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FINALEDIT
NewThreadonDPS&TDOCalculation
DPScalculationspreadsheetnow
availablefordownload
ViewFormulasusedinthisthread
NewPost20/07/2016:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilp
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damage_pokemon/
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correcttypemodifiersand
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"Removed"meansdroppedtheirstats,itriedto
deletethembutexcelfrozesoyouwillseetheystill
appearonthelistsjustatthebottom.
Thingsthatcouldstillbewrong:
Howthedefenderattacks.I'veassumeda0.5
secondpausebetweenattacks,and
generating100energyevery4fastattacks.
Thereissomeinformationinthecomments
howthedefenderattacks,butidon'tknow
howtointerpretit.Thereisalsoan"energy
gainperhploss"whichcouldexplainwhy
defendersareabletousetheirspecialmoves
more.
Damageformulaisbasedoffexisting
pokemonformula.Wehavealltheattackand
defensestats,idon'tseewhywewouldn'tbe
usingthesameformula.
Typemodifiersarenow1.25and0.8,buti
allow1.25x1.25asinnormalpokemon
games:couldbeincorrect
Critsarex1.5

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PokmonGOtrainers.

TL:DRSnorlax>Vap>Dragonite>
Lapras/Golem/Blastoise/Slowbro

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everyone,butwe'llseehowthereactionisfirst.

Whatdoesitdo?
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OriginalPost
Iveupdatedthemodelalltheformulasand
assumptionsareinthegoogledocs.Withthenew
dataminingthatcameoutyesterdaythese
numbersshouldbeveryaccurate.
Firstattemptpostcanbeseenhere:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments
/4sy7yc/best_pokemon_movesets_and_matchups/
Themodelcomparedall4605fullyevolvedmove
setsagainstall4605fullyevolvedmovesets.
Thereisaslightlydifferentcalculationmethodfor
damageforthedefenders,assuchthebest
defendersisalittledifferent.

Ihavetosayitsbeenverydifficulttodecidehow
toweightallthedifferentcombinations,butit
doesntchangetheordertoomuchreally.Whati
landedonwasaddinguptheirwinsandignoring
theirlosses.Thiswayweonlyconcentrateontheir
strengthsiewhenyouhaveagoodmatchup.As
youwillbeincontrolofPokemonchoiceyoucan
alwayshavethatgoodmatchup.

WiththeadditionofthedataofMewandother
LegendaryPokemontheresultsareobviously
screwedheavilytothem.
UnlesspeoplewantitIwon'tputupthe"topXX
moveset"asit'sbasicallyjustthelegos.

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[] Underfyre

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GERMANY

116points8daysago

CanIgetamovesettypecounterwithoutMewtwoonit?
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YeahI'mgonnahavetogowithPokemonIcanactuallyobtain
asbeingmoreuseful.
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NintendobroadcastsPokemon
DemonstrationfromE3

Jun7

SecondwaveofUSfieldtesters
acceptedinUS(PacificCoast)

Jun4

Nianticreleasesv0.25tofield
testers.CP'boosting'nowlive.

May25

NianticopensthefieldtesttoUS
testers.

May16

Nianticannouncesthefieldtestwill
expandtotheUSwithinthemonth.

ThisguyisrightweneedamovesetcounterWITHOUTMewtwo
he'snotevenrelevanttothegameatallyetnoonehasa

Nianticreleasesv0.21tofield
testers.TheShopnowlive.

Apr25

Nianticexpandsfieldtestto
Australia/NewZealand.

Apr14

Nianticreleasesv0.17tofield
testers.Battling&Gymsnowlive.

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[] RoCHopE 14points8daysago

PokemonGObeginstorolloutto
GooglePlayandiOSappstores

Jun16

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[] Ayestes 38points8daysago

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Apr7
Mar28

NianticannouncestheFieldTestwill
expandtoAustraliaandNew
Zealand"laterthismonth."
NianticopensJapanFieldTest.

mewtwoandwontforawhile.
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WESTERNEUROPE

31points8daysago

GERMANY

wellifwe'reexcluding,mayaswelljusttossoutMoltres,
ArticunoandZapdos.AndMew.Justincase.
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[] TheShishkabob
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ST.JOHN'S,NL

14points8days

AlsoDitto.
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Niantic/Nintendosharesinformation
onbasicgamemechanics.

Mar3

NianticannouncesJapanbetain
lateMarch.Opensregistration.And
filesUSTrademark.

Feb25

PokmonGoislookinggood.Well
sharemoredetailswiththeworld
soon.Therecertainlyarealotof
fans.JohnHanke,CEO

Dec16

ExtensiveInterviewwithNiantic

Sep10

OriginalPressReleaseAnnouncing
PokemonGO

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[] Underfyre

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Yeahman,thatwouldbegreat!
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[] Rprrr 10points8daysago

Thatwouldbeveryniceindeed.Isadlyhaven'tfoundaMewto
yet.
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[] Qmike

Keepthingsfriendlyandconstructivethisisnot
theplacetowhine!
/r/TheSilphRoad/wiki/rules

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[S] 6points7daysago

AUSTRALASIA

Done,butIguessnowyouwantonewithoutSnorlax?
BasicallygoesallVap.
RemoveVapanditgoesalotofDragonitewiththeother4
mixedin.Poliwrathisuptheretoo(lookattheTLDR)
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[] EdmundNelson
points7daysago

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20

nobecausethisoneshowsapokemondominatingthatis
actuallyrelevanttothegymbattlesatlarge.Itshowsthat
snorlaxisthebestpokemoninthegame,butthat's
informationwecanactuallyUSEforcapturinggyms.(Ifor
onewillnowputallmystardustintolevelingsnorlax'swith
goodIV's)
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NETHERLANDS

3points5days

ToobadIneverhatchedorcaughtasnorlaxyet.Andonly
1dratini.Well,atleastpolywagspawnreasonablyoften
soapolywrathshouldbesomewhatdoable.Ohand
vaporeonofcourse.
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SILPHCO.
SILPHCO.

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[] Tsugua354

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OREGON

12points7daysago

Done,butIguessnowyouwantonewithoutSnorlax?
No,becausethat'sactuallyavailable.
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[] ingressLeeMajors 9points7daysago

IhaveaSnorlax,butmymovesarezenheadbuttand
earthquake.Gothimfroma10keggandheisover2kcp
now
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[] Jamez10000 7points5daysago

I'mcurioushowmuchworseaSnorlaxwiththesetwoare

becauseI'minthesameboat.
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[S] 17points8daysago*

Thesearemovesetswhichwillresultinthe
SpecialMoveneverbeingusedassuchare
useless
EDIT:Tablehasbeenupdatedbasedon0.8/1.25moves
(1.25*1.25)/(0.8*0.8)
Forthistooccur[F_dps]>[S_dps]whenFastandSpecialtypeare
thesame.
Or[F_dps]>[S_dps]*4whentypesaredifferent(toaccountfor
onebeingx0.5andtheotherx2)
ThecalculationisbasedonVenusaursdefence=124atlvl20
whichisaboveaverageDef.Ifthedefenderwastohaveverylow
defencethenthedamagewouldgetbetterduetotheformulabut
letsassumewe'realwaystryingtokillstrongopponents.

N A ME

FA ST

S PE CIA L

Venusaur

VineWhip

SolarBeam

Blastoise

WaterGun

HydroPump

Butterfree

BugBite

BugBuzz

Butterfree

BugBite

SignalBeam

Pidgeot

WingAttack

AerialAce

Pidgeot

WingAttack

AirCutter

Fearow

Peck

AerialAce

Sandslash

MudShot

Earthquake

Sandslash

MudShot

RockTomb

Sandslash

MudShot

Bulldoze

Wigglytuff

Pound

HyperBeam

Golbat

WingAttack

PoisonFang

Golbat

WingAttack

AirCutter

Golbat

WingAttack

OminousWind

Venomoth

BugBite

BugBuzz

Dugtrio

MudShot

Earthquake

Dugtrio

MudShot

MudBomb

Persian

Scratch

NightSlash

Persian

FeintAttack

NightSlash

Golduck

WaterGun

HydroPump

Alakazam

PsychoCut

Psychic

Alakazam

PsychoCut

DazzlingGleam

Alakazam

PsychoCut

ShadowBall

Golem

RockThrow

AncientPower

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Golem

MudShot

AncientPower

Golem

MudShot

Earthquake

Slowbro

WaterGun

WaterPulse

Dewgong

FrostBreath

IcyWind

Dewgong

IceShard

IcyWind

Cloyster

FrostBreath

IcyWind

Cloyster

IceShard

IcyWind

Gengar

ShadowClaw

ShadowBall

Kingler

MetalClaw

ViceGrip

Kingler

MudShot

ViceGrip

Chansey

ZenHeadbutt

Psybeam

Tangela

VineWhip

SolarBeam

Seadra

WaterGun

HydroPump

Seaking

PoisonJab

IcyWind

Starmie

WaterGun

HydroPump

Mr.Mime

ZenHeadbutt

Psybeam

Jynx

FrostBreath

DrainingKiss

Jynx

FrostBreath

IcePunch

Jynx

Pound

DrainingKiss

Tauros

Tackle

HornAttack

Gyarados

DragonBreath

Twister

Lapras

FrostBreath

IceBeam

Ditto

Pound

Struggle

Vaporeon

WaterGun

WaterPulse

Vaporeon

WaterGun

HydroPump

Omastar

RockThrow

AncientPower

Omastar

WaterGun

HydroPump

Articuno

FrostBreath

IceBeam

Articuno

FrostBreath

IcyWind

Mewtwo

PsychoCut

Psychic

Mewtwo

PsychoCut

ShadowBall

Mew

Pound

HyperBeam

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[] Evermar314159 11points8daysago

LetmemakesurethatIamreadingthiscorrectly.
SoifIhaveaVaporeonwithWaterGunandWaterPulse,this
lististellingmethatIwilldomoredmgusingWaterGunforan
entirefightratherthanusingWaterPulsewhenIcan?
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[] _Stealth_ 7points8daysago

yes,tappingisbetterthanholdingforvaporeon.
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[] RainmanP

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KANSAS

6points8daysago

Weknowthe"delay"foreachindividualmovenow.Is
thereanydataonwhenthedamagehappensnotjust
howlonguntilanothermovecanbeperformed?
Forexample,insituationsexactlyliketheonementioned
above,where:
1.Thefastishigherdpsthananyspecialoption
2.Thereisnosecondarytypeattackoptionforspecial
Isitpossiblethatthehighestdamagespecialisthebest
optionjustfora"lastattack"sincethedelayaftersaid
moveisirrelevantifitkillstheopposingmon'?
ieistheoptimalmovesetforVaporeonWaterGun/Hyrdo
Pump,ordoesitreallynotmatter?
Justanidea.
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[] ZeldaMonster 5points8daysago

I'mcuriousaboutthistoo.IliketouseHydroPump
eitherafterIfinishedbeatingapokemonandIcan
startthenextonewiththespecialorasafinishing
move.
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[S] 2points7daysago

Whilei'mnotgoingtoputthisintothemodel,the
spreadsheetalreadytakes5minstocalculatedueto
themainformula(seebelow).
Iwouldsuggesttheanswerisno.Wehaveastart&
endtimeforwhenthedamageisappliedonceamove
istriggered.IngeneralthisissoonforFastMovesand
muchlaterforSpecialMovesandoverafewseconds.
(INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$G$22)
INDEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$G$22)/MAX(((((2In
put_Formulas!$B$11+4)/100INDEX($A$25:$W$48
9,$A25,$H$22)/INDEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$I$2
2)INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$O$22)+2)INDEX(
$A$25:$W$489,$A25,$R$22)MAX(Input_Formulas
!$B$21,MIN(Input_Formulas!$B$22,INDEX(Multipl
iers_RAW!$B$4:$T$22,INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A2
5,$N$22),INDEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$E$22))IN
DEX(Multipliers_RAW!$B$4:$T$22,INDEX($A$25:
$W$489,$A25,$N$22),INDEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$
1,$F$22)))))100/INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$Q$
22)+
(((2Input_Formulas!$B$11+4)/100INDEX($A$25:$
W$489,$A25,$H$22)/INDEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$1
,$I$22)INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$T$22)+2)IN
DEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$W$22)MAX(Input_For
mulas!$B$21,MIN(Input_Formulas!$B$22,INDEX(
Multipliers_RAW!$B$4:$T$22,INDEX($A$25:$W$4
89,$A25,$S$22),INDEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$E$
22))INDEX(Multipliers_RAW!$B$4:$T$22,INDEX($
A$25:$W$489,$A25,$S$22),INDEX($A$25:$W$48
9,CC$1,$F$22)))))INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$V
$22))/(100/INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$Q$22)IN

DEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$P$22)+INDEX($A$25:
$W$489,$A25,$V$22)INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25
,$U$22)),
(((2Input_Formulas!$B$11+4)/100INDEX($A$25:$
W$489,$A25,$H$22)/INDEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$1
,$I$22)INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$O$22)+2)IN
DEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$R$22)MAX(Input_For
mulas!$B$21,MIN(Input_Formulas!$B$22,INDEX(
Multipliers_RAW!$B$4:$T$22,INDEX($A$25:$W$4
89,$A25,$N$22),INDEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$E$
22))INDEX(Multipliers_RAW!$B$4:$T$22,INDEX($
A$25:$W$489,$A25,$N$22),INDEX($A$25:$W$48
9,CC$1,$F$22)))))/INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$
P$22))
((((2Input_Formulas!$B$11+4)/100INDEX($A$25:
$W$489,CC$1,$H$22)/INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A2
5,$I$22)INDEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$O$22)+2)I
NDEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$R$22)MAX(Input_Fo
rmulas!$B$21,MIN(Input_Formulas!$B$22,INDEX(
Multipliers_RAW!$B$4:$T$22,INDEX($A$25:$W$4
89,CC$1,$N$22),INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$E$
22))INDEX(Multipliers_RAW!$B$4:$T$22,INDEX($
A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$N$22),INDEX($A$25:$W$48
9,$A25,$F$22)))))Input_Formulas!$B$15+
(((2Input_Formulas!$B$11+4)/100INDEX($A$25:$
W$489,CC$1,$H$22)/INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25
,$I$22)INDEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$T$22)+2)IN
DEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$W$22)MAX(Input_For
mulas!$B$21,MIN(Input_Formulas!$B$22,INDEX(
Multipliers_RAW!$B$4:$T$22,INDEX($A$25:$W$4
89,CC$1,$S$22),INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$E$
22))INDEX(Multipliers_RAW!$B$4:$T$22,INDEX($
A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$S$22),INDEX($A$25:$W$48
9,$A25,$F$22)))))INDEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$V
$22))/(Input_Formulas!$B$15(INDEX($A$25:$W$
489,CC$1,$P$22)+Input_Formulas!$C$16)+INDEX
($A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$V$22)*
(INDEX($A$25:$W$489,CC$1,$U$22)+Input_For
mulas!$C$16)))/INDEX($A$25:$W$489,$A25,$G$
22)
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9points7daysago

NYC/CT

Yep,andwhatthatbasicallymeansfromadesignstandpoint
isthatthisdefinitelyneedstoberebalancedatsomepoint.
Itjustdoesn'tmakeanysense.
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[] Evermar314159 5points7daysago

Itotallyagree.InowhaveaVaporeonwith1750CPor
so.Iwasabletotakedownan1850ishExeggutoroneon
one.Whileitmademefeelcool,justlikeyousaid,it
doesn'tmakeanysense.
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5points8daysago

typeadvantageis1.25anddisadvantageis0.8,sothex4for
specialneverbeingusedistoohigh.
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[] Qmike

[S] 1point7daysago

AUSTRALASIA

Doyouhaveanyotherinfoandsource?
Howaredoubleadvantagescalculated?
IsthereaCap?
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PDX

2points7daysago

Sourceisthedatadump.
Idon'tthinkwehaveadefinitiveanswerondouble
advantage,butwithIVinthegamebesurprisedif
doubleadvantageweren'tathing.
Acaptowhat?
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[S] 1point7daysago

I'vegonethroughthewholedatadump,can'tfind
anyreferencetothe1.25and0.8inthere.
https://gist.github.com/anonymous/077d6dea82d58b
8febde54ae9729b1bf
Therewasasuggestionatthestartthatadvantages
werecappedatx2andx0.5.Soevenifyouhadx2
andx2itwouldstillonly=x2.
Butwithx1.25x1.25~1.5maybethereisnoneed
foracap?
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[] hellookc 4points7daysago

searchforTypeEffectiveinthedump.takefour
bitsofdataatatime(\xxx\xxx\xxx\xxx)and
converteachbitfromoctaltohex,thenreverse
theorderofthebitsandcasttheentirehexstring
intofloat.therearethreedistinctresultswhichare
0.8,1.0,and1.25
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3points8daysago*

SoforVaporeonasanexample,youhavewaterpulselistedhere
aswellasinthebestattacklist.Thishasconfusedme.Ice
Beamisonneitherlistsowouldn'tthatmakeitbetterthan
WaterPulseifWaterPulseisn'tworthusing?
Alsointheotherthreadyousaidlongchargesarebetterthan
shortchargessoHydroPump>WaterPulse.
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[S] 2points7daysago

Holdyourthoughtsforaday.
EachtimeIpostthis,peopleseemtoprovidemoreaccurate
informationtoshowhowIamincorrect.Wearegetting
muchcloserthough!
Ifnospecialmoveisthebest,therankingstillhastochoose
aspecialmovetogoonthelist.Ithinktheyarelisted
alphabeticallysoitjustshowsWaterPulseallthetime.
YouarecorrectthattheonlyworthwhileattackingSpecial
MoveisthereforeIceBeamastheremaybesomecases
whenitisstronger.butagainwiththetypeadvantageof
1.25xthismaychangeagain.
InthelastthreadIhadassumedallSpecialMovestookthe

sametimetocomplete.Thiswasanincorrectassumptionso
ignoreeverythinginthelastthreadaboutthat.
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[S] 3points7daysago

AUSTRALASIA

IceBeamisn'tanoptionforVapaccordingtothemined
data.Isthatincorrect?
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[] Althuror 1point1dayago

Myvaporeonhadwatergunandaquatail.Isitbad?
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[S] 1point22hoursago

AUSTRALASIA

Thereisanewpost,withaspreadsheetyoucan
downloadtoseeforyourself:https://redd.it/4uffha
TLDR:It'sthebestVapthereis.
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1point7daysago

SoIdidthemathonScytherandIdisagree:
TakingSTABintoconsideration,FuryCutterisnotthebestdps
attack,butmakesupforitwiththe12energy/attack.
XScissoriswaaaaybetterwithSTAB(17.86dpsvs.9.26).I'm
notsurehowyoucalculatedNightSlashworkingthere.
SteelWingspamandFuryCutter+XScissorlineup(asclose
asIwanttocalculateitto)every6.6s.Inthat6.6s,yougetoff
6FC,2XSvs.5SW..Grandtotals:97.5damagevs.75
damage.ANDSWtakes50msmoretogetthere.
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[S] 1point7daysago

AUSTRALASIA

You,likeIwas,areusingtheoldformulafordamage.
Ruleofthumbwouldbetoadd5toanyattackpowertoget
damage(atlvl20)atlvl40itwouldbeadd2.5
FurryCutterisactually8dmgin400ms,whilesteelwing
does20in1330ms.
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[] lulzbanana 1point7daysago

SoFuryCutterwouldbedoing24damageinthesame
timeasSWdoingonly20?Huh.
I'vebeenfarmingScythersbutIcan'tgetonewithFury
Cutter+XScissor,althoughIdohaveoneIpoweredup
to1000CPwithFuryCutterandBugBuzz:/
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AUSTRALASIA

[S] 1point6daysago

Thereisvirtuallynodifferenceaslongasyouhave
FurryCutter.Soallgood.
XScissorisslightlybetteragainstweakmons.but
BugBuzzisneverworthwhiletouseoverFuryCutter.
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[] AndanteZero 1point18hoursago

Theresanotherchartthoughthatsaysnightslash
isthebestone.I'mconfusedonhowtoreadyour
charts...
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[] Qmike

[S] 1point17hoursago

AUSTRALASIA

Thisisanoldpost.Isthetopeditnotshowing
up?
gotohere:https://redd.it/4uffha
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[] AndanteZero 1point17hoursago

Justlookingatthechart,I'mguessingthat
youwouldgobythehighestdpscomboas
thebestmoveset?AlsoIwasreferingto
anotherchartfromdifferentperson.
Howeveryourchartseemstobealotmore
detailedabdreliable
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[S] 1point14hours

IftheComboDPSislessthantheFast
DPSitjustdoesthefastmove.
ifyouwantjustDPS,lookatDPS_x
Ifyouwanttoknowwhowoulddomore
damage=DPS*Howlongtheywould
livefor.LookatTDOTotalDamage
Output
Thereisatabontheexcelthatdefines
allthesetermsforyou,giveitaread.
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[] AndanteZero 1point2hoursago

Yeah,Iwastryingtoreaditonmy
phone.Notthebestidea.Wayeasier
tolookatonamonitorlol
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29points8daysago

Iwouldn'tmindseeingarankingsysteminstead,especiallyone
withoutmew/mewtwo(andotherunachievablepokemon).
Inotherwords,whatarethetop510pokemonagainstVapereon?
top5againstSnorlax?etc
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[] Ellodere 4points8daysago

WithabsolutelynocalculationstobackthisupI'dgo:
Venusaur>Vaporeon(oranyotherwater)
Vapreon>Lapras
Lapras>Dragonite
Golem>Snorlax
Otherthanthosecountersyoucanuseanyofthose4metato
gothroughjustaboutanythingelse.
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[] cromathor 2points7daysago

Whatarepeople'sthoughtsonElectabuzzasacounterto
vaporeon?
Hisstatsaren'tthatbadandhecouldbeastrongdefender
withguaranteedSTABashis2ndattack.

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[] theRogueVishnu

2points7daysago

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Hesucks,Attackspeediswaytooslow,Vaporeoncan
melthishealthawaywithwatergunsinceitbasicallyhas
80%morehealthatthesameCP.
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[] StarFocs 1point6daysago

IsJolteonagoodchoicetocountervaporeons?Iknow
statwiseitsalotweakerthanvaporeonbutIkindof
wanttoevolvemyeeveeintoajolteon.
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[] Sukenobu 3points5daysago

VenusaurandExeggutorarethebest"counters"to
Vaporeon,butbythenumbersVaporeonstillwins.
IfyouwanttowinanequalCPfight,gottagitgud
(atdodging).
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[] Rimbaldien

WESTERNEUROPE

3points8daysago

Aguyfrom/r/pokemongodidthat.
IthasarankingsystembutI'mnotreallysureabouthismaths
behind...Somemovesetaredifferentbytheway(e.ghereit
saysyoushouldgetPeckforfearowbuttheotheronesaysyou
shouldgetSteelwing...)Doesn'tsayanythingaboutcounters
though.
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10points8daysago

SobasicallyallyouneedisabunchofSnorlax?
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UpdatedforEDIT1
ListofAttackersandtheirwinpercents
R A NK

N A ME

W IN %

FA ST

S PE CIA L

Vaporeon

100.0%

WaterGun

WaterPulse

Vaporeon

100.0%

WaterGun

HydroPump

Vaporeon

100.0%

WaterGun

AquaTail

Snorlax

100.0%

Lick

BodySlam

Snorlax

100.0%

Lick

HyperBeam

Snorlax

100.0%

Lick

Earthquake

Dragonite

100.0%

DragonBreath

DragonClaw

Lapras

99.8%

FrostBreath

DragonPulse

Lapras

99.8%

FrostBreath

IceBeam

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Lapras

99.8%

FrostBreath

Blizzard

11

Snorlax

99.8%

ZenHeadbutt

BodySlam

12

Blastoise

99.6%

WaterGun

FlashCannon

13

Blastoise

99.6%

WaterGun

IceBeam

14

Blastoise

99.6%

WaterGun

HydroPump

15

Slowbro

99.6%

WaterGun

WaterPulse

16

Slowbro

99.6%

WaterGun

Psychic

17

Slowbro

99.6%

WaterGun

IceBeam

18

Golduck

99.4%

WaterGun

Psychic

19

Golduck

99.4%

WaterGun

HydroPump

20

Golduck

99.4%

WaterGun

IceBeam

21

Golem

99.4%

MudShot

StoneEdge

22

Golem

99.4%

MudShot

AncientPower

23

Golem

99.4%

MudShot

Earthquake

24

Snorlax

99.4%

ZenHeadbutt

HyperBeam

25

Snorlax

99.4%

ZenHeadbutt

Earthquake

26

Poliwrath

99.1%

MudShot

HydroPump

27

Poliwrath

99.1%

MudShot

Submission

28

Poliwrath

99.1%

MudShot

IcePunch

29

Dragonite

99.1%

DragonBreath

DragonPulse

30

Dragonite

99.1%

DragonBreath

HyperBeam

31

Exeggutor

98.7%

ZenHeadbutt

Psychic

32

Wigglytuff

98.5%

Pound

DazzlingGleam

33

Wigglytuff

98.5%

Pound

HyperBeam

34

Wigglytuff

98.5%

Pound

PlayRough

35

Exeggutor

98.5%

ZenHeadbutt

SeedBomb

36

Exeggutor

98.5%

ZenHeadbutt

SolarBeam

37

Charizard

98.3%

WingAttack

DragonClaw

38

Muk

98.3%

PoisonJab

GunkShot

39

Venusaur

98.1%

VineWhip

SludgeBomb

40

Gyarados

98.1%

DragonBreath

HydroPump

41

Muk

97.8%

PoisonJab

DarkPulse

42

Muk

97.8%

PoisonJab

SludgeWave

43

Starmie

97.8%

WaterGun

HydroPump

44

Starmie

97.8%

WaterGun

PowerGem

45

Starmie

97.8%

WaterGun

Psybeam

46

Gyarados

97.8%

DragonBreath

Twister

47

Gyarados

97.8%

DragonBreath

DragonPulse

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Gyarados

97.8%

Bite

HydroPump

49

Charizard

97.6%

WingAttack

FireBlast

50

Charizard

97.6%

WingAttack

Flamethrower

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7points8daysago

Canyouexplainthislisttome?Howare2pokemon/4separate
movesetsat100%winrate?
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[S] 2points7daysago

AUSTRALASIA

WhenbattlingagymthedefendingAIdoesn'tusethe
movesinthesameorder,orspeedtheattackdoes.
THeydon'tattackasfastsoi'veputa0.5spause
betweeneachattack
Theydon'tseemtoneedtogenerateasmuchenergy
tousetheirspecialmovessoIguessedandput4
quickmovesarerequiredtogenerate100energy
Theyneveromittheirspecialmoveevenwhenthe
quickmovewoulddomoredmgtheystillusethe
special.
Putallthesetogether,andtheattackinamirrormatchup
wouldwin.
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[] thisisredditnigga
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1point7

