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TOD circuit, Bert Pool's FIREFLY circuit and other related material.
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Message 4141
DATE/TIME: 01/08/94
19:53
From
: BERT POOL
-- RECEIVED -To
: BILL BEATY
Subject: (R) Time Dialation Experiments
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
Bill, your suggestion for using two heterodyning oscillators is a good
one.
I may work on just such a device soon.
Right now, I am preparing to
prove
to myself that electric current actually flows from negative to
positive in
an electric circuit, and also to measure the actual speed of
propagation of
this current through a copper conductor. I will use a conductor
10,000
feet long to perform this measurement.
Question: If you take a 10,000 ft. long conductor and place an LED
at a
position 3,000 ft down the negative lead, one at 5,000 ft. and a
third at
7,500 ft., and connect a battery will:
(a) the LEDS will light sequentially, negative to positive
(b) the LEDS will light simultaneously
(c) the LEDS will light sequentially, positive to negative?
The LED's, by the way, are in SERIES so that current has to flow
through
all three to return to the battery.
The real interesting part of
the
experiment will follow this measurement.
I calculate that a pulse
cannot
take less than 10.17 microseconds to travel the 10,000 ft. path,
negative

to positive on the battery.

If I connect the battery to the wire
for 1
microsecond then disconnect it (i.e., a very short pulse), will the
LED
light up for 1 microsecond?
Think carefully! Because by the time the pulse gets to the LED,
the
battery is NO LONGER CONNECTED to the battery.
If the battery is
not
connected to the wire, how can current
flow through the LED?
I'm
interested in what your guess is on all this, and anyone else's ideas
are
welcome as well.
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Message 4164
DATE/TIME: 01/09/94
16:30
From
: BILL BEATY
-- RECEIVED -To
: BERT POOL
Subject: (R) Time Dialation Experiments
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
Re: Speed of electricity.
I must apologize for being longwinded in the following, but you've
got me
started!
.
When I had to design a museum exhibit on electricitiy physics, I had to
reteach myself how electricity really works, having been mis-educated
by
misconception-ridden american textbooks. It turns out batteries and
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generators do not supply electricity, they merely pump it.
All wires, in fact all metals, are already full of electricity. You
may
recall from some science class that metals contain a "sea of
electrons."
This "sea" is what moves when electric current exists in a wire. This
fact
is of prime importance when one is thinking about what goes on in
circuits.
Also, electron flows happen very very slowly, on the order of inches
per
hour depending on the current.
In an AC system, the electrons sit in place and wiggle, and do not
flow
forward at all. So, it's not the ELECTRICITY which travels fast
within
wires, it's the WAVES of starting and stopping that move fast, it's
the
energy which moves fast.

Electrical energy flows and electrical signals are longitudinal

waves of
electron compression and rarefaction supported by electrostatic
repulsion
between masses of electrons confined within a wire.
.
Now on to your experiment: If you suddenly connect BOTH leads of a
battery
to a very long circle of wire hanging in air, the battery will
pull
electrons into its positive terminal while it also pushes electrons out
its
negative one. This sends a speed-of-light wave out both terminals of
the
battery. The wave is a compression wave on the negative terminal,
and a
rarefaction wave on the positive.
As these waves get to successive LEDs in the circuit, they will be
lit
sequentially. I predict that the 7500-ft LED will light first (it's
only
2500ft. from the end), followed by the 3000-ft LED, followed by the
5000ft
one.
.
What happens if you remove the battery before the wave gets to the
LEDs?
I predict that removing the battery will send a second wave of
ceasing-ofmotion out thru the wire, and the LEDs will darken in the same
sequence in
which they were lit. Connecting the battery for 1.0 uSec will send a
1.0
uSec pulse to the LEDs. I'm envisioning an acoustic analogy here.
If you shout down a very long hose, then suddenly remove your mouth,
the
sound that's already in the hose will keep going to the end whether
your
mouth is there or not.
.
One thing to think about: if you do the experiment on a wire spool
rather
than on an immense circle of wire, I don't think the waves of
compression\
rarefaction will stay on one wire and spiral their way through the
entire
length of the coil.
Instead, voltage and current in one wire
will
inductively and capacatively couple to adjacent wires, and so your
signal
wavefronts will skip across the coil and act as if they are moving much
faster than the speed of light. Each turn of the coil acts like a
transformer winding for all the other turns. You either have to spread your
wire out in a big field, or use coax cable so adjacent turns are
shielded.

