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Are SDAs Advancing?

One of the most significant statements by the Seventh-day Adventist Church in recent times regarding advancement in light is that of William G. Johnsson, Editor of the Adventist Review. "Adventist beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of present truth. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord...... the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by the early Adventists." - Adventist Review, Jan 6, 1994. p.10. Of such significance is this change that George Knight, Andrews University Seminary professor made the following statement in Ministry, the official Seventh-day Adventist journal for ministers: "Most of the founders of Seventh-day Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denominations Fundamental Beliefs. More specifically, most would not be able to agree to belief number 2, which deals with the doctrine of the trinity." - Ministry, October 1993, p. 10. A recent exposition on this new "advance in light" presented in the Week of Prayer readings, appointed to be read in all Seventh-day Adventist churches worldwide is as follows: "A plan of salvation was encompassed in the covenant made by the Three Persons of the Godhead, who possessed the attributes of Deity equally. In order to eradicate sin and rebellion from the universe and to restore harmony and peace, one of the divine Beings accepted, and entered into the role of the Father, another the role of the Son. The remaining divine Being, the Holy Spirit, was also to participate in effecting the plan of salvation." - Adventist Review, October 31,1996, p.12Gordon Jenson This statement unmistakably implies that (1) the appellations, Father and Son are merely designations based on an arrangement rather than substantive fact and (2) there are three separate Persons, each of whom is God, equally. The above conclusions are fundamentally opposed to the earlier beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists. This is evident by comparison with a statement of faith that was published in 1874, which declares: "1. That there is one God, a personal, spiritual Being, the Creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal; infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere present by His representative, the Holy Spirit. Psalm 139:7. 2. That there is one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Eternal Father, the One by whom God created all things, and by whom they do consist...."- Signs of the Times, June 4, 1874

Pioneers Not Arian

While the pioneers of the Seventh-day Adventist Church were distinctly non-Trinitarian, it is no less distinct that they were emphatically not Arian. That is, they were just as removed from that camp which denies the divinity of Christ and makes Christ a created being as they were removed from the Trinitarian camp. A sample of statements issued by some of the more notable ones among the Seventh-day Adventist pioneers show that they were not Arian. "The inexplicable Trinity that makes the Godhead three in one and one in three is bad enough; but that ultra Unitarianism that makes Christ inferior to the Father is worse. Did God say to an inferior, let us make man in our image? " - James White, Review and Herald, November 29, 1877 " ....the great mistake of Trinitarians, in arguing this subject, is this: they make no distinction between a denial of a trinity and a denial of the divinity of Christ. They see only the two extremes, between which the truth lies; and take every expression

referring to the pre-existence of Christ as evidence of a trinity. The Scriptures abundantly teach the preexistence of Christ and his divinity; but they are entirely silent in regard to a trinity."- J. H. Waggoner, Review and Herald, November 10, 1863 Ellen G. White, who is regarded by Seventh-day Adventists as a prophet, by no indication, differed from the other pioneers on this matter. While she did not use the term trinity, many of her statements were clearly incompatible with a trinity concept, but were evidently consistent with the general view of the other pioneers. The following statement furnishes an example: "Lucifer in heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to Gods dear Son.... Christ, Gods dear Son, had the preeminence over all the angelic host. He was one with the Father before the angels were created. Lucifer was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone. The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that He migh t in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon His Son.... The Father then made known that it was ordained by Himself that Christ His Son, should be equal with Himself; so that wherever was the presence of His Son, it was as His own presence. The word of the Son was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son He had invested with authority to command the heavenly host." - E.G. White, the Story of Redemption, p.13. Christ was not regarded as a created being, but rather as the literal Son of God, begotten of the Father; hence, of the same nature, being equally divine and of like mind, yet subject to His Father.

Startling Indeed
The editor of the Adventist Review, declared the doctrinal change to Trinitarianism, "Most startling", and indeed it is, but for perhaps other reasons than might have been foremost in consideration when it was so declared. The trinity has long been a cornerstone of Roman Catholic theology, as is declared, "The mystery of the trinity is the central doctrine of Catholic faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church." Handbook for Todays Catholic, p.16. When one considers that the founders of Seventh-day Adventism were not only anti-Trinitarian but also anti-Catholic it raises serious questions regarding the movements claim to be the remnant church when it has now come to accept the trinity which is the very central, root doctrine of Roman Catholicism. A number of questions arise which demand frank and honest answers. When Ellen G. White admonished the movement to advance in the light, was there envisioned in this a departure from established pillars? If so, what then, did she mean when she declared that God had led them step by step until He had placed them upon a "solid immovable platform" of truth, from which a block should not be moved nor a pin stirred (Early Writings pp.258,259)? Why did the pioneers of the Seventh-day Adventist Church write so extensively against the trinity doctrine and were never once rebuked or corrected by the prophet who was among them? Why did the Seventh-day Adventist Church accept and profess Trinitarianism only after the prophet had died? Who or what do we worship? Do we worship a three-person God-committee or a Personal, Sovereign Being? Was the love of God for humanity manifested in the sacrifice of merely a colleague, an associate or a fellow God? Is Christ not truly the Son of God, but only "Son" by designation, based on an arrangement? The faith of the pioneers was predicated on the view of God as a Personal Being, a literal Father, who has an eternal relationship with an only begotten, beloved, literal Son. In the gift to humanity of His dearly beloved Son is seen the measure of Gods love (John 3:16; 1 John 4:9). David, the man after Gods own heart (Acts 13:22), in his mourning and lamentation over the death of his son Absalom is perhaps a faint reflection of that which occurred in Gods heart of infinite love as He endured the scene of His only begotten Son expiring on the cross. David mourned, "0 my son Absalom, my son, my son Absalom! Would God I had died for thee, 0 Absalom, my son, my son!" 2 Sam. 18:33. So fundamental is this truth (that Christ is the Son of God) that, upon Peters confession "Thou art the Christ, t he Son of the living God," Jesus declared, "flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.... upon this rock I willbuild my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it". Matt. 16:16-18.

The trinity concept of God distorts the most fundamental truth of Christianity, that "God (the protagonist) so (to such extent) loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son ...." John 3:16. Yet Seventh-day Adventists have joined the majority of churches in Christendom in professing belief in the trinity, declaring this change to be an advancement in light. Is such a change indeed advancement in light? Or is it rather a mirror image of Israels experience when it was said of them: "And the people served the LORD all the days of Joshua, and all the days of the elders that outlived Joshua, who had seen all the great works of the LORD, that he did for Israel and there arose another generation after them, which knew not the LORD, nor yet the works which he had done for Israel (Judges 2: 7, 10).

The Nature of the Holy Spirit is a Mystery Add comments The following is the original quote Ellen White made concerning the mystery of the Holy Spirit which is often quoted in Acts of the Apostles, p 52. That it has been edited by the publishers/authorities is immediately obvious when compared with the original statement below. Brother Chapman was holding to a view that the identity of the Holy Spirit was Gabriel and was not being sent out to preach because he did not agree that the Comforter is Christ. Ellen White told brother Chapman to come into harmony with the brethren. Ellen White, in Petoskey, Michigan, to Brother Chapman on 11 June, 1891: I have received yours dated June 3. In this letter you speak in these words: Elder Robinson does not want me to leave, but urges that I enter the canvassing field until such time as the conference can afford to employ me in some other capacity, but states positively that I cannot be sent out to present the truth to others until some points held by me are changed or modified in order that the views regarded by us as a people should be properly set forth. (p 475) He quotes as a sample, My idea in reference to the Holy Ghosts not being the Spirit of God, WHICH IS CHRIST, but the angel

Gabriel, and my belief that the 144,000 will be Jews who will acknowledge Jesus as the Messiah. On all fundamental points I am in perfect harmony with our people; but when I try to show what seems to me to be new light on the truth, those in authority, none of whom have seemingly ever made a personal investigation of the matter, refuse to look into the Bible, but brand me as a fellow with queer ideas of the Bible. Your ideas of the two subjects you mention do not harmonize with the light which God has given me. The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery not clearly revealed, and you will never be able to explain it to others because the Lord has not revealed it to you. You may gather together Scriptures and put your construction upon them, but the application is not correct. The expositions by which you sustain your position are not sound. You may lead some to accept your explanations, but you do them no good, nor are they, through accepting your views, enabled to do others good. It is not essential for you to be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in My name. I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter that He may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him, for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you (John 14:16, 17). This refers to the omnipresence of the spirit of Christ, called the Comforter. There are many mysteries, which I do not seek to understand or to explain; they are too high for me and too high for you. On some of these points silence is goldenI hope that you will seek to be in harmony with the bodyyou make the mistake that many others have made, of thinking that you have new light, when it is only a new phase of error. You need to come into harmony with your brethren. It is your duty to come as near to the people as you can. Now, my brother, it is truth that we want and must have, but do notintroduce error as new truth. MR 1107. Notice above he is out of harmony with the brethren on the identity of the Holy Spirit which his brethren say is Christ. And Ellen White says that he needs to come into harmony with the body. Also regarding the nature of the Holy Spirit that is not for us to define. However the identity of the spirit is clearly revealed. There is no comforter like Christ, so tender and so true. He is touched with the feeling of our infirmities. His Spirit speaks to the heart. The influence of the Holy Spirit is the life of Christ in the soul. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, October 26, 1897)

The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the Comforter, as one who reproves, who warns, who admonishes them,saying, This is the way, walk ye in it. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, August 26, 1890, also in Reflecting Christ, page 21)

The truth about God and Jesus Christ being a literal father and son has become an agitated topic in the Seventh-day Adventism. Many who are realizing this amazing truth are becoming heart broken by the magnificent love that the father bestowed upon us while we were yet sinners in giving us his only begotten son. This son is not a son by creation as are the angels, not a son by adoption like we are, but a son begotten in heaven in earliest times according to the early Adventists. The Truth about God - Our pioneers wrote much about this topic and spoke about this amazing love of God in many of their writings which you may link to here: Pioneers on the Trinity and the Truth about God- The conference church of Seventh Day Adventists has come to believe in a trinity and they have denounced those who hold fast the faith delivered to the saints as heretics. This is history repeating itself. Please be sure to view the pages that are dedicated to each pioneer of our faith. See More The Elijah Message - See the parralels of the Elijah Message and how today every type of the Elijah Message is fulfilled by the modern church today. And how the truth about God is the central message of Elijah. That like Israel in that day all Israel was ignorantly worshipping another God. See how this has happened again and that the stage is set for a showdown at Mount Carmel. See More Who is God? - Back in the day shortly after Christ, there were disputes regarding the truth about God, his identity and character of the Almighty God. Some of the Gentiles had many ideas regarding who God was. Paul, who wrote most of the books in the New Testament came to the Gentiles in Athens and noticed that they did not know what they were worshipping. The God they worshipped was a MYSTERY to them. Foundation and Pillars of our Faith Changed: Have the pillars of our Seventh Day Adventist faith been changed? Many when they think of the pillars of the Seventh Day Adventist faith think of the Sanctuary and the three angels messages. These are the

pillars of our faith. There is a truth that is seen in the sanctuary. The truth about God and his son are seen in the sanctuary. Fear God and give glory to him. The Omega of deadly Heresies - This study documents the prediction of the Trinity entering into the Seventh Day Adventist Church. This was foresaw many years ago with such amazing accuracy that only God could have given such a prophecy. See More Also another study that goes over all the details of God, Christ and the Holy Spirit and how they relate to each other is documented here: Ellen White on the Trinity and the truth about God - This study goes over the issue of what Ms. Whites understanding was in regards to God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. Did she believe that 3 beings were to be exalted or did she believe that the father and son alone are to be exalted? Did she believe Christ was a son before becoming a man? These and several other questions are answered in this study. See More Mystery of God Revealed - Is Gods identity a mystery? Learn the truth about God. Jesus prayed that we might know the only true God and Jesus Christ who God sent. Knowledge of God the father and his son Jesus Christ is the foundation of the bible. The devil seeks to mask God as an impersonal God that is called the trinity but what does the bible reveal? See More have some other studies on the Spirit of Prophecy which issue as well as several miscellaneous articles below.

mystery of the And also we go over this The Comforter about our not leave you

which is the Holy Spirit -This study goes over the truth comforter. Jesus Christ reveals himself by saying I will comfortless, I will come to you(John 14:18)See More The Intercessor- This a reply to a pastor on how Christ is the one who maketh intercession for us. It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who intercession for us.(Rom 8:34) See More also maketh The Person of the Spirit - Sister White wrote on several occasions that the Holy Spirit is a person. Today, many take these statements as evidence that she thought that the Holy Spirit is another being like the Father and the Son, the third member of a Triune God. But are these texts really teaching a Trinity? The Whore of Babylon - See an amazing study that not only reveals the identity of the Whore of Babylon but also reveals her characteristics and what they represent and lastly the God of Babylon. See More Michael the Archangel - This study documents the angel of the LORD throughout the Old Testament and how he makes intercession for Israel and how he spoke to many of our Patriarchs including Moses, Abraham

and Jacob and finally stood in the fire with the 3 Hebrew boys. Then it goes over the quotes about the archangel and Michael and we see that there is one being that fits the bill and that Michael was the pre-incarnate Prince of heaven The son of the Majesty on High and his express likeness. See More Stay on the Ship - The saying in the Seventh Day Adventist conference church is often stay on the ship, its going into harbor. But this amazing study shows what was meant when Ellen White was saying stay on the ship. Fascinatingly the General Conference of SDAs is no longer on the ship. See more Third Person of the Godhead - Ellen White has some seemingly hard to understand texts regarding the third person of the Godhead. See the context of these verses and how she is not teaching a trinity, and how others came to misunderstand her writings as well. Christ begotten in Eternity - Christ the firstborn of heaven was begotten in eternity in the express image of God. This is a compilation of quotes from the pioneers of the Seventh Day Adventist Church regarding this matter. See More Latter Rain withheld because of a Whores Forehead - What is it that had caused no rain in Elijahs day according to scriptures? The law tells us that if we follow other Gods there will be no rain in the seasons. In Elijahs day, all Israel had gone after BAAL. An entire nation ignorant to the fact that they were worshipping the gods of the heathen. Has the very same thing happened today? A Bible Study on the Trinity According to the Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh Day Adventists - The General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists in 1980 put out the 27 Fundamental Beliefs and over the years this was changed to 28 Fundamental Beliefs. This is not a detailed study on the Fundamental Beliefs. In this study we will examine Fundamental Beliefs #2 through #5 which deal with the doctrine of the Trinity. We will examine the scriptures referenced in Fundamental Beliefs. Answering Evangelism Pages 615-617 - Answering Evangelism Page 615617 Leroy Frooms seemingly Trinitarian Collection of EGW writings. How many times have we seen these quotes. All apparently Trinitarian. All these quotes are actually non-trinitarian when we look carefully. Sadly so many are merely surface reading these quotes and not studying carefully. The Deadliest Heresy in Seventh Day Adventism - A prophecy was given 100 years ago by Ellen G. White. It was called the Omega of Deadly Heresies. It was prophesied after a book was published by John Harvey Kellogg called The Living Temple. God gave a warning to us that this omega of deadly heresies would follow. This was a certainty. Not a few would receive it who did not heed the warnings given with respect to the Alpha.

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for THE faith which was once delivered unto the saints (Jude 3, 4) The exhortation to contend for the faith delivered to the saints, is to us alone. And it is very important for us to know what for and how to contend. In the 4th verse he gives us the reason why we should contend for THE faith, a particular faith; for there are certain men, or a certain class who deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed, viz., that Jesus Christ is the eternal God, though they have not one passage to support it, while we have plain scripture testimony in abundance that he is the Son of the eternal God. (James White, January 24, 1846,The Day Star) Changing the Truth About God Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen This is the knowledge needed by all who are working for the uplifting of their fellow men. Transformation of character, purity of life, efficiency in service, adherence to correct principles, all depend upon a right knowledge of God. This knowledge is the essential preparation both for this life and for the life to come. A knowledge of God is the foundation of all true education and of all true service. It is the only real safeguard against temptation. It is this alone that can make us like God in character.The knowledge of the Holy is understanding. Proverbs 9:10. Through a knowledge of Him are given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness. 2 Peter 1:3. This is life eternal, said Jesus, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent. John 17:3. [Ministry of Healing Page 409-410] Difficult Texts on the Truth about God John 16:13, 14 - The comforter, who is this verse talking about? 1 John 5:20 - What is the truth about God in this verse. Looking at this verse we see the true God has a son. So he must be a father, not a Trinity 2 Corinthians 13:14 - This verse talks about God, Christ and the holy spirit. Only one being is referred to as God in this verse. Acts 5:3, 4 - Lying to Gods spirit is akin to lying to God himself. Is this God a trinity

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5. Hebrews 1:8 - Hebrews 1 talks about God speaking through his son. This God is a father, and he calls his son god. He also called them gods unto whom he gave the scriptures(John 10:35) Could this refer to Christs nature? 6. Isaiah 43:10 - Isaiah 43:10 tells us there is only one God and none other but he. Paul says There is one God the father 7. John 1:1 - The word was of substance and nature fully God, then the word was of substance and nature made flesh. This refers to the nature of Christ, not his identity. To us there is but one God the father(1Cor 8:6) 8. John 8:58 - Jesus talks about coming in his fathers authority and name and speaking to Abraham and Moses. 9. John 10:17 - Jesus is raised from the dead. He says this commandment recieved he of the father. So who raised Jesus? 10. John 10:30 - Jesus said I and my father are one. This unity he desired to exist between his apostles when he said that they may be one even as we are one(John 17:11, 21-22). Jesus was not speaking of a 12 headed trinity but the unity that exists between God his father and himself. 11. Matthew 28:19 - This verse discusses baptism of the apostles. Does it teach a trinity. Interestingly the title God is not even used in this verse. The apostles never once baptized in this name. 12. Phillipians 2:5-9 - Phillipians 2:5-9 goes over the issue of Christ and his form and nature. Christ was in the form of and equal with God. Was he the God he was equal with? Does this verse teach a trinity? Or does it teach Christ had Gods nature and that God is a father? 13. 1 John 5:7 - There are three that bear record. Verse 10 says the record is that God is a father, not a trinity. Verse 10 also tells us many do not believe the record that God gave his son. Some believe God is not really a father 14. Genesis 1:26 - God said let us. Does this mean God was talking to himself? Is this teach us a trinity? Or maybe God is a single being who was talking to his son Jesus Christ. Maybe this verse is non-trinitarian. What does the bible teach us about the title elohim(God)? 15. Isaiah 9:6 - Isaiah 9:6 tells us about a son that is given. This son is Gods son. Christ is made an everlasting father over Israel and the children God gave him, the government is placed on his shoulders. The same was said of Eliakim son of Hilkiah in Isaiah 22:21. Is this telling us that Eliakim is part of a Trinity? Or is this verse nontrinitarian? 16. Isaiah 44:6/Revelation 1:17 - The first and the last. Revelation 1:17 also mentions Christ as the first and the last. Is this verse teaching us a trinity? Or is this verse actually non-trinitarian? 17. Matthew 3:16, 17 - Shows the father talking to his son. Is this verse teaching a trinity or is it non-trinitarian? Some have said because we see the spirit as a dove that means it is a person. Birds are known in scripture to be representative of angels.[Rev 18:3]

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Revelation 1:8 - It is believed by many that Revelation 1:8 is referring to Christ Jesus and many believe this verse proves a trinity. But a closer look at this verse reveals that this verse is speaking about our one God the almighty father and is actually a non-trinitarian verse. 19. Romans 8:26 - Romans 8:26 talks about the holy spirit making intercession for us. The bible speaks of one being who makes intercession for us. We have one God and one mediator between us and God, the man Christ Jesus. Romans 8 talks about the intercession of Christ Jesus our high priest. 20. Titus 2:13 - The question is, should this verse be read to say, the appearing of the great God who is our Saviour Jesus Christ, or should it be read as saying, the appearing of the great God, as well as of our Saviour Jesus Christ? Does this verse teach a trinity or is this verse non-trinitarian? 21. Isaiah 48:11 - Many say this verse teaches us that Jesus Christ is God and that Isaiah 48:11 is talking about a Trinity. But we take a closer look at this issue and the bible reveals that this verse is non-trinitarian and is not talking about the trinity at all. 22. John 20:28 Thomas says to Jesus my Lord and my God. Some say that Thomas is calling Jesus his God. Is this verse Trinitarian. This page takes a look at this verse and reveals some amazing things about our one God the father and one Lord Jesus Christ1 Cor 8:6 and shows that this verse does not teach a trinity. 23. Micah 5:2 - is often used to prove a trinity. But looking closely at this text we see that it teaches us that Christ had an origin in heaven. This verse teaches us that he came out from God and is the son of the eternal God and is non-trinitarian. 24. Hebrews 11:17 This verse is used to prove that Christ was not the literal begotten son of God. It refers to Abraham and Isaac, but when taking a closer look, God shows us much more regarding the relationship of Him and His Son. Ellen White Seemingly Trinitarian Statements 1. Heavenly Trio context quote in its context, then it is reread again with brackets added to see if it is actually teaching a Trinity. Seems this quote is actually antitrinitarian and teaching a non-trinitarian view as it was spoken in regards to a heresey that John Harve Kellogg had adopted. 2. Three great worthies and three holiest beings. Is this Ellen White? There is a reason why this quote does not deserve any creedence. She never taught a trinity in 1000s of pages of writings. Her family was non-trinitarian. Why? 3. Original, unborrowed, underived life - In Christ is life original, unborrowed, underived. Man can posess this life as it is the life that flows from God to his only begotten son and is given to whomsoever he willeth. Some have thought that this statement teaches Christ had no beginning. But this original, unborrowed, underived life can be possessed by men. 4. Christ is not God in personality - But yet he is God in respect to his form, substance and nature which he possessed from his father. His father is the only true God.

5. Holy Spirit a person as much as God is a person - This quote says God is a person. This seems to be non-trinitarian as well. Since Trinitarians teach that God is three persons. 6. Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity - Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity Ellen White Evangelism God is distinct from his son, and his spirit in this quote. This to me indicates that the title God in this quote refers to the father alone. I dont think that we can read into this quoteGod the father, son and holy spirit, and Christ and the Holy Spirit. The title God refers alone to the father in this quote and as far as can be seen in not Trinitarian at all. 7. Third Person of the Godhead - Ellen White has some seemingly hard to understand texts regarding the third person of the Godhead. See the context of these verses and how she is not teaching a trinity, and how others came to misunderstand her writings as well. 8. The term Godhead in the SOP - Many today are using the term godhead to mean God. Some have tried to replace the term trinity with godhead. But the truth is: God has a Godhead. The Godhead is a characteristic of God. Notice in the following verse that his Godhead is clearly seen in the things made. 9. The Three Great Powers - The three great powers of heaven, God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. To us there is but one God the father. Is this teaching a trinity, or is it actually non-trinitarian. 10. Nature of the Holy Spirit a Mystery - The following is the original quote Ellen White made concerning the mystery of the Holy Spirit which is often quoted in Acts of the Apostles, p 52. Brother Chapman was holding to a view that the identity of the Holy Spirit was Gabriel and was not being sent out to preach because he did not agree that the Comforter is Christ. Ellen White told brother Chapman to come into harmony with the brethren. 11. The Godhead was Stirred with Pity - The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave Themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. Does this text teach us that God is a Trinity? Lets look carefully and see who is identified as God, who is identified as Christ, and what the Godhead is. Book Putting the Pieces Together - Harmonizing Seemingly Hard to Understand Quotes from Ellen Whites writings on the topic of the Godhead. Contents: (1) the heavenly Trio (2) there never was a time (3) life, original, unborrowed, underived (4) eternal heavenly dignitaries (5) as much a person (6) Holy Spirit is a person (7) third person of the Godhead

(8) three highest powers (9) gave themselves (10) three holiest beings Appendix I (Dr. Kellogg & the Trinity) Appendix II (How many divine beings?) Book The Godhead in Black and White - This book help to shed light on this most wondrous, and much maligned, truth of God. Contents: 1) The Early Years 1827-1862 2) The Progressive Years 1862-1876 3) The Lonely Years 1876-1891 4) The Australian Years 1891-1900 5) The Crisis Years 1900-1905 6) The Final Years 1905-1915 Appendix - (Dr. Kellogg & the Trinity)

Fundamental Principles Changed Add comments The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would

be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced.(Ellen White Selected Messages bk.1, p. 204 written in 1904) Adventist beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of present truth. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord.

Many of the pioneers, including James White, J.N. Andrews, Uriah Smith, and J.H. Waggoner, held to an Arian or semi-Arian view that is, the Son at some point in time before the Creation of our world was generated by the Father the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by the early Adventists. Even today a few do not subscribe to it. (William G. Johnsson in the Adventist Review, Jan. 6, 1994 p.10) Here are the fundamental Principles that have been changed as prophecied by Ms. Ellen G. White and publicized in our modern church publications. Specifically principle #1 and #2 are changed among other differences which stem off of these 2 primary pillars of our faith.

FUNDAMENTAL PRINCIPLES TAUGHT AND PRACTICED BY THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTISTS. Built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone. EPHESIANS 2:20. STEAM PRESS OF THE SEVENTH-DAY ADVENTIST PUBLISHING ASSOCIATION, BATTLE CREEK, MICH.: 1872 In presenting to the public this synopsis of our faith, we wish to have it distinctly understood that we have no articles of faith, creed, or discipline, aside from the Bible. We do not put forth this as having any authority with our people, nor is it designed to secure uniformity among them, as a system of faith, but is a brief statement of what is, and has been, with great unanimity, held by them. We often find it necessary to meet inquiries on this subject, and sometimes to correct false statements circulated against us, and to remove erroneous impressions which have obtained with those who have not had an opportunity to become acquainted with our faith and practice. Our only object is to meet this necessity. As Seventh-day Adventists we desire simply that our position shall be understood; and we are the more solicitous for this because there are many who call themselves Adventists who hold views with which we can have

no sympathy, some of which, we think, are subversive of the plainest and most important principles set forth in the word of God. As compared with other Adventists, Seventh-day Adventists differ from one class in believing in the unconscious state of the dead, and the final destruction of the unrepentant wicked; from another, in believing in the perpetuity of the law of God as summarily contained in the ten commandments, in the operation of the Holy Spirit in the church, and in setting no times for the advent to occur; from all, in the observance of the seventh day of the week as the Sabbath of the Lord, and in many applications of the prophetic scriptures. With these remarks, we ask the attention of the reader to the following propositions which aim to be a concise statement of the more prominent features of our faith. I.That there is one God, a personal, spiritual being, the creator of all things, omnipotent, omniscient, and eternal, infinite in wisdom, holiness, justice, goodness, truth, and mercy; unchangeable, and everywhere present by his representative, the Holy Spirit. Ps. 139:7. II. That there is one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Eternal Father, the one by whom God created all things, and by whom they do consist; that he took on him the nature of the seed of Abraham for the redemption of our fallen race; that he dwelt among men full of grace and truth, lived our example, died our sacrifice, was raised for our justification, ascended on high to be our only mediator in the sanctuary in Heaven, where, with his own blood he makes atonement for our sins; which atonement so far from being made on the cross, which was but the offering of the sacrifice, is the very last portion of his work as priest according to the example of the Levitical priesthood, which foreshadowed and prefigured the ministry of our Lord in Heaven. See Lev. 16; Heb. 8:4, 5; 9:6, 7; c. III. That the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments, were given by inspiration of God, contain a full revelation of his will to man, and are the only infallible rule of faith and practice. IV. That Baptism is an ordinance of the Christian church, to follow faith and repentance, an ordinance by which we commemorate the resurrection of Christ, as by this act we show our faith in his burial and resurrection, and through that, of the resurrection of all the saints at the last day; and that no other mode fitly represents these facts than that which the Scriptures prescribe, namely, immersion. Rom. 6:3-5; Col. 2:12.

V. That the new birth comprises the entire change necessary to fit us for the kingdom of God, and consists of two parts: first, a moral change, wrought by conversion and a Christian life; second, a physical change at the second coming of Christ, whereby, if dead, we are raised incorruptible, and if living, are changed to immortality in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye. John 3:3, 5; Luke 20:36. VI. We believe that prophecy is a part of Gods revelation to man; that it is included in that scripture which is profitable for instruction, 2 Tim. 3: 16; that it is designed for us and our children, Deut. 29: 29; that so far from being enshrouded in impenetrable mystery, it is that which especially constitutes the word of God a lamp to our feet and a light to our path, Ps. 119: 105, 2 Pet. 2:19; that a blessing is pronounced upon those who study it, Rev. 1:1-3; and that, consequently, it is to be understood by the people of God sufficiently to show them their position in the worlds history, and the special duties required at their hands. VII. That the worlds history from specified dates in the past, the rise and fall of empires, and chronological succession of events down to the setting up of Gods everlasting kingdom, are outlined in numerous great chains of prophecy; and that these prophecies are now all fulfilled except the closing scenes. VIII. That the doctrine of the worlds conversion and temporal millennium is a fable of these last days, calculated to lull men into a state of carnal security, and cause them to be overtaken by the great day of the Lord as by a thief in the night; that the second coming of Christ is to precede, not follow, the millennium; for until the Lord appears the papal power, with all its abominations, is to continue, the wheat and tares grow together, and evil men and seducers wax worse and worse, as the word of God declares. IX. That the mistake of Adventists in 1844 pertained to the nature of the event then to transpire, not to the time; that no prophetic period is given to reach to the second advent, but that the longest one, the two thousand and three hundred days of Dan. 8:14, terminated in that year, and brought us to an event called the cleansing of the sanctuary. X. That the sanctuary of the new covenant is the tabernacle of God in Heaven, of which Paul speaks in Hebrews 8, and onward, of which our Lord, as great High Priest, is minister; that this sanctuary is the antitype of the Mosaic tabernacle, and that the priestly work of our Lord, connected therewith, is the antitype of the work of the Jewish priests of the former dispensation. Heb. 8:1-5, c.; that this is the sanctuary to be cleansed at the end of the 2300 days, what is termed its cleansing being in this case, as in the type, simply the entrance of the high priest into the most holy place, to finish the round of service connected therewith, by blotting out and removing from the

sanctuary the sins which had been transferred to it by means of the ministration in the first apartment, Heb. 9:22, 23; and that this work, in the antitype, commencing in 1844, occupies a brief but indefinite space, at the conclusion of which the work of mercy for the world is finished. XI. That Gods moral requirements are the same upon all men in all dispensations; that these are summarily contained in the commandments spoken by Jehovah from Sinai, engraven on the tables of stone, and deposited in the ark, which was in consequence called the ark of the covenant, or testament. Num. 10:33, Heb. 9:4, c.; that this law is immutable and perpetual, being a transcript of the tables deposited in the ark in the true sanctuary on high, which is also, for the same reason, called the ark of Gods testament; for under the sounding of the seventh trumpet we are told that the temple of God was opened in Heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament. Rev. 11:19. XII. That the fourth commandment of this law requires that we devote the seventh day of each week, commonly called Saturday, to abstinence from our own labor, and to the performance of sacred and religious duties; that this is the only weekly Sabbath known to the Bible, being the day that was set apart before Paradise was lost, Gen. 2:2, 3, and which will be observed in paradise restored, Isa. 66:22, 23; that the facts upon which the Sabbath institution is based confine it to the seventh day, as they are not true of any other day; and that the terms, Jewish Sabbath, and Christian Sabbath, as applied to the weekly rest-day, are names of human invention, unscriptural in fact, and false in meaning. XIII. That as the man of sin, the papacy, has thought to change times and laws (the laws of God), Dan. 7:25, and has misled almost all Christendom in regard to the fourth commandment, we find a prophecy of a reform in this respect to be wrought among believers just before the coming of Christ. Isa.56:1, 2, 1 Pet. 1:5, Rev. 14:12, c. XIV. That as the natural or carnal heart is at enmity with God and his law, this enmity can be subdued only by a radical transformation of the affections, the exchange of unholy for holy principles; that this transformation follows repentance and faith, is the special work of the Holy Spirit, and constitutes regeneration or conversion. XV. That as all have violated the law of God, and cannot of themselves render obedience to his just requirements, we are dependent on Christ, first, for justification from our past offenses, and, secondly, for grace whereby to render acceptable obedience to his holy law in time to come. XVI. That the Spirit of God was promised to manifest itself in the church through certain gifts, enumerated especially in 1 Cor. 12 and Eph. 4; that these gifts are not designed to supersede, or take the place of, the Bible, which is sufficient to make us wise unto

salvation, any more than the Bible can take the place of the Holy Spirit; that, in specifying the various channels of its operation, that Spirit has simply made provision for its own existence and presence with the people of God to the end of time, to lead to an understanding of that word which it had inspired, to convince of sin, and to work a transformation in the heart and life; and that those who deny to the Spirit its place and operation, do plainly deny that part of the Bible which assigns to it this work and position. XVII. That God, in accordance with his uniform dealings with the race, sends forth a proclamation of the approach of the second advent of Christ; and that this work is symbolized by the three messages of Rev. 14, the last one bringing to view the work of reform on the law of God, that his people may acquire a complete readiness for that event. XVIII. That the time of the cleansing of the sanctuary (see propositionX), synchronizing with the time of the proclamation of the third message, is a time of investigative judgment, first, with reference to the dead, and at the close of probation with reference to the living, to determine who of the myriads now sleeping in the dust of the earth are worthy of a part in the first resurrection, and who of its living multitudes are worthy of translationpoints which must be determined before the Lord appears. XIX. That the grave, whether we all tend, expressed by the Hebrew sheol and the Greek hades, is a place of darkness in which there is no work, device, wisdom, nor knowledge. Eccl. 9:10. XX. That the state to which we are reduced by death is one of silence, inactivity, and entire unconsciousness. Ps. 146:4; Eccl. 9:5, 6; Dan. 12:2, c. XXI. That out of this prison house of the grave mankind are to be brought by a bodily resurrection; the righteous having part in the first resurrection, which takes place at the second advent of Christ, the wicked in the second resurrection, which takes place a thousand years thereafter. Rev. 20:4-6. XXII. That at the last trump, the living righteous are to be changed in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, and with the resurrected righteous are to be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, so forever to be with the Lord. XXIII. That these immortalized ones are then taken to Heaven, to the New Jerusalem, the Fathers house, in which there are many mansions, John 14:1-3, where they reign with Christ a thousand years, judging the world and fallen angels, that is, apportioning the punishment to be executed upon them at the close of the one thousand years; Rev. 20:4; 1 Cor. 6:2, 3; that during this time the earth lies in a desolate and chaotic condition, Jer.4:23-27, described, as in the beginning by the Greek term abussos )bottomless pit (Septuagint of Gen. 1:2); and that here Satan is ______( confined

during the thousand years, Rev. 20:1, 2, and here finally destroyed, Rev. 20:10; Mal. 4:1; the theater of the ruin he has wrought in the universe, being appropriately made for a time, his gloomy prison house, and then the place of his final execution. XXIV. That at the end of the thousand years, the Lord descends with his people and the New Jerusalem, Rev. 21:2, the wicked dead are raised and come up upon on the surface of the yet unrenewed earth, and gather about the city, the camp of the saint, Rev. 20:9, and fire comes down from God out of heaven and devours them. They are then consumed root and branch, Mal. 4:1, becoming as though they had not been. Obad. 15, 16. In this everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, 2 Thess. 1:9, the wicked meet the everlasting punishment threatened against them, Matt.25:46, This is the perdition of ungodly men, the fire which consumes them being the fire for which the heavens and the earth which are now are kept in store, which shall melt even the elements with its intensity, and purge the earth from the deepest stains of the curse of sin. 2 Peter 3:712. XXV. That new heavens and earth shall spring by the power of God from the ashes of the old, to be, with the New Jerusalem for its metropolis and capital, the eternal inheritance of the saints, the place where the righteous shall evermore dwell. 2 Peter 3:13; Ps. 37:11, 29; Matt. 5:5.

The Foundation and Pillars of the Seventh Day Adventist Faith Changed Pioneers, Prophecy, Spirit of Prophecy, Truth About God, Who is the Church? Add comments

The Foundation and Pillars of the Seventh Day Adventist Faith Changed? The Pillars Removed Before your Eyes Have the pillars of our Seventh Day Adventist faith been changed? Many when they think of the pillars of the Seventh Day Adventist faith think of the Sanctuary and the three angels messages. These are the pillars of our faith. There is a truth that is seen in the sanctuary. Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.

The truth about God and his son are seen in the sanctuary. Pillar of our faith The personality of God or of Christ Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor. {E. G. White, Manuscript Release No.760, p. 9} 1905 Ellen White said plainly that the pillars of our faith included an understanding of the personality of God or of Christ. This has to do with identity. It has to do with who Christ is, and who God is. This is major pillar in the Adventist faith. The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality. (Ellen White UL 367 ) Christ is not God in personality. Christ is identified as The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father. The identity of Christ is a pillar of our faith and she makes it clear in that quote that Christ is: 1. Lord 2. The only begotten son of the father 3. Not God in personality Christ is one with the father, but Christ and God are two distinct personages(RH June 1, 1905) Regarding what Christ is in respect to his form and nature, he was fully God in respect to his attributes which he possessed as his inheritance by birth as the only begotten son of God. But we are not to call him God. He is not the Lord God almighty. We are to confess Christ as Lord and that he is the son of God Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

Thats his identity. Thats who Christ is in personality. He is The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father. Now this is about to get very interesting if you are a Seventh Day Adventist. Ms. White said clearly that Christ and God are two distinct personages, furthermore she really clarifies who the personality of God is and who the personality of Christ is. She tells us what the scriptures clearly indicate. The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. [Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted.] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268) That is very clear regarding the distinct personality and individuality of God and Christ. God is not Christ in respect to his personality. Every knee is not to confess that Christ is God in respect to his personality and individuality. Christ is not God himself. The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one. (Ellen White SDA Bible Commentary, vol.5 p.1129) A doctrine that destroys the personality of God and Christ The Trinity If you look at the book fundamental beliefs of Seventh Day Adventists it teaches us that God is or has three personalities. That God is a unity of three co-equal persons. This removes the pillar regarding the personality of God since it is telling us that God is not the father of Christ a single personality. But rather it teaches us that God is a father, son and holy spirit, three personalities. James White put it plainly:

Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ(James White, December 11, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 11, page 85, par. 16) Or in other words The book Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh Day Adventists does away with the personality of God and of his Son Jesus Christ. Or in other words The book Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh Day Adventists does away with the pillars of our faith concerning the personality of God and of Christ. JN Andrews whom the famous university called Andrews University was named after and where the Trinity is strongly proclaimed also saw that the trinity destroys the personality of God and Christ. The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. The infamous, measures by which it was forced upon the church which appear upon the pages of ecclesiastical history might well cause every believer in that doctrine to blush. (J. N. Andrews, March 6, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 24, page 185) These agree with Ms. White. Christ is our Lord the Only begotten son of God and not God in personality. God is his father, and our father. John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. God is not three personalities But one personality.Christ the only begotten son of God is a distinct personality and is not God in personality.

Removing the pillars, the foundation, the rock on which the true church is built A house normally has a foundation. That foundation can include pillars which support that house. The house in scripture is sometimes referred to as Gods church. 1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house; Jesus spoke to Peter and his disciples about building his church and about that foundation. There was something that specifically identified Gods true church. It had a specific foundation. In Desire of Ages Ellen White wrote about this foundation. Peter said something regarding the personality of Christ and Christs identity in Matthew 16. But before looking at that passage, here is what Ellen White said about Peters statement. Peter had expressed the truth which is the foundation of the churchs faith (DA 413). What is that foundation? What is the rock upon which the true church is built. What did Peter say? Matthew 16:15 He(Jesus) saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Peter expressed the truth which is the foundation of our faith. That Jesus is the Christ, the Son of The living God. This is rock on which the true church is built. This is the solid pillars and true foundation of the true Seventh Day Adventist church. Jesus did not answer and say Actually Peter, I am the Lord God almighty. Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Upon this rock is the true church built. The rock is the foundation. And Peter had expressed the truth which is the foundation of our faith. That Jesus is the Christ, the son of living God. This doctrine is the declaration of Gods love to us. 1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. If there is a doctrine that Satan would like to destroy. It is the doctrine regarding the personalities of God and Christ, because it would hide from us the truth of God giving his only begotten son. By removing these truths, he can remove the foundation of our faith. A Church Built on Sand A NEW Organization A false foundation Im sure most of us have heard the parable about the wise man building his house upon the rock. What did the foolish man build his house on? Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand; The true church is built on rock, so the false churches that will be swept away will be built on sand. To summarize what weve learned: 1. The Personalities of God and Christ are pillars of our faith 2. This refers to the identity of each. 3. God is the Father of Christ 4. Christ is the Lord or the Son of God 5. Christ is not God in personality 6. To remove these Pillars is to remove the Rock or Foundation of the church 7. The Trinity destroys the personality of God and of Christ 8. The church that teaches Christ is the Son of God is built on a rock 9. The church that teaches Christ is God himself is built on sand 10. God is one personality not three personalities So understanding all of this. Let us read and understand how the following has been fulfilled in every point.

The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-Day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure. Selected Messages Book 1-Page 204, 205 After reading that, I ask the questions which you should be able to answer if youve read all of the above carefully. The questions are: 1. Have the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith been given up? 2. Has there been a reorganization or reformation of this sort? 3. Have the principles which sustained the first 50 years of our faith been discarded? 4. Has the first 50 years of our faith been accounted as error? 5. Has their foundation been built on sand? 6. Have books of a new order been written? 7. Have they established a system of intellectual philosophy such as (1+1+1=1)? 8. Has the God who created the Sabbath been removed? 9. Have the people had to place dependence on human power? (such as trademarking the name Seventh Day Adventist) ? 10. Will storm and tempest sweep away this structure(the General Conference) that is built on sand? Every point in that quote has been fulfilled. Are you understanding the present truth yet? If not I suggest you study the old truths that were given to our founders. Flesh and blood will not reveal it to you, but our father in heaven will.

Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints.

Who is God? Our God in the Bible Add comments

Back in the day shortly after Christ, there were disputes regarding the identity and character of the Almighty God. Some of the Gentiles had many ideas regarding who God was. Paul, who wrote most of the books in the New Testament came to the Gentiles in Athens and noticed that they did not know what they were worshipping. The God they worshipped was a MYSTERY to them. Acts 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. The Heathen had many misconceptions that had arisen over the ages. These misconceptions of God have crept into Christianity today. Many views have been brought forth into the Christian religion which truly destroy who God is.

Who is God, why is it Important to KNOW? The Bible tells us that it is what we behold that affects our character. David said once I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes(Psalms 101:3). And Paul said regarding things which were true, honest Holy, lovely, just, pure and of good report, that we were to think on these things(Philippians 4:8). What happens when we behold false views, or unholy views, or untruth? We become changed into what we behold. 2 Corinthians 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord. If we behold false views of our God, our character will be affected by it. Many Christians today struggle with sin and they wonder Why is it that I am always overcome? They put an effort forth, but when temptation comes, they end up giving in to sin. The reason for this is because they dont know who they are worshipping. They dont see God as faithful to keep His promises. The next generation receives many of the character traits past down from the mother or father. Ever heard the saying Like Father, Like Son? Who is God? Through Knowledge of Him we retain his character Peter speaking by the Holy Spirit said that through knowledge of God he was given all things that pertain to godliness. 2Peter 1:3-4 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue. Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by

these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. If our God is a liar or didnt keep his promises we could not trust Him. If he only told us partial truth or if he were only pretending to be someone that he really was not, we could not really trust him, could we? But the Bible says God is true, that God is faithful(1 Corinthians 1:9, 10:13) and that we have knowledge of Him through His Son Jesus Christ. 1John 5:20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Who is God? God the Father is revealed through his Son Jesus Christ. Jesus told us his Father was The only true God. Jesus when praying said that knowing the only true God was the difference between life and death. John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. God the Father sent his Son Jesus Christ into the world. Paul when speaking to the Corinthians was there to reveal to them something that Moses knew was the truth. Moses said that The LORD our God is one Lord(Deuteronomy 6:9) and Paul knew Him well. 1Corinthians 8:4-7 we know that an idol [is] nothing in the world, and that [there is] none other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) But to us [there is but] one God, the Father, of whom [are] all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom [are] all things, and we by him. Howbeit there is not in every man that knowledge. Many have come to believe in different gods, many gods, some have an office or group of persons that they declare to be their God. An UNKNOWN God is the central doctrine and god of most Christian churches. The Catholic Church has a god that they claim they came to understand four centuries after Jesus Christ died.

The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic Faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the Church The Church studied this mystery with great care and, after four centuries of clarification, decided to state the doctrine in this way: in the unity of the Godhead there are three Persons,the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit[Handbook for todays Catholic Page 11] Paul never knew this god. According to the Catholic Church, this God was UNKNOWN to Christianity until four centuries of clarification after Jesus died. And even after four centuries, it is still declared to be a MYSTERY. Is our God a MYSTERY? Who is God? God Revealed Ephesians 1:17-18 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him. The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints. A revelation is the opposite of a mystery. God the Father, the God of Jesus Christ has given us knowledge of Himself, and as John said we know him who is true, even his Son Jesus Christ(1 John 5:20). Our God is not a mystery. Who is God? God is revealed through his Son Jesus Christ. So who was Jesus Christ? Philippians 2:5-11 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of [things] in heaven, and [things] in earth, and [things] under the earth; And [that] every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ [is] Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Christ is Lord, the Son of God the Father, the one by whom God the Father created all things. Christ is Creator by the power and exaltation of his Father who has given all power in heaven and earth(Matthew 28:18).

Jesus Christ was in the form of God, he was by nature God, but not by identity. He had the form of his Father, the nature of his Father, and the substance of his Father. The Bible teaches us that he was the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.(Colossians 1:15). An image is a copy of the original. God the Father is the only true God as we have learned. Jesus Christ is the copy of God. He was God in form, substance and nature by inheritance just as a Son is human when he by inheritance inherits by birth human nature from his father. But he was not God in respect to personality. To us there is but one God the Father(1 Corinthians 8:6). Some who come to understand Jesus is God, have fallen into a trap. They see God revealed in His Son Jesus Christ, they see that Jesus Christ spoke to many of the prophets in the Old Testament. But they do not recognize that Jesus when speaking on behalf of God is mediating on behalf of the Father. 1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. Jesus spoke to the prophets on behalf of God. God could not speak directly to them because of sin. The Bible tells us that No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. (John 1:18). God has come to us through his Son, God has spoken to us through his Son. God is the Father of his Son. God is not his Son. The personality of God and Jesus are plainly and distinctly revealed over and over again throughout scripture and as Jesus said This is life eternal that they might know thee, the only true God and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.(John 17:3). God is not 3 persons. He is a singular individual. Jesus told us that we are His brothers and sisters, and that our God is His Father. John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

There is a beautiful relationship that is observed here. One which we have with ourFather and with Jesus and one which Christ has and had with his Father. Regarding Father, we read that the relationship we have with him declares His love to us. 1 John 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. We are the Sons of a Father. He is the only true God, he is not an UNKNOWN mystery. Jesus spoke to a Samaritan woman once talking about who we worship as God. He told her God was His Father. She was worshipping a god she didnt know, a MYSTERY. John 4:22-24 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God [is] a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship [him] in spirit and in truth. Regarding our God, there are many things that are revealed about Him. But if we dont know who we worship, then how can we receive all things that pertain unto life and godliness? How might we have eternal life? How would we become changed?

Therefore if you worship you know not what, if your God is a mystery, let me declare Him unto you. He loves you so much that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.(John 3:16). Who is God? The Character of Father He does not want you to perish. Perish does not mean eternal life in torments. Perish means to not exist. Our Father is a loving Father who has been misrepresented. He does not use force to compel you to love Him. He offers each and every one of us the precious gift of His only begotten Son, the one in which His own life and Spirit dwelt. And he offers the life of His Son that by the means of His Son he might dwell in

you.

That Spirit is longsuffering, patient, gentle. It is pitiful, merciful, and not willing that any should perish. He would rather have taken the pain himself then inflict any with pain. He would have taken your death if it were possible so that you might have eternal life. Because of his goodness he must also put an end to evil at some point soon. He did everything in order to give you the power to overcome. He gave the express image of Himself who came in your form, and overcame in the same body which you have being tempted in all points like you, he gave his firstborn, the firstborn of every creature, His only begotten Son. The Father is the only immortal and he gave that life to His Son Jesus Christ. By beholding this love in extreme generosity, we can become changed into his image. 1 John 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Have you ever thought about how hard it is to give your child? This is far greater an offering than just giving His child. This is a Son who did always the will of the Father. A Son who came here to exalt the character of God and to give us a revelation of the Father. John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. If our Father could die, would He not have gave His life for us first before his Son? Yes, for sure the Father would have came before His Son. The Son was the only one in the universe who could suffice for the penalty of sin. The reason is because His Father is the only immortal, invisible, the only wise God,(1 Timothy 1:17) in the absolute sense. Jesus Christ was the only being in the universe who could take the penalty of the law. This was because the broken law required the life of God, Jesus Christ, a divine

being in the form of God and equal with God, could give His life back to Father and he could take on himself the form of mortal man, and if men chose to repent he could take the penalty of death upon himself to save men from the demand of the law. We behold that unto us was a Son given(Isaiah 9:6) and by beholding this amazing offering we may well declare this is our God. He is so revealed by His Son that when beholding what Christ did, we are beholding that which God would do. God would take on himself the form of a man that he might save his creation. He would rather take destruction himself than destroy one of his creatures. He is not waiting over us and picking at us every time we make a mistake, but he is pitiful towards us and declares, I will keep you from falling(Jude 24) and asks us to hold his hand and walk with Him. At the attached link, you will find a study of scriptures regarding the Father and the Son. 2 Peter 1:2 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord.

The Comforter which is the Holy Spirit Truth About God Add comments Sarita Johnson, Enid Pitre Mejias liked this post Our Comforter: Jesus promised to send us a most precious gift after his glorification. He said. Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. (John 16:7)(See also John 7:39).

The comforter which is the holy spirit(John 14:26) was not sent until Jesus was glorified. However in John 14 Jesus speaks of this comforter. Jesus said: Joh 14:16-17 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; Eventhe Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Jesus when speaking of the comforter said he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Here we find a seeming contradiction since the comforter could not be sent until Jesus Christ was glorified. We just read in John 16 that the comforters coming was dependent on Jesus going away. How is it that the comforter who was yet to be sent dwelleth with them in John 14? This passage explains itself. Jesus didnt leave off in verse 17. He continues in the next verse by saying: Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Christ was dwelling with them and he was going to come back as the comforter and dwell in them. Christ is the comforter himself. The greek word for comforter is parakletos. John uses this word 5 times in scripture. The 5th time it is used is 1 John 2:1. It is translated Advocate 1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: Christ is the parakletos. But Christ said another so doesnt that indicate he is speaking of someone else?: The same greek word for another is used of Saul in the Old Testament. Notice what it says: 1Sa 10:6 And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned intoanother man

Saul was about to be turned into another man. Saul had been through an experience. He had received the Holy Spirit which also was available to those in the Old Testament. That spirit was Jesus Christ living inside of Saul. 1Pe 1:10-11 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Saul was still Saul, but yet after his experience he was now another man. In the same sense the Holy Spirit was still the holy spirit, but yet it was now after Christs glorification called another comforter. Jesus had to first endure an experience in order that he was much more able to say I have been there, I have done that. Lets say that you had just been through an experience. Your family just died in a plane crash. Your wife and your beautiful children. And I came to you and said Well brother, I know exactly what you are going through even though I had never been through that experience. That wouldnt be very comforting would it? Heb 2:18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succor(help) them that are tempted. The bible says that now that Jesus has been through the experience he can now say to you and me Ive been through it, Ive been tempted in all points like you have and I will help you overcome, I will come to you, I will help you. There is only one being in this universe who can truly comfort us like that. Only one who is able to succor them that are tempted. It is a great comfort to me to know that Jesus himself will not leave me comfortless, but comes to me himself and dwells in me by his spirit whereby I can truly cry abba, father(Galations 4:6). Only a son can cry Abba, father. 1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Didnt Jesus call the comforter a he and speak of the spirit in the third person?: Yes, it was very common in those days to speak of yourself in that sense. Notice the following passage where Christ speaks of himself as the son and also calls himself he, him, himself. Joh 5:19-23 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveththe Son, and sheweth him all things that himself doeth: and he will shew him greater works than these, that ye may marvel. For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. So it was very common for Jesus to speak of himself in the third person. So who is the Holy Spirit? The bible says The comforter which is the holy spirit(John 14:26) is that spirit. And we just learned that it is Jesus who said that he wouldnt leave us comfortless, that he would come to us and comfort us. He says further in John 14: Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. The father is the source of that spirit. When we look at the sanctuary in heaven we see that the father is the source of living water and all things come through his son Jesus. Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

So that river of living water flows from the source. Joh 7:38-39 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) That living water that flows from the throne of God is the spirit. It flows through his son Jesus Christ and out through all of the children of God. As Jesus said it will even proceed out of you. But the source is none other than the father. 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. All things proceed from our One God the father and come by his son and our Lord Jesus Christ. And Paul says we have One Lord(Eph 4:5). 2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Christ is that spirit and he has come to deliver the captives and give them liberty and freedom from the bondage and captivity to sin. What is the spirit?: Many today have come to believe that the spirit is a body less phantom or ghost that flies around and takes possession of others. This concept of the spirit however is not correct and is actually very deceptive. Gods children are given free will to accept his spirit and the only service that they will give is a willing service of love and not of forced will. So what is the spirit? Let me ask you: If I said to you Hi, my name is David, Id like you to meet my spirit, he is standing over there, let me get him. Would you think that I had an incorrect understanding of my spirit? Yes, right. My spirit is not someone else

separate and distinct from me. My spirit is me, its my personality, my mind my character. Same with God. God has a spirit. The bible calls it the holy spirit of God(Eph 4:30). His spirit is described by the adjective Holy. His spirit is not someone distinct and separate from him, his spirit is him, it is his personality, his mind, his character. Notice the following verses: Rom 11:34 For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor? Isa 40:13 Who hath directed the Spirit of the LORD, or being his counsellor hath taught him? The words spirit and mind are often interchanged. Notice how the following verse from Ezekiel uses the same Hebrew word Ruwach but translates it in one instance mind and the next instance spirit. And the Spirit [Hebrew: j^Wr - ruwach #7307 in Strongs Concordance] of the LORD fell upon me, and said unto me, Speak; Thus saith the LORD; Thus have ye said, O house of Israel: for I know the things that come into your mind [ruwach],every one of them. (Ezekiel 11:5) The holy spirit is the mind of Christ. We are to receive the mind of Christ. Look at the following passage and notice how it is speaking of the spirit, then finally closes with receiving the mind of Christ. 1Co 2:11-16 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Which things also we speak, not in the words which mans wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. Who hath known the spirit of the Lord? Who hath known the mind of the Lord? The same words and question as asked in the previous verses from Romans 11:34 and

Isaiah 40:13 which we just read, however in this instance Paul clarifies that the Spirit of the Lord is the mind of Christ. Now let me ask you. Would you say that the mind of Christ is a separate and distinct being from Christ himself. I dont believe Christ will say to us when we meet him Id like you to meet my mind, hes standing over there. Notice in the above passage from 1 Corinthians 2 that it compares Gods spirit to mans spirit. Man has a spirit that is in him. In the same sense God has a spirit that is in him. Man is not divided into co-equal beings called the man and his spirit. The spirit has personality: Many people have come to the understanding that the spirit is someone other than Christ because it has characteristics and personality. For instance the spirit can be grieved. Dan 7:15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me. Daniel was grieved in his spirit in the midst of his body. Daniel was sorrowful. He had the spirit of Christ(1 Pet 1:11) which is also the spirit of God.(Romans 8:9). And he was grieved, but it was not someone else particularly, but it was he himself who was grieved in the midst of his body. Daniels spirit belongs to Daniel, just as Gods spirit belongs to God. The spirit can perceive things. Mar 2:8 And immediately when Jesus perceived in his spirit that they so reasoned within themselves, he said unto them, Why reason ye these things in your hearts? Notice, Jesus perceived things in his spirit. Again Jesus is not perceiving things in someone else who is separate and distinct from him. His spirit is his mind. The spirit can be troubled. Dan 2:3 And the king said unto them, I have dreamed a dream, and my spirit was troubled to know the dream.

Nebuchadnezzars spirit was troubled. This is not teaching us that someone else separate and distinct from Nebuchadnezzar was troubled. This is teaching us that he himself was troubled. If I said to you meet Nebuchadnezzar, he has a wonderful spirit you would not think that I was talking of someone separate and distinct from Nebuchadnezzar. The spirit is the part of someone including God and Christ themselves that can be troubled, it can perceive things, it can be grieved and it has personality. The bible teaches us that there is one spirit(Eph 4:4). As we have learned that spirit is the mind of Christ. It is also the spirit of God. Notice how the spirit of God and the spirit of Christ are interchanged in the following passage. Also note that this spirit is actually Christ in you. That one spirit is the Holy Spirit. Rom 8:9-10 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world(1 John 4:4). It isChrist who liveth in me(Gal 2:20) ..Christ in you, the hope of glory(Col 1:27) Jesus said in John 14 that it was the father that dwelleth in me(Christ)(John 14:10). He also said when speaking of his father I speak not of myself(John 14:10). Jesus is explaining that his father dwells in him by his spirit. He continues this chapter by saying that If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.(John 14:23). Christ states that in the same sense that his father dwells in him, he and his father will come and dwell in us. They will come spiritually. The spirit of God is the spirit of Christ. And so the father and son share a kindred spirit. In the same sense we are to share of that spirit and be partakers of the divine nature(2 Pet 1:4). The father anointed the son with his own spirit.(See Heb 1:9). Joh 3:34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. Now we understand that the father has a spirit. We also know that son has a spirit. Does the Holy spirit have a spirit? We know the father has a throne and also

that the son has a throne, does the holy spirit have a throne? The Bible mentions several different types of Spirit. We read about foul spirit, evil spirit, unclean spirit, dumb spirit, excellent spirit, humble spirit, wounded spirit, broken spirit, haughty spirit, faithful spirit, good spirit. All these spirits are distinguishable by the adjective that describes them. The father has a name. His name is Jehovah or Yahweh. The son has a name. His name is Yahshua or Jesus. What is the name of the Holy spirit? The father and son alone are to be exalted: Joh 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. In reading the bible we find many times where the father and son are exalted. Php 2:10-11 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Every knee will confess that Christ is Lord to the glory of God the father. The bible speaks to us about One God the father, and one Lord Jesus Christ. In fact almost all of the epistle salutations start with a greeting similar to this: Gal 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, Now why is it that only two beings are mentioned in this passage. One of which is called God and that is the father of Jesus Christ. There is no mention of any third divine being in any of the greetings whether it be Paul, Peter, James, John, or Jude. John stated: 1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. John knew only of the father and his son Jesus and he invites us to have fellowship with him and them. Surely he wouldnt leave out the Holy Spirit if it was a third divine being. Jesus when speaking of those who could testify of him said:

Joh 8:17-18 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. Where in this passage is the mention of the Holy Spirit if the spirit is a separate and distinct divine being aside from God and Christ. Regarding the cousel in heaven which took place before the foundations of the world it is written that there were two beings involved in this counsel of peace. Zec 6:12-13 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. Jesus Christ is the only being who entered the counsels of God. He was equal with God and in all points like his father. When Jesus spoke of the Jews who hated him, he spoke also of his father. Joh 15:23-24 He that hateth me hateth my Father also. If I had not done among them the works which none other man did, they had not had sin: but now have they both seen and hated both me and my Father. If the spirit is a divine being why would Jesus leave him out here? Wouldnt the Jews hate all three of them? Why does he only mention both me and my father. Paul called all heaven to witness a solemn charge to Timothy. 1Ti 5:21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality. God is mentioned, Christ and the elect angels even, but yet no mention of a third divine being. The bible talks about the father and his love for us in giving his only begotten son having his beloved son torn from his bosom because we sinned. It also tells us of the love of Jesus Christ in counting it not a thing to be equal with his father, but giving this up and leaving this behind and being made in the likeness of men, in all points made like unto his brothers. But what does the bible mention of the Holy Spirits love?

Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. Interestingly, the bible tells us that the Holy Spirit purchased us with his own blood. The bible teaches us that we have One Lord Jesus Christ(1 Cor 8:6) and The Lord is that spirit(2 Cor 3:17). Christ is that spirit and he shed his own blood to purchase us at the cross of calvary. The comforter is none other than Jesus Christ himself and Satan is doing everything he can to keep us from realizing our hope of glory which is Christ in you(Col 1:27). Rev 3:20-22 Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me. To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. Jesus wants to come into you and comfort you. Hear what the spirit is saying to this seventh church in Laodicea. He wants to grant you the opportunity to sit on a throne with him even as he sits on a throne with his father.

The Intercessor (Who is he?) Add comments (This is a reply to a discussion on who our intercessor is?)

Is the Holy Spirit the intercessor? Rom 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. Rom 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. This has to do with what we studied in Romans 8 last week[March 25th, 2009]. I didnt think that interrupting during the study would be appreciated however as Jude said: Jud 1:3-4 ..it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints. For there are certain men crept in unawares denying the only Lord God, and our Lord J esus Christ. This is not directed at anyone in particular it is directed to all of us. If my faith didnt stand up to the scripture I would certainly like to be exhorted. We had a discussion about the spirit that makes intercession on our behalf. And there is a spirit that makes intercession. Paul said: 2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: And did Paul have many Lords? Who is Pauls Lord? 1Co 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) According to the world and a lot of Christians there are many called god and many called lord. Who do we, if we are the saints call God and Lord?

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Paul says his Lord is Jesus Christ. He has one Lord, the Lord is that spirit. Christ is that spirit. Now using basic mathematics we can all understand that 1+1+1 does not equal 1. Paul does not say there is One God, the father, son and holy spirit. If all three father, son and holy spirit are God in there own right that is 3 Gods. There is no verse in scripture that refers to, nor uses the title God as the father son and holy spirit. Amazing that none of the saints did it. But today we do it? Where is our authority for that? This does not deny the fact that Christ was in the form of God. [John 1:1, Phi 2:6] Because Christ possessed the nature and attributes of God by birth as the firstborn of every creature, before any creature[created being or thing] was made. By him were all things created. However, he is not another God. He is not a smaller God. Nor is he the only true God as Christ himself said in prayer to his father You are the only true God[John 17:3] and there is no other God but he. Christ came in Gods name, Christ is God by nature. But he is not the eternal God himself. There might be many who are called god and many called lord to Orthodox Christianity, however, to the saints like Paul, Peter, John and Jesus there is One God the father. And there is One Lord Jesus Christ. And this is the faith that we are to earnestly contend for. This is the faith Jude is talking about in verse 4 of his book. So if the Lord is that spirit, that would make Christ the one who makes intercession for us. Who is that spirit that maketh intercession? The bible answers over and over again. The Lord is that spirit. 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Some have come to think that there is more than one mediator or intercessor between man and God. However the word of God has no contradictions. Lets look at the context of Romans 8 now and see who this spirit is that makes intercession for us. Rom 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh INTERCESSION for us.

So the Lord Christ is that spirit who makes intercession in Romans 8. There is not another individual up there making intercession. Lets look further at Romans 8 and the Lord being that spirit[2 Cor 3:17]. Someone will dwell in us. Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not theSpirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. Again Christ in you. This is your hope of glory. Christ in you, the hope of glory[Col 1:27]. Greater is he that is in you than he that is in the world[1 John 4:4]. Christ is the spirit that makes intercession[Rom 8:29] Isa 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the sin of many, and madeINTERCESSION for the transgressors. God cannot die.[1 Tim 1:17] Christ poured his soul out unto death. No contradiction in this doctrine. However if youre a Trinitarian you have an issue there as well. Point here though is who makes intercession on our behalf? Heb 7:22 By so much was Jesus made a surety of a better testament. Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to makeINTERCESSION for them. Praise God for our intercessor who was in all points made like us, so he is able to succor[help] us in our temptation as he has been tempted in all points like us. The Christian world wonders why it struggles. The reason? They try to do it without Christ. Without him we can do nothing.[John 15:5]. But the devil tries to trick us into believing that we have someone different who maketh intercession and helps us with our infirmities. But it is Christ the helper our comforter. This bring us to the comforter. Translated in some of your bibles as the helper. Lets look at who this is.

Jesus said, If ye love me, keep my commandments. And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; (John 14:15, 16) The purpose of the gift of the Comforter is that He may abide with the disciples forever. This was excellent news to the disciples, for they were sad to hear of Christs soon departure. Jesus continued His discourse, stating that He would send the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (John 14:17) Jesus said that the world could not receive the Spirit of truth, because it did not see him nor know him. You have to know him. The world doesnt know him, but you know him. Who is he???? Lets look. Immediately following this explanation Jesus said something startling. He told His disciples, but ye know him. How could the disciples know the promised Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit, (v. 26)1 if Jesus had not yet prayed for the gift, and it evidently had not yet been given? John stated, the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified. (John 7:39) Jesus explained, ye know him; [because] he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. (John 14:17) Who was dwelling with the disciples? Jesus Christ, of course! Jesus explained that soon this Person who was dwelling with them would be in them. It certainly would be better for the Comforter to dwell in the disciples rather than dwelling outside of them. That is exactly what Jesus said a short time later. In the same discourse, Jesus said, I tell you the truth; It is expedient [profitable] for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. (John 16:7) Jesus said that His disciples would be better off if He left them, went to His Father, and sent the Comforter to dwell in them. He also pointed out that the coming of the Comforter depended upon His departure, and glorification. As long as Christ was living on the earth as a man, it was not possible for this promised Comforter to come to live in the disciples. As we continue reading in John 14 we find that Jesus did not end His conversation in verse 17. In the next verse He said, I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. (John 14:18) This sheds a great deal of light on the subject. It explains why the Comforter could not come until after Christ went away and was glorified, for Christ said that He, Himself, would come back to His disciples to comfort them. Lets continue reading Christs discourse to see if He reinforced this point. He said, Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall

live also. At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, andI in you. (John 14:19, 20) A few moments earlier Jesus had said to His disciples that the Comforter shall be in you. Now, Jesus says that when the Comforter comes, Ye shall know that I am in you. Jesus assured His disciples that He would not send someone else to comfort them, but that He would come Himself to be their Comforter. Isnt that beautiful! The disciples had become close friends of Christ; so close that John felt comfortable leaning on His bosom. It was a comfort to them when Christ was near. Now Jesus tells them some wonderful news. He tells them that after He goes to His Father, He would come back to them as the Comforter, and they would know that it was He who was dwelling in themthey would recognize that the same Person who was dwelling with them was now in them, by His Spirit. Next, Jesus said something that caused one of His disciples to inquire of Him how this could take place. Jesus said, He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world? Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Fatherwill love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. (John 14:21-23) To remove any possibility of being misunderstood, Jesus made it abundantly clear that after He left the world, He would come back to make His abode in the hearts of His disciples. Not only would He return, but His Father would come with Him, so that both of them would live in the hearts of His children, not physically, but by Gods Spirit. In this way, the disciples could have intimate communion and fellowship with both the Father and His Son. John emphasized this when he wrote, That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. (1 John 1:3) John expressed this lovely truth of both God, the Father, and His Son, Jesus Christ, living in us in several other verses. He wrote, Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. (2 John 1:9) In 1 John 2:22, 23 he wrote, Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. It is truly a blessing to have personal fellowship with both the Father and His Son, and I am very thankful that God has made this available to us.

