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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

EASTERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK
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UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
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MOHAMMED WALI ZAZI
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BEFORE:
10-CR-60 (JG)
U.S. Courthouse
Brooklyn, New York
July 18, 2011

9:30 a.m.
HONORABLE JOHN GLEESON

United States District Judge
and a jury
APPEARANCES:
For the Government:
LORETTA E. LYNCH
United States Attorney
271 Cadman Plaza East
Brooklyn, New York 11201
BY: BERIT WINGE BERGER
MELISSA MARRUS
ANDREW EDWARD GOLDSMITH
Assistant U.S. Attorneys
and
COURTNEY A. SULLIVAN
U.S. Department of Justice
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530
For the Defendant:
COLSON & HARRIS LLP

10 East 40th Street
Suite 3307
New York, New York 10016
BY: DEBORAH AUSTERN COLSON
JUSTINE A. HARRIS
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BURTON SULZER
OFFICIAL COURT REPORTER
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Court Reporter:
Burton H. Sulzer, OCR CM

Official Court Reporter
225 Cadman Plaza East
Brooklyn, New York 11201
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Minutes Taken Stenographically.

By Computer Aided Transcription.
Transcript Produced
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(Open court-case called-appearances noted.)
THE COURT:
Good morning.
We have a small issue
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with Alternate Six, whose employer wrote me on Friday
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afternoon suggesting that it would be too much of a financial
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burden for her to serve.
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I don't really care about the employer, the
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Princeton club of New York, but if the financial concern
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emanates from the juror herself it's a different story.
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I'm going to ask Ilene to probe a little bit to see whether
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it's just the employer's concern or her own.
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Are you ready with your opening statements?
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MR. GOLDSMITH:
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MS. COLSON:
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matters that we wanted to raise.
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THE COURT:
So
Yes, your Honor.
We are.
We do have two very brief
Before we do that, Ilene didn't swear
the interpreters yet.
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(Interpreters sworn: Naim Saidi and Nasir Ahmad.)
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THE COURT:
Thank you.
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MS. COLSON:
The first is with respect to Amanullah
Zazi -- and the reason we are raising it because the
government had told us they are calling him to testify this
morning.
We would like to introduce some calls into evidence
on our cross-examination of a monologue between him and our
client in which our client refers to Amanallah as son.
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The government has told us that they believe these

calls open the door to their 404(b) evidence.
We don't
believe they do.
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We should let you know that we intend to argue at
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trial that our client and Amanallah Zazi lived together for
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many years --
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THE COURT:
Sorry.
Immigration stuff?
What do you
mean by 404(b)?
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MS. COLSON:
Immigration stuff.
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THE COURT:
Go ahead.
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MS. COLSON:
That our client and Amanallah Zazi
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lived together for many years, that our client fed him and
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clothed him and sent him to school and treated him like a son
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and that they developed a father/son relationship over time.
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We do not believe that that opens the door.
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not going to argue or tell the jury how Amanullah came to this
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country or why he came owe this country but merely discuss the
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relationship that developed.
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THE COURT:
I take it there is not going to be any
dispute that he's not actually his son?
MS. COLSON:
We are not disputing that.
We have in
fact signed a stipulation that says that Amanullah Zazi is not
the biological child of our client.
We should also let your Honor know that the
government informed us this weekend that they have indicted
Mr. Zazi in the Southern District on the immigration fraud.
So that case is now open and pending, which is another factor
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for consideration in deciding what we may or may not argue at
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trial.
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THE COURT: The statute hasn't run on the most recent

development in that fraud, is that what it is?
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MS. BERGER:
Correct.
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THE COURT:
When was that?
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MS. BERGER:
When was the fraud?
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The most recent percolation of it in the
INS?
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MS. BERGER:
I believe it was January of 2007.
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THE COURT:
I see.
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The case wasn't brought here
because it's all venued in Southern?

MS. BERGER:
The case was originally brought here
and the defendant moved to dismiss.
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THE COURT:
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MS. BERGER:
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I understand that.
So now it's in a fraud in the Southern
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District.
MS. COLSON:
That's the first issue.
The second
issue that the government has given us a list of proposed
calls they would like --
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THE COURT:
issue, give you a ruling now?
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MS. COLSON:
I think we need a ruling sometime this
morning before he testifies.
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What do you want me to do on the first
THE COURT:
Why?
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Because we intend to introduce the
calls.
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THE COURT:
You mean before your cross?
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MS. COLSON:
Yes.
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THE COURT:
All right.
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I'll try to give you one, but, you know, don't get
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used to the notion that in advance I can preflight everything
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you intend to do and tell you whether it's okay or doors will
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be opened.
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I understand this application and it sounds like

you're on safe ground but let me hear the direct.
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All right?
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MS. COLSON:
Okay.
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THE COURT:
I interrupted you in the middle of your
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second application.
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The second application can probably be
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raised later as well.
even know if it's coming in this morning or later on.
hold off on that.
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THE COURT:
We can
As long as we are waiting for the jury,
give me a hint.
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It's about another call that I don't
MS. COLSON:
A call between our client and
Najibullah Zazi that took place on September 15th.
The.
Government proposes to introduce into evidence
Najibullah said something to our client like, "Don't say
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anything.
Don't talk."
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We believe that since Najibullah is unlikely to
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testify the government cannot explain the relevance of that
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call or the meaning of that call to the jury.
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should stay out.
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MS. BERGER:
So we think it
Your Honor, just for greater clarity,
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the exhibit that we are actually talking about is Government
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Exhibit 76.
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you should have a transcript binder.
The transcript is 76 T.
I have a copy here but
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THE COURT:
Is it in the transcripts or exhibits?
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MS. BERGER:
I believe in both.
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in the transcript binder; 76 T.
It might be easier
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This is a call that takes place on September 15th of
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2009, which is a day before the defendant Najibullah goes into
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the FBI for the interview.
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The call is admissible clearly under 801(d)(2) as an
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admission by a party opponent.
It seems to me that the
defendant's arguments go more to the weight of the call than
the actual admissibility.
If the defendant wishes to argue to the jury that we
don't know what it is that they are referring to they have the
option of doing that.
admissibility of the call itself though.
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THE COURT:
I don't think that actually goes to the
So the record is clear, what we are
talking about is a really short call.
Najibullah says, Don't
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tell them anything, tell them I don't know."
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says "okay."
The defendant
Essentially that's it.
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What is your response to that?
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MS. COLSON:
Your Honor, there is no context here.
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We don't know the meaning, we don't know who "them" is.
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don't know if "okay" constitutes a party admission.
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THE COURT:
You'll argue that.
The context is the
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investigation that is happening right at this point in time,
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right?
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MS. COLSON:
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THE COURT:
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Possibly.
You'll argue that.
they're talking about something else.
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issue that we could case raise.
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Zazi this morning.
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You can argue that
Overruled.
Your Honor, we have one more minor

We intend to call Amanullah
In Amanullah Zazi's cooperation agreement, one of
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the crimes that he got coverage for was his immigration fraud.
Now, that is intricately entwined with the defendant's
immigration fraud, which I understand your Honor has
precluded.
as to whether we should actually redact that portion of the
cooperation agreement to give coverage for his immigration
fraud, just to cover our bases.
THE COURT:
Do you want to be heard?
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We have no objection to redaction..
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MS. BERGER:
We would prefer for the jury to know
We did not intend to -- I guess we sought guidance
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all of the crimes that Amanullah is actually covered for so I
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this our preference would be to have it not redacted as long
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as that doesn't step on the toes of your Honor's ruling.
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THE COURT:
It sounds like it does.
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instinct was an admirable one.
So your first
Redact it out.
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MS. BERGER:
Thank you, your Honor.
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I think that is all we had, unless your Honor would
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like us to respond on the calls between Amanullah and Wali,
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which I'll be happy to do.
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THE COURT:
Go ahead.
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MS. BERGER:
Your Honor, the reason we think this
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opens the door, the defense, as they explained to the court,
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the defense is not going to be arguing in the trial that
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Amanullah is in fact the defendant's son.
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stipulated that he's not the biological son.
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The only other way that somebody can be your son if
not biological is through adaption.
on arguing that he is in fact the adopted son then these calls
would leave the jury with the misimpression that is in fact
the relationship between them.
If they are not planning
Since we have a stipulation where the defendant says
he's not my biological son, and we have these calls where the
defendant refers to Amanullah as son, the jury may well be
left with the impression that he's in fact the adopted son,
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which is factually incorrect.

THE COURT:
When I asked before -- the fault is
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mine -- but I assumed that there was not going to be any
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dispute as to the fact that Amanullah was neither his adopted
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nor his biological son.
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Am I right about that?
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MS. COLSON:
Your Honor, we are not going to argue
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that Amanullah Zazi was legally adopted by our client.
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going to argue that they developed a father/son relationship
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over time and that using the word "adopted" may not have
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been -- was an accurate way of describing that relationship
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even though there was no legal adoption.
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THE COURT:
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or what does it read?
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MS. BERGER:
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We are
What is the stipulation going to read --
As of now it says that Mohammed Wali
Zazi is not the biological father of Amanullah Zazi, he's a
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biological uncle.
Mohammed Wali Zazi did not adopt Amanullah Zazi.
said they do not want to sign that stipulation.
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We proposed a stipulation that also says
THE COURT:
Hold on.
You should.
The defense
I don't think
it's fair.
I've kept out, for reasons I've already expressed,
this immigration fraud.
unfair prejudice.
think, but it's a cost you have willingly incurred.
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I think it has the capacity for
That comes at some cost to the defense, I
I don't want there to be a quasi litigation over
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this issue that is really not in dispute.
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stipulate to this as a matter of fairness, that he's neither
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adopted nor biological.
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MS. COLSON:
I think you need to
We were willing to stipulate to the
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fact that Mr. Zazi did not really adopt Amanullah Zazi.
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government was unwilling to put in the word "legal" or
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"legally," and we do intend to argue to the jury that he
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treated him like an adopted son.
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we intend to make.
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THE COURT:
The
That is part of the argument
I'm not sure I want to do this.
There
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is a certain distortive effect that this Rule 403 ruling I've
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made creates.
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intent behind what the government claims is an encouragement
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of false statements.
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The distortion is over the motive behind, the
The mens rea for the crime isn't corrupt intent to
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obstruct the investigation.
there that I have taken out of the case now, the motive to
deal with and not reveal the immigration fraud that occurred.
I thought the second installment of that was a little earlier,
but the second installment is 2007, the first installment is
in the late nineties?
MS. BERGER:
That's correct, your Honor.
THE COURT:
So we're taking that out of the case
There is this other motive out
and the cost you willingly incur to get it out of the case is
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that the alleged encouragement to lie about the relationship
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with Amanullah Zazi will now appear to the jury to be part and
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parcel of this claimed effort to obstruct the investigation
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that was ongoing.
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We talked about this, you've taken that under
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advisement.
It strikes me that this whole maybe not legal but
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quasi legal adoption is inserting yet a third possible motive,
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which really isn't supported by the evidence; the jury
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wouldn't believe that if it knew what the real facts were.
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I don't think the jury -- I think if you want to
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litigate the question whether maybe he didn't legally adopt
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him but in his mind he thought he had quasi -legally adopted
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him, why shouldn't the government then be permitted to say,
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No, no, no that's not right, none of this was about formal
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legal adaption as opposed to informal adoption, it's really
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about this third thing, this immigration fraud he's trying to
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keep from being exhumed.
MS. COLSON:
That's my concern.
Your Honor, if we signed the
stipulation that says he is not adopted -- if we signed the
stipulation are the calls admissible?
THE COURT:
MS. COLSON:
I'm sorry?
What calls?
The calls between Amanullah Zazi and
our client in which our client refers to him as son.
THE COURT:
Are they admissible?
MS. COLSON:
Yes.
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Without opening the door to the
immigration fraud?
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THE COURT:
I see.
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First of all -- baby steps.
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right?
Everything is interlinked.
That stipulation would be true,
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MS. COLSON:
It is true.
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THE COURT:
He didn't adopt.
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MS. COLSON:
He did not adopt him.
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THE COURT:
Well, I'm not that concerned about you
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arguing that even though he didn't adopt him he had this kind
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of relationship, you can do that.
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MS. COLSON:
Okay.
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THE COURT:
I don't regard them to be linked in
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this manner.
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advantage being taken by the exclusion of the evidence.
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What I'm concerned about is a possible unfair
I'm not sure if all that evidence came in you'd be

making this argument.
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Maybe I don't understand the way it's
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going to play out in front of the jury.
Do you intend to open on this subject?
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Not really, no.
But it will come in
through the cross-examination of Amanullah Zazi.

THE COURT:
As the trial unfolds -- you folks are
steeped in what the evidence will be, I'm not -- as the trial
unfolds maybe I'll see it differently and more clearly.
this point I don't really see that stipulation as opening the
door for the government.
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The government will argue that most
things open the door and I'll hear you on that.

But I'm concerned -- I'm not going to repeat
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myself -- I'm concerned about this adoption issue and if the
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actual facts are that he's not either the biological or the
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adopted son, I don't think you should be permitted to litigate
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that one of those is the case when you've kept out this other
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reason for the false statements.
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MS. COLSON:
Sorry for interrupting.
We're not
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going to argue that he is the adopted child of our client.
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I'm sorry if I led you to believe that was the case.
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going to argue that they developed a father/son relationship.
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We are
The reason the word "adopted" is relevant is because
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in describing that relationship to the FBI agent, that is the
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word our client used.
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a lie on his part even though there was no legal adoption.
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But we will sign the stipulation if that allows us to
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So we intend to argue that that was not
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introduce the call without opening the door.
THE COURT:
Given the first thing you said, that
you're not going to argue that he's the adopted son of the
defendant, you shouldn't have any problem with that
stipulation.
MS. COLSON:
Okay.
THE COURT:
Ilene, how are we doing with the juror?
(Pause.)
THE COURT:
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employer.
We will sign it.
The juror is fine.
The employer has not made a compelling case to me.
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Bring in the jury, please.
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(Pause.)
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(Jury present.)
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THE COURT:
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to see you again.
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JURORS:
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THE COURT:
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trial.
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we begin.
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It's just the
Good morning.
Seated everyone.
Nice
Good morning.
Welcome back.
We're ready to begin the
Let me give you a few preliminary instructions before
The defendant is Mohammed Wali Zazi.
He's seated
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over there.
He's charged with three offenses, conspiracy to
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obstruct justice and a couple of counts of obstructing
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justice -- I'll give you much more detailed instructions about
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those charges later on in the case -- to which he has pled not
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guilty, which, as you know, places the burden of proving him
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guilty squarely on the shoulders of the government.
burden never shifts, always stays on the government's side of
the courtroom.
That
A defendant in a criminal case, and Mr. Zazi in this
case, must be presumed by the jury to be innocent throughout
the trial and indeed throughout your deliberations unless and
until you're convinced unanimously beyond a reasonable doubt
that he has been proven guilty of a particular charge you're
considering.
So that presumption of innocence stays with the
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defendant, protects him throughout the trial and throughout
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your deliberations.
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Consistent with that and with the burden being on
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the government, the defendant in a criminal case, as I've told
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you already, doesn't need to prove he's innocent, doesn't need
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to prove anything.
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remain silent, which means he's got the choice to testify or
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not to testify as he sees fit.
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He's presumed innocent, has a right to
It is a bedrock principle of our criminal justice
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system, he has a right to remain silent and a right not to
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have the jury hold it against him if he chooses not to
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testify, so no inference can be drawn against him if in fact
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he chooses not to testify in this try.
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The trial will proceed in the following way:
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will hear first from counsel in what we call opening
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statements.
You
You will hear from Mr. Goldsmith on behalf of the
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government and then Ms. Harris on behalf of Mr. Zazi.
The government has to make an opening statement.
The defendant, consistent with everything I've said so far,
has an opportunity but no obligation to make an opening
statement.
I have been informed before you came into the
courtroom that the defendant has chosen to avail himself of
that opportunity, so you will hear from Miss Harris after you
hear from Mr. Goldsmith.
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Maybe the most important thing to be said about
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opening statements is that they are not themselves evidence.
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The evidence on which you will base your verdicts in the case
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will be the testimony you hear from that witness stand and any
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exhibits that I receive in evidence during the course of the
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trial.
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So what the lawyers say to you directly from that
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podium in opening statements and then later on in summations
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is not evidence.
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opening statements are the lawyers' opportunity to tell you
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what they think the evidence in the case will prove.
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It doesn't mean it's not important.
The
After openings the government will proceed in its
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efforts to prove the charges in the case.
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will call witnesses, they will be placed under oath, subjected
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to direct examination by one of the prosecutors, subjected to
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cross-examination at the defendant's option by one of his
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counsel.
Sometimes there is redirect, recross, all in an
effort to give each side a full and fair chance to bring out
from that witness the testimony that side wants to bring out.
There will come a point when one of the prosecutors
stands up and says "the government rests," or "the United
States rests."
opportunity, but again I emphasize, no obligation to present
evidence in defense of the charges.
At that point the defendant has an
If the defendant avails himself of that opportunity,
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he will proceed in the same way; one of his lawyers will call
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a witness, or witnesses, they will be placed under oath, the
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defense lawyers will conduct a direct examination, the
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prosecutors will cross, and so on.
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There will come a point when both sides rest.
Then
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the lawyers have a chance to speak to you again in what we
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call summations or closing arguments.
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instructions, on the elements of the crimes charged, and I'll
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give you some instructions about evaluating evidence in your
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deliberations as well.
Then I will give you
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After all that happens, then and only then it will
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be appropriate for you to discuss the case among yourselves.
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I talked to you about this Wednesday when you were sworn in.
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Until then please don't discuss the case.
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The discussion about a case can cause opinions to form and
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even if those opinions were preliminary and subject to change
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I told you why.
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it wouldn't be right for you to make up your mind even
preliminarily, even subject to change before you heard all the
evidence in the case and the lawyers' arguments and my
instructions to you on the law.
So make sure you don't talk about the case.
Sometimes jurors very innocently will go back on a break and
want to talk about a witness' testimony and that's okay
because they forget, but there are 18 of you, you won't all 18
forget.
One of you will are remember and say, "Whoa, Judge
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Gleeson said don't discuss the case.
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discuss the case among yourselves until it comes time to
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deliberate.
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All right.
So don't
During the course of the trial lawyers will object,
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that's what lawyers do, they object.
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lawyer if he or she makes an objection, they are just doing
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their job protecting their side's interest in the case.
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Never hold it against a
When they do object, it calls upon me to do my job,
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which is to decide if what has been objected, it it's a
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question, whether you ought to hear the answer to that
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question.
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document or something, then my job is to determine whether
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under the Rules of Evidence I ought to receive it in evidence,
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which means, by the way, it's available for your inspection,
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but not always right on the spot.
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If the objection is to a physical exhibit, a
Don't be perplexed if someone offers a document into
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evidence and I receive it and you don't see it.
never see it.
available for your inspection during deliberations.
Sometimes you
Sometimes you see it in summations, but it's
Anyway, to get back to the point.
Sometimes for me
to do my job right, to rule on the objection, I can benefit
from a little more argument as to what the basis of the
objection is, what the other side's response is and it
wouldn't make much sense to have that back and forth in your
presence because the conversation might include the answer to
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the question.
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If I were to rule the question out of bounds it
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wouldn't make much sense to have exposed you to the answer to
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it.
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out of your presence.
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sometimes keep you waiting.
So sometimes I invite them up to sidebar and hear them

We do it out of your hearing and
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I mention it now to ask you in advance for your
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patience if that happens during the course of this trial.
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try to keep those sidebars to a minimum, but sometimes they're
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necessary and that's why we're doing it.
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patience if that happens during the course of this trial.
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So I appreciate your
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THE COURT:
If I overrule an objection, and you hear
the answer to the question, and you'll see the objected-to
exhibit, don't give it greater weight.
important evidence because it came in over objection.
just part of the evidentiary mix, like all the other evidence
in the case.
Don't think it's more

It's
On the other side of the coin, if I sustain an
objection, you won't hear the answer.
You won't see the
exhibit, if that's what's been objected to, and by no means
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should you speculate as to what the answer would have been or
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what the document contained.
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Forget it.
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I've ruled it out of bounds.
We'll move on.

I made it possible for you, or Ilene has made it
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possible for you, to take notes, if you want.
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fair.
16
want to.
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ahead.
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We all take notes.
Seems only
You ought to be allowed to if you
You don't have to, but if you want to, go right
A couple of things about the notes I ought to tell
19
you up front.
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it does come time for you to deliberate, share your views
21
about the testimony and the weight and effect of the evidence.
22
Don't let one juror's voice in the jury room have greater
23
weight because that juror happened to be a copious notetaker
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and another juror wasn't.
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One is obvious, but I'll say it, anyway.
Right?
Don't let that happen.
Less obvious, just as important, is, sometimes
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jurors don't quite remember exactly what the testimony was.
Sometimes, frequently, jurors will have a disagreement as to
precisely what the testimony was.
happens with you, you won't be resolving that failure of
recollection or that disagreement by reference to somebody's
notes.
out during the course of the trial.
every word that's said, the official record of the
proceedings.
If either of those things
See, we have court reporters here.
They'll be in and
They are taking down
If there comes a point when you need to know
10
precisely what a witness said, you'll ask for a readback, and
11
we'll either read it back to you, or send the transcript into
12
the jury room, so you have the testimony.
13
become your quasi-official record of the case.
14
Don't let the notes

All right.
You'll see even in a short trial like this one that
15
a courthouse is a little community unto itself and it's almost
16
inevitable, during the course of the trial, as you come and
17
go, you'll run into one of the participants in the trial, and
18
you, being decent folks, will say to someone that you have
19
been seeing every day in the courtroom, you know, Good
20
morning, Good evening, as the case may be, and they'll ignore
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you.
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an order I'm about to put them under not to communicate with
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you at all.
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They won't even say hi.
That's because they are under
I hereby order all the people in the well of the

court at both tables to have no communication whatsoever with
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any member of the jury during the course of the trial.
The reason for that is, it's another kind of
hard-and-fast rule, not discussing the case.
I'll tell you
the reason for this rule.
one of the prosecutors or one of the defense lawyers to talk
to you about the case outside the courtroom.
inappropriateness of that, talking to you about the case
outside the courtroom.
important as substance, and it wouldn't look right even if you
You know, it wouldn't be right for
You can feel the
Sometimes appearances can be just as
10
are talking about the weather or Mets or something, it
11
wouldn't look right if you were having a conversation with one
12
of these people during the course of the trial.
13
hard-and-fast rule where they have no communication with you
14
whatsoever during the course of this trial, and if they do,
15
they'll be violating an order of the Court.
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to you so you don't think they are being rude if you say hi to
17
them in the elevator and they are stonefaced, they ignore you.
18
They are not being rude.
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just placed them under.
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they fail to comply with that rule.
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through Ilene if there's any communication with you
22
whatsoever, no matter how innocuous it may seem, emanating
23
from one of the people at either of the two tables in the well
24
of the court.
25
Hence, that
And I mention it
They are complying with the order I

In fact, I want to know from you if
I want to know from you
Lastly, and this has become so much more important
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the last few years, before I turn it over to Mr. Goldsmith for
his opening statement, is to reiterate to you what I have
already said to you about communication.
that you respect the reality that when you do retire to
deliberate and discuss the evidence, reach verdicts, that the
grist for the deliberation mill be only the evidence that came
out during the course of the trial.
find you.
searching for information about the trial or this kind of
It's very important
Don't let information
Certainly don't go looking for it.
Don't go
10
trial, the people involved in the trial.
11
you.
12
the case, put the newspaper down.
13
want to save that stuff, you want to save clippings, get a
14
friend, a loved one, to clip them for you.
If there's a newspaper report or radio broadcast about
15
Turn the radio off.
No communicating out, either.
16
blogging, no e-mailing.
17
case.
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This case is important to the government.
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Mr. Zazi.
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tweeting about your jury service.
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you.
If you
No tweeting, no
You're jurors in a federal criminal
I was going to say important.
Respect your role in it.
They are all important.

It's important to
Don't go blogging or
Don't let information find
All right.
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Don't let it find
That's all I have.
Are you ready with your opening
statement?
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MR. GOLDSMITH:
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Good morning.
Yes, your Honor.
Thank you.
In September 2009, FBI agents across
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the United States were frantically trying to stop a terrorist
attack aimed at New York City.
target, they didn't know when the attack was supposed to take
place, but they knew the plot as serious, and they needed
answers fast.
They didn't know the specific
That man, the defendant, Mohammed Wali Zazi, decided
to stand in the FBI's way.
He lied to the FBI, and he
convinced other people to lie to the FBI.
destroyed evidence.
He concealed and
Because of the defendant, the FBI lost
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valuable time and valuable evidence, and that's why we're here
11
today.
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In September 2009, the FBI's prime suspect was a man
13
named Najibullah Zazi.
14
Amanullah Zazi and two other men had gathered in Pakistan,
15
where they met up with recruiters for Al-Qaeda.
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A year earlier, Najibullah, his cousin
Now, Najibullah and Amanullah were living together
17
in Colorado along with Najibullah's family, and the other two
18
men were living in Queens.
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On September 9, 2009, Najibullah rented a car in
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Denver, Colorado and drove across the country to New York.
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carried with him a laptop computer containing detailed
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instructions for building a bomb.
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day before the anniversary of the September 11 attacks.
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He
He arrived in Queens on the
The FBI and the NYPD put all of their resources into
uncovering Najibullah's plans and identifying who he was
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working with.
Najibullah and on the other men who had been in Pakistan,
Amanullah in Colorado and the two men in Queens.
The FBI put twenty-four-hour surveillances on
The FBI tapped phones, talked to informants,
searched apartments in Queens and elsewhere.
media learned about the searches of those apartments in
Queens, and soon members of the SWAT teams flashed across
television sets all over the country.
Eventually, the
The defendant was watching those reports carefully,
10
because he's the father of Najibullah Zazi and the uncle of
11
Amanullah Zazi, and when the defendant learned that Najibullah
12
was a prime suspect in a terrorist plot, he made a choice a
13
choice to obstruct the government's investigation by lying, by
14
concealing and destroying evidence, by making it harder for
15
the FBI to get the answers that they so desperately needed.
16
In September and October of 2009, the defendant and
17
other members of his family actively obstructed the
18
government's investigation over and over.
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to cover Najibullah's tracks.
20
destroyed chemicals and other equipment that Najibullah had
21
collected for his bomb.
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evidence and they made sure the FBI would never get it.
23
First, they tried
They concealed and then
They knew the FBI would want that
Next, the defendant lied.
In interviews with the
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FBI, first he lied about a man named Ahmad Wais Afzali.
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Afzali was a religious leader in Queens whose mosque the
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defendant and his family had attended.
Afzali and asked him if he knew Najibullah or Amanullah or the
two men from Queens.
defendant and tipped him off about the investigation, and when
the FBI asked the defendant about Afzali, he denied having
spoken to him.
The NYPD approached
Afzali turned around and called the
In fact, he said he didn't even know him.
That was not his only lie.
The defendant also lied
about Amanullah Zazi, his nephew, the one who had been in
Pakistan and was now living with Najibullah and the defendant
10
in Colorado.
11
his son, insisting that he had adopted him years before in
12
Kabul, Afghanistan, when Amanullah was two years old, even
13
though that had never happened.
14
The defendant told the FBI that Amanullah was
The defendant told other members of his family to
15
tell the same lie.
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received subpoenas to testify in front of the grand jury in
17
Brooklyn here in this courthouse, the defendant told them to
18
repeat the lie and they did.
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to stop this terrorist attack on this city, the FBI and the
20
grand jury wasted precious time and resources unraveling the
21
defendant's lies.
22
In fact, when some members of his family
And so, in the midst of trying
Now, let's be clear:
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with being a terrorist.
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of Al-Qaeda.
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plot in advance.
The defendant is not charged
He's not charged with being a member
He's not charged with knowing about Najibullah's

He's charged with obstructing the
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government's investigation of that plot, because when the
defendant made the choice to lie, to hide and destroy
evidence, he committed crimes.
The defendant is charged, as the judge told you, in
this case with three counts of obstruction of justice.
During
this trial, we will use a variety of the evidence to prove to
you that he committed those crimes.
You'll hear testimony from FBI agents who
participated in the investigation of Najibullah, Amanullah and
10
their conspirators, coconspirators.
11
firsthand about the plot to obstruct the government's
12
investigation from people who participated in it.
13
witnesses have pled guilty to crimes, and they'll be
14
testifying in this trial in hopes of receiving lesser
15
sentences for those crimes.
16
testimony carefully.
17
corroborated by all of the other evidence in this case.
18
You will also hear
Now, those
You should consider their
When you do, you'll find that it is
For example, you'll see grand jury transcripts of
19
the testimony that some of the defendants' relatives gave here
20
in Brooklyn.
21
recorded on the wiretaps that I mentioned earlier.
22
those calls, you'll hear the defendant talking to Ahmad Wais
23
Afzali, the man he told the FBI he didn't know.
24
Najibullah's bomb-making recipes, and you'll hear from an FBI
25
chemist about the residue of the bomb ingredients that were
You'll hear telephone conversations that were
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You'll see
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found in the drains in the house in Colorado, where Najibullah
had left his supplies.
When this trial is over, we'll ask you to hold the
defendant accountable for his choices, accountable for hiding
and destroying evidence, accountable for lying.
to reach the only conclusion consistent with the evidence:
That the defendant is guilty of the crimes charged.
THE COURT:
Ms. Harris.
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MS. HARRIS:
We'll ask you
Thank you, Mr. Goldsmith.
Good morning.
When it comes to
11
families, nothing is ever simple, and that's what this case is
12
about.
13
Mohammed Wali Zazi did not know about Najibullah's bomb blot.
It's about a family, about a father and his son.
14
When Mr. Zazi learned on September 11, 2009 that the
15
FBI was looking for his son, he was confused and in the dark.
16
You're going to hear this in his own words.
17
calls Najibullah, who is still in New York, and he asks, Son,
18
what is going on?
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done?
20
subway.
21
investigation of that plot.
22
conceal any evidence, he did not tell other people to destroy
23
or conceal evidence, he did not lie to the FBI, and he did not
24
tell other people to lie.
25
intention of obstructing justice.
What has happened?
On that day, he
What have you boys
This case is not about a plot to bomb a New York City

This case is not about obstruction into an
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Above all, Mr. Zazi had no
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You are going to hear a painful story about a family
put under intense and overwhelming pressure.
conducting twenty-four-hour surveillances, interviewing each
family member over and over again, media from around the world
bombarded them with questions day and night.
family lost their jobs.
Life as they knew it was over.
8
9
10
The FBI was
Many in the Zazi
Some were forced out of their homes.
Now, under this intense pressure, some family

members turned on other family members, and it turned out that
those family members, unlike Mr. Zazi, had something to hide.
11
You're going to hear from two of these family
12
members at this trial.
13
confused with Zazi -- Naqib Jaji.
14
brother-in-law, with whom Najibullah lived in Denver, Colorado
15
for several months before the trip to New York.
16
The first is Naqib Jaji -- not to be

He's Mr. Zazi's own
It was in Naqib's house that Najibullah supposedly
17
stashed these bomb-making chemicals, and Naqib, unlike Mr.
18
Zazi, knew about these chemicals months before anybody else.
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THE COURT:
screen.
Excuse me one second.
I see it on my
Do you want it up here?
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MS. COLSON:
Yes, your Honor.
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MS. HARRIS:
Naqib Jaji.
23
The second is Amanullah Zazi, Mr. Zazi's nephew,
24
whom he helped raise.
25
he has a little bit of a drug problem.
Thank you.
Amanullah is twenty-four years old, and
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government, he was actually in Pakistan when Najibullah went
there in 2008.
training camps and get in touch with Al-Qaeda.
for Amanullah Zazi, none of this might have happened.
under pressure, Naqib and Amanullah did what they had to do to
save themselves.
turned on Mr. Zazi.
come to court, sit in that chair and lie, all to make sure
that they themselves don't have to go to jail.
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He actually helped Najibullah get to the

Who knows but
They turned on their own relative.
So,
They
Desperate and afraid, they are going to
But Mr. Zazi, he didn't know about his son's
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activities.
12
took no shortcuts.
13
truth comes out and justice is done.
14
So, under all this pressure, he made no deals, he

He is here today to make sure that the
Now, you will hear that Mohammed Wali Zazi has tried
15
to do the right thing for a long time.
16
country in 1990 without a penny to his name, he was poorly
17
educated, he didn't speak any English, and he didn't have many
18
skills.
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as a yellow-cab taxi driver right here in New York, working
20
twelve hours a day, six or seven days a week to support his
21
wife and children, all so that they could have a better life.
22
He became a United States citizen, sent his children to school
23
in Queens, and strived to live the American dream.
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He came to this
But he didn't let that stop him.
He worked very hard
Fast-forward to 2009, two years ago, in the summer.

After visiting his sister and brother-in-law in Denver,
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Mr. Zazi decided to move his family to Colorado, as well,
where, as you can imagine, life is a little less expensive, a
little slower.
crashing down when he learned that the FBI was looking for his
son.
But that promise of a better life came
Now, what did Mr. Zazi do when he got that
information?
He did not drive him across the Mexican border.
to see a lawyer, and then he took him directly to the FBI.
10
He did not buy him a one-way ticket to Pakistan.

He took him
Now, when Mr. Zazi brought his own son to the FBI,
11
it turned out that the FBI wanted to talk to him, as well, and
12
he readily agreed.
13
friendly, polite and accommodating.
14
And you will hear that Mr. Zazi was
Now, communication wasn't always easy.
Despite
15
being in this country for twenty years, Mr. Zazi does not
16
speak English perfectly.
17
always make himself understood, and he has trouble
18
understanding and expressing nuances, but he did his best.
19
volunteered for questioning on two separate days, and he
20
provided as much information as he could.
21
He has a heavy accent.
He can't
He
Nevertheless, despite his cooperation, the
22
government has dragged Mr. Zazi to court and accused him of
23
obstructing justice on two supposed lies, the first about this
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religious leader, Ahmad Wais Afzali, and one about his nephew
25
Amanullah.
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But listen and look carefully at the evidence.
will see that these were not lies at all.
misunderstandings and miscommunications.
You
They were
They were not lies.
Now, not only did the -- not only did Mr. Zazi try
to cooperate with the FBI, but he had nothing to do with the
destruction of the chemicals, the pair of goggles and the mask
that were supposedly at Naqib Jaji's house.
8
9
You will hear a lot of about other family members,

Sultan Bibi, Mr. Zazi's wife, and Amanullah, the nephew
10
supposedly pouring chemicals down the drain and cutting up a
11
mask.
12
Mr. Zazi had anything to do with this.
13
destroy or hide anything.
14
Whatever the plan was with respect to the chemicals and the
15
evidence, he didn't have anything to do with it.
16
But what you are not going to hear is any evidence that
He didn't agree to
He didn't help hide anything.
So, who is going to try to link Mr. Zazi to this
17
supposed conspiracy to get rid of the stuff and lie about it?
18
Those two family members that I told you about, Naqib Jaji and
19
Amanullah Zazi.
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they are getting in exchange for their testimony.
21
When these two testify, keep in mind what
Naqib and Amanullah pled guilty to crimes.
Both
22
pled guilty to destroying evidence.
Amanullah also pled
23
guilty to helping Najibullah getting training in a terrorist
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camp.
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going to testify to take care of themselves.
Both could go to jail for a long time, so they are
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to say, All my lies, everything I did wrong, Mr. Zazi told me
to do that.
are getting their own ticket out of jail.
But just remember, by pointing the finger, they
Now, even though this case is not about terrorism,
you're still going to hear a lot about terrorism.
remember that when you hear the details of the bomb plot and
the urgent investigation into that plot, this is not
Najibullah's trial.
agents are going to testify about how the plot was discovered,
He pled guilty.
Please
In this case, a lot of
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how they stopped it, all their efforts to try to crack the
11
case.
12
when we do question them, we are not going to second-guess
13
their efforts or question their work.
We might not have much to ask some of those agents, and
14
On trial today is no terrorist, but a father.
15
Remember his words:
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happened?
17
Son, what is going on?
What has
What have you guy done?

So, listen carefully.
Mr. Zazi did not know what
18
was happening.
Mr. Zazi tried to do the right thing by his
19
family and by the law.
20
carefully the lies of the family members who are going to come
21
to court to save themselves.
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this case, they'll be only one verdict compelled by the
23
evidence:
Put the fear aside and scrutinize
If you do that, at the end of
Not guilty on all counts.
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Thank you.
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THE COURT:
Okay.
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
Thank you, Ms. Harris.
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Call your first witness, please.
MS. MARRUS:
The government calls Special Agent
Robert Martin.
THE COURT:
If you'd stand behind that chair.
R O B E R T
Good morning.
Come on up here, please.
M A R T E N,
having been duly sworn, was examined and
testified as follows:
THE CLERK:
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State your name and spell it.
THE WITNESS:
My name is Robert Martin, M A R T E N,
first name Robert.
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MS. MARRUS:
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THE COURT:
May I inquire, your Honor?

Yes, please do.
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DIRECT EXAMINATION
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BY MS. MARRUS:
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where you work?
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Enforcement.
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Enforcement?
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to become Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
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Enforcement?
Good morning, Agent Marten.
Where I work?
Could you tell the jury
I work at Immigration and Customs
How long have you been with Immigration and Customs
I started in August of '97 with INS, which merged in 2003
What is your position with Immigration and customs
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I'm a special agent.
Where are currently assigned?
I currently work in the New York office of the
Immigration and Customs Enforcement on the Joint Terrorism
Task Group.
Please explain what the joint terrorism task force is.
It's a task force run by the FBI that conducts
counter-terrorism investigations.
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Agent Marten, are you familiar with the travel records
10
that are kept as a matter of routine by the United States
11
Government?
12
Yes, I am.
13
Can you just explain what types of records the United
14
States Government maintains?
15
16
records for people exiting and returning to the United States.
17
Can you explain where that information comes from?
18
There's two primary databases.
19
TECS, Treasury Enforcement Communications System.
In the data bases, there is departure records and inbound
20
One is referred to as
A more modern Windows-based version of that system
21
is called ATSP, Automatic Targeting System for Passengers.
22
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is stored.
24
25
airlines themselves that fly in and out of the United States
You explained about the data bases that the information

Where does the actual information come from?
The primary information is put into the system from the
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into TECS and ATSP that mirror each other.
that's stored in those data bases?
name and date of birth, travel information and travel
documents.
Who actually sends that information to the database?
The airline industries themselves, once the manifest is
finalized that you boarded the flight and the flight has
Can you explain for the jury the types of information
Along with the basics, your air carrier, your flight,
10
pulled away from the gate they transmit that information into
11
the system that is CBP's TECS and ATSP.
12
Do you they send that information because of regulations?
13
It's required, entering and existing the United States.
14
As an immigration customs enforcement agent do you have
15
access as to those data bases?
16
Yes, I do.
17
In connection with those, have you reviewed travel
18
records for particular individuals?
19
Yes, I have.
20
21
MS. MARRUS:
Your Honor, can I show the witness only
some documents, please?
22
THE COURT:
23
It's working.
24
25
he sees.
Yes.
Look to your right.
You can see what
You can adjust the document accordingly.

MS. MARRUS:
It's not coming up here.
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
That's okay.
1
Agent Marten, are you able to see that document?
I see the bottom half.
push it to your right.
Government's Exhibit 1.
Yes I do.
What are they, generally speaking?
This is a record of outbound travel.
For a particular individual?
10
It's for Najibullah Zazi.
11
Did you obtain this information from the database that
12
you had identified?
13
This is an ATSP record.
14
I show you what is marked for identification as
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16
17
travel record.
18
19
Government's Exhibit 3?
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If you can bring it down some and
There you go.
I show you what is marked for identification as
Yes, I see that.
Do you recognize these document?
Are you able to see that?

That's a similar record, an outbound
Outbound of the seat for Adis Medunjanin.
Showing you what has been marked for identification as
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THE COURT:
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MS. MARRUS:
Are there a loft these?

One more.
22
This is again an outbound travel record from the ATSP
23
system for Zarein Ahmedzay.
24
25
for identification as Government's Exhibit 4, what is that?
Showing you Government's Exhibit 4, what has been marked
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Amanullah Zazi.
were these all obtained from the data basis that he testified
about?
7
8
That is an inbound record from the TECS system for
And are all of the records contained in these exhibits,
Yes.
MS. MARRUS:
Your Honor, I offer Government's
Exhibit 1, 2, 3 and 4 into evidence.
MS. COLSON:
No objection.
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THE COURT:
Received.
11
(So marked.)
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going to come up on the screen.
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15
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Now, Agent Marten, I'm going -- I'm not sure if this is
There it is.
MS. MARRUS:
in evidence.
17
I'm sorry.
Your Honor, this is not yet
I apologize.
THE COURT:
That's all right.
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identification, Government's Exhibit 1 A, do you recognize
20
that?
21
22
Agent Marten, I'm showing you what has been marked for
Yes, I do.
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CONTINUED DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MS. MARRUS:
What is that?
There is a spreadsheet of travel records for the three
subjects, Zarein Ahmedzay, Najibullah Zazi and Adis
Medunjanin.
within Exhibits one, two and three?
10
11
All this information is seen within this spreadsheets are
Yes.
MS. MARRUS:
At this time I offer Government
Exhibit 1-A into evidence.
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THE COURT:
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MS. HARRIS:
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THE COURT:
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Any objection?
No.
Received.
May I publish?
Yes.
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the top, it shows what's referred to as the crossing date,
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whether it was inbound or out bound.
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first record, outbound record, August 28th, 2008 --
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Can you indicate on the screen?
That happens to be his
Press the screen.
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Not the most precise thing in the
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If you want to use a pencil or pen to show him?
crossing date?
2008, outbound trip, departed Newark Liberty International
Airport in Newark, New Jersey on Qatar Airways Flight 84 to
You're indicating the first row underneath where it says
Yes, crossing date for Najibullah Zazi, August 28th,
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Geneva International Airport.
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you know whether or not that was his final destination during
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that trip?
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That was the first leg of his trip.
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Why do you say that?
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He returns of January 15th, 2009 through Doha
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International Airport in Qatar to New York JFK International.
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Can you mark on the screen where the return is indicated?
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Right here, departure airport, Doha International
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Airport.
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to the left -- it's not marking --
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What date did he return?
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Between those dots to the left, shows you January 15th,
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It says he arrived in Geneva International Airport. Do
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on this spreadsheet as well?
Ahmedzay, in the middle.
What flight did he take out?
He took, departed the same flight with the original
subject individual, August 28th out of Newark on the same
flight, same carrier, same flight number flying to Geneva
International Airport as well.
What did Zarein Ahmedzay return from that trip?
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From where?
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The airport he entered the flight was Doha International
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Airport in Qatar.
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Airport.
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To your knowledge where is Qatar?
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In the Middle East.
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Is there a third passenger information listed here?
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Yes, third subjected Adis Medunjanin in the bottom,
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departed August 28th, 2008.
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Same flight, Qatar Airways, Flight 84.
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He returned to the United States on September 25th, 2008.
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If I may show the witness another
exhibit that is not yet in evidence?
THE COURT:
Sure.
Agent Marten, you recognize this?
Yes, this is the same travel records put on the
spreadsheet For Amanullah Zazi.
Government Exhibit 4A for identification, is it within
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spreadsheet?
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Yes.
Any objection to this exhibit?
What is
this number?
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(So marked.)
I apologize.
Any objection?
No.
Received.
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Whose travel records does this summarize?
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Relate to Amanullah Zazi.
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No.
Just for two particular trips?
These are the inbound and outbound for two particular
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trip on this spreadsheet?
on October 28th, 2003.
When did he return to the United States?
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Returns April 4th, 2004.
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Airlines Flight 718, leaving JFK International Airport,
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Sure.
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your review of the travel records that was Amanullah Zazi's
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final destination?
Can you just explain, show the jury what is the earliest
The earlier trip I have is outbound of the United States
When he departed, he was on Pakistani International
Yes, another trip where he departs June 29th, 2004,
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No, it was likely a connecting flight onward to another
country, likely Pakistan.
have him returning to Doha, Qatar, to New York JFK Airport on
a Qatar Airways Flight 83, April 16th of 2009.
let's say, England indicated on the spreadsheet, is the record
of where Amanullah Zazi would have gone from England reported
in the system you reviewed?
We have him returning because we
Just to be clear, if this was a connecting flight out of,
No, these systems, they have the flight you arrived or
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I have no further questions.

Thank you, Ms. Marrus.
That means you're excused.
Call your next witness.

J U R G E N S O N
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and testified as follows:
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State and spell your name.
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Eric Jurgenson.
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DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MS. BERGER:
Good morning.
Good morning.
Who do you work for?
Special agent assigned to the Denver field office in
Colorado.
Is that the FBI?
Yes.
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How long have you worked for the FBI?
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Nine years.
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You testified you work in Denver?
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Yes.
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Assigned to any particular squad?
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Assigned to National Security Squad 3 which is
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Afghanistan/Pakistan international terrorism.
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How long have you been on that squad?
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Since the day I arrived in Denver.
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What kind of training did you receive for your position
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as a special agent with the FBI?
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training course at Quantico, Virginia.
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completion of that course, I was assigned to Denver and have
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since that time taken regular training courses as part of the
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There's a 17 week-long -- at that time 17 weeks --
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Directing your attention to September of 2009, were you
involved in an investigation called Operation High Rise?
Yes.
When did you first become involved in the investigation?
My office was in receipt -- I was notified, I should say.
My office was in receipt of several e-mail messages, e-mail
communications.
resolved to an individual living in Colorado.
messages contained language consistent with terrorism
Those e-mail communications, several of them

Those e-mail
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activity.
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information?
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determined they did --
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the IP resolved to, also set up 24/7 surveillance coverage on
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that particular address.
We started to issue subpoenas.
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started to task sources.
We started to look at travel
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records, immigration files, things of that nature.
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Did you actually open an official investigation?
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Yes.
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What was the date you opened the investigation?
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September 7th, 2009.
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I'll show you what's been marked as Government Exhibits
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25A through C.
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is this?
What did you do as a result of receiving this
We did some further checking on the IP addresses and
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That's two of the e-mail messages as I explained earlier
that my office was in receipt of.
And 25B, do recognize this?
Yes.
Is this also one of the e-mail messages you received?
Yes.
25C, do you recognize this?
Yes.
What is that?
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That's another e-mail message that we received.
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Special Agent Jurgenson, are these the e-mail messages
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you testified that led to the investigation?
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Yes.
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MS. BERGER:
Offer 25A, B and C.
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THE COURT:
Any objection?
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No, Judge.
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THE COURT:
Received.
Publish to the jury?
Yes.
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Starting with Government Exhibit 25 A, starting with the
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e-mail on the bottom, can you read the "from" address?
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Njbzaz@yahoo.com.
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Who is the e-mail from?
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Njbzaz@yahoo.com.
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The date?
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Sunday, September 6th, 2009.
The subject line?
Zahid here.
Were you able to subpoena information on the IP addresses
of this e-mail?
Yes.
Were you able to subpoena information on the
sana_pakhtana address?
Yes.
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Where did that resolve?
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Sana_pakhtana, Pakistan.
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The njbzaz, where did that resolve to?
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An address in 2259 East Smoky Hill Road, Aurora.
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Are you able to describe the person on this address?
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Mohammed Wali Zazi.
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Were you able to make any determinations who was likely
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using that e-mail account?
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indicated earlier, we had set up surveillance at the
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residence, started to identify people who were living there,
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an individual by the name of Najibullah Zazi, the name
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Najibullah Zazi is consistent with the njbzaz@yahoo.com.
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says.
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There were several different things.
First of all, as I
On this same e-mail, read aloud what the text of that
AOA,,hi how r u,how z ur life going,,i need MUhammad
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email adress or phone number.if u have thn reply me on the
same adress n whch i mailed u...more over how is ur business
and family.ifu need sm thng thn plz tell me every time,pay my
salam to all friends n family members.take ur good care n
ALLAH hafiz.
Above it, is this a reply to that e-mail?
Yes.
Who is the above e-mail from?
Njbzaz@yahoo.com address.
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What is the date of this?
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also slam on ur friends and family. how is ur work everything
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is all right. zahid listen i need a amount of the one mixing
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Did you do any investigation as to that phone number?
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Yes.
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Were you able to determine who was using that phone
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number?
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Yes.
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Who is that?
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Najibullah Zazi.
Zahid aslamulikum how r u and to good hear from u and
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I'm putting Government Exhibit 25B on the screen.
the e-mail from?
The njbzaz@yahoo.com address.
Who is it sent to?
Sana_pakhtana @yahoo.com.
Tell us the date and time.
September 6th, 2009, 7:21:51 AM.
I'm going to put 25A back on this screen.
time this reply here was sent?
Who is
What was the
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Government Exhibit 25B, is it fair to say that came about
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20 minutes later?
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Yes.
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Can you just read, starting where my pen is here?
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All of us our here r good and working fine. plez reply to
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what i asked u right away. the marriage is ready flour and
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oil.
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on the bottom, is this the original e-mail that was also
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Yes.
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Moving to the e-mail on the top here, what's the date on
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this e-mail?
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What time?
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This is from the najib zazi coount?
Yes.
Where I'm pointing right here, start reading from there.
Me and friends r all ok and plz sends me details about
about {gee flour} {mixtures} Right away plz
investigation?
What about these emails that caused you to begin an
As I stated, there's language in there consistent with my
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training, background.
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things of that nature are consistent with terrorist activity
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or planning.
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to begin an investigation?
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e-mails, mixtures, right away, were very urgent, please, right
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away I need this immediately.
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in order, the three replies.
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Those are terms such as marriage,
Is there anything else about the e-mails that caused you
Actually, two things.
Number one, the sender of the
In fact, they were sequential
In addition to that, the date of them was peculiar
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to us as well it was an anniversary of the 9-11 attacks in
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New York City.
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The e-mails were prior to 9-11?
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Correct.
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In order to begin an investigation, what steps do you
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Basically, we run our investigations on a tiered level,
start out with threat assessments, six different types of
threat assessments, graduates by severity of the information
to a preliminary investigation and then finally to a full
investigation which this investigation was.
Do you need to get approval for opening an investigation?
Yes.
For a full investigation like this, what kinds of
approval do you need?
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At that time, it was supervisory approval in addition to
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a copy to headquarters unit back in Washington, D.C.
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order for a full investigation to be opened?
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articulable facts.
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Who has to make those findings?
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It starts out with me, the case agent, then is obviously
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turned over, approved to executive management within the field
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office.
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Then ultimately approved by headquarters, correct?
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Copied to headquarters.
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What type of an investigation was this?
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This was a full investigation.
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Who was the initial target of the investigation?
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Najibullah Zazi.
Are there any kinds of findings that need to be made in
Yes.
Full investigations are based on specific and
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Did there come a time you opened an investigation on
other targets?
Yes.
Who?
There was an investigation opened Najibullah Zazi,
Najibullah has a cousin.
Mohammad Tariq Azai, his brother, also an investigation opened
on Mohammad Wali Zazi.
There was an investigation opened on
Can you describe -- you testified before some of the
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initial steps you took with this investigation.
I believe you
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said in addition to getting the IP address information, you
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conducted surveillance, travel records, things of this nature;
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is that right?
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Yes.
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Agent, did you have any information about Najibullah Zazi
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before you began this investigation?
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None.
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You testified you began surveillance of Najibullah Zazi.
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When did that investigation begin?
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Were was Najibullah living at that time?
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His father, parents, mother and father at the Smoky Hill
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apartment in Aurora.
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That surveillance began in the late evening hours of
Where is that?
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A suburb of Denver, located just east of the city.
You testified about a few people that were living with
Najibullah.
I see Mohammad Wali Zazi seated at the defense table.
Can you identify him by something he's wearing?
Got a gray jacket, suit coat on with glasses.
You see any of those people in court today?
THE COURT:
Any objection?
MS. COLSON:
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Identifying the defendant.
No.
I'm going to show you a few photographs.
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May I show the witness, your Honor?
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Go ahead.
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I'm showing you what's marked as Government Exhibit 6.
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Who is this individual?
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Najibullah Zazi.
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THE COURT:
Are you going to put them all on, go
back and put them on again?
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MS. COLSON:
Whatever.
You're going to offer it?
Yes.
Received, show him one at a time.
No objection, one shot of each
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Is this Najibullah Zazi, is that your testimony?
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Yes.
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Exhibit 8.
Yes.
Who is that?
Amanullah Zazi.
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I'm now showing you what's marked as Government

You recognize this?
MS. BERGER:
Offered.
MS. COLSON:
No objection.
THE COURT:
(So marked.)
Received.
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I'll show you Government Exhibit 7.
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Mohammed Wali Zazi.
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MS. BERGER:
Offer Exhibit 7.
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MS. COLSON:
No objection.
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(So marked.)
Received.
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Government Exhibit 10.
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Sultan Bibi Zazi.
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What is her relationship to Najibullah?
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Mother.
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MS. BERGER:
Offer Government Exhibit 10.
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MS. COLSON:
No, we have no objection to any of the
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I'm showing you Government Exhibit 11.
THE COURT:
Received.
Who is that?
Murwari Zazi.
What is her relationship to Najibullah Zazi?
His sister.
Government Exhibit 9?
THE COURT:
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Received.
(So marked.)
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Mohammad Tariq Zazi, Najibullah's brother.
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(So marked.)
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aunts.
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Received.
Rabia Zazi, Rabia Zazi, the sister and Najibullah Zazi's
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Received.
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(So marked.)
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Naqib Jaji, the husband, Najibullah's uncle.
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At some point did other FBI offices become involved in
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this investigation?
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Yes.
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Which offices?
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The New York office.
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Did this rise to a national investigation?
Yes, absolutely.
Why did New York become involved?
In the early morning hours of September 9th, 2009,
Najibullah got in a rental car, drove across the country and
was on his way to New York City, eventually arrived here on
the 10th.
Najibullah ever return to Colorado?
Yes.
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When did he return?
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this trip from Colorado to New York City?
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Yes.
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Did New York open an investigations on other people
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connected with Najibullah?
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Adis Medunjanin, among others.
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Colorado were working on this investigation?
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I would estimate well over a hundred.
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What about New York?
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I believe every terrorism squad in New York City was
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working on this investigation.
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Were there surveillance teams with Najibullah throughout
Yes, they had investigations into Zarein Ahmedzay and
September of 2009, approximately how many agents in
Were there analysts assigned to this investigation as
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well?
Yes.
How are people actually getting their assignments?
In Denver, we had a command post that was operational
24 hours a day.
that command post.
How would you describe the pace of the investigation?
Very quick, very quick at that time.
Once Najibullah returned to Colorado, did your
The assignments were being doled out from
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Yes.
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Why?
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The investigation had become overt at that time, meaning
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it was known to him.
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at him.
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Who is the "he"?
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Najibullah was aware that law enforcement was looking
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into him.
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Why do you say that?
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We had received information that he had been tipped off
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here in New York by an individual who alerted him that law
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enforcement had been there with his photograph so he was aware
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of law enforcement's interest in him.
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after his return to Denver, the media caught wind of searches
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that was widely publicized back in Colorado.
Did you in fact see media?
They were knocking on his door, camped outside his house,
trying to interview him, any chance they got.
Did there come a time when you interviewed Najibullah?
Yes.
When was that?
First time was September 16th, 2009.
Where was that interview conducted?
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The Denver FBI field office.
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Who else attended the interview?
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My co-case agent was there.
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with his two attorneys.
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How long did that initial interview with Najibullah last?
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That interview lasted hours, well into the evening at
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that time.
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Najibullah, was he asked questions about his family?
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Yes.
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Ask about Amanullah Zazi?
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Yes.
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What did you first say about Amanullah Zazi?
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earlier, correct?
Objection.
Sustained.
We talked about this
Who made the objection, Ms. Colson?
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Not offering it in for the truth?
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I'll ask you the same question again.
asked questions about his family?
Yes.
Was he asked about Amanullah Zazi?
Yes.
What did he first say about Amanullah?
He first indicated to me he was his blood brother.
Did he make any other statements about Amanullah later in
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He then said well, we all know him.
Was Najibullah
He's always lived
It was somewhat confusing for us.

