20000624USA_ALACHUA_DARSHAN SRILA PRABHUPADA DISCIPLES TAPE 159

rla Gurudeva: I dont want to make anyone fit for worldly life. I have knife to cut. Devotee: Jaya Gurudeva! rla Gurudeva: And now you are going to be old. Devotee: Yes. rla Gurudeva: Your age? Over 50? Devotee: 50 now. This is it. rla Gurudeva: So, you have passed half. You should be in what stage? Vnaprastha. And then again Brajantha dsa: Last night he was in saffron. (laughter amongst devotees). Devotee: No he wasnt. Devotee: Its dangerous. rla Gurudeva: Dangerous, very dangerous. You can sit here. (Laughter amongst devotees.) If you are sitting there always chance of like that. Devotee: I want this. I wantdsa. Im holding forever. rla Gurudeva: You should be prepared for that. Because your wife has left. Devotee: Yes. rla Gurudeva: No need of (indistinct). You should try to be the maidservant of gops now. And serve your Prabhupda. More qualified than anyone in ISKCON. Devotee: I will need to rla Gurudeva: Yes, you should be

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Devotee: be with you, Gurudeva rla Gurudeva: Yes. Devotee: I am very weak by myself. rla Gurudeva: I will guide you. I will give you some lessons. Some lokas to remember and thus you can preach like that. Then, what? Why you called all? To speak this? They can speak what they want. Devotee: Then want to come and have some association with you. Maybe someone has some questions theyd like rla Gurudeva: Yes, they can Devotee: to put. Anyone have any questions? Devotee: About the gyatr mantra. rla Gurudeva: Help me. Brajantha dsa: About gyatr mantra. rla Gurudeva: Not open. These are not things to be opened. Brajantha dsa: Its not to be discussed openly. This is private gyatr. Devotee: Oh, I was just wondering whether you can help me with the gyatr mantra because I heard it rla Gurudeva: Your Gurudeva have given it Devotee: yeah, in 19 rla Gurudeva: and be very fixed and have so much faith on him. Devotee: But I dont know too much about the meaning

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rla Gurudeva: No need of knowing. Gyatr mantra is Himself Ka. If you have so much regard for gyatr mantra and pray that, Oh, you should be manifested in my heart. And I am giving so much outlines. In any mantra there is deity. Understand? Brajantha dsa: Predominating deity. rla Gurudeva: We should try to have faith that He is my master. He can support and nourish me. And we will have to be aragati to that deity. And then tma-nivedana. By tm. And then chanting and remembering. You will be successful. Like Gopa-kumra. He never knew the meaning of Gopla mantra but doing, doing in thousands of birth he knew. But Rpa-Santana, Rpa-Raguntha, as a miracle they did their disciples in one life. You shouldif you are in my association, very easily it will come and you will advance. But behave faith in your Gurudeva that he has not died, he is not far away from you, and I am helping you. And have faith like ik guru to me. And then everything will be done. I dont want money, prestige Devotee: Followers. rla Gurudeva: anything, I dont want. I want to help you so that you can serve your guru. Devotee: I was wondering if you could explain something aboutin the Gauya Maha there is Rdh-Ka with Lord Caitanya, only. And I just set up an altar like that in my home but I dont exactly understand the relationship of Lord Caitanya with Rdh-Ka. How to see that? rla Gurudeva: You should know the meaning that Mahprabhu is really Ka. Oh, here not writing that you will only writing. You should hear totally and then you could write anything. Otherwise you can not understand. Your mind will be divided into two. Ka isMahprabhu is same thing like Ka, blackish Ka. He is Supreme Personality of Godhead. He took the beauty and intrinsic mood of Rdhik and that is why He is golden colored. Always in the mood of Rdhik, but Ka. So, if Rdh-Ka conjugal, their deities are there and if Mahprabhu is there, Oh, He is the same as Rdh-Ka. But if, instead of Mahprabhu, Baladeva prabhu is there then He is different. He can not be with Rdh-Ka because He is not Ka.