Right!Iforgotthedefenderhaswaylowerdps
Canyoudoacalculationwiththedefenderhavingthe
realdpsI.e.ahypotheticalpvpmatch?It'dhelpwhen
pvpeventuallymakesitswaytoPokemonGo
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[S] 1point7daysago*

Foundthisininthedatadump.Anyoneelsewanttotake
aguessathowtoreadit?
TemplateId:"BATTLE_SETTINGS"
BattleSettings{
RetargetSeconds:0.5
EnemyAttackInterval:1.5
AttackServerInterval:5
RoundDurationSeconds:99
BonusTimePerAllySeconds:10
MaximumAttackersPerBattle:20
SameTypeAttackBonusMultiplier:1.25
MaximumEnergy:100
EnergyDeltaPerHealthLost:0.5

DodgeDurationMs:500
MinimumPlayerLevel:5
SwapDurationMs:1000
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[] EvilShallWin 3points7daysago

I'llgodownthelistandguesswhatitmeans.
RetargetSeconds:0.5
Timetochooseatargetafteramovehasbeenmade
(fordefenders,mostlikely,asattackersonlyhaveone
target)
EnemyAttackInterval:1.5
Notsure,perhapstimebetweeneachattackforthe
defendingpokemon.
AttackServerInterval:5
Howoftentheserversendsinformationaboutthe
damagedoneduringattackstoclients,maybe?Not
sureonthisone
RoundDurationSeconds:99
Howlongtheroundis.Simple.
BonusTimePerAllySeconds:10
Howmuchextratimeisaddedforhavingpeople
fightingwithyou.10secondsperperson.
MaximumAttackersPerBattle:20
Howmanypeoplecanattackagymatonce.
SameTypeAttackBonusMultiplier:1.25
Selfexplanatory.Formovesofthesametypeasthe
pokemonusingthem,multiplythepowerby1.25
MaximumEnergy:100
Thisisprobablythe"stamina"bar,andyoucanhavea
maxof100stamina.
EnergyDeltaPerHealthLost:0.5
Howmuchenergyyougainfordealing1damageof
health.Seemstobe0.5(thoughnoideahowbigthis
isrelativetothestaminabaritself).
DodgeDurationMs:500
Thewindowinwhichdodgingwilltakeeffect.Ifthe
attackwindowisentirelyencapsulatedbythedodge
window(youdodgewell)thenyouwilltakeno
damage.Iftheattackwindowgoesoutsideofthe
dodgewindow,youmaytakedamage.
MinimumPlayerLevel:5
Prettysimple.Min.leveltofightgyms.
SwapDurationMs:1000
Theamountoftimeittakestoswappokemon.
1000msis1second,whichissubstantialasthatcan
be12attacks.I'drecommendneverswappingand
justdodginginsteadifneedbe.
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RetargetSeconds:0.5

Timetochooseatargetafteramovehasbeen
made(fordefenders,mostlikely,asattackers
onlyhaveonetarget)
Fromexperiencewhenthedefenderattacksevery
attackergetshitbythemovesonotsurewhat
thisismaybeapausebetweenattackslikei
alreadyhave?
EnemyAttackInterval:1.5
Notsure,perhapstimebetweeneachattackfor
thedefendingpokemon.
Thisoneisoddtome,ifthepreviousassumption
isrightit'slikehavingtwodelays.Whywouldthat
dothis?
AttackServerInterval:5
Howoftentheserversendsinformationabout
thedamagedoneduringattackstoclients,
maybe?Notsureonthisone
Thiscouldexplainwhyittakessolongfor
defenderstodiesometimes.
EnergyDeltaPerHealthLost:0.5
Howmuchenergyyougainfordealing1
damageofhealth.Seemstobe0.5(thoughno
ideahowbigthisisrelativetothestaminabar
itself).
Iwasthinkingthiscouldbe,losingHP=gain
energytodealyourspecialmove?
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[] EvilShallWin 4points7daysago

Notentirelycertainonthefirstthreepoints
you'vemade,butthereasonfortwodelays
mightbetomakeattackingeveneasierthanit
currentlyis.Ithinkmultipleattackersgetting
hurtatonceisanaccidentcausedbya
combinationoflagandtheserverinterval,asit
seemslikeadefendershouldonlyhitoneat
once.
AtforPerHealthLostthatdoesmakemore
senseiflosinghealthdoesincreaseyour
staminabar.Ihaven'tbeenabletofightintoo
manygymbattles,soIcan'tsayforcertain.I
doknowforcertainthatattackinggivesyou
moreenergywhenyoudealmoredamage
(supereffectivemovesgainwaymorestamina
perhitthannormalmovesofthesamepower).
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[S] 1point6daysago

TesttheEnergyDeltaPerHealthLostand
confirmeditsbasedonactualHPlost,so
whenyougethitbya20dmgattack,you
get10energyaswell.
Somemoretestingisrequiredondifferent
HPpokemon,butseemsaboutright.
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[S] 1point5daysago

Justhadathought,maybethe

RetargetSecondsisthetimeittakesto
"chargeup"yourspecialmove?
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[] JeroenH1992 1point6daysago

Fromthispost:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemongo/comments/4sc7
ns/the_secret_to_gym_battles_pretty_much_every_g
uide/Itsaysherethatatthestartofagymbattle,
thedefenderattackstwotimesinarow.Couldthisbe
theRetargetSecondsof0.5?Andthatallfollowing
fastattackshaveanintervalof1.5secondsbasedon
theEnemyAttackInterval?Averywildguesswouldbe
tosaythattheAttackServerIntervalcouldbethe
intervalbetweenchargeattacks,butIdoubtit...
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UpdatedforEdit1
ListofDefendersandtheirwinpercents
R A NK

N A ME

W IN %

FA ST

S PE CIA L

Snorlax

98%

Lick

BodySlam

Snorlax

96%

ZenHeadbutt

BodySlam

Dragonite

95%

DragonBreath

DragonClaw

Vaporeon

93%

WaterGun

AquaTail

Snorlax

92%

Lick

HyperBeam

Snorlax

90%

ZenHeadbutt

HyperBeam

Dragonite

90%

SteelWing

DragonClaw

Snorlax

90%

Lick

Earthquake

Lapras

88%

FrostBreath

Blizzard

10

Vaporeon

87%

WaterGun

HydroPump

11

Lapras

87%

FrostBreath

IceBeam

12

Snorlax

85%

ZenHeadbutt

Earthquake

13

Slowbro

85%

WaterGun

Psychic

14

Dragonite

85%

DragonBreath

DragonPulse

15

Lapras

81%

FrostBreath

DragonPulse

16

Exeggutor

79%

ZenHeadbutt

Psychic

17

Muk

78%

PoisonJab

GunkShot

18

Dragonite

78%

SteelWing

DragonPulse

19

Lapras

78%

IceShard

IceBeam

20

Golem

77%

MudShot

StoneEdge

21

Arcanine

76%

Bite

Flamethrower

22

Lapras

75%

IceShard

Blizzard

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Charizard

75%

WingAttack

DragonClaw

24

Muk

75%

PoisonJab

SludgeWave

25

Dragonite

75%

DragonBreath

HyperBeam

26

Venusaur

74%

VineWhip

SludgeBomb

27

Arcanine

72%

FireFang

Flamethrower

28

Blastoise

71%

WaterGun

HydroPump

29

Poliwrath

71%

MudShot

HydroPump

30

Nidoqueen

71%

PoisonJab

StoneEdge

31

Nidoqueen

71%

PoisonJab

Earthquake

32

Dragonite

70%

SteelWing

HyperBeam

33

Charizard

70%

WingAttack

Flamethrower

34

Poliwrath

70%

MudShot

Submission

35

Muk

69%

Acid

GunkShot

36

Nidoqueen

69%

PoisonJab

SludgeWave

37

Slowbro

69%

Confusion

Psychic

38

Lapras

68%

IceShard

DragonPulse

39

Arcanine

68%

Bite

FireBlast

40

Machamp

68%

KarateChop

CrossChop

41

Hypno

68%

ZenHeadbutt

Psychic

42

Exeggutor

67%

ZenHeadbutt

SolarBeam

43

Golem

67%

MudShot

Earthquake

44

Charizard

66%

Ember

DragonClaw

45

Charizard

66%

WingAttack

FireBlast

46

Muk

66%

Acid

SludgeWave

47

Muk

66%

PoisonJab

DarkPulse

48

Vaporeon

66%

WaterGun

WaterPulse

49

Exeggutor

66%

Confusion

Psychic

50

Wigglytuff

65%

Pound

PlayRough

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[] memar1 9points8daysago

SoifVaporeon'sbestdefensivespecialisAquatail,andthe
offensivespecialispointlessbecausenormalattackingisbetter,
thenisn'tthebestmovesetforVaporeonWaterGun/AquaTail?
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[S] 1point7daysago

Essentiallywedon'tknowquiteenoughabouthowtheAI
usesthemoveswhiledefending.It'salljsutguessworkat
themomentfromthatperspective.
Seeherefortheassumptions:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/4teoe2/b
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[] JeroenH1992 3points7daysago

Itkeepsgettingbetterandbetter!Onethingthough:Isthislist
basedonbestAImovesetsagainstalltypesorhaveyoutaken
intoconsiderationthatmostoften,thedefendingPokmonfaces
atypedisadvantage?Andcouldyoumaybeposttheentirelist
orbestdefendingmovesetperPokmon(takingtype
disadvantageintoconsideration)?
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[S] 1point7daysago

AUSTRALASIA

Itcompareshoweachmovesetgoesagainstall465possible
movesets.Andthentakesasummationofthoseresultsto
giveatotal.
I'mthinkingImightredothecalculationforjustDPSand
rankthemovesthatway.
Thisweightingandsummingbusinessismakingitallto
complicated.
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[] JeroenH1992 1point6daysago

Maybeyoucouldcombinedamagepersecondwithbasic
defenceandHPstatstocomeupwithatotaldamage
donebeforefaintingchart(assumingtheattackerdoesn't
dodge)?Thisway,PokmonwithlessDPSmightdomore
damageoverall.
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[S] 1point6daysago

AUSTRALASIA

Checkoutthenewpost.Itprettymuchdoesjust
that.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/4t
ot4l/top_dps_damage_pokemon/
Andupvoteit,it'snotgettingmuchvisibility
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[] JeroenH1992 1point6daysago

Upvotedit,greatwork!Isawthepost,butI
missedthemaxattackcolumnstrangelyenough
whileit'sevenhighlighted
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7points8daysago

Greatwork!FromwhatIcantell,you'reusing2.0forsuper
effectiveand0.5fornotveryeffectivemultipliers.Thosearewhat
weassumedfromthemaingameseries.Dataminers(sorrycan't
findsourcebutwasonthissubreddit)havepointedoutthatsuper
effectiveis1.25andnotveryeffectiveis0.8.
Isittruethatcriticalhitsareonlypossibleonspecialmoves?Not
surewhatthechanceisorifitvariesfromonemovetoanother.
Alsonotseemwhatthecritdamagemultiplieris.
ForWhichMoveSetCountersaTypebest,canyoutakeout
Mewtwoandthelegendarybirdssincenoonecanobtainthemyet?
Canyouhaveonebestcounterforanattackthatissupereffective
andonethatisnormaleffective?
Also,whereareyougettingthemovesetsfrom?Itwasn'tclearto

meintheprotobuffilewhichmoveswereinthemovesetsof
particularpokemon.Inparticular,youhaveHitmonchan(correctly)
Hitmonchan
learningBrickBreakbutI'veseenanothermoveslistingonhere
thatomittedit.
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[S] 5points7daysago

AUSTRALASIA

Thedatawasminedandpostedhere:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemongodev/comments/4t59t1/dec
oded_game_master_protobuf_file_v01_all_pokemon/
https://gist.github.com/anonymous/540700108cf0f051e11f702
73e9e2590
Themovelistforpokemonwasdecodedhere:
https://jsfiddle.net/cwkfga1w/embedded/result/
Thespecialmovesweredecodedhere:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ANLgkjeOWx8Fi1jDm
3MgFfZjZX4yIyd1xVbuZ1gQGs/edit#gid=1280040344
Ihadtodecodethefastmovesmyselftheyareonthegoogle
docs:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I0Kt_QblThH2rf7vdZ
OC2L1Nuf7Y1xx68j_KYwfcpXc/edit#gid=919171139
FromthemineddatacriticalsareonlypossibleonSpecials,and
theratesareinthere.Iassumedx1.5dmgforcriticalsbasedon
GenVI.
Someotherpeoplehavebeensayingit's1.25and0.8,doesthis
meanwecanhave1.25x1.25ifbothattributesareweak,oris
itlimitedtojust1.25?Needsomesourcehereandi'llrerunthe
model.
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1point7daysago

Awesome,thanks!Iwasonlyawareofthefirstlink.
Ihaven'tseentheexactsourcefor1.25and0.8,justposts
betweenhereand/r/pokemondevthatstateitasfact.This
posthasaspreadsheetwithatypechartthatdoesnot
doubleapplyweaknessesorresistsasdoneinthemaingame
line.So1.25and0.8only.
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[S] 3points7daysago

Thatpostyoulinkedtothatdudewasdefinitelywrong
then.Iwouldknow.
someoneelsehaslinkedto
http://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/combat
buttheydotheirDPScalculationswrong,soi'mnotsure
howaccuratetherestofitis.
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[] Rurikar 8points7daysago

LookslikeIgotmeawinnerthan.
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[] Muskrat21

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WPBFL

4points8daysago

ithoughtnoonehasmewtwosohowisheonthelists?
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[S] 2points8daysago

Itwasdataminedoveratpokemondev.LookintheGoogle
sheetforalltheinfo
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[] gravytrain2012 3points8daysago*

