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Aliens and UFOs on Cable TV

Porque E. Pygge

November 2002

Rev: 2018

1 Aliens and UFOs 1
1.1 Ancient Aliens: Underground Aliens . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1
1.2 UFO Files: Alien Encounters: 2006 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 6
1.3 UFO Hunters: Area 52 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 10
1.4 UFO Hunters: Giant Triangles . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12

Descriptions and comments relating to some presentations broadcast on cable tv and

YouTube concerning UFO’s and aliens.

1 Aliens and UFOs

1.1 Ancient Aliens: Underground Aliens
18 Nov 2010

1.1.1 Turkey
The story starts in the Turkish site named Derinkuyu (see Wikipedia: Derinkuyu (under-
ground city)(a multi-level underground complex capable of sheltering a multitude of people,
their animals, and supplies. It is very sophisticated in construction–obviously too sophisti-
cated for the locals. One example is the air shafts that ventilate even to the bottom levels
of the excavation. This gets linked to the Zoroastrians whose legends say Ahurumazda, a
sky god told Vima to build an underground city to protect from ice age. Since the last ice
age was 18,000 years ago, the logic goes that if the legend is actually fact, then Darinkuyu
is really much older than thought. If the legend is actually historical fact, then what does

that say about who Ahurumazda really was. Universal consciousness? Extraterrestrial?
Advanced being from another world? Did he provide the technology to build Darinkuyu?
Was there a “Darker truth”? Specifically, why were there 1,000 lb doors that could be
opened only from inside. They were hiding from something! Since the legends say Ahuru-
mazda fought some other demon, and because we are now regarding these stories as factual,
we therefore conclude that Ahurumazda was an extraterrestrial, and these defenses were to
protect against another extraterrestrial. This means that Zoroastrianism was really about
a battle between extraterrestrials.
Darinkuyu was built in fear of an aerial enemy! This is obvious because, flying fast, such
an enemy couldn’t have seen their ventilation shafts. It’s obviously not a defense against
a conventional enemy who could have defeated them by plugging their ventilation shafts.
(Believe it or not, this crappy episode was cited in Wikipedia as authority for Darinkuyu
facts.) Are there other such places? Segue to the American southwest.

1.1.2 North America

Native American tribes from the area have aspects of the creation myth that are similar:
that they merged from some underground world into today’s world. Hopi said they went
underground to avoid falling stars helped by snake people who took them there, and helped
by ant people who helped them. Were these legends based on fact? Did they go underground
for same reasons as at Darinkuyu? Shamans say they were brought here by star gods who
were from outer space. See their rock paintings with big-eyed figures. Are they lizard-like
and ant-like extraterrestrials? Could some of them still be living there? Well, Apaches have
stories about aliens who resemble the Hopi legendary lizard and ant peoples. Archuleta
Mesa: people say they have seen UFOs flying out of it. (see: Wikipedia Dulce Base.) Has been
featured in UFO Hunters TV series. Obvious collaboration between US Military and the aliens.
We know this because there is too much black helicopter traffic. The Apache tribesmen
found vents, and groans were heard from them, giving credence to human vivisection stories.

Notes “Archuleta Mesa” and “Dulce Base” (named after Dulce, New Mexico) relate to the
same subject. There is a Wikipedia article titled “Dulce Base” that gives some background. A
good photograph of the area was posted to the Colorado Geological Survey site.1 . Stories
about this place seem to have begun after 1976 and generally concern aliens and their
activities, such as the strange evisceration of cattle,2 or the rumored alien/human base
within the mesa. However there is at least one report mentioning UFO sightings (giant
triangles) and even Bigfoot is mentioned.3

Archuleta Mesa. Colorado Geological Survey. (Visited on 2018). Photo
Archuleta Mesa and Its Aliens. Author: Lindsey H. Bright. The Curator. Feb. 18, 2013. url: http:
// bright/archuleta- mesa- and- its- aliens/ (visited on
Dulce, New Mexico Revisited -Mysteries Still Remain! Author: Norio Hayakawa. Mar. 28,
2007. url: (visited on 2018)

1.1.3 South America–The Metal Library
Are there such underground alien visitors? Some think the truth is in North America, but
others think the answer lies thousands of miles to the south, in Ecuador. There, Shuar4
natives protect their homeland and secrets.

