Mrwaltersenglishap3ateam - Transcript - Crucible Jury Seminar

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@Dylan Why hire a guy just for determination?

1:36pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Basit
make sure you guys are only responding to the inner discussion
1:36pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by mr walters
@Dylan How did Al Capone get away with his illegitimate businesses for so long?
1:36pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Marco
@marco Lack of evidence and good cover up?

1:37pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Micaela
@Micaela How about paying off the entire Chicago Police Department
@dylan if Capone didn't have legitimate businesses, why would he still have to file a tax return?
1:37pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Hamil
@James he may have had legitimate businesses covering up his illegitimate businesses
1:38pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by ANTHONY MURPHY
How could this even be an established 'business' if the IRS & other agency's haven't given him the
'okay' to establish a business
1:39pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Charleskenney
With Money, Guns, People, the Police, and Local Businesses in his hand he can get away with
pretty much anything, except not paying taxes
1:39pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Brandon F
@dylan: how did the courts manage to "prove" this?

Of all the things he did he got caught for not paying taxes???
But if you don't have a proper business you don't have to pay taxes. He may have been avoiding
taxation by never declaring businesses though
@Dylan Out of all the crimes he got convicted of not paying taxes...
@josh Supreme Court is national level

@Josh How would seperate facilities maintain equality. If they are seperate are they not already
segregating?
Test
1:41pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Rachel
@josh: was this a jury trial?
@Josh Separate but equal facilities will never work because of the general bias that comes along
with such segregation
@Josh Did this trial overturn Plessy vs. Ferguson?

@Anna Was this lady making things up or did she have physical evidence?
1:43pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Hailey
@Anna maybe the kids didn't day anything because nothing actually happened
@josh: separate but equal can't work because marginalizing people by definition is not treating
them equally
@Anna what physical evidence did they have?

1:43pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Casey
@anna it is amazing what stereotypes can do.

@Casey spectral?
@anna did this lady make her accusations without any physical evidence
1:44pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Ted
@casey there wasn't any it was just suspicion

@Josh no matter what was considered equal something would be found to make the white schools
better and vice versa. Segregation was the....
@Marco.. Yes plessy vs ferguson said facilities could remain seperate as long as they were equal
to one another. The Brown ruling said
@Anna Was there any first-hand accounts of Ray Buckey's threatening behaviors by anyone other
than the children?
@anna Maybe constantly questioning the kids about it pressured them into saying they were raped
1:44pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by victoriahasnosecret
segregation was unconstitutional
....Problem not the schools
@Anna How do you know that the person convicted was the one who took the pictures. Where's
the evidence for that
Anna did people accuse him of more things before he was accused of molesting children or after?
1:44pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by ADAM
@anna because children are very easily impressionable, is it fair to rule based upon their claims
1:44pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Bria
@Anna What exactly happened in court?

@anna but if there was no actual proof linking to these alleged 'rapes' why was this ruled, law is
about what you can prove, not what may be
@Anna was anyone convicted in your case?

@anna wasn't this a mass hysteria? I didn't know they had much evidence
1:46pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by FaithS
@Gabrielle How much of an impression did the assassination of John Wilkes Booth contribute to
the outcome of the trial?
@Hannah there is actually new evidence that OJ's son was the killer. The found a bloody knife in
his storage unit
@marco: are you asking about JW Booth's assas. of Lincoln or of the shooting death of Booth?
@hannah if they had all of this evidence of him being there why was he said to be innocent?
@Hannah What if he was framed

Hanna what evidence was there to prove him innocent?

@Hannah How was he innocent after all of the evidence given?

@Hannah if there is this extreme evidence of this man being a murderer, then why did the jury
find him not guilty?
1:47pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Sydney
@Hannah why did the jury say he was innocent if there was scientific evidence that he was not?
@sabrina define 'suspicious'
@hannah so if there was sonics evidence against him how did he get out?
@hannah do you believe that the jury felt him to be innocent based upon OJ being a celebrity
@Victoria there was no solid evidence that he was guilty

@Hannah with all that evidence how was he proven innocent?

1:48pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Mandi O
@Hannah I agree with everyone else, how did the jury let him go free just like that
@hannah: did the prosecution PROVE its case beyond a reasonable doubt?
@Sabrina what do you mean by he felt he was suspicious, more detail on this
@hannah he was found innocent in the criminal trial but wasn't he found guilty in the civil case?
@Sabrina nobody truly knows the story after Zimmerman called the police. Nothing was really
proved.
what evidence caused the jury to say he's innocent?

