Session Ident: DadFistsDau

#00[01:15] <Me> You fist your daughter?

[01:16] <DadFistsDau> yes
#00[01:16] <Me> How old is she?
[01:18] <DadFistsDau> 11
#00[01:19] <Me> How long have you been fisting her?
[01:20] <DadFistsDau> about a year
#00[01:21] <Me> Is she a willing participant in this activity?
[01:22] <DadFistsDau> very willing
#00[01:23] <Me> Do you do any other sexual acts with her?
[01:28] <DadFistsDau> everything really
#00[01:28] <Me> Does the girl's mother know about all of this?
[01:29] <DadFistsDau> no mom around
#00[01:30] <Me> How old did you start becoming active with your daughter?
[01:30] <DadFistsDau> 9
#00[01:31] <Me> How did you start her?
[01:31] <DadFistsDau> porn at first, then touching
#00[01:32] <Me> You used the porn to get her curious and willing?
[01:33] <DadFistsDau> yes
#00[01:34] <Me> And now she is a willing participant in everything you do?
[01:37] <DadFistsDau> oh yes
[01:37] <DadFistsDau> loves it
#00[01:38] <Me> Is the fisting something you enjoy most? Or do you incorporate it
in your name mainly for the shock value?
[01:39] <DadFistsDau> its what i enjoy most
#00[01:39] <Me> What do you enjoy about it?
[01:40] <DadFistsDau> the kind of orgasms it gives her
#00[01:44] <Me> Okay...at this point I'm interested in discussing your interest in
this fantasy, if that's okay. Normally it's not as clear cut, but fisting a 10
year old girl is biologically impossible.
[01:45] <DadFistsDau> ok
#00[01:45] <Me> Do you really have a daughter?
[01:45] <DadFistsDau> yes
#00[01:45] <Me> And she's 11?
[01:45] <DadFistsDau> yes
#00[01:46] <Me> But you aren't active with her
[01:47] <DadFistsDau> no
#00[01:47] <Me> But you obviously have fantasies about being active with her
[01:48] <DadFistsDau> of course
#00[01:48] <Me> How long ago did these fantasies start?
#00[01:49] <Me> ?
[01:50] <DadFistsDau> about 2 years ago
#00[01:51] <Me> What did those first fantasies involve?
[01:52] <DadFistsDau> seeing her naked
#00[01:52] <Me> Did you not see her naked in your day to day life, or had that
stopped?
[01:53] <DadFistsDau> stopped
#00[01:55] <Me> And then the fantasies started progressing from there?
[01:56] <DadFistsDau> yes
#00[01:56] <Me> What were your thoughts about those fantasies when you first
started having them?
[01:56] <DadFistsDau> what is this? some sort of weird therapy?
#00[01:58] <Me> Sorry...I'm a psychologist. I see young girls who have had sexual
experience in my practice, but I don't get a lot of exposure to the thoughts of
the guys that are interested in young girls.
[01:58] <DadFistsDau> I see
[01:58] <DadFistsDau> what are the thoughts of the girls?
#00[01:59] <Me> That largely depends on if the relationship was an instance of
abuse, or if the girl was truly willing
[01:59] <DadFistsDau> how often are they willing?
#00[02:00] <Me> There aren't any reliable numbers about the prevalence of
hypersexuality. I personally think the diagnosis is trumped up quite a bit due to
cultural norms. As for my clients, about 15% of them are there for hypersexuality.
#00[02:03] <Me> Are you still willing to answer some questions? I"m happy to
continue answering yours in return.
[02:03] <DadFistsDau> sure, why not?
[02:04] <DadFistsDau> im not asking about hypersexuality. Just asking what
percentage are willing participants in sexual activity at an eary age
#00[02:05] <Me> Again, that's a number that isn't possible to know. It wouldn't be
reliably reported, even if it were surveyed extensively (which it isn't)
#00[02:05] <Me> I can only tell you about the clients I've seen, but they aren't
necessarily representative of the overall population
[02:05] <DadFistsDau> ok then, just tell me in your experience
#00[02:06] <Me> As I said - about 15% of my girls are in because their parents are
worried about their hypersexual behavior. The rest are there because they were
victims of sexual abuse.
#00[02:07] <Me> But that doesn't mean 1 out of 6 girls is willing.
