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I am Jason Alexander Hughey, a


lover of weight lifting and vegetarian
for 6 years. Like many people I used
to workout...then quit. Growing up I
was somewhat fit thanks to varsity
track and soccer, but I was never
very muscular or strong. I wanted to
prove that you can still put on
muscle like anyone else on a
vegetarian diet. I'm far from done
yet, but I have come a long way.

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Starting Weight: 170lbs

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Bulking calories 4000 +Cutting Calories 3200 +I am not sure of my one rep maxes.
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Squat 185 5x5 to 315 5x5
Bench 175 1rm to 225 x5
Deadlift 250 x5 to 405 x5
Dumbbell Seated Shoulder Press 40s
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My current training schedule 6x per
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Monday: Back, Calves, Abs

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I officially started my training


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was joining Reddit's second BTFC
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the end of August, 2011. I decided if
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maybe I have a chance. At the end
of the three month challenge I came
in second place. It turns out if you
actually apply what you learn you
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Over the last couple years I have


continued to learn and improve my
physique. I found that I absolutely
love helping people. So much so I
started a blog to help address some
of the many common questions I see
and inspire others. Check it out here
at:
www.jasonhfitness.com
There is so much bullshit out there
that getting in great shape seems
over complicated (it was for me in
the beginning). I've applied my own
knowledge and learned "the truth" so
to speak. It's simple so don't let
anyone fool you: Eat right and train
hard. Be consistent and never look
for shortcuts. Put in the work and be
honest with yourself. Real progress
takes months. Embrace the grind and
love the hard work. It doesn't matter
so much what program you follow,
especially as a beginner. It matters
that you actually FOLLOW THROUGH
and train consistently.

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I recommend anyone interested in


working out to scour youtube,
google workout questions and read
books on fitness and nutrition.
Become hungry for information. That
is what I've done for over 6 years
now and continue to do daily. It
doesn't have to be complicated, but
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ultimately developing your own


training style. /end sales pitch. A
good free place to start is google or
websites like simplyshredded. There
are some great programs there and
motivation.
It is my dream to start making a
difference and show that
vegetarians can pack on muscle too.
Any support would be greatly
appreciated!
Feel free to AMA about diet, training
or anything else.
You can also follow me on facebook
which is a great place to ask
questions as well.
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[] mglsts W e ightlifting

73 points 2 m onths ago

Really good work.


Can you give us an example of what your
meals might look like in a day?
Any recipes you want to share?
What did your daily macros look like?
Do you find yourself having to eat
considerably more to hit your protein
levels?
Did you eat a lot of Soy? I keep reading
about some of the negative effects of Soy
because of the trypsin/protease inhibitors.
Thank you.
pe rm alink
[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 66 points 2 m onths
ago*

Thanks for the kind words.


I don't consider my diet the epitome of
optimal health or eating. It's just what
has worked for me and works well with
the lifestyle I want to lead.
My diet is the same most days. It's
pretty simple:
Meal 1: 1 scoop Serious Mass Whey
Protein with 2 cups soy milk
Meal 2: 2 toasted cinnamon raisin
bagels loaded with 2-3 tablepoons of
peanut butter each
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Meal 3 (post workout): 1 scoop Serious


Mass Whey Protein, 2 cups soy milk, 1
frozen banana, 1/2 cup natural peanut
butter, 1 cup water all blended
together. (1600 calories)
Meal 4: 2 Morning Star Garden Veggie
Burgers on a toasted bagel loaded with
leafy greens and some cheese.
There are many other meals I
occasionally swap in, but the mass
gainer shakes are a daily thing.
This is over 4000 calories and about
215 grams of protein. When I lower my
calories which I am doing now I just
use less peanut butter in my post
workout shake. Doing so requires that I
add in some extra protein so I put in an
addition scoop of whey isolate protein
(25 grams) into my post workout
shake.
So yes, as a vegetarian it is WAY
easier to meet my protein levels when I
eat more. So much so it is a non issue.
Once I start to diet down I do have to
be careful. But you don't need more
than 1 gram per lb of lean body weight.
People overdo protein. The concept
that has helped me the most is to eat
a diet high in carbs and fat so the
protein I do take in is conserved to
repair tissues in the body.
I have done research on soy milk since
I use it myself. If there really is any
negative side effect it is probably so
small to be undetectable. Worrying
about soy milk because of estrogen
content is also bullshit. I used to drink
a lot more vit D milk each day (I even
did GOMAD once when I was less wise
though it did help me build a lot of
muscle). I have seen no difference
drinking soy milk it works the same.
A great recipe is to take oatmeal, milk,
a banana and a few spoon fulls of
peanut butter. Microwave it all
together for a few minutes. It all melts
together and tastes amazing. Currently
eating it right now!
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[] zumx 27 points 2 m onths ago

Thanks for the tips. I'm a


vegetarian as well trying to put on
some muscle and I'm skinny as hell.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 31 points 2
m onths ago

I recommend you read my blog


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post which applies to skinny


people trying to gain muscle.
Follow that and you will be
successful. Also subscribe to
/r/gainit which is a great
community for inspiration and
tips to gain lean muscle.
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[] NorthernLad4 W e ightlifting
6 points 2 m onths ago

First, good job on the


progress!
Second, I'm inspired by
your gainer shake as a
method of bringing in
calories, but I can't seem
to find any natural peanut
butter such that 1/2 cup
== 1500 calories. What
brand of peanut butter do
you use?
Thanks. :)
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 5
points 2 m onths ago

Yep that was a total


typo when I was adding
up my calories. I put in
1 cup of peanut butter
instead of 1/2. haha
now I look like a
dumbass. Haha thank
you I will correct that!
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[] misplaced_my_pants 2 points 2
m onths ago

Here you go.


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[] redinator 3 points 2 m onths ago

What about taking soy protein


isolate instead of whey?
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[] Kingbrandeno 4 points 2 m onths ago

It's .7-1.2 g of protein per kg of


body weight. I couldn't agree more
that people over consume protein.
But if you're going by lb you could
still be over consuming. Convert
your lb into kg
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I appreciate that comment you


are absolutely right! In practice
I get closer to .8 some days
depending on what I eat so
thanks for sharing!
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[] Kingbrandeno 4 points 2
m onths ago

I completely neglected
you're hard work, I
apologize. You look
fantastic man, truly
motivating. I'm a nutrition
major and the kg over lb
thing is just always
overlooked so I try make
note whenever I see it...:)
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4
points 2 m onths ago

I thank you, no worries.


