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the types of opportunities most people can only dream of. They tend to work in
careers because it takes their fancy or it’s expected of them traditionally by the
family, and they are placed strategically in order to keep power in the ‘right’
hands (i.e. of those who have always run the show), but if they chose not to work
they could still afford the lifestyle they are accustomed to. They socialise with
the rich and famous and arty types, the big thinkers, movers and shakers. They
buy art, jewellery, etc., to invest their money because if hard times came about
(like war) and the economy went to shit there’s more value in gems, etc., than
there is in cash. They rarely redecorate because most pieces of their furniture is
a family heirloom. Their house is probably a family heirloom, so they go and buy
a swanky city apartment so they can decorate it as they want. The upper classes
come from a long history of interbreeding as a way to keep wealth within the
family, and so tend to marry within their own echelon.

The Upper Middle Class are the next rung down — generally, families who have
made enough money to be well-connected, provide the most prestigious
education and live a pretty nice lifestyle. Or, they have traditional military
histories and might even be able to trace their family tree to the royals
somewhere along the line, but it’s now so diluted to be almost irrelevant. They’ll
likely also be business people — bankers, employers. These are the people who
can afford to go to the places the upper class go to, in education and social
events (polo, Ascot, etc.) or are connected to them through mutual family
military history. They act pretty much like the upper class, but aren’t. They
might even be a lot less wealthy, but their family connections keep them aligned
with the big influencers. These people will inherit, too, but at more varying
degrees than the rung above them. They will have married both into the
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into the working classes. (there’s also the Lower Upper Class, but you didn’t ask
about them).

These two classes above tend to vote conservative because they want to
‘conserve’ their wealth and don’t believe in sharing it with the rest of society.

The two (or three) classes above tend to live in a bubble that the rest of us
cannot and will not ever access, either in financial scope or mental scope —
if a working class person somehow made it into the upper circles they
would never understand the culture of never worrying about having zilch;
The upper classes tend not to be able to conceive that there are people in
Britain who live in poverty. It’s not something they ever see in their circles
so therefore it doesn’t exist, even register. (This is obviously not applicable
to all: plenty of upper class people also do charity work, etc.)

The Middle Class — These are people who are wealthy enough to take an
expensive holiday each year, have nice things and still afford to pay the
household bills without any/too much stress. They tend to have a good
education that their parents worked hard to provide for them in a well-paid job,
such as accountancy or medical, and they can likely expect to have some kind of
inheritance, though not at the dizzying heights of the upper classes. They still
need to work to pay the mortgage and could potentially be in a precarious
position if the wrong economic circumstances came about. They will have
influence limited to their peers but are not connected to high flyers other than
their company boss or uni professor, etc., generally speaking. Though, if they
met a high flyer they would likely do their best to cosy up so they can put it on
Facebook. This is the group who feel they have the most to prove and are the
most susceptible to what other people think. They advocate speaking politely
and having good manners. Brits aren’t really a boastful nation — we can’t stand
show-offs — but this class will filter their affluence through status symbols to
show they are doing well. This is also the most likely class to push for more
action to help those with less than them. This class marry whomever they wish,
regarding class status.

This class are swing voters and are the group the politicians try to manipulate on
their side - many will vote Conservative because they’ve worked hard for what
they’ve got and don’t see why they should give it away. Often they will be small
to medium business owners who couldn’t afford to shoulder too much
regulatory interference. The Conservatives (who’s cabinets are always mostly
from the Upper Class) use fear of affecting their profits and taking chunks of
their lifestyle away to bring in their votes. But this group are also very likely to
vote Labour because many people have families from working class
backgrounds during the 20th century or have connections to classes less well-off
than them and want to see those classes do better for themselves, so they are
also persuaded by the argument of people before profit and tend to vote by
taking in the arguments presented by all parties. They are not tribal, which is
what the upper classes and working classes tend to be and will vote in
accordance to tribe as oppose to policy (although this voting culture has been
turned on its head since the Brexit referendum). The middle class is probably
the most mixed bag

As I say, class isn’t defined by money alone, but most often these class groups
are accompanied with the financial statuses I’ve profiled above. Of course,
nowadays any class can become super-rich, so you would find plenty of
examples where working class people have made fortunes just as much as upper
class people have lost fortunes. There are also many new classes springing up in
between the
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beginning to blur the lines between the traditional classes. My answers above
are just a general guideline.

