https://s3.amazonaws.com/LaonaHoldMusic/LAONAWEBrevised.pdf ]
Thanks to the several member volunteers for keeping these records in tact/accurate, and
compiling them into a complete whole – so that members – new or old - know what has already
been already tried and tested. And of course the narratives are good for history. One can choose
to look at the events in terms of the proverbial half-full glass(for optimists) or half empty glass
(for pessimists)- or both ways-, but like it or not, time will prove that there are so many lessons
to learn from these past events.
Many words of wisdom and hidden patterns are embedded in the texts that everyone can learn
from, ranging from unparalleled pieces of advice such as “nying pire tek mito gwoka aber” by
Amego Dorothy (Fri, Dec 28, 2012), to “8am is 8am not 1pm” by Charles O (July 25, 2013)- to
“Let us not allow the popular saying that, ‘Yika Alango Pe Moko’. Lets make a difference and
show our critics that we are capable of establishing an Association/ Organization that will stand
the test of time and last for generations impacting and benefiting many.”- D Ogwang(May 25,
2013). Other outstanding pieces of advice originating from the members themselves, included,
“We should also not look at the sector in a limited way; teachers and parents are very important
if we want sustainable education improvement. I hope some of our contributions in the end will
also be intellectual (they are the most sustainable)”- Odyek (Fri, Jan 18, 2013) - to mention but
only a few. Other great words characterizing civil interventions in times of crises included, “I
think that the Secretary General made her call based on what she believed was one of the tools
she had in her arsenal to make decisions. In the absence of voting guidelines for this
organization it was a tough spot to be in.” - F Ocen (Feb 5, 2013 ) - not forgetting the famous
“truth is painful but useful and it must come to pass, but lies one have to lie many times to cover
the first lie!”- B. Odero (Oct 17, 2013 ). Other words of wisdom came in form of analyses [ Or
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Accurate record keeping is the first step towards building a community knowledge base- so we
can move forward instead of [mostly new] members going back to what was already tackled for
lack of an established knowledge base. We are living in an information age, and we have to
endeavor to make sure we have accurate records - and those facts must add up…
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1. Note 1: Correction: In the length of time calculation, if h is the number of hours and
M the TOTAL length of time in minutes, then, in all the cases in this document, the
correct h will be recomputed as abs(M/60)%24 where % is the modulo operator,
and abs is the absolute value function
TABLE OF CONTENTS
Contents
Document revision history..........................................................................................................................4
Some important notes.................................................................................................................................5
In the beginning…......................................................................................................................................12
THE MAJOR EVENT PRECEDING THE “PATH” TO FORMATION OF LAONA.............................................12
DECEMBER 2012........................................................................................................................................13
Initial ideas started pouring in...............................................................................................................13
Some 2012 Christmas Greetings….........................................................................................................14
...............................................................................................................................................................21
Yet another similar initial idea...............................................................................................................22
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Personal Conflicts? “Distressful Anomaly” Who started?......................................................................31
...............................................................................................................................................................33
.................................................................................................................................................................. 39
JANUARY 2013...........................................................................................................................................39
Form separate USA Association, and let Canadians, Mexican Lango form theirs Separately, or create
only one for the entire North America?................................................................................................45
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...............................................................................................................................................................56
Special Announcement..........................................................................................................................60
...............................................................................................................................................................61
A different topic – Correct Lango Language Usage and Scholarly debate: Also widely known as the
“(In)famous Wikipedia Debate”.............................................................................................................63
...............................................................................................................................................................86
“Reconcile or Court?” A Reaction to a call to some “warring parties” to reconcile amicably................87
First survey … and Survey Test results...................................................................................................93
The first talk of draft constitution..........................................................................................................96
Survey 1 + Response to email backlog.................................................................................................117
Draft constitution talk resumes...........................................................................................................123
Interim Executive Committee created.................................................................................................125
Survey 2...............................................................................................................................................127
New volunteer: Florence Ocen… starts helping with survey 2.............................................................128
.............................................................................................................................................................129
Survey 2 Results...................................................................................................................................130
Interlude…music..................................................................................................................................131
Another similar interlude…..................................................................................................................132
Interim committee work continues.....................................................................................................137
Interim Committee continues to buid with new additions…...............................................................143
Inside the Interim Committee…...........................................................................................................144
.............................................................................................................................................................149
Resignation from Interim Committee?................................................................................................150
Meanwhile … Survey administration continues…................................................................................152
Positions, titles, professions of prospective members…......................................................................155
A call to reserve higher positions for elders…......................................................................................164
I just work in the US… Do I qualify as a Lango in Diaspora?.................................................................167
”Being a Lango by origin cannot be denied”, Odyek says....................................................................169
.............................................................................................................................................................171
Interim General Secretary …................................................................................................................172
.............................................................................................................................................................174
Response to a new volunteer (Florence …).........................................................................................175
.............................................................................................................................................................176
Survey results announced by Secretary General…...............................................................................176
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.............................................................................................................................................................187
Inside the Interim Committee: The Origin of the Junk Folder Story…..................................................187
The genesis of Florence versus Edisa? Battle of the “Administrative” Stuff? Caesar Ogole as the straw
man?....................................................................................................................................................192
Constitutional draft work continues....................................................................................................196
.............................................................................................................................................................218
Member list update.............................................................................................................................219
Composition of Interim Executive Team..............................................................................................223
.............................................................................................................................................................237
An advertisement to help sick people?...............................................................................................237
Survey 3...............................................................................................................................................246
................................................................................................................................................................ 253
FEBRUARY 2013.......................................................................................................................................253
Lango Asssociation of North America Survey 3 Results Summary.......................................................257
Disgreement over ties in Survey 3: Chanting of Robert’s Rules...........................................................262
Trying moments: Condolence to Hon Ambassador…...........................................................................293
Interim Executive Committee Secretary General Resigns....................................................................328
Way Forward after Secretary General’s Resignation?.........................................................................352
Task Force Facilitator Election Results.................................................................................................378
Task Force Committee.........................................................................................................................385
................................................................................................................................................................ 407
MARCH 2013...........................................................................................................................................407
Pressure for Progress Report?.............................................................................................................411
.............................................................................................................................................................415
(Para-?)Legal Advice on Constitution...................................................................................................415
Duties and Responsibilities of LAONA’s Facilitator Task Force............................................................419
New Volunteer Alex Atim joins Task Force..........................................................................................421
Choosing location of inaugural city......................................................................................................428
.............................................................................................................................................................436
Choosing Logo.....................................................................................................................................436
Need for Letterhead?..........................................................................................................................466
INCORPORATION OF LAONA: CO-SIGNATORIES..................................................................................469
Logo for software…..............................................................................................................................473
INCORPORATION OF LAONA CONTINUES….........................................................................................474
Meanwhile, some one-on-one request for software progress............................................................502
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Reaction 7:...........................................................................................................................................648
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Reaction 8:...........................................................................................................................................650
JUNE 2013...............................................................................................................................................653
.............................................................................................................................................................655
LAONA Website Development Process................................................................................................656
LAONA Website Announcement and chanting of ‘rewards in heaven’................................................661
A typical snippet of propaganda..........................................................................................................677
SOON AFTER INAUGURATION.............................................................................................................680
Board of Directors takes over from Task Force Committee.................................................................680
A copy of Ianugural Key note speech...................................................................................................680
.............................................................................................................................................................681
“Submit your best photos”, say Chair Board of Directors....................................................................681
A live selfi.............................................................................................................................................683
Sample Inaugural Picture: For real or an emotional manipulation strategy to obscure rational thinking?
.............................................................................................................................................................684
Request to have name retracted from speech (at least removed from the Web)...............................689
................................................................................................................................................................ 704
JULY 2013................................................................................................................................................704
The (in)famous Gomesi debate and fallacies.......................................................................................704
“Outrageous fortune 1”: Imat Model publicises her picture published in Austin Statesman- Sheer
coincidence, or a distraction to objective debate (that is, to obscure rational thinking from [or given
the heated and tilted] ongoing debate) or taking advantage for other personal benefits?................732
Runway Underground promotes diversity in Austin fashion scene.....................................................732
2. “Outrageous fortune”: Millionaire’s stuff - - Sheer coincidence, or a distraction to objective
debate(that is, to obscure rational thinking from [or given the heated and tilted] ongoing debate) or
taking advantage for other personal benefits?....................................................................................734
Discussion on cultural attire continues… from the Gomesi thread......................................................735
In the middle of the extended Gomesi debate… Request for web page update: for serious?............748
................................................................................................................................................................ 752
Meanwhile, from 18th July- there was an overlap of one-on-one behind-the-scene discussions........752
AUGUST 2013..........................................................................................................................................766
Ben resigns from the Board.................................................................................................................766
Discussion on cultural attire continues… from the Gomesi thread......................................................781
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...........................................................................................................................................................1117
The lone entry/submission of [an attempt to solve to] the Paranoimos riddle.................................1118
USA Thanksgiving Reading: Indepedendent Analysis of LAONA Progress..........................................1119
DECEMBER 2013....................................................................................................................................1135
Bank account scandal: Episode 4.......................................................................................................1135
Bank account scandal: Episode 4 – continues....................................................................................1180
Also happening: “Misguidance – deliberate or not?”- Ben asks.......................................................1192
Meanwhile …. Sanctity of Constitution and Right to Amend Constitutional......................................1204
...........................................................................................................................................................1212
Do the Silent Majority Really Care? Or is ours“Enlightened Despotism”- for sure? Or Astroturf policing
...........................................................................................................................................................1213
Bank Account Scandal: Others join the conversation either because they have finally understood
what’s going on, or because they have seen that the prospects of “the other side” are sinking.......1226
Repeating an action (in this case resending same email message) three times… an example of Lango
Cultural belief!...................................................................................................................................1233
Acel….................................................................................................................................................1234
Aryo…................................................................................................................................................1235
...........................................................................................................................................................1236
Adek… kwer coo !...........................................................................................................................1236
Meanwhile…the Chair Appoints Hudson Ayo Chair of the Research and Development Committee. 1256
Ben asks key questions on the role of the Research and Development Committee in a non-profit
organizations.....................................................................................................................................1257
...........................................................................................................................................................1259
Back to the question of “believer’s action” to transfer account from the Missouri single-signatory to
TD Bank.............................................................................................................................................1259
...........................................................................................................................................................1263
Back to the question of the role of Research and Development Committee in a non-profit: Is the
answer convincing enough?..............................................................................................................1263
Christmas Greetings – with a symbolic “cornered rooster”?.............................................................1265
Meanwhile, the debate between Patrick and the Chair rages on…...................................................1270
Sarah on show-offs............................................................................................................................1275
Accurate record keeping and facts that add up and disguised preemptions: “words exchanged through
the year 2013”...................................................................................................................................1278
Older versions of the document........................................................................................................1286
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In the beginning…
THE MAJOR EVENT PRECEDING THE “PATH” TO FORMATION OF LAONA
---------- Original message ----------
From: Rehema Apio <rehemaapio@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2012 at 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: Repot me Limu a Won Nyaci-Won Deo Americas
To: abduogwang5222@comcast.net, eloggwal@yahoo.com, owotc@yahoo.com, mokwir@hotmail.com,
silverajal2002@yahoo.com, annaayaa@yahoo.com, lilron5@hotmail.com, pitopius@yahoo.co.uk,
tazalia@hyperoffice.com, djstar09@gmail.com, morrisotm005@yahoo.com, opito.tom@gmail.com,
atinpaco@hotmail.com, opio@unbc.ca, jyamokolo@yahoo.com, uayorech@yahoo.ca,
annam@ugandaembassyus.org, dogwang@ugandaembassyus.org, somara@ugandaembassyus.org,
atyang@interlog.com, mildred.omara@yahoo.com, mlagulu@hotmail.com, atimalex@hotmail.com,
margaret.ekwan@yahoo.com, olingb@yahoo.com, ogwaln@hotmail.com, gakallo@gmail.com,
edisa1@gmail.com, gymsmile@aol.com, mamaelder9@gmail.com, uckema@gmail.com,
apiorehema@yahoo.com, oagona@hotmail.com, zadam5@hotmail.com, opyene@yahoo.com,
jackoyugi@verizon.net, bmwacha@hotmail.com, omara44@mchsi.com, votyang@att.net,
violetf_okello@hotmail.com, mogwal444@hotmail.com, zubco2@gmail.com, makulloogwal@yahoo.com,
crcf1@yahoo.com, bmwacha@outlook.com, rehemaapio@gmail.com, cogole@gmail.com
Akaka iryonget ame obin otute me yiko-yika me jolo Papo wa Adit Won
Deo-Won Nyaci kede minista mere. Atye kede yomcwiny adit me titi wu ni
yika naca obin otum apwot.
Dong wan oyiko repot amako weno a Papo wa kede Minista mere
Note en Teko.
Imat Rehema
ATTACHED REPORT
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Or: https://s3.amazonaws.com/LaonaHoldMusic/PeerReviewedREPORTONTHEVISITLAST.doc
The difference (length of time) between dates 2012/11/10 at hour 16 and 2012/12/20 at
hour 8 is: 40 day(s), 16 hours.0 minutes. Or total(M) of 58560 minutes
DECEMBER 2012
Initial ideas started pouring in
---------- Original message ----------
From: Benjamin Wacha <bmwacha@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 8:55 AM
Subject: Lango Association USA
To: Adbu Ogwang <abduogwang5222@comcast.net>, Odyero Ogwal <odyero.ogwal@gmail.com>, N
Ogwal <ogwaln@hotmail.com>, Mike Ogwal <mogwal444@hotmail.com>, E Ogwal
<eloggwal@yahoo.com>, Mike Odongo <mmodongo@infocom.co.ug>, Julius Odwe
<juliusodwe@yahoo.com>, Charles Ogole <cogole@gmail.com>, Joel Odongo
<joelodongo10@yahoo.com>, Betty Odero <crcf1@yahoo.com>, Eddie Ococ <eddieococ@yahoo.co.uk>,
Margaret Lagulu <mlagulu@hotmail.com>, Ejon Jagwa <jagwa-ejon@uj.ac.za>, "Dr. Engola"
<mamaelder9@gmail.com>, Margaret Ekwan <margaret.ekwan@yahoo.com>, Robert Egwea
<roletjim@yahoo.com>, Tom Bumba <tazalia@hyperoffice.com>, William Boto
<wboto@ochanalliance.org>, Anna Ayaa <annaayaa@yahoo.com>, Atyang <atyang@interlog.com>,
Alex Atim <atimalex@hotmail.com>, Fanta Lilian Atim <lfanta@hotmail.com>, Judith Atala
<judyatala@yahoo.com>, Rehema Apio <apiorehema@yahoo.com>, Dorothy Amego
<amegodorothy@gmail.com>, Rita Akena <ritaakena@hotmail.com>, G Akallo <gakallo@gmail.com>,
Silver Ajal <silverajal2002@yahoo.com>, Odyek Agona <oagona@hotmail.com>, Z Adam
<zadam5@hotmail.com>, Opige Ogwang <ogwang929@hotmail.com>, S Okech <sgokech@gmail.com>,
B Okello <bitokelo@gmail.com>, Robert Okello <okello_robert@yahoo.com>, Ogwal Okeng
<jogwal.okeng@gmail.com>, Collins Oku-Oleng <okuoleng1@bigpond.com>, M Okwir
<mokwir@hotmail.com>, B Oling <olingb@yahoo.com>, Mildred Omara <mildred.omara@yahoo.com>,
Thomas Omara <omara44@mchsi.com>, Richard Omedi <omedirich@langoassociation.co.uk>, Mike
Onapa <m.onapa@uncst.go.ug>, Tom Opio <opito.tom@gmail.com>, Opyene <opyene@yahoo.com>, U
Orech <uayorech@yahoo.ca>, Maxwell Otim <maxwell_otim@yahoo.com>, Tony Otoa
<tonyotoa@gmail.com>, W Otyer <wotiyer@yahoo.com>, Charles Owot <owotc@yahoo.com>, Jack
Oyugi <jackoyugi@verizon.net>, Pius Pito <pitopius@yahoo.co.uk>, Justin Yamokolo
<jyamokolo@yahoo.com>
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I am sorry if I missed anyone, but please feel free to share this e-mail with any concern Lango.
Apwoyo.
An Imat Betty
The difference (length of time) between dates 2012/12/20 at hour 8 and 2012/12/20 at
hour 10 is: 0 day(s), 1 hours.36 minutes. Or total(M) of 96 minutes
Thanks,
Ogwang
The difference (length of time) between dates 2012/12/20 at hour 10 and 2012/12/24 at
hour 0 is: 3 day(s), 26 hours.14 minutes. Or total(M) of 5174 minutes
<annam@ugandaembassyus.org>, "dogwang@ugandaembassyus.org"
<dogwang@ugandaembassyus.org>, "somara@ugandaembassyus.org"
<somara@ugandaembassyus.org>, "atyang@interlog.com" <atyang@interlog.com>,
"mildred.omara@yahoo.com" <mildred.omara@yahoo.com>, "mlagulu@hotmail.com"
<mlagulu@hotmail.com>, "atimalex@hotmail.com" <atimalex@hotmail.com>,
"margaret.ekwan@yahoo.com" <margaret.ekwan@yahoo.com>, "olingb@yahoo.com"
<olingb@yahoo.com>, "ogwaln@hotmail.com" <ogwaln@hotmail.com>,
"gakallo@gmail.com" <gakallo@gmail.com>, "edisa1@gmail.com"
<edisa1@gmail.com>, "gymsmile@aol.com" <gymsmile@aol.com>,
"mamaelder9@gmail.com" <mamaelder9@gmail.com>, "uckema@gmail.com"
<uckema@gmail.com>, "apiorehema@yahoo.com" <apiorehema@yahoo.com>,
"oagona@hotmail.com" <oagona@hotmail.com>, "zadam5@hotmail.com"
<zadam5@hotmail.com>, "opyene@yahoo.com" <opyene@yahoo.com>,
"jackoyugi@verizon.net" <jackoyugi@verizon.net>, "bmwacha@hotmail.com"
<bmwacha@hotmail.com>, "omara44@mchsi.com" <omara44@mchsi.com>,
"votyang@att.net" <votyang@att.net>, "violetf_okello@hotmail.com"
<violetf_okello@hotmail.com>, "mogwal444@hotmail.com"
<mogwal444@hotmail.com>, "zubco2@gmail.com" <zubco2@gmail.com>,
"makulloogwal@yahoo.com" <makulloogwal@yahoo.com>, "crcf1@yahoo.com"
<crcf1@yahoo.com>, "bmwacha@outlook.com" <bmwacha@outlook.com>,
"rehemaapio@gmail.com" <rehemaapio@gmail.com>, "cogole@gmail.com"
<cogole@gmail.com>, "rosehelly@yahoo.com" <rosehelly@yahoo.com>,
"thomasazalia25@yahoo.com" <thomasazalia25@yahoo.com>
Kede mar adit, amoto wun ducu, eka ate pwoyo Rwot Obanga pe gwoko wan ducu, dang dok me
miyo wa mot me kwo kede yot-kom tunu kede inino atin.
May I take this opportunity to wish a Merry Christmas and a Happy and Prosperous New Year
2013.
In addition, let us pray that the Lord God may continue to protect and bless us according to His
will in glory.
The difference (length of time) between dates 2012/12/24 at hour 0 and 2012/12/24 at
hour 2 is: 0 day(s), 1 hours.19 minutes. Or total(M) of 79 minutes
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What a pleasant and mature X-mas message from you, Imat Rehema Apio, for all. If
only we Langi appreciated the blessed Will of the Lord as you have shown, to love each
other and promote each other's well being, we would certainly go a long, long way in
prosperity, peace and happiness irrespective of our adversaries.
I suddenly feel less lonely now going into this New X-mas after reading your heart-
warming note.
Merry X-mas to you as well and to all brothers and sisters listed here.
PS. We should dream of eating malakwang ame otedo iyi gulu acel iyi mwaka 2013.
Why not?
Williaam
Baltimore
The difference (length of time) between dates 2012/12/24 at hour 2 and 2012/12/24 at
hour 11 is: 0 day(s), 9 hours.21 minutes. Or total(M) of 561 minutes
Omego William,
Yin itingo kop me lwongo Rehema ni "IMAT". Rehema dang peru otunu mwaka 50,
yin dong ibatu en oko con acona ni Imat? Stop it. Rehema obedo "Amego". Man pak
anyen ame omio anyira/mon wa me Lango ikare man. Co/awobe dang opako ni
"Omego".
Makatal:
Dong me miyi pe mede kede bal man, otangi oko dyegi 3. Dong yin yikere me kelo
dyegi magi imwaka abino i cokere wa (iyi Amerika kan) ame bino bedo ioro me
mwaka 2013.
Jojok amalo. Mot paco dang alegu wu mwaka aber, dang ikatu wuno imwaka anyen
kede yot kom.
Ogwal
Illinois.
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2012/12/24 at hour 11 and 2012/12/27 at
hour 11 is: 2 day(s), 11 hours.39 minutes. Or total(M) of 4299 minutes
Apwoyo uno
Imat Rehema
The difference (length of time) between dates 2012/12/27 at hour 11 and 2012/12/28 at
hour 2 is: 0 day(s), 15 hours.7 minutes. Or total(M) of 907 minutes
Kop me rwate i skype onyo tele conference kong wek pi anyim. Myero kong ongeye
wunu iwang iwang.
Program me rwate tye amane:
1. Rwate namba acel bino bedo turwa kan i Springfield, Illinois. Man bino lokere
every year.
2. Akwayo jo ducu ame nyingi tye ibalo ni me cwalo kop man bot omemba me Langi
lung ame tye i America kede Canada. Plorere wok, me moyo jo me "Kaka (clan) gi"
ote cwalo at least 3-5 members from their clan to attend the meeting.
3. Reason: LA USA/CANADA will comprise of at least 2-3 clan members from each
of the Lango Clans represented in N. America
4. Nino dwe me rwate: Atamo ni jo myero bin rwate i tum adwe me adek (March 30,
2013). Man tere ni myero ibin wuno Friday March 29, meeting te bedo i March
30th, jo te ket i Sunday March 31st 2013.
5. Amio wu kare alac me yikere. Dong ngatoro pe kok ni pe omio ngec botgi con.
6. Wan ducu otye itic. Dong ngatoro pe mi excuse ni en tic odie oko. Peny adwong
tici me mi weo pi nino adek ame aketo malo nu, wek ibin ikel tammi bot lwak.
7. A draft constitution will be circulated on time for review. It will be made available
to all the members who will respond to this mail and will indicate interest and
intent to attend the meeting.
8. Details of the agenda will be sent to you during the last two weeks of March, 2013.
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9. Important Notice: Man pe cokere me cung iwi bye (politiks), onyo me cwako
patti moro. Ka ngat amito promoting patti mere, onyo atel me patti gi, en wot tim
manono paco. Man iryonget me kelo ngec iyi akina wa wan Langi ame otye ooko tu
tim, kede dok me yenyo yore apapat pi konyere kenwa, kede dok me konyo jo
ipcao.
10. Man lwongo ame kwako wan Lango me N. Amerika kiken. Pe ngaotoro ting
waraga man te cwalo bot group onyo dano moro okene ame pe kede interest wa
calo (UPCnet, Acholinet, UAH, Bugandanet, Tesonet, Karamojanet, Uganda gov,
Uganda parliament, etc.). Ento iromo fowarding bot Langi okene ame tye i N.
Amerika kan.
Apwoyo,
An kede gen,
Dr. Mike Ogwal (Okello Ajoka)
Springfield, IL
The difference (length of time) between dates 2012/12/28 at hour 2 and 2012/12/28 at
hour 11 is: 0 day(s), 9 hours.47 minutes. Or total(M) of 587 minutes
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Blank page
This blank page is used to depict that the next contribution is from a [new] member, who has only
partial knowledge or no prior knowledge (at all) of “common knowledge” of every major development
that [had] occured before this date. This assumption is sound unless the new member can prove it
otherwise. The first impression thus counts. [“Every major development before this date”, in this
context, means from November 2012.].
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Adwong,
Atye i kop adek atitino. Me acel, apwoyo cwalo waraga man. An abino bino i rwatte man tek ka Obanga
omede igwoko wa aber. Me aryo, akwayi ni i yub nyinga; an nyinga Caesar Ogole, NOT Charles Ogole kit
ame ocoyo kede ite email address na.
Me agiki,... I would like to share with everyone who may be interested some literature(books) about
Lango which I just recently stumbled on:
1. "Elders, Shades, and Women: Ceremonial Change in Lango, Uganda" , published in 1973.
http://www.ucpress.edu/op.php?isbn=9780520021495
I don't intend to change the topic of this discussion; it remains "First Gen. Meeting for the formation of
LAUSA/CANADA".
Apwoyo,
Caesar Ogole
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2012/12/28 at hour 11 and 2012/12/28 at
hour 12 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.58 minutes. Or total(M) of 58 minutes
Omego Ceaser,
Yia yom me neno balo ni. Abino yiko nyingi oko in my next letter.
Looking foward to meeting you during the meeting.
Apwoyo,
Obanga gwoki.
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Ogwal
Illinois
The difference (length of time) between dates 2012/12/28 at hour 12 and 2012/12/28 at
hour 13 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.47 minutes. Or total(M) of 47 minutes
Mego Ceaser
& Mego Ducu,
family / مؤنث شخصي أسم ,دوروثي
Q.Q: THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PERSONS ARE THOSE WHO
The difference (length of time) between dates 2012/12/28 at hour 13 and 2012/12/28 at
hour 14 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.48 minutes. Or total(M) of 48 minutes
Omego Mike,
Apwo Rwot Obanga me goko wan ducu. Ate pwoyi yin Mike dok me keto tek me lwongo cokere
man ame bino noto Langi ame tye iye America kan lung.
I would like to support and to encourage all the Lango community in America to endeavor to
come and attend this meeting and ignite unity among the langi in America by coming together to
know each other and to bond as one community with common goals.
However, I would like to suggest that the first meeting might be schedule to takes place during the summer break
specifically in the middle of June or July 4th, 2013 for reasons well known to us all.
Looking forward to meeting all of you in Illinois. God bless you all.
Rehema Apio
The difference (length of time) between dates 2012/12/28 at hour 14 and 2012/12/28 at
hour 14 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.6 minutes. Or total(M) of 6 minutes
Joe,
Pe aneno nyingi i list... You may want to ask to be included in the list.
thanks,
Caesar
************** recompute. The difference (length of time) between dates 2012/12/28 at hour
14 and 2012/12/28 at hour 3 is: 0 day(s), -11 hours.-27 minutes. Or total(M) of -687
minutes
Dear All,
En acwali wu balo ame anwongo ibot Imat Betty woki. This is one other good
reasons why Langi need to meet and meet soon. Kwan ite neno wuno kit wic
kede cuny awan otye ogwoko iyi akina wa.
Apwoyo
Ogwal
Illinois
ATTACHMENT
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Thank you!!
Dickson
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Wan otino Langi, need I remind us all that there is more to unite us than separate us. It’s high
time for us to band together and prevent the madness which since 1971 has only served to hold
us back as a community. Right now all the vital stats irrefutably show the enormity of the heavy
lifting that’s urgently needed to ameliorate the current conditions of our people. We must
therefore encourage and support any among us who are able to spare the effort and time to
contribute to the challenge of helping to steer our people to greener pastures.
Our community is blessed with many capable people with enormous talents and insights.
Instead of just sitting on the sidelines, this is your call to duty. It makes sense for you to step on
to the stage, to help ensure we free ourselves from this self created bondage and avoidable
unnecessary stagnation in the mud. Whatever it takes, can you call a “tow truck” to finally free
our wagon from the “matope”?
Apwoyo
Hudson Ayo
PS: Yes we value your contribution...for those out there who unfortunately stepped on some
stuff, please do us all a favor and clean your foot before getting into the house.
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I could not agree more! Brother Hudson, you have just given me
hope!
Florence
“Good thoughts are no better than good dreams, unless they be executed.”
- Ralph W. Emerson
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Hello to all,
I, like Hudson, feel that we have some "heavy lifting" to do to help improve the
conditions of our people in Lango. While this is a huge undertaking, for some reason,
we, the Langi as a group, have been unable to harness the resources that North
America can offer us in our endeavours to achieve this task. I quite understand that
most people are put off completely by dirty politics and personal attacks- I get that.
I therefore would like to throw this out there to anyone who may be on the sidelines right
now. We have to do something to help our communities back home now- whether this is
done within the mandate of a North America Lango Association or outside of the
Association remains to be seen. I am ready to move forward with or without the
Association (no offence to anyone). It looks like we do waste a lot of time arguing on
things of no value.
Let's see what happens with the formation of the Lango Association - North America. If
Nothing happens, a coalition of the willing can come together to discuss developmental
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elevating the next action step that we need to take as a vital commitment to our community.
the river but can't force the horse to drink from it': The Luo /
Hon. Mstr. Amego D.A.D.O. Gift / G.o.Hope (Mrs.)
http://upcuganda.issuesforum.onwebsite.co
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JANUARY 2013
Congratulations!
All, for Conquering The Past 2012 & Welcome Now
To The Brand New 2013. 2013 Welcomes All Here,
whether or not deliberately excluded / sidelined from all
or some (Langi) communal social - econ. - cultural ongoings.
That as U have proved did/does not mark the end of the world!
Hi everyone,
Thank you for including me in this email. I have been reading everyone's email diligently and I
hope the creation of a Lango Association will happen in 2013. I believe this organization is
necessary and needed to help Langi who have grown up in the States, like myself, to reconnect
back to our culture and Leb Lango. As a previous email stated earlier, I agree that the
organization is best served as a community organization, without politics or political affiliation. I
also believe that the organization can be a strong catalyst to help Langi Diaspora, especially
young professionals, to support existing projects and build new projects to help Langi back
home.
As for me, I am very interested in media and literacy and I look forward to working with you to
help our community.
Regards,
Arao
Linkedin/ Twitter/ Facebook
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"Kwedde pe imi cwinyi dok cen." Struggle without ceasing. ~ Lango proverb, northern Uganda
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Florence,
This is the kind of spirit that we want as a people. I am particularly touched by the noble
task we have for our people and community. I have received quite a few mails from
people who are "willing" to pool in the organization.
Thank You very much.
Alif-Lam-Mim-Ra.....
Benjamin M. Wacha.
I concur with Arao that the formation of the Lango Association USA/Canada Association
is overdue. You can count on me to support the association provided politics is kept out
of it. Many of us who grew up during Idi Amin's regime, worked in Uganda thereafter
and now live and work in diaspora know how politics tore the country and the Lango
people apart.
Regardless of which Lango clan one is from, those of us living in diaspora have worked
too hard to be taken back to those days! I speak for myself and perhaps many others
when I say, to earn my trust in this association, all politics and other things that deter
progress must be kept out of the Lango association. Let's focus on issues which unite
us rather than those that divide us if we want to see this association off the ground and
as an avenue to help those back home.
Gloria
Thanks,
Gloria Ameny-Dixon, Ph.D.
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I do not know how long each of you has been away from home. For some of us, it has been time
immemorial.
There is still no place like Lango in my dream of dreams. Many of you feel the same way as I
do. Accordingly, we need an organization for our sanity, a Lango association of some sort.
I feel a sense of consensus among us for the association. However, I don’t have the same hunch
about the geographical scope for that dream organization.
I love our brothers and sisters in Canada and Mexico if ever there is any Langi in the latter.
Legally and logistically, I just think that it is better to let each of the North American countries
form their own country Lango association. Accordingly, I am advocating for Lango Association
USA, Lango Association Canada and Lango Association Mexico, etc, which is consistent with
the example of Lango Association UK.
Absolutely! I agree with all those who have stated it before me that politics is kept out of any
Lango association that is formed.
Lastly, the time for the first meeting to inaugurate the association should coincide with the
School Spring Break in the USA to enable most of us in the Academia to attend it too.
I am ready to assist in the creation of the Lango Association USA as much as possible.
Greetings to all!
I am just following up on Professor Omara-Alwala's suggestion that each of the North American
countries form their own Lango Association. I agree that legally and logistically it makes
sense to have each country form their own association, however, realistically the Canadians,
maybe even more so, the Langi in Mexico, would be at some disadvantage due to much smaller
populations of the Langi in these two countries. I strongly believe that there is always strength in
numbers and unfortunately, currently there are very few Langi in Canada.
That said, I will check with my Canadian brothers and sisters to gauge where their interests are
and we will pick it up from there and see how we can move this forward. On that note, I would
like to invite the Canadians who are currently on this list to contact me so we can determine
where everyone is as a first step.
Sincerely,
Florence
I agree with you Florence, we need a higher census to satisfy the reality in
our midst in order to create a vibrant and sustainable association. It would
have been very welcomed but the numbers south of the United States
including Mexico will be very minute hence entirely symbolic. On the other
hand our sisters and brothers to the north of the United States who dare to
think of the Maple Leaf as a national symbol are also not that numerous in
numbers. When you scan across the United States the numbers are
somehow available but we are still a very small community.
As explained herein, the birth of Lango Association will serve our
community with better efficiency but only if the membership is drawn from
the entire Northern Hemisphere. This means the emphasis ought to be on
Canada and the United States and this will be a workable and durable for
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Let us try the the idea or suggestions of Prof. Omara to form Lango Association USA
seperately maybe later on merge together with Canada/Mexico
Tom Otim Opito
Arak Ocola
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It is great to hear a voice from our brother in Canada about Lango Association. Thank you
Adam! Would you kindly find out for us if you can, Adam, how many of the other Langi from
Canada might be as enthusiastic as yourself about the prospects of the Lango Association in our
part of the Hemisphere?
Number is a good thing. However, number for the sake of a number is not worth it if it does not
justify the opportunity cost of attaining it. At some point, geographical delimitation becomes
important for the purposes of being practical, if not for anything else. It is too soon to forget our
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recent experience of the plan for the welcoming of the Won Nyaci to the "Americas". In theory
we talked of the Langi in the "Americas", comprising the continents of North America and South
America, including the Caribbean. In reality, we were dealing with mostly the Langi from the
USA, along with no more than just three to five from Canada. Hence, my suggestion of reality
checks than of wishful the proverbial British Empire, where the sun does not set at all.
Mike you are right. Mine was only a suggestion; not a condition for starting the association. A
final decision must come as a result of this kind an open and frank discussion among ourselves,
instead of a directive from who knows who!
About the time to hold the first meeting, although summer seems like a very good time, for some
people it is a time to travel, therefore may not necessarily suit a number of us. The spring recess
time is the most perfect time of all in my view. The weather is good; The recess takes place at
approximately the same time as for most every school the USA and, I believe in Canada as well
though I am not sure.
Once again, the above are just my ideas, not conditions. I will of course abide by our general
consensus.
Wadwu,
Omara-Alwala
Ps 91:1 He who dwells in the secret place of the Most High will rest in the
shadow of the Almighty.
Ps 91:2 I will say of Yahweh, “He is my refuge and my fortress; my God, in
whom I trust.”
Ps 91:3 For he will deliver you from the snare of the fowler, and from the
deadly pestilence.
Ps 91:4 He will cover you with his feathers. Under his wings you will take
refuge. His faithfulness is your shield and rampart.
Ps 91:5 You shall not be afraid of the terror by night, nor of the arrow that flies
by day;
Ps 91:6 nor of the pestilence that walks in darkness, nor of the destruction
that wastes at noonday.
Ps 91:7 A thousand may fall at your side, and ten thousand at your right hand;
but it will not come near you.
Ps 91:8 You will only look with your eyes, and see the recompense of the
wicked.
Ps 91:9 Because you have made Yahweh your refuge, and the Most High
your dwelling place,
Ps 91:10 no evil shall happen to you, neither shall any plague come near your
dwelling.
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Ps 91:11 For he will put his angels in charge of you, to guard you in all your
ways.
Ps 91:12 They will bear you up in their hands, so that you won’t dash your foot
against a stone.
Amego D. Gift.
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Hi Thomas,
I support your idea 100 per cent. Do you know where your name sake is (Omara Ojungu of
Kiooga)?
Former Prof. Makerere University and Hon. Minister Of Lands? We have to look for Langi .....
abroad.. dig them out to ensure they are aware, about the coming meeting so if they cannot attend
they send in there contribution. All friends of langi are welcome!
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Special Announcement
---------- Original message ----------
From: Mike Ogwal <mogwal444@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 12:52 PM
Subject: RE: Special Announcement
To: Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>, Patrick Okullo <peboo@me.com>,
Betty Odero <crcf1@yahoo.com>, Tom Opito <opito.tom@gmail.com>, Adam Odwar
<zubco2@gmail.com>, Millie Ogwal <makulloogwal@yahoo.com>, Magomu Ben
Wacha <bmwacha@hotmail.com>, Ben Magamo Wacha <bmwacha@outlook.com>,
Alex Atim <atimalex@hotmail.com>, Charles Owot <owotc@yahoo.com>, Mark Odyek
Agona <oagona@hotmail.com>, mildred omara <mildred.omara@yahoo.com>,
"edisa1@gmail.com" <edisa1@gmail.com>, "rosehelly@yahoo.com"
<rosehelly@yahoo.com>, Mike Okwir <mokwir@hotmail.com>, Margaret Jato
<mlagulu@hotmail.com>, Dorothy Adero <amegodorothy@gmail.com>,
"sylvianyana@hotmail.com" <sylvianyana@hotmail.com>, Engola Omodi
<mamaelder9@aol.com>, Charles Ogole <cogole@gmail.com>, Emmy Ogwal
<eloggwal@yahoo.com>, Anna Aya <annaayaa@yahoo.com>, Ayo Orech
<uayorech@yahoo.ca>, Rehema Apio <apiorehema@yahoo.com>, Hudson Ayo
<ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, Arao Ameny <araoameny@gmail.com>, Gloria Ameny-
Dixon <gamenyd@att.net>, Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>, Mike
Ogwal <mogwal444@hotmail.com>
Dear All,
This is to inform you that, next week I will be presenting you the following
subjects:
1. Defining Who the real Mike Ogwal is (to know all u need to know about me,
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in prints, pictures, etc)
2. My Intent to File a Defamation Lawsuit Against Betty Odero (charges
related to: IROKO KIC: to set the record straight)
Both of these topics are important to me first as Wadwu, and second, as we
move forward with our discussions and preparation to form Lango Association
in North America.
Stay tuned
Happy Weekend,
Thanks
Ogwal
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Noted,
Dear All,
I hope we are going to promote the correct name/term Lango in this venue. Wan Lango, Yin
Lango, An Lango, Lango District, Lango Association, Lango Diaspora, etc. Langi is not the
plural of Lango. Lango is a race, and is both plural and singular, just like LUO is LUO, LANGO
is LANGO because there are several groups under LANGO, and several groups under LUO. You
may add Jo Luo (Luo people) or Jo Lango (Lango people). The "Langi" is a new creation (read
Tosh 1979 "Clan Leaders and Colonial Chiefs in Lango: The Political History of an East African
Stateless Society 1800-1939"), and now widely used (incorrectly) by Lango and non-Lango, but
no record of "Langi" in Lango history. I have done some research on Lango people and the
Lango name. Please do not take my words for it, read the followings:
1. Kihangire, Cyprianus (1957). "The marriage customs of the Lango tribe (Uganda) in relation
to canon Law"
2. Driberg, J. H. (1923). The Lango: A Nilotic Tribe of Uganda
3. Hutchinson, H.N., Walter, J., & Lydekker, R. (1902). The living races of mankind: a popular
illustrated account of the customs, habits, pursuits, feasts and ceremonies of the races of mankind
throughout the world.
4. Odwe, Julius P.O. Proposal to Celebrate a Tricentenary (300 years) of Lango Existence,
Importance and Contributions to Uganda. A conference proposal presented to the Prime
Minister, Lango Cultural Foundation, Lira (Uganda), November 11, 2011.
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Dear Sylvia,
Thank you for your insight into the usage of the terms Lango or Langi. I noticed that your
comments on the usage of these two terms were from Wikipedia, almost word for word in many
respects, without giving the source due credits.
Most import of all, your citations are authored by non "Langi", except for Odwe. How do you
come to trusting these non Lango people more than the Langi themselves? How could two
million Lango people be so wrong in the proper use of their own Language?
For the record, I am not a Lango Language specialist. However, I have personal copies of most
of the citations you reference. I would appreciate it very much if you could share with me a copy
of your research publications on the subject.
Jojok amalo!
Thomas R. Omara-Alwala
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Hi Sylvia,
Thank you for the information this is wealth of knowledge to some of us, to know more about
the history of Lango. Please lets keep digging out other Langi abroad out to be aware of Lango
Association and to put the development back home. Join to sponsor our girls, boys and school
dropped
out back to school. Hoping Association will come and focus quick on our children's education
and health.
Help put a better toilet back home start with your home/village/town/friends. On can pull 1,000
and two 10,000.
I was challenge that our people especially the boy/girls could not interpret English. Very hard to
get volunteers workers and interpreters
Lango.
Will be taking a another team of medical mission to the North and I bet your prayers and
support.
Pass this message. My school moto was "work not words."
Helen
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I had the same observation as Thomas', although I was a little reluctant to react. This is not to
imply that the information provided is not useful. Needless to say, scholarly integrity is a big
deal universally. As to why most of the authors of the cited works are not Lango (... I was about
to write "Langi"), I have been asking myself the same questions. My knowledge of the Lango
anthropology is very limited, so I am out to seek answers as well. However, it appears that in the
pre-colonial and immediate post-colonial era, we did not have Lango authors who could take up
the initiative of writing a comprehensive book about the Lango people. This should be seen as a
challenge to the current generation. Nonetheless, I personally find the works by the Non-Lango
authors rather impressive, both in depth and breadth; it makes me wonder what their (exact)
intents were. Again, mine is a superficial critique, for my trust in the content of the books is
based on limited exposure. Validation of the content of these books, and rewriting the Lango
history could be a very interesting undertaking - for those who will.
Apwoyo,
Caesar Ogole
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I do edit wikipedia (Lango of Uganda), and continue adding new materials on this page and
correcting texts entered by non-Lango in other encyclopedias. No, historical works about Lango
except the current by Juluis Odwe. Please read Tosh for the word "Langi". There are no mention
of "Langi" in historical books written by non-Lango, but Lango. Mr. Odwe did his part,
researched "Lango" and found it to be Lango, not Langi.
Sylvia
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Mr. Ogole,
Thanks for your comments! I agree with you, works by non-Lango were well written with exception of a
few. As I mentioned before, I did my litte research and that's what is in wiki
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Langi_people). The editor before used "Langi" as the title, and will stay
because it was entered by someone with little know of Lango history.. I changed the content of this page
to reflect Lango history.
Sylvia
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Dear N.American Lango
Persons of Goodwill,
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Amego D. Gift.
Ms. Nyana,
With all due respect to you, you did not answer my question. I don't know what you want me to make of
the following statement of yours: "I do edit wikipedia (Lango of Uganda), and continue adding new
materials on this page and correcting texts entered by non-Lango in other encyclopedias."
My response to you is, so what if you edit Wikipedia and other encyclopedias?
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Wikipedia is not a peer-reviewed journal. Even Wiki itself states this of itself: “Anybody can edit
Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia. In that sense, anyone can be a Wikipedia editor”
-http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Be_a_Wikipedia_Editor
By the way, one of us on this forum in response to my debate with you on this subject emailed me the
following remarks, “Wikipedia is not acceptable even in College research. We should not use Wikipedia
for any professional work."
Regrettably, the individual did not copy their posting to everyone on the forum. Hence, it is my
considered decision to leave their name or identity out of their own statement too. I was not about to
second-guess their motive of not copying everyone their posting.
I will not belabor the point any more than it is necessary. We have both made our points clear to each
other. I will leave it to the people to decide for them.
Suffice for me to state that Leb-Lango is the Language of the Langi, or of the Lango as you would prefer.
Like any other modern Language, Lango is not a static Language. However, I still maintain that no non
Lango must dictate the rules of using Leb-Lango to the Langi or Lango themselves.
It is clear from your failure to answer my question that you, yourself have not published any original
works on Leb-Lango in a peer-reviewed journal, which is the yardstick of credibility in any fields of study.
It is perfectly okay to for anyone to hold an opinion on an issue but that does not make them
necessarily right on the issue in my professional world of science.
Still, I respect your effort very much in trying to keep the information on the Lango of Uganda up-to-date
on Wikipedia.
Thomas R. Omara-Alwala
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Mr. Omara,
If you have something to add, please do. I did my part correcting what was posted in wikipedia.
For your information, students do use wikipedia whether it is scholarly or not, so information in
wiki need to be corrected. If I remember, you also went to wikipedia to find information about
Lango. Why did you cite entires from wikipedia in your early communication if it is not
scholarly? Many information are now available online (Google), are they reviewed? What is
entered in wikipedia about Lango is scholarly and cited, not coming from my head. I thought this
was supposed to be about Lango, not debates and opinions.
Sylvia
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"Wikipedia is not a peer-reviewed journal. Even Wiki itself states this of itself: “Anybody can edit
Wikipedia, the free online encyclopedia.
In that sense, anyone can be a Wikipedia editor” -http://howto.wired.com/wiki/
Be_a_Wikipedia_Editor"
So, what is your problem? That's why i wanted the content to be correct and
schorlarly in wikipedia, and not some opinions about Lango. Go and add new
materials if you feel the content is not correct or scholarly.
I rest my case, but will continue to do my small part for the good of Lango.
Sylvia
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I have been observing contributions yet made by to be members of Lango Association. But with
regrets there has not been any sensible developmental issues anyone has come up with except a
few and more of squabbles here and there.
Lets set the mission statement of this association, goals and objectives to guide us instead of
wasting time on issues that do not develop or bring us together. History is the past and will never
be corrected or changed. We should direct our energies and intellect towards a better and
unifying future.
For how long should we keep knocking our heads for issues that do not build us?
Patrick O. O.
Patrick, most of these conversations are not in vain. A highly recognized model of group development
(See Tuckman's stages of group development) explains all these. What we are observing here is called
the storming phase. ( I hate to cite Wikipedia, but I ask for exception here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Tuckman's_stages_of_group_development ). I suppose everyone is hoping to get to development phase
sooner than later.
Caesar Ogole
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Despite our incredible gifts in human capital, our community has been
marginalized for far too long by external actors and other avoidable
anomalies as we helplessly watch in horror from the sidelines.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo
+1(484)429-9008
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Ms. Nyana,
I cited entries from Wikipedia in my early communication only to inform you and others that you had
lifted the information from an internet source and sounded it as though it was your original piece of
research, without giving it even due credits.
As a college professor, I always warn my students to double check the info they get from the internet for
their home work, term papers or thesis work, esp. from Wiki. The info from the internet may or may
not be scholarly?
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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Mr. Omara,
Those are my words, not lifted, just forgot to share the link. If you were not arrogant with your
comments, would have told you so. If you want to add something, do so. I think this Lango
Association is going to end very early with this attitude. You can lecture your students, this
venue is different, I hope. So, you cannot tell me I can and cannot do.
Sylvia
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Thank you your comments! I hope we will stick to issues, not wikipedia. Many people including
students use wikipedia whether it is scholarly or not because of its open access policy, no fee.
Sylvia
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With due respect to all Lango colleagues in the U.S./Canada, please remove me from these email
communications.
Thanks,
Dr. Gloria Ameny-Dixon
Sent from my iPad
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taken off and others yet to. Pooling of wisdom from individual
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luo_language.
Ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Lango_of_Uganda
Respectfully,
Amego D.Gift.
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Dear Caesar,
In response to the the second paragraph of your input, I have posted an announcement
which I hope you have recieved and read.
In our "current lawless Uganda" where everything you never heard off is
happening", we have for example, people, including leaders, who deliberately
choose to insult and/ or falsely accuse fellow Ugandans using many
defamatory languages such as: biological substances fit for extermination; stupid;
backward; swine; idiots; ojogi/wizards; dogs; cockroaches; etc. and get away with
such expressions with impunity.
In Lango districts, we also have such people who use such
defamatory languages....we call it "Yeto" or "Nywaro" dano wadwu", with or w/o a
reason and get away with it.
Not in the US:
The use of some of these defamatory languages, including fasle accusations of some
kind, in the USA in particlular, have in some cases resulted in major problems.
These include: injury to one's reputation; effect on one's professional
character; loss of respect in communities, loss of jobs, loss of business, mental
and emotional effects on families; etc. Unlike Uganda or Lango district, the US gov
has inscribed in its constitution, a protective Law called "Defamatory Law suits".
And these cases are on-going in the US Courts all over the States.