I'malittlelosthere,whatdoesthepeakmean?
Alsoforanexamplequestion:doesthismeanifIhavemultiple
ScythersIshouldonlyfocusonpoweringuponethathasFury
CutterandNightSlash?
Edit:Onemorequestion,isthereanywaytoguaranteeanevolve
withoneofthesemovesets?
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2points8daysago*

It'smakingverylittlesensetomeonScytheraswell..other
spreadsheethasstatedSteelWingandBugBuzzisthebest..
SteelWinghaving11.2DPSvs.FuryCutter7.5.andNight
SlashistheonlyScyther2ndmovewithoutthebenefitofSTAB,
anddoesthelowestdamage.ItISfastthanbugbuzz.Buthuh?
SW:11.278dps
FC:7.5*1.25STAB=9.375dps
BUTSW:+4energy/attack
FC:+12energy/attack
SOtospecialmoves!XS:14.29*1.25=17.86dps
BB:11.76*1.25=14.7
NS:9.26dps
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[S] 1point7daysago

((2Lvl+4)/100*Attack/Defence*
Power+2)STAB*Modifier
Isthedamageformulaused.Givesahugeboosttofast
attacks.
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Itotallymissedwhatpeakistoo.
The"optimalmoveset"iswhatyouwillwanttofocusuponfor
endgame,butuntilyougetthere,CPistypicallyking.
Idon'tbelievethereisanywaytoguaranteeanevolutiontoa
certainmoveset.ThetheoriesI'veseenhaveallbeenbustedso
far.
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[S] 2points7daysago

Eachattackerhas460numberswhichdefinehowmanyHP
poolsitwouldhave"left"afteritkilledthedefender.
Ifitcouldkillwithouttakinganydamagethiswould=1
IfitwasonhalfHPoncekilled=0.5
Iftheybothdiedatthesametime=0
Ifit'sareallyweakpokemonupagainstastrongoneeg
HitmonleeRockSmashLowSweepvsMewtwoPsychoCut
Psychicthen=29.35(thatisMewtwocoulddefendagainst
29hitmonleesbeforeitdies)

Howdoweaddallthosenumbersuptomakearanking
system?Ifwejustaddedthemwewouldbedoingadis
servicetoweakpokemonwholost1battle.
Reallywewanttoconcentrateonhowthepokemonperforms
infavourablematchupsegyou'donlyuseaGrasstype
pokemonwhenfightingawatertype.Wewon'twanttomake
venasourlookbadbyputtingitupagainstlotsoffiretypes.
SoIaddedupthesquaresofallthebattlewhentheywon,
andignoredthebattleswhentheylost.Thus"Peaking"their
goodattributesandsofteningtheirbadones.
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[] hatmtg 3points8daysago

Canyouelaborateonthedamageformula?
Damage=((2l+4)/100((Atk_x)/(Def_y))
[Power]+2)STAB(1+Crit/2)AccuracyMulti
Didyouminedthisformulafromthegameoristhisyourguess?
AndisthereaparticularreasonwhyyouthinkATKandDEFfollowa
proportionalrelationship?
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[] Qmike

AUSTRALASIA

[S] 1point7daysago

Thisisnotdatamined,andcouldbewrong.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Damage
Imodifiedtheconstantstoaccountformaxlvl40.
Itestedafewdifferentpokemonandlevelsvsthesame
defendertoconfirm.Theresultslookedgood.
Italsoexplainswhypeopleareexperiencingthe"samedamage"
fordifferentCPpokemoninsomecases.(that+2isahuge
gamechanger)
ItalsoexplainswhyweakCPmoncankillhighCP.andwhyfast
movesfeelsomuchmoreoverpoweredthanslowmoves.
Don'tworry,asyouleveluptheslowmovesgetstrongerthat
+2becomeslessimportant.
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[] TotesMessenger 2points8daysago

I'mabot,bleep,bloop.Someonehaslinkedtothisthreadfrom
anotherplaceonreddit:
[/r/pokemongo](Xpost)BestPokemonRevealedDataMined
PokemonStatsAnalysed
Ifyoufollowanyoftheabovelinks,pleaserespecttherulesofredditanddon't
voteintheotherthreads.(Info/Contact)
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[] hydrohawke

CANADA

ONTARIO

2points8daysago

Wouldyoubeabletopostthebestattack/defensemovesetsforall
Pokemonlikeyouhadinthelastthread?I'mawhileawayfroma
Venusaur,butIwouldn'tmindholdingontomybestBulbasaurjust
becauseI'macompletionist.
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[] roosterchains
ago

USAPACIFICCOAST

SANDIEGO,CA

5points8days

Clickonhimtoseedpspermoveset
http://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/pokemonlist
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[S] 2points7daysago

Wehavehadveryconflictingresultsofpeopletalkingabout
howmuchCPhasaneffectonthedamageofamove.
ThereasonfortheconflictingresultsIbelieveisbecause
damageisbasedoffthesameformulathatPokemonhas
alwaysusedjustadjustforamaxlevelof40insteadof100.
((2Lvl+4)/100Attack/DefencePower+2)STAB*Modifier
That+2makesallthedifference.AruleofThumbisatlevel
20add5powertoanymove,atlvl40add2.
Assumingthisformulaiscorrectallmytestingingymsto
dateshowsitisthenthedpsprovidedbythatwebsiteis
incorrect.
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[] hydrohawke

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CANADA

ONTARIO

1point8daysago

Thanks!
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[] Qmike

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[S] 1point7daysago

Ijusthavetoprefacethiswithweactuallydon'tknowhowthe
defendingpokemonattacksyetbutbasedontheassumptions
we'vealreadymadeseeherethetoptwoVenusaurdefending.
Itseemslikeintheendineedtoloadthewholedatasetup
onlinesomewherepeoplearewantingtoomanyspecificresults.
59Venusaur1.34VineWhipPetalBlizzard
70Venusaur1.21VineWhipSludgeBomb
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2points8daysago

SEATTLE

Noobishquestion:Isthereanywaytopredictmovesetofafinal
evolutionwhenlookingatapokemon'searlierforms?OrdoIjust
evolveandhopeforthebest?
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[] SoarinSen

USAMOUNTAINWEST

UTAH

3points8daysago

Evolveandhopeforthebest!
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[] 163700 2points8daysago

Accordingtothelatestdataminedinfo,Ibelievethebonusesfor
notveryeffectiveandveryeffectivewere0.8and1.2.
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[] niceville 3points7daysago*

0.8and1.25,asthatbalancestheother.
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[] Qmike

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AUSTRALASIA

[S] 1point7daysago

Sourceplease?
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[] thisisredditnigga
daysago

USASOUTHWEST

ARIZONA

1point7

Justmakeanotherpostasking,you'dgetananswer
faster
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2points7daysago*

SostartbysayingGREATworkandthankssomuch.
Scyther'ssecondmoveshouldbeXScissorIthinkthough.It's
19.29DPSwithSTABvs.16.025BugBuzzDPSand9.91Night
SlashDPS.
FuryCutter,although9.375DPSwithStab,givessignificantlymore
energythanSteelWing(11.278DPS),allowing2ndmoveuse.
(+21oversameattackgiving+4).
SoIdidthemath:
SteelWingspamandFuryCutter+XScissorlineup(ascloseasI
wanttocalculateitto)every6.6s.Inthat6.6s,yougetoff6FC,2
XSvs.5SW..Grandtotals:97.5damagevs.75damage.ANDSW
takes50msmoretogetthere.
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[S] 1point7daysago

AUSTRALASIA

XScissorisonthelistofuselessspecialmovesassuchany
othermoveisbetterasitcouldprovemoreusefulinsomeother
situation.
Thedamageformulayouareusingisnotthesameaswhati
usedwhichiswhywearegettingdifferentresults.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Damage
Thedataneedstoberedonewiththenewtypeadvantages,so
wemightseesomechangesagain.
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1point7daysago

Cool,appreciatetheresponse.Stilllotstogobutyou're
kickingas!
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[] lulzbanana 1point7daysago

WaitwhyisXScissoruseless?
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[] lulzbanana 1point7daysago

WaitwhyisXScissoruseless?
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[S] 1point6daysago

XScissor'sDPSislessthantheFastMovesDPS.Sothere
isnoreasontoeveruseit.
Butthisisforanaboveaveragepokemonsdefence.Lower
CP/DefencepokemonwilltakemoredamagefromX
Scissorbecauseofthewaythedamageformulaworks.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Damage
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[] lulzbanana 1point5daysago

OkanddoesmyScytherwithATK1,DEF15,STA13
seemsusable?heisthebestIVIhavegottensofar,
butIwonderifthat1ATKmakeshimuseless:(
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[] Janube 2points7daysago*

Isthedamageformularippedfromthecode,orisitderivedfrom
somethingelse?Justwanna'makesureIknowhowcertainweare
onthat.
EDIT:Also,whyiscritincludedinthedamageformula?Isthat
averagedamagethen?
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[] Qmike

AUSTRALASIA

[S] 1point7daysago

Thisisnotdatamined,andcouldbewrong.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Damage
Imodifiedtheconstantstoaccountformaxlvl40.
Itestedafewdifferentpokemonandlevelsvsthesame
defendertoconfirm.Theresultslookedgood.
Italsoexplainswhypeopleareexperiencingthe"samedamage"
fordifferentCPpokemoninsomecases.(that+2isahuge
gamechanger)
ItalsoexplainswhyweakCPmoncankillhighCP.andwhyfast
movesfeelsomuchmoreoverpoweredthanslowmoves.
Don'tworry,asyouleveluptheslowmovesgetstrongerthat
+2becomeslessimportant.
Critwasfoundforspecialmoveswhendatamined.iassumedit
wasx1.5asitisinGenVI.butitcouldbex1.25asmostofthe
bonuseshavegone?
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[] DeadBoi 2points7daysago

DoIVsreallymatterasidefromitdeterminingtheCP?Justcurious
asIhaveaslowbrobutaccordingtothecalculatorstheslowbrohas
crapIVs.
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[] Qmike

AUSTRALASIA

[S] 1point7daysago

TohavethesameCPasa15/15/15IVDragonite
A0/0/0Dragonitewouldneedtobe4levelshigher(8additional
powerups)Roughlya12%difference.WeakerPokemonwould
havemorebenefitfromgoodIVsthanstrongones.
Soyes,itdoesmakeafairsizedifference,especiallywhenyou
gettolaterlevels.
Butatthesametimemovesetmakesabigdifferencetoo.
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[] DeadBoi 1point7daysago

WhatifmyPokemon'sCPwaslessthan10/10/10?Doesthis
meanthatPokemonisawasteofinvestmentbecausethat's
whathappenedtomyVaporeon.Flareonontheotherhand
seemstohave8/14/14.
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Citeyoursourcesplease.
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[] Qmike

AUSTRALASIA

[S] 5points7daysago

Sorry,itwaslate,ijustwantedtogetitoutbeforeiwentto
bed.
Thedatawasminedandpostedhere:
https://www.reddit.com/r/pokemongodev/comments/4t59t1/dec
oded_game_master_protobuf_file_v01_all_pokemon/
https://gist.github.com/anonymous/540700108cf0f051e11f702
73e9e2590
Themovelistforpokemonwasdecodedhere:
https://jsfiddle.net/cwkfga1w/embedded/result/
Thespecialmovesweredecodedhere:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ANLgkjeOWx8Fi1jDm
3MgFfZjZX4yIyd1xVbuZ1gQGs/edit#gid=1280040344
Ihadtodecodethefastmovesmyselftheyareonthegoogle
docs:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I0Kt_QblThH2rf7vdZ
OC2L1Nuf7Y1xx68j_KYwfcpXc/edit#gid=919171139
FromthemineddatacriticalsareonlypossibleonSpecials,and
theratesareinthere.Iassumedx1.5dmgforcriticalsbasedon
GenVI.
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[] Games_and_Dames

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1point8daysago

Isthereawaytogetthetypecounterlistbasedonmovesetswith
Pokemonthatareonlyavailablerightnow?
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[] Sauceman87

USAMOUNTAINWEST

ARIZONA

1point7daysago

Someoneneedstomakeanappormobilefriendlysitewiththis
information!
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[] Edmund952 1point7daysago

Cansomeonebrieflyexplainthedifferencesinresultsfromthe
belowDPSlisttoOP'stierlist?Confusedwithallthesetierlists
sayingdifferentthings.
http://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/pokemonlist
E.g.Whilstthispostadvocatesthatit'snotworthusingVape's
specialattacks,theabovelinkproposesthataquatail'sDPSis
actuallyslightlyhigherthanWaterGun.
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[] Qmike

AUSTRALASIA

[S] 1point7daysago

Wehavehadveryconflictingresultsofpeopletalkingabouthow
muchCPhasaneffectonthedamageofamove.
ThereasonfortheconflictingresultsIbelieveisbecause
damageisbasedoffthesameformulathatPokemonhasalways
usedjustadjustforamaxlevelof40insteadof100.
((2Lvl+4)/100Attack/DefencePower+2)STAB*Modifier
That+2makesallthedifference.AruleofThumbisatlevel20
add5powertoanymove,atlvl40add2.
Assumingthisformulaiscorrectallmytestingingymstodate
showsitisthenthedpsprovidedbythatwebsiteisincorrect.
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[] iAwptimusPrime 1point7daysago

soijustgotavaporeonwithwatergunandwaterpulse,isthat
good?sorry,ijustwannabe100%lol
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[S] 1point7daysago

AUSTRALASIA

AllofVaporeon'sspecialmovesdolessdamagethanwatergun.
Soatalltimesyoushouldbeusingwatergunandneveruse
yourspecial
MakinganyVapasgoodasthenextnomatterwhatmoveset
theyget.
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[] padmanek

WESTERNEUROPE

DENMARK

2points6daysago

AquaTaildoesmoreDPSthanWaterGun.Allthe
spreadsheetssofarsaidsoatleast.
http://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/pokemon/134
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[S] 1point6daysago

Hereisthatwebsite'ssummaryofhowitcalculatesDPS:
http://i.stack.imgur.com/DzifS.png
Youwillnoticetheygivetheequationsforhowto
calculateamovesDPSandthenjustmultiplyitbytheir
AttackstattogettotalDPS.
ThishasneverbeenhowthePokemonfranchisehas
calculateddamagedone.AformulabasedonLevel,
Attack,Power&Defencehasalwaysbeenused.Thelevel
partoftheequationisimportant,aswithoutit,atlow
levelitwouldtake1attacktokillamobandathighlevel
asHPsincreaseitwouldtakehundreds.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Damage
IusedtheBulbapediaformula,modifiedtohaveamax
levelof40.
I'vedoneexperimentsatmylocalGymwhichsuggest
thisformulaiscorrect.Ifyou'dliketogiveitagotooall
youneedtodocollect:
OpponentPokemon
OpponentCP
YourPokemon
YourCP
YourFastMove
NumberofFastMovesCompletedtoKill(orHP%
reducedby)
Thenwecanhavealookatwhichformulaiscorrectwith
yourdata.
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[] padmanek
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WESTERNEUROPE

DENMARK

1point6days

Attackanimationspeedhasneverhadanyimpacton
DPSinPokemonfranchise,yetitdoesmatteralotin
PokemonGo.RememberthatPokemonGoisnotturn
basedlikeallotherPokemongameswere.Idon'tsee
anyanimationspeedinBulbapedia'sformulasoI
honestlydon'tthinkyourcalculationsareanygood.