Anyways, I could go for a while here as the evidence is overwhelming that we have fellowship with 2 beings the father and his son, and we have his holy spirit. A spirit that is defined by an adjective. The opposite of unholy. And by these misunderstandings of what the spirit is we have 1000s of contradictions. No wonder its such a mystery and every single Trinitarian I know understands this doctrine differently. John knew who his God was and who his Lord was. I only tapped on the verses that were used to prove the trinity last week in our study. There is a further and deeper study on this topic to help clear up our misconceptions about God and his son and his spirit on my website. http://www.thethirdangelsmessage.com/the-comforter-which-is-the-holyspirit There are also pages for the most common verses used as Trinitarian objections to the truth about God and his son in the section The truth about God. I would highly recommend studying it as the first commandment says Thou shall have no other Gods before thee. This is an important topic. This is life eternal Jesus said. Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. And I pray that we all get to know [the father] better and also come to unity of the faith and knowledge of the son of God[eph 4:13] as well. Some may say David is alone and everybody believes in the Trinity. Well, it is no different then in Elijahs day when he was alone and there were 450 prophets of BAAL and all of Israel tore down the altars to the true God. There is nothing new under the sun, the thing that has been, is the thing that is today in the modern church. El I Yah. That is the message. It means God is Yahweh. 2Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

The Person of the Spirit Add comments Sister White wrote on several occasions that the Holy Spirit is a person. Today, many take these statements as evidence that she thought that the Holy Spirit is another being like the Father and the Son, the third member of a Triune God. Here are two of these statements: The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. (Ev 616) Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead (DA 671) On the other hand, there are many other statements which demonstrate beyond doubt that there are only two divine Beings, Father and Son. Here are a couple of them: Christ the Word, the Only Begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,one in nature, in character, and in purpose,the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. (GC 493) And in order that the human family might have no excuse because of Satans temptations, Christ became one with them. The only Being who was one with God lived the law in humanity.(ST, October 14 1897) Obviously, when we read that Jesus was the only Being in all the Universe who was one with God and the only Being that could enter into Gods plans and purposes, we understand that no other being is a part of these plans and no other being is one with God. Ellen White, in these statements, speaks only about two divine Beings. The following statements support this conclusion:

The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted (YI, 7 July 1898) Here we are told that there are only two divine Beings entitled to our worship, what would be wrong if the Holy Spirit was a being like the Father or the Son? Read also the following: No man, nor even the highest angel, can estimate the great cost; it is known only to the Father and the Son (The Bible Echo, October 28. 1895) If the Spirit is a divine being, separate from the Father and the Son, how is it that he cannot know the price paid for our salvation? Further Sister White wrote that only two Beings participated in the great work of creation: God, in counsel with His Son, formed the plan of creating man in their own image (RH, 24 February, 1874) The Father and the Son engaged in the mighty, wondrous work they had contemplatedof creating the world After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now God said to His Son, Let us make man in our image. (SR, 20.21). Jesus had united with the Father in making the world. (2T 209) In the beginning the Father and the Son had rested upon the Sabbath after Their work of creation. (DA 769). The following quote is also interesting: By the power of His love, through obedience, fallen man, a worm of the dust, is to be transformed, fitted to be a member of the heavenly family, a companion through eternal ages of God and Christ and the holy angels. (Ms 21, Feb.16, 1900)

If the Spirit is a being or individual, separate from the Father and Son, how can it be that he is not a companion with man? She also wrote that the third-ranking person in the universe, following after God and Christ was Lucifer: Lucifer in heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to Gods dear Son (SR 13). He (Satan) was next to Christ in exaltation and character (RH, 22 October 1895) Sin originated with him who, next to Christ, had been most honored of God and was highest in power and glory among the inhabitants of heaven. (PP 35) So, we have two groups of statements which at first glance seem to contradict each other. Ellen White speaks about two divine Beings and three divine persons. How can we resolve this apparent contradiction? The main problem in all these discussions, in my opinion, is the disagreement about what constitutes a being as well as the refusal of many to accept the possibility that Ellen White used the word person in a different manner than it is being used and thought of today. This controversy is not new. At the beginning of the twentieth century the well known Adventist physician John Harvey Kellogg had the same problem. In a letter from 1903, addressed to G.I. Butler, former president of the General Conference, he wrote: As far as I can fathom, the difficulty which is found in The Living Temple, the whole thing may be simmered down to the question: Is the Holy Ghost a person? You say no. I had supposed the Bible said this for the reason that the personal pronoun he is used in speaking of the Holy Ghost. Sister White uses the pronoun he and has said in so many words

that the Holy Ghost is the third person of the Godhead. How the Holy Ghost can be the third person and not be a person at all is difficult for me to see. (Letter from JH Kellogg to GI Butler, 28 October 1903). In this letter we see that the same issue that we have today about the meaning of the term person was at stake in the understanding of the pioneers. Dr. Kellogg had concluded that the Holy Spirit was a person separate from the Father and the Son. This was in contradiction with the faith of the church of that period, that the Holy Spirit was the personal presence of the Father and the Son. Note that Kellogg maintained his position through the writings of Sister White in the same manner that people in the church today use her writings to support the Trinity doctrine. However, if sister White were alive today, would she agree with this practice? For us to determine the possibility that many in the denomination are using the writings of Ellen White in a similarly condemned manner as did Kellogg, let us first read Butlers response and then compare it with some statements of sister White on this issue: So far as Sister White and you being in perfect agreement, I shall have to leave that entirely between you and Sister White. Sister White says there is not perfect agreement; you claim there is. I know some of her remarks seem to give you strong ground for claiming that she does. I am candid enough to say that, but I must give her the credit until she disowns it of saying there is a difference too, and I do not believe you can fully tell just what she means. (Letter: G I Butler to J H Kellogg. April 5. 1904) There are some who, upon accepting erroneous theories, strive to establish them by collecting from my writings statements of truth, which they use separated from their proper connection, and perverted by association with error. (Letter 136, April 27, 1906, to Brethren Butler, Daniels, and Irwin.) In the controversy that arose among our brethren regarding the teachings of this book (The Living Temple), those in favor of giving it a wide circulation declared: It contains the very sentiments that Sister White has been teaching. This assertion struck right to my heart. I felt heartbroken; for I knew that this representation of the matter was not true. (1SM 203) I am compelled to speak in denial of the claim that the teachings of Living Temple can be sustained by statements from my writings. There may be in this book expressions and sentiments that are in harmony with my writings. And there may be in

my writings many statements which, taken from their connection, and interpreted according to the mind of the writer of Living Temple, would seem to be in harmony with the teachings of this book. This may give apparent support to the assertion that the sentiments in Living Temple are in harmony with my writings. But God forbid that this sentiment should prevail.(Mar. Sp. Series B, no. 2, p. 53.54) The other pioneers did not have any such problem. Read the following statement that may shed light on our study and reveal the fact that our pioneers understood the word person to have different meanings: There is one question which has been much controverted in the theological world upon which we have never presumed to enter. It is that of the personality of the Spirit of God. Prevailing ideas of person are very diverse, often crude, and the word is differently understood; so that unity of opinion on this point cannot be expected until all shall be able to define precisely what they mean by the word, or until all shall agree upon one particular sense in which the word shall be used. But as this agreement does not exist, it seems that a discussion of the subject cannot be profitable, especially as it is not a question of direct revelation. We have a right to be positive in our faith and our statements only when the words of Scripture are so direct as to bring the subject within the range of positive proof. We are not only willing but anxious to leave it just where the word of God leaves it. From it we learn that the Spirit of God is that awful and mysterious power which proceeds from the throne of the universe, and which is the efficient actor in the work of creation and of redemption. (JH Waggoner, The Spirit of God, Its attributes and manifestations, p. 8, 9, 1877) From this statement we see that the main problem during the time of the pioneers was not the personality of the Spirit, but the word person. They understood that two people can use that word with two different understandings in their minds. In fact, sister White was not the only one who wrote that the Spirit was a person. There were other pioneers who also wrote it but did not believe that the Spirit was an individual being like the Father and the Son. Here are two examples: Q. Do you think the Spirit of God is a person, or is it simply the power by which God works, and which he has given to man for his use?

A. The pronouns used in connection with the Spirit must lead us to conclude that he is a person, the personality of God which is the source of all power and life. {S. M. Henry, The Abiding Spirit, 1899.} The Spirit of God is a reality. It is as really a living reality as God himself, and is the great moving agent of God in the establishment and continuation of Christianity in the world (J. Clarke, RH March 10, 1874) (Although Clarke does not use the word person, however he says that the Spirit is a living reality as God Himself, and a great agent) I invite you to study this topic together with me. Let us first understand what constitutes a human being. To get a proper handle on this, it is necessary to study the creation of man. The Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy tell us that man was created in the image and likeness of God: And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Gen.1: 26. There are many issues in our world today in regard to the Creator not being a personal God. God is a being, and man was made in His image. (7MR 373) God is a spirit; yet He is a personal being, for man was made in His image. (Ed. 131) How was man made? 1. The LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground. 2. and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul Gen. 2, 7 So, God first formed man into a physically-molded entity (body). Then he blew the breath of life into the form. This breath is what the Bible elsewhere called the spirit (see Zech. 12: 1 and Ecl. 12: 7). When did man become a living being? The form of man did not become a living being until God breathed the breath of life into him. So, the physical form and the spirit together make up a being, an individual. In other words, a being has two parts, aspects, or dimensions: a physical and a spiritual. For those who doubt that man has a spirit, read the following verses:

The burden of the word of the LORD for Israel, saith the LORD, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him.Zech. 12: 1 But there is a spirit in man Job 32: 8 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? 1 Cor. 2: 11 Now, what should concern us in regard to the scope of the subject of the discussion of the meaning of the term person is whether God, like man, has two aspects, a physical form and a spirit. We have seen that man was created in the image and likeness of God, but to what should we attribute this resemblance? Was it only a similarity in character or was it also a physical resemblance? Lets see what inspiration says: 1. Does God have a physical form? In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the LORD sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple. Isaiah 6: 1 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. Daniel 7: 9 And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. Revelation 5: 1 Man was to bear Gods image, both in outward resemblance and in character. Christ alone is the express image (Hebrews 1:3) of the Father; but man was formed in the likeness of God. (PP 45) In the beginning, man was created in the likeness of God, not only in character, but in form and feature. (GC 644) When Adam came from the Creators hand, he bore, in his physical, mental, and spiritual nature, a likeness to his Maker. (Ed. 14)

Created to be the image and glory of God (1 Corinthians 11:7), Adam and Eve had received endowments not unworthy of their high destiny. Graceful and symmetrical in form, regular and beautiful in feature, their countenances glowing with the tint of health and the light of joy and hope, they bore in outward resemblance the likeness of their Maker. (Ed. 20) I asked Jesus if His Father had a form like Himself. He said He had, but I could not behold it, for said He, If you should once behold the glory of His person, you would cease to exist. (EW 55) 2. Does God have a Spirit? And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Gen. 1: 2 Whither shall I go from thy spirit? or whither shall I flee from thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there. Ps. 139: 7.8 Cast me not away from thy presence; and take not thy holy spirit from me. Ps. 51: 11 The spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life. Job 33:4 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.John 15: 26 Without the Holy Spirit, without the breath of God, there is torpidity of conscience, loss of spiritual life. (4 BC 1166) The Holy Spirit is a free, working, independent agency. The God of heaven uses his Spirit as it pleases him (RH May 5, 1896) The greatness of God is to us incomprehensible. The Lords throne is in heaven (Psalm 11:4); yet by His Spirit He is everywhere present. He has an intimate knowledge of, and a personal interest in, all the works of His hand Whither shall I go from Thy Spirit? Or whither shall I flee from Thy presence? If I ascend up into heaven, Thou art there: If I make my bed in the grave behold, Thou art there. (Ed 131)

The Bible shows us God in His high and holy place, not in a state of inactivity, not in silence and solitude, but surrounded by ten thousand times ten thousand and thousands of thousands of holy beings, all waiting to do His will. Through these messengers He is in active communication with every part of His dominion. By His Spirit He is everywhere present. Through the agency of His Spirit and His angels He ministers to the children of men.(MH 417) So, the creation story is a lesson about the being of God. God formed a physical form and thereby showed us that He Himself is not an intangible essence, but a personal being, possessing a physical form. After this, He breathed the spirit of life in man, and in so doing, has shown that He also has a Spirit. The Bible and the Spirit of Prophecy together teach that God, like man, has both a physical and spiritual aspect. It should be carefully attended to that we are now entering into the discussion about the nature of these two aspects! We do not know the nature of the body or the spirit of God. Here silence is golden. All that we can say is that God is both the body (physical aspect) and the Spirit (spiritual aspect). From this we can conclude that the spirit is not another being, or another individual, but rather the non-physical and spiritual aspect of both man and God. Now let us focus on another thing, the word person. Please read the following statement: I saw a throne, and on it sat the Father and the Son. I gazed on Jesus countenance and admired His lovely person. The Fathers person I could not behold, for a cloud of glorious light covered Him. I asked Jesus if His Father had a form like Himself. He said He had, but I could not behold it, for said He, If you should once behold the glory of His person, you would cease to exist.(EW 54) Sister White admired the lovely person of Jesus. In that statement, what did she actually admire? She was admiring the countenance, the face, and the body of Jesus. Further she said that she could not behold the Fathers person. Finally, she asked Him if the Father has a form like Himself. Read Jesus response: He said He had, but I could not behold it, for said He, If you should once behold the glory of His person, you would cease to exist.

In this statement sister White called the form, the physical aspect of God, His person. This physical countenance of God which sits on the throne in heaven is Gods person. But we saw earlier that God has not only a physical form but a spiritual one as well. He possesses a Spirit through which He can be present in all places at one particular time. What is this Spirit? Is it something impersonal, a mere power or energy that comes from the person or being of God which fills the whole universe? Is it something that can be manipulated by man? The Bible is very clear that Gods Spirit has personal characteristics. He moves, talks, may be upset, insulted etc In other words, Gods spirit is a living, personal entity and not some alien, impersonal power or energy. This means that the Spirit of God is as much a person as the physical form of God is a person. But pay close attention to the distinguishing fact that this is not a separate being from God, ostensibly a third member of a trinity. He is the person of God through which He is present everywhere and by which He fulfills his plans. Please consider the following statements: It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing; the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Christ is not here referring to his doctrine, but to his person, the divinity of his character. (RH April 5, 1906) Here sister White says that when Jesus speaks of the Spirit who gives life (which is the Holy Spirit), He refers to his person, the divinity of his character (see 1 Cor. 15, 45, 2 Cor. 3, 6. 17). Here we have a clear example where Mrs. White used the word person with a different sense than that of a being. The following statement also confirms the truth that the Spirit is the person or the character of an individual: Our personal identity is preserved in the resurrection, though not the same particles of matter or material substance as went into the grave. The wondrous works of God are a mystery to man. The spirit, the character of man, is returned to God, there to be preserved. In the resurrection every man will have his own character. God in His own time will call forth the dead, giving again the breath of life, and bidding the dry bones live.(6BC 1093) (please read the letter of Willie White at the end of this article) Now, after all that we have seen so far, we can define the word person as: 1. A physical being, an individual

2. The phsysical or non-physical aspect of a being. His nature, character or personality. (See: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/person) webster.com / dictionary / person) Because many Adventists have misunderstood both the second definition (#2 above) as well as what constitutes a being, they have similarly been compelled to misunderstand statements from Sister White in cases where she has referred to the Holy Spirit as a person. Let us look further at some statements from the Spirit of Prophecy on this topic: The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. (Ev. 617) For many, this statement is one of the strongest evidences that the Holy Spirit is a being just as the Father and the Son are personal Beings, but a careful analysis will prove to us that this statement actually rejects such an idea. Ellen White says that the Holy Spirit is a person and that He has a personality. Why? What is the evidence that the Holy Spirit is a person and that He has a personality? Because He bears witness. In other words, if the Spirit is not a person and has no personality, he could not bear witness. An impersonal power or energy cannot bear witness. Only something that is personal and that has a personality can bring an effective witness. She says this very clear: The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness. Now read the quotation carefully and notice that the Holy Spirit is not alone when He bears witness but our own spirit is bearing witness together with him for He beareth witness with our spirits. What then is our spirit? Following the context of the statement mentioned above, only a person can bear witness. If the Holy Spirit is a person and has a personality because he bears witness, then our spirit is also a person and has a personality

because it bears witness together with the Holy Spirit! But is my spirit some other being than I? Certainly not! It is a part of me, my inner nature, my person, and my character. The same is true in the understanding of the Holy Spirit. It is not another being, but God Himself. Sister White says this very clearly: In giving us His Spirit, God gives us Himself, making Himself a fountain of divine influences, to give health and life to the world. (7T 273) The last part of the statement says that the Spirit must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. The key for this quotation is the verse from 1 Cor. 2:11 which sister White quoted: For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? Even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Acording to the words of Paul, the man and his spirit are comparable to God and His Spirit. What is true about the human spirit for the man is the same as Gods Spirit is to Himself. As the human spirit is not a different individual than the man himself, the same the Spirit of God is not another person than Himself. Otherwise, the verse would make sense. The following statement is from Education, page 131: The greatness of God is to us incomprehensible. The Lords throne is in heaven (Psalm 11:4); yet by His Spirit He is everywhere present. He has an intimate knowledge of, and a personal interest in, all the Article Courtesy of Dejan Andov http://www.swordofelijah.org

Seventh Day Adventist Pioneers on the Trinity Add comments What does the conference church say today? Adventist beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of present truth. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by the early Adventists. Adventist Review, Jan 6, 1994. p.10. Most of the founders of Seventh-day Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denominations Fundamental Beliefs. More specifically, most would not be able to agree to belief number 2, which deals with the doctrine of the trinity. Ministry, October 1993, p. 10. What did they previously believe? You are mistaken in supposing that S. D. Adventists teach that Christ was ever created. They believe, on the contrary, that he was begotten of the Father, and that he can properly be called God and worshiped as such. They believe, also, that the worlds, and everything which is, was created by Christ in conjunction with the Father. They believe, however, that somewhere in the eternal ages of the past there was a

point at which Christ came into existence. They think that it is necessary that God should have antedated Christ in his being, in order that Christ could have been begotten of him, and sustain to him the relation of son. They hold to the distinct personality of the Father and Son, rejecting as absurd that feature of Trinitarianism which insists that God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit are three persons, and yet but one person. S. D. Adventists hold that God and Christ are one in the sense that Christ prayed that his disciples might be one; i. e., one in spirit, purpose, and labor. See Fundamental Principles of S. D. Adventists, published at this Office.(RH April 17, 1883) What does the Spirit of Prophecy say? Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary orconcerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor. {E. G. White, Manuscript Release No.760, p. 9} 1905 1. Christ begotten in Eternity 2. Ellen White on the Trinity 3. James White on the Trinity 4. JH Waggoner on the Trinity 5. Joseph Bates on the Trinity 6. Merrit Cornell on the Trinity 7. AT Jones on the Trinity 8. JM Stephenson on the Trinity 9. Uriah Smith on the Trinity 10. JN Andrews on the Trinity 11. RF Cotrell on the Trinity 12. DW Hull on the Trinity 13. SN Haskell on the Trinity 14. JN Loughborough on the Trinity 15. EJ Waggoner on the Trinity 16. 1939 JS Washburn letter on the Trinity The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. [Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted.] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has beengiven an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268)

Many of our people do not realize how firmly the foundation of our faith has been laid. My husband, Elder Bates,Father pierce, Elder [Hiram] Edson, and others who were keen, noble, and true, were among those who, after the passing of the time in 1844, searched for the truth as for hidden treasure. I met with them, and we studied and prayed earnestly. light was given that helped us to understand the scriptures in regard to Christ, His mission, and His priesthood. A line of truth extending from that time to the time when we shall enter the city of God, was made plain to me, and I gave to others the instruction that the Lord had given me. . . What influence is it that would lead men at this stage of our history to work in an underhand, powerful way to tear down the foundation of our faiththe foundation that was laid at the beginning of our work by prayerful study of the Word and revelation? Upon this foundation we have been building for the past fifty years.(Selected Messages bk.1, p. 206-7 1904)

Christ the firstborn of heaven Begotten in Eternity Add comments

Our Seventh Day Adventist pioneers testify: The Scriptures declare that Christ is the only begotten son of God. He is begotten, not created (E. J. Waggoner, Christ and His Righteousness, p. 21). He was born of the Holy Ghost. In other words, Jesus Christ was born again. He came from heaven, Gods first-born, to the earth, and was born again. But all in Christs work goes by opposites for us: He, the sinless one, was made to be sin in order that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. He, the living One, the Prince and Author of life, died that we might live. He whose goings forth have been from the days of eternity, the first-born of God, was born again in order that we

might be born again (A. T. Jones,Christian Perfection, paragraph 53). (This is also found in Lessons on Faith, p. 154.) He who was born in the form of God took the form of man (A. T. Jones, The General Conference Bulletin, 1895, p. 449). Christ is the only literal Son of God. The only begotten of the Father. John 1:14. He is God because he is the Son of God; not by virtue of His resurrection. If Christ is the only begotten of the Father, then we cannot be begotten of the Father in a literal sense. It can only be in a secondary sense of the word (John Matteson, The Review & Herald, October 12, 1869). The Scriptures nowhere speak of Christ as a created being, but on the contrary plainly state that he was begotten of the Father. (Uriah Smith, Daniel and Revelation, p. 430) God alone is without beginning. At the earliest epoch when a beginning could be, a period so remote that to finite minds it is essentially eternity, appeared the Word. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1. This uncreated Word was the Being, who, in the fulness of time, was made flesh, and dwelt among us. His beginning was not like that of any other being in the universe. It is set forth in the mysterious expressions, his [Gods] only begotten Son (John 3:16; 1 John 4:9), the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14), and, I proceeded forth and came from God. John 8:42 (Uriah Smith, Looking Unto Jesus, p. 10). The rainbow in the clouds is but a symbol of the rainbow which has encircled the throne from eternity. Back in the ages, which finite mind cannot fathom, the Father and Son were alone in the universe. Christ was the first begotten of the Father, and to Him Jehovah made known the divine plan of Creation (Stephen Haskell, Story of the Seer of Patmos, pp. 93, 94). Christ was the firstborn in heaven; He was likewise the firstborn of God upon earth, and heir to the Fathers throne. Christ, the firstborn, though the Son of God, was clothed in humanity, and was made perfect through suffering (Stephen Haskell, Story of the Seer of Patmos p. 98). The S. D. Adventists hold the divinity of Christ so nearly with the Trinitarians that we apprehend no trial here (James White, TheReview & Herald, October 12, 1876).

But if I am asked what I think of Jesus Christ, my reply is, I believe all that the Scriptures say of him. If the testimony represents him as being in glory with the Father before the world was, I believe it. If it is said that he was in the beginning with God, that he was God, that all things were made by him and for him, and that without him was not

anything made that was made, I believe it. If the Scriptures say he is the Son of God, I believe it. If it is declared that the Father sent his Son into the world, I believe he had a Son to send. Children inherit the name of their father. The Son of God hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than the angels (R. F. Cottrell, The Review & Herald, June 1 1869, emphasis in the original). As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it in these words, But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity. Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning (E. J. WaggonerChrist and His Righteousness, pp. 21, 22). In arguing the perfect equality of the Father and the Son, and the fact that Christ is in very nature God, we do not design to be understood as teaching that the Father was not before the Son. It should not be necessary to guard this point, lest some should think that the Son existed as soon as the Father; yet some go to that extreme, which adds nothing to the dignity of Christ, but rather detracts from the honor due him, since many throw the whole thing away rather than accept a theory so obviously out of harmony with the language of Scripture, that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He was begotten, not created. He is of the substance of the Father, so that in his very nature he is God; and since this is so it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell. Col. 1:19 W hile both are of the same nature, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while Christs personality had a beginning (E. J. Waggoner, The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1889). The Father was greater than the Son in that he was first. The Son was equal with the Father in that he had received all things from the Father (James White, The Review & Herald, January 4, 1881). And as to the Son of God, he would be excluded also, for he had God for his Father, and did, some point at the eternity of the past, have beginning of days. So that if we use Pauls language in an absolute sense, it would be impossible to find but one being in theuniverse, and that is God the Father, who is without father, or mother, or descent,

or beginning of days, or end of life (J. N. Andrews,The Review & Herald, September 7, 1869). The angels, therefore, are created beings, necessarily of a lower order than their Creator. Christ is the only being begotten of the Father (James Edson White [Son of Ellen White], Past Present and Future, p. 52). The dedication of the first-born had its origin in the earliest times. God had promised to give the First-born of heaven to save the sinner. {The Desire of Ages, p. 51} Angels of God looked with amazement upon Christ, who took upon Himself the form of man and humbly united His divinity with humanity in order that He might minister to fallen man. It is a marvel among the heavenly angels. God has told us that He did do it, and we are to accept the Word of God just as it reads. And although we may try to reason in regard to our Creator, how long He has had existence, where evil first entered into our world, and all these things, we may reason about them until we fall down faint and exhausted with the research when there is yet an infinity beyond. {E. G. White, S.D.A. Bible Commentary Vol. 7, p. 919} 1888 The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by him as his right. This was no robbery of God. The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, he declares, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth; while as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth. {E. G. White, Review and Herald, April 5, 1906 par. 7} In reviewing our past history, having traveled over every step of advance to our present standing, I can say, Praise God! As I see what the Lord has wrought, I am filled with astonishment, and with confidence in Christ as leader. We have nothing to fear for the future, except as we shall forget the way the Lord has led us, and His teaching in our past history (Ellen White Life Sketches, p. 196). The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have

sustained the work forthe last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath, of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure (Ellen WhiteSpecial Testimonies, Series B, no. 2, p. 54).

Ellen White on the Trinity Doctrine Add comments Did Ellen White believe in the trinity? Not one of the Adventist pioneers believed in the

trinity. Her husband James White denounced the trinity on a consistent basis. Why did Ellen White never correct her husband if she was a trinitarian? All of the pioneers of the Seventh Day Adventist church were non-trinitarian and strangely enough she never reproved them of their beliefs and none of them reproved her or said she was teaching error. This is strange indeed. I want to do an examination of what Ellen White believed regarding the father, the son, and the Holy Spirit. Her writings will be our witness. Like our Saviour, we are in this world to do service for God. We are here to become like God in character, and by a life of service to reveal Him to the world. In order to be co-workers with God, in order to become like Him and to reveal His character, we must know Him aright. We must know Him as He reveals Himself. A knowledge of God is the foundation of all true education and of all true service. It is the only real safeguard against temptation. It is this alone that can make us like God in character. This is the knowledge needed by all who are working for the uplifting of their fellow men. Transformation of character, purity of life, efficiency in service, adherence to correct principles, all depend upon a right knowledge of God. This knowledge is the essential preparation both for this life and for the life to come. The knowledge of the Holy is understanding. Proverbs 9:10. Through a knowledge of Him are given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness. 2 Peter 1:3.

This is life eternal, said Jesus, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent. John 17:3. [Ministry of Healing Page 409410] This article is meant for SDAs who believe the writings of Ms. White to be inspired of God. The basis and standard of our faith is to be the word of God[Rom 10:17]. I would recommend you study the word of God, and then test the prophets to see whether they speak according to that word [Isaiah 8:20]. A lot of scripture is quoted in this study. Despise not prophesying, prove all things, hold fast to that which is good[1 Thess 5:19-21] There are a few statements in Ms. Whites writings that seem to suggest she was Trinitarian. She spoke regarding the subject of God and his personality saying: There are some, who upon accepting erroneous theories, strive to establish them by collecting from my writings statements of truth, which they use, separated from their proper connection and perverted by association with error. .Letter 136, April 27, 1906, to Brethren Butler, Daniels, and Irwin. (Ellen White, 1906, This Day with God, page 126) This statement was in regards to the book The Living Temple written by John Harvey Kellogg which contained Pantheistic teachings. Meaning that God was in everything and was everything; an impersonal being. She called this The alpha of deadly heresies and the omega is soon to follow. The alpha and omega of deadly heresies could only have to do with God. Why is the personality of God the alpha and omega of deadly heresies? Because this is the first and great commandment that the Lord our God is one Lord.[Mark 12:29] This is eternal life that we might know the only true God and Jesus Christ whom he sent[John 17:3-5] And that Jesus Christ is the son of God and this is the rock[statement] upon which the true church is built[Matt 16:13-16]. The foundation of our faith. The foundation of the church. The first and great commandment, eternal life to know him and his son. This is a subject in which we need to study to show yourself approved unto God1 Tim 3:16, and not just follow the doctrines of men and make flesh our arm. This doctrine is an important doctrine. It is the foundation of our faith.

Ms. White said. In the future, deception of every kind is to arise, and we want solid ground for our feet. We want solid pillars for the building.Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has established. The enemy will bring in false theories, such as the doctrine that there is no sanctuary. This is one of the points on which there will be a departing from the faith. Where shall we find safety unless it be in the truths that the Lord has been giving for the last fifty years? (Ellen White, Review & Herald,May 25, 1905) Please notice this was written in 1905. She said that the last 50 years [1855-1905] would be accounted as error. She also said that books of a new order would be written and that the pioneers books would be lightly regarded. Let Pioneers Identify Truth.when the power of God testifies as to what is truth that truth is to stand forever as the truth. No after-suppositions, contrary to the light God has given are to be entertained. Men will arise with interpretations of Scripture which are to them truth, but which are not truth. The truth for this time, God has given us as a foundation for our faith. He Himself has taught us what is truth. One will arise, and still another, with new light which contradicts the light that God has given under the demonstration of His Holy Spirit. A few are still alive who passed through the experience gained in the establishment of this truth. God has graciously spared their lives to repeat and repeat till the close of their lives, the experience through which they passed even as did John the apostle till the very close of his life. And the standard-bearers, who have fallen in death, are to speak through the reprinting of their writings. I am instructed that thus their voices are to be heard. They are to bear their testimony as to what constitutes the truth for this time. Preach the Word,p. 5. (Ellen White, 1905, Counsels to Writers and Editors, pages 31, 32) Many will say that Ellen White accepted the trinity doctrine late in her life. That she snuck the doctrine into the church privily. That is not how Ellen White rebuked error for anybody that has read her writings. Did she rebuke her husband and the rest of the pioneers by bringing the trinity teaching into the church privily? Think about it long and hard. You will receive your answer. Common sense will tell you. Anyone who has read her writings should know this is not the way of Ms. White. Let us see what Ellen White says about doctrines that are brought into the church privily.

Modern spiritualism, resting upon the same foundation, is but a revival in a new form of the witchcraft and demon worship that God condemned and prohibited of old. Peter, describing the dangers to which the church was to be exposed in the last days, says that as there were false prophets who led Israel into sin, so there will be false teachers, who privily shallbring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them. And many shall follow their pernicious ways. 2 Peter 2:1, 2. Here the apostle has pointed out one of the marked characteristics of spiritualist teachers. They refuse to acknowledge Christ as the Son of God. Concerning such teachers the beloved John declares: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. 1 John 2:22, 23. Spiritualism, by denying Christ, denies both the Father and the Son, and the Bible pronounces it the manifestation of antichrist. (Ellen White, Patriarchs and Prophets, page 686) Let us acknowledge this quote carefully. Because we are about to find out that this is talking about none other than false doctrines such as the trinity. Also because all of our pioneers were non-Trinitarian, we can note that the trinity doctrine had to be learned from Babylon. In fact you will hear today that our pioneers who understood scriptures 10 times better than those in Babylon did not understand the doctrine that is supposed to be the foundation of our faith. The trinity is none other than the foundation of the Catholic faith. This again is strange indeed. To go into Babylon to learn our doctrines is usually considered a falling away or in other words apostasy wouldnt it?. The rock upon which the house is to be built; Ellen White will explain to us who the son is what the comforter is, or who it is shortly. But first let us note something about her writings. She said: Those who desire to doubt will have plenty of room. God does not propose to remove all occasion for unbelief. He gives evidence, which must be carefully investigated with a humble mind and a teachable spirit, and all should decide from the weight of evidence. (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 3, page 255) Please be educated on this subject. Have a humble mind, a teachable spirit. To examine one side of the subject is indoctrination. To follow man rather than God is nothing less than worshipping the creature more than the creator and you will receive a mark from that creature shortly and that will mark you as his if you do not fully trust Gods word. Let all her writings come to the forefront and dont make your mind up on some seemingly contradictory statements. All can be understood in perfect harmony. I will examine a couple of her statements that seem to testify to a trinity but when understood in context are in perfectly harmony with the rest of her writings. You decide

after you see the weight of the evidence. We will see how spiritualism has entered the church and how the denying of the father and son is antichrist, and what Ellen White really taught. I will do this in a somewhat question and answer format. Letting her writings interpret themselves. Let us begin. Q] Are there three people that are to be exalted? Let the brightest example the world has yet seen be your example, rather than the greatest and most learned men of the age, who know not God, nor Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted. (Ellen White, The Youths Instructor, July 7, 1898) Note: That there are only 2 beings, not 3, that are to be exalted. She uses a key word Alone in quoting here from [John 17:3-5] But let us not base our doctrine on just one witness. There is plenty more. Q} Some say there were three persons in the work of creation because the Hebrew word elohim the word for God is a plural word. Were there 3 people in the work of creation? After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, And now God said to His Son, Let us make man in our image. (Ellen White, The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 1, pages 24, 25) Note: The words spoken by Elohim were spoken by the father to his son. The father and son carried out their purpose. And if the Holy spirit is a third being where was he in this matter? This is quite different than what is taught in the church today who teach that that verse in Genesis 1 refers to 3 beings the father, son, and holy spirit. You can find other verses in scripture which show that Elohim was used in the singular sense and even refers to men or false gods such as [Exo 7:1 or 1 Kings 11:5] Q} Were there three people to lay the plan of salvation? The plan of redemption was arranged in the councils between the Father and the Son. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, May 28, 1908 par. 12) Even the angels were not permitted to share the counsels between the Father and the Son when the plan of salvation was laid. (Ellen White, Ministry of Healing, page 429) The plan of salvation devised by the Father and the Son will be a grand success. (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, June 17, 1903 par. 2)

Before the fall of man, the Son of God had united with his Father in laying the plan of salvation. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, September 13, 1906 par. 4) The great plan of redemption was laid before the foundation of the world. And Christ, our Substitute and Surety, did not stand alone in the wondrous undertaking of the ransom of man. In the plan to save a lost world, the counsel was betweenthem both; the covenant of peace was between the Father and the Son. (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, December 23, 1897, par. 2) Note: Both means 2, not 3. Some believe both means 3. If Ellen White believed a third being was part of the Godhead, why did she leave this being out in all her writings? Why were the angels mentioned but not the third being of one God. This would lead us to conclude that she did not understand the very pillar of our faith (The foundation of it) or the Holy Spirit is not a spirit being and this is the spiritualistic teaching she was talking about when she said that they would bring in a deadly heresy. She did say that after the Alpha of Deadly heresies Kellogg presented, that the Omega would soon follow. Let us continue. Q} How many co-workers does the father have? 1 or 2? By Christ the work upon which the fulfillment of Gods purpose rests, was accomplished. This was the agreement in the councils of the God-head. The Father purposed in counsel with his Son that the human family should be tested and proved, (Ellen White, The Gospel Herald, June 11, 1902, par. 6) In order that the human family might have no excuse because of temptation, Christ became one with them. The only beingwho was one with God lived the law in humanity, descended to the lowly life of a common laborer, and toiled at the carpenters bench with his earthly parent. (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, October 14, 1897 par. 3) The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associatea co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:1, 2. Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Fatherone in nature, in character, in purposethe only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6. His goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Micah 5:2. And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting. When He appointed

the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him. Proverbs 8:22-30. (Ellen White, Patriarchs and Prophets, page 34) She refers to Christs father as the Sovereign of the universe. She does not state that Christ is the Sovereign with him. She also quote Proverbs 8:22-30 attributing this to Christ. Christ says of himself. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: When he prepared the heavens, I was there:Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and was daily hisdelight, rejoicing always before him;(Pro 8:22-25) And he is daily his delight. This is his beloved son in whom he is well pleased[Matt 3:17]. By the power of His love, through obedience, fallen man, a worm of the dust, is to be transformed, fitted to be a member ofthe heavenly family, a companion through eternal ages of God and Christ and the holy angels.Manuscript 21, Feb. 16, 1900. (Ellen White, The Upward Look, page 61) Let the brightest example the world has yet seen be your example, rather than the greatest and most learned men of the age, who know not God, nor Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted. (Ellen White, The Youths Instructor, July 7, 1898) Note: There is not a third spirit being called God the Spirit. Only one being in this universe could enter into the purposes and counsels of God. Christ is the only begotten son of God. To us there is one God the father 1 Cor 8:6. Jesus Christ entered his counsels. 2Jn 1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. Both means two not three. Nowhere in scripture does it say Trinity. Note: The bible does not say One God, the father, son, and Holy Ghost. John says the father and son dwell in us. By their spirit is what he meant. Not by their spirit being. Our fellowship is with the father and the son[1 John 1:3] Q} Who was the first, second, and third highest being in heaven before the fall? The Son of God was next in authority to the great Lawgiver. He knew that His life alone could be sufficient to ransom fallen man. (Ellen White, Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 2, page 9, also in Lift Him Up, page 24) Satans position in heaven had been next to the Son of God. He was first among the angels. (Ellen White, Selected Messages, book 1, page 341) Please note that Christ was next in authority behind his father. The third highest being was none other than Satan himself.

Satan, the chief of the fallen angels, once had an exalted position in Heaven. He was next in honor to Christ. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, February 24, 1874) Speaking of Satan, our Lord says that he abode not in the truth. He was once the covering cherub, glorious in beauty and holiness. He was next to Christ in exaltation and character. It was with Satan that self-exaltation had its origin. He became jealous of Christ, and falsely accused him, and then laid blame upon the Father. He was envious of the position that was held by Christ and the Father, and he turned from his allegiance to the Commander of heaven and lost his high and holy estate. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, October 22, 1895) Note: Christ and the father are the highest beings in heaven. Satan wanted to be like God. He wasnt envious of a Holy Spirit being. He wanted to be part of a trinity of beings. He became jealous of the son of God. Now on this planet he has declared there is a trinity of beings to be worshipped. When the father and son alone are to be exalted. He has created a false God. Hear O Israel, the LORD our God is one Lord[Deu 6:4]. And he sits on his throne. The bible doesnt say They sit on his throne in heaven. It is not reasonable, nor logical. The watchman are sounding the horn against this omega of deadly heresies. Here O Israel as we sigh and cry at the abominations that be done in the midst thereof [Eze 9:4]. Thou shall have no other Gods before you. [Exo 20:3] Q] A doctrine is pervading in the church today that Christ became the begotten son when he took on humanity and not before that. Was he begotten before taking human nature? A complete offering has been made; for God so loved the world, that he gave his onlybegotten Son,not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Fathers person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, May 30, 1895) Compare this with the following: Before Christ came in the likeness of men, he existed in the express image of his Father. (Ellen White, Youths Instructor, December 20, 1900) The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. (Ellen White, Review and Herald, July 9, 1895, par. 13)

Christ is the Son of God in deed and in truth and in love, and is the representative of the Father as well as the representative of the human race. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 14, page 83) Modern spiritualism, resting upon the same foundation, is but a revival in a new form of the witchcraft and demon worship that God condemned and prohibited of old. Peter, describing the dangers to which the church was to be exposed in the last days, says that as there were false prophets who led Israel into sin, so there will be false teachers, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them. And many shall follow their pernicious ways. 2 Peter 2:1, 2. Here the apostle has pointed out one of the marked characteristics of spiritualist teachers. They refuse to acknowledge Christ as the Son of God. Concerning such teachers the beloved John declares: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. 1 John 2:22, 23. Spiritualism, by denying Christ, denies both the Father and the Son, and the Bible pronounces it the manifestation of antichrist. (Ellen White, Patriarchs and Prophets, page 686) And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting. When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him. Proverbs 8:22-30.(Ellen White, Patriarchs and Prophets, page 34) Note: Christ was in the express image of God before Creation. Was begotten before the world was. Set up from everlasting. Many say the words from Proverbs 8:22-30 are not the words of Christ but were spoken by wisdom. Ms. White said Christ spoke those words. The bible says Christ is the wisdom of God 1 Cor 1:24,30. He was begotten. And to deny this is antichrist doctrine.[1 John 2:22] And it also demeans the love of God [John 3:16, 1 John 4:9]. Did God send his only begotten son, or a coeternal, co-equal being who role-played the son. I believe that if God said he sent his only begotten son that means he must have had a son to give. Did one role-play the father, and another role-played a spirit being? That sounds like 3 co-eternal friends. To see the son is to see the father. In this way the word was God[John 1:1]. But to us there is one God the father[1 Cor 8:6, Eph 4:6, Deu 6:9, John 20:17] Our Lord Jesus Christ declared him and came in his name. Think about this. If I sent my friend to die for you. How much love would that be? Not very much. On the other hand my son, who I look at, who is my express image, a little me. Who adores me, who looks at me with his blue eyes and willingness to learn, and

says abba, father, daddy, and is daily my delight. For me to send him to die for you. Would you then begin to see how much I loved you? Think about how a trinity demeans Gods love. It is very subtle but it greatly demeans his love. And the love of God draws men to repentance. This is love that he gave his only begotten son[1 John 4:9]. Not his co-eternal friend. Q} Was Christ equal with God? The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by himself that Christ should be equal with himself; so that wherever was the presence of his Son, it was as his own presence. His word was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son he had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, January 9, 1879; also in Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 1, pages 18, 19) Note: Make no mistake. Christ was equal. But let us recognize that All power and authority in not just earth but heaven too, was given by his father. He was ordained that he should be equal. This takes nothing away from Christ. Christ was in all things partaker of the Godhead. Some say for some reason that we by saying he was given authority demean the son because they believe he was co-equal and possessed all power and authority of his own self. We should let scriptures be the judge of that. The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. [Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted.] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been givenan exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. (Ellen White,Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268) Note: He has been MADE equal by his father, with his father. When Christ speaks it is as though his father is speaking. Hebrews 1:3 says by inheritance has he obtained a name as she quoted above. Like the son will inherit his fathers name. So is Christ able to speak on behalf of the only true God the father[John 17:3-5]. He has declared his fathers name[John 17:26]. Q} Does Ellen White speak out about misunderstandings about God? There were those who were active in disseminating false ideas in regard to God. Light was given me that these men were making the truth of no effect by their false teachings. I was instructed that they were misleading souls by presenting speculative

theories regarding God. This is only one of the instances in which I was called upon to rebuke those who were presenting the doctrine of an impersonal God pervading all nature, and similar errors. (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, pages 292, 293)

Note: Ellen White knew who God was. In many instances she had to rebuke those presenting false doctrines on this subject. If her husband or the other pioneers were speaking out against the trinity or three in one or one in three God as James White put it and she were Trinitarian she would have spoken out against them. Especially considering that the alpha and omega of deadly heresies are in regard to this very doctrine. Is this an important subject? Let noone tell you that it is not. The trinity is the Omega of deadly heresies. The trinity is an impersonal God. Our God is the father of Jesus Christ.[John 20:17, Gal 1:3] Ellen White would never bring in such an important doctrine quietly or privily as is being taught in the church today. Thats a misrepresentation. Q} Christ possessed original, unborrowed, underived life. Does that mean he was not begotten? In Him [Christ] was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is given him as a free gift if he will believe in Christ as His personal Saviour. (Ellen White, Signs of the Times, April 8, 1897; also in Selected Messages, book 1, pages 296, 297) Note: Please note that we also will possess original, unborrowed, underived life. This does not mean that we are not adopted sons of God. And this does not mean Christ was not the only begotten, nor does it mean he was not given it by his father. Joh 5:26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself. Original, unborrowed, underived life was given to him by his father. And we also can possess original, unborrowed, underived life through Christ. It is amazing how these quotes that have been used to support a Trinity doctrine were pulled from there natural connection to support it when there is so much evidence that she did not believe in a trinity. Q} Did Christ have any special power on earth? Was he a man? Those who claim that it was not possible for Christ to sin, cannot believe that He really took upon Himself human nature. But was not Christ actually tempted, not only by Satan in the wilderness, but all through His life, from childhood to manhood? In all points He was tempted as we are, and because He successfully resisted temptation

under every form, He gave man the perfect example, and through the ample provision Christ has made, we may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption which is in the world through lust. (Ellen White, S.D.A. Bible Commentary, vol. 7, page 929). Christs overcoming and obedience is that of a true human being. In our conclusions, we make many mistakes because of our erroneous views of the human nature of our Lord. When we give to His human nature a power that it is not possible for man to have in his conflicts with Satan, we destroy the completeness of His humanity. (Ellen White, S.D.A. Bible Commentary, vol. 7, page 929) Note: Jesus Christ walked on water. He had access to the same power we do. Some say that he came here as God, that he had power we do not. He declared God. He was God in character, spirit, love. But made like his brethren in all points. And if Christ can overcome temptation, we certainly can. Anyone who denies this denies Christ came in the flesh and this is the spirit of Antichrist[1 John 4:3]. The obedience of Christ to His Father was the same obedience that is required of man. Man cannot overcome Satans temptations without divine power to combine with his instrumentality. So with Jesus Christ; He could lay hold of divine power.He came not to our world to give the obedience of a lesser God to a greater, but as a man to obey Gods holy law, and in this way He is our example. The Lord Jesus came to our world, not to reveal what a God could do, but what a man could do, through faith in Gods power to help in every emergency. Man is, through faith, to be a partaker in the divine nature, and to overcome every temptation wherewith he is beset. (Ellen White, S.D.A. Bible Commentary, vol. 7, page 929 Note: Make no mistake. Jesus was not a lesser God, he is the son of the only true God. He was not God the son like Trinitarians believe. Nowhere in scripture or the spirit of prophecy is that written. He was as much a man as me and you in respect to his human nature. We can partake of the divine nature[2 Pet 1:4] and are told to heal the sick and blind, and cleanse the lepers. Let us first be cleansed of sin. And this will come by knowing who and what the holy spirit is, and its power, and accepting it by faith. Please note that she says The same obedience of Christ to his father is REQUIRED of man. Let us not find this a burden for it is love to keep his commandments[1 John 5:3] When Jesus was awakened to meet the storm, He was in perfect peace. There was no trace of fear in word or look, for no fear was in His heart. But He rested not in the possession of almighty power. It was not as the Master of earth and sea and sky that

He reposed in quiet. That power He had laid down, and He says, I can of Mine own self do nothing. John 5:30. He trusted in the Fathers might. It was in faithfaith in Gods love and carethat Jesus rested, and the power of that word which stilled the storm was the power of God. (Ellen White, Desire of Ages, page 336) Note: We can do nothing of ourselves either. He is our example and if we have the faith of Jesus[Rev 14:12] we will be able to calm the storm as well with the power that is Gods. Jesus did not have any advantage over us. Q} Was Jesus Christ divine and human when he came to earth? Divinity and humanity are blended in him who has the spirit of Christ. ( Youths Instructor, June 30, 1892 par. 3; also in Sons and Daughters of God, page 24) Note: Please understand that yes he possessed divinity, but we also are to be partakers of divinity. We have his spirit. He did not have a power that we didnt have as the churchs today try to make it sound. Divinity and humanity are to be blended in you if you have the spirit of God. Q} Did Christ die? If Christ is the immortal God he cannot die. He humbled himself, and took mortality upon him. As a member of the human family, he was mortal. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, September 4, 1900) Men need to understand that Deity suffered and sank under the agonies of Calvary. (MS 153, 1898). (Ellen White, S.D.A. Bible Commentary, vol. 7, page 907) Jesus said to Mary, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father. When He closed His eyes in death upon the cross, the soul of Christ did not go at once to heaven, as many believe, or how could His words be true I am not yet ascended to my Father? The spirit of Jesus slept in the tomb with His body, and did not wing its way to heaven, there to maintain a separate existence, and to look down upon the mourning disciples embalming the body from which it had taken flight. All that comprised the life and intelligence of Jesus remained with His body in the sepulcher; and when He came forth it was as a whole being; He did not have to summon His spirit from heaven. (Ellen White, S.D.A. Bible Commentary, vol. 5, pages 1150, 1151) Note: Many think that only part of Christ died. And the other part was in heaven because God cannot die. The truth is that if the only true God the father[John 17:3-5] could die. He would have came here himself and would not have let his only begotten son come here. A good father would rather die than let his son go through the agony. It hurt our father more than anything to give his only begotten son. The son knew he had to go because his father is the only immortal God. Christ died fully. There was no separate existence of him that was alive.

When Jesus had opened before his disciples the fact that he must go to Jerusalem to suffer and die at the hands of the chief priests and scribes, Peter had presumptuously contradicted his Master, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord; this shall not be unto thee. He could not conceive it possible that the Son of God should be put to death. Satan suggested to his mind that if Jesus was the Son of God he could not die. (Ellen White, Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 3, page 231) Note: Satan suggested to Peter that Christ could not die. Dont let him suggest it to you. Q} According to Ellen White who is the comforter? The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 8, page 49) The nights are long and painful, but Jesus is my Comforter and my Hope. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 19, page 296) Christ is everything to those who receive Him. He is their Comforter, their safety, their healthfulness. Apart from Christ there is no light at all. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 21, page 372) There is no comforter like Christ, so tender and so true. He is touched with the feeling of our infirmities. His Spirit speaks to the heart. The influence of the Holy Spirit is the life of Christ in the soul. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, October 26, 1897) Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the Third Person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fullness of divine power. Christ has given His Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress His own character upon His church. (Ellen White, Desire of Ages, page 671) Note: Ellen White used the words third person of the Godhead. This must be understood in the context and language of her time. And with the words used around her quotes. Christ is that spirit[John 14:18, 1 Cor 3:17]. But he is obviously Another comforter. This is what Ellen White says. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himselfdivested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent.

(Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 14, pages 23, 24; written February 18 and 19, 1895) Note: He would represent himself in the form of his ministering spirits. Not a third divine holy spirit being that was a co-equal with the father and son. Sister White said the Holy Spirit is Christ Himself, divested(stripped) of humanity. Every spirit that confesses Jesus Christ came in the flesh is the spirit of truth[1 John 4:1-6] He [Jesus] would represent Himself by His Holy Spirit. She did not say that he was another being. She said person. And the word person was used in a much different way in those days. The intent of the word is personality or presence or power And the spirit is another different personality of the Godhead. But it is none other than Christ in you himself. Not a literal being possessing you but spiritually Christ is in you. Let us go with the weight of the evidence. He represents himself. Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. On June 11, 1891, Ellen White wrote to Brother Chapman in regard to his belief that the Holy Spirit is a separate being from Christ, namely, the angel Gabriel. She wrote, in part: Your ideas of the two subjects you mention do not harmonize with the light which God has given me. The nature of the Holy Spirit is a mystery not clearly revealed, and you will never be able to explain it to others because the Lord has not revealed it to you. You may gather together scriptures and put your construction upon them, but the application is not correct. It is not essential for you to know and be able to define just what the Holy Spirit is. Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in My name. I will pray the Father, and He shall give you another Comforter, that He may abide with you for ever; even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth Him not, neither knoweth Him: but ye know Him, for He dwelleth with you, and shall be in you [John 14:16, 17]. This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter. There are many mysteries which I do not seek to understand or to explain; they are too high for me, and too high for you. On some of these points, silence is golden. I hope that you will seek to be in harmony with the body. You need to come into harmony with your brethren. (Ellen White, June 11, 1891, Manuscript Releases, vol. 14, pages 175-180 Note: Christ is the comforter. This she proved him to be. The disciples had not received the comforter at the time of John 14. Yet they knew him because he dwelt with them. In fact he was standing right in front of them. He was dwelling with them.

They knew him for he dwelt with them. He said I will not leave you comfortless, I will come to you. Who was dwelling with them? Christ himself. But he would come in another manifestation through his disciples. He also said I and my father shall be in you. The spirit is an it. Ellen White was in harmony with her brethren in 1891. Q} What does Satan want to do in regards to the comforter? The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the Comforter, as one who reproves, who warns, who admonishes them, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, August 26, 1890, also in Reflecting Christ, page 21) Note: The comforter is Christ himself and the enemy is seeking to keep us from knowing who our comforter is. Many pray for the spirit, but they do not know him. So they pray but cannot receive. They have a misunderstanding of it. Ellen White called the spirit a part of a heavenly trio. It is a trio of power. The father is the only God, the son is the one by whom all things are created. The firstborn, the only begotten son of God, and the spirit is the mind, and will of our creator which proceeds from God and is the spirit of the son, and we also have the spirit of God.[1 Cor 2:12-14] for it flows forth from God. It is the power of God. Which is the mind of Christ[1 Cor 2:16]. Christ in you is the hope of glory[Col 1:27]. With the seed of God in you, you will no longer commit known or willful sin, because he cannot commit sin [1 John 3:9], and Christ is that seed. So worship God the creator of heaven and earth[Rev 14:7], the only true God[John 17:3], the one God the father[1 Cor 8:6] and honor his son for in so doing you honor the father.[John 5:23] because he came in his fathers name[John 5:47] and has by inheritance obtained a name[Heb 1:3] And as the word, came forth from God as the only begotten, declared God, and therefore was God[John 1:1-18] Was brought forth by his father before the world began[Pro 8:22-30] and before anything made was made was not created, but all creatures were made by him[Col 1:15-16] Was ordained to be made equal to his father in heaven and earth. [Matt 28:18]. And dwells in us with his father by their spirit. [John 14:23] And freely gives us that spirit that we can partake of the divine nature.[2 Pet1:3-4]. You are invited to have fellowship with us, and truly our fellowship is with the father and his son[1 John 1:3]. And the communion we have is the communion of the Holy Spirit. A trio of power. The father God, his word, and his spirit which proceed forth from him. [1 John 5:7] And these three bear record in heaven. And many Believeth not the record that God gave his son[1 John 5:10]

Whosoever abides in the doctrine of Christ has two. Both the father and son. [2 John 1:9]. Truly There are certain men who crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.[ Jude 4]. Ellen White was not one of them. The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure. Selected Messages Book 1-Page 204, 205 The pillars of our faith that were sustained by the pioneers over the 50 years before 1905 are now accounted as error. Books of a new order have been written. A new organization established. And it is definitely a system of intellectual philosophy to believe that 1 equals 3 or 3 equals 1. Because it isnt common sense. The foundation is built on sand as you can see, and the true God is removed and another stands in his place. They cannot have his spirit because they dont know what it is. So their dependence is on human power alone. And they dont like to talk about this doctrine because Satan has sought to destroy any chance at a true understanding of him which would give us all things that pertain unto life and godliness. This is eternal life to know God and his son. Answering Evangelism Pages 615-617 The Deadliest Heresy in Seventh Day Adventism The Omega of Deadly Heresies Stay on the Ship

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The Foundation and Pillars of the Seventh Day Adventist Faith Changed? The Pillars Removed Before your Eyes Have the pillars of our Seventh Day Adventist faith been changed? Many when they think of the pillars of the Seventh Day Adventist faith think of the

Sanctuary and the three angels messages. These are the pillars of our faith. There is a truth that is seen in the sanctuary. Daniel 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. The truth about God and his son are seen in the sanctuary. Pillar of our faith The personality of God or of Christ Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor. {E. G. White, Manuscript Release No.760, p. 9} 1905 Ellen White said plainly that the pillars of our faith included an understanding of the personality of God or of Christ. This has to do with identity. It has to do with who Christ is, and who God is. This is major pillar in the Adventist faith. The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality. (Ellen White UL 367 ) Christ is not God in personality. Christ is identified as The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father. The identity of Christ is a pillar of our faith and she makes it clear in that quote that Christ is: 1. Lord 2. The only begotten son of the father 3. Not God in personality Christ is one with the father, but Christ and God are two distinct personages(RH June 1, 1905) Regarding what Christ is in respect to his form and nature, he was fully God in respect to his attributes which he possessed as his inheritance by birth as the only begotten son of God. But we are not to call him God. He is not the Lord God almighty.

We are to confess Christ as Lord and that he is the son of God Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. 1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. Thats his identity. Thats who Christ is in personality. He is The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father. Now this is about to get very interesting if you are a Seventh Day Adventist. Ms. White said clearly that Christ and God are two distinct personages, furthermore she really clarifies who the personality of God is and who the personality of Christ is. She tells us what the scriptures clearly indicate. The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. [Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted.] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268) That is very clear regarding the distinct personality and individuality of God and Christ. God is not Christ in respect to his personality. Every knee is not to confess that Christ is God in respect to his personality and individuality. Christ is not God himself. The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one. (Ellen White SDA Bible Commentary, vol.5 p.1129) A doctrine that destroys the personality of God and Christ The Trinity If you look at the book fundamental beliefs of Seventh Day Adventists it teaches us that God is or has three personalities. That God is a unity of three co-equal persons. This removes the pillar regarding the personality of God since it is telling us that God is not the father of Christ a single personality. But rather it teaches us that God is a father, son and holy spirit, three personalities.

James White put it plainly: Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ(James White, December 11, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 11, page 85, par. 16) Or in other words The book Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh Day Adventists does away with the personality of God and of his Son Jesus Christ. Or in other words The book Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh Day Adventists does away with the pillars of our faith concerning the personality of God and of Christ. JN Andrews whom the famous university called Andrews University was named after and where the Trinity is strongly proclaimed also saw that the trinity destroys the personality of God and Christ. The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. The infamous, measures by which it was forced upon the church which appear upon the pages of ecclesiastical history might well cause every believer in that doctrine to blush. (J. N. Andrews, March 6, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 24, page 185) These agree with Ms. White. Christ is our Lord the Only begotten son of God and not God in personality. God is his father, and our father. John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. 1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

God is not three personalities But one personality.Christ the only begotten son of God is a distinct personality and is not God in personality. Removing the pillars, the foundation, the rock on which the true church is built A house normally has a foundation. That foundation can include pillars which support that house. The house in scripture is sometimes referred to as Gods church. 1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house; Jesus spoke to Peter and his disciples about building his church and about that foundation. There was something that specifically identified Gods true church. It had a specific foundation. In Desire of Ages Ellen White wrote about this foundation. Peter said something regarding the personality of Christ and Christs identity in Matthew 16. But before looking at that passage, here is what Ellen White said about Peters statement. Peter had expressed the truth which is the foundation of the churchs faith (DA 413). What is that foundation? What is the rock upon which the true church is built. What did Peter say? Matthew 16:15 He(Jesus) saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? Matthew 16:16 And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. Peter expressed the truth which is the foundation of our faith. That Jesus is the Christ, the Son of The living God. This is rock on which the true church is built. This is the solid pillars and true foundation of the true Seventh Day Adventist church. Jesus did not answer and say Actually Peter, I am the Lord God almighty. Mat 16:17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Upon this rock is the true church built. The rock is the foundation. And Peter had expressed the truth which is the foundation of our faith. That Jesus is the Christ, the son of living God. This doctrine is the declaration of Gods love to us. 1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. If there is a doctrine that Satan would like to destroy. It is the doctrine regarding the personalities of God and Christ, because it would hide from us the truth of God giving his only begotten son. By removing these truths, he can remove the foundation of our faith. A Church Built on Sand A NEW Organization A false foundation Im sure most of us have heard the parable about the wise man building his house upon the rock. What did the foolish man build his house on? Mat 7:26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand; The true church is built on rock, so the false churches that will be swept away will be built on sand. To summarize what weve learned: 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. 8. 9. The Personalities of God and Christ are pillars of our faith This refers to the identity of each. God is the Father of Christ Christ is the Lord or the Son of God Christ is not God in personality To remove these Pillars is to remove the Rock or Foundation of the church The Trinity destroys the personality of God and of Christ The church that teaches Christ is the Son of God is built on a rock The church that teaches Christ is God himself is built on sand

10. God is one personality not three personalities So understanding all of this. Let us read and understand how the following has been fulfilled in every point. The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-Day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure. Selected Messages Book 1-Page 204, 205 After reading that, I ask the questions which you should be able to answer if youve read all of the above carefully. The questions are: 1. Have the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith been given up? 2. Has there been a reorganization or reformation of this sort? 3. Have the principles which sustained the first 50 years of our faith been discarded? 4. Has the first 50 years of our faith been accounted as error? 5. Has their foundation been built on sand? 6. Have books of a new order been written? 7. Have they established a system of intellectual philosophy such as (1+1+1=1)? 8. Has the God who created the Sabbath been removed? 9. Have the people had to place dependence on human power? (such as trademarking the name Seventh Day Adventist) ?

10. Will storm and tempest sweep away this structure(the General Conference) that is built on sand? Every point in that quote has been fulfilled. Are you understanding the present truth yet? If not I suggest you study the old truths that were given to our founders. Flesh and blood will not reveal it to you, but our father in heaven will. Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints. the personality of God is everything to us as a people. . {Ellen White Letter 300 1903.} See also: Christ not God in Personality Pioneers on the Trinity The General Conference was NEVER the Seventh Day Adventist Church gods of Babylon Video Questions and Answers Stay on the Ship? Posts Related to The Foundation and Pillars of the Seventh Day Adventist Faith Changed

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Christ is NOT God in personality nor identity Add comments This study requires a careful read. It is my belief that too many have merely surface read what is written in the SOP without carefully analyzing and studying what is really written. This article is not denying Christ is God in respect to his divinity, substance or form, as we believe he was begotten in the express image of Gods person(Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, May 30, 1895) and by birth posesses these attributes and the nature of the father from earliest times .God had promised to give the First -

born of heaventosave the sinner. {The Desire of Ages, p. 51} Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in

uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor. {E. G. White, Manuscript Release No.760, p. 9} 1905 Many have come to believe that God and Christ are the same personality, the same individual.They fail to distinguish between God and Christ.The Trinity doctrine is the main doctrine that teaches that Christ is God himself in personality.Ellen White said that those who have removed the pillars of our faith and have believed such doctrines are working as blind men.This article does not deny the fact that Christ was God, but explains how he was God. This topic requires study to show yourself approved. Jesus Christ is not the Lord God almighty in personality But although Christs glory was for a time veiled and eclipsed by His assuming humanity, yet He did not cease to be God when He became manThe man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one. (Ellen White SDA BibleCommentary, vol.5 p.1129) Notice the first part says Christ was God. This is a reference to his nature which was clothed with the nature of humanity. Regarding his pre-existent nature Christ was fully God.(John 1:1, Phi 2:6, Hebrews 1)Christ was given his divine(God) nature by his father who is the only true God in personality, individuality and identity. (John 17:3, John 20:17, 1 Cor 8:6) The second part of the quote says Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty. This is a reference to his personality and identity.Christ is NOT the Lord God Almighty in identity. Only one being in the universe is identified as the Lord God Almighty and that is the father. Though Jesus Christ came in his fathers name and as the angel of Jehovah in the OT and also spoke on behalf of Jehovah as Jehovahs representative. He was not Jehovah himself. Jehovah is his father. He is the mediator between our one God and us. The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. [Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted.] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268)

So you can see there Christ is not God and God is not Christ in reference to identity, individuality and personality. They are two completely separate individuals.We have to recognize the difference between the nature of Christ being God, and Christnot being the one true God in identity, individuality and personality.This is an important doctrine. The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality. (Ellen White UL 367 ) Christ is one with the father, but Christ and God are two distinct personages(RH June 1, 1905) Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ(James White, December 11, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 11, page 85, par. 16) The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. The infamous, measures by which it was forced upon the church which appear upon the pages of ecclesiastical history might well cause every believer in that doctrine to blush. (J. N. Andrews, March 6, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 24, page 185) 1Co 8:6But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Php 2:11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord(NOT GOD), to the glory of God the Father.(NOT GOD THE TRINITY) Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God(the Lord God almighty the father), and the Word was God(in respect to his divine nature, which he possessed by inheritance). For more see.http://www.thethirdangelsmessage.com/pioneers_trinity_sda.php

Michael the Archangel Add comments 2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus

Christ antichrist.

is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an

What it actually means to deny he came in the flesh is to say he had an advantage, and this is how he overcame sin. This is what the devil wants you to believe. But the word of God is to be our source of faith[Rom 10:17, Heb 11:2]. If you base your faith

on anything else you really believe in a small God because your God cannot keep his word. My God is all powerful, he does not lie, and he keeps his word, and The scriptures cannot be broken John 10:35. Now looking at the scriptures Paul writing in Hebrews tells us about the human nature of Jesus. He says: Heb 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; Partaker of this same flesh and blood. The same access to his divine power he gives to his children who believe. Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham. Heb 2:17 Wherefore in all things it behooved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. Notice that it said he took on him the nature of Abraham[A man]. Not the nature of angels nor of God. And that he was made the same way in ALL THINGS like his brethren. That means no advantage over his brethren. Who are his brothers and sisters? Those that do the will of God. Jesus Christ came in our sinful flesh. And to deny this is to be an Antichrist as weve read.[2 John 1:7] Heb 4:15 For we have not a high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. Have you ever been tempted? Of course you have. Many have not realized Jesus could have called down all the Holy Angels in heaven and destroyed his murderers and saved himself from that cross. HE WAS TEMPTED IN ALL POINTS LIKE YOU. But he did no sin. This is because he loved us, and had to die that we could be saved. All because Eve took of the fruit. Jesus had to die for that. Without shedding of blood is no remission of sins[Heb 9:22]. And sin is disobedience of Gods word. In order to become a man he emptied himself of all divinity and became dependent on his father.

Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Phi 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Phi 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. What a contrast to Lucifer. Lucifer was so prideful that he wanted to be like God. While Christ who was already equal with God and even had the form and nature of God counted it not a thing, gave it up, gave up the company of his father and the adoration of Holy angels, he gave up his throne, he gave up his immortal life, his painless life to come for wicked men who would torture, maim, beat, hate and nail him to a cross as a show of the hate for the righteous and the innocent and their hatred of God and his holy principles. But moreso he did it for you and me as all have sinned and the penalty for sin is death. We needed divine life to be given in order to have that divine and eternal life. Christ was so humble that he came to save those that Lucifer would have murdered. So humble that he went from the Prince of heaven with access to all things to be made like a man and suffer humiliation. If he was of this world or had the spirit of this world he would not have come for us. This world is desperately wicked. But in heaven dwells the love of the father and the son and all the Holy angels. In order to save us someone had to die in our place. We were to suffer the second death if we did not accept the sacrifice and blood offered for us. If he came and selfishly commited a sin. Gave into pride, or said I dont want to accept this and didnt die on the cross. We would not be here right now. That is the mercy of God. The father loved us so much that he gave his only begotten son that we might live. He only had one begotten son. There is none else. The father said to the son I must let you go. The son said to his father I know father, I must go. This is love. Other angels were willing to sacrifice themselves. But an angel would not suffice. If they could, they would have came down to save us. But they were willing to partake of this in whatever way they could. Only the only begotten, bone of bone, flesh of flesh, the express image of God, though God is not a man. Christ was in his form and nature. The one who was made equal with his father. [Phi 2:9] The one by whom all

things were created[Col 1:15-16, Joh 1:1] Only a perfect sacrifice would suffice. The son in whom God himself was well pleased came for us disobedient children. Now who was Jesus before he became a man? There is meaning to all the names. Jesus actual name is Yahshua. Yah is the name of the father and Yahshua means Yah saves. Or Yahs salvation. Yahweh is his father. Jesus is the son of the father. Yahwehs salvation is his only begotten son There is no other name under heaven by which we can be saved[Acts 4:12]. Now the bible tells us that he is The first born of every creature. [Col. 1:15.] The only begotten of the Father. [John 1:18; 3:18] Existed before he came into the world.[John 8:58; Micah 5:2; John 17:5, 24, Pro 8:22-30.] Was made higher than the angels . [Heb. 1:14].[preincarnate nature before being made in the likeness of men] He made the world and all things. [John 1:1-3; Eph. 3:3, 9] Was sent into the world by God. [John 3:34]. In Him dwells all the fullness of the God-head bodily. [Col. 2:9] All power is given to him in heaven and earth. [Matt. 28:18] Showing that he existed before the world was. But what or who was he? The bible gives us some clues. Lets sort it out. The I AM Exo 3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed Who is in the bush above? The angel of the LORD. Now in verses four and six, who is identified as being in the bush? Exo 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. Exo 3:6 Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God.

Notice that the angel (messenger) of verse 2 is really none other than God Himself. This is confirmed in the New Testament- But in actuality it is God speaking through this angel or mediator. The angel had come in Jehovahs name. Acts 7:30 And when forty years were expired, there appeared to him in the wilderness of mount Sinai an *angel of the Lord* in a flame of fire in a bush. Acts 7:31 When Moses saw it, he wondered at the sight: and as he drew near to behold it, the voice of the Lord came unto him, Now note the followingExo 3:13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? What shall I say unto them? Exo 3:14 And God said unto Moses, *I AM* THAT *I AM*: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel,*I AM* hath sent me unto you. When asked what His name is, the Angel of the LORD replying on behalf of God replies *I AM*. Now look again in the New Testament Acts 7:32 Saying, *I am* the God of thy fathers, the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. Then Moses trembled, and durst not behold. John 8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, *I am* Jesus Christ had just identified Himself as the One who was talking to some of the Old Testament patriarchs, who was present in the burning bush speaking to Moses? It was the angel of the LORD. John 18:4 Jesus therefore, knowing all things that should come upon him, went forth, and said unto them, Whom seek ye? John 18:5 They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, *I am* he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.

John 18:6 As soon then as he had said unto them, *I am* he, they went backward, and fell to the ground. Jesus Christ again makes it clear He is the one who was in the bush speaking as the *I am*. Merely speaking the words made those present fall over. So the *angel of the Lord* and Jesus are identical to, and synonymous with, the *I am* that met Moses at the burning bush. Jesus said I am come in my Fathers name,[Joh 5:43] He was given all authority and power to speak on behalf of his father. He was made Higher than the angels So how could he be the Angel in the bush? The Hebrew word for Angel is Malak. Malak can also be translated messenger. But Jesus is not just some messenger speaking on behalf of his father. He is the fathers Supreme messenger. He is the ONE mediator between God and man. [1 Tim 2:5]. No man has seen God at any time[John 1:18]. We have seen God in Christ[2 Cor 5:19], but not the eternal God the only true God the father of Jesus Christ[John 17:3] whos express image Christ is. The word LORD means YAHWEH. Which is the father. And yes Christ was the LORD who stood before Abraham on behalf of YHWH. Christ came in his fathers name. Abraham and IsaacGen 22:1 And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of. God speaks to Abraham, giving him instructions to follow. Look who speaks to Abraham nextGen 22:11 And the *angel of the LORD* called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I. Gen 22:15 And the *angel of the LORD* called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,

Gen 22:16 And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son: Gen 22:17 That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; Gen 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice. Who will bless Abraham and multiply his seed? Notice the transition from *angel of the LORD* in verse 15 to the LORD in verse 16? Notice that the angel calls him and then it is the LORD speaking. If you look closely you see that the angel is actually speaking on behalf of YHWH[The LORD] There are other examples of this. Hagar in GenesisGen 16:7 And the *angel of the LORD* found her by a fountain of water in the wilderness, by the fountain in the way to Shur. Gen 16:9 And the *angel of the LORD* said unto her, Return to thy mistress, and submit thyself under her hands. Gen 16:10 And the *angel of the LORD* said unto her, I will multiply thy seed exceedingly, that it shall not be numbered for multitude. Gen 16:11 And the *angel of the LORD* said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction. Hagar has been visited and spoken to by the *angel of the Lord*, but look who she says it wasGen 16:13 And she called the name of the LORD that spake unto her, Thou God seest me: for she said, Have I also here looked after him that seeth me? Again the *angel of the LORD* is actually none other than the LORD Himself or speaking directly on behalf of the LORD. Now a little later in GenesisGen 21:17 And God heard the voice of the lad; and the *angel of God* called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard

the voice of the lad where he is. Gen 21:18 Arise, lift up the lad, and hold him in thine hand; for I will make him a great nation. Who would make a great nation of the lad? An Angel? Think about that for a second.. The angel just said he would make him a great nation.. This angel must of had alot of power and authority.[Matt 28:18] Israelites in the wildernessExo 14:19 And *the angel of God*, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them; and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them: The Angel of God went before them. Who went before them?Exo 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way; and by night in a pillar of fire, to give them light; to go by day and night: This is YHWHs mediator.. We cannot see God face to face. No man has seen the eternal God at any time[John 1:18] But we saw Christ who is the express image of God.[Heb 1:3] Jacob. Gen 31:11 And the *angel of God* spake unto me in a dream, saying, Jacob: And I said, Here am I. Who does this messenger identify Himself as?Gen 31:13 I am the God of Bethel, where thou anointedst the pillar, and where thou vowedst a vow unto me: now arise, get thee out from this land, and return unto the land of thy kindred. Jacob sees God face to face. Gen 32:24 And Jacob was left alone; and there wrestled a man with him until the breaking of the day. Gen 32:25 And when he saw that he prevailed not against him, he touched the hollow

of his thigh; and the hollow of Jacobs thigh was out of joint, as he wrestled with him. Gen 32:26 And he said, Let me go, for the day breaketh. And he said, I will not let thee go, except thou bless me. Gen 32:27 And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. Gen 32:28 And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed. Gen 32:29 And Jacob asked him, and said, Tell me, I pray thee, thy name. And he said, Wherefore is it that thou dost ask after my name? And he blessed him there. Gen 32:30 And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for *I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved*. Jacob just wrestled God and prevailed. Who did he wrestle? Jesus obviously. And what does the prophet Hosea say about Jesus. Hos 12:4 Yea, he had power over the angel, and prevailed I know only one. And he is not your average angel. He is obviously a little higher than the angels. Higher in the sense that God is higher than the angels. Here is a further text to considerGen 48:14 And Israel stretched out his right hand, and laid it upon Ephraims head, who was the younger, and his left hand upon Manassehs head, guiding his hands wittingly; for Manasseh was the firstborn. Gen 48:15 And he blessed Joseph, and said, God, before whom my fathers Abraham and Isaac did walk, the God which fed me all my life long unto this day, Gen 48:16 The *Angel which redeemed me* from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them, and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac; and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth. Notice that Israel was talking about God and then transitioned to an angel Who is his redeemer? Scriptures explain themselves. Jesus Christ is the ANGEL there. He is the redeemer. Not a mere angel. And he has entered into the counsels of God his father.[Zech 6:13] Judges 13-

Judg 13:3 And the *angel of the LORD* appeared unto the woman, and said unto her, Behold now, thou art barren, and bearest not: but thou shalt conceive, and bear a son. *Angel of God/the Lord* appears in verses 9,13, and 15-18. Note what Manoah asks in verse 17 and the answer in verse 18: Judg 13:17 And Manoah said unto the angel of the LORD, What is thy name, that when thy sayings come to pass we may do thee honour? Judg 13:18 And the angel of the LORD said unto him, Why askest thou thus after my name, seeing it is secret? The Hebrew word translated secret in the King James (H6383) also can mean wonderful. Note that this is a title for Jesus: Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. So who had Manoah and his wife been speaking with? Further proof? Judg 13:21 But the *angel of the LORD* did no more appear to Manoah and to his wife. Then Manoah knew that he was an *angel of the LORD*. Judg 13:22 And Manoah said unto his wife, We shall surely die, because we have seen God. Manoah said this angel was God and that he would die because of it. A mediator had spoken on behalf of God. The one mediator so we can live. Judg 2:1 And an *angel of the LORD* came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you. By now this should be easy. Just who brought the Israelites out of Egypt and made the covenant with Israel that He would never break *an angel of the LORD*? or YAHWEH[THE LORD] the father. Yes, the answer is both, it is God the father

through Christ Jesus(1 Cor 8:6). For Christ is that Angel speaking on behalf of YAHWEH[The LORD] Now look who visits Gideon later in JudgesJudg 6:11 And there came an *angel of the LORD*, and sat under an oak which was in Ophrah, that pertained unto Joash the Abiezrite: and his son Gideon threshed wheat by the winepress, to hide it from the Midianites. Note what this messenger (angel) saysJudg 6:12 And the *angel of the LORD* appeared unto him, and said unto him, The LORD is with thee, thou mighty man of valour. THE LORD IS WITH THEE it was indeed God through his son Jesus with Gideon, noteJudg 6:20 And the *angel of God* said unto him, Take the flesh and the unleavened cakes, and lay them upon this rock, and pour out the broth. And he did so. Judg 6:21 Then the *angel of the LORD* put forth the end of the staff that was in his hand, and touched the flesh and the unleavened cakes; and there rose up fire out of the rock, and consumed the flesh and the unleavened cakes. Then the *angel of the LORD* departed out of his sight. Judg 6:22 And when Gideon perceived that he was an *angel of the LORD*, Gideon said, Alas, O Lord GOD! for because I have seen an *angel of the LORD* face to face. O Lord God. Judg 6:23 And the LORD said unto him, Peace be unto thee; fear not: thou shalt not die. So Gideon was speaking with YAHWEH. But yet the angel of the LORD was in front of him. Jesus was there on behalf of Yahweh given all power and authority to speak in his fathers name. In Daniel, when the three Hebrew boys were cast into the fiery furnace for not bowing down to the golden statue, not three but four figures were seen in the furnace:

Dan 3:25 He answered and said, Lo, I see four men loose, walking in the midst of the fire, and they have no hurt; and the form of the fourth is like the Son of God. Now most Christians would agree that this was indeed Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who walked with them in the furnace, in a pre-incarnation appearance. Yet, verse 28, interestingly enough, describes the fourth figure as an angel: Dan 3:28 Then Nebuchadnezzar spake, and said, Blessed be the God of Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, who hath sent his *angel*, and delivered his servants that trusted in him, and have changed the kings word, and yielded their bodies, that they might not serve nor worship any god, except their own God. So the angel is the Son of God. Whos voice raises the dead? 1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Ok. So the Voice of the Archangel is going to raise the dead. The one Lord Jesus Christ shouts with this voice. There is one who is called an Archangel that we can find in scriptures. Michael the Archangel, [Jude 9, Rev 12:9] The name Michael means Likeness of El[God] Who is like God. By the way who is like God? Jesus. Well yes. The bible says that. Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person The express image. The perfect copy Jesus said to Phillip. Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father? The father and son are clearly distinct individuals.[1 John 2:22] So the name Michael could be applied to Jesus definitely. But lets make sure. Now we have just seen that The voice of the Archangel will raise the dead. Really? Whos voice is gonna raise the dead?

Joh 5:25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. Joh 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: Joh 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; Now this is shocking to some. Michael was Jesus name before became a man, the only voice that can raise the dead. The father has given life to the son and the son gives it to whom he will. The bible says there will be a resurrection of the just and the unjust. Again 3 verses later. Whos voice? Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. Now there is a parallel verse in the bible. And guess who is standing up for Daniels people.[The just] Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. Now above John just said ALL that are in there graves. Than Daniel says Every one that is written in the book. Is this the same event? Michael is the son of God Its obvious isnt it. Notice what else Gabriel says to Daniel about Michael. Dan 10:21 But I will show thee that which is noted in the Scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince. He calls Michael Daniels prince. Who else does Gabriel say is the prince?

Dan 9:27 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince. Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince Dan 9:27..the Messiah the Prince Dan 10:21 ..Michael your prince. Act 3:15 And killed the Prince of life Rev 1:5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth The Messiah is the prince. Its cant be any more obvious who Daniels Prince is. Who is the Messiah? Joh 1:41 He first findeth his own brother Simon, and saith unto him, We have found the Messiah, which is, being interpreted, the Christ. The Messiah is the Christ. Jesus is Micheal the Archangel. The Angel of the LORD who was sent to speak on behalf of God throughout the old Testament. If we saw God we would die. We cannot see the father and live. We would be consumed because of our sins. That is why when God talked he sent his messenger Jesus Christ[The angel of the LORD]. But we must know that God sent a mediator to speak on his behalf. 1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Who could mediate on our behalf. Moses knows. Moses was buried in the grave, and the devil said that Moses was his because Moses had sinned. But there was someone there mediating on his behalf. Who? Jud 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Who could contend with the devil, but our ONE mediator Jesus Christ. This is the scene of judgement. The father is on the throne. The devil is the accuser, and Jesus Christ is saying My blood, my blood father He can raise the dead. He can rebuke the Devil when the devil contends for your body. Someone can stand on your behalf and say Is this not a brand plucked out of the fire Zec 3:1 And he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him. Zec 3:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, The LORD rebuke thee, O Satan; even the LORD that hath chosen Jerusalem rebuke thee: is not this a brand plucked out of the fire? Yeah, the Angel of the LORD will rebuke Satan. I think we have established who Christ was before humbling himself and becoming a man so that we could live. Rev 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, Whos angels? The one who created them[Col 1:16] 2Th 1:7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels, Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Christ came as the eternal God however his father is the eternal God, and Christ came in his fathers name, by inheritance he has this name[Heb 1:4]. Like a son inherits his fathers name by birth. And all power and authority has been given to his son the prince. [Matt 28:18] Exo 23:20 Behold, I send an Angel before thee, to keep thee in the way, and to bring thee into the place which I have prepared. Exo 23:21 Beware of him, and obey his voice, provoke him not; for he will not pardon your transgressions: for my name is in him.

There are 6 verses that speak of Michael or the Archangel. And weve looked at every one. 1,2, Dan 10:13,21 which shows Michael is Daniels Prince as is the Messiah [Dan 9:27]. 3. Daniel 12:1 which parrelels John 5 and the 2 resurrections and One standing on behalf of the just. 4, 1 Thess 4:16 where the dead in Christ are raised at The voice of the archangel. Who elses voice can raise the dead? Who else is given power to raise the dead? Who is the resurrection and the life? This verse again parrelels John 5 where The voice of the Son of God raises the dead. If Jesus is not Micheal then there are 2 voices who have been given all power to resurrect 5. Jude 9 when Micheal mediates at the judgement scene for the body of Moses. Christ is the one mediator. 6. Rev 12:9 The war in heaven Michael captains the host of angels. Joshua met the Captain of the Host in [Joshua 5:14, 15]. Jesus is the prince and creator of those angels. How many Captains do they have? Jesus will be revealed with his mighty angels at the second coming[2 Thess 1:7]. Whos angels are they? Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. I hope now you know him who is like God a little better now.

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Truth about God 1. John 16:13, 14 - The comforter, who is this verse talking about? 2. 1 John 5:20 - Who is the true God in this verse. Looking at this verse we see the true God has a son. So he must be a father, not a Trinity. 3. 2 Corinthians 13:14 - This verse talks about God, Christ and the holy spirit. Only one being is referred to as God in this verse. 4. Acts 5:3, 4 - Lieing to Gods spirit is akin to lieing to God himself. Is this God a trinity. 5. Romans 8:27 - The intercessor 6. Hebrews 1:8 - Hebrews 1 talks about God speaking through his son. This God is a father, and he calls his son god. He also called them gods unto whom he gave the scriptures(John 10:35) Could this refer to Christs nature? 7. Isaiah 43:10 - Isaiah 43:10 tells us there is only one God and none other but he. Paul says There is one God the father 8. John 1:1 - The word was of substance and nature fully God, then the word was of substance and nature made flesh. This refers to the nature of Christ, not his identity. To us there is but one God the father(1Cor 8:6) 9. John 8:58 - Jesus talks about coming in his fathers authority and name and speaking to Abraham and Moses. 10. John 10:17 - Jesus is raised from the dead. He says this commandment recieved he of the father. So who raised Jesus? 11. John 10:30 - Jesus said I and my father are one. This unity he desired to exist between his apostles when he said that they may be one even as we are one(John 17:11, 21-22). Jesus was not speaking of a 12 headed trinity but the unity that exists between God his father and himself. 12. Matthew 28:19 - This verse discusses baptism of the apostles. Does it teach a trinity. Interestingly the title God is not even used in this verse. The apostles never once baptized in this name. 13. Phillipians 2:5-9 - Phillipians 2:5-9 goes over the issue of Christ and his form and nature. Christ was in the form of and equal with God. Was he the God he was equal with? Does this verse teach a trinity? Or does it teach Christ had Gods nature and that God is a father?

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1 John 5:7 - There are three that bear record. Verse 10 says the record is that God is a father, not a trinity. Verse 10 also tells us many do not believe the record that God gave his son. Some believe God is not really a father 15. Genesis 1:26 - God said let us. Does this mean God was talking to himself? Is this teach us a trinity? Or maybe God is a single being who was talking to his son Jesus Christ. Maybe this verse is non-trinitarian. What does the bible teach us about the title elohim(God)? 16. Isaiah 9:6 - Isaiah 9:6 tells us about a son that is given. This son is Gods son. Christ is made an everlasting father over Israel and the children God gave him, the government is placed on his shoulders. The same was said of Eliakim son of Hilkiah in Isaiah 22:21. Is this telling us that Eliakim is part of a Trinity? Or is this verse nontrinitarian? 17. Isaiah 44:6/Revelation 1:17 - The first and the last. Revelation 1:17 also mentions Chirst as the first and the last. Is this verse teaching us a trinity? Or is this verse actually non-trinitarian? 18. Matthew 3:16, 17 - Shows the father talking to his son. Is this verse teaching a trinity or is it non-trinitarian? Some have said because we see the spirit as a dove that means it is a person. Birds are known in scripture to be representative of angels.[Rev 18:3] 19. Revelation 1:8 - It is believed by many that Revelation 1:8 is referring to Christ Jesus and many believe this verse proves a trinity. But a closer look at this verse reveals that this verse is speaking about our one God the almighty father and is actually a non-trinitarian verse. 20. Romans 8:26 - Romans 8:26 talks about the holy spirit making intercession for us. The bible speaks of one being who makes intercession for us. We have one God and one mediator between us and God, the man Christ Jesus. Romans 8 talks about the intercession of Christ Jesus our high priest 21. Titus 2:13 - The question is, should this verse be read to say, the appearing of the great God who is our Saviour Jesus Christ, or should it be read as saying, the appearing of the great God, as well as of our Saviour Jesus Christ? Does this verse teach a trinity or is this verse non-trinitarian? 22. Isaiah 48:11 - Many say this verse teaches us that Jesus Christ is God and that Isaiah 48:11 is talking about a Trinity. But we take a closer look at this issue and the bible reveals that this verse is non-trinitarian and is not talking about the trinity at all. 23. John 20:28 Thomas says to Jesus my Lord and my God. Some say that Thomas is calling Jesus his God. Is this verse Trinitarian. This page takes a look at

this verse and reveals some amazing things about our one God the father and one Lord Jesus Christ1 Cor 8:6 and shows that this verse does not teach a trinity. 24. Micah 5:2 - is often used to prove a trinity. But looking closely at this text we see that it teaches us that Christ had an origin in heaven. This verse teaches us that he came out from God and is the son of the eternal God and is non-trinitarian.

ohn 16:13, 14 Add comments Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. Joh 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. Clearly this passage Jesus is speaking of someone else other than himself when he says he shall glorify me. This verse is also referring to the spirit of truth. So who is that spirit of truth that will not testify of himself but shall speak of Christ. 1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the Spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. Looking carefully at this verse it tells us that the spirit of truth is known by those who are of God. And it is contrasted with the spirit of error. In John 16:13, 14 the Spirit of truth is called he 7 times. Therefore John is saying that this Spirit of truth is a he. Who is the he John is talking about? Lets look at verse 2 of the same passage and who the spirit of truth is. 1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: So it is a he. The Spirit of truth which is interchanged with the Spirit of God is Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. So we can see that people are referred to as spirits by John. Now lets read John 16 again understanding this concept.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he[Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh], the Spirit of truth, is come, he[Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh] will guide you into all truth: for he[Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh] shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he[Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh] shall hear, that shall he[Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh] speak: and he[Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh] will show you things to come. Joh 16:14 He[Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh] shall glorify me: for he[Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh] shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. Now, perhaps a little repetitive. But Christ is speaking of someone else in this verse. Unlike in John 14:17,18 when he says: Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Joh 14:20 At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you. Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. You know it is Christ our comforter and the father who make their abode in us. We do not speak of ourselves, but we glorify him, we declare that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. There is no comforter like Christ, so tender and so true. He is touched with the feeling of our infirmities. His Spirit speaks to the heart. The influence of the Holy Spirit is the life of Christ in the soul. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, October 26, 1897) Now lets look at who else can be referred to by John as he, the spirit of truth. Heb 1:7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire. Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Now angels are ministering spirits, holy spirits, spirits of truth who are sent in Jesus name to show things to come. In fact lets look at who John receives testimony from in the book of Revelation. Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: Notice the order of this message how is it passed on here. 1.From God2.To Jesus3.By his Angel4.To his servant John and his other servants So, here we have a ministering spirit[angel] giving the message to John. The spirit of truth is come to show you things to come[John 16:13, Rev 1:1] and he does not speak of himself[John 16:13, Rev 1:1] but he is giving the Revelation of Jesus Christ. Showing his servants things which must shortly come to pass. This is reiterated in the book. Notice the message to the churches. Christ is speaking to them through the angel. Rev 3:1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead. Seven spirits of God. Possibly seven angels standing before the throne. [Rev 1:4] Seven Spirits can refer to Seven beings. God the father is a spirit[John 4:23, 24]. Our Lord Jesus Christ is a spirit[2 Cor 3:17]. And John refers to us as spirits[1 John 4:1-6] and also angels as spirits[Heb 1:7,14]. Now who is it that is giving the message? Who is speaking to the church? Rev 3:6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. The spirit of truth has given this message. It is God to Christ to the angel to John. Now if there is another distinct and separate being in this matter called the Holy Spirit John wasnt told about him in Revelation 1:1. The angel is made up of spirit and body. Just as Christ has a body, the father has a body, and we have a body. However at times in

scripture we are referred to as spirits. The body without the spirit is dead as James says.

1 John 5:20 Add comments 1 John 5:20 says: And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life. Some Trinitarians teach that this text says Jesus is the true God. Let us look, however, at the subject of the text who is him that is true, and the one who has come to give us an understanding of him that is true, the Son of God has come to give us an understanding of him that is true. The purpose in giving us this understanding is so that we may know him that is true, and to know him we must come to him by his son Jesus. Jesus, himself, said, No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him (John 1:18). Here Jesus shows that for us to be in him that is true we have to go through the Son. In the verse John tells us about him that is true(the father) and his son Jesus Christ) the son of the true God. This is what Jesus, himself, says in John 17:3, and the meaning of both passages is the same. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent (John 17:3).

2 Corinthians 13:14 Add comments

It says: The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.(2 Cor 13:14) The text speaks of: 1) The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. 2) The love of God. 3) The communion of the Holy Ghost. In this verse the title God is used only once and it is used in reference to a specific person. Obviously, it is God the Fatherwhose love is spoken of in this verse, and, according to John 3:16, he loves us so much that he gave his only begotten Son to give grace to us that we can be drawn into communion with them both through the Spirit. Jesus said, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him (John 14:23). Please observe that Paul did not say we would commune with the Holy Ghost, but he speaks of the communion of the Holy Ghost. What does he mean by this? When Paul spoke of the communion of the Holy Ghost, he was showing how our communion would be. It would be by the means of the Holy Spirit that we would commune or have fellowship with God and Jesus Christ. 1 John 1:3 states, That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. According to John, we have fellowship with the Father and with his Son, through the Holy Spirit. Paul wanted this experience to remain with the Christians in Corinth and also with us today, an experience of true fellowship with the Father and with his Son through the Holy Spirit.

Acts 5:3-4 Add comments

But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God (Acts 5:3, 4). In verse 3 Peter says that Ananias lied to the Holy Ghost or Holy Spirit, but in verse 4 Peter says Ananais lied unto God. It would seem that God is equated with the Holy Spirit. The promise of the Holy Spirit to the apostles was something they looked forward to with great anticipation. As the Spirit came, they remembered the words of Jesus, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him (John 14:23). When the Spirit came on the day of Pentecost they knew that indeed the Father and the Son were with them. In fact, the entire book of Acts tells of the marvelous works they accomplished because the Spirit had given them power to work in building up the kingdom of God. Peter knew well who the Holy Spirit was, so when Ananias lied about the sale of the land, Peter could use the terms Holy Ghost and God interchangeably and not be wrong. Note: If I tell you that you have grieved my spirit, do I mean you have grieved someone else? No, I mean you have hurt me on the inward level! In John 11 we have a similar example at the death of Lazarus. In verse 33 we read this: When Jesus therefore saw her weeping, and the Jews also weeping which came with her, he groaned in the spirit, and was troubled. Notice the term used is, he groaned in the spirit. A few verses later we read, Jesus therefore again groaning in himself cometh to the grave (v. 38). First the Bible says he groaned in the spirit, and then, speaking of the same person with the same experience, the Bible later says, Jesus therefore again groaning in himself.

We can see that the terms groaned in the spirit and groaning in himself mean the same thing. It is an experience of an individual. Peter knew that the Holy Ghost was God himself, personally present with his disciples in a non-bodily form.

Hebrews 1:8 Add comments Hebrews 1:8 says: But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Paul is quoting from Psalm 45:6 in the Septuagint. The translation of this verse from The Jewish Publication Society of theOld Testament reads: Thy throne given of God is for ever and ever; a sceptre of equity is the scepter of thy kingdom. This is entirely in keeping with a strict translation of the Greek. If this is correct, then there is no apparent conflict, but if the translation is correct as given in the King James Bible as well as in several other translations, how should we view this verse? According to the King James Bible, it should be noted that the Father, the Supreme Sovereign of the universe, gave this title to Jesus, so obviously Jesus is not the Supreme Being. Jesus was declared to be God by the Father because of who he, Jesus, is. Jesus is divine by the very nature of being theSon of God. In comparison to the angels, Jesus hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they because he is Gods own Son. The Father exalted the Son to the same plateau as himself, thus making his Son worthy of worship. And again, when he bringeth in the first begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him (Hebrews 1:6). Here we see that even the angels of God were instructed to worship the Son even as the Father is worshipped.

It is the Father who is ultimately responsible for all things, and he has given to Jesus the authority and position Jesus now holds. Paul understood this well, for he wrote: For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all (1 Corinthians 15:27, 28). These verses clearly show that God the Father has put all things under Jesus feet, and that he, God, is not under Christ. When all things shall be given back to the Father, then shall Jesus be subject to the Father that God may be all in all. Thus, when Jesus is given the title of God, it is in reference to his divine nature and in reference to his relationship to us, his children. However, he, is not the Father himself. Ephesians 1:17 agrees with this for there the Father is called the God of our Lord Jesus Christ. While the Father is called the God of Christ, Jesus is never called the God of the Father. So the word was God since Christ was in the form of God and was therefore fully God in respect to his attributes which he possessed by birth. That is WHAT he was, not WHO he was. The word was made flesh or in the form of man. Obviously thats not referring to his identity. Hebrews 1 refers to the pre-incarnate nature of Christ Lower than angels. Its referring to WHAT he was, not WHO he was. Kind of like John speaking of the people whom the word was given to, Jesus said about his father that he called them gods(John 10:34). This isnt referring to WHO we are. Its referring to the divine nature that is given us as sons of the almighty one, the father. Joh 10:30 I and my Father are one. Joh 10:31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him. Joh 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me? Joh 10:33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou,being a man, makest thyself God.

Joh 10:34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? Joh 10:35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Why was Christ considered a blasphemer? And how was he making himself God? Joh 10:36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? So I can truly say Jesus was fully God in respect to his divine nature which he was infinitely given, however he is not God in personality. There is one God in personality and that is his father, and my father, his God and my God. He is the son of God. 1Jn 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God. This is his identity. This is WHO he is. And by divine right he is God. Thats WHAT he is. He is truly God in infinity, but not in personality. (Ellen White UL 367 )

saiah 43:10 Add comments Isaiah 43:10 says: Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. There is no doubt that this passage is speaking exclusively of God the Father and is also speaking of the children of Israelwho are the witnesses and servants of the Lord God. They have witnessed and can testify that he alone is God, the Supreme Being of the universe, and that there is no other God. There never has been and never will be. What was it that led Israel to this knowledge?

I have declared, and have saved, and I have showed, when there was no strange god among you: therefore ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, that I am God (Isaiah 43:12). This text is saying, First I predicted your deliverance; I declared what I would do, and then I did itI saved you. No foreign god has ever done this before. You are witnesses that I am the only God. Israel had an experience with God, and through the mighty experiences of deliverances they had, they came to know that he is the only true God.

John 1:1 Add comments

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality. (Ellen White UL 367 ) Christ is not God in personality. Christ is identified as The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father. The identity of Christ is a pillar of our faith and she makes it clear in that quote that Christ is: 1. Lord 2. The only begotten son of the father 3. Not God in personality Christ is one with the father, but Christ and God are two distinct personages(RH June 1, 1905) The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one. (Ellen White SDA Bible Commentary, vol.5 p.1129)

John 1:1 is a good question. It means exactly what it says. But it is referring to Christs nature. Not to who he is. This verse is not referring to his identity. The verse says He was with God. Who is he with? Hes with the father right? Hes not with a Trinity. And He was God. How are we to understand this? Christ was in the form of God and equal with God[Phi 2:6]. However he was not the eternal God. He was with God. He was equal with God. Who was he with? Who was he equal with? Obviously he is equal with the father The only true God[John 17:3]. Its God who gave Christ his nature by birth. For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;. So Christ by inheritance obtained or recieved his nature[Heb 1:8]. This was Given to Christ[Matt 28:18]. The Trinitarian however believes that Christ posessed this on his own. But Phillipians 2 tells us thatGod also has highly exalted him that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow. In Hebrews 1:6 God said let all the angels of God worship him. All to the glory of our one God the father. Compare it to having a child. This is a comparison. When you are born lets say your nature is God. In actuality and reality right now you are in the likeness of men. But lets say you are the God, the only God, there is no other God.This is a comparison. Lets also say you have a son. This son by birth posesses your nature. He is born flesh of flesh, bone of bone, God by nature. So in the beginning was the word, the word was with the God[which would be you in the example], and the word was God by nature but yet that word is begotten or born from you. That word is by nature God. Is the word the only true God in regards to identity? No. He is God by nature though. Now look closer at John 1 hopefully understanding the concept of his nature vs his identity. Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

The word was God in respect to his nature, then the word was made flesh in respect to his nature. This is not referring to the identity of the word. Otherwise since the word was flesh we would have to conclude that his identity is flesh and therefore when speaking of Jesus not only would we identify him as God but we could call him flesh as well. The word was the only begotten of the father. Now look at verse 18 and notice that God is the father alone, and no man has seen him. Regarding identity this verse defines him as the father, and Christ is identified as the son of God. Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. No man has seen God at any time. Its a fact. This refers to THE God. No man has seen him, but the son has declared him. The son is a perfect copy[express image] of him. But he the God is the father alone. Now hopefully you can see here who is THE God and what is meant by Christ and his nature. Compare John 1 to this.. Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Php 2:7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: Who is he in the form of? The father. Who is he equal with? The father. No Trinity here obviously, and not 2 Gods. Christ is not another God, nor is he the eternal God himself, however he was fully God in nature. Hopefully you understand what I mean. Notice a few verses later what it says.. Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

God exalted him, God made him equal. And every knee is not bowing to the glory of God the trinity, nor are they bowing to the glory of God the father and God the son. But they are bowing and confessing Christ is Lord to the glory of God the father, the only true God, there is no other God but he. 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. You understand what is meant by the nature of Christ. He was God by nature, but yet not the eternal God. But although Christs glory was for a time veiled and eclipsed by His assuming humanity, yet He did not cease to be God when He became manThe man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one. Ellen White SDA Bible Commentary, vol.5 p.1129 Regarding Christs nature AT Jones says he was by nature God by birth. He is the One whom the Lord possessed in the beginning of His way; who was set up from everlasting; who was by Him as one brought up with Him. Proverbs 8:22, 23, 30. He is the one whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of Eternity. Micah 5:2, (with margin). He is the only begotten of the Father, and is therefore in very substance of the nature of God; in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; He, therefore, by divine right of inheritance, bears from the Father the name of God. John 3:16; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:4-8. Thus Christ Jesus was indeed by divine and eternal right one of God equal with God."[AT Jones, The spirit of Papacy] Also EJ Waggoner said similar saying Christ is of the substance of the Father, so that in his very nature he is GodIn this sense the word was God In arguing the perfect equality of the Father and the Son, and the fact that Christ is in very nature God, we do not design to be understood as teaching that the Father was not before the Son. It should not be necessary to guard this point, lest some should think that the Son existed as soon as the Father; yet some go to that extreme, which adds nothing to the dignity of Christ, but rather detracts from the honor due him, since many throw the whole thing away rather than accept a theory so obviously out of harmony with the language of Scripture, that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.He was begotten, not created. He is of the substance of the Father, so that in his very nature he is God; and since this is so it pleased the Father that

in him should all fullness dwell. Col. 1:19 While both are of the same nature, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while Christs personality had a beginning (E. J. Waggoner, The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1889 Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Fatherone in nature, in character, in purposethe only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. (Ellen White PP 34)

John 8:58 Add comments John 8:58 says: Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. The Jews heard the words of Jesus, Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death (John 8:51). They then took him to task about whether he was greater than their ancestor Abraham. Jesus answered and said, Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad (John 8:56). The Jews were amazed at the fact that even though Jesus was not yet fifty years old, he spoke of Abraham seeing his day. Jesus hastened to tell them that he was before Abraham; in other words, what Jesus was saying was, The truth is, I existed before Abraham was even born! This passage certainly speaks of the pre-existence of Christ! The message Jesus wanted to convey to the Jews was that he was before, and greater than, Abraham. The Hebrew expression that the term I AM is drawn from means to be self-existent. Jesus noted in John 5:26, For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself. Jesus has self-existent life, but this life, he says, was given to him by the Father. It is this life that enables Jesus to be the Author of creation and to exist before all things (Colossians 1:16; Proverbs 8:22-30; John 1:3).

ohn 10:17 Add comments John 10:17, 18 say: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man takethit from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father (John 10:17, 18). These verses are often used to support the idea that Jesus did not really, truly, and fully die, and that he was able to raise himself from the dead. These verses must be harmonized, however, with other texts such as Isaiah 53:12 which says that Jesus poured out his soul unto death, and with over thirty texts in the New Testament that teach that Jesus was raised from the dead by the Father. According to Thayers Greek-English Lexicon of The New Testament, the Greek word that is translated I might take also means to receive (what is given), to gain, to get, to obtain, to get back. The same Greek word is used in verse 18 but is translated received. Christ laid down his life that he might receive it again. The Greek word that was translated power (exousia) means power in the sense of authority or permission rather than the power of physical force. Let us read the verses again with a more consistent translation of the words. Jesus said: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might receive it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to receive it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. Christ had the authority or permission to lay down his life so that he could receive it again from his Father. Christ could not, and did not, raise himself from the dead, for then he could not have been dead.

In the prophecy of Christs complete death, recorded in Psalm 88:8, Christ says, I am shut up, and I cannot come forth. To make the claim that Jesus Christ raised himself from the dead would be to directly contradict the words of Christ, for Christ said, I can of mine own self do nothing (John 5:30). It would also contradict at least thirty verses in the New Testament that say that Christ was raised from the dead by his Father. Paul, writing in Galatians 1:1, states that God the Father raised him from the dead. The Bibles testimony that Christ died completely and that his Father raised him from the dead is overwhelming. Isaiah 53 speaks of the complete death of Christ: Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sinhe hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors (Isaiah 53:10, 12). According to the Bible, the soul of Christ died. It was his soul that was made an offering for sin. A dead person cannot even think, let alone raise himself from the dead.

ohn 10:30 Add comments John 10:30 states: I and my Father are one. In three places in John 17, Jesus prayed for unity among his disciples and in all three places he compared the unity that he desired among his people to the unity which exists between himself and God the Father. Note his words in the following passages: And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may

be one, as we are. . . That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one (John 17:11, 21, 22). Nobody would be foolish enough to suggest that Jesus wanted his disciples to become one person or even one being. His meaning is that he wants them to be united, to be in perfect harmony, to enjoy a unity of thought, purpose, and action such as he enjoyed with his Father. This text no more indicates a unity of substance between the Father and the Son, than the unity between Christians suggests that all Christians are of one substance.

Matthew 28:19 Add comments Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: The apostles never once baptized in the name of the father, son, and holy spirit. So either: 1) The disciples may have been in direct rebellion against Jesus. 2) They may have misunderstood what he said. 3) Matthew 28:19 may be a gloss. Perhaps Jesus never gave this command. 4) The disciples understood the command of Jesus differently than most Trinitarians understand it today. I personally dont believe #1 or #2. There is evidence for #3, however the scriptures cannot be broken[John 10:35] and I accept it for what it says, but like the disciples I believe #4 is the explanation here.

Firstly it says in the name of which is singular not in the names of which is pluaral. When we do something in the name of this can mean in the authority of. If you remember in the book of Acts chapter 2 Peter said. Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. So they were baptized in the name of Jesus. But they recieved the gift of the holy ghost and this gift was given from the father. So all 3 are present here. Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. So again above here you see the father gives the promise, the promise is the holy spirit and they are baptized in the name of Jesus. All 3 are there. Hopefully, you are seeing that I understand it differently than the Trinitarian. There is a parralel verse to Matthew 28:19 which documents the same event. It is in Luke 24. This reinforces what Im saying. Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his[Jesus] name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things. Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high[the holy ghost]. [brackets added] So again we see the power the Holy Spirit the father who gives this promise of the holy spirit and they are baptized in the name of Jesus. This is the exact same event as Matt 28:19 worded differently for clarity.

Now, not all 3 are God. Look at this next verse and there is something I want you to notice. All 3 are mentioned, the father, son and holy spirit but only 1 is called God. And to most Trinitarians this is the #1 proof text for the Trinity. But notice it teaches there is One God the father not One God the father, son and holy spirit 2Co 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen. So in that verse we have God Christ and the holy Ghost. Only one being in that verse is God and its the father alone.

Philippians 2:5-9 Add comments Philippians 2:5-9 says: Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name. What does the phrase being in the form of God mean? Does this mean that Jesus is the sovereign God himself? This phrase is evidently set in opposition to the phrase, took upon him the form of a servant. The intent of the passage is to show the degree of the condescension of the Son of God by highlighting the immensity of the humiliation which he embraced when he took humanity upon himself. The difference between humanity and divinity is infinite, with divinity being at the pinnacle of existence and humanity far down on the scale.

What was the position of Christ before he came to earth? Was he human? Was he angelic? Where would he fall in the classification of beings? Clearly, he was divine; he was in the category of divinity. He was in the form of God. It was from this position that he descended to the level of humanity. In other words, it was not an angel who came to earth and it was not a human being, but rather it was One who was at the utmost height of existence, even One Who was divine and, in this respect, equal with God. Let us note that it is not the divinity of Christ which is in question. It is not the fact that he is equal with the Father in nature which is in question. Rather, the problem is the concept of the Godhead which makes Jesus the sovereign God himself (the supreme Being of the universe). This would destroy the truth that the Father is the highest authority in the universe, the source of all, and that Jesus truly is his begotten Son. What many find it difficult to come to grips with is the concept that Jesus can be a divine Being, One who is God by nature, yet not be the most high God himself. However, this is the clear teaching of the Bible and it is only as we pursue our studies upon the basis of what the Bible clearly teaches that we can arrive at a proper understanding of biblical truth. The true relationship of Jesus to the Father is brought out in Colossians and Paul makes the matter very clear. Colossians 2:9 says: For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Here we see that the fullness of the godhead exists in Christ, but as Colossians 1:19 explains, . . . it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell. Here we see that it is the Father who has ordained that the fullness of the godhead should dwell in Christ. This makes it clear that the Father is greater than Jesus and is the One who has ordained the status of Christ. This is in perfect harmony with Matthew 28:18 where Jesus said, All power [exousia (authority)] is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Note: All power is his, but it was given unto him by One who is evidently greater than he.

For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all (1 Corinthians 15:27, 28).

1 John 5:7 Add comments For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. Read (1 John 5:10-13) [Immediate context] He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life. These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God. The immediate context is clearly speaking of testifying that Jesus is the Son of God. This testimony is diametrically opposed to the theory of the Trinity doctrine. The rest of First John, as well as the Gospel of John, bears indisputable proof that Jesus is the Son of God. You cannot read more than a few verses without coming back to the theme that Jesus is the Son of God. Notice some of the following verses: (1 John 4:9) In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. (1 John 4:14, 15) And we have seen and do testify that the Father sent the Son to be the Saviour of the world. Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

(1 John 5:1) Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. This theme is what we find summarized in Johns Gospel in the following verse: (John 20:31) But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. v Should we then take an interpretation of this text which teaches the very opposite of the immediate context, as well as the context of the whole book? v Should we take an interpretation of this text which teaches the very opposite of the whole reason he tells us that he is writing the book and all of his books? -That would most certainly be wresting the scriptures. Whatever interpretation we take from these verses, it must be in harmony with that obvious purpose of his writing. Chapter 18 What are these verses really teaching? In verse 8 we are told that there are three that bear witness in earth, the spirit, the water, and the blood and that these three agree in one. That is, they bear a united witness. The water bears witness and the blood bears witness, yet no one would suggest that the water and blood are persons or much less a trinity. Why then should we insist that because the spirit bears witness in heaven it must be a separate individual? There are three ways in which witness is borne to the truth in heaven. These witnesses are one because they bear a united witness. It does not mean that they are one person, one being, or one God. Jesus explained what this oneness means when he prayed that we all might be one as he and his Father are one. (See John 17:22.) Not that we might become one human but simply that we might be in perfect harmony, even as he and his Father are in perfect harmony. In heaven, God bears witness to the truth and so do Christ and the Holy Spirit! In heaven there are three avenues of witnessFather, Son, and Holy Spirit.

On the earth there are threethe water, the spirit, and the blood. Are the three on earth a Trinity because they are mentioned in the same breath or agree as one? By the same reasoning we would have to conclude that the Father, the Word, and the Spirit are not necessarily a Trinity simply because they bear a united witness in heaven or because they are mentioned at the same time. You have to apply the same logic as you do to 1 John 5:7 as you do with 1 John 5:8. But how have they borne witness that Jesus is the Son of God? Father The Father witnessed that Jesus was the Son of God at his baptism when he spoke from heaven: This is my beloved Son. (Matthew 3:17) Jesus (John 10:36) Christ bore witness when he said, Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God? Gods Spirit (Holy) In (John 10:25) Jesus tells us how the Spirit bears witness: I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Fathers name, they bear witness of me. (Matthew 12:28) These works which bore witness of Christ, he tells us were performed by the Spirit of God in him. But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. It is of interest that most reputable authorities agree that a part of 1 John 5:7, 8 was most certainly added to the Bible during the period known as the Dark Ages. Specifically, the part added reads, in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth. If the questionable portion were taken out, the verse would read: For there are three that bear record, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. What does SDA Bible commentary have to say about this verse? The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary states concerning these verses: The disputed words found their way into the KJV by way of the Greek text of Erasmus. It is said that Erasmus offered to include the disputed words in his Greek Testament if he were shown even one Greek MS that contained them. A library in Dublin produced

such a MS (known as 34), and Erasmus included the passage in his text. It is now believed that the later editions of the Vulgate acquired the passage by the mistake of a scribe who included an exegetical marginal comment in the Bible text that he was copying. The disputed words have been widely used in support of the doctrine of the Trinity, but, in view of such overwhelming evidence against their authenticity, their support is valueless and should not be used (The Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 7, p. 675). Some people would object strongly to the very suggestion that errors may have crept into the text of the Bible in any way whatsoever. However, it is interesting to note what Ellen White had to say concerning this: I saw that God had especially guarded the Bible; yet when copies of it were few, learned men had in some instances changed the words, thinking that they were making it more plain, when in reality they were mystifying that which was plain, by causing it to lean to their established views, which were governed by tradition. But I saw that the Word of God, as a whole, is a perfect chain, one portion linking into and explaining another. True seekers for truth need not err; for not only is the Word of God plain and simple in declaring the way of life, but the Holy Spirit is given as a guide in understanding the way to life therein revealed (Early Writings, pp. 220, 221). *Even more interestingly, Ellen White, in all her thousands of pages of writing and thousands of Scripture quotations, never once quoted 1 John 5:7, the text which we are presently considering. 1Jn 5:7-10 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:.He that believeth on the Son of God(the father, not the trinity) hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God(the father, not the trinity) hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record(that the father word and spirit bear) that God(the father, not the trinity) gave of his Son.

Genesis 1:26 Add comments Genesis 1:26 states: And God said, Let us make man in our image. Some people suppose that we can find the Trinity doctrine in the first chapter of the Bible. They make this claim because the Hebrew word elohim, which is translated

God, is plural, and they believe the plural pronouns in Genesis 1:26 help to support the Trinity doctrine as well. The Hebrew word elohim is plural, but it never indicates plurality when referring to the true God. Every time elohim is used referring to the true God it has a singular meaning. Gensenius Hebrew-Chaldee Lexicon to the Old Testament calls it the plural of majesty and the Brown-Drivers Briggs Hebrew Lexicon says that when it refers to the true God it is plural intensive with a singular meaning. Note: If Elohim means three persons, then El would mean one person. If Elohim is a plural word referring to three persons, then El must refer to only one of those three persons. This would mean a trinitarian would have a massive job in explaining which instances of El in the scriptures referred to which Triune Person in Elohim. There are a few places in the Bible where elohim has a singular meaning even when it refers to men or false gods (Exodus 7:1 and 1 Kings 11:5). (Exodus 7:1) And the LORD said unto Moses, See, I have made thee a god (elohim) to Pharaoh: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet. (1Ki 11:5) For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess (elohim) of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. Regarding the plural pronouns in Genesis 1:26, the pronouns are plural in the original Hebrew, requiring it to be translated, God said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Those who claim this verse teaches the Trinity doctrine point out that elohim is plural and the pronouns are plural; therefore, there must be a plurality in God. If we are to take this explanation we would have to translate it, Gods said, let us make man in our image, after our likeness. This translation would do injustice to the true meaning of elohim, and it would have several gods speaking in unison, saying, Let us make man in our image. What is the Bible saying to us? The Scripture says, God created all things by Jesus Christ (Ephesians3:9). It is obvious that the God in this verse is someone other than Jesus Christ. And according to Hebrews 1:2, God the Father created all things by his Son. Now we can know for a certainty who is speaking in Genesis 1:26 and to whom he is speaking. God the Father said to his Son, let us make man in our image. Remember, Christ is the express image of the Father, so anyone created in the Fathers image is automatically created in his Sons image.

-Commenting on Genesis 1:26, Ellen White wrote: After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, which was designed before the fall of Satan, to make man in their own image. They had wrought together in the creation of the earth and every living thing upon it. And now God says to his Son, Let us make man in our image (The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 1, pp. 24, 25).

Isaiah 9:6 Add comments Isaiah 9:6 says: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Some believe that this verse is teaching that Christ is God the Father. If this is so, how can he be the Son? And if he is both Father and Son, how can there be a trinity, for a trinity is composed of three. This verse certainly does not support a Trinity doctrine. And, as we compare Scripture with Scripture, we can be sure that neither does it support the Jesus only doctrine. It says a son is given. Jesus is referred to as the Father, not the Father of himself, but the Father of the children which his Father has given him. In Hebrews 2:13, Paul quoted from Isaiah 8:18 and applied it to Christ. Here Christ says, Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me. This is quoted also in Isaiah. Just before Isaiah 9:6 it talks about how Jesus shall be calledeverlasting father. Isa 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me So the father gave Jesus children. Jesus was a father in the same sense that Adam is a father. Father of the human race.

Notice in another quote from Isaiah that he talks about Eliakim having the government put on his shoulders and being called father. A type of the Messiah Jesus Christ. Isa 22:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will call my servant Eliakim the son of Hilkiah: Isa 22:21 And I will clothe him with thy robe, and strengthen him with thy girdle, and I will commit thy government into his hand: and he shall be a father to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and to the house of Judah. Isa 22:22 And the key of the house of David will I lay upon his shoulder; so he shall open, and none shall shut; and he shall shut, and none shall open. Jesus is not the father. And neither is Eliakim. When speaking about his father dwelling in him. Jesus in John 14 said I speak not of myself(John 14:10). Regarding the term everlasting, you will be everlasting to should you prevail. In Proverbs 8:22 the bible says he was setup from everlasting in Micah 5:2 it says his goings forth are from everlasting. The term goings forth can be translated origins. So in other words his origins are from everlasting. Youll see it translated that way in many translations. Many Trinitarians have said that the word everlasting in Isaiah 9:6 means that Christ always was and that he never had a beginning. However, when the term everlasting life is applied to us they all admit that it simply means that we will live forever in the future, not that we have always been in existence. his name shall be calledeverlasting.. Notice also that Isaiah 9:6 says that his name shall be called The mighty God. Some use this phrase to mean that Christ is the supreme God. This might be a good argument if the verse had referred to Christ as the Almighty God, and also if God had not said ye are gods(elohim)(Psalms 82:6, John 10:35) but it uses the term mighty God and it refers to the nature the son has by inheritance as the only begotten son, born in the express image of his father.(Heb 1:1-9) In the Bible we read of mighty men, but never of Almighty men. It is certainly appropriate to refer to the Son as mighty, for he is powerful as all power is given to him in heaven and earth.(Matt 28:18, Phi 2:8-10)It is also appropriate to refer to him as God when referring to what he was and his form and substance in which he had before he

was made flesh. However not in regards to who he is. Christ is the Son of God and our Lord. 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Therefore the terms everlasting Father and The mighty God can rightly apply to the Son.

Isaiah 44:6 Revelation 1:17 Add comments Isaiah 44:6 says: Thus saith the Lord the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Lord of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God. Revelation 1:17 says: And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last: Along this same line of thought concerning the oneness of God and Christ, some people have misunderstood Isaiah 44:6 and Revelation 1:17 where the Bible uses the term the first and the last. Jesus did not end his conversation at Revelation 1:7. In the next verse, he went on to say, I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore (v. 18). Jesus used the term again when he spoke to the church at Smyrna. He said, These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive(Revelation 2:8). Jesus said that he, the first and the last, was dead. If he was the one and only God, he could not have died, for the Bible says in1 Timothy 6:16 that God cannot die. Therefore, we must conclude that the person speaking in Isaiah 44:6 is someone other than Jesus Christ. There are other titles and names in the Bible that are shared by both the Father and the Son, and the title, the first and the last is one of these titles. Let us go back to Isaiah 44:6 and find out who is speaking. The speaker says, beside me there is no God, and in verse 8, he says, Is there a God beside me? yea, there is

no God; I know not any. This is very precise language to indicate that the speaker is alone. All of the pronouns are singular, indicating that only one person is speaking. Who is this one person? TheNew Testament clarifies this. In 1 Corinthians 8:4, Paul wrote, we know that there is none other God but one. And to make it abundantly clear who he was referring to when he spoke of the God beside which there is none other, Paul also wrote to us there is but one God, the Father (v. 6). Paul understood the one God of the Bible to be God the Father and no one else. Jesus had the same understanding. After Jesus quoted Deuteronomy 6:4, the scribe told him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he (Mark 12:32). Who is the one God the scribe was referring to? Was he referring to Jesus as the one God? Certainly not! He was referring to God the Father and Jesus knew it. At another time, while Jesus was talking to the scribes and Pharisees, he said, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God (John 8:54). Jesus knew that when the scribes and Pharisees said God, they were referring to his Father. When this scribe said, there is one God; and there is none other but he, Jesus knew that he was talking about his Father. Jesus did not correct the scribe by saying, You are wrong, I am really the one God of the Bible. Not at all! To the contrary, the Bible says that Jesus saw that he answered discreetly or wisely (Mark 12:34). Jesus knew that this man was correct, that there is one God, the Father, and there is none other God but him. Every time singular pronouns are used of God or Christ such as he, him, his, I, me, etc., they always refer to one person. Whenever a Bible writer wanted to speak of both the Father and Son, they always use plural pronouns like, them, they, us, we, our, etc. So far, I have not found any exceptions to this rule. When the scribe said, there is one God; and there is none other but he, the scribe was referring to only one person, God the Father. With this clarification from the New Testament, we can be completely sure who is speaking in Isaiah 44:6. He is God the Father and no one else. He is the ultimate first and last, even though he allowed his Son to carry this title as well.

Matthew 3:16, 17

Add comments These verses state: And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. Without adding human bias or wishful thinking, what may we discover from reading this passage? It is pretty clear that there is two persons present one is Jesus and the other is the owner of the voice which declares this is my beloved Son. Clearly, the speaker is God the Father. What is the identity of Jesus according to the passage? God, himself, identifies Jesus as my beloved Son, not as the second person of a coequal Trinity. This alone denies the assertion that we find a Trinity here. However, does this passage demonstrate the Holy Spirit to be a personal being apart, or separate, from the Father? Are there three persons present? While the Son is clearly a person and the Father is a person, what may we discover from the symbol used to represent the Holy Spirit? Here, the Spirit is represented as a dove. Never is the Holy Spirit represented by any symbol which indicates that it is a person. In the common sense, it is represented by oil, water, wind, fire, and in this verse as a dove. It really is stretching the imagination to suggest that here in this verse we see a third person. In actual fact, the passage declares that it is the Spirit of God! It is the Spirit which belongs to God. Here, as everywhere else in Scripture, the Holy Spirit is represented as belonging to someone, as being the property of God, rather than being an individual person with his own identity. Ellen White sheds light on this point. She says,

Never before had angels listened to such a prayer as Christ offered at his baptism, and they were solicitous to be the bearers of the message from the Father to his Son. But, no! direct from the Father issues the light of his glory. The heavens were opened, and beams of glory rested upon the Son of God and assumed the form of a dove, in appearance like burnished gold. The dove-like form was emblematical of the meekness and gentleness of Christ. While the people stood spell-bound with amazement, their eyes fastened upon Christ, from the opening heavens came these words: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased."(The Review and Herald, January 21, 1873).

Revelation 1:8 Add comments Revelation 1:8 states: I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. In many Bibles, the first part of this text is in red letters. This text is sometimes used to suggest that Jesus is called the Almighty, a term which is used several times in the book of Revelation but always with reference to the Father exclusively. The mistake in believing that this verse refers to Christ stems from faulty reading and carelessness on the part of some Bible publishers. In red-letter editions of the Bible, this verse is usually printed in red, (1) indicating that it is Christ who is speaking. This misleads many readers. The publishers, and many others, come to this conclusion because of reading verse 11 where Jesus states, I am alpha and omega, the first and the last. The terms used in this verse, alpha and omega and first and last, seem to correspond with the identical term, alpha and omega, and the similar term, beginning and the ending, in verse 8 and seem to indicate that it is Jesus who is speaking in verse 8. A closer examination of the passage, however, reveals that this is not so. Let us begin a little earlier in the passage, in verses 4 and 5, where a greeting is given from the Father, from the seven spirits, and from Jesus Christ. *We read:

John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne; And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood (Revelation 1:4, 5). Now notice that a definite description or designation is given to each of them. The one who sits on the throne is definitely described as him which is, and which was, and which is to come. The seven spirits are declared to be before his throne, and Jesus is described as the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead and the prince of the kings of the earth. There is nomistaking the Fathers description. He is the one which is, and which was, and which is to come. Nobody else is given that description. In fact, this description is in definite contrast to Jesus who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead. When we come upon the statement a few verses later, I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty, to whom should we legitimately apply it? Clearly, it refers, not to Jesus, but to the Father. He is the one who is and was, and is to come. The coloring, of course, is not in the original text but has been added by Bible publishers.

Romans 8:26 Add comments Romans 8:26 says: Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

This text is speaking of how the Holy Spirit assists, or helps, us when our hearts are heavy and we know not what to pray for as we ought. Sometimes we are so burdened and distressed that we cannot even speak a word. All we can do is sigh or groan. The Spiritis able to relate to that feeling and God understands. The Spirit itself maketh intercession for us. How could the Scriptures refer to the Spirit as it, if the Spirit is God? We are made in the image of God body and spirit. We could refer to our body or our spirit and it would be okay to refer to either of these by using the term it, but when there is a union of body and spirit, we are now dealing with a person and it would be inappropriate to refer to a person as it. The Scripture tells us that we have only one that mediates on our behalf, For there is one God, and one mediator (or intercessor) between God and men, the man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5). According to 1 Corinthians 8:6 and Ephesians 4:5, there is one Lord, who is Jesus Christ. Now let us look at another eye-opening verse. It is 2 Corinthians 3:17: Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. We see that Jesus is that Spirit that maketh intercession for us, but because he is in a non-bodily form, he can be referred to as it, and this is not inappropriate. Ellen White also noted: We have only one channel of approach to God. Our prayers can come to him through one name only,that of the Lord Jesus our advocate. His Spirit must inspire our petitions. No strange fire was to be used in the censers that were waved before God in the sanctuary. So the Lord himself must kindle in our hearts the burning desire, if our prayers are acceptable to him. The Holy Spirit within must make intercessions for us, with groanings that cannot be uttered (The Review and Herald, February 9, 1897)

Titus 2:13 Add comments Titus 2:13 says: Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ. The question is, should this verse be read to say, the appearing of the great God who is our Saviour Jesus Christ, or should it be read as saying, the appearing of the great God, as well as of our Saviour Jesus Christ? The Greek of this expression is ambiguous (Seventh-day Adventist Bible Commentary, vol. 7, p. 367). *ambiguous means open to two or more interpretations; or of uncertain nature or significance; or (often) intended to mislead* On the surface it would seem to be speaking of Jesus Christ only, since many believe when he returns the Father is not expected to return with him.(2)The verse would then suggest that Jesus is the great God referred to. *This would be puzzling, to say the least, especially in the writings of Paul, who regards Jesus as a divine Being but who consistently insists that there is but one God, the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6). The problem is solved when we realize that the Greek rendering suggests that the text is referring not so much to the appearing of either Christ or of God or even both of them, but rather to the appearing of the glory of them both. The literal translation of the Greek in the passage is, waiting for the blessed hope and manifestation of the glory of our great God and Saviour Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13 Youngs Literal Translation). Other translations of the Bible such as The Revised Standard Version, Modern King James Version, and The Bible in Basic English, have been faithful to the Greek text in recognizing that the appearing has reference to the glory of God rather than to God himself. This interpretation of the verse is in perfect harmony with the statement that Jesus made that when he returns it will be with his glory as well as with the glory of the Father. His exact words are:

For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of m words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Fathers, and of the holy angels (Luke 9:26). Once we understand this, the meaning of the text becomes clear and is in perfect harmony with the rest of Scripture.

Isaiah 48:11 Add comments If we read it in its context we will see that God was speaking to people. He will not take his glory (honor, copious, splendor) from his covenant people and give to another. If you read verse 10 it states: Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction. verse 11 For mine own sake, even for mine own sake will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another. He was not speaking of another god, but in context another people. This is logical for Jesus plainly tells us of where his glory comes from? John 17:22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 17:24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. So God the Father shares his glory with His Son.

John 20:28 Add comments Some have believed that Thomas is calling Jesus his God in this verse.

Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Is Jesus the God of Thomas? Lets look at some context and further verses. 11 verses earlier when speaking to Mary Magdelene he tells her who her God is. Jesus said: Joh 20:17 I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. His God was his father, and he is telling us that his God is also Marys God. Marys God was also his father. If Jesus was the God of Mary why would he not say so? Is Marys God a father, son and holy spirit? No. Jesus is telling her that her God is a father. And that her father is the God of Christ also. And Christ tells her that he is her brother. When we look at Christ we can see the father through Christ. Is Christ the father? Lets read this carefully. Joh 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Joh 14:11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works sake. Christ when speaking of the father says I speak not of myself. In other words I am not the father, the father is someone else. We can see the glory of the father in his only begotten son. But Christ is not the father, and also not God. Jesus when talking to his father refers to his father as the only true God. Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

In this verse again with a careful eye we see that God sent Christ and Christ is clearly not the only true God but someone entirely different from God. Lets go further. Lets see what Paul says about our Lord and our God: 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. This verse does not teach that we have One God the father, son and holy spirit. This verse talks about 2 beings. God our father and Jesus our Lord. Joh 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord(Jesus) and my God(your father and my father, your God and my God).(brackets added). Thomas is speaking to Christ and honoring the father and son in this verse. Christ is never identified as the eternal God except when he comes in Jehovahs name as the mediator of Jehovah. Joh 5:43 I am come in my Fathers name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. Many believe Christ is identified as God in John 20:28 and that Christ is also God and therefore came in his own name, received nothing from his father, but possessed it of himself as a co-eternal, co-equal and was not given all power and authority in heaven and earth but was actually the almighty one himself. Here are a few greetings from some of the apostles. Lets look at who is listed as God and Lord in these verses. And these are only some of them. Gal 1:3 Grace be to you and peace from God the Father, and from our Lord Jesus Christ, 1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 2Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. And I by no means am exhausting this topic. There is one God the father, and by beholding Christ we have seen the father.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Now some are saying that we should call Christ God. And I believe it is ok to refer to him as God when referring to his nature. The bible says he was in the form of God(Phi 2:5). He was fully God in respect to his nature and substance which he received by inheritance. This was something that the father gave to the son. But in regards to his identity he says we are his brethren(John 20:17). And that his God is a father and so in regards to the identity of Christ he is the son of God. Christ is not the son of himself, nor is he part of a co-eternal, co-equal trinity. Will we confess Jesus Christ is God? The bible doesnt teach that: Php 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Will you confess that Jesus is Lord or God? And the glory goes to God the father not God the trinity. This is the theme of the bible. And though this answer is not a simple 2 second yes or no to this verse I believe that God has a reason so that we might get to know him more closely and the controversy makes us dig to get the treasures of this truth about the father and son.

Micah 5:2 Origin in Eternity Add comments Firstborn of every creature (Col 1:15-16) Before creation. Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.

The words going forth actually means Origins and is translated in many bibles that way. So his origin was in eternity, from everlasting, just as Proverbs 8 says. The New American Bible: But you, Bethlehem-Ephrathah too small to be among the clans of Judah, From you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel; Whose origin is from of old, from ancient times. The New English Translation: As for you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, seemingly insignificant among the clans of Judah from you a king will emerge who will rule over Israel on my behalf, one whose origins are in the distant past. Also Youngs Literal: And thou, Beth-Lehem Ephratah, Little to be among the chiefs of Judah! From thee to Me he cometh forthto be ruler in Israel, And his comings forth are of old, From the days of antiquity. Gods Word: You, Bethlehem Ephrathah, are too small to be included among Judahs cities. Yet, from you Israels future ruler will come for me. His origins go back to the distant past, to days long ago. Yes, Christs origins were from the days of antiquity. He was setup from everlasting, brought forth of his father, begotten in the express image of God. Q] A doctrine is pervading in the church today that Christ became the begotten son when he took on humanity and not before that. Was he begotten before taking human nature? A complete offering has been made; for God so loved the world, that he gave his onlybegotten Son,not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is

the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Fathers person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, May 30, 1895) Compare this with the following: Before Christ came in the likeness of men, he existed in the express image of his Father. (Ellen White, Youths Instructor, December 20, 1900) The Eternal Father, the unchangeable one, gave his only begotten Son, tore from his bosom Him who was made in the express image of his person, and sent him down to earth to reveal how greatly he loved mankind. (Ellen White, Review and Herald, July 9, 1895, par. 13) Christ is the Son of God in deed and in truth and in love, and is the representative of the Father as well as the representative of the human race. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 14, page 83) As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it in these words, But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity. Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning (E. J. WaggonerChrist and His Righteousness, pp. 21, 22).

