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ON THE OTHER HAND The organs are the best I have heard from any all-in-one workstation device. Miles better thant the Fantoms, Junos,
Motifs etc... far more real and intuitive. But VB3 trounces it. Pianos are up there with Alicia's Keys and have good
editable decisions.
SYNTHESISER - What SYNTHESISER?
The FA 06 and 08 have a section called Supernatural Synthesiser. This is of course a contradiction in terms, but lets not
get too pedantic. Strangely enough,the words SEQUENCER, ARP/RHYTHM, SAMPLER all appear in capital letters on
the front panel, and the word SYNTHESISER does not. How odd, because the synth section is really good. Although it
requires a whole load of peering at a tiny screen that should be touch responsive and selecting virtual pots and pushing
them up and down with increment buttons, it's actually quite good... essentially a 3 oscillator synth with VCF, VCA,
ADSR, EG etc. NOISE is available as an alternative to using one of the oscillators... rather than being a separate source.
Waves include the standard set of Saw, Triangle, Sine, Square and Pulse and as well as this you can use one of the huge
library of PCM tones instead of the oscillators... There's a RING MOD switch (haven't had time yet) and I haven't
managed to do Oscillator sync yet, although those sounds are not in my usual repertoire so I won't be exploring that too
far. Anyways, if you have an hour and very good eyesight you can build up a really great sound that you could have got
in 10 seconds on a Minimoog. But it IS yours to keep for ever and ever....
SAMPLER
the SAMPLER section is one of the machine's biggest (but not THE biggest ) rip-offs. This sampler is very very poor.
Not at making samples which it does as well as any iPhone, but the way it implements them. It's essentially designed to
work with the PADS as some kind of hybrid DJ tool for spinning samples and beats into a piece. To ME this is NOT
what is meant by a sampler. When something sells itself to me as a "Sampler" I'm expecting a device where I can build
up a composite sample of, say, a Mellotron, map the samples to the keys, use effects on them, use them as sounds within
other patches etc. FORGET THAT. The machine is able to load in four banks of 16 samples which are crudely editable
and loopable, but they are NOT mappable, therefore my mellotron requires one sample for every note, no stretching or
mapping is provided. This is more primitive than Roland's own MKS 100 which was released in the late 80s. The
manual totally fails to adequately explain how you get the keys to play the samples, but forums have let me know that
there is a switch in a pretty unlikely menu (STUDIO SET COMMON - GENERAL - PAD PART SELECT). Whichever
part you select then features the samples you put into memory starting at bottom C - note 36 and moving up a semitone
for each subsequent sample. The note you want to appear on note 36 MUST be in Sample bank ONE - slot (PAD) ONE.
Can't be anywhere else. The samples are only SAVED as part of a SONG - and as one full keyboard of an organ would
use all the sample memory slots (if not all the memory) therefore you would only be able to have one full sampled
instrument in memory at any one time. There is no function to save my four banks of sixteen as asingle file called
Mellotron - just a "song". Silly. I had a toy Casio thing that could sample and implement samples better than this. For DJ
work, these pads might be great as sample triggers, but this is NOT a comprehensive proper sampler. It's a toy.
THE AFTERTOUCH SCAM
The BIGGEST RIP OFF OF ALL, which is a product of supreme arrogance at Roland is AFTERTOUCH. Not everyone
is a user, but for me, Aftertouch is a wonderful device that allows me to control the speed of Leslies, vibrato, volume,
cutoff frequency and other parameters without having to take my hands off the keyboard. It's invention was potentially
the greatest development of the keyboard instrument since Bob Moog attached a synthesiser to one. The FIRST thing I
do when checking out a new keyboard is to download the manual and check the MIDI Spec chart at the end. And in the
FA manuals it shows that AFTERTOUCH is transmitted and recieved on ALL channels. Hence I decided to buy the
thing. And prebooked mine as I needed it for an up-coming tour. The manual was typically vague about aftertouch, but
did mention it a lot in my initial reads. When it arrived though, I couldn't work out how to switch it ON!!! A few letters
to varous forums later, the truth dawned on me. This keybed does NOT have Aftertouch at all - it has a fricking KNOB
that transmits the AFTERTOUCH command!!!!! Which means I have to take my hands off the keyboard (getting more
annoyed) which means that IT'S NOT FRICKING AFTER TOUCH THEN, IS IT???? That's the whole blooming point.