Also, are you going to switch BOTH battery connections on and off? If
you
connect the two terminals to the wire at two different times, your
results
would be different.
.
Have you heard about the experiments done in 1902 or so which showed
that
the mobile electricity within copper is electrons. Researchers wound a
big
spool of wire on a wheel, connected the ends to a meter through
sliprings,
spun the wheel a high speeds, then stopped it suddenly.
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The sudden halt in the wire's motion did not jerk the electricity
to as
sudden a stop, and a pulse of current was measured in the meter. It
was a
negative current in the direction of the wire's motion. I don't
know if
they tried this on many different metals. It is vaguely remenicent
of
Searle's original attempt to make a generator by throwing electrons off
the
edge of a spinning disk.
.
I must point out that all of the above is based upon my
knowledge of
conventional circuit physics. It's never occurred to me to try
doing
experiments like these. I'd love to hear what happens.
You're aware
that
Joe Newman's motor designs are based upon pulses racing around in
coils?
It's work like yours which has a chance of showing up anomolies and
opening
the door to really interesting lines of research.
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Message 4174
DATE/TIME: 01/10/94
11:14
From
: BERT POOL
-- RECEIVED -To
: BILL BEATY
Subject: Direction and speed of electrical curren
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
Bill, I really appreciate your feedback on the experiment on
transmitting
pulses through wire.
Discussion like this helps generate new ideas
and
experiments. Your discussion definitely adds new questions.
.
On your comment that a battery sends a compression wave OUT the
negative
terminal and a rarefacation wave OUT the positive, at the speed of
light:
If we place an LED twice as close to the positive terminal as the
negative;

lets say this is 6000 ft from negative, 3000 ft from positive, and
connect
both terminals of the battery to the wire, which wave will reach the
LED
first, the compression or the rarefaction? Since BOTH waves are
traveling
at 'c', it is obvious that the rarefaction wave from the positive pole
will
"pull" electrons through the LED long before the compression wave
can
"push" them through.
.
The LED should be lit by the rarefaction wave several microseconds
before
the compression wave gets there. In fact, using this analogy, the
LED
should light up TWICE - once when the rarefaction wave "pulls"
electrons
through the LED and a second time when the compression wave "pushes"
more
electrons through the LED. Normally these two events would be so
close
together that the phenomenon would never be seen - unless you were
looking
for it! (and believe me, I intend to look!).
.
Using your water hose analogy, if we take a long garden hose and at the
2/3
length position place a "paddle" wheel to indicate air movement and
have
one person blow on the long end (compression) and another suck on the
short
end of the hose (rarefaction), the paddle wheel should move twice.
The
rarefaction wave will reach the paddle wheel first,
moving it,
and
logically, a short time later the compression wave will move the
wheel
again.
.
That is, of course, unless the rarefaction wave, upon passing the
paddle
wheel, reaches the compression wave at the MIDDLE of the hose, and
cancels
it. (Both waves are traveling at the same speed and so should meet at
the
middle point of the hose. Compression and rarefaction waves DO
cancel,
yes?). Since the paddle wheel was moved by the rarefaction wave
long
before the compression wave could ever have arrived, the short
length of
time measured for the wheel to move could be wrongly (?)
interpreted as
showing that electric current travels from positive to negative.
.
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This scenario suggests
place an

that if we take two 5000 ft conductors and

LED at the far end (middle), and place another two LEDs, one at each of
the
2500 ft marks and connect a battery, a compression wave will travel
from
the negative pole of the battery toward the LED on the negative wire
while
a rarefaction wave travels from the positive pole of the battery toward
the
LED on the positive wire.
Since both waves are traveling at the
same
speed, both of these LEDs should light up AT THE SAME TIME, the
negative
LED when the compression wave pushes electrons through it, and the
positive
LED when the rarefaction wave pulls electrons through it! And a short
time
later BOTH waves will reach the middle LED and light it up last.
.
So, looking at the gargen hose and wire and using your classical
theory,
I'm still not sure what will REALLY happen. We can put forth at least
two
or three conflicting lighting hypothesis based on the same theory.
.
Will the LED's pulse only once or will they pulse twice? Will there
be a
sequential lighting, and if so, in what order? Or might some of the
LEDs
light simultaneously? I had no idea at the outset that such a
simple
experiment could be SO MUCH FUN!
I am prepared to do this experiment tomorrow, but I'm not about to
actually
do it until I get more pre-experiment guesses from you and the other
Keely
Netters. I'd have never thought about a rarefaction wave lighting up an
LED
before a compression wave getting there - thanks.
.
By the way Bill, you are certainly invited to participate in
performing
this experiment (hope you are local!).
.
The wire will not be on a spool when the experiment is conducted self
inductance and capacitance would skew the measurements.
I plan on
doing
this out in the country in some deserted field where I can unreel
10,000
feet of wire
into large loops with as little self capacitance
and
inductance as possible.
.
Anyone got a farm field with nearby power that we can use? (no
Norm, we
don't want to do this experiment in the Arkansas outback!)
.
Please re-read all our messages on this, ruminate a while, and get
back
with me later. >> Bert

