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Artur.Kosakowski

07-04-2013 06:36 AM

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josh.southall

07-04-2013 07:19 AM

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Artur.Kosakowski

07-04-2013 07:42 AM

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josh.southall

in reply to: Artur.Kosakowski

07-04-2013 07:51 AM

That looks all fine! So what can I do to get the verification points to show up for me !?

Thanks

Message 8 of 14

Artur.Kosakowski

07-04-2013 07:54 AM

My steps were:

3. Selection of both panels and their export to the RC Provided reinforcement module

If you find your post answered press the Accept as Solution button please. This will help

other users to find solutions much faster. Thank you.

Artur Kosakowski

Message 9 of 14

josh.southall

07-04-2013 08:14 AM

Re: Punching shear In the punching analysis for each verification point table, the following

values are presented.

Generalized design force defined in the Maximum punching force field for the

additional verification points or read from FEM calculation results for supports.

Critical circumference calculated on a base of code requirements.

Reinforcement, which includes the following.

o Reinforcement range from member center in both perpendicular directions L1

and L2.

o Circumference of reinforcement zone (if required).

o Total area of reinforcement.

o Number and diameter of bars calculated on the total area and settings for

punching.

Safety factor being a ratio of a maximum punching force and admissible punching

force.

Punching analysis results for individual points display in corresponding colors to the

calculation result.

Points that fulfill the conditions for punching and do not require reinforcement appear

blue.

Points that fulfill the conditions for punching and require reinforcement appear green.

Points that do not fulfill the condition for punching despite applying reinforcement

appear red.

The critical circumference is presented graphically on the Slabs - punching layout as a green

line around columns. The range of punching reinforcement is shown graphically in a final

drawing of a slab (formwork).

The dialog may include additional options depending on the selected code of RC structure

design.

ACI Code

When selected, the Type option is also available. Each support determines its position either

within slab, on slab edge or in slab corner. The support type is used during calculation of the

admissible punching force [ACI 318-99 11.12.2.2].

EC2 Code

When selected, the b option is also available. For each support, the parameter determines the

support position either within slab, on slab edge or in slab corner. A value of this parameter is

used during calculation of the punching force [ENV 1992-1-1 EC2 4.3.4.3].

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The shape of the critical area depends on the support geometry or support head, inclination

angle of the surface subjected to shearing, as well as the position with respect to slab edges

and corners. Shape and size of the critical area are stricly determined in the code, but for

every code calculations consist in determining the area subjected to action of a punching

force. In calculation of this, zone edges of slab and of openings are considered. The table

displays the length of the u critical circumference. Note that the effect of openings on the

length of the critical circumference is considered in the program.

A=u*d

where:

A - Critical area

This stage of calculations includes determining maximal values of puching force allowed by

the code or maximal stresses that can be carried by a concrete section. The limit (maximal)

force is a product of the critical area and stresses allowed by the code.

Qadm = τ * A

where:

τ - Admissible stress

A - Critical area.

Each of the codes determines the manner how a force or stress caused by external impact

should be received on the punching area. In the simplest case, calculations involve

multiplication of a punching force by an appropriate factor, whereas in the most complicated

ones, calculations of stresses considering acting moments are required. The table displays a

value of the Q calculation designing force, obtained from the formula.

Q=τ*A

τ=V/A

where:

β - The parameter determines position of the critical circumference with respect to the slab

edge (for EC2)

Mx, My, V - Bending moments and the force at the gravity center of the critical area

Jx, Jy - Inertia moments of the critical area with respect to axes passing through its gravity

center

11.12.2.2].

Check of the Load Capacity Condition

This consists in comparing stresses or forces caused by external impact with limit values.

There are three states possible.

If calculated stresses are smaller than admissible for a concrete section, reinforcement

is not required

If stresses are greater than admissible for a concrete section and simultaneously

smaller than admissible, reinforcement is required

If stresses are greater than admissible stresses, then the slab section is too small.

When reinforcement is not required or when a slab section is too small, results are presented

in a form of the maximal punching force (for calculations based on stresses, the force is

calculated from stresses multiplied by the punching area) and the ratio of admissible force to

equivalent acting force. If reinforcement is required, then calculations of the reinforcement

needed are carried out by the program.

If stresses are greater than those admissible for a concrete section and simultaneously smaller

than those admissible, then calculated punching reinforcement is necessary. Calculations are

carried out according to the code guidelines concerning bar reinforcement. Required

reinforcement area and range of a zone within which reinforcement is required are shown in

the table on the Punching tab. Also available are punching force (for calculations based on

stresses, the force is calculated from stresses multiplied by the punching area) and ratio of the

load capacity with reinforcement considered to the equivalent acting force. The range of

reinforcement zone is additionally presented in drawings. The table shows the following

parameters.

L1, L2 - Reinforcement range from the member center in both perpendicular directions.

A - Total reinforcement area that should be distributed evenly around the column within the

reinforcement zone determined by the lengths L1 and L2.

n x ϕ - Number and diameter of bars calculated on the basis of the total area and settings in

the options for punching.

