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Nass Abinal
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As salaamu 'alaykum wa rahmatollaahi wa barakaatoh.

Peace be with you all and the Mercy of Allah and His bounties.
We are now witnessing the debate between two respected brothers in Islam.
1. Presentation of arguments by the debaters / apologists.
First will be Brother Abu Jaiyana then Brother Qamar Muneer. 2500 words maximum which must be
made within 24 hours from the time the debate starts and after the affirmative has finished his
presentation.
2. Rebuttal. The affirmative will do it within 24 hours after the presentation of the negative side and
the negative side will do it within 24 hours also after the rebuttal of the affirmative side. 1500 words
maximum. Only one rebuttal for each debater.
3. Conclusion. Affirmative has 24 hours to do it in not more than 1000 words and the same time and
words have been allotted to the negative side.
Submitted for the comments and suggestions and agreement of both sides

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Abu Jaiyana Bismillahir-Rahmanir-Rahim

I begin by mentioning the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful. Salutations to our beloved Prophet Muhammad

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s.a.w. and to his noble and blessed family, and his noble companions and those who follow them until the Last Day.
I bear witness that there is no Diety worthy of any form of worship but Allah, and that Muhammad, peace and
blessings be upon him, is Allahs Messenger.
I greetings of peace to all the readers of this debate, and especially to my shia rafida opponent, Qamar Muneer. My
opponent has been witnessed and sworn by Nass Abinal to be a highly leanred shia, so I would suggest that Shia
readers should follow and read this debate very carefully because the defeat of my opponent is a big blow against
shiaism, at least in Philippines.
The shias are called rafidas (rawafid, rafidi, etc.) by one of the members of the Ahlul Bayt, Zayd, due to their rejection
of the Sahaba especially the first three caliphs of Islam, so I hope that no shii here would be offended when I refer to
them as rafidi or rawafids, ect. because Im simply agreeing to a member of the Ahlul Bayt.
WHO ARE THE SAHABA ACCORDING TO THE UNDERSTANDING OF THE AHLUL SUNNAH???
When the Ahlul Sunnah mentions the word Sahaba, we immediately think of the Muhajireen and the Ansar because
they were the ones who lived, study, witnessed the Sunnah of the Prophet s.a.w. and they were also the eyewitnesses of the revelation of the Quran.
Linguistically, the word sahaba, plural for sahabi, means companions. There is no unanimous word for word
agreement about the definition of Sahaba, however, in technical sense, it could mean those people who saw, talked
to the Prophet s.a.w. and died as Muslims.
The vast majority of Muslims unanimously agree that the Sahaba is not of the same degree and status; the
Muhajireen and the Ansar that those who embraced Islam later. This is because they preceded the latter group in
accepting Islam and that their time and experience with the Prophet s.a.w. made them aware and more
knowledgeable about Islam than the other group.
"And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhajiroon (the Emigrants from Makkah) and the Ansar (the citizens of AlMadeenah who helped the Muhajiroon) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with
them as they are well pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein
forever. That is the supreme success." [9:100]
"Indeed, Allah was pleased with the believers when they gave their pledge to you (O Muhammad) under the tree. He
knew what was in their hearts and He sent down calmness and tranquility upon them..." [48:18]
"You are the best of peoples ever raised for mankind, you enjoin good and forbid evil, and you believe in Allah."
[3:110]
Since the technical meaning of the word Sahaba refers to those who saw, talked to the Prophet s.a.w. and died as
Muslims this necessarily includes some of the members of the Ahlul Bayt such as the wives of the Prophet, Ali bin Abi
Talib r.a. Hazrat Fatima bint Muhammad, Al Hasan and Al Husayn a.s
Therefore, it is correct to say that some of the members of the Ahlul Bayt are included in the meaning of the word
Sahaba They are members of the Ahlulbayt of the Prophet s.a.w. and Sahaba at the same time.
There are specific names of Sahaba who mentioned by the Prophet s.a.w. who were assured paradise even before
their death.
The issue in this debate is about the STATUS of the Sahaba in comparison to any other group of people after the
death of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. whether they are the best people or otherwise. Please take note that we are not
debating here the status of any specific sahabi or sahabiya but we are debating here about the status of the Sahaba
as a group of people being the companions of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w, not as an individual persons.
Reasons for believing that the Sahaba are the best of people after Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. are so numerous but
due to the word count limit in this debate, I would only mention three. If these three or any of these three reasons
would be belied or refuted by my opponent, by Allah, I will embrace Shiaism religion, but if my opponent would fail to
belie or refute any of these three reasons, I hope that he would leave shiaism.

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1. Compilation and transmission and preservation of the Quran

2. Transmission and compilation of the Sunnah of the Prophet s.a.w.
3. Making Islam supreme in the Arabian Peninsula by defeating the Roman and Persian empires which were the
superpowers in the world during that era.
Discussions:
1. COMPILATION AND TRANSMISSION AND PRESERVATION OF THE QURAN
Allah s.w.t. restored the purity of His religion from being distorted and confused by the disbelievers. He raised a
Messenger from the Arabs with a book of guidance, the Quran, in which there is no doubt and crookedness. Without
the Qurn there is no Islam to talk about.
The Quran was revealed to Prophet Muhammad by stages within 23 years. The Sahaba of the Prophet had
memorized and wrote the Quran during the lifetime, and after the death of the Prophet s.a.w. After the death of the
Prophet, the Sahaba compiled the Quran and taught it to others.
When the fear of having confusion about the different modes (ahruf) of the Quran, the Sahaba standardized the
reading of the Quran into a one mode of reading, the Quraishi way of reading because the Prophet s.a.w. was a
Quraishi.
It is correct therefore to conclude that the Quran that we have today is from Allah, sent down to Prophet Muhammad,
and memorized, written, and transmitted to us through the effort of the Sahaba.
The shia, especially the Usoolis, boldly declare that the Quran that the Sunnis and the Shias have today is NOT
corrupted and cant be corrupted due to the promise of Allah that He himself guard it from corruption.
It is clear therefore that the Quran was transmitted to the later generations and up to the Last Day by the Sahaba
this one of the main reasons why the Sahaba are the greatest, the best people after the Prophet s.a.w.
The Shias, such as my opponent here, should be THANKFUL to the Sahaba because they were the means by which
he is now able to read the Quran.
The Imams and ayatollahs of the Shias have NO Quran other than the Quran transmitted by the Sahaba.
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Abu Jaiyana 2. TRANSMISSION AND COMPILATION OF THE SUNNAH OF THE PROPHET S.A.W.
It is not enough that we have the Quran today but without the Sunnah of the Prophet s.a.w. because we would not be
able to understand FULLY the Quran, and Islam as a religion without the Sunnah of the Prophet s.a.w. because we
dont find the details of how to perform Salah, Zakah, Sawm, Hajj, Jihad, Akhlaqiya, et cetera, yet the Allah Himself
commanded us in many ayat in the Quran to follow and obey the Prophet s.a.w. and this is why the vast majority of
the Muslims since time immemorial believe that the Prophet left the Quran and the Sunnah for his Ummah.
Allah says:
"Believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet." [Al-Qur'an 7:158]
"Whoever does not believe in Allah and His Messenger, We have prepared a blaze for the unbelievers." [Al-Qur'an
48:13]
"Obey Allah and the Messenger and perhaps you will be shown mercy." [Al-Qur'an 3:132]
"We did not send any Messenger but for him to be obeyed by the permission of Allah." [Al-Qur'an 4:63]

