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Samya Chatterjee
Niranjan Sahoo
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Lack of Political Will: Political parties across the board are not
interested in genuine reforms; such reforms would essentially be a
threat to the prevalent political structure which suits their needs. The
absence of a law on disclosure of expenditure by political parties has
become a major reason for unaccounted funds. Furthermore, the
provision that donations less than ` 20,000 need not be disclosed was
being abused as a cover for illegal sourcing of funds; while declaring that
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Lessons from the German Model: Scholars from Germany held that
the German model, which was essentially a judicious mix of donations,
membership fees and State-funding (accounting for 25-30 per cent of
the funds), could be worth considering. Donations to political parties
were based on the criterion of the votes they had polled in the previous
elections. It was held that the media played a key role in ensuring that all
political parties and their sources of funding were regularly scrutinised.
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solution. But in most instances, as my friend and colleague Rudy would bear me
out, it is not really so much about inducement; it is also about a certain sense of
prestige, a certain sense of local influence which people have now started
wanting after they have made money through legitimate means. They see it as
the next step in the upward progression of not only their careers but themselves
as a personality or the extended family which they have. So, the bottom-line is
that the role of money in the electoral process, notwithstanding the vigilance of
the Election Commission, is actually not decreasing, it is increasing.
What is also happening simultaneously is that the vigilance of the Election
Commission is driving a lot of this money underground; with the ban on
posters, banners, the use of or non-use of loudspeakers and other forms of
propaganda or dissemination of your point of view, a chunk of the money is
going into nefarious ways of campaigning. Eventually, whether this has an
impact or not, on the final outcome, I think the jury is really out on it. I have
heard and various people around this table also may have heard that a potential
voter actually takes from everybody who has a freebie to offer and then
ultimately votes in a way that he thinks is judicious. I can relate an anecdote from
my own campaign in the Lok Sabha poll campaign in May 2009.
We were in the last phase of campaigning and there were candidates against me.
They actually put out what in Punjabi is called, the shabeelshabeel is a kind of an
open invitation to everybody to come and drink and party. How much impact it
had at the end of the day, I really do not know. If somebody after availing a
freebie can still be judicious, then I think we must compliment his very robust
commonsense and not really try and denigrate it by saying that he is selling
himself short or he is being purchased. Possibly he is being more clever than
everybody else put together. So, that is the other side of the coin in so far as
increased spending is concerned.
The third issue of course is how political parties are financed. I think there is
increasing transparency with regard to general corporate financing because
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increasingly more and more corporates have been moving away from the
traditional methods of non-tax compliance to possibly a more robust way of
trying to comply with whatever are the statutory tax limits, whether in terms of
corporate income-tax or in other taxation statutes. That definitely is having a
blow-back effect on political-funding. Increasingly, you would see that more and
more money does come in through the regular, accounted cheque process than
in briefcases or boxes or sacks or whatever other means of transportation. So, I
think, you are possibly seeing some sort of a positive development.
On the issue of how we can make this entire process more robust in terms of it
being accountable, being up in the public sphere for everybody to look at and
then be able to draw conclusions and comment about itas I said earlier, I really
don't have a solution. The more that I have tried to think through the process,
the more I am coming to the conclusion that possibly the only manner in which
we would really be able to achieve a certain amount of probity in terms of
electoral finance or campaign finance or funding of political parties is by
looking at a programmatic paradigm shift in the way our polity is
structuredwhich is by insulating the Executive processes completely from the
Legislative processes.
Now, whether that is feasible or there would be a broad consensus on that, I do
not know. These are my personal views and not the views of the Congress Party.
I do not think by this superficial policing, even with the best of intentions, we
are really getting anywhere in making people observe or adhere to (spending)
limits.
Mr. Rajiv Pratap Rudy (Member of Parliament, BJP)
It just happened that this morning I had called Manish to discuss about Punjab
politics. There are two of us sitting here, both spokespersons of our respected
political parties and both have been in politics for the last 30 years. I was the
president of my college (union), became an MLA in Bihar and have spent 25
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years doing exactly what a hardcore politician in India does. The same has been
the case with Manish. For the last couple of months I have been thinking
seriously about campaign finance; today, I am very happy that someone from
across the political spectrum has spoken some keywords which are so
important. I look at the mess which we have created in the last 64 years. Now I
am 50, I became an MLA at 26. Looking back I feel that (a) I have wasted my 25
years and (b) I have to do something.
On the national canvas we see two things happening in this country which
possibly may not be associated. One is the Anna Hazare campaign talking about
honesty and corruption, which is obvious. We all are associating with it directly
and we are saying that this great thing is happening, that the country needs a
debate and there should be honesty and we should have a legislation for the
purpose. This is urban anger which is now getting reflected against the political
class. This anger is about many more things; there is anger about
unemployment, about new cars, about the capacity to grow in life, etc. All that
has got clubbed together and people say that politicians have created havoc in
the system.
