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BISMILLA:HIRRAH:MA:NIRRAH:I:M

2RESEARCH

PAPER (2,A)

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CRITIQUE OF ALI MIRZA ON THE ISSUE OF

4H:ADI:TH/HADI:S:. OF AMMA:R RD.
5Engineer Ali Mirza is a Literalist, Rafid:iy and a Denounces all the principles of
6Interpretations. How ever he owes to interpretation when it pure literalism conflicts
7his views as in the case of a Hadis about the faith of the Prophets father, where he
8interprets the Arabic word for father for paternal uncle. But he did not follow any
9rule or principle for interpretation.He tries to attact all the three sects of
10AHLUSNNAH nounly a] ASHA:IRAH.b]Salafiah.c]Maturidiyah.He attempts to inject
11Rafidi Ideas in Salfaism in particular and in the other two Sunni sects in general.
12Before beginning the discussion it is Necessary to shew that the extreme literalism
13is deadly fetal to Islam and Ahlussunnah. We provide twelve examples which are
14just due to the extreme literalistic approach and hope that Respected Ali Mirza shall
15also accept their fatality against Islam and Ahlussunnah. But they are some cases
16not all the cases:=
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These are some of the demerits of Pure literalist approach.

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GENERAL DISCUSSION:=

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As the H:ADI:S:. of AMMAR RD IS AUTHENTIC WITH RESPECT TO ITS SANAS AND

ITS ASNA:D CANNOT BEDISCUSSED.
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Sun revolve around earth and earth does not revolve around sun.[ See
SEE IMAM OF BANS BARAILVI SECT IN FAUZUL MUBIN,(May Allah save us
from this view)].
Sun sinks in a muddy lake on earth.
Moon has a light of its own.
Sun simultaneously revolves around earth and Throne Of Deity.
First Heaven is the sky seen from earth.
God is like a beautiful young Man.
Qura:n is MAJU:L if not MAKHLU:Q
Deity [ALL-H]gains knowledge as time passes. [Strangely Dr Iqbal ALSO
advocated this view
In the third lecture of the book Reconstruction Of Thoughts in Islam]
Hadrat Ali Was JA-HU:L [Nauz:.Billah]
Saiyiduna ABU BACR RD was a MAGHD:U:B OF DEITY [ALL-H]
NAUZ:.UBILLAH.
Space travelling is impossible.
Earth is flat.

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The only thing which canbe discussed is the EXPLANATION OF THE H;ADI:S:.

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This H:ADI:S:. is of First Category i.e S:AH:IH:

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This H:adi:s:. is not much difficult . One have to discuss the difficult part of the
text of the tradition .

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Based upon this part Rafavid EXPLICITLY argue that Saiyiduna Muaviah RD and
his supporters are either in Hell or Shall Go InHell. AL AYA:Z:. BILLAH TAALA:.

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They further allege that He and his companions were Heretic, Heterodox and
Hippocrates.

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Engineer Ali Mirza how ever seconds them but IMPLICITLY. How ever HIS implicity
is strong .It does cannote what Ravafid had said in a very powerful manner.His
words cannotes the very same sense which the RAVAFID: has said EXPLICITLY.

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further reports that even his former teacher Shaikh Zubair Ali Zai was in trouble
since he was unable to make any explanation of this H:ADI:S:. in harmony with
the Traditional SunniAQAID about Sah:a:bah RD:

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This may be true since Shaikh Zubair Ali Zai was an extreme literalist and
denied any non literal approach even if it was necessary. Due to his influence
ALI MIRZA has tried to mix Salafism and Rafidiism both in himself.

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THE DIFFICULT PARTS OF THE H:ADI:S:.

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The Holy Prophet SAVS said that :=1]The killers of Saiyiduna AMMAR RD would
be inviting him to Hell and Saiyiduna AMMA:R RD: would be inviting his killers to
Paradize/Heaven OR SOHE SAID.[indirect narration].2] SAIYIDUNA AMMAR would
be killed by an Insurrecting Group [Fiah Al Ba:ghiyah]

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It is tried by RAVAFID: to shew that the text means that Killers Of SAIYIDUNA
AMMA:R RD SHALL go in hell in QIYAMAH and AMMA:R RD shall go in Paradize.