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Like the case of the transmission of the Quran, the prophetic way and instructions through the sayings, actions,
approval, disapproval, etc, be it spiritual, social, political, history, et cetera. of the Prophet s.a.w. which we call the
Sunnah is transmitted by the Sahaba.
All hadiths from the Prophet came down to us through the Sahaba. Any hadith in which any of the Sahaba is missing
in the Isnad is considered defective, and can only be accepted if it is supported or corroborated by another hadith
which is considered as sahih (authentic).
My rafidi opponent, Qamar Muneer, may use hadiths to support his arguments against the Sahaba, but we will ask
him as to who narrated that hadith from the Prophet s.a.w.?
If he would say that it is narrated by at least one of the Sahaba, then Alhamdulillah, he would be supporting my case
about the superiority of the Sahaba over any other group of people after Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.
On the other hand, if my opponent would say that his hadiths are not narrated by any of the Sahaba, then I will not
accept them because how could the narrator narrate a hadith if he didnt meet the Prophet s.a.w.? If he meet or heard
the Prophet, then Alhamdulillah, he is one of the Sahaba!
Remember again folks that we are not dealing her with individual sahabi as a person, but the Sahaba as a group of
people as companions of the Prophet s.a.w.
Examples of the Sunnah are hadiths in Sahih Bukhari:
Volume 5, Book 57, Number 22:
Narrated Abu Said:
The Prophet said, "Do not abuse my companions for if any one of you spent gold equal to Uhud (in Allah's Cause) it
would not be equal to a Mud or even a half Mud spent by one of them."
Volume 5, Book 57, Number 3:
Narrated Abdullah:
The Prophet said, "The BEST PEOPLE are those living in my generation, and then those who will follow them, and
then those who will follow the latter.
Therefore, we can confidently conclude from the above premises that the Sunnah is transmitted by the Sahaba which
is inherently necessary and definitely in understanding the Quran and Islam as religion a whole, and that the Sunnah
itself testifies that the Sahaba of Prophet Muhammad are the best of people with a very sharp warning from the
Prophet s.a.w. to us not to abuse his Sahaba (companions).
My opponent here is clearly not following the instruction and warning of the Prophet s.a.w because he is her to
discredit the status of the Sahaba. It is a great disbelief (kufr) to willfully disobey and contradict the Sunnah of the
Prophet s.a.w.
The Prophet also said in another hadith in Sahih Bukhari:
Man raghiba an sunnati fa laysa minni
"Whoever abandons my Sunnah is not from me i.e. not a Muslim."
So if my shia opponent rejects the Sunnah of the Prophet, he is not a Muslim but a Kafir.
3. MAKING ISLAM SUPREME IN THE ARABIAN PENINSULA BY DEFEATING THE ROMAN AND PERSIAN
EMPIRES WHICH WERE THE SUPERPOWERS IN THE WORLD DURING THAT ERA.
In political aspect, history tells us that before the Messengership of Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. the Arabian Peninsula
is occupied by polytheists (mushriks), and the rulers were the Romans in as-Sham i.e. Greater Syria (Roman Empire)

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who were predominantly Christians, and the Persians in Persia, now Iran who were Majoos (magians) or fire
worshipers.
During the lifetime of the Prophet, with the help and effort of the Sahaba, by Allahs will they were able to clean
Madina and especially Makkah from polytheism.
After the death of the Prophet, the Sahaba continued to fight the Romans and the Persians until they were able to
drive them out from the Arabian Peninsula.
Had it not been because of the bravery of the Sahaba, the Iranians, Iraqis, Syrians and neighboring countries would
remain in darkness. The Iranians would have been fire worshippers until now if the Sahaba didnt fight them.
Alhamdulillah! Allah gave the Sahaba the strength and courage to fight the fire worshipper Iranians, so that many of
them came to know about Islam.
The Shia religion which is now based in Iran, which seems to be Islamic on the surface, should be thankful for the
Sahaba and praise them for freeing them from the tyranny of the Persian Empire, and from their mushrik religion,
majoosi.
I ask each and every one of you reading this debate
IS THERE ANY GROUP OF MUSLIMS AFTER PROPHET MUHAMMAD WHICH HAD SURPASSED OR EVEN
EQUALLED THE GREATEST CONTRIBUTIONS OF THE SAHABA AS ENUMERATED ABOVE???
If your answer is NO, then Alhamdulillah, the Sahaba are the best people after Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.
If your answer is YES, then
a. I will CEASE being a member of the Ahlul Sunnah, and I will EMBRACE shiaism:
b. I will hack my head and my back with a Samurai and Axe every 10th of Muharam,
c. I will have sex women through Muth,
d. I will not call Allah in my Dua, but I will call Ali and Husain instead,
BUT PLEASE, tell me first.
a) Which Quran did they transmit and where is it now?
b) Which Sunnah did they transmit which did not come through the Sahaba, and where is it now? and
c) Which Empires did they defeat and drive out from the Arabian Peninsula and expand the Muslim lands.
End of my presentation.
Thank You.
Like Reply 51 October 10 at 10:25am

Qamar Muneer A Brief Introduction about the Debate

In the name of Allah most merciful and beneficent, creator and Lord of the universe. May Allah guide those who seek
for truth and send his blessings to Holy Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) and his Ahlalbait.
This is a great opportunity for the researchers and truth seekers to know the Shia/Sunni_Salafi point of view about
Sahaba. The challenge was made to Shia Khairul Barriyah for this debate.
We have requested to www.shiasunni.info management to put this complete debate on the website. So this will be a
great opportunity for all the Muslims to know the true concept of Sahaba in Islam.
My opponent Abu Jaiyana who claims himself so called Ahlusunnah. But actually he belongs to pro Saudi

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Wahabi/Salafi school of thought. Sunni Muslim brothers around the world do not recognize them as a part of Sunni
school of thought but they just like to call them Wahabi/Salafi. The extreme version of this school of thought like ISIS
is called by Sunni scholars as Salafi_Kharji.
Like Reply 11 October 11 at 8:18am

