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ALEXANDROJODOROWSKY ForaMutationoftheHuman Consciousness

"Youareexcrement.Youcanchange yourselfintogold",Alejandro Jodorowskyexplainsinhisfilm The HolyMountain.BecauseJodorowsky thealchemistuseshisworkasan athanor.Theinitiationismadeupof films( Fando&Lys,ElTopo,Santa Sangre...),ofstripcartoons( LIncal, createdwithMoebius, LaCastedes Mtabarrons,createdwith Gimnez...),ofbooksandofthe Tarot.AlexandroJodorowskyindeed dispensesthephilosophyoftheTarot eachWednesdayinaParisiancafe, justtohelpthosewhosuffer.Thepoet sowstheseedsofconsciousness.This interviewtookplaceafewminutes beforeoneofthesereadings.
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Couldyoutellussomethingabout theTarot? TheoriginsoftheTarotremain unknown.Weonlyknowthatit alreadyexistedinhe13thCentury. Iveseenyoureadingthecards beforeandInoticedthatitcould helppeople. Yes,ithelpspeople,otherwisethey wouldntcome.Anditisnotacrime totrytohelppeople.Ithasnothingto dowithbeingselfcentered.Andit doesntmeanthatyoutakeyourself foramagicianoraguru.Itisjust beingsomeonegoodwhowantsto helpotherpeopleyousufferwhen youseepeoplesuffering.Thereisno mystery.TheTarot,justlikelifein general,hasanairofmagic.Lifeis notsomethingrational.Forexample, foratleast8hoursadayyouenter intoaworldmadeofdreams. Inabookdealingwiththe mutationshumanitycanexpect, onecanreadaboutthemutations thatChernobylbringson.Theres alsoaninterviewinthatbookin whichyouexplainhowtocontrol dreams.Yourworkisdealingwith themutationofourconsciousness. Whichformwillthismutation take? TheChernobylmutationsthatyou mentionedarenegativemutations. Butyoucanfindpositivemutations too.Weshouldworktocreatea mutationinthespiritofcommon people.Becausetheymaketheworld goround,theyvoteandmakewar, andnotthepoliticianstheyvechosen. Dontyouthinkitwouldbegoodto takecareofthemasses?Imnot goingtochangetheworld.Iintendto begintochangeit.Nobodycanchange theworld.Butwecanstartchanging it. Afteryourrets. Bueno.Itseemstobesurrealistic becausetheseactsarenotrational.I givethemametaphorinordertotalk totheirunconscious.Andthe unconsciousisnotsomethingrational, itissurrealistic.Itdoesntobeythe lawsofdailylife.Everydaylifeis surrealistic.Ijustreadinthepaper thatatwinridingabicyclewas crushedbyatrucktwodaysago.And twohourslaterinthesameplacehis brotherwascrushedbyanothertruck. Itisabsolutelysurrealistic.Everyday lifeismadeofmiracles,weirdand inexplicableevents.Thereisno borderlinebetweenrealityandmagic. Areyousatisfiedbythewayour societiesaredealingwithreality? Itsdifferentineverycountry.Lets justsaythatinFrancethereisavery unpleasantsituation.Franceisavery cartesianandannoyingcountrywhere thespiritisawfullydecadent.Thereis aliteraryandevenphilosophical decline.Youonlyhavetowatch television,orreadsuccessfulbooks, thatcleverlydealwithsexandnothing else.Ifinditverysad. Doyouhaveanyprojectsatthe moment? Idonthaveanyprojects.Iact instinctively.Iworkpeacefullyon plays,exhibits,twentybooksatthe sametime.Iampreparingtwoor

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sametime.Iampreparingtwoor threeorfourfilms.Imtryingtomake afilmentitled Abel&Can.Cinema dependsoneconomicsanditishardto findfundingtomakethefilmsIwant tomake.ButthearrivalofDV camerashaschangedtherulesand givenindiefilmmakersthe opportunitytoproducetheirownfilms. Thisisthebirthofanewwayof expressingourselves,thatwillmake usforgettheindustrialproduction. Youarealsointerestedinpoetry. Poetryismymaininterest,Iam passionatelyfondofit.Youcanfinda realpoeticrevolutiononaplanetary