I will be more careful
myself. I'm glad that I
can have someone with
a better nutrition
background back up
what I have found with
my own diet :)
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[] JohnCoffee23 2 points 2 m onths ago

huh, noticed you took in 3200+calories for your cut, i'm about 6'1
206 lbs currently doing my first cut
after about 5 years of lifting but i'm
doing about 2020 calories a day, so
far it's been fine and i haven't
really been hungry but it did seem
like a low amount of calories, what
do you think?
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2
m onths ago

Your body could have adapted


to the lower food intake if you
have been eating like that for a
long time. I think if you steadily
raised it over a period of weeks
while training consistently you
might be better off. Maybe
closer to 2500 especially
considering you are 6'1. But
that is not accounting for your
age either. This way you can
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adjust if you feel like you are


getting fat. I personally think
that is too low to be
maintaining a lot of muscle (But
I don't know your goals). What
is your "bulking calories"? All
that being said, if it is working
for you and you are happy keep
doing it! If you are just cutting
now after 5 years what is your
current estimated bf%?
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[] JohnCoffee23 1 point 2
m onths ago

Yea i think the 2500 range


seems more appropriate but
i'm kind of just testing the
waters right now, so we'll
see. Bulking calories was
around 3500-4000, my
body fat % is i would say
around 18% and i'm going
for the 10-12% range, but
i'll see what i am
comfortable with. I'm only
doing a 6 week cut since
i'm new to all of this,
thanks for the feedback.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 1
point 2 m onths ago

Yea sounds like that


would be a better fit for
you. I know the feeling
though. I have spent so
much time trying to
gain it feels weird to
cut. Each time I have
cut the second I feel
lean I find myself
increasing the calories
again haha. I just want
to keep making
progress. Maybe in
another couple years I
will find some more
satisfaction.
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[] JohnCoffee23 2
points 2 m onths ago

That's the thing


about body building,
you're never
satisfied, it's weird.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ]
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It is a gift and a
curse
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[] MCJokeExplainer 2 points 2 m onths
ago

As a girl on a cut seeing you get to


eat 4,000 calories a day:
http://i.imgur.com/1u2L0.gif
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[] buzz_lightyear- 7 points 2 m onths
ago

I'm just gonna say this: maybe for


body building purposes, worrying
about the estrogen levels in soy
protein has no purpose. However, I
think it is more of a concern with
women especially. I was vegetarian
for a year and during that time
stopped having my period. I didn't
know at that time it was due to
soy, but that suspicion ended up
being confirmed a couple months
ago when I started drinking my
protein shakes with soy milk again.
Lo and behold, no period. As soon
as I stopped drinking soy milk, my
period came back. So...not ALL the
worry about soy is totally wrong.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 12 points 2
m onths ago

If that is true it would be


something to take note of for
sure. I just googled the
question and can't find any
other examples after trying a
few searches. It could be a soy
allergy maybe? Or maybe some
people react to it differently. I
really don't know, but if I were
you I certainly would not be
drinking soy milk if there was a
clear link to losing your period.
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[] noonehereisontrial 2 points 2
m onths ago

So so so correct. My nutrition class


emphasizes that no matter how
athletic you are, you don't need
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more than 1g/kg, obviously if you're


trying to bulk it won't hurt you, but
it's not necessary. The emphasis
America has on protein is so
unhealthy.
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[] audiophileguy 2 points 2 m onths
ago

We learned too much protein


actually can hurt you by
impairing kidney function. But
I'm guessing that's going above
and beyond anyone's wildest
expectations for protein
consumption
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[] caedin8 1 point 2 m onths ago

Why the soy milk though? If you


are consuming Whey protein you
are consuming cow-based
products. I don't see the reasoning
behind wanting soy milk, but being
okay with Whey? In case you don't
know what Whey is, "Whey is left
over when milk is coagulated during
the process of cheese production,
and contains everything that is
soluble from milk."
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 12 points 2
m onths ago

I understand whey is made


from milk. I wanted to cut
down on the overall dairy in my
diet. I felt it was contributing
to poor skin and my research
has led me to believe it is not
really a health food (not to say
it is unhealthy either). Though
it is awesome in terms of a
balance of carbs, fat and
protein to gain weight. Soy milk
has less calories from fat but
that has nothing really to do
with my choice.
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[] caedin8 2 points 2 m onths
ago

Oh okay, thanks for the


clarification.
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[] sr79 1 point 2 m onths ago

What is your grocery bill per week


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roughly?
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2
m onths ago

Not too bad maybe about 50


bucks or so. I eat a lot of
peanut butter and bagels every
day. I eat really cheap in
general. I can't afford to eat 5k
calories of perfection each day.
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[] JustWokeUp1 Good for one custom flair
points 2 m onths ago

87

Your starting lifts seem very high for a


beginner, did you go to the gym a fair
amount before you started officially
counting?
pe rm alink
[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 73 points 2 m onths
ago*

Yes I trained in my at home gym (just


a bench and some barbells) for a
couple years before plus did some
strength training with varsity track.
Over the course of 3 years I only
added about ten lbs. My true starting
weight is more like 160 lbs. But I would
train for a few months than totally quit
for a few months. My advantage was
the knowledge I learned about lifting.
That's partly why I was able to make
so much progress on my own in a short
time when I made the decision to
actually try.
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[] mayonuki 22 points 2 m onths ago

That's really impressive to get to


benching over your weight
(especially at such a tall height)
with that kind of training!
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 12 points 2
m onths ago

I've always had trouble growing


my chest so it's nice to be
making some progress! Thank
you :)
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[] freebird321 2 points 2
m onths ago

What do you recommend


for stimulating chest
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strength/growth? I've been


stuck at 175 1RM for at
least a couple months now
it feels like. If it helps, my
squat and deadlift are leaps
and bounds above my
bench, I weigh in @ 185,
and I am trying to do the
powerlifting thing w/ a
texas method routine.
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[] GunGeekA TX 1 point 2 m onths
ago

I'm also 6'4" and one of my


goals is being able to 1RM my
body weight. My 1RM is 195lbs
right now and 220lbs body
weight, so I'm getting there.
It'll be easier if I cut another
10lbs of fat.
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[] JustWokeUp1
Good for one custom flair
m onths ago

3 points 2

It is great progress. I'm in a similar


situation, started bulking in January
and have gained 6kg but also 5%
body fat (although I think less as
my before was lower than
expected). The training though has
been spotty and I'm starting a
clean bulk. Should be able to get
the next 7kg or so I want then cut
back down. Did you gain much bf in
your bulk?
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 8 points 2
m onths ago