Qamar Muneer Why I refuted the proposition

This is a vague term and misleading belief which confuse people about Islam and gives awful picture about Islam.
Allah and his Messenger taught us everything very clearly. So the people wont get confuse and at the Day
ofJudgement, people wont show any excuse. The proposition contradicts with the verses of Holy Quran, Sayings of
Prophet Mohammad and with the ground realities. The true Islamic concept about Sahaba is; Only righteous Sahaba
are the best people in Islam after Prophet Mohammad and AhlulBayt.
Like Reply 11 October 11 at 12:43pm Edited

Qamar Muneer A brief introduction about Sahaba

Anybody who became Muslim and saw the Prophet and got some company of the Prophet called Sahabi. Sahaba is
the plural of Sahabi. There were more than 100,000 Sahaba when Prophet (pbuh) departed from this world.
Generally there are three types of Sahaba. 1-Righteous Sahaba 2-Non-Righteous Sahaba.3-Hypocrite -Sahaba
Like Reply 13 October 11 at 8:20am

Qamar Muneer 1-Righteous Sahaba, they fulfilled their promise with Allah and his Messenger and truly remained on
the teachings of Islam until their last breath. (They are best people, after Ahlulbayt. May Allah bless the righteous
Sahaba. Loving the righteous Sahaba of Prophet Mohammad is a symbol of true faith).
Like Reply 12 October 11 at 8:21am

Qamar Muneer 2- Non-righteous Sahaba as a group (proofs from Quran and Hadith)
Those who did not follow the teachings of Islam completely and exactly. They cannot be the best people in Islam and
role Model for Muslim Ummah. They were given opportunity to have the company of the Prophet but they did not get
benefit of it.
As in the Holy Quran, We read about the Sahaba of previous Prophets. They were also witness of revelations and
miracles. But their desires over power them. The Israelites saw the miracles with their own eyes. They witnessed all
the signs of Allah. Prophet Moses left them for 40 nights but they turned away from their Prophet`s teachings.
Prophet Mohammad left his nation forever. Why not many Sahaba of Prophet Mohammad can go astray from the
teachings of their Prophet?
.
Quran mentions the situation of battle of AH-DHAB
Eyes became dull and hearts almost reached the throat when they attacked you from above and below and you
started to think of God with suspicion. There the believers were tested and shaken with a severe shaking. And when
the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is disease said, Allah and His Messenger did not promise us except
delusion,"
(Quran 33:10-12)
These verses are about non-righteous Sahaba. If we will pay attention on verse 33:12 we will see that there were
people among companions having disease in to their hearts (that faith could not penetrate deeply) and those Sahaba
were other than hypocrite Sahaba.

The Holy Quran mentioned them separately from hypocrites, those are the people who said at difficult situation the
messenger of Allah gave them false promises.
We all know that battle of Hunain was fought at the end time of the Holy Prophets life. Sahaba spent their lives with
the Prophet. But most of Sahaba run away from this last battle including Umar bin Khattab (as per narration of

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Bukhari), even Sahaba were in the majority as compare to the enemies.

Quran says: 9:25 God has helped you on many occasions including the day of Hunayn (name of a place near
Mecca). When you were happy with the number of your men who proved to be of no help to you and the whole vast
earth seemed to have no place to hide you (from your enemies) and you turned back in retreat.
Prophet Moahmmad (pbuh) said to his Sahaba. After me you will have greed of Government and you will regret at the
Day of Judgement. Here is Bukhari Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet ( )said, "You people will be keen to have the authority of ruling which will be a thing of regret for you
on the Day of Resurrection. What an excellent wet nurse it is, yet what a bad weaning one it is!"
Book 93 Hadith12
Prophet Mohammed told to his Sahaba you will be taken away from me at the pond of kauthar and I will be told about
you that guys introduced innovations after me.
Here is Bukhari Narrated `Abdullah:
The Prophet ( )said, "I am your predecessor at the Lake-Fount (Kauthar) and some men amongst you will be
brought to me, and when I will try to hand them some water, they will be pulled away from me by force whereupon I
will say, 'O Lord, my companions!' Then the Almighty will say, 'You do not know what they did after you left, they
introduced new things into the religion after you.' Bukhari Book 92 Hadith2
Confession of an Ansari Sahabi for committing the innovations after the Prophet
Bara bin Azib who confessed himself that they performed innovations (as a group) after the Prophet. The Arabic word
means. We committed the innovations. Here is Bukahri met Al-Bara bin `Azib and said (to him). "May you live
prosperously? You enjoyed the company of the Prophet ( )and gave him the Pledge of allegiance (of AlHudaibiya) under the Tree." On that, Al- Bara' said, "O my nephew! You do not know what we have done after him
(i.e. his death)
Book 64, Hadith 212
The Holy Prophet told his Companion Ammar bin Yasir that a rebellious group will kill you. They will invite Ammar
towards hell fire. Ammar bin Yasir (ra) was killed in the battle of Safeen against Moawiya. Moawiya bin Abu Sufyan
was the head of that rebellious group and a Mohajir Companion Amr ibn al-As was the assistant of Moawiya for
leading that rebellious group. Many thousands Sahaba got killed from both sides. The Holy Prophet told as group that
a rebellious group which was made up by Sahaba will go to hell fire and will invite Ammar towards hell fire.
Here is Bukhari Narrated `Ikrima:
Ibn `Abbas said to me and to his son `Ali, "Go to Abu Sa`id and listen to what he narrates." So we went and found
him in a garden looking after it. He picked up his Rida', wore it and sat down and started narrating till the topic of the
construction of the mosque reached. He said, "We were carrying one adobe at a time while `Ammar was carrying
two. The Prophet ( )saw him and started removing the dust from his body and said, "May Allah be Merciful to
`Ammar. He will be inviting them (i.e. his murderers, the rebellious group) to Paradise and they will invite him to Hellfire." `Ammar said, "I seek refuge with Allah from affliction." Book 8 hadith96
I think this is all enough to prove a non-righteous group among Sahaba
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Qamar Muneer 3- Hypocrite _Sahaba

After knowing the non-righteous Sahaba. It is important to know about hypocrites who were in the form of Sahaba.
Those people who converted to Islam but actually they were not Muslim from their inside. For the Muslim society,
they were also part of Sahaba. Quran says: 9:101 And among those around you of the bedouins are hypocrites, and
[also] from the people of Madinah. They have become accustomed to hypocrisy. You, [O Muhammad], do not know
them, [but] we know them. We will punish them twice [in this world]; then they will be returned to a great punishment
.
As Allah (swt) said there were lots of hypocrites in Medina and surroundings. For the Prophet and other Muslims they
were Sahaba. They cannot be best at all even though they were part of the Muslim community.
In order to get true Islamic teachings and to establish the true Islamic belief about Sahaba. It is very important to
separate hypocrites and non-righteous Sahaba from the righteous Sahaba
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ONLY THE RIGHTEOUS SAHABA ARE BEST PEOPLE IN ISLAM AFTER PROPHET MOHAMMAD (PBUH) AND
AHLULBAYT.
Like Reply 17 October 11 at 8:25am