Cave of Tayos (see Wikipedia: Cueva de los Tayos). Father Carlos Crespi (1891–1982), cited
by von Daniken, was given gifts by the Shuar in the form of elaborate carved artifacts,
often metallic, bearing symbols not associated with the Shuar. Stanley Hall from Scotland
in 1975 went to see the collection because of the von Daniken reports. Metallic tablet with
36 writings nobody could read. Hall had an expedition accompanied by Neil Armstrong,
the astronaut. They entered the cave via an Ecuadorian army entrance. The cave appeared
to have been excavated; there were large galleries that the expedition geologist couldn’t
explain. Funeral goods circa 1500 BC. But nothing like Crespi’s stuff. In 1991 they found
a guy who went to the cave in 1946, Petronio Jaramillo, via an underwater entrance. He
was very young at the time. He saw a book with writing and formulae unknown to him.
But Jaramillo died before he could show Hall the entrance. Then Hall died in 2008. His
daughter, Eileen Hall, wants to find it now. And Crespi’s collection “mysteriously” vanished
when he died in 1982. Did the Shuar take it back? [Many artifacts burned in fire in 1962,
a fact not mentioned after that misleading, rhetorical question.]
Phil Coppens (1971–2012) featured on the show. (See, Wikipedia: Philip Coppens (author)).
He wrote a pro-ancient-aliens book titled The Ancient Alien Question featuring a foreword by
von Daniken. (Note, Coppens speaks with apparent approval of Stan Grist,5 below.) Here’s
an expanded and probably better chronology from Coppens’ web page. (The page is out
of date.)
1. Petronio Jaramillo (c1929–1988) stated that he had entered the library in 1946, when
he was 17 years old. He was shown the location by an uncle, whose name has gone un-
recorded but who was known as “Blanquito Pelado” (a loving description of the man’s
appearance). He was apparently on friendly terms with the local Shuar population, who
invited him to see a secret in gratitude for the kindness and goodness he had shown to-
wards the tribe. Jaramillo never produced any physical evidence for his claims, which may
explain why he wanted to live in the shadows of this story. Hall did ask him why he never
took photographs. “He said that it would not prove anything.”
2. According to the author, Count Pino Turolla (1922–1984) contacted Jaramillo in the
1960s concerning the library, on the notion that it would confirm Cayce’s prophecy of a
Hall of Records.6 Wikipedia identifies Turolla as an explorer, inventor, author, and psychic.

Indigenous natives of Ecuador and Peru. See, Wikipedia
Grist’s primary web presence seems to be a page titled “The Wealthy Adventurer’s University” at
Edgar Cayce (1877-1945) seems to have had a vision or made a prophecy that the long-lost supposed
civilization of Atlantis left three identical “Halls of Records” with records of their civilization, which he
says was destroyed around 10,500 BC. You just know whenever Cayce’s name comes up that you’re in

The New York Times has an obituary of Turolla. Also see article about him at Atlantipedia.
How did Turolla know of the library? Someone’s sandbox in Wikipedia cites Jaramillo, but
with zero references.
3. Moricz arrived in Guayaquil in 1964.
4. Affidavit 8 July 1969 got him rights to finds. In 1969 Moricz went on an expedition
to the Tayos Cave.
5. In 1972 Moricz took von Daniken into a cave.
6. 1973 Von Daniken claims to have entered cave system. Janos Moricz.
7. In 1973 Der Spiegel interview, Moricz said he had been taken to [the cave] by someone
he would not identify. But Moricz denied he took von Daniken to the cave in question.
8. Hall’s expedition was 1976.
9. Moricz dies 1991.
10. Hall finally meets Jaramillo. Various people had tried to direct Hall towards Jaramillo
as early as 1975, but it took until 1991 before the two met.
11. Jaramillo and Hall realised that had it not been for Moricz, who focused attention on
the Cueva de los Tayos (which was not the actual location of the reported metal library),
the 1976 expedition could have resulted in the discovery of the century. From Jaramillo,
Hall was able to learn the true story of the Tayos library–which was not in the Cueva de
los Tayos at all! Jaramillo and Hall were going to have an expedition. But in 1995 Peru
bombed Ecuador; then in 1997 the Ecuadorian regime changed hands and Hall moved back
to Scotland; finally in 1998 Jaramillo was reported by his mother to have been “assassi-
nated.” In May 1998 Hall looked around with Jaramillo’s son but couldn’t find the rumored
underwater entrance.
How did Moricz know of the Metal Library? In 1973 he told Der Spiegel that someone whom
he would not identify showed it to him. But in 1969 he had gone to Tayos Cave, which
did not contain the library. Hall tried to locate the unnamed man, and determined it was
Jaramillo. But this was odd, because Jaramillo then took him to Tayos, which Jaramillo
knew was the wrong cave. Moricz died in February 1991, but Hall located Jaramillo in
September 1991. So there was really no way to confirm he was the guy.
Now it is reported by Stan Grist that (surprise, surprise) Jaramillo made it all up! See (1)
“2003 Newsletter Archive for... ‘Adventures Into the Unknown’.” The Wealthy Adventurer’s
University. Ref: (23 Jul 2003). See (2) “Metallic Library–Tayos Cave”. The
Wealthy Adventurer’s University. Ref: (undated). Jaramillo was going to
write a novel, and then fooled Moricz with the story. Supposedly Pino Turolla wasn’t fooled.
Grist’s page says to see Turolla’s book. Also, “The late Stan Hall clearly describes in his
book, Tayos Gold, how Juan Moricz basically stole the entire Tayos Cave story from Petronio
and then made it all out to be his own, non-fictional discovery.” See, Stan Hall. Tayos Gold:
The Archives of Atlantis. Adventures Unlimited Press. 2007. ISBN: 978-1931882675. See also,
“The Odyssey of Stan Hall (1936-2008)”. The Tayos Gold Library.
Next, Stan Hall dies and his daughter takes up the torch. She doesn’t find the cave, but

for a wild ride.

