ugwaraich
Location: uk
Dr sahib yaqeenan aapka tajziya maloomaat ka zakheera
hay. laikin mujhey kuch baatain samajh naheen aeen iss
para main.
Woh yeh kay merey khayal main urdu ka arbi say lisani
rishta ziada qareeb ka hay banisbat punjabi kay, kiounkay
aapko aisay bohat say ilfaaz milaingay jo likhnay main aur
soati (pronounciation) main arbi say mutabiqat rakhtay
hain.
Doosray yeh kay aapnay jo kuch misaalain di hain punjabi
kay alfaz ki jaisay Ghaeen ko G keh kay bulana ya, Sheen
ko seen kehna, ya Dal ko Jeen kehna maslan Qudrat ko
Qujrat, jiss punjabi tabqay say mera talluq hay wahan
aisay ilfaaz kabhi sun nay main naheen aye. Maslan
Qudrat ko Qudrat hee kaha jaata hay ya janoobi punjab
main shayad Quzrat kaha jaata ho jahan saraiki ka tarz e
guftagoo punjabi pay ziada asar andaaz hay. Kia aap
wazahat kar saktay hain kay aap kiss ilaqay ki punjabi
pay tabsara kar rahay hain? kiounkay meri chati hiss keh
rahi hay kay aisi punjabi sarhad kay uss paar hee boli
jaati hay aur shayad ussay gurmukhi kehtay hain.
Wed Mar 26, 2008
Dr Maqsood Hasni
Location: punjab
main aap donoon sahiban ka dil-o-jan se mumnoon hoon
kah aap ne towajo farmae.
khasusan "ugwaraich" ka kah onhoon ne guftagu ka
rastah khola
pura punjab (os par ka ho ya es par ka) Arbi se motasar
howa hai.
Arbi ne sari pakistani zobanoon par asraat moratab kiay
hain.
Aawazoon ka tabadal puray punjab main mojood hai aur
yah seraf punjabi tak mahdood nahain.
wasaib main eak tabqah nahain hota yah bohat saray
tabqaat se tashkeel pata hai
daikhnay main lafz punjab lagta hai likin os ki jarain Arbi
ya kisi aur zoban se juri ho sakti hain
Arbi kiya farsi aur angraizi nay bhi punjabi par asraat
moratab kiay hain
bohat jald pakistani zobanoon par asraat k hawalah se
morozaat paish karoon ga
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Fri Mar 28, 2008
loje
Forum Family Member
Location: Saudia Arabia
ugwaraich wrote:
Dr sahib yaqeenan aapka tajziya maloomaat ka
zakheera hay. laikin mujhey kuch baatain samajh naheen
aeen iss para main.
Woh yeh kay merey khayal main urdu ka arbi say lisani
rishta ziada qareeb ka hay banisbat punjabi kay, kiounkay
aapko aisay bohat say ilfaaz milaingay jo likhnay main aur
soati (pronounciation) main arbi say mutabiqat rakhtay
hain.
Doosray yeh kay aapnay jo kuch misaalain di hain punjabi
kay alfaz ki jaisay Ghaeen ko G keh kay bulana ya, Sheen
ko seen kehna, ya Dal ko Jeen kehna maslan Qudrat ko
Qujrat, jiss punjabi tabqay say mera talluq hay wahan
aisay ilfaaz kabhi sun nay main naheen aye. Maslan
Qudrat ko Qudrat hee kaha jaata hay ya janoobi punjab
main shayad Quzrat kaha jaata ho jahan saraiki ka tarz e
guftagoo punjabi pay ziada asar andaaz hay. Kia aap
wazahat kar saktay hain kay aap kiss ilaqay ki punjabi
pay tabsara kar rahay hain? kiounkay meri chati hiss keh
rahi hay kay aisi punjabi sarhad kay uss paar hee boli
jaati hay aur shayad ussay gurmukhi kehtay hain.
yes you are right on that i see that arabi is close to urdu
some times not punjabi as i think
Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:55 pm
bababula
Dr Maqsood Hasni
ommeed hai aap essi tara tovajo bani rahay gi
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Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:10 pm
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Punjabi-1
Dr Maqsood Hasni
aajkal
i agree with you
Thu Jun 24, 2010
Dr Maqsood Hasni
Punjabi aur Arbi kay lisani reshta kay hawala say chand
morozaat
"Dr. sahib yaqeenan aapka tajziya maloomaat ka
zakheera hay. laikin mujhey kuch baatain samajh naheen
aeen iss para main.
Woh yeh kay merey khayal main urdu ka arbi say lisani
rishta ziada qareeb ka hay banisbat punjabi kay, kiounkay
aapko aisay bohat say ilfaaz milaingay jo likhnay main aur
soati (pronounciation) main arbi say mutabiqat rakhtay
hain.