When I was less experienced I


did GOMAD (Gallon of Milk a
Day) for 3.5 months. I actually
think it's great that I did it. I
put on a lot of muscle but also
a lot of fat. I just didn't realize
how much fat because I am tall
and all that muscle gave me
the illusion that I was leaner
than I was. I still had a 4 pack
and the shadow of a 6 pack
when I flexed. I learned from
this. In an entire year I did not
gain a single lb. Actually I
gained a lot more muscle and
lost fat and was way bigger
looking the next year. But I
actually weighed the same
haha. So maybe if I didn't
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waste my time gaining so much


fat I would have not had to cut
as much. Now my main goal is
to gain slowly. .25 lbs a week is
plenty. But as a beginner it was
easier to gain muscle so our
goals have to change.
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[] JustWokeUp1
Good for one custom flair
point 2 m onths ago

Very true. Once I get to


the level I want I fully
intend to lean gain too. If
only that time wasn't so far
away.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3
points 2 m onths ago

When you look back it


goes way faster than
you imagine. And you
can still enjoy the
changes you see each
month!
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[] gang_vape 2 points 2 m onths
ago

What in your opinion is a good


way to measure body fat? I
have some cheapo calipers but
cant tell how accurate they
are.. they seem to flex when I
apply pressure.
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[] JustWokeUp1
Good for one custom flair
points 2 m onths ago

I'm lucky in that the staff


at my gym (Uni gym) do
free health asssesments
including body fat checks.
They use the calipers and
seem good at using them.
The calipers look good
quality and I trust the
results. I can't vouch for
other techniques but most
seem to have a large error
deviation. The most
important thing is to be
consistent, that way
regardless of the result you
get you can still record any
differences and gains.
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[] xbuzzx108 21 points 2 m onths ago

No meat. No problem!
pe rm alink
[] Furkel_Bandanawich 34 points 2 m onths ago

Good job fixing your hair.


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[] Cavemansol 13 points 2 m onths ago

Sorta...
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[] dtrainusmc Powe rlifting
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34 points 2 m onths

Lol @ people asking if this guy is natty.


I forget I'm on r/fitness sometimes.
pe rm alink
[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 19 points 2 m onths ago

haha I know it makes me laugh. Do I


even lift?
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[] sharpie32 8 points 2 m onths ago

New to /r/fitness ... What is this


"natty?"
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 18 points 2
m onths ago

We are talking about natural


body builders vs. unnatural
people who use performance
enhancing drugs to build muscle
such as dianabol, turinabol etc.
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[] sosern 10 points 2 m onths ago

Natural, as in not using steroids


or other stuff like that.
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[] matthewjpb 9 points 2 m onths ago

Wait are you saying he is or isn't?


Sorry if this is a dumb question.
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[] Kangaroo__Court 21 points 2
m onths ago

He very much is.


Many naturally large men who just
started lifting could put up bigger
numbers within 10 months or so.
His attention and work regarding
diet and bodyfat level is what
distinguishes him from the former
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group and thus 6-pack!


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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 7 points 2
m onths ago

Bingo ;)
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[] CoryKatherine 18 points 2 m onths ago

I find it EXTREMELY disheartening that the


top two comments on such an amazing,
detailed progress report are critical. Would
not be that way if vegetarianism wasn't
the subject. I am deeply impressed by OP.
Not so much by the sub.
pe rm alink
[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 7 points 2 m onths ago

Thank you for being so supportive! I


expect the criticism which is part of
why I am posting. I hope I tore down
some preconceived notions. Anytime
you put yourself out there or attempt
anything worth while it will attract
criticism. The positive reactions like
yours remind us it's all worth it in the
end.
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[] Screenaged 10 points 2 m onths ago

On behalf of people everywhere that are


sick to death of hearing vegetarian jokes
from fat guys that call themselves
carnivores: thank you.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 6 points 2 m onths ago

Hahaha I'll show them what's up


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[] DibaloHardy 41 points 2 m onths ago

Good job!
How do you fulfill your protein macros?
Tbh the only thing that crosses my mind
right now are beans and tofu.
What do you have to say to people who
state that soy protein is inferior to whey?
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[] BonaFidee 117 points 2 m onths ago

Vegetarians can use Whey. You're


thinking of vegans.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 55 points 2 m onths
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As a vegetarian or vegan weight lifter


trying to put on muscle I do believe
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supplementation is very important.


People become so obsessed with eating
"clean" they end up hurting their
progress by eating nothing but
vegetables, fruits and nuts. Though I
think your diet should be high in those
foods, when you start training hard you
really need to add in high calories
meals or else your body will never be
able to add muscle. That's partly why
so many vegans and vegetarians are so
skinny. I think it has a lot less to do
with protein.
But back to the supplementation point,
it is very beneificla. I personally use
Optimum Nutrition Serious Mass 2x a
day. I also will add in a whey protein
isolate when cutting because eating
less calories means I am taking in less
protein. You need less protein than
some people would have you believe.
1gram per lb of lean body mass has
been more than enough for me to make
the progress I have.
As far as soy protein goes, I drink at
least 4 cups of soy milk a day. I spent
the first 1.5 years drinking vitamin D
milk and made similar progress over
that time compared to now. Based on
my research and personal anecdotal
evidence if there is any difference it is
so small to be unnoticeable. I can't
comment on soy based protein powders
as I have never used them at length.
But I suspect they could be very
effective and would be the second
best option if you don't eat whey.
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[] eggn00dles 3 points 2 m onths ago

what do you think about


phytoandrogens? do you try to
consume these?
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[] autowikibot 11 points 2 m onths
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Phytoandrogens:
Phytoandrogens are
substances produced in
plants which have effects
similar to testosterone in
animals.
Interesting: Phytoestrogens
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FAQs | Mods | Magic Words


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[] Squawberry 2 points 2
m onths ago*

Are they orally available? If


not, eating them has no
effect. My guess is they're
not. Examine article
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[] jigal_le_puff 4 points 2 m onths ago*

So I'm one of those vegetarians


obsessed with eating clean and it's
destroying my wallet and making it
difficult to hit the correct amount
of calories. Where should I be going
"dirty"? What do you define as
dirty? Is it bags of chips or just
processed foods in general? I
started using protein shakes if that
counts as dirty.
EDIT: WOW thanks everyone who
replied. Now I'm excited to try all
this food out
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[] PuglyTaco 12 points 2 m onths
ago

Cheese, yogurt, avocados,


olive oil/butter, peanuts,
bananas, are all high in calories
and/or protein and are
reasonably cheap. Don't resort
to eating chips and crap just to
hit your macros.
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[] TheWhimsicalFox 3 points 2
m onths ago

Cheese is a fucking god


send. Just a kg of cheese a
week can do wonders for
adding to your bulk.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 8 points 2
m onths ago

haha that's great. First stop


thinking about all processed
foods as being bad. Processed
foods represent basically 99%
of everything there is to eat. In
this day and age everything is
processed at some level. My
dream is actually for science to
perfect a perfect food that I
can just drink and never worry
about eating again (soylent is a
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company trying to do this).