Ancient Aliens says she found pottery with elongated heads that look uncannily like Egyptian
stuff. Narrator: did Egyptian culture cross to influence South America? –Or were both
influenced by aliens?

Update I appended some additional references which shed a bit more light on these

1.1.4 Central America: Mayan Caves

Here follows a rough summary of the narration of this segment. About 700 miles north, the
Mayan caves. . . In 2007 cenope legends of Tahzibichan underground temple in caves. They
tossed out the name Guillermo de Anda, a legitimate archaeologist.7 Why here? Mayan
legend of underground world, featured in Popol Vuh. (A “cultural narrative that recounts
the mythology and history of the K’iche’ people who inhabit the Guatemalan Highlands
northwest of present-day Guatemala City.”–see, Wikipedia.) Xibalba, underground kingdom,
ruled by evil lord of dead, and entrance through series of torture chambers. Many rooms
vaguely can be construed to resemble things described in legend. Of course they deny they
constructed it based on legend. So, if it was real, who were the therefore real lords of the
dead? Road to stars descended from sky and a number of beings descended. So could they
have been extraterrestrials? Why were they torturers? Well, we didn’t naturally torture;
the aliens taught us.

1.1.5 Poles and the Hollow Earth

There are those who believe the secrets, the answer, lies even deeper, perhaps as deep as
the earth’s core! Cut to the North Pole. Gets to 90 below. 30 miles of crust. Then molten
crust, and metallic crust the size of the moon. But nobody has ever seen them. But could
the north pole be hiding a gateway? Hollow Earth theorists say yes. There’s an inner sun.
Hollow Earth idea “scientific basis” dates back to Haley of comet fame. He thought this
because the magnetic field moved every year, which “could” be explained by concentric
spheres. Symmes then got the idea of an opening at the poles. Then 1864 Jules Verne
novel Journey to the Center of the Earth gave it a popularity. Verne thought interior had surviving
dinosaurs; others think advanced aliens are whats there. Adm. Byrd flew over the poles; but
Hollow Earth people felt he went further, into the interior, his plane brought in via tractor
beam. They are the planets guardians, and said they didn’t approve of our use of nukes.
Washington hid his report. Secret Diary published in 1990s supposedly gives the story.
The show notes, in an effort to be fair, “But. . . others say its a forgery.” Here’s a typical
pitch: “Did Admiral Richard Byrd really find a Valley near the North Pole in 1947 that was
green with follage [sic], had rivers and animal life?” See “Secret Diary of Adm. Byrd. Fact
Underwater Archaeologist: Dr. Guillermo de Anda. National Geographic Society. July 10, 2012. url:
https : / / www . nationalgeographic . org / news / real - world - geography - guillermo - de - anda/
(visited on 2018)

or Fiction?" 8 But. . . at time he supposedly visited north pole entrance, he was actually
in exercise at South Pole. But. . . perhaps this was just a cover story. . .

1.2 UFO Files: Alien Encounters: 2006

Case 1
April 6, 2001, Mount Plymouth, Michigan.9 Woman drives down the road and she sees a
white basketball size object approaching rapidly, pinwheel configuration, like it’s rotating
Narration: Phyllis Budinger, Analytical Chemist, and Ted Phillips, Director, Center for
Physical Trace Research. The thing impacts the passenger side roof and keeps on going.
They found a trail of yellowish residue on red paint. This is “trace evidence.” Trace evidence
like this is like the fingerprints of UFOs. Another example: the burnt circle growth ring
surrounding vegetation that doesn’t grow any more. Narration: Stanton Friedman, Nuclear
Physicist, Lecturer. Yellowish residue is later described as a tan residue, and Budinger
analysed it. Some unidentifiable metal oxide and a celluloidal material–a material related
to plants. “Probably natural origin,” says Budinger. Narrator: this natural material may
be a clue to the object’s origin. Phillips: it was most likely submerged in a farm pond a
short time before impacting the vehicle.
Phyllis Budinger is described in Wikipedia as a ‘research scientist’. Her LinkedIn page self-
describes her as a ‘Research Scientist at Standard Oil of Ohio [and at BP]’. MUFON10 sells
her book, UFOs–A Search for Physical Evidence: Abductions about the Betty Hill and Stan Romanek abductions,
where she shows that “something unusual” happened to these people. Budinger seems to
be legitimate: see her negative findings in her statement at “Scientist Phyllis Budinger Says
Her Analysis of Brazil Bedsheets Does Not Support Anything Unusual” (2003).
Consideration of trace evidence in UFO cases is attributed to the work of J. Allen Hynek
(Josef Allen Hynek) (1910-1986). Wikipedia describes him as Ph.D. (Astrophysics) Yerkes
Observatory. Prof. Physics and Astronomy, Ohio State. Prof. & Chmn., Dept. of Astronomy,
Northwestern. Ted Phillips is described by the show as Hynek’s friend.
A search engine description for an item relating to Phillips reads as follows: “Center for
Physical Trace Research, Ted Phillips Website. The Center for Physical Trace Research
was established June 1, 1998 by Ted Phillips to provide a central repository for the receipt,
study, and distribution of UFO landing events involving physical residue.” The site itself11
barely mentions Phillips and gives no description of his background. I was unable to locate

