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This examines the trinitarian claims that Christ claimed to be God when he said "I and the Father are one." Primarily the article focuses on the use of the Pharisees' reaction as "proof" that Jesus claimed to be God. We focus on how the Pharisees FALSELY ACCUSED CHRIST of claiming to be "equal with God" and how the trinitarians use this false accusation as PROOF of their trinity teaching.
This examines the trinitarian claims that Christ claimed to be God when he said "I and the Father are one." Primarily the article focuses on the use of the Pharisees' reaction as "proof" that Jesus claimed to be God. We focus on how the Pharisees FALSELY ACCUSED CHRIST of claiming to be "equal with God" and how the trinitarians use this false accusation as PROOF of their trinity teaching.
This examines the trinitarian claims that Christ claimed to be God when he said "I and the Father are one." Primarily the article focuses on the use of the Pharisees' reaction as "proof" that Jesus claimed to be God. We focus on how the Pharisees FALSELY ACCUSED CHRIST of claiming to be "equal with God" and how the trinitarians use this false accusation as PROOF of their trinity teaching.
ACCUSERS OF CHRIST By Watchman Dean. August 13, 2014 THE MOST CLASSIC "OUT OF CONTEXT" QUOTE IN CHRISTENDOM Christians (trinitarians and oneness) often use erses ta!en com"#ete#y out of conte$t to su""ort their teaching that %esus is &od'(an. (A## &od and A## (an). )o other scri"ture demonstrates this than the one * am a+out to sho, you. -he +ac!ground of this scri"ture is that %esus dec#ares he and the .ather are one. -he corru"t "riests then "ic! u" stones to stone him. %esus then as!s /*0e done many good ,or!s among you, ,hich one are you stoning me for/ and they re"#ied /... +ecause you +eing a man, ma!e yourse#f &od./ John 10: 30 I and my Fath! a! on" 31 Thn th J#$ too% &' $ton$ a(a)n to $ton h)m" 3* J$&$ an$#!d thm+ ,any (ood #o!%$ ha- I $h#d yo& .!om my Fath!/ .o! #h)0h o. tho$ #o!%$ do y $ton m1 33 Th J#$ an$#!d h)m+ $ay)n(+ Fo! a (ood #o!% # $ton th not/ 2&t .o! 23a$'hmy/ and 20a&$ that tho&+ 2)n( a man+ ma%$t thy$3. God" 1o, trinitarians use the /authority/ and the /e$"ertise/ of these 2harisees ,ho ,ere /utter#y corru"t/ as their /eidence/ and /"roof/ that %esus c#aimed to +e &3D 4*(156.7 -hese corru"t "riests ,hom %esus ca##ed /sna!es,/ and /i"ers/ and /chi#dren of he##./ -he trinitarians +o, to -45*8 e$"ertise and testimony of the matter. -his is actua##y A66 * shou#d hae to "oint out to ma!e you see ho, W5A9 is their argument, +ut it gets ,ea!er. -rinitarians use Christ0s ,ords /* and the .ather are one/ continua##y as eidence he c#aimed to B5 &3D (:ah,eh &od himse#f). -hey +ase this on the fact that the corru"t "riests tried to stone him and said /you ma!e yourse#f &od./ -hus, they conc#ude, to say /* and the father are one/ is to dec#are that you are in fact &od 4*(156.. :et it ,as not that %esus said /* am one/ ,ith &od that the corru"t "riests ,ere using as an e$cuse to stone him, +ut that %esus said &od ,as his .A-4587 *f they didn0t continua##y ta!e these erses com"#ete#y out of conte$t they cou#dn0t deceie "eo"#e into thin!ing the corru"t "riests sought to !i## %esus +ecause he said he ,as /one ,ith the .ather./ .or the erses direct#y B5.385 and direct#y A.-58 these erses ma!e it c#ear; John 10 *4 ,y Fath!