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Understand these things? So, anyone can not be Rdh-Ka conjugal. With Ka Baladeva may be like Gaura-Niti. But where there is Rdh-Ka Baladeva prabhu and Niti both can not be there. It is rasbhsa, against rsa. Then everything will be spoiled. You know that where Rdh-Ka conjugal and Baladeva coming there. What will be? Rdh will go away. He will do prama. And Baladeva will never go there. Never. He knows all these things, etiquette. So, we should know that Mahprabhu is same as Rdh-Ka conjugal. So, Mahprabhu can be there but not Gaura-Niti. They can not. Baladeva prabhu can not be. Nsihadeva can not be. More dangerous. Nsihadeva can not be. Devotee: Not possible to put rla Gurudeva: Anyone can not be. Only guru can be but he will be in the shape of gops. Not in this male shape. You should heardont talk. Devotee: Im trying to understand how I should see Lord Caitanya. Should I see Him as guru? As a way to approach Rdh-Ka? rla Gurudeva: Oh, you should hear my classes. So many things to know. In one day this doubt can not go. Gradually. From graduallyground, you are in ground and from ground you will have to come. Then there will be no question about this. Again from your gyatr mantra daily chanting. Have you gyatr mantra? You should chant your mantra more. Read the authentic books Bhgavata, Gt, and Caitanya-caritmta. The books of Svmji, books of mine very attentively and gradually you will develop. Your all doubts will go away. Devotee: One of our godbrothers has written a book about gyatr mantra. rla Gurudeva: I think it will not be authentic. I know because they dont know anything. They can something but they have no realization. They have not heard from superiors. They have copied from here - this book, that book. It will not do. I know. If (unknown) Mahrja has done, if Svmji himself he has done, anyone, like Jva Gosvm has done, it will be authentic. We can not do. Vivantha Cakravart hkura, oh, he is authentic. More authentic Gopla Guru and af-4-

ter him is Dhyancandra pandit. These are authentic. I think that if you read so many confusion and doubts will come and thus your bhajana will be ruined. Devotee: Gurudeva, but if Mahrja, rla Prabhupda, instructed someone to write something specific like 12th canto of rmad Bhgavatam rla Gurudeva: I dont believe. Then can tell like this. I dont believe. He has told simple things because at that time they were like beginners. For beginners it can not be given so much high things. And he can not order it. Brajantha dsa: But he has given order that they should finish the rmad Bhgavatam, 12th canto and 11th canto. Pradyumna prabhu. We met in New York. rla Gurudeva: Yes, but how he can do? He has no connection with Gurudeva. Brajantha dsa: At that time they kicked him out. Devotee: He was to do it with guidance of rla rdhar Mahrja. rla Gurudeva: Yes, that is why they kicked him. Devotee: I have to be very honest Mahrja. I was there when Hridayananda Mahrja was composing Bhgavatam and he was having a subtle illicit affair with a woman. While he was translating 10th canto. rla Gurudeva: What? What? Brajantha dsa: NoNo rla Gurudeva: I dont Brajantha dsa: dont want to hear this rla Gurudeva: but those who are going to atheletics, colleges, and universities, how they make do? They can make so many doubts and everything. They can not write. They have no power to do this. Better they should original what Vysadeva has written or what your Gurudeva has done. No need of reading more. It will be better. And only translation of Vysadeva what he has done authentic. But if they will explain they will do blunder like Srvabhauma Bhacrya.

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You know vednta? He was hearing Mahprabhu. Mahprabhu told that the original stras are like sun. But when you are explaining these are like clouds. So, I think that explanation may be Devotee: rla Nryaa Mahrja, is it possible that you would give us the part that is absent from the Bhgavatam? rla Gurudeva: I want but I have no time now. Ka should give me long life and intelligence and mercy. Especially I want the mercy of Caitanya Mahprabhu and Rpa Gosvm, Jva Gosvm. I have written on Veu-Gta. I have written some other things but I want to do whole. But if Ka likes. Following the commentaries of Vivantha Cakravart hkura, Jva Gosvm, and Santana Gosvm. Like have done Gt. I am satisfied, fully satisfied, what I have done on Gt. That explanation has been divided into two first Svmji Gt As It Is, after that this. After finishing Svmji one can read this and he can have more, more, more things. Because he has taken some of Baladeva Vidybhaa and I have taken the guru of Baladeva Vidybhaa. So many things are there. In Baladeva Vidybhaa prabhus so many tattva are there. And this tattva plus rsa. Both. What is time? 10 minutes. Any problem? Devotee: No problem. Devotee: Some of the devotees were asking me if Prabhupda was present in Mahprabhus pastimes. rla Gurudeva: Why you want to know this? Devotee: I can tell you in private. rla Gurudeva: Why not question that Bhaktisiddhnta Sarasvat or not, Bhaktivinoda hkura, all. Why this question comes? Devotee: It is a private matter. I can not discuss. rla Gurudeva: If he is a liberated associate of Mahprabhu there should be no doubt at all that he was there or not. If doubt comes then you have no faith on him.