The Missing Secret Diary of Admiral Byrd: Fact or Fiction. The Hollow Earth Insider. 2002. url: (visited on 2018)
I can’t find a Mount Plymouth, Michigan, although there is a Plymouth. Maybe I copied it down wrong?
Also, I can find no reference to this incident on the web.
Originally “Midwestern UFO Networki” and now “Mutual UFO Network.” Web presence at
UFO Evidence. url:
(visited on 2018)

any mention of this case on the site.
Case 2
Lonnie Zamora (1933-2009) (see, Wikipedia: “Lonnie Zamora incident”) heard a noise. Of-
ficer Ken W. Storch12 describes this incident. Zamora thinks someone blew up a shack. He
sees an egg-shaped object with two child sized figures standing next to it. Then it took off.
The Air Force collected evidence.
Case 3
Delphos. Rural Kansas. Woman’s photograph “changes everything.” November 2, 1971.
Ronnie Johnson, 16, starts chores. He hears a noise which sounded like a large, out of
balance washing machine. Area lit up. Hovering 5 feet above the ground was an object
about 8 feet in diameter, top 10 feet above the ground, glowing multi colors. Brightness,
sound, and glow at base all increase.
John Schussler (one of the founders of MUFON, now headquartered in Cincinnati, Ohio)
briefly speaks.
Ronnie gets his parents. They see the object too. They go to where it was said to hover
and see luminescence on the ground and on nearby trees. Mom brings out the Polaroid
and there is only 1 exposure left. Irma, mom, took it. “This is the only photo I’ve ever seen
taken within ten minutes of takeoff,” says someone. They touch a substance on the ground.
Mom’s fingers go numb. She touches her leg, and her leg becomes numb too. Searched
for more evidence. A tree that had been upright the day before was down. Ralph Enrow,
sheriff, investigates next day and sees a broken tree limb. Also finds mysterious residue:
inside the ring there was a pure white crust. He bottles soil samples and locks them in his
Then Hynek hears about it and sends Ted Phillips to investigate. Phillips, as noted above,
is Director of Center for Physical Trace Research (CPTR) established 1998. He had a web
site. One internet bio describes him as follows: “Ted R. Phillips . . . began investigating
UFO reports in 1964 and was a research associate of Dr. Allen Hynek from 1968 until
Dr. Hynek’s death in 1986. It was at Allen Hynek’s suggestion that he began specializing
in physical traces associated with UFO sightings in 1968. Ted has personally investigated
some 600 UFO cases.” It’s unclear what Phillips’ background really is. A biographical
note from Phillips himself says “Ted is an engineer, professional photographer, professional
musician.” What kind of engineer, what degree, from where, and what work experience?
Was his research associate activity with Dr. Hynek a paid position? Elsewhere we learn
“Ted Phillips was born in 1942 and has lived all his life in Missouri.” Evidently Phillips
has a database of UFO appearances. The database seems to have been published in 1975
as Physical Traces Associated with UFO Sightings, A Preliminary Catalogue.
They took Philips out to the site 32 days after the incident. In a mud bog and there
was a ring of unmelted snow covering just the ring. The ring is hydrophobic. Something
has affected the soil. The episode doesn’t mention it, but Phillips wrote a book about

(Wikipedia: UFO Files, where Storch is listed as one of the “scientists and experts” and described as a
“police officer, UFO investigator, radio talk-show host.”)

the case: Delphos: A close encounter of the second kind (Fairfax, VA: UFO Research Coalition. 2002.
ISBN: 978-1928957010). Phillips tells us this crust is significant because in a number of
cases UFOs change the soil. Phillips approaches it “like a crime scene investigator.” Storch
amplifies what a crime scene investigation is. Phillips photographed it and measured it. He
scrutinized Mrs. Johnson’s photo and tried to re-create it with no success. He brings 40 lbs
of soil and a hundred photos. What was in the samples?
Budinger, the chemist, shook it up and the water turned red. Traces cases might be
the key to solving the UFO “enigma”. Hynek asked scientists about soil. They said it was
really different/changed. (No further elaboration of this point.) Twenty years later Phillips
asks Budinger’s help. Her specialty is spectroscopy. She’s in Chagrin Falls, Ohio. Surprised
that the soil is still hydrophobic after 30 years. In 2006 she re-creates test and its still
hydrophobic. She notes water changed color, so something was extracted. After 10 years
no plant growth there. Budinger said organic material, fulvic acid, on ground. The concen-
tration was not a natural concentration, so it can’t be explained by plant decomposition.
Also found high levels of oxalic acid, which probably caused numbing that lasted rest of
Mrs. Johnson’s life. So what is the connection with the glowing? Budinger says propulsion
system created ionic field which was somehow the cause. Note: some photographs and
further elaboration on this case at “Case 192" Ref: (undated) Next, we are
hooked with the assertion that three years later in Missouri there was a new case that
caused “widespread panic.” [Cato incident, Case 5 below] But first we are to consider the
Case 4
September 1, 1974 Langenberg, Sask., Canada. Edward Fuhr sees metallic object, flat on
bottom, domed on top, 15 feet away, emitting no sound, rotating at high rate, a foot above
the ground. There is a wide belt at its base and grooves at its side. He gets back on his
tractor and sees four more, equidistant from each other. The ground under the object spun
in a spiral and plants were knocked down over each. A few minutes later they ascended
vertically one after another. Under each object was a vent-like extension, out of which came
a six foot long plume of gray material. Constable Ron Morier of the RCMP hears about it
and investigates. He finds grass compressed in rings 8-11 feet in diameter.
The episode doesn’t mention it, but supposedly the UFOs returned 15 years later. I
can’t find a web reference verifying this. Source: Amazon customer reviews for UFO Files
Alien Encounters, which gives a source of Star-Phoenix (Thurs. Oct. 26, 1989). See, Unidentified
in Saskatchewan 1989 and in particular the story at Star Phoenix report by Dave Yanko.
It was Fuhr’s opinion, based on reported UFO sightings at the time that the UFOs had
returned. Fuhr didn’t witness this bunch.
Case 5
October 8, 1978, Cato, Missouri. This might actually have happened near Jenkins, Mis-
souri.13 A grandmother and grandson (never named) see an oval something in a field 185