There is another thing happening in society which possibly we are not talking
about today. This, I have analysed and will illustrate with an example. I had gone
for a lecture to the National Police Academy (Hyderabad); some figures for
2001 and 2011 prompt me to make this remark. In 2001 the number of people
who were killed in terrorist attacks or by terror actions in this country, including
civilians, paramilitary forces, army and the terrorists, was around 3,500-4,000.
The number of people in 2001 who were killed in Naxalite violence was around
400. In 2011, the number of people who were killed in Naxal violence was
around 1000, and the number of people killed in terrorist activities was around
400.
The writing is absolutely clear on the wall. Today, out of 642 districts in this
country, almost 225 districts are virtually not being controlled (by the
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government) but are in the grip of severe Naxal violence. I position these two
points: The Constitution which we have adopted, which is sacrosanct., the
Government has moved to amend it 115 times and got it amended 94 times.
And, we have thrown up a democracy which is possibly, I believe, quite
dysfunctional.
When we talk about election funding, my basic question is, why does any
individual who has to contest as an MLA/MP, why would he require so much of
money? For example, in Goa, with four Lok Sabha seats, each candidate,
whether from the Congress or the BJP (or other political parties), would be
spending ` 5-7 crore on one seat. I have been in charge of Goa (affairs in the
BJP), and we have seen money being given there. The question arises, for that
matter even in Uttar Pradesh and Uttarakhand, why should an X amount of
money be required to contest elections? What prompts a candidate to spend so
much of money? Why? My requirement for an election could be that I have to
set up a stage, I have to hire a car, I have to visit the place, my transportation
expense could be there, I could paint a poster, I can have an ad, I can have
pamphlets, that would cost me an X amount of moneybut why do I need this
huge amount of money? I need that money because I have to position myself in
a manner that it becomes a business proposition. So, how can the government
or any political funding process match the business aspiration of a politician?
What Manish says is that in the system that we have, elected representatives
continue to occupy Executive positionslike an MLA who gets elected from
the majority party would further position himself to become a Minister or hold
a position of power, have a red light, have an authority. So, his entire working
ethos of getting elected is not on the basis of what you would call a legislator.
Take Uttar Pradesh, where 403 MLAs have to be elected; maybe you can find 10
good people, or even 20, 30, or 40. But what is the incentive that will attract only
the right people to contest elections? Manish and I have chosen to be in politics.
Most of us have not chosen to be in politics because it does not really pay you
back. The Westminster model of government (that India has adopted)
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prescribes that in order of preference, the first criterion is caste. So, the first
fundamental to look for in a candidate is caste. The second fundamental that
political parties look for in a candidate is class, whether he is an OBC, Forward,
Backward, etc. Caste would be, "I am a Thakur, he is a Brahmin" etc. The third
criterion by which political parties choose candidates, which we have been doing
over the years, is religion; whether he is from the minority, whether he is a
Hindu, Muslim or Sikh, etc. The fourth criterion is geographical location,
whether he comes from Bundelkhand, Uttarakhand, from the North, South etc.
The last criterion, which is quite incidental, is merit.
I have many arguments to prove the point I am making. I was looking into the
figures of the cash recovered (by the Election Commission). In Punjab, the cash
recovered was ` 12 crore and illicit liquor ` 32 lakh litres7.18 lakh bottles of
X, Y and Z. I want to understand, how would you take care of this, how would
the State take care of this, as well as the distribution of hashish and opium? Why
should an election process require all this? Why? Because you have created a
system which you say is the most functional system and that the last man is
coming to vote, etc. I think during Partition, (then British Prime Minister)
Clement Atlee had said that India does not deserve this political (Westminster)
system, but we politicians said, No, no. since they are saying so, this is the best
system. Now, what has happened actually, where have we landed up? We are
not picking up a debate on this subject because it suits the political class, it suits
me, it suits Manish.
An aspect which most of us are refusing to acknowledge is that we have already
come to a point where we are having a referendum; it is no more a majoritarian
form of government. You look at Tamil Nadu, the reference is between
Jayalalitha and Karunanidhi, you look iat Bihar, the election is between Laloo
Prasad and Nitish Kumar, you look at UP, the election is between Mayawati and
Mulayam Singh, you look at Punjab, it is between Amrinder Singh and Prakash
Singh Badal, you look at Gujarat, it is a platform of the BJP but the referendum
is Narendra Modi versus others. We have already reached the point where we are
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militates against the use of money power in a wanton display of the ability to
spend money to influence voting. While you are completely right that there
cannot be any isolated reform in funding of elections or politics in general and it
is more a systemic thing, the solutions that have been suggested, I don't think,
are the ones that will help you change anything.