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Did he say he was his real brother.
Yes.
Did you have any further interviews with Najibullah in
Colorado?
Yes.
When?
Any interviews after that?
Also the 18th of September, 2009.
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Did there come a time where you searched any e-mail
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accounts?
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Yes.
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Whose e-mail account did you search?
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Those belonging to Najibullah Zazi.
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Did Najibullah give you consent to search his e-mail
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accounts.
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Yes.
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How many different e-mail accounts did he give you
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consent to search?
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Several.
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How did you get the password to those accounts?
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He provided them.
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In one of the gmail accounts in the sent folder we found
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Government Exhibit 25 A, B and C; is that right?
Yes.
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In another gmail -- in two other e-mail accounts we
MS. COLSON:
Objection.
THE COURT:
I'm sorry?
MS. COLSON:
I don't believe your Honor has ruled on
this yet.
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We have an objection.
THE COURT:
Overruled.
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They appeared to be formulations for explosive mixture,
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specifically triacetone triperoxide, or TATP.
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Exhibit 21, sir.
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these results that you found in your search of the
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zazmjhd@yahoo.com account?
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What are these?
That's one of the accounts, the zazmjhd@yahoo.com
And I have here 21, Exhibits 21 A through 21 B.
Are
Yes.
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Any objection?
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MS. COLSON:
We object to -- we don't object to 21
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A, 21 B.
A.
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Received.
I'm going to direct your attention to 21 A.
If I can put that on the screen for the jury.
Can
you just read right here, Agent Jergenson, what folder was
this in?
Zafarmal.
What is the date on the message there?
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December 2, 2008.
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I'm putting up Government Exhibit 21 B on the screen.
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that in fact the e-mail that was from Abdullah Zafarmal?
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It appears to be, yes.
14
This e-mail seems to indicate there's an attachment?
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Yes.
16
nine different attachments.
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That was in the in box and that message is from Abdullah
Is
It looks as those they are nine pages of documents,
MS. BERGER:
At this time I'd like to show the
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witness what is marked as Government Exhibit 22.
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Agent Jergenson, what is this?
20
Those are the attachments to the e-mail.
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formulations that I referred to earlier.
Those are the
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MS. BERGER:
The government would offer Exhibit 22.
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MS. COLSON:
We object.
The same objection we had
Sustained.
You can have him describe
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previously.
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for the jury generally what they contain but I don't want them
in evidence.
Sustained.
attachments were to Government Exhibit 21 B?
formulations or directions for the manufacture of TATP,
triacetone triperoxide, which is an explosive.
Agent Jergenson, can you generally describe what the
Again, they were handwritten notes that appeared to be
THE COURT:
Let me give you a little framework for
10
this testimony.
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government's case, but testimony like it.
12
is a case about allegations that the defendant obstructed
13
justice into an investigation.
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case about terrorism charges or building explosives and the
15
like.
16
I'm not sure what is coming in terms of the

As you know, this
It's not, strictly speaking, a
Obviously, at least it's obvious to me, there ought
17
to be some context regarding underlying terrorism crime and
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allegations about it -- people have pled guilty to it -- some
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backdrop for the evidence of the crimes charged.
20
We're not going to try the terrorism case, this
21
isn't the terrorism trial, but you need to know a little bit
22
about it in order to place into context and to appreciate the
23
evidence that the government is going to offer regarding
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efforts to obstruct justice.
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All right.
BHS
So we're going to dip our toe in the
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water here and there on the underlying crime just for purposes
of backdrop, but don't take your eye off the ball, the ball
here being the charges that the defendant endeavored,
conspired to endeavor to obstruct justice into the
investigation.
Okay?
Any objection to the limiting instruction?
MS. COLSON:
No, your Honor.
THE COURT:
How about from you, Miss Berger?
MS. BERGER:
No, Judge.
THE COURT:
Go ahead.
10
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BY MS. BERGER:
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the attachment, Agent Jergenson, did the attachment reference
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specific chemicals that would be used for explosives?
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Yes.
16
And were some of those chemicals ones that you could
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purchase at pharmacies or beauty supply stores?
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They could be purchased easily anywhere.
19
Did the notes reference acetone?
20
Yes.
21
What about hydrogen peroxide?
22
Yes.
23
In fact -- the last question on this -- did the notes
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specifically say that these materials could be purchased at
25
pharmacies or other retail stores?
Generally speaking, without getting into the specifics of
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They did.
I now show you what has been marked as Government
Exhibit 23.
move on though, one other question about Government
Exhibit 22.
This is going to be 23 A through F.
Before I
Had you ever seen -- when you recovered these notes
from Najibullah's e-mail accounts, had you ever seen them
before?
I had seen them before.
10
How had you seen them before?
11
Najibullah had, as we discussed earlier, he had come to
12
New York, he arrived in New York City on the 10th and left on
13
the 12th.
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His car was obtained by the FBI on September 11th,
15
towed to a secure facility, and searched.
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agents located his laptop computer.
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and imaged and within the image were these same formulations
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and notes that we have just looked at.
19
You were given a copy?
20
Yes.
21
The e-mail address, I think you testified to, that these
22
notes were attached to was Abdullah Zazi's mail; is that
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correct?
24
Yes.
25
Did you do any subpoenas on the IP address for that
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e-mail address?
Yes.
Where did that result to?
Pakistan.
Now showing you what has been marked as Government
Exhibit 23.
I will just show the witness, your Honor?
THE COURT:
Yes.
What is this?
10
That is another e-mail account, zazmjhd@hotmail.com.
11
Was this one of the e-mail accounts that you searched?
12
Yes.
13
And are Government Exhibit 23 A through F, are these all
14
results from the search of that e-mail account?
15
Yes.
16
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MS. BERGER:
F.
The government would offer 23 A through
I believe there would be an objection on 23 F.
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THE COURT:
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MS. BERGER:
Yes.
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THE COURT:
The cover page.
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MS. COLSON:
We do.
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THE COURT:
All right.
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Are you offering 23 as well?
Is that right, Miss
Colson?
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sustain.
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you just did.
We object to 23 E and 23 F.
Same ruling.
I'm going to
You can elicit from the witness similarly to what

I sustain the objection to 23 E and F.
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B, C and D are received.
(So marked.)
Agent Jergenson, calling your attention to Government
Exhibit 23 D.
account, same account as in Yahoo.
contains the attachments that we had just looked at, the
formulations for the TATP instruction.
What is this?
That is another e-mail from the Abdullah Zafarmal

In that account it just
And just directing your attention to the two lines there.
10
Were the he mails sent to two different e-mail addresses?
11
Were e-mails sent to two different e-mail addresses?
12
Yes.
13
One is the zazmjhd@yahoo.com and one is the
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zazmjhd@hotmail.com account?
15
That's correct.
16
This e-mail also attached the same bombing instructions;
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is that correct?
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Yes.
THE COURT:
When would be a good time to take our
morning break.
MS. BERGER:
I am about 3 or 4 minutes away from the
end of his direct.

THE COURT:
Why don't we finish up the direct and
we'll take a break.

MS. BERGER:
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Maybe closer to five.
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You're pressing it now, but try and
finish it.
you recognize this?
Yes.
Contained here are 24-A through D.
from the search of this e-mail account?
I'm showing you what is marked Government Exhibit 24:
Do
That is the najibzazi@yahoo.com address.

Are all these results
Yes.
MS. BERGER:
I would offer 24 and 24-A through D.
10
THE COURT:
Any objection?
11
MS. COLSON:
No objection.
12
THE COURT:
Received.
13
(So marked.)
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Can you just read what the address on this is?
15
Yes.
16
Showing you what is in evidence as 24-A.
17
It's an Orbitz travel record for -- it appears a flight
18
arrangement for Friday, September 11, 2009 on United Airlines.
19
What is the date of this flight?
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Friday, September 11, 2009.
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And where is the flight leaving from and going to?
22
Leaving New York New York, La Guardia and arriving at
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Denver, Colorado on the same day.
24
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confirmation?
It's najibzazi@yahoo.com.
Now, I'm going to show you 24 B.
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Is this also an Orbitz
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Yes.
And is this for a rental car?
Yes.
And can you see the -- what was arranged for the pickup
date and drop off date?
September 14, 2009.
Pick up location was Aurora, Colorado?
Yes.
10
Drop off location in Flushing Queens?
11
Yes.
12
I am going to show you what is marked as Government
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Exhibit 25, and this will be 25 A through H.
September 8th, pick up, 2009, and the drop off was
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THE COURT:
You said in evidence, did you mean
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MS. BERGER:
Sorry.
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THE COURT:
Go ahead.
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that?
Marked for identification.
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Agent Jergenson, do you recognize these?
19
Yes.
20
And is Government Exhibit 25 A through H the results of
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your search of that account?
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23
24
25
That is the njbzaz@yahoo.com address.
I believe so, yes.

MS. BERGER:
Your Honor, the government would offer
25 A through, and then 25 A through H.

THE COURT:
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Any objection?
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We object to 25 D and 25 E as
irrelevant.
THE COURT:
Overruled.
(So marked.)
MS. COLSON:
Received.
I would note for the record we also
object to 25 H for the same reasons.
Agent Jergenson --
THE COURT:
Hold on.
MS. BERGER:
Sorry.
THE COURT:
Overruled.
10
That is received too.
Go
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ahead.
12
13
Government Exhibit 25 A, B and C.
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about these e-mails back and forth between Sana Khan and this
15
njbzaz account; is that right?
16
Yes.
17
Were these e-mails, 25 A through C, also found during the
18
search of this account?
19
Yes.
20
Without putting those e-mails back up on the screen, do
21
those e-mails make a reference to a Mohammed?
22
Yes.
23
When you first discovered those e-mails, did you know who
24
Mohammed was?
25
Agent Jergenson, previously admitted into evidence were

I believe you testified
Absolutely not.
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Were there people associated with Najibullah named
Mohammed?
Yes.
Who?
His father, Mohammed Wali Zazi and his brother, Mohammad
Tariq Zazi.
opened under those people?
Yes.
10
Did you eventually learn who Mohammed was that referred
11
to in the e-mail -- just for clarity, 25 A as received in
12
evidence already.
13
in that e-mail was?
14
Yes.
15
Who was that?
16
Adis Nedunjanin.
17
When did you learn that?
18
Months after the opening of our investigation in Denver.
19
Agent Jergenson, you testified about many investigative
20
steps you took in connection with this investigation; is that
21
correct?
22
Yes.
23
About searches and surveillance.
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investigative steps all approved by a court?
25
Is that one of the reasons investigations were initially
Did your learn who the Mohammed referred to
Were these
Yes.
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And is it fair to say that these investigative steps are
not routine in all cases?
No, they're not.
Did there come a time when Najibullah was arrested?
Yes.
When was that?
September 19, 2009, the evening.
Was anyone else arrested on that day?
Yes.
Mohammed Wali Zazi was arrested along with
10
Najibullah and also Ahmad Wais Afzali was arrested in New York
11
City at that time.
12
Did the investigation continue after that date?
13
It did.
14
15
MS. BERGER:
Honor.
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I have no further questions, your
THE COURT:
We will resume in about ten minutes.
Don't discuss the case.
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(Jury leaves.)
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THE COURT:
All rise.
You can step down.
I got an ex parte
20
application from the government regarding a protective order,
21
a question whether to disclose certain information regarding a
22
witness, dated July 17th.
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clarify.
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stay ex parte.
25
I have an additional question to
I would like you to come up to sidebar.
(Sidebar-order sealed.)
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About how long do you think your cross
is?
MS. COLSON:
Fifteen, 20 minutes.
THE COURT:
Who's next?
MS. BERGER:
Your Honor, we have a stipulation to
road and then we'll be calling the cooperator, Amanullah Zazi.
THE COURT:
Is he around?
MS. BERGER:
He's in custody, your Honor.
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THE COURT:
Do the marshals know to bring him up?
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MS. BERGER:
Yes, your Honor.
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THE COURT:
All right.
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(Pause.)
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THE COURT:
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MS. COLSON:
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THE COURT:
Please be seated everyone.

May I proceed?
Yes.
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CROSS-EXAMINATION
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BY MS. COLSON:
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Good morning.
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Good morning.
22
You testified on direct that you interviewed Najibullah
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Zazi in September of 2009?
24
Yes.
25
And you conducted three interviews of him; correct?
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Yes.
The first interview took place on September 16th?
Yes.
That was at the FBI field office in Denver.
Yes.
Najibullah Zazi came to your office voluntarily on that
day, right?
He did.
When he arrived he was accompanied by his two lawyers; is
10
that correct?
11
Yes.
12
There names are Arthur Fulsome and Armstrong Graham?
13
Yes.
14
He was also accompanied by his father, Mohammed Wali
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Zazi?
16
Mohammed Wali Zazi was there, yes.
17
You took Najibullah and his two lawyers into an interview
18
room; is that correct?
19
Yes.
20
And Mohammed Wali Zazi, Najibullah's father, remained in
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the reception area?
22
Yes.
23
And he was there by himself; is that correct?
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I believe so, yes.
25
Well, he didn't appear to have an a lawyer with him, did
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he?
No.
And he didn't appear to have any other friends or
relatives with him, did he?
No.
By the way, his cellphone was taken from him when he
entered the building; is that correct?
also in the reception area.
Everybody's cellphone was maintained in a locker that was
10
You spoke to Najibullah Zazi for approximately eight
11
hours on that day; is that right?
12
I can't say specifically.
13
Many hours.
14
interview room; is that correct?
15
Yes.
16
And it was a hidden video camera?
17
Yes.
18
So the entire interview was videotaped, correct?
19
Yes.
20
It was videotaped without Najibullah Zazi's knowledge; is
21
that correct?
22
Correct.
23
At one point during the interview Najibullah Zazi's
24
father, Mohammed Wali Zazi, was brought into the room; is that
25
correct?
BHS
Okay.
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I know it was many hours.
And there was a video camera in the
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Yes.
And that is because you wanted to look at his cellphone;
is that correct?
Yes.
And you needed to get his permission to do that?
His consent, yes.
So he was brought into the room and he sat down; is that
correct?
I'm not sure if he was standing or if he ever sat down,
10
I'm not sure.
11
At a certain point you asked for his cellphone number?
12
I asked for his cellphone.
13
You asked for his cellphone?
14
Yes.
15
You asked for his cellphone number?
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Sure.
17
And he gave that to you; is that correct?
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He did.
19
There was no resistance on his part; is that correct?
20
Yes.
21
And he was polite to you; is that correct?
22
Yes.
23
Now, since there was a hidden video camera in the room,
24
your interaction with Mohammed Wali Zazi was videotaped; is
25
that correct?
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Yes.
MS. COLSON:
Your Honor, I have a video of that
moment.
By agreement with the government I'd like to
introduce it into evidence and play it for the jury.
THE COURT:
given it?
what?
Sure.
What exhibit number have we
We're feeding this from your laptop?
MS. COLSON:
16.
THE COURT:
Received.
10
(So marked.)
11
(Video plays.)
12
(Video stops.)
It's exhibit
13
So the phone you were examining in that video clip was
14
Mohammed Wali Zazi's phone?
15
Yes.
16
And Najibullah Zazi was helping you locate the contents;
17
is that correct?
18
Yes.
19
The man who walked into the room and asked Mohammed Wali
20
Zazi some questions, that was Arthur Fulsome; is that correct?
21
Yes.
22
And that was Najibullah Zazi's lawyer?
23
It is my understanding that Arthur Fulsome were
24
representing both.
25
both Najibullah and Mohammed Wali.
BHS
He and Armstrong Graham were representing
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building that day?
communicated to
representing both of them.
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Was that your understanding when they first entered the
It was shortly thereafter when they got there, it was

me that both of them were there for
Okay.
It was Ramadan; is that correct?
I'm not exactly sure.
You were told in that video clip that it was Ramadan; is
10
that correct?
11
I guess, yes.
12
They said on video clip that it was Ramadan; is that
13
correct?
14
Okay, yes.
15
You interviewed Najibullah Zazi for a second time on
16
September 17th; is that correct?
17
Yes.
18
And that interview also took place at the FBI office in
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Denver?
20
Yes.
21
And how many hours did that interview last?
22
Again, hours.
23
Was that interview videotaped?
24
No.
25
You interviewed him for a third time on September 18th;
BHS
Hours long.
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is that correct?
Yes.
And was that again at the FBI field office in Denver?
Yes.
And how long did that interview last?
Hours long.
Was that interview videotaped?
No.
Were any of the interviews with Mohammed Wali Zazi
10
videotaped?
11
Not to my knowledge.
12
You said you opened an investigation into this plot on
13
September 7th of 2009; is that correct?
14
Yes.
15
You didn't need court approval to open the investigation?
16
No.
17
You also participated in several interviews of Amanullah
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Zazi; is that correct?
19
Yes.
20
MS. BERGER:
Objection.
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THE COURT:
Overruled.
22
You interviewed Amanullah Zazi on September 2nd of 2009;
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is that correct?
24
I'm not sure of the exact date.
25
Would it refresh your recollection if I showed you copies
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of a report?
Yes.
MS. COLSON:
THE COURT:
302
May I publish this to the witness?

Yes.
It's Government Exhibit 3500 AZ 7.
Do you see that?
Yes.
So you interviewed Amanullah Zazi on December 2nd of
2009; is that correct?
10
Yes.
11
And that interview took place at the FBI office in
12
Denver; is that correct?
13
Yes.
14
And that is the same office where you had interviewed
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Najibullah Zazi?
16
Yes.
17
Amanullah Zazi was not in custody, was he?
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No.
19
He came in voluntarily; is that correct?
20
Yes.
21
This is before he pled guilty to anything; is that
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correct?
23
Yes.
24
Before he had a cooperation agreement?
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Yes.
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You didn't videotape that interview, did you?
No.
You didn't create an audio recording of that interview?
No.
So no recording of that interview exists today?
No.
Is that correct?
Yes.
You were present a for a second interview with Amanullah
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Zazi on December 10th?
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If I can see the 302, please.

MS. COLSON: I will publish this to the witness from
here, your Honor?
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THE COURT:
Sure.
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That interview also took place at the FBI office in
Denver; is that correct?
Yes.
And it was conducted in the SEC briefing room; is that
correct?
Yes.
Again, Amanullah Zazi was not in custody?
No.
He still had not pled guilty?
10
He had not pled guilty.
11
Now, this time, the briefing room where you interviewed
12
him was wired for audio; is that correct?
13
I'm not sure.
14
Would it refresh your recollection if I showed you the
15
last page of that 302?
16
Yes.
17
Take a look at the last paragraph there?
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I don't think that it was.
(Pause.)
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Okay.
20
So, the briefing room was wired for audio; is that
21
correct?
22
Apparently, yes.
23
And the audio was broadcast into a nearby room; is that
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correct?
25
Yes.
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And that's where several agents were listening to the
audio; is that correct?
Yes.
You didn't create an audio recording of that interview,
did you?
No.
So, there's no recording of that interview today?
No.
Now, the next interview you participated in with
10
Amanullah Zazi was on December 11; is that correct?
11
like to take a look at your report?
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part?
14
Sure, please.
Thank you.
Would you
If I can just see that bottom
Okay.
I'll show you the last page, as well?
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THE COURT:
Can you push it up a little bit?
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Is there a date on the bottom?
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THE WITNESS:
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THE COURT:
No.
It's just on the front page.
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Okay.
20
So, again, Amanullah Zazi came in voluntarily; is that
21
correct?
22
Yes.
23
He still was not in custody?
24
No.
25
THE COURT:
I think you began with the date.
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you mean to elicit it was December 11?
It was December 11?
Yes.
This is your third interview?
Yes.
The room was again wired for audio?
Yes.
Again, there were agents in another room listening?
Yes.
10
There was no audio recording created of that interview,
11
either; is that correct?
12
No.
13
Now, there was a fourth interview, and I'll show you your
14
302 that took place on December 12; is that correct?
15
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December 12.
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that correct?
19
Yes.
20
And again, he had not pled guilty yet?
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No.
22
He had not been offered his cooperation agreement yet?
23
No.
24
Again, the room was wired for audio?
25
Yes.
The date is going to be at the bottom.
Correct,
And the same thing, again, he came in voluntarily; is
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The audio was broadcast in a nearby room --
Yes.
Yes.
And again, there was no audio recording of that interview
made?
No.
Now, you interviewed him for a fourth time -- or, a fifth
time, I should say -- I apologize -- on December 14; is that
10
-- for monitoring by agents?
correct?
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THE COURT:
Do you want to take a look at the 302
again?
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THE WITNESS:
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THE COURT:
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302 is.
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Yes, please.
Maybe we ought to tell the jury what a
What's a 302?
THE WITNESS:
A 302 is just our standard way of
documenting interviews that we conduct.
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THE COURT:
That's the number on the form, yes?
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THE WITNESS:
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THE COURT:
It's called a FD, Standard Form 302.
Go ahead, Ms. Colson.
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That interview did not take place at the FBI office?
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No.
23
Where did that interview take place?
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Fort Collins, Colorado.
25
Was he in custody at that time?
It says "Vicinity of Fort Collins, Colorado."
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No.
That interview was not recorded, either; is that correct?
No.
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THE COURT:
It's not correct, or it was not
recorded?
THE WITNESS:
It was not recorded.
That was the last interview Amanullah Zazi had in
Colorado before he was sent to New York; is that correct?
I can't say for sure.
It was likely the last one that I
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was involved in.
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correct?
13
I don't know.
14
Have you participated in any interviews of Amanullah Zazi
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since that last date, December 14?
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some documentation.
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Okay.
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No.
When he got to New York, he was given a lawyer; is that
Again, not that I am aware of.
I may have, if there's
Have you participated in any recently?
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Any redirect?
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No further questions.
Thank you, Ms. Colson.
Just briefly, your Honor.
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Agent Jergenson, you were shown a portion of a videotape
earlier; do you recall that?
Yes.
Was that just a portion of the entire interview you had
with Amanullah Zazi on that date?
Yes.
I believe you testified that the individual that walked
in the room at some point was an attorney; is that right?
Yes.
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And did the attorney say, on that video, that he was
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comfortable with the questions that the FBI agents had been
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asking Mr. Zazi?
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Yes.
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And his lawyer said that it was finished with him if
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Mr. Mohammed Wali Zazi, the defendant, continued to answer
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questions from the FBI; is that correct?
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Yes.
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Agent Jergenson, you were asked about a number of
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interviews that you conducted with Amanullah Zazi; is that
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right?
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Yes.
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And were reports prepared after those interviews
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detailing statements made by the witness during those
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interviews?
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Every time.
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right?
Yes.
So, the video -- the videotape, is a detailed report
prepared?
And those are the FBI 302's that you referred to; is that
Yes.
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Objection.
Overruled.
In the video, there was some talk where you're looking at
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the cell phone and you said something about, This is against
11
the rules.
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there?
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cell phone within that space.
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leave the cell phones out in reception area, because there was
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a search going on simultaneously with the interviews that day.
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We didn't want anyone there to be getting a phone call, to be
18
advised of the search.
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possibility that they could have called off the interview.
Don't saying anything.
What were you referring to
It was basically a ruse or -- anyone can operate their

What we were trying to do is,
We were fearful that there was a
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MS. BERGER:
Thank you.
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Anything further, Ms. Colson?
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(Witness excused.)
Thank you, Ms. Berger.
No.
You can step down.
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MS. MARRUS:
apologize.
Call your next witness.

Your Honor, we call Amanullah Zazi -- I
We were going to read a stipulation first.
THE COURT:
Tell them to hold up one second.
A stipulation is the result of both sides agreeing
that certain facts can be considered proved by you.
Stipulations eliminate the need for witnesses to come to court
unnecessarily, because the parties agree that the facts that
are stipulated to should be considered by you as proved for
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the purpose of the trial.
What weight to give them in the
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final analysis is up to you.
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Are you going to read this, Mr. Goldsmith?
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MR. GOLDSMITH:
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THE COURT:
Yes, your Honor.
When he reads the facts that have been
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stipulated to, listen to them and you should consider those
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facts to be proved for the purposes of trial.
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skip the preliminary stuff and get to the facts that are
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stipulated to.
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MR. GOLDSMITH:
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"Paragraph 1:
Feel free to

Government Exhibits 70, 71, 72, 73,
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74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 79 and 80 are recordings of conversations
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that were lawfully obtained by the government.
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"2.
Government Exhibits 70-T, 71-T, 72-T, 73-T,
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74-T, 75-T, 76-T, 77-T, 78-T, 79-T and 80-T are accurate
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transcripts and translations of the recordings described in
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paragraph one.
prepared with input by the government and the defense.
"4.
These transcripts and translations were
Government Exhibits 70-T, 71-T, 72-T, 73-T,
74-T, 75-T, 76-T, 77-T, 78-T, 79-T and 80-T accurately
indicate the date and time at which each recorded conversation
began.
Government Exhibits 70-T, 71-T" --
THE COURT:
MR. GOLDSMITH:
THE COURT:
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Can we skip that and go "70 to 80-T"?

This is different.
Great.
MR. GOLDSMITH:
--
"70-T through 78-T, which are
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transcripts of translations of telephone calls, accurately
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indicate the telephone numbers involved in the calls.
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"In September 2009, the phone number 303-500-2877

was used by Najibullah Zazi.
was used by Amanullah Zazi.
was used by Amanullah Zazi.
was used my Naqib Zazi and Rabia Zazi.
was used by Zaheer Akbar.
"In September 2009, phone number 347-228-6738 was
used by Naqib Jaji.
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was used by Mohammed Wali Zazi.

was used by Zaheer Akbar.
"In September 2009, phone number 917-217-3319 was
used by Ahmad Wais Afzali.
"Government Exhibits 70 through 80, 70-T through
80-T and this stipulation are admissible in evidence."
The government offers this stipulation as
Government's Exhibit 60 and the exhibits listed in the
stipulation.
THE COURT:
60 is received as 70 through 80, and
70-T through 80-T.

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Your Honor, with the next witness, we
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intend to publish some of the recordings that were in the
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stipulation, and we have a binder to pass out to the Court
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when we get to that part.
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THE COURT:
Why don't you pass them out now while we
are getting the witness?

Don't look at anything until we tell you to.
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go foraging around in the books.
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to the right transcript at the right time.
Don't
We'll invite your attention
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If you can bring out the witness, please, Ilene.
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Everyone have a seat while the witness
is sworn, please.
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A M A N U L L A H
Z A Z I,
having been duly sworn, was examined and
testified as follows:
THE LAW CLERK:
THE WITNESS:
THE COURT:
THE WITNESS:
THE COURT:
MS. MARRUS:
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State your name and spell it.
Amanullah Zazi.
Could you spell your name.

A M A N U L L A H, Z A Z I, Zazi.
Thank you.
May I inquire?
Yes, you may.
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Good afternoon, sir.
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Good afternoon.
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Mr. Zazi, where were you born?
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Pakistan.
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And is English your first language?
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No. Pashto.
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THE COURT:
Let's do this:
There's an interpreter
present, obviously.
It's also clear that you have some command of
English; correct?
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Yes.
Unless somebody wants to object, in
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which case I'll hear you, why don't you just use the
interpreter as you need him, if you need him.
translate unless you ask him to.
THE WITNESS:
THE COURT:
THE WITNESS:
THE COURT:
MS. MARRUS:
So, he won't
Okay.
Fair enough?
Yes.
Is that all right?

Absolutely.
Mr. Zazi, how old are you?
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Twenty-four.
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You said you were born in Pakistan.
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Pakistan, in Peshawar.
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Do you currently live in the United States?
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Yes.
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Are you testifying here today because you signed a
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cooperation agreement?
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Yes.
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As a term of that cooperation agreement, did you plead
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guilty to crimes?
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Yes.
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Could you please tell the jury what crimes you pled
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guilty to?
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Adis and Zarein, helped them get their Al-Qaeda training.
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Where in Pakistan?
I pled guilty for I took my cousin Najibullah Zazi and
Where was that?
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Waziristan, overseas.
Did you yourself go as to Waziristan for Al-Qaeda
training?
No.
How did you help Najibullah, Adis and Zarein get Al-Qaeda
training?
student, and then I went to the sheik and told him there are
three guys, one is my cousin, and two others, and they came
I connected them -- I went to the sheik, I used to be his
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from the States and want to go to Waziristan.
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Did the sheik help them to get to Waziristan?
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Yes.
13
You talked about your cousin Najibullah Zazi.
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MS. MARRUS:
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THE COURT:
Permission to publish?
Yes.
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Government's Exhibit 6 in evidence, do you recognize him?
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Yes.
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Who is that?
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Najibullah Zazi, my cousin.
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Is that one of the people that you helped go to
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Waziristan for Al-Qaeda training?
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Yes.
MS. MARRUS:
Your Honor, may I have permission to
publish these photographs to the jury on a board?

THE COURT:
Sure.
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MS. MARRUS:
THE COURT:
MS. MARRUS:
Around the corner.

Where are you going to set it up?
In front of counsel table, not on an
easel.
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THE COURT:
So it's down low and we don't block
anyone's view?
MS. MARRUS:
BY MS. MARRUS:
Exactly.
two other men, Adis and Zarein?
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Yes.
12
Showing you --
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MS. MARRUS:
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are in evidence yet.
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Thank you.
You mentioned that in addition to Najibullah, you helped
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Your Honor, I don't believe that these
Showing you Government's Exhibit 17 for identification.

Do you know who that is.
Yes, it's Adis.
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THE COURT:
Hold on.
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Are you moving that in?
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MS. MARRUS:
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THE COURT:
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MS. COLSON:
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THE COURT:
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(So marked.)
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THE COURT:
Yes, your Honor.

Any objection?
No, your Honor.
Received.
Show it to him, now that it's in.
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other one.
MS. MARRUS:
Who is this?
Adis.
There it is.
MS. MARRUS:
One more that's not in evidence.
Showing you what has been marked for identification as
Yes.
Do you know who that is?
His name is Zarein.

MS. MARRUS:
I offer Government's Exhibit 18 into
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MS. COLSON:
No objection.
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THE COURT:
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(So marked.)
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evidence.
Received.
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Who is Zarein?
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The third guy.
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That went to Waziristan for Al-Qaeda training?
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Yes.
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Did you plead guilty to any other crimes?
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Yes.
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What?
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Destroying chemicals and lied to the grand jury.
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You said that you destroyed chemicals.
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when was that?
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2009.
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Was that before or after Najibullah, Adis and Zarein came
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back from Al-Qaeda training, from Waziristan?
It was after.
Whose chemicals did you destroy?
Najibullah.
What did you believe that those chemicals were going to
be used for?
For a bomb.
Why did you destroy them?
Because to protect him.
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Did you destroy them on your own, or with other people?
11
With other people.
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With who?
13
With my Aunt Rabia and my other aunt, Sultan Bibi.
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Prior to destroying the chemicals, did you have any
15
conversations with anyone about what you were going to do?
16
Yes.
17
Who was a part of that conversation?
18
My uncle Wali and Sultan, me and Rabia.
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Can you tell the members of the jury what happened during
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that conversation?
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house, and he said that, Now Naqib -- Zaher told me that, that
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he was saying that Naqib told Zaher that he have a chemical in
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his garage.
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sat down for five minutes, and then Rabia went to like the
We had a conversation in our house.
My uncle came from the garage or somehow he came to the
And then an hour later, Rabia came and then we
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bedroom or a bathroom and pointed at my Aunt Sultan Bibi to
talk to her, and then she came back, and Sultan Bibi told Wali
that she's saying that, Naqib sent me here, and Naqib saying
that I have chemicals in my garage.
I'm not responsible for it, and if you want to do anything
about it.
Who was talking in that conversation?
Sultan Bibi.
Who was she talking to?
10
My uncle Wali.
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What, if anything, did Wali say in response?
12
Wali was kind of pissed.
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now.
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to kill -- first, he told Zaher that my son was going to kill
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himself.
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garage.
He said, Look at this bastard
He's saying that, First, he told Zaher that he's going
Now, he's saying that he have chemicals in his
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If anything happens, and
And then Rabia was like, Oh, we're in the same

situation.
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Then a couple of minutes later, they said, Okay, me
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and Sultan Bibi, we will go there and take care of it.
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Okay?
22
Let's go back through that a little slowly.
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So, you said that Rabia had come over and talked to
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Sultan Bibi in the bathroom?
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talking.
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I don't know if they
went to the bathroom or bedroom.
You didn't hear that conversation; is that correct?
Yes.
After they had their private conversation, was there then
a conversation between Sultan Bibi and Wali?
Yes.
So, the four of you, yourself, Rabia, Sultan Bibi and
Wali Zazi were in -- were together and having a conversation?
Rabia was there, too, and I was there, too.
10
Yes.
11
And during that conversation, what did Sultan Bibi report
12
to Wali?
13
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and saying that he have chemicals in his garage, and if
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something happened, and I'm not responsible for it.
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can do anything, do about it.
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Naqib had told --
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Rabia.
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Naqib had told Rabia there were chemicals in his house?
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He sent her like as a messenger, yes.
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What, if anything, did Rabia ask Sultan Bibi, Wali or
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yourself to do?
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Whatever you got to do about it, do it.
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She said that, Rabia is saying that Naqib sent me there
If you
And then --
She said, We're not responsible if anything happens.
You said during this conversation someone said that you
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and Sultan Bibi should go over --
MR. HARRIS:
THE COURT:
Objection.
Overruled.
You said during this conversation that someone had said
that Sultan Bibi and yourself would go over to take care of
the chemicals; is that correct?
Yes.
And who said that?
Wali.
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When Wali told you to take care of the chemicals, what
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did you understand that to mean?
12
To destroy.
13
Showing you Government's Exhibit 7 in evidence.
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that?
15
That's my Uncle Wali.
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Is that the Wali that you said told you to destroy the
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chemicals?
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Yes.
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Showing you Government's Exhibits 10 in evidence.
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that?
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Sultan Bibi.
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What is her relationship for you?
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She's my aunt.
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How is she related to Wali?
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His wife.
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Is she one of the people that you went over to destroy
the chemicals with?
Yes.
Showing you Government's Exhibit 13 in evidence.
that?
Rabia.
How is she related to you?
She's my aunt.
How is she related to Wali?
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His sister.
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And is she one of the people who helped you destroy the
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chemicals?
13
Yes.
14
Who is this?
15
Naqib.
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How is he related to you?
17
He's my aunt's husband.
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When you say your "aunt," which aunt?
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Rabia.
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And was he the person who had said that the chemicals
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were in his house?
22
Yes.
23
You said that you pled guilty to not only destroying the
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chemicals, but lying in the grand jury.
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own, or with other people?
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Did you lie on your
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had inside the jury.
I don't know if other people -- everybody went to the

I didn't went with them.
I don't know whatever they
We were told -- I lied.
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CONTINUING DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MS. MARRUS:
Prior to your testimony in the grand jury, did you have
conversations with other people about the grand jury?
house, everybody was talking, like keeping quiet, whatever
happens.
Who was there at Babrak's house?
Babrak was there, Zaheer, Wali, Rabia and Kubra and me,
Yes, when we received the subpoena, went to Babrak's
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Naqib Murwari.
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the grand jury?
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anything, just tell them we don't know nothing.
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specific?
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Zaheer, Naqib, Wali and Babrak, Rukia and Kubra.
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Was this before or after you helped Najibullah go to
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Waziristan for Al Qaeda training?
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It was after.
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Was this before or after you and Wali and Sultan Bibi and
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Najiba and Naqib had helped to destroy the chemical?
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What was the conversation you had at the house regarding
Everybody was like if anybody asked a question about
When you say everyone said that, would you be more
After.
MS. MARRUS:
I don't believe these photographs are
in evidence yet.
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Yes.
Who is that?
Zaheer.
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I'm showing you Government Exhibit 14, you recognize
MS. MARRUS:
Offer Government Exhibit 14 into
MS. HARRIS:
No objection.
THE COURT:
evidence.
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Received.
(So marked.)
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Was Zaheer at that meeting at Babrak's house?
12
Yes.
13
Was Zaheer also the one you mentioned earlier who had
14
discussed the chemicals in Naqib's house?
15
Yes.
16
MS. MARRUS:
I have one more that I don't believe
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is in evidence.
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you recognize him?
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Yes.
21
Who is that?
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Babrak.
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Was that the person, was he also at that meeting when you
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discussed what was going to be said in the grand jury?
25
Showing you Government Exhibit 15 for identification, do
Yes.
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MS. MARRUS:
Offer Government Exhibit 15 into
MS. HARRIS:
No objection.
THE COURT:
(So marked.)
evidence.
Received.
Are there other members of Wali's family?
Does he have
other children other than Najibullah?
Yes.
Who?
10
Murwari, Najibullah, Tariq, Usman and Khadija.
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I'm showing you Government Exhibit 11.
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Murwari.
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Was she at that meeting when you discussed lying in the
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grand jury?
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Who is that?
Yes.
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THE COURT:
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MS. MARRUS:
Is this in evidence?
Yes, this should be in evidence.
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I'm showing you Government Exhibit number 9, who is that?
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Tariq.
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Was he at that meeting when discussing the grand jury?
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I don't recall.
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You don't recall?
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No.
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I'm showing you Government Exhibit number 8.
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That's me.
THE COURT:
Who?
THE WITNESS:
THE COURT:
Me.
Keep your voice up.
You mentioned lying in the grand jury.
little more specifically about that.
the things you lied about?
Yes.
Were you asked questions about who were your parents?
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Yes.
11
Were you asked about your relationship to Wali?
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Yes.
13
What did you say about your relationship to Wali?
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He's my father.
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Did you say how he was your father?
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He adopted me.
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Why did you say that Wali adopted you?
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Because I lied.
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Let me ask you this.
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about where you discussed lying in the grand jury, did anyone
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talk about your relationship to Wali and what you should say
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in the grand jury?
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Yes.
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Who?
25
Wali told me tell them that I adopted you when you were
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Do you remember some of
At that meeting that you talked
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two years old and I just find out and I never know about it.
old?
Was that true?
Were you adopted when you were two years
No.
MS. MARRUS:
THE COURT:
One more picture not yet in evidence.

Okay.
I'm showing you Government Exhibit number 16.
recognize that picture?
Yes.
10
Who is that?
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Ahmad Wais.
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MS. MARRUS:
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evidence, your Honor.
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MS. HARRIS:
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THE COURT:
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(So marked.)
I move Government Exhibit 16 into
No objection.
Received.
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Who is Ahmad Wais?
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Our teacher.
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You say our teacher.
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Mine, Naqib and Tariq.
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When was he your teacher?
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In 2000.
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For how many years was he your teacher?
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Two, two and a half or three.
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Where did he teach?
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In Abu Bakr's masjid.
Is that a mosque?
Yes.
Where was the Abu Bakr mosque?
Queens, flushing.
What was Wais's role at the mosque?
He was our teacher and sometimes he used to give a speech
out in the mosque.
Can you explain what you mean by a speech?
Who would he
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speak in front of?
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12
education --
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people at the mosque?
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On Fridays only.
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Would this be in front of the congregation?
17
Yes.
18
Did Wali know Wais?
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Yes.
20
How, how do you know that?
21
Because we used to mention his name in our house and his
22
wife came to the house a couple of times and once we had a
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party in Zaheer's house.
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He was like a popular guy in our community.
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Like Muslim people in the mosque, like give Islamic

I mean Islamic ceremony.
This would be in front of a large or small group of
Wais was there, talking about it.
We've gone through your extended family.
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aunt and cousins.
Lal Mohammad and Najiba.
Where do they live?
Overseas, Pakistan.
What is Lal's relationship to Wali?
father's relationship to Wali?
Brothers.
How many brothers and sisters does Wali have?
Seven brothers, three sisters.
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Who is the oldest?
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Wali.
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You said Najibullah is Wali's son; is that right?
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Yes.
14
Who is he married to?
15
To my sister.
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What is her name?
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Marzia.
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Where is she?
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Pakistan.
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Do you have other brothers and sisters?
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Yes.
22
Where are they?
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Pakistan.
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Are you the oldest?
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Yes.
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At some point did you come to the United States?
Yes.
When?
1999, August 1st.
Approximately how old were you at the time?
12 or 13.
Up until you came to the United States in 1999, who did
you live with?
With Wali.
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I'm sorry.
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States, before you came to the United States, who did you live
12
with?
13
My mother, my parents.
14
Where?
15
Overseas, Pakistan.
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When you came to the United States, who did you live
17
with?
18
Wali.
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Why did you come to the United States?
20
To live here, have education.
21
Where did Wali live at the time in 1999 when you came
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here?
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Queens, Flushing.
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Did there come a time when you left the United States?
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Yes.
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Approximately when?
2003.
Where did you go?
Pakistan.
Would you explain to the jury why you left briefly?
Because I was using drugs and I wasn't behaving in
school, getting into a lot of fights.
You said you were using drugs.
Marijuana.
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15.
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How often were you using marijuana at that time?
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Most days.
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Most days?
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Yes.
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You said you went back to Pakistan?
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Yes.
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How long did you stay in Pakistan?
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Six months.
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Who did you live with when you went back to Pakistan?
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My mother, my father, my father Lal Mohammad and my
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After six months, did you come back to the United States?
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Yes.
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Why did you come back?
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I didn't plan there to go forever.
When you came back, where did you live?
With Wali.
Where was that?
Queens, Flushing.
You said that you left the United States in 2003 because
you were getting into trouble and doing drugs.
when you came back to the United States?
It was the same thing.
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I started more drugs, started drinking alcohol.
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What kind of drugs were you doing?
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I did marijuana, like every day, and did cocaine a couple
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did you decide to go back to Pakistan a second time?
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Yes.
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Approximately how much does a plane ticket back to
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Pakistan cost at that time?
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Dollars?
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Yes.
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Initially did you buy a ticket?
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Yes.
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How did you get the money to buy a ticket?
What happened
I got worse and worse.
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I stole it.
From?
Wali.
How much did you steal?
A thousand dollars.
What happened to that ticket?
I returned it back.
Why?
Because everybody give me a lecture, don't go.

Don't come, stay there.
My father
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Did you ultimately go to Pakistan?
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When I got the ticket?
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After you got the ticket, you returned the ticket.
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After that I went back, yes.
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When?
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Two months later.
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Is this still in 2004?
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In 2004, yes.
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Where did you get the money to go back to Pakistan the
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Wali bought a ticket for me.
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How long did you stay in Pakistan your second trip?
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Five years.
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Who did you live with?
Then I went back to the states.
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Lal Mohammad and Najiba, my grandmother.
Your parents?
Yes.
Turning you're attention to August of 2008, were you
still in Pakistan at that time?
Yes.
Did Najibullah come to Pakistan in August of 2008?
Yes.
Did he come alone or with other people?
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He came with two guys, Hadis and Zarin.
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Did you know Hadis and Zarin?
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Yes.
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How?
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From school, from here in New York.
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Where did Najibullah, Hadis and Zarin stay when they came
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to Pakistan?
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Lal Mohammad's house, my father's.
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Zarin, he was there for the wife and add Hadis going to
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get a wife.
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were coming for Hadis to get a wife and Zarin Najibullah were
Did you learn whether or not that was true, that they
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coming to visit their wives, was that true?
No.
What was the truth?
To go to training.
You helped them get that training?
Al Queda training.
Did anyone else offer to try to help them get Al Queda
training?
Yes, Zarin.
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Were you successful?
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Yes.
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I studied under him.
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like later on.
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Did you later learn who that guy was?
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Yes.
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Who?
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Ahmed.
How did you know
He was my teacher.
He said if the guy is available, I'll call him.
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Did Ahmed help Najibullah, Hadis and Zarin go to
Waziristan for training?
Yes.
Where did Najibullah, Hadis and Zarin go for Al Qaeda
training?
Waziristan.
Let's talk about your time in Pakistan.
there, did you start doing drugs again?
Yes.
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What kind of drugs?
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Opium, hashish and medical.
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You say medical.
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Yes.
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How often were you doing hashish?
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Every day.
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How often were you doing opium?
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Most days.
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What about pharmaceutical drugs?
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Most days.
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Where did you get the money to take the drugs?
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My father, my mother, my grandmother, sometimes friends.
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Sometimes we would get it free.
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You mean pharmaceutical drugs?
When you would get the money from your parents and
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or three years.
They stopped giving
me money.
At some point did you start stealing money?
Yes.
Who did you steal money from?
From my grandmother and father, I mean --
When did you leave Pakistan?
2009.
Do you remember the date?
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April 16th.
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Where did you live when you came back?
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Queens, Flushing.
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With who?
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Wali.
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You testified that while you were in Pakistan you helped
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Najibullah, Hadis and Zarin travel to get Al Qaeda training.
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When you returned to New York, did you talk to anyone about
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what they had done?
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Yes.
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Who?
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One of my friends, Wali and there's another guy.
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Tell us about your conversation that you had with Wali.
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A month, a month and a half or a month later.
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Can you tell the jury what was said?
We were talking about overseas and conversation end up by
somehow I told him one.
Najib and Hadis and Zarin I could take you to Waziristan.
After that when he left, I told Naqib told don't trust this
guy, he works for the government.
they got caught on checkpoint, came back in the morning.
were so upset.
Came to the house, Yassin came to the house and told
When he left, then tomorrow
I told them I could hook you up with somebody,
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I don't remember.
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You said you told Wali you helped Hadis, Zarin and
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going to Waziristan?
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No.
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At some point --
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up with?
Did you tell them why they were
withdrawn.
At the end of that conversation, what if anything
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He said don't tell nobody.
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He said not to tell anybody?
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Yes.
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At some point did you move from New York?
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Yes.
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Colorado.
Did the rest of Wali's family go as well?
Yes.
When did the family move to Colorado?
2009, August 1st.
Where did you live this Colorado?
Aurora, Smoky Hill.
Aurora?
Smoky Hill.
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Yes.
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The street?
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How far from Denver, downtown Denver, is Aurora?
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20 minutes, 30 minutes.
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You talked about Naqib, Zaheer and Babrak.
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Yes.
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With Wali, Sultan Bibi, Tariq, Najibullah, Usman and
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Khadija.
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Wali's youngest kids.
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You mentioned Osman and Khadija.
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I don't believe those
Can you tell us who they are?
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Eight and nine.
How big was the apartment that Wali, Sultan Bibi,
Najibullah, Murwari, Tariq, yourself and Khadija and Hussain
lived in?
Three bedroom house.
Earlier you talked about helping to destroy Najibullah's
chemicals.
house?
Did you ever see Najibullah using chemicals in the
Yes, one morning I saw him.
He was boiling something on
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He said don't worry about it.
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I went to work, came back, I saw a greazer.
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What was a greazer?
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Water heater.
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Approximately when was it you found boiling something on
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the stove?
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Was it before or after you destroyed the chemical?
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It was before.
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boiling?
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It looked like a gray color, like a clay.
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Was it a thick consistency?
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Yes.
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Approximately how much was in the teapot, did you see?
I don't know the exact time.
It was 2009.
I don't know
What did it look like?
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Probably three-quarters.
Full in the teapot?
Yes.
Can you show with your hands about how big the teapot
was?
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Indicating maybe about a foot, a foot
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You agree?
Yes, your Honor.
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Where was he boiling the gray clay consistency substance?
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In the kitchen.
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First of all, what time was it approximately?
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Probably 8:30 or 9:00 o'clock.
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The morning or night?
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Morning.
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Was anyone else home at that time?
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I think Murwari was home.
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Did Najibullah appear to try to hide the liquid or was it
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Overruled.
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What was he doing with the liquid?
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on the stove.
Approximately how much later did you come back?
Three hours.
When you came back to the house, where was that gray
clay-like liquid?
Next to the greazer.
The greazer you said was the water heater?
Yes.
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In the kitchen.
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At this point what was the consistency of the liquid?
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Kind of muddy.
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hide it?
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It was open.
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Yes.
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What kind of videos?
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Jihadi.
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Did you ever watch parts of the videos with him?
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Yes.
You said you left the house, you came back.
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Did you watch the whole videos or just parts of it?
A little bit.
Did he continue to watch videos even after you stopped
watching the videos?
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Objection, your Honor.

