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Elements which are common only for A and C are in section e; CrackVerbalGMAT
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Elements which are common only for B and C are in section f. 4m ago
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Again: when we add three groups A, B, and C some sections are counted more than once. For instance: sections d, e, and f are Timers
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counted twice and section g thrice. Hence we need to subtract sections d, e, and f ONCE (to count section g only once) and bindu.sri822@gmail.com
subtract section g TWICE (again to count section g only once). Timers
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When we subtract sum of EXACT LY 2 group overlaps from A+B+C we subtract sections d, e, and f once (fine) and Timers
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next we need to subtract ONLY section g (AnBnC ) twice. That's it. tenergy
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"are placed on at least one team": members of none =0; Timers
"20 are on the marketing team": M=20; 20m ago
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"40 are on the Vision team": V=40; 22m ago
"5 workers are on both the Marketing and Sales teams": MnS=5, note here that some from these 5 can be the members of Vision
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team as well, MnS is sections d an g on the diagram (assuming Marketing = A, Sales = B and Vision = C);
"6 workers are on both the Sales and Vision teams": SnV=6 (the same as above sections f an g);
"9 workers are on both the Marketing and Vision teams": MnV=9. 5,769 Decision Tracker
"4 workers are on all three teams": MnSnV=4, section 4. Decisions
Applying first formula as we have intersections of two groups and not the number of only (exactly) 2 group members:
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T otal = M + S + V (MnS + MnV + SnV ) + MnSnV + Neither = 20 + 30 + 40 (5 + 6 + 9) + 4 + 0 = 74.
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"Each of the 59 members in a high school class is required to sign up for a minimum of one and a maximum of three academic
clubs": Total=59, Neither=0 (as members are required to sign up for a minimum of one);
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"28 students for the writing club": W=28;
"6 students sign up for exactly two clubs": (sum of EXACTLY 2-group overlaps)=6, so the sum of sections d, e, and f is given to 1753 Paid & Free questions in
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Question:: "How many students sign up for all three clubs?" --> PnHnW = g =?
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Apply second formula: T otal = P + H + W (sum of EXACT LY 2 group overlaps) 2 PnHnW + Neither
--> 59 = 22 + 27 + 28 6 2 x + 0--> x = 6.
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"5 belong to A, 7 belong to B, and 9 belong to C": A=5, B=7, and C=9;
"2 belong to all three organizations": AnBnC=g=2;
"3 belong to exactly 2 organizations": (sum of EXACTLY 2-group overlaps)=3, so the sum of sections d, e, and f is given to be 3, #5 ScottTargetTestP 660 pts
(among these 3 adults there are no one who is a member of ALL 3 clubs)
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Question:: Neither=?
Apply second formula: T otal= A + B + C (sum of EXACT LY 2 group overlaps) 2 AnBnC + Neither--> #7 stonecold 570 pts
20 = 5 + 7 + 9 3 2 2 + Neither--> Neither = 6.
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This semester, each of the 90 students in a certain class took at least one course from A, B, and C. If 60 students took A,
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"90 students": Total=90; YOUR EXPECTED RANK TOMORROW
"of the 90 students in a certain class took at least one course from A, B, and C": Neither=0; IN OVERALL RATING
"60 students took A, 40 students took B, 20 students took C": A=60, B=40, and C=20;
"5 students took all the three courses": AnBnC=g=5;
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Question:: (sum of EXACTLY 2-group ov erlaps)=?
Apply second formula: T otal = A + B + C (sum of EXACT LY 2 group overlaps) 2 AnBnC + Neither-->
90 = 60 + 40 + 20 x 2 5 + 0--> x = 20.
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Apply second formula: T otal = A + B + C (sum of EXACT LY 2 group overlaps) 2 AnBnC + Neither-->
60 = 30 + 40 + 10 12 2 x + 0--> x = 4.