1978 - UFO Lands on Farm in Missouri. Oct. 1, 2006. url: http : / / www . (visited on 2018)

feet from house. A fairly recent photo of this location is available.14 (The re-enactment
appears to be taking place not in Missouri, but probably California.) She called her hus-
band; he called his son. The object wasn’t doing anything. They thought it was a piece
of metal blown in from a storm. When dad started the tractor, the object leapt 10 feet in
the air. It was about 4 feet in diameter. It ascended, rotated, turned to right across wind
(the fact that it turned across the wind was spoken of as if it were a very significant fact,
but then the fact was not followed up on), then it turned left across the wind, and finally
merged with a much larger cylindrical shaped UFO up in the sky. Looking around, they
found a 4 foot area of dehydrated plants, already turning brown. A photo was taken a
few minutes later. This proved to Phillips that something unexplained took place. It’s not
clear, however, that Phillips actually went there. Can’t locate any other discussions of this
incident on the web.
Case 6
Val Johnson incident. There is a Wikipedia article about this. Here an object leaves trace
evidence and nearly kills a deputy sheriff. On 27 August 1979 in Warren, MN at 2 am
a deputy sees a light in the distance and thinks maybe a plane is making an emergency
landing, so he turns to see if he can help. Light is already there and it hits him.
Sheriff Maurstad sees Val Johnson in the car. Didn’t know what happened. Considerable
damage to his Ford LTD. Busted headlight. No deer hair. On the hood a round dent.
Windshield busted, cracked but no evidence of a rock. One of lenses on roof lights is broken.
And the antenna is bent. He was found to have “welders burn” to his eyes, presumably from
the bright light from the UFO. His watch and car clock stopped for 14 minutes.
The car is now on display at a local museum. Phillips goes to see it. Sheriff Maurstad
shows it to him. Maurstad says that the windshield was forced in and pulled out again.
Jim Duckstad, current deputy, believes the story. Johnson seems to now be gone, but he
was said to have been held in high regard. (Note: this incident actually has some news
coverage.) So Phillips has reopened his investigation of this incident.
Stanton T. Friedman (b. 1934) opines that this evidence is very important. Wikipedia de-
scribes him as the first civilian investigator of the Roswell incident. Roswell was 1947;
Friedman got his B.S. in 1955. From 1956–1970 he worked for 6 different employers. Wikipedia
is silent about his activities between 1970 and until the late 1990s, by which time he was
apparently a full-time ufologist living off his writing.

One wonders why there is no significant follow-up with the witnesses to these events.
The primary witness to the Delphos, Kansas incident, Ronnie Johnson, had a further

The 1978 Cato Missouri UFO Sightings Encounter Location. Apr. 24, 2017. url: http://
location (visited on 2018)

strange interaction, one with a wolf-girl. 15 16 I have been unable to locate any recent direct
interviews of Johnson either regarding the UFO incident or the Wolf Girl incident.

