Get Over It

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Get over it
Thu 26 Nov 2009 by abagond
(http://www.sodahead.com /united-states/white-house-watermelon-lawn-is-this-racist/question-267284/) Get over it is something White Americans say when black people point out a case of white racism that is hard to deny, like that picture of watermelons growing in front of the White House. The phrase means that blacks should not get too hung up on racism, that thinking about it too much will only make things worse. It also means this: shut up and stop being such a crybaby. One commenter advised me: Get over it abagond, stop whining about racism and move to Africa, yep, make a contribution to the motherland.
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When whites complain about reverse racism or affirmative action, I do not notice anyone telling them to Get over it. Instead their complaints are taken seriously. You know, like they truly matter. Get over it assumes that racism is pretty much over , that it is either dead and gone, ancient history, or at least no longer a big deal. Get over it! Blacks are either stuck in the past or making something out of nothing. Get over it assumes that whites are better judges of racism against blacks than blacks themselves! Because blacks are oversensitive, because they are like children who have it too easy and complain about every little thing. And, like children, blacks do not know what is in their own best interest but white people do, despite their terrible record on that one. Unlike most racist arguments, this one admits that the case of racism in question is true otherwise there would be nothing to get over. That is why it comes up so much in arguments about the White American practice of keeping black slaves: it is one of the few cases of racism that whites cannot deny . They know it was true and know that it was terrible. But they do not see or want to see that a society that could allow that to be done to people because of the colour of their skin could allow other bad things to be done to them even now. Slave days, Jim Crow and all the rest are ancient history for whites because it does not seem to affect their present. But not for blacks not because they are unreasonable children who do not know when to let go of the past, but because racism still affects their lives. Racism did not die on the day they freed the slaves. Racism did not die on the day they outlawed hanging a black man from a tree. Racism did not even die on the day a black man put his hand on the Bible and became president in fact, it seems to have only made it worse since it was against the wishes of most white voters. Racism is dying, yes, but it still very much alive. When will blacks get over it and move on? When whites get over their racism and move on. They created it to excuse their crimes; they can also destroy it. (http://blackbritishgirl.blogspot.com/)Thanks to commenter and fellow blogger Aiyo of BBG: Black British Girl (http://blackbritishgirl.blogspot.com/) for suggesting this post. See also: Closing your eyes does not work (../2008/08/22/closing-your-eyes-does-not-work/) racism is not natural (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/09/28/racism-is-unnatural/) how to argue like a white racist (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/how-to-argue-like-awhite-racist/) crying racism (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/07/30/crying-racism/) Jim Crow (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2008/03/20/jim-crow/) The day a black man became president (http://abagond.wordpress.com/2009/01/21/barack-obamais-now-president/) Posted in 2000s, America, racism, racist arguments | 87 Comments
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alwaysright101 on Sat 28 Nov 2009 at 02:52:26 it irritates me when whites justify an overt racist actand what sux is they always get away with it because they are white with the increase of racists acts against blacks, and the fact that many whites find it socially acceptable, I honestly and truly believe we are heading BACK to jim crow, the republicans especially are trying to hide their racism under the guise of that whole socialism thing (remember what they all did with hollywood and the communism thing). history does repeat itself. the one thing worse than being ignorant to history, is knowing how bad something was yet still intentionally repeating it knowing full well the repercussions of it. right now its starting out small, a bunch of racist drawings and emails and comments by the republicans, and then a bunch of attacks and racist signs here or there being put on people of colorbut its growing. whites say to ignore the neo nazis that what they say is silly, but their numbers are growingmost of them share their beliefs, in one form or another. we are sitting ducks because there is nothing that can be done about it. america is either going to have its own version of the holocaust where we are the victims or its going to return to jim crowor both.. never say nevera country founded on racism, will likely be destroyed because of it.
MerriMay I disagree
on Sat 28 Nov 2009 at 03:35:51
I think black people have come a long way from those days, we didnt have rights,it still amazes me to this day how even in South Africa we allowed ourselves to be taken over by a minority of Whites. I doubt that this time around black folks would take it lying down, I know I wouldnt. You can only push people so far, Whites are aware of that and they fear it. We are too educated too self aware, too proud to ever let that happen again. Riots in the US, although perpetrated by a minority,and wrong, were indicative of a society that has had enough. The tides may be turning, but why would black people want to go back to days they were treated no better than animals?
Shani on Sat 28 Nov 2009 at 03:54:02 Obviously whites havent gotten over it either since there is still systematic racism in the US.
Aiyo
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Thank you for doing my suggestion I feel so speacial now LOL Seriously though, I am sick of that phrase Get over it they espcially when the subject about slavery comes up the past is past let it go. when someone says that I pinch them hard and repeat what they said let it go its in the past even though its still hurts and you have a bruise and the pain is effecting you a day later get over it (Remeber stupid Adrienne Curry wrote that crap) I just hate it people wouldnt say that to rape victim if she was still having trust issues with men
deevinej23 on Sat 28 Nov 2009 at 18:37:58 A future topic to Get over it is Just take it. While it is not a spoken quote, its an unconscious belief that oh its not that bad, and thats not racism, or thats not discrimination, or you are just being too sensitive, so just take it. Basically another method to shutting down and dismissing the discussion of racism and other issues. Love your blog, btw. Ive been an avid lurker for most of the year, and maybe posted once.
abagond Azrazyel lives!
on Sat 28 Nov 2009 at 19:04:21
abagond MerriMay said:
on Sat 28 Nov 2009 at 19:14:43
You can only push people so far, Whites are aware of that and they fear it. We are too educated too self aware, too proud to ever let that happen again. Germany in the 1940s sent plenty of highly-educated Jews to death camps, people who thought the West was too civilized to do something like that. When Pakistan killed a million people in Bangladesh in the early 1970s they started with the intellectuals. When Cambodia killed millions of its own people in the 1970s they went after the intellectuals in particular. Too educated too self aware cuts both ways.