level.Someyoungpeoplepublish poetry.Theycommunicatethanksto networks,exactlyliketerroristsdo. Butpoetryremainsconfidentialand notindustrial. Howdoyouseethefutureof humanity? Humankindwillliveasmanyyearsas theuniverse.Itwillliveuntiltheend oftheuniverse.Itisitsgoal.Itwill thenbeacknowledgedbythewhole universeandwillbecomeits consciousness.Thenitwillcreate anotheruniverse. Youareoneofthefewartiststhat havealargeaudiencewhodares toilluminatepeoplewith fulguration. WhyshouldItrytotouchpeople throughpolitics?Iamnotinterested inpoliticalrevolution,Iamonly interestedinpoeticrevolution.Why shouldntItrytotouchpeopleby spiritualmeans?Ihaveaspirit.Ican feelit.WhyshouldIlimitmyselfto beingarationalbeingwhenIfeelmy unconsciousisasbigasanocean? AndwhyshouldIseemyselfas limitedwhenIfeelthatmythoughts areunlimited?WhyshouldIconsider myselfashavingbeendefinedwhenI feelindefinable? Willthisnewwayofthinking engendernewpolitics,anew ecology? Whoknows?Iamthewheelsofan infinitegearing.ButhereIam. Youmayhavebecomeawareofit inastrongwaythanother people? Youshouldntthinksomeonelikeme wantstocomparehimselftoanyone.I wouldbeadespicableperson.Icould neversaythatIrankovertheothers. Idonthavethespiritofachampion.I havethespiritofaSaint,aSaint Citizenwhohasnothingtodowith religion.Iamlookingforholinessfirst ofall.Notforsexualholiness,but spiritualholiness.Whenyouare lookingforholinessyoucantbelieve yourankovertheothers.AndIdont thinkIamdifferenteither.BecauseI knowmyessence,atleastIthinkI knowit.AndbybelievingIknowmy essence,Icanfeelit.Andbyfeeling it,inmyownway,Ifeelitinothers. ThenIfeelequaltoanybeing.Ifeel thesupremeequality,Ifeelaunion witheverything. DoyouthinkFrenchpeoplefeelit too? IcantseeFrenchpeople,Icanonly seehumanbeings."French"isonly thesuperficialpart,nobodys"French". Aboveall,werehumanbeings,we mustgorighttotheessential.The mostsimplelooksforus.Whatwere lookingforseeksusout.TheGrail doesntlookforChristsblood,the GrailreceivestheHolyBloodandthen poursiteitherintothelipsofa believer,orontotheground.The Chinesesay:"Perceptibletowardthe skyandactivetowardtheground".We arereceptaclesdesignedforgiving,

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arereceptaclesdesignedforgiving, notmadeforkeeping. Designedtobedissolved? Werelikeclouds.Itisthetangible whichgetsdissolved.Consciousness cannotbedissolvedbecauseitsnot physical. Isiteternal? Inaway,yes,itis.Buttheindividual isnot.Thelawsoftheuniverseare everlasting,andthatisconsciousness. So,insidemethereiseternityas insideyou.Nothingisbeingdissolved. Isthereatransformationofthe soul? Thereisablossoming.Thesoulopens itself,itdoesntgetaltered.Theseed flowers.Thesoulisliketheplant.If weareexhaustivewithoursoul, consciousnessisimmutable.Itdoesnt obeyalteration,becauseitsbothout ofspaceandoutoftime.Ifthesoul werepartofbothspaceandtime,it wouldchange.Whatiscalled consciousnessistheconsciousnucleus. Thisnucleuscannotchange,itis immutableoverthousandsofyears, fromsocalledbirthuntilsocalled deathandbeyond.Immutable. ElementarymydearWatson. Logical... Assoonaswereusingwords,werein thefieldoflogic.Buttruthhasnever beenwords.Ifyouwanttofindthe truthandgetinsidetherealworld, thenyouhavetoleavewords.The intellectismadeupofwords,the mindisnt.Itsanenergythatgainsits strengthincompletesilence. Inafewminutesyoullbereaching thebroadmassofFrenchpeople... YouinsistonconsideringFrance.You know,thereareItalians,Germans, Chileans,thereareallsortsof nationalities.Aslongasweseethe worldthroughasinglelanguageand throughasinglenationality,were restricted.Wehavetobeof