTER INSITU BALANCING AS HP FRONT BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION INCREASED, EVEN WHEN HP FRONT SHAFT VIBRATION WAS CONSTANT, INDICATED THAT THE CAUSE OF HIGH BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION WAS SOME

FACTORS APART FROM UNBALANCE OF THE SHAFT


ANALYSIS DONE BASED UPON THE VIBRATION BEHAVIOUR OF BEARING PEDESTAL AND

SHAFT VIBRATION, IT WAS DECIDED TO SCAN FRONT BEARING


PEDESTAL BY PORTABLE VIBRATION ANALYSER

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RESULTS OF SCANNING OF FRONT PEDESTAL VIBRATION ON LEFT AND RIGHT HAND SIDE OF FRONT BEARING PEDESTAL (NEAR HP CASING FRONT PALMS) IN THE VERTICAL DIRECTION WERE HAVING LARGE VARIATION

(LHS VIBRATION IS ABOUT 5 TIMES MORE THAN RHS VIBRATION)


HP CASING PALM VIBRATION AMPLITUDE IN VERTICAL DIRECTION ON LEFT AND RIGHT PALM WAS FOUND TO BE OF LOWER MAGNITUDE

AND SAME
SCANNING INDICATED THAT THERE WAS NO PROBLEM WITH BASE PLATE, SECONDARY GROUT & FOUNDATION MATING SURFACES

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HP CASING PAM (RIGHT HAND SIDE) HP FRONT BEARING PEDESTAL

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 500 MW TG SETS


ANALYSIS SCANNING DATA INDICATED THAT LOAD DISTRIBUTION BETWEEN PALMS OF HP CASING WAS NOT PROPER

THERE WAS GAP BETWEEN CASING PALM AND PEDESTAL ON LEFT


HAND SIDE ACTION TAKEN

0.15 MM SHIM WAS ADDED BELOW LEFT HAND SIDE PALM WHEREAS
0.1 MM SHIM WAS REMOVED FROM RIGHT HAND SIDE PALM FOR IMPROVING THE LOADING PATTERN OF HP CASING ON PEDESTAL

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 500 MW TG SETS


RESULT OF CORRECTION IN SHIMS
VIBRATIONS ON BEARING PEDESTAL REDUCED FROM 35 MICRONS, 0PK TO 15 MICRONS, 0-PK AND NO INCREASING TENDENCY WAS OBSERVED HP FRONT SHAFT VIBRATION WAS FOUND TO BE REDUCED FROM 120 MICRONS, 0-PK TO 90 MICRONS, 0-PK AND BEARING VIBRATION SETTLED DOWN TO 10 MICRONS, 0-PK AT FULL LOAD RATIO OF LEFT AND RIGHT HAND SIDE VIBRATION ON FRONT PEDESTAL IN VERTICAL DIRECTION CAME DOWN TO 2:1 FROM

EARLIER VALUE OF 5:1

HENCE, UNBALANCE OF ROTOR SYSTEM & UNLOADING OF LEFT SIDE PALM WAS FOUND TO BE THE ROOT CAUSE OF THE HIGH HP FRONT SHAFT AND BEARING PEDESTAL VIBRATION BHEL, POWER SECTOR TECHNICAL SERVICES (HQ), NOIDA

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CONCLUSION
VIBRATION IMPORTANT PURPOSES VIBRATION SCANNING SHOULD BE USED AS SCANNING TOOL FOR IS A VERY DIAGNOSTICS

FREQUENTLY AS POSSIBLE
IT HELPS IN RULING OUT OR PIN POINTING CERTAIN DEFECTS
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HIGH VIBRATION IN

210 MW TG SETS

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BACKGROUND

MACHINE IS OF KWU DESIGN STEAM TURBINE COUPLED WITH LMW


GENERATOR (LP REAR BEARING AND GENERATOR FRONT BEARING IS LOCATED IN COMMON PEDESTAL) VIBRATION BEHAVIOUR WAS FOUND TO BE NORMAL DURING FIRST COMMISSIONING ON ALL BEARINGS AND LATER ON VIBRATION ON BEARING NO. 4 / 5 PEDESTAL DETERIORATED GRADUALLY BEYOND ALARM LEVELS (35 MICRONS, 0-PK)