Butstill,Ihavenoprooftoproveyouwrongandand
youdon'thaveanytoprovemewrong.Yousaidyou
didsometestinginyourGYM.Didyouuseamacroto
ideallytimeyourattackstobeasfastaspossible?Lag
willgreatlyimpacttheresultstoo.It'sprettymuch
impossibletoreliablytestitatthegym.Youcando
testslikethatinturnbasedgamesbutnotinreal
timegames.Youneedanexternalsimulationtoolfor
measuringthatlikeSimulationCraftforWorldof
Warcraft.
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[S] 1point6daysago

Youraisesomevalidpoints,andtheconstantsin
theformulai'musingcouldveryeasilybewrong.
Onequestionikeptcomingbacktowasthat+2
eventhoughi'mreducingthelevelconstantsto
matchamaxlevelof40insteadof100inever
changedthe+2.Maybeitshouldbearound0.25
instead?
Ifthatwebsitesmethodiscorrectthen:
DPS(A)~A()*Power/Duration
WhereAissomefunctionofatk,defenceandlevel

WhileBulbapediasuggestsitis:
DPS(B)~(B()*Power+C)/Duration

Thisisactuallyveryeasytotest,takeSytherasan
example(howeverbothmysyther'shaveSW,so
noteasyforme)
ForFurryCutter:
DPS(A)~A()*7.5
DPS(B)~B()*25

WhileforSteelWing
DPS(A)~A()*11
DPS(B)~B()*15

ThereforeifyouhaveaSytherwithSWandone
withFC
IfAisrightthenSteelWingshouldkillDPS(A)/
1.25/DPS(A)=1.17=17%FasterthanFC
Or
IfBisrightthenFCshouldkillDPS(B)*1.25/
DPS(B)=2.0=100%fasterthanSW

Alternativelyyoucouldtakeamagikarptoyour
localgymandseethatitdoesdodamagedespite
apowerof0.
Seephotohere:http://imgur.com/a/HYEM0
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[] iAwptimusPrime 0points6daysago

Ohsoyoushouldwantwaterpulsebecausesinceithasfour

bars,itmakeswatergunattksuperfast?
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[] IfyouwontIwill 1point6daysago

doesn'tmatter.thesecondmovedoesntaffectthefirst
move.andwithvaporeonyoushouldneverusethe
secondmove.
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[S] 1point6daysago

AUSTRALASIA

I'mnotsurewhatcorrelationyouarereferringto.
Idon'tbelievethenumberofchargesyourspecialmove
hashasanythingtodowiththespeedofyourfast
attack.
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[] iAwptimusPrime 1point6daysago

ohhokay,sorryireadsomewherethatitdid.
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[S] 1point6daysago

Ifyoucanprovidesomesourcei'dbehappyto
includeitintheformulas
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[] iAwptimusPrime 1point6daysago

wellitwasatwitchuser,iheardhimsayitlol.
forgotwhothough.
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[] iAwptimusPrime 1point6daysago

hm,doyouknowifa1560vapeisworthupgrading?
ithaswatergunandwaterpulse
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[S] 1point6daysago

Idon'townaVape,soformeyes!
IfyouhadmanyVapestochoosefromthemyou
needtostartlookingattheIVs.Butintheend
VapesareverystrongregardlessofIVs.
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[] iAwptimusPrime 1point6daysago

itsmyfirstvapehaha,ievolveditfroma585
eevee.ihavelotsofeeveesinmytownsoim
notsureifishouldpoweruporwaitfora
strongereeveetocometome.
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[] ZombiePandy 1point7daysago

Isthereanywaytosortthefirsttablebyrank?Copypastato
spreadsheetsendsupinamess:/
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[] southerneye 1point7daysago

hi,sodoyoumeanvenusaurwithvinewhipisbetterthanrazor
leaf?Butlastpostyousaidrazarleafisbetter,soideletedtwo

venusaurwithvinewhipyesterday.
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[] southerneye 1point7daysago

alsofordragonite,Ihaveonethatisdragonbreathandoneas
steelwing,accordingtoyourresultonthispost,dragonbreath
iswaybetter?soIcandeletethedragonbreathright?
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[] Pikaoui 1point7daysago

okso,getasnorlaxwithlick..gg?
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[] back2back100 1point7daysago

zenheadbuttimo,nooneisperfectatdodging
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1point6daysago

THEUK&IRELAND

peak?
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[] BoredOfYou_

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1point6daysago

AnylocationwhereSnorlaxesarecommon?
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[] yungmimo 1point6daysago

now,whyispoliwrathbestwithhydropump?trulymakesnosense.
icepunchbeatsgrassandflyingtypesandalsohasmoredamage
outputWHILEgettinggroundtypepokemonasmudshotdoesthe
rest
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[S] 1point6daysago

Thisisoutofdate.Pleaserefertonewpost:
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/4tot4l/top_d
ps_damage_pokemon/
Buttoanswerthequestionyouareright.It'sjusti'mlooking
atnomodifiersnow.ThereasonbeforewasaPoliwrathwithIce
bunchagainstaGrassPokemonwouldprobablylooseduetohis
mainmovebeingwateranyway.You'dbebetteroffwiththe
differenttypealltogether.

FA ST
DPS

S PE CIA L
DPS

Hydro
Pump

13.67

12.33

Mud
Shot

Submission

13.67

11.24

Poliwrath

Mud
Shot

IcePunch

13.67

8.05

Poliwrath

Bubble

Submission

5.07

11.24

Poliwrath

Bubble

Hydro
Pump

5.07

12.33

N A ME

FA ST

S PE CIA L

Poliwrath

Mud
Shot

Poliwrath

Poliwrath
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[] yungmimo 1point6daysago

thatsfinebutnowthatSTABisathing,iminadilemma
withgoinghpumporicepunchheh
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[S] 1point6daysago

AUSTRALASIA

ThenumbersyouseethereincludeSTAB.buthaveno
TypeModifer.
Soifyou'reupagainstDragonite=Flying+Dragonthen
IcePunchisdefnitelythewaytogo.
Ifyou'reupagainstaNormal/Rockthensubmissionis
best
Andhydropumpisgoodagainst...wellnotmanyreally
seeingasground(MudShot)havesimilartypemodifiers
toWater.
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[] yungmimo 1point6daysago

lastthing,ifyouwill.soimlookingatthese
calculations,andimireallyreadingthisright?:a
stabbedattackdoingnotsupereffectivewilljust
counteroutthemodifiersandmakeit=1(anormal
hit)?
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AUSTRALASIA

[S] 1point6daysago

Yep,notsurewhathappensiftherearetwonot
effectivemodifiersthough.doesitbecomex0.8
still?
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1point6daysago

PsychicVs.GhostBallonHypno?
IhadpreviouslythoughtthatGhostBallwasbetterforhaving
anothertypedmove.
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[] Qmike

AUSTRALASIA

[S] 2points6daysago

Checkoutthenewpost.Itanswers,sortof,thosequestions.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/4tot4l/top_d
ps_damage_pokemon/
Andupvoteit,it'snotgettingmuchvisibility
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UKANDIRELAND

1point6daysago

Ithinkifyoulinkedtotheexcelfileatthetopit'dgetmore
likes.
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[S] 1point6daysago

Idid,ordoesitnotshowup?
TLDR:FindgooglesheetwithlistofPokemonDPS&
Damageoutputhere:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I0Kt_QblTh

H2rf7vdZOC2L1Nuf7Y1xx68j_KYwfcpXc/edit?
usp=sharing
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[] Chazn2
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USAMIDWEST

UKANDIRELAND

1point6days

Mainpostshows:[removed]
andnothingelse
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[] Phelerox 1point6daysago
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Nu
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[] RlyCoolCat 1point6daysago

Whydooptimalsetspotentiallychangeatmaxlevel?
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[] Qmike

[S] 2points5daysago

AUSTRALASIA

Theformulafordamageisdependantonlevel,aswellattack
anddefencewhicharealsodependantonlevel.
Hereisabasicexamplewherethefastattackisbetteratlow
levels,buttheslowattackbetterathighlevel.

M ODE L

L E VE L

A TK

DE F

P OWE R

D UR

Low
Level
Slow
Attack

10

10

10

1000

High
Level
Slow
Attack

30

600

600

10

1000

Low
Level
Fast
Attack

10

10

400

High
Level
Fast
Attack

30

600

600

400

YoucanthinkofSpecialMovesasveryveryslowattacks.
Sotheybecomestrongerandstrongerasyoulevelup.(butthe
differencediminishesovertime)
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1point5daysago

I'mhopingyoucanansweraquestionforme.
WhydoesGolemdolessdamageagainstDragonthanhedoes

againstNormal?(Referringtothesecondpageofyourdocument).
NormalhasnospecialinteractionwithRockorGround,andneither
doesDragon.WhyisitthatGolemdoes227vsNormalbutonly
183vsDragon?Ihavetriedfor15minutestocomeupwitha
solutiontothisbutIcan't.
Pleaseletmeknowiftherewasanerror!
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AUSTRALASIA

EDIT:Thisthreadisoutdated.Pleaserefertonewpost
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/4tot4l/top_d
ps_damage_pokemon/
Normalhasx0.8againstRock.
SoGolemseffectiveHPagainstnormalisaroundx1.25(actually
1.2388)ofthatwhenit'sagainstdargon.
AsGolemsabletolivelongeragainstanormalmob,hecan
thereforedomoredamage.NotthathisDPSgoesup.
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USAPACIFICCOAST

LOSANGELES

1point4days

Thankyoufortheresponse!Ihaveanotherquestion,ifyou
don'tmind.
WhenaPokemonisfacingamultitypePokemon,onetypeof
whichitissupereffectiveagainsttheotherithasjust
normaleffectivenessagainst,whathappens?Isthemove
supereffectiveorjustnormal1x?
Also,doyouhaveacalculatorthatallowsdirectmatchup
testing?Example:GolemvsDragoniteeachwithoptimal
movesets?
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[S] 1point4daysago

Thedatadumpswehavedon'tsayexactly,butinthe
normalgamestheeffectiveness'saremultipliedtogether.
so1.25*1=1.25inyourexample.
Thepostyouarecommentingondidmatchupall465
possiblepokemon/movesetsagainstallother465.What
you'resortofaskingforisacalculator/sheettodowitha
giveninputiguess?
Somethingthatcoulddefinitelybedone,butweneedto
knowmoreabouthowthedefendingpokemonattacks
beforeitwouldbereliable.
Alsodoyoudodge?Howdowetakeintoaccounthow
skillfulsomeoneisatdodging?WhatabouttheDPSlost
duetoit,andfastermovesmakeiteasiertododge.It
getsveryvariablewhenthosequestionsgetaddedina
10CPattackcouldtakeouta2000CPifhejustdodged
everyattack.
Inthemorerecentpost/googledocsyoucanseetheDPS
ofeachmove,andthepotentialdamage(functionofDPS
andhowlongitwouldsurvivetodothatDPS)which
shouldbeenoughinformationtoanswermostofyour
questions
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LOSANGELES

1point

Okay,soI'msorrytobotheragain,butIstilldon'tsee

howIcantestmatchupsorviewthemasterlist.Isee
thatyousaythatyouhavematchedupallmovesets
againstallothers,andputawin%nexttothem,but
likeIsaid,withanymovesetthatisn't100%winrate,
howdoIknowwhichitlosesto?Orseehowclosethe
matchupis?Isthereahugemasterlistsomewhere
whereIcanseeallofthesematchups,seehowclose
thematchupsare,etc?
Istherewayformetosee,forexample,howmuch
damageaVenusaurondefensewoulddotoa
Vaporeon,evenifitwouldn'twin?(PS:Iagreeto
leavedodgingtothesidefornow,allIwanttoseeis
theindividualmatchupsofattackersvsdefenders,
andpotentiallycomparisonsofattackervsattacker
(akawhatPVPwouldlooklikewithoutdodging).
Isthisanyofthisdatasomethingthatyoucouldlet
megetaholdof?IfsoIwouldbeincredibly
grateful!
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[S] 1point4daysago

Allgood.
Thatarrayofdatais465x465plusthe50input
andsortingcolumns.
Googledocsonlyallows26columns,soican'tput
itupforeveryonetosee.
ThebestthingyoucanlookatisthePotential
Damageofthepokemonforthematchupyou
wanttolookat.Applyanytypemodifersandsee
whichoneislarger.
Keepinminddefendingpokemondon'tattacklike
normalhumans,ihaven'tfiguredoutthe
mechanicsfullyyetsowe'redoignthisasifit
were2humansthatneverdodged,butknewif
theirspecialmoveswereworthusing.