Until then, yes protein shakes
are a great start. I recommend
going to amazon and trying
Optimum Nutrition Serious
Mass. Best value for the money
that I can find. Keep eating
clean but allow yourself some
more freedom. I use bagels and
peanut butter a lot. It is cheap
and easy. Someday when I am
wealthy I can have the perfect
diet. But I have a feeling I
won't change much lol.
I would avoid things that are
obviously not going to help you
much (things that are devoid of
nutrition) like potato chips,
processed junk food and such.
You should be looking at food
more than just for caloric
content for sure. Yes you
COULD eat a bunch of high
processed sugary and fatty
foods but your overall progress
will be hindered a bit. And when
you eat the nutrition your body
needs it pretty much eliminates
your cravings. I almost never
get junk food cravings. I also
drink a gallon of water a day on
average which helps. All that
being said, eating some food
devoid of nutrition has not
slowed me down at all. But it is
never a main focus of daily
diet.
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[] the__funk 31 points 2
m onths ago

99%? Man, you gotta learn


to cook...
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[] [deleted] 6 points 2 m onths
ago

yah...soylent or anything
similar is not healthy in the
slightest. it's only use is to
combat starvation in poor
countries if it can be made
for cheap. otherwise eating
proper food is 10x better
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[] fiddel_fabulous 2
points 2 m onths ago

yeah I agree. i don't


knock the attempt at
perfect simple food but
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What i read the other


day from the creator of
soylent is that when he
ate "real" food again he
had trouble with his
stomach. he stated it
was because he had
ate the soylent for so
long that without fiber
in his diet bacteria in
his gut died off.
That is a serious
fucking problem as we
don't know the full
extent of what they do
for or against us but
certainly know by now
that they effect all our
bodies in enormous
ways from mental
states, cravings,
immune function, organ
function, gene
replication and even
nervous tissue function.
So from that I see
soylent with a well
understood bacterial
complex would work but
in its current state...
seriouslyis lacking.
Side note: It did seem
curious that once you
start eating soylent you
have trouble eating
anything else which is
great if you make the
product because it
hooks your users to it,
cleaver girl.
sorry to rant.
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[] cochair 1 point 2 m onths ago

Try eating more grain. Rice,


spaghetti, bread. Plenty of
calories, and cheap for the
most part.
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[] Mattpilf 1 point 2 m onths ago

While at least for vegetarian it's


not hard to reach protein levels
while bulking, since you need more
protein when cutting with less
calories, you pretty much definitely
need some supplemental protein
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unless you do a shit ton of cardio.


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[] kaji823 5 points 2 m onths ago

Vegan here.. I use tofu and vegan


protein powder. I don't really count
beans.
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[] BrainDeadUnit 18 points 2 m onths ago

I don't think any science has shown


that soy is inferior to whey.
There's a lot of people who try to say
soy increases estrogen levels, but if
you spend 10 minutes on google trying
to dig up any actual scientific papers
or academic sources (or any site that
actually references their sources),
you'll see that the science that does
show estrogen levels has been severely
flawed, and the rest show no practical
affect until you get to eating 10
packages of tofu a day or some insane
amounts like that. Protein
supplementation is fine.
In my experience, the "Soy protein
sucks" is just general bigotry of people
trying to find ways to justify their
entrenched anti-animal-harm-reduction
stances.
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[] TheIslander829 Sprinting
m onths ago

2 points 2

Nothing beats whey in efficiency.


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[] Doc_ 5 points 2 m onths ago

'Mirin hard over here. Good shit man.


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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 m onths ago

Thanks brah that means the world to


me
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[] heyoh1 8 points 2 m onths ago

wow.. I am also vegetarian, since the


beginning of 2008 but am like you used to
be...this gives me hope and courage to
improve my body, thanks for posting!
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 m onths ago

You're welcome! Be sure to hit up my


facebook page as I am going to be
doing a lot more on the topic of
vegetarian body building :)
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[] afoona 6 points 2 m onths ago*

Great progress! Vegan female here, don't


have bulking up plans, just getting more fit,
doing a HIIT 30 days challange at the
moment and walk/cycle to work as my
aerobic fix. Hate the gym. Will try to
combine HIIT and running (5k) outside
once this challange is over. Took me a
while to understand it's a life style and not
a task.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 m onths ago

Good for you! I do some HIIT training


now and then. It is way harder than
anything I ever did in high school. I
wish I knew about it then. Keep it up!
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[] [deleted] 20 points 2 m onths ago

impressive! now all you need to do is to


bring back that old hair do from the before
picture
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[] commodore-69 5 points 2 m onths ago

Agreed. That's a tight hairdo


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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 18 points 2 m onths ago

Maybe that would help calm down all


this extra attention from girls. Good
point!
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[] 8qq 11 points 2 m onths ago

do you ever run into girls you knew


in high school? I can only imagine
the reactions lol
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[] why_rob_y 4 points 2 m onths ago

Great job! I love how high your cutting


calories are. You must be active.
I'm a vegetarian lifter, too - it's definitely
hard to make sure I get the right amount
of protein if I'm not careful, but I've found
that as long I'm actually tracking it, I do
fine.
If there are other vegetarians reading protein shakes help, of course, but go buy
lots of Greek yogurt (I've recently been
having Chobani Simply 100 or Dannon Light
& Fit - both have 12 grams of protein, with
only 100 or 80 calories, respectively). A
great way to get some extra protein into
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your diet while you're snacking.