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Then RAVAFID: argue that as Muaviyah RD was the head of his army , and

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his army was the Fiah Al Ba:ghiyah who killed Saiyiduna AMMA:R RD: ,

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they all shall go to Hell in QIYA:MAH. [NAUZ:.BILLAH].

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Very same sense is expressed by Engineer Ali Miaza of Jhelum. How ever

67His intelligent mind made a conspiracy to say in implicit statements.

68All his efforts are to distort the true picture of Saiyiduna Mua:viyah RD.
69He ascribed to him such evil acts which
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70As if he has left Islam (strong case) or was a fasiq\ transgressor as if he was
71not worthy of being a S:AH:BIY(relatively a weak case) . AL AYA:Z:. BILLAH
72TAALA:
73 In order to discuss Ali Miza of Jhelum we have adopted
74The pure literalistic approach of the H:adis:. stated above.
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76It is impossible that this Hadis is applied upon Saiyiduna Muaviah RD, Saiyiduna
77Amar Bin Al As RD on the literal basis.
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PROOF:=

79In order to prove that this Hadis in no way implies that Saiyiduna ,Saiyiduna Amar
80Bin Al As will go to hell or they were on the wrong side , or both we proceed as
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82The Hadis does say that the :=
83A]Killer of Saiyidna Ammar RD belongs to Fiah Al Baghiyah.
84B]Saiyidna Ammar RD would be inviting them to Paradize/Heaven.
85C]These killers would be inviting Saiyidna Ammar to Hell.
86Assume that :1]One Who Invites Some One To Hell Shall Go In Hell and 2]One Who
87Invites Some One To Heaven/Paradise Shall Go In Heaven/Paradise.
88All the discussion is based upon these two assumptions.
89Consider the followings:=
901] A Killer is a person who is Practically and Actually involved in the Act Of Killing. In
91Arabic qatala yqqt-ly qatlan Fahu va Qa:tilun. It is a certain proof That One Who Is
92Not Practically and Actually Involved In The Act or Doing Of Qatl Is Not a QAATIL in
93Real[HAQIQAH]] meaning or Prime sense.
94To apply the word on a person or a group of persons who are not practically involved
95in the said act or stated doing is a Vertual [Majaz]meaning or secondary sense.
96As a literalist Ali Mirza cannot apply the Hadis on the Entire Army of Saiyiduna
97Muaviah RD. Since there are multitudes of men in His Army who were not involved
98in this stated above Act/Doing.
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992]If the Insurrecting Group [FIAH AL BA:GHIYAH]was a Sub-Set of a Larger Set [Army
100Of Muaviah RD] this Hadis is silent about the Super-Set.
101There are two logical possibilities about the Super set.
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a) The Super Set was also an INSURRECTING GROUP [FIAH AL BAGHIYAH]

b) The Super Set was not.
In any case The Hadith/Hadis\H:ADI:S:. DOETH EXCLUDE The Super-Set.
[ A Pure Literalistic Approach]

1073] Mathematical Representation [ Set Theory Approach in Morse Kelley Set Theory
108Approach]
109Note:- MKS is preferred over RFC since Cantors theorem is not provable in MKS, and
110not Grothendieck Universes. It may be recalled the RFC is usually used by Atheists
111to argue against the Omniscience of ALL-H SUBH:AN-HU VA TAALA:. [AL AYADH
112BILLAH TAALA:]
113Let A be a non empty set => A=\= {}
114Let A is the set of all the ARMY MEMBERS OF Saiyidna Muaviah RD including Him
115and Siyiduna Amar Bin Al A:s: RD.
116A={x|x is amember of ARMY of Saiyiduna Muaviah, and his supporters including
117Saiyiduna Muaviah RD}
118Let B is the set of all those persons who are practically and actually Involved in the
119Act/Doing of Killing of Saiyiduna Amma:r RD.
120B={| is person who is Practically and Actually involved in the stated above
121act/doing}
122Let it be supposed that B is the sub-set ofA.
123This implieth that A is the Super set Of B A
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126Now this Hadis cannot be applied to the Set
127Since the Hadis is perfectly silent on the Set and its speech is on set B THAT IS It
128speaketh ONLY on Set B in literal Sense.
129As this Hadis is Silent on the Holy Text Of Hadis is Silent over set A.
130Therefore this Hadis is silent on Set A.
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131Thus it is a fallacy to Apply this Hadis/Hadith on sets A and
132ALHAMDU LIL LA:H it has been proved from the literal approach that this is a fallacy
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LOGICAL FORM :=