.
p.s. - anyone else out there
experiment?
It may be simple, but there are
foundation
pillars being pushed and pulled
.
p.p.s. Jerry, this discussion
material,
yes?

got any feedback on this simple

some

very

important

electric

around here!
is starting to look like

"file"

cc: Norman Wootan

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Message 4187
DATE/TIME: 01/10/94
16:52
From
: BERT POOL
-- RECEIVED -To
: BILL BEATY
Subject: Cease-of-motion wave???
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
Bill, I re-read your comments:
.
BB > What happens if you remove the battery before the
BB > wave gets to the LEDs?
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BB > I predict that removing the battery will send a second
BB > wave of ceasing-of-motion out thru the wire, and the LEDs
BB > will darken in the same sequence in which they were lit.
BB > Connecting the battery for 1.0 uSec will send a 1.0 uSec
BB > pulse to the LEDs. I'm envisioning an acoustic analogy
BB > here. If you shout down a very long hose, then suddenly
BB > remove your mouth, the sound that's already in the hose
BB > will keep going to the end whether your mouth is there or not.
.
Bill, what in the heck is a "ceasing-of-motion" wave? I know this is
the
"New Age", so maybe this is a Wave of the New Age? |:)
.
I was able to hang in there with
you
except for this.
Maybe a
clarification?
>> Bert
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Message 4226
DATE/TIME: 01/12/94
10:27
From
: BILL BEATY
-- RECEIVED -To
: BERT POOL
Subject: (R) Direction and speed of electrical cu
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
Sounds like your analogy with the hose and paddle wheels is just about
what
I am visualizing for the workings of your experiment.
One detail:
.
> That is, of course, unless the rarefaction wave, upon passing

> the paddle wheel, reaches the compression wave at the MIDDLE of
> the hose, and cancels it. (Both waves are traveling at the same
> speed and so should meet at the middle point of the hose.
> Compression and rarefaction waves DO cancel, yes?).
.
On the above, I would say that the compression and rarefaction waves
would
meet and cancel MOMENTARILY, but would then continue moving and go
through
each other and continue unaffected.
I've seen this happen with
water
ripples. I've even made it happen myself when playing with pulses
on
hanging ropes and
swinging
chains.
It's only when the medium
is
"nonlinear" that one wave can alter the path of another wave's energy.
In
linear media, waves go through each other and come out unaffected.
.
Oh, here's another thing I though of. The resistance of a power
supply is
very low, so you treat it as a conductor. So, if you should connect
the
battery to the long loop of wire AND LEAVE IT CONNECTED, the waves
of
compression and rarefaction should go all the way around the loop,
return,
and PASS THROUGH THE BATTERY and go around again. The LEDs should
change
brightness many times in a resonant exponential decay, as smaller
and
smaller positive and negative current waves go past them.
The
current
waves would continue forever, but I think the resistance of the LEDs
and of
the wire will make them die off after a few trips. If the wire
resistance
is high enough, the waves might even be smeared out after a single
trip.
Something to watch out for.
.
And even if you disconnect the battery a microsecond after sending
the
pulses, you will still get multiple pulses at the LEDs because the
missing
battery acts as a mismatched impedance on your line, which causes
total
reflection of any waves hitting the end of the wire. The waves will
return
to the battery, find it missing, and so reverse course and make
trips
around the loop again backwards.
.
Wasn't there some free-energy invention which used very long lengths of
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wire lying on the ground? I think it was powered by a tesla coil, but
even
so, you might get some weird results if your experiment interacts in
any

way with telluric currents, AC or DC.

