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The Magic Cafe Forum Index Penny for your thoughts Kolossal Killer vs. Killer Konceptions(0Likes)

Posted: May 7, 2005 05:25 pm

gerard1973 0

I need your advice on a purchase. I am thinking about buying Kenton's original Kolossal Killer but Ive heard that Killer
Konceptions is much better. I don't know which trick would be a better buy. Ive done some research on both tricks but
people seem to be divided on which is better. It seems that some people like Kolossal Killer and others like Killer
Konceptions.

Special user Kolossal Killer is Kenton's trick that has a manuscript explaining how to perform it and Killer Konceptions is a just
Michigan, U.S.A. manuscript. On his website, Kenton says that Killer Konceptions was not meant to replace" the original Kolossal Killer and
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that you'll need the manuscript from Kolossal Killer rst to read and comprehend Killer Konceptions. If this is correct I
might be better to just buy the Original Kolossal Killer and not worry about which effect is better. I would like to purchase
both but I can only afford one.

I would rather buy a book than a trick anyday but I've heard so many good things about this trick that I am going to
purchase it anyway. Does anyone know whether the Kolossal Killer or the Killer Konceptions trick is in any of Kenton's
books? I am going to buy a couple of Kenton's books later this year and it might just be cheaper for me to just buy the
Kenton book that has contains the effect. If neither are in any of his books, which trick would you suggest that I purchase,
the Original Kolossal Killer or Killer Konceptions? Thank you for your help and advice.

Gerard
"Confusion is not magic."
Dai Vernon
Posted: May 8, 2005 12:02 am
David Numen 0

Nope, KK is not in any other books. And you denitely need the original manuscript before you get Konceptions. I love the
variations in Konception and may use some of them (in fact the verbal force is something I do use) but I generally use the
original version.

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Posted: May 8, 2005 03:56 am

tuffnavyrn 0

Yup...gotta own Kolossal Killer rst.

Brian-
"That smart thing that somebody else said".

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Posted: May 8, 2005 10:41 pm

Alewishus 0

But, I ggured out the effect and method just by reading Killer Konceptions, though I would rather have had both at the
time.
Get them both.
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Posted: May 9, 2005 01:04 am

David Numen 0

It is certainly possible to gure out the method but there are many subtleties in the original manuscript.

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Posted: May 9, 2005 06:09 am

MephistoWizard 0

Both are well worth the cost, but I agree with those who say you really should have both to do justice and if you only
choose one, make it the original.

MephistoWizard

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Posted: Feb 28, 2011 01:47 am

oliver_wolf 0

There is a new version of Killer Konceptions out ("Killer Konceptions 2010"). Who ever is working with Kolossal Killer and
already own the old konception manual ...consider updating it to 2010. It is the same plus, plus, plus... A lot of working
mentalists have contributed their version of the Kolossal Killer. You can get it via wonderwizards.com as a PDF.

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Posted: Feb 28, 2011 07:11 am

TonyB2009 0

Bang On by Marc Oberon is a far stronger effect than Kolossal Killer. It allows you eliminate the childish "off by one" out.
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Posted: Feb 28, 2011 09:29 am

EventEntertainer 0

I do several of my own variations. One I eliminate all the writing, one with no cards, and (coupled with anout idea) one you
can even do over the phone. I love KK, and think the KK2010 would compliment the original nicely!

gerard1973:

Inner circle If you DO get KK, please let me know. I have a new variation that allows the cards to be freely shown and even given away
Look Ma! as souvineers. A few people are already using it.
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Posted: Feb 28, 2011 05:03 pm
Roger Kelly 0

Quote:

On 2011-02-28 08:11, TonyB2009 wrote:

Bang On by Marc Oberon is a far stronger effect than Kolossal Killer. It allows you eliminate
Inner circle the childish "off by one" out.
Kent, England
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Ouch! Controversial

I actually prefer the off by one! Bang on is excellent, but its a bit heavy on pocket space.
 As for KK and KK - get both - great reading and you wont be disappointed.
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Posted: Feb 28, 2011 05:08 pm
Amir 0

Quote:

On 2011-02-28 08:11, TonyB2009 wrote:

Inner circle Bang On by Marc Oberon is a far stronger effect than Kolossal Killer. It allows you eliminate
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4682 Posts the childish "off by one" out.

Childish only for you maybe Tony. Is a GREAT dramatic moment. If you cant handle it, sorry.
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Posted: Feb 28, 2011 05:10 pm
jdmagic357 0

I do a version of this that combines work by Kenton Knepper with work by Larry Becker to be spot on with one card. Wonder
if I should market it, with the honorable mention of the two creators I saw inspiration from?
Just cause they say it, doesn't make it true.

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Posted: Feb 28, 2011 05:14 pm

IAIN 0

Quote:

On 2011-02-28 18:10, jdmagic357 wrote:

I do a version of this that combines work by Kenton Knepper with work by Larry Becker to be
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england spot on with one card. Wonder if I should market it, with the honorable mention of the two
15829 Posts creators I saw inspiration from?

though you'd need their respective permissions, rather than crediting if you are using their methods...

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Posted: Feb 28, 2011 05:28 pm
Amir 0

Quote:

On 2011-02-28 18:10, jdmagic357 wrote:

Inner circle I do a version of this that combines work by Kenton Knepper with work by Larry Becker to be
MentalismCenter.com
4682 Posts spot on with one card. Wonder if I should market it, with the honorable mention of the two
creators I saw inspiration from?

Do it ! It can be fun
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Posted: Feb 28, 2011 05:39 pm
JanForster 0

Quote:

On 2011-02-28 18:03, Roger Kelly wrote:

Quote:

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traveling... On 2011-02-28 08:11, TonyB2009 wrote:
3488 Posts Bang On by Marc Oberon is a far stronger effect than Kolossal
Killer. It allows you eliminate the childish "off by one" out.

Ouch! Controversial

I actually prefer the off by one! Bang on is excellent, but its a bit heavy on pocket space.

As for KK and KK - get both - great reading and you wont be disappointed.

Well said, Roger; couldn't agree more. It's simply a matter of taste and style. My favorite (knowing and trying all): a
combination (yes, my idea) of On the Mark (Mark Elsdon) and Bang On. Love it. Jan
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