This is like saying that your hotel room has a hot tap and cold tap. But you need to go to the village pump if you want
water because the TAPS AREN'T CONNECTED to anything!!!
So just in case anyone is out there wondering THERE IS NO AFTERTOUCH on a Roland FA 06 even though it says
there IS in the manual. VERY very poor do!! A few Fanboys have scolded me for expecting too much on an 800 quid
keyboard. I have Full incremental aftertouch on an EMU Xboard which cost 150. Nonsense. I'd have paid more anyway.
I need it!!! I think the way they incorporate mentions of aftertouch into the manual is snide, misleading and verges on
dishonesty. Apologies are due.
The INTERNAL SOUND STRUCTURE
is next on my hit list. Like most workstations going back as far as the SY85 and maybe even M1, there is a setting where
16 sounds can be used as a "MULTI MODE" as Yamaha used to call it, and "STUDIO SET" as Roland are currently
referring to it. I use this function more or less all the time. To compare this with the Yamaha SY85 (1994) - the quality
of the sounds is a lot better... we've already dealt with that. The FA has also addressed to biggest problem of such
devices in that effects built for each individual patch ceased to function properly when incorporated into PerformanceStudio Set mode. Roland have nailed this completely, so if your Rhodes has a leslie effect on it as a standalone patch, it
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will still be there in the Studio Set. Hurrah! About time! But it's as though Roland have totally forgotten what we might
actually want to USE these studio sets FOR!! You see, each sound in the studio set has a "keyboard" in the video display
(a bit like mainstage) in which you can set zones, limits and stuff to build up a composite sound. But ONLY ONE
composite sound. Because the key limits etc only work if a little button (called the Keyboard button) is illuminated on
the part. So the ones where it's illuminated can be used to build up really quite marvellous composites. To explain the
problem, lets say I have a Piano/Bass Split on the FA. It sounds great. No problem. BUT if my dumb controller
keyboard just above it wants to play another sound that is split - like for example a velocity sensitive brass pad that
becomes a STAB when I hit it harder - well this can't be done. Well... not easily without having to pre program a PCM
tone specifically for this purpose. In order to get around this, I'm having to do all my zoning with the dreaded laptop
which I just can't seem to get rid of... The "keyboard button" is either ON or OFF, when it's off you CAN play those
channels, but the note limitations do not apply and you get a whole keyboard full of Bass and Piano, no split! How hard
can this have been to program properly? maybe an upgrade... probably not!
ON THE OTHER HAND,,,,
The studio set architecture can do some surprisingly good stuff too. For example, I;ve built up a huge composite where
an acoustic jazz bass and brushes kit can be played in the left hand, and a huge combination of SELECTABLE different
instruments can be played in the right. this is by using the pads in Keyboard Switch on/off mode. So I can start off with a
piano "trio", add some vibes a few bars later, bring in a Hammoind for the chorus, fade it out using the expression pedal
on a long chord, replace it with a Rhodes, enable the strings and fade them in with the expression pedal, switch in a
distorted clav on the left hand, switch off the acoustic bass and replce it with an electric thumper - all as part of one, real,
live performance that requires no backing track at all. It's quite certainly the best device at doing this I've ever played,
and is worth the ticket price alone. Superb, in the extreme.
THE PEDALS.
Roland seem to have a dreadful FEAR on my behalf. That I may run out of notes... Therefore, in this and previous
workstations they have built a safety feature which cannot be switched off, unless you know otherwise. There are
THREE pedal inputs, all of which suffer from the same thing.
So here's a little scenario which illustrates the problem. Lets say I play a really nice motion strings pad, hold the pedal
down and sustain it indefinitely. Lovely. Now, i can switch to another part and play a nice soft synth lead over it. Very
nice. Trouble is, this can't be done.. (it can but not by the FA on its own) Roland have made the machine so as soon as
you select another part (using the pads in part select mode) the sustain you applied to the strings pad is cancelled!!!!
