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5th-June-2012,06:42 PM

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About five vimuttaayatana in AN(5,26)

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AN(5,26) Vimuttaayatana Sutta explains five possible cases that a monk

gain Samadhi which leads to avimutta.m vaa citta.m vimuccati,
aparikkhii.naa vaa aasavaa parikkhaya.m gacchanti, ananuppatta.m vaa
anuttara.m yogakkhema.m

I guess the Samadhi mentioned here like 5th type of ariyo-pancangikasammasamadhi in AN(5,28)

Which seems to me an upacaara state which most probably after jhana

or sometimes before jhana (for some cases as a person listening closely
to Buddha or giving a talk?)which his hindrances disappeared, with
powerful mindfulness for reflection.

Bhante, do you agree with me? Please correct me if Im wrong.

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14th-June-2012,09:59 AM

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This is how I would interpret AN5:26.

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Firstly, there may be some significance to the v, "or", in avimutta v

citta vimuccati, aparikkh v sav parikkhaya gacchanti,
ananuppatta v anuttara yogakkhema anupputi. The v only
makes sense if these three are referring to different things. I would
suggest citta vimuccati here refers to jhna, the jhnas being
temporary liberations. sav parikkhaya gacchanti I would then
understand as referring to some savs coming to an end, but not all.
This would then refer to any of the first three stages of awakening. It is
only anuttara yogakkhema anupputi that I would regard as the full
attainment of arahantship. This structure fits with the usual gradual
exposition of the Buddha'sd teachings.

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About five vimuttaayatana in AN(5,26)

The main body of the sutta refers to four ways of reflecting on the
Dhamma (including listening to it and teaching it to others). Based on
this reflection the person gains samdhi. The implication is that this
samdhi then leads to the three benefits mentioned above. The question
is, do these three benefits occur while he is reflecting (including listening
to) the Dhamma? I think there are at least two ways of looking at this.

Firstly, someone may be a regular jhna attainer. When he or she then

listens to the Dhamma, or reflects on it, their mind is already pure.
Because of this it is easy for them to gain "inspiration in the Dhamma"
and they are able to obtain deep insights on the spot.

Alternatively, a person may not be a regular jhna attainer, but

nevertheless gains inspiration while listening to or relfecting on the
Dhamma. They then retire to their kuti for solitude and use the
inspiration to deepen their meditation to the point of jhna and/or deep
insight.

Is this the same as the 5th type of ariya-pacagika-samm-samdhi of

AN5:28? I am not sure. I tend to think of this fifth type of samdhi as
something that occurs after jhna and that involves the contemplation of
the jhnas themselves. The samdhi at AN5:26, by contrast, arises due
to inspiration in the Dhamma.

With metta.
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