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[] sweetjingle 3 points 2 m onths ago

I'm not a vegetarian, but Greek yogurt


is a big part of my protein intake. It's
good stuff. I've always seen it as a
type of Greek-tofu; it is easily flavored
and is very healthy. My grandfather,
who is full-Greek, laughs at American
Greek yogurt, telling me it is a joke,
but, whatever. Before I give you my
life story, I'll cut it short and just say,
the shit is awesome.
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[] Mybuttcheeksburn Bask e tball
m onths ago

13 points 2

Skinny body to sick body.


Sick hair to skinny hair.
Step up your hair game bro, you used to
be somebody. /s
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 7 points 2 m onths ago

:'( I wasted all my time in the gym


when I could have sat on the couch
and grew and epic wig. (I did actually
donate my hair when it was shoulder
length so somewhere there is a guy or
girl with aesthetic as fuck blonde hair)
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[] moderatelysizedmikel 5 points 2 m onths ago

Is this fucking real? Seriously OP, killer


gains.Great Job!
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[] Bstpitch 203 points 2 m onths ago

Training bigger muscle groups like legs


actually releases more hormones
Dat dere bro science
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[] davomyster 226 points 2 m onths ago

Is it? I found this abstract after


googling for two minutes which says,
"Anabolic hormones such as
testosterone and the superfamily of
growth hormones (GH) have been
shown to be elevated during 15-30
minutes of post-resistance exercise
providing an adequate stimulus is
present." It goes on to say, "Protocols
high in volume, moderate to high in
intensity, using short rest intervals and
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stressing a large muscle mass, tend


to produce the greatest acute
hormonal elevations (e.g. testosterone,
GH and the catabolic hormone cortisol)"
Has it been conclusively shown that
resistance training with large muscle
groups, such as squats, don't increase
anabolic hormone levels more than
exercises involving smaller muscle
groups?
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[] mrcosmicna 29 points 2 m onths ago

It's more about whether or not the


acute release of hormones is
relevant to hypertrophy.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 6 points 2
m onths ago

I think this is the most relevant


point. It may be true but
perhaps I was mislead to
believe it was even a
significant effect. Squatting
and deadlifting recruit many
muscles to stabilize and assist
with the movement. From that
perspective it can be good to
help build an overall strong
physique. But if the effect of
hormone release from large
muscle groups is so limited then
its not something worth
mentioning. Training legs twice
is helpful from an athleticism
stand point, burning calories,
getting the legs to grow, etc.
So there are other good
reasons to do it.
This reminds me of the debate
on increasing metabolic rate
and burning more fat by eating
smaller meals. People have
success with that and claim it
is true when really it was
probably just their overall lower
caloric intake that helped them
lose weight. We tend to blame
our success on the wrong
reasons when we don't
understand the science.
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[] StiltzkinBeasting 2 points 2
m onths ago

Correlation =/= causation


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[] Citonpyh 64 points 2 m onths ago

People love so much calling


"broscience" that when they hear
something actually not that stupid
they don't see the difference
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[] nm172 11 points 2 m onths ago

No, it's called broscience when


pseudoscience is used to
justify something. There has
been no study proving his
claim. A slight, 15-30 minute
hormone boost isn't going to
make a difference.
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[] Druid51 30 points 2 m onths ago

I'm pretty sure Bstpitch wasn't


just calling it broscience as a
joke, this was proven to be
ineffective. Working a "large
muscle mass" does release
more hormones, but not enough
to make a difference in the
results you get from training. It
is probably as effective as
taking an over-the-counter
test booster which is also
useless. If you want to get
more gainz from increased test
you have to elevate your levels
by many times fold (aka
steroids) not just a little bit.
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[] OptimusPrime242 5 points 2 m onths
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More:
To optimally evoke TST
concentrations and further
enhance hypertrophy within the
smaller musculature, that may
otherwise only be under the
influence of GH and IGF, sessions
should be initiated with large
muscle group exercises. These
could be squats or deadlifts for
example, however these may
negatively affect subsequent
sessions that target the lowerbody musculature. Alternatively,
any of the Olympic lifts or their
derivatives could be used and
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therefore assist the transition


into the subsequent periodisation
phases such as strength and
power

www.researchgate.net/profile/Jeremy_Moody/publication/235336705_Neuroendocrinology_an
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[] squarebutstrong 4 points 2 m onths
ago

It's all fine that their elevated but


by enough to make a significant
effect?
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[] rimnii 2 points 2 m onths ago

slightly increase test levels dont


make a huge difference is the point
i think, there are many more
benefits from the increased test
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 56 points 2 m onths ago

I read it on the internet! Its gotta be


true
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[] dtrainusmc Powe rlifting
m onths ago*

0 points 2

It's 100% bullshit.


Lol downvoting zyzz faggots
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[] heuschnupfenmittel 19 points 2
m onths ago

Combo that with


There's so much bullshit out there
so check out my website
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[] OptimusPrime242 4 points 2 m onths
ago

Prove it.
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[] cochair 1 point 2 m onths ago

60% of the time


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[] WapeyHapey 3 points 2 m onths ago

Amazing progress. I'm currently a fair bit


more muscular than your starting but no
way near your current. I would love to
have your current physique! I'm also 6'4.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 5 points 2 m onths ago

Wow you should head on over to /r/tall


and you can feel short with me lol.
But seriously you can do it! Seeing as
how you are my height you are going
to need to take in more calories than
other people. And us tall guys need to
put on more muscle for it to show. AND
our range of motion for exercises like
squatting is going to be further. We
basically have to lift the same weight a
further distance each rep. But that's all
good because having a bigger body
means more room to pack on muscle. I
recommend you read the article I
posted on my blog here. I think it will
really help you. Best of luck! Let me
know if you have any questions!
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[] WapeyHapey 1 point 2 m onths ago

I will check out your blog now,


keep up the hard work! I bet you'll
be pulling a lot of looks this summer
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2
m onths ago

Thank please do! Let me know


if there's anything you would
like me to write about. I will be
updating it usually multiple
times a week. Haha you might
be right!
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[] WapeyHapey 3 points 2
m onths ago

I have to say, thanks for


posting that to me (in first
reply). It was very helpful
what you have wrote. I am
definitely going to start
making myself these shakes
to help put on mass! I've
always struggled to hit high
calorie amounts despite
spending so much time
eating so this really should
help me.
Things I'd mostly like to see
are just recipes for high
calorie foods, foods which
are often overlooked but
very good to eat for gains
etc.
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points 2 m onths ago

I'm really glad I could


help! Thank you, I
appreciate the
feedback I will make
sure I write up some
more as there are a few
others I could share
that have helped me a
lot. I think an entire
recipe section will be an
addition in the future.
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[] tozion W e ightlifting