Mr. Anil Bairwal: As Mr. Tewari has said and Mr. Rudy has alluded to, people
are already spending so much money on elections. Questions are being asked
about too much power being given to the Election Commission, that while it is
not allowing any movement of money, underground money is being used for
campaigning. Even if the Government was to provide campaign-funding, when
people are spending ` 18-20 crore and showing ` 16 lakh as spent, is the legallysanctioned spending for an Assembly poll candidate going to make any
difference?
Mr. Rudy spoke about trying to bring meritorious candidates into the system.
How is this going to come about, when today there is a complete lack of
transparency in how most parties select their candidates? Workers of a political
party have no powers whatsoever in deciding what happens in the party;
everything is decided by the High Command. In fact in UP our analysis shows
that the number of candidates with a criminal background who have been given
party tickets has actually increased compared to the last elections; from 28 per
cent to 38 per cent. A word about the working of political parties: I completely
agree that until we find a way to somehow regulate the functioning of political
parties, bring in more transparency in their functioning and everything that they
do, including inner-party politics, we are trying to just fix things which will not
solve the basic problems that we are aiming at.
Mr. Manish Tewari: As far as the issue of party-financing and electionfinancing is considered, it is important to consider the American model where
the funds are given to intermediaries or citizen committees, which distribute
the funds. But in the US they have a strong democratic tradition and citizens'
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person who is going to get elected has to give 100 undertakings that he is a very
nice man. So, this is the system.
You have a democracy where the late Rajiv Gandhi came in with 401 seats in
Parliament; he brought in an anti-defection law which stated that only if onethird of the elected members of a party got together could they break that party.
So, we were very scared that all these genuine elected people would switch
loyalties Then in 2003 there was my Government, an NDA Government,
which said that you needed two-thirds majority to jump sides. You are passing
laws just to tame politicians, where the basic (premise) is that every individual is
eyeing for a position.
What we are suggesting is that the present format of the electoral system is so
messy that all the issues come back to the same point: How do you find the right
people in politics? Why does the present system not allow the right people to
come in politics? This is why we say we need to have a debate; we know nothing
is going to happen. We are a part of the system. Manish will take over further
from here.
Mr. Tewari: I just wanted to endorse what Rudy was saying. In the political
lexicon we have a term called 'winnability', which is a veneer that insulates a
person from the most heinous of crimes. I think what Rajiv is advocating is
something which needs to be looked at seriously. It may not be a perfect solution
but it is a solution nonetheless. Till you do not have a complete hiatus, a
complete divorce between Executive functions and legislative functions, your
ability to be able to either clean up elections or police that clean-up is going to be
ineffective; there is no way in which you will be able to do it.
The Election Commission has been very pro-active for the last 21 years. We
have also gone on television and praised the Election Commission for the
excellent work they do; to be very honest to them, their observers and the
people they deploy actually try and do their job to the best of their ability; but,
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then, you are sending a person from a particular State, let us say Andhra Pradesh,
to Punjab, and the poor fellow does not understand the language, he does not
know the lay of the land and he has been there for only five or seven days. So, he
tries to correct the situation based on whatever little inputs he gets. But, as I was
pointing out earlier, when you juxtapose a limit of ` 16 lakh against an expense
of ` 20 crore, how are you going to handle the matter?
The only way that you can possibly make a beginning is by looking at larger
systemic reforms; you have an election for an Executive process, put that
Executive under a Lok Pal or or whatever 'pal' you want and have the most
robust anti-corruption laws in place. This way you may be able to get a handle on
Executive corruption. As far as the legislative process is concerned, if you
insulate it in this manner, you may not have a 100 per cent success rate but I
entirely agree with Rudy that you may have to begin with a 30 per cent, 40 per
cent or even 50 per cent success rate and you can keep on improving upon it. But
if you continue this way, the way that we are goingit is not going to help.
You talked about helicopters, about people's pressure in Kerala. Honestly, that is
a miniscule expense. I think the public uproar was completely uncalled for
because if somebody has to criss-cross a State and uses a helicopter, probably it
is hardly any expense at all, ` 2 lakh a day or something of that sort. This is
hardly anything compared to the amount of money which actually gets spent. If
you take the case of Punjab, it is not alcohol any longer, not even opium; it is
cocaine, Ecstasy and designer drugs. So, therefore, if at all we want to do
something seriously about this, let us think very seriously about what Rudy has
said, let us try and develop on it, maybe we will get somewhere. This artificial
policing or this kind of a gloss which we are trying to put on, is not going to
work.
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levels, and make it open to challenge by watchdog bodies and by other political
parties, and institute an expanded body of the Election Commission as the
moderator who will actually validate the expenditure, things can change. Sure,
some money that is spent on buying drugs that are illegal might not be reflected
but a large part of the expenditure of political parties would be reflected
because other parties and watchdog bodies could contest the low claim of any
party. This expenditure should be explained in terms of source. There is no
reason why this cannot be done.