If we as a people (Lango in diaspora) don't watch what we say, or what we accuse our
friends of doing or having, (without evidence) and think we are still in Lango district
and will therefore get away with it, we might find ourselves in court. For more of this,
please stay tuned till next week.
Thanks
Ogwal
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Hi Mike,
I retract my ill-informed piece of advice regarding the need to forgive and forget. That was borne
out of my simplistic idea that certain issues can be resolved quickly without necessarily just
ignoring it or building a mountain out of a mole hill. Whatever route you take, I (speaking for
myself) hope it restores sanity. I do not know either of you (in person), but I am confident things
will alright.
Caesar
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Monday, January 07
Omina Patrick,
I indeed appreciate your effort to register your engagement with our brothers and sisters in this
noble development. I salute you for the interjection. Mano nyutu "ditu tam" kede "dongo lwak".
Thjat said, I have hastily decided to post some response to your suggestions. I do believe that
your thoughtfulness merits a serious response. Like I mentioned earlier, I have very hastily put
what looks our "Mission Statement" (of course pending public approval). This should guide us in
all our deliberations here to avoid idleness. I have attached a copy of the same for anybody to
see, and make any necessary adjustments or additions. Or even just comment if need be.
As you know this is a voluntary involvement, and so we would expect all concerned to exercise a
high level of maturity so that we do not let down our children and grand children, and other
descendors.
Thank You,
Jo-Jok Amalu,
Alif-Lam-Mim-Ra.....
Benjamin M. Wacha.
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Agreed,
- up to the ongoings, otherwise :
Amego D. Gift.
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Dear all,
Attached are early results of the test. I am making it clear that this survey was only a test of operational
feasibility of the tool, and therefore, the results do not count. The comments were taken into
consideration, however. Use the attachments to develop acquaintance with the simple but probably
useful capabilities we will leverage from this simple online collaboration system. This is not a
replacement of other means of communication that we have been using all along. I would like to say
"thank you" to all those who responded to the test survey very promptly. . I know other people were
planning to submit their responses as well since we had up to Friday to do so.
Anyhow, the next stage will be the design of an actual survey/questionnaire. It will be up to you to
determine the kind of questions to be included in the survey. Some examples were given in the test
survey and its sample responses (attached). Please, go to the link below to complete the actual survey:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGd3eTYxSThlem5lWlNBaS1xbHk0TGc6MQ
I encourage everyone to respond, for or against! For this actual survey, I think we need to give ourselves
ample time to respond.... The results will be shared among members on Jan 12th. We have up to
Friday, Jan 11th to respond.
Thanks,
Caesar Ogole
ATTACHMENT 1 ATTACHMENT 2
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Caesar,
did you receive my response to your survey? I submitted it by the online option. V.G.
idea!
Thanks,
Thomas O-A
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From: Caesar <cogole@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 9:15 PM
Subject: Re: Lango Association
To: Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>
Yes Professor, I received your response and a couple other responses. Very useful. I will spare
time, and get give feedback.
Thanks,
Caesar Ogole
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Dear All,
As the work on the constitution of Lango Association gets underway, please allow me to reiterate
my personal view of the type of association we need for our community here in the Diaspora.
We need an organization that is completely free of partisan politics, a body that values
differences of opinion, a union in which people can disagree on issues without being
disagreeable, a body that brings us together because of our common heritage, and an alliance that
is inclusive and provides us with an opportunity to make friendships and partnerships for
business.
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Bro. Thomas, I whole heartedly agree with you. It's not a hiden secret anymore, we must not
allow our community to be perpetually distracted by side shows anymore. For how long are we
going to allow ourselves to be stuck in the mud? It's good to note that an over whelming majority
in this House have already given the same sentiments. Henceforth let us please refrain from
indiscriminately applying friendly fire.
In addition to the afore mentioned good inputs, I would like for us to be aware that in order for
this bold initiative work to work it needs to add up. Simply put it must be a viable and
sustainable initiative. IN THIS HEMISPHERE WE SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE NUMBERS
FOR EACH COUNTRY TO GO SOLO. By consolidating our blessings in human capital and
talents under one umbrella, we have a much better capacity to serve our community successfully.
Regardless of geography, whether you are in Canada or USA or around the Gulf of Mexico or
the Caribbean Sea, working as unified house will yield us stronger efficiencies and better
synergies.
One of the concerns right now is when to hold the first meeting. By working with IT leaders like
our Sister Arao Ameny and others gifted in this field perhaps many of these concerns can be
addressed quicker by using technology without necessarily traveling. We will still need to travel
but this could be as a part of our family reunion annually or every 6 months.
My appreciation to the sons/daughters of the the land for all these insightful contributions.
Apwoyo
Hudson Ayo
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1. Re. the vision for our upcoming NA-LA, LA-NA or whatever name
turns out to finally be decided upon. This is with trust that the draft
constitution and other bureacratic components of the upcoming
LA-NA are piecing up together well. The ref. readings recommended
Apac Dist., Kwania County, & Inomo Clan. Details available on request.
This is in as much as Truths can be like bitter pills to swallow for the sake of
good health.
3. Fortunately as well for the gonnabe Assoc. many N.A. Lango members
are expressing willingness to support the endeavor, including own self in an
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that guides any ship i.e. shepperds to guide the sheep if that makes sense,
5. The leadership team would help keep the Assoc. devlopments moving on
distractions. Issues as Lango words mis-usage can be pointed out like a side
dish without it being turned into the main menu! Seriously & honestly.
The other another tall lady pilot focussing on aviation policies could not
curb her habit of standing up 24/7 by a wall or behind class. My own self
a single mom could not help being in class with my child esp. on wk.ends.
makes that word very difficult for some to embrace include in their vocublary.
in the Association. Incase U don't read from me for a while, it means I'm
8. Good persons, educators have the habit of teaching through giving examples
and living by them. The above e.g.s are given only to enhance viewpoint clarity.
Sincere apologies should any of the opinons above or past be of hurt mentally
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From: ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com
Cc: Benjamin Wacha ; Caesar Ogole ; Patrick Okullu Orech ; Thomas R. Omara-Alwala ; Sylvia Nyana ;
Dr Mike Ogwal ; Florence Ocen ; Betty O'Dero ; Tom Opito ; Adam Odwar ; Millie Ogwal ; Benjamin
Wacha ; Alex Atim ; owotc@yahoo.com ; oagona@hotmail.com ; mildred.omara@yahoo.com ; Edisa
Engola Kema ; Hellen Apio ; Dickson Ogwang ; Mike Okwir ; Margaret Odoch-Jato ; George Atyang ;
Mama Elder ; Emmy Ogwal ; Anna Aya ; Ayo Orech ; Ms. Rehema Apio ; Ms. Arao Ameny ; Gloria
Ameny-Dixon ; Justine Yamokolo
Amego Dorothy, I appreciate your great suggestions along with inputs from all the other prior
contributors. If adopted this algorithm will minimize any avoidable glitches and unwarranted drama in
our match forward.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo me Aboke.
The district used to be Apac but it could have been incorporated into a new district, perhaps Kole, due
to recent demarcation in Uganda. Sorry for my lack of precision. I need to re-calibrate my bearings since
I have been away out here for several years from Aboke.
I am reside and work in Bala Cynwyd, Pennsylvania in the Philadelphia metro area.
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(Ditto.)
Aboke is tending to be like the Chinese; they are everywhere! Good for them! Well, I am from Abia, Apala
Sub County, Alebtong District. Alebtong used to be a County within Lira District. Son of Cyril Ogwok.
I am not revealing my clan either for fear that I will risk shrinking my dating space! (See Prof. Omara's
humorous remark below). To (help you) complete the dots..., I was born some time in the early 80's.
Along the way from Abia to Lira Hospital (23-mile stretch), my mother, in labor pain, asked to be excused
(so she could ease herself). She ducked into a nearby banana plantation... and there I was born! - under
a banana tree! The place is called Kwoyo Atar, a few miles from Got Ngetta to the East-side. I was then
named after Mzee Ogole, the owner of the homestead and the banana plantation. My elderly father used
to interchangeably call me Abolo or Banana, names that I didn't like for fear of being teased by peers. He
only dropped the names when I hit teenage :) I proudly pioneer the name Ogole in my clan. I am aware
that the name raises goose bumps on some people. I like to leave it at that. (In fact, this is probably my
first time I am telling the story outside my family).
I live in New York, where I work as a Research Scientist (field of Artificial Intelligence). More than half a
decade ago before I moved to the US, I worked as a research scholar in the Netherlands.
Apwoyo
P.S. Abia is known for producing famous musicians such as Ekuka Ogwal Adongo, among others. It also
used to be a big supplier of moo yao. I acknowledge that like most places in Lango, that heavy-lifting is
needed in Abia.
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We should know that we are representing our selves individually but on behalf of our origin.
Whatever we do or say is representation of ourselves although it will have an indirect or direct
effect on our origin.
My names are Patrick Okullu Orech. I come from Apac District, Kwania County, Aduku Sub-
county. Am currently living in New York where I work.
Wishing all of you all the very best in 2013 and many many more years to come.
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Greetings to All.
Agreed!! Aboke is a small World as stated by Prof. Omara-Alwala.
Hudson even if you have not been Home (Aboke) for years; "YES" You can still do
something to alleviate our Community. Nying Paco acel ame olwongo-ni "Imato Ineno
Ngeyi" Atamo Ingeyo!
Let us get Orgnised I am sure we can make a step forward.
Happy New Year 2013
Tom Opito.
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Bro Tom Opio, on behalf of the entire "Team Aboke" this is another pleasant welcomed
surprise. My heart now feels warm and I no longer fit the profile of a lone space traveler
in the outer galaxy.
Bro Caesar "Abolo", as a noble Lango Ninja from Abia, your observations in linking
"Team Aboke" with the Chinese is not too far fetched. As a matter of fact I am very good
with chopsticks and can speak a few Chinese words. The most important advantage,
with all these reinforcements in numbers, is that now Team Aboke is better placed to
cover all our backs.
Check this; wherever you are in the Americas, Team Aboke is primed and ready to go.
Our journey continues and we are ready to go to the next frontier of abundance. This
hemisphere is ready for us and we can get engaged by staking our claims in this new
vast land of opportunity without making excuses or forgetting our heritage and people
back at home.
Again thanks to the entire house for this privilege and the opportunity to make a
difference.
Apwoyo
Hudson Ayo
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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Greetings to all!
Small world indeed! I knew that Professor Omara-Alwala had to be from Aboke. Goes
without saying then that Aboke will be well represented here...3 and counting!
I am from Aboke as well, lived in Canada for many years now but travel home often. I
agree with Prof. that Aboke is in dire need for reconstruction and yes, Hudson you need
to visit as soon as you can. Remember the "heavy lifting" you spoke of in your earlier
postings, Aboke desperately needs that! and many communities in Lango are just like
Aboke - in dire need!
Dorothy made a suggestion earlier about a working committee- is there one? Would be
nice to know if there is an organizing committee for this meeting as well. I have seen
people come up with great ideas and contributions for the meeting but I am just not sure
whether someone somewhere is taking notes.
Sincerely,
Florence
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Bro Hudson.
Correction.My name is Tom Opito
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This is a major find for me. For years I forcibly reminded myself that it was a statistical impossibility for
me to be considered as the only homosapien with a Lango heart in the mid Atlantic region of USA. My
only relief was whenever I bumped into Margaret Odoch-Jato and her troops on those rear occasions
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After the first 5 years of inactivity, things finally started to improve with new arrivals of 4 Langi ladies
over a 20-year span. I was somehow traumatized by this and felt as if I was alone on a deeper space
exploration by myself. This anomaly made me think that only our ladies had the courage to travel
farther from the English Channel by actually crossing the Atlantic Ocean. All this outdated theory has
now been better refined by the presence of all of you my brothers and sisters on these shores. As Langi
explorers this is a great opportunity for us to outshine Christopher Columbus in this land while delivering
needed relief to our people back at home.
As if the above is not enough, it's impossible for me to have anticipated that God and our ancestors
would have sent Florence, Dorothy and Thomas to wake me up. Yes you have got my attention however,
I will need for you to be my "GPS" to enable my smooth re entry in Aboke from this long Odyssey in
deep space. I will now roll my sleeves up and be ready to take any challenge thrown at us. Yes we can
immediately start to improve the conditions in Lango and I already more that a few tested revenue
neutral remedies to work with.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo
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Caesar,
The story of your birth is unbeatable. What a Mom! She deserves the highest award of any
kind for wit and self-help child delivery under the most risky and
strenuous
conditions of a banana plantation. I swear that even Jesus' Mother had it easy man in a kraal!
Count your blessings!
You said, "I am not revealing my clan either for fear that I will risk shrinking my dating space!"
How funny! However, if I were a girl from your clan, like chicks, I would take cover
immediately I saw tipu ogole (kite) piny.
Apwoyo,
Omara-Alwala
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Oloni Caeser,
Pe ibed ilworo. The name of Muzee Ogwok is also found in my clan. People of
Abia, Apala, married my sister there. I eat your moo yao all the time. Infact
she sent me some a month ago. Her husband's name is called Lawrence
Adar. Do u know that family? Caught you rite? I hope you are not related to
Mr. Adar (current/fomer HM of Lira primary school). If you are related, you
owe me another goat. Prepare to buy one and load it in Amtrak on your way to
Illinois.
See you soon
Ogwal
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Two parts:
Part 1. As you may notice from the address line, I have a backlog of messages to reply to, and I apologize
for not having responded promptly to some of these messages that were addressed to me. I am
undoubtedly enjoying all the conversations at this point. My reservation, however, is that we have many
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mixed-up threads of emails making it hard to respond without causing some form of irritation to some
members on the list. Any attempt to repeatedly "REPLY ALL" makes one look like a spammer. On the
other hand, keeping people in limbo can also be interpreted otherwise. Dilemma, isn't it?
- Suggestions: For any Association-related matters, and even introducing oneself (where you come from,
etc), let's utilize the forum:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?
fromEmail=true&formkey=dGd3eTYxSThlem5lWlNBaS1xbHk0TGc6MQ
- Follow-ups among individual members can then be done "off-line", that is, through one-to-one emails,
and the like.
Part 2. Of course, I have to ask to try to respond to the hanging emails, in chronological order:
(i) Hey Hudson! , I like the name Abolo - and thanks for making use of it. You call me a "Ninja" to my
surprise. I thought I was the Jedi character! I have no issue, regardless! Like everyone else, you are
certainly a big force to reckon in terms of ideas and getting things done for this association. Looking up
to you!
(ii) Prof. Omara, again you make me laugh with that "tipu ogole" thing. I guess the girls in my clan would
certainly fall prey in this Americas where there is no sunlight (read Winter) to cast my "tipu" piny.
(Note: I'm just responding to the funny and interesting joke you made about the idea of disclosing
clans, .. which was started by Dorothy, but which was first mentioned by Dr. G. Ameny,... Now you see
what I mean by mixed-up threads in emails?) . Glad I made my point though, indirectly. Also thanks for
the positive note on my birth story. My mother (like most mothers) was certainly a heroine in her own
way.
(iii) Ole Mike, that word "oloni"! I like it. It has been ages since I used it, and you just reminded me. And
when I call you "Ole" in this context, accept it because we are interacting informally. I am conscious of
the respect that we all should accord each other in professional and other formal settings. (That is, I
hope it doesn't hurt to strip those titles when "ceko lok": I am talking about Omego, Amego, Dr, Eng,
Prof, Imat, Muzee, etc). To answer your questions, Mike... I know (Apwony?) Adar Lawrence. His home
is only 4 blocks away from ours (my father's, OK) in Abia Trading Center. However, I do not know any
other Adar (current or former HM of Lira Primary School). ( Like Hudson, I have been sort of a
"Christopher Columbus" so I am not so in touch with everything at home, but I try!) So we are not
related! (One of those few moments that we celebrate not being related, right?) And, lworo moro pe! It
was necessary to give a clarification though. Ka jo okeli moo yao i America, lwonga dang me abin acam.
Omunga matek!)
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(iv) Patrick, thanks for suggesting the idea that people should promote conversations bearing in mind
that they represent not only themselves, but also where they come from. Since you too live in NY, we
can meet when we get a chance one of these fine days.
(v) etc
Thanks a bunch!
Caesar
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too to Bro. Ceaser on the Lango names origins & meanings among
otehrs.
Time is scarce now but I have done the translations but occassionally
(media) updates for the sake of more clarity, such as this here
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Dear All,
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I acknowledge and commend very much in deed the on-going effort by various members of our
community, particularly by our colleague Mr. Ben Wacha, to write the Lango Association
Constitution.
Find attached a completely different constitution from Ben Wacha's that I have just drafted for
your consideration as well.
Let me hasten to admit that I have used materials from a variety of sources to write my own
draft of the constitution without citing them at this time. The best writer of a legal document
such as the constitution of an organization is a lawyer. I am not a lawyer!
Finally, there is a need for us in the end to appoint 3-5 people to come up with the final draft of
the constitution that the Association members will adopt at the inaugural meeting of the
Association. Prior to that time, I strongly advise an input of a lawyer into our constitution.
My two cents!
Omara-Alwala
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I apologise for my tadyness here. But I indeed like your proposal for us to move on with what needs to
be done. I think I like somebody's suggestion of the name LANGONA.
I would suggest five people to help us to steer the whole exercise. Here I want to particularly appeal to
Mego Dr. Gloria Ameny to come back and join with us by virtue of what she represents in our
community, and experience. I would request her to join us and form a steering committee with about
two women and two men, excluding her. She will be the 'neutral' gender here. I am suggesting that if
members agree to request her so that she takes on the position of Founding Secretary General, with
four secretaries to steer the formation of this Association. She may choose from across the spectrum of
North America.
The committee will inte-ralia be charged with the development and presentation of the constitution,
and prepare the Association for the first election of members to run the Association.
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Cc: Thomas Omara-Alwala ; Sylvia Nyana ; Mikele Ogwal ; FlorenceOcen ; Betty ODero ; Tom Opito ;
Adam Odwar ; Millie Ogwal ; bmwacha@hotmail.com ; AtimAlex ; owotc@yahoo.com ; Odyek Agona ;
mildred.omara@yahoo.com ; Edisa Kema ; rosehelly@yahoo.com ; dogwang@ugandaembassyus.org ;
mokwir@hotmail.com ; Margaret Odoch-Jato ; Amego Dorothy ; atyang@interlog.com ; Engola ;
eloggwal@yahoo.com ; annaayaa@yahoo.com ; uayorech@yahoo.ca ; Rehema Apio ;
ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com ; Arao Ameny
Hello Ben,
Thank you for your invitation. I will be glad to come back and serve as the Founding Secretary General.
As you may have found out already from google etc..., I am an outcome-oriented person and when I set
goals I like to see the goals achieved. I hope we can have a strong founding team, which together can
lead LANGONA to become an organization which will begin helping Jo ame wan oweko paco.
Before I indulge myself completely in LANGONA, I need you to know that I am currently leading my
university in a very important project and I will not be able to travel to a meeting out of town this
semester. I hope the consideration to move the first meeting to the summer time is still on the table.
Gloria
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Survey 2
Link here
Thanks!
Caesar Ogole
Volunteer
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Caesar,
Did you get the help you were looking for? Let me know if you still need help.
Florence
“Good thoughts are no better than good dreams, unless they be executed.”
- Ralph W. Emerson
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Hi Florence,
I did not get anyone yet.. I will get back to you to tomorrow at 6 pm.
Regards,
Caesar
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Survey 2 Results
Dear all,
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I am very pleased to relay the results of the actual survey 2. See the attachment for details (Survey 2
Results
). Many thanks to all those who submitted very useful (and almost exhaustive) suggestions that gave
directions to the next critical step.
As an immediate follow-up, the next "decision" survey based on actual survey 1 responses has been
created. To complete the survey, go to the following survey page:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?
formkey=dHJUZTJaUHV2VGQwV2QtY21CSUhVcWc6MQ
I am requesting a volunteer to join me in managing the survey related tasks. It is very easy (usually 10
minute task), and you do not need to be tech-savvy to do it. That way, I won't monopolize this
communication. (I don't wanna be that guy :) )
Caesar Ogole
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day(s), 25 hours.35 minutes. Or total(M) of 1535 minutes
Interlude…music
From: omara44@mchsi.com
To: gamenyd@att.net; bmwacha@outlook.com; sylvianyana@hotmail.com; mogwal444@hotmail.com;
ocen_florence@yahoo.com; crcf1@yahoo.com; opito.tom@gmail.com; zubco2@gmail.com;
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Dear All,
If you have time, please check this one out and enjoy a lighter side of yours truly performing his rendition
of "Malaika", that all-time African favorite love song in Swahili. Music is just a pastime of mine. Nile
Journal in which it is featured, is the brainchild of several of us risk takers of the Lango Diaspora, along
with a colleague of ours, an Acoli who is also of the Diaspora.
Enjoy it:-
http://nilejournal.net/content/malaika-quintessential-african-love-song
Omara-Alwala
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Rehema Apio
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0 day(s), 2 hours.5 minutes. Or total(M) of 125 minutes
Rehema,
Indeed this a beautiful master piece. I think we should hold it his and make it our official Lango them
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in North America, especially now that our Association is on the way forward. It is great that you have put
it up here for all to hear.
Again, I think we should really push this song. I am seeing it being sung in every Lango School at home.
It is a great master piece like I said.
Thank Rehema,
Ben Wacha.
---
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/13 at hour 22 and 2013/1/14 at hour
19 is: 0 day(s), 20 hours.17 minutes. Or total(M) of 1217 minutes
Omina Ben,
Good to hear from you. You have a very good idea, let's all agree as a team. We need to meet
sometimes soon. what dou you all think.
God bless you all.
Rehema
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/14 at hour 19 and 2013/1/15 at hour
15 is: 0 day(s), 20 hours.38 minutes. Or total(M) of 1238 minutes
Amego Rehema,
Absolutely. This is in order. I think let us make as wide a consultation as possible so as to give all those
who c an attend enough time to get involved and we all agree on an appropriate time. We all know that
here in the US and Canada most people are at real work during the Spring and Winter sessions.
I think that since most people are in agreement, in principle, about the creation of the Association, let
us give them the flexibility that they need. I think you may have noticed that I have requested Dr. Gloria
to volunteer to steer the Founding Committee untill our first election at the agreeable time. I am
requesting that we support her and help her to go ahed and nominate the secretaries that will help her
to make us realise this effort.
I am also requesting you to come up with suggestions about the committee that we will need
for LANGONA.
Finally, let us get the name list together and transition people to using the langona@googlegroups.com
for easier and more collaborated deiscussions and exchange. In this case we will have just one mailing
loist to work with so that everybody feels involved and engaged.
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22 is: 0 day(s), 6 hours.47 minutes. Or total(M) of 407 minutes
Ben,
What "wer" are you and Rehema talking about here? Did I/we miss it or what?
Apwoyo
Omara-Alwala
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/15 at hour 22 and 2013/1/14 at hour
19 is: -1 day(s), -26 hours.-47 minutes. Or total(M) of -1607 minutes
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First, thank you for checking to see if you can help; right now, I need a hand in encouraging people to
actively to participate in completing this crucial survey, by sending reminders or any other methods that
will prove to be effective. If there is need to extend the closing date, no problem! And, in the future, if
need be, you can also participate in creating the surveys and disseminating the results. I can walk you
through the process if you are not yet familiar with it.
My goal is simply to get like-minded people together as you noted in one of your earlier emails. "It looks
like we do waste a lot of time arguing on things of no value. Let's see what happens with the formation
of the Lango Association - North America. If Nothing happens, a coalition of the willing can come
together to discuss developmental issues (Sans politics)."
That said, can you actively take the role of reminding people to complete survey? Let me know if you
have any questions.
Caesar
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/14 at hour 19 and 2013/1/15 at hour
0 is: 0 day(s), 4 hours.19 minutes. Or total(M) of 259 minutes
Although not a member of the Interim Committee, Florence accepts to help with sending
reminders…
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0 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.28 minutes. Or total(M) of 28 minutes
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Hello to all,
Just a quick reminder that you all need to complete the second survey sent out by
Caesar on January 13th as soon as you can. Your responses should be in - at the latest-
by January 19th midnight (whatever your time zone is!). As Caesar already noted,
your vote is very important and we encourage everyone to complete the survey. To
those who have already submitted their responses, I say thank you so very much. To
those who have not, the entire survey will take less than five minutes of your time. It
will be time well invested!
Thank you and hope to see a flurry of survey responses in the next couple of days.
Sincerely,
Florence
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/15 at hour 0 and 2013/1/15 at hour
16 is: 0 day(s), 16 hours.22 minutes. Or total(M) of 982 minutes
From: bmwacha@outlook.com
To: omara44@mchsi.com; gamenyd@att.net; sylvianyana@hotmail.com; mogwal444@hotmail.com;
ocen_florence@yahoo.com; crcf1@yahoo.com; opito.tom@gmail.com; zubco2@gmail.com;
makulloogwal@yahoo.com; bmwacha@hotmail.com; atimalex@hotmail.com; owotc@yahoo.com;
oagona@hotmail.com; mildred.omara@yahoo.com; edisa1@gmail.com; rosehelly@yahoo.com;
dogwang@ugandaembassyus.org; mokwir@hotmail.com; mlagulu@hotmail.com;
amegodorothy@gmail.com; atyang@interlog.com; mamaelder9@aol.com; eloggwal@yahoo.com;
annaayaa@yahoo.com; uayorech@yahoo.ca; apiorehema@yahoo.com; ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com;
araoameny@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Lango Association - yet another constitution!
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 04:51:32 -0500
Dr. Gloria,
I appreciation your acceptance to come back and register your undivided effort to help organising our
community. I have observed that there has been no opposition to mu request to you and your help to
volunter.
I am pleased to say that I beleive members of the community will now begin coming up with proposals
on the committees that we might need for the NGO. I encourage wide participation from all members
and stake holders in this commendable efforts. I will come up with my ideas later for peoples'
consideration.
Mike Ogwal's mail list will go along way to assist us in compilling and including everybody who is
interested in joining us in this efforts. Let us join in to assist in this effort. I have an incomprehensive
listing of the Lango community in the US and Canada. Please work together to get this effort behind us.
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/15 at hour 16 and 2013/1/15 at hour
9 is: 0 day(s), -7 hours.-40 minutes. Or total(M) of -460 minutes
From: mogwal444@hotmail.com
To: bmwacha@outlook.com; omara44@mchsi.com; gamenyd@att.net; sylvianyana@hotmail.com;
ocen_florence@yahoo.com; crcf1@yahoo.com; opito.tom@gmail.com; zubco2@gmail.com;
makulloogwal@yahoo.com; bmwacha@hotmail.com; atimalex@hotmail.com; owotc@yahoo.com;
oagona@hotmail.com; mildred.omara@yahoo.com; edisa1@gmail.com; rosehelly@yahoo.com;
dogwang@ugandaembassyus.org; mokwir@hotmail.com; mlagulu@hotmail.com;
amegodorothy@gmail.com; atyang@interlog.com; mamaelder9@aol.com; eloggwal@yahoo.com;
annaayaa@yahoo.com; uayorech@yahoo.ca; apiorehema@yahoo.com; ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com;
araoameny@gmail.com; mogwal444@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: Lango List
Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 09:11:36 -0600
Hello Ben,
I noted from your letter down here that you have some incomprehensive listing of
the Lango community in the US and Canada. In the spirit of unity, can you please add
those listing to the one I am compiling as this will speed up our work? Once done
please send it to me.
Thanks
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Ogwal
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6 is: 0 day(s), 21 hours.45 minutes. Or total(M) of 1305 minutes
Yes Mike,
I said incomprehensive because whatever I have is already in your list, and your list also has more
information than I have on each individual. So your list is already more comprehensive than I have.
Thank You,
Ben Wacha.
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/16 at hour 6 and 2013/1/16 at hour
14 is: 0 day(s), 7 hours.56 minutes. Or total(M) of 476 minutes
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Hi Ben,
Thank you for your kind words and for asking if I would accept to serve as a member of the team
to form our LANGONA. With honor, I will accept to help our community in its
continued struggle to find a better life in the Americas. That was even partly, why I contributed
my earlier draft of the constitution to the community for consideration.
I am a stickler for work and results though. I have a very busy schedule this semester. I
would suggest Caesar Ogole to serve on the Committee as well. Although I do not know him
personally, I am very impressed thus far with his computer skills and contributions to our on-
going effort. Dr. Gloria Ameny-Dixon was seems as a very good choice to lead the team.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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0 is: 0 day(s), 9 hours.50 minutes. Or total(M) of 590 minutes
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Dr. Gloria,
I had inquired Prof. Omara if he would be willing to serve in the team just as I nominated you to steer
us. I have just received his mail below accepting the offer. I vouch for him to be nominated if it so
pleases you. I have known him and we have been involved in many other such endeauvors before. I
believe he can be a partner well deserving.
Thank you,
Ben.
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18 is: 3 day(s), 30 hours.7 minutes. Or total(M) of 5407 minutes
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Gentlemen,
Absolutely, I will nominate him for one of the positions. Do you know which position he prefers to serve
in? I have sent a message to ask Dr. Ogwal for the updated list of the members with their professions so
that I can complete the nominations.
I sent a message to some of you earlier about positions which need to be filled. I think we need to add
one more essential position to it before I ask for nomination. We need a Development Officer
(Fundraiser or Grant Writer) for the Association to work closely with me and the Treasurer. Over the
years I have written and managed several funded grants but I have very limited time to do this with my
current position. This will help us to begin collecting donations for scholarships, etc... If you know
anyone who is knowledgeable in fundraising, grantwriting or acquisition of funds from donors or
foundations, let me know so that I can nominate him/her for this position.
I think this position is too important to leave out. It will allow us to start helping our own children who
are here as we continue to find ways to support Lango children already here with their parents. This will
also encourage their parents to actively stay involved and support the Association.
Thanks,
---
Gloria Ameny-Dixon, Ph.D.
Home/Fax 937-352-6080
Cell 317-902-1505
Email: gamenyd@att.net
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14 is: -4 day(s), -39 hours.-57 minutes. Or total(M) of -5997 minutes
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From: omara44@mchsi.com
To: bmwacha@outlook.com
Subject: Re: A team to create Lango Association
Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:52:26 -0600
Hi Ben,
Thank you for your kind words and for asking if I would accept to serve as a member of the team to form
our LANGONA. With honor, I will accept to help our community in its continued struggle to find a better
life in the Americas. That was even partly, why I contributed my earlier draft of the constitution to the
community for consideration.
I am a stickler for work and results though. I have a very busy schedule this semester. I would suggest
Caesar Ogole to serve on the Committee as well. Although I do not know him personally, I am very
impressed thus far with his computer skills and contributions to our on-going effort. Dr. Gloria Ameny-
Dixon was seems as a very good choice to lead the team.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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8 is: 0 day(s), 17 hours.26 minutes. Or total(M) of 1046 minutes
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Dear all,
Thank you all for "off-line" contributions and compliments. My brief input to this sup-
group discussion is that all these contributions should be captured in the survey, for
consideration by the members; lest, it preempts and undermines the on-going effort to
encourage inclusive participation. To me, all member member contributions are equally
important at this point.
Thank you,
Caesar Ogole
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/17 at hour 8 and 2013/1/17 at hour
10 is: 0 day(s), 2 hours.10 minutes. Or total(M) of 130 minutes
Thank you for the good job you are both doing. I would suggest the we appoint an "add oc" committee
at this time to avoid duplication of duties. If Mike's list is more comprehensive, lets allow Mike to
continue serving the role of "interim secretary" until our meeting in June when we will hold our first
face-to-face elections.
Ben, if you don't mind, you can help us to begin working on developing a simple membership form that
members will use when we submit our dues. Working on the dues now is essential because we are going
to need funds to make the association a legal,non-profit" entity, so that we are in compliance with the
IRS. The lawyers and accountants on the team probably know this already. We need to begin compiling
the documents to allow us to gain 501(3c) status. We will need one of the lawyers on the team to lead
our effort on getting the 501(3c) status and an accountant to serve as a treasurer. Perhaps Ben can serve
role of "interim treasurer" after he gets the complete list from Mike.
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Nominations or volunteers are needed to serve other roles so that we can set the ball rolling. The
lawyer(s) also needs to proof-read the constitutions already proposed to make recommendations on
completeness, before we vote online to select from one of the constitutions.
Omego bede amego ducu, all I am saying is there is plenty of work to do and we do not need to step on
each other to make this work. I have a meeting in a few minutes, so I need to go now. You all have a
great day!
Gloria
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21 is: 3 day(s), 23 hours.18 minutes. Or total(M) of 4998 minutes
Thank you very much for all of your confidence in me. However, I am interested only in my
continued active contribution to the creation of our Association as a regular member at this time.
Carokop a Lango kobo ni "oyoo alwak pe golo oot!" I strongly believe that the three of you (Drs
Ameny-Dixon and Ogwal and Mr. Ben Wacha plus, hopefully, one additional woman on the
team, - Ms. Florence Ocen?) are more than enough interim officers of the Association at this
time.
Omara-Alwala
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22 is: 1 day(s), 24 hours.20 minutes. Or total(M) of 1460 minutes
Professor
Apwoyo winyo iboti. I hope you can continue supporting the Association as a member at-large.
Thanks,
Dr. Gloria Ameny-Dixon
Sent from my iPad
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22 is: -4 day(s), -36 hours.-1 minutes. Or total(M) of -5761 minutes
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Good evening Caesar, just checking whether there have been any additional responses. I am
going to send a targeted mail this evening only to those people who have not responded. So I am
wondering whether there are any new additions since last night.
Thanks,
Florence
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0 is: 0 day(s), -21 hours.-36 minutes. Or total(M) of -1296 minutes
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Ok guys, I am not feeling the love here! There are still quite a number of people who
have not yet submitted their survey responses. I do appreciate the fact that people are
really busy but as I said before, the entire survey - including firing up your laptop,
IPad or whatever gadget you are using- will take less than five minutes of your time.
Get this survey out of the way and you will be glad you did! For those of you whose
inboxes are loaded with unread mail, the survey was sent by Caesar on January 13th-
you can just zero-in on the survey and continue to ignore your overflowing inbox!
Again, to those who have already sent in their responses, thank you very much!
Cheers!
Florence
Meanwhile … this is when I got to understand Ben (part of the Interim Committee) was
playing a big role in getting things together
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8 is: 0 day(s), 8 hours.28 minutes. Or total(M) of 508 minutes
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1 is: 0 day(s), 16 hours.20 minutes. Or total(M) of 980 minutes
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Cc: Thomas Omara-Alwala ; Sylvia Nyana ; Florence Ocen ; Betty Odero ; Tom Opito ; Adam Odwar ;
Millie Ogwal ; Magomu Ben Wacha ; Alex Atim ; Charles Owot ; Mark Odyek Agona ;
mildred.omara@yahoo.com ; Edisa Kema ; rosehelly@yahoo.com ; Ambassada Dick Ogwang ; Mike
Okwir ; Margaret Jato ; Dorothy Adero ; George Atyang ; Engola Omodi ; Emmy Ogwal ; Anna Aya ; Ayo
Orech ; Rehema Apio ; ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com ; Arao Ameny ; Charles Ogole ; Mike Ogwal
Dr. Gloria,
Thank you for nominating me to serve as the "interim Secretary General" for the "ad
oc" committe for our Langona/LANA formation. I will gladly take it. You stated that
we need to begin compiling the documents to allow us to gain 501(3c) status. I am
very familiar with that process. I did it for my own Buisness "Natural Health &
Healing Institute" a couple of years ago and got upgraded from a regular NFP to
a 501c(3) organization. I know what it takes to get the IRS to give us that status. Once
we get organized, we can either register LANA/LANGONA as an
"International/ Foreign Orginaztion" or just hold it as a "Local Organization". There
are pros and cons for both. I also have in my possession, a copy of the LAUK
constitution which I was given in 2007 after the conference. Magomu Ben Wacha
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recived a copy , modified and put it out two weeks ago. We can use Wacha's
version, LAUK's version or the proposal outlined by Professor Thomas to craft our on
US-based constitution. Everything is open.
Once organized, and we have a US gov recognized 501 c(3/4/5) status, my goal will
be to propose to Langi in NA the establishment of another Lango University using a
Federal Grant from the USA gov. A Special Education committe will be appointed for
this task, among other committees. Example: In 1994/5, I developed a proposal to
build a University in Lango District. I was just a graduate student then. (I acted alone
beausce I did not know about many Langis in NA as I now know). I managed to
convince my University of Illinois leadershp to throw its weight behind me and the
proposal was quickly approved by the USAID. Step two: We flew in late PM Adyebo
to come on behalf of Uganda gov, to Illinois to sign the $20 million donated by the
US gov for the construction of Lango University . Adyebo was joined by the then
Uganda Ambassador to Us, Mr. Katende Apuli. The University was birthed and
named "Northern Uganda Agricultural University". The site for construction was to
be Ngeta DFI. Unfortunately, once the plan arrived Kampala, politics erupted and all
hell was let lose to kill it. Ms Betty Bigome who was then the Northern Uganda
Development officer in Adyebo's office at the time, with support of "who knows?"
stole the plan. She took it to their home in Alokolum, Gulu. Lango lost. I cried bad.
That is what we call "Gulu University" today. My tears are dried and I am back in the
boxing ring one more time. With your support, we can do the same again, now that I
am seeing otin Langi in NA ready to join hands together and work for our region.
We have never stopped dreaming for the development of our home. In 2008, my
wife and I drafted another plan again for another University in Lango. This was a
follow up of the LAUK 07 conference. In 2009, We found two Britsh Universities
ready to support our plan. A draft proposal was devepled and taken to Lango. I
warned the British of what happened in 1994/5 (Ref: the University plan being
stollen or killed). To ensure we didn't lose the plan again, this time, we involved our
Lango Cultural Leader Won Nyaci Yocam Odur and All the Langi Parliamentarian
group (LPG). The plan needed a 600 acre land to build the University. Ngeta DFI was
chosen again as the proposed site for the University. But, The power that be "killed
the plan" again, despite assurances from LC5 Franco Ojur, that the Land was free and
available. We did not give up. We moved to Loro farm. They followed the British
there too and "killed the idea". I am wondering why Won Nyaci did not raise the
idea up during his recent visit to Washington. You will be given details of what
happened when you show up for our conference in Illinois.
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Why am I bringing all this information to your notice at this time? So that you be
aware of potential obstacles ahead of us.
Vice President Gloria Dixon-Ameny, Professor Thomas wota Alwala, UN Diplomat Dr.
Odyek Agona, UN Diplomat Margaret Jato, UN Diplomat Arao Ameny, Gov Policy
Advisor Florence Ocen, Strategic Business Development Expert Adam Odwar,
Businessman Magomu Ben Wacha, Business Leader Ayo Orech, Diplomat Dickson
Ogwang, Diplomat R Nam, Diplomat Sam Omara, Ph.D Candidate Rehema Apio, Ph.D
Candidate & Computer Guru Caeser Ogole, Chief Librarian & Researcher sylvia
Nyana, Real Estate Development & Computer Expert Hudson Ayo, ITC and
Businesswoman Dorothy Adero, Nurses, Caregivers, Langi Academicans in various
institutions in NA, Businessmen and women, Mothers and Fathers, and all other
Langi professionals residing in NA, please come to Illinois prepared and loaded for
brain storming of the highest order. We got work to do. We can do many good
things together and transform Lango if we put our heads and hearts together. May
be we can start with obtaining funding to acqiure a Supermarket here in the US to
support our families, Start a Lango Academy in th US, etc. The sky is the limit. Please
read the Book of Nehemia and understand it well before you come.
Now that I have accepted to be your "Interim Secretary General", I am going ahead
with drafting the agenda for the conference. I will also put up a tentative Date and
Venue of the meeting. You will all receive a copy to think through and add as you
please.
Apwoyo
Ogwal
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Quick clarification: My position and title is NOT as reported by Brother (or Father? ) Mike
Ogwal although I would love it to hold those fancy things... All else, no comment. :)
Caesar Ogole
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/18 at hour 3 and 2013/1/18 at hour
11 is: 0 day(s), 8 hours.2 minutes. Or total(M) of 482 minutes
Hello Caeser,
Sorry for the error. I have corrected your tiltle
Thanks
Ogwal
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/18 at hour 11 and 2013/1/18 at hour
11 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.-3 minutes. Or total(M) of -3 minutes
Dear All,
Just a quick correction: I was nominated for an "Interim Secretary", NOT
"Interim Secretary General". There is a difference between the two. So Please
note that my role right now is an "Interim Secretary" . Please take note of the
correction. Dr. Gloria is the "Interim Secretary General". Flo thank you for
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spoting that error. The same correction goes for Caeser too. I have corrected
your Interim title as well. Thanks.
Apwoyo
Ogwal
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3 is: 0 day(s), -7 hours.-59 minutes. Or total(M) of -479 minutes
Quick clarification: My position and title is NOT as reported by Brother (or Father? ) Mike
Ogwal although I would love it to hold those fancy things... All else, no comment. :)
Caesar Ogole
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/18 at hour 3 and 2013/1/18 at hour
11 is: 0 day(s), 8 hours.2 minutes. Or total(M) of 482 minutes
Hello Caeser,
Sorry for the error. I have corrected your tiltle
Thanks
Ogwal
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15 is: 0 day(s), 4 hours.40 minutes. Or total(M) of 280 minutes
Dear Mike,
Thanks to you and the other compatriots for pushing this forward with a lot of zeal. You all have
my support. I also support the nominations that have been made so far; knowing that when
the Association is launched with a fully fledged constitution and structure, formal elections will
be conducted. We should reserve a few higher level positions for our elders (I still recall with a
lot of pride the work Prof. Thomas Omara-Alwala undertook recently on our behalf.)
I must also record my support for the consensus that seems to be emerging around education
improvement in Lango. A University is a good asset but it is a rather long-term project but still
worth other tries. I think we should also think of some quicker initiatives (like a
bursary/scholarship fund that has already been proposed by others (Gloria?) for instance). We
should also not look at the sector in a limited way; teachers and parents are very important if we
want sustainable education improvement. I hope some of our contributions in the end will also be
intellectual (they are the most sustainable).
On establishing and inaugurating the Association, we should weigh the cost of a face to face
meeting (it is in principle a very good idea) against committing funds that would have been spent
on it towards an immediate initiative. I will defer to any consensus that will emerge on this one
and understand that a launching meeting may be inevitable. My preference is summer for such a
meeting.
Some corrections:
Name: Mr. Odyek Agona
Title: Economic Affairs Officer, UN Department of Economic and Social Affairs, New York
Origin: Lira/Apac Districts
I thought I should register that I am following this very important conversation and will
participate actively whenever time permits. There are a few more Langi in the US that I know
and I will forward this email to them.
Odyek
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15 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.-28 minutes. Or total(M) of -28 minutes
From: omara44@mchsi.com
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Subject: Re: Lango Must Rise and Shine Again.
Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 15:29:34 -0600
Dear All,
I am very happy to see you thrilled about the unlimited opportunities our Association could bring, esp. to
our homeland of Lango after it is formed (e.g. Dr. Ogwal's great proposal idea of a Lango University, etc,
etc). However, we must create the Association first.
I suggest we focus and concentrate all our collective efforts on the "first thing first", which is the
establishment of the organization itself; everything else is irrelevant, or it is a distraction at this time!
Upon the successful formation of the Association, the next step is to organize the inaugural general
meeting of the Association in Illinois, which we cannot discuss at this time before the Organization is
legal; up and running.
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Wad wu,
Omara-Alwala
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17 is: 0 day(s), 1 hours.31 minutes. Or total(M) of 91 minutes
Dear Prof.,
You raise a very important point that I had personally not reflected on: I just work in the US; do I qualify
as a Lango in the diaspora? This is a fundamental question that the should be kept in mind as the
constitution of the Lango association in the US/Americas is considered. It has implications for the way
we approach everything about the association.
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Odyek
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19 is: 0 day(s), 2 hours.37 minutes. Or total(M) of 157 minutes
Hi Brother Odyek,
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Your concern is very important. Please allow me to share it below with everybody, including my personal
response to it. I hope our fellow brothers and sisters in the Diaspora will agree with my answer to your
question, a point for inclusion in our constitution:
Your full message is included below for members to read for themselves. You asked in part, “I just work
in the US; do I qualify as a Lango in the diaspora?"
Let me be clear. A Lango is a Lango where ever, he or she, may be. A Lango Diaspora includes
every Lango in the Diaspora regardless of their immigration status in the country of their residence,
work, or school. There shall be no discrimination of any kind in our Lango Association. The Association
shall decide the programs and activities of the Association.
I could continue but let me hope that I have laid your concern to rest.
Apwoyo meri atek twatwal. Mede kede anyim!
Kuc ked yot kom i mwaka anyen,
Wadwu,
Omara-Alwala
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21 is: 0 day(s), 1 hours.39 minutes. Or total(M) of 99 minutes
Omina Omara,
I did not hit the reply to all button inadvertently but I intended to share my concern with all; and
your prompt response is reassuring. Being a Lango by origin can not be denied or changed. All
other attributes are changeable. Given your opinion as I understood it, I had to seek clarification.
On the other hand, this is a very positive way of broadening our understanding of what we hope
to accomplish. I remain very open minded to all views, and as somebody rightly pointed out, not
everybody has given their opinions yet. Our last experience really worries me and we should do
everything possible to avoid a similar experience.
Odyek
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22 is: 0 day(s), 1 hours.42 minutes. Or total(M) of 102 minutes
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Omina Odyek,
"Our last experience really worries me and we should do everything possible to avoid a similar
experience." Well said! I could not agree with you more.
As long as our Association puts in appropriate checks and balances in its constitution or the by-laws to
prevent external interference with it, you should let your heart not be troubled.
Omara-Alwala
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I have had time to read all messages and would like to respond to all in a few points:
1. I would like to thank those who have accepted our nominations and agreed to serve in the
interim to help in the establishment of the Association.
2. I appreciate Caesar's honesty of not being able to serve at this time. I hope he will consider
serving the Association in other ways.
3. I would like to encourage all members (serving in the interim) as well as members at large to
stay focused on the establishment of the Association first, then we will together determine the
priorities, short-term and long-term goals.
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4. Let's all remember Jim Collin's advise about great organizations and the leadership that make
them great, when he stated: "Greatness is not a function of circumstance, greatness is mainly a
matter of conscious choice and discipline". Many of us academia and the business industry are
familiar with Jim Collin's book "Good to Great". I would suggest any member of the Lango
Association who is interested in the progress of the Lango Association and in his/her own
personal leadership development to read this book.
5. I would also like to ask that we stay respectful and kind to each all communications brief as
we move forward. We do not lose other members in the process. Personal communications can
be kept off the record (or off this forum).
Have a Great Inauguration and Martin Luther King, Jr. weekend everyone!
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I have had time to read all messages and would like to respond to all in a few points:
1. I would like to thank those who have accepted our nominations and agreed to serve in the
interim to help in the establishment of the Association.
2. I appreciate Caesar's honesty of not being able to serve at this time. I hope he will consider
serving the Association in other ways.
3. I would like to encourage all members (serving in the interim as well as members at large) to
stay focused on the establishment of the Association first, then we will together determine the
priorities, short-term and long-term goals.
4. Let's all remember Jim Collin's advise about great organizations and the leadership that make
them great, when he stated: "Greatness is not a function of circumstance, greatness is mainly a
matter of conscious choice and discipline". Many of us academia and the business industry are
familiar with Jim Collin's book "Good to Great". I would suggest any member of the Lango
Association who is interested in the progress of the Lango Association and in his/her own
personal leadership development to read this book.
5. I would also like to ask that we stay respectful and kind to each other in all communications,
keeping them brief as we move forward. We do not lose other members in the process. Personal
communications can be kept off the record (or off this forum).
Have a Great Inauguration and Martin Luther King, Jr. weekend everyone!
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9 is: -1 day(s), -26 hours.-22 minutes. Or total(M) of -1582 minutes
Hello Florence,
Sorry I didn't get back to you immediately. As you noted, the wealth of ideas gathered from the
people is very important. I plan to send the results to you first, as scheduled (in the early AMs)
Sunday.
My only reason to hold back from active participation is that I do not like the likely (but
otherwise unintended) impression to people that there are parallel subgroups in the hind scenes.
Forwarded below is all I know before all those other emails started coming in. You can see my
response in the loop. (Only for your consumption).
Back to survey results, you don't have to worry. It is automatically tabulated, and the summary
charts are automatically created. It takes literally only one minute to have it all together. I will
send the results to you, and you will compose an appropriate message and send to the audience.
