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Convert inquires: Are the Arabs Muslims? Bad conduct of


Arabs disqualifies them as Muslims
Poll: Are the Arabs Real Muslims? (3 member(s) have cast votes)

DO YOU AGREE WITH DR. HAMID THAT ARABS ARE BAD MUSLIMS?

1. Yes! Hamid has told the truth about Arabs! (2 votes [66.67%])

Percentage of vote: 66.67%

2. NO! Arabs are "top of the line" Muslims (1 votes [33.33%])

Percentage of vote: 33.33%

Vote

Hamid Rasool

Posted 10 May 2007 - 04:36 AM

I certainly am glad that I decided to take a close up look at Islam by going to Pakistan and
not Palestine. I have been discerning, alhamdulillah, that these Arabs cannot be Muslims,
because if they were, they would be similar to the Pakistani muslims who are producing the
"fruits" of kindness, hospitality, faith and humility, but instead the Arabs are just the
opposite. It is clear that the Arabs have never read the bible, as the Koran requires of an
educated muslim (see 5:45). You can tell that Arabs are ignorant of the Bible because they
go by the old jew law of revenge (revanche - sick! unislamic) and not of Jesus' laws of love
and forgiveness. Just consider that they are the only "muslims" showing this ick evil
visciousness in this sunnie shi'ite schism - new converts like myself are shocked to see that
people claiming to be muslims would be doing things like this to one another in the same
religion.

I accuse you arabs as follows:


YOU ARE BIGOTS! YOU THINK YOU ARE GOD'S GIFT TO MANKIND, BETTER THAN
THE OTHERS. We know this by the fact that you would never let one of your daughters
marry out of the palestinian group, making your group not only bigots but inbreds.

THE ARABS DO NOT PROMOTE ISLAM (they will deny this because they will say "well we
even invented the word DUWA (preaching)" but look at their conduct:
1. They say that important Pillars of Islam are to go to Mecca and Medina for Hajj and
Umrah; and we all know they put your Islamic Qualifications down if you don't use the
Koran in ARABIC! All of these things are BAD because they are not done to promote Islam
but to promote ARABIA one of the most desloate areas in the Allah's earth!! These things
Hajj, Umrah and Arabic are barely in the Koran, you have to search for them! THESE
THINGS ARE HOLDING BACK ISLAM because the Arabs are saying that this is what is
important in the Koran; but they thereby conceal the real thruth of the Koran which is:!

2. They are not telling anyone what the real truth of the Koran happens to be - that we must
fear Allah by obedience to his prohibitions; that we must do good deeds towards our fellow
man; that we must have faith in the munificent personality of Allah! If you are saying that
Arabic must be used, you are stupid and not a muslim. If you are promoting #1 and not #2
above you are as bad as the Arabs and will surely be barred from the upcoming kingdom

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where we will enjoy life like never before. Why aren't these Arabs telling anyone about
paradise and how good conduct, good deeds and faith are what can get us in there;.

BECAUSE OF THESE THINGS, THE ARABS PROVE THEMSELVES BY JESUS' TESTING


RULE (by their conduct (FRUITS) you will recognize what they are, whether good or bad.)
BY THIS TEST, THE ARABS ARE SHOWN TO BE JUST AS MUCH IMPOSTORS
PRETENDING TO BE THE MOST PIOUS MUSLIMS AS THEIR SEMITIC COUSINS THE
SO-CALLED "JEWS" WHO ARE NO MORE THE ORIGINAL CHOSEN PEOPLE THAN I AM
ADOLF HITLER. (see www.nkusa.org and jewsnotzionists.org for the truth about the
impostor jews and see how they compare to their cousins the arabs )

Which of you muslims on this "aimislam" communication channel agrees with the above?
How can you argue with the facts: ARABS OUT 0F ISLAM!

Please sign and copy and past and return:

I AGREE WITH THE NEW REVERT DR. HAMID ABOUT THE BAD ARABS!

