3512 Throttle Position Error 91-8

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Media Number -KENR5404-04 Publication Date -01/09/2013 Date Updated -26/09/2013
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Speed Control - Test

SMCS - 1915-038; 7332-038-VF
System Operation Description:
Use this procedure to troubleshoot the electrical system if a problem is suspected with the throttle
position sensor or if the diagnostic code in Table 1 is active or easily repeated.
Table 1
Diagnostic Codes Table
Code and
Conditions which Generate this Code System Response
Description
91-8 Throttle
Position Sensor The Electronic Control Module (ECM) The code is logged. The
abnormal detects an incorrect frequency on the throttle ECM flags the throttle
frequency, pulse signal or an incorrect duty cycle on the position as invalid data and
width, or period throttle signal. The frequency is below 150 Hz a default value of zero
or the frequency in above 1000 Hz. The duty percent is used. The engine
1249-8 Secondary cycle is less than 5 percent or the duty cycle is speed is limited to low idle.
Throttle Position greater than 95 percent.
signal abnormal
Terminal BN on the customer connector provides the primary throttle signal to the engine's ECM.
Terminal BM on the customer connector provides the secondary throttle signal to the engine's ECM.
The throttle signal should be a 500 Hz constant frequency signal with a pulse width that varies with
the throttle signal. This output signal is referred to as a Pulse Width Modulated signal (PWM).
The throttle signal's duty cycle should be between 5 percent to 10 percent at low idle and 90 percent
to 95 percent at high idle. The percent duty cycle is translated in the ECM into the throttle position of
0 percent to 100 percent.
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Illustration 1 g01328300
Typical example
Throttle Position Versus PWM Input
Terminal locations for the following connectors P-C2/A-C91 Connector for the power distribution panel, A-C2/J-C2 RH
rigid harness connectors and C-C2/J-C1 LH rigid harness connectors.
(Terminal L) +Battery to local speed control
Terminal locations for the C-C17/F-C1 LH rigid harness connectors and the connectors G-C6/F-C2 for a LH Control
panel
(Terminal 16) +Battery to local speed control
Terminal locations for the TB-C1/C-C18 customer connector
(Terminal BM) Local speed control
(Terminal BN) Customer's speed control
Connector locations
(1) A-C1/E-C2 RH rigid harness connectors
(2) A-C2/J-C2 RH rigid harness connectors
(3) P-C1/A-C90 Connectors for the power distribution panel
(4) P-C2/A-C91 Connectors for the power distribution panel
(5) G-C6/F-C2/F-C1/A-C92 Connectors for a RH Control panel
(6) C-C22 Primary ECM connector P2
(7) C-C15 Primary ECM connector P1
(8) C-C28 Secondary ECM connector P2
(9) C-C29 Secondary ECM connector P1
(10) G-C6/F-C2/F-C1/C-C17 Connectors for a LH Control panel
(11) C-C18/TB-C1 Customer connectors
(12) C-C2/J-C1 LH rigid harness connectors
(13) C-C1/E-C1 LH rigid harness connectors
Test Step 1. Inspect the Electrical Connectors and the Wiring
A. Turn the Engine Control Switch (ECS) to the OFF/RESET position.
B. Thoroughly inspect the ECM connectors J1/P1 and J2/P2. Inspect the wiring and the
connectors that are associated with the circuit. Refer to Troubleshooting, "Electrical
Connectors - Inspect" for details.
C. Perform a 45 N (10 lb) pull test on each of the wires in the ECM connectors that are associated
with the circuit.
D. Check the ECM connector (allen head screw) for the proper torque. Refer to Troubleshooting,
"Electrical Connectors - Inspect" for details.
E. Check the harness and wiring for abrasion and for pinch points from the sensors back to the
ECM.
Expected Result:
All connectors, pins, and sockets are completely coupled and/or inserted, and the harness and wiring
are free of corrosion, of abrasion or of pinch points.
Results:
• OK - The connectors and wiring are OK. Proceed to Test Step 2.
• Not OK - The connectors and/or wiring need repair.
Repair: Repair the connectors or wiring and/or replace the connectors or wiring.
STOP
Test Step 2. Check the Throttle Position on Caterpillar Electronic Technician (ET)
A. Connect Cat ET to the service tool connector.
B. Turn the ECS to the STOP position.
C. Observe the position of the throttle on Cat ET.
D. Adjust the speed control to the lowest setting.
E. Start at the lowest position. Slowly adjust the speed control to the highest setting. Monitor the
position of the throttle on Cat ET.
Expected Result:
The throttle position on Cat ET is 0 percent at the lowest setting and 0 to 100 percent as the speed
control is adjusted to the highest setting.
Results:
• OK - The speed control is operating correctly.
Repair: There may be an intermittent problem. If the problem is intermittent, refer to

