We are all learning from the HHO journey - If you come across an effective
design please list your findings and we will include them in this "Work in
Progress.
Data Source
- http://www.hhocountry.com/kohdata.html
Below is a multiple combination of plate arrays that were all tested for
production under controlled test conditions.
Using 25% less KOH resulted in more HHO production and a 1 amp
increase.......unusual
This configuration produces around 1 1/2 ltrs per min around the 30
amp mark. I think that reducing the KOH even lower until you get 1
ltr is the way to go. Theoretically you should get around 20 amps
and less heating.
Using 25% less KOH resulted in more HHO production and a 1 amp
increase.......unusual
This configuration produces around 1 1/2 ltrs per min around the 30
amp mark. I think that reducing the KOH even lower until you get 1
ltr is the way to go. Theoretically you should get around 20 amps
and less heating.
I have read that PWM would be a better way to go. Giving more
temperature control over the generator and also a more consistent
amount flowing into the engine.
I have read that PWM would be a better way to go. Giving more
temperature control over the generator and also a more consistent
amount flowing into the engine.
Turbo charged engines simply ram more fuel and air into the
combustion chamber allowing more fuel to burn and produce
power.
Introducing HHO into the cylinder will lower the flashpoint of the fuel
/ air mix (burns at a lower temperature), and give more power with
less unburned fuel going out the exhaust.
Hi,
Wat is the best configuration of the plates in a dry cell in any ones
opinion for the best production?
thanks JiggyLee
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What is the best configuration of the plates in a dry cell in any ones
opinion for the best production?
Many people are now applying 2v per plate because of the reduced
temperature.
If you try to minimize the volts to 2v per plate you will get less heat
and amps but slightly less production. This would equate to 6 plates
(the + & - and 4 neutrals between).
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Hi Jay tourist,
Enjoy.
Paul
I've found over the years that the best production (without any
steam) occurs between 1.9 & 2.5 vdc per cell. I usually run 15 6"x9"
plates configured into 2 stacks (-NNNNNN+NNNNNN-).
Since the average car will be running 13.8 volts, a reactor with
only 3 bi-polar plates has 3.45 volts per cell. This will cause high
vapor content that can be misconstrued as hydroxy.
Hi Lee,
Welcome to the Forum - happy for any input - What tends to be the
case in this forum is we have huge amounts of people visiting who
want to know about HHO and very few who have knowledge and
want to share it with everyone.
Can you explain please re the -NNNNNN+ in your post? Wouldn't this
represent 8 plates and at 13.8v would be 1.7v?
Most of the testing I have done and read about works on the
maximum possible HHO output and regulated via a PWM using the
least electrolyte to control the temperature.
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Paul,
I'm happy to have found this site and will gladly help all I can.
For the last 2 years I've been the Global Moderator here in the USA
at a very good HHO site which has recently shut down.
The setup I like to run, yes, is 8 plates per stack, which is 7 cells per
stack. Each cell is the gap between plates, so (-NNNNNN+) is 8
plates, 7 cells, one stack.
13.8vdc divided by 7 cells equals 1.97 volts. This will keep
everything running cool, the electrolyte will stay clean longer, and in
many cases a CCPWM won't be necessary even with a 28% KOH
e/lyte (what I always run) mix. A 28% mix is the best, as it creates
the least resistance between plates.
Also, amperage is extremely important. The general rule of thumb
is to not exceed .5 amp draw per sq. in. of active plate surface per
stack. For instance, my reactor is (-NNNNNN+NNNNNN-) 6"x9". After
deducting the gasket area, one plate in each stack is roughly 38 sq.
in.. So, 38x.5= 19 amps max per stack. So, I can safely run up to
38 amps to the reactor if necessary. My truck is a 4 litre, so I only
need 2LPM. I set it the PWM to 30 amps and I get 2.4LPM with a
MMW of 6.35.
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This is for lhazleton. I have a 1998 s10 4.3 liter Chevy 4x4, do you
thank i will need to get a chip to trick my computer so that i get
better gas mileage? If so what would you recommend?
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Lee you and your old school reactor LOL , still is the one to copy for
anyone how wants a good running unit this is it , To all here Hi Lee
and I go back aways and he is giving some great advise , Voltage
and amps per plate size has alot to do with it , by following the info
Lee has set out will alway get you in the ball park and from there
you can tune the unit in to what the engine size is that you want to
run it on there has been a call put out and Im sure there will more
very good info come this way . come see me at my and Lee's utube
just look for Uno assassin and you will find some good links to other
people and one for my bonehead friend Lee
I got lost looking For Lee , If you find him tell him to wait , I will be
along after I finish my burger .