Hebrews 11:17 Only Begotten Son Add comments Hebrews 11:17 Only Begotten Son

Only begotten son of whom the promise was made. Hebrews 11:17-18 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son, (18) Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called: This verse is often used to deny that Christ was the literal born Son of God. The verse is used to say that only begotten is not to be taken literally since Abraham had begotten more sons than just Isaac. In fact Ishmael was his firstborn and therefore this shows that Abraham had more than one begotten son. But the fact is God didnt even acknowledge Ishmael when he was born. The verse in question is normally not read with verse 18. With verse 18 it reads only begotten son, of whom it was said There is more to this story. Paul clarifies in the book of Romans that the child is the only begotten son of whom the promise was made. Romans 9:7-10 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. (8) That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed. (9) For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son. This verse clarifies what is meant by the words in verse 18 of Hebrews 11. That Of whom it was said, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. He was the child of promise. And this is the child of faith.

Understanding that Isaac was the only begotten of whom the promise was made is important. But Id like to look at something a little deeper. Abraham made a few mistakes in his life. He thought that the fleshly seed Ishmael would be the child of promise, trying to fulfill the promise by his own works. He took another woman at his wifes command and then had a child outside of the marriage. But Abraham made another mistake trying to fulfill the promise before Ishmael. He had a servant named Eliezer. Genesis 15:2-3 And Abram said, Lord GOD, what wilt thou give me, seeing I go childless, and the steward of my house is this Eliezer of Damascus? (3) And Abram said, Behold, to me thou hast given no seed: and, lo, one born in my house is mine heir. Abraham wanted to make Eliezer his servant to be his son, and his heir. He wanted to spiritualize away the promise of God. But God answered him quickly as Isaac was to be a type of Christ, the Son of God: Genesis 15:4 And, behold, the word of the LORD came unto him, saying, This shall not be thine heir; but he that shall come forth out of thine own bowels shall be thine heir. In other words, Abraham was trying to spiritualize the literal father-son relationship by choosing Eliezer as his son and heir. But God said no. The son that was to fit as the promised seed had to proceed from the bowels of Abraham. It had to be a literal Father-Son relationship. This was a representation of God and Christ. Christ in discussing the issue of who the children of God had taken issue with the Pharisees who had said we have one Father, even God. There is no denying that God has children by adoption, however the bible teaches that Christ is not a son by adoption, neither is he a son by creation, but he is a son begotten of the Father. The firstborn of every creature, For by him were all things created(Col 1:15, 16) And here is the reply to the Pharisees. Joh 8:42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. The words describe his origin and his relationship to the Father. In other words, thats my literal dad that you call your father, I came forth from him, from his own bowels. In Micah 5:2 we read Whose goings forth are from of old, from everlasting. The Hebrew

word in that text for goings forth is origin. His origin or beginning is from everlasting or eternity. In the same sense in Proverbs 8:23-25 he was setup from everlastingbrought forth. The old English for begotten is brought forth. Also termed Goings forth as well as proceeded forth. All these texts say the same thing. Further in John we find another account where someone tries to spiritualize away the literal relationship of the Father and Son. Jesus says: John 16:28 I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father. And this was something that took the apostles a while to believe, however, they realized this wasnt a proverb, or a metaphor, or a spiritualistic father-son relationship, but he literally came forth from the Father. John 16:29-30 His disciples said unto him, Lo, now speakest thou plainly, and speakest no proverb. (30) Now are we sure that thou knowest all things, and needest not that any man should ask thee: by this we believe that thou camest forth from God. Hes not speaking in proverbs or metaphors. What does it mean to be the only begotten son? Is it a metaphor as many today teach, or did God really give a son to the world. If we believe this to be a metaphor, we are making God a liar. 1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. But the fact is God cannot lie, he really did give His son. And this is eternal life to believe it.(John 3:16) 1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

The begetter is the Father, the begotten is the Son. And to deny this is to deny the love that was shared between the Father and Son before the world was. Entire churches are built on denying this truth: The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the Catholic Faith. Upon it are based all the other teachings of the church Handbook for Todays Catholic, p. 11. That is the foundation of Babylon. 1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. The foundation of the church of Christ is as follows: Matthew 16:15-18 He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? (16) And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. (17) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. (18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. This is what the church is built on. According to Paul the church is called the church of the firstborn not the church of the co-eternals. Hebrews 12:22-23 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, (23) To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,

Heavenly Trio Quote in its Context This is not teaching a Trinity Add comments These quotes were written in regards to the book Living Temple by John Harvey Kellogg. Kellogg had misunderstood Ms. Whites words and started teaching the Trinity.

Ms. White tells him God is a father, not a trinity. Read this heavenly trio quote in its context. I am instructed to say, The sentiments of those who are searching for advanced scientific ideas are not to be trusted. Such representations as the following are made: The Father is as the light invisible; the Son is as the light embodied; the Spirit is the light shed abroad. The Father is like the dew, invisible vapor; the Son is like the dew gathered in beauteous form; the Spirit is like the dew fallen to the seat of life. Another representation: The Father is like the invisible vapor; the Son is like the leaden cloud; the Spirit is rain fallen and working in refreshing power. All these spiritualistic representations are simply nothingness. They are imperfect, untrue. They weaken and diminish the Majesty which no earthly likeness can be compared to. God can not be compared with the things His hands have made. These are mere earthly things, suffering under the curse of God because of the sins of man. The Father can not be described by the things of earth. The Father is all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. The Son is all the fulness of the Godhead manifested. The Word of God declares Him to be the express image of His person. God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Here is shown the personality of the Father. The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fulness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powersthe Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ. . . . {SpTB07 62-63} Now read it again with the Trinitarian view added Is this Heavenly trio quote really Trinitarian? Brackets added. All these spiritualistic representations are simply nothingness. They are imperfect, untrue. They weaken and diminish the Majesty which no earthly likeness can be compared to. God(The father, son, and holy spirit) can not be compared with the things His(The father, son, and holy spirits) hands have made. These are mere earthly things, suffering under the curse of God (The father, son, and holy spirit) because of the sins of man. The Father (Hmm, I thought he was a trinity) can not be described by the things of

earth. The Father (Hmm, I thought he was a trinity) is all the fulness of the Godhead(The father, son, and holy spirit) bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. The Son is all the fulness of the Godhead(The father, son, and holy spirit) manifested. The Word of God(The father, son, and holy spirit) declares Him to be the express image of His(The father, son, and holy spirits) person. God(The father, son, and holy spirit) so loved the world, that He (The father, son, and holy spirit) gave His(The father, son, and holy spirits) only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Here is shown the personality of the Father(Hmm, I thought he was a trinity). The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fulness of the Godhead(The father, son, and holy spirit), making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powersthe Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit those who receive Christ(the comforter) by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ. . . .{SpTB07 62-63} I have searched Ms. Whites writings and the scriptures and have yet to find a single instance where the title God is used to refer to the father, son and holy spirit. My faith comes by the word of God, and God expects to believe nothing outside of that word. Therefore I cannot believe in the holy trinity. It destroys the personality of our God and his son Jesus Christ as quoted from Ms. White. It destroys the love of the father and everything he gave to his son, and to us. It makes him an actor, pretender, liar, hypocrite and selfish since he really gave nothing to his son, and hes not even really a father if the trinity is real, so he didnt even give a son. 1Jn 1:3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Three Holiest Beings Three Great Worthies Add comments In the name of whom were you baptized? You went down into the water in the name of the three great Worthies in heaventhe Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. In the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost you were buried with Christ in baptism; You are born unto God, and you stand under the sanction and the power of the three holiest Beings in heaven, who are able to keep you from falling(Sermons and Talks, vol. 1, p. 367). Three great worthies/Three Holiest Beings quote from the Oakland sermon. The White Estate tells us that this statement comes from an edited stenographers report of a sermon preached by Ellen White at the Congregational Church of Oakland, California, on Sabbath afternoon, October 20, 1906. It is reprinted in Manuscript Releases, vol. 7. See More There are some important points we wish to make for consideration. Firstly, this statement must be considered in the light of the weight of evidence. As we have seen earlier, Ellen White consistently spoke of only two divine beings. Secondly, this is from a stenographers report that was edited seventyseven years after she first delivered the address without her having had a chance to edit or correct words or phrases that might not have exactly represented her thoughts. Thirdly, anyone who has ever done public speaking knows that it is easy to misspeak a word or phrase that could have been said more clearly in another way. Fourthly, Ellen White wrote: And now to all who have a desire for truth I would say: Do not give credence to unauthenticated reports as to what Sister White has done or said or written. If you desire to know what the Lord has revealed through her, read her published works (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 5, p. 696). With 1000s of pages of writings and never once using the term God to refer to three persons or beings we should be careful not to base our doctrine on one quote.. I understand that the third person of the Godhead is the Holy Spirit which is Christ

divested(stripped) of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He is the comforter and there is no comforter like Christ. Let the brightest example the world has yet seen be your example, rather than the greatest and most learned men of the age, who know not God, nor Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted. (Ellen White, The Youths Instructor, July 7, 1898)

n Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived Add comments In Christ is life, original, unborrowed, underived. {Ellen White The Desire of Ages, p. 530} What light is shed on this passage when we read it in context? In an article written a year before The Desire of Ages Sister White wrote In him was life; and the life was the light of men (John 1:4). It is not physical life that is here specified, but immortality, the life which is exclusively the property of God. The Word, who was with God, and who was God, had this life. Physical life is something which each individual receives. It is not eternal or immortal; for God, the Life-giver, takes it again. Man has no control over his life. But the life of Christ was unborrowed. No one can take this life from Him. I lay it down of myself (John 10: 18), He said. In Him was life, original, unborrowed, underived. This life is not inherent in man. He can possess it only through Christ. He cannot earn it; it is given him as a free gift if he will believe in Christ as His personal Saviour. This is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent (John 17:3). This is the open fountain of life for the world. {The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1897 quoted in Selected Messages Book 1, pp. 296, 297} (Note: Original, unborrowed underived life can be GIVEN) How many things did Christ receive from His Father? All things Christ received from God, but He took to give. {The Desire of Ages, p. 21} Does that include life as well? Does the Fathers life flow through His Son?

So in the heavenly courts, in His ministry for all created beings: through the beloved Son, the Fathers life flows out to all; through the Son it returns, in praise and joyous service, a tide of love, to the great Source of all. And thus throughChrist the circuit of beneficence is complete, representing the character of the great Giver, the law of life. {The Desire of Ages, p. 21} (Note: The Fathers original, unborrowed, underived life is in His Son. See John 5:26) Whose life are we given? All believers who pass through a natural death, have, through eating the flesh and drinking the blood of the Son of God, eternal life in them, which is the life of Jesus Christ. In dying, Jesus has made it impossible for those who believe on Him to die eternally. {E. G. White, S.D.A. Bible Commentary Vol. 7, p. 926} 1898 He suffered the death which was ours, that we might receive the life which was His. {The Desire of Ages, p. 25} Christ became one flesh with us, in order that we might become one spirit with Him. It is by virtue of this union that we are to come forth from the grave,not merely as a manifestation of the power of Christ, but because, through faith, His life has become ours. Those who see Christ in His true character, and receive Him into the heart, have everlasting life. It is through the Spirit that Christ dwells in us; and the Spirit of God, received into the heart by faith, is the beginning of the life eternal. {The Desire of Ages, p. 388} To the believer, Christ is the resurrection and the life. In our Saviour the life that was lost through sin is restored; for He has life in Himself to quicken whom He will. He is invested with the right to give immortality. The life that He laid down in humanity, He takes up again, and gives to humanity. {The Desire of Ages, p 786, 787} Is the Holy Spirit a third individual being different to the Father and Son? The impartation of the Spirit is the impartation of the life of Christ. {The Desire of Ages, p. 805} Is the life of Christ a different individual being to Christ? Christ gives them the breath of His own spirit, the life of His own life. The Holy Spirit puts forth its highest energies to work in heart and mind. {The Desire of Ages, p. 827} The only way in which we can gain a more perfect apprehension of truth is by keeping the heart tender and subdued by the Spirit of Christ. {The Desire of Ages, p. 494} Abiding in Christ means a constant receiving of His Spirit, a life of unreserved surrender to His service. {The Desire of Ages, p. 676} Before the disciples could fulfill their official duties in connection with the church, Christ breathed His Spirit upon them. {The Desire of Ages, p. 805}

Through all our trials we have a never-failing Helper. He does not leave us alone to struggle with temptation, to battlewith evil, and be finally crushed with burdens and sorrow. Though now He is hidden from mortal sight, the ear of faithcan hear His voice saying, Fear not; I am with you. {The Desire of Ages, p. 483}

God is a person- not three persons as much as the Holy spirit is a person Spirit of Prophecy, Truth About God Add comments Personality of the Holy Spirit Holy Spirit a Person? Quote Personality of the Holy Spirit.We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.Manuscript 66, 1899. {Ellen White Evangelism 616} This quote says God is a person. This seems to be non-trinitarian as well. Since Trinitarians teach that God is three persons. However, let me go further. Lets say Paul is a person as much as his spirit is a person. Would we then say Pauls spirit was someone separate and distinct from Paul? This is the same with our father in heaven. He is spirit the bible says. John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. These verses talk about our father who is spirit, and we are to worship him in spirit and in truth. Many think that our God is a mystery which they call a Trinity. The words of Jesus Ye know not what ye worship would apply if our God is a mystery. When we get to heaven, God will not then say Meet my spirit. We will see God face to face, and we will know him. The father of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, The spirit is as much a person as God is a person. For more See:

Is there a difference between the Godhead and The Trinity and Ellen Whites use of the terms? Pioneers, Spirit of Prophecy, Truth About God Add comments This article is generally written for Seventh Day Adventists in regards to the use of certain terms in the bible that were penned by Ellen G. White and what she understood these terms to mean. 1. Is there a difference between the belief in the Godhead vs. the Trinity? A) Many today are using the term godhead to mean God. Some have tried to replace the term trinity with godhead. But the truth is: God has a Godhead. The Godhead is a characteristic of God. Notice in the following verse that his Godhead is clearly seen in the things made. Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Now if the term Godhead is the new replacement word for Trinity or three in one God than the verse is saying Gods three in one God is clearly seen in the things

made or Gods trinity is clearly seen in the things made. Concludingly Godhead does not mean a three in one God. Id like to propose to you that the term Godhead actually means divinity or divine nature. Here is Ellen White wrote once. She quotes this same verse Romans 1:20. But notice that the word Godhead is translated divinity. She quotes it from the American Standard Version. The invisible things of Him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even His everlasting power and divinity. Romans 1:20, A.R.V.(Ellen White Ministry of Healing 410). So the term Godhead refers to a characteristic of God himself. God is the father if we read the context. He is not a three in one God. Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. So if we read that carefully we see that God the father has a Godhead which is his divinity. His divine nature was given to His Son. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; All things proceed from God and are given to Christ. Now most Trinitarians today have renamed the Trinity and now call it the Godhead. Its like calling a cat a dog. Its still a cat. But in order to escape comparison to Rome they misuse the term godhead. But as you can see godhead means divinity and not trinity. Gods divinity is clearly seen in the things made, not Gods trinity. For further material on this topic, see attached links. 2Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

There Never Was A Time Add comments Part 2. Putting The Pieces Together article. Christ is the pre-existent, self-existent Son of God. In speaking of his pre-existence, Christ carries the mind back through dateless ages. He assures us that there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God. He to whose voice the Jews were then listening had been with God as one brought up with Him.Signs of the Times, Aug. 29, 1900. {Evangelism, p. 615} Christ was the Son of God in His pre-existence (i.e. He did not become the Son of God in Bethlehem). Ever since the birth of Christ in heaven (back in the dateless ages) He has been in close fellowship with His divine Father. Christ is the pre-existent Son of God, meaning that He was a Son in His pre-existence. We know that this Son-ship is a real and literal one based on birth (brought forth). It is after clarifying this fact, that Christ is the Son of God in His pre-existence, she then says there never was a time when He was not in fellowship with the eternal God. The meaning should be clear to all. Ever since Christ was begotten of the Father He has ever been in close fellowship with Him. This is what the statement says.This statement is used by some to teach that Christ was never begotten of His Father in heaven. Is this the meaning that Sister White had in mind when writing it? Does this statement teach us that Christ was never begotten of the Father? Does this statement tell us that Christ is not the real and literal Son of God? On the contrary, we are assured Christ is indeed the pre-existent, self-existent Son of God. He was a Son in His pre-existence. Far from denying the fact that Christ is the only begotten of the Father, this passage actually proves the very truth of the divine son-ship of our Master. That Christ isthe pre-existent Son of God. He was the Son of God before Bethlehem. Let us again use the unfailing key The testimonies themselves will be the k ey that will explain the messages given, as scripture is explained by scripture.

Christ was the Son of God; He had been one with Him before the angels were called into existence. He had ever stood at the right hand of the Father {E. G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 38} Christ, ever since His birth before all things (Proverbs 8:22-30), has always been in close fellowship with His Father, the eternal God. He had ever stood at the right hand of the Father. He is equal to His Father in divine attributes for He has them by inheritance (Hebrews1:4). Notice how she said that Christ carries the mind back through the dateless ages. We cannot put a date on Christs birth in heaven. It is beyond our comprehension. We cannot compute His pre-existence by our human figures. Notice: Angels of God looked with amazement upon Christ, who took upon Himself the form of man and humbly united His divinity with humanity in order that He might minister to fallen man. It is a marvel among the heavenly angels. God has told us that He did do it, and we are to accept the Word of God just as it reads. And although we may try to reason in regard to our Creator, how long He has had existence, where evil first entered into our world, and all these things, we may reason about them until we fall down faint and exhausted with the research when there is yet an infinity beyond. {E. G. White, S.D.A. Bible Commentary Vol. 7, p. 919} Here Christ shows them that, although they might reckon His life to be less than fifty years, yet His divine life could not be reckoned by human computation. The existence of Christ before His incarnation is not measured by figures. {E. G. White, Signs of the Times, May 3, 1899 par. 4} And what about that expression where she says there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the eternal God.? Does this mean that there never was a time when He was begotten? Certainly not! This statement is clear in that ever since Christ was begotten of the Father, there never was a time when He was not with the Father for He was daily His delight (see Proverbs 8:30 which she quotes). Let us see what the statement really means by doing some replacement of names and see how the meaning holds. Let us apply the statement to the angel Gabriel (a created angel that we have no idea how long ago he was created). It will read something like this: Gabriel is an angel of Godin speaking of His existence; Gabriel carries the mind back through the dateless ages. Gabriel assures us that there never was a time when He was not in close fellowship with the Son of God.

Would anyone take this statement to mean that Gabriel was not created? Of course not. We all understand that it will mean this: ever since Gabriel was created he has always been in close fellowship with Christ. This is true, as far as we can tell. Here is another example: Eve assures us that there never was a time when she was not in close fellowship with Adam. Would this statement mean that Eve and Adam are the same age? No, for we know that Adam was first. Yet it is still correct to say the above statement, for the meaning is clear. We know that since she was created she has been in close fellowship with Adam (till she walked to that tree). On the other hand, Adam would not be able to assure us that there never was a time when he was not in close fellowship with Eve for he was created before her, and indeed there was a time when he was not with her. The point is this: the statement is saying the same thing about Christ. Christ (not the Father) assures us of this fact. Since His birth He has ever been in close fellowship with His Father. Had the Father been the one who said there never was a time when Christ was not with me it would have been a different story. But this is not the case. Christ is the speaker and He gives us the assurance. Furthermore, He is self existent like His Father for this is what He inherited. He was given that self-existent life, as He has told us: For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself John 5:26 God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. {E. G. White, Testimonies Volume 8, p. 268} The fact that Christ is the Son of God (being begotten of Him) is the key to understanding Christs exalted and equal position with the Father. He is so because this is how He was begotten; possessing all these divine attributes. Christ was the Son of God; He had been one with Him before the angels were called into existence. He had ever stood at the right hand of the Father; His supremacy, so full of blessing to all who came under its benignant control, had not heretofore been questioned. The harmony of heaven had never been interrupted; wherefore should there now be discord? {E. G. White, Patriarchs and Prophets, pp. 38, 39}

Yes, wherefore should now be discord still?

As Much A Person Add comments Content 5. As Much A Person Putting The Pieces Together article. We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.Manuscript 66, 1899. (From a talk to the students at the Avondale School.){Evangelism, p. 616} This statement is talking about the Lord Jesus (when it is read in its original context). The statement appearing in Evangelism is edited to suit the bias of the compilers. This is a classic example of misquotation. We were warned very plainly not to do this with the Spirit of Prophecy: There are many who interpret that which I write in the light of their own preconceived opinions. You know what this means. A division in understanding and diverse opinions is the sure result. {E. G. White, Selected Messages Book 3, p. 79} There are some, who upon accepting erroneous theories, strive to establish them by collecting from my writings statements of truth, which they use, separated from their proper connection and perverted by association with error. Thus seeds of heresy, springing up and growing rapidly into strong plants, are surrounded by many precious plants of truth, and in this way a mighty effort is made to vindicate the genuineness of the spurious plants. {E. G. White, This Day With God, p. 126} Now let us look at that statement in its full context (which is hidden from the reader of Evangelism). The Lord says this because He knows it is for our good. He would build a wall around us, to keep us from transgression, so that His blessing and love may be bestowed on us in rich measure. This is the reason we have established a school here. The Lord instructed us that this was the place in which we should locate, and we have had every reason to think that we are in the right place. We have been brought together as a school, and we need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds, unseen by human eyes; that the Lord God is our Keeper and Helper. He hears every word we utter and knows every

thought of the mind.{E. G. White, Sermons and Talks Volume Two, pp. 136, 137} {Also appearing in Manuscript Releases Vol. 7, p. 299} As can be plainly seen, the statement appearing in Evangelism was doctored (altered) by the editors to suit their own thinking. In 1946 the editors and compilers of Evangelism (compiled by LeRoy E. Froom and friends) selected a number of E. G. White statements on the Godhead (about 6-8) which seemed to imply that she was teaching the trinity doctrine. Remember, the book Evangelism by Ellen White is a compilation with subheadings she did not supply. They are supplied by Froom and friends, such as the use of the word Trinity. She never used the word in all her writings. It was LeRoy Froom who supplied the word trinity in the subheadings of the book Evangelism, as well as the carefully selected (and edited) quotes by Ellen White on the Godhead. Yet the prophet has not failed to warn us of such attempts either. There will be those once united with us in the faith who will search for new, strange doctrines, for something odd and sensational to present to the people. They will bring in all conceivable fallacies,and will present them as coming from Mrs. White, that they may beguile souls. {E. G. White,Selected Messages Book 1, p. 41} Who has a right to meddle with the words of the inspired Messenger? Why should the editors ofEvangelism feel a need to place a full stop where the prophet places a comma and continues her explanation? Why should they thus cut up this sentence? Anyone reading the whole paragraph should know the answer. The Lord says this because He knows it is for our good. He would build a wall around us, to keep us from transgression, so that His blessing and love may be bestowed on us in rich measure. This is the reason we have established a school here. The Lord instructed us that this was the place in which we should locate, and we have had every reason to think that we are in the right place. We have been brought together as a school, and we need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds, unseen by human eyes; that the Lord God is our Keeper and Helper. He hears every word we utter and knows every thought of the mind.{E. G. White, Sermons and Talks Volume Two, pp. 136, 137} {Also appearing in Manuscript Releases Vol. 7, p. 299} Let us now examine the statement carefully in its full context. Mrs. White is not talking of more than one individual, for she is using the singular pronoun he all through. If she were talking of more than one she would have used they rather than he. Therefore, she is talking only of one person; The Lord. It is The Lord who is our keeper, not

someone else. The Lord is the one who hears every word. It is the Lord who is unseen by human eyes. And even though He is there by His Holy Spirit yet He is as much a real person as if He were here physically! This is the meaning of that statement. His personal presence is His person, which is as much a person as He is a person. Now let us compare the Spirit of Prophecy (the key) here a little and there a little: It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing; the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Christ is not here referring to his doctrine, but to his person, the divinity of his character. {E. G. White, Review and Herald, April 5, 1906 par. 12} How plain! When Christ speaks of the Spirit He is referring to his person (not to a different person other than Himself). This is why it is as much a person as God is a person, for it is His very own person! Christ walks unseen through our streets. With messages of mercy He comes to our homes. With all who are seeking to minister in His name, He waits to co-operate. He is in the midst of us, to heal and to bless, if we will receive Him. {E. G. White, The Ministry of Healing, p. 107} Remember that Jesus is beside you wherever you go, noting your actions and listening to your words. Would you be ashamed to hear his voice speaking to you, and to know that he hears your conversation? {E. G. White, The Youths Instructor, February 4, 1897 par. 3} Who walks unseen in our streets? Who is it that listens to our words and hears our conversation? Why, it is Jesus who is beside us. But, how is He beside us? That Christ should manifest Himself to them, and yet be invisible to the world, was a mystery to the disciples. They could not understand the words of Christ in their spiritual sense. They were thinking of the outward, visible manifestation. They could not take in the fact that they could have the presence of Christ with them, and yet He be unseen by the world. They did not understand the meaning of a spiritual manifestation. {E. G. White, The Southern Work, September 13, 1898 par. 2} By the Spirit the Father and the Son will come and make their abode with you. {E. G. White, Bible Echo and Signs of the Times, January 15, 1893 par. 8} The Lord Jesus standing by the side of the canvasser, walking with them, is the chief worker. If we recognize Christ as the One who is with us to prepare the way, the Holy Spirit by our side will make impressions in just the lines needed. {E. G. White, Colporteur Ministry, p. 107}

Therefore, we rightly conclude that the Holy Spirit is the unseen personal presence of the Father and the Son. The Holy Spirit is the unseen person of Christ.

Putting the pieces together Holy Spirit is a person Add comments Content 6. Holy Spirit is a person Putting The Pieces Together article. The Holy Spirit is a person, for He beareth witness with our spirits that we are the children of God. When this witness is borne, it carries with it its own evidence. At such times we believe and are sure that we are the children of God. . . . The Holy Spirit has a personality, else He could not bear witness to our spirits and with our spirits that we are the children of God. He must also be a divine person, else He could not search out the secrets which lie hidden in the mind of God. For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. {Evangelism, pp. 616, 617} The quoted verse (1 Corinthians 2:11) is the key to understanding the statement. According to Paul man and his spirit is comparable to God and His Spirit. Just as mans spirit is not a different person to man, even so Gods Holy Spirit is not a different person to God. Just as mans spirit is his very own person, even so Gods Spirit is His very own person. When we use the Testimonies as the key, we will discover some very important basic principles. The greatness of God is to us incomprehensible. The Lords throne is in heaven (Psalm 11:4); yet by His Spirit He is everywhere present. He has an intimate knowledge of, and a personal interest in, all the works of His hand. {E. G. White, Education, p. 132} In giving us His Spirit, God gives us Himself, making Himself a fountain of divine influences, to give health and life to the world. {E. G. White, Testimonies Volume 7, p. 273} If we keep the above principles in mind things will be much easier to understand. The Spirit has a personality because God has a personality. In giving us His Spirit, God is giving us Himself, not someone else. When God gives us Himself (in Spirit) it is not

devoid of personality. It is not just some impersonal force or essence. No, it is very personal and intimate. It is Gods own person, having Gods very own personality. The same goes for the fact that the Spirit is a divine person. This is because God is a divine person. You see, God is a spirit, and yet a person. God is a Spirit; yet He is a personal Being; for so He has revealed Himself: {E. G. White, The Ministry of Healing, p. 413} The Holy Spirit is a person because God is a person, and the Holy Spirit is the person of God. It is also the person of Christ. It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing; the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. Christ is not here referring to his doctrine, but to his person, the divinity of his character. {E. G. White, Review and Herald, April 5, 1906 par. 12} Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. {E. G. White, Manuscript Releases Vol.14, p. 23}

Putting the pieces together Third Person of the Godhead Add comments Content 7. Third Person of the Godhead Putting The Pieces Together article. The prince of the power of evil can only be held in check by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit.Special Testimonies, Series A, No. 10, p. 37. (1897) {Evangelism, p. 617} The third person of the Godhead does not mean a third person in the Godhead. The third person of the

Godhead was understood by Ellen White to be none other than the glorified life of Christ (His very own life), not another individual being different to Christ and the Father. Only this life of Christ can give us victory over sin (no one else in the universe can do it). This she calls the third person of the Godhead. When we follow the divine instruction and make use of the key for the Testimonies many misunderstandings will be resolved. The expression third person of the Godhead is today explained by many to mean a third individual god-being equal to the Father and Son. Let us allow the prophet (rather than anyone else) to explain to us what she meant by that expression. This is the safest thing to do if we truly desire to know the truth. Who is the Holy Spirit, the third person of the Godhead? Christ tells us that the Holy Spirit is the Comforter, and the Comforter is the Holy Ghost, the Spirit of truth, which the Father shall send in My name. This refers to the omnipresence of the Spirit of Christ, called the Comforter. {E. G. White, Manuscript Releases Vol.14, p. 179} Now let us read a similar statement with more context around it: The Spirit was given as a regenerating agency, and without this the sacrifice of Christ would have been of no avail. The power of evil had been strengthening for centuries, and the submission of man to this satanic captivity was amazing. Sin could be resisted and overcome only through the mighty agency of the third person of the Godhead, who would come with no modified energy, but in the fulness of divine power. It is the Spirit that makes effectual what has been wrought out by the worlds Redeemer. It is by the Spirit that the heart is made pure. Through the Spirit the believer becomes a partaker of the divine nature. Christ has given his Spirit as a divine power to overcome all hereditary and cultivated tendencies to evil, and to impress his own character upon the church.{E. G. White, Review and Herald, May 19, 1904 par. 3} Christs spirit is a divine power. It is His own character (His own life) not a different person to Him. What is the only power that can break the hold of evil from our hearts? Our condition through sin has become preternatural, and the power that restores us must be supernatural, else it has no value. There is but one power that can break the hold of evil from the hearts of men, and that is the power of God in Jesus Christ. {E. G. White, Testimonies Volume 8, p. 291} The divine Spirit that the worlds Redeemer promised to send is the presence and power of God. {E. G. White, Signs of the Times, November 23, 1891}

Therefore, the power of God, which is in Christ, is present in the third person. It is Christ and His power in the third person of the Godhead. It is not another person in the Godhead, no, it is the third person of (not in) the Godhead. There must be a power working from within, a new life from above, before men can be changed from sin to holiness. That power is Christ. His grace alone can quicken the lifeless faculties of the soul, and attract it to God, to holiness. {E. G. White, Steps to Christ, p. 18} Christ declared that after his ascension, he would send to his church, as his crowning gift, the Comforter, who was to take his place. This Comforter is the Holy Spirit,the soul of his life, the efficacy of his church, the light and life of the world. With his Spirit Christ sends a reconciling influence and a power that takes away sin. {E. G. White, Review and Herald, May 19, 1904 par. 1} Notice now how clearly she says that the life of Christ is what helps us resist temptation. The life of Christ is His spirit (not someone else!). This is the Comforter, this is the Holy Spirit, and this is what is called the third person of the Godhead. The only defense against evil is the indwelling of Christ in the heart through faith in His righteousness. {E. G. White, The Desire of Ages, p. 324} Not until the life of Christ becomes a vitalizing power in our lives can we resist the temptations that assail us from within and from without. {E. G. White, The Ministry of Healing, p. 130} This life of Christ is a holy, spotless, blameless life. Since life is the spirit (John 6:63), therefore this holy life of Christ is His Holy Spirit! Christ is the source of every right impulse. He is the only one who can arouse in the natural heart enmity against sin. He is the source of our power if we would be saved. No soul can repent without the grace of Christ. The sinner may pray that he may know how to repent. God reveals Christ to the sinner, and when he sees the purity of the Son of God, he is not ignorant of the character of sin. By faith in the work and power of Christ, enmity against sin and Satan is created in his heart. {E. G. White, Review and Herald, April 1, 1890 par. 5} The Holy Spirit, which proceeds from the only begotten Son of God, binds the human agent, body, soul, and spirit, to the perfect, divine-human nature of Christ. {E. G. White, Review and Herald, April 5, 1906 par. 16} From the Bible we should have known this fact already from (Acts 3:26). Therefore, if the power of evil can be held in check only by the power of God in the third person of the Godhead, the Holy Spirit, and it is Jesus who turns away every one of us

from his iniquities (evil), then it is an obvious conclusion that Jesus aids us in this battle by giving us his very own holy life, his very own Holy Spirit (not another being different to Him). This Holy life of Christ is termed the third person of the Godhead.

Three Highest Powers Add comments Content 8: Three Highest Powers Putting The Pieces Together article. We are to co-operate with the three highest powers in heaven, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, and these powers will work through us, making us workers together with God.Special Testimonies, Series B, No. 7, p. 51. (1905) {Evangelism, p. 617} The three highest powers in heaven are not here defined but merely listed. There is no question that there are three powers in heaven (Father, Son and the Holy Ghost), but this statement tells us nothing more than that. Does this statement tell us what the relationship between these three powers is? To use this statement to prove a trinity of 3 co-equal, co-eternal beings would be poor scholarly work. The three great powers can be correctly understood in light of what Ellen White means. She clearly understood and taught that there is a Father, and a Son and a Holy Spirit. That makes three. But it is the relation of those three that is further clarified in other places (see answer on p.13). For example, it is clearly stated that God is the Father of Christ: God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. {E. G. White, Testimonies Volume 8, p. 268} Elsewhere she explains the relation with the Spirit, it being the spirit of Christ: Let them be thankful to God for His manifold mercies and be kind to one another. They have one God and one Saviour; and one Spiritthe Spirit of Christis to bring unity into their ranks. {E. G. White, Testimonies Volume 9, p. 189} She tells us clearly the spirit of Christ is the soul of His life. It is the very life of His own life.

Christ declared that after his ascension, he would send to his church, as his crowning gift, the Comforter, who was to take his place. This Comforter is the Holy Spirit,the soul of his life, the efficacy of his church, the light and life of the world. With his Spirit Christ sends a reconciling influence and a power that takes away sin. {E. G. White, Review and Herald, May 19, 1904 par. 1} Christ gives them the breath of His own spirit, the life of His own life. The Holy Spirit puts forth its highest energies to work in heart and mind. {E. G. White, The Desire of Ages, p. 827} The breath of Christ is His spirit and life (John 20:22). It is in no way talking about another individual being. This is the correct and consistent understanding of the three highest powers in heaven. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The Three Great Powers Add comments Lets look at this carefully, then answer my questions. I believe we are to co-operate with the three great powers however only one of those three entities is the eternal God. Read carefully then answer the question below. It is the fulfillment of the covenant that God has made with those who bind themselves up with Him, to stand with Him, with His Son, and with His Spirit in holy fellowship. Have you been born again? Have you become a new being in Christ Jesus? Then co-operate with the three great powers of heaven who are working in your behalf. Doing this you will reveal to the world the principles of righteousness. Signs of the Times, June 19, 1901 par. 4 It says GOD binds us to him by his SON. Who does the title God refer to? Multiple Choice:

A) God the father binds us to himself by his son. B) God the father, and the son and Holy Spirit binds us to himself by his son. Well, the answer is clear for all to see, however someone did answer this: IT SHOULD BE :God the father, Son and the Holy Spirit binds us to themselves So I did add the words The father, Son and the Holy Spirit) into this passage to see how it would sound. It is the fulfillment of the covenant that God(The Father, Son and Holy Spirit) has made with those who bind themselves up with Him(the Father, Son and Holy Spirit), to stand with Him, with His(the Father, Son and Holy Spirits) Son, and with His(the Father, Son and Holy Spirits) Spirit in holy fellowship. Have you been born again? Have you become a new being in Christ Jesus? Then co-operate with the three great powers of heaven who are working in your behalf. Doing this you will reveal to the world the principles of righteousness. -Signs of the Times, June 19, 1901 par. 4 I think we can see that answer B is clearly incorrect. 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Let the brightest example the world has yet seen be your example, rather than the greatest and most learned men of the age, who know not God, nor Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted. (Ellen White, The Youths Instructor, July 7, 1898)

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The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave Themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. In order fully to carry out this plan, it was decided that Christ, the only- begotten Son of God, should give Himself an offering for sin. -Counsels on Health 1923- p 222 Divinity was stirred with pity for the human race. God Christ and his Spirit gave themselves. Then it identifies Christ as the only- begotten Son of God. So lets ask a question: Christ is: 1. The only-begotten son of God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit 2. The only-begotten son of God the Father Please note that this quote teaches us that God is not Christ and Christ is not God in respect to personality. The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality. (Ellen White UL 367 ) Christ is one with the father, but Christ and God are two distinct personages(RH June 1, 1905) Christ is not God, God is not Christ in personality. The quote plainly states it. The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each.[Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted.] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268) God is not Christ in personality, Christ is not God in personality. Let the brightest example the world has yet seen be your example, rather than the greatest and most learned men of the age, who know not God, nor Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted. (Ellen White, The Youths Instructor, July 7, 1898) Also I recommend a short study on the term Godhead according to Ellen White:

Is there a difference between the Godhead and The Trinity and Ellen Whites use of the terms?

This article is generally written for Seventh Day Adventists in regards to the use of certain terms in the bible that were penned by Ellen G. White and what she understood these terms to mean. 1. Is there a difference between the belief in the Godhead vs. the Trinity? A) Many today are using the term godhead to mean God. Some have tried to replace the term trinity with godhead. But the truth is: God has a Godhead. The Godhead is a characteristic of God. Notice in the following verse that his Godhead is clearly seen in the things made. Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Now if the term Godhead is the new replacement word for Trinity or three in one God than the verse is saying Gods three in one God is clearly seen in the things made or Gods trinity is clearly seen in the things made. Concludingly Godhead does not mean a three in one God. Id like to propose to you that the term Godhead actually means divinity or divine nature. Here is Ellen White wrote once. She quotes this same verse Romans 1:20. But notice that the word Godhead is translated divinity. She quotes it from the American Standard Version. The invisible things of Him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even His everlasting power and divinity. Romans 1:20, A.R.V.(Ellen White Ministry of Healing 410). So the term Godhead refers to a characteristic of God himself. God is the father if we read the context. He is not a three in one God.

Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. So if we read that carefully we see that God the father has a Godhead which is his divinity. His divine nature was given to His Son. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; All things proceed from God and are given to Christ. Now most Trinitarians today have renamed the Trinity and now call it the Godhead. Its like calling a cat a dog. Its still a cat. But in order to escape comparison to Rome they misuse the term godhead. But as you can see godhead means divinity and not trinity. Gods divinity is clearly seen in the things made, not Gods trinity. For further material on this topic, see attached links. 2Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

Gave Themselves Add comments Content 9. Gave Themselves Putting The Pieces Together article. The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. In order to fully carry out this plan, it was decided that Christ, the only begotten Son of God, should give

Himself an offering for sin. What line can measure the depth of this love? {(Australasian) Union Conference Record, April 1, 1901 par. 10} (also appearing in Counsels on Health p.222) The Holy Spirit is given for the working out of the plan of salvation. The plan of salvation was designed by the Father and Son. They covenanted to give all the resources of heaven to save us. This, naturally, includes the Holy Spirit. This statement is sometimes used to prove that the Holy Spirit is a third individual god-being as are God the Father and Christ, the eternal Son. It is assumed that the Holy Spirit was present as a third member in the formulation of the plan of salvation. A careful reading and comparison, using the divine key, will easily clarify the matter. Two points should first be noted. Firstly, the Spirit of God is always a part of God Himself, even though He can operate by that Spirit elsewhere in the universe (See Education 132.2; 7T 273.2). Secondly, working out the plan means fulfilling the plan, not formulating it. The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. In order to fully carry out this plan, it was decided that Christ, the only begotten Son of God, should give Himself an offering for sin. What line can measure the depth of this love? The statement appears to say the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption, meaning they worked the plan out together, however, this is not in harmony with many other Spirit of Prophecy statements. In the 1828 Dictionary, work out means to effect by labor and exertion. It does not mean to devise a plan of labor, but the actual working out of the plan already formulated. A text given as a reference in the dictionary is Philippians 2:13. Work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. This does not mean to devise a plan, but to co-operate with God in working out His plan. Lets now read the paragraph that precedes this one: It is the glory of the gospel that it is founded upon the principle of restoring in the fallen race the divine image, by a constant manifestation of benevolence. This work began in the heavenly courts. There God decided to give human beings an unmistakable evidence of the love with which He regarded them. He so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. {AUCR, April 1, 1901 par. 9} In the previous paragraph we learn that it is the Father who was stirred with pity for the race and He decided to give all the agencies of heaven to redeem man. He covenanted with His Son to do whatever it takes to bring men back. It was decided that in order to carry out this plan the Father would give His Son and His Spirit.

Remember, Christ is the only being who can enter into all the counsels and purposes of God (Patriarchs and Prophets, p.34). There was no third being present in the formation of the plan of salvation (the counsel of peace). There were only two Beings present in that counsel of peace as we can clearly see from the following: Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. Zechariah 6:13 Before the foundations of the earth were laid, the Father and the Son had united in a covenant to redeem man if he should be overcome by Satan. They had clasped Their hands in a solemn pledge that Christ should become the surety for the human race. {E. G. White, The Desire of Ages, p. 834} The plan of salvation devised by the Father and the Son will be a grand success. {E. G. White,Signs of the Times, June 17, 1903 par. 2} Before the fall of man, the Son of God had united with his Father in laying the plan of salvation. {E. G. White, Review and Herald, September 13, 1906 par. 4} A covenant has been entered into by the Father and by the Son to save the world through Christ. {E. G. White, The Signs of the Times, October 10, 1892 par. 1} In counsel together, the Father and the Son determined that Satan should not be left unchecked to exercise his cruel power upon man. {E. G. White, Manuscript Releases Vol.18, p. 345} By Christ the work upon which the fulfillment of Gods purpose rests was accomplished. This was the agreement in the councils of the Godhead. The Father purposed in counsel with His Son that the human family should be tested and proved to see whether they would be allured by the temptations of Satan, or whether they would make Christ their righteousness, keeping Gods commandments, and live. God gave to His Son all who would be true and loyal. Christ covenanted to redeem them from the power of Satan, at the price of His own life. {E. G. White, Manuscript Releases Vol.21, p. 54} Christ the Word, the Only Begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,one in nature, in character, and in purpose,the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. {The Great Controversy, p. 493} There is no other being in all the universe who can enter into the counsels of God. The councils of the Godhead are between the Father and the Son. This raises a very important question regarding the Holy Spirit. Either the Holy Spirit is a god-being who cannot enter into the counsels of the Godhead (!?)OR the Holy Spirit is not a being at all, but is rather the life and character and mind and personal presence of both the Father and the Son. It was decided that this life would be given (when the Father and

Son were in counsel) to be the regenerating agent for man should he fall. It was to begiven to the working out of the plan that was formulated between the Father and the Son. We shall be judged according to the light we have had, according to the privileges we have been granted, according to the opportunity we have had to hear and understand the word of God. These privileges have been given us through an infinite cost to the Father and the Son. The plan of redemption has been devised and carried out so far through the sacrifice of all heaven, and the gift of the Holy Spirit has been provided, that the divine may unite with the human, and man be elevated in moral and spiritual worth. {E. G. White, The Youths Instructor, June 15, 1893 par. 1} Notice how clearly we are told that the plan was first devised and then carried out. We know it was devised by the Father and the Son. When they devised that plan (at an infinite cost to them) they decided that in carrying it out the gift of the Holy Spirit would be provided. Therefore, the three gave themselves to the carrying out of that plan that was devised by the Father and Son. That the Holy Spirit is to be the grand helper, is a wonderful promise. Of what avail would it have been to us that the only begotten Son of God had humbled Himself, endured the temptations of the wily foe, and wrestled with him during His entire life on earth, and died the Just for the unjust that humanity might not perish, if the Spirit had not been given as a constant, working,regenerating agent to make effectual in our cases what has been wrought out by the worlds Redeemer? {E. G. White, Selected Messages Book 3, p. 137} The Holy Spirit was the highest of all gifts that he could solicit from his Father for the exaltation of his people. The Spirit was to be given as a regenerating agent, and without this the sacrifice of Christ would have been of no avail. {E. G. White, Review and Herald, November 19, 1908 par. 5} The Father, Son and Holy Spirit gave themselves to work out the plan of salvation. The three heavenly powers are pledged to assist us in our walk for Salvation. As the divine endowmentthe power of the Holy Spiritwas given to the disciples, so it will today be given to all who seek aright. This power alone is able to make us wise unto salvation and to fit us for the courts above. Christ wants to give us a blessing that will make us holy. These things have I spoken unto you, He says, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full. John 15:11. Joy in the Holy Spirit is health-giving, life-giving joy. In giving us His Spirit, God gives us Himself, making Himself a fountain of divine influences, to give health and life to the world. {E. G. White, Testimonies Volume 7, p. 273}

No truth is more clearly taught in the Bible than that God by His Holy Spirit especially directs His servants on earth in the great movements for the carrying forward of the work of salvation. {E. G. White, The Great Controversy, p. 343} The Lord desires to make man the repository of divine influence, and the only thing that hinders the accomplishment of Gods designs is that men close their hearts to the light of life. Apostasy caused the withdrawal of the Holy Spirit from man, but through the plan of redemption this blessing of heaven is to be restored to those who sincerely desire it. The Lord has promised to give all good things to those who ask Him, and all good things are defined as given with the gift of the Holy Spirit. {E. G. White, Manuscript Releases Vol.2, p. 11} In light of this if you read the Ellen White reference again, you will see that the three great powers of heaven gave themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption, a plan that had been formulated by the Father and the Son in the councils of heaven prior to the creation of the earth. At the fall of man, the working out of the plan began. Let us praise God for His great salvation. Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

Putting the Pieces Together Three Holiest Beings Add comments Content 10. Three Holiest Beings Putting The Pieces Together article. You are born unto God, and you stand under the sanction and the power of the three holiest beings in heaven, who are able to keep you from falling. You are to reveal that you are dead to sin; your life is hid with Christ in God. Hidden with Christ in God, wonderful transformation. This is a most precious promise. {Manuscript Releases Vol. 7, p. 267} (also appearing in Sermons and Talks Volume One p. 367) This statement is a report of a sermon preached by Mrs. White. When comparing this report with published writings we see that a slight reporting error happened (as is the case to this day). Mrs. White did not write the words three holiest beings at all. According to her instruction we are to examine the published writings when faced with reports that contradict. Some people use this statement to support the theory of three gods (three divine beings who are separate and coequal). It is truly alarming how

people fail to do their homework properly in light of the momentous issues we are dealing with. Let it be known that Mrs. White never put pen to paper and wrote three holiest beings. She is not the author of these words. We shall now examine closely what the record reveals and let all men be informed of the facts of the matter. This statement is actually a report of a sermon that Mrs. White preached on Sabbath afternoon October 20, 1906 in Oakland, California. This report was produced after she died (7MR 267). The statement also appears in the book Sermons and Talks, Book 1. In the forward of the book we are told: ALL THE MESSAGES REPRODUCED IN THIS VOLUME WERE DELIVERED IN PUBLIC ANDSTENOGRAPHICALLY REPORTED, OR WERE PREPARED WITH THAT PURPOSE IN VIEW. MANY OF ELLEN WHITES SERMONS MAY BE FOUND IN THE REVIEW AND HERALD AND SIGNS OF THE TIMES, BUT NEARLY ALL OF THOSE INCLUDED IN THIS SERIES HAVE BEEN DRAWN FROM PREVIOUSLY UNPUBLISHED MANUSCRIPTS, AS THEY APPEAR IN OUR FILES. SO, ALTHOUGH THERE WERE NO TAPE RECORDERS IN ELLEN WHITES DAY, A PERSON MAY GET THE TRUE FEEL OF ELLEN WHITE AS A SPEAKER BY READING THIS BOOK. (P. i) This is a very honest admission from the White Estate telling us that Mrs. White did not pen those words; rather they were a report of what she said. It is very obvious that a slight mistake was made in reporting this sermon. Mrs. White herself warned us of this by saying: And now to all who have a desire for truth I would say: Do not give credence to unauthenticated reports as to what Sister White has done or said or written. If you desire to know what the Lord has revealed through her, read her published works. {E. G. White, Testimonies Volume 5, p. 696} She told us to read her published works. This is very important to keep in mind. Why does she highly recommend her published works rather than reports of what she may or may have not said? It is very simple; she knew everything that was published because she read all the manuscripts prior to publication: I read over all that is copied, to see that everything is as it should be. I read all the book manuscript before it is sent to the printer. {E. G. White, Selected Messages Book 3, p. 90} Naturally, Ellen White could not check anything that was published after she died. Therefore she instructed us that we are to read her published works since she reviewed these works herself. It is interesting that this statement of three holiest beings only saw the light of day very recently. The date of release is noted by the White Estate as follows:

Released March 16, 1976. {Manuscript Releases 7, p. 273} It would be difficult for Ellen White to check and review this report of her sermon prior to publication; she had been dead for a long time! There is no evidence that can prove that Mrs. White ever checked the words three holiest beings! Now let us demonstrate why the reporter of the sermon made a mistake in claiming that Mrs. White said three holiest beings. All we have to do is examine her published writings as she has instructed us to do. How many divine beings are there according to Ellen Whites published writings? Christ the Word, the Only Begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,one in nature, in character, and in purpose,the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. {E. G. White, The Great Controversy, p. 493} That plainly tells us that there is no other being besides Christ who enters into the counsels of God. No other being in all the universe! That makes two beings only. The Holy Spirit cannot be a being, for that would mean it cannot enter into all the counsels of God! But we knew that for the Bible made it clear long ago (Zachariah 6:12, 13). Sister White never mentions another being besides Christ who is allowed into counsel with God. How can this be if she really was a Trinitarian, as some claim on her behalf? Where is God the Holy Spirit? The only other being in the universe who wanted to enter into counsel with God and His Son was a proud angel by the name of Lucifer. It was he who wanted the heavenly counsel to include a third member! Let the readers read the first chapter of Patriarchs and Prophets and see if this is true or not. But there is more: The only being who was one with God lived the law in humanity, descended to the lowly life of a common laborer, and toiled at the carpenters bench with his earthly parent. {E. G. White, Signs of the Times, October 14, 1897 par. 3} Here she clearly and plainly says Christ is the only being who is one with God. There is no mention of anyone else being one with God besides Christ. That is only two beings. Just in case someone may use the strange notion of just because God the Holy Spirit is not mentioned does not mean he is not there! we again emphasize the word only. When using that word Mrs. White is excluding any other options or possibilities. It is impossible for her to say only and then elsewhere contradict it. Again, the same plain language and testimony is used in the following quote: The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted. {E. G. White, The Youths Instructor, July 7, 1898 par. 2} The above statement alone should be sufficient to abolish every theory of a trinity. Honestly, how could Ellen White (if she was really a Trinitarian) make a statement like

that? Let us ask again the oft repeated question: where is God the Holy Spirit? If the Father and the Son alone are to be exalted, then what are we to do with God the Holy Spirit? Surely we say aright, the servant of the Lord wasnot a believer in that doctrine which is espoused by the mother of all harlots, neither in any of its varied and multitudinous forms. Let us look at further evidence that will confirm the above. We are counseled to go by the weight of evidence (DA 458) and not just by one or two statements. Let each reader consider the question: who is the third highest being in heaven? This is an important question to answer in light of the three holiest beings statement. We shall not attempt any guess-work in seeking an answer to this question. In the published writings we are plainly given the answer: God is a moral governor as well as a Father. He is the Lawgiver. {12MR 208} The Son of God was next in authority to the great Lawgiver. {2SP 9} The Lord has shown me that Satan was once an honored angel in heaven, next to Jesus Christ.{1SG 17} Speaking of Satan, our Lord says that he abode not in the truth. He was once the covering cherub, glorious in beauty and holiness. He was next to Christ in exaltation and character. {RH, October 22, 1895 par. 1} Satan in Heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to Gods dear Son. His countenance, like those of the other angels, was mild and expressive of happiness. His forehead was high and broad, showing a powerful intellect. His form was perfect; his bearing noble and majestic. A special light beamed in his countenance, and shone around him brighter and more beautiful than around the other angels; yet Jesus, Gods dear Son, had the preeminence over all the angelic host. He was one with the Father before the angels were created. Satan was envious of Christ, and gradually assumed command which devolved on Christ alone. {1SP 17.1} Was not Satan the light-bearer, the sharer of Gods glory in heaven, and next to Jesus in power and majesty? {RH, November 17, 1891 par. 3} Sin originated with him, who, next to Christ, stood highest in the favor of God, and highest in power and glory among the inhabitants of Heaven. Before his fall, Lucifer was the covering cherub, holy and undefiled. {4SP 316}

Christs humiliation is not understood and not appreciated. Forty days and nights Jesus was subjected to the temptations of the enemythe one who was once an angel next to Christ in majesty and glory in the heavenly courts. It is stated, Thou wast exalted because of thy beauty, et cetera. But he wanted to have the place of Christ, and Christ was one with the Infinite God; and because this was not accorded him, he became jealous, and he was the originator of sin.{16MR 180.1} Even after the fall of Lucifer, the third highest being is identified for us: It was Gabriel, the angel next in rank to the Son of God, who came with the divine message to Daniel. {DA 234} From the above plain testimonies we learn that the third highest position in heaven is occupied by a created being, both before and after the fall of Lucifer. This should be plain to any clear thinking individual. This weight of evidence cannot be set aside lightly. To insist otherwise based on just one reported statement can only betray a stubborn desire to maintain a groundless theory. These plain statements are from her published works, they are not statements that were produced long after she died. These are authentic statements that she reviewed and checked and that the whole church at the time subscribed to. On the other hand, statements that only make an appearance posthumously and which clearly contradict the authentic writings must be closely examined and studied and checked against the published writings. This is the only safe way to arrive at the truth. We cannot just grab one statement because we like what it says and ignore her published writings which she tells us are the most authentic and accurate report of her beliefs and teachings. Let those who desire to obey the prophet heed this counsel is our prayer. Do you ask, What shall I do to be saved? You must lay your preconceived opinions, your hereditary and cultivated ideas, at the door of investigation. If you search the Scriptures to vindicate your own opinions, you will never reach the truth. Search in order to learn what the Lord says. If conviction comes as you search, if you see that your cherished opinions are not in harmony with the truth, do not misinterpret the truth in order to suit your own belief, but accept the light given. Open mind and heart that you may behold wondrous things out of Gods word. {E. G. White, Christs Object Lessons, p. 112}

Putting the Pieces Together Appendix I Add comments

Appendix I. Putting The Pieces Together. Dr. Kellogg & the Trinity Many people are not aware of Dr. Kelloggs Trinitarian theology. In this section is presented some factual evidence in support of this claim. Kellogg was indeed teaching a trinity of 3 co-eternal, co-equal beings! At that time he expressed to leading brethren of the church that he believed that there were three separate divine beings in the Godhead. Here is what an alarmed A. G. Daniells wrote to W. C. White regarding this matter in 1903. Ever since the council closed I have felt that I should write you confidentially regarding Dr Kelloggs plans for revising and republishing The Living Temple. He (Kellogg) said that some days before coming to the council, he had been thinking the matter over, and began to see that he had made a slight mistake in expressing his views. He said that all the way along he had been troubled to know how to state the character of God and his relation to his creation works He then stated that his former views regarding the trinity had stood in his way of making a clear and absolutely correct statement; but that within a short time he had come to believe in the trinity and could now see pretty clearly where all the difficulty was, and believed that he could clear the matter up satisfactorily. He told me that he now believed in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost; and his view was that it was God the Holy Ghost, and not God the Father, that filled all space, and every living thing. He said if he had believed this before writing the book, he could have expressed his views without giving the wrong impression the book now gives. I placed before him the objections I found in the teaching, and tried to show him that the teaching was so utterly contrary to the gospel that I did not see how it could be revised by changing a few expressions.

We argued the matter at some length in a friendly way; but I felt sure that when we parted, the doctor did not understand himself, nor the character of his teaching. And I could not see how it would be possible for him to flop over, and in the course of a few days fix the books up so that it would be all right. {Letter: A. G. Daniells to W. C. White. October 29, 1903. pp. 1, 2} Dr. Kellogg had come to believe in the doctrine of the trinity. He believed in God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit! Are there people today who believe the same thing? Was Ellen White aware that Kellogg wanted to revise his book and include a trinity of 3 god-beings? Did she have any words to say about this? She most certainly did, in light of the fact that the above letter was sent to her son; she most surely had something to say about the republishing of the book to include a doctrine of a trinity (God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit). It will be said that Living Temple has been revised. But the Lord has shown me that the writer has not changed, and that there can be no unity between him and the ministers of the gospel while he continues to cherish his present sentiments. I am bidden to lift my voice in warning to our people, saying, Be not deceived; God is not mocked (Gal. 6:7). {E. G. White, Selected Messages Book 1, p. 199} 1904 (So how could she believe the same thing, as many claim, and yet reprove Kellogg for wanting to publish it?) What were the present sentiments of Dr. Kellogg? According to his own confession a year earlier, he had come to believe in a trinity of 3 divine beings. In self defense Kellogg claimed that his teachings were the same as Mrs. White. He even would quote statements from her writings to support his new teaching. Mrs. White denied this charge in plain testimonies: I am compelled to speak in denial of the claim that the teachings of Living Temple can be sustained by statements from my writings. There may be in this book expressions and sentiments that are in harmony with my writings. And there may be in my writings many statements which, taken from their connection, and interpreted according to the mind of the writer of Living Temple, would seem to be in harmony with the teachings of this book. This may give apparent support to the assertion that the sentiments in Living Temple are in harmony with my writings. But God forbid that this sentiment should prevail. {E. G. White, Selected Messages Book 1, p. 203} 1904

She admitted that there may be in her writings many statements that can be taken from their connection (context) and explained in such a way as to be in harmony with Kelloggs teaching, and as such seem to lend his doctrine some weight. But, she said God forbid that this sentiment should prevail. Was Sister White aware that her writings can be twisted to teach a trinity of 3 divine beings? This is the very thing that Kellogg was trying to do. This is the very thing that many today are also trying to do! But, tragically, the deception today is far deeper and worse. In as much as the Omega is greater and deadlier than the Alpha. (For more details write for the book The Alpha and the Omega)

Putting the Pieces Together Appendix II Add comments Appendix II. Putting the Pieces Together How many divine Beings? The Bible and the Spirit of prophecy both emphatically instruct us that there are only two beings worthy of our worship and praise, never three. Only two beings can be worshipped, therefore they must be divine beings. Here is some plain testimony: Bible But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. John 4:23, 24 Jesus heard that they had cast him out; and when he had found him, he said unto him, Dost thou believe on the Son of God? And he said, Lord, I believe. And he worshipped him. John 9:35, 38 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him. John 5:23 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. John 14:1 And every creature which is in heaven, and on the earth, and under the earth, and such as are in the sea, and all that are in them, heard I saying, Blessing, and honour, and glory, and power, be unto him that sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb for ever and ever. Revelation 5:13

Here we have a scene encompassing every creature and being in heaven and earth. All these creatures give supreme homage and worship to only two beings: the Father (him that sitteth upon the throne) and the Son (the Lamb). The next verse tells us that this act of worship is finished (Amen) without acknowledging any other being besides those Two. It is clear that all the creatures in heaven (angels) know who to worship and who not to worship. This knowledge we need and must reflect here on earth. And the four beasts said, Amen. And the four and twenty elders fell down and worshipped him that liveth for ever and ever. V.14 Notice how this act of honoring the Father and the Son (v.13) is rendering supreme honor and worship to the Father Himself (him that liveth forever and ever). Worshipping and honoring the Son is supreme homage and glory to the Father. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:10, 11 This is because the Father is the source of all being in the entire universe. The whole family in heaven and earth is named after the Father: For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named Ephesians 3:14, 15 We are never commanded anywhere in the Bible to worship the Holy Spirit. We are never commanded to worship three beings. We only worship one God, the Father (1 Corinthians 8:6), through His Son Jesus who is the only way to that one God (John 14:6). In so doing we fulfill the command of our Master in John 5:23. We should not expect the Messenger of the Lord, Sister White, to be out of harmony with the above plain testimonies of Scripture. Indeed, she is not. Spirit of Prophecy In heaven, before the war, before the creation of man: The Son of God shared the Fathers throne, and the glory of the eternal, self-existent One encircledboth. Before the assembled inhabitants of heaven the King declared that none but Christ, the Only Begotten of God, could fully enter into His purposes, and to Him it was committed to execute the mighty counsels of His will. The Son of God had wrought the Fathers will in the creation of all the hosts of heaven; and to Him, as well as to God, their homage and allegiance were due.{Patriarchs and Prophets, p. 36} Christ the Word, the Only Begotten of God, was one with the eternal Father,one in nature, in character, and in purpose,the only being in all the universe that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. {The Great Controversy, p. 493} (There is no other being in all the universe who can enter into that counsel!)

Before the foundations of the earth were laid, the Father and the Son had united in a covenant to redeem man if he should be overcome by Satan. They had clasped Their hands in a solemn pledge that Christ should become the surety for the human race. {The Desire of Ages, p. 834} Lucifer in heaven, before his rebellion, was a high and exalted angel, next in honor to Gods dear Son. {The Story of Redemption, p. 15} In heaven during the war (no change): When Satan became disaffected in heaven, he did not lay his complaint before God and Christ; but he went among the angels who thought him perfect and represented that God had done him injustice in preferring Christ to himself. {Testimonies Volume 5, p. 291} Satan had sympathizers in heaven, and took large numbers of the angels with him. God and Christand heavenly angels were on one side, and Satan on the other. Notwithstanding the infinite power and majesty of God and Christ, angels became disaffected. The insinuations of Satan took effect, and they really came to believe that the Father and the Son were their enemies and that Satan was their benefactor. {Testimonies Volume 3, p. 328} Satan worked in every possible way to come out victorious in standing in the highest place in the heavenly courts. How artful were his contrivances to win the game! He employed every artful intrigue and device to carry his science against God and His Son Jesus Christ. {Battle Creek Letters, p. 128} Satan in his rebellion took a third part of the angels. They turned from the Father and from His Son, and united with the instigator of rebellion. {Testimonies Volume 3, p. 115} On earth after the war, before mans fall (no change): The holy pair [Adam & Eve] united with them [angels] and raised their voices in harmonious songs of love, praise, and adoration to the Father and His dear Son for the tokens of love which surrounded them. {The Story of Redemption, p. 22} Adam and Eve assured the angels that they would never transgress the express command of God; for it was their highest pleasure to do his will. The angels united with them in holy strains of harmonious music; and as their songs pealed forth from blissful Eden, Satan heard their joyful adoration of the Father and the Son. {Signs of the Times, January 16, 1879 par. 22} With what intense interest the whole universe watched the conflict that was to decide the position of Adam and Eve. How attentively the angels listened to the words of Satan[] They asked themselves, Will the holy pair transfer their faith and love from the Father and Son to Satan? Will they accept his falsehoods as truth? {Signs of the Times, May 12, 1890 par. 2} On earth after the fall (no change):

But in the transgression of man both the Father and the Son were dishonored. {Signs of the Times, December 12, 1895 par. 7} The Father could not abolish nor change one precept of his law to meet man in his fallen condition.But the Son of God, who had in unison with the Father created man, could make an atonement for man acceptable to God, by giving his life a sacrifice, and bearing the wrath of his Father. Angels informed Adam that, as his transgression had brought death and wretchedness, life and immortality would be brought to light through the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. {The Spirit of Prophecy Volume One, p. 50} The human family cost God and his Son Jesus Christ an infinite price. {Special Testimonies On Education, p. 21} No man, nor even the highest angel, can estimate the great cost; it is known only to the Father and the Son. {E. G. White, The Bible Echo, October 28, 1895 par. 4} Father and Son are pledged to fulfill the terms of the everlasting covenant. {E. G. White, The Youths Instructor, June 14, 1900 par. 5} (The everlasting covenant is only between Two beings: the Father and Son). On earth, last day remnant (no change): In the Bible every duty is made plain. Every lesson given is comprehensible. Every lesson reveals to us the Father and the Son. The word is able to make all wise unto salvation. {Testimonies Volume 8, p. 157} The Father, the Son, and Lucifer have been revealed in their true relation to one another. God has given unmistakable evidence of His justice and His love. {Signs of the Times, August 27, 1902 par. 15} The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted. {The Youths Instructor, July 7, 1898 par. 2} Based on these facts, we shall have open communion in heaven with those same Two Beings, not three. It is the Two Beings that we have come to know and fellowship with here on earth that we shall also fellowship with in heaven. New earth, creation restored (no change): The people of God are privileged to hold open communion with the Father and the Son. {The Great Controversy, p. 676} In your hands will be placed a golden harp, and touching its strings, you will join with the redeemed host in filling all heaven with songs of praise to God and His Son. {(Australasian) Union Conference Record, January 15, 1903 par. 14} And the years of eternity, as they roll, will bring richer and still more glorious revelations of God and of Christ. {The Great Controversy, p. 678}

Heaven is a ceaseless approaching to God through Christ. The longer we are in the heaven of bliss, the more and still more of glory will be opened to us; and the more we know of God, the more intense will be our happiness. {The Desire of Ages, p. 331} Nothing is said of what they have done or suffered; but the burden of every song, the keynote of every anthem, is, Salvation to our God and unto the Lamb. {The Spirit of Prophecy Volume Four, p. 480} All the redeemed saints will see and appreciate as never before the love of the Father and the Son, and songs of praise will burst forth from immortal tongues. He loved us, He gave His life for us. With glorified bodies, with enlarged capacities, with hearts made pure, with lips undefiled, we shall sing the riches of redeeming love. {That I May Know Him, p. 371} Heaven and earth will unite in praise, as from one Sabbath to another (Isa. 66:23) the nations of the saved shall bow in joyful worship to God and the Lamb. {The Desire of Ages, p. 770} The years will move on in gladness. Over the scene the morning stars will sing together, and the sons of God will shout for joy, while God and Christ will unite in proclaiming, There shall be no more sin, neither shall there be any more death. {Child Guidance, p. 568} Oh, may no one who reads these words be missing on that day! No more sin, no more deception, no more darkness. We shall stand before our Father and His Son to hear that proclamation. Praise His holy name! The testimonies themselves will be the key that will explain the messages given, as scripture is explained by scripture. {E. G. White, Selected Messages Book 1, p. 42} In Closing: The material presented here, while not exhaustive, serves as a demonstration of the fact that Ellen Whites difficult statements can indeed be harmonized so that nothing contradicts. This is possible when we follow her own recommendation in using the key to the Testimonies. There is no reason to believe that any other difficult statement written by her cannot be harmonized using the same rule. More statements may be added to this work in forthcoming editions, but, for the time being, there is enough weight of evidence to convince all those who honestly could not harmonize these statements heretofore. It is the personal duty of each person to make a decision based on the weight of evidence, despite the ever present seeming objections which foster unbelief. God does not propose to remove all occasion for unbelief. He gives evidence, which must be carefully investigated with a humble mind and a teachable spirit, and all should decide from the weight of evidence. {E. G. White, Testimonies Volume 3, p. 255}

Satan has ability to suggest doubts and to devise objections to the pointed testimony that God sends, and many think it a virtue, a mark of intelligence in them, to be unbelieving and to question and quibble. God gives sufficient evidence for the candid mind to believe; but he who turns from the weight of evidence because there are a few things which he cannot make plain to his finite understanding will be left in the cold, chilling atmosphere of unbelief and questioning doubts, and will make shipwreck of faith. {E. G. White, Testimonies Volume 5, pp. 675, 676} A word of caution: You who have been educating yourselves and others in a spirit of criticism and accusing, remember that you are imitating the example of Satan. When it suits your purpose, you treat the Testimonies as if you believed them, quoting from them to strengthen any statement you wish to have prevail. But how is it when light is given to correct your errors? Do you then accept the light? When the Testimonies speak contrary to your ideas, you treat them very lightly. {E. G. White, Selected Messages Book 1, pp. 42, 43} Light from the Testimonies has indeed been here given to correct much of the popular error. Dear reader, do you accept the light? The truth remains, after all opposition, truth.