Qamar Muneer Salafi corruption about Sahaba

As my opponent Abu Jaiyana said When the Ahlul Sunnah mentions the word Sahaba, we immediately think of the
Muhajireen and the Ansar THIS IS SO FUNNY THINKING
There were thousands of other Sahaba who were not part of Mohajreen and Ansar, Why you do not think about them
being Sahaba
Like Reply 16 October 11 at 8:26am

Qamar Muneer Salafi corruption in the teachings of Islam

My opponent made a claim that Sahaba are the best people after the Prophet. This is a corruption in the teachings of
Islam. The true teachings of Islam say: Ahlulbayt are the best after Prophet Mohammad then righteous Sahaba.
Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) introduced Imam Ali, Lady Fatima,Imam Hassan and Hussain as Ahlulbayt. Ahlulbayt are
the Master of all Sahaba including righteous Sahaba.
The Holy Prophet left Quran and Ahlulbayt behind him and ordered Sahaba to follow them. Prophet ordered Sahaba
to say SAWALAT on Ahlulbayt along with me.
If any Sahabi made refusal to send Salwat on Ahlyulbayt. His prayer was invalid. It is very important to recognize the
special status of Ahlulbayt upon all the Sahaba.
So after Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) Ahlulbayt are the best people and Master of all the Sahaba. Then only the
righteous Sahaba are best upon all Islamic Ummah!
Like Reply 11 October 11 at 8:27am

Qamar Muneer Corruption in the verses of Holy Quran

People make corruption in the verses of Holy Quran in order to justify their false myth about Sahaba.

The verse 9:100 carrying MIN

which gives the meanings Allah is pleased with the People among

Mohajreen and Ansar who first embrace Islam. This verse does not gives meanings all the Mohajreen and Ansaar.
This is false claim on behalf of 9:100 that Allah announced about all the Mohajreen and Ansar. Where they will take
away word MIN from this verse? The MIN means selected people from immigrants and helpers!
Like Reply 14 October 11 at 8:30am

Qamar Muneer Another misinterpretation about the verse 48:18. This verse clearly says Allah got pleased with
Momneen
Momneen means those Sahaba who were truly faithful. Islam was deeply penetrated in to their
hearts. There is a difference between general believers (Muslims) and Momneen. Allah swt truly knew the heart
situation of everyone. This is the reason Allah used the word Momneen which means only true righteous Sahaba but
NOT ALL!!
IF my opponent does not know the difference between Momin and Muslim. I can show him from the Holy Quran and
Sahih Muslim.
Like Reply 14 October 11 at 8:31am

Qamar Muneer There is another misinterpretation about the verse 3:110. We cannot apply this verse on all the
Sahaba. This verse is about the righteous Sahaba. Only righteous Sahaba were the best people. But not all of them.
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Qamar Muneer My opponents presentation is very shallow and ONLY BASED ON EMOTIONS. It contradicts with
the facts and ground realities
Explanation about making Islam supreme in the Arabian
Peninsula by defeating the Roman and Persian empires
Islam is not all about to conquering the world. But it is truly acting upon the teachings of Islam and spreading Islam
with the great character and amazing teachings of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh).
For your information (1) Islam was already a supreme power in Arabian Peninsula in the life of Prophet Mohammad
(pbuh).
(2) The Islam which exists in Persia (Iran) now a days in majority. This is the true face of Islam which is very different
than the Islam which came over there with the sword!
We all know this fact that Iranian nation converted to Shia Islam centuries after the sword Islam!
I would like to mention here the great Prophecy of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh) The Prophet said to his Companion
Soliman who was from Persia. The Prophet said: People from the nation of Soliman will get the faith even though
faith in the Galaxy. We can read this narration in Bukhari, chapter Kitab Al Tafsir, Tafsir of Surah Juma,a. Dont worry
about Iranian Islam. Iranian Islam is testified by Prophet Mohammad (pbuh
We cannot ignore these facts due to the ruler ship of early Sahaba. Islam and Muslim Ummah both got destroyed.
This is the result of their Governments that Sahaba killed other Sahaba in the battle of Jamal and Safeen. Thousands
and thousands Sahaba got killed from the hands of each other. Who is responsible? The Prophet (pbuh) said: One
tribe of Quraysh (Banu Ummayyah) will destroy my nation stay away from them. Who is responsible for giving all the
powers to Umayyad and they brought all the destruction in Muslim Ummah? We all know Sahaba killed each other,
tragedy of Karbala happened, destruction in Medina happened, thousands of people got killed in Medina, hundreds of
women got raped in Medina, wall of Ka,aba got destroyed. This is all enough to blow up your Umayyad made
theories!
Like Reply 16 October 11 at 8:33am
Qamar Muneer Explanation about the Compilation and transmission and preservation of the Quran
The Holy Quran was compiled during the life time of the Holy Prophet (pbuh). Quran testifies. (2:2) This is a book
KITAB , surely there is no doubt in it. This is a Quranic proof that Quran was compiled during the life time of the Holy
Prophet. The Quran was compiled during the time of the Prophet (pbuh). This is the reason word KITAB is used.
Hadith al-thaqlain is proven in both Shia-Sunni sources that Prophet left behind BOOK OF ALLAH AND
AHLULBAYT. The Messenger of Allah himself used word book. It proves that Quran was already compiled during the
life of the Prophet and was in the form of book. There is no doubt that the righteous Sahaba of the Prophet, recited
the Quran, memorized it and transmitted to other generations. We are thankful to the righteous Sahaba.
Like Reply 16 October 11 at 8:34am

Qamar Muneer Explanation about the transmission and Compilation of Sunnah of the Prophet
We cannot give this credit to all Sahaba that they transmitted the Sunnah of the Prophet correctly and exactly. If all
the Sahaba transmitted the Sunnah correctly and exactly. Then why there is contradiction in Ahadith and why there
are so many school of thoughts among Sunnis? Only the righteous Sahaba of the Prophet transmitted the Sunnah of
the Prophet exactly and correctly. We are only thankful to the righteous Sahaba. May Allah reward them abundantly!
END OF PRESENTATION
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Nass Abinal Brothers from Tacurong, Abu Jaiyana and California, Qamar Muneer are now debating on the
proposition.
InshaaAllaah, we will benefit from their knowledge on the issue.
The Muslim Ummah is Watching.
Like Reply 14 October 11 at 10:21am Edited

