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Higuys,

Iamastructuralengineerwhoisdoingastructuraldesignofprecastdrivenpilesforabridgeabutment.Ihaverundowntheloadsandthegeotechreportmakesthefollow
suggestions.

1.Becausethepilesaredriventorefusal,thecapacityofthepilewillbegovernedbythestructuralcapacity.

2.Undersizedpreboringwillberequiredtofacilitatedrivingthroughastiffstratumofbedrock.

Myquestionsare:

Ifmypilesare500diameter,whatdiametershouldImakethepreboreandwhatshouldIbelookingoutfor?Allhelpwillbegreatlyappreciated.

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1.)Allpilesdriventoablowcountaredriventoaterminationcriteria.Thetermrefusalhasmanymeaningstodifferentpeople,butisofteninterpretedasthepointwherethepile
willnotadvancedespiterepeatedpoundingbythehammer.Thusitisnotagoodcriteriafortermination.Abettercriteriaistodeterminewhatsetisrequiredtoacheiverequired
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capacitytimesanappropriatesafetyfactorandwhatsetmightpiledamagebeanticipated.
2.)Iassumewhenyousayyourpilesare500diameter,youmeam500mmor18inch.Thesearelargepilesandcapableofcarryinghighloads.Drivingstresseswillprobably
controldesign.Precastpilesareeasilydamagedbydrivingtorockandafairamountofpilefailuresshouldbeanticipated.Precactpilesarenotagoodchoicefordrivingthroughan
underreamedpiolotholeinbedrock,evenwithpointprotection.
3.)Whynotterminateonthetopoftherock?Ifyouusedahydraulichammerandcastpoints,thatwouldincreasethepotentialforsucess.Notreallysurewhythepreaugeringtoa
greaterdepthinbedrockwouldberequuired.

Hopethishelps

IconcurwithmostofwhatDRC1explains....andwouldswitchfoundationdesign(s)todrilledshafts...muchlesspotentialformisery.

ThanksDRC1andDrumchaser

Thatiscorrect,thepilesare18inchdiameter,Ihavethemstressedto9MPaor1300psiandIamproviding24mmdiameterheadbars(1"diameter).

HowdoIcalaculatethestressestransferredthroughthispilesectionbydrivingsoIcandesigntheheadbarsfordriving.

asixth,

Whyareyoudoingthis?Amorenormalapproachistoprovidetherequiredcapacitytothepilingcontractorandlethimdecidehowtoaccomplishit,pursuanttoyourreviewof
course.

It'sagovernmentjobandtheyareaskedustodesigntheprecstprestressedpiles(PSC).

Thereisnopointindesigningsomethingthepilingcontractorsarenotsetuptoaccomplish.Iwouldconsultwithoneofthereputablepilingcontractorsbeforeyoufinalisethe
design.

Iwouldneverdesignprecastconcretepilestobearonbedrock,ashasbeennotedthepotentialfordamagetothepilesisveryhigh.Also,itislikelythatthebedrockelevationwill
varyacrossthesite.Howdoyouplantoaccomodatethisvariationwithprecastpiles?

Betterchoiceswouldbeaugercastpiles,Hpiles,ordrilledshafts(piers).Justbecause"thegovernement"wantssomethingdoesnotmeanthatitispractial.Youcanbetthatyou
willbeblamedduringconstructionifwhatYOUdesignedcannotbeconstructed.

asixth

WehavemovedawayfromPCCPilesduetotheextraexpenses/problemsthatcanoftenoccur.Thisisnottosaytheyarenotthepreferredfoundationoptionfortherestofthe
world.

Areyourpilestobedrivenonabatter?

....itismyopinion
(NooffensetothePCCPilingfolkshere)conc.pilesareveryproblematicascomparedtodrilledshafts.
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Requirementsareusually:
1)Designedbearingachieved.
2)PileTipelevationmet.
3)Withinspecifiedlocationtolerances.(top&btm.of
pile)

Astheapparentdesignengr.youmayormaynotbeinvolvedinthedrivingprocess,whichaccordingtothedataprovidedwillbetrickyatbest.

"Becausethepilesaredriventorefusal"....itismyexperienceoncerefusalhasbeenmet(nomoredownwardmovement)thepilehasbeenoverstressed.
Thisisnotgood.

Ifyouarelockedinonthisdesign....mostS.T.A.'shavespecificationsforpilotholesinrelationtopilesize,aswellasotherreqt'sthatmayhelpyou.CheckyourlocalDOT
website(s).

goodluck

I'dchangetoclosedendsteeltubes.It'sbeenindicatedthatthegovernmentagencywantsprecastconcpilesbutasmosthereseemtobe"against"them,I'dsayyouoweitto
yourintegritytopointoutthatotherpiletypes,driventorefusal"on"bedrockwouldbemoreappropriateandlesssusceptibletodamageduetooverdriving.

"Stiffstratumofbedrock"canmeandifferentthingstodifferentpeople.Ifitishighlyweathered,theprecastpilesmayworkjustfine.Istillthinkyouneedtogetapilingcontractor
talkingtothegeotechbeforethedecisionismade.

WhereIam,precastpilesareusuallyeithersquareoroctagonal.Roundpilesmaybecommonelsewhere,butagain,checkwiththepilingcontractors.

hokie,

Ipracticeinthesamecitythatyoudo.ThepilesIhaveareactuallyoctangonal,Iwasjustbeingmoregeneralinsayingtheywhereround.

asixth,

Ithoughtso,butyouthrewmewiththeroundpiles.Alotoftherockwehavehereishighlyweatheredenoughtofacilitatedrivingprecastpiles.Idon'tworkinroads/bridges,but
seealotoftheoctagonalpilesdrivenwithconicalsteeldrivingheads.MainRoadsoftenusestheminbridgesfortheabovegroundcolumnaswell.Theyjustdrivetheoctagonal
precasttothespecifieddepthorcriteria,thencutoffthetopandcastintoaheaderbeam.

Iftherockishard,thismaynotbethebestsolution.YoumightwanttotalktoWagstaffPilingorPilingContractorsforadvice.

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SowhichpartoftheBrisbaneRiverisyourproject?IcurrentlydoingasmallpilejobinNewstead,herewearelookingatcompositepile,Thestratumissoftenoughthatwecan
driveintothe"rockbed"torefusalwithoutpreboring,about10mwitha375SQ.Aresidentialprojectnextdoor,haddrivenpileaswell,bethereforabout4years,nopreboring.
HoweverinsayingthatIbelievetheyaregoingtodrilledpilesontheBCECSouthbankextensionbecauseweatheredandhighlyvariablenaturethe"rockbed".Notinvolveddirectly
withthisproject,sowouldnotsaymysourceisquotable.

Whenindoubt,justtakethenextsmallstep.

ToansweryourquestionaboutPilestress,thisistypicallyderivedfromawaveequationanalysisfortypicalhammersystemsthatmightbeused.PCIhasstandardpiledesigns.
Checkwiththemfordesigndetails.IwouldasotherhavesaidadvocateforHPileorclosedpipe.Itiseconomicalandmoreeffectivethanprecast.Alsocaneasilyadjusttovarrying
heightsofrock.Butevenwithsteelpiles,reasonabledrivingcriteriashouldbeusedtopreventdamage.

Myapologiesfornotreplyingsooner,thankstoeveryonefortheircontribution.ThebridgeisintheGulfofCarpentaria,MainRoadsareimprovingtheinfrastructurebecause
seasonalfloodingoftenclosesthehighwayswhichstopsfreightfromservicingtheNorthernTerritory.

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