Ellen White Seemingly Trinitarian Statements 1. Heavenly Trio context quote in its context, then it is reread again with brackets added to see if it is actually teaching a Trinity. Seems this quote is actually antitrinitarian and teaching a non-trinitarian view as it was spoken in regards to a heresey that John Harve Kellogg had adopted. 2. Three great worthies and three holiest beings. Is this Ellen White? There is a reason why this quote does not deserve any creedence. She never taught a trinity in 1000s of pages of writings. Her family was non-trinitarian. Why? 3. Original, unborrowed, underived life - In Christ is life original, unborrowed, underived. Man can posess this life as it is the life that flows from God to his only begotten son and is given to whomsoever he willeth. Some have thought that this statement teaches Christ had no beginning. But this original, unborrowed, underived life can be possessed by men.

4. Christ is not God in personality - But yet he is God in respect to his form, substance and nature which he possessed from his father. His father is the only true God. 5. Holy Spirit a person as much as God is a person - This quote says God is a person. This seems to be non-trinitarian as well. Since Trinitarians teach that God is three persons. 6. Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity - Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity Ellen White Evangelism God is distinct from his son, and his spirit in this quote. This to me indicates that the title God in this quote refers to the father alone. I dont think that we can read into this quoteGod the father, son and holy spirit, and Christ and the Holy Spirit. The title God refers alone to the father in this quote and as far as can be seen in not Trinitarian at all. 7. Third Person of the Godhead - Ellen White has some seemingly hard to understand texts regarding the third person of the Godhead. See the context of these verses and how she is not teaching a trinity, and how others came to misunderstand her writings as well. 8. The term Godhead in the SOP - Many today are using the term godhead to mean God. Some have tried to replace the term trinity with godhead. But the truth is: God has a Godhead. The Godhead is a characteristic of God. Notice in the following verse that his Godhead is clearly seen in the things made. 9. The Three Great Powers - The three great powers of heaven, God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. To us there is but one God the father. Is this teaching a trinity, or is it actually non-trinitarian. 10. Nature of the Holy Spirit a Mystery - The following is the original quote Ellen White made concerning the mystery of the Holy Spirit which is often quoted in Acts of the Apostles, p 52. Brother Chapman was holding to a view that the identity of the Holy Spirit was Gabriel and was not being sent out to preach because he did not agree that the Comforter is Christ. Ellen White told brother Chapman to come into harmony with the brethren. 11. The Godhead was Stirred with Pity - The Godhead was stirred with pity for the race, and the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit gave Themselves to the working out of the plan of redemption. Does this text teach us that God is a Trinity? Lets look carefully and see who is identified as God, who is identified as Christ, and what the Godhead is.

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Answering Evangelism Pages 615-617 - Answering Evangelism Page 615-617 Leroy Frooms seemingly Trinitarian Collection of EGW writings. How many times have we seen these quotes. All apparently Trinitarian. All these quotes are actually nontrinitarian when we look carefully. Sadly so many are merely surface reading these quotes and not studying carefully.

The Seventh Day Adventist Church Who and what is the church? Philadelphia or Laodicea - Who is the remnant? Stay on the Ship - A common saying in the general conference. But has it been missapplied? Have they made shipwreck of the faith delivered to the saints? Can the conference ever be called Babylon - We go over the quotes and find something very interesting. Let us make a name - This woman has commited fornication with the kings of the earth and the call to Gods people is Come out of her my people. The General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists was NEVER considered the church- This article goes over the giant misconception that the term Gods Church The Church or Seventh Day Adventist Church apply to the earthly organization called the General Conference. Judgment to Come- This article documents how Paul spoke about a judgment to come. He was brought before worldly councils in an attempt to stop him. And it documents how a nation brings a judgment against themselves and they can unchurch themselves before that judgment comes. Foundation and Pillars of our Faith Changed: Have the pillars of our Seventh Day Adventist faith been changed? Many when they think of the pillars of the Seventh Day Adventist faith think of the Sanctuary and the three angels messages. These are the pillars of our faith. There is a truth that is seen in the sanctuary. The truth about God and his son are seen in the sanctuary. Fear God and give glory to him. Seventh Day Adventist Trademark- Recently I was sent an email about a matter of church and state which seems to be going to a whole new level and should be quite alarming to us especially if we are Seventh Day Adventists who stand up for Christian liberty. The matter is in regards to the adventist trademark which was acquired by the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists Gods Church is the Voice of God on the earth_The General Conference is not The Church of God is Gods voice on earth but a manmade organization called the

General Conference. An organization that has applied our good name to its hospitals killing babies by means of abortion, bringing others before the courts in trademark lawsuits, investing our tithe in warplanes and missile developing businesses that destroy millions. Miscellaneous 3 days and 3 nights a Spirit of Prophecy - This is a study using the writings of Ellen G. White. Many today have said she had nothing to say on this issue and are beginning to profess a Wednesday crucifixion and a Sunday resurrection. However in this study we will clearly discern a Friday crucifixion and a Sunday resurrection.

The Third Person of the Godhead Add comments In a letter that Dr. John Harvey Kellogg wrote to G. I Butler on Oct 28th 1903 concerning The Living Temple he wrote. As far as I can fathom, the difficulty which is found in the Living Temple, the whole thing may be simmered down to this question: is the Holy Ghost a person. You say no. I had supposed the Bible said this for the reason that the personal pronoun he is used in speaking of the Holy Ghost. Sister White uses the pronoun he and has said in as many words that the Holy Ghost is the third person of the Godhead. How the Holy Ghost can be the third person and not be a person at all is difficult for me to see. G.I Butler as well as many of our other pioneers including Ellen White had heavily rebuked Kellogg in regards to Kelloggs understanding of who God was. As we can clearly see from the above statement Dr. Kellogg was misunderstanding the use of the words third person by Ellen White. The purpose of this writing is to show that exactly the same thing has happened today. Elder Butler as well as others were concerned about Mr. Kelloggs understanding of who God was and his belief that the Holy Ghost was a separate being. Ms. White wrote Elder Butler and E.G Daniels who was also concerned on the matter in regards to the misunderstanding of the use of the word third person as well as godhead. Ms. White wrote regarding Kelloggs false view and misconception that the Holy Spirit was an actual separate being.

There are some, who upon accepting erroneous theories, strive to establish them by collecting from my writings statements of truth, which they use, separated from their proper connection and perverted by association with error. Letter 136, April 27, 1906, to Brethren Butler, Daniels, and Irwin. (Ellen White, 1906, This Day with God, page 126) Ms. White never rebuked Butler, Uriah Smith, her husband James White, as well as the rest of the pioneers who were all strongly anti-trinitarian believers. Clearly if she was Trinitarian she would not be fighting against it. Many Adventists will say she never spoke out about false views about God. This is what she said. I am instructed to speak plainly. Meet it, is the word spoken to me. Meet it firmly, and without delay. In the book Living Temple there is presented the alpha of deadly heresies. The omega will follow, and will be received by those who are not willing to heed the warning God has given. (Selected Messages, book 1, p. 200) Notice the angel told her to MEET IT. In all her years married to someone who strongly opposed the trinity and studying with so many who were anti-trinitarian she never was told to MEET IT. Most Adventists know that our pioneers are today labeled Arian because they did not believe that the Holy spirit was a third divine being. Adventist beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of present truth. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord. Many of the pioneers, including James White, J. N. Andrews, Uriah Smith, and J. H. Waggoner, held to an Arian or semi-Arian viewthat is, the Son at some point in time before the Creation of our world was generated by the Father. the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by the early Adventists. Even today a few do not subscribe to it. (Adventist Review, January 6, 1994, p. 10) Ellen White spoke in 1904. It is believed by some that she was Trinitarian at this point. Amazingly, she speaks of a time 60 years earlier saying she had to speak about false views about God in this next statement. This clearly indicates that she never changed her views about who God was. I will also quote her husband after this quote to show the false views about God that her and her husband had to meet right around the time of 1844. After the passing of the time in 1844, we had fanaticism of every kind to meet. Testimonies of reproof were given me to bear to some holding spiritualistic theories. There were those who were active in disseminating false ideas in regard

to God. Light was given me that these men were making the truth of no effect by their false teachings. I was instructed that they were misleading souls by presenting speculative theories regarding God. {E. G. White, Testimonies Volume 8, pp. 292, 293} 1904 She says we had spiritualistic views about God to meet. What are these spiritualistic views they met after 1844? The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed, viz., that Jesus Christ is the eternal God, though they have not one passage to support it,while we have plain scripture testimony in abundance that he is the Son of the eternal God. {J. S. White, The Day Star,January 24, 1846} Wow. Do you see that? Can you see the significance of that? Do you see what the trinity is? Spiritualism. And this is the false doctrine she met in 1844 and also met again in Kellogg in the early 1900s who had taken statements from her writings to form a false creed. Now the questions remain. How many beings partake of the counsels of the godhead. Who is God? Who is the son? Who is the third person of the godhead? What is the godhead? Lets take another statement from James White. Paul affirms of the Son of God that he was in the form of God, and that he was equalwith God. Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God. Phil. 2:6. The reason why it is not robbery for the Son to be equal with the Father is the fact that he is equal The inexplicable Trinity that makes the Godhead three in one and one in three, is bad enough; but that ultra Unitarianism that makes Christ inferior to the Father is worse. Did God say to an inferior, Let us make man in our image? {J.S. White, Review & Herald,November 29, 1877} Imagine that God would not have his prophet meet statements such as the above quote but yet when someone began to become a Trinitarian she was told to meet it. The teaching of Kellogg she was told to meet. And the entire matter in Kelloggs eyes boiled down to his misunderstanding that her use of the words third person meant that God was three beings in one. Had Kellogg recently become Trinitarian? This is exactly what was happening. This is what the evil angels had caused him to become. And this is what Ms. White was meeting. A misunderstanding of her use of the words third person which we will clarify shortly. A.G Daniels wrote to Willie White and said about Kellogg.

He [J. H. Kellogg] then stated that his former views regarding the trinity had stood in his way of making a clear and absolutely correct statement; but that within a short time he had come to believe in the trinity and could now see pretty clearly where all the difficulty was, and believed that he could clear the matter up satisfactorily. He told me that he now believed in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost; and his view was that it was God the Holy Ghost, and not God the Father, that filled all space, and every living thing. He said that if he had believed this before writing the book, he could have expressed his views without giving the wrong impression the book now gives. (Letter by A. G. Daniells to W. C. White on October 29, 1903) Mr. Daniels went on to tell Willie White that he had explained to Kellogg that his views were so contrary to the gospel. They were contrary to the fact that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son[John 3:16]. Ellen White went onto rebuke Kellogg and we will examine further statements from Ms. White in which she addressed Kellogg with including third person and heavenly trio which Adventists today have completely ripped from their original context. Most have no idea that many of these statements were used in rebuke to Kellogg and his belief in a holy spirit being. Willie White could not believe how his mothers statements were taken to believe that she believed that the holy spirit was a third being like the father and the son. This was written in 1935. And you will see that this next statement is clearly antitrinitarian. You would think that Willie would have some conception of what his mother believed. And that is what we will shortly examine. Here is a rundown of the conversation between H. W. Carr and Willie White about how the trinity was being urged due to certain statements about third person in Ms. Whites writings. H. W. Carr said: It is urged by some of our leaders now that The Holy Spirit is a third person of the same nature of the Father and Son, a member of the heavenly trio, cooperative in creation and personally active with the Father and Son. For many years I have used these statements of Sr. White [statements previously quoted in his letter] in combating false teachings relative to defining the Holy Spirit. (Letter by H. W. Carr to Willie White, January 24, 1935) Willie answered him:

In your letter you request me to tell you what I understand to be my mothers position in reference to the personality of the Holy Spirit. This I cannot do because I never clearly understood her teachings on the matter. There always was in my mind some perplexity regarding the meaning of her utterances which to my superficial manner of thinking seemed to be somewhat confusing. The statements and the arguments of some of our ministers in their effort to prove that the Holy Spirit was anindividual as are God the Father and Christ, the eternal Son, have perplexed me and sometimes they have made me sad. One popular teacher said We may regard Him, (the Holy Spirit) as the fellow who is down here running things. My perplexities were lessened a little when I learned from the dictionary that one of the meanings of personality, was Characteristics. It is stated in such a way that I concluded that there might be personality without bodily form which is possessed by the Father and the Son. There are many Scriptures which speak of the Father and the Son and the absence of Scripture making similar reference to the united work of the Father and the Holy Spirit or of Christ and the Holy Spirit, has led me to believe that the spirit without individuality was the representative of the Father and the Son throughout the universe, and it was through the Holy Spirit that they dwell in our hearts and make us one with the Father and with the Son. (Letter by Willie White, April 30, 1935) Ellen Whites own son claimed he did not understand her statements to be teaching or to mean that the Holy Spirit was a distinct individual as are the Father and His Son. Clearly anti-trinitarian. Here is what Ms. White said in direct rebuke to Kellogg and please note this testimony which I will quote from several times. So that we can distinguish what she meant in regards to the word person and that as Willie had come to understand and as she will make clear can also mean personality without bodily form. Such as the bible teaches. The spirit without the body is dead[James 2:26]. The spirit is normally referred to as the characteristics, such as the mind of Christ, the will, the actions, the temperament. The spirit of God and the spirit of Christ. [Romans 8:9]. A living soul needs both the spirit and the body. A spirit without the body is not a living soul. [Gen 2:7]. This is a very important concept and those who teach differently are teaching spiritualism as Ellen White and James White called the three in one trinity or godhead.

I quoted James White earlier saying the Trinity is spiritualistic, is also a heresy brought in privily denying the only Lord God. And I showed that those spiritualistic theories were met by them shortly after 1844. James White called this a spiritualistic theory in 1846, and Ellen White said this was still truth in 1904. So we can know in this next quote that she quotes from John that this quote about antichrist is referring again to the three in one God of the trinity. Modern spiritualism, resting upon the same foundation, is but a revival in a new form of the witchcraft and demon worship that God condemned and prohibited of old. Peter, describing the dangers to which the church was to be exposed in the last days, says that as there were false prophets who led Israel into sin, so there will be false teachers, who privily shallbring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them. And many shall follow their pernicious ways. 2 Peter 2:1, 2. Here the apostle has pointed out one of the marked characteristics of spiritualist teachers. They refuse to acknowledge Christ as the Son of God. Concerning such teachers the beloved John declares: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. 1 John 2:22, 23. Spiritualism, by denying Christ, denies both the Father and the Son, and the Biblepronounces it the manifestation of antichrist. (Ellen White, Patriarchs and Prophets, page 686] The trinity denies that Christ is the literal son. It says that Christ role-played or pretended to be the son. But he was a co-eternal being. This is making God a liar. 1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. Let me quote the Trinitarians to show that they make God a a liar by promoting role playing and acting. And denying the love of God that he gave his only begotten son[1 John 4:9]. Here is one statement of many. In order to eradicate sin and rebellion from the universe and to restore harmony and peace, one of the divine Beings accepted, and entered into, the role of the Father, another the role of the Son. The remaining divine Being, the Holy Spirit, By accepting the roles that the plan entailed, the divine Beings lost none of the powers of Deity. The divine Beings entered into the roles they had agreed upon before the foundations

of the world were laid. (The Week of Prayer issue of theAdventist Review, October 31, 1996) Did you get that? They all pretended. That is making God a liar. Believing not the record that God gave his son. It denies the love of God. It is saying God didnt really give his literal son. But one who pretended to be a son. While he pretended to give his son, however didnt really give anything. It makes God look terrible. As Ellen White said to Kellogg. Ellen White used the word person and personality interchangeably. And I will attach a document that shows that when she was talking to Kellogg in regards to her use of the word third person it can be seen in her original penmanship she actually used the words third personality. This will be attached. Here is what she said in regards to Kelloggs understanding of this matter on the personality of God. Speaking to Kellogg she said. You are not definitely clear on the personality of God, which is everything to us as a people. You have virtually destroyed the Lord God Himself. Letter 300 1903. Also please be sure to distinguish between God and godhead. Godhead is a characteristic of the father and the son. It is not an office of 3 individuals. The Title God is an actual title that refers to the father alone. And the son entered the fathers counsels and in this way came as the eternal God[emmanuel][John 1:1] I will verify this in the following statements. James white said the same thing about the personality of God. Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ,{J. S. White, Review & Herald, December 11, 1855} Again speaking in reference to Kellogg she said. God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, p. 268, March 1904) This again is taken from Testimonies vol. 8 in reference to Kellogg. This is clearly a non-Trinitarian statement coming from the pen of Ellen White. Notice how Christ gained his position. It was Given to him. Who is God? The father. Who is Christ? Gods son. I will analyze this statement further in a few minutes as this statement above is used in the same article that she rebukes Kellogg and mentions the third person of the Godhead and her misused quote of heavenly trio. She was trying to clarify these statements. And reading the above statement in regard to who God is she was very forward. And all of the counsels were opened to him. Christ was God. Make

no mistake. However, how he was God is the question. It is a hard saying for some to understand and many just give up. Because he is not the literal, only, eternal God. This next statement should explain it. The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by himself that Christ should be equal with himself; so that wherever was the presence of his Son, it was as his own presence. His word was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son he had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, January 9, 1879; also in Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 1, pages 18, 19) So Christ came in his fathers name. Christ said if youve seen me youve seen the father[John 14:9] But yet no man has seen God at any time[John 1:18]. A seeming paradox. But yet can be clearly understood when we understand Christ is not the literal, eternal God, but his father is, and that Christ came on behalf of God that where Christ was it was as though his father God were present with us. The quote above also tells us who the great creator is? The father. And his son was the one by whom all things were created[Col 1:16]. There are many points here, that clearly show antitrinitarian teaching, however the subject of this article is the use of the words third person of the godhead. Godhead was clearly a different word than the title God. It is used 3 times in scriptures. It in scriptures refers to the son of God and says in him the fullness of the godhead dwelt bodily. [Col 2:9]. Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God. Now reading this quote and knowing that the fullness of God dwells in us. Does that make us literally God?? No. Obviously not. And this verse actually uses Gods title rather than just the characteristic of God his godhead. This word can mean his divinity. So to understand it, the fullness of divinity dwelt in him bodily. Was it literally God in him? Or was God the father in him by Gods spirit? A careful analysis will bring you to the proper conclusion of what the godhead is. Similar words are used by Peter here in reference to his divinity. However it refers to us again. 2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. So we can see that all things that pertain to godliness that we are partakers of the divity of God. Filled with the fullness of God bodily. Same concept. Is that saying we are God?? No. Clearly not. Now we will go back to an examination of her writings to Kellogg. In the book Living Temple there is presented the alpha of deadly heresies. The omega will follow, and will be received by those who are not willing to heed the warning God has given. [1 SM 200.1} In reference to Kellogg she wrote that this was a deadly heresy as mentioned by her and James White earlier. She called Kelloggs heresy the alpha of deadly heresies and said the omega would soon follow. Now the people who receive it are those who do not heed the warnings. Many dont have no clue about the history of our church. And they are receiving it. So many have the idea that Ms. White began to believe in a trinity. This view she rebukes here. I understood that some were anxious to know if Mrs. White still held the same views that she did years ago when they had heard her speak in the sanitarium grove, in the Tabernacle, and at the camp meetings held in the suburbs of Battle Creek. I assured them that the message she bears today is the same that she has borne during the sixty years of her public ministry. She has the same service to do for the Master that was laid upon her in her girlhood. She receives lessons from the same Instructor. The directions given her are, Make known to others what I have revealed to you. Write out the messages that I give you, that the people may have them. This is what she has endeavored to do. 1 Selected Messages p35. 1906. Same God was with her in 1906 as was in 1846. Same message. So the false assumption that she became Trinitarian is quickly rebuked. Some believe that this took place around the time of Desire of Ages in 1896. In 1898 she said. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted. (Ellen White, The Youths Instructor, July 7, 1898) She only knew of 2 beings that were to be exalted. She knew nothing of a third being.

In order that the human family might have no excuse because of temptation, Christ became one with them. The only beingwho was one with God lived the law in humanity, descended to the lowly life of a common laborer, and toiled at the carpenters bench with his earthly parent. (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, October 14, 1897 par. 3) The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associatea co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:1, 2. Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Fatherone in nature, in character, in purposethe only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6. His goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Micah 5:2. And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting. When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him. Proverbs 8:22-30. (Ellen White, Patriarchs and Prophets, page 34) These quotes are clear in regards to the son being the only being who could enter the counsels of his father who is the only true God[John 17:3-5] It also talks about when Christ was setup or brought forth[begotten]. [Pro 8:22-30]. If the Holy Spirit was a third divine being of a three person God. Then we have to wonder why he was left out. Back to Testimonies vol. 8 and Kellogg she says. Please note her use of the words person as she quotes [Heb 1:1-5] and its interchangeability with the word personality. And also note who is God in all of this. The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the

angels said He at any time, Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten Thee? And again, I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son? Hebrews 1:1-5. God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. Jesus said to the Jews: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. . . . The Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth Him all things that Himself doeth. John 5:17-20. Here again is brought to view the personality of the Father and the Son, showing the unity that exists between them. This unity is expressed also in the seventeenth chapter of John, in the prayer of Christ for His disciples: Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word; that they all may be one; as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me. And the glory which Thou gavest Me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are one: I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent Me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved Me. John 17:20-23. Wonderful statement! The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one. [Ellen White 8 Testimonies Page 268269] Plenty is contained in that statement. She touches on how the father and son are one. They are not one like Trinitarians believe she says. They are one as in how the disciples should be one even as he and his father are one. God and Christ are 2 distinct individuals. Watch as she goes on clearly leaving out the Holy Spirit as a being. Even the angels were not permitted to share the counsels between the Father and the Son when the plan of salvation was laid. Those human beings who seek to intrude into the secrets of the Most High show their ignorance of spiritual and eternal things. Far better might they, while mercys voice is still heard, humble themselves in the dust and plead with God to teach them His ways. {8T 279.2} Are you clear on who God is and who his son is? Or do you still have the same misconception of her use of the word person as John Harvey Kellogg had in the original statement this article begins with?

Heavenly Trio Now, this statement is a very misused statement again. And also another one she was using in reference to John Harvey Kellogg and his book The Living Temple. I would like to read the statements leading up to it and show how she was trying to explain to Kellogg her use of the word third person in Desire of ages. This quote and a couple are others have been taken from there original context to make her say she was Trinitarian. Now I refer you back to Mr. Kellogg first before we continue in this testimony. This testimony is called Special Testimonies Volume B07. The context of the quote can be seen here. http://www.thethirdangelsmessage.com/heavenly_trio_context.php

Now remember Kelloggs misunderstanding of the use of the word person. Then we will read Ellen Whites reply. John Harvey Kellogg wrote to G. I Butler on Oct 28th 1903 concerning The Living Temple he wrote. As far as I can fathom, the difficulty which is found in the Living Temple, the whole thing may be simmered down to this question: is the Holy Ghost a person. You say no. I had supposed the Bible said this for the reason that the personal pronoun he is used in speaking of the Holy Ghost. Sister White uses the pronoun he and has said in as many words that the Holy Ghost is the third person of the Godhead. How the Holy Ghost can be the third person and not be a person at all is difficult for me to see. He couldnt see his mistake like many today. But he knew it simmered down to his belief on whether the Holy Ghost was a third being. So here Ms. White again explains. I have not been able to sleep during the past night. Letters have come to me with statements made by men who claimed to have asked Dr. Kellogg if he believes the testimonies that Sister White bears. He declares that he does, but he does not. He sent a sensible letter to me while I was at Melrose, Mass., saying, I have surrendered, But

he has not spoken or acted as a man who has surrendered. He has felt bitterness of soul against the Lords appointed agencies who have occupied the position of president of the General Conference. He has hated them. Has he surrendered that gall of bitterness? The Lord will not accept anything that he affirms which is false. [SpTB07 Page 61] The former General Conference President here was likely G.I Butler. The one which Kellogg was referring to in the above statement in regard to the correction that the Holy Ghost was not a person like Kellogg believed it to be. So we can see Ms. White was in harmony with G.I. Butler. Lets continue this testimony from Ms. White. She goes on to quote from Kelloggs book a few statements in regards to his understanding of who God is. I am instructed to say, The sentiments of those who are searching for advanced scientific ideas are not to be trusted. Such representations as the following are made: The Father is as the light invisible; the Son is as the light embodied; the Spirit is the light shed abroad. The Father is like the dew, invisible vapor; the Son is like the dew gathered in beauteous form; the Spirit is like the dew fallen to the seat of life. Another representation: The Father is like the invisible vapor; the Son is like the leaden cloud; the Spirit is rain fallen and working in refreshing power. All these spiritualistic representations are simply nothingness. They are imperfect, untrue. They weaken and diminish the Majesty which no earthly likeness can be compared to. God can not be compared with the things His hands have made. These are mere earthly things, suffering under the curse of God because of the sins of man. The Father can not be described by the things of earth. The Father is all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. {SpTB07 62} She goes on to say much more. Notice above she talks about the father only as God. Now here is where we see who God is clearly. The Son is all the fulness of the Godhead manifested. The Word of God declares Him to be the express image of His person. God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Here is shown the personality of the Father. [SpTB07 63.1}

The express image of his person. Then she says God gave his son. She refers fully to God as the father. And she says this is the personality of the father. The keywords person and personality. And also God and Godhead. God is none other than the father. God is never referred to in reference to third person. However she does go on to say. And this is where some are confused. Be sure you are clear on her use of the word person as she just used it in the previous paragraph and also Kelloggs misuse of the word person and why he is being rebuked before reading this next statement. The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fulness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-- those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ. . . .{SpTB07 63.2} So there we see a trio of power. We know that we have God the father, Christ the son of God, and the Holy Spirit which is manifested in the person of his saints. I will go into this and her use of the word person with reference to the spirit. I am the way, the truth, and the life," Christ declares: "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6). Christ is invested with power to give life to all creatures. "As the living Father hath sent me," He says, "and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me." "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life" (John 6:57, 63). Christ is not here referring to His doctrine, but to His person, the divinity of His character. "Verily, verily, I say unto you," He says again, "The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man" (John 5:25-27). {1SM 249.3} Ok. So you can see that the Jesus is referring to the spirit which is his Christs person. He is referring to himself in the third person. I want to continue this a little further and hopefully this will really be brought home to you. So you can see her use of the word person there. It is a characteristic. Please take your time with these statements as they will really bring home the understanding. I want to quote something and show who it is in reference to Christ

referring to himself in the third person as the comforter. But yet in another manifestation and show that Ms. White new that this comforter was Christ himself and how the disciples had a hard time fathoming this. These are hard sayings so we must consider them carefully. Then afterwards I will expose her understanding plainly. Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. In this statement you can see that the comforter was dwelling with them. The comforter also would soon be in them. However Jesus said in John 16:7 almost 2 chapters later that the comforter had not yet been sent to them. So who was dwelling with them?? It was Christ himself. And this is plainly revealed in the very next verse. Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. So he is the comforter. Ellen White elaborates on this passage of scriptures a little bit. Let me quote her. That Christ should manifest Himself to them, and yet be invisible to the world, was a mystery to the disciples. They could not understand the words of Christ in their spiritual sense. They were thinking of the outward, visible manifestation. They could not take in the fact that they could have the presence of Christ with them, and yet He [Christ]be unseen by the world. They did not understand the meaning of a spiritual manifestation. {SW, September 13, 1898 par. 2} We can see that the third person of the Godhead is the divinity of his character. And it would be manifest in his disciples. John called it the spirit of truth. 1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. We can see here again that every spirit that is of God is that spirit of truth. So now we can understand John 16:13 much more clearly with this understanding.

Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. So the he here can refer to Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh including you or me. Isnt it amazing when the word and the quotes are rightly divided. This is what Ms. White says to further this concept. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himselfdivested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 14, pages 23, 24; written February 18 and 19, 1895) So now we see it is Christ in us in another manifestation to his people, by his people. Therefore Christ works through us as well as through his word, through his angels or through whoever has that holy spirit. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. And a Holy spirit will understand with investigation and a willingness to hear Gods word they will see the truth on the third person of the Godhead. Lets close this article with some clarity now as to who our comforter is. And at the end I will ask you the question. Who is your comforter? When Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by His Spirit the minister of the church on earth. He is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but His parting promise is fulfilled, Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Matt. 28:20. {DA 166.2} Christ is with us Amen. He represents himself. The Holy spirit is himself. Not by a being, but by his character, his will, his actions, his life in us. It is the indwelling of Christ in the soul, the development of his spirit in the life. The Christian experience is a constant effort to conform the human will to the will of Christ, and to form the character according to the divine model. {RH, January 24, 1882 par. 3} ..the holy Spirit is the comforter, as the personal presence of Christ to the soul. {RH, November 29, 1892 par. 3} The spirit is clearly not someone else in us.

The Lord knows all about His faithful servants who for His sake are lying in prison or who are banished to lonely islands. He comforts them with His own presence {DA 669.3} Praise God we can know our comforter. He is the one who came in this flesh, and the one who can comfort us in our infirmities. and we adore God for His wondrous love in giving Jesus the comforter.{19MR 297.3} The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 8, page 49} The nights are long and painful, but Jesus is my Comforterand my Hope. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 19, page 296) Christ is everything to those who receive Him. He is their Comforter, their safety, their healthfulness. Apart from Christ there is no light at all. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 21, page 372) There is no comforter like Christ, so tender and so true. He is touched with the feeling of our infirmities. His Spirit speaks to the heart. The influence of the Holy Spirit is the life of Christ in the soul. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, October 26, 1897) Amen. Who is your comforter now is the question? If you dont know him you may not receive his power to have the victory that overcometh the world. Many ask for the spirit but they dont receive. They ask amiss. They ask for something that they dont understand. They ask for God to force them into obedience rather than for understanding of the Holy spirit and its power to overcome all hereditary tendencies. They ask for an unholy spirit if this is what they think of God. That he would ever take away our free will. A misconception of who God is leads to a lack of love in the heart, and in turn no power of the Holy spirit to overcome sin. The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the Comforter, as one who reproves, who warns, who admonishes them, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, August 26, 1890, also in Reflecting Christ, page 21)

There Hath Been No Latter Rain; And Thou Hadst a Whores Forehead Prophecy, Truth About God Add comments A Whores Forehead No Latter Rain because of following other Gods James 5:17 Elijah was a man subject to like passions as we are, and he prayed earnestly that it might not rain: and it rained not on the earth by the space of three years and six months. What is it that had caused no rain in Elijahs day according to scriptures? The law tells us that if we follow other Gods there will be no rain in the seasons. In Elijahs day, all Israel had gone after BAAL. Deuteronomy 11:16-17 Take heed to yourselves, that your heart be not deceived, and ye turn aside, and serve other gods, and worship them; And then the LORDs wrath be kindled against you, and he shut up the heaven, that there be no rain, and that the land yield not her fruit; and lest ye perish quickly from off the good land which the LORD giveth you. So in Elijahs day there was no rain as Gods word had said because they followed other Gods. The word of God is self fulfilling. After three and a half years Elijah was sent to apostate Israel. He was sent to let them know that they were ignorantly worshipping the wrong God. 1Ki 18:1 And it came to pass after many days, that the word of the LORD came to Elijah in the third year, saying, Go, show thyself unto Ahab; and I will send rain upon the earth. Elijah, after three and a half years and no rain in Israel because of serving other Gods, was sent into Israel to point the apostate people to the true God. What is it that must be done first before the rain can be received? Lets see what God tells us through the prophet Hosea: Hos 6:1, 3, 6 Come, and let us return unto the LORD: for he hath torn, and he will heal us; he hath smitten, and he will bind us up.Then shall we know, if we follow on

to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings. Knowledge of the True God would bring the latter and former rain Hos 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee What knowledge are they rejecting? Well lets see the context of this verse. Hosea 4:1 Hear the word of the LORD, ye children of Israel: for the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land. They dont know who God is. This is the knowledge they reject. Their God is a mystery to them. The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the catholic church. Upon it are based all the teachings of the church[Handbook for todays Catholic Page 11] Do you know your God if he is a mystery to you? All of the teachings of Babylon are based on the Trinity this quote above says. Again how important is knowledge of God to us? Jesus told us. Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. Knowledge of God and his son Jesus Christ is eternal life. But this mystery God is confusing many into not understanding who our God is. 2Pe 1:2-3 Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God, and of Jesus our Lord, According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: All things that pertain to life and godliness come from knowledge of God. This is why this is the first and great commandment. Lack of knowledge of God is what people are

destroyed from. This is eternal life to know him. And the willful ignorance of this knowledge of God is what will destroy them. Are you ready to give up a doctrine if scripture does not support it? Are you willing to be a Berean and search the scriptures with all readiness of mind.[Acts 17:11] Notice that when we return to know Jehovah that rain would come. Knowledge of God is something that will bring the rain on the earth. Elijah was pointing the people towards knowledge of the true God. What will happen after the people turn to the true God of Israel from worship of the false God. 1Ki 18:39,41 And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces: and they said, The LORD, he is the God; the LORD, he is the GodAnd Elijah said unto Ahab, Get thee up, eat and drink; for there is a sound of abundance of rain. They stopped halting between two opinions and turned to the true God, and shortly following Elijah could hear the rain. So we can see that if we return to the LORD who is YHWH or Jehovah the God and father of Jesus Christ this will bring the latter rain. Apostasy in Modern Israel Jer 2:11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? but my people have changed their glory for that which doth not profit. The question is answered by our modern theologians who have changed their gods: Adventist beliefs have changed over the years the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by the early Adventists. (William G. Johnsson in the Adventist Review, Jan. 6, 1994 p.10) Jeremiah goes on to prophecy what this changing of Gods was symbolic of. Jer 3:3 Therefore the showers have been withholden, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whores forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed. We will look at this prophecy more closely in a second. What does the rain symbolize for us today?

The rain is a symbol of the Holy spirit. In the East the former rain falls at the sowing time. It is necessary in order that the seed may germinate. Under the influence of the fertilizing showers the tender shoot springs up. The latter rain, falling near the close of the season, ripens the grain and prepares it for the sickle. If you read [Revelation 14:14-20], you will notice the earth is reaped after the 3 angels of [Revelation 14:6-13]. The Third Angels Message is the latter rain message. The latter rain of the Holy Spirit prepares the children of God for the second coming ripening them for the harvest at the end of the world. Joe 2:23,28 Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month.And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions: The latter rain of his Holy Spirit will seal Gods people the 144,000 of Revelation 14 before the close of probation. Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

The former rain was to fall at sowing time which happened at Pentecost in AD 31 with the apostles. This prophecy of the falling of Gods spirit from heaven was fulfilled. Act 2:16-18 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: The latter rain is falling in the form of the true third angels message to prepare the earth for the sickle to separate the wheat from the tares at the end of the world.[Matt 13:39,40] Which will come when they turn back to know Jehovah. Hos 6:3 Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth. This message of restoration to worship of the true God is the latter rain message. The General Conference body of Adventists appear to many to be teaching this message, they may even have a revival of sorts which manifests miracles even, however, we are not to be deceived. They are praying for rain, they may even be doing an Indian rain dance, but yet the bible tells us what to do to receive it, and they rather are becoming entrenched further in this error. They are worshipping the God of Babylon. The bible tells us what would cause the latter rain to be withheld. What is it that withholds the rain? Following false Gods. Jer 3:3 Therefore the showers have been withheld, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whores forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed. Gods name in our Forehead Now we did read in Deutoronomy 11 that if we follow after other gods the rain would be withheld from us. Jeremiah likens this to having a whores forehead.

The name of our one God the father is written on our foreheads. What name is written on the forehead of the 144,000? Revelation 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Zion, and with him a hundred forty and four thousand, having his Fathers name written in their foreheads. The name of the God of the 144,000. The name of the God of Jesus and our God.[Rev 3:9, John 20:17] The fathers name, the only true God[John 17:3]. Jehovah. Rev 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name. Who is his God? Joh 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. The rain is withheld from the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists because they worship a false God. Because they have the name of the God of the whore of Babylon written on her forehead. No latter rain because of a whores forehead.[Jer 3:3] What is the name of the God of Babylon? The MYSTERY OF THE TRINITY is the central doctrine of the catholic church. Upon it are based all the teachings of the church[Handbook for todays Catholic Page 11] The MYSTERY of the Trinity is the name of her God. Now if we were to look for the name of the God of the whore and now knowing that the forehead represents the God this church worships, we would likely find the name of her God written on her forehead. Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT MYSTERY, great confusion. The Hebrew word Babel or Babylon actually means confusion. The trinity is the great confusion. The

General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists actually accepted it, but claim their Trinity is different than the Catholic Trinity. Is this not great confusion? Why would they use the same name, but yet say they worship a different God? In fact, you can ask a number of people and almost every one of them has a different view of which there God is. Is it not rightly called Confusion the great? Jeremiah 3:3 Therefore the showers have been withheld, and there hath been no latter rain; and thou hadst a whores forehead, thou refusedst to be ashamed. Worshiping a false God is a symbol of a whores forehead, and there is no rain in Israel because they worship a false God which is what Jeremiah prophesied by saying the rain is withheld because of a whores forehead[Jer 3:3] . Elijah would restore worship to the only true God, the father, restoring the altar of the LORD. Fear God and give glory to him worship Him[Rev 14:6] we are to worship the father in spirit and in truth(John 4:23, 24) and this would bring the latter rain outpouring of the Holy spirit which would ripen the earth for harvest and the sickle which will divide the wheat from the tares. This is happening today in modern Israel. The rain is falling all around, but many dont recognize it and they say it is from Satan. Like Elijah these people giving this message are called Troublers of Israel. They will be called dividers but they speak the truths of Gods word and will faithfully give the last message. 1Ki 18:17 And it came to pass, when Ahab saw Elijah, that Ahab said unto him, Art thou he that troubleth Israel? 1Kings 18:18 And he answered, I have not troubled Israel; but thou, and thy fathers house, in that ye have forsaken the commandments of the LORD, and thou hast followed Baalim. What is the greatest commandment in scripture? Mark 12:29, 32, 34 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: .And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: .. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God.

None other God but he. HE is singular. When the scribe answered Jesus, Jesus didnt answer back to the scribe and say. Actually sir, God is a trio, or a trinity. And Im actually part of it or did he say its called a godhead, and I am the second individual of three co-eternal beings that actually make up God. No. Jesus didnt say that. He said Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. So understanding that the Lord our God is a HE and not an IT or a THEY brings you that much closer to the kingdom of God. This is the first and great commandment. There is not a greater. Not even the Sabbath is more important than this commandment. This doctrine shows Gods love for us. The God of the Sabbath is greater than the Sabbath. And if you worship a false God, you will receive the same mark as those in Babylon. Judges 2:17 And yet they would not hearken unto their judges, but they went a whoring after other gods, and bowed themselves unto them: they turned quickly out of the way which their fathers walked in, obeying the commandments of the LORD; but they did not so.

The Deadliest Heresy in Seventh Day Adventism The OMEGA Pioneers, Prophecy, Spirit of Prophecy, Truth About God Add comments

A prophecy was given 100 years ago by Ellen G. White. It was called the Omega of Deadly Heresies. It was prophesied after a book was published by John Harvey Kellogg called The Living Temple. In the book Living Temple there is presented the alpha of deadly heresies. The omega will follow, and will be received by those who are not willing to heed the warning God has given. {Ellen White 1 Selected Messages 203} God gave a warning to us that this omega of deadly heresies would follow. This was a certainty. Not a few would receive it who did not heed the warnings given with respect to the Alpha. It is a deadly heresy. Death comes with this heresy. What was the Heresy of the Alpha in regards to?

Living Temple contains the alpha of these theories. I knew that the omega would follow in a little while; and I trembled for our people. I knew that I must warn our brethren and sisters not to enter into controversy over the presence and personality of God. {Ellen White 1 Selected Messages 203} The Omega was surely coming in a little while. This heresy was in regards to the Presence and Personality of God. One and another come to me, asking me to explain the positions taken in Living Temple. I reply, They are unexplainable. The sentiments expressed do not give a true knowledge of God. {Ellen White 1 Selected Messages 202} What does a false knowledge of God bring? Death. Kelloggs understanding of the personality of God brought death. A true knowledge of God is eternal life. Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. There is not a greater commandment then the first and great commandment. To know God is life eternal. To have a false knowledge of God is death, and deadly ,the greatest heresy can only be the opposite of the greatest commandment. Mar 12:29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: The first of all commandments is to hear that the Lord our God is one Lord. And it is eternal life to know him, the only true God and father of Jesus Christ. The Omega would be a major Change in our Religion Enter the Trinity In the prophesy regarding the alpha and omega Ellen White prophesied that a major change would take place in our religion. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. {Ellen White 1 Selected Messages 204} According to some of our modern Seventh Day Adventist scholars and historical facts. What change has taken place in our religion?

Adventist beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of present truth. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord. Many of the pioneers, including James White, J.N. Andrews, Uriah Smith, and J.H. Waggoner, held to an Arian or semi-Arian view that is, the Son at some point in time before the Creation of our world was generated by the Father the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by the early Adventists. Even today a few do not subscribe to it. (William G. Johnsson in the Adventist Review, Jan. 6, 1994 p.10) So our Fundamental Principles have been changed. The Trinity which is now part of our Fundamental Beliefs was not the same God that our pioneers worshipped. It was not the same God that our pioneers were proclaiming to the world in the first angels message. According to modern Adventists our pioneers were fearing and giving glory to another God. In giving the message to fear God and give glory to Himworship Him(Rev 14:7). They were telling the Churches in Babylon(Rev 14:8) to worship the wrong God according to most modern day Adventist teachers. Is this true that our pioneers were worshipping the wrong gods? Or have our leaders turned to the gods of Babylon? Jer 2:11 Hath a nation changed their gods, which are yet no gods? Has a denomination changed their gods, which are yet no gods? The Trinity Destroys the Personality of God The controversy with Kellogg was over the presence and personality of God. Ellen said to Kellogg: You are not definitely clear on the personality of God, which is everything to us as a people. You have virtually destroyed the Lord God Himself. Letter 300 1903. The Personality of God is EVERYTHING to US as a people. This is not a minor issue, this is not a distraction or secondary doctrine. Destroying who our God is destroys the gospel. How had Kellogg come to destroy the Personality of God? What was the change that was taking place in Adventism? Ellen White pointed Kellogg to the pioneers including her husband.

Many of our people do not realize how firmly the foundation of our faith has been laid. My husband, Elder Joseph Bates, Father Pierce, Elder {Hiram} Edson, and othersWhat influence is it would lead men at this stage of our history to work in an underhand, powerful way to tear down the foundation of our faiththe foundation that was laid at the beginning of our work by prayerful study of the Word and by revelation? Upon this foundation we have been building for the past fifty years. {Ellen White 1 Selected Messages 206-7} Regarding the Alpha, Ellen was asking what would cause men to destroy the foundation of our faith regarding our understandings of the personality of God. In referring Kelloggs understanding regarding the personality of God. Ellen pointed Kellogg back to our pioneers including her husband. Why was Kellogg being pointed back to men like her Husband? Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ. (James White, December 11, 1855,Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 11, page 85, par. 16) The Trinity destroys the personality of God. Kellogg had come to believe in a trinity. Famous Adventist J.N. Andrews wrote about the trinity and how it destroyed the personality of God as well. The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. . {J. N. Andrews, Review & Herald, March 6, 1855} It was also called a Spiritualistic Theory that denies the Father and Son It is something that cannot be treated as a small matter that men who have had so much light, and such clear evidence as to

the genuineness of the truth we hold, should become unsettled, and led to accept spiritualistic theories regarding the personality of God. (Special Testimonies, Series B7, p. 37) A damnable and spiritualistic heresy that denies a literal Father and Son. Modern spiritualism, resting upon the same foundation, is but a revival in a new form of the witchcraft and demon worship that God condemned and prohibited of old. Peter, describing the dangers to which the church was to be exposed in the last days, says that as there were false prophets who led Israel into sin, so there will be false teachers, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them. And many shall follow their pernicious ways. 2 Peter 2:1, 2. Here the apostle has pointed out one of the marked characteristics of spiritualist teachers. They refuse to acknowledge Christ as the Son of God. Concerning such teachers the beloved John declares: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. 1 John 2:22, 23. Spiritualism, by denying Christ, denies both the Father and the Son, and the Bible pronounces it the manifestation of antichrist. (Ellen White, Patriarchs and Prophets, page 686) Spiritualitic teachers refuse to acknowledge Christ as the Son of God, and God as the Father of Christ. The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed(James White, January 24, 1846, The Day Star) The Spiritualistic Trinity destroys the truth about the Father giving his Son. This is why it is deadly. The Trinity teaches us that God has divided himself into 3 beings and all 3 have taken roles, or acted out the parts of Father, Son and Holy Ghost. This is a denial of the literal Sonship of Christ and thus Spiritualism. Christ not God in personality He [Kellogg] told me that he now believed in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost; (Letter by A. G. Daniells to W. C. White on October 29, 1903) Kellogg believed in God the Son. We will never find that term used in the bible or the Spirit of Prophecy. In fact the Spirit of Prophecy teaches quite the opposite. The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father, is truly God in infinity, but not in personality. (Ellen White UL 367 )

Christ is not God in personality. Christ is identified as The Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of the Father. The identity of Christ is a pillar of our faith and she makes it clear in that quote that Christ is: 1. Lord 1. The only begotten son of the father 1. Not God in personality Christ is one with the father, but Christ and God are two distinct personages(RH June 1, 1905) If Christ is not God in personality or identity, then who is? The bible CLEARLY Tells us. The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268) Christ entered into Gods counsels. God is the Father of Christ, not a Trinity. God is not Christ, Christ is not God in respect to personality or individuality. They are two distinct individuals and personalities according to the above quote. Some might object and say that the bible says Christ is God. And the above quote does say he is God. This is in regard to his nature, but not in regard to his identity. Or in other words it Is in regards to WHAT Christ is, not WHO Christ is. Christ also came in his Fathers name. God is the Father of Christ alone. 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. The bible does not teach that to us there is but one God a Father, Son and Holy Ghost. It is a heresy to say Christ is God himself, not only heresy, but it is of the Omega of Deadly heresies. God is the Father of Christ.

When did Christ become the Son of God? Did they all decide at one point to pick straws and decide who of the three co-equals in the Trinity would be The Son of God? Is this how Christ became the Son? Modern Adventists have been saying that they decided to accept roles. In other words that God is 3 actors or pretenders. In order to eradicate sin and rebellion from the universe and to restore harmony and peace, one of the divine Beings accepted, and entered into, the role of the Father, another the role of the Son. The remaining divine Being, the Holy Spirit, By accepting the roles that the plan entailed, the divine Beings lost none of the powers of Deity. The divine Beings entered into the roles they had agreed upon before the foundations of the world were laid. (The Week of Prayer issue of the Adventist Review, October 31, 1996) That is heresy. And it is a deadly heresy, that destroys the love and truth of the gospel. The truth is God begat a Son in the ages of eternity. The dedication of the first-born had its origin in the earliest times. God had promised to give the First-born of heaven to save the sinner. {The Desire of Ages, p. 51} Christ was born in heaven in earliest times. Can the finite mind explain when that was? Angels of God looked with amazement upon Christ, who took upon Himself the form of man and humbly united His divinity with humanity in order that He might minister to fallen man. It is a marvel among the heavenly angels. God has told us that He did do it, and we are to accept the Word of God just as it reads. And although we may try to reason in regard to our Creator, how long He has had existence, where evil first entered into our world, and all these things, we may reason about them until we fall down faint and exhausted with the research when there is yet an infinity beyond. {E. G. White, S.D.A. Bible Commentary Vol. 7, p. 919} 1888 It is not for us to explain as to how long he has had his existence. Can a man explain eternity or the Spiritual realm? EJ Waggoner explained Christs beginning this way echoing the sentiments of Ellen White. As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it in these words, But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings

forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity. Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning (E. J. WaggonerChrist and His Righteousness, pp. 21, 22). Jesus was setup from everlasting, from eternity. He was brought forth before creation since by him was all things created. The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by him as his right. This was no robbery of God. The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, he declares, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth; while as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth. {E. G. White, Review and Herald, April 5, 1906 par. 7} Why is the Trinity So Deadly? Why is this heresy so deadly? It denies the love of a real Father who really gave to Christ all things. It denies everything our Father gave to Christ, then after this it denies everything that was given to us since it denies that Christ was the literal Son of God. This takes away from the love of God, and cannot transform the character. The bible says By beholding we become changed. If our God is actually 3 persons role playing and acting, then the children of this God are beholding a pretend Father, thus they will become pretend children and pretend Christians. There is nothing in this heresy that has any converting power. 1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Behold the love of God the Father, the only true God in giving to us his literal only begotten Son and have eternal life rather than accepting a heresy that will only bring with it eternal death.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. The Father was greater than the Son in that he was first. The Son was equal with the Father in that he had received all things from the Father (James White, The Review & Herald, January 4, 1881). To Summarize: 1. The Omega Is a DEADLY heresy 1. It destroys the Personality and Presence of God 1. It was coming in a little while 1. The Trinity destroys the personality of God 1. It was a spiritualistic heresy in that it denies the literal Father Son relationship. 1. The Trinity is a Spiritualistic heresy 1. Christ is not God in personality 1. God and Christ are distinct individuals and personalities 1. True Knowledge of God is eternal Life 1. The Religion has been Changed Truth About God Foundation and Pillars Changed Omega Video The Comforter Christ NOT God in personality gods of Babylon Video James White on the Trinity EJ Waggoner on the Trinity Ellen White on the Trinity Pioneers on the Trinity Posts Related to The Deadliest Heresy in Seventh Day Adventism - The OMEGA

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of the identity of Christ as the Son of God. Most Adventists today will confess they believe Christ is the Son of God. HOWEVER, the early Adventists were truly the Church of the FIRSTBORN(Heb 12:23, 24, see also Matthew 16:16-18, DA 413) First-born of Heaven in Earliest Times: The dedication of the first-born had its origin in the earliest times. God had promised to give the First-born of heaven to save the sinner. {Ellen White The Desire of Ages, p. 51} Most Adventists today have rejected the notion that Christ is the First-born of heaven. Many spiritualize it away and it is considered heresy to them. In todays handbook 28 fundamental beliefs of Seventh-day Adventists it is taught that Christ is part of a unity of three co-eternal beings and that is Fundamental Belief #2 Jesus said to some of the Pharisees, who professed to be children of God and children of Abraham that if they were the children of God they would believe that Christ came out of God by birth. You will find it hard to find many Adventists who believe the following passage refers to the birth of Christ. However we will see that Ellen White clearly did: John 8:41-42 KJV Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God. (42) Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Jesus just said he came out of his Father. This is all about his relationship to the Father. It looks like Jesus is saying that God is his Father, so much so, that Jesus literally proceeded forth and came from him Some will try to interpret this verse as referring to Him coming down from heaven. But this article is about Ellen Whites take and she says it referred to his birth. And it doesnt say He proceeded forth and came from Mary. Ellen White on John 8:42 Referring to Christs Birth Jesus denied that the Jews were children of Abraham. He said, Ye do the deeds of your father. In mockery they answered, We be not born of fornication; we have one

Father, even God. These words, in allusion to the circumstances of His birth, were intended as a thrust against Christ in the presence of those who were beginning to believe on Him. Jesus gave no heed to the base insinuation, but said, If God were your Father, ye would love Me: for I proceeded forth and came from God. {Ellen White Desire of Ages page 467} Ellen says this verse in John 8:42 is an allusion to the circumstances of His birth. There is no way around this one. It cant be used to refer to his earthly birth because the verse says I proceeded forth and came from God. He is talking about His relationship with His Father in heaven. Further we have another who Ellen described as a messenger of the Lord that was sent to Seventh-day Adventists who was saying the same thing about this verse in John 8:42: As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it in these words, But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity. Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning (E. J. Waggoner Christ and His Righteousness, pp. 21, 22). There was a time in eternity when Christ came forth or proceeded forth from God. Notice also that Waggoner quotes Micah 5:2 here. The word used in this verse is His goings forth. Its very similar to proceeded forth(John 8:42) and also I came forth(John 16:33). The actual word in Micah 5:2 is origins. And it can be read His origin is from everlasting or He originated in eternity. He is the Eternal Son of God. Some may have a problem with me using the word Eternal here. However a s an Adventist if youve studied the word Eternal it doesnt always mean without beginning or without ending. Unless you are an Adventist who believes in the doctrine of Eternal torment or Eternal Fire. Thats another study, angels are eternal, and you will be as well should you prevail, but the point is Waggoner speaks of Micah 5:2 as referring to the birth of Christ. And Ill post a quote where Ellen uses Micah 5:2 in a similar manner when referring to the birth of Christ.

His goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Micah 5:2. And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting. When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him. Proverbs 8:22-30. (Ellen White,Patriarchs and Prophets, page 34) She is quoting Micah 5:2 with Proverbs 8:22-30. These verses she is alluding to also talk about Christ being brought forth. Proverbs 8:23-25 I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. (24) When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. (25) Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: Brought forth(Proverbs 8:23, 24, twice) Goings forth(Micah 5:2) Proceeded forth(John 8:42) Came forth(John 16:28) Christ in this passage is not talking about when he came forth from Mary, or his resurrection. He tells us in this passage it is before creation. He spent time with the Father and His Father taught him things as one brought up with Him(Pro 8:30) Jesus says. Its beautiful when we understand that the traits, the character, the glory, the beauty, the loveliness, the sacrifice all were traits given by his Father, and my Father, His God and my God.(See John 17:3-8, John 20:17). This is how God wants us to see Him. Regarding Christ being co-eternal, this was considered an extreme view by some of our pioneers including EJ Waggoner as documented below, and he tells us it wasobviously out of harmony with the language of scripture.

In arguing the perfect equality of the Father and the Son, and the fact that Christ is in very nature God, we do not design to be understood as teaching that the Father was not before the Son. It should not be necessary to guard this point, lest some should think that the Son existed as soon as the Father; yet some go to that extreme, which adds nothing to the dignity of Christ, but rather detracts from the honor due him, since many throw the whole thing away rather than accept a theory so obviously out of harmony with the language of Scripture, that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. He was begotten, not created. He is of the substance of the Father, so that in his very nature he is God; and since this is so it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell. Col. 1:19 While both are of the same nature, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while Christs personality had a beginning (E. J. Waggoner, The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1889). Ellen White further pointed out in almost the same words as Waggoner that believing Christ was born in eternity does not mean He was created. Notice carefully the following quote. It refers to Christs birth. And He was born in the form of God, with the same characteristics as God. This is not referring to when he took the form of a man and was born of Mary as we shall see by carefully comparing the quote I follow with. A complete offering has been made; for God so loved the world, that he gave his onlybegotten Son,not a son by creation, as were the angels, nor a son by adoption, as is the forgiven sinner, but a Son begotten in the express image of the Fathers person, and in all the brightness of his majesty and glory, one equal with God in authority, dignity, and divine perfection. In him dwelt all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, May 30, 1895) He was begotten in the express image of the Fathers person Compare this with the following, when did Christ exist in the express image of God?:

Before Christ came in the likeness of men, he existed in the express image of his Father. (Ellen White, Youths Instructor, December 20, 1900) Not when He came in the likeness of men, but BEFORE he came in the likeness of men he was begotten in the express image of God. Only by reading far to fast will we miss these points. Why is this so important? Its important because when we deny this truth we deny who our Father is and what He had to sacrifice. A real Son. We deny the unselfishness of Father in filling the Son with the fullness of himself. We deny Gods love in giving his only begotten Son. 1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Jesus is the most beautiful Son the world will ever see. But Jesus didnt come to glorify himself. He came to glorify the Father. The Father glorified the Son. When we read books like the gospel and epistles of John with this understanding, the pages explode into our minds the beautiful love that was given to mankind. This is what this is all about. Its not about being right, or proving self is right, trying to win a debate, or anything like that when you see this. Its about sharing something that will help you see your Father in such a different light than the mystifying Trinity can ever do. This is what its all about. Or at least all that it should be about. Gods love and His character, giving glory to Him(Revelation 14:7): 1Jn 4:9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. We can take those words literally or we can spiritualize them away. But we were warned of this. As to explaining when Christ existed from, all we know is he existed in eternity. Eternity is not measured in numbers. We cant explain eternity. Its like explaining where the end of the universe and all matter stops. Its incomprehensible to our finite mind as EJ Waggoner said above. Ellen White tells us the very same thing:

The Lord Jesus Christ, the divine Son of God, existed from eternity, a distinct person, yet one with the Father. He was the surpassing glory of heaven. He was the commander of the heavenly intelligences, and the adoring homage of the angels was received by him as his right. This was no robbery of God. The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, he declares, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth; while as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth. {E. G. White, Review and Herald, April 5, 1906 par. 7} As to when He was born, it is not for us to inquire, and even if we were told our minds could not grasp it. All we know is he was brought forth before mountains, hills, the fountains of waters and before the preparation of the heavens. Angels of God looked with amazement upon Christ, who took upon Himself the form of man and humbly united His divinity with humanity in order that He might minister to fallen man. It is a marvel among the heavenly angels. God has told us that He did do it, and we are to accept the Word of God just as it reads. And although we may try to reason in regard to our Creator, how long He has had existence, where evil first entered into our world, and all these things, we may reason about them until we fall down faint and exhausted with the research when there is yet an infinity beyond. {E. G. White, S.D.A. Bible Commentary Vol. 7, p. 919} 1888 As far as how long he had his existence, its not for us to explain. All we know is that God said it and that there was a time so far back in eternity, it is not for us to explain, and we are take our Father at His word, that He really had a Son to give, and this is not a show or an act. It was a hard thing for the Father to give the one that he brought up, showed all things to, and gave everything to including the glory and throne.

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Is Christ a created being? Before passing to some of the practical lessons that are to be learned from these truths, we must dwell for a few moments upon an opinion that is honestly held by many who would not for any consideration willingly dishonor Christ, but who, through that opinion, do actually deny His Divinity. It is the idea that Christ is a created being, who, through the good pleasure of God, was elevated to His present lofty position.No one who holds this view can possibly have any just

conception of the exalted position which Christ really occupies. The view in question is built upon a misconception of a single text, Rev. 3:14: And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God.This is wrongly interpreted to mean that Christ is the first being that God createdthat Gods work of creation began with Him. But this view antagonizes the scripture which declares that Christ Himself created all things. To say that God began His work of creation by creating Christ is to leave Christ entirely out of the work of creation. The word rendered beginning is arche, meaning, as well, head or chief. It occurs in the name of the Greek ruler, Archon, in archbishop and the word archangel. Take this last word. Christ is the archangel. See Jude 9; 1 Thess. 4:16; John 5:28, 29; Dan. 10:21. This does not mean that He is the first of the angels, for He is not an angel but is above them. Heb. 1:4. It means that He is the chief or prince of the angels, just as an archbishop is the head of the bishops. Christ is the commander of the angels. See Rev. 19:14-19. He created the angels. Col. 1:16. And so the statement that He is the beginning or head of the creation of God means that in Him creation had its beginning;

that, as He Himself says, He is Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev. 21:6; 22:13. He is the source whence all things have their origin. Neither should we imagine that Christ is a creature, because Paul calls Him (Col. 1:15) The First-born of every creature for the very next verses show Him to be Creator and not a creature. For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things were created by Him, and for Him and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. Now if He created everything that was ever created and existed before all created things, it is evident that He Himself is not among created things. He is above all creation and not a part of it. The Scriptures declare that Christ is the only begotten son of God. He is begotten, not created. As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it in these words, But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity. Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning. But the point is that Christ is a begotten Son and not a created subject. He has by inheritance a more excellent name than the angels; He is a Son over His own house. Heb. 1:4; 3:6. And since He is the only-begotten son of God, He is of the very substance and nature of God and possesses by birth all the attributes of God, for the Father was pleased that His Son should be the express image of His Person, the brightness of His glory, and filled with all the fullness of the Godhead. So He has life in Himself. He possesses immortality in His own right and can confer immortality upon others. Life inheres in Him, so that it cannot be taken from Him, but having voluntarily laid it down, He can take it again. His words are these: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. John 10:17, 18. (E. J. Waggoner, 1890, Christ and His Righteousness, pages 19-22) Taken from the book Christ our Righteousness Also see: EJ Waggoner on the Trinity Pioneers on the Trinity

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Mystery Something that baffles understanding and cannot be explained(winword

dictionary) Revelation The speech act of making something evident(winword dictionary) 2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: God gave us all things that pertain unto godliness through knowledge of him. 1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. How was God manifest? Joh 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

No man has seen God at anytime. The father was manifest through his son Jesus Christ who declared God the father and made the father known to us. God the father was manifest by his son Jesus Christ. Knowledge of God is very important. We are given all things that pertain unto godliness through knowledge of him. God is not a mystery. Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. We are to know who he is. He is a father who sent Jesus his son. Jesus said so. Who is the wisdom of God a mystery too? 1Co 2:7 But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: That says that we speak the wisdom of God and it is a mystery to the world. But what about to the saints. If they speak this wisdom in a mystery then do they to have knowledge of these mysteries? Eph 3:3-4, 9 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words, Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: Gods identity is not a mystery. He is the father and he created all things through Jesus Christ. God the father said to his son and our Lord Jesus Christ let us make man in our image(Gen 1:26). 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. The identity of God is clear. He is a father and not an impersonal mystery called a trinity. He so loved us that he gave his only begotten son to save the world. Col 1:26-27 Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:To whom God would make known what is the riches

of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: He comes to comfort us by his son Jesus Christ who lives in us. Paul continues. Col 2:2 That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. Jesus dwelling with them would not leave them comfortless. He was coming back to dwell in them. Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Not only is he coming, but the father is coming to us by his son Jesus Christ to comfort us himself. Both the father and son will make their abode in us. I pray that you will continue to grown in your understanding of this mystery that has been hid from the world but is made manifest to his saints and has been made manifest to you that God is a father and not a mystery called the trinity. Col 4:3 Withal praying also for us, that God would open unto us a door of utterance, to speak the mystery of Christ, for which I am also in bonds: And that you might be a servant of him and speak that same mystery of God and Christ. Who is God? Eph 1:2 Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.

God is the father of us and of our Lord and brother Jesus Christ. Further in this chapter it talks of a mystery that has been made known to us. Paul begins all letters by giving us greetings from 2 persons. God the father, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Eph 1:9-10 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself: That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ God made it known that he purposed in himself to gather us together in Jesus Christ. Does God want us to think that he is a mystery which is called a trinity? Is the identity of God revealed? Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, I pray that he has revealed to you who he is and that this mystery which is given to the saints is not hid from your eyes. There are many mysteries in Babylon and one of those mysteries is called the Trinity. The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the catholic church. Upon it are based all the teachings of the church[Handbook for todays Catholic Page 11] We know who we worship. Jesus told us..Hes not a mystery. Joh 4:21-24 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. God is not a mystery He is a father and his nature is spirit. His nature is a mystery to us and incomprehensible to the finite mind. However his identity is clearly revealed.

And knowing his identity is eternal life. Its a beautiful truth and the love of God is revealed in it. 1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. I know him as father. And he calls me son. Do you know who you worship or is your God a mystery? Act 17:23 For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you. Do you know your God? Or have you ignorantly worshipped a mystery? Act 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Truth About God Posts Related to Mystery of God Revealed - Is God's identity a mystery?