Ali_Imran

Posted 10 May 2007 - 04:45 AM

QUOTE
ARABS OUT 0F ISLAM!

You can not consider ANY Muslim who has pronounced the shahadah out of the fold of
Islam.
ُ ‫ﻦ ا َﺑﻨ َﺂُء اﻟ‬
‫ﺤﺴﻴﻦ؟‬ َ ‫ﺤﺴﻴﻦ؟ ا َﻳ‬ َ ‫ﺴﻦ؟ ا َﻳ‬
ُ ‫ﻦ اﻟ‬ َ ‫ﺤ‬ َ ‫ا َﻳ‬
َ ‫ﻦ اﻟ‬
‫ل ﺑ ِﻜ َﺮﺑ َﻼ َء؟‬
ِ ‫ﻤﻘﺘ ُﺆ‬ ُ ِ ‫ﻦ اﻟﻄ �ﺎﻟ‬
َ ‫ﺐ ﺑ ِﺪ َم ِ اﻟ‬ َ ‫ا َﻳ‬

Hamid Rasool

Posted 10 May 2007 - 07:51 AM

QUOTE(Ali_Imran @ May 10 2007, 04:45 AM) (http://www.aimislam.com/forums


/index.php?&act=findpost&pid=18366)

You can not consider ANY Muslim who has pronounced the shahadah out of the fold of
Islam.

so the sunnie arab says:


"There is no God but God; and Muhammad is a prophet of God"
as he blows up the golden mosque

and then the shi'ite says:


"There is no God but God; and Muhammad is a prophet of God"

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as he sets a time bomb in the sunnie mosque to punish them for the ruination of the golden
mosque (which was actually accomplished by zionists)

and then they both burn, bomb and kill one another with little restraint. this is what these
Arabs are doing. Are you one of them, ali_imram?

and all these people are muslims? I doubt it. Jesus and Mohammed know better. A muslim is
a man who is submissive to God; This submission is demonstrated by action.

SpIzo

Posted 10 May 2007 - 12:31 PM

Who's Dr. Hamid?

Guest_Cyan_Garamond_*

Posted 10 May 2007 - 02:58 PM

QUOTE(Hamid Rasool @ May 10 2007, 07:51 AM) (http://www.aimislam.com/forums


/index.php?&act=findpost&pid=18368)
so the sunnie arab says:
"There is no God but God; and Muhammad is a prophet of God"
as he blows up the golden mosque

and then the shi'ite says:


"There is no God but God; and Muhammad is a prophet of God"
as he sets a time bomb in the sunnie mosque to punish them for the ruination of the golden
mosque (which was actually accomplished by zionists)

and then they both burn, bomb and kill one another with little restraint. this is what these
Arabs are doing. Are you one of them, ali_imram?

and all these people are muslims? I doubt it. Jesus and Mohammed know better. A muslim is
a man who is submissive to God; This submission is demonstrated by action.

Not even all members of the same family are the same or think alike. How, then, can all
Arabs or Iranians, Sunnis or Shias have alike character or traits? Please give this a little
more thought lest you are guilty of labelling and slandering men/women of God.

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Omega

Posted 10 May 2007 - 04:20 PM

it is not our place to say who is and isnt a muslim, after they say their shahada they are
considered muslims. All this means is that they believe in one God and the Messenger.
being a good muslims is a different story, an that is left to Allah to judge not us

Guest_Ya_thar_Allah_*

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Posted 10 May 2007 - 04:43 PM

Based on this 'logic' all Arabs are not Muslim because they are as claimed 'too nationalistic
and whatnot' . What if I said that I am 'Arab' and am very much against nationalism . Does
that not kill your theory that all Arabs aren't Muslims because they are nationalistic ? If we
want to look more into this topic; we can easily prove that many Muslims have contradicted
Islam with their actions; Arabs and not alike . Inorder to judge others; shouldn't we be
flawless beings first ?