abagond deevinej23 (long-time lurker, first-time commenter): Right, the underlying idea is that racism is no big deal.
on Sat 28 Nov 2009 at 19:32:00
Herneith Azrazyel lives! LOL!
on Sat 28 Nov 2009 at 19:37:18
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OneBrownSnowPea on Sat 28 Nov 2009 at 20:04:02 Very True!!! Moving forward is a two way street. They want black people to forget, but dont want to forget the stereotypes and negative beliefs they still cling to.
tragicmulattos Merrimay,
on Sat 28 Nov 2009 at 22:00:54
Blacks NEVER took it lying down. If you are in South Africa Im surprised you feel that way. Hell, all I know of South African is Shaka, you should know far more. Were talking about a difference in military might, technology, governmental/social organization, etc. that led to that type of domination. And despite that difference, people fought valiantly. Racism is another beast. So many people are so deeply invested in it. Not just socially and economically, but it has become an identity that *defines* them, that it will be very hard for people to move forward due to what they will leave behind. Nobody gives up power without a fight. Racism (both overt and systemic) empowers. Those empowered by it will not give it up without a fight.
dani Aiyo said:
on Sun 29 Nov 2009 at 17:34:44
Seriously though, I am sick of that phrase Get over it they espcially when the subject about slavery comes up the past is past let it go. when someone says that I pinch them hard and repeat what they said let it go its in the past even though its still hurts and you have a bruise and the pain is effecting you a day later get over it (Remeber stupid Adrienne Curry wrote that crap LMAO I was just talking about that lame broad in the Cheif Waboo post. She had the nerve to bring up her husband as an example or a person who was ancestors were apart of an oppressed group and got over it. She is lying her ass off! Her husband is Jewish and many Jews bring the holocaust card many times before and have no problem labeling you an anti-semetic lol.
Gen on Sun 29 Nov 2009 at 18:33:59 Thats the funny thing, People with the get over it attitude are the biggest part of the problem because they usually see the imbalance but theyre o.k with it because its all the minorities fault, it just has to be, the history that led up to current events have nothing to do with it! And as for the me too criers, I wish people would just shut the hell up for one second and actually listen to what another person has to say instead of trying to make everything about themselves, and they usually get all pissed off when you call them on being such shortsighted douchebags too. If opening up your ears is too much to handle then go jump off a bridge because youre just taking up space. Oh geez dont get me started!
leigh204 on Sun 29 Nov 2009 at 18:39:36 When I think of Get over it I think of someone being downright rude. And it is definitely rude. Its the person(s) making racism seem like a trivial issue to him/her/them although its a very important issue
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for you.
peanut http://www.rent-a-negro.com/
on Mon 30 Nov 2009 at 01:04:49
siouxsie on Tue 1 Dec 2009 at 13:01:23 I am so happy I found this blog. It has given me strength to continue arguing against racism and fighting ignorance. I appreciate you including Native people in your posts as well Im Sioux and too often Native people get forgotten in the discussion of racism and oppression kudos.
Gen on Tue 1 Dec 2009 at 19:11:01 Ha! peanut, I remember reading somewhere, I think Aba said it, but they actually get people requesting to rent Black people. The rental form is just precious! P.S I just read what I said in my previous post and my grammar went to hell for some reason lol.
Marci peanut Says: Mon 30 Nov 2009 at 01:04:49 http://www.rent-a-negro.com/
on Tue 1 Dec 2009 at 19:43:00
We choose only those Black people who have a lifetime of experience in the field. 41 years exp here. hah! Gen Says: Sun 29 Nov 2009 at 18:33:59 And as for the me too criers, I wish people would just shut the hell up for one second and actually listen to what another person has to say instead of trying to make everything about themselves, and they usually get all pissed off when you call them on being such shortsighted douchebags too. If opening up your ears is too much to handle then go jump off a bridge because youre just taking up space. Im guilty of this myself. I tend to personalize things a lot. But Im trying to get away from it. I actually stuck that one sentence up on my monitor to remind me.
Leah on Tue 1 Dec 2009 at 20:01:46 I like watermelonsi nfact i think that growing watermelons at the white house would only enhance it not because Obama is black, but because watermelons are simply delicious.
Great White Man
on Wed 2 Dec 2009 at 10:49:55
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Move yo @sses to Africa.. If I went to a black majority country I would experience the same thing..so butch up and move on!!
Aiyo on Wed 2 Dec 2009 at 11:38:58 The whole watermelon thing is just so stupid. I just remembered when the whole picture mess was being talked about everywhere and a white person wrote a comment on one blog I was reading saying get over it watermelon is just a fruit and its a joke but what this person is failing to realise is How is it funny? what is the joke behind it? Would it still be funny if another fruit was used? NO becasue the joke comes from a racist sterotype. Its funny because those shucking and jiving negros just love them some watermelon. The only thing that sterotype shows is how the whiteslave masters were evil in working the slaves to grow the crops ans stuff and starving them and of course they could only eat what they grew so of course starving people are going to eat a lot of the food they have been denied of. Then of course laughing at them for eating it. Its pathetic, it says a lot about the person laughing at the joke and thinking its not a big deal
leigh204 @Aiyo:
on Wed 2 Dec 2009 at 11:55:37
I co-sign with everything you mentioned. I remember the first time I saw this picture of the watermelons in front of the White House, I thought it was tasteless and quite stupid. I mean, its not just watermelons but the connotation of it.
abagond on Wed 2 Dec 2009 at 13:59:39 Great White Man at comment #25 wins the Roissy for this post! Good work!
alwaysright101 on Wed 2 Dec 2009 at 14:28:08 the fact that he used yo in his sentence makes him look stupid while and irritating on that front alone. as for the watermelon thing, ugh i despise watermelons (and most red fruits, except i like apples, when they are yellow not red). i noticed those that have to revert to insulting people using racist stuff usually have nothing intelligent to say, because lets face it, if you are insulting someone, its so easy to use the race bait, anyone can probably do it, so wouldnt a smart person try to attack the person by using something that is more personal? I mean all these racist emails and cartoons the republicans have been doing that make fun of Obamas race, I just find it amazing how they could even get a political career. But then again majority of america is stupid so.