134According to the Science Of Logic This is a fallacy of the form given below:=
135If Some B are A then All B are A.[ OR If Some B are A then All B is A]
136This incorrect and invalid. Thus such deduction is not possible from the Holy Text Of
137H:adi:s:.
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MATHEMATICAL FORM

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140If B is Fiah al Baghiyah then A is Fiah Al Baghiyah ;Since B is SUB SET of A.
141Or in Symbolic Form:=
142If B A then B=A.
143But this is no argument. It is just a FALLACY.
1445] POSSIBLE METHODS OF ARGUMENTS OF ALI MIRZA
1455,A]If Engineer Ali Mirza Insists to include All those members of Army of Saiyiduna
146Muaviah RD WHO were not Involeved in this stated above Act in the TEXT Of Hadis,
147then he must have to choose any one
148Of the following methods:=
1491]He has to generalize the word Qatl to all those in persons who either practically
150killed Saiyidna Ammar RD or were in the same Army which these persons also
151belonged to.If he does so then he takes a NON LITERALIST approach i.e an
152Interpretation [Interpreting Approach/Maja:z\Tavil in the term of Majority]
1532]He has to use the system of ANALOGY .Taking the literal meaning and applying
154the Analogy argument
155On the literal meaning.
1563]Taking the literal meaning and then applying the INDUCTION Argument on the
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158There is no forth method possible in the science of logic.
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159But all of them are incorrect.
160FIRST:= Engineer Ali Mirza is not an interpretist.So he cannot use this approach. He
161is bound to take the Literalist approach. So the literalist approach is left .How ever if
162the engineer confess that he some time uses this approach thenhe must have to tell
163the rules, terms and conditions of his interpretations.Other wise this approach shall
164not be accepted.
165SECOND:= Analogy and Induction are weak arguments and can not be appied to
166S:AH:A:BAH RD: and ANBIYA: AS. So they are rejected directly against any
167S:AH:ABIY OR ANY NABIY.
1685,B] It is possible that if some men of an army do an act it is generally applied to
169the Army in entirety.
170But this custom if can be only applied to Hadis/Hadith only in the case that the
171H:adi:s:. is held on MAJAZ instead of H:AQI:QAH . So this reverts to the first case of
172[5,A]stated above.
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ARGUMENT [ AL JAVA:B AL ILZA:MIY]

174The group which insurrected against Saiyiduna US:.MA:N RD: ajoined the group of
175Saiyidna ALI RD.
176But the entire army of Saiyiduna Ali RD cannot be declair to be killers of Saiyiduna:
177UTH:.MA:N RD:,not even the supporters of the killer of US:.MA:N RD.
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Mathematical Representation

179 Let ={| is a member of Army Of ALI RD or ALI RD himself}

180 Let ={| is either a killer of Saiyiduna Uth:.ma:n RD or the supporter
181of the killers}
182Then from the available records of Ah:adi:s:. and History
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this shall be a fallacy to argue

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LOGICAL FORM OF THE FALLACY:=

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187IF some members of the army of Caliph ALI RD: are either killers Of Caliph
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189US:.MA:N RD, then ALL THE MEMBERS OF THE ARMY OF CALIPH ALI
190are either killers or supporters of Killers Of Caliph USMA:N RD.
191THIS IS A GREAT FALLACY.
192If this is a fallacy in the case of Saiyiduna ALI RD and His Army , the same
193fallacy is in the case of
194Saiyiduna MUAVIAH RD and His Army.
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CONCLUSION

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THE ARMY OF SAIYIDUNA MUAVIAH WAS FIATUL

197BA:GHIYAH,EVEN THEN THIS H:ADIS:. IS ABOUT A SMALL
198GROUP IN THE LARGER GROUP WHICH CONSISTED OF
199ONLY THOSE PERSONS WHO WERE PRACTICALLY AND
200ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE ACT /DOING OF KILLING OF
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hath either to owe to other arguments like Induction

204or Analogy to support the claim that the subject of
205H:ADI:S:. is the Entire army of Saiyiduna Mu
206aviyah RD including Saiyiduna Muaviyah RD or to
207interpret the Text .
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possible objection.