Hamid Rasool

Posted 10 May 2007 - 06:28 PM

QUOTE(Omega @ May 10 2007, 04:20 PM) (http://www.aimislam.com/forums


/index.php?&act=findpost&pid=18381)
it is not our place to say who is and isnt a muslim, after they say their shahada they are
considered muslims. All this means is that they believe in one God and the Messenger.
being a good muslims is a different story, an that is left to Allah to judge not us

A good point, brother or sister. It's just too bad that as Islam is now under inspection by the
whole world that the Arabs have to take the high ground as if these criminal rebels against
Allah are its finest representatives. It does not take a prophet to see who among us is not
doing good deeds, or is executing prohibited acts and we need to loudly condemn the ones
who are doing these things so that innocent believers studying Islam will not be misled into
possibly not even studying Islam. We should direct the world's attention to Free Kashmir,
for one example, where the nicest and kindest followers of Muhammed live. Muhammad
will be proud of them! I just love the muslims in Kashmir and I can't wait to get back there.
Who wouldn't? Kashmiriyat originated there!
Love
Rasool

Omega

Posted 10 May 2007 - 07:51 PM

i think there is a huge different between accusing some1 of not being a Muslim, and
condemning them. if people are oppressed or rights are violated it is our place to condemn
those actions. but it is not our place to say they are not Muslims.

Laraib

Posted 11 May 2007 - 06:50 AM

Oh my!
That's quite a generalization. Some arabs blow up mosques and are violent thus All arabs
are violent and blow up mosques... You see the problem there brother? And like everyone
said, We're no ones to decide who's muslim and who isn't.
As for the poll, I do not agree with either statement. Not all arabs are like you mentioned in
your posts and not all arabs are "top of the line muslims".

Wasalam

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Inability is a disaster; patience is bravery; abstinence is a treasure, self-restrain is a shield;


and the best companion is submission to Divine Will-Imam Ali (AS)

faress

Posted 11 May 2007 - 11:50 AM

Salam
there are good and bad in everywhere .
and because this Jomo3ah and due respect to all the Muslims here..
I would have wished to shop your head off you [EDITED]
like it or not Arabs are chosen people .like it or NOT Arabic is the language of quraan .like it
or not Arabic is the language of heaven.
Like it or not teh prophet is Arabian ..LikE IT OR NOT Ahlo al bayet are arabian..
Like it or not we are here living harmony whether as Arabs or persian or others ..
Like it or not palistine is no better than punkistan nor pankistan is better than palistine.
No an Arab is better than a non except by piety.
the problem is that been a shiaa is the problem of many Muslims.
because they can not defeat their arrogance and Follow the scripture and those with
authority .
you sure have a disgusting old game as you've just signed in into this forum.
[EDITED]
well if palistinians and Arabs had nukes and punkistan was occupied there is no way they
will be ignored and left behind.
palistininas are left behind ignored ..kicked from their homes ..families separated put in
concentration and israeli detention..many do grwo complexed and in pain.
yes many of them have bad temper and are away from islam ..but would you blame them or
the ones that ignored helping them?
Arabs ? palistinians are Not All Arabs just as most Arab countries..ya think every saudi is
pure Arab?
ya think ussama bin laden is pure Arab? yemen speak Arabic as he is from yemen but Are
they pure Arabs?
Faresi are not Arabs are they compared to Arabs by faith or by mother tongue?
[EDITED]
I wish that I made some since otherwise try..take your wives you and your convert friends
to israeli soldiers and preach them Love and hapiness whilst you are watching.
and forgive them when they shoot your kids in front of you.
you are lucky this is internet and this is Friday.
what do you expect Arabs to do ..they are teared apart ..instead you should Lokk not only to
negative attitude but also help revive teh nation and Ummah ..because even a stnky
palistinians won't let you down if you come saying I'm Muslim help me.
but I guess some people just don't like to be shiaa of teh truth.and abide by islam
boundaries and banner.
Forgivness their members and readers but this post is an example of the bias and
propaganda led against our Ummah add hatred that meant to be amongst sunnis and shiaa
and our other various beautiful combinations and races that Islam is proud of as whole

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ummah.
May Allah swt protect us from evil and haters and evil doers and preachers of things that
they don't do .