(Part of the confusion is whether relaying the results seen as going against the powers of the
'interim committee', etc ).
Thanks,
Caear
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/19 at hour 9 and 2013/1/20 at hour
17 is: 1 day(s), 32 hours.3 minutes. Or total(M) of 1923 minutes
54% of the members prefer one Lango Association of North America (which represents
the region of North America)
62% prefer to have the headquarters of the Lango Association of North America located
in the U.S
46% prefer to have the general meeting of the Lango Association of North America once
a year
69% prefer that the first IL conference be held in the Summer 2013
54% (7 out of 13) stated that the adoption of the constitution should not be deferred until
the summer meeting. They prefer a Committee to be selected to draft the constitution
before the first general meeting
77% stated that a volunteer caretaker executive committee should be instituted
46% stated that on line voting should be used in the event that we decide to go forward
with the elections
54% stated that they are interested in being part of Areas Chapters of the Lango
Association of North America
Suggestions were made on the amount members should pay for membership fees (item
needs to be put to a vote)
Suggestions were made on annual dues and subscription fees (item needs to be put to
a vote)
Locations of likely Area Chapter (A decision may be needed on minimum number of
members to form an area chapter)
Request the Interim Secretary (Dr. Mike Ogwal) to enter these results on the record of the
Lango Association of North America
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Attachment:
By Country (Separate Lango Association in USA, Lango Association in Canada, etc) (0)0%
By Region (One Lango Association in North America) (7) 54%
By Hemisphere (One Lango Association in Americas) (6 ) 46%
3. Based on your response to Question 1 above, where should the Lango Association be
headquartered?
6. Should the creation and adoption of the Constitution be deferred until after the Illinois
Conference is held, and when the composition of the Association is clearer?
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Yes, let us defer the adoption of the Constitution until the composition of the Association
becomes clear after the Illinois Conference. (6) 46%
No, we should not defer adoption of the Constitution. (A committee should be elected to draft the
Constitution, even before the first General meeting) (7) 54%
8. In the event that we decide to go forward with elections, how should we conduct
elections of officials of the association?
By proxy (3 ) 23%
By online voting (6) 46%
By secret ballot in person (4) 31%
$0
100 USD ?
9. Would you be interested in being part of an Area Chapter of the Lango Association in
your locality?
11. If you answered 'Yes' in Question 10 above, what would the Area Chapter likely be?
Texas Consisting of members living in that area with leadership structure as the main
association.
Ohio
Ontario Chapter may be?
Open
Another grassroots presence
New York City area
New York
Subject: Re: Results of the Survey Responses from Members of the Lango Association of North
America
To: "Dr. Gloria Ameny-Dixon" <gamenyd@att.net>
Cc: Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>, Odyek Agona <oagona@hotmail.com>,
Mikele Ogwal <mogwal444@hotmail.com>, Ben Magamo Wacha <bmwacha@outlook.com>,
Sylvia Nyana <sylvianyana@hotmail.com>, Betty ODero <crcf1@yahoo.com>, Tom Opito
<opito.tom@gmail.com>, Adam Odwar <zubco2@gmail.com>, Millie Ogwal
<makulloogwal@yahoo.com>, "<bmwacha@hotmail.com>" <bmwacha@hotmail.com>, Atim
Alex <atimalex@hotmail.com>, "<owotc@yahoo.com>" <owotc@yahoo.com>,
"<mildred.omara@yahoo.com>" <mildred.omara@yahoo.com>, Edisa Kema
<edisa1@gmail.com>, "<rosehelly@yahoo.com>" <rosehelly@yahoo.com>,
"<dogwang@ugandaembassyus.org>" <dogwang@ugandaembassyus.org>,
"<mokwir@hotmail.com>" <mokwir@hotmail.com>, Margaret Odoch-Jato
<mlagulu@hotmail.com>, Amego Dorothy <amegodorothy@gmail.com>,
"<atyang@interlog.com>" <atyang@interlog.com>, Engola <mamaelder9@aol.com>,
"<eloggwal@yahoo.com>" <eloggwal@yahoo.com>, "<annaayaa@yahoo.com>"
<annaayaa@yahoo.com>, "<uayorech@yahoo.ca>" <uayorech@yahoo.ca>, Rehema Apio
<apiorehema@yahoo.com>, "<ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>" <ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, Arao
Ameny <araoameny@gmail.com>, "<cogole@gmail.com>" <cogole@gmail.com>
Thank you Dr. Ameny-Dixon, it was my pleasure to work with Caesar on this survey and I
would like to say that it was actually Caesar who did the "heavy lifting" here. I just assisted
where necessary.
I would also like to say thank you once again to all those who took the time to respond. I
appreciate that many people are quite busy but it is important to have your voice heard in an
association such as this. At this time (probably until the Illinois conference), surveys are the
chosen means of reaching consensus therefore more people need to participate for better
representation. If anyone has concerns about participating in the surveys, please let Dr. Ameny-
Dixon know so that those concerns can be addressed before the next survey.
Sincerely,
Florence
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23 is: 0 day(s), 6 hours.21 minutes. Or total(M) of 381 minutes
Rather, - Dr. Ameny Dixon, Ms. Ocen's modesty is what I would like to emulate. To
neutralize it all, it is all about concerted effort - if those artifacts (survey results) ever mattered at
all.
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/21 at hour 5 and 2013/1/20 at hour
18 is: 0 day(s), -11 hours.-50 minutes. Or total(M) of -710 minutes
I apologize for my late reply to your message. I did not see this message until today; it had gone
directly to my junk mail. Yes, I am very sensitive to gender disparity and I have contacted several sisters
to ask if they can serve on the interim executive committee. I am still waiting for their reply. At this time,
we need the following positions filled to effectively move forward:
Association's Research Officer (I have contacted Florence Ocen for this position, since she has
worked with Caesar Ogole to conduct the first surveys)
Association's Counsel (a lawyer would be preferred, who can serve as the legal counsel for the
association; to review the constitution before we vote on it and all future legal documents)
Association's Webmaster (or web designer)
Association's Public Relations Officer/Spokesperson (we can combine this position with the
webmaster position if the person has the knowledge and skills to serve as both)
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I am also being sensitive to nepotism and I have not asked my daughter (Arao Ameny) who would have
done a great job as the Public Relations officer for the Lango Association. She is journalist and currently
works for the United nations covering the news on "Africa Renewal". So if you know Ugandan
Ladies who would appropriately fill these positions, even if they are not listed as members yet, let me
know so that I can contact them.
Jojok amalo!
---
Gloria Ameny-Dixon, Ph.D.
Home/Fax 937-352-6080
Cell 317-902-1505
Email: gamenyd@att.net
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Gloria Ameny-Dixon,
I understand your reason for not responding to may message early. It happens to me all the time. As a
result, I no longer treat my junk mail folder as a junk mail but just as another inbox folder!
Apwoyo,
Omara-Alwala
Cell (317) 902-1505
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**The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/21 at hour 8 and 2013/1/21 at hour
10 is: 0 day(s), 2 hours.14 minutes. Or total(M) of 134 minutes
Brother Caesar & Sister Florence, I just want to say thanks to both of you for stepping out from
the sidelines by using ICT to move us forward faster. Due to your actions, we can even see our
ancestors smiling from above because you helped us do this without any travel. Henceforth, as a
community, our ongoing participation in the execution of this vital excercise serves to move us
forward faster in real time while saving time and money.
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Thanks to all those who pitched in. Your responsive actions have helped to transform this reality
into a noble opportunity for us to forge on. As has been noted in the past we can't outsource our
responsibility and excuse isn't an option for us anymore. Yes together we can turn this huge
breast code named "Heavy Lifting" into delicious lunch meat, one bite at a time.
To our Sister Gloria your active presence in the house has, on the navigation bridge, has already
made a big welcomed difference. For this we are all very grateful.
Apwoyo,
Hudson
Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile
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Brother Hudson,
Very kind words from you! Thank you much for all the support! Let's keep working together as
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you noted.
Best regards,
Caesar Ogole
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Hi Florence,
Hoping that this email finds you and your family well. I want to say what an awesome
job you're doing with our Lango Association! Listen, can you kindly direct me to the
person(s) who has sent out the surveys and the person(s) who is updating the contact
list?
My father (Dr. Omodi Engola) has not received his survey, plus his email address had
not been updated on the contact and email list(s). I've sent out his updated email to
several people in the group, however I see that it hasn't been corrected.
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Sorry for troubling you with this administrative matter, you are my last hope at this
juncture.
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20 is: 0 day(s), -22 hours.-15 minutes. Or total(M) of -1335 minutes
Edisa,
Below is the link for the survey. Ask your Dad (I have copied him on this e-mail as well)
to click on the link below. The link will open up the survey online and he can complete it
online. If for some reason he is not able to access the survey online, please contact
Caesar(whom I also copied here and his e-mail address is above on the cc line). He will
then be able to send you a copy of the survey. The online version is the exact same as
the one Caesar would send you.
I will also let the Executive Team know that your Dad needs to be added onto the
contact list. Please let me know if you run into technical difficulties with the survey.
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Survey access:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?
formkey=dHpfQlFnaXNmR3JnWXV4U2hVOUwtelE6MQ
Sincerely,
Florence
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Dear All,
I just sent to Dr. Omodi Engola (email: mamaelder9@gmail.com ) the survey form. As Florence
already mentioned, one could access the survey through the URL/link that was provided.
We are just at the initial stages of putting together things and I am afraid your request for email
update could have disappeared somewhere.
Sincere apologies.
Regards,
Caesar
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Dear All,
In addition, I took the liberty to propose that the Board of Directors (officers) be elected every
second year by the members of the Association, with a limitation of two terms indicated only for
the Chair of the Board.
Please read this second draft of the constitution carefully and suggest a change, if any, for
a further revision. A constitution is a living document. There is no need for us to retain an
attorney at an exorbitant fee if we can come up with an acceptable constitution ourselves; I mean
just to get us started on a legal footing. Afterall, the majority of you who completed the
recent survey stated that the adoption of the constitution should not be deferred until the summer
meeting.
Mera me nono!
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Apwoyo,
Omara-Alwala
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Dear Caesar,
I appreciate your great review comments on the draft constitution. My response in purple is to each of your questions in red (See
attached). If you have more questions, please do not hesitate to let me know.
Thank you,
Omara-Alwala
I wasn't sure how the discussion will proceed. I thought the Draft Constitution proposed by Prof. Omara was excellent. I had a
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view similar to his - that this Constitution will evolve with time, in any case.
I have only a handful of questions pertaining interpretation of some parts of the Draft. My questions do not necessarily suggest
changes should be made to the texts in the draft. I have highlighted them below.
Caesar Ogole
CONSTITUTION OF THE LANGO ASSOCIATION OF NORTH AMERICA
ARTICLE 3 - MEMBERSHIP
1. Section 1. Founding Membership.
I am looking at the following phrase:
“provided that the founding members may correct the base membership roll within one year following the adoption of this
Constitution.”
Is this phrase to imply that a newly enrolled member will be added to the list of founding members as long as the new member
joins within one year from the date the Constitution is adopted?
Answer: Yes! However, if you have a better way of saying it, please write it down and send it to me.
2. Section 5. Qualifications for Board of Directors. Any enrolled member of the Lango Association of North America who is
eighteen (18) years of age or older and living in North America, shall be qualified to hold membership on the Board of
Directors.
What exactly does it take to be an “enrolled member” of the Lango Association of North America?
Answer: An “enrolled member” of the Lango Association of North America is an eligible individual to the membership who has
paid the membership fee to become a member.
3. Section 6. Terms of Officers. The officers and Board members shall hold office for a term of two years. The terms of the eight
(8) Board members shall be staggered.
Kindly explain what the italicized sentence means
Answer: Staggered Terms: The scheduling of terms of office so that not all members of a body are selected at the same time.
Staggered terms tend to have the effect of creating relative stability in organizations. I have attempted to clarify this in the draft
constitution .
Answer: “That very day of the election” though the handing over exercise may take a few days to complete following the
election
ARTICLE 6 - MEETINGS
…. In the event that the Board fails to call for a meeting election upon receiving a petition by the Association membership,
Association members may hold an Association membership meeting to address the issue.
“meeting election” – or “an election meeting” ?
Answer: The intent remains the same. My way, the emphasis is the election; your way, the stress is the meeting. Take your pick!
ARTICLE 7 - REMOVAL, RECALL, FORFEITURE, VACANCIES
Section 4. Vacancies. Any vacancy in the Lango Association of North America Board of Directors shall be filled by appointment
by a quorum of the Board of Directors. A Board of Directors member filling a vacancy shall serve for the unexpired potion of the
term of his or her predecessor.
I suppose you mean “portion”, not “potion”
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Answer: The operating word is secret. It should not matter whichever method is preferred for voting.
Section 3. Board of Directors Elections. The Board of Directors shall set a date, where and how every year for regular elections
to be held, and shall give at least two (2) weeks Notice of such elections, announced to the membership. If the Board of Directors
fails to hold Board of Directors Elections the Association membership may hold an Association membership meeting upon
gathering a petition signed by at least thirty percent (30%) of the voting Association members.
I understand the word says “at least”. However, I imagine that two (2) weeks notice would be a short one for such as important
cause.
ARTICLE 10 - POWERS RESERVED TO MEMBERSHIP
Section 1. Association Lands. The following powers are specifically reserved to the qualified voters of the Lango Association of
North America acting through an Association membership meeting or a properly called election:
(a) No lands or interests in lands owed by the Association may be sold, or disposed of without the favorable vote of at least a
majority of the qualified voters.
“owned” rather than “owed”.
Answer: Yes! Correction made.
Thank you,
Caesar Ogole
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Hi Caesar,
I share your sentiments. Find attached my response (in blue) to them.
Still, if something new crosses your eyes, pl. let me know.
Omara-Alwala
ARTICLE 3 - MEMBERSHIP
1. Section 1. Founding Membership.
I am looking at the following phrase:
“provided that the founding members may correct the base membership roll within one year following the adoption
of this Constitution.”
Is this phrase to imply that a newly enrolled member will be added to the list of founding members as long as the
new member joins within one year from the date the Constitution is adopted?
Answer: Yes! However, if you have a better way of saying it, please write it down and send it to me.
My view:
I think the phrasing is good “as is”. I am rather critical about the large window of one year that the Constitution, if
adopted as is, would give to the potential founding members. In a way, a window of one year would encourage
potential members to be reluctant in (at least) joining the Association at this very early stage when we need them
the most. My reasoning is that a good number of people would take advantage of this provision to wait all these
months until they are certain the Association has gained stability. I would regard such a strategy as “not patriotic”
and therefore not deserving of the “founding member” title.
My suggestion would be to reduce it to 3 months (or so). Often times, a founding member has the roller
coaster experience. It is just a suggestion, also aimed at getting more members to participate at these
early stages.
Answer: You make an excellent point. I agree with you that the strategy is subject to abuse. In a legitimate case, of
a person, who could not make it to the inaugural meeting for reasons beyond their control, a grace period not to
exceed 30 days following the inauguration of the Association is enough! I will revise the draft the
To read as follows:
Section 1. Founding Membership. The membership of the Lango Association of North America shall consist of all
the Lango extracts of Uganda whose names appear on the base membership roll adopted by the Association
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founding members at the passage of this Constitution, provided that the founding members may correct the base
membership roll within thirty (30) days following the adoption of this Constitution.
Caesar Ogole
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Hi, I've made changes to the Office doc "Lango Association of North America -
Constitution.docx" stored on SkyDrive. My changes appear in red.
Alif-Lam-Mim-Ra.....
Benjamin M. Wacha.
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Dear Ben,
Article 3. Section 5. Dual Membership. Dual enrollment to other ethnic organizations is permitted. (Let
us clarify whether this dual membership is allowed to extend to holding any offices, and determine
whether the enrollment is honorary or otherwise; status or qualification in light of privacy and anti-trust
agreement)
My resposnse: People belong to all kinds of organization out there. As long as they abide by our
constittution and bye-laws, does it really matter that they belong to other organizations at the
same time? I am thinking of bi-ethnic/racial members of our community.
Section 6. Membership Fees and dues. The Board of Directors shall ratify and sign into existence
a mandatory fees for member registration and subscription.
Finally, you seem to equate North America with The Americas. The two are in fact very
diferent. The Americas includes North America as well as South America and the Carribean
islands, which makes it the entire Western Hemisphere. Our survey result indcates the members
only want the Association to include only the North American region.
Apwoyo,
Omara-Alwala
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0 is: 0 day(s), 7 hours.22 minutes. Or total(M) of 442 minutes
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From: ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com
To: Thomas R. Omara-Alwala ; Benjamin Wacha ; Gloria Ameny-Dixon ; Odyek Agona ; Dr Mike Ogwal ;
Benjamin Wacha ; Sylvia Nyana ; Florence Ocen ; Betty O'Dero ; Tom Opito ; Adam Odwar ; Mildred
Akullu ; Atim Alex ; Charles Owot ; Mildred Omara ; Edisa Engola Kema ; Hellen Apio ; Dickson Ogwang ;
Mike Okwir ; Margaret Odoch ; Amego Dorothy Adero ; George Atyang ; Mama Elder ; EL Oggwal ; Anna
Ayaa ; Ayo Orech ; Ms. Rehema Apio ; Ms. Arao Ameny ; Caesar Ogole
At this time even if we only bundled Canada and US together we still don't have sufficient numbers to
immediately run a self sustaining organization with all the important efficiencies in place. It's clear an
isolationist tilt towards just North America will not serve us very well. I thus fail to understand why this
early in the game we are making it harder for any other prospective member outside Canada/USA to
join with us. We don't really expect much from the Caribbean or Latin America but it still makes strategic
sense for us welcome any of our sisters or brothers who are already based in the Americas to join us.
Remember with a bigger house, as community, we will be able to do more while keeping cost down to a
reasonable minimum. With a large number we'll attain critical mass much faster.
If need be may I suggest asking the house to vote on how to constitute the house geographically? Yes
there is high justification for us to consider what's prudent and practical as we focus on creating a self
sustaining non profit organization.
Respectfully,
Hudson Ayo
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Brother Hudson,
We do not have a Lango Association thus far. Our latest survey of those who are interested in
forming such an Association showed that 54% of them preferred one Lango Association of North
America.
The exact survey question was, "Do you prefer Association by Country, Region or
Hemisphere?” The response in numbers and percentages of the respondents were as
follows:
By Country (Separate Lango Association in USA, Lango Association in Canada, etc) (0) 0%
By Region (One Lango Association in North America) (7) 54%
The above results clearly indicate that of the well over 70 people surveyed only 13 of them
responded; a very small number and percentage in deed. Why? Nobody knows for sure but you
cannot rule out a lack of interest as a contributing factor to the low number of respondents. The
results also unmistakably show that the respondents are not interested in forming an association
by country or by Hemisphere (the Americas).
If you believe in democracy, you will accept that elections have consequences. One of the
consequences our latest survey is that the majority of the respondents prefer one Lango
Association of North America and not of the Americas.
I suggest we accept the majority opinion and move on. Let us think big for the future but act
little for the present in order to get this Association off the ground and up to a good start in the
first place.
Jojok amalo,
Omara-Alwala
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Got it and I appreciate the clarification. Perhaps at formation the door could be kept open to those not
far from the vicinity of North America to join. Anyway let's continue to move the ball forward.
Thank,
Hudson
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Dear All,
As the discussion on our constitiution continues, I would like to suggest that you take
a look at a copy of the LA UK consitition attached, and check if there is anything we
can learn or extract from, and add to ours. My point is: Sometimes, there is no need
to re-invent a wheel which has a lready been invented.
Thanks
Ogwal,
Interim Secretary
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It is not the case that we are struggling to re-invent the wheel, if anything. I thoroughly read
through the (draft) Constitution proposed by Prof. Omara, and, to me, it appears to be original
and complete. (Of course, it is on the table for discussion if anyone has a thing to augment, etc).
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I have to admit that I found the language level a bit over my head but the beauty is that no one
is stopping the other from asking a question, if anything is not clear. Variety is a spice of/to life.
To copy and paste (even with modification) the UK constitution to N. America, is an idea that I
will not support.
Caesar
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I hope this message finds you all well and resting after a very busy week. I am following the discussions
that are going on about the constitution. Based on the results from our recent votes, where there was a
consensus that a constitution needs to be developed before the summer, I am reiterating my call to the
legal experts who are members of the association. I need experienced lawyers to review the constitution
documents that currently on the table. While I agree that we do not need an expensive lawyer to do this
for us, I also think it will be unwise to vote of documents that have not been reviewed by a legal expert. I
would like to appeal to lawyers on the Association to contact me as soon as possible so that we can
bring this matter to a close. We can put this to a vote but it would not be wise to vote at this point
without a thorough review of each document for completeness so that we cover all our bases if we plan
to applying for non-profit or 501 c (3) status for the Lango Association.
With this said, I am attaching to this message the latest list of the membership of the Lango Association
of North America. You will quickly see that most of the members have not submitted information about
their professions and this makes it difficult for us to seek legal counsel or any other expert advise from
members among us when we need their expert advise. I am, therefore, kindly requesting every
member on this list to update their information and send it to the Interim Secretary, Dr. Mike Ogwal. It
is imperative that we know where we stand in terms of membership before we put all the other pending
issues to a vote.
You do not need to provide the name of your employer. Only your profession is needed. It is important
that everyone provides this information for the establishment and development of the Association,
before we can start thinking of nominating members to be elected to serve on the Governing Board in
the Summer 2013. All of us have come from very humble beginnings and should be proud of the fact
that regardless of any hurdles we have had to overcome as sons and daughters of the people of Lango,
we are here now and we are proud of being here to represent our people. We want to carry on the
tradition of recognizing the hard work of each and everyone of us and knowing your profession will
allow us to do just that. We need to get this done as soon as possible.
Thank you all for your continued commitment toward establishing the Lango Association of North
America,
Sincerely,
Gloria Ameny-Dixon, Ph.D.
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Dr. Gloria,
I have notted that there is a general lack and /or fear of interest to disclose
professional tiltes and other vital infos as requested on Lango List, since the start of
the discussions on the formation of our Association.
That said, I am suggesting that you work with the few who dared disclosed their titles
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and other personal informations and move to complete the nomination of the office
bearers without any further delay. If anybody raises any questions, make sure such a
person has publically shared his/her personal infos with the group by completing the
Lango List before you go ahead and debate with him or her.
We should not tolerate persons who claim to be vocal and yet do not want to share
their backgound with the rest of the group. Such cowards cannot and will never make
good leaders if selected to be part of the executive branch. Some people prefer to
remain secret or work from behind the scene and choose to "talk others off" for
various reasons, without going public. While I am aware that some people may have
fears of being known, we cannot wait and keep waiting forever to pursuade them to
change. We all live in a free world.
The longer you wait for the list to be filled, the less are the chances of us getting the
Association formed. Caro kop a Lango kobo ni Oyo alwak pe golo ot.
Dr. Gloia, I suggest you go ahead and complete your nominations, make a formal
announcement of your interim government (after consulting with the nominees) and
move to the next level. I need sufficient time to make reservations as far as the venue
and dates are concerned. Right now, everybody seems to agree (at least by way of
being silent or voting on the Ogole's Survey), that the best months for our First
Conference should be held in June/July, 2013. Lets do it!!!!
Thanks
Ogwal
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Hello,
Re. The Disclosure of Professional Titles.
Amego D. Gift.
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Noted.
Ben Wacha.
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From: omara44@mchsi.com
To: mogwal444@hotmail.com; ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com; bmwacha@hotmail.com; gamenyd@att.net;
oagona@hotmail.com; bmwacha@outlook.com; sylvianyana@hotmail.com;
ocen_florence@yahoo.com; crcf1@yahoo.com; opito.tom@gmail.com; zubco2@gmail.com;
makulloogwal@yahoo.com; atimalex@hotmail.com; owotc@yahoo.com; mildred.omara@yahoo.com;
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Dear All,
To begin with, thank you to everyone who has thus far taken the time to review my submission
of the draft Constitution of the proposed Lango Association of North America, nicknamed
“Lango NA”. All the contributions and comments were very helpful in strengthening the
document further.
I have reviewed very carefully the Lango Association UK Constitution circulated by our Interim
Secretary, Dr. Mike Ogwal. I found little or no significant differences in substance between the
LA UK Constitution and our “Lango NA” draft Constitution. Whatever I could use from it to
improve our draft Constitution, I took ad vantage of it. For the most part though, I found the
document inapplicable to our unique circumstances in North America.
I would contend that most experts or scholars today, including even lawyers or attorneys could
not develop such a legal kind of document as ours from the scratch without consulting other
sources in the public domain.
Originality is a virtue. It is a concerted effort to create a constitution that fits our unique
circumstances in the North American continent. It is not an attempt to re-invent anything, or the
wheel.
I am very happy though that all those who have read the draft document strongly support its
adoption. Still, I must welcome some more reviews, if any, of the document before I can finish
its revision.
As one of our colleagues, Mr. Ben Wacha, has already brought up earlier, after the constitution,
we must write our Association’s bylaws as well. A constitution is the document (actually a
contract) among all the people who create an organization. "Bylaws" are simply the rules that
govern the day-to-day functions of the Association.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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Dear All,
I have noted that the email list being used my Dr. Omara-Alwala, Hudson Ayo, Ben
Wacha, Caeser Ogole and others has fewer people (29) compared to the updated list I
posted recently (37). Please make an effort and update your list so that we have
everybody reading what you are posting. I encourage you to use the list posted
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To: Mike Ogwal ; Thomas Omara ; Hudson Ayo ; G Ameny ; Odyek Agona ; Sylvia Nyana ; Florence
Ocen ; Betty Odero ; Tom Opio ; Adam Odwar ; Mildred Akullu ; Alex Atim ; Charles Owot ; Mildred
Omara ; Edisa 1 ; Hellen Apio ; dogwang@ugandaembassyus.org ; M Okwir ; Margaret Lagulu ; Dorothy
Amego ; Atyang ; Engola ; E Ogwal ; Anna Ayaa ; U Orech ; Rehema Apio ; Arao Ameny ; Charles Ogole
Dear Mike,
Greetings in the name of our Lord. That said, this is exactly the reason why we should have had a group
listing like the one I sent out invites for. Having that list would avoid this kind of mishap. I recommend
that as secretary, you remedy this as soon as it is feasibly advicable. When we have that central mailing
group, no one would have the excuse of not having received any communication. I for one have two
email appearances in the list for some reason. So at least I am receiving mails not only twice, but almost
from all sources.
Now, this was not of my making; but it was by default. So, I think it is a high time we rectify this. We can
start one up once we agree on the official name of our 'iryonget'. But I believe there is a silent
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acceptance of the name LANGONA or LAONA. Ceasor or Florence can also take a quick survey on this for
the purpose of enabling perfomance enhancement.
Rwot konyi,
Ben Wacha.
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From: bmwacha@outlook.com
To: gamenyd@att.net
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@ugandaembassyus.org; jackoyugi@verizon.net; jyamokolo@yahoo.com; peboo@me.com; mamaelder9
@aol.com;araoameny@gmail.com; sylvianyana@hotmail.com; ocen_florence@yahoo.com; atyang@inte
rlog.com;mlagulu@hotmail.com; mokwir@hotmail.com; dicksonogwang@yahoo.com; rosehelly@yahoo.c
om;ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com; mildred.omara@yahoo.com; oagona@hotmail.com; omara44@mchsi.co
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o2@gmail.com;apiorehema@yahoo.com; opito.tom@gmail.com; crcf1@yahoo.com; cogole@gmail.com;
edisa1@gmail.com;sarahalobo@yahoo.com; bhoisam2002@yahoo.co.uk; margaretekwan@hotmail.com;
mogwal444@hotmail.com;uayorech@yahoo.ca; annaayaa@yahoo.com; eloggwal@yahoo.com; amegod
orothy@gmail.com
Subject: RE: Revised Constitution of Lango Association of North America
Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 23:58:39 -0500
Dear all,
I have hereby attached an updated form of the latest list of Langi in NA. Mike, please take note of the the
update. I have eliminated duplicates and made a few corrections.
Thank you,
Ben Wacha.
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Hello Ben,
That is what I am talking about. Your spirit of openness and hard work is
commendable here. You and I should be at the forefront of this endevour. We
got to get the Association up and running. Thank you for your input and
corrections. By the way, your name is appearing twice because I think you
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submitted two different emails. But I am glad you fixed it. Call me if u have to.
Thanks
Ogwal
217-615-8735
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Members of the Executive Leadership Team and Ladies and Gentlemen of the Lango Association of
North America,
I am glad to announce to you nominations and confirmations from two members who have agreed
to serve on the Executive Leadership Team to move the Association forward. First and foremost, Mr.
Caesar Ogole has reconsidered and officially confirmed that he will serve as the Association's Research
Officer to continue helping us with surveys in all cases when consensus is needed through a majority
vote. I am kindly asking all members to respect this important role that Caesar has agreed to serve so
that all questions can be given equal consideration, voted on equally and results recorded in a systematic
manner. I am asking that all questions to be put to a vote should be directed to Caesar before they are
distributed to the entire group. Caesar will bring these question to the attention of the Executive
Committee for review before they are brought on the floor to a vote.
Secondly, I am glad to announce that Ms. Arao Ameny, who is a journalist by profession, has has agreed
to serve as the Association's Public Relations Officer. In this capacity she will be able to work closely with
the Association's Executive Team as the Association's official spokesperson to make the Association's
viewpoints are communicated appropriately communicated to external constituents. This will be very
important when we start fund raising and other important events.
With these announcements, I am glad to report to all members of the Association that the following are
the current members of the interim Executive Team of the Lango Associationof North America:
working on the planning of the first general meeting to be held in the summer 2013 and addressing other
important pending issues:
P.S. I will be sending my membership fees and annual dues as soon as possible to the Treasurer as soon
as members vote on the amounts and mebers of the Executive Team make the decision on the signitories
and the bank we will use so the the treasurer can proceed with his duties.
---
Gloria Ameny-Dixon, Ph.D.
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From: Caesar
Cc: Benjamin Wacha ; Mike Ogwal ; Hudson Ayo ; G Ameny ; Odyek Agona ; Sylvia Nyana ; Florence
Ocen ; Betty Odero ; Tom Opio ; Adam Odwar ; Mildred Akullu ; Alex Atim ; Charles Owot ; Mildred
Omara ; Edisa 1 ; Hellen Apio ; dogwang@ugandaembassyus.org ; M Okwir ; Margaret Lagulu ; Dorothy
Amego ; Atyang ; Engola ; E Ogwal ; Anna Ayaa ; U Orech ; Rehema Apio ; Arao Ameny
Dear all,
Do not hesitate to call on our service anytime we need a quick survey. I believe that Florence
and I will be able to execute this task without any delay.
Before we go ahead with setting up the survey, kindly guide us on the following, that is:
1) In addition to voting on the most preferred abbreviation or nickname of Lango Association of
North America,
is there anything other contention, if you will, that should be subjected to voting
at this time? Formulate the question and the answer choices.
2) How many days should be allowed to complete the survey? (Usually, the results are relayed
the day after the closing date).
Thank you,
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Caesar Ogole
P.S. I just "hit reply all" to this email request , so I may not be using the updated list. Also, my name
keeps coming back to Charles Ogole despite numerous attempts I have made to even manually correct it
on list itself.
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Ceasar,
In addition to the two survey questions below, please add the following questions:
Question # 3: Should Lango clan membership of individual members be included on the membership list
for identification purposes, or for any other use whatsoever, on the records of the Lango Association of
North America?
Your Vote: Choose only one
A. Yes ( )
B. No ( )
Question #4: What is the minimum number of members needed for forming a state or regional chapter of
the Lango Association of North America? (This number excludes young children under 18 years of age).
Your Vote: Choose only one
A. 5 members
B. 10 members
C. 15 members
Question #5: What should the membership fee and annual dues be for the Lango Association of North
America?
Your Vote: Choose only one.
A. Membership $50 or its equivalence and annual dues $50 or its equivalence per person
B. Membership $50 or its equivalence and annual dues $100 or its equivalence per person
C. Membership $100 or its equivalence and Annual dues $100 or its equivalence per person
Please send the survey questions to the Executive Team (Ben Wacha, Mike Ogral, Arao Ameny, you and
me) for review before you send them out to all members.
Thanks
---
Gloria Ameny-Dixon, Ph.D.
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Medical doctors
Nutritionists
Nurses
Lawyers
Social workers
Accountants
Government Advisors
MBAs & Financial experts
Computer Technologists
Personal Trainers
University Vice presidents
UN Employees
Teachers/Instructors
Ambassadors
Journalists
Caregivers
Engineers
Librarians
Policemen
Bankers
Pastors
Realtors
Drivers
Student
Business persons
and many more.
To know who these professionals are, serves as a big resource to us, just incase
somebody wants some help of one kind of another. Lango have an inherent nature of
wanting to help one another. If we have don't know who these people are among us,
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how shall we develop? Should we will continue to live like orphans with no one to
give us professional words of encouragement, advice or guide us in our individual
needs. Take for example: If I know a Vice President at some University, or an
Instructor at a community College and I have a child who wants to join a University
or community college, wouldn't it be better to seek some professonal advice from our
very own first? What if I am ill? Can't I contact a medical professional for an
advice? If these good people live among us in hiding, I don't think it serves us any
good. To hide our professional careers from our very own, is a social crime to
humaity. ...
2. To know who our professionals are, it can serve as a great source of pride for us as
Lango in the world map. I personally feel so proud to know that we have Lango
proessionals working in various private and public organizations in N. America. It
helps to define and strengthen who we are. Unless somebody just wants to hide their
professional titles and say "Yin dang kwan megi". Or I can't help wota/nyaka
lomoro'. This would be considered a pretty selfish spirit.
3. Last but not least, I haven't read any posting which suggest that a
"professional title" requirement in our membership listing "are in
contention, therefore require a vote of the members for a democratic
resolution". This is almost similar to an idea we had at the begining
which propsosed that we "exclude Lango from Canada" to form their
own Association".
4. If however, you want to introduce this as a matter of contention, then
better be straight. Or else you be an example, tell us that you don't want
Lango to know what you do for a living, then withdraw your
professional title from the membrship list and the rest will be history.
We will be contented with your choice and register you without your
title.
5. That being said, I suggest that you withdraw this kind of question
because it sends a wrong signal or message where it is not needed. If
not, I suggest you hold up the question on professional titles and re-
introduce it for debate after the Associaton is formed and going well.
But be sure you include it as an Article in your "proposed Consitution"
and call for Amendment or "filobuster" it when the right time comes.
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Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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Dear All,
It has come to my notice that we have several members of Lango community
here in the developed world and at home who are needlessly suffering from
the curse of Diabetes, Blood pressure, kidney problems, overweight, erectile
disfunctions, strokes, heart diseases, arthritis, near-blindness, digestive
problems, cancer and many more.
I would like to inform such members, their relatives and friends, that extra help
is available for those who may need it. I am a practioner of "Complementary
& Alternative Medicine (CAM)". Many people are not aware or are just not
informed of the effectiveness of CAM. As a result, they have chosen to go the
tradional route of treatment which have not given them the kind of result they
expected upto this time. If you need to try CAM, give me a call or email me
privately. I will give you a free consultation for a start. I hate to see people
sick. Try me and see what happens to your health.
Thanks
Dr. Mike Ogwal, CNS
Natural Health & Healing Institute
2804 Momouth Ct
Springfield, IL 62704
217-819-0692/615-8735
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Gracious Goodness
NA-LA Persons,
Q.Question: How in the first place did the 2nd title column make
it excel column as evidence of 'what members do for a living'.
Is that really relevant to membership, even board membership
- or is there some goal we are missing relating to the same
e.g.
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Only a few titles are still reflected on the form despite us openly
disclosing the same. Incase my own F.H.&s as given is not
sufficient, then please also use the C.P.I. (Crisis prevention &
Intervention) which also makes for a living as well as the others.
2. NA-LA surveys team too may wish to invite some questions
from members on varied issues, instead of posing only their own.
3. The surveys team may do well being more creative in coming
up with some motivational facilitation for participation in the survey.
Many of us here are spoiled by Marketing Reaserch Co.s that
actually pay an av. of $75.00 to $ 300.00 per survey done.
Tommorrow, tuesday I'm doing another one for the latter amount.
Sincere apologies for introducing monetary ideas into the equation
in this N.A. market economy. It's not in any way meant to ignite
some finance - related wars, so calm down and read on. It's about
exercising freedoms of choice to volunteer services freely, with
honorariums or for a fee i.e. where each NA-LA member can feel
absolutely free to decide on how to volunteer, right? ....
4. A Fun-d-raising Committee - hopefully NA-LA is thinking of
establishing a fun-d-raising committee to complement AIDs
dependency through 100% volunteering of services or time.
Rest assured any ways I'll be among the 13 or more to fill
up the surveys, followed up by an E-invoice promtly sent to
Omego O. Ceasor / NA-LA surveys team fo the honouring,
now or later. Failing that, then the debt shall be forgiven but
only up to 77 times, as per law bk. guidance.
Hope the above is clear and that I am well heard / understood.
My four mites of minutes for the sharing are up
so bye for now. May all have a blessed day / week.
Amego D. Gift.
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The request for members to indicate their professions- while not a requirement for membership in this
case, does help especially a brand new organization with no resources, except its members, to leverage
whatever skills they can from the membership to assist in the establishment of the organization. The
provision of this information should be voluntary. Any member who feels comfortable enough to
provide this information should be free to do so. Members who would rather not disclose this
information for one reason or the other should not feel pressured to provide this information. I would
like to believe that in this part of the world, all professions /occupations are equally important-
Plumbers are valued just as much as Doctors are. This exercise should therefore not be interpreted as a
ranking of professions in my view. Hopefully the members will give a clear direction to this particular
discussion on the survey.
Amego Dorothy, did I hear you say you would like to be compensated for participating in the survey?
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Sincerely,
Florence
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Coffee!
just a cup for a start Florence, towards keeping me up
working 24/7 (don't grieve - the end result shall be worth it) .
'Hope that's fair for a beginning of the negotiations
recommendably at Tim Hortons or somewhere similar.
Peace & Cheers.
Amego D.
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/28 at hour 16 and 2013/1/29 at hour
18 is: 1 day(s), 25 hours.39 minutes. Or total(M) of 1539 minutes
Sister Florence, sorry for jumping in a little late…Without any further ado, may also you
please reassure Amego D that in addition to your timely cup of tea which is tasty but
strong enough to handle even very chilly Canadian Alberta clipper winds this winter, to
show our appreciation I will thus immediately procure for her some authentic Aboke
Olel or Amalakwang... please tell her she may take both of them if she prefers.
I also take this opportunity to thank the whole house for their continued
contributions and thoughtfulness. I know for us as a community, after formation and
subsequently launching and positioning LangoNA as a self-sustaining conduit for
progress, we will be in a better position to do more for our members.
At this point the countdown has started and our Spaceship is on the launching pad,
about to blast off to a new frontier of exploration and greater possibilities in dealing
with challenges facing our people.
Thanks to all of you and let's continue to forge forward... there will be enough Olel
waiting for all of us around the corner.
Apwoyo,
Hudson
Bala Cynwyd,
PA 19004 USA
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/29 at hour 18 and 2013/1/29 at hour
13 is: 0 day(s), -4 hours.-50 minutes. Or total(M) of -290 minutes
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/29 at hour 13 and 2013/1/28 at hour
22 is: 0 day(s), -15 hours.-16 minutes. Or total(M) of -916 minutes
Survey 3
---------- Original message ----------
From: Caesar <cogole@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 10:27 PM
Subject: Lango Association: Submit your responses to survey 3
To: Odyek Agona <oagona@hotmail.com>
Cc: "bmwacha@outlook.com" <bmwacha@outlook.com>, G Ameny <gamenyd@att.net>,
abduogwang5222@comcast.net, mmtimzzak@gmail.com, annam@ugandaembassyus.org,
somara@ugandaembassyus.org, Jack Oyugi <jackoyugi@verizon.net>, jyamokolo@yahoo.com,
peboo@me.com, "mamaelder9@aol.com" <mamaelder9@aol.com>, A Ameny
<araoameny@gmail.com>, S Nyana <sylvianyana@hotmail.com>, F Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>,
Atyang <atyang@interlog.com>, "mlagulu@hotmail.com" <mlagulu@hotmail.com>, M Okwir
<mokwir@hotmail.com>, dicksonogwang@yahoo.com, "rosehelly@yahoo.com"
<rosehelly@yahoo.com>, "ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com" <ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, M Omara
<mildred.omara@yahoo.com>, Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>, C Owot
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Dear all,
A survey reviewed and approved by the Interim Executive Committee was released to everyone on this
list yesterday. This message serves confirm that the computer-generated message that you received was
the authentic survey.
You can also complete the survey now by going to the link:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dHpfQlFnaXNmR3JnWXV4U2hVOUwtelE6MQ
These votes are simply to help the Association (to-be) move forward, especially when we have hit
stalemate in our regular constructive debates. We have to make the difficult decision and move to the
next step. There is always room to revisit our decisions. Chances are that some of the choices we make
today may turn out to be shamefully impractical at a later stage, due to unforeseen reasons. There is no
such concept as winner or loser, but rather, a wealth of diverse and good ideas.
To quote Amego Dorothy (yes!, Dorothy, I read and understood your message), "the end result shall be
worth it". Send your responses now!
Go to: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?
formkey=dHpfQlFnaXNmR3JnWXV4U2hVOUwtelE6MQ
Thank you,
Caesar Ogole
*** The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/28 at hour 22 and 2013/1/30 at hour
22 is: 1 day(s), 47 hours.44 minutes. Or total(M) of 2864 minutes
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Hello to all,
Just following up on the message that Caesar sent yesterday to remind you of the 3rd Survey currently
out for you to respond to. I know that most of you are still taking the time to think carefully on how to
respond, I thank you for that but I think you need to vote now. Again completing the survey itself should
not take much of your time. I am sure you can spare a few minutes from your busy schedule to do this.
Every vote counts!
To those of you who have already voted, thank you very much. To those who may not have received the
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survey, please click on the link below and you will be able to complete the survey online.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/viewform?
formkey=dHpfQlFnaXNmR3JnWXV4U2hVOUwtelE6MQ
If there are any concerns about completing this survey or if you encounter technical difficulties, please
let us know.
Sincerely,
Florence
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/30 at hour 11 and 2013/1/30 at hour
11 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.23 minutes. Or total(M) of 23 minutes
An optional comment line has been added to the survey. Thank you for your input.
Note: If you have already submitted your survey responses, you do not have to submit it again. If you
had any comments but were unable to add it to your submission, kindly send it to me via email (
cogole@gmail.com), and your comments will be integrated to the final results set. Brevity and
conciseness is appreciated.
Thanks,
Caesar Ogole
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/30 at hour 11 and 2013/1/31 at hour
10 is: 0 day(s), 22 hours.49 minutes. Or total(M) of 1369 minutes
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Hello to all.
Just a quick reminder to those of you who have not yet responded to the survey to do so as soon
as you can. The deadline is tomorrow midnight. As I said before, every vote counts!
Thank you to those who have already responded!
Sincerely,
Florence
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/1/31 at hour 10 and 2013/2/1 at hour
10 is: -2 day(s), -48 hours.-4 minutes. Or total(M) of -2884 minutes
FEBRUARY 2013
---------- Original message ----------
From: Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 10:15 AM
Subject: Re: Lango Association: Submit your responses to survey 3
To: ocen_florence@yahoo.com
Cc: Caesar Ogole <cogole@gmail.com>
Florence
Results of Survey 3
Attached, please find attached results of Survey 3. Members need to be reminded of the fact that
this survey was conducted as a follow-up of Survey 2. Upon reviewing results of the survey
submitted to me by the Association's Research Officer, Mr. Caesar Ogole, I noted that we had a
tie on the results for questions #2 and #7. With the power you have invested in me to serve as
your Secretary General, I sent these results to the Executive Team and asked the Team to cast
their votes to help us break the ties on these two items. We have included only the tie-breaker
votes on those items in the results attached.
As an association committed to the practice of democracy we will honor these results so that we
can move to the next steps in preparing to launch the founding of the Lango Association of North
America.
1. Up to 44% of the members voted that the exact abbreviation of the Lango Association of
North America should be "LAONA"
2. Up to 80% of the members voted that professional titles should be included on the
membership list as this will enhance the validity and legal standing of the Lango Association of
North America during registration and when seeking 501(c3 status
3. Up to 63% of the members voted to include Lango clan on the membership list.
4. Up to 44 % voted that a minimum od 5 members (excluding children under 1 years of age) are
needed to form a state or regional chapter of the Lango Association of North America.
5. Up to 50% voted for a membership fee of $50 and annual dues of 50$ for each member above
18 years of age.
6. Up to 88% voted that memberhip and annual dues should be collected so that the Executive
Team can begin planning for the first general meeting to be held in the Summer 2013.
7. Up to 60% voted to have the Treasurer, Secretary General and General Counsel serve as
signatories in all association's transactions.
8. Up to 62.5% (10 out of 16 people) voted that the Treasurer will be responsible for keeping
finacial records on behald of the association and that these records with be checked every moth
by the Secretary General and the General Counsel. We will also plan to have an independent
accountant to serve as an auditor on a regular basis (however, members need to know that
the association will need funds to pay for services of an independent auditor).
I would like to thank all who voted and ask those who did not vote to honor these results because
everyone was given the opportunity to cast the votes. I move that these votes be entered into the
Association's record as final by the Secretary of the Association, Dr. Mike Ogwal. Lastly but not
least, I would like the Sectretary to distribute these results to all members on the association's
updated list.
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You All Have A Great Superball Sunday!
----
Gloria Ameny-Dixon, Ph.D.
Interim Secretary General
Lango Association of North America
Attachment:
Patrick Okullu, Benjamin Wacha, Gloria M. Ameny-Dixon, Edisa Engola Kema, Florence Ocen, Amego
Dorothy Adero, Thomas R. Omara-Alwala, Hellen Apio, Betty, Opio okuja, Caesar Ogole, Arao, Ameny
(Ms.), Hudson Ayo, Odyek Agona, Omodi, Engola (Dr.), Mike, Ogwal
Question #1: Which of the following abbreviations (acronyms) or nicknames would you choose to
designate Lango Association of North America in short communication?
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1
Question #2: Should the professional title(s) of a member be required for personal identification
purposes, or for any other use whatsoever, on the records or listings of the Lango Association of North
America?
Question # 3: Should Lango clan membership of individual members be included on the membership
list for identification purposes, or for any other use whatsoever, on the records of the Lango
Association of North America?
1
The results to this question came from tie-breaking votes, cast by five members of the
Executive Committee
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Question #4: What is the minimum number of members needed for forming a state or regional
chapter of the Lango Association of North America? (This number excludes young children under 18
years of age).
Question #5: What should the membership fee and annual dues be for the Lango Association of North
America?
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Question #6: Membership and annual fees need to be collected so that the Executive Committee has
the funds to begin planning for the first general meeting to take place in the Summer 2013.
2
Question #7: Who should serve as the three signatories for the Association in all Association
purchases and transactions?
2
The results to this question came from tie-breaking votes, cast by five members of the
Executive Committee
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Question #8: Financial records and transactions on behalf of the Association shall be kept up to date
by the Treasuer and _____
1. “I think the secretary general and the assignees should not be the one to check on the account. There
must be an accountant who will give his/her report directly to the group and the group will compare the
records with the one that the treasurer had given them. We are talking about money here, and this is
going to be an organization, it should be treated just like the ones some of us work for ...independent
auditors will be recommended if all is in place.”, Betty
3. “Going forward it's still going to be relevant to keep the door open for any Lango in this hemisphere
to join LA.”, Hudson Ayo
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4. “The general membership list (open) should not have these details. The formal confidential record of
the Association should have the full details (professional titles, addresses, Atekere etc) so that the top
officials can always use them whenever specialized consultations or referrals are necessary.
I responded to No 4 but given the very busy schedules we have, I do not support the formation of
chapters at all. Keeping up with the Association will be difficult enough.”, Odyek Agona
5. “Financial records should be checked by the Gen. Counsel & the Treasurer.”, Omodi, Engola (Dr.)