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order to check the validity of these argumentations

210AND ARGUMENTS , it was tried to suggest some possible
211objection which may be raised by the rivals of
212S:ah:a:bah RD against their defence.
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213OBJECTION

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logical or a mathematical approach is not allowed in

215case of AH:DIS:.
216REPLY

TO THE OBJECTION NO. 1

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means that illogical approaches are allowed. AL

218AYA:Z:. BILLAH TA:ALA: .
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for Mathematical Approach, it is a Mathematical

220representation of Logical Approach , the mathematical
221representation of the fallacy committed by RAVAFID: and
222their supporters and the entire objection against the
223S:AH:ABAH RD.
224OBJECTION

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may be argued that there were only two opinions

226about the H:adi:s:. among S:Ah:a:bah RD.
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Opinion Of Saiyiduna Ali RD. This opinion says that as

228the killers were from the camp of Muaviah RD, They
229were Bugha:h
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Opinion Of Saiyiduna Muaviyah RD. The were two:-

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Opinion:- Those who did bring him to war were his

232killers in the sense if the had not brought him in the war
233he would have not died.
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Opinion:- As an act of conspiracy some of the

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them selves killed Saiyiduna Amma:r RD and threw

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make a false impression that they had killed Saiyiduna

239AMMAR RD.
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make any third opinion is agaist the IJMAA of

241S:AH:ABAH RD.
242Refutaion.
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the opinions ascribed to respective personalities are

244proved with CORRECT Asna:d then
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cannot deviate from Ijma: Of Sah:abah RD.

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there is no unique opinion of :AH:ABAH RD on the

247issue and they were divided in several opinion [at least
2482], there is no IJMA: . So they claim of IJMA:of
249S:ah:abah on a unique/single opinion is not only incorrect
250but false as well. A FURTHER DISCUSSION IS BEYOND THE
251SCOPE OF THIS PAPER.
252Objection

253Son Of Saiyiduna AMAR BIN AL A:S: also agreed that the killer of Saiyiduna
254AMMAR belonged to his camp.Further he did not entered in practical fight ,
255He only remained with his father because he had made a promise with the
256Holy Prophet SAVS to obey his father.
257Refutation:258A personal opinion of a person is not decisive. That is why a number of
259S:AH:A:BAH RD did not agree with him.
260Further he only inferred some how from some H:ADI:S:. that Caliph ALI RD
261was on the right side in the war [RIGHTEOUSNESS OF IJTIHA:D]. But there is
262nothing which imply that he admitted that all the Army Of Saiyiduna
263Muaviyah RD including his NOBLE Father Saiyiduna ,