Abu Jaiyana REBUTTAL

Bismillahir-Rahamanir-Rahim
I thank Qamar Muneer for his presentation against the Sahaba of the Prophet s.a.w. He is really showing us the real
faith, ill- feelings, and hatred of the shia rawafids towards the Sahaba of our beloved Prophet s.a.w.
There are lots of issued which were brought up by Qamar Muneer in his presentation which have nothing to do, not
relevant, to the proposition of this debate. Our debate proposition is very clear:
Resolve: THE SAHABA ARE THE BEST PEOPLE IN ISLAM AFTER THE PROPHET s.a.w.
Folks, I presented three arguments based on historical facts which prove that the Sahaba were the best people in
Islam after the Prophet s.a.w.
I NEVER EVER attributed and credited those historical facts to one or some Sahaba only, but to all the Sahaba of the
Prophet as one group of people despite the fact that I already have recognized in the beginning of my presentation
that some Sahaba are higher in rank compared to other Sahaba.
Qamar Muneer, instead of dealing with the term Sahaba as a whole tried to allude that Sahaba mean some sahaba
so his focus was about some sahaba only instead of all the Sahaba as a whole.
It is called the DEFINIST FALLACY. The definist fallacy occurs when someone unfairly defines a term so that a
controversial position is made easier to defend.
From The Sahaba to SOME Sahaba but the topic is clear, it is The Sahaba not Some Sahaba there you go,
THE FALLACY IS EXPOSED!
Now, even if ill give the favor to Qamar Muneer by agreeing to him for the sake of argument that some Sahaba may
have some personal problems, that doesnt change and doesnt refute or even diminish the strength of my three
arguments in my presentation because Qamar Muneer did not disagree, let alone satisfactorily refute my evidences:
1. The Sahaba were the ones who compiled and transmitted the Quran to us.
Without the Quran, there is NO ISLAM TODAY as we know it because all the major types of worship commanded by
Allah are in the Quran, and we accept and follow it because Allah says so in the Quran.
Qamar Muneer said that there is no problem with it because the Quran is already a Book kitab even before it was
compiled by the Sahabah as indicated in Surah 2:2.
This is very lousy response folks because the word Kitab used by Allah in that verse refers to the whole Quran sent
down from Lahw Al Mahfooz to the lowest heaven, which is why it is called Kitab by Allah even before it was
completely revealed to Prophet Muhammad s.a.w.
The Qurn that I am referring is the complete revelation of the whole Quran to the Prophet s.a.w. and this Quran was
written, compiled, memorized, and transmitted to us by the Sahaba. The Quran which the Ahlul Sunnah and the Shia
Rawafids are holding right now are from the effort of the Sahaba, NOT FROM THE 12 IMAMS that is my point why
in my argument I consider the Sahaba to be the best people in Islam after the Prophet.
Qamar Muneer could not refute this argument because it is based on historical facts. Even the Shia ayatollahs and

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allamahs could not deny that our Quran today was written, memorized, compiled, transmitted and even standardized
by the Sahaba starting from the scribes of the Prophet, then during the Caliphate of Abubakr As-Siddiq, and during
the Caliphate of Uthman bin Affan r.a. respectively Who are these great people??? The Sahaba of course!!!!
Qamar Muneer tried to separate the Family of Ali as specific members of the Ahlulbayt, but he did not deny or refute
that they are Sahaba of the Prophet at the same time.
Even if we agree to Qamar Muneers lame alibi for the sake of argument, we ask, Which Quran did the Family of Ali
bring? Is there any Quran other than the Quran transmitted by the Sahaba??? The answer is NO!!!
According to some shia rawafids, yes, there is but it was brought by their BOGUS 12th Imam in the cave very bad
man if he existed at all.
So this cant be used as factual evidence. In shia book of hadith Al Kafi, there is a HYPOTHETICAL QURAN OF
FATIMA r.a. which is three (3) times bigger than the Quran of the Sahaba where is it now?
Perhaps Qamar Muneer doesnt believe in those hypothetical Quran because he didnt use them as evidences in
refuting my first argument that the Quran was only transmitted by the Sahaba. Qamar Muneer may have realized that
as soon as he cite them as evidences, he would have a mountain of problem if I will ask him where are those Qurans
now.
Therefore, my first argument still stands.
Like Reply 13 October 11 at 5:29pm

Abu Jaiyana 2. In my second evidence, that the Sunnah was transmitted by the Sahaba, Qamar Muneer said that
we cant give the credit to all the Sahaba, but who says that each and every Sahaba transmitted a hadith from the
Prophet? He is making something out from nothing so to speak!
I am not talking the Sahaba as individual persons folks that is why I didnt give the credit to any specific sahabi
because I am referring to the Sahaba as a whole in their effort in transmitting the Sunnah, not as individual persons.
Go back to the topic again,
The Sahaba Are The Best of PEOPLE PEOPLE folks, not individual persons.
Qamar Muneer said that why did the Sahaba reported contradictory hadiths this is gross ignorance about usool
hadith folks.
Sahih Hadiths dont contradict to each other simply BECAUSE THE PROPHET DID NOT CONTRADICT HIMSELF.
The contradiction is in the unauthentic hadiths and that is due to the chain of narrators after the Sahaba, not because
of the Sahaba themselves.
I could give a lecture about usool hadith to my opponent here in order to educate him about mustalah al hadith but
that would require more words.
WHO COULD POSSIBLY NARRATE HADITHS ABOUT THE PROPHET OTHER THAN THE EYE-WITNESSES i.e.
COMPANIONS OF THE PROPHET???
Lets wait if Qamar Muneer could give a satisfactory answer to it in his rebuttal.
The bottom line here is Qamar Muneer did not mention any group of People who may have transmitted the Sunnah of
the Prophet s.a.w. He mentioned the Family of Ali such as Haz. Fatima, Hasan, and Husain r.a. but they are included
in the definition of Sahaba besides being members of the Ahlul Bayt because they saw, talked, accompanied the
Prophet and they died as Muslims, SO THEY ARE SAHABA BY NECESSITY, AND BY DEFINITION.
I could confidently say that my second argument still stands!
3. Qamar Muneer refuted my last evidence for the Sahaba that they made Islam supreme in the Arabian Peninsula

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and drove out the Romans and the Persians.