You might say Mayawati claims that the vast majority of the money she collected
came through small contributions from people and could not be recorded. This
might have been a possible excuse 20 years ago. Today, it is possible to have
small, hand-held machines that can be connected to some computer server that
can record every single contribution by any donor, even in smaller
denominations of ` 5 and ` 10, and generate a receipt for it. The question is: do
we have the political will to do this? We have already reformed the economy to a
large extent. State discretion now exists only in some sectors, primarily land and
mining lease, or wherever natural assets are involved. The more you bring in
rules of transparency in conducting Government business and reduce the role
of arbitrary discretion, more transparency will prevail in political funding. The
reason why there is so much of support for Anna Hazare and his reformers is
because now those sections of society have emerged which are prospering
without any Government patronage. They are victims of extortion; they pay
money to politicians and to civil servants. They are doing it not because they
have got patronage but because they are victims, they just have to pay. They are
actually getting nothing from the system but they are made to pay, and this is
getting articulated as support for the demand for a Lok Pal.
It is completely within our ability to clean up the system, starting from
monitoring expenditure to forcing parties to disclose their sources of finance.
We should regulate political parties, have a separate law to govern the conduct
of political parties, make inner-party democracy mandatory, make selection of
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candidates on the basis of primaries as is done in the US, i.e. the candidates
actually have to win the support of registered party members. Radical reforms
will require possibly the right to recall, the right to reject a candidate; you would
have proportional representation; you can have various changes in the polity but
even without such thorough reforms, it is possible to greatly reduce corruption
in politics.
Mr. S. K. Mendiratta, Legal Advisor, The Election Commission of India
As has been rightly said, the law relating to disclosures by political parties is
absolutely absent today. Under the law there is a ceiling fixed for the expenditure
of a candidate but there is no ceiling on the expenditure of any political party.
Some question was raised about ` 16 lakh being the spending-limit and ` 20
crore being spent; if you see our record, in 95 per cent of the cases in the last
elections, the returns from the candidates show that most of them have spent
only ` 8 or ` 9 lakh. Beyond that nobody has spent. So, we should ask the
question, why should we not reduce the limit if you are able to contest elections
with ` 8-9 lakh?
On transparency in funding, for the last 15-20 years we have been asking for a
beginning with an annual audit of political parties' accounts by a panel cleared
by the Comptroller and Auditor-General (CAG) or the Election Commission,
which would be made public. In 1998, the Government set up the Indrajit
Gupta Committee on State funding. I happened to be the Secretary of that
Committee. One of the issues related to the audit and publication of political
party funds by independent auditors. There were nine political parties; all major
political parties were represented on that committee; our present Prime
Minister Dr. Manmohan Singh was a member; so were Mr. Somnath Chatterjee
and Mr. Vijay Kumar Malhotra. Every political party said the present system was
okay: they had very competent chartered accountants, they got their accounts
audited, so what was the need for independent auditors and why should the
political parties publish the audited accounts? This was a very minor thing for
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them. The present law says that parties that collect more than ` 20,000 in
donations have to send an annual list to the Election Commission before filing
returns with the income-tax authorities. Most political parties are not submitting
the list; they say all their individual collections are of less than ` 20,000. Parties
that have filed, even if they have collected crores of rupees, hardly show a few
donations above ` 20 lakh. This is the situation.
The Election Commission can go only by the law which is given to us by
Parliament; we can't do anything on our own, though sometimes we have done
something that is not provided for in the law. Sometimes we get the flak for that,
and sometimes we get appreciation also. This particular exercise which we are
now undertaking regarding the seizure of money and keeping a check on the
flow of cash and other things during the current round of elections, even for
that at least 10 or 12 petitions were filed before the Madras High Court. They
were saying, "even while walking on the road or travelling, we are being
subjected to harassment". We had to explain it all to the court, and fortunately
for us the court was very sympathetic to us. It observed: If you have to bear a
little inconvenience and if more public good is served, you please bear with it.
That is why the Election Commission was able to collect about ` 70 crore. Even
in the last elections in Punjab, at least 37 kilos of heroin was seized, and so were
bottles of liquor and other things. Punjab used to be known as the land of five
rivers. Now they say sharaab has become the sixth river .
'Winnability' has been raised as one of the issues. If you say that the other party
has put up a dacoit, so I will also put up a dacoit, then nothing can be achieved.
Since 1998, we have been suggesting that those candidates who are facing
serious charges of murder, dacoity, rape, etc., where the punishment is more
than five years and the court has framed the charges, they should be temporarily
barred from contesting elections. We took care and further suggested that the
charges should have been framed at least one year before the election so that if
somebody is aggrieved he can go to a higher court and have the charges set aside
or stayed.
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Chair: Before opening up the floor to questions and comments, I would like to
give the issue some historical perspective. The origin of the malaise, of the
dependence, enormous dependence on unaccounted money and of extremely
high levels of election expenditure, unaccounted election expenditure, may
have been in 1969, when corporate donations to political parties were banned. It
was made legal again, under Section 293 of the Companies Act, only in 1985. In
1969, in the context of a highly regulated import-substituting economy,
corporate donations were banned; the question arose as to where an adequate
legal source of funds would be available for political parties.