Ludicrous! Even when connected as master to another keyboard, the FA transmits a PEDAL OFF command via midi the
second you change part! Similarly, lets say you are using an organ sound and have used the expression pedal to turn it
down... you flick to another part while holding down a chord on the organ.... and the FA kindly transmits an Expression
command of 127, promptly bouncing the organ up to full volume!!! And I can't find a bypass in the OS for this! The
manual doesn't even mention it. I have developed workarounds for BOTH these pedal problems, the first being to use
the pedals from another keyboard beciuse these resets are only generated if the original command was from the FAs own
ports. Using the FA as a slave, if I'm playing a hammond sound and using a pedal to cotrol leslie speed, if I change the
FA's patch, then the leslie reverts to slow speed!!. These mandatory resets are spoiling the experience and are really
unnecessary but could at the very least be optional. Remember they are ACTIVE off commands.. someone has
programmed them to do it, and they aren't needed and are obstructive in more complex systems.
THE SEQUENCER.....
Well... it's not gonna be a thing for me... onstage I'm a live musician with no backing tracks. At home I have a dedicated
Cubase 7 system with a super processor and terrabytes of disk space and 2 massive hi res monitors. I'm not really gonna
want to peer at a 4 inch wide screen to do my sequencing. Occasionally in the past I have used some inbuilt sequencer to
cobble an idea together while "on the road" but now I have a laptop to do that with... not worth the eyestrain to use this.
Also, for some reason, Roland decided not to let you record Audio on this thing which is odd because you could on the
Juno G machine a few years back and that was a lower order of life financially. There is a frig you can do where you
record your audio as samples and fly them into your sequence - but that's like going back to the very first PC programs
like Samplitude and Procyon where you had a sampler that played in time with a midi sequencer... unreliable at best.
DAW Control...
Roland have made great play of this in their bumph. It's at best, a nice little extra. Well, this is useful onstage for sorting
a couple of things out without having to turn 90 degrees to my left, but it's not exactly amazing stuff. In my studio I find
all remote control devices to be a hinderance, however simple or complex, I can always work faster with the keyboard
and mouse of the computer. In my many years of experience with DAWS, (Steinberg Pro-24 is where I came in) the
more you try to make them like old school recording interfaces, the slower it all gets. Sure, you can get 8 pads on the FA
to do 8 different functions on the computer. Whoopee. 8. You need to program up what those 8 buttons do, you think
"fantastic" and then you just carry on using the keyboard key commands and the mouse 'cos it's faster and you don't have
to remember what you programmed into those 8 options and in what order. Why we need fast forward and fast rewind
buttons eludes me.... there's no TAPE!!! Just GO to the place you wanna go from! So you can program 8 "GOTO"
functions into the FA pads... but what happens when you write songs with 12 sections in?
ERGONOMICS
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Lastly, the golden area on the control panel where both hands have easiest access to (i.e the middle) is occupied by a TV
screen that we don't need to touch all that much. I know it looks right to have a screen in the middle, but those Part
Change Pads are a long way across for my left hand to reach when my right hand is busy playing the keyboard! Please
please please put vital controls in the middle and eyecandy to the sides... that's to all keyboards designers.
SUMMARY
To sum up - hard to think this, but this is a wonderful machine that suffers from HUGE problems caused by the desire to
produce something that both Trad Musicians and DJs want. Many manufacturers are pandering to this market. (not
Clavia though) The truth is that Musicians need total control of their performances, this is sadly lacking here. The
sampler is a toy for spinning samples into the mix and is royally trounced by specialised DJ gear to start with. The
controls are fiddly, irritating and very screen reliant, and the screen is very small. Real Aftertouch is a glaring omission
and a badly exercised con... The case is flimsy, the controls are hard to see, the text is silver and nigh on illegible
without moving your head, the pedals system is badly and deliberately compromised, the Studio Set architecture is badly
flawed and inflexible in some ways, amazingly versatile in others. The keys are the wrong length. For me the most
important controls are on the extreme right of the keyboard and the hand I want to use them with is inconveniently
located on the left hand side of my body. For all my complaining though, I have never, ever, ever had a device that CAN
do so much, can sound so good and weigh as much as three bags of sugar.
If I had my money back in my account, and the keyboard was still in the shop, knowing now what I know, this keyboard
is so good that I would have to get on the bus, buy it again and have all the joys of getting irritated by how close to
perfect it is, to come again.
If anyone has any doubts.. it is worth every penny you pay for it and represents the most wonderful clash of design and
practicality you are ever likely to meet. It has more power per currency unit than any other keyboard I've tried in a 40
year long journey. Buy one now.
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Well, I have to agree with your conclusion: should I get the money back, I would buy my FA again
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