+ #h)0h (a- thm m+ )$ (!at! than a33/ and no man )$ a23 to '3&0% thm o&t o. my Fath!5$ hand" and John 10 36 J$&$ an$#!d thm+ I$ )t not #!)ttn )n yo&! 3a#+ I $a)d+ Y a! (od$1 37 I. h 0a33d thm (od$+ &nto #hom th #o!d o. God 0am+ and th $0!)'t&! 0annot 2 2!o%n/ 38 Say y o. h)m+ #hom th Fath! hath $an0t)9d+ and $nt )nto th #o!3d+ Tho& 23a$'hm$t/ 20a&$ I $a)d+ I am th Son o. God1 According to Christ himse#f, the corru"t "riests ,ere accusing him of +#as"hemy, not +ecause he said he ,as /one/ ,ith the .ather, +ut +ecause he said that &od ,as his .A-458. 4e said he ,as /the son of &od./ (not &od himse#f). *f saying you are /one/ ,ith the .ather means you are c#aiming to B5 &3D, then W5 A85 &3D 4*(156. too, for Christ "rayed to the .ather in %ohn 1< and as!ed that his disci"#es ,ou#d +e /one/ ,ith the .ather een as he is /one/ ,ith the .ather. John 1:: 11 And no# I am no mo! )n th #o!3d+ 2&t th$ a! )n th #o!3d+ and I 0om to th" Ho3y Fath!+ %' th!o&(h th)n o#n nam tho$ #hom tho& ha$t ()-n m+ that thy may 2 on+ a$ # a!" -he corru"t "riests ,ho sought to !i## %esus !ne, that you cou#d +e /one/ ,ith &od and not B5 &3D. -hey a#so !ne, that a## ,ho are faithfu# and o+edient to &od are the 13)1 3. &3D. -his ,as right in their o,n traditions and teachings. THE FALSE CHARGES 1o, the =uestion remains, ,hy ,ou#d they see! to stone Christ for saying this> -he ans,er is far more sim"#e than you0e "ro+a+#y eer heard. -he fact is, the corru"t "riests had )3 A?-438*-: to stone %esus. -hey ,ere under 8oman occu"ation and ru#e and on#y a 83(A) A?-438*-: cou#d e$ecute someone7 We !no, this +ecause ,hen they @na##y ca"tured him at night in ðsemane, they ,ent through a red ta"e nightmare, shutt#ing him +ac! and forth +et,een 2i#ate and 4erod, trying to get one of them to a""roe the e$ecution of %esus7 1o, ,hen they "ic!ed u" stones it ,as #arge#y 1:(B36*C, it ,as a B6?... -hey ,ere ma!ing a dec#aration that they no, had #ega# grounds to hae him e$ecuted. %esus as!ed them ,hat those grounds might +e and they said /+ecause you ca##ed yourse#f the 1on of &od./ :ou see, "eo"#e, 8omans #ied under &ree! tradition. *n &ree! tradition a /son of a &od/ is /e=ua#/ ,ith &od. A#so, under that current 8oman administration 3)6: -45 5(25838 cou#d +e dec#ared a /son of &od/ or /a &od./ -he corru"t "riests !ne, this, and ,ere announcing that they intended to ?15 Christ0s c#aim as the 1on of &od as a 65&A6*-: ,ith ,hich to charge him ,ith 4*&4 -85A13) A&A*)1- -45 5(25838 of 83(5 and thus incite the 8omans to crucify him. And in fact, that is "recise#y ,hat they did. .or ,hen 2i#ate tried to re#ease %esus, they to#d him /your no friend of 8ome, this man dec#ares himse#f to +e our 9*)& and ,e hae no 9ing +ut Caesar./ John 14: 1* And .!om thn0.o!th P)3at $o&(ht to !3a$ h)m: 2&t th J#$ 0!)d o&t+ $ay)n(+ I. tho& 3t th)$ man (o+ tho& a!t not Ca$a!5$ .!)nd: #ho$o-! ma%th h)m$3. a %)n( $'a%th a(a)n$t Ca$a!" -he corru"t %e,s ,ere using the &8559 tradition and the 8oman ru#e of #a, (that on#y a Caesar cou#d +e dec#ared a &od'(an) to conict Christ in a 8oman court of #a, (since they had no authority to !i## him). John 1;: *4 P)3at thn #nt o&t &nto thm+ and $a)d+ <hat a00&$at)on 2!)n( y a(a)n$t th)$ man1 30 Thy an$#!d and $a)d &nto h)m+ I. h #! not a ma3.a0to!+ # #o&3d not ha- d3)-!d h)m &' &nto th" 31 Thn $a)d P)3at &nto thm+ Ta% y h)m+ and =&d( h)m a00o!d)n( to yo&! 3a#" Th J#$ th!.o! $a)d &nto h)m+ It )$ not 3a#.&3 .o! &$ to '&t any man to dath: 3* That th $ay)n( o. J$&$ m)(ht 2 .