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Calculate se ing of IDMT over Current Relay for following Feeder and CT Detail
Feeder Detail: Feeder Load Current 384 Amp, Feeder Fault current Min11KA and Max 22KA.
CT Detail: CT installed on feeder is 600/1 Amp. Relay Error 7.5%, CT Error 10.0%, CT over shoot 0.05 Sec, CT interrupting Time
is 0.17 Sec and Safety is 0.33 Sec.
IDMT Relay Detail:
IDMT Relay Low Current se ing: Over Load Current se ing is 125%, Plug se ing of Relay is 0.8 Amp and Time Delay (TMS) is
0.125 Sec, Relay Curve is selected as Normal Inverse Type.
IDMT Relay High Current se ing :Plug se ing of Relay is 2.5 Amp and Time Delay (TMS) is 0.100 Sec, Relay Curve is selected
as Normal Inverse Type

Calculation of Over Current Relay Setting:

(1) Low over Current Setting: (I>)

Over Load Current (In) = Feeder Load Current X Relay se ing = 384 X 125% =480 Amp
Required Over Load Relay Plug Se ing= Over Load Current (In) / CT Primary Current
Required Over Load Relay Plug Se ing = 480 / 600 = 0.8
Pick up Se ing of Over Current Relay (PMS) (I>)= CT Secondary Current X Relay Plug Se ing
Pick up Se ing of Over Current Relay (PMS) (I>)= 1 X 0.8 = 0.8 Amp
Plug Se ing Multiplier (PSM) = Min. Feeder Fault Current / (PMS X (CT Pri. Current / CT Sec. Current))
Plug Se ing Multiplier (PSM) = 11000 / (0.8 X (600 / 1)) = 22.92
Operation Time of Relay as per it’s Curve
Operating Time of Relay for Very Inverse Curve (t) =13.5 / ((PSM)-1).
Operating Time of Relay for Extreme Inverse Curve (t) =80/ ((PSM)2 -1).
Operating Time of Relay for Long Time Inverse Curve (t) =120 / ((PSM) -1).
Operating Time of Relay for Normal Inverse Curve (t) =0.14 / ((PSM) 0.02 -1).
Operating Time of Relay for Normal Inverse Curve (t)=0.14 / ( (22.92)0.02-1) = 2.17 Amp
Here Time Delay of Relay (TMS) is 0.125 Sec so
Actual operating Time of Relay (t>) = Operating Time of Relay X TMS =2.17 X 0.125 =0.271 Sec
Grading Time of Relay = [((2XRelay Error)+CT Error)XTMS]+ Over shoot+ CB Interrupting Time+ Safety
Total Grading Time of Relay=[((2X7.5)+10)X0.125]+0.05+0.17+0.33 = 0.58 Sec
Operating Time of Previous upstream Relay = Actual operating Time of Relay+ Total Grading Time Operating Time of
Previous up Stream Relay = 0.271 + 0.58 = 0.85 Sec

(2) High over Current Setting: (I>>)

Pick up Se ing of Over Current Relay (PMS) (I>>)= CT Secondary Current X Relay Plug Se ing
Pick up Se ing of Over Current Relay (PMS) (I>)= 1 X 2.5 = 2.5 Amp
Plug Se ing Multiplier (PSM) = Min. Feeder Fault Current / (PMS X (CT Pri. Current / CT Sec. Current))
Plug Se ing Multiplier (PSM) = 11000 / (2.5 X (600 / 1)) = 7.33

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Operation Time of Relay as per it’s Curve
Operating Time of Relay for Very Inverse Curve (t) =13.5 / ((PSM)-1).
Operating Time of Relay for Extreme Inverse Curve (t) =80/ ((PSM)2 -1).
Operating Time of Relay for Long Time Inverse Curve (t) =120 / ((PSM) -1).
Operating Time of Relay for Normal Inverse Curve (t) =0.14 / ((PSM) 0.02 -1).
Operating Time of Relay for Normal Inverse Curve (t)=0.14 / ( (7.33)0.02-1) = 3.44 Amp
Here Time Delay of Relay (TMS) is 0.100 Sec so
Actual operating Time of Relay (t>) = Operating Time of Relay X TMS =3.44 X 0.100 =0.34 Sec
Grading Time of Relay = [((2XRelay Error)+CT Error)XTMS]+ Over shoot+ CB Interrupting Time+ Safety
Total Grading Time of Relay=[((2X7.5)+10)X0.100]+0.05+0.17+0.33 = 0.58 Sec
Operating Time of Previous upstream Relay = Actual operating Time of Relay+ Total Grading Time.
Operating Time of Previous up Stream Relay = 0.34 + 0.58 = 0.85 Sec

Conclusion of Calculation:

Pickup Se ing of over current Relay (PMS) (I>) should be satisfied following Two Condition.
(1) Pickup Se ing of over current Relay (PMS)(I>) >= Over Load Current (In) / CT Primary Current
(2) TMS <= Minimum Fault Current / CT Primary Current
For Condition (1) 0.8 > =(480/600) = 0.8 >= 0.8, Which found OK
For Condition (2) 0.125 <= 11000/600 = 0.125 <= 18.33, Which found OK
Here Condition (1) and (2) are satisfied so
Pickup Se ing of Over Current Relay = OK
Low Over Current Relay Se ing: (I>) = 0.8A X In Amp
Actual operating Time of Relay (t>) = 0.271 Sec
High Over Current Relay Se ing: (I>>) = 2.5A X In Amp
Actual operating Time of Relay (t>>) = 0.34 Sec

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37 Responses to Calculate IDMT over Current Relay Setting (50/51)

elango.k says:
October 11, 2013 at 4:32 pm
Hello sir- what is the use of low over current(>i) se ing and high over current se ing(>>i),
sir i requesting you to post some notes on this topic
thankyou

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engelect says:
October 12, 2013 at 11:01 pm
dear elango,
Just sharing my knowledge, Always remember that we must limit ENERGY (thermal) of fault. Since it is energy it is always
consist of Power (P) which equal with current (I) and consist of t (time). low over current is to limit thermal withstand of
electrical equipment. Whereas high over current se ing is to limit short circuit withstand. short circuit withstand is not only
dealing with thermal but it is also dealing with electromagnetic force withstand of an electrical equipment, such as busbar,
bus duct, etc. Faster clearing big fault (it is dealing high current se ing) then we secure our structure of busbar/busduct to
prevent system catastrophic. Se ing high over current se ing shall be wise to distinguish between real short circuit and
starting current.

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elango.K says:
October 16, 2013 at 3:03 am
Hello sir,
I am not clear with this explanation, can you explain with some example.
thankyou

RAJASEKHAR says:
August 13, 2016 at 11:33 am
WHEN THE RELAY IS SET ON Low set , when fault current is marginally more than the full load current it will take more
time to trip the breaker like 750 msec

WHEN THE FAULT CURRENT goes 10 times , Fault should get cleared in 50 m sec to protect the EQUIPMENT

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elango.k says:
October 11, 2013 at 4:36 pm
Hello sir- what is the use of low over current(>i) se ing and high over current se ing(>>i),
sir i requesting you to post some notes on this topic
thankyou

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vilas says:
October 13, 2013 at 12:41 pm
DEAR SIR
CAN U PL GIVE EXAMPLE OF IDMT RELAY SETTING CALCULATION FOR 132/33 KV 25 MVA TF WITH ONE I/C & 3
FEEDERS OF 200 A EACH WITH RELAY SELECTION CURVE

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Naresh Kumar says:
October 24, 2013 at 11:29 am
Dear Sir,
What is the size of 3-core,11KV cable required for 1000 KVA, 11/.415 KV transformer.By simple calculation for HT side current of
52 AMP, 3 core, 25 SQ mm cable will suffice. But i have noticed that at some places 180 SQ. mm cable being used.Does HT cable
selection is related with fault level and HT cable at 11 kv should not be used less than 150 Sq. mm.

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Pl. provide your valuable comments on HT cable selection for transformers.
Thanks.
Naresh.

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Jignesh.Parmar says:
October 24, 2013 at 2:45 pm
For HT Cable one important criteria which need to be consider is Short circuit level.
Normally 11KV S.C level is 20 to 25KA at it varies according to Electricity provider company.. and normally 150 Sq.mm Cable
S.C falls in 17 to 20KA. For HT cable you have to consider S.C level of utility first than Current carry capacity of Cable.

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Naresh Kumar says:
October 25, 2013 at 9:57 am
Thanks.

nagendra mathur says:

November 5, 2013 at 11:03 am
Please let me know the details of selection of Neutral grounding resistance. What should be nGR value for a 20 MVA, 132/6.6 KV
Trnsformer, primary side fault 40 MVA for 1 sec

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Shakeel Ahmad says:
November 15, 2013 at 7:30 am
Dear Jignesh,

what is the best location of REF and SBEF CTs on Transformer side? i have 1000kVA Transformer and we are planning to mount
the CTs either in LV cable box, REF on 1C630 Neutral Cable and SBEF on 1C240 Earth Cable OR Below LV cable box in Enclosure.
Your suggestion please..

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elango.k says:
December 1, 2013 at 4:47 pm
Hello sir- what is the use of low over current(i>) se ing and high over current se ing(i>>i),
sir i requesting you to post some notes on this topic
thankyou

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kamlesh says:
December 17, 2013 at 8:51 am
why we can not maintain of power factor one. if we mantaitain 1 and above what is problem in transformer and power.

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EXP. ENG. Aqeel says:
November 26, 2015 at 6:27 am
Dear K. 1- It is impossible to make P.F = 1 because ( P.F= COSᵠ ) and -1 ≤ cosᵠ ≤1 .
2- To avoid over compensating and not to lead to advance P.F is be er to make it less or equal 1 ,it means always lagging .

