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Hi all

This is a quote from a recent (06-26-16) jw.org page:

"The Bible teaches that evil men will be done away with so that good people can enjoy life
on earth. (Psalm 37:9-11) This destruction will happen at the great tribulation, which
culminates in the war of Armageddon."

Source: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/end-of-the-world (third paragraph)

I thought that evil men will be done away with described an action taken to cleanse the earth
during Armageddon. But this article says that wicked mankind will be targeted and destroyed
during the great tribulation.

Is this new light?

Have I missed some recent article where our views have changed regarding Ps 37:9?

Let me know what you think?

:^)
Dave
da.getmyip@gmail.com

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UPDATE:

Jake sent me this:

kr p. 228, par. 17: The war of Armageddon will be the finale of the great tribulation. At that
point, Jesus will take on an added task. Besides being the Judge of all the nations, he will also
become the Executioner of nationsthat is, of all the people whom he had earlier judged as
goats. (Matt. 25:32, 33)

Notice that Armageddon is still considered part of the "great tribulation."

(See chart on next page)


Before the Kingdom comes to put an end Jehovah sends his King
WHAT T HE NEA R to its enemies, several significant events to defend all loyal ones
(Ezek. 38:18)
FUTURE HOLDS
BEGINNING OF A PERIOD OF UNKNOWN LENGTH
will take place. Gods Word reveals what
lies ahead of us (See paragraph 2) (See paragraphs 13, 16-18)

Precursor of the The Great Events Leading Up Finale of the


Great Tribulation Tribulation Begins to Armageddon Great Tribulation

A R MAGE DDON
(Matt. 25:46; Rev. 16:16)
(See paragraphs 16, 17)
Pronouncement Attack on religion Celestial Gathering to heaven of the
of peace and security (Rev. 17:16) phenomena remaining anointed ones
(1 Thess. 5:2, 3) (See paragraphs 5, 6) (Matt. 24:29) (Matt. 24:31)
(See paragraphs 3, 4) (See paragraph 9) (See paragraph 15)

Final sealing of Attack cut short


the remnant of (Matt. 24:21, 22)
anointed Christians (See paragraph 7)
(Rev. 7:1-3)
(See paragraph 15)

Judgment of
sheep and goats
(Matt. 25:31-33)
(See paragraph 10)

Attack of
Gog of Magog
(Ezek. 38:2, 11, 15)
(See paragraphs 12-14)

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Thanks Jake.

So the God's Kingdom Rules! book says in chapter 21 that Armageddon does not come after the Great
Tribulation, Armageddon is part of the Great Tribulation, the final chapter of the Great Tribulation, the
"Grand Finale".
Everything that happens during Armageddon also happens during the Great Tribulation since
Armageddon is part of the Great Tribulation. And Rev 7:14 "These are the ones who come out of the
great tribulation," really means: 'These are the ones who survive Armageddon'.

Another reference I found that seems to point to the same conclusion (published after the kr book 2014):

[w15 3/15 p.13 5] Matthew chapters 24 and 25 contains eight references to his coming; in each
case, a form of the same Greek word is used. In every instance, Jesus was referring to the time during
the great tribulation when he will come to carry out the judging work and then the destruction of this
world system of things.

This Watchtower also:

[w13 7/15 p.5 8] After that, we will witness Armageddon, the climax of the great tribulation, which
parallels Jerusalems destruction in 70 C.E. (Mal. 4:1) With the battle of Armageddon as its climax,
that coming great tribulation will be uniquean event such as has not occurred since the worlds
beginning. (Matt. 24:21)