Troubleshooting, "Electrical Connectors - Inspect" for details on inspecting wiring and
connectors.
STOP
• Not OK - The throttle position on Cat ET does not change correctly. If you are troubleshooting
either the primary speed control or the secondary speed control from the customer, proceed to
Test Step 3. If you are troubleshooting the local speed control on the instrument panel, proceed
to Test Step 5.
Test Step 3. Check the Signal Frequency and the Duty Cycle at the Customer Connector
A. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.
B. Remove the wire for the throttle signal from the customer's connector. Refer to Illustration 1
for the schematic of the circuit.
C. Turn the ECS to the STOP position.
D. Measure the frequency and the duty cycle of the throttle signal. Adjust the speed control from
the lowest position to the highest position.
E. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.
F. Replace all connectors and wires.
Expected Result:
The duty cycle is between 5 to 95 percent. The frequency reading is approximately 500 Hz.
Results:
• OK - The duty cycle and the frequency are correct. Proceed to Test Step 4.
• Not OK - The duty cycle reading is not correct or the frequency is not correct. The throttle
position signal is not reaching the ECM.
Repair: Check the signal from the customer's connector to the customer's speed control.
STOP
Test Step 4. Check the Duty Cycle at the ECM Connector
Note: If you are troubleshooting the primary throttle signal, the primary throttle signal goes to the P1
connector of both the primary ECM and the secondary ECM. If you are troubleshooting the
secondary throttle signal, the secondary throttle signal goes to the P2 connector of both the primary
ECM and the secondary ECM.
B. Remove the appropriate ECM connector from the primary ECM. Remove the throttle signal
wire from the ECM connector. Refer to Illustration 1 for the schematic of the circuit.
C. Remove the appropriate ECM connector from the secondary ECM. Remove the throttle signal
wire from the ECM connector. Refer to Illustration 1 for the schematic of the circuit.
D. Reconnect the ECM connectors.
E. Set the multimeter to "VDC". Press the "Hz" button twice so that the % symbol is displayed.
F. Place the red probe of the multimeter on wire that was removed from the ECM connector.
Place the black probe of the multimeter on the −Battery terminal.
G. Turn the ECS to the STOP position.
H. Measure the percent duty cycle of the throttle signal. Move the speed control from the lowest
setting to the highest setting.
I. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.
J. Replace all connectors and wires.
Expected Result:
The duty cycle is 5 to 10 percent at the lowest setting. The duty cycle is 90 to 95 percent at the
highest setting.
Results:
• OK - The duty cycle and the throttle signal are correct.
Repair: Temporarily replace the ECM and perform the test again. If the problem is resolved,
the ECM is faulty. Permanently replace the ECM. Refer to Troubleshooting, "ECM - Replace".
STOP
• Not OK - The duty cycle reading is not correct. The throttle signal is not reaching the ECM.
Repair: Repair the wire between the ECM connector and the customer connector.
STOP
Test Step 5. Check the Supply Voltage to the Local Speed Control
A. Turn the ECS to the STOP position.
B. Connect the red probe of the digital multimeter to the +B terminal of the local speed control.
Connect the black probe of the digital multimeter to the −B terminal of the local speed control.
C. Measure the voltage across the terminals of the local speed control.
Expected Result:
The voltage is 24 ± 3 VDC.
Results:
• OK - The voltage is 24 ± 3 VDC. The local speed control is receiving the correct voltage.
Proceed to Test Step 7.
• Not OK - The voltage is not 24 ± 3 VDC. Verify that the wire CA998 has continuity to a
digital reference. The local speed control is not receiving the correct voltage. Proceed to Test
Step 6.
Test Step 6. Check the Voltage to the Local Speed Control at the Rigid Harness
B. Remove wire C150 from terminal L of connector P-C2 of the rigid harness.
C. Connect the red probe of the digital multimeter to wire C150. Connect the black probe of the
digital multimeter to the −Battery. Refer to Illustration 6 in order to locate the various
connectors on the rigid harness.
D. Turn the ECS to the STOP position.
E. Monitor the voltage on the digital multimeter.
F. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.
Expected Result:
The voltage measures 24 ± 3 VDC.
Results:
• OK - The voltage measures 24 ± 3 VDC.
Repair: Check for 24 ± 3 VDC on wire C150 at diode D9 in the control panel. If voltage is not
present on wire C150 at diode D9, repair the wire C150 between diode D9 and terminal L of
connector P-C2 of the rigid harness. The following connectors are between connector P-C2 and
connector G-C6 of the marine power display panel. The terminal locations for wire C150 are
listed with the connectors.Left hand control panel
◦ P-C2/A-C91 Terminal L Connectors for the power distribution panel
◦ A-C2/J-C2 Terminal L RH rigid harness connectors
◦ J-J1/C-C2 Terminal L LH rigid harness connectors
◦ G-C6/F-C2/F-C1/C-C17 Terminal 16 Connectors for a LH Control panel
Right hand control panel
◦ P-C2/A-C91 Terminal L Connectors for the power distribution panel
◦ G-C6/F-C2/F-C1/A-C92 Terminal 16 Connectors for a RH Control panel
Refer to Illustration 6 in order to locate the various connectors on the rigid harness.
STOP
• Not OK - The voltage does not measure 24 ± 3 VDC.
Repair: Verify that the breaker for the primary ECM is not tripped. Check for 24 ± 3 VDC on
terminal 87A at the normally closed contact of relay "R2A". Relay R2A is located in the power
distribution panel. Verify that the normally closed contact of relay "R2A" is operating
correctly.If voltage is present on terminal 87A at the normally closed contact of relay "R2A",
repair the wire C150 between the contacts of relay "R2A" and terminal L of connector P-C2 of
the rigid harness.If 24 ± 3 VDC is present on wire C150 at diode D9, verify that voltage is
present on wire M150 at diode D9. If 24 ± 3 VDC is not present on wire M150 at diode D9,
replace the diode D9.If 24 ± 3 VDC is present at the diode D9 on wire M150, repair the wire
M150 between the diode D9 and the local speed control.
STOP
Test Step 7. Check the Signal Frequency and the Duty Cycle Of the Local Speed Control
B. Remove the wire 389 from the S terminal at the local speed control.
C. Turn the ECS to the STOP position.
D. Measure the frequency and the duty cycle between terminal S of the local speed control and
engine ground. Adjust the local speed control from the lowest setting to the highest setting.
E. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.
F. Reconnect the wire 389 to the S terminal at the local speed control.
Expected Result:
The duty cycle is between 10 to 90 percent. The frequency reading is approximately 500 Hz.
Results:
• OK - The local speed control is supplying the correct signal. Proceed to Test Step 8.
• Not OK - The duty cycle or the frequency is not correct on the multimeter.
Repair: Temporarily install another speed control. Verify that the problem is no longer
present. Reinstall the old speed control. If the problem returns, replace the local speed control.
STOP
Test Step 8. Check the Duty Cycle at the ECM Connector
Note: If you are troubleshooting the local speed control, the local speed control goes to the P2
connector of both the primary ECM and the secondary ECM.
B. Remove the ECM connector P2 from the primary ECM. Remove the wire 389 from ECM
connector P2-68.
C. Remove the ECM connector P2 from the secondary ECM. Remove the wire 389 from ECM
connector P2-68.
D. Reconnect the ECM connectors.
E. Turn the ECS to the STOP position.
F. Measure the percent duty cycle of the throttle signal on wire 389. Move the throttle from LOW
idle position to HIGH idle position.
G. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.
H. Replace all connectors and wires.
Expected Result:
The duty cycle is 5 to 10 percent at the low idle stop. The duty cycle is 90 to 95 percent at the high
idle stop.
Results:
• OK - The duty cycle and throttle position readings are correct.
Repair: Temporarily replace the ECM and perform the test again. If the problem is resolved,
the ECM is faulty. Permanently replace the ECM. Refer to Troubleshooting, "ECM - Replace".
STOP
• Not OK - The duty cycle reading is not correct. The throttle position signal is not reaching the
ECM.
Repair: The signal is lost between the S terminal of the local speed control and the ECM.
Repair the wire 389 between the local speed control and the ECM.
STOP
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3512C Marine Engine PXF00001-UP(SEBP6634 - 01) - Documentation Page 1 of 13