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James Springer White: 1821 1881 on the Trinity Add comments James White on the Trinity. Jesus prayed that his disciples might be one as he was one with his Father. This prayer did not contemplate one disciple with twelve heads, but twelve disciples, made one in object and effort in the cause of their master. Neither are the Father and the Son parts of the three-one God. They are two distinct beings, yet one in the design and accomplishment of redemption. The redeemed, from the first who shares in the great redemption, to the last, all ascribe the honor, and glory, and praise, of their salvation, to both God and the Lamb. (James White, 1868, Life Incidents, page 343) Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for THE faith which was once delivered unto the saints (Jude 3, 4) The exhortation to contend for the faith delivered to the saints, is to us alone. And it is very important for us to know what for and how to contend. In the 4th verse he gives us the reason why we should contend for

THE faith, a particular faith; for there are certain men, or a certain class who deny the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ. The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed, viz., that Jesus Christ is the eternal God, though they have not one passage to support it, while we have plain scripture testimony in abundance that he is the Son of the eternal God. (James White, January 24, 1846, The Day Star) The inexplicable Trinity that makes the Godhead three in one and one in three, is bad enough; but that ultra Unitarianism that makes Christ inferior to the Father is worse. Did God say to an inferior, Let us make man in our image? (James White, November 29, 1877, Review & Herald) The Father was greater than the Son in that he was first. (James White, January 4, 1881, Review & Herald; found in EGW Review and Herald Articles, vol. 1, page 244) We are told by those who teach the abolition of the Fathers law, that the commandments of God mentioned in the New Testament, are not the ten, but the requirements of the gospel, such as repentance, faith, baptism and the Lords supper. But as these, and every other requirement peculiar to the gospel, are all embraced in the faith of Jesus, it is evident that the commandments of God are not the sayings of Christ and his apostles. To assert that the sayings of the Son and his apostles are the commandments of the Father, is as wide from the truth as the old trinitarian absurdity that Jesus Christ is the very and Eternal God. And as the faith of Jesus embraces every requirement peculiar to the gospel, it necessarily follows that the commandments of God, mentioned by the third angel, embrace only the ten precepts of the Fathers immutable law which are not peculiar to any one dispensation, but common to all. (James White, August 5, 1852, Review & Herald, vol. 3, no. 7, page 52, par. 42) Bro. Cottrell is nearly eighty years of age, remembers the dark day of 1780, and has been a Sabbath-keeper more than thirty years. He was formerly united with the Seventh-Day Baptists, but on some points of doctrine has differed from that body. He rejected the doctrine of the trinity, also the doctrine of mans consciousness between death and the resurrection, and the punishment of the wicked in eternal consciousness. He believed that the wicked would be destroyed. Bro. Cottrell buried his wife not long since, who, it is said, was one of the excellent of the earth. Not long since, this aged pilgrim received a letter from friends in Wisconsin, purporting to be from M. Cottrell, his wife, who sleeps in Jesus. But he, believing that the dead know not anything, was prepared to reject at once the heresy that the spirits of the dead, knowing everything, come back and converse with the living. Thus truth is a staff in his old age. He has

three sons in Mill Grove, who, with their families are Sabbath-keepers. (James White, June 9, 1853, Review & Herald, vol. 4, no. 2, page 12, par. 16) Catholic Reasons for Keeping Sunday 1. Because it is also called Sunday from the old Roman denomination of Dies Solis, the day of the sun, to which it was sacred. Sunday was a name given by the heathens to the first day of the week, because it was the day on which they worshipped the sun. 2. Because it is in honor of the blessed Virgin Mary. 3. Because it is a day dedicated by the apostles to the honor of the most Holy Trinity. (James White, April 4, 1854, Review & Herald, vol. 5, no. 11, page 86, par. 16-18) The Position of the Remnant As fundamental errors, we might class with this counterfeit sabbath other errors which Protestants have brought away from the Catholic church, such as sprinkling for baptism, the trinity, the consciousness of the dead and eternal life in misery. The mass who have held these fundamental errors, have doubtless done it ignorantly; but can it be supposed that the church of Christ will carry along with her these errors till the judgment scenes burst upon the world? We think not. Here are they [in the period of a message given just before the Son of man takes his place upon the white cloud, Rev. 14:14] that keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus. This class, who live just prior to the second advent, will not be keeping the traditions of men, neither will they be holding fundamental errors relative to the plan of salvation through Jesus Christ. And as the true light shines out upon these subjects, and is rejected by the mass, then condemnation will come upon them. When the true Sabbath is set before men, and the claims of the fourth commandment are urged upon them, and they reject this holy institution of the God of heaven, and choose in its place an institution of the beast, it can then be said, in the fullest sense, that such worship the beast. The warning message of the third angel is given in reference to that period, when the mark of the beast will be received, instead of the seal of the living God. Solemn dreadful, swiftly approaching hour! (James White, September 12, 1854, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 5, page 36, par. 8) Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ, and of sprinkling or pouring instead of being buried with Christ in baptism, planted in the likeness of his death: but we pass from these fablesto notice one that is held sacred by nearly all professed Christians, both Catholic and Protestant. It is, The change of the Sabbath of the fourth commandment from the seventh to the

first day of the week. (James White, December 11, 1855,Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 11, page 85, par. 16) The mystery of iniquity began to work in the church in Pauls day. It finally crowded out the simplicity of the gospel, and corrupted the doctrine of Christ, and the church went into the wilderness. Martin Luther, and other reformers, arose in the strength of God, and with the Word and Spirit, made mighty strides in the Reformation. The greatest fault we can find in the Reformation is, the Reformers stopped reforming. Had they gone on, and onward, till they had left the last vestige of Papacy behind, such as natural immortality, sprinkling, the trinity, and Sunday- keeping, the church would now be free from herunscriptural errors. (James White, February 7, 1856, Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 19, page 148, par. 26) We have not as much sympathy with Unitarians that deny the divinity of Christ, as with Trinitarians who hold that the Son is the eternal Father, and talk so mistily about the three-one God. Give the Master all that divinity with which the Holy Scriptures clothe him. ..(from : Review and Herald June 6, 1871 James and Ellen Whites Western Tour.) We invite all to compare the testimonies of the Holy Spirit through Mrs. W., with the word of God. And in this we do not invite you to compare them with your creed. That is quite another thing. The trinitarian may compare them with his creed, and because they do not agree with it, condemn them. The observer of Sunday, or the man who holds eternal torment an important truth, and the minister that sprinkles infants, may each condemn the testimonies of Mrs. W. because they do not agree with their peculiar views. And a hundred more, each holding different views, may come to the same conclusion. But their genuineness can never be tested in this way. { James White RH June 13, 1871} He(Jame White) received a commendation that few others have attained. God has permitted the precious light of truth to shine upon His word and illuminate the mind of my husband. He may reflect the rays of light from the presence of Jesus upon others by his preaching and writing.{E. G. White, Testimonies for the Church Volume 3, p. 502} Many of the pioneers, who shared with us these trials and victories, remained true till the close of life, and have fallen asleep in Jesus. Among these is the faithful warrior who for thirty-six years stood by my side in the battle for truth. God used him as a teacher and leader to stand in the front ranks during the severe struggles of those early days of the message; but he has fallen at his post, and, with others who

have died in the faith, he awaits the coming of the Lifegiver, who will call him from his gloomy prison-house to a glorious immortality. {RH, November 20, 1883 par. 6} Pioneers on the Trinity Truth About God

God is a person- not three persons as much as the Holy spirit is a person Spirit of Prophecy, Truth About God Add comments Personality of the Holy Spirit Holy Spirit a Person? Quote Personality of the Holy Spirit.We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds.Manuscript 66, 1899. {Ellen White Evangelism 616} This quote says God is a person. This seems to be non-trinitarian as well. Since Trinitarians teach that God is three persons. However, let me go further. Lets say Paul is a person as much as his spirit is a person. Would we then say Pauls spirit was someone separate and distinct from Paul? This is the same with our father in heaven. He is spirit the bible says. John 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. John 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. These verses talk about our father who is spirit, and we are to worship him in spirit and in truth. Many think that our God is a mystery which they call a Trinity. The words of Jesus Ye know not what ye worship would apply if our God is a mystery.

When we get to heaven, God will not then say Meet my spirit. We will see God face to face, and we will know him. The father of Jesus Christ. Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: Ephesians 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, The spirit is as much a person as God is a person. For more See: The Comforter The Heavenly Trio Questions and Answers Truth About God

A Heavenly Trio? An apologetic to a SDAReform pastor regarding the "heavenly trio" quote. Brother J, In regards to the "heavenly trio" quote from Special Testimonies Series B Volume 7, I wanted to share with you the background as well as show the fact that this was in fact used against the Trinity as Kellogg had come to believe in the Trinity. Many are not aware that Ellen White was actually rebuking Kellogg on his belief in the Trinity I will attempt to demonstrate that this is what all the pioneers had come to understand. Not only that Kellogg was misusing her quote from "Desire of ages" to suggest that she was a Trinitarian, but then she had to explain to Kellogg her use of the word "person" and

personality as well as the word "Godhead". Also if you are not aware this testimony is partially copied in the book "Ministry of Healing" in the chapter "A true knowledge of God". A very important chapter as she says. "A knowledge of God is the foundation of all true education and of all true service. It is the only real safeguard against temptation. It is this alone that can make us like God in character...This is the knowledge needed by all who are working for the uplifting of their fellow men.. Transformation of character, purity of life, efficiency in service, adherence to correct principles, all depend upon a right knowledge of God. This knowledge is the essential preparation both for this life and for the life to come."...Through a knowledge of Him are given unto us "all things that pertain unto life and godliness." 2 Peter 1:3. ..."This is life eternal," said Jesus, "that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent." John 17:3.[Ministry of Healing Page 409-410] In 1935 an exchange of letters between H.W. Carr and Willie White happened. This is actually shocking to some that by 1935 the Trinity was still not entrenched in Adventism. However, by this time the Trinity was becoming widely accepted. "It is urged by some of our leaders now that The Holy Spirit is a third person of the same nature of the Father and Son, a member of the heavenly trio, cooperative in creation and personally active with the Father and Son. For many years I have used these statements of Sr. White [statements previously quoted in his letter] in combating false teachings relative to defining the Holy Spirit." (Letter by H. W. Carr to Willie White, January 24, 1935) Now this is quite interesting that some of our pioneers used these statements of Ms. White in combatting the false teaching regarding the Holy Spirit being a being of the same nature as the father and the son.. Notice Willie's clearly anti-trinitarian response. And not only that but how Willie understood his mother to be using the words "Person" and "Personality" interchangably. These words Ms. White used interchangeably. If you look at her original quote "three living persons of the heavenly trio" what she actually wrote was "three living personalities of the heavenly trio". I will attach a photocopy of it for your viewing pleasure. Look at Willies responce to H.W. Carr. "In your letter you request me to tell you what I understand to be my mothers position in reference to the personality of the Holy Spirit. "This I cannot do because I never clearly understood her teachings on the matter. There always was in my mind some perplexity regarding the meaning of her utterances which to my superficial manner of thinking seemed to be somewhat confusing.... "The statements and the arguments of some of our ministers in their effort to prove that the Holy Spirit was an individual as are God the Father and Christ, the eternal Son, have perplexed me and sometimes they have made me sad. One popular teacher said We may regard Him, (the Holy Spirit) as the fellow who is down here running things. My perplexities were lessened a little when I learned from the dictionary that one of the meanings of personality, was Characteristics.. It is stated in such a way that I concluded that there might be personality without bodily form which is possessed by the Father and the Son. There are many Scriptures which speak of the Father and the Son and the absence of Scripture making similar reference to the united work of the Father and the Holy Spirit

or of Christ and the Holy Spirit, has led me to believe that the spirit without individuality was the representative of the Father and the Son throughout the universe, and it was through the Holy Spirit that they dwell in our hearts and make us one with the Father and with the Son...." (Letter by Willie White, April 30, 1935) Clearly non-trinitarian. Willie understood that his mother was not Trinitarian. He was around her daily. And there are 1000's of statements by Ms. White to show that she wasn't. "The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted." (Ellen White, The Youths Instructor, July 7, 1898) The keyword in that statement which was written 3 years after the book Desire of ages is "ALONE". There is not a 3rd individual. Now Kellogg had come to understand Ms. Whites use of the word "person" and "personality" in the same light as most Adventists seem to understand it today. However in that day this was not the case. Notice Kelloggs reply here to brother Butler the former General Conference president. "As far as I can fathom, the difficulty which is found in the Living Temple, the whole thing may be simmered down to this question: is the Holy Ghost a person. You say no. I had supposed the Bible said this for the reason that the personal pronoun he is used in speaking of the Holy Ghost. Sister White uses the pronoun he and has said in as many words that the Holy Ghost is the third person of the Godhead. How the Holy Ghost can be the third person and not be a person at all is difficult for me to see".Dr. John Harvey Kellogg wrote to G. I Butler on Oct 28th 1903 concerning The Living Temple So obviously Kellogg had a bigger problem than just pantheism that was causing his division from the body of Adventists at that time. Kellogg misunderstood Ms. White's use of the words "third person[ality] of the Godhead" and had actually come to believe that the Holy Spirit was an individual like the father and son. The body said no. Kellogg knew this was a big issue as he said himself in reply to Butler "The whole thing simmered down to whether the Holy Spirit was a person". Butler was not a Trinitarian. Willie White was not a Trinitarian. Uriah Smith was not a Trinitarian. Jones and Waggoner were not Trinitarian, And Ellen White herself did not rebuke any of them. But God told her to actually meet the one person who was a Trinitarian. "I am instructed to speak plainly. Meet it, is the word spoken to me. Meet it firmly, and without delay. ...In the book Living Temple there is presented the alpha of deadly heresies.. The omega will follow, and will be received by those who are not willing to heed the warning God has given." (Selected Messages, book 1, p. 200) I recommend reading the study on my website "Omega of deadly heresies". It has been "recieved by many" who have not heeded the warnings just as she predicted. If you'd like one let me know. Here is a testimony from A.G Daniels to Willie White. Now we already have learned Willie White was not a Trinitarian. "He [J. H. Kellogg] then stated that his former views regarding the trinity had stood in his way of making a clear and absolutely correct statement; but that within a short time he had come to believe in the trinity and could now see pretty clearly where all the difficulty was, and believed that he could clear the matter up satisfactorily. He told me that he now believed in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost; and his view was that it was God the Holy Ghost, and not God the Father, that filled all space, and every living thing. He said that if he had believed this before writing the book, he

could have expressed his views without giving the wrong impression the book now gives.." (Letter by A. G. Daniells to W. C. White on October 29, 1903) A. G. Daniels goes on to say how he explained to Kellogg how contrary to the gospel this is. And it is contrary to the gospel. The gospel doesn't teach that God gave one of their members to the world. The gospel is summed up in the words "God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son. Fear God give glory to him. This gospel must be preached to all nations, Ellen White stated that "Christ is the only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God"[PP 34] and this passage as well as several others denote 2 beings. If the Holy Spirit is a being in the same sense as the father and the son, then the Holy Spirit has not been able to enter into all the counsels of God. Ms. White clearly distinguishes between "God" and "Christ". God is not a trinity. The title God always belongs to the father and Christ was God with us. Christ revealed the father the only true God to us. "The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. [Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted.] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son." (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268) That statement was actually written to Kellogg as well. It's also written in Ministry of Healing "A true knowledge of God". "Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word; that they all may be one; as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in us."These words present God and Christ as two distinct personalities." [Notebook leaflets Page 124] Another interesting quote. Christ is not the eternal God himself, however Christ was "God with us". Christ revealed God. God is the father of Christ. "But although Christ's glory was for a time veiled and eclipsed by His assuming humanity, yet He did not cease to be God when He became man...The man Christ Jesus was not the Lord God Almighty, yet Christ and the Father are one." SDA Bible Commentary, vol.5 p.1129 So we have "One God the father"[1 Cor 8:6] and "no other God but he"[Mark 12:32]. No "God the son", No "God the spirit". However Christ was "God with us". No man has seen God at any time. Christ revealed him, Christ declared him, by seeing Christ we've seen the father, who is the only true God[John 17:3]. Now understanding this Special Testimony Volume 7. We have to recognize it in the light that Kellogg had come to misunderstand Ms. Whites use of the words "person" and "personality" which she used interchangeably. Lets look at this testimony now. I will also get to her use of the word "Godhead" as well. "All these spiritualistic representations are simply nothingness. They are imperfect, untrue. They weaken and diminish the Majesty which no earthly likeness can be compared to. God can not be compared with the things His hands have made. These are mere earthly things, suffering under the curse of God because of the sins of man. The Father can not be described by the things of earth. The Father is all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. The Son is all the fulness of the Godhead manifested. The Word of God declares Him to be "the express image of His person." "God so loved the world, that He gave His only

begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Here is shown the personality of the Father. {SpTB07 63.1} Ok. Now there is lots to see in this quote. First she calls what Kellogg believes to be "Spiritualism". I will get to this in a second. However firstly please notice her use of the word "person". She says "Christ is the express image of God's person" to Kellogg. Kellogg God has a person. This is what I meant with my use of the word "person". Not that the Holy Spirit is another being.. Also notice that she says "God so loved the world" God who? God the trinity? No... God the father. This is who God is. And when God shows his love he is showing his characteristics. His personality. Just as Willie had come to learn. She is explaining it to him that these quotes on "third person of the godhead" are not Trinitarian" "My perplexities were lessened a little when I learned from the dictionary that one of the meanings of personality, was Characteristics. It is stated in such a way that I concluded that there might be personality without bodily form which is possessed by the Father and the Son." {Willie White Letter to W.C Carr April 30, 1935} Now she just explained to Kellogg in {SpTB07 63.1} that she was not Trinitarian. And just as Butler explained that the problem simmered down to Kelloggs misunderstanding of her use of the word "Person". This is not new today as many have made the same mistake. Ms. White further said to Kellogg. You are not definitely clear on the personality of God, which is everything to us as a people. You have virtually destroyed the Lord God Himself. Letter 300 1903. So she explained it to Kellogg. This is what I meant. And she said to him scriptures are Clear. God is the father of Jesus Christ, Christ is the son of God. Here is her next paragraph after explaining Gods person and Christs person to Kellogg and obviously showing that "God is the father of Jesus Christ" and not a Trinity she says in the very next paragraph the very misunderstood statement which I will attach the actual copy of her original handwriting which she did write the word "personality" in place of the word "person". "The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fulness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-- those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ. . . . "{SpTB07 63.2} Notice she calls them powers. And this is a rebuke to a trinitarian. And it is clearly not saying that God is the father son and holy spirit. Nor is she saying "God the son" or "God the spirit".. She is saying the spirit is the fulness of the "Godhead". "Godhead" is a different word than "God" and it actually is used 3 times in the bible. It is used in Romans 1:20. Ellen White actually quotes this verse in her chapter "A true knowledge of God" from the book "Ministry of Healing". She uses the ARV. Notice in this verse in the KJV this verse below uses the words everlasting power and Godhead. Now lets look at what she understands the word Godhead to mean. "The invisible things of Him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even His everlasting power and divinity." Romans 1:20, A.R..V. [Ellen White MH 410].

So Gods Godhead is actually a reference to his Divinity. And the Holy Spirit is the third person[ality] of the Godhead[divinity] according to the Desire of Ages. God has divinity. It his everlasting power and divinity. Divinity is a characteristic of his. Divinity is not a three person in one God. Divinity is clearly seen being perceived by things made as Paul said. This is where Kelloggs Pantheism came from. If you look at Romans 1:20 and you believe the Godhead is God the Trinity then you are a pantheist. Lets see what EGW meant in Desire of Ages.. The Holy Spirit is Christ's representative, but divested of the personality of humanity, and independent thereof. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally. Therefore it was for their interest that He should go to the Father, and send the Spirit to be His successor on earth. No one could then have any advantage because of his location or his personal contact with Christ. By the Spirit the Saviour would be accessible to all. In this sense He would be nearer to them than if He had not ascended on high. {DA 669.2} Now clearly it was Christ who was to be accessible to all. But he is divested of the personality of humanity. In fact that third person of divinity is none other than himself in his saints. "The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. "(Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 14, pages 23, 24; written February 18 and 19, 1895) There is not someone else representing him. Clearly he represents himself. In Col 2:9 it is said that Christ is filled with the fullness of the Godhead bodily. Does this mean he is part of a Trinity? Actually we are to be filled with the fullness of God. That doesnt make us part of a billion in one God. And this next verse actually uses the title God rather than the word Godhead which is used 3 times in scriptures. Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God. Never is the word Godhead used in reference to the father, son, and holy spirit in a single instance of the 3 times it is used. Godhead is not another title for God. God has a Godhead which is clearly seen in the things made. Some will present the objection that divinity is only Gods. That is right. And God has filled his son with it. And he will also make us partakers of his divinity. 2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. Clearly we are filled with the fullness of God, partakers of the divine nature. Christ our comforter will come to us and dwell in us. This is our hope of glory. Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.. Christ represents himself. Not some other third being. As she says in Desire of Ages where the misused and controversial quote is written. What does she say about our comforter? "The Lord knows all about His faithful servants who for His sake are lying in prison or who are banished to lonely islands. He comforts them with His own presence" {DA 669.3}

His own presence.. Not someone else. ".the holy Spirit is the comforter, as the personal presence of Christ to the soul. "{RH, November 29,1892 par. 3} "and we adore God for His wondrous love in giving Jesus the comforter."{19MR 297..3} "The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be. "(Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 8, page 49) "The nights are long and painful, but Jesus is my Comforter and my Hope." (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 19, page 296) "Christ is everything to those who receive Him. He is their Comforter, their safety, their healthfulness. Apart from Christ there is no light at all. "(Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 21, page 372) "There is no comforter like Christ, so tender and so true. He is touched with the feeling of our infirmities. His Spirit speaks to the heart. The influence of the Holy Spirit is the life of Christ in the soul." (Ellen White, Review & Herald, October 26, 1897) There is not another comforter like Christ. She never knew one. Why has the whole church come to believe there is another comforter like Christ? There is no comforter like Christ. He is the only one. Some have compiled her writings to make her mean something different. Just as Leroy Froom did in the book Evangelism. She predicted this again when referring to Kellogg and his misunderstanding and misuse of the word person. There are some, who upon accepting erroneous theories, strive to establish them by collecting from my writings statements of truth, which they use, separated from their proper connection and perverted by association with error." Letter 136, April 27, 1906, to Brethren Butler, Daniels, and Irwin. (Ellen White, 1906, This Day with God, page 126) One more thing about her statement to Kellogg about his spiritualistic theories. She actually said as a group in 1844 when they first established the faith they had run into many false theories about God. This is written in 1904 clearly showing that she still was in agreement about who there God was in 1844. She had not changed her view to Trinitarian. Look at what she says. Most today who have no knowledge of the history of our faith know that none of our pioneers were Trinitarian. "Adventist beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of present truth. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord...... the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by the early Adventists." - Adventist Review, Jan 6, 1994. p.10. "Most of the founders of Seventh-day Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denominations Fundamental Beliefs. More specifically, most would not be able to agree to belief number 2, which deals with the doctrine of the trinity." - Ministry, October 1993, p. 10 But Ms. White when referring to Kellogg and her quotes on the heavenly trio points him back to a time when the faith was established. When our pioneers worshipped a different God. The only true God. After the passing of the time in 1844, we had fanaticism of every kind to meet. Testimonies of reproof were given me to bear to some holding spiritualistic theories. There were those who were active in disseminating false ideas in regard to God. Light was given me that these men were making the truth of no effect by their false teachings. I was instructed that they were misleading souls by presenting

speculative theories regarding God. {E. G. White, Testimonies Volume 8, pp. 292, 293} 1904 This testimony was in reference to Kellogg as well. But she is referring to Spiritualistic theories about God that they met shortly after 1844. Clearly she had not changed her view about God. Now she is referring to a time with her husband James White as well as others who established the faith. What are these spiritualistic theories about God that they met shortly after 1844? In 1846 James said this. The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed, viz., that Jesus Christ is the eternal God, though they have not one passage to support it, while we have plain scripture testimony in abundance that he is the Son of the eternal God. {J. S. White, The Day Star, January 24, 1846} The inexplicable Trinity that makes the Godhead three in one and one in three, is bad enough; but that ultra Unitarianism that makes Christ inferior to the Father is worse. Did God say to an inferior, Let us make man in our image? {J. S. White, Review & Herald, November 29, 1877} No God said to Christ who God made equal with himself let us make man in our image. After the earth was created, and the beasts upon it, the Father and Son carried out their purpose, And now God said to His Son, Let us make man in our image. (Ellen White, The Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 1, pages 24, 25) The Godhead is not three in one or one in three. The title God or elohim as quoted above clearly refers to one being the father. Ellen White did not mean that Godhead was three beings in one God. Clearly receiving light from God himself for all those years she would have been told to meet it with reference to James and his misunderstandings. But when speaking about Kellogg she points Kellogg back to the faith delivered to the pioneers and spiritualistic theories which James and her encountered shortly after 1844 such as the unscriptural Trinitarian three in one, one in three creed. Here is what she says to Kellogg. "In the future, deception of every kind is to arise, and we want solid ground for our feet. We want solid pillars for the building. Not one pin is to be removed from that which the Lord has established. The enemy will bring in false theories, such as the doctrine that there is no sanctuary. This is one of the points on which there will be a departing from the faith. Where shall we find safety unless it be in the truths that the Lord has been giving for the last fifty years?" (Ellen White, Review & Herald, May 25, 1905) So she says that the truths which God has been giving since 1855 are not to be changed. What were some of the truths she said were established as points of faith? Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard.. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary or concerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor.. {E. G. White, Manuscript Release No.760, p. 9} 1905 God or Christ. So you can see that there are clear misunderstandings today about the personality of God the personality of Christ and the personality of the Holy Spirit.

"Modern spiritualism, resting upon the same foundation, is but a revival in a new form of the witchcraft and demon worship that God condemned and prohibited of old. Peter, describing the dangers to which the church was to be exposed in the last days, says that as there were false prophets who led Israel into sin, so there will be false teachers, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them. And many shall follow their pernicious ways. 2 Peter 2:1, 2.. Here t he apostle has pointed out one of the marked characteristics of spiritualist teachers. They refuse to acknowledge Christ as the Son of God. Concerning such teachers the beloved John declares: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. 1 John 2:22, 23. Spiritualism, by denying Christ, denies both the Father and the Son, and the Bible pronounces it the manifestation of antichrist." (Ellen White, Patriarchs and Prophets, page 686) So clearly Spiritualism has entered into the church today in the form of the spiritualistic trinity. Here are some interesting words from Ellen White about God and Christ. She refers to a vision actually of her speaking to Christ himself. God did not leave his children in the dark regarding who he was. The father and son were not a spiritual metaphor. From the earliest visions God assured His children of the reality of His being. I have often seen the lovely Jesus, that He is a person. I asked Him if His Father was a person and had a form like Himself. Said Jesus, "I am in the express image of My Father's person." I have often seen that the spiritual view took away all the glory of heaven [] {E.G. White, Early Writings, p. 77} God is the father a singular being. Not a trinity of beings. The movement of the Advent faith was established on this foundation. This is the rock upon which the church is built. If you are Trinitarian you are on sinking sand. "The enemy of souls has sought to bring in the supposition that a great reformation was to take place among Seventh-day Adventists, and that this reformation would consist in giving up the doctrines which stand as the pillars of our faith, and engaging in a process of reorganization. Were this reformation to take place, what would result? The principles of truth that God in His wisdom has given to the remnant church, would be discarded. Our religion would be changed. The fundamental principles that have sustained the work for the last fifty years would be accounted as error. A new organization would be established. Books of a new order would be written. A system of intellectual philosophy would be introduced. The founders of this system would go into the cities, and do a wonderful work. The Sabbath of course, would be lightly regarded, as also the God who created it.. Nothing would be allowed to stand in the way of the new movement. The leaders would teach that virtue is better than vice, but God being removed, they would place their dependence on human power, which, without God, is worthless. Their foundation would be built on the sand, and storm and tempest would sweep away the structure." Selected Messages Book 1-Page 204, 205

Has this happened??? Yes, every point has happened. The religion is changed. Now that a new organization is established what are we the true believers in the Advent faith called to do? What we want now is a reorganization. We want to begin at the foundation and to build upon a different principle. [Last Day Events, page 53] "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life" (John 6:57, 63). Christ is not here referring to His doctrine, but to His person, the divinity of His character. "Verily, verily, I say unto you," He says again, "The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man" (John 5:25-27). {1SM 249.3} We could go on with much more about the three living personalities of the heavenly trio. There is much already in this letter. Dont let a couple of questionable texts be your basis for your decision. Those who desire to doubt will have plenty of room. God does not propose to remove all occasion for unbelief.. He gives evidence, which must be carefully investigated with a humble mind and a teachable spirit, and all should decide from the weight of evidence.. (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 3, page 255) Any remaining questions you may have can be answered more than sufficiently. It would be strange that Ellen White was Trinitarian being around all these nontrinitarians and never standing up against their non-trinitarian heresies. Anyways, common sense and the evidence presented dictate she was clearly non-trinitarian and in unity with the rest of her non-trinitarian brethren and her non-trinitarian husband. Truth is eternal, and conflict with error will only make manifest its strength. We should never refuse to examine the Scriptures with those who, we have reason to believe, desire to know what is truth. Suppose a brother held a view that differed from yours, and he should come to you, proposing that you sit down with him and make an investigation of that point in the Scriptures; should you rise up, filled with prejudice, and condemn his ideas, while refusing to give him a candid hearing? The only right way would be to sit down as Christians and investigate the position presented in the light of God's word, which will reveal truth and unmask error. To ridicule his ideas would not weaken his position in the least if it were false, or strengthen your position if it were true. If the pillars of our faith will not stand the test of investigation, it is time that we knew it. There must be no spirit of Pharisaism cherished among us. TM 107.2} I know this happens to some. I just wanted to give you the warning before it happened to yourself. "There are some who indulge in levity, sarcasm, and even mockery toward those who differ with them. Others present an array of objections to any new view; and when these objections are plainly answered by the words of Scripture, they do not

acknowledge the evidence presented, nor allow themselves to be convinced. Their questioning is not for the purpose of arriving at truth, but is intended merely to confuse the minds of others." {TM 108.2} Well, hopefully we never go there, and we will come to unity of the faith, and the knowledge of the son of God[Eph 4:13] and this is the one faith[Eph 4:5], that has one God the father[Eph 4:6], the only true God and his son Jesus Christ. You are invited to have fellowship with us, and truly our fellowship is with the father and his son Jesus Christ. You are your brothers keeper, therefore responsible for the flock that you lead. Responsible to lead them to him and his son and have no other Gods before them. Israel ignorantly tore down the groves in Elijahs day, and they had no problem with having a showdown to see whos God is the true God. And really this is how it is to be brought. Not like in 1888 where the men were backbitten and the spirit of pharasaism was induldged. Some have feared that if in even a single point they acknowledge themselves in error, other minds would be led to doubt the whole theory of truth. Therefore they have felt that investigation should not be permitted, that it would tend to dissension and disunion. But if such is to be the result of investigation, the sooner it comes the better.. If there are those whose faith in God's word will not stand the test of an investigation of the Scriptures, the sooner they are revealed the better; for then the way will be opened to show them their error. We cannot hold that a position once taken, an idea once advocated, is not, under any circumstances, to be relinquished. There is but One who is infallible--He who is the way, the truth, and the life. Those who allow prejudice to bar the mind against the reception of truth cannot receive the divine enlightenment. Yet, when a view of Scripture is presented, many do not ask, Is it true--in harmony with God's word? but, By whom is it advocated? and unless it comes through the very channel that pleases them, they do not accept it. So thoroughly satisfied are they with their own ideas that they will not examine the Scripture evidence with a desire to learn, but refuse to be interested, merely because of their prejudices. The Lord often works where we least expect Him; He surprises us by revealing His power through instruments of His own choice, while He passes by the men to whom we have looked as those through whom light should come. God desires us to receive the truth upon its own merits--because it is truth." [TM 105-106] I would suggest that you be sure that you are on the right side when the fire comes down from heaven. As you do not want to be among the 450 to 1 who were pointing people to the wrong God.

Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity Add comments Quote:The Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity.The eternal heavenly dignitariesGod, and Christ, and the Holy Spiritarming them [the disciples] with more than mortal energy, . . . {Ellen White Evangelism 616} Firstly the eternal dignitaries of the trinity looks nice, its all capitalized but it is totally uninspired. Lets re-read the quote. The eternal heavenly dignitariesGod, and Christ, and the Holy Spiritarming them [the disciples] with more than mortal energy, . . . {Ev 616.4} It would be great to see the entire context of this quote outside of Evangelism. However just from what we can see it refers to God, Christ and the Holy Spirit. God is distinct from his son, and his spirit in this quote. This to me indicates that the title God in this quote refers to the father alone. I dont think that we can read into this quote God the father, son and holy spirit, and Christ and the Holy Spirit. The title God refers alone to the father in this quote and as far as can be seen in not Trinitarian at all

Studying the Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh Day Adventists The Trinity Spirit of Prophecy, Truth About God Add comments

A Bible Study on the Trinity According to the Fundamental Beliefs of Seventh Day Adventists How Biblical is it? Examining the Trinity according to the Seventh Day Adventist 28 Fundamental Beliefs The General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists in 1980 put out the 27 Fundamental Beliefs and over the years this was changed to 28 Fundamental Beliefs. This is not a detailed study on the Fundamental Beliefs. In this study we will examine Fundamental Beliefs #2 through #5 which deal with the doctrine of the Trinity. We will examine the scriptures referenced in Fundamental Beliefs. After we are done this study we will be quite surprised at what the bible is really teaching.

Fundamental Belief #2 2. Trinity: There is one God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, a unity of three co-eternal Persons. God is immortal, all-powerful, all-knowing, above all, and ever present. He is infinite and beyond human comprehension, yet known through His self-revelation. He is forever worthy of worship, adoration, and service by the whole creation. (Deut. 6:4; Matt. 28:19; 2 Cor. 13:14; Eph. 4:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2; 1 Tim. 1:17; Rev. 14:7.) Taken from: http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html Lets examine it In the above quotation and the scriptures referenced which we will examine one by one. Firstly in the above quote Id like you to pay careful attention to something. That God is referred to here as three co-eternal Persons but yet God is called a He. I dont know about you or any other logical person in the world, but I dont call three

people a he. Instead I would use the plural terms they or them rather than him or he. Furthermore since Fundamental beliefs #3, 4 and 5 teach us that there is God the eternal father, God the eternal son, and God the eternal Spirit. Wouldnt that also be plural as well. Therefore gods would be more appropriate. Rewording the above statement is appropriate, however rewording it would not solve the problem but create many more problems as we will see. So many of our brethren have done nothing more than a surface read of this issue and throw out a list of scriptures such as we see above to prove the doctrine. Firstly before delving into the fullness of this study I would like to make a point, especially to Seventh Day Adventists. The titles God the son and God the Spirit are found nowhere in scripture but are merely implied by a few verses which we will examine in this study. Lets analyze the verses used above which are said to teach Fundamental Belief #2. Deutoronomy 6:4 Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD: The title LORD in all capitals is reference to the name of God. It translates to Jehovah or Yahweh when capitalized. This is the fathers name. It is used in the Old Testament alone. This name was not used when they translated the Old Testament to greek. Instead they began to call him Lord which translates to Adonai in Hebrew and Kyrios in the greek rather than YHWH When the New Testament was written it was translated from the Greek Old Testament rather than the Hebrew and so the name was lost and in its place the title Lord was used.

So sometimes in the New Testament there are quotes from the Old Testament where the sacred name Jehovah is used, but because of the discontinuation of the name when they translated it to greek we have no references to the sacred name in the New Testament. Instead we have the title Lord in small letters in places where we should see the title LORD or Jehovah or Yahweh. Jesus quotes this Deutoronomy 6:4 in the New Testament, and instead of using the sacred name, he uses the title Lord. So he is quoting from the Greek Old Testament. Lets look at the verse as it is quoted in Mark 12. Mar 12:29, 32, 34 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: .And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: .. And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. The scribe answered Jesus None other God but he. HE is singular again. When the scribe answered Jesus, Jesus didnt answer back to the scribe and say. Actually sir, God is a trio, or a trinity. And Im actually part of it or did he say its called a godhead, and I am the second individual of three co-eternal beings or persons that actually make up God? Instead Jesus said Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. So understanding that the Lord our God is a HE and not an IT or a THEY brings you that much closer to the kingdom of God. This is the first and great commandment. There is not a greater. Not even the Sabbath is more important than this commandment. I want you to notice this next verse as Jesus uses the greek title kyrios twice. He states: Mar 12:36 For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool. Notice the title LORD is capitalized here, but the greek is still saying the same word in both instances. Why is the one capitalized and one not? The answer is that in the Hebrew the title Jehovah is used in this verse only once. So when we read it in Hebrew it actually says Jehovah(YHWH) said to my Lord(adonai, kyrios), sit thou on my right hand.

Jehovah is his father. The title Lord is sometimes used to refer to others such as Abraham who Sarah called her lord. Same greek word kyrios. It doesnt mean God. Lets look at another verse and see who our one God is. 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Notice firstly that this does not read To us there is one God a father, son and holy ghost. Neither does it read There is one God the father and another God Jesus Christ. Paul knew that his God was not a trinity as much as Jesus knew this. Also notice the title Lord is used here. The title Lord is used in the bible in several places. Since the sacred name was removed from our bibles and the title Adonai was put in its place which in greek translates Kyrios and in English Lord there has been some confusion and some have went so far as to say look Jesus is Lord, therefore he is God. Lord does not mean God. Lord can be translated master or sir. Mar 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master(Lord, Kyrios, Adonai) of the house cometh. In the above the greek word kyrios is translated as master. Joh 13:13 Ye call me Master and Lord: and ye say well; for so I am. God is his father and our father. Christ the Lord is the son of the father. 2Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. Notice the identity of God as father, and Jesus as Lord again. There is one God the father, and one Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus is Gods son. Almost every single epistle starts with a similar greeting. Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. God and Christ. Clearly the apostles distinguished between God and Christ. There are a few verses that seem to identify Christ as God. We will examine those when we look at Fundamental Belief #4 which deals with the so-called doctrine God the eternal Son.

Lets look at a verse carefully to examine what we are to confess with regards to Christ. Who is he? Php 2:11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Notice that it does not say we are to confess that Jesus is God. It also does not say to the glory of God the father, son and holy spirit. God is a father alone. Before moving to the next verse. Lets note that the pioneers of the Seventh Day Adventist Church knew about the personality and individuality of our God. That our God was not 3 persons according to our early beliefs. Here are a few quotes which tell us this plainly. The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. [Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted.] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268) Notice God is not a father son and holy spirit and that he the father is a distinct individual from his son Jesus Christ. The scriptures clearly distinguish between God and Christ, Christ is not God, God is not Christ. Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ(James White, December 11, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 7, no. 11, page 85, par. 16) The Trinitarian does not distinguish between the 2 personalities of God and Christ. The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrinedestroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. The infamous, measures by which it was forced upon the church which appear upon the pages of ecclesiastical history might well cause every believer in that doctrine to blush. (J. N. Andrews, March 6, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 24, page 185) Here are some of our modern day views on this issue:

Adventist beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of present truth. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by the early Adventists. Adventist Review, Jan 6, 1994. p.10. Most of the founders of Seventh-day Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denominations Fundamental Beliefs. More specifically, most would not be able to agree to belief number 2, which deals with the doctrine of the trinity. Ministry, October 1993, p. 10. Isnt it interesting that our pioneers were not Trinitarian and could not be members of the church today if they had to subscribe to the 28 Fundamental Beliefs? Lets continue to the next verse used by the book 28 Funda mental Beliefs to seemingly teach a Trinity. Matthew 28:19 Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: First lets notice the title God is not used in this verse. The verse does not read God the father, son and holy spirit Also if we read the rest of the bible we will notice that the apostles never once baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit. So either: 1) The disciples may have been in direct rebellion against Jesus. 2) They may have misunderstood what he said. 3) Matthew 28:19 may be a gloss. Perhaps Jesus never gave this command. 4) The disciples understood the command of Jesus differently than most Trinitarians understand it today.

I dont believe we can accept answer #1 or #2. There is evidence for #3, however the scriptures cannot be broken[John 10:35] and I accept it for what it says, #4 is the explanation here. Firstly it says in the name of which is singular not in the names of which is plural. When we do something in the name of this can mean in the authority of: Christ has made baptism the sign of entrance to His spiritual kingdom. He has made this a positive condition with which all must comply who wish to be acknowledged as under the authority of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit they have forsaken the service of Satan and have become members of the royal family, children of the heavenly King. They have obeyed the command: Come out from among themAnd to them is fulfilled the promise: I will receive you, and will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters. 2 Corinthians 6:17, 18.(Ellen White FLB 145). Above is a quote declaring that they are acknowledging that they are under the authority of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But please not that when referring to us she refers to us as Gods children. We are children of the heavenly King. Children of the Father, not children of the father, and the son and the holy spirit. In the book of Acts chapter 2 Peter said: Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. They were baptized In the name of Jesus. But they recieved the gift of the Holy Ghost and this gift was given from the Father. So all 3 are present here. Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be

baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence. So again above here you see the Father gives the promise, the promise is the Holy Spirit and they are baptized in the name of Jesus. All 3 are there. This is not teaching us that God is a Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The title God is not even used in this quote. There is a parallel verse to Matthew 28:19 which documents the same event. It is in Luke 24. This reinforces the point of being baptized in the name of Jesus and receiving the gift of the father which is his holy spirit. Luk 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his[Jesus] name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. Luk 24:48 And ye are witnesses of these things. Luk 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high[the holy ghost]. [brackets added] So again we see the power the Holy Spirit the Father who gives this promise of the Holy Spirit and they are baptized in the name of Jesus. This is the exact same event as Matt 28:19 worded differently. Now, not all 3 are God. Look at this next verse which again is used as a Trinity proof text in the Fundamental Beliefs outline and there is something I want you to notice. All 3 are mentioned, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit but only 1 is called God. And to most Trinitarians this is the #1 proof text for the Trinity. But notice it teaches there is One God the father not One God the father, son and holy spirit. Lets look at the next proof text. 2 Corinthians 13:14 It says: The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Ghost, be with you all. Amen.(2 Cor 13:14) The text speaks of: 1) The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ. 2) The love of God.(The father, not the Trinity) 3) The communion of the Holy Ghost.

In this verse the title God is used only once and it is used in reference to a specific person. Obviously, it is God the Father whose love is spoken of in this verse, and, according to John 3:16, he loves us so much that he gave his only begotten Son to give grace to us that we can be drawn into communion with them both through their Holy Spirit. Jesus said, Joh 14:23 If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him. Please observe that Paul did not say we would commune with the Holy Ghost, but he speaks of the communion of the Holy Ghost. What does he mean by this? When Paul spoke of the communion of the Holy Ghost, he was showing how our communion would be. It would be by the means of the Holy Spirit that we would commune or have fellowship with God and Jesus Christ. 1 John 1:3 states, That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. According to John, we have fellowship with the Father and with his Son, through the Holy Spirit. Paul wanted this experience to remain with the Christians in Corinth and also with us today, an experience of true fellowship with the Father and with his Son through the Holy Spirit. Ephesians 4:4-6 Eph 4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; Eph 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism, Eph 4:6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. After what we have already learned regarding our One God the father and our One Lord Jesus Christ the son of the father we can see here that this is not at all a Trinitarian text. This verse is certainly not teaching One God a Father, Son and Holy spirit. How possibly could we use this text to prove a trinity? This text does not teach any such thing. God is the father alone in this text. 1 Peter 1:2

1Pe 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied. Again God the Father in this text, NOT God the father, son and holy spirit. These are the proof texts for a Trinity? These are the proof texts that teach us that we have One God a Father, Son and Holy Spirit? The verses listed if analyzed are showing us the desperation of the General Conference in clinging to this unbiblical doctrine. The next verse in the context re-enforces that God is a Father again and that Jesus is Lord again. 1Pe 1:3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, Again this is not Trinitarian at all. If you go through the entire bible and the Spirit of Prophecy you will never find the words God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. The title God is never used to refer to the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in all of these writings. You may find it in books outside scripture, but it is not found in scripture. It is confusing as to why these texts are used as proof texts, besides having God, his son and his spirit written within a close proximity of each other. But there is no need to be deceived except for if we should surface read what God has spoken. Lets look at the next verse. 1 Timothy 1:17 1Ti 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen. This is not teaching a Trinity again. Jesus Christ is the Prince of the Kings of the earth(Rev 1:5) and he is the Son of the King(Daniel 7:10, 13, 14). The King is the ancient of days. A Prince is normally a Son of the King. This verse refers to immortality in the absolute sense. Christ as Gods son gave his life back to his father. And Christ also died on the cross.

Php 2:8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. Who is the only true God according to Jesus Christ? Joh 17:1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: Joh 17:2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. Joh 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. The immortal life flows from the only wise God the father it flows out from under his throne. It is called the river of life and also known as his Holy Spirit. We will examine the Spirit furthermore later. But lets look at the throne. Let us turn our faces towards the sanctuary in heaven as many have turned their backs to it in our church and have failed to see the marvelous truth about God and his son and the work that is taking place right now on our behalf. Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. So that river of living water flows from the source. Joh 7:38-39 He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.) That living water that flows from the throne of God is the spirit. It flows through his son Jesus Christ and out through all of the children of God. It is also his immortal life as it is called the water of life. This is the immortal one in the absolute sense. As Jesus said it will even proceed out of you. But the source is none other than the father. 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. All things proceed from our One God the father and come by his son and our Lord Jesus Christ. And Paul says we have One Lord(Eph 4:5).

2Co 3:17 Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. Christ is that spirit and he has come to deliver the captives and give them liberty and freedom from the bondage and captivity to sin. This verse 1 Timothy 1:17 again is not a proof text at all for a Trinity. But rather teaches us that the father is the only wise God, the King eternal immortal and invisible. Jesus Christ is the express image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:(Colossians 1:16). God is a father, not a Trinity. Lets examine the final text used by the 28 Fundamental beliefs to prove that God is a Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Revelation 14:7 Rev 14:7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters. As Seventh Day Adventists we often behold the Judgment Scene in Daniel 7. When looking at the judgment scene we see our God sitting on his throne. This verse is not saying Worship them or Fear God and give glory to it. There is not a Trinity sitting on the throne in judgment. This verse is not teaching us to Fear God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. In fact this verse is telling us to fear and worship the true God, the Father of Jesus Christ. Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened. Dan 7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. One like the Son came to the ancient of Days. This is the Judgment spoken of in Revelation 14 which takes place in the Heavenly Sanctuary. If Christ is his son, what does that tell us about the Ancient of Days? What does that tell us about God? That he is the father alone. There is no Trinity sitting on this throne. The Trinity is not the

God that this verse is telling us to worship and in order to say this verse refers to a Trinity you would have to be quite confused. So what is the message to the General Conference of Seventh Day Adventists? Worship the true God. You are worshipping another God. A woman is often signified by a Church in scripture. In places like Revelation 12 and 17. Here in John 4we have a Woman who is worshipping another God. A Mystery God. The mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of the catholic church. Upon it are based all the teachings of the church[Handbook for todays Catholic Page 11] The Mystery of the Trinity is the central doctrine of Babylon, that is if we still believe that the Catholic Church is Babylon. A Mystery is Something that baffles understanding and cannot be explained, it cannot be known or understood. Lets look at a woman who was ignorantly worshipping a mystery God. Jesus told her about who He the true God was. Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. Fear God and give glory to himworship him.(Revelation 14:7 God the father is spirit and you are to worship him in spirit and truth. He is not a flesh and blood being. He does have a body a spiritual body, and he sits on his throne in the most Holy Place. All of the above texts tell us our God is a father, not a mystery God called a Trinity. Our God is not a Father, Son and Holy Spirit and the message to the churchs who are worshipping the gods of Babylon is this. Fear God and give glory to him.

About 25 men with their backs to the Sanctuary Ezekiel had a prophecy in Ezekiel 8 about certain abominations that were taking place and in Ezekiel 9 an angel comes and seals the servants of God with a mark in their forehead who are sighing and crying at the abominations. Mark this point with care: Those who receive the pure mark of truth, wrought in them by the power of the Holy Ghost, represented by a mark by the man in linen, are those that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the church. {Ellen White Mar 240.1} Ellen White said these abominations would be happening in the Church just as God was sealing his people in their foreheads with the seal of God. One of the abominations Ezekiel saw was about 25 or 26 men with their backs to the Sanctuary and they were worshipping the gods of Babylon. Eze 8:16 And he brought me into the inner court of the LORDS house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the LORD, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the LORD, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. It is interesting that there are 25 men who worship the sun toward the east and their backs are to the temple or sanctuary. It is my belief that you cannot see a Holy Trinity in the Sanctuary. There is only a Father and his Son. Zec 6:13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Both is not three. This is a reference to Gods sanctuary which is in heaven. In that sanctuary on the most holy seat where sits the ancient of days(the father)God and his son Jesus Christ the Lamb is at his right hand. The father is the only God seen here. THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE OF THIS (SDA) CONFERENCE SHALL BE 25 IN NUMBER (1901 General Conference Bulletin, page 379, article 4, section 1, column 1, paragraph 2) 25. This happened in 1901. Remember that number. Remember that date. What did Ms. White say about this small group of men that was established. What does Ezekiel say about 25 men? Something is seriously going wrong back in 1901 with the General Conference. Ms. White concurs. Yet we hear that the voice of the Conference is the voice of God. Every time I have heard this, I have thought it was almost blasphemy. The voice of the Conference ought to be the voice of God, but it is not, because some in connection with it are not men of faith and prayer, they are not men of elevated principle. There is not a seeking of God with the whole heart; there is not a realization of the terrible responsibility that rests upon those in this institution to mold and fashion minds after the divine similitude. Manuscript 37, 1901, p. 8. That is quite a testimony. This testimony would not go over to well in the Conference today as many would tell her that she needs to stop finger pointing. That was again in 1901 shortly after the counsel of 25 was formed. And do you think they repented from this small group of 25(20 and 5 men)Eze 8:16? Some say its about 400 now. Well actually there is a small group of 25 who still dictate what is to go through the Conference committee of 400 or so. Here is a recent statement from 1990. Here at the General Conference, the highest decision-making committee, of course, is the General Conference Committee. THERE IS A COMMITTEE THAT WE TERM GENERAL CONFERENCE OFFICERS WHICH IS MADE UP OF ABOUT TWENTYFIVE OR TWENTY-SIX INDIVIDUALS president, secretaries, and treasurers, with a few other invited individuals. THIS COMMITTEE IS A SCREENING COMMITTEE THAT DETERMINES THE ITEMS THAT NEED TO GO TO THE GENERAL CONFERENCE COMMITTEE. (Letter from the Office of the President of the General

Conference of Seventh-day Adventist, B.E. Jacobs, Administrative Assistant to the President, November 1, 1990) Notice the words above. About Twenty-Five or like Ezekiel about five and twenty. About 25 men looking to the gods of Babylon backs to the sanctuary facing the sun.This was prophecied just before the great slaughter which starts at his sanctuary.(Ezekiel 9:1-8) Notice Ezekiel prophecied 25 men looking at the sun, pointing us to the God of Babylon. Nimrod, Tammuz, Semarius, in different cultures they have different names but this is the prophecy fulfilled, the Holy Trinity. Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, The doctrine of the Trinity is a cruel heathen monstrosity, removing Jesus from his true position of Divine Savior and Mediator. It is true we can not measure or define divinity. It is beyond our finite understanding, yet on this subject of the personality of God the Bible is very simple and plain. The Father, the Ancient of Days, is from eternity Satan has taken some heathen conception of a three-headed monstrosity, and with deliberate intention to cast contempt upon divinity, has woven it into Romanism as our glorious God, an impossible, absurd invention. This monstrous doctrine transplanted from heathenism into the Roman Papal Church is seeking to intrude its evil presence into the teachings of the Third Angels Message. [Portions of a letter written by J. S. Washburn in 1939. This letter was liked by a conference president so much that he distributed it to 32 of his ministers.] Open our eyes father. To be continued

Seventh Day Adventist Pioneers on the Trinity Add comments

What does the conference church say today? Adventist beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of present truth. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not

generally held by the early Adventists. Adventist Review, Jan 6, 1994. p.10. Most of the founders of Seventh-day Adventism would not be able to join the church today if they had to subscribe to the denominations Fundamental Beliefs. More specifically, most would not be able to agree to belief number 2, which deals with the doctrine of the trinity. Ministry, October 1993, p. 10. What did they previously believe? You are mistaken in supposing that S. D. Adventists teach that Christ was ever created. They believe, on the contrary, that he was begotten of the Father, and that he can properly be called God and worshiped as such. They believe, also, that the worlds, and everything which is, was created by Christ in conjunction with the Father. They believe, however, that somewhere in the eternal ages of the past there was a point at which Christ came into existence. They think that it is necessary that God should have antedated Christ in his being, in order that Christ could have been begotten of him, and sustain to him the relation of son. They hold to the distinct personality of the Father and Son, rejecting as absurd that feature of Trinitarianism which insists that God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit are three persons, and yet but one person. S. D. Adventists hold that God and Christ are one in the sense that Christ prayed that his disciples might be one; i. e., one in spirit, purpose, and labor. See Fundamental Principles of S. D. Adventists, published at this Office.(RH April 17, 1883) What does the Spirit of Prophecy say? Those who seek to remove the old landmarks are not holding fast; they are not remembering how they have received and heard. Those who try to bring in theories that would remove the pillars of our faith concerning the sanctuary orconcerning the personality of God or of Christ, are working as blind men. They are seeking to bring in uncertainties and to set the people of God adrift without an anchor. {E. G. White, Manuscript Release No.760, p. 9} 1905 1. Christ begotten in Eternity 2. Ellen White on the Trinity 3. James White on the Trinity 4. JH Waggoner on the Trinity 5. Joseph Bates on the Trinity 6. Merrit Cornell on the Trinity 7. AT Jones on the Trinity

8. JM Stephenson on the Trinity 9. Uriah Smith on the Trinity 10. JN Andrews on the Trinity 11. RF Cotrell on the Trinity 12. DW Hull on the Trinity 13. SN Haskell on the Trinity 14. JN Loughborough on the Trinity 15. EJ Waggoner on the Trinity 16. 1939 JS Washburn letter on the Trinity The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. [Hebrews 1:1-5 quoted.] God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has beengiven an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. (Ellen White, Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, page 268) Many of our people do not realize how firmly the foundation of our faith has been laid. My husband, Elder Bates,Father pierce, Elder [Hiram] Edson, and others who were keen, noble, and true, were among those who, after the passing of the time in 1844, searched for the truth as for hidden treasure. I met with them, and we studied and prayed earnestly. light was given that helped us to understand the scriptures in regard to Christ, His mission, and His priesthood. A line of truth extending from that time to the time when we shall enter the city of God, was made plain to me, and I gave to others the instruction that the Lord had given me. . . What influence is it that would lead men at this stage of our history to work in an underhand, powerful way to tear down the foundation of our faiththe foundation that was laid at the beginning of our work by prayerful study of the Word and revelation? Upon this foundation we have been building for the past fifty years.(Selected Messages bk.1, p. 206-7 1904) Also see this link which lists many of the writings of the Pioneers of the Seventh Day Adventist Church. Writings of the pioneers

Joseph H. Waggoner: 1820 1889 (father of E. J. Waggoner) Add comments Joseph Waggoner on the Trinity

Doctrine of a Trinity Subversive of the Atonement It will no doubt appear to many to be irreverent to speak thus of the doctrine of a trinity. But we think they must view the subject in a different light if they will calmly and candidly examine the arguments which we shall present. We know that we write with the deepest feelings of reverence for the Scriptures, and with the highest regard for every Scripture doctrine and Scripture fact. But reverence for the Scriptures does not necessarily embrace reverence for mens opinions of the Scriptures. It is not our purpose to present any argument on the doctrine of the trinity, further than it has a bearing on the subject under consideration, namely, on the Atonement. And we are willing, confidently willing to leave the decision of the question with all who will carefully read our remarks, with an effort to divest themselves of prejudice, if they unfortunately possess it. The inconsistencies of Trinitarians, which must be pointed out to free the Scripture doctrine of the Atonement from reproaches under which it has too long lain, are the necessary outgrowth of their system of theology. No matter how able are the writers to whom we shall refer, they could never free themselves from inconsistencies without correcting their theology. Many theologians really think that the Atonement, in respect to its dignity and efficacy, rests upon the doctrine of a trinity. But we fail to see any connection between the two. To the contrary, the advocates of that doctrine really fall into the difficulty which they seem anxious to avoid. Their difficulty consists in this: They take the denial of a trinity to be equivalent to a denial of the divinity of Christ. Were that the case, we should cling to the doctrine of a trinity as tenaciously as any can; but it is not the case. They who have read our remarks on the death of the Son of God know that we firmly believe in the divinity of Christ; but we cannot accept the idea of a trinity, as it is held by Trinitarians, without giving up our claim on the dignity of the sacrifice made for our redemption. And here is shown how remarkably the widest extremes meet in theology. The highest Trinitarians and lowest Unitarians meet and are perfectly united on the death of

Christthe faith of both amounts to Socinianism. Unitarians believe that Christ was a prophet, an inspired teacher, but merely human; that his death was that of a human body only. Trinitarians hold that the term Christ comprehends two distinct and separate natures: one that was merely human; the other, the second person in the trinity, who dwelt in the flesh for a brief period, but could not possibly suffer, or die; that the Christ that died was only the human nature in which the divinity had dwelt. Both classes have a human offering, and nothing more. No matter how exalted the preexistent Son was; no matter how glorious, how powerful, or even eternal; if the manhood only died, the sacrifice was only human. And so far as the vicarious death of Christ is concerned, this is Socinianism. Thus the remark is just, that the doctrine of a trinity degrades the Atonement, resting it solely on a human offering as a basis. A few quotations will show the correctness of this assertion. (J. H. Waggoner, 1884, The Atonement In The Light Of Nature And Revelation, pages 164, 165) We trust that we have shown to the full conviction of every one who trembles at the word of the Lord, that the Son of God, who was in the beginning, by whom the worlds were made, suffered death for us; the oft-repeated declarations of theological writers that a mere human body died are, by the Scriptures, proved untrue. These writers take the doctrine of a trinity for their basis, and assume that Christ is the second person in the trinity, and could not die. Again, they assume that death is not a cessation of life; and between the two unscriptural assumptions they involve themselves in numerous difficulties, and load the doctrine of the Atonement with unreasonable contradictions. We would not needlessly place ourselves in opposition to the religious feelings of any class, but in order to clear the doctrine of the Atonement from the consequences of these assumptions, we are compelled to notice some of the prominent arguments presented in favor of the doctrine of a trinity. In the Manual of Atonement, 1 John 5:20 is quoted as containing most conclusive evidence of a trinity and of the Supreme Deity of Christ. It is there claimed that he is called the true God and eternal life. The whole verse reads thus: And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and eternal life. A person must be strongly wedded to a theory who can read this verse and not see the distinction therein contained between the true God and the Son of God. We are in him that is true. How? In his Son Jesus Christ. The distinction between Christ and the true God is most clearly shown by the Saviours own words in John 17:3: That they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

Much stress is laid on Isa. 9:6, as proving a trinity, which we have before quoted, as referring to our High Priest who shed his blood for us. The advocates of that theory will say that it refers to a trinity because Christ is called the everlasting Father. But for this reason, with others, we affirm that it can have no reference to a trinity. Is Christ the Father in the trinity? If so, how is he the Son? or if he is both Father and Son, how can there be a trinity? for a trinity is three persons. To recognize a trinity, the distinction between the Father and Son must be preserved. Christ is called the second person in the trinity; but if this text proves a trinity, or refers to it at all, it proves that he is not the second, but the first. And if he is the first, who is the second? It is very plain that this text has no reference to such a doctrine. (J. H. Waggoner, 1884, The Atonement In The Light Of Nature And Revelation, pages 167-169) As before remarked, the great mistake of Trinitarians, in arguing this subject, is this: they make no distinction between a denial of a trinity and a denial of the divinity of Christ. They see only the two extremes, between which the truth lies; and take every expression referring to the pre-existence of Christ as evidence of a trinity. The Scriptures abundantly teach the pre-existence of Christ and his divinity; but they are entirely silent in regard to a trinity. The declaration, that the divine Son of God could not die, is as far from the teachings of the Bible as darkness is from light. And we would ask the Trinitarian, to which of the two natures are we indebted for redemption? The answer must, of course, be, To that one which died or shed his blood for us; for we have redemption through his blood. Then it is evident that if only the human nature died, our Redeemer is only human, and that the divine Son of God took no part in the work of redemption, for he could neither suffer nor die. Surely, we say right, that the doctrine of a trinity degrades the Atonement, by bringing the sacrifice, the blood of our purchase, down to the standard of Socinianism. (J. H. Waggoner, 1884, The Atonement In The Light Of Nature And Revelation, page 173) (This is also found in Review & Herald, November 10, 1863, vol. 22, page 189) The divinity and pre-existence of our Saviour are most clearly proved by those scriptures which refer to him as the Word.In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made. John 1:1-3. This expresses plainly a pre-existent divinity. The same writer again says: That which was from the beginning, the Word of life. 1 John 1:1. What John calls the Word, in these passages, Paul calls the Son, in Heb. 1:1-3. God hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power. In other places

in this letter this same exalted one is called Jesus Christ. In these passages we find the divinity or higher nature of our Lord expressed. Indeed, language could not more plainly express it; therefore it is unnecessary to call other testimony to prove it, it being already sufficiently proved. The first of the above quotations says the Word was God, and also the Word was with God. Now it needs no proofindeed it is self-evidentthat the Word as God, was not the God whom he was with. And as there is but one God, the term must be used in reference to the Word in a subordinate sense, which is explained by Pauls calling the same pre-existent person the Son of God. This is also confirmed by Johns saying that the Word was with the Father. 1 John 1:2; also calling the Word his Son Jesus Christ. Verse 3. Now it is reasonable that the Son should bear the name and title of his Father, especially when the Father makes him his exclusive representative to man, and clothes him with such powerby whom he made the worlds. That the term God is used in such a sense is also proved by Paul, quoting Ps. 45:6, 7, and applying it to Jesus. But unto the son, he saith, Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. Heb. 1:8, 9. Here the title of God is applied to the Son, and his God anointed him. This is the highest title he can bear, and it is evidently used here in a sense subordinate to its application to his Father. It is often asserted that this exalted one came to earth and inhabited a human body, which he left in the hour of its death. But the Scriptures teach that this exalted one was the identical person that died on the cross; and in this consists the immense sacrifice made for manthe wondrous love of God and condescension of his only Son. John says, The Word of life, that which was from the beginning, which was with the Father, that exalted, pre-existent One which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled. 1 John 1:1, 2. (J. H. Waggoner, 1884,The Atonement In The Light Of Nature And Revelation, pages 152154) Ques. What is Sunday, or the Lords Day in general? Ans. It is a day dedicated by the Apostles to the honor of the most holy Trinity, and in memory that Christ our Lord arose from the dead upon Sunday, sent down the holy Ghost on a Sunday, &c.; and therefore it is called the Lords Day. It is also called Sunday from the old Roman denomination of Dies Solis, the day of the sun, to which it was sacred. Douay Catechism, page 143. (J. H. Waggoner, July 18, 1854, Review & Herald, vol. 5, no. 24, page 86, par. 16-18)

Joseph Bates: 1792 1872 on the Trinity Add comments Joseph Bates on the Trinity My parents were members of long standing in the Congregational church, with all of their converted children thus far, and anxiously hoped that we would also unite with them. But they embraced some points in their faith which I could not understand. I will name two only: their mode of baptism, and doctrine of the trinity. My father, who had been a deacon of long standing with them, labored to convince me that they were right in points of doctrine. Respecting the trinity, I concluded that it was an impossibility for me to believe that the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, was also the Almighty God, the Father, one and the same being. I said to my father, If you can convince me that we are one in this sense, that you are my father, and I your son; and also that I am your

father, and you my son, then I can believe in the trinity. (Joseph Bates, 1868, The Autobiography Of Elder Joseph Bates, page 204) One thing more: Much derision is made about those of our company that have joined the Shakers. I say it is a shame to them first, to have preached so clearly and distinctly the speedy coming of our Lord Jesus Christ personally to gather his saintsand then to go and join the Shakers in their faith, that he (Jesus) came spiritually in their Mother, Ann Lee, more than seventy years ago. This, without doubt in my mind, is owing to their previous teaching and belief in a doctrine called the trinity. How can you find fault with their faith while you are teaching the very essence of that neverno never to be understood, doctrine? For their comfort and faith, and of course your own, you say Christ is God, and God is love. As you have given no explanation, we take it to come from you as a literal exposition of the word; We believe that Peter and his master settled this question beyond controversy, Matt. 16:13-19; and I cannot see why Daniel and John has not fully confirmed that Christ is the Son, and, not God the Father. How could Daniel explain his vision of the 7th chapter, if Christ was God. Here he sees one like the Son (and it cannot be proved that it was any other person) of man, and there was given him Dominion, and Glory, and a kingdom; by the ancient of days. Then John describes one seated on a throne with a book in his right hand, and he distinctly saw Jesus come up to the throne and take the book out of the hand of him that sat thereon. Now if it is possible to make these two entirely different transactions appear in one person, then I could believe that God died and was buried instead of Jesus, and that Paul was mistaken when he said, Now the God of peace that brought again from the dead out Lord Jesus that great shepherd of the sheep &c., and that Jesus also did not mean what he said when he asserted that he came from God, and was going to God, &c.&c,; and much more, if necessary, to prove the utter absurdity of such a faith. (A letter written by Joseph Bates to William Miller, 1848, Past And Present Experience, page 187)

Merritt E. Cornell: 1827 1893 on the Trinity Add comments Merritt Cornell on the Trinity

Protestants and Catholics are so nearly united in sentiment, that it is not difficult to conceive how Protestants may make an image to the Beast. The mass of Protestants believe with Catholics in the Trinity, immortality of the soul, consciousness of the dead, rewards and punishments at death, the endless torture of the wicked, inheritance of the saints beyond the skies, sprinkling for baptism, and the PAGAN SUNDAY for the Sabbath; all of which is contrary to the spirit and letter of the new testament. Surely there is between the mother and daughters, a striking family resemblance. (M. E. Cornell, 1858, Facts For The Times, page 76) Who are Mormons? SOMETIMES our opponents, failing in argument, for effect, raise the cry of Mormonism. They cannot show that our views of spiritual gifts are unscriptural, or unreasonable, but because the Mormons professed to have those gifts, they think it a happy hit to excite prejudice against us, by calling us Mormons. But this charge loses all its force when we consider that faith in spiritual gifts is not peculiar to the Mormons. The most devoted and learned men of the Protestant sects have claimed the same thing both in theory and practice. [See work entitled Miraculous Powers, published at Review Office.] The truth is, we do not believe with the Mormons on a single point that is peculiar to them. But if to agree with the Mormons on leading points of doctrine, makes a man worthy of their name, then, verily the orthodox churches of the day are full of Mormons. 1. The Mormon Creed teaches the doctrine of the Trinity. That Christ was the God, the Father of all things. Mormon Bible, Book of Mosiah, par. 5. Behold! I am Jesus Christ. I am the Father and the Son. Book of Esther, ch. 1, par. 3. Is the Son of God the very Eternal Father? Yea, he is the very Eternal Father. Book of Alma, ch. 8, par. 7. 2. They believe in an immaterial God. It is truth, light, and love, that we worship and adore; these are the same in all worlds; and as these constitute God, He is the same in all worlds; wherever you find a fullness of wisdom, knowledge, truth, goodness, love and such like qualities, there you find God in all his glory, power, and majesty therefore if you worship these adorable qualities you worship God. Mormon Seer pp. 24, 25.