Basically, it’s all to do with blood and influence. As money tends to buy
influence, it makes sense it often goes hand-in-hand with the upper classes who
have inherited money through the family line for centuries.
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Jake Williams
Answered Sep 18, 2017 · Upvoted by Aran Singh Deo, lives in The United Kingdom (1999-
present)

Lower working class: you have a TV from the 90s because that's all you can
afford.

Middle working class: you have a really big and nice TV because you can afford
it, but it takes up half your living room because you can't afford the house to go
around it.

Upper working class: you have four TVs, one of which is in your rather
spacious living room, the rest in your bedrooms.

Lower middle class: you have a TV. It's hidden by a cabinet for when company
comes around. It's outnumbered by bookshelves.

Middle middle class: you have two TVs, neither in your living room. One is in
the room you most likely refer to as ‘the den’ if you have children or ‘the cinema
room’ if you don't, the other is black and white, 10 inches across, and you have it
in your kitchen, mostly for display.

Upper middle class: TVs are vulgar, you would never dream of owning such a
thing, you read The Times instead.

Lower upper class: you have no need for a TV because you barely leave the golf
club anyway, besides, TVs are a bad investment that depreciate quickly in value.

Middle upper class: of course you have a TV, they aren't vulgar because you say
so, and because you say so your favourite show will be on earlier tonight. It feels
good to be in charge.

Upper upper class: you appear on TV once a year, at Christmas, to give your
speech.
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Chris Monk, Boringly middle class - sort of

Updated May 25

This is my take on the dividing lines.

Firstly, some preliminary points. Everything I say assumes the people I'm
talking about are established adults aged between 30 and 50ish, as the young
inherit their starting class from their parents and wealth (as opposed to class)
begins to affect behaviour as people age (so a person in their 70s might be
middle class but have a lot of upper-middle habits they have developed over the
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past couple of decades). Secondly, other than the upper class, which is tiny and
fairly definable, all the other divisions are more to do with mind-set than
anything you can see, define, or measure - so the real definition of the class
divide is the same as the much abused one for pornography - 'I know it when I
see it'. Nevertheless, I have had a go.

Upper Class:

Did any of your great-grandparents hold an inherited title?

Does anyone descended from your grandparents own an asset valued at

more than £500,000 (about $750,000) which has been in the family for
more than three lifetimes?

If you can answer one of these questions with a yes, you are probably upper
class. If both are yeses, it's almost certain.

Upper-Middle Class:
Do you or your wife/husband have a job requiring a professional
qualification which pays enough to afford to send at least one child to a
private school?

Do you own or exclusively manage a successful long-standing

independent business employing more than five people not related to
you?

Do you have strong views about what areas of life it is worth paying for
quality in and what areas it is not (for example regularly buying both
supermarket value range cheese and cheese from very expensive
specialist shops)?

Do you feel that some things are vulgar and disapprove of people
buying them even if they don't harm you and the people buying them
can easily afford them?

When you name your children, do you refuse to consider any name that
is 'too popular'?

Do you care what certain other people think of you, but not care about
what everyone else thinks (and is the dividing line based on social
status not on whether you like them)?

Are the books in your house significantly heavier than the electronic
devices?

Is almost everyone you know under the age of 50 university educated?

If most of the answers are yes, you probably fit in here.

Middle Class:

Could you own a home within commutable distance of your job if you
wanted to (even if that meant moving out London and getting the train
in every day)?

Do you care what others think about you even if you don't know them?
Are foreign holidays something you do most years, with trips across an
ocean more than a once in a lifetime occurrence?

Does your job either involve thinking and going to meetings where you
are expected to contribute, or making 'artisanal' things to sell to people
much richer than you, o are you a teacher?

Do you shop in Waitrose?

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Is most of your food shopping branded rather than supermarket own

brand?

Do you want to be middle class?

If you answer yes to most of these, you are probably middle class.
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Peter Flow, lives in Great Britain

Answered Sep 18, 2017

No answers yet address the multitude of new ‘classes’ springing up in the UK

over the last 25 years.

To find out which you may belong to and answer your questions fully (explore
the links), check here: The Great British class calculator

Britain's new social classes

Elite: Most privileged group, set apart from other classes because of
wealth. Highest scoring economically, socially and culturally

Established middle class: Largest class group and second wealthiest.