multinationalandmultilingual. Languages,nationalitiesandtraditions areaprisonwehavetofree ourselvesfromthem.Countriesare likechildrenwhomustgrowupuntil becominganonlyplanet.The Basques,Palestinians,Israelisetc... thosepeoplewhostrugglefortheir ownlittleidentification,myGodits... Thisverycivilizationisnonsense. Weregoingtothrowitintothe trashbinsofhistory.Allthese restrictionsmakeuschoosepoliticians whosuituswell.Nobodybelievesin politiciansanymore.Wehavetovote forvilepeople,sodoI.Theyreallas vileasoneanother.Thereare gangstersandthieves.Nobody believesinthem,oradmiresthem,or likesthem.Andtheywouldliketo makeyouvoteforthem,knowing neverthelessthattheyarethepuppets oftheeconomyandthatbehinditall, therearethebankers.Ithasto change,itspitiful.Maskshavefallen down.Theyaretheservantsofasick andcriminaleconomy.Eachoneof themhastogivehislittleounceof dreamtocollectiveconsciousness. Howdidyoureacttoattackson Sept11th? Iwasabsolutelyagainstbothsides. TheUShasgivenbirthtoagolemand thegolemhasrisenupagainstit.And nowwereallpayingforthissituation, anappallingsituationonbothsides. WeshouldbombardIsraeland Palestinewitharainofpoemsthat say:"Thatsenough,packofsilly buggers,thatsenough,stopit,thisis foolish".Andwehavetodoitonboth sides.Thesewars,justlikethosewho aremakingthem,arestupidand useless.TheGood,theEvil,werenot

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useless.TheGood,theEvil,werenot inthemiddleagesanymore!The stockmarketsystemisstupid,the bankingsystemisstupid,theconcept ofmoneyisstupid.Wehaveto changemoney.Wemustchangethe wholesystem.Whereveryougo,you havetosowgrainsofconsciousness, anytime,anywhere.Itismostlythose whohavestudiedwhohavetodoit. Thosewhohaventstudiedwontdoit. Itisthosewhohavecultivatedtheir mindwhotalklikeIdo.IfIwerea commuter,engulfingmyselfintorap musicastheonlysocialresponseever possible,Iwouldnttalkthatway. Firstofall,youhavetodevelopyour ownself.Ivebeenlookingforpeople whohaveahigherlevelofawareness thanIhave.Andthatsthereasonwhy IgotclosertotheTarot.Tarotisa toolwhichopensupconsciousness.I alsogotclosertomartialarts,poetry andtheatre,closertoanythingthat couldpushmylimitsaway.Itisaway ofsurvival.Inthepast,Iwantedtobe amaster,nowIonlywanttobean eternalstudent.AndeverythingIwant forme,Iwantfortheothers. Sometimes,theotherscanthave whatIhave,becauseIhavethetalent andtheimagination.Ivespentyears tryingtoelaboratethem.Ivefought againstpoetry,language,style, againsteverything.ButIalsothink anybodycandosomethingwithwhat heisandwhathesgot.Wehaveto battleforamutationofthethinking andforareassessmentofmoral standards.Askmealastquestion. Howcanweendthisinterview? Thebestwaytofinishsomethingis finishingit...ButIwouldsaythat nothingeverends.Everythingcarries on.Ourpathshavemet.Youregoing tofollowyourownpathandImgoing tofollowmine.Wearenotborn,we dontdie.Everythingiscontinuation. Sinceyoualludedtotheworlds future,havealookatthislaidback cat.Ifanybodywerehappyasthis cat,theneverythingwouldbefine. Therearemomentsofpeaceinthis world,likethiscat.Ifthereisa momentofpeace,itmeansthatit exists. Peacecanbetrue,wehave evidenceofit... Theevidencehereitisyousee herewehaveamiracle.Lookatthe pleasurethatthiscathasin communicatingwithahumanbeing. Imnothismaster,Imonlyahuman being.Itcouldtakeexactlythesame pleasurewithyou.Doyouwantto see?Takethecat...Yousee...Stroke it...Hereitis,itsyours.Peaceis yours. AlexandroJodorowsky, LaDansede laralit,AlbinMichel AlexandroJodorowsky, Symbolique dutarot,CDROM,Emeria HOMESUBSCRIBECONTACT DISTRIBUTEDATLINKS VERSIONFRANCAISE
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