You might discover
something
interesting. Wouldn't it be great if you could accidentally tap a
few
kilowatts from the ether and blow up your LEDs? Or you might discover
that
you have to invest in 10000 feet of coaxial cable to get rid of
earth
current signals.
.
Also, I wonder
if
Bearden's "Final
Secret"
stuff
involves
some
instantaneous propagation effects, followed by normal light speed
effects.
The thing where he connects a voltage to an inductor and then
removes it
before current starts, doesn't quite make sense if the starting of
the
current propagates as a lightspeed wave. Connecting a battery to
an
inductor, for even a brief moment, should in theory send a pulse down
the
wire of the coil.
But if instead there was some INSTANTANEOUS wave
(of
electrogravity?) which filled the whole wire, it might alter the wire
and
make it suck ZPE. If this happens, you should see some waves on your
wire
which go much faster than the speed of light. Something to watch for!
.
I wonder what happens when you first connect one battery terminal to
the
wire loop, THEN connect the other one? The wire will first be
suddenly
charged up to the voltage of the battery terminal. As this voltage
wave
passes each LED, if it is high enough, it might make the LED pulse
very
breifly. This would be weird: flashing the LEDs with only ONE
battery
terminal connected. I don't know if the other battery terminal has
to be
connected to earth for this to happen, since it is an electrostatic
effect.
You also might have to momentarily ground your long wire first, to
make
sure it's at 0 volts.
.
>By the way Bill, you are certainly invited to participate in
>performing this experiment (hope you are local!).
.
Sorry, I'm not local, I'm Seattle,
WA.
We used to have a
fringe
science/UFO/Magik/etc. group here a couple of years ago, called
"The
Group," but it ran out of steam when the person volunteering his home
for
meetings moved out of travel range. There still is Dale Travous here
with
his 9 ft. multi 10-KW tesla coil, and Gary Hawkins, who's 30KV
capacitor

bank penny-blasting was featured in EXTRAORDINARY SCIENCES last month.

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Message 4227
DATE/TIME: 01/12/94
10:29
From
: BILL BEATY
-- RECEIVED -To
: BERT POOL
Subject: (R) Cease-of-motion wave???
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
>Bill, what in the heck is a "ceasing-of-motion" wave? I know this
>is the "New Age", so maybe this is a Wave of the New Age? |:)
.
Yes, Glasshoppah, when ceasing-of-motion wave propagate to the
everpresent
"now" of one's position on the worldline, one begins to smell and
is in
need of being discarded.
.
Sorry ;)
.
That "ceasing of motion" thing is something I started saying because,
when
explaining electricity to people, I found that most everyone uses the
word
"current" to describe what flows
in
wires, rather than calling
it
"electricity" or "charge" or electrons.

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"Current" cannot flow if current IS a flow of something. In my
older
message I almost said that a wave of "current" was going down the wire,
but
because of the blurry meaning of the word, I instead tried to say it
more
accurately.
When you connect a battery to a circuit and wait a while, the whole
circuit
ends up with flowing charge. How did that charge start flowing? Well,
when
the wires first touched together, a wave of "starting-of-motion" zipped
all
around the circuit, leaving constantly flowing electrons in its wake.
Now,
when you break a closed circuit, THE ELECTRONS STOP WHERE THEY ARE.
And they do the "stopping" one after another in sequence. And so a
wave of
motionlessness, or a wave of zero current, or a wave of ceasing-ofmotion
of electrons, overtakes each one in the circuit at the speed of
light,
leaving a lot of motionless electrons at the end. In your experiment
with
the long wire, the compression and rarefaction waves aren't simply
pulses

