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I'mnewtousingSTAADforplateelementdesign.Iamtryingtodesignamatfoundationusingplateelements.In
postprocessing,thereareMxandMymomentsaswellas'GlobalMoment'asoptionsforthestresstypes.
TheMxandMycanbeusedtodeterminetheappropriaterebarneededtoresistthemomentsinthierrespective
directionsfortheplateelement.Butwheredoesthegloablmomentcomeintoplay?AtfirstIthoughtthatitwasa
resultantmoment,buttheMxyistheresultantmomentleadingtotorsionintheplateelement.Anyclarification
wouldbegreatlyappreciated.
Don'tknowifitwillhelp,butIamattachingscreenclipsforMx,My,andGlobalMomentpostprocessingstresses.
MxLocalMoment
http://files.engineering.com/getfile.aspx?folder=ee582b7d9cbc46e38653f0628fa06339&file
=Mx_Local_Moment.bmp
MyLocalMoment
http://files.engineering.com/getfile.aspx?folder=d97348c58a0045e5893d2fc11e5fc7a1&file
=My_Local_Moment.bmp
GlobalMoment
http://files.engineering.com/getfile.aspx?folder=28d461dbef3840f2b435977e78be08a5&fi
le=Global_Moment.bmp
Thanks
Hi!
GlobalmomentshouldhavethesameanswerwiththelocalMxandMy.Ithinkglobalmomentisconvenientwhen
theplatesaredividedtriangularly.
Actually,globalmomentsarenotquitethesameastheMxandMy.ThisisbecauseoftheeffectoftheMxy
momentasyouhavementioned.
RefertotheWoodArmermethodofcombiningplatemomentstogethertogetdesignmoments.Thatwillgivetrue
designmomentsintheMxandMylocaldirections.
Seethisthreadformoredetail:
http://www.engtips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=24256
Josh
PSWhyamI(aRISAguy)answeringquestionsonSTAAD'sforum?
ThanksfortheinformationontheWoodArmermethod.Thatshouldhelpoutalot.
AsforyouquestionJosh,fromaSTAADguytoaRISAguy,maybethisisthefirststeptoprogramcompatibility.
LOL.
Thanksagain.
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PlateElementStressMx/MyvsGlobalMomentBentley:STAADproductsEngTips

Iknowthisisalittleafterthefact,butbetterlatethannever...
WhenreferingtoMxandMyforplatemoments,besuretokeepthenomenclaturestraight.Mxdoesnotmean
momentabouttheplatelocalxaxis.ItactuallymeansmomentontheXface,wherethexfaceistheedgethatthe
localxaxis"pokesoutof".ItturnsoutthatMxisactuallythemomentABOUTtheplatelocalyaxis,whichcanbea
littleconfusing.Butitmayhelptothinkofitthisway...Mxisthemomentyouwanttousetodesigntherebarthat
runsparalleltotheplatelocalxaxis.
STAAD
SodoyoumeantosaythatusingtheWoodArmermethodasJoshPlumreferencedisincorrect?
WoodArmerisadesignmethod.
Mx,My,Mxy,andGlobalMomentsareanalysisresults.
Let'ssaywehaveameshofquadplatesthatisorientedasfollows:
platelocalxaxespointinthepositiveglobalXdirection
platelocalyaxespointinthenegativeglobalZdirection
platelocalzaxespointinthepositiveglobalYdirection
ThenMxisthemomentonthexfaceoftheplate.ThisismomentABOUTtheplatelocalyaxis,whichisthesame
asdescribingmomentABOUTtheglobalZaxisfortheorientationdescribedabove.NowamomentABOUTthe
globalZaxisproducestensileandcompressivestressesintheglobalXdirection.Soifyouweretoreviewthe
globalmomentsforthesameplate,lookinthecolumnsthatrelatetotheGlobalXstressdirection,usethecolumn
thatiscoordinatedwithourplate"top"orientationofY(+ve),youwillreadtheexactsamemomentaswas
reportedforMxforthesameplate.
Hopethathelps.

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