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September 22, 2016 by Cyprien 14 Comments
If you have been into FEA for some time, you know probably that there is this kind of
basic knowledge that every analyst will tell youthat you need to know
The paradox is that it is very practical knowledge and it is almost never taught in the FEA
textbooks(and when you ask those specialists to teach you, they tell you that you should
know it, thats all)
Manually map-meshing a plate with a hole is this kind of knowledge.
If this is too basic for you, then you can pass this video, thats okay but I made the
promise to create videos for all levels of FEA students and I intend to respect it.
If you like the video, let me know! Ill appreciate your feedback :)
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How to manually map-mesh a plate with 2 holes
Now a quick question:
What type of meshing have you some dif culties to create?
Let me know and Imay explain about it in the next post.
/////////Update///////////////
Just got a video from Stefan E. who told me there was a faster way to do that in midas
NFX!
Here is the video he sent me:
1:00
Thank you Stefan! I learn every day ;-)
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Wilbert Engels says

September 22, 2016 at 1:28 pm
Hi Cyprien,
Thanks for the video. Basic knowledge, maybe, but a nice video as a reminder for not
to take automatic meshing for granted or correct.
A question: is it possible, using MidasNFX, to smoothen the mesh? The elements in the
extreme corners of the patches now have quite a large slenderness?
Kind regards,
Wilbert
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Wilbert says
Hi Cyprien, again,
Stefan Es method already gives a smoother mesh; maybe thats the solution. I
missed that typing my previous reply.
But the question still remains: how to smoothen a mesh in MidasNFX? Still
interested in your reaction.
Kind regards,
Wilbert
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Cyprien says
September 25, 2016 at 4:39 am
Unfortunately, there are no automated ways to do that in NFX midas NFX is

a bit limited compared to hypermesh for example. SO if you want to
smoothen the mesh even more, youll have to do that manually again by
dividing the plate into smaller patches I guess
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Manisha Manisha says

Hey I have a question regarding continuity. We all know that the shape functions of
order one i.e. linear shape functions are known to possess C0 continuity How about
the higher order elements As far as I know only two types of elements exists in FEM
with regard to continuity C0 and C1. C1 are plate and shell elements where
continuity in slope is also required.
If thats the case then 20 node brick elements would be C1 continuous also correct
me if I am wrong
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Cyprien says
Hi Manisha, I hope I am not wrong, but I think higher order elements are better
because they are C1 continuous (which mean that their derivate is also
continuous). To be veri ed though
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Boyd says
May 10, 2017 at 7:16 am
Higher order elements are not always better. Do some reading on

extrapolation of results at nodes.
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Julien says
Hi ! Thanks but what is the real impact on results? Work on shells meshing? Maybe its
better for part which contains lot of holes?
Ill try it ASAP :-)
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Cyprien says
Well Julien, better mesh means, of course, more accurate results. The mesh has to
be good in areas where stresses are changing fast, otherwise, the mesh cannot
capture the real behavior of the model you are trying to simulate.
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Joe says
October 10, 2016 at 2:35 pm
For all practical purposes, creating a mapped mesh for real geometries is quite unlikely.
What is the impact of the automatically created mesh on the results? Please run and
share with us the results as a comparison. With all things considered (other
assumptions compared to reality), I may say that the effect of the automated mesh is
insigni cant when compared to the mapped mesh.
The action is all happening around the holes, so in my opinion, the automated mesh
had created nice uniform elements around the holes. Now perhaps in-between the
holes there could be better formed elements shapes, but that could possibly be xed
with some quick meshing controls around the holes. In my opinion, the automated
mesh is the better way to go; rather than be a master mesher, I would rather be
considered a master engineer.
The real art of engineering when applied to the FEM lies with the users ability to
correctly interpret the real-world conditions in de ning the boundary conditions and
the ability to interpret the results correctly to determine whether they would match
what happens physically. Meshing is just a tool as a means to those ends. Yes, it is an
input/assumption like any other, so I would like to argue, should we put more emphasis
on this rather than, for example, what the actual loading conditions are?
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Cyprien says
October 11, 2016 at 6:50 am
Hi Joe,
I approve totally your view. We are engineers not Master Meshers :)

Ill tend to say that proper boundary conditions are indeed more important than a
beautiful mesh, but I also want to say that both are important. FEA is a system in
which all parts interact together. Even if one part is more important than another,
it doesnt mean that a less important part has less impact in some other more
speci c circumstances. I think that the worst thing to do is to place some things
into precise categories and to consider that the assumptions we made for those
categories are always valid. Every model is different and even if for a simplistic
model such as the one presented, automeshing would give almost the same result
(to be veri ed though), it doesnt mean that this will remain true for every models.
So, my purpose here is more to train about the best practices available because
they may come handy sometimes.
But de nitely, engineering is about testing so if automesh performs faster and

better in some cases and you have some proofs to advance, then of course you
should choose it over manual meshing!
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Leonid says
June 9, 2017 at 7:05 am
Nice video, but the mesh in this case looks not so good. I recommended divide the face
into 8 parts with step of 45 deg. In this case the elements quality is much better.
Unfortunately I cant leave a screens here.
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Cyprien says
June 12, 2017 at 4:43 am
Thank you Leonid! I would be interested to see your improvement ;-) you can send
it by email to cyprien@feaforall.com
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Boyd Mckay says

June 9, 2017 at 7:49 am
Keep the focus away from the software. The issue is to have suitable elements to
capture the physical response in locations of interest and to suitably model the
response of the entire model. That takes more than automated meshing techniques. I
personally nd myself examined the element formulation to help decide how to mesh
(geometric element limitations). You should tire kick the mesh regardless of whether it
was automated or not.
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Cyprien says
June 12, 2017 at 4:48 am
Totally agree with you here Boyd :) Thanks for taking the time to write about your
personal experience, it is always helpful to have experienced engineers telling
what they think!
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How to map-mesh manually a plate with 2

Manually map-meshing a plate with a hole is this kind of knowledge.

How to manually map-mesh a plate with 2 holes

Now a quick question:

What type of meshing have you some dif culties to create?

Let me know and Imay explain about it in the next post.

Here is the video he sent me:

Thank you Stefan! I learn every day ;-)

Filed Under: Mesh

Wilbert Engels says

Unfortunately, there are no automated ways to do that in NFX midas NFX is

Manisha Manisha says

continuous). To be veri ed though

Higher order elements are not always better. Do some reading on

I approve totally your view. We are engineers not Master Meshers :)

But de nitely, engineering is about testing so if automesh performs faster and

Boyd Mckay says

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