Note: For British BS code, several reinforcement zones may be defined depending on the

requirements (reinforcement zones may overlap. Only that part of calculated bars is

distributed in successive zones, which remains after subtracting the bars belonging to the

previous zone.

Parent topic: Slabs - punching

How to obtain shear forces acting at the bottom of a wall in Robot

Structural Analysis

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Issue:

You’d like to obtain shear forces acting at the bottom of a wall.

Solution:

Use the reduced forces:

Right click in the table and select “Table column”.

Go to the tab “Cuts”.

Check only the check box for the bottom horizontal cut.

Click OK.

The shear force you’re looking for is located in the column “TRy”.

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mustafa-hesenow

952 Views, 5 Replies

01-03-2013 06:23 AM

Dear sir

Is the punhing shear verfication by checking the principal shear strees in maps gives the

same results of verfication punching by rc slab provided reinforcement .

regards

Message 2 of 6

Artur.Kosakowski

01-03-2013 11:22 PM

Re: Rc slab Punching verification (by maps and rc slab provided reinforcement )

These results are different mainly because the design code tells you how to determine the

critical perimeter whereas the stress is displayed in a selected position within a slab.

If you find your post answered press the Accept as Solution button please. This will help

other users to find solutions much faster. Thank you.

Artur Kosakowski

Message 3 of 6

mustafa-hesenow

01-06-2013 05:02 AM

Re: Rc slab Punching verification (by maps and rc slab provided reinforcement )

Dear sir

if we take the reading of shear stresses after check the reduced forces above columns support

at the same distance from the face of the column permitted in the code is this value from the

maps will be the same or closed to the value calculated in rc slab provided reinforcement in

the punching check .

the formula is ;

T= Q*S/B*I which is mean the the unbalanced moment which is going to the columns is

not considered .

But for the calculation of shear stresses in rc slab provided reinforcement whis is according

to the used code is ;

which is mean the unbalanced moment taken in consideration Of the shear stress as per code

parametes but didnt taken in consideration in the map result .

Message 4 of 6

Artur.Kosakowski

01-07-2013 12:46 AM

Re: Rc slab Punching verification (by maps and rc slab provided reinforcement )

The valued on the map are calculated based on the shear force only with no influence of

bending.

Artur Kosakowski

Message 5 of 6

MALEKANAM

03-07-2017 08:02 AM

Re: Rc slab Punching verification (by maps and rc slab provided reinforcement )

Why Mr Artur ?

Message 6 of 6

Artur.Kosakowski

03-07-2017 08:06 AM

Re: Rc slab Punching verification (by maps and rc slab provided reinforcement )

Because these maps are intended for shear rather than punching and are displayed on the

entire slab rather than over the supports only not mentioning the fact that given design code

may have different rules for calculations of actual punching force which is addressed in the

RC Slab Required reinforcement module.

If you find your post answered press the Accept as Solution button please. This will help

other users to find solutions much faster. Thank you.

list of available rebars?

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Issue:

How to modify reinforcement bar list (add new diameters or steel parameters) to be used in

the provided reinforcement modules?

Solution:

1. Open Reinforcement bars tab of Job Preferences

2. Press the "+" button to add the database you want to edit if not shown on the list

3. Select the database from the displayed list and press the Open button

4. Add or modify content of the displayed table

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nvgeirinhas

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12-09-2012 11:21 AM

Hello,

I have discovered that when I change the diameter of reinforcement bars on slabs, the area of

the minimum reinforcement change.

Is this correct? Because I am using the EC2 code, and the expression of the minimun

reinforcement doesn't change with the bar diameter. I think this doesn't make sense

Best regards

Nuno Geirinhas

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Message 2 of 2

Artur.Kosakowski

12-10-2012 12:21 AM

As far as I remember the code also defines the maximal spacing among rebars. This si what

changes the area of the minimal reinforcement too.

If you find your post answered press the Accept as Solution button please. This will help

other users to find solutions much faster. Thank you.

Punching

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Nissar59

357 Views, 9 Replies

09-25-2017 12:39 AM

Punching

Hi!

Solved by Nissar59. Go to Solution.

Message 2 of 10

mustafahesenow

09-25-2017 01:38 AM

Re: Punching

Hi @Nissar59

Its normal as the other one by provided reinforcement module (punching ) or by checking of

shear stress map manually

Mustafa Hesenow

Senior Structural Design Engineer/MZP

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MarekZiecina1253

09-27-2017 02:40 AM

Re: Punching

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Nissar59

09-28-2017 06:45 AM

Robot Structural Analysis 2018 Analysis & Design of punching shear reinforcement

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjRnZ7XQbXM

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MarekZiecina1253

09-28-2017 08:20 AM

Re: Robot Structural Analysis 2018 Analysis & Design of punching shear reinf

Refaat

in reply to: Refaat

12-11-2012 01:27 AM

Dear Sir

I got confused , how did the ROBOT calculate the following requirements using (ACI318-

08M & Euro code 2).

Punching perimeter.

Admissible punching force by the used code .

My queries are shown on the attached captures (ROBOT results). also, ROBOT files(both

codes) are attached.

As well , I made verification to my hand calculation by (SAFE software) for the same

example.

I found out that ROBOT gives different results for above requirements.