Sustained.
When you say he was watching Jihadi videos, can you
describe what you saw?
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Let's break for lunch.
We'll resume at 2:00 o'clock.

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chairs.
Don't discuss
All rise.
Leave your transcript books on your
Thank you, ladies and gentlemen.
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THE COURT:
What do you want to elicit about this
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Take the witness out, please.
witness, about the videos he watched?
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Najibullah would watch videos in the
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house, made no effort to hide the videos and that they were
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Jihadi videos, just trying to explain what they meant, Jihadi
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house, did not make any effort to hide it.
THE COURT:
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That's it?
That he would say there was fighting
in the videos, that it was Russian versus Mujahideen in the
video.
THE COURT:
MS. MARRUS:
THE COURT:
It's the Afghan/Russian conflict?

Yes.
How is it relevant to the charges
against this defendant?
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Mr. Zazi had no knowledge what was going.
Given the fact
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Mr. Zazi knew the defendant went to Waziristan, knew the car
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was rented to go to New York and various other factors, that
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that's simply incorrect.
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He knew something was up.
How does that advance the ball for the government proving
He knew the nature of the FBI investigation.
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I think they're essentially trying to
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There's no direct evidence our
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Has no relevance, being on constructive notice or
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THE COURT:
I'll allow it.
The probative value
doesn't blow me away.
I don't see any unfair prejudice in it.
You could argue to the jury he wasn't there, he didn't see it,
but the obviousness of Najibullah's sentiments within that
household, I think, is fair game.
I'll allow it.
I want to see counsel at side bar, please.
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(Open court.)
THE COURT:
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Good afternoon.
Please be seated in
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(Witness resumes.)
THE COURT:
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Yes, your Honor.
MS. HARRIS:
Yes.
THE COURT:
Are you ready?
Do you want to be heard any further on
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The government would request that the
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Granted.
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JOHN RILEY:
John Riley from Newsday.
On behalf of
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the media, we would -- actually, I have a letter here
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requesting the release of that transcript.
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the sealing.
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I would object to
I will make the requisite findings.
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MR. RILEY:
Thank you.
THE COURT:
(Jury present.)
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May I inquire, your Honor?
THE COURT:
Yes, you may.
You're welcome.
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MS. MARRUS:
Mr. Zazi, first of all, are you currently incarcerated?
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Yes.
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Before the break we were talking about events that were
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going on in the house in Colorado.
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gears and talk a little bit about jobs.
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Colorado, did you have a job?
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Yes.
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What was your job?
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Delivery.
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What did you deliver?
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Food.
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What about Najibullah, did Najibullah have a job?
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Yes.
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As a taxi driver did Najibullah have his own car?
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Yes.
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What kind of car did he have?
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He had a van.
(Continuing.)
I would like to switch

Were you employed in
He was a shadow taxi driver.
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A van?
Yes.
And Wali, did Wali I have a job?
No.
And just to be clear, when I say Wali, is that your
understanding, Mohammed Wali Zazi?
Yes.
You talked about Naqib who is your aunt's husband.
Naqib have a job?
No.
We were opening a taxi company.
Did
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Yes.
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What was his job?
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He was a shadow driver too, taxi driver.
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You also talked about Babrak and Zaheer.
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explain to the jury how you're related to Babrak and Zaheer?
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Zaheer and Babrak's wife are my father cousins.
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When you say your father, who are you referring to?
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Lai Mohammad and Wali, he's my uncle.
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They are brothers?
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Brothers.
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Babrak and Zaheer are Wali and Lai's cousin?
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No, their wives are our father uncle's cousins.
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What about the women in the family, do the women in the
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family work?
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No.
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Directing your attention to September of 2009.
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They are cousins.
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Najibullah leave Colorado to go on a trip?
Yes.
Where did he tell you he was going?
Chicago.
Did he say why?
For tabligh.
What is tabligh?
Islamic education.
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Preaching.
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So you said that Najibullah said that he was going on
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tabligh, which you said is Islamic preaching?
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Yes.
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How did he leave, did he fly, did he drive, take a train?
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He drove.
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What car did he drive?
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No.
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How do you know that?
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Because we try to eat food for fasting and he say, Can
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you start the car.
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he didn't working and he was at a window, like that's not the
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car.
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it up.
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Had you ever seen that car before?
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No.
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Did Najibullah say anything to you about why he had
Did he drive his car?
He drove a rent a car.
So then I went to try and start it up but
Next to it, that's the car, start it up.
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rented a car as opposed to using his own car?
No.
After Najibullah left did there come a time that you
learned from Wali that the FBI was investigating Najibullah?
Do you understand the question?
Yes.
But he came, he said Ahmad Wais called and said
there's FBI looking for four guys -- FBI showed Ahmad Wais
pictures.
When you say he came and he said that Ahmad Wais -- that
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he had spoken to Ahmad Wais, who is he?
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Wali.
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And so when did you have this conversation, do you
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remember, about how long after Najibullah left?
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Probably 4, 5 days.
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And where were you at the time of the conversation, do
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you recall?
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Living room in my house.
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And who was present for that conversation?
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I was there, Sultan Bibi, Murwari was there and I don't
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know anybody else.
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Our teacher from New York.
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And that is that picture down there in Government
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And when you said that Ahmad Wais called, who is Ahmad
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Yes.
And what did Wali tell you that Ahmad Wais had said?
He said that FBI showed four pictures to Ahmad Wais
looking for them.
those the pictures?
Yes.
Did Wali tell you why the FBI was showing pictures to
Ahmad Wais?
Was Adis, Zarein, Najibullah and me.
You said Adis, Zarein, Najibullah and yourself.
Were
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Based on what you learned from Wali that Ahmad Wais had
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seen pictures of yourself, Najibullah, Adis and Zarein, did
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In New York.
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How did you find that out?
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calling him and I try and call him like 6, 7 times and he
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didn't pick up the phone and then later on he called and we
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were like, Where are you?
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People say anything, ask about me, tell them that I am here
I was thinking maybe they find out or somebody told them
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for a coffee truck, for renewing a permit for a coffee truck.
say about what you should say about why he was in New York?
What did he say about the reason he was -- what did he
MS. HARRIS:
Objection.
THE COURT:
Overruled.
What did Najibullah say to tell people about why he was
in New York?
To renewing his coffee truck permit.
Did you believe him?
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Why?
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Because first he said he going to Chicago, and then he is
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in New York and why did he rent a car, why didn't he flew?
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You talked about Babrak and Zaheer.
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Colorado.
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Where did they do?
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Babrak have mechanic shop and he used to drive.
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know how.
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Did Zaheer also work at that mechanic shop?
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Sometime.
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Did there come a time that you were part of a
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conversation with Wais this conversation in the garage?
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Couple of days later.
Could you describe for the jury what happened in the
garage.
and went inside and Zaheer was there, Babrak was there, Ajmal
was there and Zaheer trying to start talking about Najibullah
and then they said -- Zaheer said or Babrak said there could
be chip in the garage and FBI could be listening.
Me and Wali went to the garage, took the car over there
So the music was on a little bit but then I told
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and back, and I came inside and Zaheer was telling Wali that
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Naqib said that Najibullah was going to kill his self.
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What did you understand that to mean?
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That they could be listening, recording something like
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Who could be listening?
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The FBI, the government.
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Let's go back through that.
First of all, you talked
Who was it who first talked about a chip?
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Why did you tell him to make the music loud?
Because they mentioning they were talking about a chip so
I told them put the music on so nobody would listen.
conversation about Najibullah.
conversation about?
Could you be a little more specific.
was going to kill his self.
And you said that in the mechanic shop that there was a
Yeah.
What specifically was that
You said something about killing himself.
Zaheer told Wali that Naqib saying that Najibullah
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What is the testimony going to be?

Essentially that Zaheer had heard from
Naqib that Najibullah was going to kill himself and then later
they learned -- again, Zaheer finds out or says that he found
out from Naqib that Najibullah had chemicals at Naqib's house
and it was after that that they destroyed the chemicals.
I submit it's a coconspirator statement, part of the
conspiracy.
He was at the meeting.
clearly he knew what was going on.
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Lying in the grand jury,
The hearsay is as to who?

Wali.
In the presence of this witness?
Correct.
I can further elicit that.
What is your objection?

I'm trying to track when he's actually
hearing something and when he is not hearing something.
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Protective measures.
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Continue to lay that foundation.
If you
continue to have your objection you'll make it.

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THE COURT:
Understood.
You will make your
objections.
MS. HARRIS:
THE COURT:
Thank you.
This prior objection, the one that I
overruled, I take it that evidence wasn't offered for the
truth?
MS. MARRUS:
prior objection was.
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That Najibullah -- I forget what the
So did I.
I was hoping that you would
remember.
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A conversation when Najibullah was
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He didn't believe that.
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you're saying that it wasn't the truth, that Najibullah wasn't
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uttering the truth, correct?
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I believe he said he was speaking to
Najibullah.
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I would reiterate, I mean whether -- to
lay a foundation maybe after the fact is not appropriate.
THE COURT:
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That was a conversation -He said we were speaking to them.
was a phone conversation about we were speaking.
unclear whether he personally was speaking with him.
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It was
As long as it's said in the presence of
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Thanks
for your patience.
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you present when Zaheer told Wali that Naqib had said that
Najibullah would kill himself?
Yes.
You actually heard Zaheer say that?
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Yes.
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First of all, when you referred to Najibullah, do you
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refer to him by other names; do you shorten his name?
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Najib.
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Najib refers to Najibullah?
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Yes.
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I wanted to make sure that was clear.
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conversation in the garage, what, if anything, was Wali's
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reaction to learning that Najibullah was going to kill
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himself?
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telling you and not telling me and Naqib?
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Who is the "he" referring to, why is who not telling me?
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Naqib, why is Naqib not telling me and telling you that
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So we were talking about the garage conversation.
Were
After you had the
It was fright first of all and he was like, Why that he's
Najibullah?
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Najibullah was Wali's son not Zaheer's son.
You said during this garage conversation that Zaheer told
Wali that Najibullah is planning on killing himself.
hear whether Zaheer told or said how that was going to happen?
No.
Did there come a time that Wali told you about a second
conversation he had with Zaheer?
Wali came home and said that Zaheer said now Naqib saying that
Yeah.
Did you
I was in the house with the family and Zaheer --
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he have chemical in the garage and do something about it and
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if anything happen I'm not responsible for it.
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First of all, approximately when was that, do you recall?
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I have no idea.
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Was this before or after the garage conversation?
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I think it was after.
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You said that Zaheer had talked about Naqib again.
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did say Zaheer that Naqib had said?
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chemicals in his garage and if anything happens I'm not
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responsible for it and he told Wali that.
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Who had chemicals in Naqib's garage?
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Najib.
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What
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Did Wali talk about why Najibullah had chemicals at
Naqib's house?
No.
What, if anything, was Wali's reaction to the information
that that Najibullah had chemicals at Naqib's house?
going to kill his self.
in his garage he going to tell me.
should have told me before and after later Rabia came.
Now first he say -- first he told Zaheer that he was

Now he saying that he have chemicals
Why is he tell Zaheer?
You talked briefly about when Rabia came.
He
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over to the house that same day?
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Yes.
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What was the conversation between Rabia, Wali, Sultan
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Bibi and yourself at that time?
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minutes and then Rabia went to the corner and point Sultan
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Bibi to come in..
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So -- continue.
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Point at her and she went there and then they talk for
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two minutes or a minute, and later they came back and Sultan
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Bibi told Wali that Rabia saying that Naqib send me here, he
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said there's a chemical in any garage and if anybody happens
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Rabia came and we did the greeting, sat down for five
If you can do anything, do
Did you have any understanding what she meant when she
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said I'm not responsible if anything happens?
not responsible.
an FBI investigation.
Like if the government find out, anything happens, we're
To your knowledge, you mentioned that you became aware of
Withdrawn.
After Rabia had talked about the chemicals in the
house, what was Wali's response?
have told us not Zaheer and he's telling us too late and what
He told Rabia that he should have told us -- Naqib should
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Rabia said, Oh, we're in the same position, he have stuff in
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my garage.
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responsible for it too.
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And then
You know, if anything happen we could be
So then we made appointment and we were like we
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going to come tomorrow 2 o'clock there, I mean, tomorrow
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morning and we going to call you first and make like code
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word, like we going to pick up the medicine and Wali told them
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they going to come over there and take care of it.
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get in trouble, who was it that made the decision to destroy
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the chemicals?
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Wali.
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And when were you supposed to destroy the chemicals?
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I think tomorrow.
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The day after that conversation?
After Rabia said, We're in the same situation, we can all
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Yes.
Who was supposed to do that?
Me and Sultan Bibi go there.
Did Wali say whether he would help you to destroy the
chemicals physically?
No.
So you talked about a code word.
the jury what was the code word?
Can you describe for
It was like, I'm going to call our -- I was going to call
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Rabia and tell her that I'm coming -- are you home or not, I'm
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coming to your house to teach you how to use the medicine for
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Sultan Bibi.
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take the medicine, what was that really supposed to mean?
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chemicals.
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Why did you use a code word?
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So if we were to say we coming to destroy the chemicals,
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if the phone was tapped FBI would be there before us.
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that the phones were tapped?
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When you said, I'm going to come over to teach you how to
We're coming there and we going to take care of the
So in addition to the chips in the houses did you believe
Yes.
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Overruled.
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Who came up with the code word?
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I have no idea.
Was Sultan Bibi in fact taking medicine at that time?
Yes, she was sick.
She was sick?
Yes.
Do you know what kind of medicine she was taking?
No.
Let's talk about the following morning.
the plan was to do all of this the next day.
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steps that morning to destroy the chemicals?
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Yes.
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What did you do?
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I called Rabia and I call her like I'm coming, we're
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coming and teach us how -- you know, we used the code word and
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then we left, we went to Rabia's house, Naqib's house and
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knock on the door and Rabia opened the door.
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You said that

Did you take any
We went inside and Naqib was standing inside the
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door -- in the living room.
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and check around and then Rabia and Sultan Bibi went to the
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garage, came back out and two minutes later they went back in
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and got the chemicals, went upstairs to the second floor
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with the chemicals, where did you go?
Go upstairs and come down, go upstairs and come down.
What were you doing?
Checking around, what's going on.
Sorry?
Checking on them.
Where was Naqib at the time, was Naqib home?
Yeah, he was in the living room staying downstairs.
At some point did you smell anything?
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Bleach.
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What happened after you smelled the bleach?
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I went upstair and somehow Naqib said there is a lot of
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smell, a lot of bleach smell, and I went upstair and told him
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there's a lot of smell and he dumped it and somebody said turn
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on the fan or the AC, open the windows.
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the garage initially when you first got to the house.
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did they take out of the garage?
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Two containers and a mask and goggles and a measure cup.
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The containers, what kind of containers were they?
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Plastic, white plastic.
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Inside.
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You talked about masks and goggles and a measuring cup.
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What did you do with -- let's start first with the mask.
What
happened to the mask?
of smoke inside, and then they cut it and they trying to break
the goggles, they couldn't and I break it down.
measuring cup, they trying to break it down.
it, so then I told them use it as a laundry, laundry measure
cup.
You said "they" tried to burn the mask.
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Rabia and Sultan Bibi.
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After they tried and failed to burn the mask, what
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happened to the mask?
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I cut it down 2, 3 pieces, each mask.
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What did they cut the mask with?
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A knife.
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Why did they use a knife?
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Because we had no scissors.
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What about the goggles, what happened to the goggles?
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I break them down in half.
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You did?
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And you said the measuring cup, what did you try to do to
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the measuring cup?
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They're trying to burn it, and I was like there's a lot
And the
I couldn't break
Who is they?
Put them inside and break them outside but it didn't

I told them use it as a laundry cup.
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What happened -- you mentioned the containers.
happened to the containers?
Cut them down to pieces.
Was it before or after they had spilled the chemicals?
After.
And who cut up the containers?
Rabia and Sultan Bibi.
What did they cut up the containers with?
A knife.
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So now you have the pieces of the containers, the cut up
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mask, the broken goggles, what did you do with all of those
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items?
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Put them in a plastic bag.
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What happened to that plastic bag?
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Put them in Osman school bag.
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Can you explain how it was that Osman came to be at the
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house?
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stuff?
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school anyway in like half hour.
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home and put in there the bookbag, so that's how we going to
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walk with the bookbag so the government thinking they came in
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from school and put that bag in the bookbag so they won't know
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what happened inside.
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We pick him up.
What
How we going to do it now with this
I told them, Osman, the kid's going to get off from

We pick him up and bring him
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discussing what to do with the pieces?
Rabia and Naqib and Sultan Bibi.
Whose idea was to it put the pieces of the chemical
container, the mask and the goggles in Osman's bookbag?
Mine.
Did you pick up Osman?
Yes.
From where?
From school.
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What happened when you came back to Rabia's house?
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Put that bag in his bookbag.
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And then what happened?
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Then we left and just drove around couple of minutes and
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we went to our complex and then we trying to climb the stairs
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up and Sultan Bibi told Osman dump that in a dumpster and I
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give you $5.
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didn't you go straight home?
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that and dump it in the dumpster they will know what happened
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so at least we buy some food and we will have a lot of
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shopping bags, so that's how it was.
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You said that you drove around for a little while.
Why
If we go straight ahead, we took that bag out, if we do
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BY MS. MARRUS:
And when you say you thought they would find it in the
dumpster, who were you referring to?
going to find it?
The government.
At that point in time, what was your impression as to
whether or not -- withdrawn.
Who did you think was
When you got home, where was the dumpster?
It's like twenty feet away from us.
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From your house?
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Yes.
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How far is Naqib's house from Wali's house?
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Ten minutes' drive.
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Approximately how long did it take you to get home?
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First, I went to the store, took me like a half hour to
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drive, and came back, probably forty minutes -- I mean, an
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hour, hour and ten minutes.
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What did Osman do with that plastic bag?
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Dumped it in a dumpster.
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When you got home, who was home?
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Wali, Murwari and Tariq.
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When you got home, did you have any conversations with
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Yes, one upstairs.
He said, What happened?
We said, The job is finished.
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care of.
He said, Okay, good.
When you said "The job is finished," what were you
referring to?
Just dumped evidence in the dumpster.
You mentioned that Osman put the plastic bag containing
the evidence in the dumpster.
It was gone for like four days.
How did you learn that the dumpster was taken away?
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The dumpster never been taken more than an hour.
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time, it was gone for three days, four days.
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I'm sorry?
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Three or four days.
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Did you have any conversations about it with the family?
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We're like, What happened to the dumpster?
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like, Where is it?
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I'm sorry.
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Was worried.
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Why?
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Because it could be checked by the government.
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happened before.
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When you say everyone was worried, who was everyone?
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Wali, Sultan Bibi, Rabia, Wali.
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Did there come a time when the FBI searched Mohammed and
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Rabia's house?
What happened to the dumpster?
This
Everybody is
Everyone was?
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to the FBI office?
Yes.
About how long after the FBI search of Naqib and Rabia's
house?
Three hours later, we went to the FBI's office.
The same day of the search?
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Yes.
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Why did you have to go to the FBI?
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For a handwriting test.
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Did you go by yourself or anyone else?
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Me and Rabia went.
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When you were at the FBI office to do the handwriting
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test, did the FBI tell you whether or not you would have to
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come back?
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2:00 o'clock for fingerprints.
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Did you go back?
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Yes.
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A day after or two days after we dumped the
Did there come a time when you learned that you had to go
Yes, they told us, You have to come back tomorrow
Did you have any discussions with Wali about having

to go back to the FBI?
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to do handwriting, and somehow in the morning, Wali called and
he said he was talking to Rabia about adoption stuff, and then
he's -- he tell him to give me the phone, and I was trying to
talk to him.
I spent the first time at Rabia house, that we went
He said, Why won't you come home?
And then I went home, and then he said, They ask you
to come to the FBI office 2:00 o'clock today.
I said, Yes, we're going.
And he said, Rabia and Naqib are going, too?
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I said, Yes.
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He said, Why won't we go in the same car?
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And somehow, somebody called or something happened,
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and for five minutes, we stopped.
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back to the FBI about your relationship?
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Yes.
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What was that conversation?
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He said that, Your case just came out about that you were
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two years old when you were adopted.
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your parents in Afghanistan.
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He was talking to you about being adopted?
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Yes.
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Were you adopted?
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No.
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Had you ever heard from anyone before, anything about
Did you have any conversations with Wali before you went
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adoption?
No.
When did you first move in with Wali?
1999, August 1.
And how old were you?
Twelve or thirteen.
Who did you live with up until the time you were twelve
or thirteen?
My mother.
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And prior to this time in 2009, had Wali ever said
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anything to you before about being adopted?
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No.
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Did you in fact go back to the FBI office that night?
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Yes.
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With who?
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Me and Wali and Sultan Bibi and Murwari.
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Did you have tests done at the FBI?
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Yes.
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What tests?
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Fingerprints and DNA tests.
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Were DNA tests done, as well?
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Yes.
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Did you have any conversations with Wali at the FBI
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office?
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Yes.
He said, when we were downstairs, first, we did a
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fingerprints, and then he said, They are going to do your DNA
test, just to show that you are not my son.
you're not my son and you're adopted.
receive a subpoena?
Yes.
For what?
For grand jury.
Where was the grand jury?
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Do you remember about when this was?
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After FBI office.
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Do you know how long after the FBI office?
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Probably a week or two weeks later.
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Did anyone else in your family receive a subpoena to
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testify in the grand jury in Brooklyn?
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Yes.
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Who?
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Naqib -- Naqib, Rabia, Sultan Bibi, Murwari, Tariq and
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me.
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subpoena?
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Yes.
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Was that conversation at Babrak's house that you
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summarized before?
And that's true,
Now, at some point after getting DNA tested, did you
Did the family have a conversation about receiving a
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Yes.
Approximately how long after receiving that subpoena did
you have that conversation?
I think the same day or the next day.
Who was present?
In Babrak's house?
Yes.
Barbak, Zaher; Zaher was there, Barbak was there.
Kubra was.
Murwari was there.
I don't remember.
Kubra.
I was there.
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When you came to the house, what were people doing?
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Just sitting around watching TV.
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What was on TV at the time?
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I think they were watching a movie.
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Did the news come on at some point?
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Yes, later on.
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What came on the news?
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Najib.
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Did Wali make any comments about Najibullah on the news?
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Objection.
Overruled.
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What?
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Did Wali make any comments?
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Yes.
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He said he didn't do nothing.
He didn't go to
He didn't got caught
He's a kind of hero.
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conversation about the subpoena -- withdrawn.
After you watched the news, you said earlier there was a
So, you were watching the news.
At some point, did
the conversation shift to talking about the subpoena?
Yes.
Can you describe what happened?
Everybody said, Who got a subpoena?
Zaher, Barbak, Wali -- Wali, like, we don't know nothing.
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And everybody,
Objection.
Sustained.
Lay a foundation for this.
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Were you a part of this conversation, Mr. Zazi?
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Yes.
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And at this point in time, when was this conversation
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with respect to destroying the chemicals?
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I don't understand.
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Did you destroy the chemicals before or after you had
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this conversation?
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Before.
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And who did you destroy the chemicals with?
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With Rabia and Naqib -- I mean, Rabia, Sultan Bibi and
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me.
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And you testified earlier -- withdrawn.
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Wali.
MS. HARRIS:
Objection.
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Overruled.
Wali.
So, it's fair to say that all of those people knew about
the chemicals in Naqib's house at this time?
Yes.
And you talked earlier about a conversation with Zaher in
the garage about Najibullah killing himself?
Yes.
Was that before or after this conversation in Babrak's
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house?
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It was before.
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Was Babrak a part of the earlier conversation in the
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garage, as well?
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the car, and I don't know if he was listening or not.
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Najibullah had chemicals at Naqib's house, I guess?
I have no idea.
Maybe he was busy.
He was working on
You testified earlier about Zaher telling Wali that
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Objection.
Overruled.
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Zaher told Wali that Naqib is saying that he have
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chemicals in his garage.
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Was that conversation with Zaher about the chemicals, was that
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before or after the subpoena conversation in the house?
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Was that before or after this conversation in the house?
It was before.
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You said that Wali had talked to you about being adopted.
Was that before or after the conversation in this house?
MR. HARRIS:
THE COURT:
-- come up to sidebar, please.
(Sidebar.)
THE COURT:
Objection.
Sustained.
I really wanted you to lay
What's the basis of your objection, by
the way?
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The objection is, who was speaking, and
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whether or not there's an evidentiary basis for the admission
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of the statement.
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talking to?
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I apologize.
Everybody had a subpoena.
I misunderstood.
We just went there, because --
Slow down.
-- because Sultan Bibi was there.
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That's the foundation I want you to lay.
Who was discussing the subpoena?
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During this conversation at Babrak's house, who were you
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THE COURT:
Listen to the question.
Answer the
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I'll rephrase the question.
Did Wali talk at this meeting at Babrak's house?
Yes.
Did Zaher talk at the meeting at Babrak's house?
Yes.
Did you talk at the meeting at Babrak's house?
Yes.
Did Rabia talk at the meeting at Babrak house?
No.
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How about Sultan Bibi?
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Yes.
12
Focusing just on those people, what did they say about
13
the subpoena?
14
They said everybody --
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MR. HARRIS:
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THE COURT:
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Do you recall who said what?
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THE WITNESS:
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MR. HARRIS:
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THE COURT:
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Listen to my question.
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Objection.
Sustained.
Objection.
Overruled.
Listen to me:
Do you recall
who said what, which person said what thing?
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THE WITNESS:
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THE COURT:
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Everybody said, We got the subpoena.
Which one are you referring to?
In this conversation at Babrak's house,
do you recall which person said which thing?
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THE WITNESS:
THE COURT:
And do you recall, of those things that
you recall being said, do you remember who said them?
THE WITNESS:
THE COURT:
THE WITNESS:
Kubra and Rabia and I.
THE COURT:
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There were many things said, but I
recall just some of it.
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Yes.
Who?
Babrak and Wali and Zaher and Roqia,
Do the best you can to elicit attributions to people

as to what was said.
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You have your objection.
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MS. MARRUS:
It's overruled.
Yes, your Honor.
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BY MS. MARRUS:
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What did Wali say during that meeting?
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Wali said he didn't do nothing and they just -- they are
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just doing their job, the government, you know, to prove it
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that he did or -- something or not, but he didn't do nothing,
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and don't worry about it, and --
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Have you finished your answer?
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Yes.
22
At the end of that meeting, did you have another
23
conversation with Wali?
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Yes.
25
What did he say to you?
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When I was leaving, Wali said that, Remember, son, that
you were two years old and I adopted you from your parents and
you just found out.
grand jury, just tell them, I don't know nothing, go ask my
father.
you understand that to mean?
If they ask you any other question in the
And when Wali told you you don't know nothing, what did
MS. HARRIS:
THE COURT:
Objection.
Overruled.
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Like, I don't know nothing, don't ask me no more
11
questions.
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13
understanding of that what pertained to?
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That was about adoption.
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Did there come a time that you actually traveled to the
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grand jury in Brooklyn?
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Yes.
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Who traveled with you?
19
Me and Murwari and Tariq went in a different airport, and
20
Naqib and Sultan Bibi and Rabia and Mohammed flew in another
21
airplane.
22
Who is Mohammed?
23
Mohammed is son of Rabia.
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Was he going to testify in the grand jury?
25
No.
If you have anything, go ask Wali.
Was that pertaining just to the adoption?
What was your
We just took him, because --
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How old is he?
Five years old.
Where did you stay when you came to Brooklyn?
In a Marriott hotel.
Did you testify in the grand jury?
Yes.
Did you tell the truth?
No.
Let's talk about some of the questions you were asked in
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the grand jury.
Were you asked questions about, Who are your
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parents?
12
Yes.
13
Were you asked questions about your relationship to Wali?
14
Yes.
15
16
No.
17
What did you say?
18
I said, they are my adoption father.
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Who is your adoption father?
20
Wali and Sultan Bibi.
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Were you asked questions about Najibullah traveling
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anywhere else while he was in Pakistan?
23
Yeah.
24
Did you tell truth?
25
No.
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What did you say?
I told them they went to Tabligh and Lahore.
Again, can you explain what Tabligh is?
Preaching.
Does that have anything to do with Jihadi training?
No.
Was that true?
No.
Were you asked about the names and identities of
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Najibullah's friends who had traveled to Pakistan with him?
11
Yes.
12
13
No.
14
What did you say?
15
I don't know them.
16
Were you asked about whether or not you had ever handled
17
a gun?
18
Yes.
19
20
No.
21
What did you say?
22
I never had it.
23
When did you have the gun?
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When I was overseas.
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Why?
I never seen it.
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Just protection.
Did you ever use it?
No.
Did you ever use any gun?
Yes.
For?
For just targeting.
Why didn't you tell the truth about that?
Protecting myself.
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After the grand jury, did you meet with the members of
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your family?
12
Yes.
13
Where?
14
In the hotel.
15
That was the Marriott?
16
Yes.
17
Who was present for that conversation?
18
Rabia, Sultan Bibi, Murwari, Tariq.
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What did you say about what you had said in the grand
20
jury?
21
I told them --
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MR. HARRIS:
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THE COURT:
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Go ahead.
25
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Objection.
Overruled.
I told them that -- I told them that I told in the grand
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jury that Najib, Zarin and Adis went to Tabligh in Pakistan,
and Sultan Bibi and Murwari got pissed.
you told them?
They said, Why did
I told them, What should I tell?
Then they make me more pissed, and I told them --
MS. HARRIS:
THE COURT:
THE WITNESS:
THE COURT:
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(Sidebar.)
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THE COURT:
What's the objection?
12
MR. HARRIS:
Hearsay, your Honor.
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THE COURT:
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MS. MARRUS:
Objection.
Who was present at this conversation?
Rabia, Sultan Bibi, Murwari and Tariq.
Come up.
What's the answer?

I believe what the witness is going to
15
testify to that everyone was talking about how they were upset
16
that Amanullah Zazi, talking about anything in the grand jury,
17
because they were all co-conspirators in the conspiracy, to
18
lie in the grand jury about what Najibullah was up to.
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THE COURT:
Give me this roster one more time in the
Brooklyn Marriott.
MS. MARRUS:
Sultan Bibi, his wife, is Murwari, his
daughter, and Tariq, his son, and Rabia, who is Naqib's wife.
THE COURT:
Your evidentiary posture here, these are
coconspirator statements -MS. MARRUS:
Yes.
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-- in furtherance of the conspiracy to
provide false testimony to a grand jury?
MS. MARRUS:
THE COURT:
MR. HARRIS:
Correct.
What's your answer to that?
Frankly, the only thing that is in the
record now, this conspiracy involving our client, the
conspiracy to lie about the "adoption" issue.
there's been a foundation laid for a bigger conspiracy about
other false statements.
10
THE COURT:
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MS. MARRUS:
12
grand jury.
I don't think
Your answer to that?

Lying in the grand jury is lying in the
I don't think we can parse it out so finely.
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THE COURT:
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(In open court.)
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BY MS. MARRUS:
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17
Murwari, Tariq and Sultan Bibi after your grand jury
18
testimony?
19
20
Mr. Zazi, we're talking about what you had told Rabia,
They were asking me, What did you say?

I told them that I said nothing else.
21
Najib and Adis and Zarein went to Tabligh.
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And you said that they became upset?
23
Yes, they became upset.
I told that
They said, Why did you say that?
24
I was like, What else should have I have said?
25
Then they make me pissed, and I told them, I'm going
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to tell them everything.
After your grand jury testimony, did you go to Colorado?
Yes.
Did you have any conversations with Wali about your grand
jury testimony?
Yes.
What did you talk about?
MS. HARRIS:
THE COURT:
10
Objection.
Overruled.
I told him that -- he asked, What happened?
11
I told him, Nothing happened.
And I knew it, that
12
Sultan Bibi was going to tell about the police stuff because I
13
made them pissed.
14
Najib and Adis and Zarein went to Tabligh.
15
I told Wali that I told the grand jury that
And he said, Okay, that's good, no problem.
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Let's talk about what happened leading up to your arrest?
17
Did there come a time that you were arrested in this case?
18
Yes.
19
Before you were arrested, did you have meetings with
20
federal agents?
21
Yes.
22
Approximately when did you first start meeting with
23
federal agents?
24
2009, December, like.
25
Where were you living when you first started meeting with
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agents?
Colorado.
With whom?
With the agents.
When you first started meeting with agents, who were you
living with?
With Wali.
Did there come a time that you moved from Wali's house?
Yes.
10
Do you remember approximately when?
11
I have no idea.
12
About how soon after you started meeting with federal
13
agents?
14
Probably a week, two weeks later.
15
Where did you move to?
16
To Rabia's house.
17
Did there come a time that you moved out of Rabia's
18
house?
19
Yes.
20
Where did you go?
21
To the hotel.
22
Do you know how long after you moved into Rabia's house
23
you moved out?
24
Two, three weeks later.
25
You mentioned you moved to a motel.
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hotel?
Government.
Where was the hotel?
Colorado.
Why did you go to a hotel?
Because I had nowhere else to go.
While you were at the hotel, did you meet with federal
agents?
Yes.
10
What did you discuss?
11
About the case.
12
When you say the "case," what do you mean?
13
About Naqib and Adis and Zarein, my case.
14
Did you provide information to the agents?
15
Yes.
16
Did there come a time that you -- withdrawn.
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Did there come a time that the agents brought you to
18
New York?
19
Yes.
20
Where did you stay when you came to New York?
21
In a motel.
22
Who paid for the hotel?
23
Government.
24
Did you have a job?
25
No.
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Why not?
Because I was meeting with the government, keep going
forth and back.
About how often would you meet with the government?
Every day.
I'm sorry?
Every day.
What were you talking about when you met with the
government?
10
About Najib and Adis and Zarein overseas, What happened?
11
What did you do?
12
Is it fair to say that you met with agents a lot?
13
Yes.
14
Were you completely truthful when you met with agents?
15
No.
16
Among other things, did you tell the truth about how
17
Najibullah got the training?
18
No.
19
What were some of the things you said?
20
I never went to Waziristan, I never took them.
21
lot.
22
23
to get explosives?
24
Yes.
25
What did you say?
Who did it?
I lied a
But I don't remember.

Did you talk about whether or not you went to Najibullah
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I said I followed him and I lied.
That was not true?
Yes.
Did you talk about whether or not you had ever provided
information to the Police Department before?
Yes.
What did you say?
I lied.
What did you say?
10
I told them I used to give up drug dealers to a cop.
11
Why did you say that?
12
To get a credit.
13
Did you talk about who told you to destroy the chemicals?
14
Yes.
15
Did you tell the truth about that?
16
No.
17
What did you say?
18
I told them me and Sultan Bibi and Rabia, we destroyed
19
it.
20
Why did you lie about that?
21
Because I didn't want them to be in trouble.
22
Mr. Zazi, you talked about pleading guilty.
23
willingly plead guilty pursuant to a cooperation agreement?
24
25
Did you
Yes.
MS. MARRUS:
This is not yet in evidence, your
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Honor.
THE COURT:
Okay.
Showing you what's been marked for identification as
Yes.
Turning to the last page, do you recognize this?
Yes.
What is that?
My signature.
10
What document is this?
11
Cooperation.
12
Is it your cooperation agreement?
13
Yes.
14
15
MS. MARRUS:
Do you see that up on the video?
Your Honor, at this time, I offer
Government's Exhibit 44 into evidence.
16
MS. HARRIS:
No objection.
17
THE COURT:
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(So marked.)
Received.
19
When did you plead guilty, Mr. Zazi?
20
2010, January 5.
21
What did you plead guilty to?
22
Taking Najib and Adis and Zarein to Al-Qaeda training,
23
and plus destroying chemicals and lying to the grand jury.
24
Those are two separate charges?
25
Yes.
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What penalties do you face for the crimes you pled guilty
to?
Thirty years.
Is that the most time you can do, thirty years?
Yes.
What is your understanding of what you have agreed to do
under your cooperation agreement?
Tell the truth and cooperate and testify.
If you comply with your cooperation agreement, if you
10
tell the truth, cooperate and testify, what is your
11
understanding of what the government has agreed to do for you?
12
To write a letter to the judge.
13
What's the letter called, do you know?
14
I don't know.
15
What's in that letter?
16
Good and bad.
17
Can you explain what you mean?
18
What I did bad and what I did good.
19
So, when you talk about what you did bad, what do you
20
mean?
21
22
training, and destroying chemicals, I took drugs, other stuff.
23
When you say "good," what do you mean?
24
Cooperating, telling the truth.
25
Information you provided?
Taking Najib and Adis and Zarein to Waziristan for
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Yes.
Who does that letter go to?
The judge.
What is your understanding of what that letter does?
I don't know.
Is that letter important to you?
Yes.
Why?
Because the judge could decide I did good or bad.
10
So, the judge can consider that letter when sentencing
11
you?
12
Yes.
13
If the government writes that letter for you, what's the
14
lowest sentence you can receive?
15
Zero.
16
Even if the government writes the letter for you, what's
17
the most you can receive?
18
Thirty.
19
Thirty?
20
Thirty years.
21
Who makes that decision, who decides what you get
22
sentenced to?
23
The judge.
24
Does the government recommend a sentence?
25
No.
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What happens if you violate your cooperation agreement?
Cooperation will be ripped up.
Do you get to take your plea back?
No.
Mr. Zazi, you indicated earlier that you are currently in
jail.
Last week.
Prior to last week, were you out of jail?
Yes.
10
Why did you go to jail?
11
Because I told them I'm not going to testify.
12
And you told who?
13
The government.
14
Did you also --
15
And plus, I was taking drugs.
16
What drugs?
17
Marijuana, cocaine.
When did you go to jail?
18
MS. MARRUS:
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THE COURT:
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(Pause.)
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MS. MARRUS:
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THE COURT:
23
Ms. Harris.
24
MS. HARRIS:
25
THE COURT:
Can I have a moment, your Honor?

Sure.
No further questions.
Thank you, Ms. Marrus.
One moment to gather my papers?

Yes.
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
Take your time.
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CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MS. HARRIS:
Good afternoon.
Good afternoon.
Now, before you came to the United States, you lived in
Pakistan; is that correct?
Yes, ma'am.
And you were a child then?
Yes.
10
And when you lived in Pakistan, you lived in a family
11
compound; correct?
12
Yes.
13
And you lived there with your biological father?
14
Yes.
15
Your biological mother?
16
Yes.
17
And Sultan Bibi lived there, as well; correct?
18
Yes.
19
And that's Mr. Zazi's wife?
20
Yes.
21
And she helped take care of you; correct?
22
Actually, my mother and Sultan Bibi, and there was my
23
other uncle's wife were like all the same, same family.
24
were never separated at that time, and everybody had their own
25
turn to cook, everybody have their own schedule, and we were
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kids and outside all the time.
all the children; correct?
but the cooking for the family is different term.
You lived together with your cousins; correct?
Yes.
Najibullah?
Yes.
10
Tariq?
11
Yes.
12
Murwayi?
13
Yes.
14
And I'm going to show you -- Judge, for the witness --
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It's fair to say that the women took turns taking care of
Yes.
15
But everybody is taking their own children care,
THE COURT:
Yes.
16
17
And that's a picture of you as a child; correct?
18
Yes.
19
And next to you -- you're the shorter child on the right?
20
Yes.
21
Next to you is Najibullah; correct?
22
Yes.
23
And that picture was taken in Pakistan?
24
Yes.
25
-- what has been premarked as Defendant's Exhibit 10.
MS. HARRIS:
I would like to admit Defendant's
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Exhibit 10.
THE COURT:
Any objection?
MS. MARRUS:
THE COURT:
(So marked.)
No, your Honor.

Received.
This picture is taken at the family house; correct?
Yes.
During this time period, Mr. Zazi, Wali, who you have
referred to as "Wali," he was living in the United States;
10
correct?
11
Yes.
12
And he would come back to visit Pakistan; correct?
13
He came once, I think.
14
He also sent money home; correct?
15
Yes.
16
To help support everyone in the house; correct?
17
Yes.
18
And I would like to show you now what I have marked --
19
for the witness, your Honor -- as Defendant's Exhibit 8.
20
That's you in the front row; correct, in the center?
21
Yes.
22
And the taller boy next to you is Najibullah?
23
Yes.
24
And the other boy in the uniform is Tariq?
25
Yes.
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And standing behind you is Mohammed Wali Zazi; correct?
Yes.
And the woman is Sultan Bibi?
Yes.
And the younger girl behind you is Murwayi; correct?
Yes.
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MS. HARRIS:
I would like to move for the admission
of Defendant's Exhibit 8, your Honor.
MS. MARRUS:
No objection.
10
THE COURT:
Received.
11
(So marked.)
12
BY MS. HARRIS:
13
This picture was taken in Pakistan; correct?
14
Yes.
15
And in that picture, you're wearing a school uniform?
16
Yes.
17
That was a private school; correct?
18
Yes.
19
And a school that cost money; correct?
20
Yes.
21
And Mr. Zazi paid for that school; correct?
22
Yes.
23
And that was the same school that Najibullah went to?
24
Yes.
25
And the same school that Tariq went to?
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Yes.
I would now like to show you what has been marked as
Defendant's Exhibit 9.
you're in the blue; is that correct?
I'm sorry.
I don't know what color.
You're in the front row; correct?
Yes.
In the brown outfit?
10
Yes.
11
And standing next to you is Murwayi?
12
Yes.
13
Standing behind you is Mr. Zazi?
14
Yes.
15
And Sultan Bibi?
16
Yes.
17
Najibullah?
18
Yes.
19
And Tariq?
20
Yes.
21
22
That's another picture, I believe
MS. HARRIS:
You're in the white?
Your Honor, I would like to move for
the admission of Defendant's Exhibit 9.
23
MS. MARRUS:
No objection.
24
THE COURT:
25
(So marked.)
Received.
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404
And that picture, that was also taken in Pakistan;
correct?
Yes.
That was before you moved to the United States?
Yes.
Now, I want to talk about your time in the United States.
In 1999, you began living in the United States; correct?
Yes.
And you were living, I think as you said, with Mr. Zazi?
10
Yes.
11
In his home?
12
Yes.
13
And he sent you to school; correct?
14
Yes.
15
And you slept -- you shared a room with Tariq and
16
Najibullah?
17
Yes.
18
And Mr. Zazi bought you clothes?
19
Yes.
20
And he bought you food?
21
Yes.
22
And I would like to show you now what's been marked as
23
24
Your Honor, for the witness?
25
THE COURT:
Yes.
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That's another photograph with you in the front; correct?
Yes.
And Mr. Zazi in the middle?
Yes.
And Najibullah in the back?
Yes.
7
8
MS. HARRIS:
Move to introduce Defendant's Exhibit
MS. MARRUS:
No objection.
6.
9
10
THE COURT:
Received.
11
(So marked.)
12
That picture is a picture of you in New York; correct?
13
Yes.
14
Is that at the house where you lived with Mr. Zazi?
15
Yes.
16
Now, while you were in New York, you said you went to
17
religious preaches; correct?
18
Yes.
19
You went to the same religious school that Tariq went to?
20
Yes.
21
And the same religious school that Najibullah went to;
22
correct?
23
Yes.
24
And I want to talk a little bit about Colorado?
25
When you came back from Pakistan, you moved to
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Colorado with Mr. Zazi; correct.
Yes.
And at the house in Colorado, you shared a room with
Najibullah; correct?
Yes.
I would like to show you what's been marked as
correct?
That's a picture of Sultan Bibi;
Yes.
10
11
406
MS. HARRIS:
Your Honor, I move for the introduction
of Defendant's Exhibit 5.
12
MS. MARRUS:
Your Honor, I would request a
13
clarification as to the other.
14
THE COURT:
Yes.
15
And the other children in that photograph are Osman;
16
correct?
17
Yes.
18
And -- I'm sorry for my pronunciation -- Khadija?
19
Yes.
20
MS. HARRIS:
Your Honor, I move for the admission.
21
MS. MARRUS:
No objection.
22
THE COURT:
23
(So marked.)
24
25
correct?
Received.
That's also a picture from here in the United States;
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Yes.
They were born while you were living in the United
States; correct?
Yes.
I would also like to show the witness Defendant's
Exhibit 7.
correct?
Yes.
That picture is taken in Colorado; correct?
10
I don't know.
11
12
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That's another picture of Osman and Khadija;
MS. HARRIS:
Your Honor, I move for the admission of
13
MS. MARRUS:
14
THE COURT:
15
Received.
16
(So marked.)
17
18
correct?
19
20
Relevance, your Honor.

Overruled.
It's fair to say that this is a more recent picture;
What?
THE COURT:
Than?
21
This is a more recent picture than Defendant's Exhibit 5?
22
They just took it.
23
I'm asking --
24
25
THE COURT:
Is she older here than the other
picture, when she's a lot younger?
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Yes.
This is close to the age that they are now; correct?
Yes.
Now, you don't know how to use computers very well;
correct?
That's true.
And, Mr. Zazi, Wali didn't have his own computer;
correct?
Not him, yes.
10
I'm sorry?
11
Not him.
12
He doesn't really know, Mr. Zazi, Mohammed Wali Zazi, he
13
doesn't really know how to use a computer; correct?
14
Yes.
15
You talked a little bit with the government lawyer about
16
the different cars that you have at the house.
17
of 2009, you were doing deliveries for Jason's Deli; correct?
18
Yes.
19
You needed to drive to make those deliveries; correct?
20
Yes.
21
And so, you were using, I believe it was, a Nissan; is
22
that correct?
23
Yes.
24
And Najibullah had a van that he used for his job;
25
correct?
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In September
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Yes.
And Mohammed Wali Zazi used the Chevy Suburban; correct?
Yes.
It was an older model; is that right?
Yes.
He used it to drive the kids to school?
Yes.
And you also discussed that at the time period, September
2009, Mr. Zazi was trying to start his own shuttle business;
I don't know what year it was.
10
is that correct?
11
Yes.
12
I want to talk to you about what Zaher Akbar told
13
Mohammed Wali Zazi.
14
been received from Wais; correct?
15
Yes.
16
That's how you know the gentleman -- correct?
17
Yes.
18
19
Ahmad Wais.
20
You don't know him as Afzali; correct?
21
I didn't know him up to now.
22
Since that time period, you have learned that his name is
23
Afzali; correct?
24
Yes.
25
At the time in September 2009, you did not know that he
You talked about a phone call that had
-- by the name of Wais?
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went by the name Afzali; correct?
Correct.
Throughout your testimony in this case, you referred to
Mr. Mohammed Wali Zazi as "Wali"; correct?
Yes.
And Wali, it's common in the Pashto language to refer to
someone by their middle name; correct?
have oldest people, my uncles or aunt, we don't call them by
Actually, no.
10
name.
11
call him "Daddy."
12
Some people, like if we are young and we
We call them by nickname.
You can call father, like
It was like a respect name.
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BY MS. HARRIS:
respectful name, correct?
Everybody got different names for respect.
But throughout your direct testimony you referred to Mr.
Zazi as Wali; correct?
Yes.
And you didn't refer to him as Mohammed; correct?
Yes.
10
That would not be the custom; correct?
11
I don't know.
12
Now, you talked about a time when Wali came -- Mr. Zazi
13
came back to the house after he had had a phone call with
14
Wais?
15
Yes.
16
Do you recall that?
17
Yes.
18
And he told you that he had learned that the FBI was
19
looking for Najibullah; correct?
20
No.
21
He learned that the FBI was interested in Najibullah;
22
correct?
23
I don't know.
24
And he began to ask you questions; correct?
25
Questions?
That is the name you would use for your elders, a
He said that FBI show Ahmad Wais four pictures.
BHS
No.
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Well, he wanted to know what was going on; correct?
I have no idea.
He didn't know why the FBI was looking for Najibullah,
did he?
MS. MARRUS:
Objection.
THE COURT:
Overruled.
but --
10
Asked and answered.
I don't know about Wali, what he was thinking inside,
Well, he said to you that he thought that perhaps they
were following them because they were Muslims, correct?
11
MS. MARRUS:
Objection.
12
THE COURT:
Come up.
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Don't answer.
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(Sidebar.)
THE COURT:
MS. MARRUS:
What is your objection?

The witness has testified that they
didn't have a conversation about this.
THE COURT:
MS. MARRUS:
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Suppose he says yes?