Hey Gary,
Good to see you in here! I'm trying to help Paul by posting some of
my stuff, but most of it left with the Underground.
I'm guessing you were smart enough to keep your information on
your hard drive?
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I got lost looking For Lee , If you find him tell him to wait , I will be
along after I finish my burger .
Re: What Is The Best Cell Plate Configuration &
Effectiveness
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Otto - Are these new plates and the new assembly giving you the 1
ltr in 1 1/2 minutes?
This should be much better production than what you are getting.
Re the plate assembly - What are the Hybridgen and Punch specs?
What did they tell you the setup would produce and at what
temperature
Any chance you can take a few pics or maybe a phone movie and
throw it on YouTube?
I think we need to see what you have to help
Paul, I have not made the PUNCH 5.0 set up yet. I am in the process
of obtaining the correct thickness gasket material to have the plates
and gasket fit with in the frame. My current set up is a 7 plate wet
cell with 2"x7" 18 ga. plates +nnnnn-. I am using one nylon washer
in-between each plate. I have the + and - plate covered to limit the
heat buildup(in theory). They are housed in a water filter container
which holds a little more than a liter of fluid. I add 1/2" a teaspoon of
lye to distllied water. It runs at about 21 amps and makes 1 liter of
HHO in 1 minute and 20 seconds and the temperatures are all over
the board anywhere from 90 degrees to 158 degrees.
Otto
Otto,
I just looked at the Punch 5.0 website.
Can't for the life of me understand WTF the enclosure is for. A true
drycell reactor has no use for anything around the perimeter.
They claim it's "The most efficient HHO dry cell available to the
public. Producing an astounding 1-LPM @ only 15 amps".
What's so great about that? Mine puts out 2.4LPM@25 amps. I
honestly think it's a wet cell made to look like a drycell.
Furthermore, in the video he says by looking at the bubbles it
"looks like 2LPM". What a joke! The production doesn't look
impressive at all, and without a friggin' eudiometer there's
absolutely no way of knowing what the output is. This guy is an
asshole looking to make money off a piece of crap.
Otto , use uno it's short or gary , if this is the start of a new direction
for you in dry cell construction keep it easy to work with , you will be
much happier in the long run , there is a lot of new thinking out in
the HHO world that I have not seen anyone talk about here , like
unipolar and bipolar setups and the use of both in one setup .
If you stay with a simple setup like Lee's you will be able to change
to one of these setups down the road very easily, I and Lee will try
and get some of this newer thinking on the board for all to learn
about , one of these is sand blasting and how you lay out your holes
and the shape of your plates , just these three thing alone can be
good for 1/2 plus LPM at a lower amp setting.
One , the media blasting will give you more area , that means more
prduction at a lower amp setting or a smaller unit for the same
LPM .
Two , the location and size of the holes can lead to less current
leakage and better flow control . The reason for the location of the
being , there are week spots or low production areas on a plate
these areas are a good spot to put holes and the shape of the hole
can help .
Three , this one is just a simple orientation of the plates , with most
setups the gas is made right at the plate , by making your plate
longer then it is high it will keep the gas bubbles from spending
more time in the production area of the plate and this allows the
production area to stay in a state to make gas and not be disrupted
by bubbles . These are a few thing that would have to be thought of
before you start building , this is all for info only and is not need in a
build , but are things that have bee showen to help , the bottom line
to all this is the little thing do add up to a big thing in the long run
this is my latest setup not running yet but soon
I got lost looking For Lee , If you find him tell him to wait , I will be
along after I finish my burger .
Thanks Lee , here is a pic of my latest unit , still in the build mod
Looking good, Gary! Guess you're going with the unipolar setup,
huh?
I'm curious to see the numbers on it.
Otto I to looked at the Punch < I sure would like to see what I was
puying and there is no need for the box if it a true dry cell unit .
I got lost looking For Lee , If you find him tell him to wait , I will be
along after I finish my burger .
Like Gary said, building your own from scratch is the best.
Here's a vid. of my very first drycell reactor (long time ago. Think it's
somewhere out in my shed). It was 6x6 33 plates.