N A ME

FA ST

S PE CIA L

D MG

Vaporeon

Water
Gun

Water
Pulse

393

Venusaur

Vine
Whip

Petal
Blizzard

233

M ODIFIE R

LateronperhapssomeoneorIwillmakea
comparisonsheet,butatthatpointwe'dprobably
bewantingtoincludeIVsofyourpokemon,CPof
opponentetc.inwhichcasewe'llalsowanttobea
lotmoreaccurateonthefightingmechanics.
PS.thesenumbersmayseemdifferentbecause
they'vebeenupdatedagaintoday.You're
commentinginanoutdatedthreadstill.
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LOSANGELES

Okay,soIdohavethedocumentthatyou
linkedinthemorerecentthread...thisone,
right?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I0Kt
_QblThH2rf7vdZOC2L1Nuf7Y1xx68j_KYwfcpXc/
htmlview?sle=true#gid=459398309
Idon'tseewherethe#393comesfromfor
Vaporeon.Iseehisdamagelistedat251or
246dependingonmoveset...theonlyplaceI
see393whenIsearchthewholedocumentis
justthenumberingofarow.
Wouldyoumindgivingtheheadtoheaddata
onahandfulofthebestperformingpokemon
vseachother?LikeSnorlax,Vaporeon,
Dragonite,Lapras,Slowbro,Golem,Blastoise?
LetmeknowifI'maskingtoomuchhere,but
thatinformationforattackinganddefending
matchupswouldprettymuchbeacompetitive
playersbiblerightnow.Thedatasheetofyours
I'vebeenworkingwithformanymanyhours
thelastfewdaystodrawfromitwhatIneedto
reallymin/maxhard,soifIcouldgetthe
matchupsforonlythosepokemonforattack,
defense,and"2humanswhoneverdodged"
thatwouldbeamazing.Superincredibly
amazing.
I'msorryifI'maskingtoomuch,youhave
donesomuchgreatstuffalready.I'monly
askingthisbecauseI'mimaginingittaking
onlyaminutetocopy/pastethesematchups
andtheirresults,butImightbetotallywrong
aboutthat.Stillworthanask!
Thankssomuchagain!
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[S] 1point4daysago

Hey
THisthisisoutdated,pleasereadthenew
threadwiththeformulasthatexplainthis.
https://redd.it/4tot4l
InsummarytheMaxDamageishowmuch
damagethatmovesetcandobeforethe
pokemondies.Notjustit'sDPS,butalso
factorsinit'shealthanddefence.
TheComboDPSisthecombinedFastand
SpecialMoveDPS.IftheFastDPSaloneis
higherasinVaporeonscasethenthe
Combo(Special)DPSisignored.THatiswhy
theMaxDPS=FastDPSforVaporeon.
Iunderstandinthenewposttheactual
postisn'tshowingup,soiputitinthe
commentsaswelltoexplainhowthe
formulaswork.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/co
mments/4tot4l/top_dps_damage_pokemon/
d5k693e
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1point5daysago

Howdothesecomparewiththis:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PiBGv76OpeaW95r
5x3xbK5suWFDSXE5Zweq9j7kKhs/htmlview?
usp=sharing&sle=true#
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[S] 1point4daysago

Thereisanupdatedpost:https://redd.it/4tot4l
ThegameranksbasedonCPwhere:
CP~CPm*Atk*Def^0.5*HP^0.5
WhereCPmisconstantforgivenlevel

Thepostyoulinkedusedtheformulas:
Damage=[power]*attack*STAB*60*1000/duration/5
Total=Damage0.5*HP0.5*Def0.5
Whichwhenyousimplifyittotherelationshipwiththevariables
is
Total~Atk0.5*Def0.5*HP0.5*[Power]0.5/Duration0.5
Nowjustlookingatthat,thismeansthatifyouhadamovethat
didtwicethedamage(atthesamespeed)itwouldonlybe
worthx1.4asgoodonhisscale.Thatjustdoesnotmakesense
atall.
SimilarlyifyouhadapokemonwithtwicetheHP,therefore
beingalivetwicethelengthoftime,beingabletoputouttwice
thedamageitisagainonlyworthx1.4more.

Theformulausedinthelatestpostofmineis:
Damage=((2l+4)/100*((Atk_x)/(Def_y))*[Power]+0.25)*
STAB*(1+Crit/2)*Accuracy*Multi
Eff.HP_x=(HP_x0.25*h_xy)*D_x/D_y
h_xy=((HP_x*D_x))/(A_y*P_y+0.25*D_x)
Total=DPS_x*((Eff.HP_x)/(DPS_y))
Whenyousimplifythatdowntothevariables,wellthereisa
constantinthere.
Total~(Atk*[Power]+a)/Duration*(HP(HP*Def)/(b
+a*Def))*Def
wherea=0.25,andb=~1000
Whichquitefranklymaylookmorecomplicated,butwillmatch
uptoanylogicalstatementyougiveit.SuchasincreasingHPis
alwaysalittlebitbetterthanincreasingdefencebecausethere
isaminimumamountofdamageanattackwilldoregardlessof
defence.
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[] J2digital 1point4daysago

IthoughtIsawtheinformationonthispostbutIcan'tfinditnow.
DoesanyonerememberwhereitwaspostedthetopPokemonthat
gainthemostCPwhengivencandies?
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[] a_gentlegiant[ ] 1point4daysago

Istherealinktothespreadsheetinsteadofthetextlisthere.
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[] heavonearth 1point4daysago*

itsnotupdatingforme?iinputvaluesbutnothingloading
nvmitworksnotforlowcppokemonthosuchas66/21/1000
magickarp
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[] yizhous 1point3daysago

Sofordragonite,Ihearotherssayingsteelwing+dragonpulseis
thebestmovesetandyourpreviouspostalsosaidso.Whatmakes
youchangeyourmindandnowthismovesetissomuchworse?I
haveadragonitewhichhassteelwing+dragonpulseandhas
2100cp.Howbadcoulditbe?DoyouthinkIshouldpowerhimup?
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[] back2back100 1point3daysago

Trustme,yourdragoniteisfarbeyondanyothersrightnow
evenifit'sjust1movesetthatisdifferent.Besides,therewill
bemanypatchestocomewhichmayormaynotboostsomeof
thesemovessetssojusthangonthere!
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[S] 1point2daysago

Thisisanoutdatedpost.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/4tot4l/top_d
ps_damage_pokemon/
ThereasonthoughisinthefirstpostihadnotincludedSTAB,
minDmg,andTypemodifierswerex2
Thenewpostranksthemondamageoutputwhichisafunction
ofatk,defandHPtogiveanoverallrating.
STAB=1.25
MinDmg=0.8
TypeModifers=1.25
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[] FFXIVFisher 1point3daysago

HowcomeNidokingisbetterwithearthquakebutNidoqueenisnot?
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[S] 1point2daysago

Thisthreadisoutdated:updatedhere:Thisisanoutdatedpost.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/4tot4l/top_d
ps_damage_pokemon/
EarthquakeDPS<PoisonJab,soitisn'tusedatall.
NidoqueenhashigherattackandHP,sotheresultswillbe
slightlydifferentforeaach.
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[] Marsinator 1point3daysago

playrough?neverheardofthatattack

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[S] 1point2daysago

AUSTRALASIA

Haven'tseenitmyself,butit'sinthedataset.
Couldbethatthereisanotherfilethatdefineshowoftenwesee
eachattacktypeandPlayRough=0
OnlyJiggly,WigglyandPersiancangetit.
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[] wasniahC 1point2daysago

It'sinthedatasetsforthat,andIhaveafriendthathas
"playrough"onhiswigglytuff.It'sdefinitelyin.
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[S] 2points2daysago

AUSTRALASIA

Goodtoknow,thanks!
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[] dalecookie 1point2daysago

Whyaretheresomanypokemonthataren'tinthegameyetonthe
sheet?
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[S] 1point1dayago

Datawasminedsowehavealltheinformation.
Thisisanoldthread.Newcalculatornowavailablefordownload
here:https://redd.it/4uffha
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[] NewGenerationSlave

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1point2daysago

Ifyouevolveyourpokemondobothmoveschangeoronlythefirst
orthesecondone?IhaveaGastlywithperfectIVsandhasSucker
punchandSludgeBomb.
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[S] 1point1dayago

IthinkreportsfromotherpeopleisIVstaythesame,butmoves
arerandomised(bothofthem)
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[S] 1point1dayago

NewThreadonDPS&TDOCalculation
DPScalculationspreadsheetnowavailablefordownload
ViewFormulasusedinthisthread
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[] iAwptimusPrime 1point1dayago

ijustgota1133cleanblastoisewithwatergun/icebeam,isthat
worthupgrading?orshouldiupgrademy1380blastoisethati
upgradedalittlealreadywithbite/steelcannon?
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[S] 1point1dayago

Thereisanewthreadandfileyoucandownloadnowhere:
https://redd.it/4uffha

Iaminthesamepositionasyou,butwithoutthewatergun.Bit
andsteelcannonareterrible.
ButyoualsoneedtoknowtheIVsare.gothere:
https://pokeassistant.com/
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[] iAwptimusPrime 1point1dayago

ithoughtbitewouldhelpjustincasewehaveto"fight"
mewtwolaterlol.
areyouupgradingthatblastoiseyouhave?sadlyidontknow
howtoreadthisIVstuff,butthisistheblastoisereadfor
thewatergun/icebeam.
LevelAttackDefenceStaminaPerfection17.087442.2%
17.0110433.3%17.078544.4%17.0101535.6%
18.006013.3%18.02106.7%
ThetablesbelowshowyourpossibleIVsagainstthebestand
worstIVsforyourPokemon'sspecies,anditsevolutions.The
CPandHPstatsbelowareforafullypoweredupPokemon,
level40.5.
BlastoiseAttackDefenceStaminaCPHPWorstPossible186
2221582191125YourWorst1882231582219125Your
Best1932301632350129BestPossible2012371732560
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Hey
IVs101:Eachofyourthreestats(atk,DefandStam)can
haveabonus015whichisrandomlyassignedwhen
yougetthepokemonandisforlife,throughevolutions
andeverything.
IVsincreasethebasestatsofyourpokemon.So15
Stam.IVforaBulbasaurisa16%increase(baseon90
stam)totheirHPatalllevels.
ThehigherthebasestatthelessofadifferenceanIVwill
make,butregardlesstheyareworthalot.Ithinkatlvl
30at15(perfect)IVsnorlaxisasstrongasalvl400IV
snorlax.Sofindingoneswith80100%isagoodideaand
evolvingthose.
TherearetwoformulasusedtodetermineIVs.theCP
calculationandtheHeathCalculation.Butasthereare3
variablesandonly2formulasitmeansthereisadegree
offreedom.
Hencewhyyougetarangeofvaluesthatwouldwork,
ratherthantheexactvalues.
Iwillnotbeupgradingmyblastoise,butaswedon't
knowhowallthegamemechanicsworkcompletelyyeti
won'tbedeletinghimeither.
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[] iAwptimusPrime 1point1dayago

ohdamn,thatmeansmyblastoiseiscraplol,itslike
40%ish.alrightthankslol.
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[] iAwptimusPrime 1point1dayago

sorryihaveonerandomquestion.whenapokemonin
thewildrunsawayfromyou,doesthatmeanits

forevergone?oristherelikeafiveminuterespawn
youhavetowaitfor?
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[S] 1point1dayago

AUSTRALASIA

Idon'thaveadefinitiveanswerforyou.
Myunderstandingisyes,it'sgoneforever.
Therearespawnlocations.exactlocationsthatis.
Aspawnlocationwillhave1Pokemonspawnevery
60minutesfor15mins.Soaparticularlocation
willalwaysspawnat8minspastthehouror
something.
Ifyouseemultiplepokemoninthearea,or
throughoutanhourit'sbecausetherearemultiple
spawnlocations,notthatonelocationisspawning
more.
Onceapokemonruns,oriscaughtyouwon'tseeit
again.
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[] iAwptimusPrime 1point1dayago

awwwhahaokay.yeahasnorlaxranawayfrom
me.butithoughtifiwaitedafewminutesit
wouldcomeback.thanksforuranswer!
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USASOUTH

/u/Qmikecanyoulinkmethemostuptodatethread?
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AUSTRALASIA

https://redd.it/4uffha
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Iwouldliketoechowhathasbeensaidinthecomments.Isit
possibletoseethelistswithoutthelegendarypokemonaswell?I
thinkthecurrentlistswillbehelpfulinthefuture,butasitstands
theyarehighlyskewed,asyoumentioned.
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UpdatedforEdit1Ihopethisstaysatthebottom,orcansomeone
tellmehowtodothespoilersthingtohideit?

EveryPossibleMovesetbyPokedexnumber
andSetRank
R A NK

N A ME

E FF .

