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Hello everyone, is there anybody have experience with copper alloy only in condensers and ammonia as alkalising agent?

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Follow Ashwini K Ashwini K Sinha Is the water acidic like mine reclaimed water? Normal acceptance value of ammonia in circulating water is < 2 ppm (there are references that talk of higher values of ammonia for Copper-Nicke alloys, however; my experience also tells me that > 2 ppm ammonia causes corrosion especially if other organic impurities are also present in condenser tubes). Brasses are more susceptible to ammonia induced corrosion like SCC, dezincification. Lime water may be better alkalizer (provided hardness is not increased substantially) for copper based systems. Regards Ashwini Sinha 3 days ago Like

Follow Kerem Kerem Glek The boiler water is desalinated mediteranean sea water with a pH of 9 - 9,0. So can we say that if we prevent organic contamination we might be able to use ammonia levels <2 ppm with CuNi-9010? How about air removal section of condenser tubes? As the literature states that overconcentration of ammonia occurs near that part. Does this 2 ppm figure cover cycles including admiralty brass condenser tubes? Regards. 3 days ago Like

Follow Ashwini K Ashwini K Sinha General limit of ammonia in condensate with mixed metallurgy is 0.5 ppm. Higher ammonia can cause condensate grooving or corrosion in the condensate zone of the condenser tubes (coper Nickel/brasses) especially near to the baffle plates. < 2 ppm of ammonia is for cooling waters. Regards Ashwini Sinha 3 days ago Like

Follow Kerem Kerem Glek Thank you for the information. Regards. 3 days ago Like

Follow Brad Brad Buecker Ashwini provided accurate information. I worked for many years with condensers tubed with Admiralty Brass. (70% copper, 29% zinc) Condensate grooving at tube support plates was a definite issue, particularly in and below the air removal sections of the condenser. 90-10 copper nickel was more resistant to this corrosion, but most new plants here in the U.S. do not utilize copper at all any longer for condenser tubes or other heat exchangers. 2 days ago Like1

Follow Samarendra Samarendra Barai Apart from Stress corrosion cracking and dezincification, copper based alloys also creates problem of copper pick-up in feed water leading to possible boiler tube failure. Present trend in power stations is to avoid copper based alloys in condenser or LP feed heaters and use tubes of suitable SS grade depending on cooling water quality. A condenser, built in 1980s using Cupro-Nickel or Admiralty Brass or other copper based alloy tubes, at present day will need tube replacement. One to one tube replacement, i.e. using same material and size will maintain earlier condenser performance. But it will create the same problems as earlier. My suggestion is to modify condenser lower half using suitable SS grade and optimum size and number of tubes maintaining original condenser performance. I can provide consultancy in this regard.

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Kerem Glek Thank you Brad. It seems that I shall better stick with 0,5 ppm as an upper limit which will provide enough alkalinity for feed water. About modification, Samarendra I will keep your advice and e-mail. Let us see the wear rate of condensers through time and decide on modification since the condensers are in service for about three years only. Regards.