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Leah on Wed 2 Dec 2009 at 19:37:41 Whats a Scat porno? I dont watch pornosdo they eat food in porn?? I thought it was just a bunch of people having sex. Also: @Leigh204: You look like Carly from that v show iCarly.
orchid if racism is a mental illness you need a straight jacket.
on Wed 2 Dec 2009 at 21:20:20
Shani Is that rent a negro site for real? I was searching for the satire.
on Wed 2 Dec 2009 at 22:10:08
abagond It is a satire.
on Wed 2 Dec 2009 at 22:18:13
dani on Thu 3 Dec 2009 at 00:06:21 I remember this older Black lady told me she was going for weekly check-up at the doctor. The doctor told her to eat more fruit and gave and example of watermelon and some other fruits. She made a comment and said that she hated watermelon. He said I thoughy you would like watermelon. She asked him why did he say that and he said I thought Black people love watermelon lmao wow he is a doctor and said the most stupidest crap Ive ever heard.
alwaysright101 @dani
on Thu 3 Dec 2009 at 00:32:09
sometimes i wish i lived up to some of the stereotypes because it would make my life easier, because you cant deny what you are or like. so in cases like watermelon, i would be annoyed if people assumed because of my skin that I like it, so sometimes i wished i did like it cause then id have no reason to be upset by it by default of liking it cause them i wouldnt have to question it. but sadly, the only only fruits i really like are oranges and yellow apples. but like when some dumb racists do the fried chicken thing, i am not so upset and annoyed by it cause I like fried chicken and it seems useless to make a case out of something knowing very well I like it anyways. I never really realized until now but stereotypes only suck when you dont live up to them and are above them but others in society wont recognize you that way. when you are the stereotype, you often dont even know it let alone care about it. which in turn will make it even harder for those who dont live up to it. i just wish people would start looking at all of us as individuals instead. people should be able to be who they want (within reason of course) without others having to feel condemned because of stereotypes.
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dani @ alwaysright101
on Thu 3 Dec 2009 at 02:46:29
I think that is the problem is that people cannot treat people as individuals. I think its easier for people to group people because we are multi-complex humans and its just makes peoples life easier by doing so.
johnson on Thu 3 Dec 2009 at 20:20:10 i think the reason whites use the get over it argument is because they are sick of being blamed for black misfortune in present times. Ill use an example from where I live (canada) but i imagine its a similar situation: where i went to school a number of white kids were bullied by native kids, it happens constantly. the natives drop out, join gangs, sell drugs, go to jail almost all of them. then they demand special government support because we took their land and we owe them. they get free money and pay no taxes (paid for by hard working white people) and laugh about it with their buddies. on top of that they rob us and steal our cars, and somehow its all our fault. there are lots of poor white people too but they dont get the same attention the natives get, and they have no one to blame. in my opinion, the reason theyre in such a sorry state is because we give them so much special recognition, they feel like they deserve more than everyone else.
abagond Johnson seems to be a sock puppet for Orchid.
on Thu 3 Dec 2009 at 20:31:41
johnson point is?
on Thu 3 Dec 2009 at 20:57:35
Vindicator johnson Says: point is? Its trolling and only tactless pricks do it! Get lost troll!
on Thu 3 Dec 2009 at 21:11:31
laromana on Thu 3 Dec 2009 at 21:17:19 dani says: I think that is the problem is that people cannot treat people as individuals. I think its easier for people to group people because we are multi-complex humans and its just makes peoples life easier by doing so. laromana says, johnson, danis statment above is the answer to Whites who try to shut down legitimate discussions on ANTI-BLACK racism. NO ONE on this post is promoting criminal behavior on the part of ANY NON-WHITE person as an excuse for past racism. Obviously, ANYONE of ANY RACE that chooses to drop out, join gangs, sell drugs, and go to jail is INDIVIDUALLY RESPONSIBLE for their choices. By the same token, CERTAIN WP who tell Blacks to get over it when they attempt to constructively
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discuss ANTI-BLACK racism ARE PART of the problem of helping to perpetuate ANTI-BLACK RACISM.
AO still love that saying. SOCK PUPPET hahahahaha
on Thu 3 Dec 2009 at 22:21:46
abagond @ Johnson: johnson Says: point is? Its trolling and only tactless pricks do it! Get lost troll!
on Thu 3 Dec 2009 at 22:48:18
Right, it is a sign you are a troll, that you are not here for a serious purpose but just to get people angry for your own amusement.
Vindicator on Fri 4 Dec 2009 at 00:19:08 Leah Says: Whats a Scat porno? I dont watch pornosdo they eat food in porn?? I thought it was just a bunch of people having sex. Lol you dont want to know! Trust me lol! Btw Leah if that is a pic of you as your avatar! You kinda cute!
Arianna on Fri 4 Dec 2009 at 18:05:43 guess what hard working white people you guys are not the only ones who work and pay taxes! plenty of hard working black, asian, latino, native american, mixed, etc. people work and pay taxes just like you do. so stop using the handful of people you see in your community to justify prejudice about everyone else. when a government historically commits atrocities against an ethnic group to advance its own goals, guess what? sometimes they have to pay money out. thats just the way it goes
Gen on Fri 4 Dec 2009 at 21:01:15 What grown person would sit there and use their time to think up various names so they can demonstrate there are others who think like them. Thats some insecure, sad and lonely stuff right there. death to the sock puppets.