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS


PROBLEM HIGH LP REAR BEARING VIBRATION HIGH GENERATOR FRONT BEARING VIBRATION

OBSERVATIONS
FREQUENCY ANALYSIS CARRIED OUT WHICH INDICATED PREDOMINANT 1-X VIBRATION COMPONENT FOR BOTH LP REAR AND GENERATOR FRONT VERTICAL AND AXIAL VIBRATION VERTICAL VIBRATION AT LP REAR AND GENERATOR FRONT BEARING WAS OF THE ORDER OF 100 MICRONS, PK-PK AXIAL VIBRATION WAS ABOUT 200 MICRONS, PK-PK FOR BOTH LP REAR BEARING AND GENERATOR FRONT BEARING

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS


ANALYSIS BASED ON VIBRATION SYMPTOMS, FOLLOWING CHECKS WERE SUGGESTED IN PLANNED OVERHAUL LP / GENERATOR ALIGNMENT BEARING ASSEMBLY CHECKS RESULT OF ABOVE WORKS AFTER CARRYING OUT THE ABOVE MENTIONED CHECKS & CORRECTIONS DURING PLANNED OVERHAUL, VIBRATION LEVEL DID NOT IMPROVE

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ACTION TAKEN FOLLOWING WORKS WERE CARRIED OUT VIBRATION ANALYSIS SCANNING OF LP REAR BEARING PEDESTAL AND ITS SECONDARY GROUT AND BASE PLATE AREA OBSERVATIONS / ANALYSIS FREQUENCY BEHAVIOUR OF BEARING VIBRATION FOUND SIMILAR TO EARLIER OBSERVATION

WIDE DIFFERENCE IN PHASE ANGLE IN VERTICAL DIRECTION


ACROSS BASE PLATE OF LP REAR PEDESTAL AND SECONDARY GROUTING WHICH INDICATED THAT VERTICAL LOAD TRANSFER FROM BEARING TO FOUNDATION IS NOT AS EXPECTED

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SCANNING OF PEDESTAL
3 2 1 9 8 7 4 5 GENERATOR SIDE BASE PLATE 6

LEFT 21 C 20 19 14

D
15

B A
11 12 10 18 17 16

RIGHT

13

SECONDARY GROUT

TURBINE SIDE

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ACTION PLAN SUGGESTED REGROUTING OF LP REAR PEDESTAL REPLACEMENT OF FOUNDATION BOLTS OF LP REAR PEDESTAL AND PROPER MATCHING OF ANCHOR PLATES IN-SITU BALANCING OF GENERATOR ROTOR TO REDUCE EXCITATION FORCES TO MINIMUM DUE TO TIME CONSTRAINT AND POWER REQUIREMENT, FOLLOWING WORKS CARRIED OUT EPOXY GROUTING (PRESSURE GROUTING) OF LP REAR PEDESTAL

RESTRETCHING OF FOUNDATION BOLTS OF LP REAR PEDESTAL


LP / GENERATOR REALIGNMENT BEARING INSPECTION

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RESULT OF ABOVE WORKS AFTER CARRING OUT THE ABOVE MENTIONED CHECKS DURING NEXT OVERHAUL VIBRATION LEVEL FOUND REDUCED TO 25 MICRONS, 0-PK ON BEARING NO. 4 / 5 PEDESTAL PHASE DIFFERENCE WAS FOUND TO BE MINIMUM BETWEEN BEARING PEDESTAL BASE PLATE AND SECONDARY GROUTING BUT AFTER FEW DAYS OF OPERATION, VIBRATION LEVEL STARTED INCREASING GRADUALLY AND TOUCHED

ALARM VALUE OF 35 MICRONS, 0-PK


PHASE ANGLE DIFFERENCE WAS ALSO FOUND TO BE INCREASING BETWEEN BASE PLATE AND SECONDARY GROUTING

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ANALYSIS EPOXY GROUTING WAS INSUFFICIENT TO CURE THE VIBRATION PROBLEM ON PERMANENT BASIS AT THIS POINT OF TIME, CIVIL EXPERT ALSO CONDUCTED STUDIES ON FOUNDATION WHICH CONFIRMED THE BAD CONDITION OF SECONDARY GROUT

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HIGH VIBRATION IN 210 MW TG SETS