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When Professor Wang looked at the rosters for this term's classes, she saw that the roster for her economics class (E) had
26 names, the roster for her marketing class (M) had 28, and the roster for her statistics class (S) had 18. When she
compared the rosters, she saw that E and M had 9 names in common, E and S had 7, and M and S had 10. She also saw that
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"E had 26 names, M had 28, and S had 18": E=26, M=28, and S=18;
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In a consumer survey, 85% of those surveyed liked at least one of three products: 1, 2, and 3. 50% of those asked liked
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"In a class of 50 students...": Total=50;
"20 play Hockey, 15 play Cricket and 11 play Football": H=20, C=15, and F=11;
"7 play both Hockey and Cricket, 4 play Cricket and Football and 5 play Hockey and football": HnC=7, CnF=4, and HnF=5. Notice
that "7 play both Hockey and Cricket" does not mean that out of those 7, some does not play Football too. The same for
Cricket/Football and Hockey/Football;
"18 students do not play any of these given sports": Neither=18.
{Total}={Hockey}+{Cricket}+{Football}-{HC+CH+HF}+{All three}+{Neither}
Those who play ONLY Hockey and Cricket are 7-2=5; ALL YOU NEED FOR QUANT 32
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Those who play ONLY Hockey and Football are 5-2=3;
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Hence, 5+2+3=10 students play exactly two of these sports. Theory by Bunuel
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I'm sorry, can someone explain the distinction on when to use which Formula. What are the factors that would define the use of
Formula 1 vs Formula 2, and v ice versa?
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I'm sorry, can someone explain the distinction on when to use which Formula. What are the factors that would define the
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True # of objects = (total in exactly 1 group) + (total in exactly 2 groups) + (total in exactly 3 groups)
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the two formulas are for problems with 3 groups, but what if Im dealing with 2 groups problems?
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Brilliant. Even though I can always solve this kind of problem from scratch, I take more than 2 minutes to do so. How important
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Brilliant. Even though I can always solve this kind of problem from scratch, I take more than 2 minutes to do so. How
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Brilliant. Ev en though I can always solve this kind of problem from scratch, I take more than 2 minutes to do so. How
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I am trying to understand the formula rather than actually memorizing it but I'm stuck when Bunuel says "Sum of 2-group
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I am trying to understand the formula rather than actually memorizing it but I'm stuck when Bunuel says "Sum of 2-group
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use "exactly 2" formula only when the question giv es you exactly 2-group overlaps, otherwise use the first formula.
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whether it is exactly 2 or not. In such problems I use the exactly 2-group formula, I do not know why, but all the problem of this
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I am trying to understand the formula rather than actually memorizing it but I'm stuck when Bunuel says "Sum of 2-group
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Maybe if someone could just explain when to use which formula I might be able to understand or memorize it better.
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use "exactly 2" formula only when the question gives you exactly 2-group ov erlaps, otherwise use the first formula.
this becomes really confusing when the question is asking for the sum of 2-group overlaps, and the question does not
mention whether it is exactly 2 or not. In such problems I use the exactly 2-group formula, I do not know why, but all the
problem of this type are solved by the second formula.
Really don't know what can I add to the post. Maybe you should practice more.
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I'm trying to find difference between two given formulas in order to apply them correctly.
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while formula#2 might be used ONLY when in premise says something as belong/ include ONLY to two groups/categories?
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while formula#2 might be used ONLY when in premise says something as belong/ include ONLY to two groups/categories?
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ckings45 Re: ADVANCED OVERLAPPING SETS PROBLEMS [#permalink] Mar 14, 2014 10:28 pm
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asagraw Re: ADVANCED OVERLAPPING SETS PROBLEMS [#permalink] Jul 15, 2014 12:23 pm
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Hi Bunuel,
I am not able to understand first formula. As you mentioned "When we add three groups A, B, and C some sections are counted
more than once. For instance: sections d, e, and f are counted twice and section g thrice." but aren't we counting g six times?
Please explain as I am very much confused with this. Thanks.
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Ashish
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Re: ADVANCED OVERLAPPING SETS PROBLEMS [#permalink] Jul 15, 2014 2:43 pm
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Bunuel wrote:
Theeraya wrote:
Brilliant. Ev en though I can always solve this kind of problem from scratch, I take more than 2 minutes to do so. How
important is it to memorize these formulas?
FOLLOW SEND PM Adding to the excellent post of Bunuel , I think that memorising this formula is not required if one has the clarity of the
concept and the figure in mind. I would rather devote my limited memory to learn geometry formulae which can't be derived
easily but then to each his own
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gmatclubot Re: ADVANCED OVERLAPPING SETS PROBLEMS [#permalink] Jul 15, 2014 2:43 pm
303 Formulae for 3 overlapping sets amitdgr 49 Sep 12, 2008 5:11 pm
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