Herneith @Johnson:
on Sat 5 Dec 2009 at 16:16:50
You are racist plain and simple. As for saying that welfare for Natives are paid for by white people, I would like to ask you; What about the other racialized people in Canada paying taxes? What about off reserve Natives paying taxes. Unfortunately for you, Canada is not longer lily white. In one foul swoop, youve managed to stereotype groups of racialized people and natives as being
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welfare recipients en masse. Natives by inference, and racialized people by omission, by stating whites pay for the natives welfare. Crime doesnt occur in a vacuum. You must be from some place up North with a blatant history of racism and segregation towards native peoples. Quite obviously, you dont have an inkling as to the native peoples history of the residential schools or abominable treatment at the hands of whites. Did you think natives would do a complete turn around and forget the devastating fallout of such treatment? This is the same outlook many whites hold in regards to blacks and slavery, segregation in the States and Canada to a lesser degree. If anyone has to get over it, it is you and your ilk. Get over your racism, sock puppet or not. As for demanding government support, look at this support as paying rent. This is another example of Europeans appropriating land, defecating on the original inhabitants and doubly defecating on them when they dont conform to a European mode of thought or behaviour, in other words, they dont assimilate. Something tells me you would still look down on them if they all did assimilate, due to the fact that they arent white. Again, get over it.
abagond Johnson said:
on Sat 5 Dec 2009 at 20:42:16
they get free money and pay no taxes (paid for by hard working white people) The 1961 Hollywood version of Raisin in the Sun has three expressions that I did not think went back that far: miss thing you people (= black people) hard-working (= white) The irony of Johnson using hard-working as an adjective for white people is that these white people are doing it on land that they stole. How hard-working is that?
johnson on Sat 12 Dec 2009 at 19:10:40 i know about residential schools and god knows why they are trying to start an aboriginals-only school division again. and they opened an aboriginals-only homeless shelter, as if there arent other homeless people. my point is that all the special treatment only fuels more segregation. how are natives ever supposed to feel equal if they are treated like they are special. and the stole our land argumnent does NOT fly, it was created by the cheifs and lawyers as a way of scoring big money and keeping it themselves. i know plenty of natives and metis and they admit to me that its pure bullshit. i respect ALL people who try hard and do the best they can. obviously some people need special assistance (the handicapped, or severe mental illness for example). i dont think that just because someone is born a different race they instantly deserve special attention. i think it does more harm than good.
johnson on Sat 12 Dec 2009 at 20:29:56 how this relates to the topic: (im bad at making stuff sound clear) i agree with what abagond says about how someone makes a racist joke and then says get over it, thats like punching someone and saying just kidding. but a lot of the time whites say it now days when they are blamed for things in the past. such as blaming me for slavery or stealing natives land because im white. especially when its not even white people that are screwing them over anymnore, its their
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band leaders. THAT is racist. thats like saying natives steal white peoples cars, or blacks are the cause of all the crime in america. i dont think a lot of other races realize how much it hurts white people, so thats why they say get over it.
Herneith on Sat 12 Dec 2009 at 21:33:53 i know about residential schools and god knows why they are trying to start an aboriginals-only school division again. Obviously there is a problem otherwise they wouldnt be doing this. An Afrocentric school has been commenced in Toronto. Why? Because they have identified the problems which come with being black in a predominantly white society. Some of which is not being taught your history and building self-esteem both of which is lacking in the school system at large. I know this as a fact as I, and many other of my kin have experienced this.I am sure most blacks can tell of experiences where attempts have been made to steer them into careers which are lower than their capabilities. My father went through this, my cousins, relatives friends, acquaintances have had similar experiences. Plus my sister and brother-in law are teachers, so I get a first hand account of what is wrong with the school system. For example, if you want to become a doctor, the guidance counselor will try to steer you towards nursing(nursing is a noble profession, dont get me wrong). They do this even if you may be a prime candidate for this profession. I have a friend who had to go to a Human Rights tribunal in order to get into law school. Why is it when special attention is given to aboriginal and racialized people everyone becomes equal all of a sudden? Where are these people when discrimination is happening? As for being treated as special, perhaps attempts are being made to right past wrongs. how are natives ever supposed to feel equal if they are treated like they are special. I can assure you from first hand observations that they are not being treated special. The few crumbs thrown them does not equal equality. If they were equal to start, such handouts and programs would not be required.
Herneith on Sat 12 Dec 2009 at 21:42:16 it was created by the cheifs and lawyers as a way of scoring big money and keeping it themselves. i know plenty of natives and metis and they admit to me that its pure bullshit. Disputes over treaties, have been going on since the white man got here. So you know some natives and Metis and they agree with you? Do you know all of them? Or are you referring to them as being monolithic? I know many Metis and natives also. They would beg to disagree with your assumptions. You profess colour blindness yet you can itemize everything that is wrong with the natives and Metis. If you were living in an area with a large black population, you would be making the same remarks as you do with the natives and Metis, perhaps they may be slightly different given the circumstances. Comparing natives and other racialized people to people with severe mental illness and handicaps again reveals your obtuseness. Why, because, like the example you gave with welfare, there are blacks, natives and Metis who suffer the above as well. If righting past wrongs constitutes special treatment by your definition, than you are the one who should revaluate your stance and get over it. especially when its not even white people that are screwing them over anymnore, its their band leaders.
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I see, its all right for politicians to screw their constituents, but when a native or racialized person does this, its great as people like you can shift the blame back onto the wronged person. How convenient. There are dozens of aboriginal nations in Canada and not all of them are corrupt or screwing their members as you write. Like any other groups, there are good and bad. But I forgot, some natives and Metis told you this and they speak for all natives and metis in Canada, right. You will have to try better.
leigh204 @Herneith:
on Sat 12 Dec 2009 at 21:42:31
You go on! Should you ever run as a candidate for political office, you have my vote! Herneith for Prime Minister of Canada!
alwaysright101 @Herneith
on Sat 12 Dec 2009 at 21:56:08
when you mentioned the career steering thing,it reminds me of how my mom pretty much discouraged my dreams of being a fashion designer (reality is i only liked drawing clothes, and i hate sewing), a wedding planner, and pretty much everything, even a teacher. her reasoning though is that she just wants to make sure there will be a job out there (with the way jobs are disappearing these days). but she is now realizing there is no such thing as a safe/permanent job. but now i am trying to become a history teacher, but i really want to work in a museum (i am really into space and flying and pop culture)now i have every person asking me why i am not shooting straight for the museum thing first, and now i have to explain that i am playing it safe by working my way up a degree at a time (if i am lucky). heck my history lecture professor told me that it would benefit me to have a teaching degree due to the nature of the museum curating business. but reading your comment makes me glad i never went to the guidance counselor about my aspirationsthe teachers were encouraging but our counselors sucked they did not help anyone at all. and i sooo agree with you on the schools for blacks, they wouldnt be needed if white people were willing to be equal year round about things. like you said, whites only want to use the equality argument when they dont benefit from something. but certainly dont mind being unequal when they benefit and minorities dont.