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/3 at hour 13 and 2013/2/3 at hour
14 is: 0 day(s), 1 hours.19 minutes. Or total(M) of 79 minutes
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/3 at hour 14 and 2013/2/3 at hour
16 is: 0 day(s), 2 hours.29 minutes. Or total(M) of 149 minutes
Dear,
Q.Question -
is prof. title requirement related
registration status validity not relevant only for
the board members. In other words, the usage
requirement can be made compulsory for s /
Respectfully,
Amego D. Gift
Tel: 416 761 1259
Other complaints:
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/3 at hour 16 and 2013/2/3 at hour
21 is: 0 day(s), 4 hours.58 minutes. Or total(M) of 298 minutes
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Dear All
Good evening All Members!
I Have Noted the results of survey 3 of The Lango Of North America.This is NOT personal.
Which was submitted to your desk on 1-27-13 were NOT included in the E-mail Group to participate in
this Survey 3?
Except Mr. Opio Okuja whom I forwarded the message then managed to cast his vote and we do not
yet see his contact address in the e-mail Group.
Jo jok Amalu
Tom Opito.
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/3 at hour 21 and 2013/2/3 at hour
22 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.29 minutes. Or total(M) of 29 minutes
I would like to respond to both of your messages by reiterating that in a democratic process
members trust the judgement of those entrusted to lead. It is apparent from your messages (even
though I couldn't fully understand Amego Dorothy's) that you both have little trust in the process
and in decisions made by the Executive Team. We have not held elections yet, so there are no
members at this time considered as ex-officios.
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We will move forward and honor the hard work of the Executive Team. The Team has worked
around the clock to conduct and analyze these survey results and continue to volunteer their
precious time to help where other people have not stepped forward to do the same. We will make
decisions based on the voices of the members who have contributed and voted and hope that in
the future when we have more members voting there will be no need for tie-breaker votes.
****The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/3 at hour 22 and 2013/2/4 at hour
22 is: 1 day(s), 24 hours.16 minutes. Or total(M) of 1456 minutes
Is the Executive Team looking into this? Where is the Secretary? The silence is very
uncomfortable.
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/4 at hour 22 and 2013/2/4 at hour
22 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.19 minutes. Or total(M) of 19 minutes
Several important questions have been raised, and I was hoping that the Secretary would respond
accordingly but I am left blank by the no response.
Mr. Opito's email too needs to be responded to. His case is very similar to that earlier raised by
Edisa. I really don't know what happened. Where did Mr. Opito and Edisa first send the contact
information for the new members?
I just don't want to be seen as dominating the conversations - but the issues need to be addressed.
And thanks a lot for everything. I really think you should reconsider joining the Interim
Executive Team as well; it is roller-coaster, but some people have to steer it actively. You have
already done a lot, but I think your input as a member of the Executive Team is badly needed.
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Thanks
Caesar
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/4 at hour 22 and 2013/2/4 at hour
20 is: 0 day(s), -2 hours.-23 minutes. Or total(M) of -143 minutes
The presence of a tie on two items represents a minute part of the whole
formation equation which thus warrants deferment to the Executive Team as
an interim solution for a safe landing. To allow us to proceed forward the
house will need to tie all lose ends or iron out any wrinkles later.
Why must we still be suspended in a perpetual low orbit allowing this huge
beast called "Heavy Lifting" to keep our community constantly stuck in the
quick sand? It's high time we advanced forward to a higher frontier with a
better promise.
My appreciation to all of you who have tirelessly labored to keep our flame
burning. Because of your efforts the finishing line is now with view.
Apwony,
Hudson Ayo
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/4 at hour 20 and 2013/2/4 at hour
22 is: 0 day(s), 1 hours.59 minutes. Or total(M) of 119 minutes
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/4 at hour 22 and 2013/2/4 at hour
22 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.27 minutes. Or total(M) of 27 minutes
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I will make an effort to offer explanation pertaining the Survey Process. (Bear with me on the length, but
I have treat this at some level of detail).
As a volunteer Interim Research Officer, it does me no good whatsoever to undertake a task that is not
meeting the target needs. Here is the deal:
Survey 3 was conducted exactly as described by the Secretary General. I was personally responsible for
relaying the results to the Executive Team soon after submission time closed. No manipulation was done
by me or anyone else. The ties (draw) in the original results indeed was an interesting observation. On
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the other hand, a decision had to be made. Tie-resolution, often times, is a challenge. The Secretary
General exercised the rightly the her powers and ordered that a quick mini-survey among the Interim
Executive Team be carried out to resolve the ties. (Indeed, I immediately set up the mini-survey
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1liV3l06ocI-iIJgneAgp0UiACqM8dXFRXldca2W_icQ/viewform ) . This
new development seemed to have caught even the other members of the Executive Team unawares
given that some of them took long to re-cast their votes. They were probably away (on their weekend
schedules). The Secretary General and I had to constantly bombard the other members of the
Executive Committee (with numerous emails) asking them to submit their votes. "Please do so today so
that we can release results. We do not want to keep members waiting for too long." - ran one of the
email messages from the Secretary General to the Executive Team.That explains why the results were
not released on Saturday as it was earlier promised.
a) The otherwise very good intentions held by the volunteers (Executive Team), and sacrifice
notwithstanding, can easily be misinterpreted. And I understand the feeling out there because I, for one,
was one of the biggest losers after the second round (tie-breaking) voting. (But then I remembered I
had offered a counsel that there is no such concept in this instance, at least).
b) Once we all understand that we cannot perfect everything at ago, then we will probably avoid some
of these retrogressive criticisms and counteractions. (A criticism that is actually very well intended to be
constructive may end up being retrogressive, if offered out of context). I cite Professor Omara's
unyielding call for observance of foundational democratic principles. I am a strong proponent of his idea,
- don't get me wrong. However, I think the circumstance surrounding Survey 3 warranted a different
course of action, probably (was) not the best, but still had some ingredients of democracy.
c) I'm pretty sure a good number of people (besides myself) find Hudson's approach of pushing his ideas
(or keeping them alive) quite appealing. In his latest survey comment, for example, Hudson wrote,
“Going forward it's still going to be relevant to keep the door open for any Lango in this hemisphere to
join LA.” Understanding that we are keeping record of these survey results and associated comments,
the exercise of revisiting options, when a need arises, becomes a piece of cake! No such thing as, " You
see! I told you but you and refused!"
Again, I am attempting to answer this question because I was responsible for dispatching the survey to
potential respondents. Mr. Opito, I have to say that I do not know where you sent that contact list of
new members. My question to you is not "To whom did you send the contact details?" because
resorting to a blame-game at any stage sounds rather childish (and indeed, is counterproductive). Such
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an incident creates a wrong impression. I have to acknowledge that this is the second time I am
receiving such a claim from two different persons, and each time, I am simply (left) confused.
a) We are all in this together. We should all support the process in any way we can. Certain tasks cannot
be left to the Interim Executive Team. When Survey 3 was sent out, for example, we constantly
reminded everyone on the list to encourage all prospective members to complete the survey. (Thanks to
Florence!). At this stage of infancy, the assumption that the Executive Team knows every prospective
member is obviously not sound. For example, I have never met/known in person anyone on this entire
list (except, perhaps, one individual). Without your (concerted) help, which could take a form as simple
as forwarding the email to another person, how do you expect us to know that someone has been
excluded from the survey? [Of course, we have to have control in place to avoid ghost voters, and the
like].
b) Going forward, I believe the Secretary will work to maintain an updated list so that these incidents
become history. (For example, the current list keeps fluctuating between 28 and 40.)
These are just food for thoughts, as we continue working together! I felt like sharing some experiences
gained so far. I am open to new ideas. The other option would be to resign (from this Interim Position),
but I like to first utilize any opportunities to improve - just for the love of helping our community.
d) And I am reading this line after reading Benjamin's email. He pointed out that nothing is written on
stone, the very phrase I had intended to use but I held it back - mindful of the protocols in place. (When
asked by the Exec Team, I will not hesitate to rerun the survey, with consideration given to the
aforementioned observations or suggestions).
Thank you,
Caesar Ogole
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/4 at hour 22 and 2013/2/4 at hour
23 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.6 minutes. Or total(M) of 6 minutes
The Secretary General exercised rightly her powers and ordered that a quick mini-survey among the
Interim Executive Team be carried out to resolve the ties. (Indeed, I immediately set up the mini-survey
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1liV3l06ocI-iIJgneAgp0UiACqM8dXFRXldca2W_icQ/viewform ) .
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/4 at hour 23 and 2013/2/5 at hour
1 is: 0 day(s), 2 hours.3 minutes. Or total(M) of 123 minutes
<godwinomondi@yahoo.com>
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/5 at hour 1 and 2013/2/5 at hour
1 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.24 minutes. Or total(M) of 24 minutes
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/5 at hour 1 and 2013/2/5 at hour
2 is: 0 day(s), 0 hours.36 minutes. Or total(M) of 36 minutes
My original sentence was: My question to you is not "To whom did you send the contact
details?" because resorting to a blame-game at any stage sounds rather childish (and indeed, is
counterproductive).
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By that, I meant I was hesitant asking you to tell us where (or to whom) you sent the list of
contacts of new members (on Jan 27). I didn't want to ask you to answer the question because, I,
myself (NOT YOU), would then be acting childish by triggering a blame game.
In your original email, you did not say whom you sent the updates (of new member contacts) to.
And then to Prof. Omara, - that was simply how things happened.
Respectfully,
Caesar
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/5 at hour 2 and 2013/2/5 at hour
10 is: 0 day(s), 8 hours.16 minutes. Or total(M) of 496 minutes
I agree with this initiative of adopting the Roberts Rules of Order. Can we
consider its adoption in this house as a practical and workable way of
proceeding forward with clarity and better efficiency? In my view these
enhancements based on the Roberts Rules of Order would allow us to avoid
complications while empowering our Secretary General to discharge her
discretion fully as an impartial and independent arbitrator and, if need be, also
a welcomed tie-breaker.
While waiting for input from the community on the Roberts Rules, I salute the
whole house for these stepped up efforts to move us forward.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/5 at hour 10 and 2013/2/5 at hour
11 is: 0 day(s), 1 hours.19 minutes. Or total(M) of 79 minutes
To all members,
Most of us come from large families and from that experience we know there will always be
disagreements. We therefore have to find ways of resolving these disagreements when they do
pop up. I am not a member of the Executive Team therefore please let me know if I am
overstepping my bounds here.
1. I think that the Secretary General made her call based on what she believed was one of
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the tools she had in her arsenal to make decisions. In the absence of voting guidelines for
this organization it was a tough spot to be in. She has now been called out on this decision
and I think it is very important for the members to indicate one way or the other what they
would like to see happen here. Some members would like to see the results of the two
contentious questions nullified, other members believe that we should accept these results
and move on. Because we do not have any voting guidelines as yet, I think it would be
helpful to go back to the membership and ask what they would like to see happen in this
case so we can move on one way or the other. What do you think?
2. Critical to this process is some kind of voting guidelines. Hudson couldn’t have put it
better. I totally agree that we should adopt Roberts' Rules of Order as suggested by Prof.
Omara-Alwala. As we still do not have a constitution, we need to move on this very quickly
and adopt this rule before the next survey. Again, the membership should determine if this
is what we would like to do to move forward.
3. Equally important is the fact that our contact and email lists are, at the moment, in dire
need of attention. I am appealing to the Secretary, Dr. Mike Ogwal, directly to please re-
assure the membership that this issue is being addressed. My brother Tom’s email is a clear
example of this.
4. Last but not least, when I send out reminders to you to vote, I have always reiterated
that every vote counts- we would not be in this position if we had even just one extra vote
on each of the two questions. This organization is in its very initial stages and member
participation will be critical to its success. I understand people do have very busy lives but
the votes take very little of your time. Let’s get this going the right way.
I would like to thank Prof. Omara-Alwala for re-affirming that although he is calling out the
Secretary General on her decision, he still supports her in her leadership position for this
emerging organization. That, my brother is the spirit!
Sincerely,
Florence
PS. The above email list seems to be the most complete for now - could we please use this link
for the current discussion?
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The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/5 at hour 11 and 2013/2/5 at hour
17 is: 0 day(s), 6 hours.5 minutes. Or total(M) of 365 minutes
Mine is always never about personality. Those who know me better will confirm that to you. It
is always just about doing the right things. There I will not compromise my values or principles
for anything, including for personal relationships.
I am glad you and others have supported the idea of adopting some sort of a guideline, such as
Roberts' Rules of Order, for our emerging Association. I am sure such a guideline would go a
long way to minimize any potential misunderstandings over issues among members.
I definitely agree with you that it would be be helpful to go back to the membership and ask what
they would like to see happen in the case of those two contentious survey questions so we could
move on one way or the other.
The thing about question two is that even if it were passed like the one on clans it would be
difficult to implement, except it were made a requirement for membership in the association.
Accordingly, a full discussion of an issue by the members prior to putting it to a vote is
important according, for instance, to Roberts' Rules of Order. That was the reason I was hoping
against hopes that, even without adequate discussions by members, the NO vote would have it!
Nevetheless, qualifications and professions are often appropriate for anyone interested in a career
opportunity with our organization. Those members who were interested in running for any
offices in the organization would, as usual be expected, to provide their bios ketches, CV’s, or
resumes for those positions.
Apwoyo,
Omara-Alwala
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/5 at hour 17 and 2013/2/5 at hour
16 is: 0 day(s), -1 hours.-22 minutes. Or total(M) of -82 minutes
Good Points, Fellow
NA-Lango members
Respectfully
Amego D. Gift
The difference (length of time) between dates 2013/2/5 at hour 16 and 2013/2/5 at hour
23 is: 0 day(s), 6 hours.46 minutes. Or total(M) of 406 minutes
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As many of you already know, the Lango in North America are the only group of people who do
not have an organization. The Acholi, Baganda, Japadola and others have had theirs in place for
many years. Many of us who volunteering here have been supporting them in many ways. No
one who is reading these comments should not be surprised why this is so.
I was ready to move us to the next step after Survey #3, but so much energy has been wasted on
undermining the authority of the interim leadership. It's unfortunate! There are so many things
we have the potential to achieve through this Association to help our children and those back
home, but it is unfortunate that we are spending so much energy of distractors. If we cannot
agree to disagree and move on, how are we going to agree bigger things like finances etc. If
leaders are not allowed to lead, then how will we move forward?
Rather than putting all the energy in hurting the feelings of those who have the best intentions for
the founding of the association, may be we should be asking ourselves what should we be doing
to move closer to forming the Lango Associations?
On a lighter but very important note, if anyone on this list has a son/daughter who will be
attending college beginning in the Fall 2013 or Spring 2014, please contact me outside this list
for details.
Thanks,
Dr. Gloria Ameny-Dixon
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Dear Mike et all,
1. It was not my mother and brother who died, I lost my grandmother from
the paternal side Imat Dorothy Olet (Olet was my grandfather), Dorothy passed on
at the age of 86. And, the boy who died was my nephew, the son of my younger
sister who was suppose to be going to S.4 this year after the age of 16.
Isaac Okul was born to Betty when betty was herself a child at St. Catherine after
defilement and so she was raised by us at home while Betty continued with her
studies. So Isaac was like son or yes, indeed my young brother.
I continue to value your prayers as I must admit that I am still grieving though not
as the unwise, but as the wise who knows God's plan for our lives after this mortal
life when this flesh on sin and death is finally back to dust.
"Where, O death, is your victory? Where, O death, is your sting?" For thus says the
Lord; "I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from
death. Where, O death, are your plagues? Where, O grave, is your destruction? " (1
Cor. 15:55, Hosea 13:14).
God bless you all, and I thank you so much for the initiative you are on to give
birth to a viable institution that will keep us together as one family in the spirit of
love, harmony and for development - the birth of Lango Association of North
America. I look forward to joining you for the proposed meeting given time.
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Dickson
Dickson Ogwang
MINISTER COUNSELOR
Embassy of the Republic of Uganda
5911 16Th. St. N.W.
Washington, D.C.
20011-2891
phone: 202 726 7100
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Membership fees:
Following the latest survey conducted by Caeser, it was agreed
that a membership fees of $50 be set and collected from
everyone. I would therefore like to request everyone to send
their $50 check/money order etc, to the Treasurer, Mr. Ben M.
Wacha. Ben can be reached at 240-551-7505 or 301-684-1846
for details.
Membership update:
As of Feb 12th, we have 90 registered members of Lango in NA
on our list.
Out of the 90 names, 55 are on circulation via emails. The
remaining 35 have not provided their emails and are therefore
missing informations. I would like to request everyone reading
this note to review the names given below, and if you know any
of them, please ask them to provide me (Dr. Mike Ogwal,
Interim Secretary) their emails so that they may get mails on a
regular basis like the rest of us. I may be reached at
mogwal444@hotmail.com or 217-615-8735
1. …
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Thanks,
Sincerely
Dr. Mike Ogwal
Interim Secretary, LangoNA
217-615-8735
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Thank you, Dr. Ogwal. We greatly appreciate your hard work. As a follow up of our
conversation, I have reviewed the list and there are still many people who are not receiving these
messages because they have not provided their email addresses. I will be releasing the updated
list so that members receiving messages can pass information by word of mouth so that we can
have fully updated contacts for all members.
Apwoyo,
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Mike,
Thank you for the additional information. I would however like to clarify one thing and make a
few comments.
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With all due respect to my Canadian brothers and sisters who will be attending the conference, I
respectfully decline the honour or being the Canadian Delegation Representative at the
conference. I am not yet sure as to who from Canada will be attending but you may have to wait
till everyone is registered for the conference to confirm who could possibly be the Canadian
Delegation Rep, if necessary.
In terms of the agenda, looks good but I think you mentioned somewhere in there that the draft
agenda would need to be "reviewed and confirmed by the Executive Team." My comment is that
as per this draft agenda, we may not have enough time dedicated to the conference (scheduled
for one day - Saturday). I think it will be necessary to have at least two full days for the
conference itself for us to have meaningful presentations, discussions, votes and elections. We
will also have one of the very significant aspects of the Conference - the presentation of the
Constitution to the members and any discussions that may be necessary to have before members
vote to adopt the constitution. This will require a good chunk of time- I would imagine- then the
elections etc. I am therefore asking the Executive to review the time alloted to conference
activities. I am not saying the fun part should be cut out of the meeting but I think there needs to
be a serious review of the agenda.
My second comment loops back into what Benjamin said about need for members to discuss
timing of the conference and venue. Just so we are clear, does this mean that depending on what
the membership come up with both the dates and the venue may change? Just seeking
clarification. Could members please weigh in?
Sincerely,
Florence
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Ogwal
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Thank you, Dr. Ogwal. We greatly appreciate your hard work. As a follow up of our conversation, I have
reviewed the list and there are still many people who are not receiving these messages because they
have not provided their email addresses. I will be releasing the updated list so that members receiving
messages can pass information by word of mouth so that we can have fully updated contacts for all
members.
Apwoyo,
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<ocen_florence@yahoo.com>
Cc: Mike Ogwal <mogwal444@hotmail.com>, Margaret Ekwan
<margaretekwan@hotmail.com>, Sara Alobo <alobo_sarah@yahoo.com>, Paul Wacha
<ocol23@yahoo.com>, "Richard O. Wacha" <ogwang929@hotmail.com>, Richard Omondi
<godwinomondi@yahoo.com>, EuniceAkullo Owot <gillianom@gmail.com>, Leo Odongo
<odoleo@yahoo.com>, "SilverO. Ajal" <silver2002@yahoo.com>, Liliy Ron
<lilron5@hotmail.com>, Pito Pius <pitopius@yahoo.co.uk>, Morris Otim
<morrisotm005@gmail.com>, Bruno OpioOkuja <fabrint12@juno.com>, Kenneth Otim
<k.otim01@gmail.com>, Juliet AkiteOwot <juliet.b3@gmail.com>, Levi Omara-Opyene
<opyene@yahoo.com>, Morine Akello <mmtimzzak@gmail.com>, Elizabeth Kikonde
<ekikonde@gmail.com>, Daniel Oming <dkikonde@gmail.com>, Edisa Akao
<edisa1@gmail.com>, JosephAngole <joeangole@yahoo.com>, Jack Oyugi
<jackoyugi@verizon.net>, "Hon.Alfred Nam" <annam@ugandaembassy.org>, "Hon. Sam
Omara Alwata" <bhoisam2002@yahoo.co.uk>, John Amokolo <jyamokolo@yahoo.com>,
PatrickOkullo <peboo@me.com>, Engola Omodi <mamaelder9@aol.com>, Arao Ameny
<araoameny@gmail.com>, Sylvia Nyana <sylvianyana@hotmail.com>, MargaretJato
<mlagulu@hotmail.com>, Mike Okwir <mokwir@hotmail.com>, Betty Odero
<crcf1@yahoo.com>, Helen Apio <rosehelly@yahoo.com>, Hudson Ayo
<ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, Mildred Amony Omara <mildred.omara@yahoo.com>, Mark
Odyek Agona <oagona@hotmail.com>, Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>,
Charles Owot <owotc@yahoo.com>, Alex Atim <atimalex@hotmail.com>, MillieOgwal
<makulloogwal@yahoo.com>, Adam Odwar <zubco2@gmail.com>, Rehema Apio
<apiorehema@yahoo.com>, Tom Opito <opito.tom@gmail.com>, Charles Ogole
<cogole@gmail.com>, Ayo Orech <uayorech@yahoo.ca>, Anna Aya <annaayaa@yahoo.com>,
Emmy Ogwal <eloggwal@yahoo.com>, Amego Dorothy <amegodorothy@gmail.com>,
"dicksonogwang@yahoo.com" <dicksonogwang@yahoo.com>
The Secretary,
Dr. Mike Ogwal,
LAONA Conference,
Thank you so much for this effort that you are putting in accertaining that the meeting takes
place. That would certainly be a great day for our community in the Americas.
One thing I wish to suggest here though is the participation and opinion of, or comments by the
community so that a general consensus is reached at about the venue and timing of the meeting. I
know a survey was taken, but no follow up comments were made.
First, by this I am encouraging members to directly engage each other on this issue, and many
others so that we are all on the same page.
Second, in order to enable members make payment subscription to the treasury, we have legal
steps to take to set up and account, and set up the modse of payment and other fudiciary
transactions. We need to move this issue forward before I can advice anybody on the way
forward.
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Thank you,
Ben Wacha
Treasurer,
LAONA.
c.c. Secretary General.
c.c. Secretary Legal Council.
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In this early stage of formation as a community it’s good to see all our steps forward being
embedded in democracy and transparency as a pivotal mechanism to engage and galvanize the
whole community as a unified house. It’s thus perplexing why the above crucial ideals have not
been incorporated in our current proposed venue selection process. Under the circumstance a
clarification is warranted as to how we confirmed Springfield, IL as the venue. When did the
executive committee and the community agree on this venue? How come we haven’t voted on
this venue or thought of other alternatives?
The above maybe a perfect venue but we still need to inform the community on the available
best options and garner their endorsement. Additionally and hopefully great consideration will be
placed on other competing alternatives to give members the best bang for their money.
It’s my hope that we’ll be able to move forward as a fully representative body. I know many
have worked hard and long to get us where we are, nevertheless, this by itself ought not to negate
the impetus or relevance for proper disclosure and involvement.
By seeking the community’s endorsement the normal expectation, as indicated herein above, is
that we would all be a part of the outcome in this process during every step of our wonderful
unfolding journey. As an attribute discussions and the ultimate community approval of any final
verdict will only make us more cohesive and stronger.
Apwoyo
Betty O’Dero
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Hello Morris,
You are now in. Please acknowledge by sending Habari.
Thanks
Ogwal
Interim Secrtary
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Deal all,
It is funny that I should reply (to) this email. In fact, (speaking formal
English), I was planning to hint (to) everyone that I am building an
application exclusively for the Lango Association in NA. By that, I
mean, - a broadly accessible software application tailored for the
Association needs. It may contain some innovative aspects that you may
never have encountered here and elsewhere.
administer a survey. The user interface will be very user friendly. Any
intermediate procedures that result in ties (draw) will (automatically) be
resolved through (re-administration) of the survey (using the proposed
Robert's Order of Rule -). (That way, 'Caesar' will stay out of the picture.
I love those appreciations, - not to be misunderstood. ). I joined this
Association not to talk technology.
- the application will solve the problem of "we did not receive the email
communication". A person will not receive communication iff he/she
does not register! The leaders (Executive Team) will know who exactly
has not paid membership dues, etc. Reminders will be sent out
automatically).
That's it - in a flash!
Caesar Ogole
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Hey Brother Caesar “Ogole” (just kidding with those quotation marks!),
That is deep! I cannot wait to see all those sky-is-the-limit kind of dreams and mentality of
yours comes true for our LAONA. Ours would become a pacesetter in deed without a doubt. I
love it donge-donge!
That you are doing it voluntarily, and free of charge - as a contribution to the association,
encourages me to redouble my on-going effort to draft the constitution & bylaws of our
Association pro bono, just as a small sacrifice to make for our be-loved community here in the
Diaspora.
Mede kede anyim!
Omara-Alwala
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Brother Caesar, thank you is in order for this bold initiative which you have
generously agreed to avail to our community. Thank you for being a
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dedicated Lango Jedi and a concerned global citizen. I am sure the entire
house appreciates this great jump to boost the velocity of our single speed
bicycle. Yes we definitely need the best tools at our disposal to triumph
over “Heavy Lifting” the beast. I am confident this timely ICT update would
go a long way giving us added efficiency and a real shot in the arm for
LAONA to advance faster with a better focus while preserving resources
and improving delivery as an inclusive, resilient and united house.
The intensive process of finally creating LA in the Americas has been in the
making for about 30 years. To all who have tirelessly worked to push the
envelope to the finishing line all your contributions have been a wonderful
formidable currency that continues to propel us forward.
Apwoyo
Hudson Ayo
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Thank you for the brilliant approach to these issues. I am always reluctant to resound to many of
the correspondences as I desire that our people in the diaspora make very independent decisions
and I desire to be as neutral as possible. Only coming in if I must.
At the moment I think discussions has been going on very well and I pray that we continue in
that spirit of love, humility and forbearance. I must up-loud Mike, the interment executive and all
of you guys for what you have done in bringing the Association to what it is today. I have no
doubt that the initial meeting will be a moment of great historical value. I can't wait to be part of
this great history in the making!
If I can remember, Mike proposed the venue long at the beginning of the conception of the idea
of the association and no one came up to oppose his proposal at the time. Even me I had in mind
that the first meeting of the Association will be as Mike had proposed save for the date which
was initially proposed for March 2013, the venue sounded good to me, after all, the land of
Abraham Lincoln wouldn't be a bad place for making history for the great people of Lango. Don't
let me create bias in your minds. cic
I also I'm a big believer in Democracy. On the other hand I humbly beg that we act in the spirit
of that will promote unity, love and mutual respect among our peoples. I must congratulate you
all for the great tone and respectful language that has dominated the discussion in the recent
past. This should continue. Take us wherever you will resolve to take us, we will follow.
Jo jok amalu!
Dickson
Dickson Ogwang
MINISTER COUNSELOR
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Apwoyo jo ducu. (Professor Omara, yin iyela matek! I'm looking forward to
review that by-law, just as you will most probably review the app.)
On a serious note, I think Dr. Ogwal made a very great effort in arranging to
welcome people to Springfield, IL. His message was very cordial.
Personally, I don't mind even if the venue was somewhere in Idaho or
Alaska, for the start, - as we get things in order. I am just concerned that
this kind of overnight development may inadvertently cause frustration to a
person like Dr. Ogwal who has done formidable job in getting things
started in a timely fashion. (Just a thought).
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<amegodorothy@gmail.com>, dicksonogwang@yahoo.com
Dear all,
Like Caesar, it really does not matter to me where this conference takes place. If the
dates are right for me, I will be there. I am however for now sold on Illinois for
reasons that are quite important to me when I travel to a conference like this one.
1. Accommodation - while Dr. Ogwal’s conference schedule needs work, the
hotel arrangement was incredible! I appreciated the fact that he actually went to
the extent of making arrangements for a conference block booking so that we can
all get (hopefully) decent accommodation at a reasonable price. It would be nice
for as many members as possible to attend this conference therefore
accommodation cost should not be a deterrent.
2. The fact that most members will be housed in the same hotel is very
attractive to me! This is great not only for conference proceedings but it is also
ideal for socializing and or networking. This is a great opportunity for us to hang
out without having to worry about other logistics. I know that there are people
who worry about the risk of us being wiped out by some known/unknown
enemy...(That was a concern at the Lango Conference 2012). Anyone who is
concerned about the possibility of this happening I am sure can find
accommodation elsewhere.
If someone can kindly provide accommodation details for alternate locations it will
be very helpful in helping us determine the location of this historic conference. Let’s
remember that this is only the first of many many LAONA Conferences. My
understanding from the beginning was that the locations would be rotated for every
subsequent conference so there will be numerous opportunities for us to visit many
cities in North America.
It would be nice to know if there are reasons other than the fact that it was just
announced without membership /Executive Team input why Illinois should not be in
the running as a location for this conference. Summer is a popular travel time so we
need to make this decision as soon as possible for us to book accommodation early.
Sincerely,
Florence
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Thank you, Dr. Ogwal. We greatly appreciate your hard work. As a follow up of our
conversation, I have reviewed the list and there are still many people who are not receiving these
messages because they have not provided their email addresses. I will be releasing the updated
list so that members receiving messages can pass information by word of mouth so that we can
have fully updated contacts for all members.
Apwoyo,
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membership.
Jojo Amalo, Rwot Obanga Bed Kedwu Ducu!!!
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Gloria Ameny-Dixon, Ph.D.
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Ok people, a bomb was dropped on this forum yesterday and our collective response- silence!
I hope most of you- if not all- sent at least a message to Dr. Ameny-Dixon privately to thank her
for the time she dedicated in helping get this association on its feet. As you can all see, it is
turning out to be a formidable task. I do understand Dr. Ameny-Dixon's need to step back and I
wish her the best in her many responsibilities.
While this is a setback for the association, we should get up from the ground, dust up ourselves
and try as best as possible to move this process forward. With no directives from the remaining
members of the Executive Team (nothing by the time of writing this e-mail) members may have
to step in and put forward proposals on how to proceed. We do not have a lot of time if we are
looking at May/June for the conference. We will need to move forward fast. Please note that this
is an open call to members to let others know how best to move this forward.
If on the other hand the Executive Team has a plan to move forward, we would very much like to
hear it - the sooner the better.
Let's talk...I would like to hear what you all have to say.
Sincerely,
Florence
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Dear all, I like to make few suggestions in light of the fragmentation and this new
avoidable turbulence which as a community we now find ourselves engulfed in. This
looks like a simple bump along our journey which has given us a flat tire. We should
thus step up and fix this glitch ASAP and move forward to our destination of promise.
To move forward we are fully aware of the ready availability of the appropriate tools
for the task at hand. To do this we need to strictly adhere to and anchor all our
solutions in democracy and full transparency while refraining from being guided by
what’s convenient for a minority fringe group. For example having already done the
research, it was an open secret within the executive that Silver Springs, MD was a
superior and cheaper alternative for our members. It’s thus perplexing and concerning
why instead the inaugural summit was pushed to Springfield, IL without sufficient
information nor was the community even allowed to approve its adoption as the venue.
Many of us including me have not problem coming to this venue, however, we should
be careful not to saddled our unsuspecting members with onerous expenses. This is
real money which will be forcibly extracted from our members. Why can’t we do better to
shield our members from this unnecessary abuse and unacceptable waste of limited
resources?
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Yes it's great for LAONA to have a nice initial summit but how do we really justify
allowing our people to be over burdened with any unnecessary avoidable extra fees just
because it's convenient? In order for our people to do better in “Greater Lango” which
now includes the Americas it’s important for us to work together while respecting and
listening to all voices.
The above fiasco is a vivid example of where the seeds of discord and confusion have
been inadvertently allowed to creep into our house. My recommendation is for us to put
this behind us ASAP.
I take this opportunity to remind the community that we are all important contributors
and pillars of LOANA. All we seek is only the best for the community and there is very
little that divides us. Without any ambiguity, we should thus follow a path which is
inclusive, democratic and transparent.
Apwoyo,
Hudson
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Ref: ATTACHMENT
It is very simple matter to me, and we need not make it a big deal.
Little did I know that my offer to automate LAONA workflow would
serve people not well. And so I resign.
And I will be brief:
3. It does not matter to me how long one has been here and
there. What matters is “what positive things has one done?!” I
agree that I was ignorant about some of the issues you brought
out and I appreciate that you caused it to be known to me.
Sincerely,
Caesar Ogole
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Brother Caesar,
Whatever we are experiencing now is just a bump in the road. Please take my word for it. Ours
is a membership organization. It is not a property of one man. I would not give a damn (excuse
my language) to Ogwal's rants. It is of no consequence at all. LAONA is unstoppable. It will
materialize on our own terms. No one is prouder of your contributions to LAONA than me. I am
heartened by your closing remarks that "I will be continue to be a member, nevertheless". Way
to go brother!
I will be making my own statement to the membership soon. Stay tuned.
Omara-Alwala
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To all,
Thank you for your email updates in regards to the ongoing planning and preparations for an
inaugural meeting which based from what I am reading, will be based in Chicago, a not so
universally decided venue for the moment. If I may, I would like to throw in my suggestion for
Maryland as some members have already mentioned. This is because Maryland is close to so
many of our dignitaries representing Uganda on official duties here in Washington D.C and New
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York. I would suggest that we do not make these important ladies and gentlemen travel so far
away and rather bring the venue nearer to them.. It is a sign of respect to all those representing
the Republic of Uganda on official duties. On the other hand, I think that it is also appropriate to
organize a venue where the majority of the members resides.
There needs to be a clear structural leadership established before any meeting or venue can be
decided upon. Because this is a group, the group members must then appoint an individual whom
they collectively wish to represent them. Self appointment should be discouraged for high profile
positions in this new organization although volunteerism can be well appreciated. Team work is
key to any successful formation of an organization and it appears that it is lacking in most of the
email communications that I am reading, and more of a one person's.
Lastly, Ms. Betty Odero's points along with others who are on the side of transparency are in
line with what I think needs to be undertaken for a successful planning of a gathering. It is in the
best interest to all those who are involved in this great intended gathering to communicate in a
manner that is inclusive and transparent.
On a positive note; I am more than delighted to learn that there are many Langis here in North
America, and I look forward to meeting everybody as we plan on having a get together. I hope
that all the preparation can go on smoothly but first, we need a leader!
Thank you,
Sarah, Alobo
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Dear Caesar and All
I am totally shocked to see your email stating that you have resigned. First of all I want to thank
Dr Gloria for her time served. Caesar, I want to take this time to thank you and to encourage you
to hang on with us. The ICT application you introduced to us was not anything bad. If it was
not good for one person then don’t quit because me and countless many do value your efforts. I
know you meant well to ask us to declare our professional titles. Whoever is afraid to list their
profile, I think they have the right to say no because its voluntary.
Secondly, I agree with the community that we need to move forward but I would like to suggest
that we have a task force headed by a Facilitator instead of an interim Secretary General. By this
I mean, a task force who will only be responsible in this case to establish the association
successfully and organize its facilitators. All the other members of the task force should be
volunteers. THIS IS MY SUGGESTION.
Thirdly, I wish to comment on the email sent by me through Ben that the ones Gloria sent, my
email was not on the list so I sent it to Ben to put my response in the group email due to time and
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where I was. In management, some leaders have terrible people’s skills and it is very clear that
is what we are suffering from since Gloria left. By choosing our leaders, I suggest that we
should take this into consideration.
One of the primary drawback is that the majority of our people have decided to not get involved
because they are reluctant to be part of a process which does not show fairness or transparency.
As for me Betty I only know the people from Philadelphia and they are ready to move as a group
and they will not accept any member to dictate to them.
The one man show that we currently have does not meet the smell test, and does not show
democracy because it fails to adequately represent the interest of the community. Its strange and
awkward that even today, we have one person holding multiple offices, e.g treasurer, secretary
and an interim secretary general this approach does not clearly represent the community in the
best way. To be inclusive and democratic, it’s time to seek the community’s participation
otherwise this will turn to be counterproductive.
Number four, if we are doing it the right way with the support of the community, all those
appointed by Gloria if they want another position should first resign from the position they hold
now since Gloria did not dissolve the committee she appointed.
If we are serious of moving forward without drama, and politics, then based on that I am going to
say there are so many Langis from New York through Virginia are ready and will be very happy
to be involved with LANGONA.
Apwoyo,
Betty
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.
Dear Betty and All:
I wasn't aware that currently most of the offices of the proposed LAONA is
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being held by one person. Since our Sister Dr. Gloria stepped down followed
by half her entire executive team it's time for us to make a fresh start. It's
however disturbing to hear that the current secretary who hasn’t stepped
down now holds three offices. Additionally he is instructing the public to send
subscription checks directly to him without approval from the house. I
personally find it strange for this to unfold this way. As An organization all this
drama puts us in a disadvantaged since it voids all the ideals of democracy
and good governance.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo
structure in place, I am glad that Dr, Gloria voluntered to lead and guide us down this path, but
now we have grown legs and wings, I think we can now begin excercising democracy and please
let it reign. I call upon members to exercise patience and deligence while we transition through
this water. I beleive that we now have a mechanism that can walk us through to the other end.
Thirdly, as a member of the executive, I wish to call upon other members of the executive to
consult amongst ourselves and charter a way froward from here. I beleive that a clear way
forward is crucial at this stage for us. We have all the time; at least there is nothing more
important that being organised and ready in such a sitution. I call upon the members for their
input so that we can get a new Interim Secretary General so that we move forward. While I
appreciate Dr. Mike Ogwal's voluntary move, I would add that I think there is no need to to ruch
into taking positions. After all he was the Secretary of the organisation, and it would still fall on
his shoulder to help steer this organization forward. I think protocol and wisdom would call on
him first to resign from his position of Secretary, and then offer his name for volunteering, and it
is either seconded or short down. As the Interim Secretary, Dr. Mike Ogwal should first reset our
button to reorganize us and then we begin looking at the way forward. I now wonder who is
handling the resignations and assention to power going on here.
Finally, I had first held back my appreciation of Bro. Ceaser's offer to offer Langi the best of the
technoilogy world. I admired that move and greatly looked forward to using it fast in our
organization. I also regret to read of his resignation from the executive body of LAONA. But I
think let me still reserve the right to call upopn Bro. Ceaser to please stay around untill we reset
this thing, and as members of the executive, charter the way forward. I think what is imp[ortangt
is what we have already started here for our Langi for now and years to come. This is just a
suggestion.
As a Lango, I think we are better than that, and we can surely do better at organizing ourselves. I
call on Dr. Mike to reconsider his move, and as the Secretary of the organization and call the
house to order, and we move forward from here.
Thank You,
Ben Wacha.
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Amego/Omego;
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During this early infancy in this pre-formation stage, the LAONA data team
did well with the limited information it had to work with. It’s thus misleading
and counterproductive for anyone to suggest otherwise or try to diminish
their relevance and contributions. Instead of inventing excuses or
blaming others for our shortcomings, it’s time to fix our flat tire and move
on.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo.
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Q.Q.: " Quitters never win & winners never Quit " - Anon.
Omego O. Ceaser,
Sincerely,
Amego D. Gift.
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On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Thomas Omara-Alwala < omara44@mchsi.com > wrote:
Dear All,
We have reached a fork in the road. We have to find a way out of it immediately. We must not allow
anyone or a group of individuals to hijack our Association for their own selfish interests.
Our organization is a membership Association. It is composed of members who have the power and
authority to operate or administer the Association as they deem fit.
Membership of our organization is open to anybody that supports the purpose and the democratic
conduct of our Association.
Leadership for our Association is by the popular vote of the members; it is not by self-appointment.
I propose that we elect a competent and selfless individual through a popular vote of the members to
serve as a Facilitator of our on-going group effort to create our Association. That elected individual is
free to work with any volunteers from among us to accomplish our mission.
Therefore, I propose that you submit your nominations for the Facilitator of LAONA to Ms. Florence
Ocen no later than Friday February 22, 2013 . Florence will conduct and declare the results of the
election on Saturday February 23, 2013.
Please send your nomination to Florence Ocen via the e-mail at the following address:
ocen_florence@yahoo.com
The above is my 2 cents to get us out of this shameful mess and to move on.
Apwoyo
Omara-Alwala
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First and foremost I request that we all put down our weapons. In that position no body will be injured.
This is a normal process in Group Formation "Mgt 101". It should have been anticipated. We must all
realize that this Association, "Lango" is greater than all. In the end, it will serve everybody adequately.
Therefore, the Lango elders used to joke and say that, "OTINO LOGU MOT"! So keep your spanners
away.
At the resignation of Gloria, we are left with Ben Wacha and Mike Ogwal.as Interim Executives. I request
that Mike withdraws his proposal to Act as Secretary General so is Betty. Allow both Ben and Mike to
continue as Executives up to. the scheduled meeting time. After Elections those positions will cease
unless ratified by the GM. Fresh elections will be carried out by the GM. Any member has a right to
stand for an office. After the formation, we shall then laugh it off, shake hands and go home, happy for
our new born Baby, Lango Association of North America, ready to do work for the community.
Adam Odwar.
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Omara-Alwala
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Mr Adam
Can you please send me and cc the group the information your are relying on to make this point
about me. My name is my identity so when its in a document, I can defend it. I was quiet for a
while but now I am on board. We have a group that are very professional and we have to keep it
that way.
If you have any question, feel free to write me directly.
I am not a diplomat but a qualified public accountant with multiple masters degrees and a CEO
for my own company.
Its me Betty.
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Thank you members for a lively discussion in the last 24 hours! This is what democracy should be about
– free exchange of ideas. I have a few things I would like to address here so I will try to be brief on points
to avoid sending out a “newspaper”.
1. We WILL continue to have surveys. This is the only way our members can make decisions and or
reach a consensus as a group for now. Future elected Executive will make the call on this once they are
in office.
2. I suggest that Mr. Caesar Ogole proceeds with the development of the proposed application. Once
development is complete, the application will be presented to the members to test and then vote on its
use by the Association. If members decide to adopt the use of the application there will be many
features of the application that will allow for members to opt out on some aspects of the application
(e.g. member profile if they wish), or opt out completely. The options and possibilities are endless. This
is the digital age people!
Last night suggestions were made as to how we can move this process forward and thank you all for the
proposals. I know that members may be a bit confused now as we have on the table two very credible
offers. I believe, as many members have already alluded to, that this process requires us to be
transparent and democratic. So here is how I would like to handle the proposals:
a. If our brother Dr. Ogwal withdraws his proposal as Adam has proposed, we will ask the members to
determine through a survey whether they would like to see the remaining 3 members of the Executive
Team (Mr. Ben Wacha, Dr. Mike Ogwal and Ms. Arao Ameny) continue as our leaders till the first
conference is held OR if they would rather have a Task Force take over till the first conference.
b. If Dr. Ogwal prefers taking on the leadership of the process as he has proposed and does not
withdraw his proposal, the Executive Team as it currently exists will cease to exist because they would
have already lost 60% of the Team. We will then give the members the opportunity to select, again
through a survey, whether they would like Dr. Ogwal to lead us through this process to the conference
OR if they would like to have a Task Force take over from the defunct Executive.
I am calling for a full house on the votes. We have reached a critical stage and we need to move fast to
get Hudson’s “Space Ship” off the launch pad. If we do not hear from Dr. Ogwal by end of day today, we
will launch a survey first thing tomorrow and get the members to vote on option b.
Sincerely,
Florence
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Florence,
Good idea, and good way forward. I hope members take it at heart and seriously. I pray
that sanity returns and reigns amongst members.
Thank You all,
Ben Wacha.
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Thanks Florence I agree with all that you have put before the house.
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I have just implemented and tested one of my favorite aspects of the application which I am
voluntarily working on: a fellow LAONA member’s birthday reminder!
Suppose such a birthday alert came tearing through my email or phone SMS inbox during one of
those occasionally boring weekends and/or awkwardly prolonged silence among the LAONA
community (as it sometimes happens), I’m sure it would make a difference in moods, in a
general sense. As for me (who is) a party animal, I would quickly take a boda-boda to PA or IL,
wherever the birthday party is! I don’t have to wait for a whole year for a LAONA GM!
Just a quick heads up that I am doing the work, while we apply “Mgt 101” to resolve the stand-
off. (It is one thing throwing in sporadic pieces of advice. It is another actually volunteering to
do it, say as part of the Interim Executive Team )
Back to the birthday reminder, as an example, it is not required, but it will be available as an
option. Year of birth is optional, if one want to enter just the birthday/month!
Then, the time for serious business comes when I have to go to the Document Section (of the
application) to review the Prof. Omara’s proposed Constitution, of course with an English
Dictionary beside my jPad. (Some of you are still using iPad).
I like to think of LAONA as a blend of formality and informality, depending on the issue at
hand.
Cheers!
Caesar Ogole
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Caesar,
You will not need a dictionary for the finished version of our constitution. The final draft will be
in an eighth grader's language, not an easy task to edit, if at all. For example, how would you
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edit the following two statements to make them even shorter and clearer in meaning? 1) Jesus
wept. 2) I am that I am.
The B'day reminder sounds like fun stuff. I would not make the year even an option in it for fear of ID
theft by fraudsters. You know, not every one is a Caesar when it comes to protecting their ID. Just
the date and the month are enough.
Igwoko lum cobo wangi,
Omara-Alwala
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LAONA:
Please allow me to inform you all, without a doubt, that the person
who is controlling and directing the formation of the proposed
LAONA, and is strongly against the conference to be in Illinois, is
remotely located outside the US. He is a Minister in the
Museveni's government. You all know who he is. Recently
he sent 10 millions shillings to one of our members here in
the US/PA, to finance the formation of LAONA. THAT IS A
STOLLEN DONOR MONEY MEANT FOR THE PEACE
RECOVERY AND DEVELOPMENT PLAN (PRDP) FOR LANGO
SUB-REGION.
WE ARE KEENLY WAITING FOR THAT REPRESENTATIVE OF
THE NRA GOVERNMENT TO USE THAT MONEY IN THE
FORMATION OF LAONA, AND THEN WE WILL ALERT THE US
GOV/POLICE/AG, TO STEP IN. The Minister wants the
conference to be held in Silver Spring, MD, so that you guys who
are scheming to "vote Dr. Ogwal out" may elect the the person
who will serve the Mu7's interest, not your/our interest. You
want to bet? Go ahead with the conference in MD, and you will
prove me right.
i LOVE YOU ALL.
Dr. Mike Ogwal, CNS
President & CEO, Natural Health & Healing Institute
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Broadway Caesar,
Today in this globally data driven world, in which we all live in, your great initiative and
welcomed contributions are very much appreciated.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo
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As I suggested yesterday that we would run a survey to determine way forward from our current impasse,
if I read correctly, Dr. Ogwal has "volunteered" himself out. This means there is no need to run the survey
as we have only one option left to us now - the formation of a Task Force.
Many of you are familiar with Task Forces. This Task Force's only responsibility will be to establish the
association successfully and organize its inauguration. The Task Force will dissolve as soon as
these responsibilities are completed. I am therefore inviting members to submit the name of any member
they believe would make a good Facilitator for this Task Force. Members can also self nominate so
please do not wait to be nominated. The Facilitator will work with the members to see that we achieve our
intended goal successfully.
It is now up to the members to exercise their rights to determine who they would like to move us forward.
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Sincerely,
Florence
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cf1@yahoo.com
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Cc: Adam Odwar ; Thomas Omara-Alwala ; Margaret Ekwan ; Sara Alobo ; Paul Wacha ; Richard O.
Wacha ; Richard Omondi ; Eunice Akullo Owot ; Leo Odongo ; Pito Pius ; Silver O. Ajal ; Liliy Ron ; Morris
Otim ; Bruno Opio Okuja ; Kenneth Otim ; Juliet Akite Owot ; Levi Omara-Opyene ; Maureen Akello ;
Elizabeth Kikonde ; Daniel Oming ; Edisa Akao ; Joseph Angole ; Jack Oyugi ; Hon. Alfred Nam ; Hon.
Sam Omara Alwata ; John Amokolo ; Patrick Okullo ; Engola Omodi ; Gloria Ameny-Dixon ; Arao Ameny ;
Sylvia Nyana ; Margaret Jato ; Mike Okwir ; Hon. Dickson Ogwang ; Helen Apio ; Hudson Ayo ; Mildred
Amony Omara ; Mark Odyek Agona ; Charles Owot ; Alex Atim ; Ben Magamo Wacha ; Millie Ogwal ;
Rehema Apio ; Tom Opito ; Ayo Orech ; Anna Aya ; Emmy Ogwal ; Dorothy Adero ; Abduo Ogwang ;
Florence Ocen
Members of LAONA,
Below are the results of the nominations for our Task Force Facilitator. In total, 18 members
sent in their nominations. Four members were nominated as follows:
Mr. Charles Owot, Mr. Adam Odwar and Dr. Mike Ogwal each received one nomination (5.56%
each).