[02:08] <DadFistsDau> i understand
#00[02:08] <Me> Can you tell me more about the thoughts you have about your
daughter? And how you feel about having these thoughts?
[02:08] <DadFistsDau> well, my kelsey is definitely hypersexual
[02:08] <DadFistsDau> but then her mom was too
[02:08] <DadFistsDau> so it makes sense
#00[02:08] <Me> What do you mean when you say that kelsey is hypersexual?
[02:09] <DadFistsDau> well, I spy on her quite a bit
[02:09] <DadFistsDau> read her email and phone text messages
[02:10] <DadFistsDau> almost everything she sends and gets is about sex
#00[02:10] <Me> For example?
[02:10] <DadFistsDau> and she masturbates more than any girl I've ever heard of
[02:11] <DadFistsDau> oh, just a lot of stuff with her freinds abotu what guys
they would do and what they would do. She has also done a lot of sexual things
with her friends
#00[02:11] <Me> That would fit the description.
#00[02:11] <Me> How do you know she has done sexual things?
[02:12] <DadFistsDau> Her room is in the basement. If you go into the first floor
laundry room and lay on the floor there is a gap between the wall and the floor.
You can see her entire room.
[02:12] <DadFistsDau> I've sen here and her friends do things during sleep overs
#00[02:12] <Me> What have you seen?
[02:13] <DadFistsDau> kissing, touching and some oral sex
#00[02:13] <Me> Yes, then I would certainly say that your daughter is hypersexual
if that is the case.
#00[02:14] <Me> Were your sexual fantasies sparked by finding out about your
daughter's interest?
[02:15] <DadFistsDau> and I know this is the part where you are going to think im
fantasizing again, but I swear she almost fists herself when she masturbates. She
uses objects too, like bottles
[02:15] <DadFistsDau> to an extent yes
#00[02:15] <Me> I wouldn't doubt that she could fist herself if she wanted to.
#00[02:15] <Me> But an adult man wouldn't be able to fist her
[02:16] <DadFistsDau> I understand
[02:16] <DadFistsDau> do you see many hypersexual girls her age self fisting?
#00[02:16] <Me> I had one as a client.
#00[02:16] <Me> Most girls aren't interested in fisthing, naturally.
[02:17] <DadFistsDau> how old was she?
#00[02:17] <Me> She was 12
[02:17] <DadFistsDau> so how did she become interested in it?
#00[02:18] <Me> She saw it on the internet and became obsessed with the idea.
[02:19] <DadFistsDau> I see
[02:19] <DadFistsDau> once she accomplished it, was it as sexually satisfying for
her as she had hoped?
#00[02:20] <Me> It was, but largely because she had fetishized the idea so much.
[02:21] <DadFistsDau> I see
[02:22] <DadFistsDau> from what i hear, fetishes like that are like addictions.
Over time they get worse and they have to use more and more extremes to get the
satisfaction. Am I right?
#00[02:23] <Me> They can. That was one of the focuses of the therapy with her
[02:24] <DadFistsDau> I see
[02:24] <DadFistsDau> and how did that end?
#00[02:24] <Me> Successfully. She no longer needed to fist to experience sexual
satisfaction.
[02:25] <DadFistsDau> how bad had things gotten for her by the time she first came
to you?
#00[02:26] <Me> Well, I wouldn't say they were bad to begin with. Many people have
fetishes and enjoy them as part of their sexual lives.
#00[02:26] <Me> She came to me because her parents caught her and didn't think it
was normal, so wanted me to fix her.
#00[02:26] <Me> By fix, they meant to have her not masturbate at all anymore.
[02:26] <DadFistsDau> let me rephrase then
[02:26] <DadFistsDau> lol
[02:27] <DadFistsDau> how extreme had her fetish become?
#00[02:27] <Me> She would exclusively fist herself when masturbating.
#00[02:27] <Me> She couldn't orgasm without fisting.
[02:28] <DadFistsDau> how long does it usually take for things to get like that
with a fetish?
#00[02:29] <Me> It can happen pretty quickly. Fetishes are usually completely
psychological, so once the idea sets in that something is necessary it becomes
necessary.
[02:30] <DadFistsDau> how long did it take for her?