Please , Could you take a look to the attached captures and files for both (ROBOT&SAFE) ,

and verify this topic?

http://www.2shared.com/file/hieICxV2/Captures__Files.html

Note : please , if you want to use captures for explanation . Kindly, send it as attached.

Thanks in advance

Refaat .

Message 3 of 7

Artur.Kosakowski

in reply to: Refaat

12-11-2012 01:43 AM

Refaat,

We need some time to investigate this. For EC2 at first glance it seems that Robot checks two

variants of the critical perimeter (full circle and the one shown on the pictures you attached

and selects the most unfavorable one.

Artur Kosakowski

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I tried to attach the model, but it is too large, even without results, so there is a yousendit link

here: https://www.yousendit.com/download/WFJXWUhnUzhTRTdOUjhUQw

Thanks

Message 2 of 14

Artur.Kosakowski

07-04-2013 12:33 AM

shear spreadsheet from "The concrete center", in your screenshot you have two cases,

punching shear design for "edge" and "reen

Hi,

I have two different moment values I can work with for concrete design. Detailed Mxx Myy

Mxy, or Complex top/bottom x/y moments.

As you can see in my attached model - I have heavier values when I choose the W&A option

vs the Detailed Mxx and Myy. Please advise what would be best used to approximate the

values for concrete moments? And if the material was steel?

Thanks!

Shanta.

Solved by Artur.Kosakowski. Go to Solution.

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complex

detailed

maps

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sminglana

in reply to: sminglana

05-13-2016 03:55 PM

Also, another question I forgot to ask, would it be advisable to add a rigid link from my 18"

slab to the 12" wall? I notice high concentrations of moments where there's a large variation

in thickness at the interfaces. Same model as the first post.

Thanks.

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Message 3 of 6

Artur.Kosakowski

in reply to: sminglana

05-16-2016 01:11 AM

Please advise what would be best used to approximate the values for concrete moments?

The W and A moments include the influence of Mxy moments and they should be used for

bidirectional slabs.

Then IMHO you should check the values of von Mises stresses instead.

If you find your post answered press the Accept as Solution button please. This will help

other users to find solutions much faster. Thank you.

Artur Kosakowski

Message 4 of 6

Artur.Kosakowski

in reply to: sminglana

05-16-2016 01:23 AM

You need to be careful with selected direction (should be the same for all the panels you

display results for) and settings for smoothing.

If you find your post answered press the Accept as Solution button please. This will help

other users to find solutions much faster. Thank you.

Artur Kosakowski

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sminglana

in reply to: Artur.Kosakowski

05-16-2016 09:23 AM

Thanks Artur. I wasn't too sure if I were to keep all panel directions the same. Reason for that

is - I have radial bars and hoop bars being used in the thickened edges - whick transitions to

grid patterns for the rebar over the inside panels and roof slab for easier installation.

Would the moment values based on same panel direction still be okay regardless of the rebar

layout? Thanks.

Message 6 of 6

Artur.Kosakowski

in reply to: sminglana

05-16-2016 11:40 PM

My point is that looking at the results you should project them on the same directions when

you look at the edge of the two panels so that you compare the same kind of values. The

projection of the results is (can be set and changed at any time without the need of re-

calculation of a model) indepedent(ly) of the directions of the local X axes of panels (which

you may want to set in the way it is easier for you ta apply loads) and their directions of the

main reinforcement (which follows your intended rebar distribution).

If you find your post answered press the Accept as Solution button please. This will help

other users to find solutions much faster. Thank you.

How to interpret moment on panel map result??

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lincannotbe

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08-20-2014 08:25 AM

Hi!

I've attached two images: one with hand calculation of getting the maximum bending moment

on the slab (DDM) and one with my robot model.

I simply don't know how to interpret the map or cut result of slab.

I've done lot of steel design using robot, but not much on panel design. However, I believe

my model is correct.

I am currently trying to prove my office that robot can be used to design slab, but I failed to

convince them because I didn't know how to interpret the result.

I believe the maximum bending moment must be at least similar to the one by hand

calculation.

trant" corners.

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MarekZiecina1253

09-29-2017 08:01 AM

Re: Robot Structural Analysis 2018 Analysis & Design of punching shear reinf

Message 8 of 10

me1205377

09-30-2017 12:55 PM

Re: Robot Structural Analysis 2018 Analysis & Design of punching shear reinf

I got confused , how did the ROBOT calculate the following requirements using ACI318-

08M

Punching perimeter.

Artur Kosakowski

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Refaat

in reply to: Artur.Kosakowski

12-12-2012 03:41 AM

61. It is not clear where are presented seismic forces from ESP casing to ESP supporting

structure? Vertical reactions represent only weight of the structure at top of the columns.

Additional vertical reactions shall be calculated due to moments that will develop from

seismic action on ESP casing. Additional horizontal forces shall be calculated due to seismic

actions to ESP casing and applied to appropriate supports.

Page 62. As ESP supporting structure supports are close to each other, it is necessary to

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stress in soil between all of the column foundation. Soil deformation shall be also

considered in the 3d model, as foundation settlements even if they have similar stress will

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