Qamar Muneer said that Islam is already supreme during the lifetime of the Prophet that is FALSE folks because
only Madina and Makkah and nearby areas were controlled by the Muslims which is very small compared to the
controlled areas of the Roman Empire and of the Persian Empire.
As a matter of fact, just before the Prophet died, he sent an Army under Usama bin Zaid to the Levant in order to
avenge the defeat of the Muslims against the Romans. So where is the supremacy their???
Islam became supreme when the Sahaba defeated the Romans and the Persians. That is history folks, not theory.
Qamar Muneer said that Islam is not about war or conquering lands. He said this because he cant deny that it was
the Sahaba who defeated the great empires of that time.
If making Jihad against the oppressors has nothing to do with Islam, then why did the Prophet wage war against the
disbelievers? Why do we see many commandment for Jihad in the Quran against the oppressors?
Moroever, it is a very shallow understanding of the Jihad made by the Sahaba against the oppressive empires. The
defeat of those oppressive empires by the Sahaba is not for the sake of defeating them, but most importantly,
removing the oppression in the Arabian Peninsula, removing the threat against the Muslims, and freeing the Muslims
who were oppressed by the Romans and the Persian in their economic, political, as well as religious matters.
That is why I said that had the Sahaba failed to defeat the Persians, the Iranians today are still worshipping the fire
they are still MAJOOSI. It is good that the Shia Iranians and Iraqis today came to hear about Islam though they still
cling to their MAJOOSI religion, shia Rafida.
My third argument still stands!
In summary, if Qamar would insist the Family of Ali, or their 11 plus 1 BOGUS Imams, or their Ayatollahs or all of
them combined against the Sahaba, then we ask the same Questions again about the TRANSMISSION OF THE
QURAN, THE SUNNAH, AND THE DEFEAT OF THE TWO GREAT EMPIRES OF THE WORLD.
Thanks.
Like Reply 21 October 11 at 5:30pm
Qamar Muneer Rebuttal
In the name of Allah most merciful and beneficent.
In the presentation I have given maximum explanation about the three groups of Sahaba and I have provided
sufficient proofs from the Holy Quran and Hadith that there were mainly three groups of Sahaba.
1-Righteous Sahaba 2- Non-Righteous Sahaba 3-Hypchirtes_Sahaba.
MY OPPONENT ABU JAIYANA COULD NOT REFUTE EVEN ONE PROOF AGAINST HIS OWN PROPOSITION
Like Reply 9 October 12 at 5:29am

Qamar Muneer Shia punch # 1

He did not refute any evidence provided by me about Non-Righteous Sahaba. It automatically means that there were
non-righteous Sahaba as a group among more than 100,000 Sahaba.
Like Reply 11 October 12 at 5:30am

Qamar Muneer Shia punch # 2

Abu Jaiyana did not refute the verse 9:101 which says there were lots of hypocrites as group in Medina and in the
surroundings of Medina. For the society they were Sahaba. Allah swt says we know about them and we will give
them double punishment. Abu Jaiyana could not refute the evidence of hypocrite Sahaba.
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Qamar Muneer Shia punch # 3

Shia Khairul Barriyya are the lovers of Righteous Sahaba
Abu Jaiyana accused me giving the presentation against Sahaba. But actually Shias are the lovers and defenders of
true righteous Sahaba.
Shia Khairul Barriyyah theory separates hypocrite Sahaba and Non-righteous Sahaba from the righteous Sahaba and
says: only righteous Sahaba are the best. Because this makes sense and give justice to the righteous Sahaba.
Like Reply 12 October 12 at 5:34am

Qamar Muneer Shia punch # 4

Salafists are the enemies of Righteous Sahaba
Salafist are the enemies of righteous Sahaba. When Salafists say Sahaba are the best people in Islam
This theory provides protection to all hypocrite Shaba and all non-righteous Sahaba who made innovations after the
Prophet.
The Prophet told about non-righteous Sahaba that they will go to hell fire.
Salafist mix all hypocrites and non-righteous Sahaba with the righteous Sahaba.
Salafist do injustice with the righteous Sahaba and misguide people on the name of Sahaba.
Like Reply 12 October 12 at 5:42am

Qamar Muneer Shia punch # 5

Salafist are the enemy of Ahlulbayt
The Holy Prophet introduced Imam Ali, Lady Fatima, Imam Hassan and Imam Hussain as Ahlulbayt. The Prophet told
Sahaba I am leaving among you Quran and Ahlulbayt. Say Salwat on Ahlulbayt along with me. It means Ahlulbayt
are the Master of all Sahaba and higher ranking above all.
Abu Jaiyana just said Ahlulbayt are basically Sahaba. This is a corruption in the teachings of Islam. For example if
there is a group of people. 5 of them earned PhD degree and 5 of them are high school graduate. There is no doubt
that those 5 who are PhD that also had high school diploma. But we cannot say those all 10 people are high school
graduate. This is called injustice and corruption.
Salafist do not recognise the special status of Ahlulbyt. They mix them up with hypocrite Sahaba, Non-righteous
Sahaba and righteous Sahaba.
They come up with their myth SAHABA ARE THE BEST PEOPLE.
Like Reply 13 October 12 at 5:44am

Qamar Muneer Shia punch # 6

Your arguments about Shaba are the one who compiled Quran and transmitted.
I have already explained in the presentation but you failed to understand the brief explanation. The Holy Quran was
compiled during the life of Holy Prophet and arrangement of Surah was also done with the Prophets orders and
instructions.
This is the reason that Surah Fateha is in the beginning which is called opening of the book. Surah 2:2 says there is
no doubt in this book.
The Prophet said I am leaving two things behind me Book of Allah and my Ahlulbayt.
These facts prove that Quran was already complied by the Prophet. There is no doubt that righteous Sahaba of the
Prophet were keen to learn Quran, they recited Quran, and they memorized Quran and helped the Prophet in
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But the Quran is given to this Ummah by the Messenger of Allah. Those Sahaba who helped the Prophet in
compilation, we give our attribute to them and salute them. May Allah reward them abundantly.
It also seems true to me that the third Caliph Uthman burnt many different copies of Quran and published Quran by
making many copies and sent to different area.
I hope you wont mind this example. The Saudi king is publishing thousands of copies of Quran and spreading it in
the world. But himself he is doing all kind corruption and everything against the Holy Quran. Do you think it will help
him? Actually Quran curse on such people!
Imam Ali had own copy of Quran with same text but it had interpretation and explaination about the verses of Quran.
Mashaf Fatima was written by the daughter of the Holy Prophet also had same text as present Quran. The
interpretation explanation on the verses was written by the daughter of the Prophet. This is the reason. It was
lengthy.
Ahlulbayt did not spreaded those copies because (1) The original text was not different the text in present Quran (2) If
Ahlulbayt would spread the Quran with their explanation, Muslim Ummah would get confuse with the two Quran.
When Imam Mahdi as will come, he will also show the Quran with the explanation written by Imam Ali and Lady
Fatima.
Let us come to the topic: Only those Sahaba are respectful who learnt Quran from the Prophet, helped the Prophet in
compilation and they acted upon the teachings of the Holy Quran.
But those Sahaba who disregarded the teachings of Holy Quran and rejected the Sunnah of the Prophet, they do not
deserve for any regard and they are not the best people!
Like Reply 12 October 12 at 6:40am Edited

Qamar Muneer Shia punch # 7

Your arguments Sahaba made Islam supreme power in the word
Islam got already powerful in Arab area in Prophet`s life. The early verses of Surah 9 against Mushrikeen support this
claim.
The Prophet spreaded Islam in a short time with his beautiful teachings, with his kindness and mercy and also with
the defence Jihad.
Preparing the Army of Osama was also act of defensive Jihad to stop Romanians. Abu Bakar and Umar both were
under the command of a Young companion Osama according to the Prophets order. Later on when they occupied
the Government and spreaded Islam according their way.
I did not deny that Iran and Roam were not conquered after the Prophet. This the reason I used the word sword
Islam.
Like Reply 9 October 12 at 6:40am Edited