@rachel he was later found guilty in a civil case yes

@Sabrina How do you think Zimmerman will be able to live the rest of his life, being seen as a
menace to society after this trial.
1:49pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by @sneha What was the purpos of releasing this to the public, why was the president against it?
@Sabrina What if Martin did have some sort of weapon on him or tried to attack Zimmerman so
Zimmerman could have shot him in self defense
@Micaela the marks on his face

@Sabrina What proof is there?

@sabrina if he went against legal advice and continued in an altercation / shooting, how is he not
guilty. This is murder
@anna that fact that he was a celebrity and probably had a good lawyer may of had something to
do with it
@does anyone know what the FL law says about, "Stand your ground"?
@Sabrina so the jury had potential to be biased?

@hanna
@Natalie He will not be able to return to his normal life because so many people in the country
see him as "the racists killer who got off"
when you say "hit him in the face and everything" what specifically did he do to require using a
gun for protection
@walters yes
@sabrina define potential bias
@sabrina do you believe that if the race of the jury should have been more diverse, the verdict
would have been different?
@Mr.Walters defend yourself and your property

@walters people tried to get the law repealed

@casey: isn't this what GZ did?
@natalie At the same time even if he was convicted for Manslaughter he would be murdered in
prison if put into the general Population. "If"
@walters do we know that though? His story could have been fabricated
@Mr.W well, yes but the story could be false

@Dylan But again he did many crimes which could have been noticed and not paying taxes was
noticed? Is our
@dylan if they have all this other evidence of a fraud business, why not use this income fraud to
convict Capone even further
1:51pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Cole
@james: true, but the problem is that the prosecution didn't prove he was lying
@Walters but did they prove he was telling the truth, or did they base their verdict on the trust of
the defense?
@Gabrielle What was the strong evidence that they had against him?
@Sharon sometimes they dont charge murder if they know they cant get a guilty verdit
i.e. that they do not have enough evidence

@Dylan Out of all the crimes he was found guilty for not paying taxes. What were police officials
and others doing. (Not their job)
@hannah any murder weapons?
@sneha should we be allowed to break the law because WE believe it actually benefits the greater
good
@hannah do you think the jury could have been bias since he was a famous football player?
@hannah it is extremely hard to find a jury that does not already know about the case
@hamil: the prosecution couldn't prove that GZ wasn't acting in self-defense, the very definition
of "Stand Your Ground."
@Hannah so you believe race had an affect on the jurys decision?

@Hannah why would the race of the jury influence the decision?
@Hannah What evidence was there to prove him innocent?

@Hannah What if the jury chose his side because they believed he has so much respect that he
couldn't do such a thing
@sydney race always has something to do with it whether people admit to it or not
@Hannah Didn't the fact that OJ Simpson was famous lean the trial for his behalf?
@Everybody Should the motive be taken into account when prosecuting somebody? How heavily.
@micaela: what is your data for this claim?

@Hailey What evidence was there to prove him guilty?

@Basit it isnt about what the jury thinks about the case its about what the evidence says
What exactly was he defending
@Sabrina Why did they not bag it properly. They should be aware of correct procedures
@walters did the prosecution have the evidence to prove this?

@hamil, no which is why GZ was acquitted

@brandon I think the motive should be taken into account very heavily because that could be the
sole reason for the events
@Sabrina the Zimmerman Martin case was unfair because the jury was not racially diverse
@victoria not much either. That's why the trial is so controversial

@Dylan, isnt it human nature to keep their biases, its hard for us as people to just let them go
@Anthony I understand that but they still have the ability to be biased even with the presented
evidence
@hannah I think the oj jury make up was not fair due to the fact that almost all of the jury make
up was non-white. I think that non-white
1:55pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Omadi
@Dylan How do you find a jury that is completely free of bias? 4

@josh: how does one go about "eliminating: bias?

@Anthony Oh but it is.... The jury has the utmost control. Weather they think someone is innocent
or not their choice controls their fate.
Any legal trial should represent the law of the land, and only interpret it based on the law
People (black people) bond together and try to come up with similar outlooks and perspectives
1:55pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Omadi
@Victoria rarely will there ever be a jury where all members have no biases
@walters sounds good
@anna @josh how can you just get rid of bias

@Victoria A completely unbiased jury is impossible, but in some of these trials, the jury was very
skewed
Everyone has perspective - bias
People shouldn't be determining someone's fate by the color of his skin but what the law states
@mandi is there really anyway to get rid o it