&3933d+ #h)0h h $'a%+ $)(n).y)n( #hat dath h $ho&3d d)" 33 Thn P)3at nt!d )nto th =&d(mnt ha33 a(a)n+ and 0a33d J$&$+ and $a)d &nto h)m+ A!t tho& th >)n( o. th J#$1 36 J$&$ an$#!d h)m+ Say$t tho& th)$ th)n( o. thy$3.+ o! d)d oth!$ t33 )t th o. m1 CHRIST ?I? NOT @IOLATE THE LA< OF GO? When Christ said /* am the son of &od/ and ,hen he said /* and the .ather are one/ and ,hen he said /&od is my .ather,/ he ,as not io#ating A): 6AW that ,ou#d Austify !i##ing him under the -orah. -his is one of the +iggest arguments that orthodo$ %e,s use to sho, that the story of %esus does )3- ADD ?2. -he trinitarian argument that ma!ing these statements is tantamount to c#aiming to +e &od (under %e,ish tradition) is com"#ete#y .A6157 *t0s a tota# 6*5. -hat is ,hy * ca## the trinity teaching /the trinity dece"tion./ -rinitarians are 6:*)&. Christ0s ,ords ,ere not a dec#aration that he ,as &od, neither ,ere they +#as"hemy under %e,ish tradition. Christ ,ords, ho,eer, W585 +#as"hemy and ,ere i##ega# under 83(A) 6AW and -8AD*-*3) and that ,as the 3)6: #a, that mattered if they ,anted to !i## %esus. Christ ,as )3- accused under %5W*14 6AW, he ,as accused and u#timate#y condemned under 83(A) 6AW, for he dec#ared himse#f /son of &od/ a distinction that ,as #ega##y 3)6: resered for 8oman em"erors7 Ca##ing onese#f &od is +#as"hemy under %e,ish #a, +ut %esus did not do that, trinitarians 6*5. Christ neer said in in those "assages /* am &od 4*(156../ *f he had, he ,ou#d hae +een gui#ty, for the %e,ish #a, does not a##o, for a man to ca## himse#f &od. Which is the &85A-51- eidence ,e hae that &od did not come do,n to earth and +ecome a man and that he neer had A): *)-5)-*3) of doing so. *f &od intended to +ecome a (A) some day and then to ,a#! around *srae# dec#aring that he is &od, &od ,ou#d most certain#y hae "roided for that in the #a,. &od ,ou#d not hae "ut himse#f in the "recarious "osition of io#ating his 3W) 6AW some day +y +ecoming a man and then dec#aring that he is in fact &3D7 -he trinitarians therefore are fa#se#y accusing Christ of ca##ing himse#f &od and they are a#so fa#se#y accusing &3D 4*(156. of io#ating his 3W) 6AW (+y +ecoming a man and then +#as"heming himse#f). THEY CON@ICT AN? CRUCIFY HI, AGAIN -he ery fact that the -8*)*-A8*A)1 ?15 this fa#se accusation +y the corru"t %e,s and these trum"ed u" io#ations of 83(A) #a, as their 2833. that %esus c#aimed to +e &od means they are 1*D*)& ,ith the corru"t "riests and C3)B*C-*)& %51?1 a## oer again under 83(A) 6AW. -hey are C8?C*.:*)& 4*( A66 3B58 A&A*) using the 1A(5 6AW and the 1A(5 -5C4)*CA6*-: as did the corru"t "riests ,ho cruci@ed him the @rst time. -hat he c#aimed to +e a &od'(an and the /Caesar of the %e,s./ -he A"ost#es 1AW this teaching coming and denounced it com"#ete#y7 H2!#$ 8: 8 I. thy $ha33 .a33 a#ay+ to !n# thm a(a)n &nto !'ntan0/ $)n( thy 0!&0).y to thm$3-$ th Son o. God a.!$h+ and '&t h)m to an o'n $ham" When the trinitarians =uote the corru"t %e,s ,ho sought to !i## %esus as their /authority/ and their /"roof/ that %esus c#aimed to +e &od, they are siding ,ith the corru"t "riests on this matter. -he corru"t "riests ,ere .A615 ACC?1581 and so are the trinitarians. But trinitarians go one ste" further than the corru"t "riests did, accusing %esus of +#as"hemy under %5W*14 6AW ,hen the corru"t "riests ,ere on#y using 8oman #a,. -his ma!es them .A8 W3815 the fa#se accusers than ,ere the corru"t %e,s. Shalom Watchman Dean.