Product: MARINE ENGINE

Speed Control - Test

System Operation Description:

Throttle Position Versus PWM Input

(Terminal L) +Battery to local speed control

(Terminal 16) +Battery to local speed control

Terminal locations for the TB-C1/C-C18 customer connector

(Terminal BM) Local speed control

(Terminal BN) Customer's speed control

(1) A-C1/E-C2 RH rigid harness connectors

(2) A-C2/J-C2 RH rigid harness connectors

(3) P-C1/A-C90 Connectors for the power distribution panel

(4) P-C2/A-C91 Connectors for the power distribution panel

(5) G-C6/F-C2/F-C1/A-C92 Connectors for a RH Control panel

(6) C-C22 Primary ECM connector P2

(7) C-C15 Primary ECM connector P1

(8) C-C28 Secondary ECM connector P2

(9) C-C29 Secondary ECM connector P1

(10) G-C6/F-C2/F-C1/C-C17 Connectors for a LH Control panel

(11) C-C18/TB-C1 Customer connectors

(12) C-C2/J-C1 LH rigid harness connectors

(13) C-C1/E-C1 LH rigid harness connectors

Test Step 1. Inspect the Electrical Connectors and the Wiring

A. Turn the Engine Control Switch (ECS) to the OFF/RESET position.

• OK - The connectors and wiring are OK. Proceed to Test Step 2.

• Not OK - The connectors and/or wiring need repair.

A. Connect Cat ET to the service tool connector.

B. Turn the ECS to the STOP position.

C. Observe the position of the throttle on Cat ET.

D. Adjust the speed control to the lowest setting.

• OK - The speed control is operating correctly.

Repair: There may be an intermittent problem. If the problem is intermittent, refer to

A. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.

C. Turn the ECS to the STOP position.

E. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.

F. Replace all connectors and wires.

Test Step 4. Check the Duty Cycle at the ECM Connector

A. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.

D. Reconnect the ECM connectors.

G. Turn the ECS to the STOP position.

I. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.

J. Replace all connectors and wires.

• OK - The duty cycle and the throttle signal are correct.

A. Turn the ECS to the STOP position.

The voltage is 24 ± 3 VDC.

A. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.

D. Turn the ECS to the STOP position.

E. Monitor the voltage on the digital multimeter.

F. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.

The voltage measures 24 ± 3 VDC.

• OK - The voltage measures 24 ± 3 VDC.

◦ P-C2/A-C91 Terminal L Connectors for the power distribution panel

◦ A-C2/J-C2 Terminal L RH rigid harness connectors

◦ J-J1/C-C2 Terminal L LH rigid harness connectors

◦ G-C6/F-C2/F-C1/C-C17 Terminal 16 Connectors for a LH Control panel

Right hand control panel

◦ P-C2/A-C91 Terminal L Connectors for the power distribution panel

◦ G-C6/F-C2/F-C1/A-C92 Terminal 16 Connectors for a RH Control panel

• Not OK - The voltage does not measure 24 ± 3 VDC.

A. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.

C. Turn the ECS to the STOP position.

E. Turn the ECS to the OFF/RESET position.

Test Step 8. Check the Duty Cycle at the ECM Connector