Also score high culturally and socially

Technical middle class: Small distinct group that aren't so social but
have money and are into emerging culture such as gaming, the internet
and rock music

New affluent workers: A young group, socially and culturally active

with middling levels of income

Traditional working class: Score low economically, socially and

culturally but have reasonably high house values and oldest average age

Emergent service workers: New young urban group who don't have
much money but are very social and cultural. They "live for today"

Precariat: Poorest, most deprived class who score low economically,

socially and culturally
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Orrla Munro, lives in Great Britain (2008-present)

Updated Nov 17, 2017

I was interviewing a working class woman once, who was a student at University
in her 40s. She told me that only her husband knows that she is studying
because if she told anyone else they would think she betrayed them.

University education is big NO NO among working classes. At least, it has been.

My elderly neighbor calls me ‘brainy girl’, by the way.

As to pastimes, for example, all walking groups are at the side of town where
middle-classes live. They shop at Wairtose. There, in pubs, you can watch Rugby
Union matches when they are on.

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On other side of town, in pubs, you can only watch football. No one goes on any
walks - most go to pubs, clubs, night outs, drink … and some yell and vomit a lot
at night.

Upper classes go to Vietnam for holidays, or Belize… or whatever is perceived

‘cool’ and ‘upper-class’ now days.. hardly anyone knows really what they are up
to as no research was ever conducted on this group. So, it’s secret!

Now, writing this, I remembered about how one day in not so distant past I was
discussing ‘female poverty’ at Uni. That doctor I talked to, each time I was
referring to ‘poor women’, was steering me onto deprived areas where poor
working classes live research.. And, only on my way home I clicked that, there
must be something about the language.

So I called my middle-class friend and asked : ‘How do you call a middle class
woman without money?’. ‘Lady without means to live on’ he answered.

Because, you see, middle-class people are never ever ever ‘poor’!

Answering the question - divisions are ingrained in language as well!

History says that, divisions within middle-class came from the Imperial era - to
service vast Empire, various professions were designed - and appropriate people
recruited… almost exclusively men. .. surprise surprise!

Lawyers, accountants, managers…

By the way, no woman could be employed by any of them. Later, when they
grew, and when they decided that they want some help with all mundane tasks,
like secretarial, etc., they employed few but they always requested written
permissions from male ‘head of households’- for employing their daughters,
sisters or wives… until 1970s apparently!

Hence, because it did not pay off for most families to pay for their female
offspring’ education, most British women were, say, left out… and quite a few are
in poverty now. It was from that that status of ‘motherhood’ that grew. Middle-
class women rarely went out to work, instead they married and bore children
while looking after house. They were predominantly house-wives - some done
well, but not all, and such women are still called ‘ladies with little means to live
on’. They sneer at working class poor.

Within male professional groups hierarchical differences grew and grew.

That’s how it came to divisions within middle-classes - into upper, middle, and
lower - all according to acquired throughout theirs members’ career wealth.

Empire gone now, it is all about managerial class.

And again, it depends on if one is a CEO of HSBS Bank or a local cleaning

company…

.. and where it is where they keep their wealth!

.. Virgin Islands or high street bank or .. under their mattress.

Hope it helps!
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Barney Lane, lives in Reading, England
Updated Sep 21, 2017

Class is a tricky subject in Britain. Personally, I don’t think it exists. Huh, I hear
you say?

Allow me to explain. Class is held to be a quite specific form of identity. Identity

is the collection of characteristics that you use to self-identify, you. It is context
specific.

I’m white, male, educated, straight, cis-gender, reasonably well off. How many of
those things do I regard as my identity? Here in the UK, none of them. I’m one of
a crowd. I don’t think much about my race, my gender, my… whatever. I’m just,
you know, me.

Now, I lived in Hong Kong for two years and immediately, I realised my identity
was distinct. My race for starters. If I was in a room, I would subconsciously scan
my surroundings for another white person.

If you’re in a minority, you become more conscious of your identity. Some guys
come round to clean my windows every so often. Some would say they belong to
a different “class”. These chaps are white, male, cis, straight (I know because I’ve
chatted with them). Unlike me, they are not highly educated, nor is their
economic background comparable.