#00[02:30] <Me> It was immediate for her. Her first exposure to internet porn was
finding a fisting video
#00[02:31] <Me> The first time she masturbated it was in service of trying to fist
herself.
[02:31] <DadFistsDau> so how long had she been doing this before she came to you?
#00[02:32] <Me> about a year
#00[02:32] <Me> Her parents discovered it when some vasoline went missing and they
found it under her bed.
[02:33] <DadFistsDau> ah, kids can be so obvious
[02:33] <DadFistsDau> Kelsey has stolen vaseline and KY jelly from the medicine
cabinet. I let her have it and I don't say anything
#00[02:34] <Me> Do you ever think about acting on your fantasies?
[02:35] <DadFistsDau> No, I have a healthy enough fear of jail and a realistic
mindset
[02:35] <DadFistsDau> im lucky to see what I see
[02:35] <DadFistsDau> why?
#00[02:36] <Me> Just curious.
#00[02:37] <Me> From the sounds of it you would be in a very convenient position
to act on your fantasies compared to other men with similar interests.
[02:37] <DadFistsDau> so do you think Kelsey's self fisting is a problem?
#00[02:38] <Me> I couldn't say without a more extensive interview with her, but I
would guess that it is not.
[02:38] <DadFistsDau> maybe I am, but I know how girls are. One day she is fine,
the next day I say she can't go to the mall and she tells the teacher and I'm in
jail.
[02:39] <DadFistsDau> is there any danger she might physically harm herself?
#00[02:39] <Me> Doubtful...particularly if she's using lube like it sounds she is.
[02:41] <DadFistsDau> well, lately I think she has been using larger things. So I
was a little concerned. But if you say its ok then I'll relax.
#00[02:41] <Me> How large?
[02:42] <DadFistsDau> a large cucumber, a 24 oz bottle of water, a very large
candle
#00[02:43] <Me> She might be fetishizing, then...does she ever masturbate without
fisting or using such items?
[02:43] <DadFistsDau> not that ive seen
[02:44] <DadFistsDau> i think she uses her massaging showerhead too
[02:44] <DadFistsDau> but im not in there to see for sure
#00[02:44] <Me> Well, as objects get large there is certainly a risk for tearing -
even if she takes precautions.
#00[02:46] <Me> When she has girls over, does she still engage in these large
insertions?
[02:46] <DadFistsDau> well I've never seen her really seem to be struggling with
anything. Even the candle seemed to go into her pretty easily. She does seem to be
going deeper into herself with her hand too. But it's hard to see much detail from
where I watch.
[02:47] <DadFistsDau> yes she does
#00[02:48] <Me> The problem with things that are very large is that if they are
stretching her to her limit and something happens during the insertion to surprise
her or otherwise cause her to tense up then some serious tearing can occur.
#00[02:49] <Me> Particularly if the object is very hard
[02:49] <DadFistsDau> I see
[02:49] <DadFistsDau> shoudl I talk to her about it?
#00[02:50] <Me> If you're comfortable doing so. You would need to explain how you
know.
[02:50] <DadFistsDau> I can do that pretty easily
[02:51] <DadFistsDau> should I be trying to get her to stop? or should I just help
her be safer about it?
#00[02:51] <Me> I doubt she'd stop, and I don't think there should be a need for
her to stop if she's enjoying it and being safe about it.
#00[02:52] <Me> Most parents in your position would want me to have the girl stop
entirely, but in practice I just teach the girls how to be safe and how to be more
discrete.
[02:53] <DadFistsDau> oh, so how did you help the other girl into fisting?
#00[02:54] <Me> We worked on her being able to cum without needing to fist. She
still enjoys fisting, but it's no longer something she requires in order to
climax.
[02:55] <DadFistsDau> what if im ok with her fisting and object use, and even want
to encourage it?
#00[02:56] <Me> Then just make sure she is safe about it.
[02:56] <DadFistsDau> whats the best way to do that? shoudl I help her get safer
things to use on herself?
#00[02:56] <Me> You could offer to purchase sex toys for her that will satisfy her
size needs but still be flexible, and you can continue supplying her with lube and
a safe place to explore.
[02:57] <DadFistsDau> oh ok
[02:57] <DadFistsDau> from a medical standpoint, how big a toy should I let her
choose before I say that its too big for her?