Herneith on Sat 12 Dec 2009 at 22:15:02 AlwaysRight, and I must say that is an appropriate moniker based upon your other posts, do what you think is best. If you were to become a history teacher for purposes of employment, you could always parlay that into a curators job with further education. Depending on how well you do in university, and should you go onto post-graduate studies, such an aspiration is eminently feasible. Do-not let anyone deter you from your course if that is what you want to do. I am surprised your mother didnt support you as you have to start somewhere when you initially acquire employment. Jobs have never been a given regardless of the era. It is more pronounced now because of the economic climate. If you do decide to go into teaching as a starting point, try to get into a Canadian University as it is cheaper than the American ones! Whatever you decide, make sure
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you are doing it for you, whatever the outcome as I assume you are quite young and may change your goals down the line.
Herneith @leigh:
on Sun 13 Dec 2009 at 19:54:18
No thanks, Im too ornery and cannot lie to people with a straight face, something most politicians are adept at. If I campaigned on the truth, I would not get elected!
leigh204 @Herneith:
on Sun 13 Dec 2009 at 20:11:02
Most people cant handle the truth. That is why the world definitely needs more no-nonsense people like you.
Herneith @Leigh:
on Sun 13 Dec 2009 at 20:18:41
Sorry, the politician who tell the truth, are pilloried and in some instances killed off in certain regimes. History also bares this out. Nope, I perfer to remain as I am, basically an armchair critic, using their own system to beat them at their own game whenever the situation calls for it. But thanks for the thumbs up! As and aside, are you in Toronto?
leigh204 @Herneith:
on Sun 13 Dec 2009 at 20:28:50
Youre definitely on the ball about politicians who tell the truth being killed. In my moms homeland, she said there are people trying to make a change for the better, but then theyre murdered for doing so. Its terrible. Im out west from you in Winnipeg. Yup, that Winnipeg. lol!
Herneith Winnipeg, god help you dear, LOL!
on Mon 14 Dec 2009 at 00:18:21
MerriMay hey Leah and Herneith, Well be neighbours next year, am leaving ol London for Oh Canada
on Mon 14 Dec 2009 at 00:32:12
leigh204 Herneith Says: Winnipeg, god help you dear, LOL!
on Mon 14 Dec 2009 at 01:05:23
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I know! Tell me about it! lol! MerriMay Says: hey Leah and Herneith, Well be neighbours next year, am leaving ol London for Oh Canada Oh, thats great, MerriMay! Whereabouts in Canada will you be living?
Herneith Are you immigrating or is it a job assignment your moving for?
on Mon 14 Dec 2009 at 02:25:58
johnson on Tue 15 Dec 2009 at 18:08:34 not all of them are getting screwed, yeah right. manitoba hydro recently awarded the sagkeeng first nation 160 million to build a dam on reserve land, i bet not one dime of that will end up on the reserve. i bet almost none of them even knew the settlement was taking place. i wonder where the money wentits funny how people like phil fontaine live in mansions in the cities while people on ALL of the reserves live in third world conditions.
Herneith on Tue 15 Dec 2009 at 23:10:20 its funny how people like phil fontaine live in mansions in the cities while people on ALL of the reserves live in third world conditions. So what if Phil Fontaine lives in a mansion in cities. When a rich white person lives in a mansion in the city no one says anything for the most part. Its a given. Most dont comment on the disparities in living conditions of the rich whites and poor whites. If they do, its from the vantage point of class as opposed to race. Why would natives and metis be different in this regards. Are all Natives supposed to live in either mansions or hovels. Are the well off ones supposed to live in hovels and in third world conditions to prove they are down with their people? On the one hand you criticize natives and metis for getting special treatment, you criticize those that live in mansions. They cannot win for losing. You must know every native and metis in Canada, amazing. In the very least, you seem to have a hate on for them. Oh, I suppose white people do not exploit their own? I will reiterate, there are good and bad in every group, natives are no different yet you choose to highlight this whilst bemoaning this supposed preferential treatment. You seem to be preoccupied with them for some reason. You harp on special treatment for natives. I must say that this is typical for many whites in Canada. You seem to espouse concern for the welfare of natives which is really a hatred and resentment for this supposed special treatment, and natives in general.
johnson on Wed 16 Dec 2009 at 00:07:40 your totally missing the point. i dont hate the native people, i hate the system. of course there is corruption and disparity among whites but its not on the same level as the native community. the whole compensation for land thing isnt even about land anymore, everyone knows that. you think an ordinary native person thinks on a daily basis i wish our people had our land back, i wish all those white people never came here then my life would be so much better hell no, not seriously anyway. even if we could somehow possibly move everyone out and give them their
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land back, do you think thats what the chiefs would actually want. a hundred years ago, im sure the land settlement thing was a genuine fight for the native people (and yes, white people screwed them over), but its not anymore. and for the record, no particular race owns the land anymore, nor should they. any individual of any race can buy or sell property, the way it should be.
