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High Quality ML Cropmarks v1.2
on: October 18, 2014, 09:11:32 PM

I made some cropmarks that worked well from me so I though I would share
them. I made them as simple as possible and if potential clients see them they
would not be distracted by them.

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The pack includes 1.77:1, 2.35:1 and 3:2 ratios of the Rule of Thirds, Golden
Triangle, Golden Spiral compositions. It also includes the "Fincher Fifths" and 5x
zoom preview. As well as a EF-S cropmark if you are using an EF-S lens on an full
frame camera. The actual viewable image of an EF-S lens on a full frame sensor
changes from lens to lens so I based it solely off of the image sizes. It also
includes crop marks with and without the ML Logo.
The cropmarks will work on all ML supported cameras. They are always scaled to
fit the 3:2 LiveView image. If there are any issues, please post here with the
details and I will attempt to fix them.The community has my permission to do as
they like with these images and could even include them in the nightlies or final
product if they wanted.
Keep in mind you can only have 9 cropmarks activatable at this time in ML. You
will want to pick the ones that fit you best. "ML Essentials," a folder has the most
often used in one location for easy picking.
Instructions / Information included in the download.
Example **image simulated**

2.35:1 Golden Spiral with Logo

1.77:1 Golden Ratio

DOWNLOAD: CROP MARKS v1.2

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Re: High Quality ML Crop Marks

Reply #1 on: October 23, 2014,
05:02:55 PM

Has anyone tried these? Did they work on other cameras other than 5D3?
Anyone interested?
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Re: High Quality ML Crop Marks

Reply #2 on: October 23, 2014,
06:16:24 PM

Looking good.
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I would like to see a custom crop mark that has 16x9 or even better 2.35:1
aspect with thin red x5 crop box highlighting the actual area that appears in
recording - so at a quick glance in 'normal' mode, you can see what the x5 crop

record would be framing (before committing to selecting crop mode).

This would be very useful to quickly judge what framing would be on various
lenses...without having to punch in and try and judge from ML greyscale low
resolution image (but has accurate framing).
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Re: High Quality ML Crop Marks

Reply #3 on: October 23, 2014,
06:36:58 PM

I could try them out for you but I'm on 1.2.3 -- do I have to downgrade first
before I do this?
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Re: High Quality ML Crop Marks

Reply #4 on: October 23, 2014,
06:48:47 PM

@DeafEyeJedi From my readings in this forum, the picture format should work with any ML
Camera. I have since upgraded to 5D3 1.2.3 from this first post and have not had
any issues with them. I'll update the first post to include this.
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Last Edit: October 23, 2014, 06:54:35 PM by ChadMuffin

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Re: High Quality ML Crop Marks

Reply #5 on: October 23, 2014,
06:53:14 PM

@Hans_Punk This is a interesting idea. I will have do a little homework to get the crops right.
I'll check it out and post what I have found in the coming days.
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Re: High Quality ML Crop Marks

Reply #6 on: October 23, 2014,
07:03:53 PM

Cropmarks work on all cameras (even on the old 5D classic, with lower screen
resolution). They are always scaled to fit the 3:2 LiveView image.

5D Mark Free

The only compatibility problem that may appear is with some transparent colors
(they may appear pink on 5D2, for example).
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Re: High Quality ML Crop Marks

Reply #7 on: October 23, 2014,
07:36:38 PM

please put this one into the downloadable set.

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Re: High Quality ML Crop Marks

Reply #8 on: October 23, 2014,
07:43:51 PM

@Alex I'll put that in the first post.

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@chmee I sure will update it to include it.

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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

Reply #9 on: October 25, 2014,
11:03:30 PM

I have been doing a little more research and currently redoing some of the ones I
have provided. The math is just slightly off on some of the ratios so I am
mathematically making sure all of the ratios are just right. It takes some time
trying to make them look good because you can only have black or white for the
guidelines, no greys in between and I want the curves to look as smooth as
possible even with this limitation. I also want them to look as simple as possible,
not to distract you from the image you are working with. Especially if a client is
looking at the screen. Instead of having multiple different copies of similar
products, I am just going to re-release when I am happy with them in one big
pack. I will also be including some of the "Fincher" crops and the zoom crops as
requested as well as photography variations. Keep in mind I am doing this in my
spare time. I am sure not a lot of people are anxiously waiting on this product so
it is not my highest priority.
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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.1
Reply #10 on: October 27, 2014, 09:42:10
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I have updated the Cropmark Pack to v1.1.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bwd3r5HwGFltcXBHbkdRVGk5M1E/view?
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Updates:
All of the cropmarks are now mathematically exact to the ratio.
A sleek, simple design has been applied to all of them.
Updated to include what I am going to call "Fincher Fifths" and...
5x Zoom preview to help see where your zoom will be by default in Canon
Preview mode compared to the pixelated MLGrayscale.
All organized and renamed to be viewed inside ML on camera.
Added some more photography variations.
Questions, comments, requests, issues? Post them here.