The following page is a chart from the 7-15-2013 Watchtower. Even though it doesn't plainly say it,
apparently the Great Tribulation is between the two vertical dotted white lines, which includes
Armageddon. And paragraph 8 tells us that as well.
THE GREAT TRIBULATION AND WHAT HAPPENS AFTERWARD
FULFILLMENT IN United Nations (disgusting thing) will attack Jehovah will cut short Jesus will judge people Jesus will appoint The nations will
OUR TIME Christendom (holy place) and the rest of the attack on false religion; of all nations as sheep the faithful slave over be destroyed
false religion (Revelation 17:16-18) God will save his people or goats (Matthew 25:31-46) all his belongings (Revelation
(See paragraphs 12, 13) (Matthew 24:46, 47) 16:16)
(See paragraph 18)


LENGTH OF TIME NOT KNOWN CHRISTS
THE LAST
THOUSAND YEAR
DAYS DESTRUCTION OF FALSE RELIGION INTERVAL ARMAGEDDON RULE BEGINS

CORRESPONDING Roman army (disgusting thing) Roman army cut short Jerusalems
EVENTS IN THE attacked Jerusalem and its attack; Christians escaped destruction
FIRST CENTURY its temple (holy place) from Jerusalem and Judea

The disgusting thing . . . On account of the chosen ones Immediately after the
standing in a holy place those days will be cut short tribulation of those days . . .
(Matthew 24:15, 16) (Matthew 24:22) (Matthew 24:29-31)
(See paragraph 6) (See paragraph 7) (See paragraph 8)

1914, it would be interrupted in 1918, was the beginning of pangs of distress. thing, and Christendom is viewed as a 8 What happens after the great tribu-
and it would finish at Armageddon. (Matthew 24:8) These pangs of distress holy place by its followers. The United lation is cut short? Jesus explained that
4 Then we realized that a part of Jesus were similar to what happened in Jerusa- Nations will attack Christendom and the several events will happen before Arma-
prophecy about the last days has two ful- lem and the district of Judea from the rest of Babylon the Great, as also fore- geddon begins. These events are men-
fillments. (Matthew 24:4-22) It was ful- year 33 to the year 66. told at Revelation 17:16-18. This attack tioned at Ezekiel 38:14-16 and Matthew
filled in the first century in the district of 6 How will we know when the great on Babylon the Great will be the begin- 24:29-31. (Read.) (See endnote 2.) Then
Judea. And in our day there would be a tribulation has started? Jesus foretold: ning of the great tribulation. we will see Armageddon. The battle of
much larger fulfillment that would hap- When you catch sight of the disgusting 7 Jesus also foretold: Those days will Armageddon is the climax of the great
pen in the whole earth. So we needed thing that causes desolation, as spoken be cut short. In the first fulfillment, tribulation, just as the destruction of Je-
to change the way we understood some of through Daniel the prophet, standing the days were cut short in the year 66 rusalem was the climax of the first fulfill-
parts of the prophecy.See endnote 1. in a holy place, (let the reader use dis- when the Roman army stopped its at- ment of the prophecy. (Malachi 4:1) The
5 For example, the great tribulation cernment,) then let those in Judea be- tack on Jerusalem. Then the anointed great tribulation, with Armageddon as
gin fleeing to the mountains. (Matthew Christians in Jerusalem and Judea es- its climax, will be an event such as has
did not begin in 1914. How do we know
24:15, 16) The first fulfillment was in the caped from the city, which allowed their not happened since the worlds begin-
this? Because the Bibles prophecies
year 66 when the Roman army attacked flesh, or lives, to be saved. (Read ning. (Matthew 24:21) After it happens,
show that the great tribulation will be-
Jerusalem and its temple. The army was Matthew 24:22; Malachi 3:17) What will Christ will rule as King for 1,000 years.
gin with an attack on false religion. It 9 This prophecy about the great tribu-
will not begin with a war among nations. the disgusting thing that was stand- happen during the second fulfillment?
ing in a holy place, that is, a place that Jehovah will cut short the attack of the lation gives us strength. Why? Because
So the war that began in 1914 was not
the beginning of the great tribulation. It the Jews viewed as holy. This prophecy United Nations on religion so that true 8. (a) What will happen after the first part of
will have a second and larger fulfillment. religion is not destroyed with the false. the great tribulation? (b) At what point, appar-
4. What did we realize about Jesus prophecy? The United Nations is the disgusting His people will be saved. ently, will the last member of the 144,000 re-
5. (a) What began in 1914? (b) During what ceive his heavenly reward? (See endnote.)
years were there similar pangs of distress to 6. How will we know that the great tribulation 7. (a) How was flesh saved in the first centu- 9. How does Jesus prophecy about the great
those in the first century? has started? ry? (b) What will happen in the future? tribulation make us feel?