[Modnote: Please refrain from using abusive language. The OP made this topic to debate
his preception. His preception is not something which is written in stone rather his thoughts
which could have change however by taking the attitude you have done you have made it
clear to the OP what his topic was about. How about debating sensibly and using manners
rather than degrading the discussions with insults]

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Don't ask me if I'm Arab ‫اﻟﻌﺮب‬ ‫ﻋﺒﺪ اﻟﻠ ﻪ ﻣﻦ اﺷﺮا ف‬


Warning if you Do not Say reply Salam ,I may Say Shalom.

faress

Posted 11 May 2007 - 12:16 PM

DOHA, May 10, 2007 • Jewish spiritual leaders (rabbis) have not been silent on the issue of
ill-treatment of the people of Palestine by Israel, a rabbi from New York said yesterday.

Roland Matalon said, intervening during discussions at an international inter-faith dialogue


here yesterday, that accusations that rabbis have been moot spectators of the atrocities
being committed on Palestinians by Israel are untrue.

"The rabbis have never been silent on this issue. We have been talking about the sufferings
of the people of Palestine. We are for restoring their dignity. We want two states existing
side by side where the Palestinians and Jews could live in peace as neighbours," said
Matalon. "We are not only praying for this to happen. We are working towards this end."

He was responding to comments made by the Mufti of Jerusalem, Dr (Sheikh) Tayseer Rajab
Al Tamimi that while Israel was perpetrating atrocities on innocent Palestinians and killing
old men, women and children, the rabbis have been watching the gory goings on in silence.

Justice has so far not been done (to Palestinians), Matalon admitted responding to Al
Tamimi's accusations.

The discussions were being held after a panel of experts spoke of the role of mysticism in
burying the differences among the follower of the revealed faiths (Judaism, Christianity and
Islam) and bringing them together.

Speakers included Dr Souad Al Hakim, from Lebanon; Joseph Ehrenkrenz, from the US;

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David Lazar, from Israel; John Taylor, from the US; and Jerald Whitehouse from Venezuela.
Professor Saad Harib, from the UAE; and Dr Mohamed Ben Breika, from Algeria, were the
moderators.

A number of ideas to encourage mysticism (which remains overshadowed by materialism)


were floated so as to help curb extremism and among them was to begin cultural exchanges
between Israel and Palestine and people-to-people dialogue.

Lazar, in his address, suggested that a beginning to help narrow the yawning Muslim-
Jewish divide can be made if Muslims begin learning the basics about Judaism and vice
versa.

He said he had five daughters and all of them study the Holy Quran and Bible, aside from
their own religious holy book. "Let's make a beginning," he said.

In remarks to this newspaper later, he said that the Doha Conference has proved quite
fruitful since it provides an opportunity for Muslim, Christian and Jewish religious leaders to
interact.

One-to-one meetings between delegates representing the three different faiths have been
taking place on the sidelines of the convention on sensitive community and religious issues
and on how to further dialogue, especially between Muslim and Jewish leaders.

"We will keep in touch with one another through e-mail and personal visits. This is
important," said Lazar. "I am feeling quite at home here. Last year (during the last
inter-faith dialogue), it was my first visit to an Arab country, so I was a bit nervous," he said.

Don't ask me if I'm Arab ‫اﻟﻌﺮب‬ ‫ﻋﺒﺪ اﻟﻠ ﻪ ﻣﻦ اﺷﺮا ف‬


Warning if you Do not Say reply Salam ,I may Say Shalom.

Hamid Rasool

Posted 12 May 2007 - 04:38 PM

YIPPEE! WE BAITED ONE BUT GOOD THERE, DIDN'T WE! HA HA HA HA HA!