of breif movement, because in front of the waves the electrons are

stopped,
and behind the waves the electrons are moving. The waves are leading
edges
of a spreading area of movement of charges.
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Message 4287
DATE/TIME: 01/14/94
20:45
From
: BILL BEATY
To
: ALL
Subject: Audio phase conj.
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
I don't think it's that easy to build an acoustic phase-congugate
mirror.
Don't these devices always require some sort of time-reversal, also
some
way of recording a two-dimensional pattern? The simplest way I can
think
of doing an acoustic version is this: Put a few hundred tiny
loudspeakers
and microphones in a large grid pattern with one speaker adjacent to
each
mic. Wire the mics to the inputs of a supertaperecorder having
several
hundred channels. Now record some distant sounds. If you now play the
tape
back in reverse so the sound comes out of the speakers backwards
and
amplified, the waveforms and phases of the sounds coming from the
speakers
will be such that the grid of speakers will direct powerful beams of
sound
out to each original source.
Even with many separate sound sources,
the
device will simultaneously send a beam to each one.
.
Here's another idea: line a harbor with numerous individual highspeed
water level sensors, and also numerous wave generators (maybe pistondriven
panels or something)
Now make a splash at some particular place in
the
harbor, and record the waves received on shore. If you now play back
the
received signals into the wave generators, and play them in reverse,
you
create a time-reversed contracting ripple pattern that shrinks down
into a
splash. And with a little amplification and processing, you could
direct
huge splashs to any point in the harbor. I've always wanted to do this
in a science museum duck pond, then let people handle the controls of
the
timereversed phasecongugate hydralic wave duck dunker!
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Message 4294
02:31
From
: BILL BEATY
To
: WILLIAM ALLEN
Subject: (R) artificial scm
Folder : A, "Public Mail"

DATE/TIME: 01/15/94
-- RECEIVED --

On the "artificial superconductor" coil:

.
I came up with my device while wondering how to fake a superconductor
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levitation effect for
a
museum exhibit.
You probably know
that a
superconductor can levitate permanent magnets by excluding their fields
via
closed current loops on the surface of the material.
What
suddenly
appeared in my brain was a picture of a matrix of electromagnet coils,
each
with a hall-effect magnetic field sensor in the center, and each
driven by
a power amplifier getting its signal from the sensor. This setup
does
nothing, since the sensors detect any field from the coils and force
them
to turn off.
BUT, if a magnet approaches the matrix of coils, the sensors will
turn on
the coils just enough to force the field at the sensors to be zero.
This
is just what a superconductor plate does!
And the coils do repel
the
magnet. Regardless of which pole of the magnet approaches the coil,
the
sensor sends a current which forces the coil and magnet to repel.
.
Building this device is easier than it sounds. First try making a
single
"repulsor" coil as shown below. You use a switching-type bipolar
hall
effect sensor, a PNP and an NPN power darlington transistor, and a
coil
taken from a solenoid. I used 1/4-20 bolts for the iron core of my
coils. The coil was for a 12V solenoid, and I drove it with + and 24Vdc
supplies. I got the transistors from DIGI-KEY electronic mail order,
and
the SS41 from R&D Electronic surplus catalog.
.

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Get the circuit operating, place the SS41 Hall-Effect sensor against
the
end of the coil's iron core, then bring a bar magnet near the end of
the
core and see if it repels.
If not, turn the SS41 over to reverse
it's
output polarity. Attach the SS41 to the core (I used cable ties
and
silicone)
.
This is one repulsor coil. It acts like a bar magnet which repels
either
end of another magnet! With five I managed to levitate a 3" alnico rod
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magnet VERY wobbly and temporary. With two rows of six coils
attached to
iron strips, I made a slanted track which bar magnets would zip
silently
along. This circuit is too simple and has no adjustments, and it
is
underdamped, so levitated magnets tend to wobble. Copper damping
plates
(pennys) held near the levitated magnet can cure this, but it's a
cludgey
fix. I have yet to build a square panel and attempt to float a big
magnet.
.
If you build any of the above, try connecting an audio amp to the DC
power
lines. Each repulsor circuit is an inheirant switching power supply,
and