What is the basis in the record to ask
that question?
THE COURT:
Overruled.
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(Open court.)
THE COURT:
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Pose it again, please.
BY MS. HARRIS:
following him because you were Muslims; correct?
I don't know.
Now, at some point Mr. Zazi and you, according to you,
went to the auto body shop; correct?
Yes.
10
You say that you heard Zaheer tell Wali that Naqib had
11
told him that Najibullah was going to do a suicide mission;
12
correct?
13
Suicide mission?
14
He would commit suicide?
15
Yes, he was going to kill his self.
16
You did not hear -- withdrawn.
17
Mr. Zazi got very upset; correct?
18
Yes.
19
He was shocked?
20
Yes.
21
And he was angry?
22
Yes, at Naqib.
23
At Naqib because Naqib had kept him in the dark; correct?
24
Kept in the dark?
25
Naqib had not told Mr. Zazi directly, correct?
He said to you that he thought perhaps they were
BHS
No.
After this conversation
I don't know.
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Yes.
Naqib had not told Mr. Zazi earlier; correct?
Yes.
4
5
THE COURT:
Would now be a good time for a break,
Miss Harris?
MS. HARRIS:
It would.
THE COURT:
Let's take our afternoon break.
discuss the case, ladies and gentlemen.
Don't
All rise.
(Jury leaves. .)
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THE COURT:
We will resume in ten minutes.
11
(Recess.)
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(Open court.)
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THE COURT:
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(Witness resumes.)
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THE COURT:
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(Jury present.)
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THE COURT:
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MS. HARRIS:
May I proceed?
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THE COURT:
Yes.
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MS. HARRIS:
Please be seated.
Bring in the jury, please.
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BY MS. HARRIS:
22
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you had said you had been interviewed many, many times by the
24
government; correct?
25
When you were being questioned by the government lawyer
Yes.
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And you said, when the government lawyer asked you, you
said that you haven't told about Mr. Zazi before because you
didn't want to create any trouble; correct?
trouble.
destruction of evidence, you told about Sultan Bibi destroyed
the evidence, correct?
Yes.
10
You told about Rabia destroyed the evidence; correct?
11
Yes.
12
But you don't want them to be in trouble, do you?
13
They are women, and Rabia wants to destroy from her
14
house.
15
Sultan Bibi, she's a mother and everybody understand that, you
16
know, a mother, anytime, with anything a mother will do
17
anything, a mother is always a mother.
18
19
role in the destruction of evidence; correct?
20
I don't understand.
21
You told them that the destruction of evidence had
22
happened at Naqib's house, correct?
23
Yes.
24
That Naqib was there; correct?
25
Yes.
I just want to defend him.
Right.
I didn't want him to get in
The first time you told the government about the
She don't want no trouble for maybe her husband and
You were willing to tell the government's about Naqib's
BHS
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CM
CRR
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417
That Naqib had asked them to come over, correct?
Yes.
I want to talk to you a little bit about the time when
you were in junior high school.
school in Queens; correct?
Yes.
And then you attended a few months of Flushing High
School, correct?
No, I went to junior high school for three years.
10
And then afterwards you went to high school for a few
11
months; correct?
12
13
over there.
14
You went back to Pakistan in the fall of 2003; correct?
15
Yes.
16
In the middle of the school year; correct?
17
I was drop out.
18
You didn't do too well in school; correct?
19
Yes.
20
You skipped a lot of classes?
21
Yes.
22
You began using marijuana in junior high school; correct?
23
Yes.
24
And you started around the age of 12?
25
Twelve?
Few months?
You went to junior high
I don't think so.
I finished tenth grade
It's like a year.
I don't know because I came to United States.
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418
didn't start right away.
And you were smoking pretty much every day; correct?
First time when I smoke, start smoking I didn't smoke it
every day.
correct?
Most days.
And you also eventually started using alcohol as well;
correct?
After a little bit of time you started smoking every day,
Not every day.
10
Second time when I came back from overseas.
11
And you got in a lot of fights?
12
Yes.
13
Now, during this time Mr. Zazi was driving a yellow cab;
14
correct?
15
Yes.
16
And he was working about six days per week?
17
Yes.
18
And he would leave in the morning around 11 a.m.?
19
Yes.
20
Come home around midnight?
21
Yes.
22
And he would leave money for expenses; correct?
23
Yes.
24
Whatever was extra was saved; correct?
25
Yes.
BHS
OCR
CM
CRR
CSR
419
And sometimes the family would use an old salt container;
correct?
Yes.
To put the cash in?
Salt and baby milk formula container.
And that's where the household money would be saved;
correct?
Yes.
Ten dollars here?
10
Ten dollars here?
11
Sometimes he would put $10 in?
12
Sometimes it used to be a lot of money.
13
It would add up over the week; correct?
14
Yes.
15
And drugs cost money; correct?
16
Yes.
17
And you stole from the family; correct?
18
A couple of times.
19
And on one occasion you stole a whole salt container;
20
correct?
21
A thousand dollars.
22
You also stole money from Mr. Zazi's bag; correct?
23
Yes.
24
And when you were asked by the family whether you had
25
taken the money, you lied to them; correct?
BHS
OCR
CM
CRR
CSR
420
Yes.
And when they asked you why you would take the money, you
lied to them; correct?
Yes.
You didn't tell them that you were using drugs?
Yes.
You told them you needed the money for chicken; correct?
I don't remember that.
caught me later on, like two years later they found -- caught
But they found out later on, they
10
me stealing money.
11
And --
12
First I was stealing like four quarters, 6 quarters and
13
then -- just for friends.
They used to be a lot of friends
14
used to give me for free.
In the neighborhood where I lived
15
it was all drug addicts and everybody was smoking weed, girls,
16
boys, so sometimes, you know, I didn't need no money for that.
17
Sometimes you did need money, right?
18
Sometime I did, but quarters, quarters, quarters, collect
19
it up.
20
time.
21
Well, you took whatever you could get; fair to say?
22
I could took all the money but I didn't took it, I just
23
took quarters.
24
Now, you said eventually you got caught; correct?
25
Yes.
But I wasn't that addicted to it until I came second
BHS
OCR
CM
CRR
CSR
421
And you kept getting in trouble, right?
In school, outside, yes.
And at home, right?
Getting trouble outside.
inside home.
And you were bringing the outside trouble in; correct?
Yes.
And eventually Mr. Zazi decided you had to be sent back
to Pakistan; correct?
First time -- no.
On the outside trouble come
10
I became crazy.
I was like I want to
11
go back overseas and I went to Rabia's house, stayed there for
12
two months in her house and then he apply for a travel
13
document for me because I was like I want to go back overseas.
14
15
correct?
16
Yes.
17
And sometimes you would run away to her house, correct?
18
All the time?
19
And Mr. Zazi wanted you to stop getting in trouble;
20
correct?
21
Yes.
22
And get you away from drugs; correct?
23
Yes.
24
He wanted you to stay in school?
25
He wanted me to stay school, yes.
Now, you say you went to Rabia's house.
BHS
OCR
CM
CRR
You love Rabia,
CSR
422
To get a job; correct?
Yes.
out.
back to Pakistan; correct?
behaving.
reason and I was bored of this country, I'm like what this
country give me, just drugs and beating up every day, not
To do something, engineer first, but then I dropped
When that wasn't working out, he agreed you should go
Actually, I decide to go back overseas because I wasn't

I was getting jumped every day and beat up for no
10
behaving in school, so I want to go back overseas and see my
11
parents.
12
13
Pakistan you continued to smoke marijuana, correct?
14
Hashish.
15
Hashish?
16
But not -- I smoked first time when I went, I smoked it
17
like couple of times.
18
19
about the first time that you went, we're talking about the
20
fall of 2003; correct?
21
Yes.
22
And you went back to Pakistan you stayed approximately
23
four months, correct, or maybe seven months?
24
No.
25
And then you came back to the United States?
Let's talk about your time then back in Pakistan.
After that I didn't smoke.
Let's talk about that a for a second.
When you talk
Five months and 24 days.
BHS
In
OCR
CM
CRR
CSR
423
Yes.
And shortly thereafter you went back again to Pakistan;
correct?
Yes.
And then you stayed for five years; correct?
Yes.
And I'm talking about the five-year period when you were
in Pakistan.
correct?
You were smoking during that time period;
10
Yes.
11
And drugs are much cheaper in Pakistan; correct?
12
Yes.
13
You can get a baseball size of hashish for $5?
14
Baseball -- ball?
15
Baseball size.
16
Oh, if you have friends, you can get it for free.
17
And you didn't have a job in Pakistan; correct?
18
No.
19
You weren't going to school?
20
No.
21
You would just hang out all day mostly, correct?
22
Yes.
23
Smoke?
24
Smoke.
25
Use pharmaceuticals?
BHS
OCR
CM
CRR
CSR
424
Yes.
Cocaine?
No.
You would drink alcohol?
I drank maybe 4, 5 time.
Now, I want to talk to you about your lies in the grand
jury.
correct?
Yes.
10
And, in fact, he was in Colorado; correct?
11
Yes.
12
And you came to New York?
13
Yes.
14
And you were given a lawyer when you came to the grand
15
jury; correct?
16
Yes.
17
And that lawyer explained to you your rights; correct?
18
He explain them, but I didn't understand.
19
When you lied in the grand jury, Mr. Zazi wasn't there,
20
21
22
23
24
25
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425
BY MS. HARRIS:
government lawyers was there; correct?
Yes.
And they also explained your rights; correct?
Yes.
They told you that if you lie, it could be a crime;
correct?
Yes.
10
And they told you that you don't have to answer questions
11
if answering them would hurt you; correct?
12
I remember everything, whatever he said.
13
And you took an oath -- correct?
14
Yes.
15
16
Yes.
17
An oath to tell the truth?
18
Yes.
19
Much like the oath you took here today?
20
Yes.
21
But you told a lot of lies; correct?
22
Yes.
23
You told the grand jury that you had not hung out with
24
Najibullah in Pakistan; correct?
25
And then when you went into the grand jury, one of the
-- in the grand jury?
I don't know.
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
426
In fact, you did associate with him; correct?
When he came over?
When Najibullah came to Pakistan, you did spend time with
him; correct?
Yes.
You said in the grand jury you had never met anyone
associated with the Taliban or Al-Qaeda?
Yes.
That was a lie?
10
Yes.
11
In fact, you have met people associated with Al-Qaeda?
12
Yes.
13
You also lied and said you never knew anyone who had
14
attended the training camp?
15
Yes.
16
But you in fact had known that Najibullah had attended
17
the training camp; correct?
18
Yes.
19
And his two friends.
20
the government lawyer.
21
you had ever carried a gun?
22
Yes.
23
All those lies, those lies protected you; correct?
24
Me and my family.
25
You were the one who put Najibullah in touch with
When he came to Pakistan, you mean?
I was hanging around outside all the time.
And his two friends.

You talked about this a bit with
But you also lied about whether or not
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
427
Al-Qaeda; correct?
Yes.
You wanted to hide the truth about that; correct?
Yes.
Now, I want to talk to you about the time period after
Najibullah got arrested.
correct?
Yes.
A lot of times; fair to say?
10
Yes.
11
It's pretty stressful; right?
12
It was, but it was fun.
13
And there comes a time when you pick up the phone and you
14
call one of those agents; correct?
15
Yes.
16
You decided that you wanted to talk about a job with the
17
18
19
were out of jobs.
20
And you couldn't take it anymore?
21
I could, because it will be fun for me just to drive
22
around and smoking for free.
23
the future and overseas, my family, and when somebody need to
24
work in the house, and all of us were out of a job and you
25
can't live.
You were questioned by agents;
Government, or any job, because we were, all of us, we
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
But then I was thinking about
CSR
1
I'm sorry?
You can't live without money in the world.
You needed money?
To work and support families.
You decided to call agent Mike Neener?
Correct.
MS. HARRIS:
428
Your Honor, with the previous agreement
with the government, I'm going to play the November 20 phone
call.
10
THE COURT:
11
MR. HARRIS:
12
Okay.
And the accompanying transcript will be
published to the jury simultaneously.
13
THE COURT:
All right.
14
Are we able to do that?
15
THE CLERK:
16
(Tape plays.)
17
(Tape stops.)
Yes, your Honor.
18
Just to be clear, Mike Neener is an agent with the FBI;
19
correct?
20
Yes.
21
And the job that you are talking about is a job with the
22
23
Yes.
24
Because you had heard that the government can give you
25
money; correct?
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
429
No.
Well, isn't it true that you had heard from Zaher Akbar
that you can get money by giving information to the
We went to the library.
house.
to go overseas in Afghanistan, being a translator overseas.
And then I try to went there, and he give a cell phone which I
No.
This phone call I made, Tariq was there, my cousin.

Before that, we went to Zaher's
He came from some sort of a training that he was going
10
never used it, and his wife said, Zaher wants his phone back,
11
and me and Tariq went to Zaher's house and give him the cell
12
phone back.
13
the job, and he said you could get -- it's not with the
14
government, it's like a translator overseas with the military.
15
And I told him, What do you need for that?
16
And he said, You need to be a citizen.
17
But I told him, I'm not a citizen and I have only
18
green card.
19
know.
20
And he came from the training, and I asked about
He said, Well, you could do that, too.
You never
And then after that, we went to the library, and it
21
was the same day or different day, I went to the library, me
22
and Tariq went to the library, and I told Tariq to look for
23
that website that people -- Afghani website that people, they
24
have interview with you on the phone, then they ask you a
25
couple of questions, if you speak their language, and they
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
430
will accept you, and they will ask for your documents to send
it over there and they will have you a call.
When I went to the library and check the website,
they said, You need to be a citizen.
And then I had no other
jobs, and Zaher -- plus, I heard from somebody that government
know about me a lot.
just come over there and meet me to tell him about the secret.
So, I called Mike.
So, at the time,
Right?
So, you did in fact meet with Mike Neener that day.
10
With Jason, too.
Mike and Jason.
11
You also, at that meeting, told them what you were --
12
what kind of job you were hoping to get; correct?
13
I have no idea.
14
You told them that you had heard that Zaher was working
15
for the FBI, and you wanted to know if you could get a similar
16
deal; correct?
17
18
Zaher.
19
20
correct?
21
22
trick or something like that, and he came to our house one day
23
with his wife and he brought a gift and he said, The FBI sent
24
us here.
25
something, and they never talked loud until they wrote a
I don't know if I said that.
But I was suspicious about
You thought that he was a paid informant for the FBI;
Yes, because a couple of times, he used some kind of like
And they have a tape-recorder under the shirt or
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
431
letter to, I don't know, Wali, because Sultan Bibi don't know
how to read our language.
3
4
Zaher said, The FBI sent me here.
Be careful,
whatever you said.
When I came home later on and I find out and I found
out why did the FBI send only you, nobody else, so I got
suspicious.
took them to some sort of a desert and talked to them about
us, to tell us something or to find out about us.
10
After that one day, Zaher was telling us that FBI
I was like, He might be working.
Why he's taking
11
you two times and not us?
12
13
might get a good deal with the government; correct?
14
15
and get myself out of trouble.
16
17
correct?
18
19
house is bigger than everywhere in Colorado.
20
five-bedroom house and a big basement.
21
22
correct?
23
No.
24
I'm going to show you -- for the witness only -- a
25
document to see if this refreshes your recollection.
Let's cut to the chase here.
You were hoping that you
I was going to think I was going to tell them everything
You were hoping that you would get a place to live;
I have a place to live.
I have a big house.
My aunt's
She had a
I can stay there.
You were hoping to get some money out of the FBI;
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
I want
1
to draw your attention to where my finger is.
THE COURT:
MS. HARRIS:
recollection.
Do you want him to read it to himself?

Yes.
Read that to yourself and see if that refreshes your
THE COURT:
THE WITNESS:
(Pause.)
432
Can you read English okay?

Yes.
Yes.
10
THE COURT:
Pose the question again, please.
11
Does that refresh your recollection that you wanted the
12
FBI to give you money?
13
14
to find out if Zaher is working for FBI and he came to our
15
house.
16
us, so I was like, Zaher is really working for FBI, then, if
17
they offer me a job.
18
19
your chances might be better?
20
21
then I was going to I think that he's a real snitcher.
22
You had called the FBI this day; correct?
23
Yes, I did.
24
You made a call?
25
Yes.
No.
I was asking the FBI questions, because I was going
So, that means if they say, Yes, you could work for
So, if Zaher was getting paid by the FBI, you thought
No.
I was going to find out, if he's a real FBI agent,
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
433
On that call, you had asked about a, quote
unquote, "job"?
Yes.
And you needed to go somewhere; correct?
Yes.
That you were bored?
Yes.
You just needed to do something?
Yes.
10
And you were hoping that they would help you do
11
something; correct?
12
13
or arrested.
14
could have drove.
15
job over there, drive a taxi.
16
not under the job list.
17
who is a real snitcher.
18
19
to call the FBI; correct?
20
Yes.
21
And isn't it true that you also, that same day, told the
22
FBI agents that you wanted to be free to live your life;
23
correct?
24
Yes.
25
You wanted to be free to drink; correct?
No, because I was free.
I wasn't not under investigation
I couldn't fly, but I could take a train.
I would have go to New York, have a better

I was under the fly list, but
The thing is, I was going to find out
So, you were free to do all those things, but you chose
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
434
Yes.
You wanted to be free to smoke marijuana; correct?
Yes.
And have fun?
Yes.
This was your idea, to call the FBI; correct?
Yes.
It wasn't Mr. Zazi's idea?
No.
10
He didn't even know that you had called the FBI; correct?
11
No.
12
You went and talked to the agents by yourself; correct?
13
Yes.
14
And when you met with the agents, you lied; correct?
15
Yes.
16
You told the agents about Najibullah going to Waziristan?
17
Later on.
18
Well, you certainly didn't tell the agents that you had
19
helped Najibullah go to Waziristan; correct?
20
Up to the time, yes.
21
In fact, you blamed it on someone else; correct?
22
Yes.
23
In fact, you had been drinking alcohol when you called
24
the FBI; correct?
25
No, because I was with Tariq, and I couldn't drink in
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front of him.
FBI; correct?
A day before.
I'm sorry?
A day before.
Well, during the interview with the FBI agents, they in
fact asked you whether you had been drinking; correct?
I don't remember.
10
Let me show you a document that might help you refresh
11
your recollection.
But you had snuck some alcohol before you met with the
12
THE COURT:
13
MS. HARRIS:
14
THE COURT:
Point out what you would like him to
read to himself, please.
17
18
I'm sorry.
Government's Exhibit 3500-AZ-4, the last page.
15
16
Just give the identification number.
Just read it to yourself, and let us know when you

are done.
19
(Pause.)
20
Yes.
21
Does that refresh your recollection?
22
Yes.
23
You in fact had been drinking; correct?
24
No.
25
They did ask you about drinking alcohol; correct?
I drink the day before.
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I lied to them.
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Yes.
And you told them that you had been?
I told them I did drink.
Now, you met with the agents again a couple of days
later; correct?
I met a lot of times, but I don't know which day.
It's fair to say that this phone call started a lot of
meetings with the agents; correct?
I think so.
10
And you met with them a few days later; correct?
11
Yes.
12
And again, that meeting was not Mr. Zazi's idea?
13
None of the calls -- none the meetings was nobody's idea.
14
It was only me.
15
He didn't even know about the meetings?
16
Nobody knows.
17
He didn't tell you what to say in those meetings?
18
If he didn't knew it, how was he going to tell me what to
19
say?
20
THE COURT:
21
He didn't know; correct?
22
Don't do that.
He didn't tell you what to
say; correct?
23
THE WITNESS:
24
THE COURT:
25
Don't do that.
Yes.
Just answer the questions.
Don't ask
questions back.
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And you chose to lie again; correct?
To who?
Is it fair to say that you lied repeatedly to the FBI
agents; correct?
Yes.
Not just once?
No.
Not just on November 20?
I don't remember the dates.
10
You lied again on November 25, 2009?
11
November 26, 2009?
12
THE COURT:
Yes.
You lied again on
You have to answer out loud.
13
I don't know the dates, but I lied.
14
and I lied to them a lot, too.
15
And you lied about all sorts of things; correct?
16
Possible.
17
You lied about what you did in Pakistan?
18
Yes.
19
And you also made up lies that you thought would make
20
yourself look good; correct?
21
Yes.
22
Like telling them that you have been an informant for the
23
NYPD?
24
Yes.
25
That you had ratted out other drug dealers to eliminate
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CSR
I met a lot,
438
competition?
Yes.
That was a lie?
Yes.
You thought it made you look tough?
No.
I think what you said is, you thought it would give you
credit; right?
Credit, yes.
10
Credit, or credibility?
11
Make them like pay attention.
12
They were not paying attention to you very well, were
13
they?
14
They were.
15
Because you wanted to get a good deal from them; correct?
16
I didn't know about the deal that time.
17
Now, fair to say you kept on meeting with them in
18
December; correct?
19
Yes.
20
December 2?
21
I don't remember the dates.
22
Every couple of days, you met with them; correct?
23
Yes.
24
And not in any of these meetings did you admit that you
25
introduced Najibullah to Al-Qaeda; correct?
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Yes.
In September, yes.
December?
December.
And you only did that after at least five or six or seven
meetings; correct?
I don't remember the numbers.
When you did admit it, you only did it because the agents
started telling you that you were in trouble; correct?
I don't know.
10
And that if you didn't tell them what was going on, you
11
would go to jail; correct?
12
I have no idea.
13
And you wouldn't get any deals; correct?
14
We didn't talk about no deals until we came to New York,
15
and there was no deals.
16
17
you had done in Pakistan, they put you up in a hotel; correct?
18
19
out of there, because if you guys keep taking me outside,
20
Naqib is going to think, Why are they taking you outside all
21
the time?
22
It's going to be hard for me to talk to you guys.
23
better to put me somewhere else, so we could talk.
24
They didn't put you in jail?
25
Yes, because I didn't plead guilty.
I don't know.
Let me ask you this:
No.
The day after you told them what
I told them I don't want to -- I just want to get
They are going to be asking a lot of questions.
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CSR
It would be
1
Al-Qaeda; correct?
440
You just told them that you had introduced Najibullah to
Not there, not in Colorado.
MR. HARRIS:
THE COURT:
(Pause.)
3500-AZ-11.
And I don't know.
I forgot.
May I have a moment, your Honor?

Yes, you may.
Let me show you page four of Government's Exhibit
Just for the witness, your Honor.
10
Drawing your attention to the bottom paragraph.
11
THE COURT:
Center it and focus in a little bit
12
more.
13
14
done with that section.
I can show you page one of the same exhibit, if you are
15
THE COURT:
16
(Pause.)
Tell us when you're done, please.
17
Yes.
I remember.
18
So, that's the first time that you told the agents that
19
you had arranged for the training in Waziristan; correct?
20
Yes.
21
Right.
22
wrong; correct?
23
Let me read.
24
You told them that you were the one who had arranged for
25
Adis, Zarein and Najibullah to be trained in Waziristan?
But I lied there, too.

At least you said that you had done something
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Yes, through somebody else.
That meeting took place in Denver; correct?
I don't know.
Let me show you page one of the same Exhibit, 3500-AZ-11.
Drawing your attention to the top paragraph?
(Pause.)
I don't understand the writing.
Does that refresh your recollection that this meeting had
taken place in a Denver field office the FBI?
10
I don't even understand what was wrote there.
11
THE COURT:
Don't worry about that.
You've read it.
12
Do you now have a recollection that the meeting occurred in
13
Denver?
14
THE WITNESS:
I don't know.
15
And that meeting occurred on December 10, 2009; correct?
16
I have no idea.
17
And the next day, you were put in a hotel; correct?
18
I don't know what date it was when I was put in a hotel,
19
but I think it was December.
20
It was December and it was in Colorado; correct?
21
Yes.
22
For about a week; correct?
23
A week, yes.
24
Until you were brought to New York?
25
Yes.
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occasions, they would buy you food; correct?
Yes.
Pizza?
Yes.
Sprite?
I don't know.
what I ate.
442
And when you met with the agents on these multiple
I don't know what Sprite is.
I forgot
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
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CSR
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1
BY MS. HARRIS:
you made up some stories about chemicals; correct?
In Denver?
Correct?
About what chemicals?
You talked about this on direct with the government
attorney.
had followed the juga to Walmart; correct?
443
And on one occasion when you went to the FBI in Denver,
You said that you had lied and told them that you
10
Yes.
11
You lied and told the agents that you had actually seen
12
the chemicals in the van, correct?
13
Yes.
14
And you lied and said that you had actually seen the
15
chemicals at Naqib's house before September 2009; correct?
16
I might, but I don't remember.
17
You were telling all these lies because you thought it
18
would make you more valuable to the FBI; correct?
19
No.
20
Sorry?
21
I couldn't think something else.
22
You're making up whatever came into your head, correct?
23
At that time.
24
When you finished these stories on December 11th, you
25
demanded to see the big boss of the FBI; correct?
I was just lying because I couldn't think no more.
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CSR
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Yes.
The FBI agent in chief, correct?
Yes.
To see if he would believe you, correct?
Actually, when I saw him I was like this, how about if I
give these people all the information and I didn't know about
the lawyer and I'm like these people bring me in the media and
everything -- I'll be everything responsible for everything
happening.
So that's why I didn't trust the little guys so I
10
went to the boss.
11
12
correct?
13
I would make sure that I was safe.
14
I want to talk about your cooperation agreement.
15
look at the last page.
You wanted to make sure that you would get a good deal,
16
THE COURT:
17
MS. HARRIS:
18
(Pause.)
Take a
You want the jury to see this too?

Yes.
19
That is dated January 8, 2010; correct?
20
Yes.
21
That's the date you signed this agreement, correct?
22
Yes.
23
And that is the same day that you pled guilty?
24
What?
25
know when I pled guilty, but I remember I think it was
I think I plead guilty on January 5th.
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CSR
I don't
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January 5th.
admitted into evidence, this document is an agreement between
you and the United States Attorney's office; correct?
Yes.
And before signing it you read it carefully, right?
Yes.
And you discussed it with your lawyer?
Yes.
10
Make sure that you understood all of the provisions;
11
correct?
12
Yes.
13
And in this agreement you have certain obligations;
14
correct?
15
Yes.
16
And the government has certain obligations, correct?
17
Yes.
18
Well, let's talk about it in detail.
19
debriefed; correct?
20
About what?
21
You agreed to meet with them; correct?
22
Yes.
23
Whenever they want, correct?
24
Yes.
25
And to answer all of their questions; correct?
This document, Government Exhibit -- what has been
I don't know.
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CSR
You've agreed to be
446
Yes, truthfully.
And to tell them about all the criminal activity that you
are aware of; correct?
Yes.
Give them any documents?
I had no documents on me.
To testify at any proceedings?
Yes.
Your testimony here today, that is part of your deal;
10
correct?
11
Yes.
12
And if you refuse to testify the government could rip up
13
your agreement; correct?
14
Yes.
15
And you could lose all the benefits contained in it?
16
Yes, but I don't know if -- I don't know what kind of
17
benefit I have because it's up to the judge, not up to me.
18
19
government that if you did your job they would write you a
20
letter; correct?
21
To the judge.
22
At your sentencing; correct?
23
It's up to the judge sentence me.
24
The government --
25
Yes.
Well, let's talk about that.
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CSR
You were promised by the
447
And they would tell the judge about all the meetings that
you had with them; correct?
I don't know.
And they would tell the judge about your testimony;
correct?
Yes.
And you only get that letter if you do everything the
government wants you to do; correct?
Yes.
10
And you only get that letter if you give them substantial
11
assistance in their investigation; correct?
12
I don't know.
13
Well, fair to say that you have to help them in their
14
other cases; correct?
15
How am I going to help them?
16
This letter is supposed to help the judge decide what
17
sentence to give you; correct?
18
They don't give to it me.
19
I'm sorry.
20
lawyer; correct?
21
Yes, my attorney.
22
And you reviewed the paragraphs of the cooperation
23
agreement; correct?
24
Yes.
25
And you read paragraph six of the cooperation agreement,
I think so.
It's to say the truth.
They give it to the judge.
You discussed this agreement with your
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
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correct?
2
3
448
Tell me when you want me to turn the page.

(Pause.)
I don't understand, can you explain it to me?
THE COURT:
No.
She asks the questions.
Go ahead, ask another one.
Your hope is that the judge is going to reward you for
your cooperation; correct?
No.
I'm sorry?
10
I hope my judge give me nothing, no sentence.
11
But your hoping for no time, right?
12
Yes.
13
You don't want to go to jail for 30 years?
14
No.
15
And the lawyer told you that is a possibility; correct?
16
Yes.
17
Let's talk about what you might be facing.
18
obstruction charge you could go to jail for up to 20 years;
19
correct?
20
What is obstruction?
21
For destroying the evidence.
22
Yes.
23
And for helping Najibullah get into Pakistan you could go
24
to jail for up to ten years?
25
I just hope that my judge give me nothing.
For the
Yes.
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
1
You face a total of 30 years altogether?
Yes.
With the help of the government there is no minimum;
correct?
I don't know what is their law.
Now, the cooperation agreement also promises that you
won't be charged for any other crimes; correct?
I don't know.
Today in court under oath you have told the jury that
449
10
Mr. Mohammed Wali Zazi told you to go destroy the evidence,
11
correct?
12
Yes.
13
And you were together in the same room with him when you
14
had that conversation, correct?
15
Yes.
16
And that he told you to make the appointment and to make
17
the medicine call; correct?
18
Yes.
19
Now, since the beginning of your cooperation,
20
November 20, 2009, you probably met with the agents at least
21
40 times, correct?
And Sultan Bibi.
22
MS. MARRUS:
Can she clarify cooperation?
23
THE COURT:
Overruled.
24
I don't know the specific number, but it was a lot.
25
A lot of times.
And the first time that you told the
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United States government that Mr. Zazi was involved in the
destruction of evidence was in June of 2011; correct?
You mean 2011?
Just a month ago.
Yes.
That was the very first time that you said anything about
Mr. Zazi being involved in the destruction of evidence?
Yes.
And that meeting was with Miss Marrus here; correct?
10
Yes.
11
And Agent Copeland; correct?
12
I think so.
13
Another FBI agent, correct?
14
Yes.
15
And they met with you to discuss this case; correct?
16
Yes.
17
And that was the first time that you had net with Miss
18
Marrus; correct?
19
Yes.
20
And they told you that they might need you to testify
21
against Mr. Zazi; correct?
22
Yes.
23
And you wanted to make them happy; correct?
24
No.
25
They told you they had to -- that you had to testify to
I don't know the name.
First I think so, yes.
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keep your cooperation agreement; correct?
Yes.
And that's the day, first day that you said that Mr. Zazi
had anything to do with the destruction of evidence?
Yes.
And on that day in June 2011, you didn't say anything
about having a conversation with Mr. Zazi after you came back
from destroying the evidence; correct?
Which day and which evidence?
10
Under oath here today you told the jury that when you
11
came back from Naqib's house that you had a conversation with
12
Mr. Zazi and that you told him the job is done?
13
Yes.
14
In June, 2011 you did not tell Miss Marrus about that
15
conversation; correct?
16
17
but I don't know, I don't remember, but I think so I told
18
them.
19
20
destruction of evidence; correct?
21
I said two things.
22
Remember meeting with the prosecutors and agents in New
23
York in December of 2009?
24
In New York?
25
Correct?
I don't know.
I told them that Wali told us to go there
I don't remember.
There was too much going on then.
In fact, you told a lot of different stories about the
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
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Yeah, I met like a lot of times but I don't remember.
Isn't it true that at one meeting you told them that
Sultan Bibi had made the medicine call, the coded medicine
call about the destruction of evidence?
maybe Sultan Bibi did it.
it; correct?
Yes.
10
You also at that meeting said that Rabia and Sultan Bibi
11
had poured all the chemicals down the drain and you had done
12
nothing, correct?
13
Yes.
14
And that was a lie too, correct?
15
I think so.
16
You had in fact cut up some of the evidence yourself,
17
correct?
18
I don't know.
I think I told them maybe I did it or
It would have been a lie if you had said Sultan had done
Ahuh.
19
THE COURT:
20
THE WITNESS:
That is yes?
Yes.
21
On January 6, 2010, you met with the agents and the
22
prosecutors again; correct?
23
I don't know the date.
24
It was two days before your guilty plea.
25
I don't know.
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CSR
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You were here in New York in January 2010, correct?
2010, yes.
And you were staying in a hotel, correct?
Yes.
At government expense?
Government expense?
They were paying for you, correct?
Yes.
And at that meeting you told them about how the chemicals
10
had been destroyed; correct?
11
It might be.
12
And that you didn't think Mr. Zazi was present; correct?
13
Yes.
14
And two days later you pled guilty; correct?
15
I don't know the date.
16
We just talked about the cooperation agreement you signed
17
on January 8, 2010, correct?
18
Yes.
19
In that cooperation agreement you promised to tell the
20
truth, correct?
21
Yes.
22
And then in November 17, 2010, just last year, just last
23
November, you met with the prosecutors and the agents again,
24
correct?
25
I have no idea.
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CSR
1
destruction again; correct?
I think so.
I'm going to show you what is marked Government
Exhibit 3500 AZ 53.
paragraph describing -- well, I'll let you read it.
454
And you told the agents a story about the evidence
Looking first at the first page, first
THE COURT:
You want him to read the top paragraph?
MS. HARRIS:
Yes.
(Pause.)
10
THE COURT:
Let us know when you're done.
11
Are you done?
12
THE WITNESS:
13
THE COURT:
Yes.
Go ahead.
14
And at that meeting you told them about the conversation
15
between Rabia and Sultan Bibi, correct?
16
I think so.
17
And at that meeting you told them that Mr. Zazi was not
18
present, correct?
19
Yes.
20
And you told them that Sultan Bibi loved her son very
21
much; correct?
22
Yes.
23
You told them that Sultan Bibi has control over Mr. Zazi
24
when it comes to her son; correct?
25
Possibly, it could be possible.
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CSR
455
obligations in your cooperation agreement; correct?
Yes, but I still lied.
Now, one thing that you always said was true about the
destruction of evidence is that you were there; correct?
Yes, I was there.
Now, again, you were the one who had helped Najibullah
meet up with Al Qaeda, correct?
Yes.
10
And that's where Najibullah learned how to make a bomb;
11
correct?
12
13
Waziristan to learn over there how to make a bomb.
14
15
responsibility for what had happened, correct?
16
17
to get there to Waziristan.
18
And destroying the chemicals helped you; correct?
19
No.
20
Well, if there was less proof against Najibullah, you
21
were the one who had introduced Najibullah to Al Qaeda,
22
correct?
23
24
government, I would have lied too.
25
And at the time of that meeting you were under the
I don't know what he learned, but I didn't go with him to
Fair to say that after this all happened you had some
Yes.
That I pushed him toward Waziristan.
I helped him
I shouldn't have done it.
It didn't help me.
Then I will never cooperate and never tell the
THE COURT:
Listen to the question and answer the
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CSR
456
question.
You would destroy evidence to help yourself; correct?
I think -- I didn't think nothing.
You just said a moment ago that you would lie to try and
get yourself out of it, correct?
Later on.
If necessary correct?
Like after we destroy chemicals and everything went to
court, went to the grand jury, so then I was helping myself
10
and my family.
11
12
correct?
13
Yes.
14
It was in white bottles; correct?
15
Containers.
16
Containers.
17
remember; correct?
18
I don't remember that much.
19
And there were about 2 or 3 bottles; correct?
20
I think so.
21
And at one of the meetings the agents asked you a lot of
22
questions about the substance, correct?
23
Yes, they asked me lot of questions.
24
You remember them putting a little cup of another
25
chemical in front of you?
The evidence that you destroyed smelled like bleach;
White bottles with blue labels, if you
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CSR
457
A cup?
I don't remember.
They asked you to smell it; correct?
I think so.
They asked you does this smell, smell like what you
remember the smell being at Naqib's house?
Oh, yes, yes.
And you said no?
No.
You said it definitely smelled like bleach; correct?
10
Yes.
11
Before coming to court today you met with the
12
prosecutors; correct?
13
Today?
14
Before coming to court today, you did meet with the
15
prosecutors; correct?
16
Yes.
17
And you met with agents as well; correct?
18
Yes.
19
And you met with them recently to talk about this trial;
20
correct?
21
Yes.
22
And they discussed what kinds of questions were going to
23
be asked; correct?
24
No, they just tell me to just go with my story.
25
They told you what it might be like when I'm asking
I saw them.
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CSR
458
questions; correct?
Like what?
They told you that Mr. Mohammed Wali Zazi's lawyers might
be asking you some questions; correct.
Yes.
They told you how you should answer them, correct?
Yes.
And they practiced asking you questions; correct?
Yes.
10
I'm going to talk to you a little bit about Naqib Jaji.
11
Now, you lived with them for several weeks in December of
12
2009; correct?
13
Yes.
14
Before you went to the hotel?
15
Yes.
16
And that was during the time period when you were meeting
17
with the FBI?
18
Yes.
19
And you told them about what you had done in Pakistan;
20
correct?
21
Naqib?
22
Rabia and Naqib.
23
I told them a lot of stuff.
24
You told them about what had happened with Najibullah in
25
Pakistan, correct?
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CSR
1
I have no idea.
They also told you things; correct?
About what?
They told you that they had thrown out other evidence;
correct?
I don't remember.
Rabia had told you that she had thrown out garbage in
boxes of Najibullah's that she had found in the garage;
correct?
10
Yes.
11
And that they had thrown out that evidence long before
12
September 15, 2009; correct?
13
I have no idea what they did.
14
But when you went over on September 15th supposedly to
15
destroy these chemicals, there were no papers or boxes to
16
destroy; correct?
17
No.
18
Nowhere to be seen, correct?
19
I never searched around the house.
20
and down.
21
22
the FBI.
23
correct?
24
Yes.
25
That was in Colorado?
459
I was just going up
Now, let's go back to when you first started meeting with

They put you up in a hotel in Denver for a week,
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
460
Yes.
At that point, although you weren't telling the truth,
you had told them that you had helped Najibullah get in touch
with Al Qaeda; correct?
I think so.
But they paid for your week in a hotel?
Yes.
Correct?
Yes.
10
And they paid for you to fly to New York City, correct?
11
Yes.
12
You are weren't flown in handcuffs; correct?
13
No.
14
You didn't have to wear a prison uniform?
15
No.
16
And when you got to New York you were given a lawyer,
17
correct?
18
Yes.
19
And you continued to tell the government about your
20
crimes; correct?
21
Yes.
22
And they didn't put you in jail then either, did they?
23
No.
24
In fact they put you up in a hotel in New York?
25
Yes.
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
461
They paid for your food?
Yes.
And your transportation?
Yes.
Your clothes?
Yes.
And then there came a time when you actually pled guilty?
Yes.
In front of a judge?
10
Yes.
11
Under oath?
12
Yes.
13
In this courthouse?
14
I don't know if this room or other room, yes.
15
And you were not in jail then either, were you on that
16
day when you pled guilty?
17
No.
18
You continued to stay in a hotel; correct?
19
Yes.
20
And there was no bond or bail set; correct?
21
I don't know if they bail me out or what.
22
You didn't have to pay any money to stay out of jail, did
23
you?
24
I didn't get nothing, yes.
25
In fact, the government gave you money; correct?
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
462
Yes.
To continue living?
Yes.
And then there came a time in February 20, 2010 when the
government paid for a furnished apartment; correct?
Yes.
And you stayed in a furnished apartment from February
2010 until December 2010; correct?
Yes.
10
And they continued -- and the government continued to
11
support you; correct?
12
After that time?
13
No, I'm talking about during the time, between February
14
and December of 2010?
15
Yes.
16
Paid for your food?
17
Yes.
18
They paid for a cellphone?
19
Yes.
20
They paid for household items?
21
Yes.
22
It cost a lot of money, right?
23
Might be.
24
And you talked a lot about drug use, problems you've had
25
over the past number of years.
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
463
Yes.
After you pled guilty were you subject to any drug
testing?
Yes.
How many?
I don't know the count, but the probation officer used to
come and do the drug test.
Now, recently you had problems with drugs again; correct?
Yes.
10
And you came to New York to get ready to testify;
11
correct?
12
I wasn't going to testify until I was in jail.
13
And you went to see the judge about -- on July 12th,
14
correct?
15
Last week.
16
Just last week you saw the judge?
17
Yes.
18
When you went to see the judge you were not in prison;
19
correct?
20
No.
21
And what was -- at that court appearance you were told
22
that you're being sent to jail because you abused drugs;
23
correct?
24
Not testifying.
25
And your lawyer said that they would try to get you out
And drugs.
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
A. Zazzi - redirect - Marrus
464
again; correct?
Yes.
He would try to get you out after you finished testifying
here; correct?
I think so.
MS. HARRIS:
May I have one minute?
THE COURT:
Yes.
(Pause.)
MS. HARRIS:
I have no further questions, Judge.
10
THE COURT:
Thank you, Miss Harris.
11
Any redirect?
12
MS. MARRUS:
Yes, your Honor.
13
14
BY MS. MARRUS:
15
16
put up in a hotel and the government paying your expenses.
17
Yes.
18
After you began cooperating with the government, was it
19
safe for you to go home?
20
No.
21
Had you provided information on people beyond Mr. Zazi?
22
Yes.
23
Had you provided information about people in Al Qaeda?
24
Yes.
25
Mr. Zazi, you were asked questions on
Mr. Zazi, you were just asked some questions about being
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
465
cross-examination -- you heard a recording between yourself
and Agent Neener, remember that?
Yes.
And during that recording you were asking Agent Neener
for a job as a translator?
Yes.
Did Agent Neener get you a job as a translator?
No.
Mr. Zazi, you are currently in jail?
10
Yes.
11
Is that correct?
12
Yes.
13
And you were asked questions on cross-examination about
14
when you went to jail; is that right?
15
Yes.
16
Why did you go to jail?
17
Because I tell them I'm not going to testify, and plus I
18
took drugs.
19
Who weren't you going to testify against?
20
The government.
21
I'm sorry?
22
The government.
23
Why didn't you want to testify against Wali?
24
Because I respect him and he's my uncle.
25
MS. MARRUS:
Against Wali.
May I have a moment?
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
466
THE COURT:
Yes.
MS. MARRUS:
I have no further questions.
THE COURT:
Anything further?
MS. HARRIS:
Nothing further.
THE COURT:
All right.
witness out, please.
(Witness excused.)
THE COURT:
You're excused.
Let's break for the day.
tomorrow promptly at 9:30.
your transcript books on your chairs.
11
notes back to the juryroom.
12
overnight.
Leave
You can bring your
Ilene will take care of them
You know the drill:
Don't go looking for
14
information, don't let information find you.
15
evening.
16
9:30.
Good night.
We will start
10
13
Take the
Have a nice
See you tomorrow morning at
All rise.
17
(Jury leaves.)
18
THE COURT:
19
Okay.
20
21
22
23
24
25
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
467
1
2
THE COURT:
Where are we going?
Okay.
Let's have the one-day audit.
What's left.
MS. BERGER:
Your Honor, we have, as far as tomorrow
looks, we have a number of short law-enforcement witnesses.
We have another cooperating witness, Naqib Jaji.
THE COURT:
MS. BERGER:
Okay.
We'll be playing a few recordings.
The
witnesses I think might take a little while tomorrow would be
Naqib Jaji and the agent that took Mr. Zazi's statements.
10
THE COURT:
11
that I have misplaced.
12
the government's case?
13
14
MS. BERGER:
I may have a witness list around here

How many witnesses are there total in
I think there's about fourteen, your
Honor.
15
THE COURT:
Okay.
17
MS. BERGER:
Yes.
18
THE COURT:
19
MS. BERGER:
20
THE COURT:
21
Come up, please, Ms. Harris, Ms. Colson.
22
MS. BERGER:
16
You'll get to Naqib Jaji
tomorrow?
All right.
Good night.
Good night, your Honor.

See you tomorrow.
Just briefly, your Honor, members of
23
the media had requested if they had permission to have copies
24
of the photographs that were admitted in evidence.
25
we needed to get the court's permission before we would give
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
And I said
468
1
those photos over.
2
3
THE COURT:
They are exhibits in evidence.
I think
they are entitled to them.
Do you want to be heard?
MR. HARRIS:
THE COURT:
(Case adjourned to Tuesday, July 19, 2011, at 9:30
No, your Honor.

Good night.
a.m.)
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22
23
24
25
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
469
1
INDEX
R O B E R T
M A R T E N
252
DIRECT EXAMINATION
252
14
1, 2, 3 and 4
256
E R I C
262
19
262
24
J U R G E N S O N
6
7
DIRECT EXAMINATION
CROSS-EXAMINATION
295
18
308
24
313
25
10
A M A N U L L A H
11
DIRECT EXAMINATION
314
12
12
CROSS-EXAMINATION
399
13
464
13
14
Z A Z I
EXHIBITS
15
1-A
257
11
16
4-A
260
17
17
25A, B and C
265
14
18
272
13
19
273
20
273
12
21
10
273
20
22
11
274
23
274
24
13
274
12
25
12
274
17
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
470
1
21, 21 A, 21 B
282
21
23 A, B, C and D are received
287
25
24 and 24-A through D
289
25 A through H
290
24
16
299
60
313
11
70 through 80
313
11
70-T through 80-T
313
12
17
317
15
10
18
318
11
14
326
12
15
327
13
16
329
12
14
44
395
15
15
10
401
16
402
17
403
22
18
405
19
406
11
20
407
12
21
22
23
24
25
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
$
$10 [1] - 419:11
$5 [1] - 371:16
'
'97 [1] - 252:22
1
1 [9] - 255:5, 256:8, 256:19, 311:20,
376:4, 469:4, 469:12, 470:12, 470:15
1-A [2] - 257:11, 469:15
10 [9] - 219:22, 273:16, 273:20,
322:19, 400:16, 401:1, 441:15, 469:21,
470:15
10-CR-60 [1] - 219:3
10016 [1] - 219:23
10th [3] - 275:7, 286:12, 303:10
11 [15] - 242:23, 246:14, 274:2, 289:18,
289:20, 305:10, 306:1, 306:2, 327:11,
418:18, 469:15, 469:22, 470:6, 470:7,
470:19
11201 [2] - 219:15, 220:2
11th [2] - 286:14, 443:24
12 [12] - 274:17, 306:14, 306:16, 332:6,
417:24, 469:11, 469:20, 469:24,
469:25, 470:8, 470:13, 470:20
12th [3] - 275:11, 286:13, 463:13
13 [6] - 274:12, 323:4, 332:6, 469:13,
469:18, 469:24
14 [8] - 290:7, 307:9, 308:15, 326:1,
326:6, 469:3, 469:17, 470:11
15 [7] - 326:18, 327:1, 333:11, 459:12,
470:9, 470:12, 470:14
15th [5] - 224:7, 224:22, 258:16,
258:23, 459:14
16 [6] - 299:8, 329:7, 329:12, 354:25,
470:5, 470:13
16th [4] - 262:4, 277:8, 296:2, 339:10
17 [7] - 263:21, 317:15, 453:22,
469:16, 469:25, 470:9
17th [3] - 281:7, 293:22, 300:16
18 [7] - 219:7, 236:8, 318:7, 318:9,
469:8, 470:10
18th [2] - 281:9, 300:25
19 [3] - 293:7, 468:7, 469:5
1990 [1] - 248:16
1999 [6] - 332:4, 332:7, 332:10,
332:21, 376:4, 404:7
1st [2] - 332:4, 341:5
2
2 [11] - 255:15, 256:8, 283:10, 311:23,
365:15, 369:13, 438:20, 456:19, 469:4,
469:19, 469:22
20 [9] - 268:12, 295:4, 341:15, 428:8,

437:8, 448:18, 449:20, 462:4, 469:21
2000 [1] - 329:22
2003 [7] - 252:22, 261:8, 333:2,
333:10, 334:6, 417:14, 422:20
2004 [4] - 261:10, 261:20, 335:18,
335:19
2007 [2] - 222:19, 229:5
2008 [10] - 248:2, 257:22, 258:8,
259:19, 259:22, 259:24, 260:2, 283:10,
336:4, 336:7
2009 [62] - 224:23, 241:25, 242:12,
242:19, 243:16, 246:14, 248:24,
258:16, 258:24, 259:10, 262:4, 264:1,
264:22, 266:1, 267:11, 268:7, 268:24,
271:21, 275:4, 275:11, 275:19, 277:8,
281:7, 281:9, 289:18, 289:20, 290:6,
290:7, 293:7, 295:23, 301:13, 301:22,
302:9, 312:13, 312:15, 312:17, 312:19,
312:21, 312:23, 312:25, 313:2, 313:4,
318:24, 339:8, 341:5, 341:25, 342:16,
352:25, 356:22, 376:10, 390:24,
408:17, 409:9, 409:25, 437:10, 437:11,
441:15, 443:15, 449:20, 451:23,
458:12, 459:12
2010 [11] - 395:20, 444:19, 452:21,
453:1, 453:2, 453:17, 453:22, 462:4,
462:8, 462:14
2011 [6] - 219:7, 450:2, 450:3, 451:6,
451:14, 468:7
20530 [1] - 219:19
21 [15] - 282:14, 282:17, 282:21,
282:22, 282:24, 283:3, 283:11, 284:5,
470:1
22 [4] - 283:18, 283:22, 286:5, 470:17
225 [1] - 220:2
2259 [1] - 266:13
22nd [1] - 259:10
23 [13] - 286:3, 287:6, 287:13, 287:16,
287:17, 287:18, 287:22, 287:25, 288:4,
470:2
24 [9] - 276:5, 289:3, 289:9, 289:24,
422:24, 469:6, 469:9, 470:3, 470:4
24-A [4] - 289:6, 289:9, 289:16, 470:3
24/7 [1] - 264:15
25 [17] - 265:20, 282:2, 290:13, 290:20,
290:24, 291:1, 291:6, 291:13, 291:17,
292:11, 437:10, 469:10, 470:2, 470:4
25-A [1] - 264:24
252 [2] - 469:2, 469:3
256 [1] - 469:4
257 [1] - 469:15
25A [5] - 264:24, 265:14, 268:8,
268:20, 469:17
25B [3] - 265:3, 268:1, 268:11
25C [2] - 265:7, 268:18
25th [2] - 259:24, 260:1
26 [1] - 437:11
260 [1] - 469:16
262 [2] - 469:5, 469:6
265 [1] - 469:17
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
271 [1] - 219:14

272 [1] - 469:18
273 [3] - 469:19, 469:20, 469:21
274 [4] - 469:22, 469:23, 469:24,
469:25
282 [1] - 470:1
287 [1] - 470:2
289 [1] - 470:3
28th [6] - 257:22, 258:7, 259:6, 259:19,
259:22, 261:8
290 [1] - 470:4
295 [1] - 469:8
299 [1] - 470:5
29th [1] - 261:20
2:00 [3] - 345:11, 374:19, 375:7
2nd [2] - 301:22, 302:8
3
3 [7] - 255:19, 256:8, 263:15, 288:21,
369:13, 456:19, 469:4
30 [3] - 341:15, 448:13, 449:1
302 [8] - 303:11, 304:15, 306:14,
307:11, 307:15, 307:16, 307:19
302's [1] - 310:1
303 [1] - 267:18
303-500-2877 [1] - 312:13
303-627-2355 [1] - 312:15
303-688-4176 [1] - 312:17
303-766-3188 [1] - 312:19
303-944-3596 [1] - 312:21
308 [1] - 469:9
313 [4] - 469:10, 470:6, 470:7, 470:8
314 [1] - 469:11
317 [1] - 470:9
318 [1] - 470:10
326 [1] - 470:11
327 [1] - 470:12
329 [1] - 470:13
3307 [1] - 219:23
347-228-6738 [1] - 312:23
348 [1] - 347:9
349 [1] - 347:9
3500 [2] - 302:5, 454:5
3500-AZ-11 [2] - 440:8, 441:4
3500-AZ-4 [1] - 435:14
395 [1] - 470:14
399 [1] - 469:12
4
4 [10] - 255:24, 255:25, 256:8, 260:10,
260:12, 288:21, 312:3, 354:14, 424:5,
469:4
4-A [2] - 260:17, 469:16
40 [1] - 449:21
401 [1] - 470:15
402 [1] - 470:16
403 [2] - 228:21, 470:17
404(b [2] - 221:9, 221:15

405 [1] - 470:18
406 [1] - 470:19
407 [1] - 470:20
40th [1] - 219:22
44 [3] - 395:4, 395:15, 470:14
464 [1] - 469:13
4A [3] - 260:9, 260:12, 261:19
4th [1] - 261:10
5
5 [9] - 354:14, 395:20, 406:7, 406:11,
407:21, 423:13, 424:5, 469:2, 470:19
500-2877 [1] - 267:18
53 [1] - 454:5
58 [1] - 268:10
5th [2] - 444:24, 445:1
7:21:51 [1] - 268:7

7th [4] - 264:22, 268:24, 271:21,
301:13
8
8 [13] - 273:2, 327:24, 401:19, 402:8,
444:19, 453:17, 469:4, 469:19, 469:23,
470:5, 470:16, 470:18
80 [4] - 311:21, 313:6, 313:11, 470:7
80-T [6] - 311:24, 312:4, 312:7, 313:7,
313:12, 470:8
801(d)(2 [1] - 224:25
83 [1] - 262:4
84 [2] - 258:9, 259:21
8:30 [1] - 343:14
8th [1] - 290:6
6
6 [10] - 272:13, 316:16, 355:22, 404:23,
405:8, 420:12, 452:21, 469:18, 470:11,
470:18
60 [3] - 313:9, 313:11, 470:6
600 [1] - 334:20
646-702-3691 [1] - 312:25
6th [3] - 266:1, 267:11, 268:7
9 [9] - 242:19, 274:8, 327:18, 403:3,