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264AMAR BIN AL A:S RD and Saiyiduna Muaviah RD are in hell OR they shall
265go in hell. [AL AYA:AZ:. BILLAHI TAA:LA]. This is the FREEDOM of Ijtiha:d in
266the camp of MUAVIAH RD. Has some one seen this type of freedom?
267OBJECTION 4
268SOME SAHABAH DID ADMITED THAT THEY WERE IN ERROR WHEN THEY
269REMAINED NEUTRAL IN THE WAR BETWEEN two Holies.
270ANS:- It is the belief of AHLUSSUNNAH that Saiyiduna Ali was on AL HAQQ AL
271IJTIHADI. A person have right to change is Ijtihadi views. But this cannot be
272a HUJJAH on other Muhaqqiqin and MujtahidIn particularly S:AH:ABAH RD.
273In the dispute if some S:ah:a:bah changed their sides or positions, this
274cannot be a proof that their final opinion was correct.
275 It maybe the case that initially their position was more sound then the final
276position. Further Not All the S:ah:abah changed their views, and this is
277SUFFICIENT that the IJTIHADI opinion of any one of them was not the final
278JUDJEMENT on the disputed issue. If Caliph ALI was on Right IN THE War ,
279even then it cannot be proved from the change of opinion of some S:ah:abah
280RD , who so ever they may be. There Nouns are not mentioned as it is
281beyond the scope of this discussion. But they are known to all those who
282have studied books of H:ADI:S:. AND HISTORY.
283Comments on objection 4 and objection 3
284 IT MAY BE NOTED THAT THE OBJECTION IS IRRELATIVE AND TO CONSIDER IT
285RELATIVE IS A FALLACY. SUCH SHIFTING DOES NOT PROVE THAT MUAVIAH
286RD and his supporters SHALL GO IN HELL IN QIYAMAH as argued from the
287part of h:adi:s:. .It is possible that one may some how infer from the h:adi:s:.
288that saiyiduna muaviyah rd: was in error of ijtiha:d, but this is not the issue.
289The issue is that ravafid: explicitly and ali mirza [hemi/semi rafid:I] implicitly
290try tosay that this h:adis:. Says that muaviah rd ,his supporters and his
291army men who fought from his side are either in hell or shall go in hell [al
292ayaz billah taa:la:] . also the said inference is not so strong either.
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294OBJECTION 5
295A S:AH:ABI ABU GHAD-RAH RD accepted that he had killed SAIYIDNA AMMAR
296RD. And he belonged to the camp of SAIYIDNA
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297MUA:VIYAH RD. So at least he is defenseless if not all the Army men of the
298huge army of Saiyiduna Muaviyah RD.
299ANS:= The purpose of this research paper is to refute the allegation that
300Muaviyah and a all his supporters and his army men are in Hell, which is
301argued from the text of the H:adi:s:. stated above. The purpose of this
302EXCOGITATION is not to defend the said S:AH:A:BI RD. The excogitation in the
303paper hath done its job. To discuss the S:AH:ABI stated in the OBJECTION 5 is
304beyond the scope of this work \ research paper. However it may be discussed
305latter.
306NOTE:-This response is under the supposition of lines 77 and 78 on page 3 of
307this research paper,assuming these two suppositions as true (FOR SAKE OF
308ARGUMENTS).