1.3 UFO Hunters: Area 52

The theme of this is reverse engineering of extraterrestrial craft. Area 51 as a reverse
engineering site was exposed so they probably had to move, but where? Dugway: it is
really big and really secret. They have upgraded it so the shuttle can land there. They
have contractors working there and they work on black budget projects.
Who might know what really goes on here? They interview a guy who retired 1983 as
a captain in security there. An old guy whose name seems to be Bush Faux. The only
web confirmation of this man is in a transcript of the show: “UFO Hunters–Area 52”.
Ref: Ark TV. He saw 4 lights in 1970s–UFOs! He told the provost marshal, who said he
would investigate, but he died shortly afterwards after. His death was premature and it’s
downright suspicious. Ken Storch and Bob have been here eight times. Someone told him
it was “the new area 51.” Helicopter gunship came over them and rocked their RV. They
were under surveillance all the time they were there. Convoy of 80 humvees disappeared
into the earth. But underground facilities not surprising. While we view the show, an SUV
with flashing lights drives up.
They conducted their interview on what they say they thought to be public land. Base
police officer drives up. He says they are on Dugway grounds and that if they take pictures
of. . . something. . . they will confiscate everything. Public Affairs Officer Paula Nicholson
appears. She won’t identify which contractors work here. Narrator notes that experiments
may actually originate with contractors. They want to know why Dugway wants more land.
She says they aren’t trying to expand. Regarding contractors, Narrator says of course
they’d give reverse engineering work to contractors because contractors do not have to
answer Freedom of Information Act (FOI) requests. She says to her knowledge there is no
UFO stuff here. The Narrator says this shows other people have been asking about it too,
and that is probably why they are trying to expand Dugway, which she just denied. So
they go to where Dugway wants to expand and take a look-see.
Next witness. Lee Davidson, award winning journalist with Deseret News (He won the
awards in 1995 for reporting on Cold War testing.) will tell them about the pattern of
secrecy. Lee says yeah, lots of secret stuff went on there they didn’t want the world to know
about during WW2 and during the cold war. But recently FOI requests have exposed some
stuff, like when they used 7th Day Adventist volunteers as human guinea pigs in WW2.
Someone makes an offhand reference to this as if it were some kind of war crime.
That Grow a Beard Abe! Town. url:
story/15460 (visited on 2018)
The Delphos Wolf Girl – A Possible UFO Connection? Brian Haughton. 2003. url: http : / / www . mysteriouspeople . com / Delphos _ girl2 . htm (visited on

More on the supposed desired expansion: even though the Public Affairs Officer denied
it, a local congressman told the producers that the Army wants to push back all the
people showing up because of the allegations of a UFO connection. Of course, there is a
straightforward justification: contamination they don’t want to clean up. Anyhow, with
the expansion that they already have, they can fly in and out.
People say they see a lot of strange things, such as trucks with covers that may be
covering what witnesses think are UFOs or their components. OK, says the cast, we need
to find out the truth. Witnesses are telling us ‘compelling’ stories. But there is a problem:
they get followed all the time they go looking because vehicles kick up dust and alert base
security to their presence. They need to come up with a plan for “stealth.” Cut to them on
We know corporations are here. Which ones? What are they doing? They go biking
around. “Maybe they’ll see some craft.” They examine what’s on the airfield. They see
some kind of demolished vehicle. On the airfield itself nothing is happening. Is there any
signage identifying the contractors, or corporate activity? No, sorry, nothing. It’s eerie
being out here, says someone. If the government wanted to hide something, this would be
the perfect place.
Now we’ll hear about something that happened on the west side from a police officer,
Bob Ward.17 Bob: in 2004 around midnight got a request to help a stuck resident. Looked
up and saw saucer shaped craft with 6 lights about 80 feet going 5-10 mph flying not far
overhead. (Not three lights like a “black triangle”?) He shined a spotlight on it, and it
came back. Went back over Ibapah peak, and then two F-16s from the direction of Nevada
headed after it. They clearly weren’t an escort since they weren’t flying with it and at the
same speed: they were in pursuit. So this is clearly not our craft. Clearly looking at flight
characteristics that are not conventional. So it was either a UFO or our re-construction of
one (in which case, why the pursuit). Bob didn’t discuss it at the time for fear of how his
fellow police would view him. In the same area he found two decapitated horses.
Bob not only saw a UFO, he also saw 2 decapitated horses, laying as if they were placed
there, and he found no trace of blood from either animal. Query how the heads were sliced
clean off so neatly. Could Dugway have been testing a laser weapon? Note that the eyes
were gone as were the horses’ lips. Strange mutilations. (I notice that Bob, who is said to
be retired from the police, appears on the show wearing a hat labeled “Police.”)
Lets speak to another witness, someone who knows something about advanced laser
technology here at Dugway. That would be Dave Rosenfeld, a Utah UFO-logist.18 What
has he seen?
Michael Army Airfield. We need to go somewhere on ATVs. UTTR (Utah Test and
Training Range), which is run by the Air Force. The AF and the Army are all in cahoots

On, a Bob Ward is listed as a top member of The Utah UFO Hunters group.
Also listed on as a top member. Whether he is “alien Dave” is unclear.

as we know. (A sign says “Utah bombing and gunnery range.”) His story: We were parked
here at 1 am. We saw a huge flashing light in distance, and then a light beam from the
middle for about 4 mins. He guesses the light beam was as wide as a car. Smell of ozone.
“That’s huge for a laser.” In a thunderstorm lightning results in that smell, so the beam
must have been millions of watts. Someone explains: Maser creates a hole, then a laser
punches through. Also saw four blue lights which switched off when the beam did. Was
this an anti-satellite weapon, such as they have been working on for years, or maybe anti-
UFO weapon?
Dave Rosenfeld has seen things anything but normal. He once saw two jets, but then
one disappeared. What’s this, invisibility technology? Also, in 2004 he saw a dust trail but
no vehicle. Definitely not a dust-devil. Popular Mechanics reported that this is the new Area
51, and then security ramped up. He believes it.
The shill skeptic props up a few straw men for Bill to burn down: I don’t think the
evidence supports theory. The security is obviously justified by a rational explanation.
Yeah says Bill. Look at the huge beam, Bob Ward, attempted expansion. Skeptic: private
contractors enjoying unparalleled secrecy. Bill: Private contractors are reversing UFO tech.
Top secret black ops military aircraft are what people are seeing. Bill: We’ve debunked the
debunkers. The truth is so frightening that of course the government will go to any lengths
to cover it up.