With these results, it is clear that Dr. Thomas Omara-Alwala will be our Task Force Facilitator.
Thank you very much to all the members who sent in their nominations. The Facilitator takes
over the leadership of the Task Force effective immediately.
I would like to thank the members of our now defunct Executive Team for bringing us up to this
point. Together again, let's move forward.
Sincerely,
Florence
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Members of LAONA,
Find attached my letter of acceptance of your nomination as the Taskforce Facilitator of
LAONA.
Thank you very much Everybody!
Wadwu,
Omara-Alwala
ATTACHMENT:
First, I want to express my earnest gratitude to our very own dear sister, Ms. Florence Ocen, for an
exceptional job of overseeing the nomination of Facilitator of the Lango Association of North America
(LAONA). How could we have done it without her?
Secondly, I want to thank everybody for selecting me by an overwhelming majority as the Facilitator of
our continued effort to establish LAONA. What a great confidence you have shown in me! I accept of
course your nomination as the Facilitator of Lango Association of North America.
Thirdly, our officials of the now defunct interim Administration deserve in every bit as much
understanding and appreciation from us as we can give them. They did their best under a contentious
circumstance to lay us a foundation to form a perfect Association. On your behalf, I look forward to
having their continued support of our effort and wish them the very best of luck in their endeavors.
Your charge for me is to help lead a Taskforce of volunteer members to form LAONA and to organize its
inauguration, hopefully, by the end of this coming June 2013. However, your charge will not bear any
fruits if you do not volunteer yourselves, individually or collectively, to help me help us succeed.
As are aware by now, I am a strong believer in democracy, transparency and shared governance. I value
disagreements over issues very much in deed. I just do not appreciate being disagreeable because of a
disagreement. I am task-oriented. I strongly support the use of technology for solving our problems.
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I would be remiss if I did not make my opinion known about our inherent temptation to mix partisan
politics and our Association. I cannot stress enough that ours is a cultural Association organized by us
and for us to celebrate our Lango heritage here in North America. I will not support any attempt by any
one, whether they are member or non-member, to mix partisan politics with the affairs of our Association.
Finally, let me be clear about the possible venues of our Association’s meetings, including of its
Inauguration later this year. The Lango Association of North America is free to hold its meetings
anywhere and everywhere at the discretion of its leadership, period.
Once again, thank you everybody! I look forward to reaching out to you all, either individually or
collectively, in the coming days and weeks in our concerted effort to create a perfect Association for
ourselves, and our future Lango generations in North America. This is a New Beginning for the Lango
Association of North America.
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Dear
This is my personal invitation to you to serve on my Facilitator’s Taskforce Membership with a
charge for us to establish and organize successfully the inauguration of our Lango Association of
North America (LAONA) by the end of this coming June 2030. Although I may not know you
thoroughly my knowledge of you through this forum speaks volumes of your talents, intellect,
integrity and an unparallel commitment to the creation of this Association no matter what. To
that end, I have many respects for you.
Kindly let me know by the close of business tomorrow if you accept my invitation to volunteer
as a member of my Taskforce.
Apwoyo twatwal,
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA
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Thank you very much for having faith in me at this crucial formative stage for our Association. I
took a little while to write back because I was not sure how to respond. I am more than willing to
join others in assisting you with the facilitation task. It is important that I make it clear (that) my
contribution, for now, may be limited to a few areas. For example, I am not in a position to make
several trips to arrange for meeting venue due to prior work commitments. However, I am
available to correspond remotely and help with coordination, if need be.
Also, as you know, I am actively working on building an online collaboration system for
LAONA, if you will, and it is important that I am kept in the loop just so that I can augment the
functionality to address the real needs of the Association. In a nutshell, I am offering to work
with you, but I would rather be regarded as a not-so-active volunteer as far as the arrangement
for the Summer General Meeting is concerned.
Caesar Ogole
P.S. I am looking at end of March, when the application will be made available to users.
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Brother Caesar,
That's great! I understand and appreciate your limitations! Actually, the something applies even
to me, go figure! That is why I value the use of technology so much for our tasks. I will expect
minimal active movement, if any, of the members of the Taskforce throughout our deliberations.
Hence, let your heart not be troubled.
I could not be happier to have you as a member of this would-be the real founding fathers and
mothers of the Lango Association of North America. I will get back with you as soon as I have
heard from every invitee to the Taskforce. In the meantime, I have a draft of an application idea
form that I have designed for your consideration. I will send it to you in another e-mail later
today. Your timeframe of March sounds good to me.
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God bless,
Omara-Alwala
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You are very welcome, Thomas! Feel free to send me any ideas for consideration. That's what
we should have started with, ideally - but it's fine. It will be easier to make enhancements once
we have a starting point.
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Regards,
Caesar
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Caesar,
Find attached the LAONA Membership Application Form I referred in my previous message to
you. It includes the membership fee of $ 50:00 decided by the members earlier. However, it
does not include the annual subscription of $ 50:00, which follows in the subsequent years. $
50:00 annually of subscription is too much for any similar or professional organizations. Thus, I
reduced it unilaterally to an amount that was reasonable and comparable with other
organizations, including even professional organizations. Most important of all my form
addresses both the individual and family rates. Ours did not even consider the family rates at
all.
Look at the form, anyway, and let me know what you think of it it. We could always do anything
we like under the Taskforce mandate and let the members revise it afterwards if they do not
support our decision.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA.
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Excellent job, Thomas! I am very delighted, and I look forward to working with and learning from fellow
Task Force members.
Another quick but important note: my name is Caesar Ogole, not Charles Ogole. The person who first
included me in the list sometime last year apparently had only my email address (cogole@gmail.com),
and I guess he/she just made up my first name. Since then, my name tag in the email list keeps coming
back as "Charles" although I have tried many times to change to it.
I have faith in all the members of the Task Force although I have not yet had the opportunity to meet
them in person!
Thank you,
Caesar Ogole
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Caesar,
I know you have been complaining for time immemorial in vain about this wrong name of
"Charles" forced on your last name by some one. I have carried the mistake forward by the use
of "cut and paste' laziness. I apologize for it. I am sorry! I will be more careful in the future.
Apwoyo miya ngeyo!
Omara-Alwala
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Membership Application
Founded in March 2013, the Lango Association of North America (LAONA) is a non-profit
organization dedicated to promoting Lango heritage and culture.
First time membership initiation dues are $50.00 individual and $60.00 per family. Annual
membership fees are $ 25.00 per individual and $ 30.00 per family the following year and
thereafter.
You do not have to be Lango to become a member. You join to celebrate all things Lango!
Membership type:
____ Individual
____ Family (a family membership consists of children, ages 17 and under, and/or spouse
residing within the same household)
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Name: ____________________
Birth Month: ____________________
E-mail: ____________________
Spouse Name: ____________________
Birth Month: ____________________
E-mail: ____________________
Mailing Address:
City: ____________________State/Province: _____________ Country: ______________
Zip Code: ____________________
Contact Phone: ____________________
Date: ____________________
Note: If you have children ages 17 and under, please provide their name, birth month and
birth year in the space provided below.
Birth Month/Year
Childs Name
1) ____________________ 1) ____________________
2) ____________________ 2) ____________________
3) ____________________ 3) ____________________
4) ____________________ 4) ____________________
5) ____________________ 5) ____________________
6) ____________________ 6) ____________________
After completing this application form, please include US $50.00 cash or check made
payable to the “LAONA” and mail it to the following address:
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Thomas - yes, you did fix my first name in the email address. I appreciate that level of
consciousness.
All - I had already reviewed the LAONA Membership Application Form, and I had no further
suggestion. I will follow consensus and take necessary follow up actions as hinted by the Task
Force Chief Facilitator. I expect to have an initial version of the automated system available to
members by end of March.
Caesar Ogole
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Brother Charles,
You were not being asked to fill or complete the form at this time. You were only being asked to review
the form for now; then to tell the group if you supported it or not. Please read my previous e-mail
message again and then respond to it accordingly.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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Good morning to all.
Attached are my comments on the form. The form is simple and straight forward, I just had a few
minor comments.
Thanks,
Florence
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Hi everybody:
The form and fee is good but, I was just thinking about if others are free
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to become members, so dose this mean the none Lango can vote too?
Thank you.
Betty
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Personally I think the membership should be restricted to Lango (Langi??) but because the
constitution will allow for the "adoption of members", there needs to be some clarification on
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the conditions under which such adoptions will take place and whether the adopted members will
have the rights as the other members.
However, once a member of an association, you must be accorded all rights and responsibilities
of a member, otherwise the association runs the risk of creating a tiered membership!
Florence
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Dear All,
This membership stuff is a tricky but very important question. Our proposed constitution and
bylaws are clear on our purpose. Following is our Association purpose as stated in both the
constitution and the bylaws:
ARTICLE 3 - PURPOSE
Section 2: The specific charitable and public purposes for which the Association is organized
include (i) promoting social, cultural, educational, and economic progress of the Lango and
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their lineal descendents of Uganda in North America. (ii) using its income and principal to carry
on activities or programs which support or benefit the Association; and (iii) carrying out such
other activities as the Board of Directors determines will benefit and support the Corporation.
Both our constitution and the bylaws are flexible enough to authorize our Board of Directors to
consider any non-Lango for membership who supports our above-stated purpose. I think this is a
very good thing for our organization. It shows we do not discriminate, except one does not
support our purpose.
I would not want to see the likes of Bill Gates denied membership consideration even when they
put their money where their mouth is in support of the purpose of our Association. In addition, I
do not honestly foresee a scramble by the non-Lango to take over the Association from us, the
Lango, any time soon.
I strongly suggest that is in our best interest to welcome others to our Association if they can
demonstrate their genuine interest and support of our Association.
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA
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Our charge was twofold. First, the charge is to establish the Association. Second, it is to organize the
Inauguration of the Association. There is more need for us to keep going back to the Members to re-seek
the authority and power they have already given us. The March date for the registration of the
organization is a timeline only to keep our eyes on the ball. It is subject to revision anytime dependent on
the actual date of registration of the Association.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
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Florence,
I actually discussed the issue of birthday with Caesar on this forum before. For fear of identity theft, we
do not want to include the exact birthday of a person on our membership form. The month and the
year are adequate to separate the minors (17 years and below) from the adults (18 years and above).
On your second question, the Taskforce has the mandate to make any decision they consider is in the
best interest of the Association or of the members. Members can always reject or revise our decisions as
they deem fit at the end of the day. None of our actions is necessarily permanent. I suggest the
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Greetings… indeed I am so impressed by all this great work and input from all
of you. Please be informed that my heart has of late been beating a little faster
with each round of new ideas being brought to the table by this task force.
Thank you to all of you for allowing us to resume the historic countdown to the
ultimate launch and liftoff of our “Space Ship”
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MEMBERSHIP
In many corporate and private organizations it’s very common to have several
types of recognized participants and supporters. Some of the notable
scenarios includes but isn’t limited to the following:
MEMBERSHIP DUES
I suggest that we deploy the internet as the primary platform for signing up
members and managing our receivables. In this digital age upon signing up
online on our website, prior to checkout members/applicants could be given
online payment as our preferred option or they do it via mail. Online payment
processing solution is simple to implement and will give us needed added
efficiencies. We should adopt this as our primary payment option and with
Brother Caesar Ogloe’s good spit, perhaps the whole thing could be
seamlessly integrated together.
Apwoyo
Hudson Ayo
PS: By the way, I just raised my eyes up and saw “Heavy Lifting” the beast
lick his lips right in front of us. It’s totally unacceptable this animal was
aggressively munching on fragments of Teboke, Kole, Lira, Alebtong, Aloi
and Apac in broad daylight with no shame.... Is our laser artillery ready?...
one of these days we gonna zap him!
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MARCH 2013
---------- Original message ----------
From: Charles Owot <owotc@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 3:04 AM
Subject: Re: Membership Application Form
To: Hudson Ayo <ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>,
Caesar Ogole <cogole@gmail.com>, Betty Odero <crcf1@yahoo.com>, Adam Odwar
<zubco2@gmail.com>, Edisa Akao <edisa1@gmail.com>, Thomas Omara-Alwala
<omara44@mchsi.com>
Hello Lango,
Hudson Ayo last sentence reads.
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"PS: By the way, I just raised my eyes up and saw “Heavy Lifting” the beast lick his
lips right in front of us. It’s totally unacceptable this animal was aggressively
munching on fragments of Teboke, Kole, Lira, Alebtong, Aloi and Apac in broad
daylight with no shame.... Is our laser artillery ready?... one of these days we gonna
zap him! "
Could you please elaborate on this point before you zap any body, you are aggressive for
nothing. Lango kobo ni welo log mot.
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First I thank All-Mighty God, Obanga, Allah, for bringing us together in this team. I had
promised Prof. Tom that I will not say a word in this deliberation. That position has changed for
now conscientiously. Therefore, in discussing membership and other serious matters pertaining
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to the formation of a legitimate organization, which will represent our intended objectives and,
mode of doing business for the entity and its membership, I need to see it pictorially through
some chart or, organogram. This may help my clarity over issues in an objective way. What I'm
asking now is in reference to the position of membership to the organization, but will also help to
answer many questions later. Any member is free to provide answer to my question. I need this
answer before we even get deeper into the question of who is a member and, what type of
membership we need to develop and what are their relationship to the Association.
Z. Adam Odwar.
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Find attached my proposed Organizational Chart of LAONA. I hope that addresses yor need
see it pictorially through some chart or, organogram. The chart is in a PowerPoint slide. I hope it
helps your clarity over issues in an objective way.
I una pat okea. Ka i lima, atamere twatwal ka myero aneki gweno onyo atedi icwica ape dang
olelo
Omara-Alwala
LEGAL COUNSEL
MEMBERS OF LAONA
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God bless you Florence. I wonder who is asking for progress? When Omara has just taken over
and he said the outgoing team had not done much. They should send their contributions to
Omara of what they they deem necessary or to Hudson Ayo one of the volunteers. "united we
stand."
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Hello all,
the new beginning for LAONA.
Protocol does not allow me to answer your questions. HOwever, if questions could be directed to
the facilitator would be apreciated.
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(Para-?)Legal Advice on
Constitution
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Hi Professor,
The legal language here is very important. It's not really a matter of our thoughts - it's the language that
has to be crystal clear. I'm speaking here as someone who has worked in the legal field. I'm specifically
referring to the words "lineal descendants". The issue is not whether one's children are one's own or
not, the issue is the appropriate language in our documents to address one of the issues of membership.
Why rush the Constitution (when all members haven't even weighed in on it) through the process when
there can possibly be many other points in it that need to be tweaked?
I suggest our Legal Counsel review this as well- if you need pro bono Legal commentary on this issue, I
can loop in some great attorneys to weigh in.
Best regards,
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Hi Edisa,
A child is either yours biologically or yours through a legal adoption. That is a fact in Uganda as well as in
North America. Hence, I do not see a need for us to revise the constitution to include what is already
implicit in it.
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Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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Edisa,
I agree with you about the need to use theappropriate language in our Constitution for addressing
the issues, esp. of membership. I do not know whether you received a copy of it or not but
I shared my initial drafts of the Constitution actually twice with every member of the Association
way back during the early days of the defunct leadership. I specifically asked members to
review the documents and send me their suggestions, if any, for revision. I only heard back from
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two, I repeat two individuals. One simply said that they preferred mine to a Lango Association
UK Constitution submitted by another member. Our colleague Caesar Ogole was the second and
only individual who actually reviewed it critically and provided me with substantive suggestions
for revision. Since then I have been improving it repeatedly to make it relatively brief, concise
and readable. I have also promised to give members a PowerPoint presentation of the
Constitution, along with a hard copy of my final draft at the Inauguration before a motion to
approve it with amendments, if any, on the second day of the conference. Hence, it is not true to
suggest that I am rushing the Constitution (when all members haven't even weighed in on it)
through the process when there can possibly be many other points in it that need to be
tweaked.
I would appreciate it very much in deed if you could use your Legal Counsel to review our
Constitution and the Bylaws for us pro bono. Just let me know when I should send you the
documents via the e-mail. I do not mean to rush you but please bear with me that; still, time is of
the essence in this matter.
Thank you very much for your useful comments and generous offer to assist us with the legal reviews of
our Constitution and the Bylaws.
Best regards,
Omara-Alwala
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Please give us a chance to fulfill our mission. If you have questions or concerns, please let me know
directly; not annonimously; or through a third party. I will answer you expeditiously. If you have nothing
to contribute, get out of the way and let others make a difference.
Apwoyo,
LAONA Taskforce
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Brother Alex,
Felicitous salutations to you for joining hands to serve as a team member on this
crucial LAONA Taskforce. Sorry to hear about your sore and bruised arm. Under the
circumstance, since you are in New England, an effective therapeutic remedy is to
spend the rest of this cold weekend nursing it in an igloo on a nice warm bowl of olel
of New England clam chowder…then top it with good bojo before washing it down
with your favorite beverage and next day you will be ready to go.
In addition to appalling conditions in our ancestral homeland, many Langi across the
Americas are today living and paying taxes as silent and unnoticed contributors to
progress in numerous localities in many states or provinces. By working together as a
united community, for our common good, we will start to have a very positive impact
on our narrative both in the Americas and also back in Lango. Today there are
tremendous untapped opportunities all around us and as a prerequisite for access to
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benefit our community it’s imperative for us to forge forward together as LAONA.
I take this opportunity to thank you and the entire team of the LAONA taskforce for
stepping forward to help work on a vital needed change in our community instead of
just watching in awe from the sidelines as has been the case for years. Compliments
also go to our Facilitator for his great stewardship which has enabled us to fasten our
seat belts and hit the ground running in less than a week.
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Subject: Re: Introducing A New Taskforce Volunteer - Mr. Alex Atim Ayang
A very warm welcome to brother Alex! I am sure your arm is still sore from all the arm twisting the
Professor did to get you on this Taskforce. But we highly welcome the addition.
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Florence
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Prof. Tom,
Let me again congratulate those members of our community who have volunteered to join hands
with everybody to bring to fruition this cultural effort.
Needless to say that I am extrememly delighted at the way 'We' are taking it at heart to move
ourselves forward. By this Iwish to also enter my names in the register as a volunteer for this
movement. I should have done this much earlier, but my other life's commitment took me away
from focus a little bit. But it is never too late. Please include my name as a volunteer.
Thank You and May God Bless you.
Benjamin Wacha.
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1. I have read the constitution again today and I think as time goes by, and since this is a living
document,there is always time to add or delete any part that the committee deem necessary.
Therefore I would say for now its okay.
2. About the location for the Inauguration I would suggest Philadelphia. We have almost 22
adults excluding children under 17 years of age.
Tama eno.
Apwoyo
Betty
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I won't speak for Adam but I must say this is a task that is beyond the Canadians! The cities that
I am very familiar with- New York, Chicago, and Washington DC all have advantages and
disadvantages- with the disadvantages almost out-weighing the advantages. I am not familiar
with enough cities in the US to make a suggestion. I am therefore going to leave this for the
Americans to decide but here is my thinking:
I agree with accessibility, hastle free, appeal etc., as deciding factors however the number of
people attending the conference from a city should not be one of those factors. It would be
embarrassing for a host city to have only residents at the conference and a handful or no one
from out of town as a result of members boycotting. We have to acknowledge that some cities
will become a lightning rod and may create more divisions within the community. It would be
nice if the choice of city ends up uniting us than dividing us. I think that logistics for the
conference organizers and affordability and accessibility for out of towners should be on top of
the list of deciding factors.
I also hope that the choice of city won't be just to accommodate diplomats and government
representatives as was suggested by a member a week ago.
Yes to the suggestion that we nominate three and put it to a vote.
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Thanks,
Florence
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Hi,
I co-sign with Philly being #1 on the list based on the strength of numbers.
I'm tied - DC area & NYC.
Regards,
Edisa
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Florence,
I hear you about thepotential for some cities to become a lightning rod for disunity among us. I
have reiterated repeatedly my stand on this issue. Here it is again. Lango Association of North
America is free to hold its meetings anywhere and everywhere at the discretion of its
leadership". We just cannot allow any one person or group of individuals to dictate to us where
we can or cannot hold our Association's meetings. If we succumbed to this kind of a threat or a
fear from individuals, we shall have lost our independence as an Association completely.
The process is democratic and fair. Let us follow it. The Taskforce names three cities and the
members vote to choose only one of them for the venue.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA
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Choosing Logo
---------- Original message ----------
From: Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>
Date: Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 7:19 PM
Subject: Surprise! Surprise! LAONA logo designs?
To: "\"Caesar Ogole\"" <cogole@gmail.com>, "\"Betty Odero\"" <crcf1@yahoo.com>,
"\"Florence Ocen\"" <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>, "\"Adam Odwar\"" <zubco2@gmail.com>,
"\"Hudson Ayo\"" <ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, "\"Charles Owot\"" <owotc@yahoo.com>,
"\"Edisa Akao\"" <edisa1@gmail.com>, "\"Alex Atim\"" <atimalex@hotmail.com>, "\"Ben
Magamo Wacha\"" <bmwacha@outlook.com>
I have a big surprise for you. Find attached my my own creative ideas of what our logo for the
Association should look like.
As you are all aware, the Rhino (Amuka) is our Lango mascot back home in Uganda.
For our Association though, I preferred a close-up only of the head region of the animal,
highlighting the very features that make Amuka unique, fierce and, at the same time, majestic
and one of the most marveled at creatures on earth. There are two pairs of the logo design. Each
pair consists of a logo with the full name of the Association and a logo with just the acronym of
the name of the Association.
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Imagine the logo on you as a T-or as a Polo shirt, a jersey, a cap, or in your household
collections as utensils, dining chairs, or you name it, as memorabilia of the LAONA
Inauguration Day.
I need your thumbs up, thumbs down, or suggestions for modifications before I could present it
to the members for their approval as well, long before our Inauguration Day. The memorabilia
bearing our logo could be major fundraisers for us on the Inauguration Day.
Just let me know about any changes, if any, you would like me to make. Remember, time is of
the essence in this matter. I would appreciate your feedback no later than this coming Saturday
March 9, 2013, hopefully, earlier.
Enjoy!
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator,
LAONA
ATTACHMENT
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That's so cool, Professor! It makes sense now to me- all along I didn't why the Rhino was a
Lango mascot back home in Uganda. I am lost at a choice between the two colors, but I think I
would stretch my thumb a bit higher for the blue.
When you get all the feedback are done with any modifications, I will request you to avail me
with the logo in an image format so I can incorporate it into our software. [And let me take this
opportunity to update you on the development of the software: the work is in progress, and the
time-line remains as I had hinted earlier].
Caesar Ogole
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A belated warm welcome to Benjamin and Alex to the Task Force Team! Tasks shared is
difficulty lessened. Looking forward to working with in our continued effort to make our dreams
a reality. And thanks to the Facilitator and all the members for keeping things moving!
Caesar Ogole
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Check this... I turned my head down for a minute and to my pleasant surprise the good
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winds blew him and safely landed him like a hovercraft with his sleeves already rolled
up and ready to dive in with the rest of the team on the LOANA Taskforce. Brother Ben
Wacha welcome on-board is in order. While you put your spacesuit, we commend our
Facilitator for grabbing you to serve on this team.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo
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Professor, you got it, the score for this is above 100%, I am for the blue color, well done thanks
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Thanks Betty! I glad you like the logos that much. Blue is also my favorite color. However, color does not
make much of any difference. It will depend on the color of the background against which the logo is
applied.
Apwoyo,
Omara-Alwala
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Prof. Tom,
I like the look. Kudos for the effort. Like I said, I knew you would not let us down. Another
kudos again.
I like the surprise, and what is in it. I woould add, though that I hope it would even look more
gracious with a streek of our Lango colors along the bottom of the circle. Something akin to the
cloth wrap (blue and gold) we have on the Lango emblame.
Good imagination. I vote high on this one.
Thanks,
Ben Wacha.
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Ben,
I am glad you like my creation. In this kind of a thing, originality is the key, along with keeping it
simple. The rhino is an animal given to us by the grace of God/Allah. No one owns a copyright of it. Color
patterns are someone's creative work of arts subject to copyrights law. In addition, too many colors
overshadow the beauty of a thing, including even the houses we live in; no wonder the White House
is always distintive in its only one color. Langi kobo ni "apoti omio agwe-gwe oturu yibe". That is
the essence of copycatting. It usually takes away something from the original work of art if it does not get
you into trouble.
Apwoyo,
Omara-Alwala
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This is wonderful work and very inspiring. Salutations are in order for your
thoughtfulness. This execution gives us a clear glimpse of what great professors are
made of...Check this while we were still in second gear thinking about the venue, you
were already at warp speed ahead of the pack in third gear unveiling this great lovely
logo which has a deeply seated cultural symbolism for our people.
If any, the only adjustment that I may suggest is to use colors to further drive the
point home. I know we have to be mindful of copy write concerns so could we
perhaps use about three colored thick lines below the logo to show unity, peace and
prosperity.
Alternatively we may keep it the way it is right now but then later on use a flag with
about three colors to emphasis and depict ideals which are relevant to our narrative
of unity, peace prosperity and abundance.
Brother Thomas, although I am ready for liftoff, I only have one final clarification to
seek from you. Despite your demanding schedule how did you find the extra time to
produce this great logo? In order to try to mirror your fine efforts, henceforth, I know
we now have to sleep less and work faster and harder to maintain these new high
standards and momentum which you have generously and graciously show us.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo
PS: Later on today, without any further ado, is it OK for us to commission our
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engineering team to plaster four central corners of the "LAONA Space Ship" with our
new logo.
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Brother Hudson,
Thank you very much for your generous and kind words of praise. More importantly, I am glad
you are ecstatic about our new logo designs. I like your description of it as "deeply seated
cultural symbolism for our people". That sums it all up for me my Brother. Thanks! It is even
more reason why we should keep it as simple as it is for the time being, anyway. Let us try hard
to resist our natural tendency to think that “the more the colors, the more the beauty". The more
the colors in anything the more expensive it is to produce it, much less to remember it. As an
example, which is the easiest flag of nations to remember? I bet it is Japan's flag. Am I wrong?
Why is that so? I think because it is just a single red dot in the middle of a white piece of cloth.
I challenge you to try to draw Uganda’s flag by heart, much less remember the order of those
colors and what each of them represents. I would give you a Nobel Price for it if you drew it
successfully.
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Finally, you ask me, "Despite your demanding schedule how did you find the extra time to
produce this great logo?" I did not find extra to work on the logo. I just multitasked. Anyone
can do it too, including you my Brother Hudson!
Apwoyo
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator,
LAONA
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members is the information(s) which will be put on the website. The informations that I need
include the following: The association's misson statement, the logo, pictures, background of the
association, accompishment, funding members if neccessary, and any other relevant
informations for the association. The work will begin as soon as I have atleast some of these
informations. If we work on this fast enough, the website will be up or we will launch it during
the inauguration of LAONA.
One of my colleague is also willing to find us a website host- who will host our website free for
sometime before they begin charging us.
Thanks you all so much for your time and commitments,
Alex Atim Ayang
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Dear Alex,
Once again, I am glad you like my logo designs for LAONA. You rationale for a color
preference of the logo is interesting.
I welcome your generous offer to provide leadership for our website development. My heart
most appreciation goes to your students for offering to help us free of charge, along with one of
your colleague’s promise to help find us a website host, who will host our website free of
charge for sometime before they begin to charge us for it. I pray for the website to be up
and running by our Inauguration Day.
Ben Wacha could contribute a short paragraph of 250 words or less on the first of a two-
phase formation of our Association. I would address the second phase of it up to the inauguration
of the Association.
All the materials for the website development shall pass THROUGH the Facilitator for their
approval first before their transmital to you as the website development coordinator.
Let us go for it! Gin aru doko gweng!
Apwoyo
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA
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To: Caesar Ogole ; Betty Odero ; Adam Odwar ; Hudson Ayo ; Charles Owot ; Edisa Akao ; Alex Atim ;
Ben Magamo Wacha ; Thomas Omara-Alwala
Florence
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Florence,
I am glad you like my LAONA logo designs.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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Hi Professor,
Those are really nice designs! I'm with the folks who like the blue background designs best. The
amuka's face is very serious as if he's saying 'don't bother me and I won't bother you'!
I suggest that whichever ones we choose to use, we should get Trademarked. This way we'll be
protected by Intellectual Property law. You'd be amazed at how people out there can steal
designs, sketches and drawings.
Best wishes,
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Prof. Tom,
Thank you for mentioning my name for this task. I am more than delighted to do that. I will get
down to it shortly and send it to you for your perusal and approval.
Let me also acknowledge Alex's major contribution in associating his students with
our movement. This is what we call working together in tandem. Alex great job.
Thanx,
Benjamin Wacha.
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Meanwhile…
Hello to all!
Well Ladies and Gentlemen, this is the time you have all been waiting for- time to choose our
conference city. This is a very important task that I hope the membership will take very seriously.
While most members would prefer to have the conference take place in their own home cities, I would
like to remind the membership that this will be one of many, many conferences and yes, your home city
will be called upon to do the needful at some point!
The task force wrestled with this decision for days and the members were able to narrow down the
choices to three cities as outlined by the Facilitator. It is now time to vote on the three cities
- .Washington, DC; Philadelphia, PA & Chicago, IL. The polls will open as of midnight tonight (whatever
your time zone is) therefore voting will run from Wednesday March 6 through to midnight Friday
March 8, 2013,
While it will be a one member one vote process, members are free to advocate to, campagin, and or
arm-twist other members to vote for their city. If you think you can sell your city effectively as the best
place to hold this conference, let us hear you out. While selling a city of choice, one should however
keep in mind the factors you need to consider that the facilitator listed below- city is hassle-free; easily
accessible to those attending byroad/rail/air links; travel within the city; entertainment; affordable; and
the number of attendees (Langi) living in or near it.
So email your choice of city directly to me Florence Ocen at ocen_florence@yahoo.com. Please do not
copy everyone or anyone on your vote- it should be your email to me directly. I hope many members
will take the opportunity to weigh in on this very important process for our upcoming conference.
Sincerely,
Florence
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To the Facilitator of LAONA Taskforce and all the members of the Association.
The members have spoken. Below and attached are results of the votes conducted to choose the
location for the upcoming LAONA Conference. In total, 28 members voted as follows:
Philadelphia, PA - 21 votes (75%)
Chicago, IL - 3 votes (11%)
Washington, DC - 3 votes (11%)
Abstention - 1 (3%)
Many thanks to all the members who took the time to vote. See you all in Philadelphia!
Sincerely,
Florence
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Once again, I salute our one and only own, Ms Florence Ocen, for keeping the fire of our
fledgling democracy burning. Florence, I congratulate you wholeheartedly on behalf of the members of
the Association for a job very well done. Thank you!
Members, you have indeed spoken. You have chosen Philadelphia, PA by a landslide vote of 75% over
Washington, DC & Chicago, IL for our Inauguration venue in June. Your choice could not be more
appropriate for the Inauguration of our Association. During the American Revolution, Philadelphia
played an instrumental role as a meeting place for the Founding Fathers of the United States, who
signed the Declaration of Independence in 1776 and the Constitution in 1787. That is exactly the same
sort of role, as Philadelphia will perform for us when we assemble there in a few months to inaugurate
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I would like to take this opportunity now to confirm from our earlier considerations the dates of June
Friday 21 - Sunday 23, 2013 as the official dates of the Inaugural Conference for our Association in
Philadelphia. Everybody please mark your calendars!
Finally yet importantly, I would like also to correct a few prevailing misconceptions about our emerging
and vibrant Association. There is a misunderstanding by some of us that since this is a cultural
Association about the Lango Heritage every Lango must join it. This is false! This Association is only for
the Lango descents and friends in North America who are enthusiastic, willing, ready and free to come
together as one in pursuit of unity peace and prosperity for themselves. No one has any more or
less rights to join the Association than anyone else, who resides in North America and supports its
purpose. No one is under force, whatsoever, to join the Association against their wishes. However,
everyone is welcome to join Association in accordance with his or her conscience and wishes.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA
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Good job Florence, Facilitator, and everyone! And Congratulations to the Phillie hosts to be.
Just a friendly reminder to our good facilitator that he has shifted goal posts by citing the
"infamous" Wikipedia - without offering a justification to the potentially obstinate house! Could
spark off another fire, or snapping! Hopefully it won't! (This line is intended to be a joke).
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Caesar,
Ah, Ah! You cannot stop amusing me my Brother. Man, leave me alone! History is history! The events
and dates either took place or they are wrong, whichever the case may be. BTW, I cross-checked them
with the other sources before settling in for your "infamous" Wikipedia wording of it to which all my
credits are due retrospectively.
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I love it when people like you are awake and alert. They keep the rest of us like me who are asleep and
un-alert out of trouble though not always but most of the time.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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Well done!
We look forward to the great and historic event for the Lango
peoples in the Americas at the most historical venue, Phili
come June 21 - 23, 2013.
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Dear Members,
I would like to thank you all for your participation in selecting a location of your
choice, Philadelphia, PA to be our inauguration venue for LAONA. Florence, thank you so much
for your unwavering commitment to the community and the successful coordination of just
concluded election. thank you Philly's members for your interest in welcoming us in Philly,
come June- some of you had already promised us Olel- I look forward of meeting you all. May
God bless everyone and keep the fire burning till we accomplished the mission.
Alex Atim
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Dear Colleagues (Hudson Ayo, Betty Odero, Alex Atim Ayang and Caesar Ogole),
We have come a long way but we are finally here at the brink of forming our Association
(LAONA). The members have decided the issue of the City location for the inauguration
convention of our Association, alleluia! The members also know the dates of the conference.
We must now begin to plan for the convention effective immediately. We do not have much
time left to get it done. The planning process requires a well-coordinated and sustained team
effort of a conference committee, which is the purpose of this correspondence with the four of
you from the Facilitator’s Taskforce.
We are very lucky to have Hudson and Betty from Philadelphia among us, where the convention
will take place, or is that due to the Facilitator’s foresight, in the first place; just kidding!
I am appointing the four of you as our Convention Committee Officers. Hudson and Betty will
serve as the Program Committee Chair and Co-Chair, respectively. Alex and Caesar will act as
our Publicity and PR Committee Chair and Co-Chair, respectively because of what they are
doing already for the Association, web site and software developments, respectively.
I am asking Hudson and Betty to select 4-6 additional individuals who are residents of
Philadelphia to join them as members of the Convention Committee as well. As Facilitator, I
will belong to the Convention Committee as an ex-officio.
Please see ATTACHED for details.
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It is time we proved our skeptics wrong. Let our people rise like a rhino and shine in unity,
peace and prosperity in North America.
If you have questions, please let me know.
Jojok amalo,
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA
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Dear Facilitator,
Thank you for appointing me to this new task- to chair the Publicity and Public Relations committee for
LAONA formation. This is a wonderful idea to create committees and delegate the workload. While I
accept this appointment, I propose the following:
1) We as task force members, need to draw a working plan for the Convention ( we need to prepare a
planning calender with a target dates and deadlines), this will let us decide on which task can be
accomplish and which one we can live for a later dates.
2) Since we have both time and financial constrain, we need to limit the scope of our plan for the
convention, to avoid us getting into a stressful situation and mess.
3) Is it possible to call members to a teleconference so that we can exchange ideas and try to come up
with working plan for the convention?
Caesar- Can you please call me on 8574172042 if you have time, I don't seem to have your number.
Thank you all for your time and commitment- lets keep the fire burning,
Alex Atim
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From: Caesar <cogole@gmail.com>
To: Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>
Cc: Atim Alex <atimalex@hotmail.com>; crcf1@yahoo.com; ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com
Sent: Sunday, March 10, 2013 7:41 PM
Subject: Re: LAONA Inauguration Convention Committee
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Alex, I didn't get a chance to call you yet. I will call you shortly. And this is for everyone, my number
is 518 364 5673.
Caesar
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Bang Caesar:
A quick question, I need to send a letter to invite the Mayor of Philadelphia to welcome us but don't you
think I need some letterhead about us? or should the letter come from the Facilitator?
I am going to be in a workshop for 3 hrs then I will check my email or you can get me at 267 334 5497,
thank you.
Oloni Alex itye kwene?
Apwoyo.
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An Betty
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Thank you Betty. If I had a good idea of how to draft a letterhead at this time, I would
certainly assist in creating one. However, I am not sure how go about it at this time. (I
guess it would require an approved logo, and the like). I am hereby asking the
Facilitator to help here again until we are clear on how to go about it.
Facilitator- can you come in and respond to Betty's request ? (I noticed he is not on the
list - so I am hereby CC'ing him. Or Alex has an idea?)
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Apwoyo,
Caesar
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Caesar,
How in the world could I have forgotten to ask for your mailing address? I enjoyed our conversation
much.
Thanks!
Omara-Alwala
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Caesar,
I had yet another nice conversation with our Brother Hudson after mine with you. In the end, I told him I
would overnight by express mail the document to him first, which the Postal Service guaranteed delivery
tomorrow on Thursday. Hudson promised me he would sign and, in turn, overnight it to you also by
express mail on the same day as he received it, unless it arrived too late to get it to the Post Office.
Accordingly, I forwarded him your physical address that you sent me for that purpose. I know it is a little
bit expensive but I am asking you to sacrifice as well and return the document to me by the overnight
express mail service through the post office. I want to get that hurdle (the legal registration of the
Association out of our equation) ASAP and move on to other priorities. The trouble is I do not how long
the Office of the Secretary of State will take to process and return the papers to me. We shall have a big
sigh of relief though after that is accomplished.
Apwoyo,
Omara-Alwala
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Thomas,
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Sounds perfect plan. Registration is one critical hurdle, and I understand the need for the
urgency! I will sign the document and send it back to you by overnight express mail (USPS). As
you noted, completing the registration will enable us to focus on other tasks.
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Caesar,
In your previous message below, you wrote, "When
Will an image of the logo in JPG do for you?
you get all the feedback is done with any modifications, I will request you to avail me with the
logo in an image format so I can incorporate it into our software." I think I now have what I
consider as the final version of our logo already.
Please advise me.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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On another note, Hudson called me a couple of hours ago and we had yet good telephone chat
for the first time. He was calling purposely to assure me that he will turn in the document to me
as soon as he receives it.
Apwoyo,
Caesar ogole
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INCORPORATION OF LAONA
CONTINUES…
---------- Original message ----------
From: <ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, Mar 15, 2013 at 2:51 PM
Subject: Dispatched to NY
To: Caesar Ogole <cogole@gmail.com>
Cc: "Thomas R. Omara-Alwala" <omara44@mchsi.com>
Brother Caesar, I am happy to let you know that the package is en route to you for delivering
tomorrow by noon via USPS Express Mail. Just in case herein below is the tracking #
ED49190498US
Upon receipt please sign it and forward it to Brother Thomas as has already been discussed.
Apwoyo,
Hudson
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Caesar
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Dear Thomas,
I am pleased to inform you that I received the package from Hudson in good order, signed and it
is on its way (USPS Express Mail) back to the Facilitator. It should be delivered by 3:00 PM,
Monday (since tomorrow is Sunday). The tracking number is #EI 592191435 US.
Caesar Ogole
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Missouri's nickname is "Show-me" State? Thanks to both of you for the commitment to get this LAONA
beast off its butt and running. By serving as the incorporators, you may well have just become the most
critical founding fathers of LAONA. Our next unknown factor is the Secretary of State's decision on our
application. We can only keep our finger's crossed after my submission of the application on either
Monday or Tuesday all things being equal
Jojok amalo bot wu ducu!
Omara-Alwala
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Apwoyo,
Hudson
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I am very thrilled by that development that came at the speed of God particle! I would like to
express my utmost appreciation to you (Thomas) and Hudson for the cooperation that has seen
myself part of this historic milestone. Let's keep working at that pace, with the ultimate goal of
being exemplary to every other member of the now legal Association! (Indeed I am surprised
you had it done in a flash. The last time I did get something similar to such a Seal (from the State
of New York) was about a year or two ago when I went to register my start-up company, wand I
was surprised it could be done in just a twinkle of an eye! However, I wasn't sure whether
registration of a LARGE organization such as LAONA could also be done in just a matter of
hours! Great stride indeed!
Caesar Ogole
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It is official and legal effective as of this date March 18 (I mean Today), 2013! Not March 28, as I stated
in my previous message.
Sorry!
Omara-Alwala
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Dear LAONA Members,
I bring you very good news. I am very pleased to inform you that finally LAONA is now official and legal
effective as of today March 18, 2013!
The state of Missouri has fully incorporated the Lango Association of North America (abbreviated
"LAONA") under the Missouri Nonprofit Corporation Law.
I have the original Certificate of Incorporation in my possession, bearing the official GREAT SEAL of the
State of Missouri and the signature of Jason Kander, Secretary of State. I have also been to check with a
bank in town if we could now open an official bank account in the name of our organization.
After seeing our original Certificate of Incorporation, the Bank’s answer to my question was YES, YES
and YES! How wonderful!
May I take this opportunity to express my sincere gratitude in your behalf to the two of our colleagues on
the Taskforce Messrs Hudson Ayo and Caesar Ogole for their cooperation, sacrifice and willingness to
co-sign the official documents with me as the incorporators of our Association? In addition, I doubled as
the Registered Agent and Registered Office in Missouri for the Association at this time. I am indebted to
the Taskforce members and to each of you for your individual and collective support and contributions to
our continued effort to establish our Association successfully in North America.
Jojok amalo!
May God bless the Lango Association of North America, Inc. or simply, LAONA, Inc!
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA, Inc.
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Congratulations!
Many thanks!
Dickson
Dickson Ogwang
MINISTER COUNSELOR
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CONGRATULATIONS
Job well .Together We Can Push Down The Wall. Keep The it Burning
Jojok Amalu.
Tom Opito.
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From: <omara44@mchsi.com>
Date: Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: LAONA BREAKING NEWS!
To: dickson ogwang <dicksonogwang@yahoo.com>
Cc: "\\\"Caesar Ogole\\" <cogole@gmail.com>, "\\\"Florence Ocen\\"
<ocen_florence@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Adam Odwar\\" <zubco2@gmail.com>, "\\\"Betty Odero\\"
<crcf1@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Sara Alobo\\" <alobo_sarah@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Paul Wacha\\"
<ocol23@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Richard O. Wacha\\" <ogwang929@hotmail.com>, "\\\"Richard
Omondi\\" <godwinomondi@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Eunice Akullo Owot\\"
<gillianom@gmail.com>, "\\\"Leo Odongo\\" <odoleo@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Pito Pius\\"
<pitopius@yahoo.co.uk>, "\\\"Liliy Ron\\" <lilron5@hotmail.com>, "\\\"Bruno Opio Okuja\\"
<fabrint12@juno.com>, "\\\"Kenneth Otim\\" <k.otim01@gmail.com>, "\\\"Juliet Akite Owot\\"
<juliet.b3@gmail.com>, "\\\"Levi Omara-Opyene\\" <opyene@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Maureen
Akello\\" <mmtimzzak@gmail.com>, "\\\"Elizabeth Kikonde\\" <ekikonde@gmail.com>,
"\\\"Daniel Oming\\" <dkikonde@gmail.com>, "\\\"Edisa Akao\\" <edisa1@gmail.com>,
"\\\"Jack Oyugi\\" <jackoyugi@verizon.net>, "\\\"Hon. Sam Omara Alwata\\"
<bhoisam2002@yahoo.co.uk>, "\\\"John Amokolo\\" <jyamokolo@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Patrick
Okullo\\" <peboo@me.com>, "\\\"Engola Omodi\\" <mamaelder9@gmail.com>, "\\\"Gloria
Ameny-Dixon\\" <gamenyd@att.net>, "\\\"Arao Ameny\\" <araoameny@gmail.com>,
"\\\"Sylvia Nyana\\" <sylvianyana@hotmail.com>, "\\\"Margaret Jato\\"
<mlagulu@hotmail.com>, "\\\"Mike Okwir\\" <mokwir@hotmail.com>, "\\\"Helen Apio\\"
<rosehelly@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Hudson Ayo\\" <ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Mildred Amony
Omara\\" <mildred.omara@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Mark Odyek Agona\\" <oagona@hotmail.com>,
"\\\"Charles Owot\\" <owotc@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Alex Atim\\" <atimalex@hotmail.com>,
"\\\"Ben Magamo Wacha\\" <bmwacha@outlook.com>, "\\\"Millie Ogwal\\"
<makulloogwal@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Rehema Apio\\" <apiorehema@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Tom
Opito\\" <opito.tom@gmail.com>, "\\\"Ayo Orech\\" <uayorech@yahoo.ca>, "\\\"Anna Aya\\"
<annaayaa@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Emmy Ogwal\\" <eloggwal@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Dorothy Adero\\"
<amegodorothy@gmail.com>, Mike Ogwal <mogwal444@hotmail.com>, "\\\"Morris Otim\\"
<morrisotim005@gmail.com>, "\\\"Margaret Ekwan\\" <Margaret.eKwan@yahoo.com>,
"\\\"Joseph Angole\\" <JAngole@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Silver O.Ajal\\"
<silverajal2002@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Owiny Otim\\" <otimowin@yahoo.com>, "\\\"Abdu
Ogwang\\" <abduogwang5222@comcast.net>
Dickson,
Thank you for your complements!
God bless,
Omara-Alwala
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<mokwir@hotmail.com>
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Prof.:
That's what's up, a big ijira to you.
Wan ikan opwoyi totwal.
An Betty
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Florence
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Thanks Florence!
Omara-Alwala
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Prof. Tom,
This is what we call, "thunder-bolt" speed. I really appreciate and admire your spirit to see this
organization through and through. I absolutely do not see anything wrong in it. If any thing
Brother, 'We' have just crossed over the biggest line here by your action, and I pray that many
people see this as a very serious effort. This is a very serious and determined movement. Your
decisiveness in moving ahead with the registration, and officially legitimizing our existence is
exemplary of your integrity and determination. May Lango be blessed in this development.
This is quite a challenge to "Nay Sayers" Prof. Tom. This is the engine that We as a People need.
Great strides. We have now reached the point of No Return. This is the point at which, we have
defined ourselves as people who have the back bone in the spirit of 'Our Strength, Our
Possibilities'. I can now swear to Hudson that this proverbial ship has indeed taken off. All we
need now are wise and informed stewards and crew. Go Prof., Go Boy!.
Please count on us as being behind your self-less efforts. CONGRATULATIONS.
Ben Wacha.
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Brother Omara,
I told you in my last communication that you always find it easy while we are still thinking out
side the box, I congrasulate you there. Loan is 501(3), it is wounderful. Let the lord Bless you
more. That is what leadership is all about.Ajolo kede cinga 2. Obanga medi gum. Obino rwate.
An gede gen omini,
Charles Owot.
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Charles,
Thanks a lot. Yot kom atwero!
Wadwu,
Omara-Alwala
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Hi Tom,
My mouth is closed forever and ever and AMEN! Congratulations!!. My choice to Florence of
the theme is number 8.
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Hi Adam,
If other cultural entities can do it, Lango cannot only do it too, it can do it better! We just need to keep
chipping it away until our mission is accomplished. Thank you for your complements!
Jojok amalo,
Omara-Alwala
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Hello, Thomas,
Thank you again,
I have these to offer; 1) Building together and 2), Lango Recontruction.(Resilience).Moving
ahead.
Lets try the above.
Charles Owot.
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Hi Charles,
You were supposed to send your themes in confidence (i.e., directly) to Florence without
sharing them with the rest of us. However, since you shared it already with everyone, anyway, it
is okay. Florence will include them on the list with the rest of the submissions from the others.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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Hi Florence,
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To get a general impression of the development and intended functionality, I have attached
sketch of the document ... which which change a lot when I send next report. (I'm sharing this
only with you, for now). You can let me know what you think, but like I said, this was a sketch I
made about three weeks ago. You can also wait for the next report, - as this sketch may not give
a clearer picture.
Much of the background implementations is done; some work on cosmetics on the user interface
is in progress. (I have been away for conference for quite some time....)
Caesar
Attachment
That was the initial test bench ! I see your curiosity is well manifested. I transferred work to a
production server, and I will be sending you (Task Force Team) updates sometime next week.
Cheers!