403:22, 469:23, 470:3, 470:10, 470:17
9-11 [2] - 269:20, 269:22
917-217-3319 [1] - 313:4
950 [1] - 219:19
9:00 [1] - 343:14
9:30 [4] - 219:8, 466:9, 466:16, 468:7
9:32:26 [1] - 269:1
9th [1] - 275:4
7
7 [10] - 273:10, 273:12, 302:5, 322:13,
334:20, 355:22, 407:6, 407:12, 469:20,
470:20
70 [5] - 311:20, 312:7, 313:6, 313:11,
470:7
70-T [7] - 311:23, 312:3, 312:6, 312:10,
313:6, 313:12, 470:8
71 [1] - 311:20
71-T [3] - 311:23, 312:3, 312:6
718 [1] - 261:14
72 [1] - 311:20
72-T [2] - 311:23, 312:3
720-495-0663 [1] - 313:2
73 [1] - 311:20
73-T [2] - 311:23, 312:3
74 [1] - 311:21
74-T [2] - 311:24, 312:4
75 [1] - 311:21
75-T [2] - 311:24, 312:4
76 [4] - 224:17, 224:21, 311:21
76-T [2] - 311:24, 312:4
77 [1] - 311:21
77-T [2] - 311:24, 312:4
78 [1] - 311:21
78-T [3] - 311:24, 312:4, 312:10
79 [1] - 311:21
79-T [2] - 311:24, 312:4
7:09 [1] - 268:10
A
a.m [3] - 219:8, 418:18, 468:8
Abdullah [4] - 283:7, 283:12, 286:22,
288:5
able [8] - 255:1, 255:15, 266:4, 266:7,
266:14, 266:16, 267:21, 428:14
absolutely [3] - 275:2, 291:25, 315:8
Abu [2] - 330:1, 330:4
abused [1] - 463:22
AC [1] - 368:15
accent [1] - 249:16
accept [1] - 430:1
access [1] - 254:15
accommodating [1] - 249:13
accompanied [2] - 296:9, 296:14
accompanying [1] - 428:11
according [1] - 414:7
accordingly [1] - 254:24
account [14] - 266:17, 281:13, 282:16,
282:19, 287:10, 287:14, 288:6, 288:14,
289:7, 290:21, 291:15, 291:18
accountable [3] - 246:4, 246:5
accounts [10] - 281:11, 281:16,
281:18, 281:21, 281:24, 281:25, 282:3,
282:15, 286:7, 287:11
accurate [2] - 227:20, 311:24
accurately [2] - 312:4, 312:11
accused [1] - 249:22
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
acetone [1] - 285:19

actively [1] - 243:17
activities [1] - 248:11
activity [3] - 264:10, 269:11, 446:2
actual [3] - 225:3, 231:13, 253:23
adaption [2] - 227:2, 229:24
add [2] - 336:22, 419:13
addicted [1] - 420:19
addicts [1] - 420:15
addition [6] - 269:19, 270:10, 271:11,
276:23, 317:9, 366:20
additional [1] - 293:22
address [15] - 264:14, 264:16, 265:21,
266:8, 266:13, 266:14, 267:9, 268:3,
271:11, 286:21, 286:25, 287:1, 289:5,
289:14, 290:19
addressed [2] - 278:1, 350:10
addresses [4] - 264:13, 266:4, 288:10,
288:11
Adis [23] - 255:17, 257:5, 259:18,
275:18, 292:16, 315:24, 316:5, 317:10,
317:17, 318:4, 318:25, 355:4, 355:5,
355:12, 355:16, 388:1, 389:21, 390:14,
392:13, 393:10, 395:22, 396:21, 440:25
adjourned [1] - 468:7
adjust [1] - 254:24
admirable [1] - 226:15
admissibility [2] - 225:3, 225:7
admissible [4] - 224:25, 230:4, 230:8,
313:7
admission [7] - 225:1, 225:15, 381:11,
402:7, 403:22, 406:20, 407:11
admit [3] - 400:25, 438:24, 439:7
admitted [4] - 260:10, 291:12, 445:3,
467:24
adopt [6] - 228:2, 228:15, 229:20,
230:15, 230:16, 230:18
adopted [25] - 227:3, 227:9, 227:13,
227:17, 227:19, 228:13, 228:18,
229:21, 230:3, 231:14, 231:18, 231:21,
232:3, 244:11, 328:16, 328:17, 328:25,
329:2, 375:19, 375:21, 375:23, 376:11,
377:3, 381:1, 384:2
adoption [12] - 227:21, 229:16,
229:24, 231:12, 231:24, 375:3, 376:1,
384:12, 384:14, 385:18, 385:19, 389:7
adress [2] - 267:1, 267:2
advance [4] - 223:16, 237:16, 244:25,
346:15
advantage [1] - 230:23
advised [1] - 310:18
advisement [1] - 229:15
Afghan/Russian [1] - 346:6
Afghani [1] - 429:23
Afghanistan [3] - 244:12, 375:20,
429:8
Afghanistan/Pakistan [1] - 263:16
afraid [1] - 248:7
AFTERNOON [1] - 350:1
afternoon [7] - 220:11, 314:14,
314:15, 350:3, 399:3, 399:4, 415:7
afterwards [1] - 417:10

Afzali [12] - 243:24, 243:25, 244:2,
244:3, 244:5, 245:23, 249:24, 293:10,
313:5, 409:20, 409:23, 410:1
age [2] - 408:2, 417:24
agent [21] - 231:22, 253:1, 253:9,
254:14, 255:1, 256:18, 263:6, 263:20,
269:25, 270:17, 271:15, 277:12,
292:19, 309:1, 309:18, 428:5, 428:18,
432:20, 444:2, 450:13, 467:9
Agent [19] - 252:2, 252:16, 256:12,
257:17, 260:6, 261:23, 265:11, 283:5,
283:19, 284:4, 285:13, 288:3, 290:18,
291:7, 291:12, 450:11, 465:2, 465:4,
465:7
agents [43] - 241:25, 245:8, 251:9,
251:11, 275:19, 286:16, 305:1, 306:8,
307:3, 309:11, 390:20, 390:23, 391:1,
391:4, 391:5, 391:13, 392:8, 392:14,
392:17, 393:12, 393:14, 427:6, 427:14,
433:22, 434:12, 434:14, 434:16,
434:18, 435:7, 436:4, 436:8, 437:4,
439:7, 440:18, 442:1, 443:11, 449:20,
451:22, 452:21, 453:23, 454:1, 456:21,
457:17
ago [4] - 248:24, 346:22, 450:4, 456:4
agree [3] - 250:12, 311:8, 343:9
agreed [6] - 249:12, 396:6, 396:11,
422:4, 445:18, 445:21
agreeing [1] - 311:5
agreement [26] - 225:25, 226:6, 299:3,
302:24, 306:22, 315:16, 315:18,
394:23, 395:12, 396:7, 396:9, 398:1,
428:7, 444:14, 444:21, 445:3, 445:13,
446:13, 447:19, 447:23, 447:25, 449:6,
451:1, 453:16, 453:19, 455:2
ahead [13] - 221:17, 226:20, 238:17,
272:12, 285:10, 290:17, 291:11,
307:20, 371:19, 387:24, 404:25, 448:5,
454:13
Ahmad [20] - 220:24, 243:24, 245:22,
249:24, 293:10, 313:5, 329:11, 329:17,
354:6, 354:7, 354:9, 354:10, 354:21,
355:2, 355:3, 355:9, 355:11, 409:19,
411:20
Ahmed [2] - 337:25, 338:1
Ahmedzay [5] - 255:23, 257:5, 259:3,
259:9, 275:17
ahuh [1] - 452:18
Aided [1] - 220:4
aimed [1] - 242:2
air [1] - 254:4
airline [1] - 254:8
Airlines [2] - 261:14, 289:18
airlines [1] - 253:25
airplane [1] - 384:21
Airport [14] - 258:9, 258:10, 258:11,
258:17, 258:20, 259:8, 259:13, 259:14,
259:22, 259:25, 261:14, 261:15,
261:21, 262:3
airport [4] - 258:19, 258:20, 259:12,
384:19
Airways [3] - 258:9, 259:21, 262:4
Ajmal [1] - 357:5
Akbar [4] - 312:22, 313:3, 409:12,
429:2
Al [24] - 242:15, 244:24, 248:3, 315:24,
316:2, 316:5, 316:21, 318:16, 319:1,
325:19, 337:6, 337:7, 338:4, 339:16,
395:22, 426:7, 426:11, 427:1, 438:25,
440:2, 455:8, 455:21, 460:4, 464:23
Al-Qaeda [15] - 242:15, 244:24, 248:3,
315:24, 316:2, 316:5, 316:21, 318:16,
319:1, 395:22, 426:7, 426:11, 427:1,
438:25, 440:2
alcohol [6] - 334:11, 418:8, 424:4,
434:23, 435:2, 435:25
alerted [1] - 276:21
ALLAH [1] - 267:5
allegations [2] - 284:12, 284:18
alleged [1] - 229:10
allow [2] - 347:2, 347:6
allowed [1] - 238:15
allows [1] - 231:25
almost [1] - 239:15
alone [1] - 336:9
aloud [1] - 266:23
Alternate [1] - 220:10
altogether [1] - 449:1
AM [2] - 268:7, 268:10
Amanallah [3] - 221:7, 221:12, 221:18
Amanullah [67] - 221:1, 221:23, 222:4,
225:23, 225:25, 226:11, 226:18,
226:24, 227:8, 227:13, 227:17, 227:25,
228:2, 228:15, 229:11, 230:6, 231:4,
242:14, 242:16, 243:3, 243:11, 244:2,
244:8, 244:10, 244:12, 245:9, 247:23,
247:24, 248:4, 248:5, 249:25, 250:9,
250:19, 250:21, 250:22, 256:2, 260:8,
260:23, 260:24, 261:24, 262:7, 273:5,
277:19, 277:21, 279:8, 279:9, 280:5,
280:7, 280:9, 295:7, 301:17, 301:22,
302:8, 302:17, 303:9, 304:7, 305:10,
305:20, 308:7, 308:14, 309:5, 309:19,
311:2, 312:16, 312:18, 314:5, 388:16
AMERICA [1] - 219:3
American [1] - 248:23
amount [1] - 267:16
amout [1] - 267:17
analysis [1] - 311:11
analysts [1] - 275:25
ANDREW [1] - 219:16
angry [1] - 414:21
anniversary [2] - 242:23, 269:20
answer [20] - 236:19, 237:9, 237:12,
238:2, 238:8, 238:10, 279:6, 309:15,
381:24, 383:20, 388:13, 389:4, 389:10,
412:12, 425:10, 436:24, 437:12,
445:25, 455:25, 458:6
answered [1] - 412:5
answering [1] - 425:11
answers [2] - 242:5, 243:15
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
anytime [1] - 416:16

anyway [3] - 237:4, 238:19, 370:20
AOA,,hi [1] - 266:25
apartment [4] - 271:24, 342:2, 462:5,
462:7
apartments [2] - 243:5, 243:6
apologize [5] - 256:16, 260:17, 307:9,
311:3, 381:16
apology [1] - 359:17
appear [5] - 229:11, 296:25, 297:3,
343:19, 344:14
appearance [1] - 463:21
appearances [2] - 220:8, 240:8
APPEARANCES [1] - 219:12
appeared [3] - 282:4, 282:11, 284:6
application [4] - 223:19, 223:24,
223:25, 293:20
apply [1] - 421:12
appointment [2] - 365:14, 449:16
appreciate [2] - 237:19, 284:22
approached [1] - 244:1
appropriate [2] - 235:21, 361:2
approval [4] - 270:6, 270:9, 270:10,
301:15
approved [3] - 270:18, 270:20, 292:24
April [3] - 261:10, 262:4, 339:10
area [3] - 296:21, 297:9, 310:15
argue [16] - 221:11, 221:23, 222:10,
225:4, 225:16, 225:20, 227:16, 227:18,
228:17, 231:9, 231:18, 231:20, 231:23,
232:3, 347:4
arguing [3] - 226:23, 227:3, 230:18
argument [3] - 228:18, 230:25, 237:6
arguments [3] - 225:2, 235:16, 236:3
Armstrong [2] - 296:12, 299:24
arranged [3] - 290:4, 440:19, 440:24
arrangement [1] - 289:18
arrest [1] - 390:16
arrested [8] - 293:4, 293:8, 293:9,
293:10, 390:17, 390:19, 427:6, 433:13
arrival [1] - 258:20
arrived [9] - 242:22, 258:11, 260:1,
261:21, 262:9, 263:18, 275:6, 286:12,
296:9
arrives [1] - 259:21
arriving [2] - 261:15, 289:22
Arthur [3] - 296:12, 299:20, 299:23
articulable [1] - 270:15
aside [1] - 251:19
aslamulikum [1] - 267:14
assessments [2] - 270:2, 270:3
assigned [6] - 253:2, 263:6, 263:14,
263:15, 263:23, 275:25
assignments [2] - 276:3, 276:5
assistance [1] - 447:11
Assistant [1] - 219:17
associate [1] - 426:1
associated [3] - 292:1, 426:7, 426:11
assumed [1] - 227:12
ate [1] - 442:8
ATSP [5] - 253:21, 254:1, 254:11,
255:13, 255:22
attached [2] - 286:22, 288:16
attachment [3] - 283:14, 285:13
attachments [4] - 283:16, 283:20,
284:5, 288:7
attack [3] - 242:2, 242:3, 244:19
attacks [2] - 242:23, 269:20
attended [5] - 244:1, 277:11, 417:7,
426:14, 426:16
attention [12] - 264:1, 283:3, 288:3,
288:9, 313:20, 336:4, 352:25, 432:1,
438:11, 438:12, 440:10, 441:5
attenuated [1] - 347:1
attorney [4] - 309:8, 309:10, 443:8,
447:21
Attorney [1] - 219:14
Attorney's [1] - 445:4
Attorneys [1] - 219:17
attorneys [1] - 277:13
attributions [1] - 383:10
audio [11] - 303:3, 304:12, 304:20,
304:23, 305:2, 305:4, 306:6, 306:10,
306:24, 307:1, 307:5
audit [1] - 467:1
August [12] - 252:22, 257:22, 258:7,
259:6, 259:19, 259:22, 332:4, 336:4,
336:7, 341:5, 342:17, 376:4
Aunt [2] - 319:13, 320:1
aunt [7] - 319:13, 322:23, 323:8,
323:18, 331:1, 410:9
aunt's [3] - 323:17, 352:8, 431:18
aunts [1] - 274:16
Aurora [6] - 266:13, 271:24, 290:8,
341:7, 341:8, 341:14
AUSTERN [1] - 219:24
auto [1] - 414:8
Automatic [1] - 253:21
avail [1] - 234:7
available [3] - 236:23, 237:3, 337:20
avails [1] - 235:9
Avenue [1] - 219:19
aware [6] - 276:14, 276:17, 276:22,
308:16, 365:4, 446:3
AZ [2] - 302:5, 454:5
Azai [1] - 271:7
B
Babrak [14] - 325:9, 325:17, 326:22,
341:16, 352:13, 352:14, 352:20,
356:14, 356:17, 357:5, 357:7, 380:12,
382:8, 383:7
Babrak's [13] - 325:5, 325:8, 326:11,
352:15, 377:24, 378:6, 380:9, 381:13,
381:19, 382:2, 382:4, 382:6, 382:24
baby [2] - 230:12, 419:5
backdrop [2] - 284:19, 285:2
background [2] - 269:10, 357:24
bad [4] - 396:16, 396:18, 396:19, 397:9
bag [9] - 370:13, 370:14, 370:15,
370:23, 371:11, 371:19, 372:18, 373:6,

419:22
bags [1] - 371:22
bail [2] - 461:20, 461:21
Bakr [1] - 330:4
Bakr's [1] - 330:1
ball [4] - 285:2, 346:15, 423:14
bar [3] - 278:2, 279:1, 347:7
Barbak [3] - 378:8, 379:8
base [1] - 234:12
baseball [3] - 423:13, 423:14, 423:15
based [5] - 253:20, 261:11, 261:23,
270:14, 355:11
basement [1] - 431:20
bases [5] - 226:7, 253:15, 253:22,
254:3, 254:15
basics [1] - 254:4
basis [5] - 237:6, 256:4, 381:7, 381:11,
413:6
bastard [1] - 320:12
bathroom [5] - 320:1, 320:24, 321:2,
367:22, 367:25
beat [1] - 422:7
beating [1] - 422:9
beauty [1] - 285:17
became [5] - 248:22, 365:4, 389:22,
389:23, 421:10
become [7] - 239:13, 240:25, 252:23,
264:4, 274:21, 275:3, 276:13
bedrock [1] - 233:18
bedroom [4] - 320:1, 321:2, 342:5,
431:20
BEFORE [1] - 219:9
began [9] - 271:16, 271:18, 271:20,
305:25, 312:6, 404:7, 411:24, 417:22,
464:18
begin [6] - 232:17, 232:19, 269:7,
269:14, 269:24, 271:19
beginning [1] - 449:19
behalf [3] - 233:25, 234:1, 350:16
behaving [3] - 333:6, 422:7, 422:10
behind [7] - 228:22, 228:23, 252:5,
321:1, 402:1, 402:5, 403:13
belonging [1] - 281:14
benefit [2] - 237:5, 446:17
benefits [1] - 446:15
Berger [2] - 285:8, 310:21
BERGER [54] - 219:15, 222:14,
222:16, 222:19, 222:22, 222:25,
224:15, 224:20, 225:22, 226:10,
226:16, 226:21, 227:24, 229:7, 263:2,
265:14, 265:18, 272:11, 272:18,
272:20, 273:6, 273:12, 273:20, 279:4,
279:8, 279:12, 282:21, 283:17, 283:22,
285:9, 285:11, 287:16, 287:19, 288:21,
288:25, 289:9, 290:16, 290:23, 291:9,
293:14, 295:6, 295:9, 295:11, 301:20,
308:23, 308:25, 310:20, 350:13, 467:3,
467:7, 467:13, 467:17, 467:19, 467:22
BERIT [1] - 219:15
best [2] - 249:18, 383:10
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
better [5] - 248:21, 249:3, 432:19,

433:14, 439:23
between [13] - 221:6, 224:6, 226:18,
227:5, 230:6, 258:23, 291:14, 321:6,
364:13, 445:3, 454:15, 462:13, 465:1
beyond [2] - 233:7, 464:21
Bibi [62] - 250:9, 273:17, 319:13,
320:1, 320:2, 320:8, 320:20, 320:24,
321:6, 321:8, 321:11, 321:21, 322:1,
322:5, 322:21, 325:21, 341:20, 342:2,
354:19, 363:24, 364:14, 364:17,
364:21, 366:3, 366:12, 367:2, 367:19,
368:16, 369:10, 370:7, 371:2, 371:15,
373:23, 376:16, 377:19, 379:20,
381:23, 382:10, 384:20, 385:20,
387:18, 388:2, 388:8, 388:21, 389:17,
390:12, 394:18, 399:17, 399:22, 402:3,
403:15, 406:7, 416:7, 416:15, 431:1,
449:12, 452:3, 452:6, 452:10, 454:15,
454:20, 454:23
big [5] - 342:2, 343:4, 431:18, 431:20,
443:25
bigger [2] - 389:8, 431:19
binder [3] - 224:18, 224:21, 313:15
biological [12] - 222:5, 226:25, 227:2,
227:7, 227:14, 227:25, 228:1, 228:13,
231:13, 279:9, 399:13, 399:15
birth [1] - 254:5
bit [14] - 220:16, 247:25, 284:21,
305:15, 345:2, 351:13, 357:9, 405:24,
408:15, 417:3, 418:5, 426:19, 440:11,
458:10
blamed [1] - 434:21
bleach [5] - 368:10, 368:11, 368:13,
456:11, 457:9
block [1] - 317:5
blogging [2] - 241:16, 241:19
blood [1] - 280:8
blot [1] - 246:13
blow [1] - 347:3
blue [2] - 403:4, 456:16
board [2] - 316:24, 316:25
boarded [2] - 254:9, 259:25
body [1] - 414:8
boiling [4] - 342:9, 342:14, 342:21,
343:11
bomb [11] - 242:22, 243:21, 245:24,
245:25, 246:13, 246:19, 247:17, 251:6,
319:7, 455:10, 455:13
bomb-making [2] - 245:24, 247:17
bombarded [1] - 247:5
bombing [2] - 288:16, 346:25
bond [1] - 461:20
bookbag [5] - 370:21, 370:22, 370:23,
371:4, 371:11
books [3] - 313:20, 345:12, 466:10
border [1] - 249:8
bored [2] - 422:8, 433:6
born [3] - 314:16, 315:11, 407:2
boss [2] - 443:25, 444:10
bottles [3] - 456:14, 456:16, 456:19
bottom [8] - 255:2, 259:18, 265:21,

268:19, 305:12, 305:16, 306:15, 440:10
bought [3] - 335:22, 404:18, 404:20
bound [1] - 257:21
bounds [2] - 237:11, 238:11
box [1] - 283:7
boxes [2] - 459:8, 459:15
boy [2] - 401:22, 401:24
boys [2] - 246:18, 420:16
break [15] - 236:6, 288:20, 288:24,
345:10, 351:11, 369:4, 369:5, 369:6,
369:19, 369:24, 369:25, 415:4, 415:7,
466:8
brief [1] - 220:20
briefing [3] - 304:4, 304:11, 304:20
briefly [5] - 308:23, 333:5, 350:10,
364:10, 467:22
bring [11] - 232:11, 235:2, 235:3,
255:2, 279:3, 295:10, 313:22, 370:20,
415:15, 444:7, 466:10
bringing [1] - 421:6
broadcast [3] - 241:11, 304:23, 307:1
broken [1] - 370:11
Brooklyn [10] - 219:5, 219:15, 220:2,
244:17, 245:20, 377:10, 377:16,
384:16, 385:3, 388:20
brother [9] - 247:14, 248:25, 271:7,
274:11, 279:9, 279:10, 280:8, 281:1,
292:5
brother-in-law [2] - 247:14, 248:25
brothers [6] - 331:7, 331:8, 331:9,
331:20, 352:18, 352:19
brought [9] - 222:20, 222:22, 249:10,
297:24, 298:7, 375:19, 392:17, 430:23,
441:24
brown [1] - 403:9
building [4] - 242:22, 284:14, 297:7,
300:2
burden [4] - 220:12, 232:25, 233:2,
233:12
burn [3] - 369:3, 369:9, 369:11
Burton [1] - 220:1
business [2] - 267:2, 409:9
busy [1] - 380:14
buy [5] - 249:7, 334:23, 334:25,
371:21, 442:2
BY [24] - 219:15, 219:24, 252:15,
257:2, 263:2, 285:11, 295:19, 308:25,
314:13, 317:8, 325:2, 362:4, 372:1,
381:18, 383:14, 389:15, 399:2, 402:12,
411:1, 414:3, 415:21, 425:1, 443:1,
464:14
C
cab [2] - 248:19, 418:13
Cadman [2] - 219:14, 220:2
called-appearances [1] - 220:8
camera [3] - 297:13, 297:16, 298:23
camp [3] - 250:24, 426:14, 426:17
camped [1] - 277:3

camps [1] - 248:3
cannot [1] - 224:12
capacity [1] - 228:7
captured [1] - 262:11
car [20] - 242:19, 275:5, 286:14, 290:2,
346:12, 351:22, 351:24, 353:15,
353:16, 353:19, 353:21, 353:23, 354:1,
356:13, 357:4, 375:11, 380:15
card [1] - 429:18
care [13] - 220:13, 250:25, 267:4,
320:20, 322:5, 322:10, 365:18, 366:15,
373:1, 399:21, 400:2, 400:4, 466:11
careful [1] - 431:3
carefully [6] - 243:9, 245:16, 250:1,
251:17, 251:20, 445:6
carried [2] - 242:21, 426:21
carrier [2] - 254:4, 259:7
cars [1] - 408:16
case [66] - 220:8, 222:9, 222:20,
222:22, 225:23, 229:2, 229:8, 229:9,
231:15, 231:19, 232:10, 232:24, 233:4,
233:5, 233:13, 234:12, 234:20, 234:22,
235:21, 235:23, 235:24, 236:3, 236:5,
236:10, 236:11, 236:16, 238:6, 239:13,
239:20, 240:3, 240:6, 240:7, 241:12,
241:17, 241:18, 245:5, 245:17, 246:11,
246:19, 246:20, 251:4, 251:8, 251:11,
251:22, 270:17, 277:12, 284:11,
284:12, 284:14, 284:20, 293:17, 315:1,
345:11, 359:24, 375:18, 390:17,
392:11, 392:12, 392:13, 410:3, 415:8,
450:15, 466:9, 466:15, 467:12, 468:7
cases [2] - 293:2, 447:14
cash [1] - 419:4
caught [6] - 276:24, 340:8, 378:24,
420:9, 420:24
caused [2] - 269:7, 269:13
CBP's [1] - 254:11
cell [5] - 310:10, 310:14, 310:15,
429:9, 429:11
cellphone [8] - 297:6, 297:8, 298:2,
298:11, 298:12, 298:13, 298:15, 462:18
center [2] - 401:20, 440:11
ceremony [1] - 330:12
certain [6] - 228:21, 293:21, 298:11,
311:6, 445:13, 445:16
certainly [2] - 241:8, 434:18
chair [2] - 248:8, 252:5
chairs [2] - 345:13, 466:10
chance [3] - 235:2, 235:15, 277:4
chances [1] - 432:19
change [3] - 235:25, 236:2, 276:10
charge [2] - 233:8, 448:18
charged [10] - 232:21, 235:17, 244:22,
244:23, 244:24, 244:25, 245:4, 246:7,
284:19, 449:7
charges [8] - 232:24, 234:22, 235:8,
284:14, 285:3, 346:8, 346:16, 395:24
chase [1] - 431:12
cheaper [1] - 423:11
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
check [2] - 367:19, 430:3

checked [1] - 373:20
checking [3] - 264:13, 368:4, 368:6
checkpoint [1] - 340:8
chemical [7] - 319:23, 325:22, 342:18,
363:10, 364:22, 371:3, 456:25
chemicals [65] - 243:20, 247:17,
247:18, 250:6, 250:10, 250:14, 285:14,
285:16, 318:21, 318:22, 319:3, 319:5,
319:14, 320:4, 320:15, 321:14, 321:19,
322:6, 322:10, 322:17, 323:2, 323:12,
323:20, 323:24, 326:14, 342:7, 359:5,
359:6, 363:19, 363:21, 364:1, 364:5,
364:7, 365:6, 365:21, 365:23, 366:5,
366:16, 366:18, 367:10, 367:21, 368:1,
368:22, 370:4, 379:14, 379:16, 379:19,
379:23, 380:4, 380:17, 380:21, 380:23,
394:13, 395:23, 396:22, 443:3, 443:6,
443:12, 443:15, 452:11, 453:9, 455:18,
456:8, 459:15
chemist [1] - 245:25
Chevy [1] - 409:2
Chicago [2] - 353:4, 356:12
chicken [1] - 420:7
chief [1] - 444:2
child [5] - 222:5, 231:18, 399:8,
400:17, 400:19
children [6] - 248:21, 248:22, 327:7,
400:3, 400:4, 406:15
chip [5] - 357:8, 357:14, 357:21, 358:2
chips [1] - 366:20
choice [4] - 233:16, 243:12, 243:13,
245:2
choices [1] - 246:4
chooses [2] - 233:20, 233:22
chose [2] - 433:18, 437:1
chosen [1] - 234:7
citizen [4] - 248:22, 429:16, 429:17,
430:4
City [11] - 242:2, 246:19, 269:21,
275:6, 275:13, 275:23, 276:25, 286:12,
293:11, 347:1, 460:10
city [2] - 244:19, 272:1
claimed [1] - 229:12
claims [1] - 228:23
clarification [1] - 406:13
clarify [2] - 293:23, 449:22
clarity [2] - 224:15, 292:11
classes [1] - 417:20
clay [3] - 342:22, 343:11, 344:6
clay-like [1] - 344:6
clear [7] - 225:8, 244:22, 262:5,
314:22, 352:5, 362:16, 428:18
clearly [3] - 224:25, 231:7, 359:9
CLERK [4] - 252:9, 262:22, 314:4,
428:15
client [15] - 221:7, 221:12, 221:18,
221:19, 222:5, 224:6, 224:9, 227:17,
230:7, 231:18, 231:23, 346:21, 389:6
climb [1] - 371:14
clip [4] - 241:14, 299:13, 300:9, 300:12
clippings [1] - 241:13

close [1] - 408:2
closer [1] - 288:25
closing [1] - 235:16
clothed [1] - 221:20
clothes [2] - 404:18, 461:5
club [1] - 220:14
clubs [2] - 378:24
CM [1] - 220:1
co [2] - 277:12, 388:17
co-case [1] - 277:12
co-conspirators [1] - 388:17
coat [1] - 272:6
cocaine [3] - 334:13, 398:17, 424:2
coconspirator [3] - 359:7, 359:25,
388:24
coconspirators [1] - 245:10
code [6] - 365:16, 366:7, 366:8,
366:17, 366:25, 367:14
coded [1] - 452:3
coffee [3] - 356:1, 356:8
coin [1] - 238:7
collect [1] - 420:18
collected [1] - 243:21
Collins [2] - 307:22, 307:24
color [2] - 342:22, 403:6
Colorado [41] - 242:17, 242:20, 243:3,
244:10, 246:1, 247:14, 249:1, 263:7,
264:8, 275:8, 275:13, 275:20, 276:9,
277:1, 281:4, 289:23, 290:8, 307:22,
307:24, 308:8, 341:1, 341:4, 341:6,
341:17, 341:19, 351:12, 351:14, 353:1,
356:15, 390:2, 391:2, 392:4, 405:24,
406:1, 406:3, 407:9, 424:10, 431:19,
440:3, 441:20, 459:25
COLSON [62] - 219:22, 219:24,
220:20, 221:1, 221:16, 221:18, 222:3,
223:2, 223:7, 223:10, 223:13, 223:22,
223:25, 224:6, 225:13, 225:19, 226:9,
227:16, 228:14, 230:2, 230:6, 230:9,
230:14, 230:16, 230:20, 231:3, 231:17,
232:6, 247:21, 256:9, 260:19, 262:15,
265:16, 272:9, 272:22, 273:7, 273:13,
273:21, 277:22, 277:25, 282:6, 282:8,
282:24, 283:23, 285:7, 287:22, 289:11,
291:1, 291:5, 295:4, 295:16, 295:19,
299:2, 299:8, 302:3, 303:12, 308:20,
310:7, 310:23, 317:22, 318:11, 350:7
Colson [6] - 277:24, 287:21, 307:20,
308:21, 310:22, 467:21
comfortable [1] - 309:11
coming [13] - 224:2, 254:25, 284:10,
336:25, 337:1, 366:10, 366:11, 366:15,
366:18, 367:13, 367:14, 457:11, 457:14
command [3] - 276:4, 276:6, 314:22
comments [2] - 378:18, 378:22
commit [1] - 414:14
committed [2] - 245:3, 245:7
common [1] - 410:6
communicate [1] - 239:22
communicated [1] - 300:4
communicating [1] - 241:15

communication [5] - 239:25, 240:13,
240:21, 241:3, 249:14
communications [2] - 264:7
Communications [1] - 253:19
community [2] - 239:15, 330:24
company [1] - 352:4
compelled [1] - 251:22
compelling [1] - 232:10
competition [1] - 438:1
completely [1] - 393:14
completion [1] - 263:23
complex [1] - 371:14
comply [2] - 240:20, 396:9
complying [1] - 240:18
compound [1] - 399:11
computer [5] - 242:21, 286:16, 408:7,
408:13
Computer [1] - 220:4
computers [1] - 408:4
conceal [2] - 246:22, 246:23
concealed [2] - 242:8, 243:19
concealing [1] - 243:14
concern [4] - 220:14, 220:17, 230:1,
359:23
concerned [4] - 230:17, 230:22,
231:11, 231:12
conclusion [1] - 246:6
conduct [2] - 235:12, 307:17
conducted [6] - 271:12, 276:25, 277:9,
295:25, 304:4, 309:19
conducting [1] - 247:3
conducts [1] - 253:7
confirmation [1] - 289:25
conflict [2] - 346:6, 346:22
confused [2] - 246:15, 247:13
confusing [1] - 280:12
congregation [1] - 330:16
connected [2] - 275:16, 316:7
connecting [2] - 262:1, 262:5
connection [2] - 254:17, 292:20
consent [3] - 281:15, 281:19, 298:6
consider [3] - 245:15, 311:15, 397:10
consideration [1] - 222:10
considered [2] - 311:6, 311:9
considering [1] - 233:9
consistency [3] - 342:23, 343:11,
344:12
consistent [7] - 233:12, 234:3, 246:6,
264:9, 266:22, 269:9, 269:11
conspiracy [8] - 232:21, 250:17,
359:8, 388:17, 389:1, 389:6, 389:7,
389:8
conspirators [2] - 245:10, 388:17
conspired [1] - 285:4
constitutes [1] - 225:15
constructive [2] - 346:20, 346:24
consulted [2] - 337:14, 337:18
contain [1] - 284:1
contained [6] - 238:11, 256:3, 264:9,
268:20, 289:6, 446:15
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
container [4] - 371:4, 419:1, 419:5,

419:19
containers [10] - 368:19, 368:20,
370:1, 370:2, 370:6, 370:8, 370:10,
456:15, 456:16
containing [2] - 242:21, 373:6
contains [1] - 288:7
contents [1] - 299:16
context [4] - 225:13, 225:16, 284:17,
284:22
continue [6] - 293:12, 345:3, 359:21,
359:22, 364:18, 462:2
Continued [13] - 237:21, 278:3,
279:14, 280:13, 303:15, 347:8, 358:13,
361:12, 371:23, 412:13, 413:9, 424:19,
466:19
continued [10] - 256:22, 309:15,
324:4, 410:12, 422:13, 442:9, 460:19,
461:18, 462:10
CONTINUED [1] - 257:1
CONTINUING [1] - 325:1
continuing [1] - 351:8
control [1] - 454:23
conversation [68] - 237:9, 240:11,
312:5, 319:16, 319:17, 319:20, 320:7,
321:3, 321:5, 321:6, 321:9, 321:11,
321:25, 322:4, 325:11, 339:22, 339:24,
340:2, 340:18, 354:12, 354:15, 354:18,
355:17, 356:22, 356:25, 358:5, 358:6,
360:12, 361:3, 361:5, 362:5, 362:17,
363:2, 363:7, 363:14, 363:23, 364:13,
365:25, 375:17, 377:21, 377:24, 378:3,
379:2, 379:4, 379:11, 379:13, 379:17,
380:6, 380:9, 380:12, 380:22, 380:23,
380:24, 381:2, 381:13, 381:19, 382:24,
383:23, 387:17, 388:7, 413:4, 414:16,
449:14, 451:7, 451:11, 451:15, 454:14
conversations [9] - 245:20, 311:21,
319:15, 325:4, 372:22, 373:14, 375:14,
376:23, 390:4
convinced [2] - 233:7, 242:8
cook [1] - 399:25
cooking [1] - 400:5
cooperate [4] - 250:5, 396:8, 396:10,
455:23
cooperating [3] - 396:24, 464:18,
467:5
cooperation [25] - 225:25, 226:6,
249:21, 302:24, 306:22, 315:16,
315:18, 394:23, 395:11, 395:12, 396:7,
396:9, 398:1, 398:2, 444:14, 447:22,
447:25, 448:7, 449:6, 449:19, 449:22,
451:1, 453:16, 453:19, 455:2
cooperator [1] - 295:7
coount [1] - 269:2
cop [1] - 394:10
Copeland [1] - 450:11
copied [1] - 270:21
copies [2] - 301:25, 467:23
copious [1] - 238:23
copy [3] - 224:17, 270:11, 286:19
corner [2] - 317:1, 364:16

correct [395] - 222:14, 229:7, 269:23,
270:20, 277:24, 286:23, 288:15,
288:17, 292:21, 295:25, 296:10,
296:18, 296:23, 297:7, 297:14, 297:18,
297:21, 297:22, 297:25, 298:3, 298:8,
298:17, 298:19, 298:21, 298:25,
299:17, 299:20, 300:7, 300:10, 300:13,
300:16, 301:1, 301:13, 301:18, 301:23,
302:9, 302:12, 302:19, 302:22, 303:7,
304:2, 304:5, 304:12, 304:21, 304:24,
305:2, 305:10, 305:21, 306:11, 306:14,
306:15, 306:18, 307:10, 308:2, 308:4,
308:8, 308:12, 309:16, 314:23, 321:3,
322:6, 359:13, 360:18, 360:19, 361:9,
389:3, 399:6, 399:11, 399:17, 399:21,
400:3, 400:6, 400:17, 400:21, 401:6,
401:10, 401:12, 401:14, 401:16,
401:20, 402:1, 402:5, 402:13, 402:17,
402:19, 402:21, 403:4, 403:7, 404:2,
404:7, 404:13, 405:1, 405:12, 405:17,
405:22, 406:1, 406:4, 406:8, 406:16,
406:25, 407:3, 407:7, 407:9, 407:18,
408:2, 408:5, 408:8, 408:13, 408:17,
408:19, 408:22, 408:25, 409:2, 409:10,
409:14, 409:16, 409:20, 409:23, 410:1,
410:2, 410:4, 410:7, 411:3, 411:6,
411:8, 411:10, 411:19, 411:22, 411:24,
412:1, 412:10, 414:5, 414:8, 414:12,
414:17, 414:23, 414:25, 415:2, 415:24,
416:3, 416:8, 416:10, 416:19, 416:22,
416:24, 417:1, 417:5, 417:8, 417:11,
417:14, 417:16, 417:18, 417:22, 418:2,
418:6, 418:9, 418:14, 418:22, 418:24,
419:2, 419:7, 419:13, 419:15, 419:17,
419:20, 419:22, 419:25, 420:3, 420:7,
420:24, 421:6, 421:9, 421:15, 421:17,
421:20, 421:22, 422:1, 422:5, 422:13,
422:20, 422:23, 423:3, 423:5, 423:9,
423:11, 423:17, 423:21, 424:8, 424:10,
424:15, 424:17, 425:3, 425:5, 425:8,
425:11, 425:13, 425:21, 425:24, 426:1,
426:4, 426:17, 426:23, 427:1, 427:3,
427:7, 427:14, 427:17, 428:6, 428:19,
428:22, 428:25, 429:4, 430:12, 430:16,
430:20, 431:13, 431:17, 431:22,
432:22, 433:4, 433:11, 433:19, 433:23,
433:25, 434:2, 434:6, 434:10, 434:12,
434:14, 434:19, 434:21, 434:24, 435:3,
435:8, 435:23, 435:25, 436:5, 436:8,
436:10, 436:21, 436:22, 437:1, 437:4,
437:15, 437:20, 438:15, 438:18,
438:22, 438:25, 439:5, 439:8, 439:11,
439:13, 439:17, 440:2, 440:19, 440:22,
441:2, 441:15, 441:17, 441:20, 441:22,
442:2, 443:3, 443:5, 443:9, 443:12,
443:15, 443:18, 443:22, 443:25, 444:2,
444:4, 444:12, 444:19, 444:21, 445:4,
445:11, 445:14, 445:16, 445:19,
445:21, 445:23, 445:25, 446:3, 446:10,
446:13, 446:20, 446:22, 447:2, 447:5,
447:8, 447:11, 447:14, 447:17, 447:20,
447:23, 448:1, 448:7, 448:15, 448:19,

449:4, 449:7, 449:11, 449:14, 449:17,
449:21, 450:2, 450:9, 450:11, 450:13,
450:15, 450:18, 450:21, 450:23, 451:1,
451:8, 451:15, 451:20, 451:25, 452:8,
452:12, 452:14, 452:17, 452:22, 453:1,
453:3, 453:7, 453:10, 453:12, 453:14,
453:17, 453:20, 453:24, 454:2, 454:15,
454:18, 454:21, 454:24, 455:2, 455:5,
455:8, 455:11, 455:15, 455:18, 455:22,
456:2, 456:5, 456:7, 456:12, 456:14,
456:17, 456:19, 456:22, 457:2, 457:9,
457:12, 457:15, 457:17, 457:20,
457:23, 458:1, 458:4, 458:6, 458:8,
458:12, 458:20, 458:25, 459:2, 459:5,
459:9, 459:12, 459:16, 459:18, 459:23,
460:4, 460:8, 460:10, 460:12, 460:17,
460:20, 461:18, 461:20, 461:25, 462:5,
462:8, 462:11, 463:8, 463:11, 463:14,
463:19, 463:23, 464:1, 464:4, 465:11
corroborated [1] - 245:17
corrupt [1] - 228:25
cost [7] - 228:8, 228:9, 229:9, 334:19,
402:19, 419:15, 462:22
counsel [5] - 233:24, 235:1, 317:3,
346:10, 347:7
count [1] - 463:6
counter [1] - 253:8
counter-terrorism [1] - 253:8
country [10] - 221:24, 242:20, 243:8,
248:16, 249:15, 262:2, 275:5, 422:8,
422:9
counts [3] - 232:22, 245:5, 251:23
couple [13] - 232:22, 238:18, 320:19,
330:22, 334:13, 357:1, 371:13, 419:18,
422:17, 429:25, 430:21, 436:4, 438:22
course [12] - 234:14, 236:13, 237:17,
237:20, 239:7, 239:16, 240:1, 240:12,
240:14, 241:7, 263:22, 263:23
courses [1] - 263:24
Court [2] - 220:1, 220:1
COURT [1] - 219:1
court [22] - 220:8, 239:6, 248:8,
249:22, 251:21, 272:3, 280:1, 292:24,
295:1, 301:15, 311:7, 350:2, 362:1,
381:17, 389:14, 414:1, 415:12, 449:9,
456:9, 457:11, 457:14, 463:21
court's [1] - 467:25
court-case [1] - 220:8
Courthouse [1] - 219:4
courthouse [3] - 239:15, 244:17,
461:13
COURTNEY [1] - 219:18
courtroom [7] - 233:3, 234:7, 239:19,
240:6, 240:8, 345:14, 345:16
cousin [8] - 242:13, 271:6, 315:23,
316:9, 316:13, 316:19, 352:20, 429:5
cousins [5] - 331:1, 352:15, 352:19,
352:21, 400:6
cover [3] - 226:7, 243:19, 287:20
coverage [3] - 226:1, 226:6, 264:15
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
covered [1] - 226:11

crack [1] - 251:10
crashing [1] - 249:4
crazy [1] - 421:10
create [3] - 303:3, 305:4, 416:3
created [1] - 306:10
creates [1] - 228:22
credibility [1] - 438:10
credit [4] - 394:12, 438:8, 438:9,
438:10
crime [4] - 228:25, 284:17, 285:1,
425:7
crimes [16] - 226:1, 226:11, 235:17,
245:3, 245:7, 245:13, 245:15, 246:7,
250:21, 284:19, 315:19, 315:21,
318:18, 396:1, 449:7, 460:20
criminal [6] - 233:4, 233:13, 233:18,
241:16, 276:25, 446:2
CROSS [4] - 295:18, 399:1, 469:8,
469:12
cross [10] - 221:6, 223:12, 231:4,
234:25, 235:13, 262:14, 262:15, 295:2,
465:1, 465:13
CROSS-EXAMINATION [4] - 295:18,
399:1, 469:8, 469:12
cross-examination [5] - 221:6, 231:4,
234:25, 465:1, 465:13
crossing [3] - 257:20, 258:6, 258:7
cup [9] - 368:19, 368:25, 369:6, 369:8,
369:22, 369:23, 369:25, 456:24, 457:1
custody [5] - 295:9, 302:17, 304:7,
305:23, 307:25
custom [1] - 411:10
Customs [4] - 252:18, 252:20, 252:23,
253:4
customs [2] - 252:24, 254:14
cut [9] - 369:4, 369:13, 369:14, 370:3,
370:6, 370:8, 370:10, 431:12, 452:16
cutting [1] - 250:10
D
D.C [1] - 270:11
Daddy [1] - 410:11
dark [3] - 246:15, 414:23, 414:24
data [5] - 253:15, 253:22, 254:3,
254:15, 256:4
database [2] - 254:7, 255:11
databases [1] - 253:18
date [28] - 254:5, 257:20, 258:6, 258:7,
258:22, 264:21, 265:25, 267:10, 268:6,
268:22, 269:19, 283:9, 289:19, 290:5,
293:12, 301:24, 305:16, 305:25,
306:15, 308:15, 309:5, 312:5, 339:9,
441:18, 444:21, 452:23, 453:15
dated [2] - 293:22, 444:19
dates [3] - 437:9, 437:13, 438:21
daughter [1] - 388:22
days [21] - 248:20, 249:19, 333:13,
333:14, 338:17, 338:19, 354:14, 357:1,
373:8, 373:11, 373:13, 374:1, 418:7,

418:16, 422:24, 436:4, 436:10, 438:22,
452:24, 453:14
DC [1] - 219:19
deal [7] - 229:3, 430:16, 431:13,
438:15, 438:16, 444:11, 446:9
dealers [2] - 394:10, 437:25
deals [4] - 248:11, 439:13, 439:14,
439:15
DEBORAH [1] - 219:24
debriefed [1] - 445:19
December [23] - 283:10, 302:8,
303:10, 305:10, 306:1, 306:2, 306:14,
306:16, 307:9, 308:15, 390:24, 438:18,
438:20, 439:2, 439:3, 441:15, 441:19,
441:20, 443:24, 451:23, 458:11, 462:8,
462:14
decent [1] - 239:18
decide [5] - 236:18, 334:16, 397:9,
422:6, 447:16
decided [5] - 242:6, 249:1, 421:8,
427:16, 428:5
decides [1] - 397:21
deciding [1] - 222:10
decision [2] - 365:20, 397:21
defend [1] - 416:4
Defendant [2] - 219:7, 219:22
defendant [41] - 222:23, 224:23,
225:4, 225:10, 227:6, 227:8, 232:4,
232:20, 233:4, 233:10, 233:13, 234:3,
234:7, 235:6, 235:9, 242:6, 242:9,
243:9, 243:11, 243:16, 243:23, 244:1,
244:4, 244:5, 244:7, 244:9, 244:10,
244:14, 244:17, 244:22, 245:2, 245:4,
245:22, 246:4, 246:7, 272:7, 284:12,
285:3, 309:15, 346:9, 346:12
Defendant's [13] - 400:16, 400:25,
401:19, 402:8, 403:3, 403:22, 404:23,
405:7, 406:7, 406:11, 407:5, 407:12,
407:21
defendant's [5] - 225:2, 226:2, 226:24,
234:25, 244:21
defendants' [1] - 245:19
defense [10] - 226:22, 226:23, 228:2,
228:8, 235:8, 235:12, 240:5, 272:4,
312:2, 346:10
definitely [1] - 457:9
Deli [1] - 408:17
deliberate [3] - 236:12, 238:20, 241:5
deliberation [1] - 241:6
deliberations [4] - 233:6, 233:11,
235:19, 237:3
deliver [1] - 351:18
deliveries [2] - 408:17, 408:19
delivery [1] - 351:17
demanded [1] - 443:25
denied [1] - 244:5
Denver [26] - 242:20, 247:14, 248:25,
263:6, 263:12, 263:18, 263:23, 272:1,
276:4, 276:24, 277:10, 289:23, 292:18,
296:4, 300:19, 301:3, 302:12, 304:2,
341:14, 441:2, 441:9, 441:13, 443:2,