Herneith on Wed 16 Dec 2009 at 00:38:41 i dont hate the native people, i hate the system. Yes you hate the system especially when whites dont benefit from it. of course there is corruption and disparity among whites but its not on the same level as the native community. Theres corruption everywhere, yet you single out natives and metis. You would be better served critiquing the corruption in politics at the national level for example, where it exists, not disdaining the original inhabitants of this land, who in the scheme of things do not possess any real power. the whole compensation for land thing isnt even about land anymore, everyone knows that. you think an ordinary native person thinks on a daily basis i wish our people had our land back, i wish all those white people never came here then my life would be so much better hell no, not seriously anyway. Yes, I think many natives say these things to themselves. Again, you know every native in Canada to ascertain this right? a hundred years ago, im sure the land settlement thing was a genuine fight for the native people (and yes, white people screwed them over), but its not anymore. This is the same argument I hear when slavery and reparation is brought up. It was a hundred years ago! Of course the fallout of this history is never taken into account. Whenever whites perceive another group as getting special treatment, their clarion call becomes, but everyone is equal! I highly doubt they really care for natives and racialized people. If anything, many resent this special treatment. and for the record, no particular race owns the land anymore, nor should they. Another we are all equal! argument. These same arguments are applied to equal opportunity programs. any individual of any race can buy or sell property, the way it should be. Yes, especially after thieving it form the original owners/inhabitants.
johnson on Thu 17 Dec 2009 at 16:47:22 as for aboriginals-only or african-only schools you are totally nuts. there is no logic or benefit. you feel alone cause your in a mostly white school thats life. your not the only one. firstly, blacks are not that alone in toronto, they are 10% of the population and growing fast. that doesnt sound like much but its a big chunk when you consider how many racial groups live in toronto. secondly, that is pure discrimination. the government wont allow it. are you going to hire a black-only staff, are you going to say other races need not apply thats totally illegal. thirdly, that gives every race the right to start their own school, even whites. you can say, well whites are the majority, but not in every city or neighbourhood. yes, believe it or not, there may be whites that feel alone in mostly native or mostly black neighborhoods.
Herneith as for aboriginals-only or african-only schools you are totally nuts.
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Yes, Im nuts. Ever hear of the School of Arts? Ever hear of the Social Justice School? Have you heard of the possibility of boys only class/schools being discussed? Yes Im nuts, but so are the people at the Board of Education. you feel alone cause your in a mostly white school thats life. You are right in one respect; I did feel alone through my school years up until High School, when I transferred to a school that was more diverse. However, that is not the gist of what I am saying. I am saying that it is exactly, black history for example, is not taught in the schools to any great extent. There is streaming of black students and other racialized people into higher education which may not be commiserate with their actual capabilities. There are lower expectations for achievement for black and other racialized students many of whom are seen as lost causes, so no attempts are made to encourage them. The black centered school is a pilot project which is an attempt to correct this imbalance. Again, I ask you, why is it that anything attempted to right inequalities, is seen as treating the affected group as special? firstly, blacks are not that alone in toronto, they are 10% of the population and growing fast. So what? This means that there is no racism present? White flight is an indication of this. When the coloureds move in, the whites move out. Funny, when racialized people began moving out to the GTA, the whites are now reversing their flight and moving back to Toronto! This is a new trend.
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Herneith on Thu 17 Dec 2009 at 17:41:19 secondly, that is pure discrimination. the government wont allow it. are you going to hire a black-only staff, are you going to say other races need not apply thats totally illegal Oh, but the government has already done so. I dont know if this was applied in this case, but have you ever heard of a Human Rights exemption. This may have been applied here. The school is already up and running. As for saying other races need not apply, I dont think so. If the teacher has the qualifications to do so, teach in a black centered curriculum they will get the job. If non-black students wish to attend the school, they can, however, black children will be given precedence should space be an issue, much like the Catholic schools, non-Catholics can attend spacing requirements permitting. The reverse discrimination is a figment of your imagination! you can say, well whites are the majority, but not in every city or neighbourhood. yes, believe it or not, there may be whites that feel alone in mostly native or mostly black neighborhoods. You can say that there are neighbourhoods with a concentration or pockets of racial or ethnic groups, however, in this situation it is for mostly economic reasons. Why is this? Believe it or not, there are enclaves of poor whites. Most of these neighbourhoods consist of either economically deprived racialized people or new immigrants. Also, many of these neighborhoods are economically diverse. You can turn a corner and be in an upper-middle class, gentrified street. Black groups who are for whatever reason economically deprived are for the most part diverse. You get West Indians, Soamlis, Tibetans, Vietnamese, etc. You see there are diverse groups of people within those communities, very few are predominantly one group. So any white person living in these communities are there due to economic reasons, or are there by choice, gentrification/renovation. In fact, the housing market is on fire what with condos and home renovations. In fact, this gentrification is driving many of the original inhabitants out. However, with urban planning, this is being addressed via mixed income neighbourhoods. As for native neighborhoods, please tell me where they are as I havent seen nor heard of any.
johnson on Thu 17 Dec 2009 at 21:37:13 wow your arguments are weak. the reason black history isnt taught in canadian schools is because there were virtually no blacks in canada until recent times. there is no black heritage in canada, not compared to british, french, and aboriginal. as for school of arts, school of justice or boys and girls schools thats different, because any race can go there. catholic, jewish or any religious school is different because you can convert. hell you can even convert gender if you want, but you cant convert race. a guidance counsellor or teacher looks at academic performance, behavior, and participation when they suggest future occupations. medical school would require among the highest academic performance in the entire school. not to mention scholarships because of the huge cost of 8 years of college. a nurse is a more realistic option for most students. if a student is failing, the teacher isnt going to tell him to apply at harvard. maybe this was the case instead of racial profiling. if that wasnt the case for you, thats unfortunate. but i guess that means it must be the case for all minorities in all schools, since your personal experience counts for more than mine. what you say about neighborhoods for economic reasons isnt clear to me. there are very obvious racial neighborhoods in major cities that arent due to economics, but by choice. there are asian neighborhoods that are better off than others, same with blacks, i can think of several in my city alone.
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reverse discrimination is very real. you just said all of us whites move out as soon as the coloureds move in. thats racism. native neighbourhoods north end winnipeg, north end saskatoon, various parts of regina. urban reserves in calgary and edmonton. so tell me this, do you think there should be schools focussed on asians-only, east-indian-only, aboriginal-only, latino-only, arab-only, and every other race. i dont, i think we should all learn to live with each other.