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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.1
Reply #11 on: October 28, 2014, 02:36:07
AM

Very nice.
Thank you for working out the crop highlight box - it is very useful to me for
quickly getting perspective on how much of a crop is being made - before
entering that mode.
Very useful to see, especially when swapping out lenses and planning the
coverage when crop mode is enabled.
Only thing I noticed was I had to align the white Canon focus box to get crop
highlight area to line up correctly - but that was pretty easy to work out.
Bravo.
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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.1
Reply #12 on: October 28, 2014, 06:41:44
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I did a couple tests on my 5D3 1.2.3 when it comes to the zoom crop mark. I
placed it on a sturdy tripod at its normal zoom, or no at all, and recorded a
second or so. Then, I zoomed in and recorded another second. Then, I zoomed
back out and the zoomed in, moved it the recording selection and then pressed
the "directional stick" all the way in to reset the selection and recorded another
second. I then pull them in Photoshop and aligned both perfectly on the zoomed
out image and say there were both in the exact same spot so I made the
cropmark there. There may be different variations camera to camera. Which
camera are you using?
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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.1
Reply #13 on: October 28, 2014, 08:16:43
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That was the exact technique that I was thinking would work (Photoshop
alignment).
I'm slightly embarrassed that I did not already know the directional stick reset
press to properly align the canon focus box area. Now I've done that - all lines up
perfectly every time.
I'm on 5d3 1.1.3 build.
Thank you again for implementing this, it works great.
As for other crop mark ideas, I could see that some cinematographers may find it
extremely useful to see a frame line denoting APSC and APS-H sub line markings
(for full frame canons to display S35 sized sensor areas).

This would make a very handy viewfinder for planing camera placement/ location
scouting when using full frame cameras but the when shooting main unit camera
on Arri Alexa or Red cinema cameras - which both have APS-H sized sensors
(very close in size to APSC).
Again - this is would be a great tool to check lens FOV coverage/ crop factor of
smaller sensor sizes, when viewed on a full frame canon camera.

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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.1
Reply #14 on: October 28, 2014, 09:29:24
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That would be a good idea to also include. I'll have to revisit this in some time
due to other projects coming up. I'll include this in the next batch. Actually
making these is the easy part, doing the math is the time consuming part.
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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.1
Reply #15 on: October 29, 2014, 02:17:36
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The EF-S image sensor is just a bit smaller than a Super 35 mm size. With the
thought that it would just be used as a guide and no actual production, I felt I
would not make individualized cropmarks for each sensor size. It would take me
quite a while to do the math to ensure it is centered properly. EF-S is more
practical so I will stay with that.
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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.2
Reply #16 on: January 18, 2015, 08:50:40
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I have updated it to include an EF-S cropmark from a full frame camera. I do not
have any EF-S lenses so I was not able to properly test this. I based my tests off
of what I could find online of EF-S lenses on the EF mount. It seems that the EF-S
lenses can illuminate more than just the APS-C sensor size depending on the lens
and the focal range. Due to this, there does not seem to be a perfect cropmark.
So, I based the size difference of full frame and APS-C which is approx 66.6%.
720p is 66.6% of 1080p. This is essentially a 720p cropmark, which is easily
adjustable in ML and is a great safe zone for EF-S on EF.
DOWNLOAD ML CROPMARKS v1.2
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High Quality ML Cropmarks v1.2

Reply #17 on: January 18, 2015,
09:46:40 PM

Thanks @ChadMuffin -- I'll test them out since I have a EF-S 17-55 to try it out
with...
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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.2
Reply #18 on: January 18, 2015, 10:01:13
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Cool. I am interested. Be careful using EF-S on EF. I have read some EF-S lenses
rear element goes into the body some and could hit your mirror when taking
photos.
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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.2
Reply #19 on: January 20, 2015, 02:38:10
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I made a couple of crop marks that work well for me

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/jq4pfna5ennxru8/AADqB8NGjJREiWdPduCvpdFRa?
dl=0
They are cinemascope without any distractions, The way the transparency is
made, works well in combination with "Digic peaking slightly sharper" turned on.
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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.2
Reply #20 on: January 21, 2015, 09:05:59
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I do like the way you have the cropmarks with having horizontal lines. Both of
those work great!
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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.2
Reply #21 on: April 02, 2015, 04:02:01 AM

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Thanks for these crop marks @ChadMuffin! They're awesome and superclean. I've
been trying to get the 5x zoom crop marks to line up with my actual mlv
recording but i can't get it right.
I'm using a mk3 on a tripod and recording normal mlv. I took a screen shot of the

lcd with the 5x zoom crop marks. Then I record crop mode. I took another screen
shot of the ML grayscale preview on the lcd. I compared the 5x zoom crop marks
and the actual crop mode mlv recording. It doesn't line up. Seems like the
recording is much more cropped in than then the 5x crop marks. Am I doing
something wrong? Or are these marks not meant to show you what you are
actually recording?
Thx!
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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.2
Reply #22 on: April 02, 2015, 10:17:13 PM

Thank you for the kind words. I may be misunderstanding your questions. The
cropmark for the 5x was intended to be used as a preview only to the 5x crop in
its default location while at 1x crop (or no crop at all). This is becuase the 5x crop
greyscale preview is slower, lower resolution and not the best. I did not base the
cropmarks for the 5x zoom off of the grey scale preview. I based them off of the
actual DNGs coming out of the camera due to those being the "real" crop
comepared to the greyscale preview. If you use the cropmark while at 5x zoom,
you will still have the cropmark over your already 5x cropped greyscale image.
There are no options to change this option in ML at this time and that was not the
intention. The intention was to use it as a guide, only.
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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.2
Reply #23 on: April 03, 2015, 02:10:55 AM

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No worries I figured it out. I compared them to the DNGs and it matches up

perfectly!
I ended up making a preset on my smallhd dp4 so I can do a 1:1 pixel zoom and
your crop marks almost fill the screen. Really awesome preview...thanks again for
these!

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Re: High Quality ML Cropmarks

v1.2
Reply #24 on: April 03, 2015, 10:33:06 PM

Glad to help! Even if I am not a programmer.

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