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four kids to live for, you know. And I just know that
you guys, you know, will get to the bottom of this. I
know that we'll see -- look at the procedures and we'll
just try to get this past us and resolve this and do
the right thing.
JUROR: Really sorry for your loss.
THE WITNESS: Thank you. I appreciate
that.
AUBREY CROSSLEY
Was thereupon called as a witness on
behalf of the State and, having been first duly
sworn, was examined and testified as follows
MR. REES: Please be seated. This is
being recorded. We have a court reporter here. I'm
going to ask you to speak up so she can hear you loud
and clear. Sounds like that won't be problem. If you
could state your name and spell it, please?
THE WETNESS: Aubrey, A-U-B-R-E-Y,
Crossley, C-R-O-S-S-L-E-Y
BY MR. REES::
Q All right. And it looks -- unlike some of the
other witnesses we called, you don't live at the Sandy
Terrace Apartments. You were in the area to visit your
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Q And does she live at the Sandy Terrace
Apartments?
A Yes. She lives right -- yes, she does
Q Okay. Right behind you, sir, if you want to
look, feel free to stand up, there is an aerial
photograph that shows the aree. and this is sandy
Boulevard?
A Uh-hum,
Q This is the Sandy Terrace Apartments?
A Uh-hum,
Q This is another apartment complex that's
called, I think, Darrin's Place?
A ‘his is the gas station right here
Q The 76?
A My sister lives in the unit right here
Q Can everyone see that, folks?
JUROR: This is Darrin's Place?
THE WITNESS: Yes.
BY MR. REES:
Can you see where Mr. Crossley is pointing?
A She lives in this unit right here, second
floor. My car was parked right here. I just pulled
up. And everything was taped off when I got there.
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dinner. And I heard some shots. So then I ran back
outside and went right over here.
There was a truck, and I could see him with
his right hand up and his hand was like -- he was
rubbing his -- rubbing his left side of his back right
here.
Q And I think you said, but just so I'm clear,
when you are seeing that, you are down on like the
corner looking back; is that right?
A Yeah. They had it taped off -- my car taped
off
well, actually, my car wasn't taped off, but
they didn't want to have me move my car -- I don't
know -~ for one reason. They had the whole street
marked off from the gas station all the way to K-Mart.
I heard the shots, ran back out. TI was
standing behind the truck there. I could kind of see.
It seemed like he was walking backwards, and, uhm, that
was it after that.
So then I ran back around towards here, and
then the police were -- had some guns and they were
right here. So then they taped off right in this area.
So you could see when the SWAT Team was going in the
house. Then they were saying he was laying right in
the parking lot.
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Could you hear the police saying anything when you saw
this man walking backwards in the parking lot?
A No, not really because I was kind of far back
towards the main street, Sandy Boulevard.
Q And how many shots do you think you heard?
A Uhm, when I was in the house, wow, at least
at least a couple. At least one or two. My sister ——
I heard shots. I was, "Well, you hear shots?" I run
outside, looked around, and I seen -~ when I seen him
kinds of backing up a little bit. I went back to her
complex. ‘Then I looked around, and then the police had
came up. They didn't have it taped off at the time
So then I was looking. Then I see the SWAT Team go in
there. I thought he was in the house, in the
apartment. I didn't know until later on. They said,
"on, he was laying on the ground outside." So
everybody in that apartment complex behind this area
were chained up at, they could see everything that was
happening at the time. Because when the SWAT Team went
in the apartment, they went in this apartment to the
right at the time, so --
Q In the report by Detective Dram, who is the
Detective, I guess, who interviewed you, it said you
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words or you heard them yelling something?
A You could hear them yelling something,
something like, "Back up." You couldn't tell, you
know, with everything taped off and you have the police
and everything there.
Q Could you hear this gentleman saying anything
back to the police?
A No, uh-uh.
Could you see what the reaction was from this
gentleman after -- I guess, after the shots? You said
that you could see him running?
A No
Q Or you tell me.
A It was dark at that time. So a lot of people
were -- there was a lot of moving action and
everything. So, basically, when he had his hands up
like this, it seemed like he was either moving forward
a little bit or backwards, but at the time I guess they
were trying to get him under control, you know, telling
him, you know, "Be still" or whatever. So
Q What I'm asking is, if you saw this, how he
was moving. In the report it says you said his hands
were pumping in a running fashion; is that right?
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was way back towards Sandy Boulevard.
JUROR: So he was moving away from you?
THE WITNESS: No. I'm on Sandy behind a
truck, and he's farther up. He's about a quarter of a
mile in the center of the parking lot.
JUROR: All right.
THE WITNESS: So all the movement around
and everything, it just was so dark you couldn't really
tell.
JUROR: Thank you.
MR. REES: Are there any other questions
from the Grand Jury?
JUROR: Just to clarify for me, so you
were in the apartment when you heard the shots?
THE WITNESS:
Uh~hum.
JUROR: And then you were able to run
out, I guess, around that top part of the complex. So
you were at almost the end of that drive to be able to
see?
THE WITNESS: Well, as soon as I heard
the shot, I ran all the way straight downstairs, and T
ran towards the front of the parking unit. They had it
taped off, but they didn't have the truck -- I was
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took you to get there?
THE WITNESS: Not even a minute, not even
20, 30 seconds.
JUROR: So even after the shots, he was
still standing?
THE WITNESS: Yes, he was.
JUROR: Okay. That was the time
sequence. Okay.
THE WITNESS: Yeah.
MR. REES: Anything else? Did you have
anything? I know you missed, but do you have any
questions?
MR. BANFIELD: No. That's all right.
Thanks.
MR. REES: Is there anything you think is
important for us to know, or is that pretty much it?
THE WETNESS: Tnat's about it.
MR. REES: All right. Thank you very
much.
JUROR: I'm going to take a short break.
(Brief Recess was taken.)