A POSSIBLE EXCUSE OF HERETIC ALI

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311Ali Mirza may attempt to defend his position by saying that he has not said
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313A] He has never said that SAIYIDUNA MUA:VIYAH and His supporters shall go
314to hell.
315B] He has said several times that it is prohibited to say disgracing words
316against Saiyiduna Mua:viah RD and his supporters etc.
317So the accusation of RAFIDIAH [ or in new terms TARAFFUD:] is incorrect.
318ANS:319These are just tricks of ITHNA: ASHRI:YAH,Mirzaiyah, and missionaries,
320which are adopted by the intelligent mind of the Engineer. They provide
321materials without proper explanations and correct interpretations in
322intelligently designed contexts such that a person is likely to conclude from
323the literal meanings what so ever the desire to conclude .They actually
324compel a person to reach at a result which they wants to. This same trick is
325used by ENGINEER ALI MIRZA.
326Several SCHOLARS WHO HAVE read the research papers of the Engineer
327have agreed upon the fact that he is a Rafid:I and he arrange the materials in
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329A] All those who fought against Caliph ALI RD were heretic .
330[Thus a person is compelled to conclude that Saiyiduna Mua:Aviya RD, Saiyadatuna
331A:ishah RD etc. all are heretic. AL AYA:Z:. BILLAH TAA:LA;]
332B]Saiyiduna Mua:viah RD used to transgress the AH:ADI:S:. Of HOLY
333PROPHET S.A.V.S and Laws of Shariah.
334[This ALLIGATION directly imply that He was a FASIQ , AL AYA:Z:. BILLAH TA:A:LA: . A person who do
335not have any proper knowledge and accurate interpretation or is extreme literalist is
336compelled to conclude what is stated above. AL AYA:Z:. BILLAH TAA:LA:].
337C]Muaviyah RD IMPRECATED Ali RD.
338 [ A person is compelled to conclude that this imprecation was reversed
339ALAYA:Z BILLAHI TAA:LA: , Since it is said that one who imprecates a person
340who does not deserve to be imprecated , the imprecation is reversed
341.Engineer Ali Mirza very cleverly attempts to shew that the Companion of the
342Holy Prophet was imprecated by his own act. Al AYA:Z:. BILLAH TAA:LA:]
343D] He deliberately used this H:ADI:S:. [WHICH IS ABOUT Saiyiduna AMMA:R]
344in very wrong context.
345E] All the false accusations against Muaviyah RD in the book KHILAFAH VA
346MULIKIYAH which were based upon incorrect and weak traditions of books of
347History, and lacked historicity, were attempted to be supported by the
348traditions of books of H:ADI:S:. with very dangerous contexts intelligently
349designed to misguide a person, based upon pure literal approach.
350F] He even try to ascribe errors to Saiyiduna Umar RD and some other
351S:AH:BAH RD see the paper about the event of Q-rtas and Qalam,
352G,1] He even tried to prove that all those S:AH:ABAH RD who said the word
353HAJARA in the H:adi:s:. Of Q-rt:a:s committed a DIS-GRACE for the Holy
354Prophet S.A.V.S.
355G,2] Engineer Ali Mirza either does make the prior context or the posterior
356context of his lecture or so called research paper in favour of Calif Ali RD
357embedded in Ultra Extremism by referring to Attainments and virtues
358[FAD:A:IL]of Caliph ALI RD in tradition of Ah:adi:s like MAN CUNTU
359MAULA..etc. Then suddenly he refers to some acts ascribed to ALI RD or
360Muaviah RD like Ali Impricated Muaviah RD or Muaviah RD imprecated ALI
361RD, with out any true explanation and with out proper INTERPRETATION of
362such ACTS and those FADA:IL, which does
compel a person to reach on an
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363INCORRECT result that neither Ali RD was a cordial friend of Muaviah RD
364nor Muaviah RD was a cordial friend of ALI RD. One does not stops hear but
365the inertia of his movement and thinking in this line of action, further compel
366a person rather make it imperative to conclude that Saiyiduna Mua:viah RD
367violated the AH:A:DI:S like MAN CUNTU MAULA. Etc. A the prior or
368posterior context [ or both] designed intelligently is expremely dangerous
369for a mind who does not understand the issue in its true perspective and is
370ignorant of USUL AND QAVAID [Principles and Rules/Laws]. Designed with evil
371intelligence, Engineer Ali Mirza induces Rafid;iah in minds of innocent Sunnis.
372[Innocence does not mean Infallibility]. How ever it is clear that such tricks of
373intelligent design of contexts is not his invention , but is adopted from
374Missionaries,Ravafid: and Mirzais[ both Qadya:nis and Lahoris\Lahorites].
375This does shew that Ali Mirza is atleast a secret agent of any one of them or
376atmost all of them. In the latter case it is very alarming situation of all Sunni
377sects that the MUST neglect their intrinsic differences [in particular TAQLID
378AND ADAM ATTAQLID, etc.]and unite to face the new threat to the Truth of
379Sunnism
380Ali Mirza doesnot stops here , he proceeds further which are discussed
381below:=.
382[ I t well known that even the smallest act of DISGRACE of HOLY PROPHET
383S.A.V.S is
384CUFR/KUFR. Thus a person is compelled to conclude that All those who said
385the word HAJARA became Cafir\Kafir Immediaely as the uttered thi word of
386disgrace. This is certainly a FALSE ACCUSATION ON S:AH:ABAH RD]
387H] He even consider that Division of Thirty Parts Of Qura:n is a FLAW [ S-Q-M] in
388Copies of Qura:n . Al Aya:z:. Billah Taa:la:. .
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Muslim cannot say such a thing against the thirty division of Qura:n, and one
390who says such a thing against the said divisions of Qura:n cannot be a Muslim,
391even if he was a scholar of Islam before saying such a cufr/kufr.] .
392May

