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Farr 1220 floors/ flaws ?

Started by broadoak , Feb 16 2010 07:26 PM
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Posted 16 February 2010 - 07:26 PM

broadoak

We are thinking of buying a Farr 1220, but have heard a rumour that the floors in
them need strengthening especially if considering going off-shore, does anyone
know if there is any substance to this or is it just waterfront gossip? Are there any
other areas of concern with them that anyone knows about. Would appreciate
your comments on this.
Posted 17 February 2010 - 01:25 PM

sow1ld

Great boats for what your intending to do with them! Water front crap from a guy
whos cousins friend's, uncle had a roberts tank39 he didn't like the farr. When are
you listing that stunning cav36 Foxy Lady 2??
Posted 17 February 2010 - 01:49 PM

Atom Ant

maybe it's gutter talk but I heard that the rudder is a bit undersized and that they
tend to round up quite easily. I've got a mate with one and he's pretty happy with
it - apart from the rounding up tendency. He certainly has plenty of space to
windward of him on the start line on a fresh day as everyone keeps clear. I think
the cockpit is too small for a 40 ft boat. Doesn't Farr have a slightly different
version of the same hull with a slightly larger cockpit?
Posted 17 February 2010 - 03:25 PM

markm

The Farr 41 MX, though I think it's only the hull that's the same.
Posted 17 February 2010 - 03:40 PM

B00B00

Island time will know more but the Farr Phase 4 was very simmilar to the 1220. I
think the 41MX was a much newer design altogether.
Posted 17 February 2010 - 04:26 PM

wal

I was part of the delivery crew to Vava'au (sp?) in '95 while TNZ was winning the
first time. Beam reach with quatering sea the whole way. 7 days total which was
pretty good. Any boat would be uncomfortable in those conditions, I thought the
boat wasn't too bad. We were smart enough to get the sail area down so the
helming was easy without losing any speed at all. 4 out of 5 drivers could keep the
decks reasonably dry - but the 5th?
Dunno how he did it but he must've hit every wave wrong
This particular boat has many trips to Tonga - never heard anything about floors
at all
Worse boats out there - I've sailed oceans on some of them!

broadoak

Posted 17 February 2010 - 06:07 PM

Thanks for all of the helpful comments.....just have to sell the Cav now, so anyone
wanting a stunning Cav 36' I know where there is 1 looking for a new home.
Posted 17 February 2010 - 06:40 PM

Bullrush
Hi Broadoak - I have PM'd you! (You have mail!)
Janine

Posted 18 February 2010 - 03:36 PM

L4

good solid kiwi boats, if the original refrigeration condensor is still in you'll need
to replace it......domestic copper core, [ . . . .]
26/2/10 PaulR as Moderator: Original comments edited / deleted as requested
by L4 poster.
Posted 21 February 2010 - 08:06 AM

Pionnier

I hate to be a fly in the ointment, but when i was a boatbuilding apprentice and
doing all the scum jobs, one of my roles was to bore around the keel bolts of boats
with a big holesaw to help with the removal of the keel. The first 4 boats i did
were 1220s and then over 4 more years probably another 4 or 5. Most were mild
groundings where the joint cracked but 2 had popped the hull liner (read floors)
right out. If i were going offshore i would look into, at least glassing the hull liner
to the bottom of the boat properly.

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Started by broadoak , Feb 16 2010 07:26 PM
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Posted 21 February 2010 - 07:56 PM

wal

Not a fly in the ointment if you have hands on experience bloke.

It's what we want to hear
Posted 21 February 2010 - 08:44 PM

island time

Firstly My boat is a Phase 4, not a 1220. However, they are very similar, the phase
4 being 6 designs newer, and the first model being one peice vacuum baged. The
1220 used vacuum technologies, but only with smaller parts, and the quality
control was not as advanced. I have also owned a 940 and raced on a 38, but only
been on a 1220 a few times.
Bruce Farr says that the 1220 and Phase 4 are very similar in perfomance, with
the 1220 perhaps having a slight advantage. The 1220 draws 4 inches more, and
weighs nearly 600 KG more. They have a slightly bigger rig to compensate.
Most Farr boats Tend to be driven by the mainsails, and SOME people have
reported them (940's, 38's, 1020's and 1220s, as well as Phase 4s) as heavy on the
helm and to round up easily. However, it has been my experience that the rig
setup is the issue - Certainly on Island Time she can be sailed with two fingers on
the helm when fully pressed when the right sails/reef combinations are used.
They are easily driven boats that don't need much canvas to sail pretty well - reef
early and evenly, and your VMG's won't change much, but you'll enjoy the sailing.
The Phase 4 likes about 3 deg aft mast rake and about one section width of pre
bend over the mast length..
Keel Flloors. My 940 had this issue - the floor grid had seperated from the hull. It
was like that when I bought it (yes I knew) and my first job was to reglass then to
the hull. It was a bit time consuming, but not difficult. Never had an issue again.
Buy one that does NOT have the issue, or negotiate the price so it's worth fixing.
You might like to know that Apterx, the other phase 4 at mana, was (by previous
owners) sailed into a rock at 7 knots to a dead stop. It did crack the keel to hull
join, although no water was admitted. It took a two fist bite out of the front of the
keel lead - that is quite an impact!
Offshore? Yep, no problem! I'm about to take mine in the Solo Tasman, then up
to the Med!
Finally, there are a few 1220's on the NZ market at the moment, so you have some
choice. OR, if you fancy a trip to Ausy , there are quite a few Phase 4's for sale
there. Pricing is similar. There were 67 Phase 4's built, so there are a lot more
than 1220's. The Phase 4, being a Ausy boat, is less well accepted here, and is a bit
cheaper. The opposite in Ausy.
Send me a Pm if you want to discuss this in person.
Matt

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