the chorus of variable frequency whining sounds from the coils is

pretty
cool.
.
On capacitor discharge: leave messages for Gary Hawkins on this board.
He
is working with 30kV oil capacitors with discharge energies like a
shotgun
blast. Ask him about samples of the pennies and quarters he
shrunk by
compressing them with the field of an exploding coil.
cc: Jerry Decker
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Message 4311
DATE/TIME: 01/15/94
15:31
From
: BILL BEATY
-- RECEIVED -To
: JERRY DECKER (SYSOP)
Subject: Keely motor
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
THROUGH THE CURTAIN by Viola Neal & Shafica Karagulia / DeVorss &
Co,
Marina del Ray, CA,
(c)1983
.
This is a book on particular dreams some people had in the early
'60s,
where in the dream the person attended some sort of class and had
various
things explained to them.
.
In the Technology part of the book, the "teachers" say many times
that
sound is extremely important to physics, psychic phenomena, and to
the
structure of the universe. Also, the following two paragraphs
suddenly
appear. No other mention of motors or of "K" appear anywhere else
as far as I can see.
.
From p172:
"Concentrating on a particular geometrical form first at his
throat center, then at a point in the brain, made it possible
to start the "K" motor. The motor itself required a certain
type of construction which was no secret, but once he had
started it by this method it continued to operate until he had
shut it off, either by mechanical means or again by focusing
on certain geometrical forms in his brain. "K" happened on
this through experimentation. He knew it was dangerous to give
it to people and never said how he did it."
.
From p180:
"The secret of the "K" motor was a crystalline form that was
used and no one knew. It was under everybody's nose, but no one
felt a crystal had an effect on a motor. "K" found out that just
by visualizing the geometrical form of the crystal, he could get
the motor to start. But there were crystals in the mechanism of

the motor. Simpler devices than "K's" motor could be made. A

simple combination of magnets and crystals could give you all
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the energy you need to run a house."
.
So, who could the mysterious "K" be??!
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Message 4479
DATE/TIME: 01/22/94
11:47
From
: NORMAN WOOTAN
-- RECEIVED -To
: GERALD O'DOCHARTY
Subject: Capacitor Discharges
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
Gerald: You are probably already aware of what I am going to say so
don't
take offense for it is meant for the folks out there who don't
really
understand WATTS, KILLOWATTS or KILOWATT/HOURS. Remember that Tesla
said
that a capacitor is an amazing device for it allowed us the
flexibility to
store high voltage energy and release it at any time interval
that we
deamed oppropriate for our application. Let's look at an example.
I have a bank of Energy Storage Capacitors that came from Oak Ridge,
DOE
made by Sangamo Electric.
They are 12"x 12" x 30" in size and weigh
200#
each. They are rated at 3000 JOULES @ 60,000 volts. I have a bank of
them
numbering 60 each which gives a total capacity of 180,000 JOULES. Now
if I
discharge this bank in 1 second @60 KV it would yield a current of 3
amps.
What we are all familiar with is the electric meter which is
watt/hours so
this bank of capacitors would yield 50watt/hours,but if I discharge it
in 1
millisecond the yield would be 180 MEGAWATTS. Then if I were able
to
discharge it in 1 microsecond then the pulse would be 1.8 GIGAWATTS.
The problem is in the fact that the whole bank would explode and
devistate
everthing arround it. We can't get conductors big enough to handle
the
currents associated with an instantaneous discharge of this magnitude.
The
bottom line of the discussion is that power is based on time
and
the
capacitor allows us to compress a lot of power in a short time frame.
Be
careful and good luck. Norm

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Message 4490
DATE/TIME: 01/23/94
01:25
From
: WILLIAM ALLEN
To
: ALL
Subject: COILBAK RESPONSE FROM CHAD PRYSON
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
I HAVE BEEN SENDING FILES AND WORKING WITH CHAD PRYSON. WE WORKED
TOGETHER
IN KNOXVILLE, TN, AND THEN I MOVED TO TEXAS... DUE TO THE LONG
DISTANCE
CALLS, HE DOESN'T CALL OFTEN, SO HE SENT THIS TO ME FOR
UPLOAD TO
KEELYNET....... HE HAS BEEN WORKING WITH THE HENDERSHOT GENERATOR FOR
SOME
TIME, AND HAS WOUND A BEAUTIFUL PAIR OF BASKET COILS AND HAS BECOME
EXPERT
AT MAKING THE CAPACITORS CALLED FOR IN THE TEXT. ALAS, THE DEVICE
STILL
DOES NOT PUT OUT ANY POWER. CHAD DOES THE BEST LOOKING ASSEMBLY WORK I
HAVE
SEEN, AND IS A VERY GOOD TECHNICIAN. HE UMPED AT THE COILBAK AS AN
IDEA,
AND IMMEDIATELY TRIED HIS HAND AT THE CIRCUIT. FOLLOWING ARE HIS
RESPONCES:
**********************************************************
To KeelyNet
Jan. 3rd, 1994
RE: Coilbak circuit submitted by Joel McClain

As I have experimented with the Coilbak circuit, I have

Page 10
obtained no favorable results as yet. I would like to
point out two critical factors in the circuit design:
1.) Regardless of where the comparator reference voltage
is set, the SCR has been triggered and will not turn
off by any subsequent action of the gate voltage from
the comparator output.
Since the SCR is conducting, the sawtooth ramp will
continue to maintain bias on the SCR anode, ensuring
that it will conduct the entire ramp from triggering
to maximum amplitude. There is no way to inhibit the
coil charge cycle at 90 degrees.
2.) Due to the extremely short duration of the sawtooth
"low" state, I have not found an SCR that will respond
to such a short transient and reset before the next
ramp begins. The only exception to this is pulling the
sawtooth waveform below ground by using a negative
supply in addition to the positive battery supply.