Hamid

Hamid Rasool

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 04:54 PM

Faress: I'm a Vietnam Veteran so watch your talk about shutting off my head. You and what
army proposes to do that to me? I'm not a private in the United States Army for nothing, so
watch your bad talk. Try reasoning. Everybody knows you have a right to fight back against
the so called "Israelite" zionists because of their daily acts of war and everybody knows that
America is equally guilty for always backing them whether they are right or wrong and they
couldn't do it without America, so that America makes itself an ordinary war target too so
relax, and peace be upon you please, people are starting to see what's happening. Let God's
vengeance be God's bro; you might have inadvertently killed the apostle Paul with that
attitude since he started as an opposer, besides, when we take vengeance on someone they
might "receive their payment in full" so that Allah may not bother with them anymore so be
kind to them and, from the jew-book it says that to do so will rake hot coals on their heads.
Dr. Hamid Rasool
(Pete Amschel, Hemet)

Sumaiya

Posted 12 May 2007 - 05:26 PM

QUOTE(Hamid Rasool @ May 12 2007, 12:54 PM) (http://www.aimislam.com/forums


/index.php?&act=findpost&pid=18472)
Faress: I'm a Vietnam Veteran so watch your talk about shutting off my head. You and what
army proposes to do that to me? I'm not a private in the United States Army for nothing, so
watch your bad talk.

and who is to watch your bad talk? Before asking others to watch their language, i suggest
you look at yourself. You obviously dont know any, or atleast very many, arab people to draw
upon these conclusions. Having lived all over the world - i can tell you now, in an Arab
country, with arab friends, that i feel much more happier, safer, secure and comfortable
than i did spending 8 years in America.

Everything you have said thus far in this thread, I find completely and utterly absurd; and
more than anything...racist.

Know that every culture has its faults - arabs have their faults in their societies, but they
also have some good qualities that even I aspire to have some day. I guess thats the beauty
of having lived all over the world. I am able to watch, observe and annalyze people and their
cultures; and use it towards self development.

My question to you is; what is your intention on bringing upon such a lousy and racist
thread? One that is not even based on fact, or popular opinion for that matter - instead its
one based upon ignorance.

I ask you to redefine, and requestion yourself - taking into the consideration the things
mentioned already by other members. If your intent in making this thread is to merely spark
contriversy and put down a certain group of people, then I'm sorry, this is not the place to
do it.

this is offensive, silly and more than anything immature...grow up vietnam boy

ha - and no offense intended

faress

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Posted 12 May 2007 - 08:36 PM

Salam
You know why Allah swt have chosen us Summaya ?
because we have no Racist attitude as majority of Children of Ismael Father of
Mohames sw and SON OF Abraheem peace upon him.
we are supposed to fight for other people's freedom and hear and obey Allah
swt so the message can be spread and we have No control over people's
decisions.
Yet because we don't we have to Go through This Dramatic scene and Mockery
.
and No one will care if we get hurt in most times because we are The chosen
ones and we are no suppose to fail.if we do than the price is High.
There will and shall be Time Sooner or Later Inshallah that our enemies will
colapse either by our hands or their own hands or simply Allah's wrath.
They Mock the life of our people and destroy us one by one.
yet we wait for a savior be he a strong ally and enemy such the country of
this Jocker
Eh Jocker peace upon you too viet veteran ....your thread is Full of hatred and
bias and streotype but yet you have A muslim name was that your pass into
here ..you know I'm not offended ..you think I droped a Mask whilst you did
See Bingo Jocker. ,)
Anyways I have the right to go off Like that innit ? you are insulting my whole
Race .
and willing to ask us to use the bible of Love and let the Crusaders and Zionists
be Punished in the other Life because here they will be Punished in full if we
do it by our hands ?