State-funding was introduced in a range of countries through the 1960s, 1970s
and 1980s; you can have a range of designs for State-funding; it can be full Statefunding, on a vote-share basis, on a per-vote basis, on a reimbursement basis; it
can be partial, on a matching-grant basis or against private funds raised. In 1969,
when you banned legal corporate funding of political parties without
substituting it with State-funding, you created a huge vacuum, which meant that
parties were willy-nilly forced to go under the table, to the black money
economy, and were dependent progressively on unaccounted funds.
Then you have another development in 1975, when in the 'Kanwarlal Gupta vs
Amarnath Chawla, case, the Supreme Court said that party expenditure should
also be counted into a candidate's expenditure-limit. The Government
amended the law and appended explanation (i) to Section 77(1) of the
Representation of the People Act, to say that party spending will not be counted
for the purposes of the candidate's expenses limit and, therefore, parties can
spend any amount. The candidate has a fixed limit which has been revised
progressively, which for a Lok Sabha seat is now ` 40 lakh, which is a very small
amount compared to the actual amount that gets spent. Effectively, you
removed all expenditure limits because parties could spend as much as they
liked; even after the 2003 amendment brought in by the NDA Government,
where candidates had to declare what their party spent on them, if a party claims
that it does not mention the name of the candidate, does not associate its
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funding with the candidate, it says it is just propagating the party programmes,
then it falls outside the spending limit for a candidate.
The combination of what happened in 1969 and then in 1975 was that you had
no adequate legal source of spending till corporate-funding was reintroduced as
legal in 1985; you had a highly regulated economy where the licence raj was very
much in place; you also had unlimited party-spending, which meant that you had
an arms race between parties at the time of elections. Even the re-introduction
of corporate-funding in 1985 really made no difference because by that time the
dependence on unaccounted money had become deeply entrenched in the
system; also, until 2003, there was no tax incentive. There was the fear of lack of
anonymity, and of being penalised by the party which you did not fund, if it
came to power some time in the future. So, the entrenchment of political parties
in the unaccounted economy became very deep. Although, as Mr. Manish
Tewari said, the 2003 amendments have introduced a degree of transparency,
and more and more companies are now contributing by cheque and claiming
tax-deduction, it is still a small percentage of the actuals.
Now, what do we do about this? As I said at the beginning, there are four types
of regulation of elections and parties: limits on expenditures, limits on
contributions like in the US and public-funding of some kind or the other. It
can be designed in various ways and forms with different types of reporting and
disclosure requirements. So, in principle, one way is to tightly monitor
expenditure and also link it to a tight monitoring of contributions, like what Mr
Arun suggested. But you have other systems also. In the US, there is no limit on
expenditure, but it is relatively clean. You don't have this kind of corruption
because there are very strict reporting and disclosure requirements.
Remove what is basically a farcical cap on expenditure. Why have candidatelimits of ` 40 lakh when you exempt parties, and effectively make it a
meaningless limit. Why have it all then? Do away with it and focus on having
strict disclosure. There are cash and unaccounted contributions; even if you
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economic activities. There are parties who have publishing houses, etc. This is
regarding the financing.
Maybe a line on the way public financing is being done. It is strictly in correlation
to the success or the votes the party gained in the previous elections. For
example, for every vote a party gets it gets a certain amount of money, and it also
is in correlation to the membership fees. For every euro a party gets as
membership fees they get a certain amount of cents in public-financing. So, all
in all, there is a complex system.
Having said that, we also have a very strict system of accountability and of
disclosure. In fact, every party has to disclose its income and its expenditure,
annually, and these disclosures are being supervised or checked by the
administration of Parliament. It is obviously bad to be under the scrutiny of an
administration but it is even worse to be under the scrutiny of the media. Yet, no
system is perfect. In Germany, we have had several cases of black money
pouring into political parties. The good news is that those cases have been made
public in the media and they led to big changes in domestic politics, which led to
the resignation of politicians. So, I would agree with what some people said here
that the key is accountability and disclosure, and German history has shown that
the media plays a key role in pointing fingers at things that go wrong. I will finish
by saying that in my personal opinion, the question whether you have a
parliamentary system or a presidential system must be de-linked from the
question how you finance parties because in any system you would have parties
and in any system you would have parties that gather money and that want to
spend the money in their favour.
Participant: You have heard a political science perspective; I would like to give
an economist's perspective. India is a very complex democracy, at different
stages of building but the crux of the matter is that you have to reform vested
interests by vested interests. Each political party thinks tomorrow it will come to
power. So, all the loopholes should be retained so that when a party comes to
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power, it can make money. It is very important to note that politics has become
business. Economists never thought that public expenditure would be treated
as a milch cow. We thought there would be benign governments, Welfare States,
people full of character and people who would not extract money. In foreign
countries there is the State, but here we have made common people the main
donor. Even if you collect ` 10 per person imagine how much it comes to.