[02:58] <DadFistsDau> or should I not limit her and just let her get what she
wants?
#00[02:58] <Me> Anything she can get into her should be okay, technically, as long
as it isn't bulbed at the end so it can come out just as easily.
#00[02:59] <Me> And something with some give is certainly better than something
rigid
[03:00] <DadFistsDau> is this OK for her? http://www.discreet-romance.com/worlds-
largest-jelly-dong-adult-sex-toys-27122.html
[03:00] <DadFistsDau> or this? http://www.discreet-romance.com/great-american-
challenge-jelly-adult-sex-toys-25814.html
#00[03:00] <Me> Are you being serious?
[03:01] <DadFistsDau> yes, I found these links in her email
#00[03:02] <Me> Has she gotten things that wide inside her before?
[03:03] <DadFistsDau> yes, the candle is that large
#00[03:03] <Me> Wow...that's...just impressive.
#00[03:03] <Me> She must have really been doing a lot of work on stretching
herself
[03:04] <DadFistsDau> It's a daily thing for her
[03:04] <DadFistsDau> I think it's been going on a long time
#00[03:04] <Me> It must have been. How tall is she?
[03:05] <DadFistsDau> around 4'10" or 4'11"
[03:06] <DadFistsDau> she wont get much taller either I think. She hasn't grown in
a year and her mom was 4'11"
#00[03:06] <Me> That's really unusual, then. I wouldn't think a girl that old at
that height would be able to handle such large insertions
[03:07] <DadFistsDau> her mom could, and more
#00[03:07] <Me> Evenso, her mom has had the benefit of puberty widening her hips
and giving more room.
[03:08] <DadFistsDau> true
[03:08] <DadFistsDau> she did have awesome hips
[03:08] <DadFistsDau> she knew how to swing them too. she was a stripper
#00[03:08] <Me> What happened to her?
[03:08] <DadFistsDau> drug overdose
[03:09] <DadFistsDau> Kelsey was 4, doesn't even remember her
#00[03:09] <Me> Has your daughter ever seen her strip, or doing anything sexual?
Either in real life or on video?
[03:09] <DadFistsDau> she has all of her moms videos
#00[03:09] <Me> Sexual videos?
[03:09] <DadFistsDau> nothing hardcore, but a lot of her dance and pole routines
[03:10] <DadFistsDau> some making out with girls on stage
#00[03:10] <Me> But not inserting anything.
[03:10] <DadFistsDau> no, I keep those videos in ym closet
#00[03:10] <Me> I'll wager she's seen them.
#00[03:11] <Me> This all sounds like it's related to losing her mother
[03:11] <DadFistsDau> could be
[03:12] <DadFistsDau> so how did you help the other girl learn to orgasm without
fisting?
#00[03:12] <Me> Her making out with friends and seeing her mother make out with
other girls. I'll wager her interest in fisting and more came from seeing your
private videos.
#00[03:12] <Me> She's trying to identify with her mother by doing what she's seen
her mother do
[03:13] <DadFistsDau> well, I just checked my box in the closet and the videos are
gone, so you are probably right
[03:13] <DadFistsDau> is that bad?
#00[03:13] <Me> It's not necessarily healthy
#00[03:13] <Me> Has she flirted with you yet?
[03:14] <DadFistsDau> i doubt she would stop. The orgasms ive seen her have are so
powerful. its kinda scary
[03:14] <DadFistsDau> she flirts with me all the time. thats normal for girls her
age. Just the usual stuff, flipping up her skirt to let me see her pansites and
stuff
[03:14] <DadFistsDau> oops
[03:15] <DadFistsDau> pansites = panties
#00[03:15] <Me> I gathered.
#00[03:15] <Me> I suspect this flirting is more than that.
[03:15] <DadFistsDau> ?
[03:15] <DadFistsDau> what is it?
#00[03:15] <Me> In all likelihood, she wants to sleep with the man her mother
slept with.
[03:16] <DadFistsDau> is that healthy?
#00[03:16] <Me> It's another way to feel closer to her mother.
#00[03:17] <Me> The fixation on her mother can have some serious developmental
issues.
[03:18] <DadFistsDau> i gotta go. thanks for everything!
Session Close: Fri Jan 01 03:24:08 2010