We read in the Qur'an: ". . . Do not take life, which Allah has made sacred, except through
justice and the law. He orders this so that you may acquire wisdom" (6:151) and, "Do not
take life, which Allah has made sacred, except for a just cause. If anyone is killed unjustly,
We allow his heir (to seek justice) but do not allow him to exceed bounds when it comes to
taking life, for he is helped (by the law)" (17:33). According to the Qur'an, killing a person
unjustly is the same as killing all of humanity, and saving a person is the same as saving all
humanity. (See 5:32.)

Brother Follower Thank you for the Clarification but I hoped you and your team spare a
closer look to the other side as well because I'm sure that The Arabic Race didn't matter if it
was insulted on your site or not to be concidered a reasonable offence ..
however if the Jocker from viet Army is not disguised my pleasure is fulfilled ..
and Peace upon you all .
Pss No woories if faresies or Other Races are insulted here we surely wouldn't leave you
behind without protesting .
“Those who suppress their anger, and forgive other people – assuredly, God loves those who
do good.” (Quran 3:134)

The Prophet said:

“The believers with the most perfect faith are those with the most perfect conduct and
manners. And the best ones amongst you are those who are best to their families.”
(Al-Tirmidhi)

The Arab Mohamed


And The Arabic Quran:“Surely, you (O Muhammad) are upon a high standard of moral
character.” (Quran 68:4)

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God also said:

“Indeed in the Messenger of God you have a beautiful example of conduct to follow.”
(Quran 33:21)

As for the Supremist Power of distruction:


“…why then did they not believe with humility? But their hearts became hardened, and
Satan made fair seeming to them that which they used to do.” (Quran 6:43)

“Have they not traversed through the land, and have they heart with which they perceive,
or ears with which they hear? Indeed it is not the sight which is blinded, but rather what is
blinded is the hearts which are in the breasts.” (Quran 22:46)

and those who forsake The Truth including me Ameen.


“And those who desire Guidance, He (God) will increase them in Guidance, and inspire them
with [the way to] piety.” (Quran 47:17)

Don't ask me if I'm Arab ‫اﻟﻌﺮب‬ ‫ﻋﺒﺪ اﻟﻠ ﻪ ﻣﻦ اﺷﺮا ف‬


Warning if you Do not Say reply Salam ,I may Say Shalom.

A Follower

Posted 12 May 2007 - 09:21 PM

I suggest both of you Hamid and Faress take a look at the Sermon of the Prophet [pbuh] on
his Last Pilgrimage. Maybe then you would stop boasting about your arab pride and the
other being discriminating against the Arabs.

And Faress, the Prophet [pbuh] and his family were sent to Arabia before the advent of
Islam not because Arabian people were good mannered or had great characteristics rather
it was the wisdom of Allah through which He sent his Prophet to Arabia. The people of
Arabia at the time were in the age of ignorance and indulged in many many bad vices.

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O People
Listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the

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month of Ramadan, and give your wealth in Zakat.

Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a
non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black, nor
a black has any superiority over a white- except by piety and good action. Learn that
every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one
brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim, which belongs to a fellow Muslim
unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefor, do injustice to yourselves.

Remember one day you will appear before Allah and answer for your deeds. So beware, do
not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone. People, no prophet or apostle will
come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well therefore, O people, and
understand words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Quran and the
Sunnah (Hadith), and if you follow these you will never go astray. All those who listen to me
shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones
understand my words better than those who listened to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah,
that I have conveyed your message to your people."

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I hope that is clear for both of you.

(http://altigerrrr.deviantart.com) (http://spiritualchronicles.blogspot.com)

(http://www.youtube.com/user/altigerrrr)

'..O Allah, make my soul confident in your decree and pleased with your
decision..'

Bilaal

Posted 12 May 2007 - 10:30 PM

The original post was ridiculous and doesn’t deserve a discussion.


Thread locked.

Abu Bakr (http://www.abubakr.org/)


So who is more generous, my God, than Thou? And who is more wretched than he who
perishes in spite of Thee? Imam Sajjad [a]

Try (a man) and you will hate him.


Imam Ali [a]

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