@Omadi you cant. Its human nature really

@Sabrina is two weeks enough time to figure everything out

Someone in a jury will always be bias

@Mandi but the jury needs to look past race and religion to reach a verdict
@mandi And that one person can help sway the whole jury's opinion
@rachel I concur
@Mandi PREACH
Back to the Zimmerman trial, outside evidence was also brought in to let the jury know about
Martin's and Zimmerman's lives previously
@Dylan How can we fix picking the correct jurors? Is it possible

@micaela explain...
@mandi its human nature to automatically put their beliefs into play when forming an opinion
@eveybody sounds like they need to pick the jury more carefully
The entire purpose of the prosecutors and defenders is to persuade the jury to feel a certain way
and be biased.
@Basit it isnt possible, some probably would lie to get on the jury in order to convict someone
based off bais
@faith rt
They should take jurors from foreign countries that have no clue about the trial in play
@Victoria but what if they are biased into the wrong direction
When discussing a case, everyone will have a different viewpoint and a belief of what actually
happened
@James but then the language barrier

By taking jurors from foreign countries, the court will be diverse. Good idea? Yes. Practical? No.
@James it needs to be practical too!!

@Everyone The jury selection process is already extremely selective. I doubt many people called to
jury duty would be happy if itwere longer
@basit it is the courts responsibility to use facts in persuading the jury into the right decision
@everybody: the courts have a reasonable expectation of average people to consider the evidence
and make a decision that is BRD
@Hailey I completely agree but if we work to not allow them to know of the case and just base it
off evidence then it would be better
@casey they would take people who know English or hire translators
Race will always play a large role in the convictions of interracial cases
@everybody: Beyond a Reasonable Doubt

@Basit but what if they are biased into the 'right' direction the facts should have a major part in
which way the are persuaded
@casey that's the issue. People have great ideas but they fail in practice
@James but thats expensive and time consuming. It isnt practical

maybe get an equal selection of race and culture in the jury

@Mandi I guess it depends
@dylan prove it...that's a false statement

@Dylan what if a juror does know about law. You can't assume that
@micaela you cannot select a jury based on race or religion. They don't have to share their
religious beliefs
@dylan: that's what the attorneys are for

@basit: concur
@casey what's more important, someone's life or money?

@Brandon but people always make their decisions based on what they are familiar with
@dylan what makes you think they are of average intelligence and what are you basing that
statement on?
2:02pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by JustinQueso
@casey also, trials bring in a lot of money

@brandon I'm not saying select it by race im sayig have tht play a bigger role

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@Dylan Why hire a guy just for determination?

@marco Lack of evidence and good cover up?

1:39pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Charleskenney

@dylan: how did the courts manage to "prove" this?

@josh Supreme Court is national level

1:41pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Basit

1:41pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Rachel

@josh: was this a jury trial?

1:42pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by mr walters

1:42pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Marco

@Josh Did this trial overturn Plessy vs. Ferguson?

1:43pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by mr walters

@Anna what physical evidence did they have?

@anna it is amazing what stereotypes can do.

1:43pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Hamil

@casey there wasn't any it was just suspicion

1:44pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by ANTHONY MURPHY

1:44pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Marco

segregation was unconstitutional

1:44pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by ANTHONY MURPHY

....Problem not the schools

1:44pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Brandon F

1:44pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Basit

@Anna What exactly happened in court?

@Anna was anyone convicted in your case?

1:46pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Marco

1:47pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Hamil

@Hannah What if he was framed

Hanna what evidence was there to prove him innocent?

@Hannah How was he innocent after all of the evidence given?

find him not guilty?

1:47pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Sydney

@sabrina define 'suspicious'

1:47pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Charleskenney

@Victoria there was no solid evidence that he was guilty

@Hannah with all that evidence how was he proven innocent?

1:48pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Hamil

what evidence caused the jury to say he's innocent?

@rachel he was later found guilty in a civil case yes

@Micaela the marks on his face

@Sabrina What proof is there?

1:49pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Charleskenney

1:49pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by FaithS

@Sabrina so the jury had potential to be biased?

1:50pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by FaithS

1:50pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by ADAM

1:50pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Hamil

@sabrina define potential bias

1:50pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Charleskenney

1:50pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Bria

@Mr.Walters defend yourself and your property

@walters people tried to get the law repealed

@casey: isn't this what GZ did?

1:50pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by mr walters

1:51pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Hamil

@Mr.W well, yes but the story could be false

1:51pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Basit

1:52pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Hamil

i.e. that they do not have enough evidence

@hannah any murder weapons?

1:52pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Charleskenney

1:52pm, Weds, Nov 12, 2014 by Bria