We are not debating merits and demerits; there are so many other concerns and
in a holistic fashion you have to count them. From an economist's angle, we
assume that the system is fair, assume that there are enough checks and balances
and accountability and transparencies which are the pre-requisites of any moral,
political, ethical system of governance, including elections. The idea of
economists was that if parties start collecting money, particularly from business,
businessmen also treat it as an investment. If a businessman gives ` 1 lakh, he
will expect ` 10 lakh in return, sooner the better. The pay-back periods are
getting reduced. Mr. Rudy said the black money component in campaignspending is going up. We are already seeing in every transaction that the black
money portion is going up. So, the idea is not to influence public policy through
money power, it is particularly for influencing business policies, economic
policies to the advantage of a particular corporate house. This is the main idea.
If you isolate it, and if elections are genuinely funded outside of vested interests
who turn public policy for their personal and corporate benefit, the logic of the
economists still remains valid.
But this has now manifested itself in so many other ways that we are simply
overtaken by corruption, we are overtaken by black money; economic reforms
have not helped simply because political reforms, which we all economists now
recognise, are a pre-requisite for good governance. Economic reforms are not
enough by themselves. It has been well said that just focussing on election
campaign funding will not be enough. It will be a brick, an important
component. Don't reduce it to nothing, but for heaven's sake, as Mr. Mendiratta
and others have said, you have to first make sure that there is political will and
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minimum agreement among all political parties for not violating this code of
national responsibility towards cleaning up the system. As of now, no party is
interested. Each party wants to play the same game, Ab tumari baari, aglee baar
hamaari baari aayegi. A corporate would say, reform others, not me, tax others.
Vested interests are tied up together and no one is seriously interested in
reforms, everyone is interested in putting obstacles or leaving enough loopholes
to reap the benefits from non-regulation.
Certainly we need a regulator. If we have learnt anything from reforms, leaving
it to markets would not help, leaving it to Government will not help. Each has a
vested interest, each has fundamental weaknesses of its ownmarket failures,
State failures, and people's failures. People too would like not to pay taxes. No
one is honest to the core. So, under such circumstances the first pre-requisite
will be political reforms of the parties and candidates. Good candidates have to
be certified by various parameters, and people at the grass-root should decide
who should be fielded or not, not the political parties.
Participant: As has been rightly said, apart from public pressure, nothing
works on political parties. I have been in touch with the political system for over
three decades; every time there was a question on whether criminals could be
fielded or not, every political party would find one logic or the other to evade it.
Political parties think that they are above all. That is the most unfortunate thing.
Unfortunately, the entire political class is being seen as a villain, which is not true
because political parties, after all, don't descend from heaven. They also come
from the society. So, society at large has also to be viewed in context. But
political reforms, as has rightly been mentioned, is one vehicle through which
we can achieve many things.
What do we mean by a political party? They, like all other organisations, need to
be audited, need to be regulated. Then comes the question of what kind of
candidates? I am really appalled when political party leaders say that if a
candidate has not been convicted, how can he be debarred from contesting?
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This is absolutely ridiculous and every political party, every political leader
speaks the same language. We have seen the recent issue on the Lok Pal, with all
kinds of arguments to derail the whole process. Somebody talks of federalism;
suddenly federalism becomes such an important issue. Even those parties that
are highly supportive of a strong Centre, they are also talking of federalism. We
have to all agree that unless public pressure is built, political parties are not going
to agree to anything.
Dr. Niranjan Sahoo, Senior Fellow, ORF: Just two issues which caught my
imagination, based on what Mr. T. K. Arun said about disclosures. We can
actually begin with the panchayati raj institutions, egging on others to disclose
more and more information. But here I sincerely feel that the media is actually
missing in action in terms of reporting, in terms of playing the activist role
which it is playing on many other policy issues, be it on the Lok Pal, be it on many
of the other issues relating to environment and other concerns. Some process
has already been started on disclosure, criminal antecedents and many other
things. Now, routinely, a lot of things are coming to public knowledge, like
corporate donations to different political parties. But why are we not getting
actually deeper and looking at it in terms of who donates and whether it has any
linkages to influencing policies adversely or in any one's favour. I am talking
about the crony capitalism aspects, which have come out vividly in the 2-G case.
So, this needs a thorough probing.
Of course, a research organisation like ours and many others also have to play a
role because we don't have much empirical work on this issue, like how much
money is involved, what kind of role it plays in influencing elections or
determining the outcome. We don't know much about it in India unlike in
Europe and the US. They have reams of empirical work to validate many such
arguments. The time has come to actually take this issue very seriously on our
part, apart from expecting the political class and the civil society to take the lead.
Here I sincerely request the media to play an active role because if they don't
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raise this issue, we will get to hear about it only during election time and that too
would pass.