Doosray yeh kay aapnay jo kuch misaalain di hain punjabi
kay alfaz ki jaisay Ghaeen ko G keh kay bulana ya, Sheen
ko seen kehna, ya Dal ko Jeen kehna maslan Qudrat ko
Qujrat, jiss punjabi tabqay say mera talluq hay wahan
aisay ilfaaz kabhi sun nay main naheen aye. Maslan
Qudrat ko Qudrat hee kaha jaata hay ya janoobi punjab
main shayad Quzrat kaha jaata ho jahan saraiki ka tarz e
guftagoo punjabi pay ziada asar andaaz hay.
Kia aap wazahat kar saktay hain kay aap kiss ilaqay ki
punjabi pay tabsara kar rahay hain?
kiounkay meri chati hiss keh rahi hay kay aisi punjabi
sarhad kay uss paar hee boli jaati hay aur shayad ussay
gurmukhi kehtay hain."
(ugwaraich, Senior Proud Pakistani,
www.forumpakistan.com)
ugwaraich Sahib aap nay mairi morozaat par bari
mohabat anjidgi kay sath tovajo farmae, es kay liay
dil-o-jan say ehsan'mand hoon.
Allah aap ko kush rakhay.
Hakam zobanain jab bhi kisi alaqa main kisi bhi hawala
say warid hoti hain to wo bila imtiyaz wahaan ki bolioon
aur zobanoon par asraat chorti hain. Yoon bhi keh saktay
moamlaat-e-hayat kay hawala say woh wahaan ki bolioon
aur zobanoon par kisi na'kisi sata par asar'andaz hoti
hain.
Punjabi bar-e-sagher ki porani aur lisani nazam kay
hawala say donyan ki zobanoon ameer tarein zoban
hai.(1) Yahhi nahain yahaan ki kaseer aabadi essay bolti
aur samjhti hai. Moamlay ko lehjoon kay hawala say alag
rakhain kayoon'kah yah bilkul eak joda mozo-e-guftagu
hai.
Punjabi nay bar-e-sagher ki bohat sari bolioon aur
zobanoon ko motasar kiya aur oon say asraat bhi
qabolay. Ba'toor hawala aap mola vajhi ki sab'ras ko lay
saktay hain. Dakni adab kay liay adal shahi aur qotab
shahi adab ko aap nazar'andaz nahain kar saktay. Bilkul
essi tara raam'puri aur agri ko bhi mad-e-nazar rakh
saktay hain. Yahhi surat-e-haal sindhi ki hai. Es kay liay
Saein Sachal Sarmast Sahib aur shajoraslu ko bhi
malahza kar saktay hain. Pothohaar kay alaqa main Qissa
safar-ul-eshq, Jhang kay zimun main molvi abdul hakeem
jhangvi ki nijat-ul-momainein, Saraeki kay liay Hazrat
Baba Fareed Sahib, Hazrat Khaja Ghulam fareed ko
zaroor daikh lain.
Heer waris shah, Heer moqbal, Kalaam hazrat nosha ganj
bakhsh sahib, Molvi Ghulam Rasool alam'puri waghera ki
punjabi ko sarsari nazar say bhi daikhain gay to yah baat
dhaki chupi na rahay gi kah punjabi nay bar-e-sagher ki
moqami bolioon aur zobanoon say asraat qabool kiay
hain aur yah amar es ki lachak'paziri ko wazay karta hai.
jo zoban/boli jitni lachak'pazeer ho gi os ka
daera-e-izhar bhi otna hi wase ho ga.
Muslim dour kay zimun main arbi ko avliat daitay hain.
Koe bhi shaeri ki kitab otha kar daikh lain os main un'gint
alfaz arbi kay mojood paein gay. Es ki suratain mukhtalif
ho sakti hain. Maslan
a. alfaz ki haiat tabdeel nahain hoe likin maeni badal gay.
b Arbi alfaz main ashkali tabdiliaan aae hain
c. Arbi alfaz kay estamalaat punjabi lisani set-up kay
motabiq howay hain.
d digar jin moqami bolioon aur zobanoon say arbi alfaz
liay gay hain wahan
wo os boli ya zoban kay lisani nazam kay motabaq
estamal howay hain
likin punjabi main aa kar oon ki surat kuch ki kuch ho kar
reh gae hai.
e. wahad jama ki tashkeel punjabi kay apnay lisani
asoloon kay motabaq hoe hai
f. movanas mazakar main bhi punjabi nay apnay asoloon
ko mad-e-nazar rakha hai.
g. talafaz main gher mamoli tabdiliaan aae hain.
Aisi aur bohat sari suratain hain jin ko aap punjabi kay
sheri adab ko daikh kar andaza farma saktay hain.
Bila'shuba Urdu bhi dosri zobanoon aur bolioon ki tara
arbi say motasar hoe hai. Yah poranay waqtoon main bhi
poray bar-e-sagher ki zoban thi aur yahi surat aaj bhi
hai. Donya ki koe zoban aisi nahain ho gi jis kay tein (2)
rasum-ul-khat hoon. Yah sharaf aur seraf Hindustani (3)
(Urdu+Hindi) ko hasal hai.