443:4, 459:22
depart [1] - 262:10
departed [4] - 258:8, 259:5, 259:19,
261:13
Department [2] - 219:18, 394:5
departs [2] - 261:20, 261:21
departure [2] - 253:15, 258:19
describe [10] - 266:14, 271:9, 276:7,
283:25, 284:4, 342:20, 345:8, 357:2,
366:7, 379:6
described [2] - 311:25, 346:24
describing [3] - 227:20, 231:22, 454:6
desert [1] - 431:8
Desperate [1] - 248:7
desperately [1] - 243:15
despite [2] - 249:14, 249:21
destination [2] - 258:12, 261:25
destroy [28] - 245:2, 246:21, 246:22,
250:13, 319:3, 319:8, 319:10, 322:12,
322:16, 323:1, 323:11, 325:22, 342:6,
365:20, 365:23, 366:4, 366:18, 367:10,
379:16, 379:19, 379:23, 394:13,
416:13, 449:10, 456:2, 456:8, 459:15,
459:16
destroyed [11] - 242:9, 243:20,
318:22, 342:18, 359:6, 374:2, 394:18,
416:7, 416:10, 453:10, 456:11
destroying [12] - 243:14, 246:5,
250:22, 318:21, 319:14, 323:23,
379:14, 395:23, 396:22, 448:21, 451:8,
455:18
destruction [11] - 250:6, 416:7,
416:19, 416:21, 450:2, 450:7, 451:4,
451:20, 452:4, 454:2, 455:5
detail [1] - 445:18
detailed [3] - 232:23, 242:21, 310:4
detailing [1] - 309:23
details [2] - 251:6, 269:5
determinations [1] - 266:16
determine [2] - 236:21, 267:21
determined [2] - 264:14
developed [4] - 221:21, 221:25,
227:18, 231:20
development [1] - 222:13
different [15] - 220:15, 266:18, 270:2,
281:18, 283:16, 288:10, 288:11, 312:8,
346:23, 384:19, 400:5, 408:16, 411:4,
429:21, 451:19
differently [1] - 231:7
dip [1] - 284:25
direct [10] - 223:20, 234:24, 235:12,
283:3, 288:22, 288:23, 295:22, 346:20,
411:5, 443:7
DIRECT [9] - 252:14, 257:1, 263:1,
314:12, 325:1, 351:7, 469:3, 469:7,
469:11
directing [3] - 264:1, 288:9, 352:25
directions [1] - 284:7
directly [4] - 234:16, 249:9, 360:22,
414:25
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
disagreement [2] - 239:2, 239:5

disclose [1] - 293:21
discovered [2] - 251:9, 291:23
discuss [13] - 221:24, 235:21, 235:23,
236:10, 236:11, 241:5, 293:17, 345:10,
392:10, 415:8, 450:15, 466:9, 466:15
discussed [9] - 286:11, 326:14,
326:24, 327:13, 328:20, 409:8, 445:8,
447:19, 457:22
discussing [4] - 240:3, 327:20, 371:1,
381:20
discussion [1] - 235:24
discussions [2] - 374:23, 374:24
dismiss [1] - 222:23
dispute [3] - 222:2, 227:13, 228:11
disputing [1] - 222:3
distortion [1] - 228:22
distortive [1] - 228:21
DISTRICT [2] - 219:1, 219:1
District [3] - 219:10, 222:8, 223:1
DNA [4] - 376:20, 376:21, 377:1, 377:4
document [12] - 236:21, 236:25,
238:11, 254:24, 255:1, 255:5, 395:10,
421:13, 431:25, 435:10, 445:2, 445:3
documentation [1] - 308:17
documenting [1] - 307:17
documents [6] - 254:6, 254:21,
283:15, 430:1, 446:5, 446:6
Doha [5] - 258:16, 258:19, 259:12,
259:25, 262:3
doled [1] - 276:5
dollars [5] - 334:21, 335:5, 419:9,
419:10, 419:21
done [18] - 246:19, 248:13, 251:16,
339:18, 376:17, 376:21, 435:18,
439:17, 440:14, 440:15, 440:21,
451:12, 452:7, 452:11, 454:10, 454:11,
455:17, 458:19
donot [1] - 267:17
door [11] - 221:9, 221:22, 226:22,
230:9, 231:9, 231:10, 232:1, 277:3,
367:16, 367:18
doors [1] - 223:17
dots [1] - 258:23
double [1] - 359:24
doubt [1] - 233:7
down [24] - 239:7, 241:12, 249:4,
250:10, 255:2, 293:19, 298:7, 298:9,
310:24, 317:5, 319:25, 354:24, 364:15,
367:18, 368:2, 369:5, 369:6, 369:13,
369:19, 370:3, 381:22, 452:11, 459:20
downstairs [2] - 368:8, 376:25
downtown [1] - 341:14
dragged [1] - 249:22
drain [2] - 250:10, 452:11
drains [1] - 246:1
drank [1] - 424:5
draw [1] - 432:1
drawing [2] - 440:10, 441:5
drawn [1] - 233:21
dream [1] - 248:23
drill [1] - 466:13

drink [5] - 424:4, 433:25, 434:25,
435:24, 436:3
drinking [6] - 334:11, 334:14, 434:23,
435:8, 435:23, 435:25
drive [12] - 249:8, 353:13, 353:15,
356:17, 356:20, 372:13, 372:16,
408:19, 409:6, 427:21, 433:15
driver [5] - 248:19, 351:21, 351:22,
352:12
driving [1] - 418:13
drop [4] - 290:5, 290:6, 290:10, 417:17
dropped [1] - 422:2
drove [7] - 242:20, 275:5, 353:14,
353:16, 371:13, 371:17, 433:14
drug [7] - 247:25, 394:10, 420:15,
437:25, 462:24, 463:2, 463:7
drugs [24] - 333:6, 333:8, 334:7,
334:11, 334:12, 338:8, 338:10, 338:12,
338:18, 338:20, 378:25, 396:22,
398:15, 398:16, 419:15, 420:5, 421:22,
422:9, 423:11, 463:8, 463:22, 463:24,
465:18
duly [3] - 252:7, 262:20, 314:2
dump [2] - 371:15, 371:20
dumped [4] - 368:14, 372:19, 373:5,
374:1
dumpster [12] - 371:15, 371:20, 372:3,
372:8, 372:19, 373:5, 373:7, 373:9,
373:10, 373:15, 374:2
during [31] - 234:14, 236:13, 237:3,
237:17, 237:20, 239:7, 239:16, 240:1,
240:12, 240:14, 241:7, 245:5, 258:12,
286:15, 291:17, 297:23, 309:23,
319:19, 321:11, 321:25, 322:4, 363:2,
381:19, 383:15, 401:8, 418:13, 423:8,
435:7, 458:16, 462:13, 465:4
E
e-mail [42] - 264:6, 264:7, 264:8,
265:1, 265:5, 265:10, 265:11, 265:21,
265:23, 266:5, 266:17, 266:23, 267:6,
267:8, 268:2, 268:18, 268:19, 268:22,
268:23, 281:10, 281:13, 281:15,
281:18, 281:24, 282:3, 283:12, 283:14,
283:20, 286:7, 286:21, 287:1, 287:10,
287:11, 287:14, 288:5, 288:10, 288:11,
288:16, 289:7, 292:11, 292:13
e-mailing [1] - 241:16
e-mails [9] - 269:13, 269:16, 269:22,
288:11, 291:14, 291:17, 291:20,
291:21, 291:23
earliest [1] - 261:5
early [1] - 275:4
easel [1] - 317:4
easier [1] - 224:20
easily [1] - 285:18
East [5] - 219:14, 219:22, 220:2,
259:16, 266:13
east [1] - 272:1
EASTERN [1] - 219:1

easy [1] - 249:14
eat [1] - 353:18
educated [1] - 248:17
education [3] - 330:12, 332:20, 353:8
EDWARD [1] - 219:16
effect [2] - 228:21, 238:21
effort [4] - 229:12, 235:2, 345:21,
346:1
efforts [4] - 234:22, 251:10, 251:13,
284:24
eight [2] - 297:10, 342:1
either [9] - 231:13, 239:3, 239:11,
240:23, 241:15, 306:11, 308:2, 460:22,
461:15
elders [1] - 411:2
elements [1] - 235:17
elevator [1] - 240:17
elicit [5] - 287:24, 306:1, 345:18,
359:13, 383:10
eliminate [2] - 311:7, 437:25
Elmo [1] - 264:24
elsewhere [1] - 243:5
email [1] - 267:1
emails [1] - 269:7
emanates [1] - 220:15
emanating [1] - 240:22
emphasize [1] - 235:7
employed [1] - 351:13
employer [4] - 220:10, 220:13, 232:10
employer's [1] - 220:17
encouragement [2] - 228:23, 229:10
end [6] - 251:21, 288:22, 340:2,
340:18, 350:10, 383:22
endeavor [1] - 285:4
endeavored [1] - 285:3
enforcement [5] - 254:14, 276:14,
276:17, 276:22, 467:4
Enforcement [6] - 252:19, 252:21,
252:23, 252:25, 253:4, 253:19
enforcement's [1] - 276:23
engineer [1] - 422:2
England [3] - 261:22, 262:6, 262:7
English [5] - 248:17, 249:16, 314:18,
314:23, 432:6
entered [3] - 259:12, 297:7, 300:1
entering [1] - 254:13
entire [2] - 297:18, 309:4
entitled [1] - 468:3
entwined [1] - 226:2
equipment [1] - 243:20
Eric [1] - 262:23
especially [1] - 346:21
essentially [3] - 225:11, 346:19, 359:2
establish [1] - 381:10
estimate [1] - 275:21
evaluating [1] - 235:18
evening [5] - 239:20, 271:20, 277:15,
293:7, 466:15
events [1] - 351:11
eventually [6] - 243:5, 275:6, 292:10,
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
418:8, 420:24, 421:8

everywhere [1] - 431:19
evidence [97] - 221:5, 221:9, 224:8,
229:17, 230:23, 230:24, 231:6, 234:11,
234:12, 234:14, 234:18, 234:20, 235:8,
235:18, 236:3, 236:22, 237:1, 238:4,
238:5, 238:21, 241:5, 241:6, 242:9,
242:10, 243:14, 243:22, 245:3, 245:6,
245:17, 246:5, 246:6, 246:22, 246:23,
250:1, 250:11, 250:15, 250:22, 251:23,
256:8, 256:16, 257:11, 260:4, 284:2,
284:19, 284:23, 289:16, 290:14,
291:12, 292:12, 299:4, 313:7, 316:16,
317:14, 318:5, 318:10, 322:13, 322:19,
323:4, 325:25, 326:7, 326:17, 327:2,
327:16, 327:17, 329:5, 329:13, 346:20,
360:6, 373:5, 373:7, 374:2, 394:25,
395:15, 416:7, 416:8, 416:10, 416:19,
416:21, 445:3, 448:21, 449:10, 450:2,
450:7, 451:4, 451:8, 451:9, 451:20,
452:4, 452:16, 454:1, 455:5, 456:2,
456:11, 459:4, 459:11, 467:24, 468:2
Evidence [1] - 236:22
evidentiary [3] - 238:5, 381:11, 388:23
ex [2] - 293:19, 293:24
exact [3] - 264:14, 301:24, 342:16
exactly [3] - 239:1, 300:8, 317:7
EXAMINATION [17] - 252:14, 257:1,
263:1, 295:18, 308:24, 314:12, 325:1,
351:7, 399:1, 464:13, 469:3, 469:7,
469:8, 469:9, 469:11, 469:12, 469:13
examination [7] - 221:6, 231:4,
234:24, 234:25, 235:12, 465:1, 465:13
examined [3] - 252:7, 262:20, 314:2
examining [1] - 299:13
example [1] - 245:18
exchange [1] - 250:20
exclusion [1] - 230:23
excuse [1] - 247:19
excused [5] - 262:16, 310:24, 310:25,
466:5, 466:7
executive [1] - 270:18
exhibit [9] - 224:16, 236:20, 238:3,
238:9, 260:4, 260:15, 299:5, 299:6,
440:13
Exhibit [80] - 224:17, 255:5, 255:15,
255:19, 255:24, 255:25, 256:8, 256:19,
257:11, 260:9, 260:10, 261:18, 265:20,
268:1, 268:11, 268:18, 272:13, 273:2,
273:10, 273:12, 273:16, 273:20, 274:2,
274:8, 274:12, 274:17, 282:2, 282:14,
282:21, 283:11, 283:18, 283:22, 284:5,
286:3, 286:5, 287:6, 287:13, 288:4,
289:3, 290:13, 290:20, 291:13, 302:5,
313:9, 316:16, 317:15, 318:7, 318:9,
322:13, 323:4, 326:1, 326:6, 326:18,
327:1, 327:11, 327:18, 327:24, 329:7,
329:12, 354:25, 395:4, 395:15, 400:16,
401:1, 401:19, 402:8, 403:3, 403:22,
404:23, 405:7, 406:7, 406:11, 407:6,
407:12, 407:21, 435:14, 440:7, 441:4,
445:2, 454:5
EXHIBITS [1] - 469:14
exhibits [5] - 224:19, 234:14, 256:3,
313:9, 468:2
Exhibits [9] - 257:8, 264:23, 282:17,
311:20, 311:23, 312:3, 312:6, 313:6,
322:19
exhumed [1] - 230:1
existing [1] - 254:13
exists [1] - 303:5
exiting [1] - 253:16
expense [2] - 453:5, 453:6
expenses [2] - 418:22, 464:16
expensive [1] - 249:2
explain [17] - 224:12, 253:6, 253:13,
253:17, 254:2, 257:17, 261:5, 330:9,
333:5, 334:10, 345:22, 352:14, 370:16,
386:3, 396:17, 424:18, 448:3
explained [5] - 226:22, 253:22, 265:1,
424:17, 425:5
explosive [3] - 282:5, 282:11, 284:8
explosives [3] - 284:14, 285:14,
393:23
exposed [1] - 237:12
expressed [1] - 228:6
expressing [1] - 249:18
extended [1] - 330:25
extra [1] - 418:24
eye [1] - 285:2
F
face [2] - 396:1, 449:1
facility [1] - 286:15
facing [1] - 448:17
fact [34] - 222:4, 226:24, 227:3, 227:4,
227:9, 227:13, 228:15, 233:21, 240:19,
244:6, 244:15, 269:17, 277:2, 283:12,
285:23, 346:10, 346:11, 355:18, 361:2,
367:2, 376:13, 424:10, 426:1, 426:11,
426:16, 430:9, 434:21, 434:23, 435:8,
435:23, 451:19, 452:16, 460:24, 461:25
factor [1] - 222:9
factors [1] - 346:13
facts [8] - 229:18, 231:13, 270:15,
311:6, 311:8, 311:14, 311:16, 311:17
factually [1] - 227:10
fail [1] - 240:20
failed [1] - 369:11
failure [1] - 239:4
fair [18] - 228:5, 235:2, 238:15, 268:11,
293:1, 315:5, 347:6, 380:3, 393:12,
400:2, 407:17, 420:21, 427:9, 436:7,
437:3, 438:17, 447:13, 455:14
fairness [1] - 228:12
fall [2] - 417:14, 422:20
false [4] - 228:24, 231:16, 389:2, 389:9
familiar [1] - 253:9
families [3] - 246:11, 341:17, 428:4
family [45] - 242:17, 243:17, 244:1,
244:14, 244:15, 246:12, 247:1, 247:4,

247:6, 247:8, 247:9, 247:10, 247:11,
249:1, 250:8, 250:18, 251:19, 251:20,
267:4, 267:15, 277:17, 280:3, 327:6,
330:25, 341:2, 341:4, 350:22, 352:22,
352:23, 363:8, 373:14, 374:23, 377:15,
377:21, 387:11, 399:10, 399:23, 400:5,
401:6, 419:1, 419:17, 419:24, 426:24,
427:23, 456:10
family.ifu [1] - 267:3
fan [1] - 368:15
far [4] - 234:3, 341:14, 372:12, 467:3
fast [4] - 240:3, 240:13, 242:5, 248:24
fast-forward [1] - 248:24
fasting [1] - 353:18
father [26] - 227:25, 243:10, 246:12,
251:14, 271:23, 292:5, 296:14, 296:20,
297:24, 328:14, 328:15, 333:21, 335:9,
338:21, 338:25, 339:6, 352:15, 352:16,
352:21, 384:5, 385:18, 385:19, 399:13,
410:10
father's [2] - 331:6, 336:17
father/son [3] - 221:21, 227:18, 231:20
fault [1] - 227:11
FBI [104] - 224:24, 231:22, 241:25,
242:7, 242:8, 242:9, 242:24, 243:1,
243:4, 243:15, 243:21, 243:22, 243:24,
244:5, 244:10, 244:19, 245:8, 245:23,
245:24, 246:15, 246:23, 247:2, 249:4,
249:9, 249:10, 249:11, 250:5, 253:7,
263:8, 263:10, 263:20, 269:25, 274:21,
277:10, 286:14, 296:4, 300:18, 301:3,
302:11, 304:1, 307:21, 309:11, 309:16,
310:1, 346:17, 354:4, 354:7, 355:3,
355:8, 355:13, 357:8, 357:20, 365:5,
366:19, 373:24, 374:4, 374:6, 374:11,
374:15, 374:16, 374:25, 375:7, 375:15,
376:13, 376:17, 376:23, 377:12,
377:13, 411:18, 411:20, 411:21, 412:3,
428:18, 430:15, 430:19, 430:23, 431:3,
431:6, 431:7, 431:21, 432:12, 432:13,
432:14, 432:16, 432:18, 432:20,
432:22, 433:19, 433:22, 434:6, 434:10,
434:24, 435:3, 435:7, 437:3, 441:9,
443:2, 443:18, 443:25, 444:2, 450:13,
458:17, 459:22
FBI's [3] - 242:7, 242:12, 374:8
FD [1] - 307:19
fear [1] - 251:19
fearful [1] - 310:18
February [3] - 462:4, 462:7, 462:13
fed [1] - 221:19
federal [5] - 241:16, 390:20, 390:23,
391:12, 392:7
feeding [1] - 299:6
feet [1] - 372:9
few [9] - 232:18, 241:1, 272:2, 272:10,
417:7, 417:10, 417:12, 436:10, 467:7
field [6] - 263:6, 270:18, 277:10, 296:4,
301:3, 441:9
fifteen [1] - 295:4
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
10
fifth [1] - 307:8

fighting [1] - 346:3
fights [2] - 333:7, 418:11
files [1] - 264:18
final [3] - 258:12, 261:25, 311:11
finalized [1] - 254:9
finally [1] - 270:4
financial [2] - 220:11, 220:14
findings [3] - 270:12, 270:16, 350:20
fine [2] - 232:9, 268:15
finely [1] - 389:12
finger [2] - 251:2, 432:1
fingerprints [4] - 374:19, 374:22,
376:20, 377:1
finish [2] - 288:23, 289:2
finished [7] - 309:14, 372:25, 373:3,
383:20, 417:12, 443:24, 464:3
First [1] - 320:13
first [70] - 221:1, 223:2, 223:5, 226:14,
229:5, 230:12, 232:2, 233:24, 243:18,
243:24, 247:12, 249:23, 252:1, 252:11,
257:22, 258:5, 258:14, 264:4, 264:24,
266:18, 277:8, 277:21, 279:8, 280:7,
280:8, 291:23, 296:2, 300:1, 311:3,
314:18, 320:14, 336:18, 343:13, 351:9,
356:12, 357:13, 357:14, 362:11,
362:20, 363:12, 364:6, 365:16, 368:17,
369:1, 370:25, 372:15, 375:1, 376:3,
376:25, 390:22, 390:25, 391:5, 416:6,
418:3, 420:12, 421:10, 422:2, 422:16,
422:19, 440:18, 449:25, 450:6, 450:17,
450:22, 451:3, 454:5, 459:21
firsthand [1] - 245:11
fit [1] - 233:17
five [12] - 288:25, 319:25, 335:24,
364:15, 367:18, 375:13, 385:2, 422:24,
423:5, 423:7, 431:20, 439:4
five-bedroom [1] - 431:20
five-year [1] - 423:7
flashed [1] - 243:7
Flavor [1] - 267:17
flew [2] - 356:13, 384:20
flight [17] - 254:4, 254:9, 259:4, 259:5,
259:7, 259:12, 259:20, 259:21, 259:25,
262:1, 262:5, 262:9, 289:17, 289:19,
289:21
Flight [4] - 258:9, 259:21, 261:14,
262:4
floor [1] - 367:21
flour [2] - 268:16, 269:6
flown [1] - 460:12
Flushing [5] - 290:10, 332:23, 334:5,
339:12, 417:7
flushing [1] - 330:5
fly [6] - 253:25, 261:11, 353:13,
433:13, 433:15, 460:10
flying [1] - 259:7
focus [1] - 440:11
focusing [1] - 382:12
folder [2] - 281:25, 283:5
folks [2] - 231:5, 239:18
followed [2] - 394:1, 443:9

following [5] - 233:23, 263:22, 367:8,
412:10, 414:5
follows [3] - 252:8, 262:21, 314:3
food [7] - 351:19, 353:18, 371:21,
404:20, 442:2, 461:1, 462:16
foot [3] - 343:7, 343:9
foraging [1] - 313:20
force [2] - 253:6, 253:7
forced [1] - 247:6
forever [1] - 334:1
forget [4] - 236:8, 236:9, 238:12, 360:8
forgot [2] - 440:3, 442:7
form [2] - 235:24, 307:18
Form [1] - 307:19
formal [2] - 229:23, 350:24
formula [1] - 419:5
formulations [6] - 282:5, 282:11,
283:21, 284:7, 286:17, 288:8
Fort [2] - 307:22, 307:24
forth [4] - 237:8, 291:14, 357:10, 393:3
forty [1] - 372:16
forward [1] - 248:24
foundation [6] - 359:21, 361:2,
361:11, 379:10, 381:15, 389:8
four [15] - 243:1, 247:3, 247:24,
281:20, 315:10, 321:8, 354:7, 355:3,
373:8, 373:11, 373:13, 411:20, 420:12,
422:23, 440:7
fourteen [1] - 467:13
fourth [2] - 306:13, 307:8
framework [1] - 284:9
frankly [2] - 346:23, 389:5
frantically [1] - 242:1
fraud [11] - 222:8, 222:13, 222:16,
222:25, 226:1, 226:3, 226:7, 228:7,
229:3, 229:25, 230:10
free [10] - 311:16, 338:22, 420:14,
423:16, 427:22, 433:12, 433:18,
433:22, 433:25, 434:2
frequently [1] - 239:2
Friday [3] - 220:10, 289:18, 289:20
Fridays [1] - 330:15
friend [1] - 241:14
friendly [1] - 249:13
friends [13] - 267:4, 267:15, 269:5,
297:3, 338:21, 338:24, 339:21, 386:10,
420:13, 423:16, 426:18, 426:19
fright [1] - 362:20
front [14] - 231:1, 238:19, 244:16,
305:18, 317:3, 330:10, 330:13, 330:16,
401:20, 403:7, 405:1, 435:1, 456:25,
461:9
full [7] - 235:2, 270:4, 270:8, 270:13,
270:14, 270:23, 343:2
Fulsome [3] - 296:12, 299:20, 299:23
fun [3] - 427:12, 427:21, 434:4
furnished [2] - 462:5, 462:7
furtherance [1] - 389:1
future [1] - 427:23
11
G
game [1] - 347:6
garage [27] - 319:21, 319:24, 320:4,
320:16, 321:14, 356:22, 356:25, 357:3,
357:4, 357:8, 362:5, 362:17, 363:2,
363:10, 363:14, 363:19, 363:21, 364:8,
364:22, 365:12, 367:20, 368:17,
368:18, 380:7, 380:13, 380:21, 459:8
garbage [1] - 459:7
gate [1] - 254:10
gather [1] - 398:24
gathered [1] - 242:14
gears [1] - 351:13
gee [2] - 267:17, 269:6
generally [4] - 255:7, 284:1, 284:4,
285:12
Geneva [4] - 258:10, 258:11, 259:7,
259:22
gentleman [1] - 409:16
gentlemen [2] - 345:13, 415:8
gift [1] - 430:23
girl [1] - 402:5
girls [1] - 420:15
given [9] - 223:3, 232:2, 286:19, 299:6,
308:11, 346:11, 346:21, 424:14, 460:16
glasses [1] - 272:6
GLEESON [1] - 219:10
Gleeson [1] - 236:10
gmail [2] - 281:25, 282:3
goggles [8] - 250:6, 368:19, 368:25,
369:5, 369:18, 370:11, 371:4
going,,i [1] - 266:25
Goldsmith [5] - 233:25, 234:9, 241:1,
246:8, 311:12
GOLDSMITH [7] - 219:16, 220:19,
241:24, 311:13, 311:19, 312:8, 312:10
government [85] - 221:3, 221:8, 222:7,
223:3, 224:8, 224:12, 228:16, 228:23,
229:22, 231:9, 233:1, 233:13, 234:1,
234:2, 234:21, 235:5, 241:18, 248:1,
249:22, 252:2, 260:10, 283:22, 284:23,
287:16, 290:23, 293:20, 299:3, 311:22,
312:2, 313:8, 340:7, 346:15, 350:13,
357:20, 365:2, 370:22, 372:5, 373:20,
383:17, 392:2, 392:23, 393:2, 393:4,
393:9, 396:11, 397:13, 397:16, 397:24,
398:13, 408:15, 415:22, 415:24, 416:1,
416:6, 425:3, 426:20, 427:17, 427:18,
428:8, 428:22, 428:24, 429:4, 429:14,
430:5, 431:13, 443:7, 445:16, 446:12,
446:19, 446:24, 447:8, 449:3, 450:1,
453:5, 453:6, 455:24, 460:19, 461:25,
462:5, 462:10, 464:16, 464:18, 465:20,
465:22
Government [54] - 219:13, 224:16,
253:11, 253:14, 257:10, 260:9, 261:18,
264:23, 265:20, 268:1, 268:11, 268:18,
272:13, 273:1, 273:10, 273:16, 273:20,
274:2, 274:8, 274:12, 274:17, 282:2,
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
282:13, 282:21, 283:11, 283:18, 284:5,

286:2, 286:4, 287:5, 287:13, 288:3,
289:3, 290:12, 290:20, 291:13, 302:5,
311:20, 311:23, 312:3, 312:6, 313:6,
326:1, 326:6, 326:18, 327:1, 327:11,
327:18, 327:24, 329:7, 329:12, 354:24,
445:2, 454:4
government's [8] - 233:2, 243:13,
243:18, 245:1, 245:11, 284:11, 416:18,
467:12
Government's [19] - 255:5, 255:15,
255:19, 255:24, 255:25, 256:7, 256:19,
313:9, 316:16, 317:15, 318:7, 318:9,
322:13, 322:19, 323:4, 395:4, 395:15,
435:14, 440:7
grade [1] - 417:12
graduates [1] - 270:3
Graham [2] - 296:12, 299:24
grand [44] - 244:16, 244:20, 245:18,
318:21, 323:24, 325:3, 325:4, 325:12,
326:24, 327:14, 327:20, 328:5, 328:20,
328:22, 359:8, 377:8, 377:9, 377:16,
384:4, 384:16, 384:24, 385:5, 385:10,
387:10, 387:19, 387:25, 388:16,
388:18, 389:2, 389:11, 389:12, 389:17,
390:2, 390:4, 390:13, 395:23, 424:6,
424:7, 424:14, 425:2, 425:15, 425:23,
426:6, 456:9
grandmother [4] - 336:1, 338:21,
338:25, 339:6
granted [1] - 350:15
gray [4] - 272:6, 342:22, 343:11, 344:5
great [1] - 312:9
greater [3] - 224:15, 238:3, 238:22
greazer [4] - 342:11, 342:12, 344:7,
344:8
green [1] - 429:18
greeting [1] - 364:15
grist [1] - 241:6
ground [1] - 223:20
group [1] - 330:13
Group [1] - 253:5
Guardia [1] - 289:22
guess [4] - 226:4, 251:12, 300:11,
380:17
guidance [1] - 226:4
guilty [34] - 232:25, 233:1, 233:8,
245:13, 246:7, 250:21, 250:22, 250:23,
251:8, 251:23, 284:18, 302:21, 304:9,
304:10, 306:20, 315:19, 315:22,
315:23, 318:18, 323:23, 394:22,
394:23, 395:19, 395:21, 396:1, 439:25,
444:23, 444:24, 444:25, 452:24,
453:14, 461:7, 461:16, 463:2
gun [4] - 386:17, 386:23, 387:4,
426:21
guy [7] - 251:16, 318:15, 330:24,
337:20, 337:22, 339:21, 340:7
guys [6] - 316:9, 336:10, 354:7,
439:19, 439:22, 444:9
H
Hadis [11] - 336:10, 336:11, 336:15,
336:18, 336:22, 336:25, 338:1, 338:4,
339:16, 340:5, 340:13
hafiz [1] - 267:5
half [7] - 255:2, 329:24, 339:25, 343:8,
369:19, 370:20, 372:15
handcuffs [1] - 460:12
handled [1] - 386:16
hands [1] - 343:4
handwriting [3] - 374:12, 374:15,
375:2
handwritten [2] - 282:4, 284:6
hang [1] - 423:21
hanging [1] - 426:5
happy [2] - 226:19, 450:23
hard [4] - 240:3, 240:13, 248:18,
439:22
hard-and-fast [2] - 240:3, 240:13
harder [1] - 243:14
HARRIS [74] - 219:22, 219:24, 246:10,
247:22, 257:13, 322:2, 326:8, 327:3,
329:14, 343:10, 343:21, 345:5, 345:9,
346:19, 350:8, 350:12, 356:4, 358:10,
359:15, 359:18, 359:20, 359:23, 360:4,
360:12, 360:21, 361:1, 361:4, 361:9,
366:23, 378:19, 379:9, 379:25, 380:18,
381:3, 381:9, 381:14, 382:15, 382:19,
384:8, 387:22, 388:6, 388:12, 389:5,
390:8, 395:16, 398:24, 399:2, 400:25,
402:7, 402:12, 403:21, 405:7, 406:10,
406:20, 407:11, 411:1, 414:3, 415:6,
415:18, 415:20, 415:21, 425:1, 428:7,
428:11, 432:3, 435:13, 440:4, 443:1,
444:17, 454:8, 464:6, 464:9, 466:4,
468:5
Harris [8] - 234:1, 234:8, 246:9,
251:25, 398:23, 415:5, 464:10, 467:21
hashish [5] - 338:11, 338:14, 422:14,
422:15, 423:13
head [1] - 443:22
headquarters [3] - 270:11, 270:20,
270:21
hear [30] - 223:20, 231:10, 233:24,
233:25, 234:8, 234:9, 234:13, 236:19,
237:13, 238:1, 238:8, 245:8, 245:10,
245:20, 245:22, 245:24, 246:16, 247:1,
247:11, 248:14, 249:12, 250:8, 250:11,
251:5, 251:6, 267:14, 315:1, 321:3,
363:4, 414:16
heard [14] - 226:8, 236:2, 247:25,
350:9, 359:2, 362:9, 375:25, 414:10,
428:24, 429:2, 430:5, 430:14, 465:1,
468:4
hearing [3] - 237:14, 359:16
hearsay [3] - 359:10, 359:24, 388:12
heater [3] - 342:13, 344:8, 344:10
Heathrow [1] - 261:22
heavy [1] - 249:16
help [17] - 250:13, 316:5, 316:11,

337:7, 337:15, 338:1, 340:10, 366:4,
401:16, 433:10, 435:10, 447:13,
447:15, 447:16, 449:3, 455:19, 456:2
helped [17] - 247:24, 248:2, 315:24,
316:20, 317:9, 323:11, 325:18, 325:22,
337:5, 339:15, 340:13, 399:21, 434:19,
455:7, 455:16, 455:18, 460:3
helping [5] - 250:23, 299:16, 342:6,
448:23, 456:9
hence [1] - 240:12
hereby [1] - 239:24
hero [1] - 378:25
herself [1] - 220:15
hi [2] - 239:21, 240:16
hidden [2] - 297:16, 298:23
hide [9] - 245:2, 247:10, 250:13,
343:19, 344:15, 345:21, 346:1, 427:3
hiding [1] - 246:4
high [5] - 417:4, 417:9, 417:10, 417:22
High [2] - 264:2, 417:7
Hill [4] - 266:13, 271:23, 341:7, 341:9
himself [13] - 234:7, 235:9, 249:17,
296:23, 320:15, 358:6, 359:3, 362:7,
362:19, 363:3, 380:7, 432:2, 435:16
hint [1] - 224:5
hold [8] - 224:3, 228:4, 233:20,
236:14, 246:3, 291:8, 311:4, 317:18
home [22] - 343:17, 343:18, 344:18,
363:9, 366:10, 368:7, 370:21, 371:18,
372:8, 372:14, 372:20, 372:22, 375:5,
375:6, 401:14, 404:11, 418:20, 421:3,
421:5, 431:5, 464:19
homes [1] - 247:6
Honor [73] - 220:19, 222:6, 224:15,
225:13, 225:22, 226:3, 226:16, 226:17,
226:21, 227:16, 229:7, 230:2, 241:24,
247:21, 252:12, 254:20, 256:7, 256:15,
272:11, 279:4, 282:8, 285:7, 287:7,
290:23, 293:15, 295:6, 295:9, 295:11,
299:2, 303:13, 308:23, 310:23, 311:2,
311:13, 311:19, 313:13, 314:11,
316:23, 317:13, 317:20, 317:22,
329:13, 343:10, 345:5, 350:7, 350:12,
351:5, 383:13, 388:12, 395:1, 395:14,
398:18, 401:3, 401:19, 402:8, 403:21,
404:24, 406:10, 406:12, 406:20,
407:11, 407:13, 415:20, 428:7, 428:15,
440:4, 440:9, 464:12, 467:3, 467:14,
467:19, 467:22, 468:5
Honor's [1] - 226:13
HONORABLE [1] - 219:10
hook [1] - 340:9
hope [3] - 448:6, 448:8, 448:10
hopes [1] - 245:14
hoping [7] - 360:10, 430:12, 431:12,
431:16, 431:21, 433:10, 448:11
hotel [18] - 385:4, 387:14, 391:21,
392:1, 392:3, 392:5, 392:7, 392:22,
439:17, 441:17, 441:18, 453:3, 458:14,
459:22, 460:6, 460:24, 461:18, 464:16
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
12
hour [8] - 243:1, 247:3, 319:24,

370:20, 372:15, 372:17, 373:10
hours [14] - 248:20, 271:20, 275:4,
276:5, 277:15, 297:11, 297:12, 297:13,
300:21, 300:22, 301:6, 344:4, 374:8
house [89] - 246:1, 247:16, 250:7,
277:3, 319:16, 319:22, 321:19, 323:21,
325:6, 325:8, 325:11, 326:11, 326:14,
330:21, 330:22, 330:23, 336:17, 340:4,
342:5, 342:8, 344:2, 344:5, 345:21,
346:1, 351:12, 354:17, 359:5, 363:8,
364:2, 364:5, 364:11, 365:7, 366:11,
367:15, 368:17, 370:17, 371:10,
372:10, 372:12, 373:25, 374:7, 375:1,
377:24, 378:6, 378:10, 380:4, 380:10,
380:17, 380:22, 380:24, 381:2, 381:13,
381:19, 382:2, 382:4, 382:6, 382:8,
382:24, 391:8, 391:16, 391:18, 391:22,
401:6, 401:16, 405:14, 406:3, 408:16,
411:13, 416:14, 416:22, 421:11,
421:12, 421:14, 421:17, 427:24, 429:7,
429:11, 430:22, 431:18, 431:19,
431:20, 432:15, 443:15, 451:11, 457:5,
459:19
household [3] - 347:6, 419:6, 462:20
houses [1] - 366:20
hundred [1] - 275:21
hung [1] - 425:23
hurt [1] - 425:11
husband [4] - 274:20, 323:17, 352:8,
416:14
Hussain [1] - 342:3
hydrogen [1] - 285:21
I
idea [16] - 363:13, 367:1, 371:3,
380:14, 391:11, 412:2, 430:13, 434:6,
434:8, 436:12, 436:13, 439:12, 441:16,
453:25, 459:1, 459:13
identification [12] - 255:4, 255:14,
255:18, 255:25, 256:19, 260:9, 290:16,
317:15, 318:6, 326:18, 395:3, 435:12
identified [2] - 255:12, 274:1
identify [3] - 266:20, 272:5, 273:25
identifying [2] - 242:25, 272:7
identities [1] - 386:9
ignore [2] - 239:20, 240:17
Ilene [7] - 220:16, 220:22, 232:7,
238:13, 240:21, 313:22, 466:11
image [1] - 286:17
imaged [1] - 286:17
imagine [1] - 249:2
immediately [1] - 269:17
immigration [12] - 221:14, 221:16,
222:8, 226:1, 226:3, 226:6, 228:7,
229:3, 229:25, 230:10, 254:14, 264:18
Immigration [5] - 252:18, 252:20,
252:23, 252:24, 253:4
important [12] - 234:10, 234:18, 238:4,
238:25, 240:9, 240:25, 241:3, 241:17,
241:18, 397:6
impression [2] - 227:9, 372:6
in. [1] - 364:17
inappropriateness [1] - 240:7
inbound [4] - 253:15, 256:1, 257:21,
261:3
incarcerated [1] - 351:9
include [1] - 237:9
incorrect [2] - 227:10, 346:14
incur [1] - 229:9
incurred [1] - 228:9
indeed [1] - 233:6
INDEX [1] - 469:1
indicate [5] - 257:23, 261:16, 283:14,
312:5, 312:12
indicated [6] - 258:18, 261:18, 262:6,
266:19, 280:8, 398:5
indicating [2] - 258:5, 343:7
indicating) [1] - 343:6
indicted [1] - 222:7
individual [7] - 255:9, 259:6, 264:8,
266:21, 272:14, 276:21, 309:7
individuals [3] - 254:18, 258:25,
259:20
industries [1] - 254:8
inevitable [1] - 239:16
inference [1] - 233:21
informal [1] - 229:24
informant [2] - 430:19, 437:22
informants [1] - 243:4
information [36] - 241:7, 241:9,
241:20, 249:7, 249:20, 253:17, 253:22,
253:23, 253:24, 254:2, 254:5, 254:7,
254:10, 254:12, 255:11, 257:7, 257:17,
259:17, 264:12, 266:4, 266:7, 270:3,
271:11, 271:15, 276:20, 293:21, 364:4,
392:14, 394:5, 396:25, 429:3, 444:6,
464:21, 464:23, 466:14
informed [2] - 222:7, 234:6
ingredients [1] - 245:25
initial [3] - 270:24, 271:10, 277:14
innocence [1] - 233:9
innocent [3] - 233:5, 233:14, 233:15
innocently [1] - 236:6
innocuous [1] - 240:22
input [1] - 312:2
inquire [3] - 252:12, 314:9, 351:5
INS [2] - 222:18, 252:22
inserting [1] - 229:16
inside [11] - 324:3, 357:5, 357:11,
367:17, 368:24, 369:4, 369:24, 370:24,
412:7, 421:5
insisting [1] - 244:11
inspection [2] - 236:23, 237:3
installment [3] - 229:4, 229:5
instinct [1] - 226:15
instruction [2] - 285:6, 288:8
instructions [7] - 232:18, 232:23,
235:17, 235:18, 236:4, 242:22, 288:16
insufficiently [1] - 350:22
intend [10] - 221:11, 223:10, 223:17,
225:23, 226:4, 228:17, 228:19, 231:2,

231:23, 313:14
intense [2] - 247:2, 247:8
intent [2] - 228:23, 228:25
intention [1] - 246:25
interaction [1] - 298:24
interest [2] - 236:16, 276:23
interested [1] - 411:21
interlinked [1] - 230:11
International [15] - 258:8, 258:10,
258:11, 258:17, 258:19, 259:8, 259:12,
259:13, 259:22, 259:25, 260:1, 261:13,
261:14, 261:21
international [1] - 263:16
INTERPRETER [1] - 353:9
interpreter [2] - 314:20, 315:2
interpreters [2] - 220:23, 220:24
interrupted [1] - 223:23
interrupting [1] - 231:17
interview [38] - 224:24, 277:4, 277:9,
277:11, 277:14, 277:15, 280:10, 296:2,
296:17, 297:14, 297:18, 297:23,
300:18, 300:21, 300:23, 301:5, 301:7,
302:11, 303:1, 303:3, 303:5, 303:9,
304:1, 305:4, 305:7, 305:9, 306:4,
306:10, 306:13, 307:5, 307:21, 307:23,
308:2, 308:7, 309:4, 310:19, 429:24,
435:7
interviewed [10] - 277:5, 295:22,
300:15, 300:25, 301:22, 302:8, 302:14,
304:11, 307:8, 415:23
interviewing [1] - 247:3
interviews [12] - 243:23, 281:3, 281:8,
295:25, 301:9, 301:17, 307:17, 308:14,
309:19, 309:22, 309:24, 310:16
intricately [1] - 226:2
introduce [7] - 221:5, 223:10, 224:8,
232:1, 279:5, 299:4, 405:7
introduced [3] - 438:25, 440:1, 455:21
introduction [1] - 406:10
investigating [1] - 354:4
investigation [56] - 225:17, 229:1,
229:12, 243:13, 243:18, 244:4, 245:1,
245:9, 245:12, 246:21, 251:7, 264:2,
264:4, 264:19, 264:21, 265:12, 267:19,
269:8, 269:14, 269:24, 270:4, 270:5,
270:6, 270:8, 270:13, 270:22, 270:23,
270:24, 271:1, 271:5, 271:6, 271:7,
271:10, 271:16, 271:19, 274:22, 275:1,
275:20, 275:24, 275:25, 276:7, 276:10,
276:13, 284:13, 285:5, 292:18, 292:20,
293:12, 301:12, 301:15, 346:17,
355:13, 365:5, 433:12, 447:11
investigations [6] - 253:8, 270:1,
270:14, 275:15, 275:17, 292:7
investigative [3] - 292:19, 292:24,
293:1
invite [2] - 237:13, 313:20
involved [9] - 241:10, 264:2, 264:4,
274:21, 275:3, 308:10, 312:12, 450:1,
450:7
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
13
involving [1] - 389:6

IP [5] - 264:13, 264:15, 266:4, 271:11,
286:25
irrelevant [1] - 291:2
Islamic [4] - 330:11, 330:12, 353:8,
353:11
issue [10] - 220:9, 223:2, 223:3, 223:6,
225:23, 228:11, 231:12, 264:16,
350:10, 389:7
items [2] - 370:12, 462:20
itself [2] - 225:7, 239:15
J
jacket [1] - 272:6
jail [20] - 248:9, 250:24, 251:3, 398:6,
398:8, 398:10, 439:11, 439:24, 448:13,
448:18, 448:24, 460:22, 461:15,
461:22, 463:12, 463:22, 465:9, 465:14,
465:16
Jaji [10] - 247:12, 247:13, 247:22,
250:18, 274:20, 312:24, 458:10, 467:5,
467:9, 467:15
Jaji's [1] - 250:7
January [11] - 222:19, 258:16, 258:23,
259:10, 395:20, 444:19, 444:24, 445:1,
452:21, 453:1, 453:17
Jason [2] - 430:10
Jason's [1] - 408:17
Jergenson [11] - 283:5, 283:19, 284:4,
285:13, 288:3, 290:18, 291:7, 291:12,
292:19, 309:1, 309:18
Jersey [1] - 258:9
JFK [6] - 258:17, 258:20, 259:13,
261:14, 261:21, 262:3
JG [1] - 219:3
jihad [1] - 346:23
Jihadi [6] - 344:21, 344:23, 345:7,
345:22, 386:5
job [33] - 236:16, 236:17, 236:21,
237:5, 263:25, 351:14, 351:16, 351:20,
352:3, 352:9, 352:11, 372:25, 373:3,
383:17, 392:24, 408:24, 422:1, 423:17,
427:16, 427:18, 427:24, 428:21,
429:13, 430:12, 432:17, 433:2, 433:15,
433:16, 446:19, 451:12, 465:5, 465:7
jobs [4] - 247:6, 351:13, 427:19, 430:5
JOHN [2] - 219:10, 350:16
John [1] - 350:16
Joint [1] - 253:4
joint [1] - 253:6
judge [20] - 245:4, 396:12, 397:3,
397:9, 397:10, 397:23, 446:17, 446:21,
446:23, 447:1, 447:4, 447:16, 447:18,
448:6, 448:8, 448:10, 461:9, 463:13,
463:16, 463:18
Judge [6] - 219:10, 236:9, 265:16,
285:9, 400:14, 464:9
juga [1] - 443:9
July [4] - 219:7, 293:22, 463:13, 468:7
jumped [1] - 422:7

June [4] - 261:20, 450:2, 451:6, 451:14
junior [4] - 417:4, 417:9, 417:22
Jurgenson [2] - 262:23, 265:11
juror [5] - 220:15, 232:7, 232:9,
238:23, 238:24
juror's [1] - 238:22
JURORS [1] - 232:16
jurors [4] - 236:6, 239:1, 239:2, 241:16
jury [90] - 219:11, 221:23, 224:4,
224:13, 225:4, 226:10, 227:4, 227:8,
228:17, 229:11, 229:17, 229:19, 231:1,
232:11, 233:5, 233:20, 238:22, 239:12,
240:1, 241:20, 244:16, 244:20, 245:18,
252:16, 254:2, 257:17, 261:5, 265:18,
283:4, 284:1, 295:14, 299:4, 307:14,
315:21, 316:24, 318:21, 319:19,
323:24, 324:2, 324:3, 325:3, 325:4,
325:12, 326:24, 327:14, 327:20, 328:5,
328:20, 328:22, 333:5, 340:1, 347:4,
352:14, 357:2, 359:8, 366:8, 377:8,
377:9, 377:16, 384:4, 384:16, 384:24,
385:5, 385:10, 387:10, 387:20, 388:1,
388:16, 388:18, 389:2, 389:11, 389:12,
389:17, 390:2, 390:5, 390:13, 395:23,
415:15, 424:7, 424:15, 425:2, 425:15,
425:23, 426:6, 428:12, 444:16, 449:9,
451:10, 456:9
Jury [7] - 232:13, 293:18, 345:14,
351:3, 415:9, 415:16, 466:17
juryroom [1] - 466:11
Justice [1] - 219:18
justice [10] - 232:22, 232:23, 233:18,
245:5, 246:25, 248:13, 249:23, 284:13,
284:24, 285:4
JUSTINE [1] - 219:24
K
Kabul [1] - 244:12
Karachi [1] - 261:15
keep [8] - 230:1, 237:15, 237:18,
250:19, 328:4, 393:2, 439:19, 451:1
keeping [1] - 325:6
kept [7] - 228:6, 231:15, 253:10,
414:23, 414:24, 421:1, 438:17
Khadija [6] - 327:10, 341:21, 341:22,
342:3, 406:18, 407:6
Khan [1] - 291:14
khow [1] - 267:17
kid's [1] - 370:19
kids [3] - 341:24, 400:1, 409:6
kill [9] - 320:14, 357:12, 358:9, 359:3,
362:7, 362:18, 364:7, 414:15
killing [3] - 358:6, 363:3, 380:7
kind [19] - 230:18, 240:2, 241:9,
263:19, 320:12, 333:8, 334:12, 338:10,
344:13, 344:20, 351:24, 365:10, 367:6,
368:20, 378:25, 430:12, 430:21, 446:16
kinds [3] - 270:8, 270:12, 457:22
kitchen [2] - 343:12, 344:11
knife [3] - 369:15, 369:16, 370:9

knock [1] - 367:16
knocking [1] - 277:3
knowing [1] - 244:24
knowledge [6] - 259:15, 297:20,
301:11, 346:11, 365:4, 368:22
known [3] - 276:14, 346:25, 426:16
knows [2] - 248:3, 436:16
Kubra [5] - 325:9, 325:17, 378:8,
378:9, 383:8
L
labels [1] - 456:16
ladies [2] - 345:13, 415:8
Lahore [1] - 386:2
Lai [1] - 352:17
Lai's [1] - 352:20
laid [1] - 389:8
Lal [4] - 331:2, 333:21, 336:1, 336:17
Lal's [1] - 331:5
landed [1] - 259:13
language [6] - 264:9, 269:9, 314:18,
410:6, 429:25, 431:2
laptop [3] - 242:21, 286:16, 299:6
large [1] - 330:13
last [21] - 241:1, 277:14, 279:5,
285:23, 300:21, 301:5, 304:15, 304:17,
305:14, 308:7, 308:9, 308:15, 395:6,
398:7, 398:8, 435:14, 444:15, 453:22,
463:15, 463:16
lasted [1] - 277:15
lastly [1] - 240:25
late [3] - 229:6, 271:20, 365:9
laundry [3] - 369:7, 369:25
law [10] - 236:4, 247:14, 248:25,
251:19, 276:14, 276:17, 276:21,
276:23, 449:5, 467:4
LAW [1] - 314:4
law-enforcement [1] - 467:4
lawfully [1] - 311:22
lawyer [18] - 236:15, 249:9, 296:25,
299:22, 308:11, 309:14, 408:15,
415:22, 416:1, 424:14, 424:17, 426:20,
444:7, 445:8, 447:20, 448:15, 460:16,
463:25
lawyers [11] - 234:16, 235:10, 235:12,
235:15, 236:13, 236:14, 240:5, 296:9,
296:17, 425:3, 458:3
lawyers' [2] - 234:19, 236:3
lay [6] - 359:21, 361:2, 361:11, 379:10,
381:4, 381:15
leader [2] - 243:25, 249:24
leading [1] - 390:16
learn [7] - 292:10, 292:12, 292:17,
336:24, 337:22, 373:9, 455:13
learned [13] - 243:6, 243:11, 246:14,
249:4, 354:4, 355:11, 359:4, 374:3,
409:22, 411:18, 411:21, 455:10, 455:12
learning [1] - 362:18
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
14
least [5] - 284:16, 371:21, 439:4,

440:21, 449:20
leave [9] - 227:4, 310:15, 339:7,
345:12, 353:1, 353:13, 418:18, 418:22,
466:9
leaves [5] - 293:18, 345:14, 345:16,
415:9, 466:17
leaving [4] - 261:14, 289:21, 289:22,
384:1
lecture [2] - 335:9, 335:11
led [2] - 231:19, 265:12
left [16] - 227:9, 246:2, 258:21, 258:23,
286:12, 332:24, 333:5, 334:6, 340:6,
340:7, 344:2, 354:3, 354:13, 367:15,
371:13, 467:2
leg [1] - 258:14
legal [6] - 227:21, 228:16, 229:15,
229:16, 229:24, 231:24
legally [4] - 227:17, 228:17, 229:20,
229:21
less [3] - 238:25, 249:2, 455:20
lesser [1] - 245:14
letter [16] - 279:2, 350:17, 396:12,
396:13, 396:15, 397:2, 397:4, 397:6,
397:10, 397:13, 397:16, 431:1, 446:20,
447:7, 447:10, 447:16
level [2] - 270:1, 359:25
Liberty [1] - 258:8
library [5] - 429:6, 429:20, 429:21,
429:22, 430:3
lie [22] - 229:10, 231:24, 242:8, 244:7,
244:15, 244:18, 245:2, 246:23, 246:24,
248:8, 250:17, 323:24, 388:18, 389:7,
394:20, 425:7, 426:9, 437:1, 438:3,
452:7, 452:14, 456:4
lied [31] - 242:7, 243:23, 243:24,
244:7, 318:21, 324:3, 328:7, 328:18,
393:20, 394:1, 394:8, 419:25, 420:3,
424:7, 426:13, 426:20, 434:14, 435:24,
437:3, 437:10, 437:13, 437:14, 437:15,
437:17, 440:20, 443:8, 443:11, 443:14,
455:3, 455:24
lies [12] - 244:21, 249:23, 250:2,
250:3, 251:1, 251:20, 424:6, 425:21,
426:23, 437:19, 443:17
life [6] - 247:7, 248:21, 249:2, 249:3,
266:25, 433:22
likely [4] - 262:1, 262:2, 266:16, 308:9
limiting [1] - 285:6
line [1] - 266:2
lines [1] - 288:9
link [1] - 250:16
linked [1] - 230:21
liquid [4] - 343:19, 343:24, 344:6,
344:12
list [4] - 223:3, 433:15, 433:16, 467:10
listed [3] - 257:19, 259:17, 313:9
listen [9] - 250:1, 251:17, 267:16,
311:15, 358:3, 381:24, 382:21, 455:25
listening [6] - 305:1, 306:8, 357:8,
357:17, 357:19, 380:15
litigate [2] - 229:20, 231:14

litigation [1] - 228:10
live [20] - 248:23, 315:13, 331:3, 332:8,
332:11, 332:16, 332:20, 332:21,
333:20, 334:2, 335:25, 339:11, 341:6,
341:19, 376:7, 427:25, 428:2, 431:16,
431:18, 433:22
lived [15] - 221:12, 221:19, 247:14,
280:11, 341:10, 342:4, 399:5, 399:10,
399:13, 399:17, 400:6, 405:14, 420:14,
458:11
living [19] - 242:16, 242:18, 244:9,
264:8, 266:20, 271:22, 272:2, 321:1,
343:25, 354:17, 367:18, 368:8, 390:25,
391:6, 401:9, 404:7, 404:9, 407:2,
462:2
LLP [1] - 219:22
locate [1] - 299:16
located [2] - 272:1, 286:16
location [2] - 290:8, 290:10
locker [1] - 297:8
loft [1] - 255:20
look [15] - 240:9, 240:11, 250:1,
254:23, 264:17, 298:2, 304:17, 305:11,
307:11, 313:19, 342:21, 429:22,
437:20, 438:5, 444:15
Look [1] - 320:12
looked [3] - 286:18, 288:7, 342:22
looking [12] - 241:8, 246:15, 249:4,
276:14, 276:17, 310:9, 354:7, 355:4,
411:19, 412:3, 454:5, 466:13
looks [2] - 283:15, 467:4
LORETTA [1] - 219:13
lose [1] - 446:15
lost [2] - 242:9, 247:6
loud [5] - 357:23, 357:24, 358:1,
430:25, 437:12
love [1] - 421:14
loved [2] - 241:14, 454:20
low [1] - 317:5
lowest [1] - 397:14
lunch [1] - 345:10
Luncheon [2] - 347:10, 349:1
lying [11] - 243:13, 246:5, 323:24,
327:13, 328:5, 328:20, 359:8, 389:11,
395:23, 443:19
LYNCH [1] - 219:13
M
ma'am [1] - 399:7
mail [43] - 264:6, 264:7, 264:8, 265:1,
265:5, 265:10, 265:11, 265:21, 265:23,
266:5, 266:17, 266:23, 267:6, 267:8,
268:2, 268:18, 268:19, 268:22, 268:23,
281:10, 281:13, 281:15, 281:18,
281:24, 282:3, 283:12, 283:14, 283:20,
286:7, 286:21, 286:22, 287:1, 287:10,
287:11, 287:14, 288:5, 288:10, 288:11,
288:16, 289:7, 292:11, 292:13
mailed [1] - 267:2

mailing [1] - 241:16
mails [10] - 269:13, 269:16, 269:22,
288:10, 288:11, 291:14, 291:17,
291:20, 291:21, 291:23
maintained [1] - 297:8
maintains [1] - 253:14
man [5] - 242:6, 242:12, 243:24,
245:23, 299:19
management [1] - 270:18
manifest [1] - 254:8
manner [1] - 230:22
manufacture [1] - 284:7
marijuana [7] - 333:9, 333:12, 334:13,
398:17, 417:22, 422:13, 434:2
mark [2] - 257:24, 258:18
marked [47] - 255:4, 255:14, 255:18,
255:24, 256:11, 256:18, 260:21,
264:23, 272:13, 273:1, 273:9, 273:15,
273:24, 274:10, 274:14, 274:19,
282:13, 283:2, 283:18, 286:2, 287:5,
288:2, 289:3, 289:13, 290:12, 290:16,
291:4, 299:10, 317:24, 318:6, 318:13,
326:10, 327:5, 329:16, 395:3, 395:18,
401:5, 401:18, 402:11, 403:2, 403:25,
404:22, 405:11, 406:6, 406:23, 407:16,
454:4
marking [1] - 258:21
marriage [2] - 268:16, 269:10
married [1] - 331:14
Marriott [3] - 385:4, 387:15, 388:20
Marrus [5] - 262:13, 398:22, 450:9,
450:18, 451:14
MARRUS [90] - 219:16, 252:2, 252:12,
252:15, 254:20, 254:25, 255:21, 256:7,
256:15, 257:2, 257:10, 257:15, 260:3,
260:14, 260:17, 262:12, 311:2, 313:13,
314:9, 314:11, 314:13, 315:8, 316:14,
316:23, 317:1, 317:3, 317:7, 317:8,
317:13, 317:20, 318:2, 318:5, 318:9,
325:2, 325:24, 326:6, 326:16, 327:1,
327:17, 329:5, 329:12, 343:7, 345:20,
345:25, 346:3, 346:7, 346:10, 351:5,
351:8, 359:2, 359:11, 359:13, 359:17,
360:8, 360:15, 360:19, 360:24, 362:4,
372:1, 381:16, 381:18, 382:1, 383:13,
383:14, 388:14, 388:21, 388:25, 389:3,
389:11, 389:15, 394:25, 395:14,
398:18, 398:21, 401:3, 402:9, 403:23,
405:9, 406:12, 406:21, 407:13, 412:5,
412:11, 413:3, 413:6, 449:22, 464:12,
464:14, 465:25, 466:2
marshals [1] - 295:10
Marten [8] - 252:16, 253:9, 255:1,
256:12, 256:18, 257:17, 260:6, 261:23
Martin [2] - 252:3, 252:10
Marzia [1] - 331:17
masjid [1] - 330:1
mask [12] - 250:6, 250:11, 368:19,
369:1, 369:2, 369:9, 369:11, 369:12,
369:13, 369:14, 370:11, 371:4
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
15
masks [1] - 368:25

materials [1] - 285:24
matter [4] - 228:12, 240:22, 253:10,
350:22
matters [1] - 220:21
mean [24] - 221:15, 223:12, 234:18,
290:14, 306:1, 322:11, 330:9, 330:12,
334:10, 338:12, 339:6, 357:16, 361:1,
365:15, 366:14, 372:16, 379:20, 384:7,
392:12, 396:17, 396:20, 396:23, 426:2,
450:3
meaning [3] - 224:13, 225:14, 276:13
means [5] - 233:16, 236:23, 238:9,
262:16, 432:15
meant [2] - 345:22, 364:25
measure [2] - 368:19, 369:7
measures [1] - 359:18
measuring [4] - 368:25, 369:6, 369:22,
369:23
mechanic [3] - 356:17, 356:19, 358:4
media [7] - 243:6, 247:4, 276:24,
277:2, 350:17, 444:7, 467:23
medical [2] - 338:11, 338:12
medicine [8] - 365:17, 366:11, 366:14,
367:2, 367:6, 449:17, 452:3
Medunjanin [4] - 255:17, 257:6,
259:18, 275:18
meet [8] - 387:10, 392:7, 393:4, 430:7,
430:9, 445:21, 455:8, 457:14
meeting [34] - 326:11, 326:23, 327:13,
327:20, 328:19, 359:8, 382:2, 382:4,
382:6, 382:8, 383:15, 383:22, 390:22,
390:25, 391:5, 391:12, 393:2, 430:11,
436:12, 438:17, 441:2, 441:8, 441:12,
441:15, 450:9, 451:22, 452:2, 452:10,
453:9, 454:14, 454:17, 455:1, 458:16,
459:21
meetings [9] - 390:19, 436:8, 436:13,
436:15, 436:17, 438:24, 439:5, 447:1,
456:21
MELISSA [1] - 219:16
member [3] - 240:1, 244:23, 247:4
members [15] - 243:7, 243:17, 244:14,
244:15, 247:9, 247:10, 247:12, 250:8,
250:18, 251:20, 319:19, 327:6, 387:10,
467:22
members.take [1] - 267:4
men [6] - 242:14, 242:18, 243:2, 243:3,
244:3, 317:10
mens [1] - 228:25
mention [3] - 237:16, 240:15, 330:21
mentioned [11] - 245:21, 317:9,
326:13, 328:5, 337:14, 341:22, 365:4,
368:16, 370:1, 373:6, 391:25
mentioning [1] - 358:2
merely [1] - 221:24
merged [1] - 252:22
message [3] - 265:10, 283:7, 283:9
messages [6] - 264:6, 264:9, 265:1,
265:5, 265:11, 282:1
messenger [1] - 321:20
met [22] - 242:15, 393:8, 393:12,