FA ST

S PA CIA L

52

Venusaur

100%

VineWhip

SludgeBomb

66

Venusaur

94%

VineWhip

PetalBlizzard

67

Venusaur

94%

VineWhip

SolarBeam

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>

discussionsin/r/TheSilphRoad

1309points705comments

PokemonGOplayerspleasetestoutmynew
app,andcatchsomerarePokemoninthe
process!

143

Venusaur

62%

RazorLeaf

SludgeBomb

155

Venusaur

57%

RazorLeaf

PetalBlizzard

168

Venusaur

52%

RazorLeaf

SolarBeam

50

Charizard

100%

WingAttack

DragonClaw

58

Charizard

94%

WingAttack

Flamethrower

59

Charizard

94%

WingAttack

FireBlast

137

Charizard

62%

Ember

DragonClaw

145

Charizard

59%

Ember

Flamethrower

165

Charizard

53%

Ember

FireBlast

15

Blastoise

100%

WaterGun

FlashCannon

16

Blastoise

100%

WaterGun

IceBeam

17

Blastoise

100%

WaterGun

HydroPump

103

Blastoise

60%

Bite

HydroPump

122

Blastoise

54%

Bite

IceBeam

123

Blastoise

54%

Bite

FlashCannon

306

Butterfree

100%

BugBite

Psychic

313

Butterfree

97%

BugBite

BugBuzz

314

Butterfree

97%

BugBite

SignalBeam

437

Butterfree

11%

Confusion

Psychic

444

Butterfree

8%

Confusion

SignalBeam

445

Butterfree

8%

Confusion

BugBuzz

298

Beedrill

100%

BugBite

SludgeBomb

311

Beedrill

93%

BugBite

AerialAce

312

Beedrill

93%

BugBite

XScissor

346

Beedrill

70%

PoisonJab

SludgeBomb

358

Beedrill

63%

PoisonJab

XScissor

360

Beedrill

61%

PoisonJab

AerialAce

111

Pidgeot

100%

WingAttack

Hurricane

112

Pidgeot

100%

WingAttack

AerialAce

113

Pidgeot

100%

WingAttack

AirCutter

303

Pidgeot

36%

SteelWing

Hurricane

330

Pidgeot

31%

SteelWing

AerialAce

331

Pidgeot

31%

SteelWing

AirCutter

377

Raticate

100%

Bite

HyperFang

399

Raticate

76%

Bite

HyperBeam

401

Raticate

72%

Bite

Dig

429

Raticate

33%

QuickAttack

HyperFang

438

Raticate

22%

QuickAttack

HyperBeam

<

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app,andcatchsomerarePokemoninthe
process!