Herneith wow your arguments are weak. If you say so. They are my arguments.
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the reason black history isnt taught in canadian schools is because there were virtually no blacks in canada until recent times. I beg to differ. There has been black populations in Canada since after the American Revolution (Nova Scotia), after the War of 1812, and via the underground railroad. In fact I am descended from the last two. Also, there has always been a black population in Toronto, albeit, not as large as it is today. there is no black heritage in canada, not compared to british, french, and aboriginal. as for school of arts, school of justice or boys and girls schools thats different, because any race can go there There is no black heritage in Canada? Youre ignorance is telling. Quite obviously you have no knowledge as to the history of blacks in Canada. You have just proved my point that such a school is needed! Thanks! But I guess it is of no concern to you as it doesnt affect you personally. Only the natives and metis committing crimes and getting special treatment do. catholic, jewish or any religious school is different because you can convert. hell you can even convert gender if you want, but you cant convert race. This is patently false. Anyone can go to a catholic school. It depends on the catchment area and spacing requirements. You do not have to convert to anything to go there. You are being facetious when you say anyone can convert their gender, and in effect are trivializing the plight of transgendered people. As for changing race, youd be surprised at how many people convert their race. If you had any knowledge of black and other racialized history youd know this. a guidance counselor or teacher looks at academic performance, behavior, and participation when they suggest future occupations. medical school would require among the highest academic performance in the entire school. not to mention scholarships because of the huge cost of 8 years of college. a nurse is a more realistic option for most students. I am not talking about students who do not have the requirements seeking to enter certain professions. I used the example of medical school only as that, an example. No, the fact of the matter is that it is more insidious. Black and other racialized students are streamed all the time. Woe betide the kid who doesnt have parents who are involved or fight for them in the school system. They are streamed into non-academic programs and given up on early . Teachers who encourage
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them and bolster their self-worth are few and far between. I am not referring to kids with unrealistic goals. If these goals are unrealistic, how did it get to be that way? That is the gist of the matter, hence the afro-centered school. It was only by the grace of a higher entity that I didnt fall into the trap that many other black students did. But this is only due to my contrarian and ornery nature.
Herneith on Fri 18 Dec 2009 at 01:06:43 what you say about neighborhoods for economic reasons isnt clear to me. there are very obvious racial neighborhoods in major cities that arent due to economics, but by choice. You were referring to Toronto. As to other cities out West, I am not familiar with them and quite frankly if they are populated with people with your racist views, I wouldnt want to go there. As for various groups choosing to live in racial neighbourhoods where you are from, why is that? Could it be that they wouldnt feel comfortable in a white neighbourhoods? After all there is safety in numbers. As for the economic reasons not being clear I thought they were very clear. If there are native neighbourhoods here, I havent seen or heard of one. Maybe the natives in these neighbourhoods converted their race and are passing for something else. reverse discrimination is very real. you just said all of us whites move out as soon as the coloureds move in. thats racism. You finally got something right! so tell me this, do you think there should be schools focussed on asians-only, east-indian-only, aboriginal-only, latino-only, arab-only, and every other race. i dont, i think we should all learn to live with each other. There already is an aboriginal school in Toronto. As for your other question, that is a typical reaction when a racialized group is perceived as getting something extra or something is being done for them; What about us, because that is really what you are saying. You still havent answered my question, why is it when racialized or natives are perceived as receiving special treatment, everyone all of a sudden is equal? Any way arguing with you is like farting in a wind tunnel. Have a nice day.
johnson on Sat 19 Dec 2009 at 17:48:55 i agree with you that even though natives receive special treatment (id call it social services) they arent on a level plane quite yet. but no amount of positive or negative support from white people or other races will change that. it will only change when they as individuals choose to make the change. there are poor native kids from bad families that can grow up doing all right. there are rich white kids from good families that end up on the street. there is very little any amount of money, social workers, help programs, etc. can do if they dont take advantage of it. and i know for a fact the ones who need it most dont. and im sorry to say but i dont think that white racism or streaming in schools is the cause for a kid to choose a life of crime. those are very very tiny setbacks in the grand scheme of things. if you let that affect you for your whole life, then thats your fault. you have to put the past behind you. you have to be realistic and realize that the vast majority of individual white people are not against them, or trying to hold them back, or afraid of them and want them to be miserable. thats a misconception, like some wierd conspiracy that doesnt exist.
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what i meant before about black history in canada: i didnt mean there was no black history, or it didnt exist, but that it isnt on the same scale as the british, french, and aboriginals. this is simply because there were not many blacks in canada at the time. yes, there were some, but not many. that is a true, simple, fact. it is not because i wasnt taught about black history in school. why is it when a white person makes the most simple, objective, intentionally unoffensive statement about another race someone has to get defensive and politically-correct about it? i was taught about the underground railroad in school. im not saying nothing ever happened. but schools only have so much time to teach history, and they have to teach the major points that is, the major events that shaped the country. the major figures in canadian history were whites and aboriginals, its just how it was. im not trying to be all white-and-superior here. they cant ignore the important major events and sidetrack to some politically-correct stuff just so everyone can feel good about themselves. good lord, be logical about it.