If class existed, I’d immediately see these guys as having a different identity to
me, but I don’t. Do they see it that way? Haven’t asked them, but I doubt it. They
don’t seem to. We’re all just blokes.

Basically, I have no concept of class that’s relevant in any way, to my life. Maybe
others do, I can’t say. But we can only comment on what we see and experience.

My grandmother had a concept of class. To her, people of her class didn’t vote
Labour. For her, class identity was (partly) defined by politics.

My mother has a concept of class. Recently, she asked (about someone I’d just
spoken to on the phone), “what, ahem, sort of voice culture did he have?” I
replied “you’re asking me that because you want to know his class, aren’t you”.
She replied. “Well, yes I suppose I am”. I replied “I just hate that”. She said “I
know you do”.

My mother’s sense of class identity is centred around speech (which is probably

taken to be a sign of education).

(As an interesting aside, I had never heard my father make a single class
reference until quite recently, when he described Jacob Rees Mogg as a “toff”).

These concepts of class have pretty much gone. I’m in my 40s. To me, class is a
dirty word. People tell me I’m “upper middle class”. Bollocks, I say. I’ve no idea
what you’re talking about. My mother is in her 70s and my grandmother passed
away two weeks ago in her 100th year. It’s an inter-generational divide.

It’s a sign of how times have changed.

References to class in public dialogue, do still exist. Members of the Labour

party often refer to it. One can put that down to the fact that a belief in the class
structure is important to their electoral strategy.

And also, you hear class being talked about with reference to the aristocracy. I’d
say that’s pretty much irrelevant though, as they’re a trivially small number of
people.
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Kimberley Lear
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James Pick, Born here, didn't come back till I was 17 but it's home
Answered Sep 20, 2016

The line is extremely wonky and increasingly blurred.

Best place to start is 1914 when Britain had emerged from the Victorian era and
post industrialisation with a very clear class divide between working, middle
and upper. The upper class consisted of two groups, unequal in size. Old money
and old titles and newer money and newer titles - people who made their
fortunes from trade and industry over the previous 100 years.

The Great War produced a real problem - most of the scions of the upper class
got themselves killed on the Western Front leaving families with titles and
daughters but no money. This was solved by marrying daughters off to sons of
new wave industrialists - the families that had "had a good war" selling boots
and bully beef to the War Office thus ensuring that estates and families survived.
Equally many of these newly rich industrial families found themselves with
titles granted in recognition of selling boots and bully beef to the War Office
during the War.

Fast forward to 1939 - 1945 where the crippling cost of war on every level further
denuded the upper class and even worse was to come; the loss of the Empire
without compensation. This was of course offset by newly rich industrialists
marrying into the upper class and so by the time we roll into the 60's we still
have 3 very clear social groups - working, middle and upper.

More social upheaval - no war this time but the effects of the post war boom and
welfare state are revolutionary. There is now a definite upper middle class - they
hold well paid jobs and privately educate their children alongside those of the
upper class many of whom are now what the banks call "asset rich but cash
poor". This continues until the 90's where we see a sudden wealth explosion
driven by the City and related markets which brings us to the rather peculiar
position we have today:

Almost everyone is middle class by any economic measure save a definite and
growing underclass. Everyone you think is upper class is upper middle class
except the Queen and a handful of very old titles - and it is a handful; you don't
have to look very far back in a lot of titles to find someone who owned a chain of
butchers shops or made gloves. People my Grandmother referred to as "trade".

If you look at the cast of Made in Chelsea you will see what I mean - they are all
largely a generation or two away from being middle class. The wife of our next
but one King is as middle class as they come - it's a reflection of a modern
Britain.

People confuse wealth with class and people who have money confuse it with
social station. As much as they hate it we are all middle class now; chips need to
be brushed off shoulders and high horses need to be dismounted
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Think of these groups as ‘tribes’ rather than classes: in the UK, social class has
little to do with how much money you earn and more to do with your social
capital - this is your social network. You show membership of those networks by
embracing different value systems, which may determine your choice of job but
also your aesthetic preferences, cultural habits etc.