450

Raticate

14%

QuickAttack

Dig

380

Fearow

100%

Peck

DrillRun

386

Fearow

93%

Peck

AerialAce

387

Fearow

93%

Peck

Twister

405

Fearow

71%

SteelWing

AerialAce

406

Fearow

71%

SteelWing

DrillRun

409

Fearow

68%

SteelWing

Twister

291

Arbok

100%

Bite

GunkShot

307

Arbok

92%

Bite

SludgeWave

339

Arbok

74%

Bite

DarkPulse

359

Arbok

61%

Acid

GunkShot

363

Arbok

57%

Acid

SludgeWave

375

Arbok

46%

Acid

DarkPulse

250

Raichu

100%

ThunderShock

ThunderPunch

256

Raichu

98%

Spark

ThunderPunch

268

Raichu

92%

Spark

BrickBreak

273

Raichu

89%

ThunderShock

BrickBreak

278

Raichu

87%

Spark

Thunder

288

Raichu

82%

ThunderShock

Thunder

63

Sandslash

100%

MudShot

Earthquake

64

Sandslash

100%

MudShot

RockTomb

65

Sandslash

100%

MudShot

Bulldoze

170

Sandslash

54%

MetalClaw

Earthquake

176

Sandslash

53%

MetalClaw

Bulldoze

177

Sandslash

53%

MetalClaw

RockTomb

83

Nidoqueen

100%

PoisonJab

StoneEdge

84

Nidoqueen

98%

PoisonJab

Earthquake

89

Nidoqueen

97%

PoisonJab

SludgeWave

99

Nidoqueen

94%

Bite

StoneEdge

105

Nidoqueen

91%

Bite

SludgeWave

109

Nidoqueen

89%

Bite

Earthquake

119

Nidoking

100%

PoisonJab

Earthquake

120

Nidoking

99%

PoisonJab

SludgeWave

127

Nidoking

97%

PoisonJab

Megahorn

154

Nidoking

81%

FuryCutter

SludgeWave

163

Nidoking

78%

FuryCutter

Earthquake

207

Nidoking

60%

FuryCutter

Megahorn

104

Clefable

100%

Pound

Psychic

106

Clefable

98%

Pound

Moonblast

108

Clefable

97%

Pound

DazzlingGleam

131

Clefable

85%

ZenHeadbutt

Psychic

132

Clefable

84%

ZenHeadbutt

Moonblast

139

Clefable

82%

ZenHeadbutt

DazzlingGleam

192

Ninetales

100%

Ember

Flamethrower

206

Ninetales

93%

FeintAttack

Flamethrower

216

Ninetales

90%

Ember

HeatWave

221

Ninetales

87%

Ember

FireBlast

236

Ninetales

81%

FeintAttack

HeatWave

244

Ninetales

78%

FeintAttack

FireBlast

74

Wigglytuff

100%

Pound

PlayRough

75

Wigglytuff

99%

Pound

DazzlingGleam

76

Wigglytuff

99%

Pound

HyperBeam

181

Wigglytuff

56%

FeintAttack

PlayRough

208

Wigglytuff

48%

FeintAttack

HyperBeam

229

Wigglytuff

44%

FeintAttack

DazzlingGleam

133

Golbat

100%

WingAttack

PoisonFang

134

Golbat

100%

WingAttack

AirCutter

135

Golbat

100%

WingAttack

OminousWind

251

Golbat

55%

Bite

AirCutter

252

Golbat

54%

Bite

PoisonFang

253

Golbat

54%

Bite

OminousWind

174

Vileplume

100%

Acid

PetalBlizzard

180

Vileplume

98%

RazorLeaf

PetalBlizzard

196

Vileplume

89%

RazorLeaf

SolarBeam

198

Vileplume

89%

Acid

SolarBeam

199

Vileplume

87%

RazorLeaf

Moonblast

219

Vileplume

82%

Acid

Moonblast

223

Parasect

100%

BugBite

SolarBeam

225

Parasect

100%

BugBite

CrossPoison

226

Parasect

100%

BugBite

XScissor

320

Parasect

61%

FuryCutter

SolarBeam

323

Parasect

60%

FuryCutter

XScissor

329

Parasect

58%

FuryCutter

CrossPoison

172

Venomoth

100%

BugBite

Psychic

183

Venomoth

96%

BugBite

PoisonFang

184

Venomoth

96%

BugBite

BugBuzz

389

Venomoth

21%

Confusion

Psychic

407

Venomoth

17%

Confusion

BugBuzz

420

Venomoth

12%

Confusion

PoisonFang

354

Dugtrio

100%

MudShot

StoneEdge

356

Dugtrio

99%

MudShot

Earthquake

357

Dugtrio

99%

MudShot

MudBomb

457

Dugtrio

5%

SuckerPunch

Earthquake

458

Dugtrio

4%

SuckerPunch

StoneEdge

459

Dugtrio

3%

SuckerPunch

MudBomb

157

Persian

100%

Scratch

NightSlash

158

Persian

100%

Scratch

PowerGem

159

Persian

100%

Scratch

PlayRough

394

Persian

19%

FeintAttack

PlayRough

400

Persian

17%

FeintAttack

PowerGem

411

Persian

14%

FeintAttack

NightSlash

33

Golduck

100%

WaterGun

Psychic

34

Golduck

100%

WaterGun

HydroPump

35

Golduck

100%

WaterGun

IceBeam

309

Golduck

22%

Confusion

Psychic

319

Golduck

21%

Confusion

HydroPump

334

Golduck

19%

Confusion

IceBeam

267

Primeape

100%

LowKick

CrossChop

325

Primeape

70%

KarateChop

CrossChop

347

Primeape

58%

LowKick

NightSlash

349

Primeape

58%

LowKick

LowSweep

374

Primeape

44%

KarateChop

LowSweep

381

Primeape

38%

KarateChop

NightSlash

62

Arcanine

100%

Bite

Flamethrower

81

Arcanine

91%

Bite

FireBlast

95

Arcanine

84%

Bite

Bulldoze

118

Arcanine

76%

FireFang

Flamethrower

130

Arcanine

69%

FireFang

FireBlast

147

Arcanine

63%

FireFang

Bulldoze

27

Poliwrath

100%

MudShot

IcePunch

28

Poliwrath

100%

MudShot

HydroPump

29

Poliwrath

100%

MudShot

Submission

214

Poliwrath

35%

Bubble

Submission

233

Poliwrath

32%

Bubble

HydroPump

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Poliwrath

29%

Bubble

IcePunch

86

Alakazam

100%

PsychoCut

Psychic

87

Alakazam

100%

PsychoCut

DazzlingGleam

88

Alakazam

100%

PsychoCut

ShadowBall

390

Alakazam

13%

Confusion

Psychic

413

Alakazam

9%

Confusion

ShadowBall

419

Alakazam

8%

Confusion

DazzlingGleam

136

Machamp

100%

KarateChop

CrossChop

156

Machamp

89%

KarateChop

StoneEdge

164

Machamp

86%

KarateChop

Submission

209

Machamp

67%

BulletPunch

CrossChop

231

Machamp

62%

BulletPunch

Submission

239

Machamp

59%

BulletPunch

StoneEdge

173

Victreebel

100%

Acid

SludgeBomb

175

Victreebel

99%

RazorLeaf

SludgeBomb

179

Victreebel

98%

Acid

LeafBlade

185

Victreebel

96%

RazorLeaf

LeafBlade

213

Victreebel

83%

RazorLeaf

SolarBeam

220

Victreebel

81%

Acid

SolarBeam

121

Tentacruel

100%

PoisonJab

HydroPump

124

Tentacruel

99%

PoisonJab

SludgeWave

128

Tentacruel

97%

PoisonJab

Blizzard

191

Tentacruel

66%

Acid

SludgeWave

193

Tentacruel

65%

Acid

HydroPump

217

Tentacruel

59%

Acid

Blizzard

22

Golem

100%

MudShot

StoneEdge

23

Golem

99%

MudShot

AncientPower

24

Golem

99%

MudShot

Earthquake

182

Golem

39%

RockThrow

StoneEdge

200

Golem

35%

RockThrow

Earthquake

235

Golem

31%

RockThrow

AncientPower

264

Rapidash

100%

Ember

HeatWave

269

Rapidash

97%

Ember

FireBlast

284

Rapidash

90%

Ember

DrillRun

299

Rapidash

82%

LowKick

HeatWave

308

Rapidash

78%

LowKick

FireBlast

336

Rapidash

65%

LowKick

DrillRun

11

Slowbro

100%

WaterGun

Psychic

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Slowbro

100%

WaterGun

WaterPulse

13

Slowbro

100%

WaterGun

IceBeam

146

Slowbro

44%

Confusion

Psychic

187

Slowbro

35%

Confusion

IceBeam

189

Slowbro

34%

Confusion

WaterPulse

257

Magneton

100%

ThunderShock

Discharge

260

Magneton

99%

Spark

Discharge

272

Magneton

92%

Spark

FlashCannon

285

Magneton

86%

Spark

MagnetBomb

286

Magneton

86%

ThunderShock

FlashCannon

310

Magneton

74%

ThunderShock

MagnetBomb

428

Farfetchd

100%

FuryCutter

LeafBlade

432

Farfetchd

84%

Cut

LeafBlade

439

Farfetchd

64%

Cut

AerialAce

440

Farfetchd

64%

Cut

AirCutter

446

Farfetchd

47%

FuryCutter

AerialAce

447

Farfetchd

45%

FuryCutter

AirCutter

385

Dodrio

100%

FeintAttack

DrillPeck

391

Dodrio

87%

FeintAttack

AerialAce

392

Dodrio

86%

FeintAttack

AirCutter

395

Dodrio

83%

SteelWing

DrillPeck

402

Dodrio

75%

SteelWing

AerialAce

403

Dodrio

75%

SteelWing

AirCutter

100

Dewgong

100%

FrostBreath

IcyWind

101

Dewgong

100%

FrostBreath

AquaJet

102

Dewgong

100%

FrostBreath

Blizzard

287

Dewgong

38%

IceShard

Blizzard

324

Dewgong

30%

IceShard

AquaJet

326

Dewgong

30%

IceShard

IcyWind

57

Muk

100%

PoisonJab

GunkShot

60

Muk

98%

PoisonJab

SludgeWave

68

Muk

96%

PoisonJab

DarkPulse

117

Muk

74%

Acid

GunkShot

125

Muk

71%

Acid

SludgeWave

140

Muk

64%

Acid

DarkPulse

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Cloyster

100%

FrostBreath

HydroPump

204

Cloyster

98%

FrostBreath

IcyWind

205

Cloyster

98%

FrostBreath

Blizzard

383

Cloyster

29%

IceShard

Blizzard

384

Cloyster

28%

IceShard

HydroPump

408

Cloyster

20%

IceShard

IcyWind

151

Gengar

100%

ShadowClaw

SludgeWave

152

Gengar

100%

ShadowClaw

ShadowBall

153

Gengar

100%

ShadowClaw

DarkPulse

343

Gengar

35%

SuckerPunch

ShadowBall

345

Gengar

34%

SuckerPunch

SludgeWave

370

Gengar

27%

SuckerPunch

DarkPulse

460

Onix

100%

RockThrow

StoneEdge

461

Onix

88%

RockThrow

IronHead

462

Onix

69%

Tackle

IronHead

463

Onix

65%

RockThrow

RockSlide

464

Onix

61%

Tackle

StoneEdge

465

Onix

38%

Tackle

RockSlide

107

Hypno

100%

ZenHeadbutt

Psychic

114

Hypno

97%

ZenHeadbutt

ShadowBall

115

Hypno

97%

ZenHeadbutt

Psyshock

234

Hypno

51%

Confusion

Psychic

238

Hypno

50%

Confusion

Psyshock

289

Hypno

39%

Confusion

ShadowBall

160

Kingler

100%

MudShot

XScissor

161

Kingler

100%

MudShot

ViceGrip

162

Kingler

100%

MudShot

WaterPulse

240

Kingler

66%

MetalClaw

XScissor

241

Kingler

66%

MetalClaw

ViceGrip

242

Kingler

66%

MetalClaw

WaterPulse

294

Electrode

100%

Spark

Thunderbolt

304

Electrode

95%

Spark

Discharge

327

Electrode

83%

Spark

HyperBeam

366

Electrode

56%

Tackle

Thunderbolt

371

Electrode

55%

Tackle

Discharge

410

Electrode

30%

Tackle

HyperBeam

53

Exeggutor

100%

ZenHeadbutt

Psychic

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Exeggutor

98%

ZenHeadbutt

SeedBomb

55

Exeggutor

98%

ZenHeadbutt

SolarBeam

144

Exeggutor

61%

Confusion

Psychic

167

Exeggutor

53%

Confusion

SeedBomb

171

Exeggutor

51%

Confusion

SolarBeam

418

Marowak

100%

MudSlap

BoneClub

426

Marowak

80%

MudSlap

Earthquake

435

Marowak

51%

MudSlap

Dig

442

Marowak

39%

RockSmash

BoneClub

449

Marowak

29%

RockSmash

Earthquake

451

Marowak

27%

RockSmash

Dig

382

Hitmonlee

100%

LowKick

StoneEdge

396

Hitmonlee

79%

LowKick

LowSweep

398

Hitmonlee

79%

LowKick

Stomp

452

Hitmonlee

14%

RockSmash

LowSweep

455

Hitmonlee

9%

RockSmash

StoneEdge

456

Hitmonlee

7%

RockSmash

Stomp

412

Hitmonchan

100%

BulletPunch

BrickBreak

423

Hitmonchan

71%

BulletPunch

Thunder
Punch

430

Hitmonchan

55%

BulletPunch

IcePunch

433

Hitmonchan

48%

RockSmash

BrickBreak

434

Hitmonchan

47%

BulletPunch

FirePunch

443

Hitmonchan

29%

RockSmash

Thunder
Punch

448

Hitmonchan

26%

RockSmash

IcePunch

454

Hitmonchan

17%

RockSmash

FirePunch

138

Likitung

100%

Lick

PowerWhip

141

Likitung

99%

Lick

HyperBeam

142

Likitung

99%

Lick

Stomp

290

Likitung

45%

ZenHeadbutt

PowerWhip

301

Likitung

43%

ZenHeadbutt

HyperBeam

302

Likitung

43%

ZenHeadbutt

Stomp

218

Weezing

100%

Acid

SludgeBomb

246

Weezing

87%

Tackle

SludgeBomb

282

Weezing

73%

Acid

ShadowBall

283

Weezing

73%

Acid

DarkPulse

315

Weezing

61%

Tackle

ShadowBall

318

Weezing

59%

Tackle

DarkPulse

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Weezing

59%

Tackle

DarkPulse

275

Rhydon

100%

MudSlap

StoneEdge

317

Rhydon

79%

MudSlap

Earthquake

350

Rhydon

60%

MudSlap

Megahorn

376

Rhydon

42%

RockSmash

StoneEdge

397

Rhydon

31%

RockSmash

Earthquake

414

Rhydon

23%

RockSmash

Megahorn

295

Chansey

100%

Pound

Psychic

296

Chansey

100%

Pound

Psybeam

297

Chansey

100%

Pound

Dazzling
Gleam

415

Chansey

23%

ZenHeadbutt

Psychic

416

Chansey

23%

ZenHeadbutt

Psybeam

417

Chansey

23%

ZenHeadbutt

Dazzling
Gleam

202

Tangela

100%

VineWhip

PowerWhip

212

Tangela

97%

VineWhip

SludgeBomb

215

Tangela

96%

VineWhip

SolarBeam

188

Kangaskhan

100%

LowKick

BrickBreak

222

Kangaskhan

85%

LowKick

Stomp

247

Kangaskhan

77%

LowKick

Earthquake

353

Kangaskhan

39%

MudSlap

BrickBreak

362

Kangaskhan

35%

MudSlap

Stomp

393

Kangaskhan

22%

MudSlap

Earthquake

148

Seadra

100%

WaterGun

Blizzard

149

Seadra

100%

WaterGun

DragonPulse

150

Seadra

100%

WaterGun

HydroPump

351

Seadra

32%

Dragon
Breath

HydroPump

364

Seadra

27%

Dragon
Breath

Blizzard

372

Seadra

26%

Dragon
Breath

DragonPulse

255

Seaking

100%

PoisonJab

DrillRun

258

Seaking

99%

PoisonJab

Megahorn

266

Seaking

96%

PoisonJab

IcyWind

342

Seaking

59%

Peck

DrillRun

348

Seaking

55%

Peck

Megahorn

373

Seaking

43%

Peck

IcyWind

69

Starmie

100%

WaterGun

HydroPump

70

Starmie

100%

WaterGun

PowerGem

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Starmie

100%

WaterGun

Psybeam

378

Starmie

14%

QuickAttack

HydroPump

379

Starmie

14%

QuickAttack

PowerGem

388

Starmie

12%

QuickAttack

Psybeam

361

Mr.Mime

100%

ZenHeadbutt

Psychic

365

Mr.Mime

95%

ZenHeadbutt

ShadowBall

367

Mr.Mime

95%

ZenHeadbutt

Psybeam

424

Mr.Mime

32%

Confusion

Psychic

436

Mr.Mime

19%

Confusion

ShadowBall

441

Mr.Mime

16%

Confusion

Psybeam

224

Scyther

100%

FuryCutter

XScissor

248

Scyther

91%

FuryCutter

BugBuzz

249

Scyther

91%

FuryCutter

NightSlash

328

Scyther

58%

SteelWing

XScissor

338

Scyther

54%

SteelWing

BugBuzz

344

Scyther

50%

SteelWing

NightSlash

276

Jynx

100%

FrostBreath

Psyshock

280

Jynx

97%

FrostBreath

DrainingKiss

281

Jynx

97%

FrostBreath

IcePunch

332

Jynx

72%

Pound

Psyshock

337

Jynx

69%

Pound

IcePunch

341

Jynx

66%

Pound

DrainingKiss

197

Electabuzz

100%

Thunder
Shock

Thunderbolt

203

Electabuzz

96%

Thunder
Shock

Thunder
Punch

245

Electabuzz

81%

Thunder
Shock

Thunder

259

Electabuzz

76%

LowKick

Thunderbolt

262

Electabuzz

76%

LowKick

Thunder
Punch

316

Electabuzz

55%

LowKick

Thunder

237

Magmar

100%

Ember

Flamethrower

270

Magmar

86%

Ember

FireBlast

274

Magmar

84%

Ember

FirePunch

305

Magmar

70%

KarateChop

Flamethrower

340

Magmar

55%

KarateChop

FirePunch

352

Magmar

50%

KarateChop

FireBlast

232

Pinsir

100%

FuryCutter

XScissor

243

Pinsir

94%

FuryCutter

Submission

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Pinsir

94%

FuryCutter

Submission

261

Pinsir

88%

FuryCutter

ViceGrip

425

Pinsir

13%

RockSmash

XScissor

427

Pinsir

11%

RockSmash

Submission

453

Pinsir

4%

RockSmash

ViceGrip

265

Tauros

100%

ZenHeadbutt

IronHead

271

Tauros

96%

Tackle

IronHead

277

Tauros

93%

ZenHeadbutt

Earthquake

279

Tauros

92%

ZenHeadbutt

HornAttack

293

Tauros

84%

Tackle

Earthquake

300

Tauros

82%

Tackle

HornAttack

79

Gyarados

100%

Bite

HydroPump

80

Gyarados

99%

Dragon
Breath

HydroPump

94

Gyarados

91%

Bite

DragonPulse

96

Gyarados

91%

Bite

Twister

97

Gyarados

90%

Dragon
Breath

DragonPulse

98

Gyarados

90%

Dragon
Breath

Twister

18

Lapras

100%

FrostBreath

DragonPulse

19

Lapras

100%

FrostBreath

IceBeam

20

Lapras

100%

FrostBreath

Blizzard

116

Lapras

56%

IceShard

IceBeam

126

Lapras

54%

IceShard

Blizzard

129

Lapras

51%

IceShard

DragonPulse

431

Ditto

100%

Pound

Struggle

Vaporeon

100%

WaterGun

AquaTail

Vaporeon

100%

WaterGun

WaterPulse

Vaporeon

100%

WaterGun

HydroPump

186

Jolteon

100%

Thunder
Shock

Thunderbolt

194

Jolteon

93%

Thunder
Shock

Discharge

227

Jolteon

81%

Thunder
Shock

Thunder

169

Flareon

100%

Ember

Flamethrower

190

Flareon

90%

Ember

HeatWave

195

Flareon

87%

Ember

FireBlast

355

Porygon

100%

Tackle

Discharge

368

Porygon

90%

Tackle

Psybeam

369

Porygon

90%

Tackle

SignalBeam

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Porygon

90%

Tackle

SignalBeam

404

Porygon

52%

QuickAttack

Discharge

421

Porygon

33%

QuickAttack

SignalBeam

422

Porygon

31%

QuickAttack

Psybeam

47

Omastar

100%

WaterGun

AncientPower

48

Omastar

100%

WaterGun

HydroPump

49

Omastar

100%

WaterGun

RockSlide

228

Omastar

37%

RockThrow

RockSlide

230

Omastar

37%

RockThrow

HydroPump

263

Omastar

32%

RockThrow

AncientPower

82

Kabutops

100%

MudShot

StoneEdge

91

Kabutops

95%

MudShot

AncientPower

92

Kabutops

95%

MudShot

WaterPulse

166

Kabutops

64%

FuryCutter

StoneEdge

333

Kabutops

27%

FuryCutter

AncientPower

335

Kabutops

26%

FuryCutter

WaterPulse

178

Aerodactyl

100%

Bite

IronHead

210

Aerodactyl

85%

Bite

HyperBeam

211

Aerodactyl

85%

Bite

AncientPower

292

Aerodactyl

57%

SteelWing

IronHead

321

Aerodactyl

48%

SteelWing

AncientPower

322

Aerodactyl

48%

SteelWing

HyperBeam

Snorlax

100%

Lick

BodySlam

Snorlax

92%

Lick

HyperBeam

Snorlax

92%

Lick

Earthquake

14

Snorlax

76%

ZenHeadbutt

BodySlam

30

Snorlax

69%

ZenHeadbutt

HyperBeam

31

Snorlax

68%

ZenHeadbutt

Earthquake

43

Articuno

100%

FrostBreath

IceBeam

44

Articuno

100%

FrostBreath

IcyWind

45

Articuno

100%

FrostBreath

Blizzard

51

Zapdos

100%

Thunder
Shock

Thunderbolt

56

Zapdos

96%

Thunder
Shock

Discharge

73

Zapdos

88%

Thunder
Shock

Thunder

78

Moltres

100%

Ember

Flamethrower

85

Moltres

93%

Ember

HeatWave

90

Moltres

91%

Ember

FireBlast

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Moltres

91%

Ember

FireBlast

10

Dragonite

100%

Dragon
Breath

DragonClaw

25

Dragonite

84%

Dragon
Breath

DragonPulse

26

Dragonite

84%

Dragon
Breath

HyperBeam

77

Dragonite

60%

SteelWing

DragonClaw

93

Dragonite

54%

SteelWing

DragonPulse

110

Dragonite

50%

SteelWing

HyperBeam

Mewtwo

100%

PsychoCut

Psychic

Mewtwo

100%

PsychoCut

ShadowBall

Mewtwo

100%

PsychoCut

HyperBeam

46

Mewtwo

57%

Confusion

Psychic

61

Mewtwo

49%

Confusion

ShadowBall

72

Mewtwo

48%

Confusion

HyperBeam

21

Mew

100%

Pound

Psychic

32

Mew

92%

Pound

Hurricane

36

Mew

91%

Pound

SolarBeam

37

Mew

91%

Pound

Thunder

38

Mew

91%

Pound

Earthquake

39

Mew

90%

Pound

FireBlast

40

Mew

90%

Pound

Moonblast

41

Mew

90%

Pound

DragonPulse

42

Mew

90%

Pound

HyperBeam

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whyisdragonclawbetterthanfireblastforcharizard?
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Probablyduetotheweightingitcauses"winning"againsta
pokemonlikeDragonitetobeworthmorethanwinningagainst
aweakerGrassopponent.
FirebalstisstillupthereforCharizard94%.I'dsayit's
probablystillbetterinmajorityofscenarios,justnotagainstthe
topelitelikeVapereonandDragonite.
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BecauseitdoeswaymoreDPSthanhisotherattacks
http://pokemongo.gamepress.gg/pokemon/6
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