ACTION PLAN SUGGESTED: ONCE AGAIN THE PREVIOUS ACTION PLAN WAS SUGGESTED, THAT IS, REMOVAL OF LP REAR BEARING PEDESTAL AFTER BREAKING SECONDARY GROUTING COMPLETELY REPLACEMENT OF FOUNDATION BOLTS IN-SITU BALACNING OF GENERATOR ROTOR DISMANTLING OBSERVATION

DURING REMOVAL OF LP REAR PEDESTAL, SECONDARY GROUT


MATERIAL WAS FOUND IN PIECES OIL SEEPAGE WAS OBSERVED UNDER PEDESTAL

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RESULT OF ABOVE WORKS AFTER THE ABOVE MENTIONED WORKS CARRIED OUT (INCLUDING IN-SITU BALANCING OF GENERATOR ROTOR) IN THE NEXT PLANNED OVERHAUL, VIBRATION LEVEL OF LP REAR AND GENERATOR FRONT IMPROVED IN BOTH VERTICAL AND AXIAL DIRECTION MACHINE IS RUNNING SATISFACTORILY SINCE THEN

HENCE, LOOSENESS / VOID BETWEEN LP REAR PEDESTAL AND SECONDARY GROUTING WAS FOUND TO BE THE ROOT CAUSE

OF HIGH LP REAR PEDESTAL AND GENERATOR FRONT


VIBRATION

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CONCLUSION
HISTORY OF THE PROBLEM SHOULD BE GIVEN DUE

WEIGHTAGE FOR ANALYSING THE PROBLEM


ATTENTION SHOULD BE PAID TO INTERFACE AREAS BETWEEN

MACHINE

AND

SUPPORTING

SYSTEM

STRUCTURE

IN

ADDITION TO MAIN MACHINE

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TIPS FOR BETTER DIAGNOSTICS


HISTORY OF MACHINE WITH RESPECT TO ITS DYNAMIC BEHAVIOUR SHOULD BE STUDIED REGULAR VIBRATION READING ON BEARING PEDESTAL AT

PRESCRIBED LOCATIONS SHOULD BE TAKEN FOR ASSESSING


THE TREND OF VIBRATION BEHAVIOUR ACCURATELY SHAFT VIBRATION IN TWO ORTHOGONAL DIRECTIONS

SHOULD BE MEASURED FOR ORBIT ANALYSIS

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RECOMMENDED LOCATIONS OF VIBRATION MEASUREMENTS ON

BEARINGS AS PER ISO

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RECOMMENDED LOCATIONS OF SHAFT VIBRATION MEASUREMENTS AS PER ISO


Measuring Amplifier Measuring Amplifier

45O

45O

PROXIMITY PICK-UP
VERTICAL

SHAFT

OR

SHAFT

R
HORIZONTAL

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TIPS FOR BETTER DIAGNOSTICS


EVERY UNIT SHOULD HAVE KEY PHASOR ARRANGEMENT FOR VIBRATION ANALYSIS. SCANNING OF VIBRATION PRONE AREAS INCLUDING SYSTEM / FOUNDATION AROUND THE PROBLEMATIC AREA SHOULD BE CONDUCTED DEVIATION IN OPERATING PARAMETERS SHOULD BE

RECORDED AND ANALYSED FOR THEIR EFFECT ON VIBRATION

BEHAVIOUR

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TIPS FOR BETTER DIAGNOSTICS


RUN UP & RUN DOWN VIBRATION BEHAVIOUR SHOULD BE RECORDED FOR ALL BEARINGS AND SHAFT POSITIONS FOR REFERENCE WHICH CAN BE USED DURING TROUBLESHOOTING PRE-OUTAGE SURVEY SHOULD OVERHAUL FOR BETTER ACTIVITIES / SPARES, IF REQUIRED RECORD OF PREVIOUS BALANCING AT SITE SHOULD BE BE CONDUCTED PRIOR TO OF ADDITIONAL

PLANNING

MAINTAINED FOR REFERENCE PURPOSES

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TIPS FOR BETTER DIAGNOSTICS


LAST BUT NOT THE LEAST, DURING TROUBLESHOOTING, EVERY FEEDBACK / OBSERVATION NEEDS TO BE CONFIRMED. IF EVERYTHING IS ALRIGHT, VIBRATION PROBLEM WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE. SO VERIFY EACH & EVERY POSSIBILITY AND CONFIRM FROM WRITTEN DOCUMENTS

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Thank you
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