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The key issue for Scots is not as you say a profit / loss analysis of the union but a desire for self-determination. Only actual independence will give Scotland full control of its own resources to develop without veto from the uk.
The key issue for Scots is not as you say a profit / loss analysis of the union but a desire for self-determination. Only actual independence will give Scotland full control of its own resources to develop without veto from the uk.
The key issue for Scots is not as you say a profit / loss analysis of the union but a desire for self-determination. Only actual independence will give Scotland full control of its own resources to develop without veto from the uk.
The Guardians editorial on 13 September justifying its decision to
formally support a No vote in the Scottish referendum demands a robust response. I havent replied to many supporters of the No campaign, but in your case I thought you knew better. To be blunt, you misunderstand the rationale for independence. The key issue for Scots is not as you say a profit/loss analysis of the union but a desire for self-determination that is evident in communities and cultures across the globe. Self-determination is not a negative emotion, nor is it something to be trivialized or lampooned. In a simplistic analogy, I havent worried that my son has gone to live in his own house where he buys his own food - hes just grown up and wants to be independent. I still see him. Strangely I didnt respond to him expressing his desire to move out by threatening to lock my door or writing him out of my will. After all, he just wants to make his own way in the world. I am not old enough to personally remember independence campaigns by former British colonies but from research know that most of the same arguments for not becoming independent were made to them. Perhaps you can take solace that most of those that left have stayed family members in the commonwealth, and most still keep the queen as head of state. I can also take comfort that the establishment threats of doom and disaster didnt take place even for the smallest of them. Self-determination isnt about isolationism it is a desire to control what is possible, to allow the creation of the kind of society that Scotlands people in this case wish. Whilst this could be partially delivered by the current or extended devolution, sovereignty would still lie in Westminster, even in a federal state. Only actual Independence will give Scotland full control of its own resources to develop without veto from the UK (in actuality South East England) with different ideas and aspirations. You see Scotland isnt saying it doesnt want to be part of those bigger communities that you and Charles Kennedy are talking about. It actively embraces involvement in larger scale organizations including (probably) NATO, EU, and UN to name a few. Interestingly the UKIP/Tory view is increasingly that UK should only join those organizations where they clearly get more out than they put in. Scotland will be a joiner of clubs where we can add value, not always getting out what we put in. Your simplistic dismissal of the cultural, social and political differences between Scotland and England (in particular) is just not true, no matter how may polls you suggest. There is and has been for centuries a clear distinction between Scottish attitudes to communities and social responsibilities that is more than just superficial. The disentanglement from UK(English) policies on education, social services, benefits, social housing, prescriptions, university fees, as soon as the Scottish parliament could is only one line of evidence of the deep attitudinal divide between the countries. Whilst we see the same economic rules as Westminster we are not driven by them as they are. Major parts of the Scottish political architecture have always been different, even before devolution. For two examples our legal and education systems have always been different, more socially equal by design. You say that in a week there will be a lot of unhappy Scots no matter what the result. In fact I predict a healthy majority for independence. The people who will be unhappy will be Westminster politicians and UK civil servants who will have to sort out the finances of rUK without Scottish oil, wind, electricity, gas, fishing, whisky Not only shouldnt the financial markets be the final arbiters of independence but there is reasonably full acceptance that the whole economic system is under severe stress precisely because the free market doesnt deliver what is meant to, a fair distribution of wealth to world citizens and its getting worse. Yes Scotland will be buffeted by financial winds from London and New York, but its distinctly different political aspirations will at least ameliorate and at best deflect impositions of neocon free market devil take the hindmost economic realities. What has been exemplary has been listening to the difference in tone and approach from the yes campaign. It has been based on a vision of a socially fair society with built in safeguards against the whim of reactive politics including such instruments as a written constitution enshrining more than basic human rights in law. As Alex Salmond has said the yes campaign is aiming for a clear majority in favour of a new progressive socialist country whilst the no campaign is hoping for as narrow as it can manage vote in its favour. The assumption you make in more polite terms than George Galloway is that Scotland should wait for England to catch up with its more socialist view of the world. Like George you try to shame Scotland into trying to balance the South East England rush to right wing politics. Not only are we electorally unable to deliver a left of centre government in the UK, clearly Scotland has decided that it cannot go on waiting for ever. Also clearly the populous and thus electorally dominant South of England has decided that it is happy with a right of centre trickle down economy and a gradual removal of social institutions such as free NHS and education. The New Labour experiment showed that even with a landslide election victory the left of centre Westminster clique were not willing to challenge the establishment and aspirational working class red lines on what could or couldnt be changed. Tony Blair changed little that mattered from Thatchers reforms and added many of todays additional problems such as out of control academies and hospitals moving towards a pay as you go service. The impotence of Scotland to the dismantling of its traditional heavy industries to develop south east based financial services has not been forgotten. Memories still recall Tory and Labour arguments about the stupidity/impossibility of subsidizing failing industries then hearing how crucial it was to shore up bankrupt private banks that had gambled all of our hard earned money. Yes, We do dress our cultural differences up in small things sometimes - accents, tattie scones, stovies, square slice, raw beef ham, tartan, kilts, ceilidhs, support for a football team that rarely gets to the world cup but is proudly and gregariously supported - but dont let this fool you that we are sentimentalists or small minded fools. These are trivial signs of a deep cultural difference between you and us. So to conclude, you are entitled to your view, as wrong as it is. You are particularly wrong to side with the Cameron/Clegg/Milliband three Amigos, but I hope and believe that my compatriots will overcome the bullying, scaremongering and downright lies from a biased and partial press (including shamefully the BBC) and vote overwhelmingly to become a nation again on the 18 th September. Yours sincerely Martin Kilkie A Scot living in England.
P.S. Dont worry, we will still be friends with rUK probably even stronger, but will be separate nations - remember we are already separate countries.