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Devotee: No doubt. rla Gurudeva: But you have no faith like that. That is why question coming. If you are certain, Oh, he was there. He was liberated. But again question will come from you side, Who was he at that time? Devotee: Different time. rla Gurudeva: I think that it will be better that you obey your Gurudeva and try to develop your Ka consciousness. I think we should not try to give our time in these questions. How to develop. The process, how we can take. How we can realize all these things. How we can be one-pointed. Not looking here and there. All desires should go away. How? All offenses and all kinds of unwanted things should go away. When I will see this world but not, what? Like I am seeing any forest but I am seeing Vndvana. When a day will come. I will see this world but like Vndvana. I will see all them like gopa, gops. Even any river, sea, what? Devotees: Yamun, Klind. rla Gurudeva: So, we should try for this. When you will forget whole world then you can be. By the mercy of devotee (indistinct). And if, Oh, this problem very big problem. Oh, this problem VERY big problem. How you can remove? Then whole life you will removing problems and problems of webs coming. More? Devotee: rla Gurudeva. rla Gurudeva: What? Devotee: What is the fate of those who try to exploit or use the guru, or gurus property, and how can they rectify themselves? rla Gurudeva: They can not correct. They have given up. Devotee: Derailed. rla Gurudeva: Derailed. Gurudeva will reject them. Devotee: Can they ever return in some manner?
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rla Gurudeva: If they will be sincere, repenting, they continue on. I have done wrong, oh, Gurudeva excuse me. I am yours. Then he will begin his journey again from the beginning. The guru niha is backbone of our bhajana. Backbone you know? Devotee: Holds everything. rla Gurudeva: If no guru niha no (indistinct), hes not devotee. Not devotee. He is more wretched than common person, those who are not doing bhajana. We should try to give more importance to ravaa, krtanam, viu smaraam, like this. Chanting, remembering mantras. Then earning money and in family you are giving so much energy. Then Ka bhakti will come. And if you are not giving importance then what? Deviating, deviating, deviating and one day you will give up bhakti. All the devotees you can see their character. Rpa, Raghuntha, Santana Gosvm, Vivantha Cakravart hkura, Bhaktivinoda hkura, rla Prabhupda, your Gurudeva also. What they did?
eta saba chi ra varrama-dharma akicana ha laya kaika-araa [Without hesitation, one should take exclusive shelter of Lord Ka with full confidence, giving up bad association and even neglecting the regulative principles of the four varas and four ramas. That is to say, one should abandon all material attachment. CC Madhya (22.93)]

You know? Eta saba chi ra varrama-dharma giving up all varrama-dharma. Akicana ha laya akicana means? Devotee: He became akicana possessionless. Devotee: Having nothing. rla Gurudeva: Only one Ka is his possession. varrama-dharma / akicana ha laya kaika-araa.
araa la kare ke tma-samarpaa ka tre kare tat-kle tma-sama [When a devotee thus fully surrenders unto Kas lotus feet, Ka accepts him as one of His confidential associates.

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CC Madhya (22.102)]

Devotee: Then Ka accepts that person as good as Himself. rla Gurudeva: And then he begins his bhajana. Otherwise not. Eta saba all worldly things giving up. Even varrama-dharma means wife, sister, husband, all. No attachment. Like Draupad, like Arjuna, Bhma. They had wives. They used to love their wives. Why? Because she was so much near and dear sakh of Ka. Draupad used to love her husbands. Why? Not to husbands. Because they were all surrendered to Ka. Ka used to serve them so Draupad loved them. So, even ghastha, but like that. Their children and all. Like Abhimanyu and all others. Parkit Mahrja, you know? Like the son of, grandson of Ka, who he again discovered Vndvana, Vajranabha. Like this. We should not think that we are ladies and we are very weak. I know they can be sometimes Chandi, more than Chandi. You should think that we are also powerful. Ka has given them so much, what? Brajantha dsa: Good qualities. rla Gurudeva: Concessions. Oh, you should not do like all these things. You can give some preparations, very sweet and Ka will be happy and He will give you all His heart. For male. Brajantha dsa: They want possessions, ego. rla Gurudeva: They have so many problems. To control all. They want to control their wife also, children also, even guru, even all. They will tell, Oh, sister, give me water. Mother, give me water. Daughter, give me water. Not giving water. This is the defect for males. Always controlling. And they are controlled. But sometimes they become very weak. This is the problem. So, you should try to be like that and serve Ka. Dont be weak. Whether you are ghastha or renounced. Hare Ka, Hare Ka, Ka Ka, Hare Hare/ Hare Rma, Hare Rma, Rma Rma, Hare Hare Oh, you are sleeping, I told you so many things. Useless I told all these things. You are disciple of Svmji? Oh! He told that you should go and sleep in the consul of devotees? Oh, you are following his orders. Very good. If he has told you and you can follow him, no harm. Brajantha dsa: Quarter to twelve.