Compare the above with Mr. H. W. Beecher in the Independent A. D. 1859. A dim and shadowy effulgence arises from Christ, and that I am taught to call the Father. A yet more tenuous and invisible film of thought arises, and that is the Holy Spirit. But neither are to me aught tangible, restful, accessible. That Christ is the very and eternal God, and that God is immaterial, without body, parts or passions, is the teaching of most of the church creeds. 3. They believe in rewards and punishments at death. Immortal spirit joined with the choir above at Benjamins death. Book of Mosiah, ch. 1, par. 8. 4. They believe the second death is endless torment. Then cometh a death, even a second death, which is a spiritual death. They cannot die seeing there is no more corruption. Alma, ch. 9, par. 2, 3. Lake of fire is endless torment. Book of Jacob ch. 4, p. 140. 5. The Mormons keep the Pagan, Sunday, so do Protestants in general. But why go farther? There is not a class of religious people in the world that differ with the Mormons in both theory and practice more widely than the Seventh-day Adventists.Those very men who charge us with Mormonism, agree with the Mormons in ten points to our one. We conclude therefore that such persons have simply mistaken the parties, and raise a charge applicable to themselves alone, to create prejudice against another class to whom it does not apply. (M. E. Cornell, April 7, 1863, Review & Herald, vol. 21, page 149, par. 5-16) Scriptural Investigation WHILE at West Union, I noticed that the doctrine of mans mortality produced a great stir among the people. In a discussion with Eld. R. Swearagen (Methodist) on the nature of man, the truth shone brighter for the scouring it received. Proposition. Do the Scriptures teach that man possesses an immortal, conscious principle?

This question was discussed before Judge McClintock as moderator, for seven evenings. The investigation made sale for books and tracts, and I think the result is as good as the generality of discussions. The brethren thought we could not well avoid it, as the cause might suffer if we appeared to be afraid to meet their positions. As a full report would be tedious, I give but a brief selection from the many positions and arguments. Swearagen. Christ gave up his soul, not merely his breath. He says, I have power to lay down my life, and have power to take it again. Something was conscious to take the life again. Reply. His soul was the offering. Hath poured out his soul unto death. Isa. 53:10-12. The offering must die. The Son could take his life again when his Father gave it to him. We have testified of God that he raised up Christ. 1 Cor. 15:15. Whom God hath raised up, having loosed the pains of death. Acts 2:24. Thou (God) wilt not leave my soul in hell (hades or grave) neither wilt thou suffer thy Holy One to see corruption. Verse 27. S. He is not satisfied when he says the soul of man dies with the body, but he rises higher in his blasphemy, and says, The soul of Christ diedthat divinity died! He even kills a part of God! What awful blasphemy!! R. If it be blasphemy to say that the divine Son of God died, how much greater blasphemy is found in the Methodist DisciplineVery God and very man, who truly suffered, was crucified, dead and buried, &c. Watson, speaking of Christs death, says, The death of One who partook of flesh and blood, in that lower nature he dies. Sufferings and death of the incarnate Deity.Institutes, pp. 219, 259. Dr. Clarke says, A body was prepared for the eternal Logos, and in that body he came to do the will of God, that is, to suffer and die. Com. on Heb. 10:6. This charge of blasphemy is not only against his own Discipline, and principal theologian, and commentator, but his hymn book is full of such blasphemy. The incarnate God hath died for me. Hymn 133, revised ed. Christ, the mighty Maker, died.146. The rising God forsakes the tomb.148.

Down from the shining seats above, With joyful haste he fled; Entered the grave in mortal flesh, And dwelt among the dead.131. But worst of all, this awful charge is against the Bible. In John 1:2, 14, we learn that the Word which was in the beginning with God, was made flesh. And in Heb. 1:2, 3, the Son of God, who was the express image of his person, did by himself purge our sins. That which was the express image of God, was the sacrifice, and of course had to die. In Phil. 2:5-8, Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus; who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God; but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. There is nothing more clearly taught in the Scriptures than that he that came down from heaven died; that he was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, and was put to death in the flesh. Heb. 2:9; 1 Pet. 3:18. He hath poured out his soul unto death. Isa. 53:12. If Christ died, soul and body, and was raised, soul and body, then man will be raised from the dead, soul and body, for Christ in his resurrection was the first-fruits (or sample) of them that slept. 1 Cor. 15:20. If, as Clarke says, the Eternal Logos did suffer and die, it is folly to talk about an essential part of man not being subject to death. Such talk sounds much like the echo to that lie of the old serpent, Thou shalt not surely die. (M. E. Cornell, December 23, 1862, I vol. 21, no. 4, pages 25, 26)

Alonzo T. Jones: 1850 1923 on the Trinity Add comments AT Jones on the Trinity He who was born in the form of God took the form of man. In the flesh he was all the while as God, but he did not appear as God. He divested himself of the form of God, and in its stead took the form and fashion of man. The glories of the form of God, He for awhile relinquished. (A. T. Jones, General Conference Bulletin1895, page 448) He was born of the Holy Ghost. In other words, Jesus Christ was born again. He came from heaven, Gods first-born, to the earth, and was born again. But all in Christs work goes by opposites for us: He, the sinless one, was made to be sin in order that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him. He, the living One, the Prince and Author of life, died that we might live. He whose goings forth have been from the days of eternity, the first-born of God, was born again in order that we might be born again. (Christian Perfection, paragraphs 53, 54 A Sermon By A. T. Jones, Review & Herald, July 7 August 1, 1899) (This is also found inLessons on Faith, page 154) 11. In accordance with this opinion then, what has been done? The Christian religion, that is, Christianity, general Christianity, is legally recognized and declared to be the established religion of this nation, and that consequently this is a Christian nation. With this also, in language more or less emphatic, there is justified as the meaning of the Constitution of the United States, (1) the maintenance of the discipline of the Churches by the civil power; (2) the requirement of the religious oath; (3) the requirement of the religious test oath as a qualification for office; (4) public taxation for the support of religion and religious teachers; (5) the requirement of a belief in the Trinity and the inspiration of the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments; (6) the guilt of blasphemy upon everyone who speaks or acts in contempt of the

established religion; and (7) laws for the observance of Sunday, with the general cessation of all secular business. 12. Now what more was ever required by the papacy, and all phases of the old order of things, than is thus brought within the meaning of the national Constitution by this decision? What more was ever required by the papacy itself than that the Christian religion should be the national religion; that the discipline of the Church should be maintained by the civil power; that the religious test oath should be applied to all; that the public should be taxed for the support of religion and religious worship; that there should be required a belief in the doctrine of the Trinity, and the inspiration of the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testament; that the guilt of blasphemy should be visited upon everyone who should speak or act in contempt of the religion professed by almost the whole community; and that everybody should be required by law to observe Sunday? Indeed, what more than this could be required or even desired by the most absolute religious despotism that could be imagined? (A. T. Jones, 1901, Ecclesiastical Empire, pages 837, 838) Here is a distinctly religious qualification required. The applicant shall prove that he is a regularly ordained minister of some religious denomination and must be recommended by some authorized ecclesiastical body. It is true that he is not required directly by this law, to declare that he believes in the Trinity, or the communion of saints, or the resurrection of the dead. It is true he is not required to pass such a direct test as that. But he is required to be religious and to belong to a religious denomination. If he is not this, he cannot be appointed. This is nothing else than a religious test as a qualification for office under the United States, and is clearly a violation of that clause of the Constitution which declares that No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification of any office of public trust under the United States. More than this: although, as stated above, no direct test as to a belief in the Trinity, etc., is required, the same thing is done indirectly. For in order to be an ordained minister in good standing in some religious denomination, he must necessarily pass a close and searching test upon many religious points. Therefore this requirement does indirectly what it does not do directly, and is just as certainly a violation of the Constitution, as though it were done directly. (A. T. Jones, 1891, The Two Republics, page 801) Another, and the most notable of all the victims of Calvins theocracy, was Servetus, who had opposed the Catholic doctrine of the Trinity, and also infant baptism; and had published a book entitled Christianity Restored, in which he declared his sentiments. At the instance and by the aid of Calvin, he had been prosecuted by the papal Inquisition, and condemned to death for blasphemy and heresy, but he escaped from their prison in Dauphine, in France, and in making his way to Italy, passed through

Geneva, and there remained a short time. He was just about to start for Zurich, when at the instigation of Calvin, he was seized, and out of the book before mentioned, was accused of blasphemy. The result, as everybody knows, was that he was burned to death. The followers of Servetus were banished from Geneva. (A. T. Jones, 1891, The Two Republics, page 590) He is the One whom the Lord possessed in the beginning of His way; who was set up from everlasting; who was by Him as one brought up with Him. Proverbs 8:22, 23, 30. He is the one whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of Eternity. Micah 5:2, (with margin). He is the only begotten of the Father, and is therefore in very substance of the nature of God; in Him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily; He, therefore, by divine right of inheritance, bears from the Father the name of God. John 3:16; Colossians 2:9; Hebrews 1:4-8. Thus Christ Jesus was indeed by divine and eternal right one of God equal with God."[AT Jones, The spirit of Papacy] But, having finished His work in His prophetic office on earth, and having ascended to heaven at the right hand of the throne of God, He is now and there our great High Priest who ever liveth to make intercession for us, as it is written: He shall be a priest upon His [Father's] throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both. Zech. 6:12, 13.[AT Jones The Consecrated Way].

J. M. Stephenson on the Trinity Add comments JM Stephenson on the Trinity In reference to his dignity, he is denominated the Son of God, before his incarnation. Hear his own language: He that speaketh of himself, seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true. John 7:18. Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God. Chap. 10:36. In this was manifest the love of God toward us, because

God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins. 1 John 4:9, 10. The idea of being sent implies that he was the Son of God antecedent to his being sent. To suppose otherwise is to suppose that a father can send his son on an errand before that son has an existence, which would be manifestly absurd. To say that God sent his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, is equivalent to saying that the Son of God assumed our nature; he must therefore have been the Son of God before his incarnation. (J. M. Stephenson, November 7, 1854, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 13, page 99, par. 10) But in the last place, on this point, What was the origin of this nature; or in other words, the origin of the Son of God. It is admitted by Trinitarians that the pre-existence, simply considered, does not prove his eternal God-head, nor his eternal Son-ship. Says Watson, a standard writer of the Trinitarian School, His pre-existence, indeed, simply considered, does not evince his God-head, and is not therefore, a proof against the Arian hypothesis; but it destroys the Socinian notion, that he was a man only. For since no one contends for the pre-existence of human souls, and if they did, the doctrine would be confuted by their own consciousness, it is clear, that if Christ existed before his incarnation, he is not a mere man, whatever his nature, by other arguments may be proved to be. This is an honest acknowledgment plainly expressed. And in reference to his nature, it has been shown to be Divine; and being such, it must have been immortal. Indeed this proposition is self-evident; for he who is Divine, must be immortal. We cannot suppose that Christ was mortal, and, as such, would have been subject to death, had not the plan of redemption been devised; he must, therefore, in his original nature, have been deathless. The question now to be considered, then, is not whether the only begotten Son of God was Divine, immortal, or the most dignified and exalted being, the Father only excepted, in the entire Universe; all this has been proved, and but few will call it in question; but whether this August Personage is self- existent and eternal, in its absolute, or unlimited sense; or whether in his highest nature, and character, he had an origin, and consequently beginning of days. The idea of Father and Son supposes priority of the existence of the one, and the subsequent existence of the other. To say that the Son is as old as his Father, is a palpable contradiction of terms. It is a natural impossibility for the Father to be as young as the Son, or the Son to be as old as the Father. If it be said that this term is only used in an accommodated sense, it still remains to be accounted for, why the Father should use as the uniform title of the highest, and most endearing relation between himself and our Lord, a term which, in its

uniform signification, would contradict the very idea he wished to convey. If the inspired writers had wished to convey the idea of the co-etaneous existence, and eternity of the Father and Son, they could not possibly have used more incompatible terms. And of this, Trinitarians have been sensible. Mr. Fuller, although a Trinitarian, had the honesty to acknowledge, in the conclusion of his work on the Son-ship of Christ, that, in the order of nature, the Father must have existed before the Son.But with this admission, he attempts to reconcile the idea of the Sons being properly eternal, as well as the Father; two ideas utterly irreconcilable. The idea of an eternal Son is a self-contradiction. He must, therefore have an origin. But what saith the Scriptures? They speak right to the point. The apostle Paul says, speaking of Christ, Who is the image of the invisible God, the first born of every creature. Col. 1:15. Notice, 1st. This cannot refer to his birth of the Virgin Mary, in Bethlehem of Judea, because millions of creatures, in connection with this world, had been born previous to that time. Cain and Abel had been born more than four thousand years previously. 2nd. The following verse makes his birth antecedent to the creation of all things in heaven and on earth, including all worlds, all ranks and orders of intelligences, visible and invisible. For by him. By whom? Ans. By the first born of every creature. The pronoun him refers to this being for its antecedent. For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him. Verse 16. All things in heaven and in earth, visible and invisible, thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers, evidently include all the orders of created intelligences. Now, he must have been born, i.e., had a real intelligent existence, before he could exercise creative power. But all the works of creation are ascribed to him as the first born of every creature; hence the birth here spoken of, must have been previous to the existence of the first creature in heaven or in earth. To be such, it must refer to his Divine nature, unless he had two distinctive natures before his incarnation; for which no one contends. But the 17th verse fixes the priority of the birth here spoken of. And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Here the pronoun he refers to the same person for its antecedent, that the pronoun him does; and both refer to the first born of every creature. And the all things, he is before, in this verse, are evidently the all things named in the previous verse. Hence the point is fully established, that it is the Divine nature of our blessed Redeemer which is here spoken of; and that this nature was born: and in reference to his order, he was the first born. Again, in John 1:1-3, 14, we have the same class of evidence. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the

beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In the beginning, evidently refers to the commencement of the series of events brought to view in these verses, which was the creation of all things. This gives the only begotten of the Father (see verse 14) intelligent existence before the first act of creative power was put forth, and proves that it is his Divine nature here spoken of; and that too, in connection with the creation of all things. In verse 14, this Word, who was in the beginning with God, who was God, and by whom all things were made, that were made, is declared to be the only begotten of the Father, thereby teaching that in his highest nature he was begotten; and consequently as such, he must have had a beginning. Associate the many occurrences of the term, only begotten Son of God, with the person, nature, and time, brought to view in the foregoing verses; and if any doubts still remain, in reference to the Divine nature of the only begotten Son of God having had an origin, you may compare them with those texts which exclude the possibility of his being eternal, in the sense of his never having had a beginning of days; such as The blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings, and Lord of lords,: who only hath immortality. 1 Tim. 6:16. This cannot be understood in the sense of none having deathless natures, or being exempt from death, except the Father; for Christ at that time was immortal in this sense: so were all the angels who had kept their first estate; it must, therefore be understood in the same sense, that we all understand, his being the only Potentate; not that there are no other potentates; but that he is the only Supreme Ruler. There cannot be two Supreme Rulers at the same time. Again, where it is declared, that there are none good except the Father, it cannot be understood that none others are good in a relative sense; for Christ and angels, are good, yea perfect, in their respective sphere; but that the Father alone is supremely, or absolutely, good; and that he alone is immortal in an absolute sense; that he alone is self-existent; and, that, consequently, every other being, however high or low, is absolutely dependent upon him for life; for being. This idea is most emphatically expressed by our Saviour himself; For as the Father hath life in himself, so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself. John 5:26. This would be singular language for one to use who had life in his essential nature, just as much as the Father. To meet such a view, it should read thus: For as the Father hath life in himself, so hath the Son life in himself. If as Trinitarians argue, the Divine nature of the Son hath life in himself (.e., is self existent) just the same, and in as absolute a sense, as the Father, why should he represent himself as actually dependent upon the Father for life? What propriety in representing the Father as conferring upon him a gift which he had possessed from all

eternity? If it be said that his human nature derived its life from the Father, I would answer, It does not thus read; or even if it did, I would still urge the impropriety of the human nature of the Son of God representing itself as being absolutely dependent upon the Father for the gift of life. Would it not be much more reasonable, in such case, for the human nature of Christ to derive its life, and vitality, from its union with the Divine nature, instead of from its union with the Father? I understand this passage according to the natural import of the language: For as the Father hath life (i.e., existence) in himself, (i.e., self-existent,) so hath he given to the Son to have life (i.e., existence) in himself. I know I will be referred to the declaration of our Saviour, I have power to lay down my life, and to take it up again. John 10:18. Read the last clause of this verse: This commandment (commissionCampbell) have I received of my Father. I will conclude the evidence upon this point by quoting one more passage. Paul says, And again, when he bringeth the first-begotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him. Heb. 1:6. He must have been his Son before he could send him into the world. In verse 2, the Father declares that he made the worlds by the same Son he is here represented as sending into the world. His Son must have existed before he created the worlds; and he must have been begotten before he existed; hence the begetting here spoken of, must refer to his Divine nature, and in reference to his order, he is the first-begotten; hence as a matter of necessity he must have been the first born of every creature. Col. 1:15. The first born of every creature. Having investigated the original nature, glory and dignity of our Lord and Master; having gazed a few moments upon the face of him who is the fairest among ten thousand, and altogether lovely; having had a glance at the celestial glory he had with the Father, before the world was, and beheld that matchless form which is the image of the invisible God; and having looked with wonder and admiration upon this August personage, exalted far above angels and thrones and dominions, principalities and powers; we are prepared, as far as our feeble perceptions can comprehend, to appreciate that amazing love and condescension which induced our adorable Redeemer to forego all the glories and honors of heaven, and all the endearments of his Fathers presence. Although all his Fathers treasures were his, yet he became so poor, that, he had not where to lay his head; oft-times the cold, damp earth being his only bed, and the blue heavens his only covering; a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief, scoffed at by

the Jews, and mocked by the Gentiles; a houseless stranger, he wore out his life under the ignoble garb of a servant, and last of all died, the just for the unjust, and took his exit from the world under the infamous character of a malefactor. O! was ever love like this! Did ever mercy stoop so low? (J. M. Stephenson, November 14, 1854, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 14, pages 105, 106) I will select a few passages, in which, in the highest character ascribed to him [Christ] in the Bible, he is represented as humbling himself and becoming obedient unto death: where the same identical being who had glory with the Father before the world was, is represented as dying. Paul, speaking of Christs highest nature, says, Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God. Phil. 2:6. That this verse refers to his Divine nature, all admit, who believe he had a Divine nature; yet it is emphatically declared in the two verses following, that he made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death. Here it is expressly declared that this exalted being who was in the form of God, humbled himself, 1st, by becoming man; 2nd, by becoming obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. (J. M. Stephenson, November 21, 1854, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 15, page 113) We are prepared at this point of the investigation, to understand the relation the sacrifice of Christ, or the atonement, sustains to the law of God. In presenting this part of the subject, I shall compare what I understand to be the Bible view, with the two theories upon this point, believed by most of Christendom. They are the Unitarian and Trinitarian views. These views occupy the two extreme points. Many of the most eminent writers, in the Unitarian school, deny the pre-existence of the Son of God, as a real personality; but take the position that he was a good, yea, a perfect man. I would look with the highest degree of admiration upon the magnanimity and selfsacrifice of a king of spotless purity, just and good, and loved by all his subjects, who, for the forfeited lives of a few rebellious subjects in a remote province of his kingdom, would voluntarily descend from his throne, and exile himself in the garb of the meanest peasant, wear out his life in acts of kindness toward them, and last of all, die the most infamous and ignominious death, to save their lives, and bring them back in allegiance to his throne. Such an act of disinterestedness and love would fill the world with the loudest songs of praise and admiration; but, however great and praise-worthy such an act might justly appear, it falls almost infinitely below the claims of Jehovahs abused and violated law. I cannot conceive how the life of one man, however good or perfect, or benevolent, could render an equivalent for the forfeited lives of all the millions of the human race,

whose characters, in case of perfect obedience, would be equally exceptionless. I cannot conceive how the death of one good man could render an adequate atonement for the lives of so many millions. But, according to the views of these writers, we have only the death of a good mans body, while all that is noble, dignified, responsible, and intelligent, survives death, nay, by this very act, is exalted to higher degrees of bliss and glory. The Trinitarian view, I think is equally exceptionable. They claim that the Son of God had three distinct natures at the same time; viz., a human body, a human soul, united with his Divine nature: the body being mortal, the soul immortal, the Divinity co-equal, co-existent, and co-eternal with the everlasting Father. Now, none of the advocates of this theory, claim that either his soul or Divinity died, that the body was the only part of this triple being which actually died the death of the cross; hence, according to this view (which makes the death of Christ the grand atoning sacrifice for the sins of the world) we only have the sacrifice of the most inferior partthe human bodyof the Son of God. But it is claimed that his soul suffered the greater part of the penaltyyet it did not suffer the death of the cross: it deserted the body in its greatest extremity, and left it to bear alone the death penalty; hence, the death of the cross is still only the death of a human body. But even admitting that in his highest nature as a human being, he suffered, all of which his nature, as such, was susceptible, during his whole life, and then died the ignominious death of the crosseven then, such a sacrifice would come almost infinitely short of the demands of Gods just and holy law, which has been violated by all of Adams race, (infants excepted,) and trodden under foot with impunity, for so many thousands of years. Of this Trinitarians themselves are sensible; hence, they represent his Divinity as the altar upon which his humanity was sacrificed; and then estimate the intrinsic value of the sacrifice by that of the altar upon which it was offered. But if I understand the theory under consideration, the Divine nature of Jesus Christ had no part nor lot in this matter; for this nature suffered no loss, indeed, made no sacrifice whatever. Suppose a king to unite the dignity of his only son with one of his poorest peasants, so far as to call him his son; and then should subject this peasant under the character of his own son, to a life of poverty, privation and suffering, and then crucify him under the character of a malefactor, while his real son enjoyed all the blessings of life, health, ease, honor and glory of his fathers courtwould any one contend in such case, that because he was called after the name, and clothed with honorary titles of the kings

son, and died in this character, that therefore his suffering and death would be entitled to all the dignity and honor of his real son? In this case, all the sacrifice is made by the peasant. The son has no part nor lot in the matter. It is emphatically the offering of a peasant, and worth just as much as he is worth, had just as much dignity, and no more. The same is true in reference to the sacrifice of Christ, according to the above view. His humanity suffered all that was suffered, made all the sacrifice that was made; his privation, suffering and death are, therefore, entitled to all the value, dignity and honor, this nature could confer upon it, and no more. Hence, according to this theory, we have only a human sacrifice; and the question still remains to be answered, How can the life of one human being make an adequate atonement for the lives of thousands of millions of others? So, after all that has been said and written by these two schools, it appears that there is no real difference in their respective theories, in reference to the atonement; both have, in fact, only a human sacrifice: but with reference to their views of the highest nature of the Son of God, they are as far asunder as finitude, and infinitude, time and eternity. The former makes the only Begotten of the Father, a mere mortal, finite man; the latter makes him the Infinite, Omnipotent, All-wise, and Eternal God, absolutely equal with the Everlasting Father. Now, I understand the truth to be in the medium between these two extremes. I have proved, as I think conclusively, 1st, that the Son of God in his highest nature existed before the creation of the first world, or the first intelligent being in the vast Universe; 2nd, that he had an origin; that he was the first born of every creature; the beginning of the creation of God; [Rev. 3:14;] 3rd, that, in his highest nature, all things in heaven and in earth were created, and are upheld, by him; 4th, in his dignity, he was exalted far above all the angels of heaven, and all the kings and potentates of earth; 5th, in his nature he was immortal, (not in an absolute sense,) and Divine; 6th, in his titles and privileges, he was the only begotten of his Father, whose glory he shared before the world was; the image of the invisible God; in the form of God; and thought it not robbery to be equal with God; the likeness of his Fathers glory and express image of his person; the Word who was in the beginning with God and who was God. This was the exalted, and dignified, personage, who was sacrificed for the sins of the worldthese are the privileges he voluntarily surrendered; and although rich, for our sake he became poor: he made himself of no reputation, and became man; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross, to declare the righteousness of God, that he might be just and the justifier of him that believeth in Jesus.

Here was real humility; not a mere pretense or show; here, we behold the amazing spectacle of the well-beloved and only begotten Son of God, the first born of every creature, voluntarily divesting himself of the glory he had with the Father before the world, coming down from heaven, his high and holy habitation, and though rich becoming so poor that he had not where to lay his head, the blessed Word who was in the beginning with God, and who was God, actually becoming flesh, in the ignoble garb of a servantsubjecting himself to all the privations, temptations, sorrows, and afflictions, to which poor fallen humanity is subjected; and then to complete this unprecedented sacrifice, we see this once honored, but now humbledthis once exalted, but now abased personage, expiring, as a malefactor, upon the accursed cross; and last of all descending into the depths of the dark and silent tomb a symbol of the lowest degree of humiliation. This, this, is the sacrifice, the only begotten of the Father offered as an atonement for the sins of the world; this is the being who was actually sacrificed, and this the price the Son of God actually paid for our redemption. Hence, in reference to its dignity, it is the sacrifice of the most exalted and dignified being in the vast empire of God; nay, the sacrifice of the Kings only begotten Son. In reference to its intrinsic value, who can estimate the worth of Gods darling Son? It is, to say the least of it, an equivalent for the dignity, the lives, and eternal interests of the whole world; nay further, it is equal in value to all the moral interest of the whole intelligent creation, and equal in dignity and honor to the moral government of the Supreme Ruler of the Universe. In reference to its nature, it is Divine; hence we have a Divine sacrifice, in contradistinction to the Trinitarian and Unitarian views, which make it only a human sacrifice. In reference to its fullness, it is infinite, boundless. Yes, thank God, there is enough for each, enough for all, enough for ever more; enough to save an intelligent Universe, were they all sinners; and lastly, in reference to its adaptation to mans conditions and necessities, it is absolutely perfect. (J. M. Stephenson, November 21, 1854, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 15, page 114, par. 1-6) The position I have taken in reference to the nature, origin, and incarnation of the Son of God, will be objected to by many. I am willing to suspend all the Bible objections, which may be urged against these views, upon the evidence therein adduced, except one; that is the supposed evidence of his being absolutely equal with the Father, the Supreme and only true God. This view is urged, 1st. From the fact that the highest titles the Father ever claimed are applied to the Son. If this were true, it would be unanswerable; but that it is not, is evident from the

following titles of supremacy which are never applied to the Son. I will quote the following from Henry Grews work on the Sonship, p. 48. Although the Son of God is honored with appropriate titles of dignity and glory, he is distinguished from the only true God, by the following titles of supremacy which belong to the invisible God alone. Jehovah, Whose name alone is Jehovah. (Ps. 83:18) The eternal God. (Deut. 33:27) Most High God. (Mark 5:7; Dan. 5:18) God alone. (Ps. 86:10; Isa. 37:16) Lord alone. (Neh. 9:6) God of heaven. (Dan. 2:44) Besides me there is no God. (Isa. 44:6) Who only hath immortality. (1 Tim. 6:16) The only true God. (John 17:3) The King eternal, immortal, invisible. (1 Tim. 1:17) The only wise God. (1 Tim. 1:17) Lord, God Omnipotent. (Rev. 19:6) Blessed and only Potentate. (1 Tim. 6:15) One God and Father of all. (Eph. 4:6) The only Lord God. (Jude 4) There is but one God, the Father. (1 Cor. 8:6)

2nd. He exercised power and prerogatives which belong to the supreme God alone. I cannot answer this objection more forcibly than by presenting the Trinitarian view, and Bible view, in contrast. In doing this, I will avail myself of a list of quotations presented by the same author. pp. 66, 67. CHRIST AND HIS APOSTLES To us there is but one God the Father. (1 Cor. 8:6) My Father is greater than I. (John 14:28) Who is the image of the invisible God, the first born of every creature. (Col. 1:15) The Son can do nothing of himself. (John 5:19) But of that day, &c., knoweth no man, no not the angels, &c., neither the Son, but the Father. (Mark 13:32) All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth, (Matt. 28:18) As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. (John 17:2) God who created all things by Jesus Christ.(Eph. 3:9) The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave unto him. (Rev. 1:1) For there is one God, and one Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus. (1 Tim. 2:5) Denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (Jude 4) Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles, and signs, and wonders which God did by him. (Acts 2:22) For as the Father hath life in himself, so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself. (John 5:26) I live by the Father. (John 6:57)

This is my Son. (Matt. 3:17) That they might know thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent. (John 17:3) That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. (Phil. 2:10, 11) TRINITARIANS To us there is but one God, the Father, Word, and Holy Ghost. The Son is as great as the Father. Who is the invisible God, the uncreated Jehovah. The Son is omnipotent [all powerful]. (Brackets Supplied) The Son is omniscient [all knowing], and knew of that day as well as the Father. (Brackets Supplied) No given power can qualify the Son of God to give eternal life to his people. Jesus Christ created all things by his own independent power. The revelation of Jesus Christ from his own omniscience [all knowing]. (Brackets Supplied) There is one Mediator between God and man; who is also the supreme God and man in our person. Denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ, who is also the only Lord God, and a distinct person Jesus performed his miracles by his own omnipotence [all powerful]. (Brackets Supplied) He is self-existent. The Son lives by himself. This is the only true God, the same numerical essence as the Father.

That they might know thee, who art not the only true God in distinction from the Word whom thou hast sent. That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow; and every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to his own glory. 4th. I will consider a few of those passages of scripture which are so frequently, and confidently quoted to prove that Jesus Christ in his essential nature, is the very and eternal God. In Col. 2:9, we are told, that in Jesus Christ dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily. But a few verses before this, the same Apostle tells us, it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell. Chap. 1:19. This same Apostle represents even the saints as being filled with all the fullness of God. (Eph. 3:19) (J. M. Stephenson, December 5, 1854, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 16, pages 123, 124).

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In 1 Cor. 15, I find that it is not the natural man that hath immortality; yet Paul assures the Romans that by patient continuance in well doing all could obtain immortality and eternal life. The doctrine called the trinity, claiming that God is without form or parts; that the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, the three are one person, is another. Could God be without form or parts when he spoke unto Moses face to face as a man speaketh unto a friend? [Ex. 33:11] or when the Lord said unto him, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live? And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a cleft of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by; and I will take away my hand and thou shalt see my back parts; but my face shall not be seen. Ex. 33:20, 22, 23. Christ is the express image of his Fathers person. Heb. 1:3. (Uriah Smith, July 10, 1856, Review & Herald, vol. 8, no. 11, page 87, par.

33) To the Lamb, equally with the Father who sits upon the throne, praise is ascribed in this song of adoration. Commentators, with great unanimity, have seized upon this as proof that Christ must be coeval with the Father; for otherwise, say they, here would be worship paid to the creature which belongs only to the Creator. But this does not seem to be a necessary conclusion. The Scriptures nowhere speak of Christ as a created being, but on the contrary plainly state that he was begotten of the Father. (See remarks on Rev. 3:14, where it is shown that Christ is not a created being.) But while as the Son he does not possess a co-eternity of past existence with the Father, the beginning of his existence, as the begotten of the Father, antedates the entire work of creation, in relation to which he stands as joint creator with God. John 1:3; Heb. 1:2. Could not the Father ordain that to such a being worship should be rendered equally with himself, without its being idolatry on the part of the worshiper? He has raised him to positions which make it proper that he should be worshipped, and has even commanded that worship should be rendered him, which would not have been necessary had he been equal with the Father in eternity of existence. Christ himself declares that as the Father hath life in himself, so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself. John 5:26. The Father has highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name. Phil. 2:9. And the Father himself says, Let all the angels of God worship him. Heb. 1:6. These testimonies show that Christ is now an object of worship equally with the Father; but they do not prove that with him he holds an eternity of past existence. (Uriah Smith, 1882, Daniel And The Revelation, page 430) God alone is without beginning. At the earliest epoch when a beginning could be,a period so remote that to finite minds it is essentially eternity,appeared the Word. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. John 1:1. This uncreated Word was the Being, who, in the fulness of time, was made flesh, and dwelt among us. His beginning was not like that of any other being in the universe. It is set forth in the mysterious expressions, his [Gods] only begotten Son (John 3:16; 1 John 4:9), the only begotten of the Father (John 1:14), and, I proceeded forth and came from God. John 8:42. Thus it appears that by some divine impulse or process, not creation, known only to Omniscience, and possible only to Omnipotence, the Son of God appeared. And then the Holy Spirit (by an infirmity of translation called the Holy Ghost), the Spirit of God, the Spirit of Christ, the divine afflatus and medium of their power, representative of them both (Ps. 139:7), was in existence also. (Uriah Smith, 1898, Looking Unto Jesus, page 10) When Christ left heaven to die for a lost world, he left behind, for the time being, his immortality also. but how could that be laid aside? That it was laid aside is sure, or he

could not have died; but he did die, as a whole, as a divine being, as the Son of God, not in body only, while the spirit, the divinity, lived right on; for then the world would have only a human Saviour, a human sacrifice for its sins; but the prophet says that his soul was made an offering for sin. Isa. 53:10. (Uriah Smith, 1898, Looking Unto Jesus, pages 23, 24) 1. We are baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. Matt. 28:19. By this we express our belief in the existence of the one true God, the mediation of his Son, and the influence of the Holy Spirit. (Uriah Smith, 1858, The Bible Students Assistant, pages 21, 22) God The Father, And His Son Jesus Christ Titles of the Father The following titles of supremacy belong alone to Him who is from everlasting to everlasting, the only wise God: The Eternal God. Deut. 33:27. Whose Name alone is Jehovah. Ps. 83:18. Most High God. Mark 5:7. The Ancient of Days. Dan. 7:13. God Alone. Ps. 86:10. Lord Alone. Neh. 9:6. God of Heaven. Dan. 2:44. The Only True God. John 17:8. Who Only hath Immortality. 1 Tim. 6:16. The King Eternal, Immortal, Invisible. 1 Tim. 1:17. The Only Wise God. 1 Tim. 1:17. Lord God Omnipotent. Rev. 19:6. The Blessed and only Potentate. 1 Tim. 6:15. Besides Me there is no God. Isa. 44:6. God the Father. 1 Cor. 8:6. The God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of Glory. Eph. 1:17. God and Father of all, who is above all. Eph. 4:6. The Almighty God. Gen. 17:1. I Am that I Am. Ex. 3:14. Lord God Almighty. Rev. 4:8. Declarations Concerning the Son He is the beginning of the creation of God. Rev. 3:14. The first born of every creature. Col. 1:15.

The only begotten of the Father. John 1:18; 3:18. The Son of the Living God. Matt. 16:16. Existed before he came into the world. John 8:58; Micah 5:2; John 17:5, 24. Was made higher than the angels. Heb. 1:14. He made the world and all things. John 1:1-3; Eph. 3:3, 9. Was sent into the world by God. John 3:34. In Him dwells all the fullness of the God-head bodily. Col. 2:9. He is the resurrection and the life. John 11:25. All power is given to him in heaven and earth. Matt. 28:18. He is the appointed heir of all things. Heb. 1:2. Anointed with the oil of gladness above his fellows. Heb. 1:9. God has ordained him to be judge of quick and dead. Acts 17:31. Reveals his purposes through him. Rev. 1:1. The head of Christ is God. 1 Cor. 11:3. Jesus had power to lay down his life and take it again. John 10:18. He received this commandment from the Father. John 10:19. God raised him from the dead. Acts 2:24, 34; 3:15; 4:10; 10:40; 13:30, 34; 17:31; Rom. 4:24: 8:11; 1 Cor. 8:14; 15:15; 2 Cor. 4:14; Gal. 1:1; Eph. 1:20; Col. 2:12; 1 Thess. 1:10; Heb. 13:20; 1 Pet. 1:21; Jesus says he could do nothing of himself. John 5:19. That the Father which dwelt in him did the works. John 14:10. That the Father which sent him, gave him a commandment what he should say and what he should speak. John 12:49. That he came not to do his own will, but the will of him that sent him. John 6:38. And that his doctrine was not his, but the Fathers which sent him. John 7:16; 8:28; 12:49; 14:10, 24. With such inspired declarations before us, ought we to say that Jesus Christ is the Selfexistent, Independent, Omniscient and Only True God; or the Son of God, begotten, upheld, exalted and glorified BY THE FATHER? (Uriah Smith, 1858, The Bible Students Assistant, pages 42-45, This is also found in Review & Herald, June 12, 1860, page 27, par. 3-48) [Emphasis in Original] J. W. W. Asks: Are we to understand that the Holy Ghost is a person, the same as the Father and the Son? Some claim that it is, others that it is not. Ans.The terms Holy Ghost, are a harsh and repulsive translation. It should be Holy Spirit (hagion pneuma) in every instance. This Spirit is the Spirit of God, and the Spirit of Christ; the Spirit being the same whether it is spoken of as pertaining to God or Christ. But respecting this Spirit, the Bible uses expressions which cannot be

harmonized with the idea that it is a person like the Father and the Son. Rather it is shown to be a divine influence from them both, the medium which represents their presence and by which they have knowledge and power through all the universe, when not personally present. Christ is a person, now officiating as priest in the sanctuary in heaven; and yet he says that wherever two or three are gathered in his name, he is there in the midst. Mt. 18:20. How? Not personally, but by his Spirit. In one of Christs discoursed (John 14-16) this Spirit is personified as the Comforter, and as such has the personal and relative pronouns, he, him, and whom, applied to it. But usually it is spoken of in a way to show that it cannot be a person, like the Father and the Son. For instance, it is often said to be poured out and shed abroad. But we never read about God or Christ being poured out or shed abroad. If it was a person, it would be nothing strange for it to appear in bodily shape; and yet when it has so appeared, that fact has been noted as peculiar. Thus Luke 3:22 says: And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him. But the shape is not always the same; for on the day of Pentecost it assumed the form of cloven tongues like as of fire. Acts 2:3, 4. Again we read of the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. Rev. 1:4; 3:1; 4:5; 5:6. This is unquestionably simply a designation of the Holy Spirit, put in this form to signify its perfection and completeness. But it could hardly be so described if it was a person. We never read of the seven Gods or the seven Christs. (Uriah Smith, October 28, 1890, Review & Herald) Five months after this article appeared in the Review & Herald, Uriah Smith delivered a sermon before the General Conference. In this sermon he comes to a place where he realizes the necessity of explaining some things about the Spirit of God. It may not then be out of place for us to consider for a moment what this Spirit is, what its office is, what its relation to the world and to the church, and what the Lord through this proposes to do for his people. The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God; it is also the Spirit of Christ. It is that divine, mysterious emanation through which they carry forward their great and infinite work. It is called the Eternal Spirit; it is a spirit that is omniscient and omnipresent; it is the spirit that moved, or brooded, upon the face of the waters in the early days when chaos reigned, and out of chaos was brought the beauty and the glory of this world. It is the agency through which life is imparted; it is the medium through which all Gods blessings and graces come to his people. It is the Comforter; it is the Spirit of Truth; it is the Spirit of Hope; it is the Spirit of Glory; it is the vital connection between us and our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ; for the apostle tells us that if we have not the Spirit of Christ, we are none of his. It is a spirit which is tender; which can be insulted, can be grieved, can be quenched. It is the agency through which we are to be introduced, if ever we are

introduced, to immortality; for Paul says that if the spirit of Him that raised up Christ from the dead dwell in you, he shall quicken also your mortal bodies by that Spirit which dwelleth in you; that is, the Spirit of Christ. Rom. 8:11. Uriah Smith described the Holy Spirit as the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. He referred to this Spirit using the word itrather than He sixteen times in this one paragraph. Just seven paragraphs later he makes the following statement. You will notice in these few verses the apostle brings to view the three great agencies which are concerned in this work: God, the Father; Christ, his Son; and the Holy Spirit. (Uriah Smith, March 14, 1891, General Conference Daily Bulletin, vol. 4, pages 146, 147) This statement is very interesting as it explains that the Pioneers understood the use of the term, three great agencies in a way that is in harmony with the teaching that the Holy Spirit is not a third, separate being, but rather the Spirit of the Father and His Son.

John. N. Andrews: 1829 - 1883 on the Trinity JN Andrews on the Trinity "The doctrine of the Trinity which was established in the church by the council of Nice, A. D. 325. This doctrine destroys the personality of God, and his Son Jesus Christ our Lord. The infamous, measures by which it was forced upon the church which appear upon the pages of ecclesiastical history might well cause every believer in that doctrine to blush." (J. N. Andrews, March 6, 1855, Review & Herald, vol. 6, no. 24, page 185) Melchisedec "Our knowledge of this remarkable personage is derived only from Genesis 14, Psalm 110, and what Paul has written concerning him in the book of Hebrews. Many things respecting him are purposely

concealed by the Holy Spirit, and it would, therefore, be fruitless for us to attempt to bring them to the light. He was king of Salem; he was priest of the most high God; he was, by virtue of his office, even the superior of Abraham; Christ is a priest after his order. He once met Abraham and received tithes of him, and blessed him. This is the substance of our knowledge of Melchisedec. When it is asked whether he was not identical with this or that remarkable man of his time, or when it is inquired of what race he was, and who were his parents, and how long he lived, and when he died, the answer must be, that we are not informed touching these things. But the following language of Paul has given rise to many strange speculations concerning him. Paul says of him that he was without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually. (Hebrews 7:8) Now, if these words be taken in an absolute sense, they can be true of no human being. Adam alone, of all the human race, was without father, and without mother, and without descent. But Adam had beginning of days and end of life. Enoch had no end of life, but he had all the other things which Paul says Melchisedec had not. So of Elijah, who, by the way, did not exist till long after the days of Melchisedec. Every member of the human family, except Adam, has had parents, and every one has had beginning of days; and indeed, with two exceptions, everyone has had end of life. Even the angels of God have all had beginning of days, so that they would be as much excluded by this language as the members of the human family. And as to the Son of God, he would be excluded also, for he had God for his Father, and did, at some point in the eternity of the past, have beginning of days. So that if we use Pauls language in an absolute sense, it would be impossible to find but one being in the universe, and that is God the Father, who is without father, or mother, or descent, or beginning of days, or end of life. Yet probably no one for a moment contends that Melchisedec was God the Father. 1. He is called the priest of the most high God. Hebrews 7:1. It is the business of the priest to make offerings to God. He surely did not make offerings to himself. 2. He is called by Paul a man, though greater than Abraham. 3. Paul speaks of him in Hebrews 7:6 as really having descent, though he does not know what it was. 4. Melchisedec in Genesis 14:20 blesses the most high God, a plain evidence that it was not himself he thus blessed. Melchisedec is said to be made like unto the Son of God. But this shows that he is not God the Father; for he is not made like his Son, nor indeed does he have existence derived from another. But the Son is said to be the express image of his Father. Hebrews 1. What then do the words of Paul in Hebrews 7:8 really signify? We have seen that they cannot be taken in an absolute sense; for they involve us in contradictions and absurdity. But if they are taken in a limited sense, and interpreted according to the manner of speaking that was usual with the Hebrews, we shall find them easy of explanation. The Hebrews kept very exact genealogical registers. Particularly was this the case respecting their priests; for if the priest could not trace his genealogy back to Aaron, he was not allowed to serve in the priesthood. Those who could not show their record in such tables were said to be without father and mother, and without descent. This did not signify that they had no ancestors, but that the record of them was not preserved. This is exactly the case of Melchisedec. He is introduced in Genesis without

record of his parentage, the Holy Spirit having purposely omitted that matter. He is said by Paul to have no beginning of days, nor end of life. This does not mean absolutely that there was no beginning of existence with him, for it is only true of one being in the universe, viz., God the Father. But the evident meaning of the apostle is this: that no record of his birth or of his death appears in the history which is given us of him. He appears without any intimation given us of his origin; and the story of this priest of the Most High ends without any record of his death. These things were purposely omitted that he might be used to represent, as perfectly as possible, the priesthood of the Son of God. And so the same Spirit of inspiration that led Moses to withhold these particulars concerning Melchise- dec, did also lead Paul to use that omission to illustrate the priesthood of Christ. We would do well to leave the case of Melchisedec just where the Scriptures leave it." (J. N. Andrews, September 7, 1869, Review & Herald, also found in the January 4, 1881 edition of Review & Herald).

R. F. Cottrell on the Trinity Add comments RF Cotrell on the Trinity He proceeded to affirm that man is a triune being, consisting of body, soul and spirit. I never heard a Disciple confess faith in the doctrine of the trinity; but why not, if man consists of three persons in one person? especially, since man was made in the image of God? But the image he said, was a moral likeness. So man may be a triune being without proving that God is.But does he mean that one man is three men? I might say that a tree consists of body, bark and leaves, and no one perhaps would dispute it. But if I should affirm that each tree consists of three trees, the assertion would possibly be doubted by some. But if all admitted that one tree is three trees, I might then affirm that there were ninety trees in my orchard, when no one could count but thirty. I might then proceed and say, I have ninety trees in my orchard, and as each tree consists of three trees, I have two hundred and seventy. So if one man is three men, you may multiply him by three as often as you please. But if it takes body, soul and spirit to make one perfect, living man; then separate these, and the man is unmade. (R. F. Cottrell, November 19, 1857, Review & Herald, vol. 11, no. 2, page 13, par. 13) That one person is three persons, and that three persons are only one person, is the doctrine which we claim is contrary to reason and common sense. The being and

attributes of God are above, beyond, out of reach of my sense and reason, yet I believe them: But the doctrine I object to is contrary, yes, that is the word, to the very sense and reason that God has himself implanted in us. Such a doctrine he does not ask us to believe. A miracle is beyond our comprehension, but we all believe in miracles who believe our own senses. What we see and hear convinces us that there is a power that effected the most wonderful miracle of creation. But our Creator has made it an absurdity to us that one person should be three persons, and three persons but one person; and in his revealed word he has never asked us to believe it. This our friend thinks objectionable. But to hold the doctrine of the Trinity is not so much an evidence of evil intention as of intoxication from that wine of which all the nations have drunk. The fact that this was one of the leading doctrines, if not the very chief, upon which the bishop of Rome was exalted to popedom, does not say much in its favor. This should cause men to investigate it for themselves; as when the spirits of devils working miracles undertake the advocacy of the immortality of the soul. Had I never doubted it before, I would now probe it to the bottom, by that word which modern Spiritualism sets at nought. Revelation goes beyond us; but in no instance does it go contrary to right reason and common sense. God has not claimed, as the popes have, that he could make justice of injustice, nor has he, after teaching us to count, told us that there is no difference between the singular and plural numbers. Let us believe all he has revealed, and add nothing to it. (R. F. Cottrell, July 6, 1869, Review & Herald).

D. W. Hull on the Trinity Doctrine Add comments DW Hull on the Trinity Bible Doctrine of the Divinity of Christ

THE inconsistent positions held by many in regard to the Trinity, as it is termed, has, no doubt, been the prime cause of many other errors. Erroneous views of the divinity of Christ are apt to lead us into error in regard to the nature of the atonement. Viewing the atonement as an arbitrary scheme (and all must believe it to be so, who view Christ as the only very and eternal God), has led to some of the arbitrary conclusions of one or two classes of persons; such as Predestinarianism, Universalism, &c., &c. The doctrine which we propose to examine, was established by the Council of Nice, A. D., 325, and ever since that period, persons not believing this peculiar tenet, have been denounced by popes and priests, as dangerous heretics. It was for a disbelief in this doctrine, that the Arians were anathematized in A. D., 513. As we can trace this doctrine no farther back than the origin of the Man of Sin, and as we find this dogma at that time established rather by force than otherwise, we claim the right to investigate the matter, and ascertain the bearing of Scripture on this subject. Just here I will meet a question which is very frequently asked, namely, Do you believe in the divinity of Christ? Most unquestionably we do; but we dont believe, as the M. E. church Discipline teaches, that Christ is the very and eternal God; and, at the same time, very man; that the human part was the Son, and the divine part was the Father. We might here add that the orthodox view of God as expressed by them in several Articles of Faith, is, that God is without body, parts, passions, centre, circumference, or locality. It would be a very easy matter to prove that such a view is exceedingly skeptical, if not atheistical in its nature. It certainly appears that such a God as this, must be entirely devoid of an existence. The many scriptures opposed to this view, ought, it would seem, to forever settle the matter. Adam and Eve heard the voice of the Lord walking; and they hid themselves from his presence. Gen. 3:8. By turning to Ex. 33:20-23, the reader will observe that the Lord does not try to give Moses the impression that he is a bodiless personage (if the term is allowable); but says he, Thou canst not see my face. If ever the Lord would correct an error, and deny his personality, we might expect it would be here. He does not, however, tell him that he should not see his face because he had no face; but tells him that no man shall see him and live, which would imply that he was a personage, having body and parts. And the Lord said, Behold there is a place by me. So he had a circumference, had he not? And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my back parts; but my face shall not be seen.

In Acts 7:55, 56, Stephen, while looking into heaven, saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God, and said, Behold I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God. This shows, at least, that God has a right hand. The very fact, however, of mans being created in the image of God ought to settle the matter forever with the candid. Gen. 1:27; 5:1; 9:6. But to our subject. As we wish the opposite side to have a fair hearing, we will candidly investigate all the important passages claimed by Trinitarians. Isa. 9:6. For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government shall be upon his shoulders, and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, the Mighty God, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace. Particular stress is here laid upon the expressions Mighty God, and Everlasting Father. If the term had been Almighty God, then the inference would have some weight; but as we read of mighty men, not one of whom were almighty, tho great in every particular above their fellows, we are led to believe that the word may be used in a limited sense; though we would not be understood here as limiting Christs power, though he plainly declared, My Father is greater than I. John 14:28. In the 10th chapter of John, we find that although our Saviour did not say he was God, he said what the Jews claimed to be the same thing, that he was the Son of God (which they had before claimed was to make himself equal with God), and that he and his Father were one, and justified himself with the following language: Is it not written in your law, that I said ye are gods? But as I shall be obliged to refer to this passage hereafter we will pass it by for the present. In the 18th chapter of Genesis, the reader will observe that an angel who is only acting as a servant or agent of the Lord, is frequently called Lord. The following expression, found in Gen. 32:30, has reference to an angel: And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel, for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved. We now come to the term Everlasting Father. We reply that as Christ is to continue everlastingly, the name is very appropriate; at least there is nothing in the term which would make him (to use the expressive language of our opponents) very and eternal God. If the reader will turn to the passage under consideration, he will find that this being is born; but if I understand our opponents rightly, the divine part (the Godhead, as they

term it) was not born. Whatever part may have been born, it is the same part that is afterwards spoken of as the Mighty God, Everlasting Father, &c. I would not here be understood as denying the pre-existence of Christ; but I believe that Christ became a child; for we read that the child grew and waxed strong in spirit (Luke 2:40); which would imply that there was a time when he was not strong in spirit. Our opponents find it difficult in attempting to reconcile this matter, to show how the Father developed himself so slowly. There must have been a season when there was no God, or else God must have divided himself, and administered portions of himself to the child, as its reasoning faculties became developed. They settle this matter however, by telling us, Great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, &c. As considerable capital is made out of this passage, taking only enough to destroy its meaning, we will quote the whole of it. 1 Tim. 3:16: And without controversy, great is the mystery of godliness; God was manifest (or manifested, margin) in the flesh, justified in the spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. The remarks made upon the passage in Isaiah will apply with equal force here. But we are led to believe that there never was a person in whom the Father manifested himself, more than in his Son. The Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, says John; and this is undoubtedly the same Word which was in the beginning with God, and which was God. John 1:1. Why was the Word called God? Read the third verse. All things were made by him, and without him was not anything made, that was made. As Christ has always been known to cooperate with the Father, there is no doubt that through his agency the worlds were formed. See Col. 1:15, 16; Heb. 1:2; with which compare Gen. 1:26. But the objector urges that God was manifested in the flesh, and is therefore incapable of suffering or being compared with humanity in any way. We will only remark that if God was the divine part of Jesus, and his humanity the other part, the world was three days without a God; for Peter tells us [1 Pet. 3:18] that, Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but quickened by the Spirit. If it was none other than the Father manifested in the flesh; it was the same which was put to death in the flesh. But enough on this point. In a proper place I shall attempt to show that Christ did positively diesoul and body.

Matt. 1:23. Behold a virgin shall be with child and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is God with us. Another expression is found in John 20:28. And Thomas said unto him, My Lord and my God. By turning to Phil. 2:11, we read that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. There is here a clear distinction made between the Lord Jesus Christ and God the Father. The distinguishing qualities are, that whilst one is called the Son, the other is known as God the Father. John 10:30. I and my Father are one. The objector contends that Christ and his Father are one person, and in proof of his position quotes 1 John 5:7. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. This is claimed as very strong proof in support of the trinity. The three persons are spoken of as God, the Father, God, the Son, and God, the Holy Ghost. I believe I may safely say that, aside from scripture, no such license would be allowable. Men have been so used to perverting scripture, and taking advantage of terms, and pressing them into their service, that they do not realize the magnitude of the crime as they otherwise would. The same expression is frequently used about man and wife; yet no person doubts that a man and his wife are two separate persons, inasmuch as they may be separated by hundreds of miles. Dr. A. Clarke expressly says that this passage [1 John 5:7] is an interpolation. See his Commentary in loco. But hear the Saviour on this point. John 17:20-22: Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; that they may be one, as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee; that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me, I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one. No person will contend that Christ prayed for the unity of the disciples, and those that should afterwards become believers through their word, in person! He evidently wished them to be united in object. If this passage were properly appreciated, we should not, I think, hear persons thanking God for so many sects and divisions. The inquiry here arises, How are the Father and the Son one? We answer, They cooperate together: they are united. Man and wife are said to be one, because their interests through life are blended together. The Father and the Son, too, have one common interest, and of course they are one. I again remark, that if we were to see such a phrase as this outside of the Scriptures, there would be no danger whatever of a misapprehension.

The Jews contended that the use of this expression made him equal with God. They could not think that he had a common interest with God; and they also thought it blasphemy that he should call himself the Son of God, and took up stones to stone him; but hear his justification of the matter: John 10:32-38. Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of these works do ye stone me? The Jews answered him, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God. We have no evidence that the Jews believed that Jesus, in declaring himself to be the Son of God, made himself the very and eternal God; but it was as much as to say that he was God (not that God was his own Son), by asserting that he was his Son, and that their interests were united. Hear the Lords answer: Is it not written in your law, I said ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came (and the scripture cannot be broken), say ye of him whom the Father hath sanctified and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said am the Son of God? If there existed any doubt, heretofore, as to the Messiahs claims, and the charge of the Jews, this passage ought to settle the matter. The Jews did not charge Christ with asserting that he was the only and eternal God, much less did Christ ever make such a claim; nor did they believe it would inevitably follow that because Christ was the Son of God, he must be the only all-wise God. Christ does not in the above passage deny that he is God; and we have found heretofore that he has been called God; but that would no more make him the same person with the Father, than a father and a son, both named John, would be the same person. But read on: If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not; but if I do, though you believe not me, believe the works, that ye may know and believe that the Father is in me, and I in him. In John 5, the same accusation is made against the Lord. John 5:17-23. But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the Sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God. If to declare himself to be the Son of God made him the only Jehovah, the Jews would have made the charge; but as we find no such charge made, we have no idea that they so understood the Saviour. By the way, it is a little singular, if Christ did ever assume such a title, that the Jews never once charged it upon him. How suddenly they would have seized upon such an

expression, and accused him thus: Now we know this man is a blasphemer; for he hath said, I am the eternal and all-wise Jehovah. But our Saviour does not pretend to be as great as his Father; his power is only delegated. Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do; for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise; for the Father loveth the Son and sheweth him all things that himself doeth; and he will show him greater things than these, that ye may marvel. For as the Father raiseth up the dead and quickeneth them, even so the Son quickeneth whom he will. For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son, that all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son, honoreth not the Father who hath sent him. Because, says the trinitarian, the Father and Son are one person. Will the reader, in the above quotation, substitute the words, divine part, for Father, and humanity for Son, and see what nonsense it will make. In confirmation of the statement above read verse 30. I can of mine own self do nothing; as I hear I judge; and my judgment is just, because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me. Please read trinitarianism in the following paraphrase: Verse 26. For as my Divinity hath life in himself, so hath my Divinity given to my humanity to have life in himself. Verses 36, 37. But my humanity hath a greater witness than that of John; for the works which my Divinity hath given me to finish, the same works that my humanity does, bear witness of my humanity that my Divinity hath sent my humanity; and my Divinity himself which hath sent my humanity hath borne witness of my humanity. Ye have neither heard my Divinitys voice at any time, nor seen my Divinitys shape. Verse 45. My humanity is come in my Divinitys name, and my humanity ye receive not. With such spectacles as these to look through, some parts of the Scriptures become a mere jumble of nonsense. The reader has, no doubt, ere this, observed that the Father and the Son are spoken of as two separate beings. Turn now to John 6:37-40. All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out; for I came down from heaven not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. We might here stop to inquire who came down from heaven; the Divinity or the humanity. We have found before that it is claimed that the humanity was born (and so we believe); and our opponents will not, for a moment, concede that the humanity came from heaven. We then ask who was speaking? It was the same that came from heaven, which is said to be the divine part. If the divine part was the

Godhead, or Father, then there is a discrepancy somewhere else; for our Saviour had just said, Ye have neither heard his voice at any time nor seen his shape. Again, who was it that sent this divine part? For we have just read, I came down from heaven not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me. Let us take the Bible theory: that God sent his Son who partook of flesh and blood, that through death he might destroy him that hath the power of death, that is, the Devil, [Heb. 3:14], and all difficulty at once vanishes. And this is the Fathers will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me, I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day. And this is the will of him that sent me: that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day. These are precious promises. It is the Fathers will that his Son should lose none of his jewels; and the Son has declared that he will raise his jewels at the last day. We have read over and over again, passages that show that Christ has been sent of his Father; which certainly implies that the Godhead is not united with the humanity. Why speak of being sent from the Father, when it was the Father himself that came and dwelt with human flesh? It either implies, as we have seen before, that God has sent the humanity, or else there are two distinct persons. We believe it is impossible for trinitarians to reconcile this matter. We find however, other expressions, that prove that they are not one person. John 16:5. But now I go my way to him that sent me, and none of you asketh, Whither goest thou? It would be useless to talk about going to him that sent him, when the very person that sent him, composed a part of his being. But when he does go to the Father, he tells his disciples that they should see his face no more [verse 10], which implies that they are two distinct persons. A little while, says he, and ye shall not see me; and again, a little while and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father. Verse 27, 28. For the Father himself loveth you because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came from God. I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world; again I leave the world and go to the Father. What would the reader think of a man who had moved from the State of Ohio to Iowa with his family and after enjoying their company for a season, talk of going back to Ohio where he could see his family? If you cannot allow such inconsistencies in men, how can you accuse the Saviour of leaving the world to go to the Father, and at the same time assert that the Saviour was Jehovah himself?

Matt. 20:23. And he said unto them, Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with, but to sit on my right hand and on my left is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of my Father. Here Christ would not assume even so much authority as to make a promise, unauthorized by his Father; but tells them what is prepared for a certain class; but he had no power to bestow it. Matt. 16:53. Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father and he shall presently send me more than twelve legions of angels? It would be meaningless for Christ to pray to himself. Our friends must either claim that Christ was deceptive, or else that God and his Son were separate. For it would be a mere farce for Christ to pray to himself to send angels. Matt. 23:32. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. We do not believe the Son never is to know because he did not know at that time; for he certainly will know, and perhaps did know immediately after his resurrection. It is supposable that after he had paid the debt which was to purchase mans redemption he would be informed of the time he was to reap the fruit of his harvest. At any rate he says after his resurrection: All power is given unto me in heaven and earth [Matt. 23:18]; and this must necessarily include knowledge. It appears, however, that this power was delegated. The very fact that he informs his disciples that all power had been given him, implies that hitherto (although he had great power) he had not possessed all power. John 17:5. O Father glorify thou me with thine own self, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was. Here we find some part of Christ praying for glory; and it appears to be the same part that had glory with the Father before the world was. Verse 8. For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee; and they have believed that thou didst send me. If Christ and the Father are one person, we might justly ask, Why this earnestness in his prayer? (Concluded next week.) (D. W. Hull, November 10, 1859, Review & Herald, vol. 14, pages 193-195) Bible Doctrine of the Divinity of Christ (Concluded) We have found thus far that the Father and Son are spoken of as two distinct persons; we shall now bring other passages bearing directly upon that point.

Phil. 1:13-15. Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son; in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins; who is the image of the invisible God the first born of every creature. No, says popular theology backed by the decision of popes, he is himself the invisible God. Jude 4. For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. Here the only Lord God is distinguished from the Lord Jesus Christ. If ever language implies anything it certainly implies in this connection that the only Lord God is distinct being from our Lord Jesus Christ. Phil. 2:5-11. Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus; who being in the form of God (very God, our opponents would read it) thought it not robbery to be equal with God, but made himself of no reputation and took upon him the form of a servant and was made (not his humanity, but he himself was made) in the likeness of men; and being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself and became obedient unto death (No, says the Trinitarian, his body became obedient unto death, but the divine part never suffered) even the death of the cross. Wherefore (not his divine part, but) God hath highly exalted him and given him a name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow of things in heaven and things in earth and things under the earth; and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father. This confession will result in the Fathers glory, but if every tongue should confess that a part of Jesus only was Lord whilst the other part was human it would not be the confession that Paul desired to result in the Fathers glory. 1 Pet. 1:3. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead. The reader should bear in mind that in all the passages quoted above, the Father and the Son are spoken of as separate beings. Jehovah is called not only the Father of Jesus Christ, but is also termed his God. Hear our Saviour while suffering upon the cross [Mark 15:34]: My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? We not only find that our Saviour calls his Father his God but that God had forsaken him. It is here asserted by Trinitarians that the God-head had left him. If this is the case then Christ was alive after the God-head had left him. Then it was only the humanity that died and we have only a human sacrifice. Gal. 1:3, 4 Grace be to you,

and peace from God our Father AND from our Lord Jesus Christ who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God, and our Father. It would have been very easy here for Paul to have told the Galatians that Christ might deliver us from this present evil world according to his OWN will. Heb. 13:20. Now the God of peace that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus Christ, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, make you perfect in every good work, &c. Here again God is spoken of as a distinct being from Jesus Christ. We learn here that while Jesus was dead, the God of peace was living, else he could not have raised Jesus from the dead. Having examined all the important passages of scripture on this subject, we will now take our leave of this part of it and proceed to show that Christ must needs die; and also what kind of a death he must die. We have said that Christ must needs die. Our reason for this assertion, is, that man by transgression is subject to death; and unless there is a being who is not subject to death to pay the penalty, there is no hope of a resurrection. See 1 Cor. 15:26. Adam by transgression entailed death upon the whole human race; Christ by his death brings them back to life again. But he does not restore immortality to those who live all their lives in transgression of Gods holy law. Heb. 9:27, 28. And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement, so Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him will he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. Nothing short of the same death that men are subject to will ever bring a resurrection. Christ is here represented as an offering. If there was any part of the lamb that was offered that escaped out of the body, then did a part of Christ escape death. But we are told that Christs soul did not die. We remark that in order to pay the debt and restore men to life he must die the same death to which man is subject. If our Trinitarian friends are not careful they will have a compound of four elements instead of three; thus, Godhead (one) Humanity (twosoul and body), and holy ghost (one) which makes four. Psa. 16: 9, 10. Therefore my heart is glad and my glory rejoiceth; my flesh, also shall rest in hope; for thou wilt not leave my soul in hell (or the grave) neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. It would have been nonsense to say that Christs soul should not be left in Sheol if it never was there. In proof that this has reference to

Christ we refer the reader to Peters testimony; Acts 2:25-27, 31, 34. For David speaketh concerning him (Christ), I foresaw the Lord always before my face, for he is on my right hand that I should not be moved. Then comes the quotation above. He then goes on to show that it was not David because his sepulcher is with us to this day (an evidence that Davids soul was left in hell) He continues, He seeing this before, spake of the resurrection of Christ that his soul was not left in hell (adezthe grave) neither did his flesh see corruption. This was evidence that David had reference to Christ. But as further evidence, the Apostle continues, For David is not ascended into the heavens. We have evidence then, that either dead or alive, Christs soul entered the silent portals of the tomb. Matt. 26:38. Then he saith unto them, My soul is exceeding sorrowful even unto death. If this implies anything, we should infer that it would imply that the Saviours soul was subject to death. It would be the worst of nonsense to talk about a never-dying soul being sorrowful unto death. On this point we shall be obliged to quote again 2 Pet. 3:18. For Christ hath once suffered for sins the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being PUT TO DEATH IN THE FLESH. There is no chance of escape here: Christs soul and every part that dwelt in his flesh was put to death and buried in sheol, or hades. We now turn to Isa. 53; He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb so he opened not his mouth. We might here remind the reader that a lamb when slain is not partly killed and partly kept alive, but totally deprived of life. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living; for the transgression of my people was he stricken. We might ask, What was left of him after he was cut off? Suppose the body only was cut off, and the soul freed; then the only important part was not cut off. And he made his grave with the wicked and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief; when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, &c. His soul was really made an offering for sin; this agrees with Peters testimony. He was put to death in the flesh. If the soul was the offering, it was the soul that was slain. He shall see the travail of his soul (his soul was sorrowful unto death), and shall be satisfied; by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many, for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong. Why? Because he hath POURED OUT HIS SOUL UNTO

DEATH! And he was numbered with the transgressors and he bear the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. This is so plain that it needs no comment. If the reader will now turn to 1 Cor. 15, he will observe that Paul bases our whole hope upon the resurrection of Christ from the dead. If Christ be not risen then is our preaching vain, says the apostle. Modern theology would answer, Not so Paul, for the only important part of Christ returned to heaven at death. Just here we might anticipate an objection. It is asserted that Christ promised the thief that they would that day be together in paradise. Luke 23:43. Verily I say unto thee to day, shalt thou be with me in paradise. The quotation as it stands above however, does not seem to imply so much. Christ only asserted on that day what he would do when he comes in his kingdom! As punctuation is no part of inspiration we have taken the liberty to alter the punctuation somewhat above. The reader will find the subject of Christs promise to the thief elaborately discussed in a work lately published at the Review Office, Battle Creek, Mich. Let us now look at what the Saviour himself taught on this point. Matt. 12:40. For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the whales belly so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. How was Jonah in the whales belly? Was his soul in heaven and his body in the whales belly? How is the Son of man to get into the heart of the earth? We are answered that his body went into the grave, but his soul, divinity or something, went off to paradise. But we have still more positive testimony on this point. John 20:17. Jesus saith unto her, touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to my Father. This was three days after the Lords promise to the thief. This surely is enough to settle the matter with the candid. We trust we have now fairly investigated this subject having examined a majority of the scriptures referring to it. We have found positive testimony to show 1. That God is a personal being. 2. That Jesus Christ was his Son.