Qamar Muneer Shia punch # 8

I asked you many questions but you failed to answer me. We cannot ignore the facts although Islam was speeded in
the world with sword by Sahaba. But Islam itself and Muslim Ummah also both got destroyed by Sahaba.
This is because of the policies of your earlier Caliph rulers who got the Government after the Prophet. They are the
responsible that thousands and thousands Sahaba killed each other in Jamal and Safeen.
The Prophet said stay away from Umayyad they will destroy my nation. Your first three Caliphs are responsible for
bringing Umayyad in to power. In the result tragedy of Karbala happened, destruction of Medina happened,
thousands of sons of Sahaba got killed in Medina, hundreds of women got raped in Medina, and the wall of Ka,aba
got destroyed.
You are dancing that Sahaba spreaded Islam with sword in Iran and Roam. But I am crying on the destruction of
Islam and Muslim Ummah which is also done by Sahaba
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Qamar Muneer Shia punch # 9

If you respect Prophets Hadith and your own Bukhari. Then you should respect Iranian Islam. Because the Prophet
testified the Iranian Islam. Bukhari, chapter Kitab al tafseer, tafseer Surah Juma. Your Wahabi/Salafi cult is just
created in 1737 by British spy Hempher. You guys are doing great job for them by promoting terrorism and bringing
bad name for Islam.
Like Reply 12 October 12 at 5:51am

Qamar Muneer Shia punch # 10

Explanation about Sunnah
We are thankful to many righteous Sahaba who truly transmitted the Sunnah of the Prophet. I would like to mention
here some names Abu Saeed Khudri, Abdullah bin Masood, Abu Dhar, Jabir bin Abdullah Ansari, Ibn e Abbas and
many more.
This is also a fact that many Sahaba knowingly transmitted the wrong Sunnah and made fake narrations. For
example Abu Hurairah who came up more than 5000 narrations. Abu Hurairah confessed himself that I told the hadith
from my own pocket. Bukhari chapter supporting the family book69 hadith5
Proof that people used to tell Abu Hurairah on his face that you make lies on the name of Holy Prophet. Sahih Muslim
book24 hadith5233
Abu Hurairah told a funny hadith that Prophet Solomon had sex with 100 wives in one night. Bukhari Book 67, Hadith
175
Another narration says 90, another narration says70 and also another says 70. This story itself is very funny came
from Abu Hurairah.
If we say this is the fault of narrators then the whole foundation of Salafism gets blown up. It proves that the narrators
of Bukhari are not trustworthy. Salafism is based on Bukhari.
END OF REBUTTIL
Like Reply 11 October 12 at 5:52am
Abu Jaiyana CONCLUSION
Peace be unto all the readers of this debate.
It is now time to evaluate whether or not the arguments presented by the affirmative side are refuted satisfactorily by
the negative side.
The issue in this debate is whether or not the Sahaba were the best people after the Prophet s.a.w.
In my presentation, I presented three arguments which prove that the Sahaba were the best of people after the
Prophet s.a.w. namely;
1. The compilation and transmission of the Quran to us by the Sahaba; that we dont have any Quran today other
than what the Sahaba had transmitted
This argument was never refuted by the negative side because he cant show any Quran other than the Quran which
was NOT transmitted by the Sahaba.
He mentioned the Quran of Ali and Fatima r.a. but he was very shy to admit that those Qurans were fictitious and
hypothetical they dont exist, and they dont have them that is why they cant show them YOU CANT SHOW
WHAT YOU DONT HAVE!
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Abu Jaiyana 2. The writing, and transmission of the Sunnah of the Prophet by the Sahaba which is inherently
essential in understanding the Quran in its entirety. The Quran cant be fully understood without the Sunnah of the
Prophet s.a.w.
Qamar Muneer said that the Sunnah is transmitted to us by the righteous Sahaba only, but the bottom-line is that
they are still Sahaba, NOT OTHER PEOPLE.
Qamar Muneer has no choice but to admit that the QURAN AND THE SUNNAH WERE TRANSMITTED TO BY THE
SAHABA, not by any other group of people, not even by their 12 Imams.
No Quran, no Islam, and No Sunnah, the Quran cant be fully understood.
a. We have the Quran now because the SAHABA transmitted it to us.
b. We have understood the Quran because of the Sunnah of the Prophet which is also transmitted to us by the
SAHABA
WHO COULD BE BETTER THAN THE SAHABA if these are really FACTS IN HISTORY?
We owe Islam to ALLAH, then to the PROPHET s.a.w. then to the SAHABA that is why THE SAHABA ARE THE
BEST OF PEOPLE after Prophet s.a.w.
Like Reply 5 October 13 at 8:18am

Abu Jaiyana 3. The defeat of the great empires of the world, Roman, and Persian by the Sahaba which made Islam
supreme in the Arabian Peninsula.
Qamar Muneer insisted that Islam was already supreme even before the Prophets death, but supreme in what
sense?
Who were governing, imposing tribute (tax) in the Arabian Peninsula before the Jihad of the Sahaba against the
Romans and the Persians?
Qamar Muneer did NOT DENY but admitted and confirmed that it was the Sahaba who did this effort of Jihad
THANKS TO HIM!!!
Qamar Muneer criticized it and called it SWORD ISLAM but JIHAD is commanded by Allah, and was done by the
Prophet s.a.w.
Qamar Muneer became a KAFIR because he is criticizing an act, Jihad, which is clearly mandated by Allah in the
Quran and was also done by the Prophet s.a.w. He should repent from his KUFR!!!
Like Reply 5 October 13 at 8:19am

Abu Jaiyana Qamar Muneer is murmuring about his so-called shia punches because they were not responded.
I call them as SHIA PUNCHES IN THE AIR they HIT NOTHING in this debate that is why there is no need to
allocate word counts for them.
This debate is NOT about the CATEGORIES of every sahabi or groups of sahaba.
This debate is about the STATUS of the SAHABA as ONE GROUP OF PEOPLE as COMPARED to ANY GROUP
OF PEOPLE after the Prophet.
Qamar Muneer said that Ali, Fatima, Hasan, and Husain were the best, and not the Sahaba this is VERY
RIDICULOUS because the above-mentioned names are ALL SAHABA by definition and by necessity because THEY
SAW, TALKED, ACCOMPANIED THE PROPHET, AND THEY DIED AS MUSLIMS.