Herneith on Sat 19 Dec 2009 at 18:33:43 and i know for a fact the ones who need it most dont. and im sorry to say but i dont think that white racism or streaming in schools is the cause for a kid to choose a life of crime. Who characterized them as choosing a life of crime? This isnt about criminality but the use of the term get over it!, when any arguments or discussions on racism occurs. Whether or not someone chooses the life of crime due to circumstances of upbringing is not the question here. Most who are recipients of streaming do not resort to becoming criminals. Some succumb to it, others make the most of it, others surmount it. It is not a little thing to them as it can have a deleterious effect on their lifestyles and incomes. Maybe for you it is as you enjoy the privilege of not being privy to this treatment, or a recipient of it. Its not on your radar. I can assure you that it can and does prove to be a major setback in many racialized peoples lives. Because it doesnt happen to you doesnt mean it is a little thing. if you let that affect you for your whole life, then thats your fault Its not a matter of not letting it affect you. It affects you, its not something you choose to affect you. You are flipping the script and placing the blame back on the recipients of this treatment. you have to be realistic and realize that the vast majority of individual white people are not against them, or trying to hold them back, or afraid of them and want them to be miserable. thats a misconception, like some wierd conspiracy that doesnt exist Oh, but I am very realistic. I do-not subscribe to bizarre conspiracy theories. These are behaviours and modes of thoughts I, and many other racialized people have come across and experienced. As to whether or not whites are conscious of their behaviours and modes of thought, I dont know. What I don know is that it has a negative effect on many racialized people. At least if there was a conspiracy present, you could counter-act this. The scary part is the disconnect between the perceptions of racialized and white people. Therein lies the problem.
Ash on Sat 16 Jan 2010 at 06:54:56 This is old but I definitly went through this different words, but same feeling. Instead of being told by a white person I was told by a Latina. Instead of saying get over it she told me to stop painting everything as racist when I told someone that was her race to chill out with the word Nigga. Then she told me to Get with the times straight
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to my face.
voice of reason on Wed 10 Mar 2010 at 19:21:50 Just something to point out as I was reading this I think alot of the intentions of white people are misinterpreted. Unfortunately, because of the past, whites are often assumed to be racist, so its almost like some minorities almost expect them to act or say racist things. It seems like the words of white people get misconstrued when people think whites are exposing their inherited racism.
poetess on Fri 2 Apr 2010 at 18:52:34 What I love is when whites say you should work harder, or that if blacks didnt act like x,y or z then racism would stop. In other words, its our pathological behavior that is causing racism. Its like telling a rape victim that she asked for it. Yeah, tell that to all the upstanding people who had their whole towns destroyed by jealous, racist whites in the south( http://www.timbooktu.com/spence/burning.htm ) and people like Emmitt Till ( http://news.webshots.com/album/60097009xMUxkt ) or the dragging death of James Byrd in Texas ( http://www.cnn.com/US/9902/22/dragging.death.03/ ). This is not ancient history.
john on Sat 8 May 2010 at 03:18:07 uh yah just work harder instead of all this complaining take care of your family/kids black men please! Stop blaming white people, there is no other free country in this world! Get a grip!
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The Great White Man on Sat 8 May 2010 at 06:07:38 on Sat 8 May 2010 at 03:18:07 john uh yah just work harder instead of all this complaining take care of your family/kids black men please! Stop blaming white people, there is no other free country in this world! Get a grip! ^^^C/S 100% Also History is GONE! IT CANNOT BE CHANGEDBOTTOM LINE. Also all AA should drop all this BLACK centered garbage, stop stealing other peoples history, stop distorting religions and sciences to prove some sort of bogus superiority. Slavery sucked..I know but the White man put an end to it 150 Years ago! AA need to stop with this Africa trash also, you are not African, you are one of the lucky people, YOU ARE AMERICAN!! The Greatest Country in the WORLD!! And would you please stop with this politically correct nonsense? Bad mouthing things like THANKSGIVING, Columbus Day is down right patheticThose are GREAT HOLIDAYS that should be embraced by all Americans. Bottom Line..
merrimay on Sat 8 May 2010 at 10:58:08 Omg Leigh and Herneith I just saw your questions from ages ago, lol, quite late in replying, but here goes My family moved from South Africa to Canada when I was 5. Vancouver was home for 10yrs before we came to London. Company I work for has offices down there, am a citizen, works great all round
leigh204 @merrimay:
on Sat 8 May 2010 at 21:09:09
Thats awesome! When are you moving to Canada? Within weeks? Months?
merrimay Leigh LOL definitely not weeks, realistic time- frame is months Had an amazing childhood in Canada!
on Sat 8 May 2010 at 23:55:51
leigh204 @merrimay: Well, Canada cant wait to have ya. Get on a plane, missy!
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GataAgressiva on Fri 20 Aug 2010 at 21:28:22 Racism is not dying-it just takes on new forms. As long as the system white supremacy grows and thrives, racism will grow and thrive. Just because whites and blacks can go to school and work together does not mean racism is dying-it is just reaching a new stage in its development. SMH
Ankhesen Mi Abagond, have you done a post on gaslighting?
on Sun 3 Oct 2010 at 02:37:35
abagond No. Excellent suggestion.
on Sun 3 Oct 2010 at 08:03:20
Sid on Mon 12 Mar 2012 at 12:30:14 Sorry for posting in a dead topic, but I couldnt help but notice how this helpful advice is similar to something some people still believe about mental disability that overcoming it is simply a matter of willpower or any such platitude. Having been confronted with a similar experience, Ive discovered a counter-meme you might find useful. That would be Mind telling me how? I have yet to meet anyone with a response other than I dont know.
Ace @ Sid,
on Mon 12 Mar 2012 at 13:12:17
Youre on a roll with your posts. My brother gets the same treatment, usually while people are still doing the same things hes upset about in the first place. Usually it goes from I dont know. to Well then why dont you stop?, and then from that to, Nah
Iris on Wed 11 Jul 2012 at 02:27:54 I loathe this phrase. Its used to push aside concerns about many things as well as racism, for example, homophobia and sexism. Ive been told to get over it many times when Ive pointed out something offensive and wrong. Ive even been told to get over it when confiding in someone about a horrible and frightening experience when I was afraid I could get raped. How do you keep calm when someone casts aside your feelings so flippantly? What do you lot say when others tell you to get over it?
Julian Abagond: How to tell if a white person is a recovering racist on Sat 6 Jul 2013 at 05:01:21 | Migrant Tales [] of colour. Does not tell then what to feel or think or act high-handed. Does not tell them to Get over it. Does not put them down for their race, does not call them racial slurs or tell racist jokes. Does []
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