393:14, 426:6, 426:11, 434:14, 435:2,
436:4, 436:6, 436:10, 437:13, 438:22,
442:1, 449:20, 450:15, 452:1, 452:21,
453:23, 457:11, 457:17, 457:19
Mets [1] - 240:10
Mexican [1] - 249:8
Middle [1] - 259:16
middle [5] - 223:23, 259:3, 405:3,
410:7, 417:16
midnight [1] - 418:20
midst [1] - 244:18
might [16] - 224:20, 237:9, 248:4,
251:11, 431:10, 431:13, 432:19,
435:10, 443:16, 448:17, 450:20,
453:11, 457:25, 458:3, 462:23, 467:8
Mike [5] - 428:5, 428:18, 430:6, 430:9,
430:10
military [1] - 429:14
milk [1] - 419:5
mill [1] - 241:6
mind [3] - 229:21, 236:1, 250:19
mine [3] - 227:12, 329:20, 371:5
minimum [2] - 237:18, 449:3
minor [1] - 225:22
minute [2] - 364:20, 464:6
Minutes [1] - 220:4
minutes [17] - 268:12, 288:21, 293:16,
295:4, 319:25, 320:19, 341:15, 364:16,
364:20, 367:18, 367:20, 371:13,
372:16, 372:17, 375:13, 415:10
minutes' [1] - 372:13
mirror [1] - 254:1
miscommunications [1] - 250:3
misimpression [1] - 227:4
misplaced [1] - 467:11
Miss [8] - 234:8, 285:8, 287:20, 415:5,
450:9, 450:17, 451:14, 464:10
mission [2] - 414:11, 414:13
misunderstandings [1] - 250:3
misunderstood [1] - 381:16
mix [1] - 238:5
mixing [1] - 267:16
mixture [1] - 282:11
mixtures [3] - 269:6, 269:16, 282:5
model [1] - 409:4
modern [1] - 253:20
Mohammad [9] - 271:7, 271:8, 272:4,
274:11, 292:5, 331:2, 333:21, 336:1,
352:17
Mohammad's [1] - 336:17
Mohammed [39] - 227:24, 228:2,
232:20, 242:6, 246:13, 248:14, 266:15,
273:11, 291:21, 291:24, 292:2, 292:5,
292:10, 292:12, 293:9, 296:14, 296:16,
296:20, 297:24, 298:24, 299:14,
299:19, 299:25, 301:9, 309:15, 313:1,
352:6, 373:24, 384:20, 384:22, 384:23,
402:1, 408:12, 409:2, 409:13, 410:4,
411:8, 449:10, 458:3
MOHAMMED [1] - 219:6
moment [6] - 299:3, 398:18, 398:24,

440:4, 456:4, 465:25
money [31] - 334:25, 335:20, 338:20,
338:23, 338:24, 339:2, 339:3, 339:5,
401:14, 402:19, 418:22, 419:6, 419:12,
419:15, 419:22, 419:25, 420:2, 420:7,
420:10, 420:16, 420:17, 420:22, 428:2,
428:3, 428:25, 429:3, 431:21, 432:12,
461:22, 461:25, 462:22
monitoring [1] - 307:3
monologue [1] - 221:6
month [4] - 339:25, 450:4
months [13] - 247:15, 247:18, 292:18,
333:19, 333:23, 335:17, 417:7, 417:11,
417:12, 421:12, 422:23, 422:24
morning [29] - 220:9, 221:4, 223:8,
224:2, 225:24, 232:14, 232:16, 239:20,
241:25, 246:10, 252:4, 252:16, 263:3,
263:4, 275:4, 288:20, 295:20, 295:21,
340:8, 342:9, 343:15, 343:16, 350:11,
365:16, 367:8, 367:10, 375:2, 418:18,
466:15
mosque [7] - 243:25, 330:2, 330:4,
330:6, 330:8, 330:11, 330:14
most [12] - 222:12, 222:17, 231:9,
234:10, 258:3, 333:13, 333:14, 338:17,
338:19, 396:4, 397:17, 418:7
mostly [1] - 423:21
motel [2] - 391:25, 392:21
mother [15] - 271:23, 273:19, 332:13,
333:21, 333:22, 338:21, 338:25, 376:9,
399:15, 399:22, 416:15, 416:16, 416:17
motive [4] - 228:22, 229:1, 229:2,
229:16
move [14] - 238:12, 249:1, 286:4,
329:12, 340:23, 341:4, 376:3, 391:15,
402:7, 403:21, 405:7, 406:10, 406:20,
407:11
moved [9] - 222:23, 341:19, 391:8,
391:17, 391:22, 391:23, 391:25, 404:4,
405:25
movie [1] - 378:13
moving [2] - 268:22, 317:19
MR [20] - 220:19, 241:24, 311:13,
311:19, 312:8, 312:10, 322:2, 351:1,
379:9, 380:18, 381:3, 381:9, 382:15,
382:19, 387:22, 388:12, 389:5, 428:11,
440:4, 468:5
MS [261] - 220:20, 221:1, 221:16,
221:18, 222:3, 222:14, 222:16, 222:19,
222:22, 222:25, 223:2, 223:7, 223:10,
223:13, 223:22, 223:25, 224:6, 224:15,
224:20, 225:13, 225:19, 225:22, 226:9,
226:10, 226:16, 226:21, 227:16,
227:24, 228:14, 229:7, 230:2, 230:6,
230:9, 230:14, 230:16, 230:20, 231:3,
231:17, 232:6, 246:10, 247:21, 247:22,
252:2, 252:12, 252:15, 254:20, 254:25,
255:21, 256:7, 256:9, 256:15, 257:2,
257:10, 257:13, 257:15, 260:3, 260:14,
260:17, 260:19, 262:12, 262:15, 263:2,
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
16
265:14, 265:16, 265:18, 272:9, 272:11,

272:18, 272:20, 272:22, 273:6, 273:7,
273:12, 273:13, 273:20, 273:21,
277:22, 277:25, 279:4, 279:8, 279:12,
282:6, 282:8, 282:21, 282:24, 283:17,
283:22, 283:23, 285:7, 285:9, 285:11,
287:16, 287:19, 287:22, 288:21,
288:25, 289:9, 289:11, 290:16, 290:23,
291:1, 291:5, 291:9, 293:14, 295:4,
295:6, 295:9, 295:11, 295:16, 295:19,
299:2, 299:8, 301:20, 302:3, 303:12,
308:20, 308:23, 308:25, 310:7, 310:20,
310:23, 311:2, 313:13, 314:9, 314:11,
314:13, 315:8, 316:14, 316:23, 317:1,
317:3, 317:7, 317:8, 317:13, 317:20,
317:22, 318:2, 318:5, 318:9, 318:11,
325:2, 325:24, 326:6, 326:8, 326:16,
327:1, 327:3, 327:17, 329:5, 329:12,
329:14, 343:7, 343:10, 343:21, 345:5,
345:9, 345:20, 345:25, 346:3, 346:7,
346:10, 346:19, 350:7, 350:8, 350:12,
350:13, 351:5, 351:8, 356:4, 358:10,
359:2, 359:11, 359:13, 359:15, 359:17,
359:18, 359:20, 359:23, 360:4, 360:8,
360:12, 360:15, 360:19, 360:21,
360:24, 361:1, 361:4, 361:9, 362:4,
366:23, 372:1, 378:19, 379:25, 381:14,
381:16, 381:18, 382:1, 383:13, 383:14,
384:8, 388:6, 388:14, 388:21, 388:25,
389:3, 389:11, 389:15, 390:8, 394:25,
395:14, 395:16, 398:18, 398:21,
398:24, 399:2, 400:25, 401:3, 402:7,
402:9, 402:12, 403:21, 403:23, 405:7,
405:9, 406:10, 406:12, 406:20, 406:21,
407:11, 407:13, 411:1, 412:5, 412:11,
413:3, 413:6, 414:3, 415:6, 415:18,
415:20, 415:21, 425:1, 428:7, 432:3,
435:13, 443:1, 444:17, 449:22, 454:8,
464:6, 464:9, 464:12, 464:14, 465:25,
466:2, 466:4, 467:3, 467:7, 467:13,
467:17, 467:19, 467:22
muddy [1] - 344:13
MUhammad [1] - 266:25
Mujahideen [1] - 346:4
multiple [1] - 442:1
Murwari [18] - 274:5, 325:10, 327:10,
327:12, 342:3, 343:18, 354:19, 363:25,
372:21, 376:16, 377:19, 378:9, 384:19,
387:18, 388:2, 388:8, 388:21, 389:17
Murwayi [3] - 400:12, 402:5, 403:11
music [4] - 357:9, 357:23, 358:1, 358:3
Muslim [1] - 330:11
Muslims [2] - 412:10, 414:5
must [1] - 233:5
N
Naim [1] - 220:24
najib [1] - 269:2
Najib [11] - 340:5, 362:13, 362:14,
363:22, 378:17, 388:1, 389:21, 390:14,
393:10, 395:22, 396:21

Najiba [5] - 325:22, 331:2, 333:22,
335:10, 336:1
Najibullah [170] - 224:7, 224:9, 224:11,
224:23, 225:9, 242:13, 242:16, 242:19,
243:2, 243:10, 243:11, 243:20, 244:2,
244:9, 245:9, 246:1, 246:17, 247:14,
247:16, 248:1, 248:2, 250:23, 255:10,
257:5, 257:19, 258:7, 266:21, 266:22,
267:25, 270:25, 271:5, 271:6, 271:15,
271:18, 271:22, 272:3, 272:15, 272:24,
273:18, 274:6, 274:15, 275:5, 275:8,
275:12, 275:16, 276:9, 276:17, 277:5,
277:12, 277:14, 277:17, 280:2, 281:3,
281:14, 281:15, 286:11, 292:1, 293:4,
293:10, 295:22, 296:6, 296:17, 297:10,
297:20, 297:23, 299:16, 299:22,
299:25, 300:15, 302:15, 312:14,
315:23, 316:5, 316:13, 316:19, 317:9,
318:25, 319:4, 325:18, 327:7, 327:10,
331:12, 336:7, 336:15, 336:18, 336:25,
338:1, 338:4, 339:16, 340:11, 340:14,
341:20, 342:3, 342:7, 343:19, 344:17,
345:20, 351:20, 351:22, 353:1, 353:10,
353:25, 354:3, 354:4, 354:13, 355:4,
355:5, 355:12, 355:18, 356:6, 357:6,
357:12, 358:5, 358:8, 359:3, 359:5,
360:8, 360:12, 360:17, 360:22, 360:25,
362:7, 362:11, 362:14, 362:18, 362:25,
363:1, 363:3, 364:1, 364:5, 378:18,
380:7, 380:17, 385:21, 388:18, 393:17,
393:22, 400:8, 400:21, 401:22, 402:23,
403:17, 404:16, 405:5, 405:21, 406:4,
408:24, 411:19, 411:21, 412:3, 414:11,
425:24, 426:3, 426:16, 426:25, 427:6,
434:16, 434:19, 438:25, 440:1, 440:25,
448:23, 455:7, 455:10, 455:20, 455:21,
458:24, 460:3
Najibullah's [15] - 242:17, 242:25,
243:19, 244:24, 245:24, 246:13, 251:8,
274:11, 274:20, 286:7, 296:20, 342:6,
347:5, 386:10, 459:8
najibzazi@yahoo.com [2] - 289:5,
289:15
Najim [1] - 355:16
name [23] - 248:16, 252:9, 252:10,
252:11, 254:5, 262:22, 266:21, 314:4,
314:6, 318:8, 330:21, 331:16, 362:12,
409:18, 409:22, 410:1, 410:7, 410:10,
410:11, 411:2, 411:3, 450:12
named [3] - 242:13, 243:24, 292:1
names [5] - 296:12, 341:23, 362:12,
386:9, 411:4
Naqib [70] - 247:12, 247:13, 247:17,
247:22, 248:5, 250:7, 250:18, 250:21,
274:20, 312:20, 312:24, 319:22,
319:23, 320:3, 321:13, 321:17, 321:19,
323:15, 325:10, 325:17, 325:22,
329:20, 340:6, 341:16, 352:8, 352:9,
357:12, 358:8, 359:3, 359:5, 362:6,
362:21, 362:23, 363:9, 363:16, 363:17,
363:18, 364:21, 365:8, 367:17, 368:7,
368:12, 371:2, 374:6, 375:9, 377:19,

379:20, 380:20, 384:20, 392:13,
414:10, 414:22, 414:23, 414:25, 415:2,
416:24, 417:1, 439:20, 458:10, 458:21,
458:22, 467:5, 467:9, 467:15
Naqib's [16] - 247:16, 326:14, 359:5,
363:21, 364:2, 364:5, 367:15, 372:12,
380:4, 380:17, 388:22, 416:18, 416:22,
443:15, 451:11, 457:5
Nasir [1] - 220:24
National [1] - 263:15
national [1] - 275:1
nature [4] - 264:18, 269:11, 271:12,
346:17
nearby [2] - 304:23, 307:1
necessary [2] - 237:19, 456:7
Nedunjanin [1] - 292:16
need [24] - 223:7, 228:11, 233:14,
239:9, 266:25, 267:3, 267:16, 269:17,
270:6, 270:9, 270:12, 284:21, 301:15,
311:7, 315:2, 420:16, 420:17, 427:23,
429:15, 429:16, 430:4, 450:20
needed [9] - 242:4, 243:15, 298:5,
408:19, 420:7, 428:3, 433:4, 433:8,
467:25
Neener [6] - 428:5, 428:18, 430:9,
465:2, 465:4, 465:7
neighborhood [1] - 420:14
nephew [4] - 244:8, 247:23, 249:24,
250:9
net [1] - 450:17
never [21] - 233:2, 236:14, 237:2,
243:22, 244:13, 329:1, 373:10, 373:20,
386:22, 393:20, 399:24, 426:6, 426:13,
429:10, 429:18, 430:25, 455:23, 459:19
nevertheless [1] - 249:21
NEW [1] - 219:1
New [63] - 219:5, 219:15, 219:23,
220:2, 220:14, 242:2, 242:20, 246:17,
246:19, 247:15, 248:19, 253:3, 258:9,
258:17, 259:13, 262:3, 269:21, 274:25,
275:3, 275:6, 275:13, 275:15, 275:22,
275:23, 276:21, 276:25, 286:12,
289:22, 293:10, 308:8, 308:11, 336:14,
339:17, 340:23, 346:13, 346:25,
354:23, 355:19, 355:24, 356:3, 356:7,
356:13, 360:13, 377:10, 392:18,
392:20, 405:12, 405:16, 424:12,
433:14, 439:14, 441:24, 451:22,
451:24, 453:1, 460:10, 460:16, 460:24,
463:10
Newark [4] - 258:8, 258:9, 259:6,
260:1
news [5] - 378:14, 378:16, 378:18,
379:1, 379:3
Newsday [1] - 350:16
newspaper [2] - 241:11, 241:12
next [33] - 237:21, 243:23, 256:22,
259:2, 262:18, 278:3, 279:14, 280:13,
295:5, 303:15, 305:9, 311:1, 313:13,
324:4, 344:7, 347:8, 353:21, 358:13,
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
17
361:12, 367:9, 371:23, 378:4, 400:19,

400:21, 401:22, 403:11, 410:12,
412:13, 413:9, 424:19, 441:17, 442:9,
466:19
nice [2] - 232:14, 466:14
nickname [1] - 410:10
night [7] - 247:5, 343:15, 376:13,
466:16, 467:18, 467:19, 468:6
nine [4] - 263:11, 283:15, 283:16,
342:1
nineties [1] - 229:6
Nissan [1] - 408:21
njbzaz [2] - 266:12, 291:15
njbzaz@yahoo.com [6] - 265:22,
265:24, 266:22, 267:9, 268:3, 290:19
nobody [4] - 340:20, 358:3, 431:6,
436:16
nobody's [1] - 436:13
noises [1] - 357:24
none [5] - 229:23, 248:4, 271:17,
436:13
note [1] - 291:5
noted [1] - 220:8
notes [14] - 238:14, 238:15, 238:18,
239:6, 239:12, 282:4, 284:6, 285:19,
285:23, 286:6, 286:18, 286:22, 466:11
notetaker [1] - 238:23
Nothing [1] - 390:11
nothing [17] - 246:11, 250:5, 325:14,
378:23, 379:8, 383:16, 383:18, 384:4,
384:6, 384:10, 389:20, 448:8, 448:10,
452:12, 456:3, 461:24, 466:4
notice [2] - 346:20, 346:24
notified [1] - 264:5
notion [1] - 223:16
November [7] - 428:8, 437:8, 437:10,
437:11, 449:20, 453:22, 453:23
nowhere [2] - 392:6, 459:18
nuances [1] - 249:18
number [26] - 259:7, 260:16, 267:19,
267:22, 269:15, 298:11, 298:15, 299:5,
307:18, 309:18, 312:13, 312:15,
312:17, 312:19, 312:21, 312:23,
312:25, 313:2, 313:4, 327:18, 327:24,
329:7, 435:12, 449:24, 462:25, 467:4
number.if [1] - 267:1
numbers [2] - 312:12, 439:6
NW [1] - 219:19
NYPD [3] - 242:24, 244:1, 437:23
O
o'clock [5] - 343:14, 345:11, 365:15,
374:19, 375:7
oath [8] - 234:23, 235:11, 425:13,
425:17, 425:19, 449:9, 451:10, 461:11
object [11] - 236:13, 236:14, 236:17,
282:24, 283:23, 287:22, 291:1, 291:6,
314:25, 350:18
objected [3] - 236:18, 238:2, 238:9
objected-to [1] - 238:2

objection [77] - 226:9, 236:15, 236:20,
237:5, 237:7, 238:1, 238:4, 238:8,
256:9, 257:12, 260:15, 260:18, 265:15,
272:8, 272:22, 273:7, 273:13, 273:21,
277:22, 277:24, 279:13, 282:6, 282:9,
282:23, 283:23, 285:6, 287:17, 287:25,
289:10, 289:11, 290:25, 301:20, 310:7,
317:21, 318:11, 322:2, 326:8, 327:3,
329:14, 343:21, 345:5, 345:9, 346:18,
356:4, 358:10, 359:14, 359:22, 360:5,
360:9, 361:10, 366:23, 378:19, 379:9,
379:25, 380:18, 381:3, 381:7, 381:9,
382:15, 382:19, 383:9, 383:12, 384:8,
387:22, 388:6, 388:11, 389:13, 390:8,
395:16, 401:2, 402:9, 403:23, 405:9,
406:21, 412:5, 412:11, 413:2
objections [1] - 360:3
obligation [2] - 234:4, 235:7
obligations [3] - 445:13, 445:16, 455:2
observe [1] - 344:17
obstruct [7] - 229:1, 229:12, 232:22,
243:13, 245:11, 284:24, 285:4
obstructed [2] - 243:17, 284:12
obstructing [4] - 232:22, 244:25,
246:25, 249:23
obstruction [5] - 245:5, 246:20,
346:16, 448:18, 448:20
obtain [1] - 255:11
obtained [3] - 256:4, 286:14, 311:22
obvious [3] - 238:19, 238:25, 284:16
obviously [3] - 270:17, 284:16, 314:21
obviousness [1] - 347:5
occasion [2] - 419:19, 443:2
occasions [1] - 442:2
occurred [3] - 229:3, 441:12, 441:15
OCR [1] - 220:1
October [2] - 243:16, 261:8
OF [2] - 219:1, 219:3
offenses [1] - 232:21
offer [18] - 256:7, 257:10, 265:14,
272:19, 273:12, 273:20, 282:21,
283:22, 284:23, 287:16, 289:9, 290:23,
318:9, 326:6, 327:1, 337:7, 395:14,
432:17
offered [4] - 273:6, 306:22, 360:6,
361:8
offering [2] - 279:11, 287:18
offers [2] - 236:25, 313:8
office [26] - 253:3, 263:6, 264:5, 264:6,
265:2, 270:19, 274:25, 277:10, 296:4,
296:6, 300:18, 301:3, 302:11, 302:14,
304:1, 307:21, 374:4, 374:8, 374:15,
375:7, 376:13, 376:24, 377:12, 377:13,
441:9, 445:4
officer [1] - 463:6
offices [2] - 274:21, 274:24
Official [1] - 220:1
official [3] - 239:8, 239:13, 264:19
often [4] - 333:12, 338:14, 338:16,
393:4
oil [2] - 267:17, 268:17

old [14] - 244:12, 247:24, 315:9, 329:1,
329:3, 332:5, 333:10, 341:25, 375:19,
376:5, 384:2, 385:1, 385:2, 419:1
older [2] - 407:24, 409:4
oldest [3] - 331:10, 331:24, 410:9
once [6] - 254:8, 276:9, 330:22,
381:10, 401:13, 437:6
one [80] - 223:15, 225:22, 225:25,
226:15, 231:15, 234:24, 234:25, 235:4,
235:10, 236:9, 238:19, 238:22, 239:14,
239:17, 240:5, 240:11, 240:23, 241:14,
244:8, 245:21, 247:19, 249:7, 249:24,
251:22, 253:18, 255:21, 257:8, 259:2,
265:5, 267:16, 269:15, 272:21, 272:22,
281:25, 282:15, 286:4, 287:11, 288:13,
292:7, 297:23, 308:9, 311:4, 312:1,
316:9, 316:20, 318:1, 323:1, 323:11,
326:13, 326:16, 329:5, 339:21, 340:3,
342:9, 346:23, 360:5, 372:24, 382:23,
388:19, 398:24, 419:19, 425:2, 426:25,
427:14, 430:22, 431:7, 440:13, 440:24,
441:4, 443:2, 448:5, 452:2, 455:4,
455:7, 455:21, 456:21, 464:6, 467:1
One [1] - 318:5
one-day [1] - 467:1
one-way [1] - 249:7
ones [1] - 285:16
ongoing [1] - 229:13
onward [2] - 262:1, 262:10
Open [5] - 280:1, 295:1, 350:2, 362:1,
414:1
open [14] - 220:8, 221:9, 222:9, 231:2,
231:10, 264:19, 275:15, 301:15,
344:14, 344:16, 368:15, 381:17,
389:14, 415:12
opened [11] - 223:18, 264:21, 270:13,
271:1, 271:5, 271:6, 271:7, 292:8,
301:12, 346:10, 367:16
opening [15] - 220:18, 230:9, 231:8,
232:1, 233:24, 234:2, 234:4, 234:11,
234:17, 234:19, 241:2, 241:22, 270:6,
292:18, 352:4
openings [1] - 234:21
opens [2] - 221:22, 226:22
operate [1] - 310:13
Operation [1] - 264:2
operational [1] - 276:4
opinions [2] - 235:24, 235:25
opium [2] - 338:11, 338:16
opponent [1] - 225:1
opportunity [5] - 234:4, 234:8, 234:19,
235:7, 235:9
opposed [2] - 229:24, 354:1
option [2] - 225:6, 234:25
Orbitz [2] - 289:17, 289:24
order [11] - 239:22, 239:24, 240:15,
240:18, 269:18, 269:24, 270:13,
284:22, 293:20, 293:25, 347:9
original [2] - 259:5, 268:19
originally [1] - 222:22
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
18
Osman [10] - 341:22, 370:15, 370:16,

370:19, 371:6, 371:15, 372:18, 373:6,
406:15, 407:6
Osman's [1] - 371:4
ought [6] - 236:19, 236:22, 238:15,
238:18, 284:16, 307:14
outbound [10] - 255:8, 255:16, 255:17,
255:22, 257:22, 258:2, 258:8, 261:3,
261:7, 261:21
outfit [1] - 403:9
outside [13] - 240:6, 240:8, 277:3,
357:10, 369:24, 400:1, 421:2, 421:4,
421:6, 426:5, 439:19, 439:20
overnight [1] - 466:12
overrule [1] - 238:1
overruled [23] - 225:21, 282:10, 291:3,
291:10, 301:21, 310:8, 322:3, 343:22,
356:5, 360:6, 361:10, 366:24, 380:1,
382:20, 383:9, 383:12, 384:9, 389:13,
390:9, 407:14, 412:6, 413:8, 449:23
Overruled [3] - 378:20, 380:19, 387:23
overseas [16] - 316:1, 331:4, 332:15,
335:10, 340:2, 386:24, 393:10, 418:10,
421:11, 421:13, 422:6, 422:10, 427:23,
429:8, 429:14
overt [1] - 276:13
overwhelming [1] - 247:2
owe [1] - 221:24
own [15] - 220:17, 246:16, 247:13,
248:6, 249:10, 251:3, 319:10, 323:25,
351:22, 354:1, 399:24, 399:25, 400:4,
408:7, 409:9
P
pace [1] - 276:7
page [30] - 237:21, 256:22, 278:3,
279:14, 280:13, 287:20, 294:1, 303:15,
304:15, 305:14, 305:18, 324:4, 347:8,
358:13, 361:12, 371:23, 395:6, 410:12,
412:13, 413:9, 424:19, 435:14, 440:7,
440:13, 441:4, 442:9, 444:15, 448:1,
454:5, 466:19
Pages [1] - 347:9
pages [1] - 283:15
paid [12] - 391:25, 392:22, 402:21,
430:19, 432:18, 460:6, 460:10, 461:1,
462:5, 462:16, 462:18, 462:20
painful [1] - 247:1
pair [1] - 250:6
Pakistan [62] - 242:14, 243:2, 244:9,
248:1, 249:7, 261:15, 262:2, 266:11,
287:4, 314:17, 315:11, 315:12, 331:4,
331:19, 331:23, 332:15, 333:4, 333:16,
333:18, 333:20, 334:16, 334:19,
335:12, 335:20, 335:23, 336:5, 336:7,
336:16, 336:19, 338:7, 339:7, 339:15,
339:24, 385:22, 386:10, 388:1, 399:6,
399:10, 400:23, 401:12, 402:13, 404:1,
405:25, 417:14, 421:9, 422:5, 422:12,
422:13, 422:22, 423:2, 423:8, 423:11,
423:17, 425:24, 426:2, 426:3, 437:17,

439:17, 448:23, 458:19, 458:25
Pakistani [1] - 261:13
papers [2] - 398:24, 459:15
paragraph [7] - 304:17, 312:1, 440:10,
441:5, 447:25, 454:6, 454:7
Paragraph [1] - 311:20
paragraphs [1] - 447:22
parcel [1] - 229:12
pardon [1] - 344:22
parents [10] - 271:23, 328:9, 331:1,
332:13, 336:2, 338:23, 375:20, 384:2,
385:11, 422:11
parse [1] - 389:12
part [14] - 228:18, 229:11, 231:24,
238:5, 263:24, 298:19, 305:13, 313:16,
319:17, 356:21, 359:7, 379:11, 380:12,
446:9
parte [2] - 293:19, 293:24
participants [1] - 239:17
participated [6] - 245:9, 245:12,
301:17, 305:9, 308:14, 308:18
particular [7] - 233:8, 254:18, 255:9,
261:2, 261:3, 263:14, 264:16
parties [1] - 311:8
parts [2] - 344:24, 345:1
party [3] - 225:1, 225:15, 330:23
Pashto [2] - 314:19, 410:6
pass [2] - 313:15, 313:17
passenger [1] - 259:17
Passengers [1] - 253:21
password [1] - 281:21
past [1] - 462:25
patience [3] - 237:17, 237:20, 362:3
pause [1] - 313:23
Pause [14] - 232:8, 232:12, 295:13,
304:18, 398:20, 432:8, 435:19, 440:6,
440:16, 441:6, 444:18, 448:2, 454:9,
464:8
pay [2] - 438:11, 461:22
paying [3] - 438:12, 453:7, 464:16
peculiar [1] - 269:19
pen [2] - 258:4, 268:14
penalties [1] - 396:1
pencil [1] - 258:4
pending [1] - 222:9
Pennsylvania [1] - 219:19
penny [1] - 248:16
people [45] - 239:24, 240:12, 240:23,
241:10, 242:8, 245:12, 246:22, 246:24,
253:16, 266:20, 272:2, 272:3, 275:15,
276:3, 284:18, 292:1, 292:8, 316:20,
319:10, 319:11, 323:1, 323:11, 323:25,
324:1, 325:4, 330:11, 330:14, 336:9,
355:25, 356:6, 360:13, 365:10, 378:10,
380:3, 382:12, 383:10, 410:8, 410:9,
426:11, 429:23, 444:6, 444:7, 464:21,
464:23
per [1] - 418:16
percolation [1] - 222:17
perfectly [1] - 249:16
perhaps [2] - 412:9, 414:4

period [7] - 401:8, 409:8, 409:22,
423:7, 423:8, 427:5, 458:16
permission [5] - 298:5, 316:14,
316:23, 467:23, 467:25
permit [2] - 356:1, 356:8
permitted [2] - 229:22, 231:14
peroxide [1] - 285:21
perplexed [1] - 236:25
person [5] - 266:14, 323:20, 326:23,
382:22, 382:25
personally [1] - 361:6
pertained [1] - 384:13
pertaining [1] - 384:12
Peshawar [1] - 315:12
pharmaceutical [2] - 338:12, 338:18
pharmaceuticals [1] - 423:25
pharmacies [2] - 285:17, 285:25
phone [32] - 267:1, 267:18, 267:19,
267:21, 299:13, 299:14, 310:10,
310:14, 310:17, 312:13, 312:15,
312:17, 312:19, 312:21, 312:23,
312:25, 313:2, 313:4, 355:23, 361:5,
366:19, 375:4, 409:13, 411:13, 427:13,
428:8, 429:5, 429:9, 429:10, 429:12,
429:24, 436:7
phones [3] - 243:4, 310:15, 366:21
photograph [3] - 276:22, 405:1,
406:15
photographs [5] - 272:10, 273:22,
316:24, 325:24, 467:24
photos [1] - 468:1
physical [1] - 236:20
physically [1] - 366:5
pick [8] - 290:6, 290:8, 355:23, 365:17,
370:18, 370:20, 371:6, 427:13
pickup [1] - 290:4
picture [20] - 272:23, 329:5, 329:8,
354:24, 400:17, 400:23, 401:6, 402:13,
402:15, 403:3, 404:1, 405:12, 406:7,
406:24, 407:6, 407:9, 407:17, 407:21,
407:25
pictures [6] - 354:8, 355:3, 355:6,
355:8, 355:12, 411:20
pieces [5] - 369:13, 370:3, 370:10,
371:1, 371:3
pissed [5] - 320:12, 388:2, 388:5,
389:25, 390:13
pizza [1] - 442:4
place [15] - 224:7, 224:22, 242:4,
284:22, 296:2, 300:18, 302:11, 304:1,
306:14, 307:21, 307:23, 431:16,
431:18, 441:2, 441:9
placed [3] - 234:23, 235:11, 240:19
places [1] - 232:25
plan [3] - 250:14, 334:1, 367:9
plane [1] - 334:18
planning [3] - 227:2, 269:12, 363:3
plans [1] - 242:25
plastic [6] - 368:21, 370:13, 370:14,
372:18, 373:6
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
19
play [3] - 231:1, 299:4, 428:8

playing [1] - 467:7
plays [2] - 299:11, 428:16
Plaza [2] - 219:14, 220:2
plea [2] - 398:3, 452:24
plead [7] - 315:18, 318:18, 394:23,
395:19, 395:21, 439:25, 444:24
pleading [1] - 394:22
pled [21] - 232:24, 245:13, 250:21,
250:22, 251:8, 284:18, 302:21, 304:9,
304:10, 306:20, 315:21, 315:23,
323:23, 396:1, 444:23, 444:25, 453:14,
461:7, 461:16, 463:2
plez [1] - 268:15
plot [12] - 242:4, 243:12, 244:25,
245:1, 245:11, 246:19, 246:21, 251:6,
251:7, 251:9, 301:12, 346:25
plus [4] - 395:23, 398:15, 430:5,
465:17
plz [4] - 267:3, 267:17, 269:5, 269:6
PM [1] - 269:1
podium [1] - 234:17
point [30] - 225:17, 231:8, 235:4,
235:6, 235:14, 237:4, 239:9, 274:21,
297:23, 298:11, 309:8, 332:1, 334:15,
339:3, 340:17, 340:23, 344:12, 360:21,
360:23, 364:16, 364:19, 368:9, 372:6,
377:4, 378:14, 379:3, 379:13, 414:7,
435:15, 460:2
pointed [1] - 320:1
pointing [3] - 251:2, 267:12, 269:4
police [1] - 390:12
Police [1] - 394:5
polite [2] - 249:13, 298:21
poorly [1] - 248:16
popular [1] - 330:24
portion [4] - 226:5, 309:1, 309:4,
350:14
pose [2] - 414:2, 432:10
position [3] - 252:24, 263:19, 365:11
possibility [2] - 310:19, 448:15
possible [6] - 229:16, 230:22, 238:13,
238:14, 437:16, 454:25
possibly [2] - 225:19, 454:25
post [2] - 276:4, 276:6
posture [1] - 388:23
pot [1] - 343:25
poured [1] - 452:11
pouring [1] - 250:10
practiced [1] - 458:8
preaches [1] - 405:17
preaching [3] - 353:9, 353:11, 386:4
precious [1] - 244:20
precise [1] - 258:3
precisely [2] - 239:3, 239:10
precluded [1] - 226:4
preclusion [1] - 350:21
prefer [1] - 226:10
preference [1] - 226:12
preflight [1] - 223:16
prejudice [3] - 228:8, 347:1, 347:3
preliminarily [1] - 236:2

preliminary [4] - 232:18, 235:25,
270:4, 311:17
premarked [1] - 400:16
prepared [3] - 309:22, 310:5, 312:2
presence [4] - 237:9, 237:14, 359:12,
361:7
present [16] - 232:13, 235:7, 295:14,
303:9, 314:21, 346:21, 351:3, 354:18,
362:6, 363:23, 378:5, 387:17, 388:7,
415:16, 453:12, 454:18
preserved [1] - 279:13
press [1] - 257:23
pressing [1] - 289:1
pressure [4] - 247:2, 247:8, 248:5,
248:11
presumed [2] - 233:5, 233:15
presumption [1] - 233:9
pretty [2] - 418:2, 427:11
previous [1] - 428:7
previously [3] - 282:1, 283:24, 291:12
primary [2] - 253:18, 253:24
prime [2] - 242:12, 243:12
Princeton [1] - 220:14
principle [1] - 233:18
prison [2] - 460:14, 463:18
private [2] - 321:5, 402:17
probation [1] - 463:6
probative [1] - 347:2
probe [1] - 220:16
problem [3] - 232:4, 247:25, 390:15
problems [2] - 462:24, 463:8
proceed [5] - 233:23, 234:21, 235:10,
295:16, 415:18
proceedings [2] - 239:9, 446:7
Produced [1] - 220:4
promise [1] - 249:3
promised [2] - 446:18, 453:19
promises [1] - 449:6
promptly [1] - 466:9
pronunciation [1] - 406:18
proof [1] - 455:20
proposed [2] - 223:3, 228:1
proposes [1] - 224:8
prosecutors [10] - 234:22, 234:24,
235:4, 235:13, 240:5, 451:22, 452:22,
453:23, 457:12, 457:15
protect [1] - 319:9
protected [1] - 426:23
protecting [2] - 236:16, 387:9
protection [1] - 387:1
protective [2] - 293:20, 359:18
protects [1] - 233:10
prove [6] - 233:14, 233:15, 234:20,
234:22, 245:6, 383:17
proved [3] - 311:6, 311:9, 311:16
proven [1] - 233:8
provide [2] - 389:2, 392:14
provided [6] - 249:20, 281:22, 394:4,
396:25, 464:21, 464:23
proving [2] - 232:25, 346:15
provisions [1] - 445:10

publicized [1] - 277:1
publish [7] - 257:15, 265:18, 302:3,
303:12, 313:14, 316:14, 316:24
published [1] - 428:12
pulled [1] - 254:10
purchase [1] - 285:17
purchased [2] - 285:18, 285:24
purpose [1] - 311:10
purposes [2] - 285:1, 311:16
pursuant [1] - 394:23
push [2] - 255:3, 305:15
pushed [1] - 455:16
put [36] - 228:16, 239:22, 241:12,
242:24, 243:1, 247:2, 251:19, 253:24,
260:7, 268:8, 272:16, 272:17, 283:4,
357:10, 357:24, 358:3, 369:24, 370:13,
370:15, 370:21, 370:23, 371:3, 371:11,
373:6, 419:4, 419:11, 426:25, 439:17,
439:23, 439:24, 441:17, 441:18,
459:22, 460:22, 460:24, 464:16
putting [5] - 268:1, 268:18, 283:11,
291:20, 456:24
Q
Qaeda [22] - 242:15, 244:24, 248:3,
315:24, 316:2, 316:5, 316:21, 318:16,
319:1, 325:19, 338:4, 339:16, 395:22,
426:7, 426:11, 427:1, 438:25, 440:2,
455:8, 455:21, 460:4, 464:23
Qatar [8] - 258:9, 258:17, 259:13,
259:15, 259:21, 260:1, 262:3, 262:4
Quantico [1] - 263:22
quarters [7] - 343:1, 420:12, 420:18,
420:23
quasi [4] - 228:10, 229:16, 229:21,
239:13
quasi-official [1] - 239:13
Queda [2] - 337:6, 337:7
Queens [14] - 242:18, 242:22, 243:3,
243:5, 243:7, 243:25, 244:3, 248:23,
290:10, 330:5, 332:23, 334:5, 339:12,
417:5
questioned [2] - 415:22, 427:6
questioning [1] - 249:19
questions [37] - 247:5, 262:12,
277:17, 280:3, 293:14, 299:20, 308:20,
309:11, 309:16, 328:9, 384:11, 385:9,
385:10, 385:13, 385:21, 398:21,
411:24, 411:25, 425:10, 429:25,
432:13, 436:24, 436:25, 439:21,
445:25, 448:4, 456:22, 456:23, 457:22,
458:1, 458:4, 458:8, 464:9, 464:15,
464:25, 465:13, 466:2
quick [2] - 276:8
quiet [1] - 325:6
quite [1] - 239:1
quote [1] - 433:1
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
20
Rabia [61] - 274:15, 312:20, 319:13,

319:18, 319:24, 319:25, 320:17,
320:23, 321:7, 321:8, 321:13, 321:18,
321:19, 321:21, 323:6, 323:19, 325:9,
364:9, 364:10, 364:13, 364:15, 364:16,
364:21, 365:6, 365:8, 365:11, 365:19,
366:10, 367:13, 367:16, 367:19,
368:16, 369:10, 370:7, 371:2, 373:23,
374:14, 375:1, 375:3, 375:9, 377:19,
379:20, 382:8, 383:8, 384:20, 384:23,
387:18, 388:8, 388:22, 389:16, 394:18,
416:10, 416:13, 421:14, 452:10,
454:15, 458:22, 459:7
Rabia's [9] - 367:15, 371:10, 373:25,
374:6, 391:16, 391:17, 391:22, 421:11,
421:14
radio [2] - 241:11, 241:12
raise [3] - 220:21, 225:23, 247:24
raised [1] - 224:1
raising [1] - 221:2
Ramadan [3] - 300:7, 300:9, 300:12
ratted [1] - 437:25
rea [1] - 228:25
reach [2] - 241:5, 246:6
reaction [2] - 362:18, 364:4
read [24] - 227:22, 227:23, 239:11,
265:21, 266:23, 267:12, 268:14, 282:1,
283:5, 289:14, 311:3, 311:12, 431:2,
432:2, 432:4, 432:6, 435:16, 435:17,
440:23, 441:11, 445:6, 447:25, 454:6,
454:7
readback [1] - 239:10
readily [1] - 249:12
reading [1] - 269:4
reads [1] - 311:14
ready [6] - 220:18, 232:17, 241:22,
268:16, 350:6, 463:10
real [6] - 229:18, 279:9, 281:1, 432:20,
432:21, 433:17
reality [1] - 241:4
really [13] - 220:13, 225:9, 228:11,
228:15, 229:17, 229:24, 231:3, 231:8,
366:14, 381:4, 408:12, 408:13, 432:16
reason [8] - 221:2, 226:21, 231:16,
231:21, 240:2, 240:4, 356:2, 422:8
reasonable [1] - 233:7
reasons [3] - 228:6, 291:6, 292:7
receipt [3] - 264:5, 264:6, 265:2
receive [9] - 234:14, 236:22, 237:1,
263:19, 273:25, 377:5, 377:15, 397:14,
397:17
Received [7] - 318:12, 395:17, 401:4,
402:10, 403:24, 405:10, 406:22
received [32] - 244:16, 256:10, 257:14,
260:20, 265:5, 265:10, 265:17, 272:21,
273:8, 273:14, 273:23, 274:3, 274:9,
274:13, 274:18, 276:20, 283:1, 288:1,
289:12, 291:3, 291:10, 292:11, 299:9,
313:11, 317:23, 325:5, 326:9, 327:4,

329:15, 407:15, 409:14, 470:2
receiving [4] - 245:14, 264:11, 377:21,
378:2
recent [4] - 222:12, 222:17, 407:17,
407:21
recently [3] - 308:18, 457:19, 463:8
reception [3] - 296:21, 297:9, 310:15
recess [2] - 347:10, 349:1
Recess [1] - 415:11
recipes [1] - 245:24
recognize [13] - 255:5, 256:19, 260:6,
265:3, 265:7, 273:2, 289:4, 290:18,
316:16, 326:1, 326:19, 329:8, 395:6
recollection [10] - 239:5, 301:25,
304:14, 431:25, 432:5, 432:11, 435:11,
435:21, 441:8, 441:12
recommend [1] - 397:24
record [17] - 225:8, 239:8, 239:13,
255:8, 255:13, 255:16, 255:17, 255:22,
256:1, 257:22, 258:2, 262:6, 289:17,
291:5, 389:6, 413:6
recorded [5] - 245:21, 308:2, 308:5,
308:6, 312:5
recorder [1] - 430:24
recording [9] - 303:3, 303:5, 305:4,
305:7, 306:10, 307:5, 357:17, 465:1,
465:4
recordings [4] - 311:21, 311:25,
313:14, 467:7
records [16] - 253:9, 253:13, 253:15,
253:16, 254:18, 256:3, 257:4, 258:25,
260:7, 260:10, 260:22, 260:24, 261:11,
261:24, 264:18, 271:12
recovered [1] - 286:6
recross [1] - 235:1
recruiters [1] - 242:15
redact [2] - 226:5, 226:15
redacted [1] - 226:12
redaction. [1] - 226:9
redirect [3] - 235:1, 308:22, 464:11
REDIRECT [4] - 308:24, 464:13, 469:9,
469:13
refer [3] - 362:12, 410:6, 411:8
reference [4] - 239:5, 285:13, 285:19,
291:21
referred [10] - 253:18, 257:20, 283:21,
292:10, 292:12, 310:1, 362:11, 401:9,
410:3, 411:5
referring [7] - 225:5, 310:11, 352:16,
362:22, 372:3, 373:4, 382:23
refers [4] - 221:7, 227:8, 230:7, 362:14
refresh [6] - 301:25, 304:14, 432:11,
435:10, 435:21, 441:8
refreshes [2] - 431:25, 432:4
refuse [1] - 446:12
regard [1] - 230:21
regarding [5] - 284:17, 284:23,
293:20, 293:21, 325:11
regular [1] - 263:24
regulations [1] - 254:12
reiterate [2] - 241:2, 361:1

relate [1] - 260:23
related [5] - 322:24, 323:7, 323:9,
323:16, 352:14
relationship [19] - 221:21, 221:25,
227:5, 227:18, 227:20, 229:10, 230:19,
231:20, 231:22, 273:18, 274:6, 322:22,
328:11, 328:13, 328:21, 331:5, 331:6,
375:15, 385:13
relative [1] - 248:6
relatives [2] - 245:19, 297:4
release [1] - 350:18
relevance [4] - 224:12, 346:22, 346:24,
407:13
relevant [3] - 231:21, 346:8, 350:22
religious [5] - 243:25, 249:24, 405:17,
405:19, 405:21
remain [2] - 233:16, 233:19
remained [1] - 296:20
Remember [1] - 384:1
remember [35] - 236:9, 239:1, 251:2,
251:6, 251:15, 328:6, 339:9, 340:12,
354:13, 360:11, 377:11, 378:4, 383:4,
391:10, 393:21, 420:8, 425:12, 435:9,
437:9, 438:21, 439:6, 440:17, 443:16,
444:25, 451:17, 451:18, 451:22, 452:1,
456:17, 456:18, 456:24, 457:1, 457:5,
459:6, 465:2
remind [1] - 279:6
renewing [2] - 356:1, 356:8
rent [2] - 353:16, 356:13
rental [2] - 275:5, 290:2
rented [3] - 242:19, 346:13, 354:1
repeat [3] - 231:11, 244:18, 379:15
repeatedly [1] - 437:3
rephrase [1] - 382:1
replies [1] - 269:18
reply [4] - 267:1, 267:6, 268:9, 268:15
report [5] - 241:11, 302:1, 305:11,
310:4, 321:11
reported [1] - 262:7
Reporter [2] - 220:1, 220:1
reporters [1] - 239:6
reports [2] - 243:9, 309:22
representing [3] - 299:24, 300:5
request [2] - 350:13, 406:12
requested [1] - 467:23
requesting [1] - 350:18
required [1] - 254:13
requisite [1] - 350:20
residence [1] - 266:20
residue [1] - 245:25
resistance [1] - 298:19
resolution [1] - 350:25
resolve [2] - 266:10, 266:12
resolved [2] - 264:8, 264:15
resolving [1] - 239:4
resources [2] - 242:24, 244:20
respect [8] - 221:1, 241:4, 241:19,
250:14, 379:14, 410:11, 411:4, 465:24
respectful [1] - 411:3
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
21
respond [2] - 226:18, 340:19

response [5] - 225:12, 237:7, 320:11,
341:13, 365:7
responsibility [1] - 455:15
responsible [10] - 320:5, 321:15,
321:23, 363:11, 363:20, 364:23, 365:1,
365:3, 365:13, 444:8
rest [2] - 235:14, 341:2
rests [2] - 235:5, 235:6
result [3] - 264:11, 287:3, 311:5
results [4] - 282:18, 287:14, 289:6,
290:20
resume [3] - 293:16, 345:11, 415:10
resumes [2] - 350:5, 415:14
retail [1] - 285:25
retire [1] - 241:4
return [8] - 258:18, 258:22, 259:9,
259:23, 261:9, 275:8, 275:10, 276:24
returned [7] - 258:20, 259:10, 259:24,
276:9, 335:7, 335:14, 339:17
returning [3] - 253:16, 262:2, 262:3
returns [2] - 258:16, 261:10
reveal [1] - 229:3
review [1] - 261:24
reviewed [4] - 254:17, 261:12, 262:8,
447:22
reward [1] - 448:6
rid [1] - 250:17
rights [2] - 424:17, 425:5
RILEY [2] - 350:16, 351:1
Riley [1] - 350:16
rip [1] - 446:12
ripped [1] - 398:2
Rise [1] - 264:2
rise [6] - 275:1, 293:17, 345:11,
359:25, 415:8, 466:16
Road [1] - 266:13
road [2] - 295:7, 341:10
Robert [3] - 252:3, 252:10, 252:11
role [3] - 241:19, 330:6, 416:19
room [27] - 238:22, 239:12, 296:18,
297:14, 297:24, 298:7, 298:23, 299:19,
304:4, 304:11, 304:20, 304:23, 306:6,
306:8, 306:24, 307:1, 309:8, 321:1,
343:25, 354:17, 367:18, 368:8, 404:15,
406:3, 449:13, 461:14
Roqia [1] - 383:7
roster [1] - 388:19
routine [2] - 253:10, 293:2
row [3] - 258:5, 401:20, 403:7
rude [2] - 240:16, 240:18
Rukia [1] - 325:17
rule [6] - 237:5, 237:11, 240:3, 240:4,
240:13, 240:20
Rule [1] - 228:21
ruled [2] - 238:11, 282:8
rules [1] - 310:11
Rules [1] - 236:22
ruling [7] - 223:6, 223:7, 226:13,
228:21, 279:3, 279:5, 287:23
run [5] - 222:12, 239:17, 253:7, 270:1,
421:17
ruse [1] - 310:13
Russian [1] - 346:4
S
safe [3] - 223:20, 444:13, 464:19
Saidi [1] - 220:24
salam [1] - 267:4
salt [3] - 419:1, 419:5, 419:19
Sana [1] - 291:14
sana_pakhtana [3] - 266:8, 266:11,
268:5
sat [5] - 298:7, 298:9, 319:25, 364:15,
367:18
save [4] - 241:13, 248:6, 251:21
saved [2] - 418:24, 419:6
saw [6] - 342:9, 342:11, 345:8, 444:5,
457:6, 463:16
schedule [1] - 399:25
school [30] - 221:20, 248:22, 333:7,
336:14, 370:15, 370:20, 370:23, 371:9,
402:15, 402:17, 402:19, 402:21,
402:23, 402:25, 404:13, 405:19,
405:21, 409:6, 417:4, 417:5, 417:9,
417:10, 417:16, 417:18, 417:22, 421:2,
421:24, 421:25, 422:10, 423:19
School [1] - 417:8
scissors [1] - 369:17
screen [11] - 247:20, 256:13, 257:23,
258:18, 268:1, 268:8, 268:18, 283:4,
283:11, 291:20
scrutinize [1] - 251:19
sealed [3] - 293:25, 347:9, 350:14
Sealed [1] - 294:1
sealing [1] - 350:19
search [14] - 281:13, 281:15, 281:19,
281:23, 282:18, 286:15, 287:14, 289:7,
290:21, 291:18, 310:16, 310:18, 374:6,
374:9
searched [6] - 243:5, 281:10, 286:15,
287:11, 373:24, 459:19
searches [3] - 243:6, 276:24, 292:23
searching [1] - 241:9
seat [2] - 255:17, 313:24
seated [10] - 232:14, 232:20, 272:4,
295:15, 345:17, 350:3, 351:4, 415:13,
415:17, 466:18
SEC [1] - 304:4
second [20] - 223:2, 223:24, 223:25,
229:4, 229:5, 247:19, 247:23, 251:12,
261:18, 300:15, 303:9, 311:4, 334:16,
335:21, 335:23, 363:6, 367:21, 418:10,
420:19, 422:18
second-guess [1] - 251:12
seconds [1] - 268:10
secret [1] - 430:7
section [1] - 440:14
secure [1] - 286:15
Security [1] - 263:15
see [47] - 220:16, 222:20, 230:11,