4 SIMPLIFIED EDITION JULY 15, 2013 5


It never registered with me before.
In my mind the Great Tribulation and Armageddon were two different things.
Was it the same with you?

:^)

Update:

On December 15, 2016 a new Article on JW.org was made available titled: What Is the Great
Tribulation? It makes it very clear that Armageddon is part of the Great Tribulation. I have
attached it to this PDF. (see next page)
Jehovahs Witnesses

What Is the Great Tribulation?

The Bibles answer


The great tribulation will bring the greatest time of trouble ever to
come upon mankind. According to Bible prophecy, it will occur during
the last days, or the end time. (2 Timothy 3:1; Daniel 12:4, New
American Bible) It will be a tribulation such as has not occurred from
the beginning of the creation that God created until that time, and will
not occur again.Mark 13:19; Daniel 12:1; Matthew 24:21, 22.

Events during the great tribulation


Destruction of false religion. With surprising speed, false religion will be destroyed. (Revelation
17:1, 5; 18:9, 10, 21) The political powers represented by the United Nations will carry out Gods
will in taking this action.Revelation 17:3, 15-18.*

Attack on true religion. A coalition of nations, referred to in Ezekiels vision as Gog of the land of
Magog, will try to annihilate those who practice true religion. However, God will protect his
worshippers from destruction.Ezekiel 38:1, 2, 9-12, 18-23.

Judgment of earths inhabitants. Jesus will judge all mankind and will separate people one from
another, just as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. (Matthew 25:31-33) The basis for
his judgment will be the support, or lack of support, that each person gave to Jesus brothers,
those who will rule with him in heaven.Matthew 25:34-46.

Gathering of Kingdom rulers. Faithful ones who have been chosen to rule with Christ will finish
their earthly course and be resurrected to life in heaven.Matthew 24:31; 1 Corinthians 15:50-53;
1 Thessalonians 4:15-17.

Armageddon. This war of the great day of God the Almighty is also called the day of Jehovah.
(Revelation 16:14, 16; Isaiah 13:9; 2 Peter 3:12) Those judged adversely by Christ will be
destroyed. (Zephaniah 1:18; 2 Thessalonians 1:6-10) This will include the destruction of the
worldwide political system, pictured in the Bible by a seven-headed wild beast.Revelation 19:19-
21.
Events after the great tribulation
Confinement of Satan and the demons. A great angel will hurl Satan and the demons into the
abyss, a symbol of deathlike inactivity. (Revelation 20:1-3) Satans condition in the abyss could be
likened to being in prison; he will be unable to influence affairs elsewhere.Revelation 20:7.

The Millennium begins. Gods Kingdom will begin its 1,000-year reign, which will bring great
blessings to mankind. (Revelation 5:9, 10; 20:4, 6) An unnumbered great crowd will come out of
the great tribulation, surviving it to see the start of the Millennium on earth.Revelation 7:9, 14;
Psalm 37:9-11.

^ par. 5 In the book of Revelation, false religion is symbolized as Babylon the Great, the great prostitute. (Revelation
17:1, 5) The scarlet-colored beast, which destroys Babylon the Great, is a symbol of the organization whose purpose is
to unite and represent the nations of the world. It first existed as the League of Nations and is now the United Nations.

Copyright 2016 Watch Tower Bible and Tract Society of Pennsylvania.

Source: https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/great-tribulation

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