3 points 2 m onths ago

You'll be surprised to know there are plenty


of vegetarian bodybuilders in India, it's
surprising what a decent source of protein
dal is. They still need whey though, and
one serving doesn't suffice IMHO.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2 m onths ago

Really? I am going to look this up


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[] holdagold 3 points 2 m onths ago

I like how the selfie concept changed in


2.5 years. In the beginning, you probably
had friend to take picture of you. After
geting a better body, however, it seems
that desocialization has been completed.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 5 points 2 m onths ago

lol. I have no time for friends. The gym


is my friend now.
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[] rickrossroll 3 points 2 m onths ago

Is it just me or is this just one big


advertisement for this dude's fitness blog?
What's the rules in /r/fitness regarding
self-promotion like this?
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[] QueenOfTheKitchen 13 points 2 m onths ago

Can I speak for all us ladies when I say


"WOW!!" You not only have an amazing
body, but you look so much more confidant
in the second photo!
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[] negativereddit 8 points 2 m onths ago

Why are you grabbing your underwear like


that
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[] MCJokeExplainer 19 points 2 m onths ago

Inb4 preachy vegetarian comments.


Really stoked you're posting here. Always
great to see another vegetarian showing
people that it's very possible to make
progress without meat. Would love to see
more specifics about your diet!
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[] A LoudMouthBaby C rossfit
m onths ago

20 points 2

Always great to see another


vegetarian showing people that it's
very possible to make progress
without meat.
Does anyone with even half a clue
actually think this any more?
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[] novw Ge ne ral Fitne ss
m onths ago

30 points 2

To answer your question: there are


a lot of people without half a clue.
Meat = protein = muscles is still a
pervasive misconception, and for
some it comprises the whole of
what they consider "nutrition".
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[] A LoudMouthBaby C rossfit
points 2 m onths ago

13

This is certainly true among the


general public. In fitness
related groups though that this
idea could still be present at all
though is really astounding to
me. So much focus has been
made on nutrition over the last
15-20 years, anyone from the
local couch-5k completer to
the local gym hero should know
that being a vegetarian is not
even a minor obstacle to any
fitness goal. Vegan is a bit
tougher, but not by much.
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[] MCJokeExplainer 6 points 2 m onths
ago

You'd be surprised. I used to work


at a gym and when I told people I
was a vegetarian, they would say
"I can't do that, it'll mess up my
gains."
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[] Nayr39 3 points 2 m onths ago

With half a clue? No. But most


people I've ever met that have
talked about vegetarianism think
like that.
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[] randy9876 9 points 2 m onths ago

You have to have meat to bulk up.


Look at large bulky animals in
nature. Horses, cows, buffalo,
rinos. Big meat eaters.
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[] bureX 10 points 2 m onths ago

Also different animals with


different stomachs and
different dietary preferences.
Whales are huge, and they eat
only plankton. You know what
to do.
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[] Screenaged 3 points 2 m onths ago

I made a $10 bet with my roommate


that we would see a comment bitching
about preachy vegetarians before we
saw a comment from a preachy
vegetarian. Thank you.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2 m onths ago

Thank you :) I posted my diet here


You can read more about why I eat like
that on my recent bog post
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[] JonnyRichter Powe rlifting
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2 points 2 m onths

Wait, you train abs 4 times a week? Do you


do different exercises, or do you just think
the more often you train a muscle, the
faster it'll develop?
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 m onths ago

I do different exercises, but go back to


the same ones a lot (cable crunches,
ankle to bar hanging leg lifts, decline
bench crunches etc.)
No, I don't think that. Abs can take a
lot of abuse as they are designed to
stabilize your body all day. Personally I
want a really well balanced physique
the deep blocky abs. You can train abs
everyday. I usually train them for 1520 minutes 4-5 times a week. I have
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seen way more progress doing that


over training them 1-2 times for 30
minutes.
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[] JonnyRichter Powe rlifting
m onths ago

1 point 2

I've heard the opposite, that abs,


like any other muscle, need rest. At
least for me, they're usually too
sore to do more than a couple
times a week.
Anyway, great work on the
progress. Those are impressive
numbers that I hope to achieve in
the coming months. I'd like to see
what your one rep maxes are, since
your 5 rep max is equivalent to my
one rep.
Good job!
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[] The_Greek_ 1 point 2 m onths ago

You look awesome bro. Would you


mind giving a sample ab routine
that you do on one of your days?
Sets, reps, etc.?
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2
m onths ago

Sure :)
Ab Wheel 4x15, Cable Crunch
4x15, Decline Bench Sit Ups
4x20, Leg Lifts With Stability
Ball Between Legs 4x20 (Do a
hip thrust at the top of the
movement and stretch your
legs to the ceiling)
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[] ThatDrunkViking 2 points 2 m onths ago

So if I live a place where a pound of pb is


$10 what should I then do? already sup
with like 2 oz in my shake, but it's so
expensive.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 1 point 2 m onths ago

Order online?
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[] ThatDrunkViking 2 points 2 m onths
ago

Well, I thought about it, but with


international shipping and taxes it's
the same price.
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m onths ago

Darn that sucks. Milk is great


for gaining weight if you don't
drink it in access and allow
yourself to get too fat. Try
adding in lik 1/4 gallon a day. It
might be a good option.
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[] ThatDrunkViking 2 points 2
m onths ago

Already drink 1/2 a gallon of


0.5% a day, been doing
that for years. But thanks
anyways :)
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2
points 2 m onths ago

Ok good for you keep


at it ;)
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[] meditationswerve 2 points 2 m onths ago

Can you please tell us about your diet?