Urdu es waqt donya ki dosri bari boli, samjhi, likhi aur
parhi janay wali zoban hai jabkah apnay awazoon kay
nazam kay hawala say pehli bari zoban hai. Es mozo par
main kahein aur bari tafseel say apni morozaat paish kar
chuka hoon. La'mohala es zoban nay apnay jossay kay
hawala say hakim zobanoon say ziyada asraat qabool kiay
hain likin punjabi ka jussa aur bolanay waloon ki tadaad
kuch kam nahain es liay es nay bhi arbi say asraat qabool
kiay hain.
Arbi lafzoon ki shakal maeni aur estamalaat kuch ke kuch
ho gay hain. Agar mairi baat par yaqeen na aa'ay to heer
moqbal, heer waris shah, qissa safar-ul-eshq,
nijat-ul-momainein, kallam bulle shah kasuri, kalaam
shah hussain lahori, kalaam nosha gunj bukhsh, ahwal lul
akhkairaat (molvi abdul wahab), Kalaam peer mehar ali
shah sahib, kalaam fazal shah gujrati, kalaam daem iqbal,
waghera ko eak nazar zaroor daikh lain, arbi kay asraat
aap ba'khobi daikh sakain gay.
Farsi ki bhi yahi surat hai. Onwan tak farsi main likhay
gay hain. Hawashi bhi moratab kiay gay hain. Main
Mohammad Bukash Sahib nay qissa saef-ul-malooq (4)
kay aakhar main farsi alfaz ko hawashi ki surat main
daraj kiya hai.
Awazoon ka tabadal koe nae baat nahain.
wao kay liay bay ( bai'chara say wachara)
pay kay liay wao (Qadi'pind say qadi'wind)
daal kay liay zay (Khadmat say khizmat)
daal kay liay wao (zima'dari say zima'wari,
zawad kay liay jeem (zarorat say jarorat)
zaal kay liay jeem (zail say jaial/jaiel)
Ray kay liay laam (professor say profaisal)
waghera waghera.
Essi tara noon ka hashvi estamal bhi aam hai maslan
hosla say honsla.
Baat edher ya odhar ki nahain. Aap street main ba'toor
mohaqaq niklain, aap ko yah sab sonnay ko mil ja'ay ga.
Punjab ka koe aisa gali ya kocha nahain ho ga jahan
punjab ki dosri walaetoon kay log na aatay jatay hoon gay
lihaza aap zara bariki say en tabadalaat ko daikhain.
Mujhy yaqein hai kah aap es hawala say maus nahain
hoon gay.
Maira ta'alaq odhar say nahain edhar say hai aur mairay
pas edhar kay punjab kay kae dost aatay jatay rehtay
hain aur oon say mairi baat cheet hoti rehti hai. Es baat
cheet kay hawala say mein nay bari zima'dari say
misalain aap ki kidmat main paish ki hain.
Hindi koe alag say zoban nahain hai. yah angraiz ki (1800)
sazesh thi. lala lalluji es ka mohra banay. Bilkul essi tara
gurmakhi punjabi say koe alag zoban nahain yah sikhism
kay zair-e-asar vajood main aae.
Aslun donoon zobanoon (6) kay rasm-ul-khat bohat
pehlay koe aur thay ya yah moqami rasoom-ul khat main
likhi jati thein. Ram kay daramoon kay jab tarajum howay
(7) to pata chala yah to Hindustani (Urdu+Hindi) hai. Mein
nay zimnun yah baat likh di hai aur es ka matni ta'alaq es
mozo say nahain.
Agar main aap ki oljhan dour kar saka hoon to mujhy
khushi hai warna aap es zimun main mazeed sawal ya
misalain talab karnay ka asuli haq mehfooz rakhtay hain.
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1. Ibtadae kalasoon main es ki alif bay parhae nahain jati
aur nahi es koe tadrisi
qaeda hai, es kay ba'vajood kaseer tadaad main likhi aur
parhi jati hai.
2. arbi, dav'nagri, roman
3. hindustan kisi moqami zoban ka lafz nahain hai. yah
bar-e-sagher ka motradaf hai,
hind arbi jab'kah satan farsi lahqa hai.
ab es ki tein riyastain mojood hain:
a. Bharat
b. Pakistan
c. Bangladash,
Yah lafz bangalali nahain hai. Bangal+dais
jaisay lyalpur lyal+pur
4. qissa safar-ul-eshq
5. zima, zoma kay talafaz main bhi mostamal hai
6. hindustani aur punjabi+gurmokho
7. Syed Imtiyaz Ali Taj marhoom
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Thu Jul 01, 2010
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ARBI AUR PUNJABI KA LISANI RESHTAH
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Sat Mar 22, 2008
Dr Maqsood Hasni