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 11:45 AM, Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com> wrote:
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Dear LAONA Taskforce Members,
Once again, I have a good piece of news for you. I have just opened up a Checking Bank
Account for LAONA at the Central Bank, 500 Madison Street, Jefferson City, MO 65101. In
order to operate the account efficiently and effectively, I am the only signer at this time until the
elections of our permanent officials in June. I opened the account with US dollars $100.00 out
of my pocket, much the same way as I paid a $ 25:00 fees to incorporate the Association in the
State of Missouri. I would like $60.00 out of the $100.00 to count towards my family
membership fee. However, I will give away the remaining balance of $40.00 plus the $ 25:00
fee ($65.00 in total) as a charity donation to the Association.
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LAONA needs a financial shot in the arm to get it rolling. LAONA must get this boost from us
on the Taskforce first before other members expect to join in the bandwagon. My wish is to
collect all the membership fees long before our Inaugural Convention in June. That would also
give us an idea of the number of our members.
Accordingly, I am appealing to each of you from the USA to send me your personal check to pay
for your membership ($50.00 per individual, or $60.00 per family), or more if you want to
donate the extra to the Association as I did above for myself.
Make your checks payable to "Lango Association of North America" and enclose it with a
self-addressed and stamped envelope for me to send you back a receipt and acknowledgement of
your payment.
Mail your check to me at the following address:
Thomas R. Omara-Alwala
P.O. Box 162
704 Branch Rd,
Holts Summit, MO 65043-0162
For our Brothers and Sisters in Canada, please send your money to me through the MoneyGram
and give me the details of how to collect it via my e-mail address omara44@mchsi.com
I will wait your responses for one week before sending a similar correspondence to the rest of the
members of the Association.
Please be generous,
God Bless you all,
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA
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Facilitator,
Prof. Omara,
You really can never cease to challenge. Right! What a step stop towards the final frontier. You make the
task force really proud of you.
I hear you and hear you really loud. Mine is in the mail.
Good Job.
Jo-jok Amalu,
Benjamin Wacha.
From: omara44@mchsi.com
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Brother Thomas,
Excellent work... I am fully on board with this welcomed natural great step forward. We will thus
all do our part to help advance the forward match of LAONA.
Apwoyo
Hudson
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Apwony Adwong okelo kwok idii wia matek....!
For those who don't understand Leb Lango (yet), I just dittoed Alex's remark.
Keep it up Facilitator! - we'll adapt accordingly.
Caesar
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On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 2:37 PM, Atim Alex <atimalex@hotmail.com> wrote:
Thomas- I love your enthusiasm! We needed a Facilitator like you. Thanks again for your time and
commitment on the account development- you set up a pace that is making us sweat.
Alex
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Apwyo Ben!
Wadwu,
Omara-Alwala
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Alex,
Sweating is good for you. If for nothing else, it shows you are working out, somehow. Idleness is
hazardous to your health.
Omara-Alwala
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Caesar,
What about the old adage that "you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink." I looking forward to
receiving from each of you shortly.
Kany akanya!
Omara-Alwala
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Prof.:
Well done good and faithful one. Ajolo news ni itwon yom cwinyoro..
Apwoyo atek.
An Betty.
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Betty,
You are most welcome!
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Omara-Alwala
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Amego Dorothy, could you please elaborate on message below? Did I miss something? Does anyone on
this list know what this is about?
Florence
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1. Agreed &
ThankU all including sis. Flo. for the great work being done via timely contributions as on:
constitution writing the NGO registration, or conduction of surveys + results publishing. It is the
hope of many including self that a Cdn. branch of LAONA as well shall in the near future.
materialise.
2. What counts most is to note that that all our members' contribution small or big, remain
crucial towards the broader overall success:
3. Our N.America - based human resources esp., are the most well equipped to fill in gaps for
continuity - should any one member temorarily drop out, for some reason.
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4. I therefore humbly move that any still stuck in knife-ves be pulled out from my back or from
the back of any other LAONA member i.e. there's no need for back stabbings in any form,
given the msg. below is
5. The proposal above is in the interest of continued INCLUSIVE continuity as tempers boil or
cool down, or as prorities change e.g. many of our Cdn. sis. / bro.s (as I explained to Flo. & to
Hudson Ayo on phone) are as of now more busy @ endeavors to arrange decent send off for
a soul departed bro.
6. Sincere apologies once again should this update appear as diversion from the 'theme' or conf.
'venue' discussions - trusting that soul departures is an issue LAONA is or shall always be an
integral part of.
Contributions are still being highly welcomed with thanks, via these accounts (p'se share the
info.):
Bank of Montreal
ACHILLA ORRU MEMORIAL FUND
100 King Street West
C/O DAVIES BAGAMBIIRE AND
ASSOCIATES
Toronto , Ontario , M5X 1A3
Barristers and Solicitors
Canada
368 Bloor Street East
Transit: 00022
New York , NY
ABA : 026005092
7. There sure is much to be discussed re. LAONA and related issues, but my 7 mites of minutes for the
sharing is up for now.
Thank you again to all for your ever empathetic understanding thereby most timely
contributions
Respectfully,
Amego D. Gift.
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On Thu, Mar 21, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Benjamin Wacha <bmwacha@outlook.com> wrote:
Florence,
In all honesty, your efforts much appreciated. Thank you so much for facilitating debates and discussions
by way of vote exercising.
Jo-jok Amalu.
Wacha.
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From: omara44@mchsi.com
To: cogole@gmail.com; ocen_florence@yahoo.com; zubco2@gmail.com; crcf1@yahoo.com;
omara44@mchsi.com; alobo_sarah@yahoo.com; ocol23@yahoo.com; ogwang929@hotmail.com;
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Respectfully
510
The Time Now is...
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ATTACHMENTS
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Dear Amego
Flo. & Omego,
Sunday Peace Cheers.
1. My last eMail post was a purely proverbial
expression, not literal as seems to be the non
- deliberate mis intepretation or mis representation.
The missed understanding shall be cleared up as
well, shortly on telephone but
2. P.s. note that there is no (whole) 'story' or any
other 'deeper perspective' to be discussed. This is
I'm fully awake right now, is LAONA not Sheridan's
'school for scandal' where focus is on stories' creation!
The fact is is that there were impromptu resignations
from some LAONA responsibilities as tempers cooled
or rose, as per concerned members' their own eMails:
3. As a crested crane fan not an ostritch fan, I only
uplifted own head via advice as a pro-action measure
to avoid future repeat of similar or near similar realities
(be it sub/consciously-indirectly or directly ) i.e. that:
4. even as we celebrate over our LAONA achievements
made so far, * incase * of any knife-ves still embedded
in any member's back including mine if any, then let it
be pulled out now, in the interest of all LAONA members
and of further present + future smooth continuity.
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From Florence:
Dorothy,
Cheers,
Florence
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it was simply a fwd.ing for the fwd.ing on, done not only
in good faith.
/ Amego D. Gift.
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Professor,
I mailed money order ($80) on March 21. Did you receive it already? I just assumed that money
order is acceptable; I forgot to ask you before sending it.
Thank you,
Caesar
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Caesar,
The money order is okay but I just have not received it as of this writing. I have not checked my
mail for today either. I am sure it will get to my mail box anytime now. I will let you know as
soon as I get it. MANY, MANY THANKS FOR YOUR GENEROSITY beyond membership.
Your commitment to the success of this Association is commendable.
Best regards,
Omara-Alwala
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Volunteers?
3:00 - 4:00 PM Briefing Conference
Moderators? Room
6:00 - 9:00 PM Welcome Designated
Reception Room
Moderator?
8:00 - 12:00 PM Welcome Address Opening Remarks Conference
Introduce Adopt Constitution Room
Members Elect Officers
Presentations Swear-in Officers
Moderator? Brainstorm for
future programs &
Activities
Wrap-up/Departure
Moderator?
12:00 - 1: 30 PM Luncheon Designated
Keynote Address Room
Moderator?
6:00 - 8:00 PM Dinner Designated
Moderators? Room
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However, to get the full benefits of our negotiated Group package, the sooner everyone calls and
makes a reservation for the Hotel, the better for them. Find attached the details you need for
booking your own reservations at the Hotel.
Please keep in mind that the cut-off date for accepting reservations into this room block for our
Group is May 21, 2013!
I cannot wait to meet y’all at our historic Convention in June.
Thank you for your continued support.
Jojok amalo.
Prof. Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA
ROOM RATES:
CUT-OFF DATE:
The cut-off date for accepting reservations into this room block is May 21, 2013!
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I very pleased to share with you the first progress report (see ATTACHED) on our Association’s web
application software development for your review and feedback. Mr. Caesar Ogole who is a member of
our LAONA Facilitator’s Taskforce and the brains behind the software initiative prepared the report.
Caesar is requesting for your review comments by April 7, 2013.
I sincerely wish to thank Mr. Caesar Ogole on your behalf for a job very well done, pro bono, for our
Association. Caesar, Thank you very much indeed!
Please everyone send your comments directly to Caesar via the e-mail at his following e-mail address:
cogole@gmail.com. However, you may share a copy of your comments with every member if you wish.
Jojok amalo,
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA
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This wonderful contribution is very appreciably noted. As conceived and upon release
this app will not just significantly augment the capabilities and the activities of our data
team but it will also be a very crucial game changer in our narrative going forward. In
this constantly changing global village where the trend is to seamlessly ramp upwards
we need more than just basic laser beams to advance faster and farther.
Brother Caesar, kudos to you and all LAONA visionaries who continues to awe us with
their relentless dedication and the willingness to further advance our cause.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo
PS: Like a kid in a candy store I'll be waiting anxiously by the door to be the first to dive
in the moment it's unveiled... In Aboke we have no qualms to burn some rubber while
taking the first spin around the block.
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Thank you Brother Hudson, - the project gets a little challenging as it gets towards the
finish line. A word of encouragement like yours and all that we are getting from every
other person is an input in and by itself!
Caesar Ogole
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APRIL 2013
Caesar,
Excellent piece of work! This obviously took a lot of thinking! I am very impressed with this and
cannot wait for it to be launched!
I am sending this only to you because I am attaching my comments- and they are just that-
comments and a few suggestions. You created this app so you definitely know how it works
better than anyone else so if my questions do not make sense, or are just plain stupid, feel free to
tell me that it is too complicated to explain this etc. etc. etc.... I made my comments right on the
document so that you can follow my thinking...hopefully.
I did not have a lot of time to do a comprehensive reivew of the document as I would have liked
but I will continue reviewing it from time to time to see if there are things that need to be
flagged!. You will also see that I made the comments over several days and sometimes on
different computers- comments are all mine - have been carrying the document around with me
for some time!
All in all, I am very impressed and quite excited! Great job and I am very proud of you!
Florence
PS. Was nice to put a face to the name as well!
Attachment:
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Hi Florence,
I made a preliminary perusal of the review comments that you made. I like all the
comments and suggestions that you made! Excellent critical review, I must say. If
anything needs further discussion, I will know it better when I resume hands-on work -
sometime next week, or a week after. I am currently on vacation.
I can still try respond to some of them now, especially those that I can remember on top
of my head, and in no order at all:
1. I wasn't sure whether to put my face or some cartoon; I'm glad you singled it out that
it was a good idea on my part. Back to you to do something of the kind; I can't wait!
Really.
2. Naming: that, I admit you're right. I am not so worried about naming my children in
the future. Reason is that I will (hopefully) have a helping hand to come up with some
good names! That is funny!
4. And translation - thanks to coming to my rescue! I struggled for ages trying to figure
out how to translate "Jojok Amalu" into English, but I couldn't! I knew I was wrong, but I
didn't know the right answer..
Cheers!
Caesar
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When God gives you talent, knowledge or wisdom, don't be mean with it because you
don't know why He gave you.
Patrick O. O.
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Patrick, you're right; the reason I would like everyone to share with one another.
Everyone has something unique.
Caesar Ogole
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Hello C,Ogole,
you have pulled out the best that nobody will dispute it. this paert of job well thought of.
Congratulations.
Continue pulling the best. Man Opuk oneno imach.
Thank you,
C.P, Owot
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Hahahaha Charles, iyomo yia towal kede kopo: "Man Opuk oneno imac!"
And thank you for the word of encouragement! Together, we will make it! Apwoyo atek!
Caesar Ogole
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Ominwa Caesar idumu totwal. Kodi dumi ber opwonye bala Alex gi. Ineka gonyo ileb Lango,
ate dwoko ileb French eka wia te cung oko.
Ame dong ate yikere bala dano okwano, atye iyi America ate kwano pi kare adwong cawa aryo
twal, ate nyang iye.
Dumi ni omito tuko iwia ento ate kwero oko. Ame dong ate ruku tok me leb muno ikome ate
nyang iye aber; idumo atek ingeo tic ileba Queen Elizabeth.
Apwoyo; itio tic aber.
Betty
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Hahahahah Betty Aminwa, iyomo yia atek. Hahaha yin Oprah akome! Thank you for
taking your time.
I like think of every step forward that we make as a result of a concerted effort!
Caesar
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Ceaser,
What an impressive task. I have taken my time walking through it and I can tell you that it is
very impressive. I mean your selfless contribution is magnificient. I have just made a few typos
which I believe were not intended errors, but a oversight due to your attempt to edit your own
presentation.
It is admirable.
Jo-jok Amalu,
Ben Wacha.
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Thank you Ben! - time was in shortage to make rounds of proof-reads. Where is the edited
version? Very much appreciated!
Caesar
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Ceaser,
I had saved it in the sky. But here is another copy.
Thanks.
Ben.
ATTACHED
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Ceaser,
If I may, and if you will, may I suggest the name for the App to be just "Lango". I mean as a
name it still sounds well.
Wacha.
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Ben,
That's a candidate (name). Others have made their suggestions as well. Will take note of that,
and see how we will settle on one of the options available.
thanks,
Caesar
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John:
As discussed, I am sending you the final document on Lango Development
Agenda. As I noted, the Development Agenda got lost in the other agenda which
some people were pursuing instead. As you can see, we managed to put together a
good coalition of experts in various fields. I hope one day some people will return
to this and start considering how to implement it. That is the challenge.
ATTACHMENT
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Dear Facilitator,
I thought I should bring to your attention that I was cc'd in the forwarded communication.
Nothing really to cause a concern; I think I was simply made of part it in error.
Caesar Ogole
ATTACHMENT
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Hi Caesar,
That is a document you need to keep for your record purposes, if not for anything else, anyway. It is not a
secret document. Robert Okello is a very good friend of mine. He maintains a home in Connecticut
though he spends most of his time in retirement in Lira. He has just become a member of LAONA
recently when he was out here about two weeks ago. He promised to send me a personal copy of the
same document as you got when he returned home. He has just done that a few moments ago!
By the way, I have not heard from you in a little while. How is your software development
project for LAONA progressing?
Best regards,
Omara-Alwala
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By Phillips Ogile,
Wonyaci me lango muze yosam Odur otyeko kwayo langi ame miti gi dwong itela ni mano kong oweke
kare moro kong anonkok wek eket cik alango kede dang iweki lango gum ka dong eweko loc myero langi
atino dong ikuc kede dang me miyo otela ame abino me telo tekwaro bed jo ame tye kede kuc kede
dang imara ka otelo lango.
Wonyaci icokere ame en olwongo aworo ni obin okwao lango me neno ni kuc obedo iyi akina gi, kede
okato mara kaka name te kwayo ni mano note apire tek en aye obedo iyi akina lango aporere anen aber
bot rok okene ilango,
Owitonge apapat ame oya ilango itwak piny idistrict ame tye ilango obin obedo atye kadi kono bed ni en
okene obedo ape acalo adwogi me rucu rucu ame onwongo tye ite lango cultural foundation ame
speaker Wakili Okello onwongo tye atelo wii gi, dong nen calo bala adwogi me rucu rucu ni atum pien
wonyaci odwogo piny,
Icokere, Adwong aworo ni Prime Minister Tonny otoa dang obin oyee me weko opici ni gin kede Joel
Odongo Amen kun Owitonge kobo ni kaka Awitim odong ento ayenyo nying anyen eka ote keto ento Dr
Engineer Michael Odongo Okune pwod odong iopici mere.
Cokere okene abedo atye inino dwe 10/05/2013 ilango cultural center
--
(UGANDA IS THE PAL OF AFRICA) DON'T USE THIS MAIL UNLESS YOU CLAIM IT"
God be in my head and in my understanding,God be in mine eyes,$ in my looking;God be in my mouth,$
My Speaking; God be in my heart, and in my thinking.Amen.)
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Robert,
Thank you for the updates. This is the second time you are including me in this sub-
group communication. I am afraid you made me part of the group in error. I wish to
clarify that I don't see how I fit in this sub-group. I prefer to be part of the whole LAONA
communication, or the LAONA Task Force Group - where I am currently a volunteer.
Without mincing words, some of the subgroup communication (of which you have made
me part of) is a distraction to my current interests and pursuits.
Respectfully,
Caesar Ogole
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MAY 2013
---------- Original message ----------
From: Mike Ogwal <mogwal444@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, May 3, 2013 at 10:23 PM
Subject: Lawsuits against Betty Odero for Defamation of Character
To: Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>, Charles Ogole
<cogole@gmail.com>, Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>, Adam Odwar
<zubco2@gmail.com>, Betty Odero <crcf1@yahoo.com>
Dear Amego kede Omego me Lango in N America,
Amotowu ducu. I would like to take this moment to inform
you that, after a long, long moment of personal thoughts,
consultations with some members of our group from here
in N Amewrica and at home, it was unanimously agreed
that I proceed with the filing of a Lawsuit against Imat
Betty Adiyo Odero for defamation of my character. I want
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Mr. Ogwal,
I would advice that you send this email directly to the individual with whom you are having problems
with. I am extremely offended with your forwarded emails as I do not have any knowledge of your
issues. I do not wish to be included in such un ugly attitude which are intended to destroy fellow lango
people and cause division at the time when we should all come together. I am therefore making you
aware that should I receive such email from you again, I will be forced to seek other alternatives to stop
you from doing so. I am highly disgusted with your emails and I wish that a person with tittles such as
yours can handle such issues with privacy and wisdom because at the moment, it is a destruction to our
planned inauguration in Philadelphia.
Thank you,
Sarah, Alobo.
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Last but not least, I donot know who you are and how
you came to this country and what or who you
represent. Last time I spoke with you over the phone,
you sounded a nice person. But I think I was mistaken. If
this is what you mean by "using other alternatives to
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LAONA is unstoppable!
Apwoyo,
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA
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Sincerely,
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<adiyo1@verizon.net>
Dear Members,
I thank you all for the efforts being made towards the formation of the Lango Association. I do
appreciate the efforts of those who have sacrificed their time towards this noble cause for our
community in North America.
I would like to respond to an allegation made by one of our members that the Late Kamara was
taken to Uganda and poisoned. First, let us give respect to our members who have passed on,
please.
Second, I was the one who personally accompanied the late Kamara home. He had wanted to
visit his ailing mother. Unfortunately, he had heart problems which he succumbed to after a
disagreement with his late sister Carol. I still have all the copies of those documents stating those
facts. So it is not true that he was poisoned or murdered in anyway. I am therefore requesting
whoever is perpetuating this kind of information to desist from it and let the late Kamara rest. He
was a gallant son of Lango who made his contributions to our community and country as a whole
and deserves respect.
It is unfortunate that some Members of our community to whom we should be looking up to for
guidance and counsel are taking us to this unfortunate path. I think we should be able to accord
due respect to others just as we would like them to do the same to us.
I do know that sometimes people get fired up and in the heat of the moment say some things that
are regrettable but I think even in those circumstances people should try to exercise restraint. If
we who are thought of as the cream of the Langi are behaving this way, what do we expect those
who are in the villages to do?
I wish to thank the facilitator of LAONA for being steadfast and exercising restraint in this
heated circumstances. Let us stay focused on what is ahead and not get derailed.
Sam Omara
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ATTACHMENT
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Dr. Omara-Alwala,
Please re-read my letter and understand the content very
carefully . My letter is directed to my accuser, Ms. Betty
Odero, NOT to you or any other person. Yours was
nothing but an infromational part, so that you all know
publically what is going on, other than picking hearsays or
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Dear Caesar,
Find attached for your review the LAONA Draft Constitution & Bylaws. Kindly send me back your reviews
by May 15.
Thank you very much for your help. If you have questions, call me @ 1-573--- or e-mail me at
omara44@mchsi.com
Omara-Alwala
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destiny. We have sacrificed our precious time, energy and meager financial resources to form
LAONA. We shall use it effectively for the betterment of our community in North America.
Let us come together as one in Philadelphia and, even for just those few days, inaugurate, and
celebrate our Association in a big way. Number is but a statistics; commitment is our proof in
the pudding.
Thank you,
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA
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<okello_robert@yahoo.com>
All I'm hearing from the negative email blasts is "sour grapes" based on someone being mad
that our Conference is not taking place in their chosen city/venue. I'm also hearing intimidation
and threats because it seems to me that someone's feelings are hurt, which from my legal
background I can tell you is not actionable. Last but certainly not least, there's a faint whiff of
misogyny. It's a shame that this person doesn't seem to realize that we women of the 21st
Century are no longer confined to the kitchen or are silenced from speech, but are
businesswomen, professionals & entrepreneurs.
As an aside, he mentioned Liberia - I wonder if he knows that the President of that country is a
woman! I know for a fact (through family connections) that she doesn't have patience for
abusive, threatening men!
God bless the LAONA members- remember the Latin saying: fortes in unitate (strength in unity)!
Cheers,
Edisa,
You couldn't have said it any better. Unfortunately your e-mail missed out on a lot of
people - I wasn't sure whether it was by design or by error. If it is the later, I think you
should repost. If it is the former, then all I can say is thank you!
Florence
I would like to echo Professor Omara-Alwala's last line of the e-mail below:
"Let us come together as one in Philadelphia and, even for just those few days, inaugurate,
and celebrate our Association in a big way. Number is but a statistics; commitment is our
proof in the pudding."
To my brother Hudson, the Captain of the Spaceship and to Betty, as well as all the brothers and
sisters in Philly, the ball is in your court! Wow us!
Florence
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From: Amego Dorothy <amegodorothy@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, May 10, 2013 at 9:32 AM
Subject: Re: It Is About Time We Took Control of Our Own Lives
To: Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>
Cc: Caesar Ogole <cogole@gmail.com>, Adam Odwar <zubco2@gmail.com>, Betty Odero
<crcf1@yahoo.com>, Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>, Sara Alobo
<alobo_sarah@yahoo.com>, Paul Wacha <ocol23@yahoo.com>, "Richard O. Wacha"
<ogwang929@hotmail.com>, Richard Omondi <godwinomondi@yahoo.com>, Eunice Akullo
Owot <gillianom@gmail.com>, Leo Odongo <odoleo@yahoo.com>, Pito Pius
<pitopius@yahoo.co.uk>, Liliy Ron <lilron5@hotmail.com>, Bruno Opio Okuja
<fabrint12@juno.com>, Kenneth Otim <k.otim01@gmail.com>, Juliet Akite Owot
<juliet.b3@gmail.com>, Levi Omara-Opyene <opyene@yahoo.com>, Maureen Akello
<mmtimzzak@gmail.com>, Elizabeth Kikonde <ekikonde@gmail.com>, Daniel Oming
<dkikonde@gmail.com>, Edisa Akao <edisa1@gmail.com>, Jack Oyugi
<jackoyugi@verizon.net>, "Hon. Sam Omara Alwata" <bhoisam2002@yahoo.co.uk>, John
Amokolo <jyamokolo@yahoo.com>, Patrick Okullo <peboo@me.com>, Engola Omodi
<mamaelder9@gmail.com>, Gloria Ameny-Dixon <gamenyd@att.net>, Arao Ameny
<araoameny@gmail.com>, Sylvia Nyana <sylvianyana@hotmail.com>, Margaret Jato
<mlagulu@hotmail.com>, Martin Okwir <mokwir@hotmail.com>, "Hon. Dickson Ogwang"
<dicksonogwang@yahoo.com>, Helen Apio <rosehelly@yahoo.com>, Hudson Ayo
<ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, Mildred Amony Omara <mildred.omara@yahoo.com>, Mark
Odyek Agona <oagona@hotmail.com>, Charles Owot <owotc@yahoo.com>, Alex Atim
<atimalex@hotmail.com>, Ben Magamo Wacha <bmwacha@outlook.com>, Millie Ogwal
<makulloogwal@yahoo.com>, Tom Opito <opito.tom@gmail.com>, Ayo Orech
<uayorech@yahoo.ca>, Anna Aya <annaayaa@yahoo.com>, Emmy Ogwal
<eloggwal@yahoo.com>, Morris Otim <morrisotim005@gmail.com>, Margaret Ekwan
<Margaret.eKwan@yahoo.com>, Joseph Angole <JAngole@yahoo.com>, "Silver O.Ajal"
<silverajal2002@yahoo.com>, Owiny Otim <otimowin@yahoo.com>, Abdu Ogwang
<abduogwang5222@comcast.net>, "Robert M. Okello" <okello_robert@yahoo.com>, Mary
Ajuga <ajugamary@yahoo.com>, Betty Pulle <adiyo1@verizon.net>
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Congrats to Sarah and to her mentors (Betty and all)! The sky is the limit!
Caesar
Dear Sarah,
Congratulations on your graduation with a B.S. in Clinical Sociology! Well done!
Jojok amalo,
Omara-Alwala
Congratulations are in
order!
Florence
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I thank you Caesar. I am looking forward to seeing everyone in person at the inauguration.
Sarah.
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Jojok amalo
Hudson
Hi Sarah,
Congratulations on your graduation! You stayed the course, and now you're reaping the
benefits.
Regards,
Time has just about run out to order the Inaugural LAONA T-shirts and Hats (ATTACHMENTS). The
deadline to order the Inaugural LAONA T-shirts and Hats is Wednesday May 15, 2013. However, if I
receive your prompt payment by Saturday May 18, 2013, I may still have them made for you.
Again, the T-shirts come in three sizes of Small, Large and X-Large. The sizes do not count in the
pricing of the T-shirts; only their colors count!
One size fits all for the hat, which is more expensive than the T-shirt due to its fabric and color
patterns.
The company requires at least three weeks of lead-time for making the T-shirts and Hats.
Please make your Money Order or US personal check payable to "Lango Association of North
America" and mail it to me at the following address:
Thomas R. Omara-Alwala
I will acknowledge receipt of your payment promptly via my e-mail address, omara44@mchsi.com
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Thank you,
LAONA
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I am sorry I forgot to include for you in the previous package, a document (ATTACHED) describing the
duties and responsibilities of the Board of Directors & its Officers. You need the information for
matching the qualifications and experiences of your nominees with the job descriptions of the offices in
which they are interested.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA
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To: "Caesar Ogole" ; "Florence Ocen" ; "Betty Odero" ; "Thomas Omara-Alwala" ; "Sarah Alobo" ;
"Kenneth Otim" ; "Edisa Akao" ; "Patrick Okullu" ; "Hudson Ayo" ; "Mark Odyek Agona" ; "Charles Owot" ;
"Alex Atim" ; "Ben Magamo Wacha" ; "Tom Opito" ; "Morris Otim" ; "Owiny Otim" ; "Robert M. Okello" ;
"Mary Ajuga" ; "Betty Pulle"
Subject: Request for Nominations of Candiates for the First Governing Body of LAONA
It is never too early to plan for something as important as the nominations and elections of the
members of the Governing Body of Our Association, the Board of Directors. The LAONA elections of its
first Board of Directors ever will take place at our Inaugural Convention in Philadelphia, June 21- 23.
Only members who have paid up their membership dues are eligible to nominate candidates for offices
and to vote in the elections. Accordingly, they are the only ones from my current membership
database as of today May 16, 2013, who are receiving this e-mail message from me. Others whose
payments may still be in the mail to me will get the same info as you are receiving now after my receipt
of their membership dues.
Find attached every piece of information you need (my memo to the members, candidates nomination
form and the list of our members in good standing) for making your nominations of the candidates for
positions. The documents are self-explanatory. Still, if you have questions, please let me know.
As facilitator, I am the one to compile all the nominations from everyone for our general elections in
June.
God bless,
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA
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9:00 am - 10:00 am: Keynote Address: Prof Thomas Omara-Alwala: Facing our Challenges
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Together
1:30 pm - 3:00 pm: Presentation: Prof Thomas Omara-Alwala: LAONA Draft Constitutions &
Bylaws
8:00 am - 9:00 am: Keynote Addresses: Prof Thomas Omara-Alwala: Voting to Approve the
LAONA Draft Constitution & Bylaws
9:30 am - 10:00 am: Presentation: Prof Thomas Omara-Alwala: Elections and Swearing-in of
LAONA Board of Directors
10:00 am - 11:00 am: Presentation: Brainstorming for Future LAONA Program Activities
11:00 am - 11:30 am: Presentation: Hudson Ayo & Betty O’Dero: Wrap-up
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Dear Facilitator,
Thank you for the draft agenda. I am largely okay with the draft, but I also have some suggestions. For
this reason, I wasn't sure whether to suggest it only to you. Regardless, I usually tend to think that it is a
better idea to share every contribution with everyone, whether it is for, or against. The kind of
interactions I am suggesting may trigger additional constructive input from other members who may
have kept quiet due to oversight. It saves a great deal of time- and keeps everyone on the same page.
Here is my input:
1. I have attached an abstract for my talk. (See attached). I acknowledge time is a limited resource for
this event, so I am probably okay with giving the talk within the alloted 20 minutes. However, from my
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experience giving many (technical) talks - I would need at least four hours, split in sessions, for a project
of this magnitude.
2. Personally, I am very eager to hear from everyone who attends the Convention, than anything else.
This will be our first time meeting one another, and everyone who attends the Convention has made an
effort to do so- and usually (the person) would have something unique to contribute! I was expecting
that since there won't be so many participants, everyone should be given a chance (15 minutes, or so) to
give a speech (formal or semi-formal). A round of introduction alone could cause us to miss some
compelling ideas that some participant might be carrying (in his/her head). I tend to take everyone's
opinion seriously.
3. So where do we get the time? My idea is that discussing the Constitution and Bylaws at length (more
than 45 minutes) is unnecessary, and the discussion will cause nothing but boredom. Since the
Constitution has been simplified to plain English, the copy should be distributed to the participants prior
to the Convention. One hour should then be sufficient to discuss any issues about the Constitution and
Bylaws, if any. The rest of the time should be given to other people to talk- really.
4. Related to 3, when people talk, that will give us a chance to know a person a little better, just in time
for the election. I am currently stuck with submitting my nominations of people for LAONA offices. I treat
this as a very important matter. If you nominate someone without fair knowledge of the person, and
the person ends up causing blunders while in Office, it backfires to the person who pushed for the
nomination. [Do not misunderstand my point; I trust our people , but we need to get to know each other
better].
5. A live demo - of our software system, illustrating how our IVR - Interactive Voice Responses will
work! Follow the instructions below, and try it now!
….
Thank you,
Caesar
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I agree with both Caesar and Alex about getting others to speak as well but having everyone
speak for 15 minutes is way to much time. I think a quick introduction of about 2-3 minutes for
everyoone is more than adequate. Besides, not everyone will be interested in speaking. I think
there will be enough time to network and to get to know each other.
I am suggesting as an addition to the agenda a panel discussion with input from the membership
on Saturday after the Keynote speech. I think it is important for members to provide their input
on the kind of organization they would like LAONA to be and how we can get there. Up until
now, it has been the Taskforce / Facilitator working on the creation of the Association but I think
it is time to give the members the opportunity to have their say. If we can get maybe two or three
people on the panel with contributions from the membership, we should have a very lively
discussion. Please note that the composition of the panel is flexible. This will then pave way for
the brainstorming session on Sunday because we will have a clearer idea as to LAONA's sense
of direction. I think it is very important that the members are included in as many discussions as
possible.
I for one would love to hear Betty O'Dero present to the members her work in Uganda. She is the
perfect person to provide us with the realities of what some of our challenges will be as she has
been right in the middle of it and talking to people "on the ground."
Sincerely,
Florence
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Dear Thomas,
Thanks for drafting the agenda. It looks good! I thought of few things while I was looking
over it: Can we add something for Friday night- I am thinking that most people may arrive
early enough to do something that we can continue with on Saturday? Also, I agreed with
Caesar that we should give other members opportunity to present, so long as their ideas
are relevant to LAONA development.
NOTE: You may notice that I am using a new email, atima@laonaweb.org - my full last
name, first name initial and our organization domain name. I am testing it to see how
efficient its- eventually, we may encourage every members to use it.
Thanks,
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Alex Atim
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Yes, I agree with Florence that 2-3 minutes for introduction will be good; and also an idea of panel discussion can be
utilized for members to put on the table what they have in mind for LAONA.
Lastly, I suggest that Caesar's presentation should be on a different category so he can present the software which
is for LAONA accordingly.
You all have a wonderful day.
Its me Betty
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I am afraid my points were missed. Here are the things that are bothering me:
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1. Given that we do not know each other yet, how do we start assigning seniority- on who should
speak for 2-3 minutes, 1 hr, 2 hrs, etc - totally leaving out other people who could otherwise be
harboring (perhaps) better and more practical ideas to present? How does 15 minutes become
way too much time for some people, and 2 hours not- for others? Wouldn't it be a better idea to
invite people who are interested in speaking to submit their ideas (in abstracts), - and then go
from there? Those who are not interested would not submit anything. They would wait to take
part through panel discussions, if they so wished.
2. Networking is a good way of getting to know each other. True. I have had way too many of
them, and they usually end up with exchange of business cards, etc. (Nothing serious.) But for a
situation where people are running for offices, a networking session does not provide an
opportunity for everyone to hear a formal presentation from someone vying for a position.
Networking is rather informal, with people mingling here and there. We want to hear people say
what they will do for the association - in a formal way, with highlights of demonstrated
experience! They should be subjected to grilling (by the audience), if necessary. We have had
enough of informal conversations in the past through emails, etc. My 15 minutes suggestion still
stands.
3. The point is not me. I don't need to be in a different category. I can still present in everything
in 20 minutes, subject to the terms spelt out in my abstract.
4. Finally, I am sensing some kind of meanness coming up. It appears some members in "good
standing" want to lock out those who are not yet in good standing. This would be plain wrong, if
my gut feeling were to serve me right. I have had a chance to work with some of the people-
who, without a doubt, made it possible for LAONA to be what it is today. I can report that some
of those members are very couth! To try to make it harder for them to be part of LAONA simply
because they have not paid membership fee (which is merely $60.0) would be an utter display of
ego-centrism. People don't pay subscription fees in time for various reasons. Everyone simply
wants a sense of belongingness in North America! And what other virtue would we as leaders
have, if not solicitude for people who are left 'association-less' . I repeat they want to belong!
They need people who can welcome them - in good tone!
Is it the greed to be the founding XXXXX? Is there anything that I am not aware of?
I am just defeated, at this rate.
Caesar
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Sorry for jumping in late almost at the ninth hour. It’s good to see all this
energy being unleashed in helping to create a vibrant agenda for this
historic event in Philadelphia. I salute you all for working hard to make June
21-23, 2013 the destined time to advance our cause forward as Jo Lang in
the Americas. Before we can do anything else anywhere we need to have a
unified house. Just as it was when the founders of this union called the
United States gathered in Philadelphia, the City of Brotherly Love and
Sisterly Affection in 1776, it’s also equally very important for us to make this
a successful inauguration of LAONA on our watch.
During LAONA’s coming big event, I wholeheartedly concur that it’s vital to
allow members ample time to introduce themselves. Allocating the limited
time slots for introductions as suggested herein should be very adequate to
allow for personal introductions. However, it will help to give ongoing house
projects like the IVR App (Interactive Voice Responses app) sufficient
time for presentation and unveiling. We are fully aware that so far for the
IVR App hundreds of hours over months have already been devoted by
many especially Caesar towards its development. With this tool as an app
we expect to improve on service delivery for our members.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo.
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Thanks,
Omara-Alwala, Facilitator,
LAONA
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It is with great delight that I am announcing my intention to serve our great Association – Lango
Association of North America (LAONA), in the capacity of Chairman. Under my direction,
LAONA will aim for the moon, and if we miss it, we will end up in the stars!
This announcement comes at a time when LAONA is in dire need of a new breath of life, owing
to the fact that the current leadership (under the guidance of the Task Force Facilitator) has run
out of ideas. This is not a blame game, for we all know that people have limits and can deliver
only so much. Like all the predecessors, our Facilitator, Professor Thomas Omara Alwala has
done a very good job keeping us afloat. Everyone, I suppose, - including myself, would have
loved to see our Facilitator continue taking us higher. Unfortunately, he is now stuck. He cannot
move an inch. Fortunately, LAONA is blessed to have people who can always build upon what
our good predecessors have done. This is where I come in!
Someone may rush to ask me: what will you do? My answer would be: A lot, but I have already
done some of them, and I am here to deliver the solutions.
A trickier question would follow: why don’t you deliver it through the Facilitator? My honest
answer: LAONA problems are multi-faceted, and the solutions are complex. Our facilitator
seems to perform great along only a couple of verticals. Those dimensions are usually minor
problems requiring simple solutions. In a multi-dimensional problem case, things get over our
Facilitator’s head.
I have identified the two major problems facing LAONA, and I could not see any solution
coming from the current leadership. These are:
1. 1. Formation of a unified LAONA: This is my first concern. I am fortunate to have served
in different capacities, first as part of the Interim Committee and now, as a member of the Task
Force Committee. From that exposure, I can reveal to you that LAONA has a bright future! We
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have very capable people. All we have to do is bring back everyone together. I am setting out to
do just that!
2. 2. Tackling problems from the fundamental levels: When we understand the exact root
cause of our problems, then we are better placed to solve them. I can tell you that I have studied
very carefully some of the problems that LAONA had in that past. My findings will surprise
you! What people consider ‘politics’ is, in fact, not politics. It is economics! What people call
problems, in most cases, are opportunities for growth! When we, as leaders, focus on solving real
problems, then there should be no reason for disharmony among ourselves. Tackling problems
from the fundamental level ensure that the solutions are long lasting. It means that we can tweak
the solutions when we need to adapt to the changing environments because we understand the
building blocks of the solution. This is why I have introduced “arithmetic” – as Bill Clinton calls
it, into the playground. This is simply an example. I will provide elaboration in the next
paragraphs.
In summary, I would like call upon everyone, and I mean everyone, to get back on course and
move LAONA forward. Let’s accord our Facilitator the (necessary) support he needs in the
remaining few weeks, as I prepare to take charge when we all go to vote, and celebrate a historic
Inauguration of LAONA! And, as a reminder, pay your membership fees. If you are time-barred,
I have been made to understand that you can pay it at the time for registration (at the venue)!
In the interim, I am asking everyone to look very carefully at some of the solutions that I am
putting on the table (See the software document attached). Some chapters contain slightly
complex content, but I had to include them for completeness. As usual, I thank volunteers who
will review them critically. They will be acknowledged in the final report, by mention of names.
More particularly, I am drawing your attention to newly added Sections:
Section 10: The Problem of Selecting Venue for LAONA General Meetings. This section is
‘arithmetic’ and commonsense, combined. The take-away from this section is that people will
not have a reason to fight to host LAONA General Meetings in the future. Read it carefully!
Section 8: Projects. LAONA can now create and share project ideas. This Chapter demonstrates
how LAONA can convert what some people call “problems” into development opportunities.
The infamous “Wikipedia problem” is cited in this Section as a potential development
opportunity, and not an issue that had to cause a rift among LAONA people.
Powerful tools, built from very basic (fundamental) technologies have been made part of the
software to further facilitate LAONA internal communication, and to connect LAONA to the
outside world. Call …5 for a demo. Follow the voice instructions!
Our software system should fascinate our (LAONA) younger generation, meaning that LAONA
teenagers will love to be part of LAONA! And they need to mingle, right? It integrates
Instagram-like tool, all built from scratch exclusively for LAONA (- all these courtesy Research
and Development Lab of a start-up company owned by this author). A modified version of the
tool is likely to be commercialized by the private company, and LAONA entrepreneurs and
business owners, like their global counterparts, will find the solution indispensable!
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I will be feeding you with my long-term vision along the way! Feel free to ask questions, and
send suggestions.
Again, come be part of the history! And vote me so we can (collectively) move LAONA
forward!
Apwoyo matek!
Caesar Ogole
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Dear Caesar:
I must congratulate you for the bold step you have taken in declaring your
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candidacy for the leadership of LAONA. Your technical presentations are indeed
quite impressive.
I note with grave concern, however, some of the very serious statements you
made regarding the current Facilitator of LAONA. You display the usual tendencies
of African leaders who come into power by "trashing" their predecessors as "pigs,
stupid, ignorant, corrupt, etc." and then end up outdoing them in these very same
issues! I, therefore, would wish to advise you, and others like you, to start
campaigns on your own merits, and preferably by acknowledging and
appreciating the efforts of those who contributed to the enterprise before you,
and, in fact, made it possible for you now to express interest in it! Then, you can
proceed to show how you will take us forward in whatever direction you propose.
This would set the right starting point. Remember, first impressions are
important.
By the way, in space if you miss the moon, which is within the earth's orbit, it will
take you light-years to reach the nearest stars! I hope you make the necessary
contingencies for such eventualities.
Having said that, let me now address the specifics in the context of your text
below under RMO Comment.
Robert M. Okello (Ph.D)
Tel: +256-777-19 34 98
Skype: okello.macomodo
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Dear Caesar,
I thank you for putting forth your interest in the position of the Chairman. In deed, you seem well
fit for the position and I believe that you have a lot of ideas to offer that will allow our newly
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formed organization to be strengthened. But first, take into account that the current facilitator
brought the organization from nothing. We nominated and voted him into the position. The very
most important accomplishment that he has undertaken was to make us legal, and among others.
I believe that the current facilitator is yet to meet us all in Philadelphia and from there, he will
propose his plans going forward with the organization's plans. At this point, we need to all come
together and participate in the inauguration and put politics aside. This should not be treated like
a political office/ position. Coming together and uniting everyone means that as members, we
must stand behind the current facilitator. Every single member of the current LAONA counts
regardless of their positions. Please pass on your great ideas to the current facilitator and let us
all work together. Number is not what we are vying for but commitments of all members who
are willing to give Langis an identity here in North America. I am therefore suggesting to you,
Mr. Caesar, that it is still very premature to change leadership at this time. Let us all first meet
each other in person. Lastly, I would like to thank the current facilitator for the outstanding job
and self dedication to the newly legalized LAONA and above all for your future plans for
LOANA.
Thank you,
Sarah.
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Dear Sarah,
I am one of the three signatories in the founding (or legalizing) LAONA, besides our Facilitator
and Mr. Hudson Ayo. But this is immaterial to the topic.
And, I also voted for the Facilitator. I am not saying he has to be replaced now. All I am doing is
declaring my intentions to do things that our Facilitator does not seem able to do, after the
Election takes place. As I talk, I am in great terms with our Facilitator, and we continue to work
together.
It is up to him to convince the entire house, and not just a subgroup that he can beat me. At this
point, I am very convinced it will be a technical knock-out - in my favor.
Thanks again,
Caesar
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Pulle” <adiyo1@verizon.net>
I am in deed disappointed. This is not a knockout contest because we are not a political party.
Subgroups does not exist unless you are forming one on your end. Please focus on the
inauguration at this time so that we can all meet as a group, which I think it is very vital and
important. Langis are known for creating divisions amongst themselves and I believe with our
generation, we can bit the odds. Divided we fall and united we stand. The current facilitator can
not be expected to run his own show. He needs the support and ideas of all the members. Please
make known to him what your current facilitator has failed to do and work a long side him. That
is how we will be able to work together and form an organization that is respected. I do not need
a position to make contributions. You should be coming up with this campaign after the
inauguration because we have been through enough destructions of immaturity from alone
member. Nevertheless, you have every right to put your name forward for any position but your
approach may not be the right one at the moment. Perception matters greatly!
Thank you,
Sarah
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From: dickson ogwang <dicksonogwang@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, May 25, 2013 at 2:02 PM
Subject: Re: Revitalizing LAONA: Caesar Ogole for Chairmanship
To: "cogole@gmail.com" <cogole@gmail.com>, Sarah Alobo <alobo_sarah@yahoo.com>
Cc: Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>, Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>, Adam
Odwar <zubco2@gmail.com>, Betty Odero <crcf1@yahoo.com>, Paul Wacha <ocol23@yahoo.com>,
"Richard O. Wacha" <ogwang929@hotmail.com>, Richard Omondi <godwinomondi@yahoo.com>,
Eunice Akullo Owot <gillianom@gmail.com>, Leo Odongo <odoleo@yahoo.com>, Pito Pius
<pitopius@yahoo.co.uk>, Liliy Ron <lilron5@hotmail.com>, Bruno Opio Okuja <fabrint12@juno.com>,
Kenneth Otim <k.otim01@gmail.com>, Juliet Akite Owot <juliet.b3@gmail.com>, Levi Omara-Opyene
<opyene@yahoo.com>, Maureen Akello <mmtimzzak@gmail.com>, Elizabeth Kikonde
<ekikonde@gmail.com>, Daniel Oming <dkikonde@gmail.com>, Edisa Akao <edisa1@gmail.com>, Jack
Oyugi <jackoyugi@verizon.net>, "Hon. Sam Omara Alwata" <bhoisam2002@yahoo.co.uk>, John
Amokolo <jyamokolo@yahoo.com>, Patrick Okullo <peboo@me.com>, Engola Omodi
<mamaelder9@gmail.com>, Gloria Ameny-Dixon <gamenyd@att.net>, Arao Ameny
<araoameny@gmail.com>, Sylvia Nyana <sylvianyana@hotmail.com>, Margaret Jato
<mlagulu@hotmail.com>, Martin Okwir <mokwir@hotmail.com>, Helen Apio <rosehelly@yahoo.com>,
Hudson Ayo <ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, Mildred Amony Omara <mildred.omara@yahoo.com>, Odyek
Agona <oagona@hotmail.com>, Charles Owot <owotc@yahoo.com>, Alex Atim
<atimalex@hotmail.com>, Ben Magamo Wacha <bmwacha@outlook.com>, Millie Ogwal
<makulloogwal@yahoo.com>, Tom Opito <opito.tom@gmail.com>, Ayo Orech <uayorech@yahoo.ca>,
Anna Aya <annaayaa@yahoo.com>, Emmy Ogwal <eloggwal@yahoo.com>, Dorothy Adero
<amegodorothy@gmail.com>, Morris Otim <morrisotim005@gmail.com>, Margaret Ekwan
<Margaret.eKwan@yahoo.com>, Joseph Angole <JAngole@yahoo.com>, "“Silver O.Ajal”"
<silverajal2002@yahoo.com>, “Owiny Otim” <otimowin@yahoo.com>, “Abdu Ogwang”
<abduogwang5222@comcast.net>, "“Robert M. Okello”" <okello_robert@yahoo.com>, “Mary Ajuga”
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Dear Caesar,
With due respect allow me avail my piece of mind in regard to your most welcomed desire to
lead and take LAONA to heights. It is a most welcomed ambition and a clear evidence that you
are one Lango young man who is not keeping the fuel is his vision pot unlit. As Winston
Churchill once said: "Man, no matter where he is born is capable of thrusting into the pinnacle of
International Standards as long as he keeps the fuel in his Vision fully lit." Keep it burning!
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At this point, I am reminded of the great testimony of your miraculous birth that you shared with
us some times back. Our origin and situation at birth should not limit us in our ambitions to
climb the heights into the pinnacle of glory.
Having noted the above, I would also remark that knowledge is great BUT in our pursuit of
knowledge we should seek divine grace and guidance to help our knowledge translate in to
wisdom. Wisdom will guide us in our thought processes that is often reflected in our words and
deeds so that we might not turn to regret whatever we make overt in words or actions.
This moment of LAONA infancy is critical. It is a period that requires great wisdom in the way all
of us handles each other with the aim of promoting cohesion rather than what filters in a spirit of
division-ism. We must be able to appreciate contributions of everyone who has so far
contributed to what we are now calling LAONA. You are one of those whose efforts are well
recognized alongside great ladies and gentlemen who steered the initial formulation processes
like Dr. Mike Ogwal, Professor Omara Alwala, Amego Florence, Wacha Ben, Amego Betty
Odero, Amego Helen, Amego Dorothy, Hudson Ayo, the list is endless. Many of you spends so
many hours of your valuable time into the nurturing of this important organization of the Lanog
Peoples in North America poised to impact the global communities of our peoples.I accord all of
you great respect and holds you all in high regard. It is also my desire and prayer that you
respect each other and treat yourselves with dignity.