3. That he and his Father were distinct persons having one common interest, and 4. That Jesus Christ died soul and body and rose again. May the Spirit of the living God wake the dear reader to a sense of his obligation to the Son of God, who has so dearly purchased our redemption with his own precious blood. Amen. (D. W. Hull, November 17, 1859, Review & Herald, vol. 14, pages 201, 202).

Stephen. N. Haskell on the Trinity Add comments SN Haskell on the Trinity The rainbow in the clouds is but a symbol of the rainbow which has encircled the throne from eternity. Back in the ages, which finite mind cannot fathom, the Father and Son were alone in the universe. Christ was the first begotten of the Father, and to Him Jehovah made known the divine plan of Creation. The plan of the creation of worlds was unfolded, together with the order of beings which should people them. Angels, as representatives of one order, would be ministers of the God of the universe. The creation of our own little world, was included in the deep-laid plans. The fall of Lucifer was foreseen; likewise the possibility of the introduction of sin, which would mar the perfection of the divine handiwork. It was then, in those early councils, that Christs heart of love was touched; and the only begotten Son pledged His life to redeem man, should he yield and fall. Father and Son, surrounded by impenetrable glory, clasped hands. It was in appreciation of this offer, that upon Christ was bestowed creative power, and the everlasting covenant was made; and henceforth Father and Son, with one mind, worked together to complete the work of creation. Sacrifice of self for the good of others was the foundation of it all. (Stephen N. Haskell, The Story of the Seer of Patmos, pages 93, 94, 1905) Before the creation of our world, there was war in heaven. Christ and the Father covenanted together; and Lucifer, the covering cherub, grew jealous because he was

not admitted into the eternal councils of the Two who sat upon the throne. (Stephen N. Haskell, The Story of the Seer of Patmos, pages 217, 1905) Christ was the firstborn in heaven; He was likewise the firstborn of God upon earth, and heir to the Fathers throne. Christ, the firstborn, though the Son of God, was clothed in humanity, and was made perfect through suffering. He took the form of man, and through eternity, He will remain a man. (Stephen N. Haskell, The Story of the Seer of Patmos, pages 98, 99, 1905).

J. N. Loughborough: 1832 1924 On The Trinity Add comments Questions for Bro. Loughborough on the Trinity BRO. WHITE: The following questions I would like to have you give, or send, to Bro. Loughborough for explanation. W. W. Giles. Toledo, Ohio. QUESTION 1. What serious objection is there to the doctrine of the Trinity? ANSWER. There are many objections which we might urge, but on account of our limited space we shall reduce them to the three following: 1. It is contrary to common sense. 2. It is contrary to scripture. 3. Its origin is Pagan and fabulous. These positions we will remark upon briefly in their order. 1. It is not very consonant with common sense to talk of three being one, and one being three. Or as some express it, calling God the Triune God, or the three-one-God. If Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are each God, it would be three Gods; for three times one is not one, but three. There is a sense in which they are one, but not one person, as claimed by Trinitarians.

2. It is contrary to Scripture. Almost any portion of the New Testament we may open which has occasion to speak of the Father and Son, represents them as two distinct persons. The seventeenth chapter of John is alone sufficient to refute the doctrine of the Trinity. Over forty times in that one chapter Christ speaks of his Father as a person distinct from himself. His Father was in heaven and he upon earth. The Father had sent him. Given to him those that believed. He was then to go to the Father. And in this very testimony he shows us in what consists the oneness of the Father and Son. It is the same as the oneness of the members of Christs church. That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us; that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one. Of one heart and one mind. Of one purpose in all the plan devised for mans salvation. Read the seventeenth chapter of John, and see if it does not completely upset the doctrine of the Trinity. To believe that doctrine, when reading the scripture we must believe that God sent himself into the world, died to reconcile the world to himself, raised himself from the dead, ascended to himself in heaven, pleads before himself in heaven to reconcile the world to himself, and is the only mediator between man and himself. It will not do to substitute the human nature of Christ (according to Trinitarians) as the Mediator; for Clarke says, Human blood can no more appease God than swines blood. Com. on 2 Sam. 21:10. We must believe also that in the garden God prayed to himself, if it were possible, to let the cup pass from himself, and a thousand other such absurdities. Read carefully the following texts, comparing them with the idea that Christ is the Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Supreme, and only self-existent God: John 14:28; 17:3; 3:16; 5:19, 26; 11:15; 20:19; 8:50; 6:38; Mark 8:32; Luke 6:12; 22:69; 24:29; Matt. 3:17; 27:46; Gal. 3:20; 1 John 2:1; Rev. 5:7; Acts 17:31. Also see Matt. 11:25, 27; Luke 1:32; 22:42; John 3:35, 36; 5:19, 21, 22, 23, 25, 26; 6:40; 8:35, 36; 14:13; 1 Cor. 15:28, &c. The word Trinity nowhere occurs in the Scriptures. The principal text supposed to teach it is 1 John 5:7, which is an interpolation. Clarke says, Out of one hundred and thirteen manuscripts, the text is wanting in one hundred and twelve. It occurs in no MS. before the tenth century. And the first place the text occurs in Greek, is in the Greek translation of the acts of the Council of Lateran, held A. D. 1215.Com. on 1 John 5, and remarks at close of chap. 3. Its origin is pagan and fabulous. Instead of pointing us to scripture for proof of the trinity, we are pointed to the trident of the Persians, with the assertion that by this they designed to teach the idea of a trinity, and if they had the doctrine of the trinity, they must have received it by tradition from the people of God. But this is all assumed, for it

is certain that the Jewish church held to no such doctrine. Says Mr. Summerbell, A friend of mine who was present in a New York synagogue, asked the Rabbi for an explanation of the word Elohim. A Trinitarian clergyman who stood by, replied, Why, that has reference to the three persons in the Trinity, when a Jew stepped forward and said he must not mention that word again, or they would have to compel him to leave the house; for it was not permitted to mention the name of any strange god in the synagogue.(Discussion between Summerbell and Flood on Trinity, p. 38) Milman says the idea of the Trident is fabulous. (Hist. Christianity, p. 34) This doctrine of the trinity was brought into the church about the same time with image worship, and keeping the day of the sun, and is but Persian doctrine remodeled. It occupied about three hundred years from its introduction to bring the doctrine to what it is now. It was commenced about 325 A. D., and was not completed till 681. See Milmans Gibbons Rome, vol. 4, p. 422. It was adopted in Spain in 589, in England in 596, in Africa in 534.Gib. vol. 4, pp. 114, 345; Milner, vol. 1, p. 519. (To be continued.) (J. N. Loughborough, November 5, 1861, Review & Herald, vol. 18, page 184, par. 1-11).

Ellett Joseph Waggoner on the Trinity Add comments E. J. Waggoner: 1855 1916 on the Trinity Note: At the 1888 General Conference Session, A. T. Jones and E. J. Waggoner presented a series of presentations on Christ and His righteousness. Ellen White wrote, The Lord in His great mercy sent a most precious message to His people through Elders Waggoner and Jones. This message was to bring more prominently before the world the uplifted Saviour, the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world. (Ellen White, 1888 Materials, page 1336) Shortly after 1888 E. J. Waggoner took the notes from his presentations, and printed them as a book, entitled, Christ and His Righteousness. Of these presentations, Ellen White wrote,

That which has been presented harmonizes perfectly with the light which God has been pleased to give me during all the years of my experience. (Ellen White, 1888 Materials, page 164) Many of the following quotations are taken from this book. The Word was in the beginning. The mind of man cannot grasp the ages that are spanned in this phrase. It is not given to men to know when or how the Son was begotten; but we know that he was the Divine Word, not simply before He came to this earth to die, but even before the world was created. Just before His crucifixion He prayed, And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with Thine own self with the glory which I had with Thee before the world was. John 17:5. And more than seven hundred years before His first advent, His coming was thus foretold by the word of inspiration: But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity. Micah 5:2, margin. We know that Christ proceeded forth and came from God (John 8:42), but it was so far back in the ages of eternity as to be far beyond the grasp of the mind of man. (E. J. Waggoner, 1890, Christ and His Righteousness, page 9) Is Christ God? This name was not given to Christ in consequence of some great achievement, but it is His by right of inheritance. Speaking of the power and greatness of Christ, the writer to the Hebrews says that He is made so much better than the angels, because He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. Heb. 1:4. A son always rightfully takes the name of the father; and Christ, as the only begotten Son of God, has rightfully the same name. A son, also, is, to a greater or less degree, a reproduction of the father; he has to some extent the features and personal characteristics of his father; not perfectly, because there is no perfect reproduction among mankind. But there is no imperfection in God, or in any of His works, and so Christ is the express image of the Fathers person. Heb. 1:3. As the Son of the self- existent God, He has by nature all the attributes of Deity. It is true that there are many sons of God, but Christ is the only begotten Son of God, and therefore the Son of God in a sense in which no other being ever was or ever can be. The angels are sons of God, as was Adam (Job 38:7; Luke 3:38), by creation; Christians are the sons of God by adoption (Rom. 8:14, 15), but Christ is the Son of God by birth. The writer to the Hebrews further shows that the position of the Son of God is not one to which Christ has been elevated but that it is one which He has by right. He says that Moses was faithful in all the house of God, as a servant, but Christ as a Son over His own house. Heb. 3:6. And he also states that Christ is the Builder of

the house. Verse 3. It is He that builds the temple of the Lord and bears the glory. Zech. 6:12, 13. (E. J. Waggoner, 1890, Christ and His Righteousness, pages 11-13) Christ As Creator A word of caution may be necessary here. Let no one imagine that we would exalt Christ at the expense of the Father or would ignore the Father. That cannot be, for their interests are one. We honor the Father in honoring the Son. We are mindful of Pauls words, that to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him (1 Cor. 8:6); just as we have already quoted, that it was by Him that God made the worlds. All things proceed ultimately from God, the Father; even Christ Himself proceeded and came forth from the Father, but it has pleased the Father that in Him should all fullness dwell, and that He should be the direct, immediate Agent in every act of creation. Our object in this investigation is to set forth Christs rightful position of equality with the Father, in order that His power to redeem may be the better appreciated. Is Christ a Created Being? Before passing to some of the practical lessons that are to be learned from these truths, we must dwell for a few moments upon an opinion that is honestly held by many who would not for any consideration willingly dishonor Christ, but who, through that opinion, do actually deny His Divinity. It is the idea that Christ is a created being, who, through the good pleasure of God, was elevated to His present lofty position. No one who holds this view can possibly have any just conception of the exalted position which Christ really occupies. The view in question is built upon a misconception of a single text, Rev. 3:14: And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God. This is wrongly interpreted to mean that Christ is the first being that God createdthat Gods work of creation began with Him. But this view antagonizes the scripture which declares that Christ Himself created all things. To say that God began His work of creation by creating Christ is to leave Christ entirely out of the work of creation. The word rendered beginning is arche, meaning, as well, head or chief. It occurs in the name of the Greek ruler, Archon, in archbishop and the word archangel. Take this last word. Christ is the archangel. See Jude 9; 1 Thess. 4:16; John 5:28, 29; Dan. 10:21. This does not mean that He is the first of the angels, for He is not an angel but is above them. Heb. 1:4. It means that He is the chief or prince of the angels, just as an archbishop is the head of the bishops. Christ is the commander of the angels. See Rev. 19:14-19. He created the angels. Col. 1:16. And so the statement that He is the

beginning or head of the creation of God means that in Him creation had its beginning; that, as He Himself says, He is Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Rev. 21:6; 22:13. He is the source whence all things have their origin. Neither should we imagine that Christ is a creature, because Paul calls Him (Col. 1:15) The First-born of every creature for the very next verses show Him to be Creator and not a creature. For by Him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things were created by Him, and for Him and He is before all things, and by Him all things consist. Now if He created everything that was ever created and existed before all created things, it is evident that He Himself is not among created things. He is above all creation and not a part of it. The Scriptures declare that Christ is the only begotten son of God. He is begotten, not created. As to when He was begotten, it is not for us to inquire, nor could our minds grasp it if we were told. The prophet Micah tells us all that we can know about it in these words, But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall He come forth unto Me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the days of eternity. Micah 5:2, margin. There was a time when Christ proceeded forth and came from God, from the bosom of the Father (John 8:42; 1:18), but that time was so far back in the days of eternity that to finite comprehension it is practically without beginning. But the point is that Christ is a begotten Son and not a created subject. He has by inheritance a more excellent name than the angels; He is a Son over His own house. Heb. 1:4; 3:6. And since He is the only-begotten son of God, He is of the very substance and nature of God and possesses by birth all the attributes of God, for the Father was pleased that His Son should be the express image of His Person, the brightness of His glory, and filled with all the fullness of the Godhead. So He has life in Himself. He possesses immortality in His own right and can confer immortality upon others. Life inheres in Him, so that it cannot be taken from Him, but having voluntarily laid it down, He can take it again. His words are these: Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father. John 10:17, 18. (E. J. Waggoner, 1890, Christ and His Righteousness, pages 19-22) Finally, we know the Divine unity of the Father and the Son from the fact that both have the same Spirit. Paul, after saying that they that are in the flesh cannot please God, continues: But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of

God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. Rom. 8:9. Here we find that the Holy Spirit is both the Spirit of God and the Spirit of Christ. (E. J. Waggoner, 1890, Christ and His Righteousness, pages 23, 24) In arguing the perfect equality of the Father and the Son, and the fact that Christ is in very nature God, we do not design to be understood as teaching that the Father was not before the Son. It should not be necessary to guard this point, lest some should think that the Son existed as soon as the Father; yet some go to that extreme, which adds nothing to the dignity of Christ, but rather detracts from the honor due him, since many throw the whole thing away rather than accept a theory so obviously out of harmony with the language of Scripture, that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God.He was begotten, not created. He is of the substance of the Father, so that in his very nature he is God; and since this is so it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell. Col. 1:19 While both are of the same nature, the Father is first in point of time. He is also greater in that he had no beginning, while Christs personality had a beginning (E. J. Waggoner, The Signs of the Times, April 8, 1889 Jesus is the Comforter. If any man sin, we have a Comforter with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.(1John 2:1 r.v., margin.)(EJ Waggoner The Everlasting Covenant Page 302).

JS Washburn on the Trinity 1939 Letter Add comments Letter by J. S. Washburn The doctrine of the Trinity is a cruel heathen monstrosity, removing Jesus from his true position of Divine Savior and Mediator. It is true we can not measure or define divinity. It is beyond our finite understanding, yet on this subject of the personality of God the Bible is very simple and plain. The Father, the Ancient of Days,

is from eternity. Jesus was begotten of the Father. Jesus speaking through the Psalmist says: The Lord (Jehovah) has said unto me, Thou art my son, this day have I begotten thee.Psalm 2:7. Again in Proverbs (where Jesus is spoken of under the title of wisdom, See 1 Cor. 1:24), we read: The Lord (Jehovah) possessed me in the beginning of his way.v. 22 Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth.v. 24 The Son says he was brought forth, begotten, born of His Father (Jehovah). Satan has taken some heathen conception of a three-headed monstrosity, and with deliberate intention to cast contempt upon divinity, has woven it into Romanism as our glorious God, an impossible, absurd invention. This monstrous doctrine transplanted from heathenism into the Roman Papal Church is seeking to intrude its evil presence into the teachings of the Third Angels Message. And the fact that Christ is not the mediator in the Roman Church demonstrates that the Trinity destroys the truth that Christ is the one, the only mediator. The so-called Christian Church, the Papacy, that originated the doctrine of the Trinity, does not recognize him as the only mediator but substitutes a multitude of ghosts of dead men and women as mediators. If you hold the Trinity doctrine, in reality, Christ is no longer your mediator. Seventh-day Adventists claim to take the word of God as supreme authority and to have come out of Babylon, to have renounced forever the vain traditions of Rome. If we should go back to the immortality of the soul, purgatory, eternal torment and the Sunday Sabbath, would that be anything less than apostasy? If, however, we leap over all these minor, secondary doctrines and accept and teach the very central root, doctrine of Romanism, the Trinity, and teach that the son of God did not die, even though our words seem to be spiritual, is this anything else or anything less than apostasy, and the very Omega of apostasy? However kindly or beautiful or apparently profound his sermons or articles may be, when a man has arrived at the place where he teaches the heathen Catholic doctrine of the Trinity, and denies that the Son of God died for us, is he a true Seventh-day Adventist? Is he even a true preacher of the Gospel? And when many regard him as a great teacher and accept his unscriptural theories, absolutely contrary to the Spirit of Prophecy, it is time that the watchmen should sound a note of warning. [Portions of a letter written by J. S. Washburn in 1939. This letter was liked by a conference president so much that he distributed it to 32 of his ministers.].

Answering Evangelism Page 615-617 Leroy Froom's seemingly Trinitarian Collection of EGW writings How many times have we seen these quotes. All apparently Trinitarian. All these quotes are actually non-trinitarian. Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity Quote:"The Eternal Dignitaries of the Trinity.--The eternal heavenly dignitaries--God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit--arming them [the disciples] with more than mortal energy, . . ." {Ellen White Evangelism 616} Firstly "the eternal dignitaries of the trinity" looks nice, it's all capitalized but it is totally uninspired. Let's re-read the quote. "The eternal heavenly dignitaries--God, and Christ, and the Holy Spirit--arming them [the disciples] with more than mortal energy, . . ." {Ev 616.4} It would be great to see the entire context of this quote outside of Evangelism. However just from what we can see it refers to "God", "Christ" and "the Holy Spirit". "God" is distinct from his son, and his spirit in this quote. This to me indicates that the title "God" in this quote refers to the father alone. I don't think that we can read into this quote "God the father, son and holy spirit, and Christ and the Holy Spirit". The title God refers alone to the father in this quote and as far as can be seen in not Trinitarian at all. The Holy Spirit is a Person Quote Personality of the Holy Spirit.--"We need to realize that the Holy Spirit, who is as much a person as God is a person, is walking through these grounds."--Manuscript 66, 1899. {Ellen White Evangelism 616}

This quote says "God is a person". This seems to be non-trinitarian as well. Since Trinitarians teach that "God is three persons". However, let me go further. Let's say "Paul is a person as much as his spirit is a person." Would we then say Paul's spirit was someone separate and distinct from Paul? This is the same with our father in heaven. He is spirit the bible says. Joh 4:21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. Joh 4:22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews. Joh 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth. These verses talk about our father who is spirit, and we are to worship him in spirit and in truth. Many think that our God is a "mystery" which they call a Trinity. The words of Jesus "Ye know not what ye worship" would apply if our God is a mystery. When we get to heaven, God will not then say "Meet my spirit". We will see God face to face, and we will know him. The father of Jesus Christ. Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: Eph 1:18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, The spirit is as much a person as God is a person. The Three Great Powers of Heaven - Ellen White Lets look at this carefully, then answer my questions. I believe we are to co-operate with the "three great powers" however only one of thosethree entities is the eternal God. Read carefully then answer the question below. "It is the fulfillment of the covenant that God has made with those who bind themselves up with Him, to stand with Him, with His Son, and with His Spirit in holy fellowship. Have you been born again? Have you become a new being in Christ Jesus? Then cooperate with the three great powers of heaven who are working in your behalf. Doing this you will reveal to the world the principles of righteousness. -Signs of the Times, June 19, 1901 par. 4 It says "GOD" binds us to him by "his SON". Who does the title "God" refer to? Multiple Choice:

A) God the father binds us to himself by his son. B) God the father, and the son and Holy Spirit binds us to himself by his son. Well, the answer is clear for all to see, however someone did answer this: IT SHOULD BE :God the father, Son and the Holy Spirit binds us to themselves So I did add the words The father, Son and the Holy Spirit) into this passage to see how it would sound. "It is the fulfillment of the covenant that God(The Father, Son and Holy Spirit) has made with those who bind themselves up with Him(the Father, Son and Holy Spirit), to stand with Him, with His(the Father, Son and Holy Spirits) Son, and with His(the Father, Son and Holy Spirits) Spirit in holy fellowship. Have you been born again? Have you become a new being in Christ Jesus? Then co-operate with the three great powers of heaven who are working in your behalf. Doing this you will reveal to the world the principles of righteousness. -Signs of the Times, June 19, 1901 par. 4 I think we can see that answer B is clearly incorrect. 1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him. Let the brightest example the world has yet seen be your example, rather than the greatest and most learned men of the age, who know not God, nor Jesus Christ whom he has sent. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted. (Ellen White, The Youths Instructor, July 7, 1898) Heavenly Trio "I am instructed to say, The sentiments of those who are searching for advanced scientific ideas are not to be trusted. Such representations as the following are made: "The Father is as the light invisible; the Son is as the light embodied; the Spirit is the light shed abroad." "The Father is like the dew, invisible vapor; the Son is like the dew gathered in beauteous form; the Spirit is like the dew fallen to the seat of life." Another representation: "The Father is like the invisible vapor; the Son is like the leaden cloud; the Spirit is rain fallen and working in refreshing power." All these spiritualistic representations are simply nothingness. They are imperfect, untrue. They weaken and diminish the Majesty which no earthly likeness can be compared to. God can not be compared with the things His hands have made. These are mere earthly things, suffering under the curse of God because of the sins of man. The Father can not be described by the things of earth. The Father is all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. The Son is all the fulness of the Godhead manifested. The Word of God declares Him to be "the express image of His person." "God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Here is shown the personality of the Father.

The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fulness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-- those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ. . . ." {SpTB07 62-63} The son is the expression of God's "person". The father's person is seen in his son Jesus Christ as well as the Holy Spirit which is manifest through more than just the father and son. The Father is God here and he gave his only begotten Son according to this quote. This teaches us that we have one God. If you look carefully here is what you see this: God the father, the only true God is invisible to mortal sight. No man has seen God. The son made manifest the father's Godhead(divine nature). And the Holy Spirit in all the fullness of the Godhead has manifest God the father;s POWER and DIVINITY(Godhead)[Rom 1:20] or Divine grace to all who receive Christ the comforter. Brackets are added on this for clarity as so many today did not know that the Godhead is the father's divinity, which the father gave to his son.(Col 1:19) and was well pleased that in his Son should all the fulness of the Godhead(Divine Nature) dwell which is the manifestation of the fathers's spirit. Noone dwells "In the Godhead". The Godhead dwells in Christ and his son, and all who partake of the divine nature since the Spirit is fullness of the Godhead manifesting the father's POWER and DIVINITY. In all of these quotes the term God refers to the father alone. Jesus Christ is referred to as the son of God. Is there a difference between the belief in the "Godhead" vs. "the Trinity? A) Many today are using the term "godhead" to mean "God". Some have tried to replace the term "trinity" with "godhead". But the truth is: God has a "Godhead". The Godhead is a characteristic of God. Notice in the following verse that his "Godhead" is clearly seen in the things made. Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Now if the term "Godhead" is the new replacement word for "Trinity" or "three in one God" than the verse is saying "God's three in one God is clearly seen in the things made" or "God's trinity is clearly seen in the things made". Concludingly Godhead does not mean a three in one God. I'd like to propose to you that the term "Godhead" actually means "divinity" or "divine nature". Here is Ellen White wrote once. She quotes this same verse Romans 1:20. But

notice that the word "Godhead" is translated "divinity". She quotes it from the American Standard Version. "The invisible things of Him since the creation of the world are clearly seen, being perceived through the things that are made, even His everlasting power and divinity." Romans 1:20, A.R.V."(Ellen White Ministry of Healing 410). So the term "Godhead" refers to a characteristic of God himself. God is the father if we read the context. He is not a three in one God. Rom 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ. So if we read that carefully we see that God the father has a "Godhead" which is his "divinity". His divine nature was given to His Son. Col 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: Col 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; All things proceed from God and are given to Christ. Now most Trinitarians today have renamed the "Trinity" and now call it the "Godhead". It's like calling a cat a dog. It's still a cat. But in order to escape comparison to Rome they misuse the term "godhead". But as you can see "godhead" means "divinity" and not "trinity". God's divinity is clearly seen in the things made, not God's trinity. For further material on this topic, see attached links. And who is the comforter? The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 8, page 49) The nights are long and painful, but Jesus is my Comforter and my Hope. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 19, page 296) Christ is everything to those who receive Him. He is their Comforter, their safety, their healthfulness. Apart from Christ there is no light at all. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 21, page 372) There is no comforter like Christ, so tender and so true. He is touched with the feeling of our infirmities. His Spirit speaks to the heart. The influence of the Holy Spirit is the life of Christ in the soul. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, October 26, 1897) Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himself divested of

the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. (Ellen White,Manuscript Releases, vol. 14, pages 23, 24; written February 18 and 19, 1895) 2Jn 1:3 Grace be with you, mercy, and peace, from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love. Truth About God Pillars of our Faith Changed Ellen White on the Trinity Third Person of the Godhead The Omega of Deadly Heresies The Person of the Spirit The Comforter which is the Holy Spirit

The Third Person of the Godhead Add comments In a letter that Dr. John Harvey Kellogg wrote to G. I Butler on Oct 28th 1903 concerning The Living Temple he wrote. As far as I can fathom, the difficulty which is found in the Living Temple, the whole thing may be simmered down to this question: is the Holy Ghost a person. You say no. I had supposed the Bible said this for the reason that the personal pronoun he is used in speaking of the Holy Ghost. Sister White uses the pronoun he and has said in as many words that the Holy Ghost is the third person of the Godhead. How the Holy Ghost can be the third person and not be a person at all is difficult for

me to see. G.I Butler as well as many of our other pioneers including Ellen White had heavily rebuked Kellogg in regards to Kelloggs understanding of who God was. As we can clearly see from the above statement Dr. Kellogg was misunderstanding the use of the words third person by Ellen White. The purpose of this writing is to show that exactly the same thing has happened today. Elder Butler as well as others were concerned about Mr. Kelloggs understanding of who God was and his belief that the Holy Ghost was a separate being. Ms. White wrote Elder Butler and E.G Daniels who was also concerned on the matter in regards to the misunderstanding of the use of the word third person as well as godhead. Ms. White wrote regarding Kelloggs false view and misconception that the Holy Spirit was an actual separate being. There are some, who upon accepting erroneous theories, strive to establish them by collecting from my writings statements of truth, which they use, separated from their proper connection and perverted by association with error. Letter 136, April 27, 1906, to Brethren Butler, Daniels, and Irwin. (Ellen White, 1906, This Day with God, page 126) Ms. White never rebuked Butler, Uriah Smith, her husband James White, as well as the rest of the pioneers who were all strongly anti-trinitarian believers. Clearly if she was Trinitarian she would not be fighting against it. Many Adventists will say she never spoke out about false views about God. This is what she said. I am instructed to speak plainly. Meet it, is the word spoken to me. Meet it firmly, and without delay. In the book Living Temple there is presented the alpha of deadly heresies. The omega will follow, and will be received by those who are not willing to heed the warning God has given. (Selected Messages, book 1, p. 200) Notice the angel told her to MEET IT. In all her years married to someone who strongly opposed the trinity and studying with so many who were anti-trinitarian she never was told to MEET IT. Most Adventists know that our pioneers are today labeled Arian because they did not believe that the Holy spirit was a third divine being. Adventist beliefs have changed over the years under the impact of present truth. Most startling is the teaching regarding Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Lord. Many of the pioneers, including James White, J. N. Andrews, Uriah Smith, and J. H. Waggoner,

held to an Arian or semi-Arian viewthat is, the Son at some point in time before the Creation of our world was generated by the Father. the Trinitarian understanding of God, now part of our fundamental beliefs, was not generally held by the early Adventists. Even today a few do not subscribe to it. (Adventist Review, January 6, 1994, p. 10) Ellen White spoke in 1904. It is believed by some that she was Trinitarian at this point. Amazingly, she speaks of a time 60 years earlier saying she had to speak about false views about God in this next statement. This clearly indicates that she never changed her views about who God was. I will also quote her husband after this quote to show the false views about God that her and her husband had to meet right around the time of 1844. After the passing of the time in 1844, we had fanaticism of every kind to meet. Testimonies of reproof were given me to bear to some holding spiritualistic theories. There were those who were active in disseminating false ideas in regard to God. Light was given me that these men were making the truth of no effect by their false teachings. I was instructed that they were misleading souls by presenting speculative theories regarding God. {E. G. White, Testimonies Volume 8, pp. 292, 293} 1904 She says we had spiritualistic views about God to meet. What are these spiritualistic views they met after 1844? The way spiritualizers have disposed of or denied the only Lord God and our Lord Jesus Christ is first using the old unscriptural Trinitarian creed, viz., that Jesus Christ is the eternal God, though they have not one passage to support it,while we have plain scripture testimony in abundance that he is the Son of the eternal God. {J. S. White, The Day Star,January 24, 1846} Wow. Do you see that? Can you see the significance of that? Do you see what the trinity is? Spiritualism. And this is the false doctrine she met in 1844 and also met again in Kellogg in the early 1900s who had taken statements from her writings to form a false creed. Now the questions remain. How many beings partake of the counsels of the godhead. Who is God? Who is the son? Who is the third person of the godhead? What is the godhead? Lets take another statement from James White. Paul affirms of the Son of God that he was in the form of God, and that he was equalwith God. Who being in the form of God thought it not robbery to be equal with God. Phil. 2:6. The reason why it is not robbery for the Son to be equal with the Father

is the fact that he is equal The inexplicable Trinity that makes the Godhead three in one and one in three, is bad enough; but that ultra Unitarianism that makes Christ inferior to the Father is worse. Did God say to an inferior, Let us make man in our image? {J.S. White, Review & Herald,November 29, 1877} Imagine that God would not have his prophet meet statements such as the above quote but yet when someone began to become a Trinitarian she was told to meet it. The teaching of Kellogg she was told to meet. And the entire matter in Kelloggs eyes boiled down to his misunderstanding that her use of the words third person meant that God was three beings in one. Had Kellogg recently become Trinitarian? This is exactly what was happening. This is what the evil angels had caused him to become. And this is what Ms. White was meeting. A misunderstanding of her use of the words third person which we will clarify shortly. A.G Daniels wrote to Willie White and said about Kellogg. He [J. H. Kellogg] then stated that his former views regarding the trinity had stood in his way of making a clear and absolutely correct statement; but that within a short time he had come to believe in the trinity and could now see pretty clearly where all the difficulty was, and believed that he could clear the matter up satisfactorily. He told me that he now believed in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost; and his view was that it was God the Holy Ghost, and not God the Father, that filled all space, and every living thing. He said that if he had believed this before writing the book, he could have expressed his views without giving the wrong impression the book now gives. (Letter by A. G. Daniells to W. C. White on October 29, 1903) Mr. Daniels went on to tell Willie White that he had explained to Kellogg that his views were so contrary to the gospel. They were contrary to the fact that God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son[John 3:16]. Ellen White went onto rebuke Kellogg and we will examine further statements from Ms. White in which she addressed Kellogg with including third person and heavenly trio which Adventists today have completely ripped from their original context. Most have no idea that many of these statements were used in rebuke to Kellogg and his belief in a holy spirit being. Willie White could not believe how his mothers statements were taken to believe that she believed that the holy spirit was a third being like the father and the son.

This was written in 1935. And you will see that this next statement is clearly antitrinitarian. You would think that Willie would have some conception of what his mother believed. And that is what we will shortly examine. Here is a rundown of the conversation between H. W. Carr and Willie White about how the trinity was being urged due to certain statements about third person in Ms. Whites writings. H. W. Carr said: It is urged by some of our leaders now that The Holy Spirit is a third person of the same nature of the Father and Son, a member of the heavenly trio, cooperative in creation and personally active with the Father and Son. For many years I have used these statements of Sr. White [statements previously quoted in his letter] in combating false teachings relative to defining the Holy Spirit. (Letter by H. W. Carr to Willie White, January 24, 1935) Willie answered him: In your letter you request me to tell you what I understand to be my mothers position in reference to the personality of the Holy Spirit. This I cannot do because I never clearly understood her teachings on the matter. There always was in my mind some perplexity regarding the meaning of her utterances which to my superficial manner of thinking seemed to be somewhat confusing. The statements and the arguments of some of our ministers in their effort to prove that the Holy Spirit was anindividual as are God the Father and Christ, the eternal Son, have perplexed me and sometimes they have made me sad. One popular teacher said We may regard Him, (the Holy Spirit) as the fellow who is down here running things. My perplexities were lessened a little when I learned from the dictionary that one of the meanings of personality, was Characteristics. It is stated in such a way that I concluded that there might be personality without bodily form which is possessed by the Father and the Son. There are many Scriptures which speak of the Father and the Son and the absence of Scripture making similar reference to the united work of the Father and the Holy Spirit or of Christ and the Holy Spirit, has led me to believe that the spirit without individuality was the representative of the Father and the Son throughout the universe, and it was through the Holy Spirit that they dwell in our hearts and make us one with the Father and with the Son. (Letter by Willie White, April 30, 1935)

Ellen Whites own son claimed he did not understand her statements to be teaching or to mean that the Holy Spirit was a distinct individual as are the Father and His Son. Clearly anti-trinitarian. Here is what Ms. White said in direct rebuke to Kellogg and please note this testimony which I will quote from several times. So that we can distinguish what she meant in regards to the word person and that as Willie had come to understand and as she will make clear can also mean personality without bodily form. Such as the bible teaches. The spirit without the body is dead[James 2:26]. The spirit is normally referred to as the characteristics, such as the mind of Christ, the will, the actions, the temperament. The spirit of God and the spirit of Christ. [Romans 8:9]. A living soul needs both the spirit and the body. A spirit without the body is not a living soul. [Gen 2:7]. This is a very important concept and those who teach differently are teaching spiritualism as Ellen White and James White called the three in one trinity or godhead. I quoted James White earlier saying the Trinity is spiritualistic, is also a heresy brought in privily denying the only Lord God. And I showed that those spiritualistic theories were met by them shortly after 1844. James White called this a spiritualistic theory in 1846, and Ellen White said this was still truth in 1904. So we can know in this next quote that she quotes from John that this quote about antichrist is referring again to the three in one God of the trinity. Modern spiritualism, resting upon the same foundation, is but a revival in a new form of the witchcraft and demon worship that God condemned and prohibited of old. Peter, describing the dangers to which the church was to be exposed in the last days, says that as there were false prophets who led Israel into sin, so there will be false teachers, who privily shallbring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them. And many shall follow their pernicious ways. 2 Peter 2:1, 2. Here the apostle has pointed out one of the marked characteristics of spiritualist teachers. They refuse to acknowledge Christ as the Son of God. Concerning such teachers the beloved John declares: Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist that denieth the Father and the Son. Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father. 1 John 2:22, 23. Spiritualism, by denying Christ, denies both the Father and the Son, and the Biblepronounces it the manifestation of antichrist. (Ellen White, Patriarchs and Prophets, page 686]

The trinity denies that Christ is the literal son. It says that Christ role-played or pretended to be the son. But he was a co-eternal being. This is making God a liar. 1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. Let me quote the Trinitarians to show that they make God a a liar by promoting role playing and acting. And denying the love of God that he gave his only begotten son[1 John 4:9]. Here is one statement of many. In order to eradicate sin and rebellion from the universe and to restore harmony and peace, one of the divine Beings accepted, and entered into, the role of the Father, another the role of the Son. The remaining divine Being, the Holy Spirit, By accepting the roles that the plan entailed, the divine Beings lost none of the powers of Deity. The divine Beings entered into the roles they had agreed upon before the foundations of the world were laid. (The Week of Prayer issue of theAdventist Review, October 31, 1996) Did you get that? They all pretended. That is making God a liar. Believing not the record that God gave his son. It denies the love of God. It is saying God didnt really give his literal son. But one who pretended to be a son. While he pretended to give his son, however didnt really give anything. It makes God look terrible. As Ellen White said to Kellogg. Ellen White used the word person and personality interchangeably. And I will attach a document that shows that when she was talking to Kellogg in regards to her use of the word third person it can be seen in her original penmanship she actually used the words third personality. This will be attached. Here is what she said in regards to Kelloggs understanding of this matter on the personality of God. Speaking to Kellogg she said. You are not definitely clear on the personality of God, which is everything to us as a people. You have virtually destroyed the Lord God Himself. Letter 300 1903. Also please be sure to distinguish between God and godhead. Godhead is a characteristic of the father and the son. It is not an office of 3 individuals. The Title God is an actual title that refers to the father alone. And the son entered the fathers counsels and in this way came as the eternal God[emmanuel][John 1:1] I will verify this in the following statements. James white said the same thing about the personality of God.

Here we might mention the Trinity, which does away the personality of God, and of his Son Jesus Christ,{J. S. White, Review & Herald, December 11, 1855} Again speaking in reference to Kellogg she said. God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 8, p. 268, March 1904) This again is taken from Testimonies vol. 8 in reference to Kellogg. This is clearly a non-Trinitarian statement coming from the pen of Ellen White. Notice how Christ gained his position. It was Given to him. Who is God? The father. Who is Christ? Gods son. I will analyze this statement further in a few minutes as this statement above is used in the same article that she rebukes Kellogg and mentions the third person of the Godhead and her misused quote of heavenly trio. She was trying to clarify these statements. And reading the above statement in regard to who God is she was very forward. And all of the counsels were opened to him. Christ was God. Make no mistake. However, how he was God is the question. It is a hard saying for some to understand and many just give up. Because he is not the literal, only, eternal God. This next statement should explain it. The great Creator assembled the heavenly host, that he might in the presence of all the angels confer special honor upon his Son. The Son was seated on the throne with the Father, and the heavenly throng of holy angels was gathered around them. The Father then made known that it was ordained by himself that Christ should be equal with himself; so that wherever was the presence of his Son, it was as his own presence. His word was to be obeyed as readily as the word of the Father. His Son he had invested with authority to command the heavenly host. (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, January 9, 1879; also in Spirit of Prophecy, vol. 1, pages 18, 19) So Christ came in his fathers name. Christ said if youve seen me youve seen the father[John 14:9] But yet no man has seen God at any time[John 1:18]. A seeming paradox. But yet can be clearly understood when we understand Christ is not the literal, eternal God, but his father is, and that Christ came on behalf of God that where Christ was it was as though his father God were present with us. The quote above also tells us who the great creator is? The father. And his son was the one by whom all things were created[Col 1:16]. There are many points here, that clearly show antitrinitarian teaching, however the subject of this article is the use of the words third person of the godhead. Godhead was clearly a different word than the title God. It is

used 3 times in scriptures. It in scriptures refers to the son of God and says in him the fullness of the godhead dwelt bodily. [Col 2:9]. Eph 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fullness of God. Now reading this quote and knowing that the fullness of God dwells in us. Does that make us literally God?? No. Obviously not. And this verse actually uses Gods title rather than just the characteristic of God his godhead. This word can mean his divinity. So to understand it, the fullness of divinity dwelt in him bodily. Was it literally God in him? Or was God the father in him by Gods spirit? A careful analysis will bring you to the proper conclusion of what the godhead is. Similar words are used by Peter here in reference to his divinity. However it refers to us again. 2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that pertain unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue: 2Pe 1:4 Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that by these ye might be partakers of the divine nature, having escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust. So we can see that all things that pertain to godliness that we are partakers of the divity of God. Filled with the fullness of God bodily. Same concept. Is that saying we are God?? No. Clearly not. Now we will go back to an examination of her writings to Kellogg. In the book Living Temple there is presented the alpha of deadly heresies. The omega will follow, and will be received by those who are not willing to heed the warning God has given. [1 SM 200.1} In reference to Kellogg she wrote that this was a deadly heresy as mentioned by her and James White earlier. She called Kelloggs heresy the alpha of deadly heresies and said the omega would soon follow. Now the people who receive it are those who do not heed the warnings. Many dont have no clue about the history of our church. And they are receiving it. So many have the idea that Ms. White began to believe in a trinity. This view she rebukes here.

I understood that some were anxious to know if Mrs. White still held the same views that she did years ago when they had heard her speak in the sanitarium grove, in the Tabernacle, and at the camp meetings held in the suburbs of Battle Creek. I assured them that the message she bears today is the same that she has borne during the sixty years of her public ministry. She has the same service to do for the Master that was laid upon her in her girlhood. She receives lessons from the same Instructor. The directions given her are, Make known to others what I have revealed to you. Write out the messages that I give you, that the people may have them. This is what she has endeavored to do. 1 Selected Messages p35. 1906. Same God was with her in 1906 as was in 1846. Same message. So the false assumption that she became Trinitarian is quickly rebuked. Some believe that this took place around the time of Desire of Ages in 1896. In 1898 she said. The Father and the Son alone are to be exalted. (Ellen White, The Youths Instructor, July 7, 1898) She only knew of 2 beings that were to be exalted. She knew nothing of a third being. In order that the human family might have no excuse because of temptation, Christ became one with them. The only beingwho was one with God lived the law in humanity, descended to the lowly life of a common laborer, and toiled at the carpenters bench with his earthly parent. (Ellen White, The Signs of the Times, October 14, 1897 par. 3) The Sovereign of the universe was not alone in His work of beneficence. He had an associatea co-worker who could appreciate His purposes, and could share His joy in giving happiness to created beings. In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:1, 2. Christ, the Word, the only begotten of God, was one with the eternal Fatherone in nature, in character, in purposethe only being that could enter into all the counsels and purposes of God. His name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6. His goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Micah 5:2. And the Son of God declares concerning Himself: The Lord possessed Me in the beginning of His way, before His works of old. I was set up from everlasting. When He appointed the foundations of the earth: then I was by Him, as one brought up with Him: and I was daily His delight, rejoicing always before Him. Proverbs 8:22-30. (Ellen White, Patriarchs and Prophets, page 34)

These quotes are clear in regards to the son being the only being who could enter the counsels of his father who is the only true God[John 17:3-5] It also talks about when Christ was setup or brought forth[begotten]. [Pro 8:22-30]. If the Holy Spirit was a third divine being of a three person God. Then we have to wonder why he was left out. Back to Testimonies vol. 8 and Kellogg she says. Please note her use of the words person as she quotes [Heb 1:1-5] and its interchangeability with the word personality. And also note who is God in all of this. The Scriptures clearly indicate the relation between God and Christ, and they bring to view as clearly the personality and individuality of each. God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, hath in these last days spoken unto us by His Son, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory, and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high; being made so much better than the angels, as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they. For unto which of the angels said He at any time, Thou art My Son, this day have I begotten Thee? And again, I will be to Him a Father, and He shall be to Me a Son? Hebrews 1:1-5. God is the Father of Christ; Christ is the Son of God. To Christ has been given an exalted position. He has been made equal with the Father. All the counsels of God are opened to His Son. Jesus said to the Jews: My Father worketh hitherto, and I work. . . . The Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He seeth the Father do: for what things soever He doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise. For the Father loveth the Son, and showeth Him all things that Himself doeth. John 5:17-20. Here again is brought to view the personality of the Father and the Son, showing the unity that exists between them. This unity is expressed also in the seventeenth chapter of John, in the prayer of Christ for His disciples: Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on Me through their word; that they all may be one; as Thou, Father, art in Me, and I in Thee, that they also may be one in Us: that the world may believe that Thou hast sent Me. And the glory which Thou gavest Me I have given them; that they may be one, even as We are one: I in them, and Thou in Me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that Thou hast sent Me, and hast loved them, as Thou hast loved Me. John 17:20-23. Wonderful statement! The unity that exists between Christ and His disciples does not destroy the personality of either. They are one in purpose, in mind, in character, but not

in person. It is thus that God and Christ are one. [Ellen White 8 Testimonies Page 268269] Plenty is contained in that statement. She touches on how the father and son are one. They are not one like Trinitarians believe she says. They are one as in how the disciples should be one even as he and his father are one. God and Christ are 2 distinct individuals. Watch as she goes on clearly leaving out the Holy Spirit as a being. Even the angels were not permitted to share the counsels between the Father and the Son when the plan of salvation was laid. Those human beings who seek to intrude into the secrets of the Most High show their ignorance of spiritual and eternal things. Far better might they, while mercys voice is still heard, humble themselves in the dust and plead with God to teach them His ways. {8T 279.2} Are you clear on who God is and who his son is? Or do you still have the same misconception of her use of the word person as John Harvey Kellogg had in the original statement this article begins with?

Heavenly Trio Now, this statement is a very misused statement again. And also another one she was using in reference to John Harvey Kellogg and his book The Living Temple. I would like to read the statements leading up to it and show how she was trying to explain to Kellogg her use of the word third person in Desire of ages. This quote and a couple are others have been taken from there original context to make her say she was Trinitarian. Now I refer you back to Mr. Kellogg first before we continue in this testimony. This testimony is called Special Testimonies Volume B07. The context of the quote can be seen here. http://www.thethirdangelsmessage.com/heavenly_trio_context.php

Now remember Kelloggs misunderstanding of the use of the word person. Then we will read Ellen Whites reply.

John Harvey Kellogg wrote to G. I Butler on Oct 28th 1903 concerning The Living Temple he wrote. As far as I can fathom, the difficulty which is found in the Living Temple, the whole thing may be simmered down to this question: is the Holy Ghost a person. You say no. I had supposed the Bible said this for the reason that the personal pronoun he is used in speaking of the Holy Ghost. Sister White uses the pronoun he and has said in as many words that the Holy Ghost is the third person of the Godhead. How the Holy Ghost can be the third person and not be a person at all is difficult for me to see. He couldnt see his mistake like many today. But he knew it simmered down to his belief on whether the Holy Ghost was a third being. So here Ms. White again explains. I have not been able to sleep during the past night. Letters have come to me with statements made by men who claimed to have asked Dr. Kellogg if he believes the testimonies that Sister White bears. He declares that he does, but he does not. He sent a sensible letter to me while I was at Melrose, Mass., saying, I have surrendered, But he has not spoken or acted as a man who has surrendered. He has felt bitterness of soul against the Lords appointed agencies who have occupied the position of president of the General Conference. He has hated them. Has he surrendered that gall of bitterness? The Lord will not accept anything that he affirms which is false. [SpTB07 Page 61] The former General Conference President here was likely G.I Butler. The one which Kellogg was referring to in the above statement in regard to the correction that the Holy Ghost was not a person like Kellogg believed it to be. So we can see Ms. White was in harmony with G.I. Butler. Lets continue this testimony from Ms. White. She goes on to quote from Kelloggs book a few statements in regards to his understanding of who God is. I am instructed to say, The sentiments of those who are searching for advanced scientific ideas are not to be trusted. Such representations as the following are made: The Father is as the light invisible; the Son is as the light embodied; the Spirit is the light shed abroad. The Father is like the dew, invisible vapor; the Son is like the dew gathered in beauteous form; the Spirit is like the dew fallen to the seat of life. Another representation: The Father is like the invisible vapor; the Son is like the leaden cloud;

the Spirit is rain fallen and working in refreshing power. All these spiritualistic representations are simply nothingness. They are imperfect, untrue. They weaken and diminish the Majesty which no earthly likeness can be compared to. God can not be compared with the things His hands have made. These are mere earthly things, suffering under the curse of God because of the sins of man. The Father can not be described by the things of earth. The Father is all the fulness of the Godhead bodily, and is invisible to mortal sight. {SpTB07 62} She goes on to say much more. Notice above she talks about the father only as God. Now here is where we see who God is clearly. The Son is all the fulness of the Godhead manifested. The Word of God declares Him to be the express image of His person. God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Here is shown the personality of the Father. [SpTB07 63.1} The express image of his person. Then she says God gave his son. She refers fully to God as the father. And she says this is the personality of the father. The keywords person and personality. And also God and Godhead. God is none other than the father. God is never referred to in reference to third person. However she does go on to say. And this is where some are confused. Be sure you are clear on her use of the word person as she just used it in the previous paragraph and also Kelloggs misuse of the word person and why he is being rebuked before reading this next statement. The Comforter that Christ promised to send after He ascended to heaven, is the Spirit in all the fulness of the Godhead, making manifest the power of divine grace to all who receive and believe in Christ as a personal Saviour. There are three living persons of the heavenly trio; in the name of these three great powers--the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit-- those who receive Christ by living faith are baptized, and these powers will co-operate with the obedient subjects of heaven in their efforts to live the new life in Christ. . . .{SpTB07 63.2} So there we see a trio of power. We know that we have God the father, Christ the son of God, and the Holy Spirit which is manifested in the person of his saints. I will go into this and her use of the word person with reference to the spirit. I am the way, the truth, and the life," Christ declares: "no man cometh unto the Father, but by me" (John 14:6). Christ is invested with power to give life to all creatures. "As the

living Father hath sent me," He says, "and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me." "It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life" (John 6:57, 63). Christ is not here referring to His doctrine, but to His person, the divinity of His character. "Verily, verily, I say unto you," He says again, "The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; and hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man" (John 5:25-27). {1SM 249.3} Ok. So you can see that the Jesus is referring to the spirit which is his Christs person. He is referring to himself in the third person. I want to continue this a little further and hopefully this will really be brought home to you. So you can see her use of the word person there. It is a characteristic. Please take your time with these statements as they will really bring home the understanding. I want to quote something and show who it is in reference to Christ referring to himself in the third person as the comforter. But yet in another manifestation and show that Ms. White new that this comforter was Christ himself and how the disciples had a hard time fathoming this. These are hard sayings so we must consider them carefully. Then afterwards I will expose her understanding plainly. Joh 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever; Joh 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. In this statement you can see that the comforter was dwelling with them. The comforter also would soon be in them. However Jesus said in John 16:7 almost 2 chapters later that the comforter had not yet been sent to them. So who was dwelling with them?? It was Christ himself. And this is plainly revealed in the very next verse. Joh 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. So he is the comforter. Ellen White elaborates on this passage of scriptures a little bit. Let me quote her.

That Christ should manifest Himself to them, and yet be invisible to the world, was a mystery to the disciples. They could not understand the words of Christ in their spiritual sense. They were thinking of the outward, visible manifestation. They could not take in the fact that they could have the presence of Christ with them, and yet He [Christ]be unseen by the world. They did not understand the meaning of a spiritual manifestation. {SW, September 13, 1898 par. 2} We can see that the third person of the Godhead is the divinity of his character. And it would be manifest in his disciples. John called it the spirit of truth. 1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 1Jn 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error. We can see here again that every spirit that is of God is that spirit of truth. So now we can understand John 16:13 much more clearly with this understanding. Joh 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. So the he here can refer to Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh including you or me. Isnt it amazing when the word and the quotes are rightly divided. This is what Ms. White says to further this concept. Cumbered with humanity, Christ could not be in every place personally; therefore it was altogether for their advantage that He should leave them, go to His father, and send the Holy Spirit to be His successor on earth. The Holy Spirit is Himselfdivested of the personality of humanity and independent thereof. He would represent Himself as present in all places by His Holy Spirit, as the Omnipresent. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 14, pages 23, 24; written February 18 and 19, 1895) So now we see it is Christ in us in another manifestation to his people, by his people. Therefore Christ works through us as well as through his word, through his angels or through whoever has that holy spirit. Spiritual things are spiritually discerned. And a Holy spirit will understand with investigation and a willingness to hear Gods word they will see the truth on the third person of the Godhead.

Lets close this article with some clarity now as to who our comforter is. And at the end I will ask you the question. Who is your comforter? When Jesus ministers in the sanctuary above, He is still by His Spirit the minister of the church on earth. He is withdrawn from the eye of sense, but His parting promise is fulfilled, Lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Matt. 28:20. {DA 166.2} Christ is with us Amen. He represents himself. The Holy spirit is himself. Not by a being, but by his character, his will, his actions, his life in us. It is the indwelling of Christ in the soul, the development of his spirit in the life. The Christian experience is a constant effort to conform the human will to the will of Christ, and to form the character according to the divine model. {RH, January 24, 1882 par. 3} ..the holy Spirit is the comforter, as the personal presence of Christ to the soul. {RH, November 29, 1892 par. 3} The spirit is clearly not someone else in us. The Lord knows all about His faithful servants who for His sake are lying in prison or who are banished to lonely islands. He comforts them with His own presence {DA 669.3} Praise God we can know our comforter. He is the one who came in this flesh, and the one who can comfort us in our infirmities. and we adore God for His wondrous love in giving Jesus the comforter.{19MR 297.3} The Saviour is our Comforter. This I have proved Him to be. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 8, page 49} The nights are long and painful, but Jesus is my Comforterand my Hope. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 19, page 296) Christ is everything to those who receive Him. He is their Comforter, their safety, their healthfulness. Apart from Christ there is no light at all. (Ellen White, Manuscript Releases, vol. 21, page 372) There is no comforter like Christ, so tender and so true. He is touched with the feeling of our infirmities. His Spirit speaks to the heart. The influence of the Holy Spirit is the life of Christ in the soul. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, October 26, 1897)

Amen. Who is your comforter now is the question? If you dont know him you may not receive his power to have the victory that overcometh the world. Many ask for the spirit but they dont receive. They ask amiss. They ask for something that they dont understand. They ask for God to force them into obedience rather than for understanding of the Holy spirit and its power to overcome all hereditary tendencies. They ask for an unholy spirit if this is what they think of God. That he would ever take away our free will. A misconception of who God is leads to a lack of love in the heart, and in turn no power of the Holy spirit to overcome sin. The reason why the churches are weak and sickly and ready to die is that the enemy has brought influences of a discouraging nature to bear upon trembling souls. He has sought to shut Jesus from their view as the Comforter, as one who reproves, who warns, who admonishes them, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it. (Ellen White, Review & Herald, August 26, 1890, also in Reflecting Christ, page 21) Heavenly Trio Context Ellen White on the Trinity Pioneers on the Trinity Truth About God The term Godhead in the SOP

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Last week I wrote an article called The Two Covenants The Everlasting Covenant and the Covenant at Sinai which if you have not read I pray that you will as God has a blessing in it for you. But today while contemplating this issue again Father brought some more depth of the riches of his grace and love to me and I wrote down some of these thoughts. I pray that you find a blessing in them. The Origin of The Everlasting Covenant God And Christ Before Any Creature Was Created The grace of God is deep. The Character of God and His Son and the love that was manifest between them before the world was is many times hardly noticed. While contemplating the Covenants, I beheld a deeper understanding of His love towards us. Covenant Established Before Creation Before the first creature or angel was made, and understanding that these creatures had the freedom of choice, it was necessary that God provide for the possibility of sin. Was it necessary to provide for this possibility before the first creature was made? Most certainly it was. Therefore it was necessary that the Everlasting Covenant was in place before the first angel was created. Zechariah 6:13 the counsel of peace shall be between them both. What was part of that Covenant? John 17:3-5 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent. (4) I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. (5) And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.

The Covenant between God and Christ was established before even a single angel was created that Christ would shed his blood should the commandments be broken. Thats why it is the blood of the everlasting covenant(Hebrews 13:20). This plan was established before anything made that was made.(John 1:3). The Covenant was based on the 10 commandments. Deuteronomy 4:13 And he declared unto you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform,even ten commandments; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone. The Love of God The expression of the character of God is summed up in the ten commandments. His promises are true, and He has said I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:(Heb 8:10). What was the cost to God of us breaking His law? Romans 8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? The bible says For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.(Romans 6:23) And also says all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;(Romans 3:23). The only way in which the demand of the law could be fulfilled was by God. God was the one who covenanted to give His only begotten Son. God the Father is the only immortal being in the universe in the absolute sense. Only the death of the Son of God himself could fulfill the demand of the law. The Son covenanted to give to God that life which Christ as the only born Son of God possessed by inheritance. But how can an immortal being die. He cant. He is life. Jesus Christ His only begotten Son was heir of the fullness of this life that he was in the form of Godequal with God (Phillipians 2:6). He was the only being who was with God before any creature was made. And he covenanted with Father to give himself to die should sin enter. This covenant of Gods was not obey and live. God had a covenant before the angels even had a mouth created for them to speak to even make a covenant to say yes we will obey and live. How could they possibly obey to live if they were yet to be alive. God makes no such covenant. Life was given to them before they could promise anything.

The Covenant included the gift of His Holy Spirit to do the will of Father. It also included mercy should they choose to disobey and it included a second freedom to do as they choose again. They were never made to be bond-slaves. Even after they sinned. Isaiah 59:21 As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the LORD; My spirit that is upon thee, and my words which I have put in thy mouth, shall not depart out of thy mouth, nor out of the mouth of thy seed, nor out of the mouth of thy seeds seed, saith the LORD, from henceforth and for ever. The Covenant was between the Father and Son and whoever will by faith accept the merits of Christ to redeem him from transgression of the law. God did not design that He and His Son Jesus Christ should be alone in the universe for eternity. This was not the will of Father. God is love and He wanted to share that love with other beings who could think for themselves.

But again before even the first creature was created provision was made to redeem any who should bring upon himself the penalty for transgressing the law. When we see that this Covenant was in place before even a creature was made and understand that the creator would die even to redeem the created. We begin to behold the eternal purpose of God in Christ Jesus our Lord and begin to get a grasp of what we term the everlasting gospel(Revelation 14:6). It is everlasting. So therefore standing in thought with Jesus Christ before even an angel was created God desired to share His love with other intelligent beings that could enjoy His love with Him. God loved us so much that he did not create us without freewill, but gave us the choice to choose to sin. Everything Was Done Through His Son

Sin would cost God His only begotten Son. It was therefore necessary that the cost of sin be determined before a being with freewill were created. But yet the love of God did not keep this from happening and the entire government of God was laid upon the shoulders of His only begotten Son who by choice chose to give his life to ransom the beings that were created by God through himself. Everything God created would be created by His Son Jesus Christ. Colossians 1:15-16 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: What love? Created by him and for him and he created us as free beings and desired to have a relationship with us and even covenanted to die for us, the creator for the created. The bible tells us that God the Father is so unselfish that He created nothing without His Son Jesus Christ. For there is One God the Father of whom are all things(1 Corinthians 8:6). That includes the love and Spirit that flowed out through his Son our One Lord Jesus Christ by whom are all things(1 Corinthians 8:6) and Jesus was a willing sacrifice who knew very well the unselfish love of the Father. John 1:2-3 The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. It may seem small to understand that the everlasting covenant originated before an angel was created between the Father and Son, but as you continue to meditate on this issue your eyes will begin to behold more clearly the love of God in Christ Jesus, the everlasting covenant and the everlasting gospel. The Everlasting Covenant EJ Waggoner The Two Covenants The Everlasting Covenant and the Covenant at Sinai Posts Related to The Origin of The Everlasting Covenant God And Christ Before Any Creature Was Created

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The better thing the promise of the inheritance(Heb 11:13-16)

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: Heb 11:40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect. The Land of Promise What was the promise that they received not? Heb 11:9 By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise: Again, They did not receive the land of promise. Heb 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. So these all received not the promise, God provided some better thing But again the better thing mentioned in verse 40 is now more clearly seen here: Heb 11:16 But now they desire a ***better country***, that is, ***an heavenly***: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.

Now this better promise was given to all of the Patriarchs and Prophets who would accept the promise of His Spirit by grace through faith. It was called a better covenant. Heb 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. And this covenant and promise was the promise given to Abraham that he should be the heir of the world(Rom 4:13). It was not a covenant that was first made in AD 31. It was ratified and confirmed in AD 31, but the promise and covenant was given even to Adam and Eve. The covenant of grace was first made with man in Eden(PP 370) It was also given to Abraham, and even though at Sinai the law was given 430 years later to Israel, and Israel making their own promise of works All that the LORD has said we will do and be obedient, God could not make these promises of of the new covenant of no effect.(Gal 3:16, 17) and could not disannul the new covenant which was given to Abraham. That was the only covenant by which men could be saved. Their covenant was faulty. Fault Found with the Promises of the People Hebrews 8:6-8 (6) But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. (7) For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second. (8) For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: So with the Covenant at Sinai, God found fault with the promises. Clearly this would not be a Covenant that God would make since Gods promises could not be faulty. God accepted the promise of the people. Exo 19:8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do.And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD. If God had promised to hold them up, keep them, protect them, fight for them, and then they said we will do it and all that He said he would do, what would this type of promise mean regarding the better promise and covenant that was already made? These promises by the people would prove worthless within a few weeks when

they would be guilty of idolatry. I found a fault with it, and it is no wonder that God found fault with them. We Will Do or He Will Do? Works or Grace? Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. The law only pointed out the sin. The people in their bondage made a covenant of works, not realizing their need to depend on Gods PROMISES and merely say Amen to the promise God had already made that he would put His Spirit in them and do in them what He had promised. Instead because of a lack of knowledge of the power and grace of God, they attempted to fulfill the law by their own power and they did not accept the covenant through the blood of Christ that he had already given to Abraham and was offering to them.(Deu 5:2, 3, Exo 6:3-8) Question: How many are still making this same covenant today? Did people stop making this covenant of works in AD 31? Its apparent that the two covenants have ran parallel since the fall of man and man still makes this same covenant today which will only bring bondage to sin. The better covenant is the covenant with the promise that Abraham received from God by faith which is to be the heir of the world.(Romans 4:13) This is the only covenant by which we can be made free from bondage. The other covenant is a covenant of works, slavery and bondage to sin. Gal 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. Gal 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. This is the covenant of grace through faith. All those heroes of faith in Hebrews 11 were under this better covenant and have been given the same better thing, the same promise, none have yet to receive the inheritance until the coming of Christ, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made(Gal 3:19) to receive that promise

with us who are joint-heirs of that same promise given to Abraham that we are to be heirs of the world. Rom 4:13 For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith. In order to have been heirs they first had to be born of Spirit, becoming children of God, sons of God, born of God, receiving the promise of the Spirit. All these must have received this part of the promise. The down payment on the inheritance. Some today would teach that it was impossible to be born again before the cross, or it was impossible to be born of Spirit before the cross. How then were they saved? By works? By the law? They couldnt unless they had received the better promises and the better covenant. Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Eph 1:14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. The adoption as children comes from the Spirit of promise the Spirit of adoption whereby we cry Abba, Father(Gal 4:6) and become sons of God, heirs of the promise. Rom 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.(That they without us should not be made perfect) Why Was the Other Covenant Formed at Sinai if it Wasnt Needed? The following commentary is from the book Patriarchs and Prophets by Ellen G. White. But if the Abrahamic covenant contained the promise of redemption, why was another covenant formed at Sinai? In their bondage the people had to a great extent lost the knowledge of God and of the principles of the Abrahamic covenant. In delivering them from Egypt, God sought to reveal to them His power and His mercy, that they might be led to love and trust Him. He brought them down to the Red Sea where, pursued by the Egyptians, escape seemed impossiblethat they might realize their utter helplessness, their need of divine aid; and then He wrought deliverance for

them. Thus they were filled with love and gratitude to God and with confidence in His power to help them. He had bound them to Himself as their deliverer from temporal bondage. But there was a still greater truth to be impressed upon their minds. Living in the midst of idolatry and corruption, they had no true conception of the holiness of God, of the exceeding sinfulness of their own hearts, their utter inability, in themselves, to render obedience to Gods law, and their need of a Saviour. All this they must be taught. God brought them to Sinai; He manifested His glory; He gave them His law, with the promise of great blessings on condition of obedience: If ye will obey My voice indeed, and keep My covenant, then . . . ye shall be unto Me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. Exodus 19:5, 6. The people did not realize the sinfulness of their own hearts, and that without Christ it was impossible for them to keep Gods law; and they readily entered into covenant with God. Feeling that they were able to establish their own righteousness, they declared, All that the Lord hath said will we do, and be obedient. Exodus 24:7. They had witnessed the proclamation of the law in awful majesty, and had trembled with terror before the mount; and yet only a few weeks passed before they broke ***their covenant*** with God, and bowed down to worship a graven image. They could not hope for the favor of God through a covenant which they had broken; and now, seeing their sinfulness and their need of pardon, they were brought to feel their need of the Saviour revealed in the Abrahamic covenant and shadowed forth in the sacrificial offerings. Now by faith and love they were bound to God as their deliverer from the bondage of sin. Now they were prepared to appreciate the blessings of the new covenant.(Ellen White Patriarchs and Prophets Page 371 372) God tried to bring them out of bondage, but the people made a covenant that brought them back into bondage because of their lack of knowledge of God, bondage to sin. Could they be heirs while still slaves in bondage to sin? John 8:34-35 (34) Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. (35) And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever. The slave doesnt inherit the house, the Son does. You cannot be a slave and a son at the same time. You must receive the Spirit of adoption. Then you will truly be a child of Abraham. A heir according to the promise. It doesnt matter what time period you

live in, whether before or after the cross, the way of salvation has always been the same, the covenant has always been there. Gal 4:7 Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son; and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ. After a time where they had fell they were ready to appreciate the Covenant of Grace through faith, being no more slaves, but Sons of God. Exo 4:22 And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn: This is the child that came out of the loins of Isaac second, but yet was the firstborn of Spirit of God by Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. (Gal 4:26). God has never offered a covenant where we are required to do something to be saved. He has offered us the power always and is always the same, yesterday, today and forever and we have always had the opportunity to depend on his grace and power alone to have victory over sin. Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, Heb 12:23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel. It is only by coming to Jesus that any could ever have been made free, and that freedom has been had by every patriarch and prophet who has looked for that better country through faith in Gods covenant of grace, the new covenant, each one being bought by the blood of Jesus. Posts Related to The Better Thing- Heb 11:40 - Righteousness by Faith Through the Covenant of Grace

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