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rla Gurudeva: What? Devotee: I hear rla Prabhupda used to write you every month while he was with us. rla Gurudeva: Yes, he wrote me and I used to answer. Devotee: Those letters are gone? rla Gurudeva: Satsvarupa took it and vas. Never returned. Devotee: Gurudeva. When you are chanting the holy name, harinma, what (indistinct)? rla Gurudeva: Oh, you can not imagine. You can not. In hundreds of lives you can not. You should tell only, Oh, prabhu. I am very wretched, fallen. You should save me. Take my all doubts. All offenses. Offenses are enemy. And those who have passed this stage, oh, more. Any high-class, like Raghuntha Dsa Gosvm, he will go by his siddha-deha to Goloka Vndvana and serving Ka. You can not imagine. Very high. Any devotee like this they are chanting and not in this world. Never. Where they are? They are in Ka and Rdh and serving them with that body, siddha-deha. It is very hard to understand for general people. Now Gaura premnande! Devotee: Hari hari bol! Audience: Thank you rla Gurudeva. rla Gurudeva: Thank you. One person in whole is understanding and following, what I should think? Brajantha dsa: Successful. rla Gurudeva: My preaching is successful. Surely my preaching here is successful. All the devotees are inspired. So, this credit goes to (28:52 indistinct). He invited and taking all the burden on hisSo much thank you. And also not fully to you, your wife also. Brajantha dsa: Anuradha. Devotee: Your embarrassing Gurudeva. If I just invite and you werent coming, no one would come. So, my power is nothing.
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Brajantha dsa: But burden is for you. Devotee: I can rent tent only. rla Gurudeva: You can bring me. You can drag me from India. You have power to do so. Devotee: Its the desire of the devotees, of the vaiavas, and youve responded very kindly to their desire, to fulfill their desire. We are feeling the need for some guidance, for some instruction and Prabhupda has made arrangement that this instruction has appeared almost as if by magic. Devotee: Ask Gurudeva not to leave. rla Gurudeva: I know that he has sprinkled his mercy otherwise anyone can not do like this. And he is always with me, in me. I know. Inspiring me. And what I am telling, their words, not my words. Devotee: Mahrja, can you make a promise, because when rla Prabhupda was here it was so difficult even to see him and I see differences between ISKCON and ourselves here as actually an opportunity to get more association with you. rla Gurudeva: What he tell? Brajantha dsa: He is telling that if you can make a promise, when rla Prabhupda was here it was very hard to meet with him rla Gurudeva: But you are seeing I am available for all. Devotee: I understand. I understand but rla Gurudeva: Anyone can not control me. Brajantha dsa: His promise is that, what is your promise? Devotee: Even if all the differences are made up Brajantha dsa: between ISKCON and Devotee: they will not take our Vndvana away from us, yourself.

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Brajantha dsa: He says that even if all the differences between us and ISKCON society, institution, are taken away, that still you will be available, that you can meet with everyone. rla Gurudeva: I am always available. Always, always. Brajantha dsa: He is worried if you go to ISKCON then they want to control you and no more availability. rla Gurudeva: I am still in ISKCON I am not Devotees: HARIBOL! rla Gurudeva: Anyone can not have right to take this. I have full right for this. I was always ISKCON, I am still, and for my whole life I will be ISKCON. Devotee: Maya ISKCON and real ISKCON. Devotee: Gurudeva, I have one question that I spoke with you last year and I am reluctant to ask you again. But we discussed about the subject of guru. There has been confusion, lots of papers written about the guru and who is guru. I know you always want us to think on the positive and you are reluctant to make any reference to anything else but in Prabhupdas books there are hundreds reference of different guru. Uttam-adhikr that is always the prime focus. But theres other types of gurus. Is any other guru, other than uttam-adhikr, acceptable by a conditioned soul, to take even if temporary. rla Gurudeva: What temporary? What is your meaning of temporary? Devotee: That means he may take him for life or he may take him short time until he meets rla Gurudeva: If anyone is not uttam-adhikr and he is in madhyama-adhikr he can be accepted as a guru if he is sincere and always serving his Gurudeva and in the line of our guru parampar. Whether he not so much realization but he is very strong, chanting and remembering in high way, he can be accepted like guru. He will never fall down. So, we can accept him and then he will take us to uttam-adhikr, surely he will take us. And if he is uttam-adhikr but he is posing like madhyama-adhikr and initiating and giving association, oh, he is always uttam-adhikr.

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ukadeva Gosvm came in the consul of Parkit Mahrja he became like madhyama-adhikr. He saw that, Oh, they are all karm, jn, yogi, tapas. This is not qualification of uttam-adhikr. He will say that all are serving, all are uttam-adhikr. But for time being he was like so. And when he went out of the consul again he became like this. Today vas. Devotees: rla Gurudeva k jaya!

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