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Therefore, those people were MEMBERS OF THE FAMILY of the Prophet but THEY WERE ALL SAHABA AT THE
SAME TIME.
READ ANY BOOK OF HADITH folks under the chapter VIRTUES AND MERITS OF THE SAHABA, you would find in
the list the names of Ali, Fatima, Hasan, and Husain because THEY ARE ALL CONSIDERED AS SAHABA.
Qamar Muneer should compose a NEW meaning of the word Sahaba before he can DETACH the Family of Ali from
the group of the Sahaba I DONT THINK HE CAN.tongue emoticon
Like Reply 6 October 13 at 8:20am

Abu Jaiyana I could debunk easily those silly attacks made by Qamar Muneer against the Sahaba if I wanted to but I
didnt because they are not directly related to the points I made, and the WORD COUNT IN THIS DEBATE IS VERY
LIMITED especially in the rebuttal and THERE IS ONLY ONE SHORT REBUTTAL, and a very short conclusion.
For example, he mentioned the retreat of some Sahaba in the Battle of Hunain because the enemies ambushed them
and they were in difficult situation
Is that a sign of COWARDICE?
NO!!! Unless Qamar Muneer would consider the Prophet and his Sahaba as A BUNCH OF COWARDS when THEY
RETREATED TO MOUNT UHUD when they were overwhelmed by the enemies.
Had the word count limit in the rebuttal not very short, I would debunk all those silly arguments of Qamar even if they
are NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO THE ISSUE in this debate.
We could have another debate about those SIDE ISSUES in some other time.
REMEMBER!
Qamar Muneer, FAILED TO GIVE US ANY GROUP OF PEOPLE who could be compared to the Sahaba.
What is WORSE is that he gave us PEOPLE WHO WERE THEMSELVES Sahaba.
Alhamdulillah! I would not hack my back and my head with samurai and Axe as, call Ali or Husain instead of Allah,
and sex by mutah as promised.
Jazakallaho Khair! wink emoticon
Like Reply 6 October 13 at 8:30am
Qamar Muneer Conclusion
I am thankful to Allah swt for this opportunity that I have clarified the true Islamic faith about Sahaba in this debate. I
am thankful to Brother Nass Abinalfor granting us this opportunity and all of my brothers and sisters in Islam who
watched this debate patiently and supported me.
Like Reply 7 October 13 at 1:33pm

Qamar Muneer In this debate I was the defender and supporter of righteous Sahaba of Prophet Mohammad (pbuh). I
have exposed the corruption and cheating in Islam. I have exposed the injustice with the righteous Sahaba. Those
people who do not differentiate Righteous Sahaba from non-righteous Sahaba and hypocrite _Sahaba. They hide the
truth and show the awful picture of Islam.
There were more than 100,000 Sahaba. Only the righteous Sahaba are the best people in Islam after Prophet
Mohammad (pbhu) and Ahlulbayt.
This debate provides an opportunity to the readers to know that Shia Islam separates false from truth and only
considers righteous people as their role Model.
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Qamar Muneer Shia Victory proof # 1

This claim that Sahaba are the best people after Prophet Mohammad pbuh. It contradicts with the true teachings of
Islam. I have proven the special status of Ahlulbayt in my presentation that Ahlulbayt are the Master of all Sahaba.
My opponent could not refute me in the debate!!
We cannot mix up Masters and followers all together. The true Islamic belief which is proven in this debate is: After
Prophet Mohammad Ahlulbayt are the best people then only the righteous Sahaba!
Like Reply 8 October 13 at 1:34pm

Qamar Muneer Shia Victory proof # 2

My opponent tried to play with the verses of Holy Quran in order to justify his false claim. But Al-Hamdulillah I
corrected him especially the verse 9:100. I did not leave any ground for my opponent to prove his false theory about
Sahaba from the Holy Quran.
Like Reply 8 October 13 at 1:35pm

Qamar Muneer Shia Victory proof # 3

My opponent could not refute the verse 9:101 which proves that there were large number of hypocrites in Medina and
the surroundings of Medina. They were all in the form of Shaba. This is the reason Allah swt revealed the Surah
a...See More
Like Reply 6 October 13 at 1:35pm
Qamar Muneer Shia Victory proof # 4
In the debate I mentioned the verse 33:12 ` It was there that the hypocrites and those whose hearts were sick, said,
"The promise of God and His Messenger has proved to be nothing but deceit". ...See More
Like Reply 8 October 13 at 1:36pm
Qamar Muneer Shia Victory proof # 5
My opponent could not refute the verse 9:25 which proves that Sahaba run away from the battle of Hunain while
leaving the Holy Prophet in danger. As per narration of Bukhari Umar bin Khattab was also among them. The battle of
Hunain was fought at the end life time of the Prophet.
Like Reply 8 October 13 at 1:36pm

Qamar Muneer Shia Victory proof # 6

My opponent could not refute the narration of Bukhari that the Holy Prophet called the one army of Sahaba (which
was led by Moawiya in Safeen). The Prophet called this group of Shaba as rebellious group. According to the Prophet
they will call Ammar toward hell fire.
Like Reply 7 October 13 at 1:37pm

Qamar Muneer Shia Victory proof # 7

My opponent failed to refute the hadith of Bukhari that One prominent Ansari Sahabi Bara,a bin A,azib confessed
himself that we committed innovations after the Prophet.
Like Reply 9 October 13 at 1:37pm

Qamar Muneer Shia Victory proof # 8

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My opponent could not refute the hadith of Bukhari in the debate that Prophet told to his Sahaba that you will have
greed of Government after me and at the Day of Judgment you will regret.
Like Reply 9 October 13 at 1:37pm

Qamar Muneer Shia Victory proof # 9

My opponent could not refute the Hadith of Bukhari that Prophet Mohammed (pbuh) told to his Sahaba you will be
taken away from me at the pond of kauthar and I will be told about you that guys introduced innovations after me
Like Reply 10 October 13 at 1:38pm

Qamar Muneer Shia Victory proof # 10

I have already made it clear for my opponent that the Prophet (pbuh) spreaded Islam with his beautiful teachings,
with his mercy and kindness and also with the defensive Jihad. The sword Islam which was adopted by the rulers
af...See More
Like Reply 11 October 13 at 1:38pm

Qamar Muneer In this debate I have recognized the status of righteous Sahaba. Only righteous Sahaba are holding
great status in Islam and in Muslim Ummah after Ahlulbayt. The righteous Sahaba of the Prophet sacrificed
everything for Islam. The righteous Sahaba fulfilled their promise with Allah and His Messenger and they transmitted
the true teachings of Quran o Sunnah truly and perfectly.. May Allah reward them abundantly.
Like Reply 10 October 13 at 1:39pm

Qamar Muneer But those Sahaba who did not care about the teachings of Quran and they corrupted the Sunnah of
the Prophet. They misguided people. It does not make sense that still they are best people in Islam.
Like Reply 10 October 13 at 1:40pm
Nass Abinal We are done with this debate. Everybody may now give their thoughts on the just concluded dialogue in
an orderly manner.
Like Reply 5 October 13 at 11:24pm Edited

Important comments from the audience:

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