Ambition for leadership is a noble thing to desire. I was taught that in clean politics you present
what you are capable of doing and spare your fellow aspirants or potential candidates for that
matter the direct humiliating criticisms. I say this because whereas you are comparing your
ability with the limitations of Professor Omara Alwala, I have not yet heard or seen his
declaration of candidacy for the leadership position of LAONA after inauguration much as he
appears to be one of the potential candidate. I believe he is exercising maturity, patience and
wisdom taking into consideration the sensitivity of the time, as we as working with all of you
towards the inauguration of LAONA at the door way.
What is important to me right now is mobilization, self sacrifice in doing all that is possible to knit
the already potential members together without creating division. We need to focus on the event
that will bring us together and for those who have not yet seen some of you, they will have the
opportunity to match your faces to the words you have been sharing through email
correspondences. It is also a time that we shall be able to develop relationship at a more
personal level, a reunion for those who have not seen each other for a long time, a time of
fellowship and celebrating our brotherly heritage and sisterhood in love as Lango people in
North America. The issue of LAONA leadership then comes in just as part of the many many
important benefits that will accrue from the inaugural event at Philadelphia - The City of
Brotherly Love.
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Having said all the above, I would end by advising you and all aspiring for LAONA leadership
positions to desist from using this forum for campaign especially at this critical moment. You
rather contact and lobby offline by contacting members on phone or direct interpersonal emails
to either seek advise in regard to your interest or suggest a candidate for the various leadership
positions that I see existing in the association after the inauguration. As for me, count me out for
I do not even feel qualified to fill any post due to my sensitive position. Therefore take my advise
and opinion as being very objective and completely in good faith.
Let us not allow the popular saying that, "Yika Alango Pe Moko". Lets make a difference and
show our critics that we are capable of establishing an Association/ Organization that will stand
the test of time and last for generations impacting and benefiting many.
Dickson
Dickson Ogwang
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From: Atim Alex <atimalex@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, May 25, 2013 at 5:13 PM
Subject: RE: Revitalizing LAONA: Caesar Ogole for Chairmanship
To: Ogole <cogole@gmail.com>
Albert Einstein once said, "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to
climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."
We the Langi in North America had a dream to unite as one people, and that dreams that we have
as a people are what really defines us. Without a dream, you are one step away to be a nobody or
even a failure. We are social being, no one is an island, our forefathers once said, "Cingi keni pe
pedo wangi", that is why we have straggled and formed the Lango Association of North
America (LAONA); instead of breaking it apart, why can we come together and build on it?
I appreciate everyone's efforts but let’s focus on what unite us, but not what divides us. Bring
ideas that contribute to the development of LAONA but not what subtracts from it.
These diversionary ideas that always come at a crucial time are not going to help us move
forward. Each and every one of us has different talent and skills that we can all learnt from each
other for the betterment of all of us.
Do not let me live my whole life believing that I am stupid!
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From: hellen apio <rosehelly@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, May 26, 2013 at 12:22 AM
Subject: Re: Revitalizing LAONA: Caesar Ogole for Chairmanship
To: Sarah Alobo <alobo_sarah@yahoo.com>, "cogole@gmail.com" <cogole@gmail.com>,
hellen apio <rosehelly@yahoo.com>
Cc: Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>, Florence Ocen
<ocen_florence@yahoo.com>, Adam Odwar <zubco2@gmail.com>, Betty Odero
<crcf1@yahoo.com>, Paul Wacha <ocol23@yahoo.com>, "Richard O. Wacha"
<ogwang929@hotmail.com>, Richard Omondi <godwinomondi@yahoo.com>, Eunice Akullo
Owot <gillianom@gmail.com>, Leo Odongo <odoleo@yahoo.com>, Pito Pius
<pitopius@yahoo.co.uk>, Liliy Ron <lilron5@hotmail.com>, Bruno Opio Okuja
<fabrint12@juno.com>, Kenneth Otim <k.otim01@gmail.com>, Juliet Akite Owot
<juliet.b3@gmail.com>, Levi Omara-Opyene <opyene@yahoo.com>, Maureen Akello
<mmtimzzak@gmail.com>, Elizabeth Kikonde <ekikonde@gmail.com>, Daniel Oming
<dkikonde@gmail.com>, Edisa Akao <edisa1@gmail.com>, Jack Oyugi
<jackoyugi@verizon.net>, "Hon. Sam Omara Alwata" <bhoisam2002@yahoo.co.uk>, John
Amokolo <jyamokolo@yahoo.com>, Patrick Okullo <peboo@me.com>, Engola Omodi
<mamaelder9@gmail.com>, Gloria Ameny-Dixon <gamenyd@att.net>, Arao Ameny
<araoameny@gmail.com>, Sylvia Nyana <sylvianyana@hotmail.com>, Margaret Jato
<mlagulu@hotmail.com>, Martin Okwir <mokwir@hotmail.com>, "Hon. Dickson Ogwang"
<dicksonogwang@yahoo.com>, Hudson Ayo <ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, Mildred Amony
Omara <mildred.omara@yahoo.com>, Odyek Agona <oagona@hotmail.com>, Charles Owot
<owotc@yahoo.com>, Alex Atim <atimalex@hotmail.com>, Ben Magamo Wacha
<bmwacha@outlook.com>, Millie Ogwal <makulloogwal@yahoo.com>, Tom Opito
<opito.tom@gmail.com>, Ayo Orech <uayorech@yahoo.ca>, Anna Aya
<annaayaa@yahoo.com>, Emmy Ogwal <eloggwal@yahoo.com>, Dorothy Adero
<amegodorothy@gmail.com>, Morris Otim <morrisotim005@gmail.com>, Margaret Ekwan
<Margaret.eKwan@yahoo.com>, Joseph Angole <JAngole@yahoo.com>, "“Silver O.Ajal”"
<silverajal2002@yahoo.com>, “Owiny Otim” <otimowin@yahoo.com>, “Abdu Ogwang”
<abduogwang5222@comcast.net>, "“Robert M. Okello”" <okello_robert@yahoo.com>, “Mary
Ajuga” <ajugamary@yahoo.com>, “Betty Pulle” <adiyo1@verizon.net>
on top of the seed germinating in the gardern, he has to wait for what is in the ground to be
harvested for him to plant his seed if need be. "he is now stuck and cannot move an inch" is
mocking statement. "pe ingolo poto ame oco kal iye like that? Langi learn to respect one another,
value one another's life. Trust in God and He will direct your path. Conflic should bring
resolutions to reunite people.LAONA IS NOT A GAME, is for the future of the young ones.
LETS LANGI COME TOGETHER AND KNOW EACH OTHER AND VOTE FOR THE
PERSON THEY CAN SEE FACE TO FACE THIS TIME. OMARA SACRIFICED HIS TIME,
SLEEP ETC TO MAKE "LAONA" A NAME TODAY. THE SAME MOUTH YOU USE FOR
BLESSING IS THE SAME NOW YOU ARE USING TO MOCK. LET RESPECT
ONEANOTHER. I HAVE FAITH IN HIM to take l LAONA ACROSS THE RED
SEA... TAKE HEART THOMAS. CAESAR YOU TAKE RESPONSIBILITY, SPONSOR
EVERY LANGI WHO ARE FAR TO COME FOR THE INAGURATION. WE PRAY GOD
WILL HAVE A UPPER HAND DURING LAONA MEETING.
After a while, I have not been responsing to peoples "plitices and lawyers" but I haver read
seversl email today with concern. If you said LAONA HAS RUN OUT OF IDEAS? JESUS!
why not contribute the idea and encourge your brother? YOU SHOW HIM STUCK AND YOU
DID NOT HELP THERE AND THEN? LANGI, MAY GOD INTERVENE AND TAKE
AWAY THAT kind of deceit WE DONT WANT HIM TO REVOKE WHAT HE HAS
REVIVE. You will surely have your opportunity to stand if you hold your peace. " techinical
knock out in your favor" is my opinion is political uterance! We lookforward to a new
generation of our children children taking over for better development and technology net
working. We pray that our children shall NOT inherit this rivaling spirit. We pray they shall take
over LAONA into greater hights with positive approach for future development.
Finally everyone loves you and you made your request known. Therefore, we shall pray for you
as you aspire for one of the vacancies. Shalom! Shalom!
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Dear Members,
As facilitator, I feel exonerated to witness an increased interest in our newly formed and soon to
be inaugurated Lango Association of North America (LAONA). I give as Exhibit A the
announcement by Casesar Ogole of his candidacy for Chair of the Association. I strongly
encourage anyone and everyone else who wishes to run for any elected office in LAONA to
please come forward and announce their candidacy. For a full detail of my communication read
ATTACHED.
God Bless,
Prof Omara-Alwala,Facilitator
LAONA
Attachment:
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I feel exonerated to witness an increased interest in our newly formed and soon to be inaugurated
Lango Association of North America (LAONA). I give as Exhibit A the announcement by
Casesar Ogole of his candidacy for Chair of the Association. I strongly encourage anyone and
everyone who wishes to run for any elected office in LAONA to please come on forward and
announce their candidacy.
My own contributions to LAONA are very well known to everyone of you. I am grateful for the
opportunity and the times most every member has given me to make a difference in our
Association.
LAONA was literally in a comma or on a life support when you the members turned to me with
an overwhelming vote of confidence for rescue of our Association. Appropriately, you called
me a Facilitator. You asked me to facilitate the creation and the inauguration of LAONA.
I have not let you down, at least, not yet. God willing, I will never ever let you down. Through
my vision, I sought and found a strategic approach, which included a team of volunteers from
among us, who was committed to helping me save our organization. I was determined,
deliberate, methodical and task-oriented in my effort to resuscitate LAONA.
In a few weeks’ time, I will humbly come before you in Philadelphia to declare my mission as
Facilitator accomplished. I will also have the chance to tell you my future intentions in
LAONA and a personal vision for its future growth and development.
In the mean time, I will focus my attention to only one remaining most important activity of my
mission, the organization of an unforgettable Inaugural Convention of our Association in
Philadelphia, June 21-23, 2013.
Thank you! May God bless the Lango Association of North America?
Prof Thomas R. Omara-Alwala, Facilitator
LAONA.
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All,
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I will not allow my announcement for candidacy to cause chaos among LAONA. That was far
from my original intention. In good spirit, I am withdrawing my candidacy accordingly. As long
as we are united, as most of the input seem to suggest, I do not see why I should not be a very
happy ordinary member of LAONA. I just cannot be one of the THREE FOUNDING
SIGNATORIES for an organization that ends up excluding other people. I wrote very clearly
that I do not belong to cliques in my autobiographical sketch, which I shared with everyone. If I
were to learn that other people were being excluded from the Association, I would, in good spirit
ask to have my signature removed from the list of founders of the association.
I like to have things done in the right way! I do not like the idea of bringing in irrelevant stories
and analogies- most of which sound very very strange to me. Unfortunately, I have seen a
general pattern for people to default to such stories, instead of making objective contributions. I
am never afraid to criticize our Facilitator, because he has always made it clear that he subscribes
to the "disagree without being disagreeable" - which sound to me like the peer-review exercise in
the professional world. I struggle to fit in societies where people escape tackling real problems
by drawing in stories that don't relate at all.
Happy Memorial!
Caesar Ogole
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Ceaser,
I did not want to really add onto what response you have given to all following your attempt to
take a short at the leadership of LAONA.
But that you have now withdrawn your candidacy for the same, let me just congratulate you for
the boldness and seriousness you made your position known to us. It is already clear that no
matter what your intentions were, the message did not come across as you meant it or intended to
throw it out there. Somehow it got bungled up somewhere. But keep up the spirit; and take Mr.
Dickson Ogwang's advice with equal seriousness. And I thought this is applicable to any other
member of our great community in Nord Americus.
Let me take a piece from the Facilitator, that, every fully subscribed member is entitled to aim
for any office in the organization once it is launched come June 21, 2013.
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Thank you,
Haji H. Benjamin Wacha.
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From: peboo@me.com
Date: Sun, May 26, 2013 at 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: As Facilitator, I feel Exonerated!
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Ceasar, am so disappointed with your withdrawal because of other people's opinion and
criticism.
One of the characteristic of a good leader is not relenting to such but facing it as a challenge and
working out to bring divergent views together.
Whatever resist you makes you stronger.
A vehicle is able to move because of the resistance from the ground; a boat is able to float due to
resistance from water and the air that resist the bird is what keeps it a float.
Patrick
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From: Amego Dorothy <amegodorothy@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, May 27, 2013 at 9:51 AM
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Haji H.B.W., prof. O.A. and all, thankU for all endeavors of
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This calls for patience especially with the new non - Lango borns,
Omego Ceasor's related assessments otherwise are most
interesting and almost beats even this one of T.H. Huxley
at a discussion on our very humble human ORIGIN - here:
- T.H.Huxley 1825 - 1895 replying to Bishop Wilberforce
JUNE 2013
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Dear Facilitator,
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Thank you,
Caesar Ogole
Due to unforeseen changes in the Academic Research Conference Program of which I will be part (in
Atlanta, Georgia) from June 16 to 21, 2013 prior to the LAONA Convention, I regret to inform you that I
will not be able to travel for the LAONA Inaugural Event in Philadelphia.
My initial arrangement was to travel back from Atlanta on June 21, where I would be participating in the
30th International Conference on Machine Learning (ICML, 2013), to New York, before I would then
proceed to Philadelphia on the same evening. However, some last-minute changes in the Atlanta
Conference have placed me in a position where I can only catch the next flight from Atlanta on June, 22,
arriving back in New York (or Philadelphia) at a time that I cannot ably make it for the Philly Conference.
While this change will significantly affect the LAONA Program Agenda (draft), I would like to think
positively in this circumstance that the LAONA Inaugural Event is merely a culmination of the great effort
that every member and well-wisher has put in since time immemorial. To be part of the event would be
historic, but to be part of the event in spirit is equally gratifying. I will have the latter as the available
option.
Let me take a moment to touch on what I had planned to talk about if my plan to attend the LAONA
Conference had not changed. My 30-minute presentation of “LAONA Software” would be a critical
opportunity for me to explain to the audience the philosophy behind the design. The presentation
would start by making the audience understand that software development is generally an iterative
process, going back and forth between the designers and the target users.
Spiced with live demos, my presentation would highlight that the design was motivated by the need
to promote:
1. Unity - by providing a social network platform for LAONA members, allowing members to keep
in touch easily anywhere, anytime.
2. Development - by providing tools that would facilitate interactive and real-time sharing of
project ideas and other forms of communications over the virtual world.
3. Entertainment – through sharing of stories, and a limited number of media (photos) in a secure
private environment.
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4. Efficiency - through automation of workflows and common tasks such as automatic polling,
teleconferencing and SMS services.
5. Win-Win Paradigm for Interdependent Living: A description of this paradigm would dwell on
inculcating into the members the virtue of being compassionate and considerate of fellow
members (present, and not present) who would have to travel from longer distances (e.g.
Mexico City, Hawaii, etc) to attend a LAONA Conference at any chosen location. A
demonstration of the venue selection tool would help members see why cost-effectiveness,
fairness and consideration for the welfare of every member were a key factor in the design of
LAONA Software. (The audience would be highly encouraged to read the book: “THE 7 Habits of
Highly Effective People” for those interested in gaining deeper insights into this kind of thinking.
6. Competitive Advantage for LAONA Business Owners and Entrepreneurs. A modified version of
the software will be available for small and medium size businesses at very attractive rates.
The presentation would end by thanking every LAONA member present and not present, for the good
job – contributing to this project in one way or the other.
The software continues to be enhanced, and will be launched at an opportune moment. Questions may
be sent to cogole@gmail.com
And a very happy Celebration of the Inauguration of LAONA! Many thanks to the Task Force Team for
sacrificing to make this event a reality, and thanks to everyone in attendance!
My plan later this summer is to undertake a Cross Country Ride (with a couple of friends), and I will
exploit this opportunity to make an attempt to make brief stopovers to catch up with the LAONA faces
that I have not had the chance to meet, because of my failure to attend this event!
Caesar Ogole
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Thomas,
Both LAONA.com and org, are already taken but there are some like: co., Us. ca., net, info.,
etc. that we can pick from. If you have time- can you go over these websites below and see if
you can come up with one that you like so that we can order- I prefer ordering
from www.godaddy.com because they seem to be a little
cheaper. www.enomcentral.com or www.godaddy.com
Thanks,
Alex
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From: omara44@mchsi.com
To: atimalex@hotmail.com
Subject: Web site development
Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2013 21:58:40 -0500
Alex,
I just need to be in contact with you about the web site. What is the situation right
now? Would you need our logo at this time to construct the face of the home page while
you wait for other materials to fill in the rest of the blanks, e.g. the Inaugural Convention,
Board of Directors, Executive Committee, about us, History, etc?
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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Dear Caesar,
Thank you so much for helping! Can you please make the following changes:
1) On the home page, add the Lango flag and the anthem- beside or under the Uganda
Map
See an attachment for lango flag and Lango anthem mp3
2) Under Album;- Move Education and Donation as drop down under program, also add
Strategic plan, and Culture as drop down under program. Add the attached text under
culture.
3) Change "news" to Information, and put news as drop down under information. Also,
move events as drop down under Information;
Alex Atim
ATTACHMENT1
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email: atimalex@hotmail.com
password: uganda_69
Mouse over the "Manage Website" tab in the top main menu to display the drop-down
menu.
1. Under "Manage Your Web Pages", click "Manage & edit your existing web pages".
2. From the list of existing web pages on your site, click the "Edit" button.
3. You will be taken to the Editor to make edits to that page.
4. When you are finished making your edits, click the "Save" icon. It is the blue floppy
disk icon in the top row of the toolbars to the left.
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Alex, this is wonderful news. Thanks is in order for your hard work and
generosity on behalf of Jo Lango in the Americas. As we countdown to June
21-23, 2013 with all roads leading to our inaugural convention in Philly this is
indeed a timely addition to our narrative as we prepare for the liftoff of the
LAONA Spaceship in Philadelphia.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo
PS: When we get to a higher orbit this will be a Great App for communicating
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with people back on planet Earth... Even "Heavy Lifting" the beast which many
times impeded our advance has now bowed down in acknowledgement .
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Congratulations are indeed in order for a job well done Alex! I can tell it is going to be a great website.
Thank you for putting LAONA on the "map" and the timing could not be better! It was really interesting
reading about the culture and clan organization - I was beaming with pride to see the name of my Awitong
right there in black and white- Iwiso Nimayosi! One of the greatest and wisest elders I have ever met!
Professor Omara-Alwala and Amego Dorothy, Alex no doubt qualifies to be in Heaven. However, I also
know the extent to which some people will go to ensure that Alex's place in heaven disappears! In that
case, we will leave it to the Captain of the LAONA spaceship to deliver Alex safely.
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Good job Alex! I didn't have the slightest idea that I own 3 different clans!
Three!!! Atekere Ogole (Read the Culture page), and yet I do not belong to any of them.
Keep it up!
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I am flattered by the word of appreciation you sent me for developing the LAONA website- I needed
it! However, this was and it is a continuous combined efforts from members. I cant do it alone! But
with the promised from our Facilitator Professor Thomas Omara- Alwala, Florence Ocen, Amego
Dorothy, and many members that my remuneration await me in heaven, I will work even more
harder to make sure I qualify to get to heaven to receive my rewards- even if it mean walking on foot
to get to heaven; I hope that you will be there to hand over my rewards.
Enough joke, let me get back to serious issues- I would like to reiterate what Thomas already
mentioned that our website is under construction. True, I need a lot of input from the members
to make the website more complete and up to date. A good website is always under
construction.
Same of the information and questions that you will send for the website I may not be able to
response to them effectively as some of them will need the board approval before we can put it
on the website, therefore it will wait for the LAONA board of directors that will be elected to
handle them. Remember, I am just volunteering. Despite all that, we need your input- if you
have any information about Lango Culture such as: Songs, Proverbs, folk tale, Traditional
religion, implements, personal adornment, marriage, language etc; send them to me. We
need to restore and promote our Lango cultural heritage for the benefit of all of us and our
future generation. Please, make sure that you send me the source of your information as
well.
Lastly, someone brought to my attention that the current list of clan heads that we have on file
is not up to date- some clan heads are no longer alive, so if you have the detail of that and know
the names of their replacement send me the list so that we can update our list.
I wish you all a wonderful weekend and I look forward of hearing from you and meeting you
in Philadelphia!
www.laonaweb.org
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connect directly with the Lango clan heads - some of who I can
'see' on this LAONA eMailing list. Clan heads, why are U being silent
on us? It would be of relevance for each clan - head to provide some
info. on their clan: name origins, customs, foods or do.s & don'ts.
It is as Amego Flo. rightfully sums, great delight to see one's clan
head name in print and picture where possible, in b & w or in colours.
What for example does the clan - head Omego Ojoro K.K. (incase
he is still alive) have to say about the Ober / Mosquito Clan ?
May our good Lord please grant us patience & we want it now!
For God & My / Our Country-ies.
Amego D.
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Hello Laona,
You guys are fun! Ah
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Congs!
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up on any “accused person” to prove herself or himself innocent. [Never mind, in this case (one on one
with Florence), I played stupid, deliberately – and went on to clarify (again) why I wasn’t going to attend
the 2013 Phillie Convention– so “they” could feel the way she wanted to feel, (smarter, or whatever…) ]
Thanks for the clarification. I was not going to bring this up but I was really incensed by the way some
people were going about telling others not to attend the conference because of the security stupidity!
There are a lot of these old people with their own agenda which really bothers me. Please see my back
and forth with someone trying to scare me off below and you will see why I mentioned this to you. Follow
the trail from the bottom to understand the whole conversation. I just thought that was really interesting! I
took out his name but you probably could guess...
I may have to leave early Sunday so chances are that we may not meet.
Florence
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Florence,
Just take care of yourself. The pple u are working
with are up to no good. Much as you may be doing a
lot of good for the LONA, they don't care. They can
do just about anything.
So, my word is: while at the conference, pls, don't
shake hands, hugs, take gifts, share foods, drinks,
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I am not aware of Caesar's resignation. I know that the conference he is attending in Atlanta now has
him committed up until Saturday June 21 so he will not be able to attend the Philly conference. At least
that is what he told me.
Florence
From:
Florence,
I am told that Ceaser has resigned. Is that true? If so, what
is going on?
Attachment
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I can still hear the sounds of the clicking shutters of the Cameras, accompanied by the flashes of
light, especially as the New Board of Directors were taking their Oath of Office. In addition,
many of you took other pictures as well throughout the Convention.
I have already received a few of the pictures taken by one of our very own founding members of
the Association, Mr. Tom Opito.
The purpose of this e-mail message is to ask you to submit the best of the pictures you took
during the Convention to me and our Hon. Board Member and Web Designer, Mr. Alex Atim
Ayang, for our consideration to post to our Association's Album Content of our web site.
Through the pictures, you will have made yet another permanent mark of yourselves on the
LAONA History.
Your contributions will be very much appreciated.
God bless,
Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
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A live selfi
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: <14165798426@msg.wind.ca>
Date: 2013-06-24 14:25 GMT-04:00
Subject:
To: cogole@gmail.com
This is rhe latest picture I took of myself at the hotel yesterday. I always look different
depending on how my hair is styled. Therefore this picture could be flattering!
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Yes, I have just seen the picture! Now I see you finally! I could not reply in text message
because I have entered a room where phone signal reception is non-existent. I read the text
message. Even though I don't see you wholly in this picture (the camera is playing a
sideshow :) ), I now have an idea of who you are! You don't know how happy I am -- after more
than 6 months of creating mental pictures who you're! Very cool!
I think the association has made a big leap - breaking all the barriers that had existed in the past.
I guess by taking every other thing at a step, we will achieve much!
By the way, someone made me to know via skype that the LAONA Convention made radio news
headline in Lango. That was good!
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Caesar
Caesar,
I am sending you this because this is the girl (Sarah Alobo) I was going to match you up with! Correct me
if I am wrong but looks to me like a perfect match! What do you think?
Left to Right: Florence Ocen; Charles Owot, Tom Opito, Edisa Engola-Kema, and Sarah Alobo (in brown!)
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1. Starting from the left: you - yourself are very pretty! That age thing (by me having been born
a number of years after you), combined with your current status played against me -:) Glad we
are friends though. I tend to develop a fascination for people who communicate in some ways;
but now, I will give it a break! -:)
2. I am very surprised how mature/old these two guys are! Charles and Tom! I am just
speechless, and I feel somewhat guilty that I was sometimes was too hard on some of them in the
past in my emails! [I remember I once had to labor to explain that I didn't call one of them
"childish", around the time there was a tie in polls!]. Good people, they all seem to be. Charles
Owot just wrote to me early this morning:
"Hello! Mr.Ogole,
the aim of the association is to have any body regardless of his status. what you have is enough.
there wasnot any big deal why you could not come.We missed you. Stop cowadising LAONA
needs you. LAONA misses your talents.
May God Bless you!
yours brother,
Charles Owot Poro."
I think Charles thought I withdrew (or didn't attend) because I am only a permanent resident. I
replied but didn't get a chance to explain that I had another conference.
3. Edisa - now I know! How was her talk by the way? Any viable prospects on funding --
imminent?
4. Sarah - now I know her, finally! What do I think? She looks fine! However, I am in some kind
of uncommitted relationships [local and distant], and adding the lady in brown to the equation at
this time will simply complicate the situation. Got me? I do not rule out any possibilities at this
point, though. I am trying to work towards having the situation streamlined.
I very much appreciate - may be when I get to meet the lady in brown in person, I will be
motivated to accelerate the process of having my current situation arrested! Philly is just 3 hrs
away. I will see...
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Thanks for sharing the pic. Now I can't wait to see the other people -- hopefully they will
uploaded on the website soon!
True, the email was interesting and I thank you again for sharing!
Caesar
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I am on the floor just laughing at your response! You are very funny!
Yes it is good to actually see the real person because the mental picture is always very
deceiving! I actually did not take it that you were interested in me because if you were, I
would have discouraged you. I like you a lot...and I mean that, and I hope we can be
friends for a long time =:)
Edisa's presentation was a disaster! In summary, what she was proposing sounded
more like Amway- if you are familiar with that type business. Not sure it is what the
Professor expected.
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As for the lady in brown, she is very nice and quite a character! Someday you should
meet her. I am shocked that you are actually in relationships- local and distant! What?
Are you insane? I am very interested in knowing how the situation will be streamlined!
You are too funny~!! I love your choice of words- they just crack me up!
Anyways, I have to go to a meeting now.
Keep well,
Florence
Ps. Hudson did not opt out, he was voted out. There were a number of nominees for
Treasurer, a position for which he was nominated for and he did not get enough votes.
The lady in brown is actually the Treasurer now!
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Subject: Request to have my name removed from KEYNOTE SPEECH ON THE WEB
To: Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>, Florence Ocen
<ocen_florence@yahoo.com>, Alex Atim <atimalex@hotmail.com>, Betty Odero
<crcf1@yahoo.com>, Sara Alobo <alobo_sarah@yahoo.com>
Please, find attached my request to have my name deleted from the keynote speech
posted on LAONA website.
Thank you,
Caesar
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I regret that I cannot honor your request to have your name deleted from my keynote speech
posted on LAONA website. The speech has already been presented and circulated to the
members individually and posted on the LAONA website as well. I do not find anything false or
negative about you in the speech. I cannot edit it in any way at this time. I would be indulging in
false representation. I am not responsible if anyone misconstrues my speech in part or in
whole. I am the only one responsible for the contents of my speech.
I am sorry!
Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
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Dear Chairman,
I understood your explanation that you cannot edit the content, and so let it be! Indeed
there was nothing false or negative, but I simply had other concerns (see below).
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Note: I was made to understand that the details of my official request (which was meant
to be an attachment) came out corrupted. I am resending it (copied below) just incase
any of you could not open it. Further action/response is not required.
First off, I would like to congratulate you all for being elected Officers and/or Members to
the Board of Directors of LAONA. Needless to mention, this is an important
achievement for all the Lango.
I have been very busy over the past weeks so I have not had the opportunity to follow
up any communications from LAONA forum. So I apologize if there were any
communications that required immediate reaction or response from me in my capacity
as a former member of the Task Force Committee.
Nevertheless, I had the opportunity to read through the keynote speech, which was
distributed to members as an email attachment a couple of days ago. I guess a
discussion that followed the speech was thorough enough, so I will not attempt to
augment anything.
The purpose of this letter is in regard to the same content of the keynote speech posted
on LAONA Website, and especially because the content carries my name with some
questions posed to me in a way that can be interpreted in an ambiguous manner by the
general public. More importantly, I have in the recent past worked directly or indirectly
on sensitive research and development projects with/for agencies such as DARPA and
NASA under certain terms that barred me from taking part in certain activities outside
the agencies (for a specified period of time). The appearance of my name on LAONA
website as is does not reflect well in that sense, and could be perceived by some as a
violation of the said terms.
Let me admit that this LAONA software project was never without challenges. The good
thing is that I like confronting challenges! The questions that the facilitator raised were
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simply some of the many concerns that I had anticipated, and I was going to address
them very thoroughly during my presentation. Again, that’s partly why I had initially
requested a lot more time for the presentation, if you remember our brainstorm over the
Convention agenda.
- Not me. I am a person of integrity and there is absolutely no reason for me to harbor
any hidden agenda to gain control of the association using technology.
- Integrity aside, it would be too much work for me if I were to think of being the person
to control the software. The very first reason I volunteered to take on the software
project was to free myself from being a “clerical worker” – administering surveys and all
that. [I urge you read my email announcement Feb 15, 2013]. Collecting user surveys
and all that were a type of thing that I had never done before, but I did it that time
because I just wanted the association to move forward. That explains why my software
(report) turned out to be a lot different than, perhaps, some other people expected. I
was assuming the position of a knowledge worker.
- There is a separate module (not included in the software report) that explains how I
would transfer ownership of the software to LAONA and how the system
administrator(s) would go about administering the system. I am working with other client
organizations as well, and such questions and concerns are not uncommon. Again, it is
not uncommon for these concerns to be raised – the very reason I asked for
comprehensive feedback. I would like to clarify at this point that the term “software”
does not say so much – but the fact is the product will be a “technological
infrastructure”. It consists of hardware and software and networks, if you remember the
interactive voice component.
- Finally, let me be clear that LAONA is NOT under any obligation to approve or
endorse this application now (or even in the future). As I read from the key note speech,
we still have other pressing and more urgent things to do, for example, filing application
for tax-exempt status, annual report due end of August, among others. In any case, the
software development is not yet complete. We could defer any considerations for a later
date, and if the Association still needs it, we could launch it even next year or so. There
is no binding or string attached here. It may turn out that the association may not need
such an infrastructure.
Sincerely,
Caesar Ogole
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Dear Webmaster,
I also feel I have a duty to provide an education here since I have been a website designer
myself (having designed over 50 professional websites for various types of organizations many
years ago especially during my undergraduate studies). I also used to maintain my personal
website ( www.caesar-ogole.com ), so I know the importance of cyber privacy quite a bit. Not
every piece of information has to be posted on a website, especially when it affects another
person negatively.
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Think of a situation where someone who has made a pledge to donate some money to the
association running into trouble because because he/she has outstanding debts elsewhere, or
he/she has some financial "situation" with a spouse -all because the information is made public
on the Web. There are many considerations that must be made before a piece of information is
authorized to be published on the Web.
I am requesting input from all the officers, and I hope an action will be taken immediately.
Some of the agencies I am referring to do have customized web crawlers that keep reporting
web , reporting nformation on minute-by-minute basis.
Basically, I am asking my name to be removed from the website. I still remain a member of the
Association.
Thank you,
Caesar Ogole
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Hi, Caesar,
I was looking forward to seeing you at the inauguration. Miss. Betty had previously told me
wonderful things about you and I missed to see you besides all my Lango people. I also think
that you have a right to have your request followed through, if at all you feel that it puts your
professions at jeopardy. I also recommend that you speak with Prof. on the telephone as opposed
to the lengthy email because sometimes the main content gets lost into the details. Hopefully, he
will give your request some serious re-consideration. My best for you.
Thanks,
Sarah.
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Hi Sarah,
I am more interested in what Betty told you about me! I missed seeing you too!
As for my request, thank you for your input! I will give it a serious consideration - though I
already did, and I have other things to do so I will just let it go! Doesn't mean I condone it
though. You will undoubtedly get to encounter differences in opinion and views since you are
now part of the governing body. It is pretty normal, except when some kind of unfavorable
rigidity crops in. I am not bothered at all by this one, but I just don't want such to be a habit
(which may affect you as well - the current officers). Nothing terrible.
So, Sarah, what do you like to tell me about yourself- since I missed seeing you?
Cheers!
Caesar
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Sarah,
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Alex,
I know you are a volunteer as we already talked over the phone.... but this is the same thinking I
had as Florence... and Sarah. Talked to Betty yesterday, and she shared same view. I think I
wouldn't like to see this escalated. It is a majority decision, not Chairman's, as you know better.
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Betty,
As explained by Florence below, the officers can advise the chairman - and have Alex
make the necessary changes. It should not be a big deal.
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Ceasar,
I just received a copy of the speech without your name on it- I will go ahead and replace the old
one with this new one.
Alex Atim
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Alex,
Very much appreciated. I sincerely apologize for insensitive part talking about cyber
education.
Caesar Ogole
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Alex
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Thank you for taking care of business Webmaster. The lecture, as (was) clearly stated,
was meant for the person who authorizes uploads, not the person responsible for
uploading the info. Learning never ends, as the timeless and universal adage goes; the
time is always ripe to do right and learn - as Nelson Mandela says.
Caesar Ogole
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JULY 2013
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http://nilejournal.net/culture/society/gomesi-national-dress-uganda-women
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
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Thank you for the research and unavailing the mirth about Gomesi. It is not
a Loango dress, nor a Buganda cultural dress but a Ugandan Women
Cultural Dress.
Thanks!
Dickson
Dickson Ogwang
MINISTER COUNSELOR
Embassy of the Republic of Uganda
5911 16Th. St. N.W.
Washington, D.C.
20011-2891
phone: 202 726 7100
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The Facilitator at the time did not indicate to the organizing committee nor to the delegates what the dress
code would be. Otherwise, my sisters and I would have made you proud! That said, I make no
promises for the next conference.
Sincerely,
Florence
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Dear Florence,
It is not about a dress code that we are talking here. The idea of a dress code does not appeal
even to yours truly, except it were intended to show case just our cultural dress on a certain
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ocassion. Hence, it would have been very wrong for our Facilitator then to indicate a dress code
for the delegates to our Convention.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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Cheers,
Florence
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I have noted the lines of arguments is changing a bit from the original opinion (meaning lack of
coherence), but my understanding is that dressing (style) is no longer a function of occasions.
Gone were the days when “smartness knows no weather”, for example. In those days, you would
find gentlemen, on a very hot day (100 degree F), clad in tightly tied ties in the name of
occasion. Culture has changed over time, but more importantly the environment matters! North
America is not the same as Uganda. Traffic conditions, as another example, may override the
demands of occasions when it comes to dressing.
=> That said, I would not be surprised at all if none of the women turned up in the “national
attire”. Even if the other factors were held constant, one has to bear in mind that we don’t have
“gomesi” tailors in USA/Canada. If you know of any, let us know! (I did not attend the
Convention, for a record).
I am not speaking for women (because I’m plain ignorant of their affairs), but as a member of
the current fast-paced and modern generation, I can share with you that we are in perfect
harmony with diverse dressing styles even at occasions that used to have in place stringent
rules. To make use of one of the references provided in the Nile journal, I have attached a page
(picture) of how Lango used to dress many decades ago (see attachment). It would be weird for
me to argue that we should be dressing the same way as those shown in the picture in the name
of cultural occasion. If not bark clothes, why gomesi, which, in any case was created by a non-
native Ugandan? [See http://www.monitor.co.ug/SpecialReports/ugandaat50/Gomes--the-father-
of-Uganda-s-gomesi/-/1370466/1513558/-/12rdddvz/-/index.html ]
That’s my take. I like to make it clear that this is my contribution to the debate. People tend to
misinterpret differences in views and opinions, from my past experience.
Cheers,
Caesar
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Hello Caesar,
The Lango women’s pictures you posted were not wearing much of any dress at all, if anything,
much less a Lango cultural dress. The condition was just about the same for every other culture
in Uganda at that time as for the purported Lango women you see in those pictures. Those
women like their male counterparts did not have a choice of anything, much less of a dress.
They lived a primitive form of life.
You asked, "If not bark clothes, why gomesi, which, in any case was created by a non-native
Ugandan?" The simplest answer to your question is that, culture evolves, the same way as
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technology does. Finally, what does it matter, anyway, if the gomesi was created by a non-native
Ugandan? As long as it was created, especially in Uganda and for the Ugandans, the gomesi is a
Ugandan cultural dress. How many inventions can you think of that were invented by non
Americans but are still considered American inventions, anyway?
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala
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Ceasar,
Good to see you online!
You missed out on my point in the first posting. It was meant to be sarcastic- tongue-in-cheek kind of
response. The professor knows my stand on that. There is no way in hell that you would get me to wear a
gomesi!
Florence
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Thomas,
I raised many points against your original opinion, but you responded to only the picture-related
issue. Perhaps, it is because the photo was more visually appealing!
The point I wanted to drive home is that everyone is entitled to his opinion, and that does not
make him/her right or wrong. The fact that you chose to publish your opinion (which you call
research article) in a non-peer reviewed blog, by itself, says that the content is an individual’s
opinion and must be taken with a grain of salt. If that blog (never mind it is called a Nile
journal) is in fact peer reviewed, then I am afraid to say it may have some credibility issues. The
content of your article was lifted word for word from other sources from the Web. For example,
the sentence, “Gayaza had first used a suuka made of bark-cloth as the ….”, among others, was
taken without paraphrasing from http://www.goanvoice.ca/2012/issue20/peopleplacesthings.htm
This is a serious integrity matter. As a former adjunct professor myself, I feel we need to steer
clear of this kind of practice in this forum and learn to differentiate between opinions and facts.
As to whether it is indeed an outcome of a research [that] would depend on the avenue in which
it is published. Blogs are great for airing out opinions, and sometimes, idle thoughts – don’t get
me wrong.
We can share ideas and opinions, and debate in the regular way, instead of going to lengths to
publishing unsubstantiated facts (opinions).
And finally, back to the Gomesi debate, my unsolicited advice to our young women is that
weigh your options when you decide on what to wear at the next Convention. Do you want to
appeal to the old guys who are living in the evenings of their time, or to the young guys who
could potentially be on the lookout for serious undertakings? A gomesi may not earn you a
second look from guys of our generation. It is your choice!
Like Thomas said, time has changed. Technology, etc. Even economy has transformed since
from agro-based to industrial economy to now information/knowledge based!
Thanks,
Caesar
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Hello Caesar,
This is my last communication with you on this subject. I do not like to get involved in a debate
just for the sake of a debate; looking to find winners and losers; or to put others up or down. I
have better things to do.
Suffice to repeat that the central point of my article was that "the gomesi was a Ugandan cultural
dress. It was not a dress for anyone particular ethnic group to claim as originally theirs." That is a
historical fact that nobody can change with or without an original research. It is precisely the fact
that I wanted to share particularly with our Lango audience who might not have been aware of it
before. The same fact as I have reiterated has been articulated on many different forums by many
others in many ways before me. In fair use of a source, I do not have to paraphrase any
statements I use for my writing to a newspaper.
I appreciate the information. I will let you know if I need your expertise as “a former adjunct
professor" in any of my future endeavors.
I cannot even begin to tell you how outrageous I find some of your comments on issues on public
forums. For example, consider the following statement you have just made in writing about the
women on this forum: "...my unsolicited advice to our young women is that weigh your options
when you decide on what to wear at the next Convention. Do you want to appeal to the old guys
who are living in the evenings of their time, or to the young guys who could potentially be on the
lookout for serious undertakings? A gomesi may not earn you a second look from guys of our
generation. It is your choice!" I cannot think of a more demeaning and sexist statement to our
women coming out of one of us, much less out a "former adjunct professor’s mouth. You will be
well advised to think before you leap, especially in this politically correct world. I am surprised
that it is clearly taking you a whole lot longer than most immigrants to adjust to the American
cultural norms.
Best of luck,
Omara-Alwala
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Thomas,
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Like I said, occasionally I take opinions of others with a grain of salt. Some of the things about
integrity that I talked about are universal and timeless. Whether you go to South Africa, Brazil,
USA, Uganda etc, you just can't copy and paste things - and claim they were your own research
works without giving due credits/citation to the people who toiled to do the original investigation
or research. It could cost one a fortune! Journalists incur costs in compiling newspaper articles,
etc. I am very sure you know this very well since it is you who first brought about this topic (of
integrity) in January (about Wikipedia). I am just surprised you are becoming unnecessarily
defensive in this broad day light case.
What I know is that I am not the "always YES" person when responding to fluff.
And just last June days before the Convention, I shared with you that I am for "win-win"
paradigm when it comes to interdependence. I shared with you at a personal level the book
"Seven Habits of Highly Effective People". The book says that public victory is not about
winning, but communicating the ideas effectively to the people, and I think I did just that!
People are smart enough to make their own judgments, from there.
Thank you,
Caesar
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Dear O/Amego,
Peace Cheers after busy time away with this and that. Thanks
all for the enlightening and sometimes controversial contributions.
Q.Query: has anyone as yet ePosted a list of LANGO FEMALE
CLAN LEADERS. Incase not, a humble suggestion in the meantime
is that volunteer female clan leaderscome out fwd. U can e- fwd on
to me your name and clan - towards completion of the clan list and
URL links to their personalised eCommerce web pages.
I'm still ready, able & willing to create and manage for each Lango
female clan leader a personalised eSite, where none happens to
be existent.
To Omego Ceasor O.
My previous stand remains firm that each name tag worn @ LAONA
meetings include as well below it, the clan name of of the name owner.
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Re. the recommendation for females to be psychologically well dressed
up for all LAONA functions or events (opposite to the all - body-covering
gomesi), me thinks the scanty good old days' ways would best fit that
description (ref. the attached img.)
U probably are sub-consciously suggesting a return back to our roots/
back to the good old days ways of doing things including fashion-wise?
i.e not only during cultural dance occasions as in the attached img.
The suggestion would hold more water if based in addition, on the global
climate changes, which seem to be in favour of the hotter more than the
cold weather. At this corner of g-village, females are still demonstrating
for the right to walk around bare-chest, legally.
Welcome, to our interesting world of infinite variety!
In the spirits of Unity,
Peace & Cheers.
- Amego D. Gift
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Amego Dorothy,
Thank you for your intellectually sound input, and for consolidating on my idea – just as many
others did, here and off the record. Combating climatic changes (e.g. global warming) is indeed
one of the global challenges, and we need to be part of the solution. For now, people react to
such changes by dressing scantily, as you put it, which should be understandable to everyone.
On Jan 18 2013, one member of LAONA made an outstanding contribution (to me, at least) on
this very forum, which I cannot forget. He said, “… We should also not look at the sector in a
limited way; teachers and parents are very important if we want sustainable education
improvement. I hope some of our contributions in the end will also be intellectual (they are the
most sustainable).” The contribution was under the subject line, “RE: Lango Must Rise and
Shine Again” – if some of you remember.
In relation to some of the ongoing debates, I have always looked at the discussions not as
arguments, although we are expected to construct logical and coherent arguments. As an
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immigrant who has freely travelled and lived around the world a bit (yes, I am not a native
American!), I have witnessed advanced cultures making miraculous strides in social
developments from what is now widely known globally as “wisdom of the crowd”, “crowd-
sourcing”, or “collective intelligence”. They are the latest trend in most societies all over the
world.
I could not find a better way of explaining how extraordinarily important those breakthrough
ideas are. Fortunately, one of the few experts in the field explained this in depth. [He and I
happened to be close members (colleagues) of a research and development (R&D) group two
years ago here at an R & D Company in NY, and he happens to be one of the only 5 Chief
Scientists of the Company and a Professor at some Universities here]. He explained very well
how societies are making use of the cutting edge idea of “wisdom of the crowd”, and I thought it
could be of interest to some members of this community.
http://www.crowdsourcing.org/video/piero-bonissone-analytics-cloud-computing-and-
crowdsourcing-----or-how-to-destroy-my-job-/22780
I thought it was appropriate to share it given that our organization is blessed with great ideas
from all corners of NA.
Thank you,
Caesar Ogole
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Ceasar
I know of Aimee Caesar, the great Martinique poet and critic, and of Julius
Caesar. You are the third. Will love for you to write for Nile Journal, the
out of Africa online newsmagazine. Please check our current front page at
http://nilejournal.com/. Thanks
John
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diversity-in-austin-fa/pwWZk/
Caesar
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I know you're involved with the Gomesi thread email, however, this event this Saturday
could quite possibly change your life! 3 Millionaires (one of whom is my Mentor) will be
in your area on July 27th.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z94qUnsB5yE&sns=em
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The undulating landscape of Ngetta Hills, imbued with beautiful natural green succulent shrubs offers an
astounding panoramic view reminiscent of no other place in the author’s versatile memory, but that of a rich
rising terrain that moderated the atmospheric feel on the very night this author emerged from the womb –
into this world, which, itself, turns out to be a world of class apart. I guess what I am saying is that a not
uncommon common man’s intimation on Broadway, New York, typically goes – “yo! That dude was born
only four kilometers to the East Side of Ngetta Hills!”
That the Lango male model chose the unparalleled scenery to rhythmically display Lango’s latest and non-
static cultural attire is unmistakable.
Indescribably composite and elegant, the meticulously crafted pieces of fabric and associated
paraphernalia (called attire) not only serve as a unique augmentation to the already full-to-the-brim beauty
of the [not-] hard-to-miss Got Ngetta (forming the background), but it also makes the Lango man himself –
the model in this case, a man fully turgid of cultural pride! And the creators must therefore scoop that rare
token for stitching together the native and cultural avant garde displayed in that video!
A reader who reads for a purpose must be wondering what the heck all this cacophony has got to do with
the ongoing debate! Well, let’s first acknowledge that the contributor (who shared with us this video), for
some reason, left her input open-ended. Yet, it should be apparent that the table has been turned – placing
men (like me) on the defensive. My position remains unchanged. We cannot wear such attire in North
America for the very (applicable) reasons that were given for gomesi. Plainly speaking, I would not be in for
a surprise if none of our men turned up at the Convention in that attire, even though, in this case, the
fashion seems more native to our culture.
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Yet, this response also serves as a vote of thanks to the person who clearly did a formidable job in sharing
this undoubtedly original research artifact, if you will. The moving pictures paint a million words! Again, to
connect it to our current discussion, this video contribution is quintessential of the power of “wisdom of
crowd”. [And by the way, our technological infrastructure, loosely called “software” will go a long way in
helping us capture, store and retrieve all contributions of this kind. The rationale behind this is that future
discussions will not have to start from square one, again. Easily retrievable premises will serve to build
wiser arguments in the future. The software has been delayed due to unforeseen reasons, but keep the
feedback/suggestions coming!]
And finally, since roles have been switched (somewhat), I am now specializing in moving votes of thanks
to our volunteers on the ground and other contributors– a position that I am enjoying, quite easily. I already
received my fair share of appreciation in the past!
Good job Sylvia! [Haven’t heard from you in a very long while - until now!]
Caesar
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There are so many ways we can use this forum to discus several developmental and intellectual
issues objectively and divergently.
I have been observing what would come out after the inauguration but none has impressed me.
For us to move forward, we need to not only discuss what glorifies us but develop us.
I would also like to remind those who were elected in different capacities that the ball is in your
court not only to lead but to direct us on the right course of action.
You need to generate something topical and interesting to participate in.
I see nothing of interest in gomesi to spend the entire month to talk about the entire time?
I don't mean to offend anyone but let's be serious by action not promises and word.
What will gomesi do to us? It has been there and will be there. By the way no one has ever come
up to demand patent or trade mark right of gomesi. In Uganda, any tailor can make it and will
continue for generation without any impediment or limitation. It an elegant sense of design and
fashion which is national in nature. That is why it is worn in every part of Uganda. Whoever
designed it. I give him or her a big up.
Can we leave this gomesi issue apart from trying to get a patent right alone and discuss what will
change our life and status for generations?
Am sorry if I offended anyone in any way.
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I have never been so wordy like this. But I feel I have had my fill.
Obanga gwok kede tel wu.
Patrick O. O.
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Hi Patrick,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EP83OBPMpw
Sylvia
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Without any doubt thanks is in order to Sylvia Nyana for unveiling this
wonderful pictorial documentation of our narrative. Henceforth, with her
assistance, we’ll store this great find in our Spaceship’s Video Library.