Mr. T.K. Arun: But media has other priorities now.
Dr. Niranjan Sahoo: I know, but this is the mother of all the corruption. It is
not just the Lok Pal. You need systemic reforms on campaign-funding and
restructuring or redesigning of the system so that good candidates are chosen.
This would attract better talent into the system and infuse new blood through
inner-party democracy. This is not happening. There is a typical feudalism that it
is being practiced in the political system. How to break it? Making a beginning is
very important.
Dr. Klaus Julian Voll: I have a question for Mr. Rudy. In the late 1980s, your
party showed a great interest in the German model of party-financing and also
the mixed electoral system. At that time the BJP was a smaller party. You have
obviously lost interest now. If you are so sincere about reducing these
anomalies, wouldn't it be better to start by talking about financial reforms with
regard to political parties? Wouldn't you have to go and see such models which
have been, let us say, practiced in democracies like in Germany?
We have a famous German political philosopher who developed the law of
'eternal oligarchy'. It is there in each power system, and perhaps what you
discussed here about unanimity among political parties is like what a German
theoretician calls 'post-colonial State class' with various symptoms that you all
have mentioned. The question really is how to transform this. I remember
Vajpayee in the 1990s spoke for a presidential system, exactly along your lines,
but suddenly the whole debate was completely closed.
Mr. Rudy: Whatever you all are saying is perfect. If the product that you are
talking about in the system is an MLA or an MP or a councillor, no political party
in the present system would agree to reforms because the numbers have to be
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achieved. All this would prevent that individual, the electability of that
individual, the positioning of that individual.
I am a part of it, I am seeing the disease all around me Yes. We will fail this
country if the elite who are here and many more who I am talking to, if we do
not start. I don't expect this change to happen in my lifetime, I am sure about it,
because the regional political aspirations, individuals, all have come together to
protect (the system). Today in the Punjab elections there was 80 per cent voting,
but the average poll percentage in this country, if you take in last 50 years, has
not crossed 50 per cent. Out of the 50 per cent, the person who gets elected gets
30 per cent. So, a person who gets 1,75,000 votes out of a total of 10 lakh votes
(in a Lok Sabha constituency, for instance) is the elected representative while
those of the 7.5 lakh people who have not voted have no role to play. In urban
constituencies, the literate people, people who can participate in elections,
amidst us, they don't vote. Why don't they vote? In rural areas, those people who
are not so privileged, they vote because of the aspirations, because "this man
(the candidate) is my lifeline. He is going to decide my future, he is going to get
me a job, he is going to get me money".
In Goa, you can check out, on the day of the election the newspaper vendor has
` 2000 in currency notes rolled which he throws into houses. Even as we are
talking about it, we are indulging in it. We need a debate. A political party that
does not have the pressure to have such people elected will definitely subscribe
to all what you are saying. They will put the changes into the system.
We are all talking about transparency. But the end product which you are
demanding is so complicated and is so litigated. The basic assumption of an
individual is so low that we cannot make it, because my electability, my
'winnability' would be completely lost when I put all those formulae that you are
suggesting, into practice.
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Dr. Rekha Saxena, Delhi University: I just want to speak about the Lok Pal
episode and how centralised parties are talking about federalism. The situation
has changed now. India started off as a centralised federation where
parliamentary features overshadowed the federal features of the Constitution.
But since 1989, with the transformation of party system, judicial interpretations
favouring the cause of State autonomy, privatisation, globalisation of the
economy, creating pressure for the integration of national economy with the
global economy, and pressure for decentralisation of power to the grassrootslevel, a new dynamic has emerged in the manner politics is run. Now India is
moving towards greater federalism and the Lok Ayukt has had a direct impact
on the federal structure. I work on federalism, I have written extensively on this.
I think the Government should have brought it (Lok Pal) like in the case of
panchayat, in the form of an enabling Act and asked the States to pass a
conforming act.
Dr. Iqbal Husain, Jamia Millia Islamia: I am an academician and teach law at
the Jamia Law Faculty. I am seeing from the academic point of view the election
system and when I go back 65 years, when our country had great leaders, they
were very honest and all of them wanted prosperity and freedom of the country.
After the British left we started governing ourselves; the quality of the leaders
that we got went down. Two months back I attended a seminar of corporates in
in-house councils. They admitted that they were making contributions to
political parties, but when asked where were they taking this money from, they
said they were raising the donations from the people by over-pricing. I fail to
understand then why we have legalised ` 40 lakh as expense-limit for candidates
contesting Lok Sabha elections. Especially when parties are spending beyond
the expenditure limit and the Election Commission unable to take action.
Secondlythis is the most disturbing pointwhere is the reservoir of
candidates for parties to choose from? I am an academician. I cannot contest
elections because I do not fulfil the criteria, the kind of compulsions, and do not
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have the kind of things which are required to win an election. In the past, every
university, every college used to have a students' union. At least within the
academic culture, student leadership used to be created. At the time, we had
most of our leaders coming from the student leadership and they had a little bit
of etiquettehad some consciousness, and would not go beyond a limit. What
is happening today? The leadership is coming from the gonda elements of the
locality and the good people are being excluded.