This, of course, tends to negate the entire purpose of

the circuit since that supply cannot be replenished.

This has been my experience to date. I am normally not a

skeptic regarding such matters, (I always hope everyone has
altruistic intentions) but something seems to be missing
or incorrect.
Have I missed something?
Sincerely,
Chad Pryson
3708 Douglas Dam Rd.
Kodak, TN 37764
615-933-8025

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Message 4491
DATE/TIME: 01/23/94
01:32
From
: WILLIAM ALLEN
-- PRIVATE --RECEIVED -To
: JOEL MCCLAIN
Subject: CHAD
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
JOEL, MY FRIEND CHAD PRYSON HAS SENT ME A RESPONSE TO LOAD TO THE
NET
CONCERNING COILBAK. THIS NOTE IS TO LET YOU KNOW TO GET THE
FIRE
EXTINGUISHER READY. FLAME ON! HE WOULD APPRECIATE ANY REPLY, PERHAPS
ALONG
WITH YOUR RESULTS. MESSAGE #4490 IS MY PRELUDE AND HIS LETTER...
THANKS.
WILLIAM ALLEN
P.S.... NO OFFENSE OF COURSE! ALL IN THE INTEREST OF F.E. FOR ALL!
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Message 4538
DATE/TIME: 01/24/94
23:16
From
: BOB ALDRICH
-- RECEIVED -To
: TERRY BASTIAN
Subject: (R) efficient batteries
Folder : A, "Public Mail"
Terry,
Page 11
Ok, here's the scoop on this liquid electricity. The man I know who
told
me is getting older, and so couldn't recall all that I remembered,
but he
did come up with some more details.
He couldn't recall the man's name,
for

but

he

is known in the midwest

his invention that waters farms, sort of a very high-powered water

pistol..
It irrigates a farm with one nozzle... it shoots water half a mile or
more!
He almost recalle the name, but not quite, but said it rhymes with
stag or
stap or something.. He said that someone else did some experiments
along
the same lines, that he copied what this man did, and that this other
man
disappeared. Whether he left suddenly or mysteriously or just moved
away,
or was abducted is not known.
This man did say that the liquid electricity battery was doubly
enclosed
(possibly for insulation from heat) and that it was charged for
several
hours at a very high voltage and it eventually got extremely heavy. If
you
shook it the electricity sloshed around inside.
He had

built

a small model, cooled by helium (although

thought

my
friend said nitrogen last time) that, if scaled up, per his
calculations to
a cubic foot, WOULD CONTAIN ENOUGH ENERGY TO LIGHT NEW YORK CITY
FOR A
WEEK. Also that this cubic foot of electricity WOULD WEIGH ABOUT TWO
TONS.
There is

another

such device, a

different

researcher,

somewhere

in
Washington or Oregon possibly, who has something similar called the
Trinium
battery. Don't know if it's exactly the same thing, but if you want I
could
trace this down also.
AND, here is another one.
Another type of battery was designed by a fellow named

Joe

Wallace

of
Phoenix, Arizona in the mid-fifties. This battery was TWO CUBIC INCHES,
yet
was comparable to the lead-acid car battery we know. And it would
draw
higher current. My friend saw one the size of a penny (single cell)
that
would produce hundreds of amps at 1-1.5 volts!
It was SILVER BASED; the electrolyte may have been silver chloride.
One
terminal was a paste and the other terminal was a solid terminal. There
may
be a way to trace this fellow down. However, some of the technology
may be
defense related, as Amphenol allowed him to demonstrate his battery to
them
(how nice of them) but they didn't want to buy his design, as they
had a

similar design which didn't work as well but was adequate for their
use,
which was used in the detonation of the Atomic Bomb!
All for now!
Bob
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