I want to be vegetarian but struggle
getting that many calories on a vegetarian
diet.
Tips plz!
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 6 points 2 m onths ago

I wrote an article on my blog to


address this exact topic! I had the
same problem as you. This is exactly
how I have handled it. Check it out
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[] scallywaggin 2 points 2 m onths ago

Being the exact height and build as you,


I'm extremely interested in this. Saving this
post and following, I've got a lot to learn.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 m onths ago

That awesome. Please do yourself a


favor and check out my blog post here.
This is what helped me the most. If
you do have the same build I can
guarantee it it will help.
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[] Konstiin 2 points 2 m onths ago

I'm a lifelong vegetarian. My parents raised


me that way. My problem is, I'm also
deathly allergic to peanut butter.
Should I just work on giving up the
vegetarianism? I've tried meat here and
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there, but I've never actually begun to eat


it.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2 m onths ago

No, have you tried almond butter? It is


a good alternative. That does suck big
time though! Really I use peanut butter
as a source of calories more than
anything. If you supplement with a
whey isolate protein powder you should
have no trouble making your protein
needs regardless of peanut butter.
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[] Konstiin 1 point 2 m onths ago

Yeah I've been using raw almond


butter as a substitute.
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[] evyajs 2 points 2 m onths ago

As a tall guy, did you have any trouble


initially with your lower back when upping
your deadlifts? I just find that when you're
taller the lever arm to the weight tends to
be longer, leaving your lower back
(regardless how good the form) resisting a
higher load. Or are you really flexible?
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 m onths ago

Yes, I also had trouble with squatting


until I got my form down. I have made
very big leaps in my lower back
strength. That has held me back way
more than my legs. I saw my squat go
up after I got my abs and back
stronger because I was able to keep
my chest up and not let the weight
crush me. Besides deadlifting I am
making sure to do lower back
hyperextensions each week to help
with that. Having a strong core helps
because that will support the lower
back. They work in harmony, of course.
I still feel like my lower back holds me
behind in my deadlifting. But I am
working on it
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[] trullard 2 points 2 m onths ago

Mirin' hard.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 1 point 2 m onths ago

My gratitude bro
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[] hoodbro__skillson 2 points 2 m onths ago

Mirin so fucking hard. I'm 6'4" as well. Got


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about another year and a half till I get to


your level of progress. Very motivational.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 m onths ago

Good, I love your attitude. Don't ever


accept defeat from yourself on your
path to reach you goal. Embrace the
daily grind and love the hard work.
Time will reveal those you put in the
effort and those who half ass their
work and sabotage their own progress.
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[] Ljppkgfgs 2 points 2 m onths ago

What is your favorite thing about your


transformation (which is very impressive
btw).
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 m onths ago

I really like the extra confidence for


sure. The mental changes have been
the most profound
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[] trustmeiminnocent 2 points 2 m onths ago*

This post inspires me. I started going


vegetarian a little less than a month ago
and I love it! This pushes me more to keep
up with it. My mile time went down from 10
min miles to running 7 min and 45 secs the
other day! I'm literally in the best shape of
my life right now. My diet constitutes of
salads- olives, chickpeas, carrots, and all,
tofu- stir fry, sushi occasionally, pb&j w/
greek yogurt for breakfast, and omelets
thrown in there. Hard to eat vegetarian at
my campus, yet my mom at home has
finally accepted the vegetarian thing and
making things for me there. Awesome. Feel the big thing is I don't eat as much as
I should. No protein shakes now either.
Right now I squat 155 at 1RM, Deadlift 135
1RM, Bench Press 115 1RM- low numbers
to start out but I haven't been seriously
working out until I started going
vegetarian- about a month. My goal? I
want to get big, I weigh 147 at the
moment from a starting weight of 138, high
metabolism, no fat-one perk of that is abs
that I'm proud of- which is a good thing as
results show faster.
Any tips for a vegetarian trying to pack on
muscle? Any good whey protein products I
should check out? Vitamins? I love the diet
change and has turned my health around
for the better.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 m onths ago

That's awesome good for you! My main


tip is that you need to be eating
enough calories. As long as you get
about .8 grams of protein per lb of lean
body mass you will be able to gain
muscle at rate as fast as anyone else.
But if you want to gain size you have
to be eating at a caloric deficit. The
same rules apply as a vegetarian that
apply to anyone else. I do this by
drinking my calories with a mass gainer
protein shake. You might consider
adding one in once a day,
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[] watchoutsucka 2 points 2 m onths ago

All I saw in my head after the pics is this.


http://cartoonician.com/wpcontent/uploads/2012/05/atlas-tophalf.jpg
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[] yogaposer 2 points 2 m onths ago

Holy cow! You look fabulous! My husband


and I are both vegetarians as well. I'm a
yoga instructor and am stronger than I
have ever been but find so many people
don't think you can get protein away from
meat. Seriously, awesome job!
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[] Rooney1986 5 points 2 m onths ago

I've never had anyone try to convince me


that you can't gain without meat.
It's mostly vegetarians who have pressed
this issue in my experience.
Well done though.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 6 points 2 m onths ago

Good, I certainly have had people in my


personal life doubt me a lot. But they
do not anymore! Everyone always
thought I was a bit weird for eating the
way I do. Now they come asking about
how they can do it too. I think even
when I started being a vegetarian just
6 years ago the diet has grown in
popularity. I can't go to a restaurant
without a meat free option. It's pretty
common now and honestly is not a big
part of my life or daily concern.
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Yep, you definitely look like a vegetarian.


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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 m onths ago

Never knew that was possible cool


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[] Maikowski 4 points 2 m onths ago

vegetarian steroids?
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[] lovedatcocaineyo 3 points 2 m onths ago

So much bs in this thread.


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[] mrtony93 2 points 2 m onths ago

What do you tell people first, "I'm vegan"


or "I'm all natural" ?
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 m onths ago

hahaha I say I'm a vegetarian. Maybe


people are too afraid to ask and learn
that I'm natural. Maybe they all
secretly judge me and assume I am
unnatural. But when I look in the mirror
all I see is how much more work I have
to do. It's all a matter of perspective. I
will look bigger to a smaller personal
than I see myself in the mirror.
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[] GunthorTheGreat 2 points 2 m onths
ago

Do you eat eggs/milk products?


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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2
m onths ago

Sure do! Being a vegan is a bit


harder no doubt.
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[] DrDeath666 2 points 2 m onths ago

Natural or enhanced ?
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 1 point 2 m onths ago

Natural thanks for asking :)


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[] oneplusthreefour 1 point 2 m onths ago

Now all you have to do is get your hand


out of your pants when you take pictures
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of yourself.
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[] TruNinja619 1 point 2 m onths ago

Great job!
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[] banmenow 1 point 2 m onths ago

How active are you outside of the gym?


Cutting at 3200 is surprising to me - not
because I think it's high, but personally I'm
trying to cut at 1900, and I'm having a
hard time because I can't stand chicken or
egg whites anymore.. I can't stand the
thought of eating them at this point. I lift
weights 4-5 times a week, no cardio or
activeness outside of weight lifting. I'm
just 177ish, my body is pretty lean except
the fat seems to centralize in my stomach
and lower back.
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[] daklu 1 point 2 m onths ago

do you eat eggs and milk products?