That is why every serious talk must address this issue. It is not as if we are not
moving in the right direction. We are encountering problems and most of the
problems are the contribution of all the parties. As we all have agreed, the
parties themselves do not want change. One of the leaders here asked what
kind of political administration can be expected if 75 per cent of the people
were not voting. Yes, it is true that happens, but what is the repercussion? The
candidate who has paid ` 5 crore, to get the ticket, he is getting elected through
corruption. Is it not? At the time of election the people are silent. But when they
are subjected to corruption they come along with Anna Hazare. That is the
reason. So, if politicians keep on making excuses about different political
systems, different political theories, and try to remain in the power by whatever
the means, if they are not honest, certainly a day will come when we will have a
revolution in this country.
Mr. Samya Chatterjee, Research Assistant, ORF: I will just focus on the US
campaign finance system because two remarks were made about how there has
been more transparency or accountability there. That is not true. They face
almost similar problems that we face. Of course, not on the same scale but the
problem of unaccounted money remains. In 2009, there was a US Supreme
Court decision which legalised corporate contributions without limits.
Previously, there were limits to those contributions. In fact, if you followed the
last presidential elections in 2008, the rise of small donors was a direct result of
the disproportionate amount of influence that corporate contributions had.
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women. That was actually acceptable at the panchayat-level, not at the Assembly
or parliamentary level.
Mr. Samya Chatterjee: Just to give you another example. The US has been
passing laws. I am taking this example because it is seen as the democracy which
functions well. It does in so many other respects, but the point is that it is a 100year process. Every 15 years they have to come up and change the laws because
no matter how many laws they make, people will find ways to break them. The
latest example was in 2001. There was a law called the Bipartisan Campaign
Reforms Act. It was passed by members from both the political parties, and it
was a very difficult Act to pass as it tried to ban essentially soft money and fundraising dinners, etc. In India, the biggest problem today is that we just talk about
limits on contributions and limits on expenditure, inner-party reforms, etc. You
have to put a cap on political party spending at some level because as long as you
keep even one channel open, everything is going to be funded from there. The
caps have to exist at all levels.
Chair: We will have the speakers respond or make whatever observations they
want to make.
Mr. T. K. Arun: About the media reporting and analysing of corporatefunding, there is no data whatsoever. A prerequisite for it is that parties should
report how much money they receive and that money should be received on
record from companies. Then media can analyse which company has donated
how much, and how far have policies changed in favour of which company or
industry. We recently ran a couple of stories where we listed corporate-funding
to political parties. This could be misused. So, first of all, you need stringent laws
on reporting and disclosure. Only then you can analyse what effect this has. Let
me tell you that the situation is far from hopeless.
Thankfully in politics, apart from political parties and institutions and research
funds and media, there are the people. Ultimately, only when the people mature
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politically do things change. If the DMK lost the elections in Tamil Nadu, it was
not that it did not have access to money. Here also newspaper vendors threw
money to the tune of ` 5000/- with the morning paper. But DMK candidates
lost. Ultimately, when people begin to have respect for themselves and resent
the idea they can be bought, they react differently. This is exactly what happened
in Tamil Nadu.
There was a time when people could be bought with money. But beyond a point
people say they have had enough, and that is happening all across the country
right now. It is an overall process of maturing of politics; people's own sense of
self-worth and awareness of their rights have ultimately changed things. I think
that is actually happening and these are all various ways of crystallising and
institutionalising the urge for basic self-empowerment of the people. Without
that you can do nothing. Hopefully, there are signs that this is actually
crystallizing.
Mr. Mendiratta: What is needed now? The need is for stringent laws. But who
will make the laws? Why should parliamentarians make a law that would go
against them? Why should they do it? That is the difficulty. Unless there is some
public pressure for them to do some thing, they won't do anything.
Participant: Lack of political will.
Mr. Mendiratta: No, I won't say political will. There is unanimity of political
will because they don't want to do anything.
Participant: I totally agree with that. In fact, State-funding is actually the only
clause in the entire electoral reforms on which there is political will among
political parties. You have every political party saying this is something which if
done would be very good. For everything else, they are just saying this has that
problem, that has this problem, etc. At least Mr. Rudy was very honest in saying
that nothing is going to happen and if there is some public pressure where
people raise a hue and cry, maybe things will happen. But otherwise we are going
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to continue as in the past. We can debate and do a whole lot of things, Sir, but
until they agree and do something about it, nothing is going to happen.
Chair: I think we will bring the seminar to a close.
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Samya Chatterjee is a Research Assistant and Niranjan Sahoo a
Senior Fellow at Observer Research Foundation, New Delhi.
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