ALL-H Punish such persons with out any exception . A:MI:N

393One may see our research paper (1,A), and (1,B) in this regard.
394I] He declairs all those scholars Of Ahlussunnah who try to defend
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396And declairs their Apologies or Defenses or Refutations of such accusations
397as NAS:IBIYAH. AL AYA:Z:. BILLAHI TAALA: .
398J] He tries to prove that SAIYIDUNA MUAVIYAH RD and His Father Saiyiduna
399ABU SUFYA:N RD embraced ISLAM when they had only two choices. A] To
400accept Islam. B] To be killed.
401[This approach does compel a person to conclude that they[RD]
402embraced Islam unwillingly and in heart they had not accepted
403ISLA:M properly (relatively a weak case of RAFID:IYAH, but
404sufficiently strong to expel a person from the SUPER SECT OF
405AHLUSSUNNAH) or were Munafiq \hypocrite (strong case of
406RAFID:IYAH).AL AYA:Z. BILLAH TAALA: . So it is CRYSTAL clear that
407only an embedded RAFID:I: can say such a thing.]
408These accusations are so dangerous that if they are assumed to be true,
409then one has to conclude necessarily that Mua:viah RD and his companions
410were not worthy of being SAH:ABAH. [AL AYA:Z BILLAH TAALA:]. In this
411case it is clear that Engineer ALI Mirza is a Rafid:i.. Once a person agrees
412with him that Muaviah RD was a Fasiq [Nauz:.uBillah ], he shall
413Not listen to him and shall began to say it openly that Muaviyah RD was a
414fasiq and deserved to be cursed or impricatred.
415This is what Ali Mirza Of Jhelum wants to. A very dangerous Conspiracy
416indeed.
417K] He claims that translation of M-S:N-F IBN ABI SHI-BAH shall make an
418explosion [obviously in Sunnism (which is understood in his lectures)
419particularly in the article of faith Cull AS:HA:B ADU:L ,ie in the Article Of
420Faith about S:AH:ABAH , (AL AYA:Z BILLAHI TAA:LA:}],as if No Sunni Scholar have
421read the Original Arabic Text. AL AYA:Z BILLAH TAA:LA: , and as if he has
422discovered some thing which was in isolation since ages. Such tricks may
423convince his audience , but INSHA ALLAH cannot Harm any
424L] Last in our discussion but not in the lectures and so called research papers
425of Mirza Sahib , is as folow:
426Can Engineer Mirza STATE how he explain that MUAVIAH RD AND HIS
427SUPPORTERS would not go to hell, and the part of Hadis which says the
428Murderers of Ammar would be INVITING him to HELL (which according to
429Engineer includes Muaviah RD), if he really believe do not believe that
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431time in Qiyamah. The only possible answer which is anticipated from
432studying his so called research papers and fallacious lectures is that he most
433probably say , I cannot say what shall happen in Qiya:mah, whether
434Mua:viah and his supporters shall go to hell or not is not known to me, AND
435LET God decide on this day AL AYA:Z BILLAH TA:A:LA: .
436[ALLAH KNOWETH BETTER HOW THIS HERETIC ATTEPTS TO DEFEND HIS POSITION ON THIS OBJECTION
437BUT IT IS MOST PROBABLE SUGGESTED RESPONSE ]
438On

the contrary We believe neither Ali nor Muaviah [RAD:I

439YALLAHU ANHUMA:] shall go in Hell. We believe ALLAH is RAD:I:
440with both of them as an IJMA: .
441It must be noted that dispute of heretics from anIJMA: from CANNOT MAKE
442the IMA: to cease.
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interpreting approach [of H:adi:s:. AMMA:R RD etc]

446may be given latter. But this is beyond the scope of this
447research paper.
448Notes:-

Although Zubair Ali Zai was a strict literalist and

449an extremist who even declaired that Imam Sh-cani RH
450was not an AHLULH:ADI:S:. [It is evident that he was
451reverted to Ahlussunnah from Shaiah Zaidiyah. Zubair
452Ali Zai is certainly wrong at this place.]. However inspite
453of his extreme literalism , it is very unlikely and strongly
454improbable that he was in trouble over this H:ADI:S: ,and
455was against MUA:VIYAH RD ].
456Engineer

Ali Mirza has falsely ascribed to him what he has

457ascribed in this regard. But if he is truly ascribeing such
458words then , no one can accept Shaikh Ali Zai. Since
459Mua:viyah was so great that persons like Shaikh Ali Zai
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no right to say such words against SAIYIDUNA

461Mua:viyah RD: .
462A

request to all Muslims:=

463For

the sake of Islam please do not Read the so called

464research paper of Heretic Engineer Ali Mirza , for he is
465very dangerous to Islam . He is denies the sanctity and
466sacraments of S:AH:ABAH RD.
467Engineer

Ali is Mirza yet he addeth not an I after the last

468part of his noun, he is no less Dangerous than them.
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