1.4 UFO Hunters: Giant Triangles

Dramatis personae: The Team: Pat Uskert, Kevin Cook, Bill Birnes.
Guests: Mark and Jed, Mark Olson,19 Terrence Masson, Marvin Taylor, Georgio Tsuka-
los, Mike Daciek, Gordon Scott, Brick Price.
Witness 1: Kevin; occupation “engineer” invites us to take his account more seriously. He
saw something; and the location of his observation draws us into the whole notion of a UFO
hot spot where triangles are spotted, somewhere in California. Normal supposed skeptic
Kevin was with someone who videotaped one. Documents, witnesses, videos promised.
Don’t recall seeing many documents, the video all sucked, and as for the witnesses. . .
All over the world people have been seeing giant triangles: Belgium, Phoenix, Arizona,
and an area of California known, at least to the producers of the show, as “triangle alley.”
What was seen: three lights in formation, flying slowly. They talk to Mark & Jed, two
“sky-watchers.” On June 15, 2004 they videoed such a sighting, and their buddy was there,
but he was late getting his cam rolling. I think this is normally-skeptical guy who says
he saw it. The lights were equidistant. There are no nearby military bases, so it wasn’t a
military aircraft. It was daytime footage and we are told “that’s incredibly rare.” It was
also crappy footage, and that isn’t rare.
An entry dated December 4, 2004 on says, “Dr. Mark Olson of Sonora, California
not only has a long history of contact in his life and that of his family, he has made a convincing DVD
of UFOs that appear in his area.”

Mark Olson video. Similar to 1989 Belgium video: 3 lights in a triangular pattern. The
Belgian video showed an object holding the lights together (i.e. they were light fixtures
mounted on some kind of craft). For more analysis, they visit Terrence Masson, who will
stabilize the lights. Masson says they’re definitely locked in place. Setting up a straw horse,
they ask if it could have been a helicopter? No, he says, adding that there is laundry list of
things that show this isn’t a conventional aircraft. Is his expertise in photo enhancement
or what exactly? He says that there is “clearly some evidence of structure behind the
lights”, so the query is thrown out, could it have been a black triangle? Best guess of their
expert: single dark craft with three lights or propulsion not consistent with any known
craft. Sonoma to Mt. Shasta is “triangle alley.” Now cue Pat Uskert.20 In an interview he
says he had what “he believed was” a UFO sighting.
They will spend the night to see if they see anything. Location: 38d 7m 52s North, 120d
5m 45.7s West.
Hook: do you see white/red light? are we onto something?
Back to the show. The whole night out camping was a frolic and detour and they come
up with exactly nothing.
Next they talk to Marvin Taylor. According to the Modesto Bee, 20 October 1988 Taylor
(b. circa 1936) operated a UFO library and museum in Sonora, and has been researching the
subject for 40 years (c. 1948), ever since seeing a flying saucer hover over his childhood home
in Oakland. Northern California director of MUFON (Mutual UFO Network) which served
as technical advisers to Spielberg in Close Encounters. Multiple objects multiple witnesses and
what they can do is amazing.
Some guy with a big database of sightings. Is this Taylor? I missed a bit of the transition.
Anyhow it is pointed out that Tonopah and Area 51 very close by. Over 60 sightings since
the year 2000 in Triangle Alley. Bill suggestively talks about how many must have been
missed. There was a 1986 sighting, which was before the B2 (so we know it wasn’t that).
It was huge, hovering, and observed for over half hour.
That’s the pattern: hover silently in the sky then shoot off at tremendous speed. Pay
attention to that, because later they try to make a case that these things are somehow
gliders that require minimal propulsion.
History: these sightings may have begun as long ago as strange airship sightings in
1896/7 in SF. Now he points out it’s gold country. Maybe they’re after gold! Bill: gold has
a high conductivity. We should be looking at what’s attracting the UFOs. So they go to a
working gold mine near where Olson made his sightings. They’re going to look for radiation
and magnetism that might be attracting UFOs. Or is it that they’re looking for radiation
and magnetic changes wrought by visiting UFOs. The rationale seems to change. Anyhow,
they brought a magnetometer and geiger counter. So they go into the mine. There is no
explanation why inside the mine would be a better place to look for magnetic anomalies

Per History Channel, his credentials are that he saw a UFO in 2004 and has been looking for answers
ever since. Wikipedia says he is a scuba diver on William Birnes’s “team” on the TV series UFO Hunters.