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P.Koteswar Rao says:
December 30, 2013 at 12:06 pm
Dear Sir,
Please advice regarding df / dt relay minimum and maximum se ing details.
We are using ABB make, REF type relay for 11kv grid feeder.
We are going to synchronize 30MW,11kv DG with this grid breaker.
Power failure time, I wish to isolate grid feeder.
Please advice.

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Suraj Ram says:
January 2, 2014 at 10:03 am
sir can you please give an example how do understand it on breaker trip curve or Time current curve

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Prabakaran says:

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January 5, 2014 at 4:54 am
Sir, thank u for your notes on Normally inverse curve. By the same way plz give the formula for Extermly inverse curve.

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sartajalam says:
January 26, 2014 at 2:19 pm
sir,i need testing procedure of over current relay.

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jagdish ghogare says:
February 17, 2014 at 9:54 am
Dear parmar Sir can i get your phone number so that i can take some help from you

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Murali krishnan says:
February 25, 2014 at 4:19 pm
Dear Jignesh,

please advise where we can find the min fault level data.

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Rohaida says:
May 8, 2014 at 6:56 am
Dear Sir,
Your “Electrical Thumb Rules-(Part-8)” is referred.

The details: Feeder Fault current Min11KA and Max 22KA.

How can we calculate the Min Fault Current and Max Fault Current?

I’m working on Overcurrent relay se ing of Primary Transformer Protection (2000KVA with 6% impedance) with 200/5 CT ratio.

Can you guide me on how to calculate min & max fault current.

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Bernard Farrugia says:
December 2, 2014 at 10:37 am
Why in the standard IDMT td(I) calculation you haven’t divided by Beta i.e. by 2.97? as regulated by the IEC…

Thanks

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Prageesh says:
February 4, 2015 at 6:33 pm
Dear Sir,

In an excellent manner you have explain 50/51N relay se ing. Can you please guide to set the 87 relay for 110/33KV, 50MVA,
50Hz transformer.

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mukund harne says:
February 25, 2015 at 1:40 pm
The details provided are really very useful.

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Aamir Javaid Malik says:
April 25, 2015 at 9:54 am
Dear Sir,

In your example for ‘calculating se ing of IDMT over-current rely’ mentioned above, kindly guide me how would you prevent
relay tripping from transformer inrush current when feeder breaker is switched on. You may assume any capacity of transformer
installed in the outgoing feeder in above example.

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jegatheshwaran says:
May 11, 2015 at 4:38 pm

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Sir,
I would like to known how relay can be wiried and implemented and se ings and how its configured in relay panel.
And i had a doubt, this realy implementation and configuration and se ing are different from one another??????
If it’s different plz give the notes to get the idea about that please sir
Thank you…….

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Muthukumaran says:
May 21, 2015 at 8:55 am
operating time of low current operating time is higher than high current se ing

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Pradnya says:
July 11, 2015 at 6:46 pm
Respected sir,

For IDMT relay having CT ratio 300:1, load current 470A, maximum fault current is 2380A and minimum fault current is 720A,
then how to select upper and lower boundaries on TMS & Plug se ing of relay.

Kindly guide me sir, looking forward for your positive reply.

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kader says:
July 16, 2015 at 8:35 am
please clarify 0.14 / ( (7.33)0.02-1) = 3.44 Amp , how?

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Purvish shah says:
February 18, 2016 at 4:50 pm

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lamho66@yahoo.com.hk says:
April 25, 2016 at 10:50 am
Sir,
I would like to know why there are some differences between the theoretical operating time and the experimental one? Why is
that lower injection current with larger error?
Thank you!

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muneeb says:
May 29, 2016 at 10:39 am
Respected Sir,
please guide, the following values are given as above example, are these also to be calculated?

“””””””Time Delay (TMS) is 0.125 Sec, Relay Curve is selected as Normal Inverse Type.”””””

because they are just mentioned and used in calculation, but not calculated.

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shaistasonikhan7 says:
June 26, 2016 at 2:33 pm
Solve the problem:
The plug se ing of a negative sequence relay is 0.2A. The CT ratio is 5: 1. The minimum
value of line to line fault current for the operation of the relay is:

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Mohit krushna pradhan says:
June 26, 2016 at 3:40 pm
Sir please clear that,in Higher over current se ing calculation,how you have considered relay plug se ing is 2.5? and Please clear
how you considered TMS is 0.125 for low over current se ing?

Thanks & Regards

Mohit k Pradhan

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para says:
September 7, 2016 at 1:59 pm
Dear Sir,
i have I> relay se ing (IDMT)
300A 0,15 NI
What does it mean number 0,15 ?

Thank you in advance

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William says:
May 8, 2017 at 1:50 pm
Hi,
May I ask if the condition 2 should be (11000/600)=18.33>high set of 2.5 times instead of TMS? Thanks
Regards,
William

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Mahi says:
May 30, 2017 at 6:19 am
Thanks for sharing this article keep it up…

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