231:7, 231:8, 232:15, 237:1, 237:2,
238:2, 238:8, 239:6, 239:14, 245:18,
245:23, 247:19, 249:9, 250:2, 254:23,
255:1, 255:2, 255:15, 255:16, 272:3,
272:4, 277:2, 290:4, 302:6, 303:11,
305:12, 342:7, 342:25, 343:24, 347:3,
347:4, 347:7, 395:4, 422:10, 431:25,
432:4, 443:25, 444:4, 444:16, 463:13,
463:18, 466:15, 467:20
seeing [1] - 239:19
seem [1] - 240:22
sees [2] - 233:17, 254:24
self [4] - 357:12, 358:9, 364:7, 414:15
send [5] - 239:11, 254:12, 364:21,
430:1, 431:6
sender [1] - 269:15
sends [2] - 254:7, 269:5
sense [2] - 237:8, 237:12
sent [17] - 221:20, 248:22, 268:4,
268:9, 281:25, 288:10, 288:11, 308:8,
320:3, 321:13, 321:20, 401:14, 404:13,
421:8, 430:23, 431:3, 463:22
sentence [5] - 397:14, 397:24, 446:23,
447:17, 448:10
sentenced [1] - 397:22
sentences [1] - 245:15
sentencing [2] - 397:10, 446:22
sentiments [1] - 347:5
separate [2] - 249:19, 395:24
separated [1] - 399:24
September [54] - 224:7, 224:22,
241:25, 242:12, 242:19, 242:23,
243:16, 246:14, 259:24, 260:1, 264:1,
264:22, 266:1, 267:11, 268:7, 268:24,
271:21, 275:4, 275:11, 275:19, 277:8,
281:7, 281:9, 286:14, 289:18, 289:20,
290:6, 290:7, 293:7, 295:23, 296:2,
300:16, 300:25, 301:13, 301:22,
312:13, 312:15, 312:17, 312:19,
312:21, 312:23, 312:25, 313:2, 313:4,
342:17, 352:25, 356:22, 408:16, 409:8,
409:25, 439:1, 443:15, 459:12, 459:14
sequential [1] - 269:17
serious [1] - 242:4
serve [1] - 220:12
service [1] - 241:20
SESSION [1] - 350:1
session [1] - 350:11
set [4] - 264:15, 266:19, 317:2, 461:20
sets [1] - 243:8
seven [4] - 248:20, 331:9, 422:23,
439:4
several [8] - 247:15, 264:6, 264:7,
266:18, 281:20, 301:17, 305:1, 458:11
severity [1] - 270:3
shadow [3] - 351:21, 352:12, 356:20
share [1] - 238:20
shared [2] - 404:15, 406:3
sheik [3] - 316:7, 316:8, 316:11
sheikh [4] - 337:14, 337:16, 337:18
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
22
shift [1] - 379:4

shifts [1] - 233:2
shirt [1] - 430:24
shocked [1] - 414:19
shop [4] - 356:17, 356:19, 358:4,
414:8
shopping [1] - 371:22
short [3] - 225:9, 239:14, 467:4
shortcuts [1] - 248:12
shorten [1] - 362:12
shorter [1] - 400:19
shortly [3] - 276:23, 300:3, 423:2
shot [1] - 272:22
shoulders [1] - 233:1
show [36] - 254:20, 255:4, 255:14,
258:4, 260:3, 261:5, 264:23, 264:24,
272:10, 272:11, 272:21, 273:10,
282:13, 283:17, 286:2, 287:7, 289:24,
290:12, 305:14, 306:13, 317:25, 343:4,
377:2, 400:14, 401:18, 403:2, 404:22,
406:6, 407:5, 411:20, 431:24, 435:10,
440:7, 440:13, 441:4, 454:4
showed [4] - 301:25, 304:14, 354:7,
355:3
showing [23] - 255:18, 255:24, 256:18,
272:13, 273:1, 274:2, 287:5, 289:3,
289:16, 317:12, 317:15, 318:6, 322:13,
322:19, 323:4, 326:1, 326:18, 327:11,
327:18, 327:24, 329:7, 355:8, 395:3
shown [1] - 309:1
shows [2] - 257:20, 258:23
shuttle [1] - 409:9
sick [2] - 367:3, 367:4
Side [1] - 279:1
side [6] - 233:2, 235:2, 235:3, 238:7,
278:2, 347:7
side's [2] - 236:16, 237:7
Sidebar [5] - 293:25, 358:12, 381:6,
388:10, 413:1
sidebar [6] - 237:13, 293:23, 350:10,
350:14, 358:11, 381:5
Sidebar-order [1] - 293:25
sidebars [1] - 237:18
sides [2] - 235:14, 311:5
sign [3] - 228:3, 231:25, 232:6
signature [1] - 395:9
signed [6] - 222:4, 230:2, 230:3,
315:15, 444:21, 453:16
signing [1] - 445:6
silent [2] - 233:16, 233:19
similar [2] - 255:16, 430:15
similarly [1] - 287:24
simple [1] - 246:11
simply [1] - 346:14
simultaneously [2] - 310:16, 428:12
sister [6] - 248:25, 274:7, 274:15,
323:10, 331:15, 365:10
sisters [3] - 331:8, 331:9, 331:20
sit [1] - 248:8
sitting [2] - 343:25, 378:11
situation [2] - 320:18, 365:19
Six [1] - 220:10

six [7] - 248:20, 270:2, 333:19, 333:23,
418:16, 439:4, 447:25
size [2] - 423:13, 423:15
skills [1] - 248:18
skip [2] - 311:17, 312:7
skipped [1] - 417:20
slam [1] - 267:15
slept [1] - 404:15
slow [1] - 381:22
slower [1] - 249:3
slowly [1] - 320:22
sm [1] - 267:3
small [2] - 220:9, 330:13
smell [8] - 368:9, 368:13, 368:14,
457:2, 457:4, 457:5
smelled [3] - 368:11, 456:11, 457:9
smoke [8] - 369:4, 418:3, 422:13,
422:17, 423:23, 423:24, 434:2
smoked [2] - 422:16
smoking [6] - 418:2, 418:3, 418:5,
420:15, 423:8, 427:22
Smoky [4] - 266:13, 271:23, 341:7,
341:9
snitcher [2] - 432:21, 433:17
snuck [1] - 435:2
someone [6] - 236:25, 239:18, 321:25,
322:4, 410:7, 434:21
sometime [3] - 223:7, 356:20, 420:18
sometimes [20] - 235:1, 236:6, 237:1,
237:2, 237:4, 237:13, 237:15, 237:18,
238:25, 239:2, 240:8, 330:7, 338:21,
338:22, 419:1, 419:11, 419:12, 420:16,
420:17, 421:17
somewhat [1] - 280:12
somewhere [2] - 433:4, 439:23
Son [1] - 246:17
son [34] - 221:7, 221:20, 222:2,
226:24, 226:25, 227:1, 227:3, 227:7,
227:8, 227:9, 227:14, 228:18, 230:7,
231:14, 232:3, 244:11, 246:12, 246:15,
249:5, 249:10, 251:15, 320:14, 331:12,
362:24, 363:1, 377:2, 377:3, 384:1,
384:23, 388:22, 454:20, 454:24
son's [1] - 248:10
soon [2] - 243:7, 391:12
sorry [25] - 221:14, 230:5, 231:17,
231:19, 256:15, 282:7, 290:16, 291:9,
332:10, 359:19, 363:23, 368:5, 373:12,
373:17, 393:6, 403:5, 406:18, 408:10,
428:1, 435:5, 435:13, 443:20, 447:19,
448:9, 465:21
sort [2] - 429:7, 431:8
sorts [1] - 437:15
sought [1] - 226:4
sounds [2] - 223:19, 226:14
sources [1] - 264:17
Southern [3] - 222:8, 222:21, 222:25
space [1] - 310:14
speaking [10] - 255:7, 284:13, 285:12,
360:22, 360:24, 361:4, 361:5, 361:6,
381:9, 381:10
special [3] - 253:1, 263:6, 263:20
Special [2] - 252:2, 265:11
specific [6] - 242:2, 270:14, 285:14,
325:16, 358:7, 449:24
specifically [5] - 282:12, 285:24,
297:12, 328:6, 358:5
specifics [1] - 285:12
speculate [1] - 238:10
speech [2] - 330:7, 330:9
spell [4] - 252:9, 262:22, 314:4, 314:6
spend [1] - 426:3
spent [1] - 375:1
spilled [1] - 370:4
spoken [2] - 244:6, 354:10
spot [1] - 236:24
spreadsheet [8] - 257:4, 257:18,
259:1, 260:8, 260:12, 260:13, 261:6,
262:6
spreadsheets [1] - 257:7
sprite [1] - 442:6
Sprite [1] - 442:7
squad [3] - 263:14, 263:17, 275:23
Squad [1] - 263:15
squarely [1] - 233:1
stairs [1] - 371:14
stand [3] - 234:13, 242:7, 252:5
standard [1] - 307:16
Standard [1] - 307:19
standing [5] - 298:9, 367:17, 402:1,
403:11, 403:13
stands [1] - 235:5
start [15] - 269:4, 270:2, 338:8, 339:3,
353:19, 353:21, 355:21, 357:6, 369:1,
390:22, 409:9, 418:1, 418:3, 466:8
started [18] - 252:22, 264:16, 264:17,
266:20, 334:11, 334:14, 353:21,
390:25, 391:5, 391:12, 417:24, 418:5,
418:8, 436:7, 439:8, 459:21
starting [5] - 257:19, 265:20, 267:12,
268:14
starts [1] - 270:17
stashed [1] - 247:17
state [2] - 262:22, 314:4
State [1] - 252:9
statement [9] - 234:2, 234:5, 241:2,
241:23, 279:7, 279:8, 359:7, 359:25,
381:12
statements [14] - 220:18, 228:24,
231:16, 233:25, 234:11, 234:17,
234:19, 279:2, 279:3, 280:9, 309:23,
388:24, 389:9, 467:9
STATES [2] - 219:1, 219:3
states [1] - 335:11
States [40] - 219:10, 219:14, 235:6,
242:1, 248:22, 253:10, 253:14, 253:16,
253:25, 254:13, 259:23, 259:24, 261:7,
261:9, 262:10, 315:13, 316:10, 332:1,
332:7, 332:11, 332:16, 332:19, 332:24,
333:23, 334:6, 334:8, 334:15, 339:24,
399:5, 401:9, 404:4, 404:6, 404:7,
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
23
406:24, 407:3, 417:25, 422:25, 445:4,

450:1
statute [1] - 222:12
stay [13] - 224:14, 293:24, 333:18,
335:10, 335:23, 336:15, 385:3, 392:20,
421:24, 421:25, 431:20, 461:18, 461:22
stayed [4] - 421:11, 422:22, 423:5,
462:7
staying [2] - 368:8, 453:3
stays [2] - 233:2, 233:9
steal [2] - 335:4, 339:5
stealing [3] - 339:3, 420:10, 420:12
steeped [1] - 231:6
Stenographically [1] - 220:4
step [3] - 226:13, 293:19, 310:24
steps [7] - 230:12, 269:24, 271:10,
292:20, 292:24, 293:1, 367:10
still [8] - 246:17, 251:5, 304:9, 305:23,
335:18, 336:5, 360:13, 455:3
stipulate [2] - 228:12, 228:14
stipulated [4] - 226:25, 311:9, 311:15,
311:18
stipulation [18] - 222:4, 227:6, 227:22,
228:1, 228:3, 230:3, 230:4, 230:12,
231:8, 231:25, 232:5, 295:6, 311:3,
311:5, 313:7, 313:8, 313:10, 313:15
stipulations [1] - 311:7
stole [4] - 335:1, 419:17, 419:19,
419:22
stonefaced [1] - 240:17
stop [4] - 242:1, 244:19, 248:18,
421:19
stopped [4] - 251:10, 339:1, 345:3,
375:13
stops [2] - 299:12, 428:17
store [1] - 372:15
stored [2] - 253:23, 254:3
stores [2] - 285:17, 285:25
stories [3] - 443:3, 443:24, 451:19
story [4] - 220:15, 247:1, 454:1,
457:24
stove [4] - 342:15, 343:20, 343:23,
344:1
straight [2] - 371:18, 371:19
strategy [1] - 276:10
street [1] - 341:12
Street [1] - 219:22
stressful [1] - 427:11
strictly [1] - 284:13
strikes [1] - 229:15
strived [1] - 248:23
student [1] - 316:8
studied [1] - 337:17
stuff [11] - 221:14, 221:16, 241:13,
250:17, 311:17, 365:11, 370:19, 375:3,
390:12, 396:22, 458:23
subject [7] - 231:2, 235:25, 236:2,
257:19, 259:6, 266:2, 463:2
subjected [3] - 234:23, 234:24, 259:18
subjects [2] - 257:5, 259:2
submit [2] - 350:23, 359:7
subpoena [15] - 266:4, 266:7, 325:5,

377:5, 377:15, 377:22, 378:2, 379:2,
379:4, 379:7, 380:24, 381:20, 381:21,
382:13, 382:18
subpoenas [3] - 244:16, 264:16,
286:25
substance [4] - 240:9, 342:20, 343:11,
456:22
substantial [2] - 347:1, 447:10
suburb [1] - 272:1
Suburban [1] - 409:2
subway [1] - 246:20
subways [1] - 347:1
successful [2] - 337:10, 337:12
suggest [1] - 346:20
suggesting [1] - 220:11
suicide [4] - 346:25, 414:11, 414:13,
414:14
suit [1] - 272:6
Suite [1] - 219:23
SULLIVAN [1] - 219:18
Sultan [64] - 250:9, 273:17, 319:13,
319:18, 320:1, 320:2, 320:8, 320:20,
320:24, 321:6, 321:8, 321:11, 321:21,
322:1, 322:5, 322:21, 325:21, 341:20,
342:2, 354:19, 363:24, 364:13, 364:16,
364:20, 366:3, 366:12, 367:2, 367:19,
368:16, 369:10, 370:7, 371:2, 371:15,
373:23, 376:16, 377:19, 379:20,
381:23, 382:10, 384:20, 385:20,
387:18, 388:2, 388:8, 388:21, 389:17,
390:12, 394:18, 399:17, 399:22, 402:3,
403:15, 406:7, 416:7, 416:15, 431:1,
449:12, 452:3, 452:6, 452:7, 452:10,
454:15, 454:20, 454:23
Sulzer [1] - 220:1
summarize [1] - 260:22
summarized [3] - 257:18, 258:25,
377:25
summations [3] - 234:17, 235:16,
237:2
summer [1] - 248:24
Sunday [1] - 266:1
supervisory [1] - 270:10
supplies [1] - 246:2
supply [1] - 285:17
support [4] - 248:20, 401:16, 428:4,
462:11
supported [1] - 229:17
suppose [1] - 413:5
supposed [7] - 242:3, 249:23, 250:17,
365:23, 366:2, 366:14, 447:16
supposedly [4] - 247:16, 250:7,
250:10, 459:14
surveillance [7] - 264:15, 266:19,
271:12, 271:18, 271:20, 275:12, 292:23
surveillances [2] - 243:1, 247:3
suspect [2] - 242:12, 243:12
suspicious [2] - 430:17, 431:7
sustain [3] - 238:7, 287:24, 287:25
sustained [6] - 277:23, 283:25, 284:3,
345:6, 379:10, 382:16

Sustained [1] - 381:4
SWAT [1] - 243:7
swear [1] - 220:22
switch [1] - 351:12
sworn [5] - 220:24, 235:22, 252:7,
313:25, 314:2
sworn/affirmed [1] - 262:20
system [8] - 233:19, 253:20, 253:24,
254:11, 255:23, 256:1, 262:8, 262:11
System [2] - 253:19, 253:21
systems [1] - 262:9
T
table [2] - 272:4, 317:3
tables [2] - 239:25, 240:23
Tabligh [5] - 386:2, 386:3, 388:1,
389:21, 390:14
tabligh [3] - 353:6, 353:7, 353:11
Taliban [1] - 426:7
taller [1] - 401:22
Tape [2] - 428:16, 428:17
tape [1] - 430:24
tape-recorder [1] - 430:24
tapped [3] - 243:4, 366:19, 366:21
target [2] - 242:3, 270:24
targeting [1] - 387:7
Targeting [1] - 253:21
targets [1] - 271:2
Tariq [27] - 271:7, 274:11, 292:6,
327:10, 327:19, 329:20, 341:20, 342:3,
363:25, 372:21, 377:19, 384:19,
387:18, 388:8, 388:22, 389:17, 400:10,
401:24, 402:25, 403:19, 404:15,
405:19, 429:5, 429:11, 429:22, 434:25
Task [1] - 253:5
task [3] - 253:6, 253:7, 264:17
TATP [3] - 282:12, 284:7, 288:8
taxi [6] - 248:19, 351:21, 351:22,
352:4, 352:12, 433:15
tea [1] - 343:25
teach [4] - 329:25, 366:11, 366:13,
367:14
teacher [8] - 329:18, 329:19, 329:21,
329:23, 330:7, 337:17, 354:23
teams [2] - 243:7, 275:12
teapot [4] - 342:10, 342:25, 343:2,
343:4
TECS [4] - 253:19, 254:1, 254:11,
256:1
telephone [3] - 245:20, 312:11, 312:12
television [1] - 243:8
ten [7] - 293:16, 372:13, 372:17,
415:10, 419:9, 419:10, 448:24
tenth [1] - 417:12
term [2] - 315:18, 400:5
terms [2] - 269:10, 284:10
terrorism [11] - 251:4, 251:5, 253:6,
253:8, 263:16, 264:9, 275:23, 284:14,
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
24
284:17, 284:20, 284:21

Terrorism [1] - 253:4
terrorist [7] - 242:1, 243:12, 244:19,
244:23, 250:23, 251:14, 269:11
test [4] - 374:12, 374:16, 377:2, 463:7
tested [1] - 377:4
testified [18] - 252:8, 256:4, 262:21,
263:12, 265:12, 271:9, 271:18, 272:2,
286:21, 291:13, 292:19, 295:22, 309:7,
314:3, 339:15, 379:22, 380:16, 413:3
testifies [1] - 223:8
testify [26] - 221:3, 224:12, 233:16,
233:17, 233:21, 233:22, 244:16,
250:19, 250:25, 251:9, 377:16, 384:24,
385:5, 388:15, 396:8, 396:10, 398:11,
446:7, 446:12, 450:20, 450:25, 463:10,
463:12, 465:17, 465:19, 465:23
testifying [4] - 245:14, 315:15, 463:24,
464:3
testimony [25] - 234:13, 235:3, 236:7,
238:21, 239:1, 239:3, 239:12, 245:8,
245:16, 245:19, 250:20, 272:24,
284:10, 284:11, 325:3, 345:24, 359:1,
389:2, 389:18, 390:2, 390:5, 410:3,
411:5, 446:9, 447:4
testing [1] - 463:3
tests [4] - 376:17, 376:19, 376:20,
376:21
text [1] - 266:23
THE [30] - 252:9, 252:10, 262:22,
262:23, 305:17, 307:13, 307:16,
307:19, 308:6, 314:4, 314:5, 314:7,
314:24, 315:4, 315:6, 328:3, 353:9,
382:18, 382:23, 383:1, 383:5, 383:7,
388:8, 408:1, 428:15, 432:7, 436:23,
441:14, 452:20, 454:12
The court [308] - 220:9, 220:22,
220:25, 221:14, 221:17, 222:1, 222:12,
222:15, 222:17, 222:20, 222:24, 223:5,
223:9, 223:12, 223:14, 223:23, 224:4,
224:19, 225:8, 225:16, 225:20, 226:8,
226:14, 226:20, 226:22, 227:11,
227:22, 228:4, 228:20, 229:8, 230:5,
230:8, 230:11, 230:15, 230:17, 230:21,
231:5, 232:2, 232:7, 232:9, 232:14,
232:17, 238:1, 239:24, 240:15, 240:24,
246:8, 247:19, 251:25, 252:4, 252:13,
254:22, 255:20, 256:10, 256:17,
257:12, 257:14, 257:16, 258:3, 260:5,
260:12, 260:15, 260:18, 260:20,
262:13, 262:16, 262:18, 265:15,
265:17, 265:19, 272:7, 272:12, 272:16,
272:19, 272:21, 273:8, 273:14, 273:23,
273:25, 274:3, 274:9, 274:13, 274:18,
277:23, 278:1, 279:2, 279:6, 279:11,
279:13, 282:7, 282:10, 282:23, 283:1,
283:25, 284:9, 285:8, 285:10, 287:8,
287:18, 287:20, 287:23, 288:19,
288:23, 289:1, 289:10, 289:12, 290:14,
290:17, 290:25, 291:3, 291:8, 291:10,
293:16, 293:19, 295:2, 295:5, 295:8,
295:10, 295:12, 295:15, 295:17, 299:5,
299:9, 301:21, 302:4, 303:14, 305:15,

305:18, 305:25, 307:11, 307:14,
307:18, 307:20, 308:4, 308:21, 310:8,
310:21, 310:24, 311:1, 311:4, 311:14,
312:7, 312:9, 313:11, 313:15, 313:17,
313:24, 314:6, 314:8, 314:10, 314:20,
314:25, 315:5, 315:7, 316:15, 316:25,
317:2, 317:5, 317:18, 317:21, 317:23,
317:25, 318:12, 322:3, 326:9, 327:4,
327:16, 328:2, 328:4, 329:6, 329:15,
343:9, 343:22, 345:6, 345:10, 345:12,
345:15, 345:17, 345:18, 345:24, 346:2,
346:6, 346:8, 346:18, 347:2, 347:9,
350:3, 350:6, 350:9, 350:15, 350:20,
351:2, 351:4, 351:6, 356:5, 358:11,
359:1, 359:10, 359:12, 359:14, 359:19,
359:21, 360:2, 360:5, 360:10, 360:16,
360:20, 361:3, 361:7, 361:10, 362:2,
366:24, 378:20, 379:10, 380:1, 380:19,
381:4, 381:7, 381:13, 381:15, 381:22,
381:24, 382:16, 382:20, 382:24, 383:3,
383:6, 383:9, 384:9, 387:23, 388:7,
388:9, 388:11, 388:13, 388:19, 388:23,
389:1, 389:4, 389:10, 389:13, 390:9,
395:2, 395:17, 398:19, 398:22, 398:25,
400:15, 401:2, 401:4, 402:10, 403:24,
404:25, 405:10, 406:14, 406:22,
407:14, 407:20, 407:24, 412:6, 412:12,
413:2, 413:5, 413:8, 414:2, 415:4,
415:7, 415:10, 415:13, 415:15, 415:17,
415:19, 428:10, 428:13, 432:2, 432:6,
432:10, 435:12, 435:15, 436:20,
436:24, 437:12, 440:5, 440:11, 440:15,
441:11, 444:16, 448:4, 449:23, 452:19,
454:7, 454:10, 454:13, 455:25, 464:7,
464:10, 466:1, 466:3, 466:5, 466:8,
466:18, 467:1, 467:6, 467:10, 467:15,
467:18, 467:20, 468:2, 468:6
themselves [7] - 234:11, 248:6, 248:9,
250:25, 251:21, 253:25, 254:8
thereafter [2] - 300:3, 423:2
thick [1] - 342:23
thinking [4] - 355:15, 370:22, 412:7,
427:22
third [7] - 229:16, 229:25, 259:17,
259:18, 300:25, 306:4, 318:15
thirteen [2] - 376:6, 376:8
thirty [5] - 396:3, 396:4, 397:18,
397:19, 397:20
thn [2] - 267:1, 267:3
thng [1] - 267:3
thousand [2] - 335:5, 419:21
threat [2] - 270:2, 270:3
three [18] - 232:21, 245:5, 257:4,
257:8, 269:18, 295:25, 316:9, 329:24,
331:9, 339:1, 342:5, 343:1, 344:4,
373:11, 373:13, 374:8, 391:24, 417:9
three-quarters [1] - 343:1
throughout [8] - 233:5, 233:6, 233:10,
275:12, 359:23, 410:3, 411:5
thrown [3] - 459:4, 459:7, 459:11
ticket [10] - 249:7, 251:3, 334:18,
334:23, 334:25, 335:6, 335:13, 335:14,

335:22
tiered [1] - 270:1
time,pay [1] - 267:3
tipped [2] - 244:4, 276:20
today [15] - 242:11, 248:12, 251:14,
272:3, 303:5, 305:7, 315:15, 375:7,
425:19, 446:9, 449:9, 451:10, 457:11,
457:13, 457:14
toe [1] - 284:25
toes [1] - 226:13
together [6] - 221:12, 221:19, 242:16,
321:9, 400:6, 449:13
tomorrow [11] - 340:7, 365:15, 365:24,
374:18, 466:9, 466:15, 467:3, 467:8,
467:16, 467:20
took [32] - 224:7, 248:12, 249:8, 249:9,
259:5, 271:10, 292:20, 296:2, 296:17,
300:18, 302:11, 304:1, 306:14, 315:23,
357:4, 371:19, 372:15, 384:25, 393:20,
396:22, 400:2, 407:22, 420:21, 420:22,
420:23, 425:13, 425:19, 431:8, 441:2,
465:18, 467:9
top [4] - 257:20, 268:22, 441:5, 454:7
total [2] - 449:1, 467:11
touch [3] - 248:3, 426:25, 460:3
tough [1] - 438:5
toward [1] - 455:16
towed [1] - 286:15
track [1] - 359:15
tracks [1] - 243:19
traffic [1] - 260:24
train [2] - 353:13, 433:13
trained [1] - 440:25
training [29] - 248:3, 250:23, 263:19,
263:22, 263:24, 269:10, 315:24, 316:3,
316:6, 316:21, 318:16, 319:1, 325:19,
337:4, 337:5, 337:6, 337:8, 338:2,
338:5, 339:16, 386:5, 393:17, 395:22,
396:22, 426:14, 426:17, 429:7, 429:12,
440:19
transcript [10] - 224:17, 224:18,
224:21, 239:11, 313:21, 345:12,
350:14, 350:18, 428:11, 466:10
Transcript [1] - 220:4
Transcription [1] - 220:4
transcripts [5] - 224:19, 245:18,
311:25, 312:1, 312:11
translate [1] - 315:3
translations [3] - 311:25, 312:1,
312:11
translator [4] - 429:8, 429:14, 465:5,
465:7
transmit [1] - 254:10
transportation [1] - 461:3
travel [18] - 253:9, 254:5, 254:17,
255:8, 255:17, 255:22, 257:4, 258:25,
260:7, 260:22, 261:24, 262:10, 264:17,
271:12, 289:17, 339:16, 421:12
traveled [3] - 384:15, 384:18, 386:10
traveling [1] - 385:21
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
25
Treasury [1] - 253:19

treated [2] - 221:20, 228:18
triacetone [2] - 282:12, 284:8
trial [34] - 221:12, 222:11, 226:23,
231:5, 231:6, 232:18, 233:6, 233:10,
233:23, 234:15, 236:13, 237:17,
237:20, 239:7, 239:14, 239:16, 239:17,
240:1, 240:12, 240:14, 241:7, 241:9,
241:10, 245:6, 245:14, 246:3, 247:12,
251:8, 251:14, 284:21, 311:10, 311:16,
457:19
trick [1] - 430:22
tried [5] - 243:18, 248:14, 251:18,
369:9, 369:11
trip [12] - 247:15, 258:8, 258:13,
258:14, 259:9, 261:6, 261:7, 261:18,
261:20, 275:13, 335:23, 353:1
triperoxide [2] - 282:12, 284:8
trips [2] - 261:2, 261:4
trouble [15] - 249:17, 334:7, 365:20,
394:21, 416:3, 416:5, 416:12, 416:14,
421:1, 421:4, 421:6, 421:19, 431:15,
439:8
truck [3] - 356:1, 356:8
true [13] - 230:12, 230:14, 329:2,
336:24, 337:1, 377:2, 386:7, 394:2,
408:6, 429:2, 433:21, 452:2, 455:4
trust [3] - 337:11, 340:6, 444:9
truth [23] - 248:13, 279:11, 337:3,
360:7, 360:17, 360:18, 361:8, 385:7,
385:15, 385:24, 386:12, 386:19, 387:8,
393:16, 394:15, 396:8, 396:10, 396:24,
425:17, 427:3, 447:12, 453:20, 460:2
truthful [1] - 393:14
truthfully [1] - 446:1
try [19] - 223:15, 233:22, 237:18,
250:4, 250:16, 251:10, 284:20, 289:1,
337:7, 343:19, 344:14, 353:18, 353:19,
355:22, 369:22, 429:9, 456:4, 463:25,
464:3
trying [15] - 229:25, 242:1, 244:18,
277:4, 310:14, 345:22, 346:19, 357:6,
359:15, 369:3, 369:4, 369:6, 371:14,
375:4, 409:9
Tuesday [1] - 468:7
turn [5] - 241:1, 241:12, 368:14,
399:25, 448:1
turned [7] - 244:3, 247:9, 248:6, 248:7,
249:11, 270:18
turning [2] - 336:4, 395:6
turns [1] - 400:2
TV [2] - 378:11, 378:12
tweeting [2] - 241:15, 241:20
twelve [4] - 248:20, 376:6, 376:7,
417:25
twenty [6] - 243:1, 247:3, 247:24,
249:15, 315:10, 372:9
twenty-four [2] - 247:24, 315:10
twenty-four-hour [2] - 243:1, 247:3
two [55] - 220:20, 240:23, 242:14,
242:17, 243:3, 244:3, 244:12, 247:11,
248:24, 249:19, 249:23, 250:18,

250:19, 253:18, 257:8, 259:2, 259:20,
261:2, 261:3, 265:1, 269:15, 277:13,
282:3, 288:9, 288:10, 288:11, 296:9,
296:17, 316:9, 317:10, 329:1, 329:2,
329:24, 335:17, 336:10, 338:25,
364:20, 367:20, 368:19, 374:1, 375:19,
377:14, 384:2, 391:14, 391:24, 395:24,
420:9, 421:12, 426:18, 426:19, 431:11,
451:21, 452:24, 453:14
type [2] - 270:22, 346:23
types [3] - 253:13, 254:2, 270:2
U
u,how [1] - 266:25
u...more [1] - 267:2
U.S [3] - 219:4, 219:17, 219:18
ultimately [2] - 270:20, 335:12
unanimously [1] - 233:7
Uncle [1] - 322:15
uncle [9] - 228:1, 243:10, 274:20,
319:18, 319:21, 320:10, 330:25,
352:17, 465:24
uncle's [2] - 352:21, 399:23
unclear [2] - 360:21, 361:6
uncles [1] - 410:9
uncovering [1] - 242:25
under [25] - 224:25, 229:14, 234:23,
235:11, 236:22, 239:21, 239:22,
240:19, 247:2, 247:8, 248:5, 248:11,
258:20, 260:10, 292:8, 337:17, 396:7,
430:24, 433:12, 433:15, 433:16, 449:9,
451:10, 455:1, 461:11
underlying [2] - 284:17, 285:1
underneath [1] - 258:5
understood [3] - 249:17, 360:2,
445:10
unfair [3] - 228:8, 230:22, 347:3
unfolds [2] - 231:5, 231:7
uniform [3] - 401:24, 402:15, 460:14
unit [1] - 270:11
UNITED [2] - 219:1, 219:3
united [1] - 219:10
United [39] - 219:14, 235:5, 242:1,
248:22, 253:10, 253:13, 253:16,
253:25, 254:13, 259:23, 259:24, 261:7,
261:9, 262:10, 289:18, 315:13, 332:1,
332:7, 332:10, 332:11, 332:16, 332:19,
332:24, 333:23, 334:6, 334:8, 334:15,
339:23, 399:5, 401:9, 404:4, 404:6,
404:7, 406:24, 407:2, 417:25, 422:25,
445:4, 450:1
unless [4] - 226:17, 233:6, 314:25,
315:3
unlike [2] - 247:10, 247:17
unlikely [1] - 224:11
unnecessarily [1] - 311:8
unquote [1] - 433:2
unraveling [1] - 244:20
unto [1] - 239:15

unwilling [1] - 228:16
up [81] - 235:5, 236:1, 237:13, 238:19,
242:15, 247:20, 250:10, 252:4, 254:25,
256:13, 264:15, 266:19, 278:1, 283:11,
288:23, 290:6, 290:8, 291:20, 293:23,
295:10, 305:15, 311:4, 311:11, 317:2,
328:4, 332:7, 332:10, 340:2, 340:9,
340:11, 341:23, 346:14, 353:19,
353:21, 353:22, 355:23, 357:10,
358:11, 365:17, 366:25, 367:25, 370:6,
370:8, 370:10, 370:18, 370:20, 371:6,
371:15, 376:7, 381:5, 388:9, 388:18,
390:16, 394:10, 395:4, 398:2, 409:21,
412:12, 419:13, 420:19, 422:7, 422:9,
427:13, 434:20, 437:19, 439:17, 443:3,
443:22, 446:12, 446:17, 446:23,
448:18, 448:24, 452:16, 455:8, 459:19,
459:22, 460:24, 464:16, 467:21
upset [5] - 340:9, 388:15, 389:22,
389:23, 414:17
upstair [2] - 368:12, 368:13
upstairs [4] - 367:21, 368:2, 372:24
ur [5] - 266:25, 267:2, 267:4, 267:15
urgent [2] - 251:7, 269:16
Usman [2] - 327:10, 341:20
uttering [1] - 360:18
V
valuable [3] - 242:10, 443:18
value [1] - 347:2
van [4] - 351:25, 352:1, 408:24, 443:12
variety [1] - 245:6
various [1] - 346:13
venued [1] - 222:21
verdict [1] - 251:22
verdicts [2] - 234:12, 241:5
version [1] - 253:20
versus [1] - 346:4
Vicinity [1] - 307:22
video [15] - 297:13, 297:16, 298:23,
299:2, 299:11, 299:12, 299:13, 300:9,
300:12, 309:10, 310:4, 310:9, 346:5,
346:23, 395:4
videos [16] - 344:17, 344:20, 344:24,
345:1, 345:3, 345:4, 345:7, 345:19,
345:20, 345:21, 345:22, 345:23,
345:25, 346:4, 346:21, 346:22
videotape [3] - 303:1, 309:1, 310:4
videotaped [6] - 297:18, 297:20,
298:24, 300:23, 301:7, 301:10
view [1] - 317:6
views [1] - 238:20
violate [1] - 398:1
violating [1] - 240:15
Virginia [1] - 263:22
visit [2] - 337:1, 401:12
visiting [1] - 248:25
voice [2] - 238:22, 328:4
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
26
volume [1] - 357:10

voluntarily [4] - 296:6, 302:19, 305:20,
306:17
volunteered [1] - 249:19
W
Wais [25] - 243:24, 245:22, 249:24,
293:10, 313:5, 329:11, 329:17, 330:18,
330:23, 354:6, 354:7, 354:9, 354:10,
354:21, 354:22, 355:2, 355:3, 355:9,
355:11, 356:25, 409:14, 409:18,
409:19, 411:14, 411:20
Wais's [1] - 330:6
waiting [2] - 224:4, 237:15
Wali [147] - 226:18, 227:24, 228:2,
232:20, 242:6, 246:13, 248:14, 266:15,
271:8, 272:4, 273:11, 292:5, 293:9,
296:14, 296:16, 296:20, 297:24,
298:24, 299:14, 299:19, 299:25, 301:9,
309:15, 313:1, 319:18, 320:2, 320:10,
320:11, 320:12, 321:6, 321:9, 321:12,
321:21, 322:9, 322:10, 322:15, 322:16,
322:24, 323:9, 325:9, 325:17, 325:21,
328:11, 328:13, 328:17, 328:21,
328:25, 330:18, 331:5, 331:6, 331:8,
331:11, 332:9, 332:18, 332:21, 334:3,
335:3, 335:22, 339:14, 339:21, 339:22,
340:11, 340:13, 340:19, 341:20, 342:2,
352:3, 352:5, 352:6, 352:17, 352:20,
354:4, 354:11, 355:2, 355:8, 355:11,
355:17, 356:24, 357:4, 357:11, 358:8,
359:11, 362:6, 363:3, 363:6, 363:9,
363:20, 364:1, 364:13, 364:21, 365:17,
365:22, 366:4, 372:21, 372:23, 373:23,
374:24, 375:2, 375:14, 376:3, 376:10,
376:16, 376:23, 378:18, 378:22, 379:8,
379:24, 380:2, 380:16, 380:20, 381:1,
382:2, 383:7, 383:15, 383:16, 383:23,
384:1, 384:6, 384:11, 385:13, 385:20,
390:4, 390:13, 391:7, 401:8, 401:9,
402:1, 408:7, 408:12, 409:2, 409:13,
410:4, 410:6, 411:6, 411:12, 412:7,
414:10, 431:1, 449:10, 451:16, 458:3,
465:22, 465:23
WALI [1] - 219:6
Wali's [10] - 327:6, 331:12, 341:2,
341:24, 362:17, 363:1, 364:4, 365:7,
372:12, 391:8
walk [1] - 370:22
walked [2] - 299:19, 309:7
Walmart [1] - 443:9
wants [5] - 235:3, 314:25, 416:13,
429:10, 447:8
Washington [2] - 219:19, 270:11
wasted [1] - 244:20
watch [5] - 344:24, 345:1, 345:3,
345:20, 345:25
watched [2] - 345:19, 379:1
watching [8] - 243:9, 344:17, 345:4,
345:7, 346:21, 378:11, 378:13, 379:3
water [4] - 285:1, 342:13, 344:8,

344:10
Waziristan [26] - 316:1, 316:2, 316:10,
316:11, 316:21, 318:16, 319:1, 325:19,
337:15, 338:2, 338:6, 340:5, 340:10,
340:14, 340:15, 346:12, 355:16,
393:20, 396:21, 434:16, 434:19,
440:19, 440:25, 455:13, 455:16, 455:17
wear [1] - 460:14
wearing [2] - 272:5, 402:15
weather [1] - 240:10
website [3] - 429:23, 430:3
Wednesday [1] - 235:22
weed [1] - 420:15
week [15] - 248:20, 263:21, 279:5,
377:14, 391:14, 398:7, 398:8, 418:16,
419:13, 441:22, 441:23, 459:22, 460:6,
463:15, 463:16
week-long [1] - 263:21
weekend [1] - 222:7
weeks [5] - 263:21, 377:14, 391:14,
391:24, 458:11
weight [5] - 225:2, 238:3, 238:21,
238:23, 311:10
welcome [3] - 232:17, 350:24, 351:2
whatsoever [3] - 239:25, 240:14,
240:22
whch [1] - 267:2
white [4] - 368:21, 403:4, 456:14,
456:16
Whoa [1] - 236:9
whole [3] - 229:15, 345:1, 419:19
widely [1] - 277:1
wife [14] - 248:21, 250:9, 322:25,
330:22, 336:22, 336:23, 336:25,
352:15, 388:21, 388:22, 399:19,
399:23, 429:10, 430:23
willing [2] - 228:14, 416:18
willingly [3] - 228:9, 229:9, 394:23
wind [1] - 276:24
window [1] - 353:20
windows [1] - 368:15
Windows [1] - 253:20
Windows-based [1] - 253:20
WINGE [1] - 219:15
wired [4] - 304:12, 304:20, 306:6,
306:24
wiretaps [1] - 245:21
wise [1] - 355:18
wishes [1] - 225:4
withdrawn [8] - 340:17, 365:5, 372:7,
374:23, 379:2, 379:22, 392:16, 414:16
witness [39] - 234:13, 235:3, 235:11,
239:10, 252:1, 254:20, 260:3, 262:18,
272:11, 283:18, 287:7, 287:24, 293:22,
302:3, 303:12, 309:23, 310:25, 311:1,
313:13, 313:18, 313:22, 313:24,
345:15, 345:19, 359:12, 361:8, 388:14,
400:14, 401:19, 404:24, 407:5, 413:3,
415:14, 431:24, 440:9, 466:6, 466:7,
467:5, 467:10
Witness [2] - 345:16, 350:5

WITNESS [25] - 252:10, 262:23,
305:17, 307:13, 307:16, 307:19, 308:6,
314:5, 314:7, 314:24, 315:4, 315:6,
328:3, 382:18, 382:23, 383:1, 383:5,
383:7, 388:8, 408:1, 432:7, 436:23,
441:14, 452:20, 454:12
witness' [1] - 236:7
witnesses [7] - 234:23, 235:11,
245:13, 311:7, 467:4, 467:8, 467:11
wives [2] - 337:1, 352:21
woman [1] - 402:3
women [4] - 352:22, 400:2, 416:13
word [11] - 227:19, 228:16, 231:21,
231:23, 239:8, 365:17, 366:7, 366:8,
366:17, 366:25, 367:14
words [2] - 246:16, 251:15
works [1] - 340:7
world [3] - 247:4, 258:4, 428:2
worried [3] - 355:21, 373:18, 373:22
worry [3] - 342:10, 383:19, 441:11
worse [2] - 334:9
write [2] - 396:12, 446:19
writes [2] - 397:13, 397:16
writing [2] - 350:23, 441:7
wrote [3] - 220:10, 430:25, 441:10
Y
Yahoo [1] - 288:6
yahoo.com [1] - 268:5
Yassin [1] - 340:4
year [6] - 242:13, 409:5, 417:13,
417:16, 423:7, 453:22
years [29] - 221:13, 221:19, 241:1,
244:11, 244:12, 247:24, 248:24,
249:15, 263:11, 329:1, 329:2, 329:23,
335:24, 339:1, 346:22, 375:19, 384:2,
385:2, 396:3, 396:4, 397:20, 417:9,
420:9, 423:5, 448:13, 448:18, 448:24,
449:1, 462:25
yellow [2] - 248:19, 418:13
yellow-cab [1] - 248:19
YORK [1] - 219:1
York [62] - 219:5, 219:15, 219:23,
220:2, 220:14, 242:2, 242:20, 246:17,
246:19, 247:15, 248:19, 253:3, 258:17,
259:13, 262:3, 269:21, 274:25, 275:3,
275:6, 275:13, 275:15, 275:22, 275:23,
276:21, 276:25, 286:12, 289:22,
293:10, 308:8, 308:11, 336:14, 339:17,
340:23, 346:13, 346:25, 354:23,
355:19, 355:24, 356:3, 356:7, 356:13,
360:13, 360:14, 377:10, 392:18,
392:20, 405:12, 405:16, 424:12,
433:14, 439:14, 441:24, 451:23,
451:24, 453:1, 460:10, 460:16, 460:24,
463:10
young [1] - 410:8
younger [2] - 402:5, 407:25
ANTHONY M. MANCUSO,
CSR
27
youngest [1] - 341:24

yourself [17] - 316:2, 321:8, 321:22,
322:5, 342:3, 355:5, 355:12, 364:14,
374:13, 432:4, 434:12, 435:17, 437:20,
452:16, 456:2, 456:5, 465:1
yourselves [2] - 235:21, 236:11
Z
Zafarmal [3] - 283:8, 283:12, 288:5
Zaheer [36] - 312:22, 313:3, 325:9,
325:17, 326:5, 326:11, 326:13, 341:16,
352:13, 352:14, 352:15, 352:20,
356:14, 356:19, 357:5, 357:6, 357:7,
357:11, 357:15, 357:21, 358:8, 359:2,
359:4, 362:6, 362:9, 363:2, 363:4,
363:7, 363:8, 363:9, 363:16, 363:17,
364:6, 364:8, 365:9, 414:10
Zaheer's [2] - 330:23, 363:1
Zaher [24] - 319:22, 319:23, 320:13,
320:14, 378:8, 379:8, 380:6, 380:16,
380:20, 380:23, 382:4, 383:7, 409:12,
429:2, 429:10, 430:5, 430:14, 430:18,
431:3, 431:7, 432:14, 432:16, 432:18
Zaher's [2] - 429:6, 429:11
zahid [2] - 266:3, 267:16
Zahid [1] - 267:14
Zarein [22] - 255:23, 257:5, 259:2,
259:9, 275:17, 315:24, 316:5, 317:10,
318:8, 318:14, 318:25, 355:4, 355:5,
355:12, 355:16, 389:21, 390:14,
392:13, 393:10, 395:22, 396:21, 440:25
Zarin [13] - 336:10, 336:11, 336:15,
336:18, 336:22, 336:25, 337:9, 338:1,
338:4, 339:16, 340:5, 340:13, 388:1
Zazi [184] - 221:2, 221:12, 221:18,
222:4, 222:8, 224:7, 225:24, 227:17,
227:25, 228:2, 228:15, 229:11, 230:6,
231:4, 232:20, 233:4, 234:1, 241:19,
242:6, 242:13, 242:14, 243:10, 243:11,
244:8, 246:13, 246:14, 246:21, 246:24,
247:5, 247:10, 247:13, 247:18, 247:23,
248:4, 248:7, 248:10, 248:14, 249:1,
249:6, 249:10, 249:12, 249:15, 249:22,
250:4, 250:12, 250:16, 250:19, 251:1,
251:17, 251:18, 255:10, 256:2, 257:5,
257:19, 258:7, 260:8, 260:23, 260:25,
262:7, 266:15, 266:21, 266:22, 267:25,
270:25, 271:5, 271:8, 271:15, 271:18,
272:4, 272:15, 272:24, 273:5, 273:11,
273:17, 274:5, 274:6, 274:11, 274:15,
277:19, 277:21, 280:5, 281:14, 292:5,
292:6, 293:9, 295:7, 295:23, 296:6,
296:15, 296:16, 296:20, 297:10,
297:24, 298:24, 299:16, 299:20,
300:15, 301:9, 301:18, 301:22, 302:8,
302:15, 302:17, 303:10, 304:7, 305:10,
305:20, 308:7, 308:14, 309:5, 309:12,
309:15, 309:19, 311:2, 312:14, 312:16,
312:18, 312:20, 313:1, 314:5, 314:7,
314:16, 315:9, 315:23, 316:13, 316:19,
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402:21, 403:13, 404:9, 404:18, 405:3,
405:14, 406:1, 408:7, 408:12, 409:2,
409:9, 409:13, 410:4, 411:6, 411:12,
414:7, 414:17, 414:25, 415:2, 416:2,
418:13, 421:8, 421:19, 424:7, 449:10,
450:1, 450:7, 450:21, 451:3, 451:7,
451:12, 453:12, 454:17, 454:23,
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ZAZI [1] - 219:6
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zazmjhd@yahoo.com [3] - 282:15,
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Case 1:10-cr-00060-JG Document 172 Filed 08/18/11 Page 1 of 280 PageID #: 1076

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

MOHAMMED WALI ZAZI

July 18, 2011

HONORABLE JOHN GLEESON

For the Defendant:

COLSON & HARRIS LLP

Burton H. Sulzer, OCR CM

Minutes Taken Stenographically.

(Open court-case called-appearances noted.)

We have a small issue

with Alternate Six, whose employer wrote me on Friday

afternoon suggesting that it would be too much of a financial

burden for her to serve.

I don't really care about the employer, the

Princeton club of New York, but if the financial concern

emanates from the juror herself it's a different story.

I'm going to ask Ilene to probe a little bit to see whether

it's just the employer's concern or her own.

Are you ready with your opening statements?

matters that we wanted to raise.

Yes, your Honor.

We do have two very brief

Before we do that, Ilene didn't swear

the interpreters yet.

(Interpreters sworn: Naim Saidi and Nasir Ahmad.)

The first is with respect to Amanullah

Zazi -- and the reason we are raising it because the

government had told us they are calling him to testify this

We would like to introduce some calls into evidence

on our cross-examination of a monologue between him and our

client in which our client refers to Amanallah as son.

The government has told us that they believe these

believe they do.

We should let you know that we intend to argue at

That our client and Amanallah Zazi

and that they developed a father/son relationship over time.

We do not believe that that opens the door.

relationship that developed.

I take it there is not going to be any

dispute that he's not actually his son?

We are not disputing that.

fact signed a stipulation that says that Amanullah Zazi is not

the biological child of our client.

We should also let your Honor know that the

government informed us this weekend that they have indicted

Mr. Zazi in the Southern District on the immigration fraud.

So that case is now open and pending, which is another factor

for consideration in deciding what we may or may not argue at

THE COURT: The statute hasn't run on the most recent

When was that?

When was the fraud?

The most recent percolation of it in the

I believe it was January of 2007.

The case wasn't brought here

because it's all venued in Southern?

The case was originally brought here

and the defendant moved to dismiss.

That's the first issue.

issue that the government has given us a list of proposed

calls they would like --

issue, give you a ruling now?