that aliens would be scanning for from the air, or to look for radiation that would be the
tell-tale of an alien landing.
Now we hear from Georgio Tsoukalos.21 He shows Bill an artifact he found in [Columbia?].
Looks like a fighter jet and it’s pre-Columbian. Tsukalos says that archaeologists think
they’re probably stylized birds, but from his background in biology [?] he knows this can’t
be, because the wings on this ornament are not where birds have wings, and it has an
upright tail fin in contrast to birds, which have horizontal tail fins. How 1500 years ago
would they understand it? Answer: because they saw something. So they wrote, and made
models so their descendants wouldn’t forget. Bill: Either aliens came, or someone was time
traveling. . . . (This out of sequence cut will really be explored in the last segment.)
Antoinette Crain. . . sound bites. Lost track of who she is. She doesn’t readily pop-up
on Google either. Evidently pretty minor.
Are they mining gold here to use as a conductor? Aliens in search of gold! Eh, when were
they looking. Most California gold has petered out. Why wouldn’t the aliens go to Alaska
too? Or to Nevada where there actually is gold. Or South Africa. Should find radiation
because thats been found at UFO sightings. As I said, they go into the mine. It’s pointed out
that standard radiation count is 15 counts per minute. Lo and behold no unusual radiation,
but they don’t give us the count. They explain that UFOs are reportedly attracted to high
levels of magnetism. No unusual magnetism either. Pat says some people say UFOs are
attracted to high levels of various minerals and metals. Anyhow, this is all a wild goose
Back to the Greek and his carvings. Legend has it these kind of craft were flown by an-
cient astronauts. Bill thinks indigenous peoples were visited by ancient astronauts seeding
culture. Maybe time travelers. Seeding the past. No explanation why they would need to
go back. Couldn’t modern aliens seed culture as well? When the shill/skeptic objects to
time travel and asks for proof, Bill says it happened 20 years ago “it’s totally documented”
that an army officer traveled into the future. Ok, skeptic admits the trinket is suggestive.
For him to become a believer he says, let’s make a model and see if it flies.
But first we get to see the next witness, Mike Daciek. He doesn’t turn up on a cursory
web search. See Transcript: UFO Hunters–Giant Triangles He is said to be a retired pilot of 40
years experience from Texas who saw something he couldn’t identify May 18, 1996. We
are reminded that pilots are professionals trained to observe, so their testimony deserves
special credence. Daciek saw the triangularly configured lights. What he saw was really
fast–faster than a SR71–so it definitely wasn’t one of those. Perhaps it was some other
military aircraft. No, it was not the silhouette of any plane he was trained to identify. His
opinion: I saw something very unusual, and now I believe it was aliens.
I thought perhaps Tsukalos was a biologist (because he seems to claim a background in biology at one
point in the show), or that at least he had some kind of scientific background, but no! Wikipedia says
Giorgio A. Tsoukalos is “a Swiss-born Greek writer, television presenter, and proponent of the idea that
ancient astronauts interacted with ancient humans.”

Gordon Scott. Witness from TX. Where did he come from? Nothing turns up on cursory
web search. We’re told the producers got hundreds of emails when they started investiga-
tion. Ok so they what, made the show, people saw it, responded, and they revised it? Or
they put an ad in the paper? How they got Scott in a timeline that resulted in him being
on the show is unclear. Anyhow on August 15, 2001 Scott ran out and saw it approach-
ing. Bright red light. Could have hit it with softball it was so low. No noise, no breeze,
no scent. These are characteristics of a black triangle. Moving horizontally and abruptly
vertically. To my knowledge, says someone, we have nothing that can do this. Then he saw
an F16. Some kind of military activity. The F16 was not chasing the black triangle; rather,
it seemed like an escort. They flew off to the south. South of his home is Johnson Space
Center in TX. Bill: Was it a hybrid we built with extraterrestrial technology? Skeptic ob-
jects to the idea of alien-military collaboration. Bill responds that it’s been going on since
WW2. Skeptic asks what proof do we have of this kind of collaboration? Bill: what Gordon
Scott saw.
Next we are taken to Brick Price in L.A., a special effects artist.22 He made an “exact
scale model” of the object that the Georgio gave Bill. Price “believes” it will fly. (Are we
supposed to believe that he hasn’t tested it yet?) He says that the body has a shape like a
lifting body. So it is optimized as a glider made to fly with minimal propulsion. (The thing
has a really fat body; and it’s supposed to glide with minimal propulsion but be faster
than a speeding SR71.) The skeptic concedes that if the model does indeed fly, then it is
possible that the natives of 1,500 years ago had knowledge of extraterrestrial craft.
We’re back. We’re reminded that if the model flies, it is proof that alien visitations have
been taking place for thousands of years. Ancient civilizations may have had knowledge
of aerodynamics, flying machines, and maybe aliens. Of course the model flies. So there
is indeed proof of ancient flying triangles. Darn! It dropped its tail and settled down and
looked just like the space shuttle landing. How could 1,500 years ago natives have figured
this out? Bill again proposes time travel! Of course there is no theory preventing the
existence of advanced aliens 1,500 years ago giving up their secrets. Skeptic says its just a
model of a toy. It shows nothing. Bill just laughs.

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