COUNTY OF ALAMEDA
DEPARTMENT 22
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JANE DOE,
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Plaintiff,
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v.
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WATCHTOWER BIBLE AND )
TRACT SOCIETY OF NEW )
YORK, INC., a
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corporation, et al., )
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Defendants.
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_____________________)
No. HG115588324
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JURY TRIAL
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DAY 7
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ATKINSON-BAKER, INC.
COURT REPORTERS
(800) 288-3376
www.depo.com
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JOB NO:
A605B8A
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A P P E A R A N C E S:
BY:
BY:
Hayward, CA 94541
Tel: 510-582-1080
Fax: 510-582-8254
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Email:
kellyk@fjslaw.com
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Email:
rick@fjslaw.com
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JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES
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BY:
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Tel: 619-224-2848
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Fax: 619-224-0089
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Email:
jim@mccabelaw.net
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(CONTINUED)
APPEARANCES (CONTINUED)
BY:
Sacramento, CA 95814
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Email:
Schnackr@jacksonlewis.com
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INDEX
PAGE
MR. SIMONS
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MR. McCABE
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MR. SCHNACK
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JUDGE McGUINESS
MR. SIMONS
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INDEX OF EXHIBITS:
NUMBER
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7:47 A.M.
PROCEEDINGS
THE COURT:
All right.
Inc.
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But
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All right.
Obligation
to Prove.
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Correct?
Yes.
Yes.
Casey 201?
Yes.
Yes.
Casey 202?
Yes.
Yes.
And these are again, instructions
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Casey 203?
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THE COURT:
Yes.
Yes.
Let me ask for record purposes,
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withdrawn?
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MR. SIMONS:
Plaintiff.
Yes.
It was withdrawn.
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THE COURT:
205?
Yes.
All right.
Evidence -- 206:
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THE COURT:
As modified, yes.
And I believe it has been
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THE CLERK:
Correct.
207.
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only.
Now what I'm reading, we need to retool 207.
It provides in pertinent part as follows:
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field service.
The
bra incident.
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208.
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as modified, it is agreed.
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MR. SIMONS:
There was a
Correct, counsel?
Yes.
Yes.
Casey 210?
Yes.
Yes.
212?
Yes.
Yes.
218?
Yes.
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THE COURT:
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THE COURT:
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agreed upon.
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Casey?
219?
Yes.
Yes.
220?
Yes.
Yes.
221?
Yes.
Yes.
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Yes.
Yes.
Casey 400.
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Yes.
400?
Yes.
That is just essential factual
elements?
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THE COURT:
Yes.
All right.
401, at plaintiff's
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I think contextually in
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401?
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THE COURT:
Over our
Okay.
401.
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That's correct.
objection.
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a minute.
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Plaintiff
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County.
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warn.
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in this proceeding.
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I declined to do so
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circumstances here.
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Yes.
A lot of your comments you just
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413.
Yes.
Yes.
430:
Causation?
Yes.
Yes.
431:
Yes.
Let me look at the wording just
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THE COURT:
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Yes.
Yes.
Then we have agreement?
Yes, we do.
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Alternative causation?
Yes.
Yes.
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factual elements?
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THE COURT:
Yes.
Yes.
All right.
After that, I
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mixed bag.
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quote.
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California law."
Whether a particular
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for, your Honor.
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ask for.
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that.
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religious duties."
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for legislation.
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area which the Court should not go, but if you are going
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privilege.
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instruction on privilege.
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justification.
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you know --
So good or bad,
Number 2.
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process.
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expecting to hear the law from your Honor, and you don't
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to the evidence.
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evidence deduced.
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It was briefed.
Yes.
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As modified, agreed.
I'm reading it briefly, your
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All right.
Okay.
Noted.
Agreed.
Agreed.
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Scope of employment?
Agreed.
Yes.
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Introduction to tort
damages?
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Right?
Yes.
Yes.
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damages?
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THE COURT:
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THE COURT:
THE COURT:
Correct?
THE COURT:
Yeah.
"past."
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misleading.
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future?
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here besides.
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THE COURT:
All right.
So let's agree.
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expenses.
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that.
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too.
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put this on the record.
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on 3903-A, it says:
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medical care.
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to future tense.
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MR. SIMONS:
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THE COURT:
MR. SCHNACK:
Yes.
Or may receive.
Actually, "may" is more
So it is going to be future
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Okay.
that back.
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Agreed, yes.
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Non-economic damage?
Agreed.
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Agreed.
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Agreed.
I'm trying to catch up here.
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challenges.
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We are up to where?
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Agreed.
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There was no objection.
Yes.
Life expectancy, 3932?
We objected, your Honor, no
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Yes.
As it was modified, yes.
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Yes.
Yes.
That is a legitimate
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the title?
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Agreed.
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I'm just going to go right
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Evidence.
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Witnesses.
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Multiple parties.
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Non-person party.
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Pre-deliberation instructions.
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occurring.
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Mr. Schnack?
What Mr. Simons left out and
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she stated.
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limiting instruction.
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I have it here.
So let's read it in a minute.
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limiting instruction?
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Okay.
It is.
Is that in a proposed
Number 5.
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Okay.
field service?
I'm concerned.
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on that.
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Okay.
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It was.
All right.
Then .5 will be in my
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with that.
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instruction.
All right.
form?
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an interesting question.
lawyers.
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your Honor.
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THE COURT:
No.
Well, do it with me so we can be
productive.
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are in court.
Okay.
(To a person on the phone) So we
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substance.
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This was
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Watchtower
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No.
That's fine, your Honor.
That's fine, your Honor.
All right.
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All right.
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okay.
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Honor.
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language in there.
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But
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just get rid of 207 and deal with the special jury
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instructions.
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THE COURT:
All right.
So we are down to the punitive
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instructions submitted."
There have
instruction.
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substance.
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THE COURT:
And
the record will reflect nice work from the Simons Law
Office.
3946 is done.
Okay.
question.
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I ask a bullet
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percentage allocation.
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reflect that.
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version.
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I don't want
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That's fine.
That's fine.
So
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THE COURT:
jury.
long.
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Nice work,
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you as always.
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these instructions.
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argument.
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there.
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Casey 200:
Obligation to prove
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than not true, you must conclude that the party did not
prove it.
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true.
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convincing evidence.
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convincing evidence.
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someone's opinion.
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the sky.
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better evidence.
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evidence.
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purpose.
Certain evidence may be admitted for a
limited purpose.
for the limited purpose that I described and not for any
other purpose.
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pre-existing condition.
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expert witnesses.
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other.
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qualifications.
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witness.
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her harm.
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evidence of damages.
trial.
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alleged.
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in chambers.
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servant and they didn't let him pass out books at the
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congregation.
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concern.
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attendant, please.
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I, KATHRYN LLOYD, CSR No. 5955, Certified Shorthand
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