The middle class is a very all-encompassing phrase in the UK, and will mean
different things to different people.

the middle-middle class lack the social capital to get the more
prestigious postings in a world where established networks matter.
They have white collar jobs, and maybe even professional jobs, but if
they are accountants or solicitors, they belong to provincial firms.
These people live, work and socialise within their local community; live
comfortable lives with good holidays; follow fashion in clothing and
interior decoration; read the traditional media; watch the main
television channels. They will identify as middle-class

The upper-class has enormous social capital: they are likely to know
scions of industry and landed gentry, but also architects, gardeners,
artists, thinkers, people from lots of different parts of the country and
all over the world. This gives them a much wider range of opportunities
in life. These people will not limit themselves to the professions, and if
they have enough money to de-risk their lives, they can be
entrepreneurial. Although they will be aware of the judgement of their
peers, they do not need to impress the rest of society and they have a
large enough network to find companions in more niche activities, so
their choices in lifestyle, fashion, interior decoration, cultural activities,
can be much more niche. The rules of this tribe dictate that you must
not shout about your status in front of non-group members, so in public
they may self-identify as (upper*) middle class, but in private they may
use the term ‘middle-class’ as a disparaging term for people or things that
they find overly populist.

The upper-middle class are caught between these two groups and do
not want to be mistaken for either, and in particular they do not want to
be dismissed as populist by the upper-class, but nor do they want to
stand accused of aping the upper-class. Some members of the upper-
middle class follow very strict social rules which will quietly announce
their exact status to people closest enough to them in status to matter:
they attend the right universities, chose the right professions (and have
enough network to get into the prestigious professions and close the
doors to outsiders), they take holidays in the right places, drive the right
cars, decorate their houses the right way etc.
Other members of the upper-middle classes are unable to follow these
rules or choose to reject them in favour of other rules, so self-define in
other ways, for example academics rank by intelligence; bankers rank
by promotions and money ‘points’; followers of alternative lifestyles
rank by credibility. Whatever set of rules they follow, they will be
defined in contrast to the lifestyle choices of the middle-middle class.
These people will avoid using the term middle class, and if used amongst
themselves, it will be understood that what is meant is the (upper*)
middle class. Buying quinoa from Waitrose is ‘so (upper*) middle class’.

* The ‘upper’ is silent. This is one of the rules of the upper-middle class that help
insiders identify interlopers and outsiders
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The British upper middle class in your description sounds pretty much identical to the…

Ross Wilson, Director

Answered Sep 23, 2017

Social mobility and equality, the mass production of high standard goods and
access to a decent education has really confused the old class system.

Comedians joke that if you know what balsamic vinegar is then it means you're
middle class. In fact there's a lot of running jokes that infer you are middle class
by what products you buy. Other definitions state that you must have gone to
university to be considered middle class. Then there's the middle classes people
talk about in politics which is generally anyone not on benifits and earns under
100k a year. So it's a real mess.

We shouldn't forget either that many British comedians are actually from
prestigious universities and who had a hell of a leg up. Ironically when they joke
about knowing what balsamic vinigar is they're being honest but referring to the
old middle class system but people laugh because they feel guilty for being
middle class in their eyes which is really working class by the comedians
background and his historical perspective of middle class.

Complicated much?

Then there is snobbery. It’s actually quite a good way to figure out if someone is
working class by their definition of snob. Working class people think cultured
people are snobs. But actually a snob is someone who prizes knowledge and
material goods only because they indicate status. Snobs want to be seen to be of
higher class and so buy and do things so they can be seen as a high class and
look down at others. Its silly because you can be aristocracy and drive a crap car
and live on baked beans and you still a higher class than an actual snob. People
who enjoy museums and wine aren't actually snobs.

What's even sillier is if you own you're own business and pull in 200k a year then
you can still be working class if you think a snob is someone who goes to
museums and knows what wine they like, even though that working class
person would have at some point been to a museum and enjoyed an expensive
glass of wine. That's okay because they never learned anything at the museum
and the wine is just one good one the like and buy in bulk.

So here's an example of my class line: My friends think I'm upper middle, half
my family think I'm working class, the other half that I'm a snob, my colleagues
think I'm middle and those I know who have immigrated here think I'm upper.
Where I live you see what I would call traditional middle class but to many look
like upper middle. We shop at a lower middle supermarket that is full of middle
class shoppers, and go to middle upper class restaurants for dinner as much as
we go to working class establishments where we often see people from all
classes.

Like time is in physics, class is relative.

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