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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 4 points 2 m onths ago

Sure do, but I try to buy the free


range eggs (even though that is more
of a marketing term) they do at least
taste better. I mainly use soy milk but I
don't avoid dairy and supplement with
whey protein each day.
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[] dudemanbro08 [
m onths ago

] 2 points 2

Free range is a marketing term?


The difference between cheap
walmart eggs and true free range
eggs is huge
Source: grew up on a small farm
and had lots of chicken farming
friends.
I know my eggs son
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[] wattslbef 1 point 2 m onths ago

How long are your workouts usually? I find


it tough to get 6 different lifts in (4 sets
each) in an hour window with decent rest
time between sets, and I always find my
weights drop off towards the end of the
workout due to fatigue. Unless you take
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very little rest time between sets?


I also do a long run before each workout,
so take that with a grain of salt too. I just
always heard an hour was the most
effective max time to be in the gym, and
looking at one of your average days it
seems like way more than that.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 5 points 2 m onths ago

This is a really great question. I usually


spend 1.5 hours in the gym when you
count in extra calve or ab training. But
the bulk of my workouts are done in
the first hour. This does mean I take
less rest between sets. Usually I find it
is more in my mind that I need to rest.
I have often discovered the need to
rest long periods is more mental. More
strength is readily available than you
realize when taking shorter rest periods
(30 second to 1 minute). I will
sometimes do more like 2 minute rest
periods and focus on lower reps (4-5
reps range) and go for as heavy as
possible each set. I apply both
concepts to my training.
Why do you run before your workout?
Nothing against it. What is your goal?
If I were trying to lose fat I would
probably run after my weight training
because my heart rate will be up and
my body will be closer to a fat burning
state so I would get more out of it. An
easy warm up run though is a different
thing. But I would not want to preexhaust myself before I hit the gym,
personally.
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[] wattslbef 1 point 2 m onths ago

Gotcha, 1.5 hrs is about what I


spend in the gym total also. I'll try
shorter rests between sets - I
actually just got a HRM and it's a
fantastic tool. I find that after
those 30s-1m my heart rate
steadies out from the peak during
lifts, but I feel like my muscles
themselves are still tired for
another minute or two. Maybe just
a matter of pushing yourself
through that wall.
I'd say my goal is just overall
fitness. In the summer I do soccer,
ultimate, and football (receiver/RB),
as well as the occasional 10k and
half, so cardio is extremely
important to me. In the winter I do
a creatine cycle and drop the runs
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to about 2-3 miles before lifting


since it gives me insane shin
splints; thats when I make my
(albeit small) gains. Summertime I
usually do 5-6 @ a 7:00 pace with
mixed speed intervals and inclines
on chest/tri and back/bi/shoulder
days, and an easier 3.5 on leg
days. I guess in the summer
months I accept that my lifts are
going to completely stall and I just
hit the weights to maintain
whatever increases I made the
past winter.
Either way, congrats on the sick
gains and progress. Especially
without eating meat - I'm not sure
I could accomplish anything near
that.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2
m onths ago

Thank you, keep up the hard


work! I think that's a very
reasonable goal.
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[] lazyslacker 1 point 2 m onths ago

honestly I was expecting this to be a troll


post with the same image side by side.
Good work man.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 m onths ago

haha thank you I can promise you it is


real
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[] RemixxMG W e ightlifting
ago

1 point 2 m onths

Did your big lifts all go up that high while


on such a high volume routine?
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 3 points 2 m onths ago

Yes, they do. I know some people


would say my routine is too high in
volume, but my training is a mix of
strength building and hypertrophy
focused rep and rest ranges. I've found
it to be an awesome balance between
building strength and getting a nice
physique. There are some people who
don't look as good as me but they are
stronger on some lifts. There are also
some who might be lean and ripped but
can't match me in strength. I have
been happy with where this training
style has brought me. Plus, it makes
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gaining fat very difficult. This way I


spend more time putting on muscle and
less time cutting.
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[] RemixxMG W e ightlifting
m onths ago

1 point 2

How does it make fat gain difficult?


Is it because of the higher calorie
burn? One last thing, on your site
some of them say " slow 4x4
second count", can you tell me
what that means?
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2
m onths ago

Good questions. It is because I


am keeping my heart rate
higher throughout my workout
by using more supersets and
taking less rest which keeps me
at a better position to burn fat.
That means that each rep
should take 8 seconds. So for a
bench press I am going to
count to 4 and will not press
the weight to the top of the
movement until I have counted
to 4. I do the same things
coming down. It is called time
under tension and is a method
to increase the overall time
your muscle spends under
contractions, thus tearing it
down and forcing growth.
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[] RemixxMG W e ightlifting
point 2 m onths ago

Nice. I always love to learn


more of the science behind
the weights. Appreciate it,
man.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 1
point 2 m onths ago

Anytime!
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[] manskies 1 point 2 m onths ago

As a vegetarian myself, I find it hard to


hard to stay off carbs. I always eat veggie
burgers and I think the buns I eat are
killing my diet, since I'm consuming a lot of
carbs. What's your diet like?
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nice work man and yeah simple lifts and


eating enough calories/protein is 90+% of
it
I'm more interested in your diet though as
that's the unique part of your story
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 m onths ago

Thanks a lot I totally agree with you


there. If you haven't seen it I did write
about my diet in my blog post here
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[] SnuggleBunnixoxo Powe rlifting
m onths ago

1 point 2

'Mirin the physique but I couldn't hold back


my chuckle when I saw your hair in the
before pic lol. Big ups on the new doo in
the after pic.
Was it difficult to bulk on a vegetarian
diet? I can imagine that eating vegetarian
would require larger portions of food to
meet your macro requirements.
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 2 points 2 m onths ago

Yes it does require larger portions of


food. If not you really just have to
supplement more. That's why when I
am dieting down I add in some whey
isolate protein powder.
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[] TheSyrupCompany 1 point 2 m onths ago

holy shit that is an impressive


transformation gotta say
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[] TheLusciousPickle 1 point 2 m onths ago

Wow you give slim tall guys like me hope.


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[] spalunk 1 point 2 m onths ago

Nice work, Costanza!


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[] unkkk Military

1 point 2 m onths ago

Do you incorporate any running into your


routine?
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[] DeathIsTruth [S ] 1 point 2 m onths ago

I do sometimes do HIIT once a week. I


have not done it in a while, so I can't
say all the time. I mainly use my
weightlifting as a form of cardio training
due to the pace I keep in the gym.
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