As we resume the journey to the next frontier I take this opportunity again
to encourage the whole house to retrieve their favorite attire from their
basement or attic and include it with the rest of our cultural gear during our
voyage. If you don't have any perhaps you could borrow it from your grand
parents.
Patrick, I personally appreciate your noble input in reminding the house that
we need to move forward and find ways to deal with our challenges as a
community. At this point the normal expectation is that the LAONA Board of
Directors has been busy burning the midnight oil to deal with the point you
have correctly raised. In due course we expect them to present their
initiatives the house.
Yes it has been a hectic summer for the LAONA Board and the community.
As we wait for things to unfold please don’t forget to grab your favorite
attire. In intergalactic travel we can use them all whether it’s your
Unpretentious Gomesi or Forgotten Platform Shoes or Oversized
Wrinkled and crooked Loud Bellbottom pants. We can take them all so
long as they bring good memories to you. They all qualify as part of our
cultural symbols and will be handy when we finally make that first contact
with extraterrestrial beings during our journey of excellence to the next
frontier.
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While wishing the whole house peace and tranquility in the final stretch of
this hot summer, I am bullishly exuberant that we will soon start witnessing
some real structural progress in our midst. For this to happen please let’s
continue to pull together and stay on course.
PS: May any expert tailor in the house please volunteer to fit our Patrick
and/or Caesar with unique exquisite Lango attire. All they have to do is pick
their favorite color and please don’t hesitate to send me the bill. Please
only use the best fabric which is worthy of a true Jedi. Going forward there
is no need to confuse some of our best with an ordinary good “Ferengi or
Klingon”. Upon successful completion perhaps Sylvia could arrange a video
screening of this accomplishment
Love you all... let's continue our match forward...thanks for all your
contributions
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Hudson,
I am glad you raised this important point “pictorial documentation of our narrative”. Yes, we need to
document our rich history for future generations; and we have the technology to do it.
We (Lango) need to OWN our history; otherwise people with no knowledge of our culture will continue
to shape our history while we sit at the side and complain (like me). For example, this site
(http://www.uganda-visit-and-travel-guide.com/langi.html) is meant for tourists. There is nothing
positive about Lango people on this page. I may be wrong, but tourists are not going to find most of the
things described on this page (some are non-Lango). Please read the Lango section and compare it with
other groups.
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“May any expert tailor in the house please volunteer to fit our Patrick and/or Caesar…Upon successful
completion perhaps Sylvia could arrange a video screening of this accomplishment”, will leave this
project for younger generation.
Thanks,
Sylvia
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Brother Caesar, our beloved Jedi Abolo, hopefully you are busy
enjoying your summer with your very own "Amalakwang" in your
hands... Felicitous greetings to you from Philly for the wonderful
feats.
So that it’s not a total stealth move for you, I would like for you
to know that in recognition of your lively contributions in the
house I have commissioned a team of renounced expert tailors to
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fit you with the best Lango attire. Sorry to disappoint you but for
you it won't be a Gomesi.
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Brother Hudson,
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It is always my pleasure hearing from you! Yes, I am enjoying the summer - with 'chicken
enchilada soup' in place of malakwang!
Anyway, you are right that we need utmost tranquility in this house. Things have been somewhat
rough in the recent past, but I am positive we are all getting back together to move forward.
Unity and happiness for all is what we are aiming for!
That attire! I can't wait for it! It looks cool, but le those who will wear gomesi do it. Hopefully,
my girlfriend too will!
Cheers,
Caesar
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Hi Ceaser,
I have forwarded Lango Women and Children for your review. Tom the man who has been managing it
promise to get the password by weekend. Would you be comfortable if he communicate with you
directly? Have a great morning.
Rehema
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I had misunderstood your initial request. I thought you wanted me to do a one time set up of a
website, for which I was ready to spare a couple of hours.
For some reason, I became one person too bad at maintaining online pages on periodic
(weekly, monthly etc) basis. That explains why I just decided to abandon my personal website
(www.caesar-ogole.com), which I had been maintaining for seven years. I had to update it about
bimonthly or so, but I stopped because I could find time to do it on periodic basis. I have the
habit of not interacting social networks (facebook) that much. In fact, I do not have a facebook
account.
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Regards,
Caesar
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Thank you for a quick response. I understand your point. Whenever you find time, guide me
through the web in the future.
Have a good time. We shall anytime.
Rehema
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Ceasar,
Good to see you online!
You missed out on my point in the first posting. It was meant to be sarcastic- tongue-in-cheek kind of
response. The professor knows my stand on that. There is no way in hell that you would get me to wear a
gomesi!
Florence
Subject: Re: The truth about the Gomesi as a National Dress for Uganda
Women By Omara-Alwala
Thanks - I came back online a bit. I stopped that method of treating Thomas
delicately as if we are here to worship him. Why didn't he ever form LAONA ever
since he was here since 70's? Why did he choose me and Hudson, of all people to co-
sign with him? [What is the first thing people of Philly will tell you about Hudson?]
That speaks volumes of how Thomas relates with other people]. And he tries in his
speech to downplay and adulterate my contributions? And he writes to me stupid
response when I ask him to remove my name from his speech? He wants me to kiss his
ass? He is trying to live the life I wrote in biographical sketch, in a way.
He is not responsible for my being here in NA, so I don't owe him anything (even
respect, except that I do that to every human - ).
I am surprised he is pretty old, but his arguments are weak for his age. He changes
goal posts shamelessly, as if the people do not see it. Or rather, he is becoming senile.
http://www.lookupanyone.com/namelistings/grace-alwala.html?
recordid=0851PXCKJ76
He had his non-profit since, and I am not sure about the great things he has done with
it so far. Did you ever hear of this non-profit?
http://www.bizapedia.com/va/NUTRITIONAL-INITIATIVE-FOR-AFRICA-NIFA-
INC.html
And why didn't he come with his wife to show people how to wear gomesi? Trying to
undermine other women?
And copy and pasting, and yet he used to blast other people for doing something much
less than that?
I am not here to be misled and miseducated. I will write a letter to de-enroll myself
from the association - when I get a chance; I'm still busy in the West Coast on
assignment for sometime. I know I will address that letter to the Secretary (you).
Thanks,
Caesar
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On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 10:56 AM, Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com> wrote:
Caesar,
Why is there so much bad blood between the two of you? Is there something going on with
you guys that we don't know about? This is bad! I cannot advise Prof. Omara-Alwala on
anything because I am not that close to him. This is what I am going to tell you- take it or
leave it:
1. Try not to lock horns publicly with anyone, and I mean anyone. North
America is a very unforgiving part of the world. Your records/reputation
follow you everywhere you go, and infact, sometimes your reputation goes a
head of you. You are very young and you have a very bright future a head of
you. Things like these could come back to haunt you in the future. You have
worked so hard to get to where you are, please do not let anyone or anything
derail you or lead you to a path that could lead to regrets in the future.
Someone could also maliciously use these kinds of things against you in the
future. Do not give anyone anything that they can use against you when you
least expect it.
2. There are people who will never see the truth as is. If you try to tell the
truth, you become the bad person. They will read things that are not there,
they will twist things, they will always believe that you are out to get them.
You cannot win with such people. Just walk away! It does not mean you are
weak, defeated, not intelligent or whatever...it is the smart thing to do. This
kind of scenario always just ends up with losers, no winners. This is not
where you would like to be.
3. As a young adult, you are free to make decisions as you please. If you
would like to de-enroll yourself from the association, that is entirely your call.
As Secretary of the Association, I will honour that as soon as I see your letter.
As a friend, and I am writing this as a friend, I just want to let you know that
so many of us, including yourself, worked very hard and made a lot of
sacrifices to ensure that we have an association. We now have an elected
board which has quite a number of very dedicated and intelligent individuals.
We would like to see this association succeed as a very inclusive body. You
have absolutely no reason to de-enroll just because you do not see eye to
eye with the Chair of the Board. That is giving one person too much power
and credit! You can choose not to interact with the Chair but communicate, if
you wish, through the Board and we will ensure that the Board, not the Chair
responds to your communication. I said this before and I am going to say this
for the last time, you the youth are the future of this association. If you, who I
thought could actually lead this association to greatness quit now, then I
don't know what the future of this association will be.
I know you are quite upset right now but I hope you find it in your heart to
rethink de-enrollment. Choice is yours.
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Sincerely,
Florence
Subject: Re: The truth about the Gomesi as a National Dress for Uganda
Women By Omara-Alwala
Florence,
Thank you for the kind piece of advice. I will take it seriously.
About the bad blood, I was angry that Thomas treats people as if he is all powerful. I
was not going to lock horns publicly again as I wrote in my email when you were still
for the Convention. But Thomas' arrogant reponse angered me again.
"I cannot edit it in any way at this time. I would be indulging in false representation.
I am not responsible if anyone misconstrues my speech in part or in whole. I am the only
one responsible for the contents of my speech. I am sorry!"
That was touching a wrong button! As you said, I am young, but if someone tries
(again) to cross my path like he tried, I am determined to teach him even tougher
lessons of his life. Simply becaue he is a professor does not give him any right to cross
any people's path. There are many gentle Lango professors in NA: Gloria Ameny is a
professor dr, Prof Botto, and others in Canada, I am told. You will not seeing them
posing around like your "yours truly". It is just embarassing, but since you are OK
with putting up with such behavior, then it is good for you.
For now, I will stay passive again, but if he tries touching me directly or indirectly, I
am very exposed - and NA may be unforgiving, but I lived around the world a bit, so I
have the exposure things up my sleeves.
Caesar
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On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:07 PM, Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com> wrote:
"You will not seeing them posing around like your "yours truly". It is just embarassing, but
since you are OK with putting up with such behavior, then it is good for you."
Don't get me wrong Caesar. First of all he is not MY "yours truly". He has been calling himself
that from the get go. I couldn't care any less about that. Does not add value to anything on
the universe or in my life. Secondly I am not "putting up" with any behaviour. If he were to
direct anything at me, I would respond accordingly and directly to him. My first response to
his posting was a very sarcastic one and he understood that. If others thought otherwise,
well, there is nothing I can do about that either. Life goes on.
I am a very private person, if anyone were to attack me on this forum, you would not see me
hitting back publicly but I would hit back and hard, no question about that. Not only that, I
may look very plain and simple but I am a very Senior Policy Advisor with the government
here. A position and responsibility I take very seriously. Any slight embarrassment in my
personal life would easily become an embarrassment for the government. I am NOT willing to
lose my job for LAONA, that I can tell you! I therefore stay away from involving myself in any
argument and or discussion that maybe misconstrued. People always only take bits and
peices of any discussion/argument and focus on it, in the process making a discussion
sound completely out of context. Langi are very well known for that. Any you can never know
how people will edit your posting and pass them on!
I have lived here for a very long time with very little interaction with the Langi, if I have to go
back to that, I would only be too glad to. I can and will fight my own battles.
Peace...
Florence
PS. Just so you know, I made your case directly to him about removing your name from
the speech as I promised you while you were camping and I took out that paragraph from the
website myself - you can ask Alex. I am not saying this so that you can thank me, NO, I am
saying this to show you that I care enough to do that!
Florence, -
(Read and take breaks, but this is a story of the origin of turn of events. Let it not disrupt your
work for LAONA)
Thanks for that job that you personally executed about my name on the website. In fact, I did not
need a password to log into that website, but to keep integrity in tact, I decided not to take that
route. To add, I worked on that website just a little bit when Alex requested for help, so I know
its structure. (He shared with me login details that time, though). It is was my hand that posted
that "culture" page (with clan lists), and reorganized layouts a bit a day or so before the website
was announced. Again, this is not to earn credit/recognition. Alex could also tell you that, but
leave it at that.
I do have big respect and admiration for you - the reason my imagination went a little wild - into
what I called fascination; but that was dropped.
But let me give you just a little more background why I wanted to hit Thomas really hard once
and for all. I thought you should know it in whole. Take your time, I had some free time in a
bookstore to write it.
1. Thomas knew me since 2011. He knew me quite well even before I ever heard of his name. He
used to visit my personal website from his University intranet (Lincoln University) when I still
used to maintain my website. He googled my name then. He revisited and browsed all pages
several times. I mainly had my research works and a few other materials. [I know this because I
would track visitors]. He then wrote me an email then around March 2011), but I forgot because
I was very very busy that time.
So, when he feigned ignorance of my name (by wittingly) calling me "Charles Ogole" even at the
time he requested me to be part of his Task Force, I knew he was up to something: reducing me
to some level or wanted to change some inner core of me, or elevate himself in a way.
2. His telephone conversations with me would be like: "It is only you and I in this group who
know about academic integrity because we have published in peer-reviewed journal. I am
surprised Nyanna is ignorant of this yet she is a librarian, moreover at Penn State". He knows the
few scientific papers that I (co-)authored have higher number of citations than all his
publications (since 90's, etc) combined.
I did not like such talks, the reason I added Sylvia's name in my software report - to see his
reaction. When I sent him that report (second report), he asked me not to include "other people's
names". He didn't like I was giving credit to Gloria in the report, etc. And he didn't like that I
criticized his meaningless "anywhere and everywhere" utterances. In fact, instead of sending me
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review comments like you did with the first report, he would just call me and we would discuss
over the phone - in areas that were of his interest to him. The rest of the time would be normal
conversations, but also sort of gossiping - which I don't like so much. Then he asked to write
abstract instead. And the time he decided to share with me the logo, he sends a strongly worded
email with subject line, "Do not share this with anyone without my permission!" I know it is
important, but we had already talked about the same in our phone conversation! I could design a
similar or better logo in just a matter of hours if I liked! I have custom tools for doing that!
3. I guess he has some kid(s) in my age-bracket (not sure), but his insinuations would be like
trying to do some kind of comparisons between me and some other people . But he would use
Gloria's daughter as an example: "So you met Gloria's daughter? Where? What kind of
conference was that? Does she know leb lango? Yes, I think for members like that - we need to
find a way of catering for language needs, so this part of software.... " He would say such things
the different times we talked on phone, "... members like Gloria's daughter...". And then he also
started using as another example.
"Honestly, as a peer to this people, why do you give me the burden of catering for such people?
Why don't they join me in this cause?", I would think to myself.
Essentially, he was trying me make believe that it was my obligation to do things to cater for
some "special people's" needs. Those people are perhaps busy with other important things at this
time, but they will join when all is done. That is what I read from his insinuations. I didn't clash
with him on this. I just played it easy.
4. And then I told you about his comments about Owot, Opito, etc. He was in fact saying, "how
did you guess he his level of understanding is low?" -when he was talking about the email in
which I had asked people to stop responding to emails "childishly".
5. When I told him that you had made an "excellent review" of the first software report, and I
asked him to tell me who you (Florence) were, then he said , "in fact, she comes just from my
neighborhood - in the village. I didn't know. ... she is Ogwal's (ex-) in-law... she is playing it
diplomatically". I don't know what the last part of the sentence means.
That was long before you told me more about yourself. I told him that "that lady must be very
intelligent! I am very impressed by the detailed review and suggestions she made in the software
report. She made the best review of all! She writes very nice email messages!" His response
wasn't very clear, as if he thought his earlier phone conversation with me would make the best
review. Anyway, he knew I liked you and had confidence in you. And I am very inclined to think
that is why he later asked you and I to do a review of the Constitution and ByLaws.
6. Talk about that request- you remember-, he wrote: " Caesar, this is simple.. not like the one
you struggled with". That's the kind of thing why I had always wanted to teach him an ultimate
lesson on. How would he say I "struggled" with his English, yet I just made a review? That is
how he wants to reduce people in front of others, and make people start thinking low of
themselves. What he was referring to was way back in January or Feb when he introduced his
draft constitution. No one else responded except me and Ben, but Ben only suggested a thing
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which was already there. [That was the time I trashed Mike's version for being a copy and paste
of the UK]. That was when Gloria was still GS. That very night Thomas sent the draft and
asked it to be reviewed, I had free time so I made quite a detailed and critical review of the draft
Constitution (just like you did with my software report). I sent it back to Thomas (with CC
Gloria). I asked questions where things did not seem clear and made suggestions to make it
clearer. And then, he turns around in that request he sent to you and I and said you "struggled".
Anyway, I didn't do the second review because I didn't have time.
7. Then another thing, when I told him I didn't know anyone yet on the list except (that Gloria's
daughter whom I once met in NYC), he told me he also "honestly" hadn't yet met all this people
in person. "Really, even Dr. Ogwal who said he comes from Aboke?", I asked. He said, "Oh, yes
- save for Ogwal". Yet, the talkative Edisa recently told me her family and Thomas were long-
time family friends although it has been a while since they met. That guy Robert Okello and
Thomas have been long-term friends (though he now lives in Ug). And I guess he knew many
other people. Edisa told me all about how they are related to Charles Emer, and they lived in
Zambia- and some got to Australia. Thing is, why didn't Thomas want me to know he knew
other people? [On another note, I managed to calm Edisa down a bit - you know her and her
business. But she made me to know a lot how all these people are almost related and knew each
other long before]
8. And remember when I announced my candidacy? [And you know I wasn't serious, although
many people took me serious]. The first person to respond was that Robert Okello, against me-
and twisting my words, although I agree my campaign rhetoric, as he called it, were very were
very (intentionally made) sarcastic. The reason he responded very fast against me was because
two earlier, I had asked me to stop including me in some subgroup communications that they
would have. That Robert would include me in the mailing list of some 5 or so people, Thomas
inclusive. Those email updates about Won Nyaci saga and Awitong, and those reports. There is
guy (whom I guess is a young man and amateur journalist) who reports these stories, and Robert
would forward them. I guess he is being used as a right-hand man. The list would contain Ogole,
my namesake of UK. I do not know him but I have heard about him, and I think you might be
knowing him better than me. When I first told Thomas that I didn't think I had to be in that list,
he said "Robert is a very good friend of mine. You can just keep these incoming messages for
your record, if anything". So when Robert sent a similar message the next time, I wrote back to
him (CC Thomas and Odyek Agona who where in the original list, but I removed Ogole from the
list). I told Robert, "I think this messages are being sent to me in error. Without mincing words,
they are a distraction to my concentration to what I am doing". They didn't say anything. I have
never received such message again. But that's why Robert was quick to criticize me when I
announced my candidacy.
What I get of these is that Thomas was dreaming that I could be his right-hand guy, like the boy
in Uganda who keeps writing about those won nyaci rand local politics (in lango), sometimes
tainting the names of people in the other camps. That would never be - for me!
And the name Ogole. Even sometimes when I pass through Entebbe Airport, people have a
second look at passport! So well, nothing for/against my namesake- but I don't like to get into
things that are outside my interest. There was a time (during Won Nyaci last year) when
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somebody had just included my email in the group emailing list, and my email was later
removed. I was told there was a group skype conversation that ran, "Why are you sending email
to Ogole ageri!" So, I had some work to do to identify myself- but that's how I ended up to to be
now! The person who told me about the group skype conference recently said, "Wan otamo ni
ibedo Ogole amwoli, kara ibedo Ogole ager okene?" :)
9. Equal respect and regards for all: If you notice, he does not reply (seriously, at least) to other
people's emails. I have studied this for months. If he does, he does it mostly to strengthen his
own position. If fact, the first observation that struck me was about you - way back in January. It
was you who responded to Thomas' email when he suggested Lango Association for USA only.
In that email, you argued that there was strength in numbers, and you volunteered to talk to your
Canadian brothers and sisters to see if they were many (enough) to form Lango Ass Canada.
That was really great, I thought! Then, Adam wrote afterwards and Thomas' response was not to
you but to Adam:
"It is great to hear a voice from our brother in Canada about Lango Association. Thank you
Adam! Would you kindly find out for us if you can, Adam, how many of the other Langi from
Canada might be as enthusiastic as yourself about the prospects of the Lango Association in our
part of the Hemisphere?"
But Florence has already volunteered to do it!- Then, that continued with other people. Sarah,
recently writes expecting some responses from him but her messages go hanging in public. This
is a strategy to make someone feel inadequate. He tried doing it to me those days when he was
hammering Sylvia Nyana (over Wikipedia editing). I was trying to moderate both sides, saying
both their contributions were both useful to us. He would not respond to my contributions, even
though, as I said in (1) he knew my background in scientific publishing. He thought I would
eventually disappear! Of course, he got me to work with him for a while, but I wasn't working
for him really. [I was working for LAONA and my business! I have other organizations/clients
for this particular software that I was developing, including Zamboggo (the Baganda group in
USA). Even other organizations in Australia. Yet to contact others. I knew it.] And when I made
a humble introduction that I was born under a banana tree, that was a great story for him. He
thought I was now under his trap! So you see, this is just a mind controlling strategy that people
like Thomas use to dominate others. When I continued with my contributions (just like you did),
not caring at all about anything, that's why he eventually started responding and every time
making sure things were in his direction.
He eventually convinced a number of people to drift from their original beliefs. In that email, for
example, you wrote a beautiful strong message:
" I strongly believe that there is always strength in numbers and unfortunately, currently there are
very few Langi in Canada."
See: [I would like to echo Professor Omara-Alwala's last line of the e-mail below: "Let us
come together as one in Philadelphia and, even for just those few days, inaugurate, and
celebrate our Association in a big way. Number is but a statistics; commitment is our proof in
the pudding." ]
That is what they call changing people's core- and what controlling people like to achieve. Mind-
control is cult-like. Anyone who really makes it an objective can plan and control others. They
don't need to professors. Here it is confusing because people generally think a professor is very
knowledgeable.
For Sarah's case, - you described her as "quite a character". Indeed she must be, because I was
once forwarded an email in which she told Mike Ogwal that she would use every means to stop
him. Now, as I said, Thomas too knows Sarah is quite a character. He will ignore her (as he has
not been responding to her emails in public) - not taking her seriously, so that Sarah eventually
changes her core. start to look at Thomas as supreme, and must comply if she is to fit in.
People who take serious stand publicly will fall out. A tongue-in-cheek kind of response to him
does not bother him, because he knows the general public may not get it, anyway. He knows that
such indirect criticism will not have any consequence since he can easily shut it down, and
business continues as usual. If anything, it is a technique they employ to show the public that he
accepts criticisms - yet the criticisms end up being inconsequential. It is the direct strongly
worded criticisms that make or break them.
[And it is true that a considerable section of the community do not understand the sarcasm in
such (tongue-in-cheek) messages. I understood yours about gomesi when you talked about the
dress code not given by facilitator. Even the first message that ran "No-wonder you are a
professor! Thank you for the research and unavailing the mirth about Gomesi. It is not a Loango
dress, nor a Buganda cultural dress but a Ugandan Women Cultural Dress. Thanks! " was
backhanded. Some people knew that that was fake research.
Like I said, people who take serious stand publicly will most likely fall out:
Examples are
- Caesar,
- Gloria (he used to disturb that lady with hopeless concepts of Robert's Rule, etc. How many
times will we use those rules? That was a complete distraction because he was hungry for
power),
- Sylvia,
- Adam (I guess),
-Mike (may be a different case), etc.
- Rehema ( I hear she is one of the toughest women out there. She led welcoming of won nyaci,
etc)
And he says to me, "I will let you know when I need your 'former adjunct professor's' expertise".
Putting it in quotes to belittle it. Yet he knows very well I actually taught as an adjunct at
Syracuse University and State University of New York. These Universities are ranked highly
than his Lincoln University - the historically black university (not ranked, almost). (Don't mean
to belittle it by that).
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He wants me to believe I have left behind bigger things (by not working with him). Again, these
are mind control strategies, also used by con men.
10. Ganging up on other people. This is where lack of professionalism comes into play. We saw
ourselves participating in launching defensive attacks (e.g vs. Ogwal). Hudson would call me on
phone, or if I didn't answer for some reason, he would write me email "Urgent: call me" - only to
ask me to "write something" to counter criticisms from fellow members - now we have coined
some words "friends and supporters". As you noted, my responses on the few occasions were
skewed. I asked people to teach people how to grow malakwang, etc. I did these deliberately. I
was not going to attack Ogwal, yet he raised some good points. While we are volunteering to
develop things free of charge, Thomas is commercializing logo (t-shirts), etc. I was never going
to be brainwashed to take sides.
11. Insincere praises. As you know, I am not that gifted, but I was fortunate to have received
numerous awards right from when I was a child. I am used to praises, and I know they usually
come with hard work - not just after any little day to day thing. The awards and praises that I am
used is after serious toiling and sacrifice. But LAONA was odd. I would be praised excessively
for only running a simple survey. And when alternate, the person who had done it before is cast
in negative light - as if he absconded a duty. Very weird, but that is what Thomas promotes.
Making people work for him if they have to look better or earn praises. Insincerity at its best.
Things are not genuine, save from a few individuals.
12. Wanting to look big in all ways. Forging his ways to make his monetary contribution the
biggest ($142>140$). And forgetting that he could count my other monetary contribution when I
mailed the signed Incorporation document from New York to Missouri at Express rate ($20) as
he wanted. Why didn't he add that $20 to my other $30 to make my contribution $50? If $2 is
important (to add to 140 to make 142), since he wanted to make the highest contribution of $142
(more than the guy who donated $140), why didn't he count the $20 that I paid for mailing
things? How could he forget it? This is a very rotten and childish way of doing things. And he
authorizes it to be made public on the Web so people look at him as the greatest contributor. And
he writes in his speech, "The three individuals are no more or no less important to the
Association than any other member of it".
13. Not teaching people. Why can't feel he has a responsibility to teach people. Teach people not
to use profanity, and use appropriate language when communicating, etc? When it turns on
them, things could be hard!
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=> For all these things, I wanted to overhaul Thomas' mindset- not just towards me, but also in
general. And that's how it happened. I wanted it to end before the Convention (as I had
promised), but like I said, his persistence and vexing response to my request (about my name in
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his speech) caused me to find a way of hitting him harder. I was very sure of what I was saying,
and although he usually likes to continue arguing till he wins, he surrendered quickly this time
round. I will now leave him at peace. I will not be haunted, but he may be haunted every time he
communicates to members because he must check his facts and make sure his opinions are just
his opinion- not always to be taken and folowed. Do not worry, I just did a fine job! Soon, other
people will forget it, but he himself will not. When time for selecting venue for yearly General
Assembly comes, for example, he will be careful and think critically like Florence did when she
advised on venue! (Not saying I had any issue with PA). And it was a calculated move intended
to touch other people too. The editor of the Nile Journal was included in the list as well, so he
will learn to be a better editor; make checks before publishing things on their site. It was a
powerful lesson, that is how I am looking at it. It was not a lesson way beyond gomesi, and I
intended it to be that way. (I really don't mind what a woman wears; gomesi or not. It is her
business). Usually, when I do something out a strong force from inside of me (called the Self),
the results end up good, game-changing and sustainable although the immediate outcome
becomes sort of enormous discomfort and mixed feelings, as it is now. I am not giving credit to
myself, but I did what I did based on the premises detailed above. That experience was unique to
me, perhaps for a reason.
And by the way, Thomas visited my brother (HM of Lango College) in July 2012. But I only told
him that that was my brother in March when he called me to ask me if I could be one of the
incorporators. He was surprised, but he said he liked my brother a lot. My brother later sent us a
picture when they were together (and Thomas's wife). They're not friends as such because they
didn't know each other, but they just met at the School when Thomas paid a courtesy call at his
alma mater. Thomas told me his cousin is my brother's deputy. And I didn't tell my brother about
all these developments. That brother served as Deputy HM at SMACK and Nabbingo before
going to Lango College. Just so you may know, a number of people on this list are coming to
learn that I am the brother of the headmaster of Lango College, something I wanted to stay away
from - just for no reason.
Anyway, I will now let him rest! And I will keep observing to see whether it is worth it
continuing being a member of the Association. I now belong to 5 other associations and clubs
already.
On a positive note, I have made many friends -:) . The lady in brown, who once was never on my
side and I had never had 1-on-1 conversation with, out of the blue sends me a text (3 weeks ago),
"Hi Caesar, I missed you at the Convention. Feel free to call me anytime!" We talked of course,
and she wants to come to NY. Of course, you know my position. I am not taken yet, but I am
somewhere - in a way.
And finally, when the right time comes, I will invite you, if you like - to be a business partner.
You did a great job reviewing the app report but that was just another line. Some day - you may
want to be part of my "for-profit" company. This may take sometime as I am busy with "normal
work", but I am also very seriously working on the start-up at my free time. I have two other
friends, but they too are very busy with their 9-5 works. I own 95 % of the "shares" at this
point :) I will let you know, but that may take months. I am determined to have it grow! Your
input will be appreciated!
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Very comprehensive response for you. It is just as detailed, informative and encouraging
reaction!
Let's leave it on this great note! I will not respond much now, than simply acknowledge that I
read and appreciated every bullet 1-13! Just quick highlights:
1. I didn't expect it to turn out to be humorous, honestly - but I'm glad you found some parts
funny. It was long, I apologize.
2. I generally don't like throwing in people's names here and there, but I thought some details
could help.
3. Your points 1 and 2 made me understand things better. We (especially men) have to get over
it. I don't try to poke my nose into Board's affairs, but Betty, like you assured me that it won't be
a one man's show. If fact, that it was Margaret Jato who said it... That we had had given too
much power to the Facilitator then, etc. [ I guess that was some hurdle in transferring power to
the treasurer - from what I gathered]. So, I know the Board is working round the clock. [That
makes 2 people whom I have met in person. I met that lady in Kampala some time back at a
friend's house].
4. That you are a seasoned strategist revives hopes! I can only make it that short.
6. It will take time before people get to valuing healthy disagreements. Without that mindset,
communication becomes very difficult. I just can't even know how to accept a new idea without
first thinking/questioning its potential weak sides. This is a serious problem! You just said it!
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7. Hmmm now I know, people are quite related - which is a good thing. One would think that
that make unity an thing to achieve, but not necessarily. Reminds me of the differences that
existed in large families back in Ug.
8. Keep up the good job; all will be well! I like plain and simple- which is your character.
Let me steer clear of locking horns - in private or public. I see a future of synergy here, despite
the few challenges.
Note: All that talk about political correctness, etc -if you remember was uncalled for. I have good
track record; I can live here for as long as I want. I can move and live in Japan for a while and
come back if I want. That drift in topic was simply as a proof that the message was effectively
delivered. Some emotions had to evoked. I don't intend to bring anyone down. Just wanted one to
feel the (simulated) effect if the tables were turned. Members/friends of my social clubs
(Scrabble, golf, etc) here are government officials, state department, etc. So I am not the fresh of
the boat immigrant -:) I am just flexible depending on who I am interacting with!
Caesar
AUGUST 2013
I am resending this as some people may have been missed. Sincere apologies.
Members, LAONA
This is to inform you that Mr. Benjamin Magomu Wacha has resigned for personal reasons his position as
a Member of the Board of Directors of LAONA effective mid-day August 3, 2013.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Flo,
Let us bid him fare well. Why did he resgin amid investigations? Is he a lion amongst the sheep? What
about it?
Owot Charles
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Omego Charles,
I respect you for both your age, and as an elder in our community. I also respect you for being a member
of the Board of Directors for LAONA.
That said, I would only say that I would not say those words, and I would not use them on any member
of our community. Lango are a great people. Please behave as such. A lot more is expected of you.
Mujee Charles, pwony itino was aber, mii gi dang anyut aber.
Kede gen a rwot,
Peace.
Benjamin Wacha.
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Patrick O. O.
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Patrick,
The investigation to which Charles referred to is an internal Board investigation into who among the Board
Members has been leaking Board discussions/proceedings and altering content of discussions to imply
discord among the Board Members (Please refer to letter from the Board).
This Board is severely disadvantaged by the geographical dispersion of its members. We are spread over
7 States and 2 countries. The Board members' most feasible means of communication at this time is
email which is probably the worst form of communcation for agroup such as ours... The email leakage
and postage on the internet caused a lot of anxiety among the board members resulting into members'
reluctance to participate in discussions. It would have been incomprehensible if not irresponsible for the
Board not to try to find the source of the leakage to reasure the members that they can express their
opinons freely without fear that whatever they say would end up on the internet. The investigation is
ongoing.
Sincerely,
Florence
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Patrick Okullo,
Thank you for your contribution. I believed, I sent my discussion to 8 board directors. How did
my communication reach you? If it reached you by mistake, it was not ment for your
consumsion. Give me a break please. I am not buying that. Let me tell you, Ben Wacha Magumu
quits. What answer do I have, for what?
Charles Poro Owot.
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bot gi. Wilobo lung alunga tye anwongo email ame in itye icoyo nono. Kun in itamo ni itye
icwalo bot joo aboro keken. Naka boti keni dang itye icwalo balu.
Gini iloki alano abedo iye oko ka pe oneno i diru.
An dang akoba akoba ba me galo doga pien an dang ameny amenya awot cwe gira i Bunyoro.
Adwong Wacha me Boroboro ite cukul DOC.
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Is there something going on that we as members are not aware of? If I got this email by
accident, I beg to rest my question. But my instinct tells me it wasn't an accident or my fault that
I relieved it. Whatever is done in darkness comes out to light.
This "association" is barely two months old but so many things are coming out of it.
I became suspicious right from nominations when I asked a question why the nominees were not
disclosed. Am glad I attended the first day but never participated in the elections which took
place in the second day.
Am proud to be a Lango from Okii Amat and will stand by the virtue of that clan.
I hope my sincere contribution to the association will not be in vain.
Ka jami oero timetre itee meja con kiti, ngo ame obino kobi odwe kede ikwayi wa?
Nying aber kato lonyo.
Patrick O. O.
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Hon. Secretary,
Perhaps, I missed the first announcement about Ben’s resignation as a member of the Board of
Directors, so it is possible that I missed other details.
However, basing on the second email that you resent, I think you inadvertently missed something
very crucial – other than just mentioning that Ben did it out of “personal reasons”. We all know that
Ben’s resignation from the Board will not stop him from being a contributor. However, I expected
you to have reminded the house of the important role Ben played, since – dating back to the time
when we all used to take part in the discussion about the formation of this Association. During his
brief time as member of the Board, for example, he co-authored the Open Forum Report, from what I
gather.
Ben played an instrumental role than anybody else in this Association in courageously bringing the
first somewhat organized structure in this Association. Some of us, including some of the top
members of the Board of this association were, for, at least a period of time, part of the structure that
came out of Ben’s bravery. That structure was arguably the beginning of what we see today.
Ben, with whom I have never communicated (one-on-one) nor have seen in person, struck me for his
virtue of graciousness via email communications, even in the face of controversy. Quite a while ago,
I shared with some of the Board members here (and not Ben himself) how I admired Ben’s calm
reactions to discussions (and again, I mean through his email communications). It suffices to say that
most of his communications (tone, etc) is one that we members of this association should emulate.
Honestly speaking- leaving aside any other issues (personal, politics, etc) aside for those who may
have it with him, Ben has already left an indelible mark in the history of this association! [I have
personally disagreed with him on occasions, on principled grounds. For example, when he was
opposed to the venue of Springfield, yet he was not offering convincing alternatives. But that was to
be forgotten, and it was minor issue].
I could write on and on and on, but the gist of my reaction is: let’s be true and give credit to those
who deserve it. We are all capable of writing the history of LAONA, but that would be duplication of
efforts. And, let's try to make our appreciations sincere – not superfluous and not biased and not
flattery.
Tomorrow, it could be another person resigning for personal reasons. Everyone deserves fair
treatment.
And finally, I do not think we should be using the word "enemy" in this association. Who would
want to join an association that is known to have "enemies"? You would rather stay out of it, right? I
guess we could coin another word for that.
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Thank you,
Caesar
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Dear Caesar,
Thank you for reminding us about Ben's contributions to the association. Appreciated.
As for the use of the word enemy in the letter from the Board to the Membership, first of all let me state
that the word was used in relation to the incident outlined in the letter, not any other. Secondly, when
someone goes all out to destroy members of a board, this is not only an attack on the board but on the
association as well. When one crosses that line, they become an enemy. This line was crossed.
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I will update when new information becomes available. For now, I have nothing further to add.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Hon. Secretary,
Thank you for your sparing time to clarify the use of the word “enemy”, and its usage in the
letter written by the Board.
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Kindly allow me use this opportunity to quickly to share with everyone this basic fact, which
could be useful should there arise a need to use that term in the future (under a similar context).
[I know you and others who come from digital technology background already know this. You
probably wanted to keep it simple].
1. Digital security experts (and digital forensic scientists) – often use the word “adversary” to
refer to such an “enemy”- hence the term adversarial attack, and the like. They strictly use these
terms for very good reasons that the term “enemy” would not sufficiently address.
2. If a piece of information was leaked by someone, assuming the content was not altered, then
the “enemy” would be called (by others) as the “whistleblower”.
The difference is very important, and the words may not be used interchangeably under certain
scenarios, like in our case.
It is also important for us to be accurate in such a case, because most people are sensitive and
would not want to associate with things that have enemies in them.
Caesar
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Members of LAONA
I have taken note of Charles Owot’s email last night to Mr. Patrick Okullo, a member of
LAONA, in which he expressed great concern on how Mr. Okullu received an email which was
not meant for him. I checked it out and found that he had sent that particular email to 22
members of LAONA, plus the board of directors.
As members of the board of LAONA, we are expected to restrain from unethical, inappropriate
and unprofessional conducts at all times, particularly to our esteemed members of the
Association. We are expected to exercise absolute restraint and respect for all members of
LAONA. Every member deserves respect.
The email to Mr. Okullo, a prominent and esteemed member of LAONA was wanting,
inappropriate and calls to question Mr. Owot’s character as a member of the Board of Directors.
The Board of Directors project the image of LAONA, and unprofessional and unwelcome
conducts cannot be condoned by this Board.
I will be recommending to the Board that this particular conduct be reviewed and necessary
action must be taken to avoid such incidences from recurring in the future.
Thank you
Betty O'Dero
Vice Chair, LAONA
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Amego D. Gift
Attachment:
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Amego Dorothy,
Thank you for that belated and not backhanded addition. A quick correction is that the Patrick
you referred to is not Patrick Abal.
I also would like to clarify that my active participation in this debate was to demonstrate that
members in this list all have their own self-interests and credentials, and it is not appropriate to
try to impose one's personal interests on other people. People look at things differently. Some
religions have their own codes of dressing, and that must be respected as well.
If anyone is interested in opening a Gomici business, just do it the conventional way, and not
with faulty logic.
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And this applies to (mostly) all kinds of interactions. Straightforwardness yields better results.
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Hi Dorothy,
Thanks for your comments! Saleh is the model, the "attire" are his collections. My niece took the
photographs while I was in Uganda, and I made a video out of it. Saleh is a proud Lango man! I
do not expect Lango men to show up at LOANA meeting wearing this attire , but can be worn by
people like Saleh and others at cultural events or special functions (marriage). Saleh has
appeared at local and national events showing off his collections (Lango attire) for the last two
years. We have a rich culture, more videos will bring some of it out.
Best,
Sylvia
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behind! p'se. I won't when our eager Cdn. team visits there soon,
O.T.U.D (One of These Upcoming Days).
Omego Ceaser, thankU for corercting my mix-up regarding our
Omego Patrick (Abal i think is still somewhere in S.Sudan with a
U.N. team, helping out Salvir Kirr, so no suprise he's not the one).
U're right too about own choice of attire, knowing how much we
here have to change constantly to fit in with varied ongoing events
e.g. I narrowly missed being thrown out of mosque one friday due
to not using waist length stockings (indecent partial legs exposure);
@ the German community's Martin Luther Church, it's all black suit
for all, with strict time & formality observance; @ workplace, it is formal
- casual red /blue colour combination of whatever one choosed to wear
e.t.c.
They all sure make for the most interesting of lessons in flexibility.
The best formulae is to be observant and do as in Rome. Some in
Rome can even be so nice one second then nasty the next, the nice
again, so having a firm handle of control over one own feelings is
important. When I visit prisons, 80% + are black skinned e.g. due to
lack of solidr training in self-ves esteem and anger management.
Welcome LAONA & all the Lango, to our new global villages world
of differences and of infinite variety! Peace.
Sincerely,
Amego D. Gift.
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Hi Dorothy,
"ThankU Sylvia for update that Saleh may help come up with more videos on Lango soon."
Saleh is not coming up with another video for now. I will share another video, not Saleh's attire.
"Lango positive presence including @ g-village fora a You Tube is still highly wanting. Many
here are busy with this and that so combined efforts will do the trick, with each chipping in as
possible."
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As you stated correctly "many here are busy", but you can focus on your own niche (what
interest you), can be fashion, Lango culture, and make the best of it. I agree with you, we are all
very busy.
"They all sure make for the most interesting of lessons in flexibility.
The best formulae is to be observant and do as in Rome. Some in
Rome can even be so nice one second then nasty the next, the nice
again, so having a firm handle of control over one own feelings is
important. When I visit prisons, 80% + are black skinned e.g. due to
lack of solidr training in self-ves esteem and anger management."
Best,
Sylvia
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Hello Amego Sylvia N.
Peace cheers, with thankU again as well for the comment
on my eMailed piece actually written in a hurry - following
eMail checks after a while, this Aug. month. It is appreciated
many members here including yourself are ready + willing
to promote our cherished Lango culture in varied ways.
No big deal hopefully about the rather delicate issues
surrounding Lango fashions and flexibility now blending
in with other aspects of daily life in multi-cultural g -villages.
Fortunately our law book guides in Eccl. 3 that there is the
right time for everything, and that's where respect of varied
dress codes could apply i.e. no point being kicked out of any
place by fashion police e.g. over being in the wrong attire,
policies wise. Please excuse the multidisciplinary policies
approaches spilling over into the cultural:
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Fortunately The Lango are increasingly becoming more aware
daily that our language & culture is one of v.many in g-village
(@ age 4 I knew Lango was the only language & culture w.wide)
but we do not have to get lost either, about calls for flexibility in
interactions with others' cultures... right from the unique fashions,
to rules of conduct or response to others behaviour codes & e.t.c.
i.e. let not the cultural awareness promos be strictly limited to
only our own to the exclusion of all others, or to any one aspect
of it. That would be quite stifling to near unbearable degree levels.
Trusting therefore that this clarifies on my last paragraph, the
humble opinion remaining that 'when in Lango...ooooops...Rome,
do as the Romans do' while being ready to respond appropriately
in as much as we are to "be in the world but not of it". Quite a
balancing act, but still possible. ThankU for your understanding.
Peace to our cultures &
Peace To Our World.
Sincerely,
Amego D. Gift
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Hi Dorothy,
My angle here is education (Lango history and culture). We have not done much to promote
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Lango, so diversity of cultures is not my burning issue. Other people with no knowledge of
Lango are doing the promos for us. This is my personal project, but will share final product with
Lango in the diaspora and home. My cultural promos/project is limited to Lango culture only.
As a people (Lango), we tend to run away from our culture/background, so there are few
(written) records of our rich culture. If you are proud of yourself/ background, others will
appreciate and respect you, and has nothing to do with diversity. Yes, we need diversity of
cultures, opinions, etc., but that's not what my little promo is about. One person cannot cover all
aspects of Lango culture/history, and that's why we have LAONA and other Lango groups.
There are young people on this list (LAONA) with different talents, so "my generation" can learn
a thing or two from them...that is diversity at work.
Best,
Sylvia
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1. ThankU, got your points loud and clear, and true - many
with each one's self - chosen calling "for God & Our Culture".
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Some of the Lango as noted though, would feel very stiffled if tied
(maybe this is why Omego Ceasor prefers the simple birthday suit)
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4. The glaring fact remains as all here know well, that so many of
shall not now begin advocating for the exclusion of our own
global context. This is does not mean each one has to be broad,
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of benefit to some.
7. Trusting that we all are now on the same page re. the above.
project line of choice may be. Long Live The Lango Culture and
Peace to all.
Respectfully,
Amego D. Gift.
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Langi me amerika,
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Ngo atye atimere kane doki? Dipu wi wu kere iworo ba! Nying yubu tek matek ka obale. Bed wunu iworo
ikom owote wu, akadi dako, akadi atin, akadi okwano onyo pe okwano, akadi agoro
Kodi kop okene ame ocoye ni pe nyuto anen aber bot jo amyero bed otela
http://www.laonaweb.org/discussion_forum.aspx#5
Bed wunu anen aber. Their is no House for Dictatorship or Manipululation in this Age ba! No thieve
allowed It good thet it have been expose . Do not cover up thos thing. Kel kom oko kan wek wan onen
gi aber iwang abit
Amot
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Should the official language of Lango Association of North America be English or Lango?
Mr.Chair, this house is not devided what LAONA members did not realize in our innaguration meeting was
TIME factor. People did not keep time to discuss things. We did not exhaust what took us to Philly. We took
thing for granted not realizing could come and bite us. What is happening is what we left untouched. It is not
yet late we can still rectify it.
Brothers and sisters, 8am is 8am not 1pm. Time management has started haunting us. This has nothing to do
with the Chair or VC. STOP talking at the back. Talk mind out or keep quiet .IF notdoes not mean you do not
know. This is NO.
My second point to all members is that stop using wrong words in sending good or bad messages.If you can
not find it use mother tongue. What we send can convey or impact us negatively. Kop apol bot en acek dano
mako.
Apwo jo Lango duc.
AN kede gen,
Charles poro Owot.
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Mr. Chair,
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It is very unprofessional for you to be very ambiguous because quite frankly, you are very annoying. Your
motives are on display and I wish not to go into details, simply to maintain my own professionalism. You may
wish to take a step back and understand individuals because it is a test of your leadership potentials.
Thank you,
Sarah, Alobo.
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I want to first of all thank you for having the interest of finally handing over the responsibility that LAONA
members entrusted upon me. I have been ready to take over from day one, but you have been silent. As a
matter of fact, I have in recent days written to you a private email reminding you of getting in touch with me
regarding my position as treasurer but my email was ignored, as I did not receive any response from you. I did
not want to be demanding and appear rather disrespectful but I felt undermined by you in this matter.
You may wish to re-word your language pertaining to the transfer of responsibility to me because my take
from it is that I have left you to continue with my responsibility as treasure. I could not email any member to
ask for money that they had previously pledge because I did not have the particulars of the account and any
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information pertaining to the account balances, etc. Approxemently two weeks a go, a member asked where
they should send a membership money and you instructed them to send them directly to you and I assumed
that you still wanted to hold on to the responsibility.
I am therefore suggesting that you continue to collect money as I wait for the board meeting to see how best
we can handle the account issue, possibly looking for a brunch closer to me for easy access and better
management. I also need to open a post office box where all monies will be sent rather than to my personal
address.
All these could have been done and settled with had you expressed interest in communicating with me when I
requested. Please issue receipts to all those who are preparing to send the money to you until I have a
structured responsibility in place. I want to handle my responsibility the right way.
Thank you,
Sarah, Alobo
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Effectively immediately, the following is the account number and the Bank address for you to send the money
you have collected from donors or members directly to LAONA BANK ACCOUNT. You will just need to
copy the Chair, Vice Chair and the Secretary each time you deposit any money to the account.
CENTRAL BANK
P.O. BOX 4500
JEFFERSON CITY, MO 65102
Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
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I have already relayed my message across to you and you heard me. One of my responsibilities as a
responsible Board member is to give advice where necessary. You either take my advice or leave it -
you are the chair. If you think (an atye abunyere - abunyara) then you take your time. Don’t get me
wrong- you are doing a good job but as Hon. Ben mentioned and other members- we need a meeting
to rectify some issues as we strive for a better LAONA and a clear way forward.
Alex Atim
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> Where did you get this idea that "We the 9 members Board of directors “were elected by the
members to jointly oversee the activities (projects) of LAONA?" This is a misunderstanding of the
primary responsibility of the Board as the governing body of the Association.
> According to Article 5 (Governing Body) of our Constitution, “The Board is responsible for overall
policy and direction of the Association. It delegates responsibility of day-to-day operations to the
staff and the committees." Hence, it is misleading to say that “We are supposed to have a meeting
and come up with those projects (activities).
> The Chair pointed out in one of his recent communications that the activities of the Association
take place at the levels of the grassroots and the committees.
> According to Article 16 (Committees) of the Constitution, "The Board Chair appoints all
committee chairs".
> The Chair is not unaware of his functions. The chair understands our eagerness to get some real
accomplishments for our Association soon. However, the Chair wants to do things in accordance
with the law, including our constitution, rules and regulations. "Abunye bunye tucu min bul!"
>
> Thanks,
> Omara-Alwala, Chair
> LAONA
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> >
> > Thanks,
> > Omara-Alwala, Chair
> > LAONA
> > 07.24.2013
> >
> >
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> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Atim Alex" <atimalex@hotmail.com>
> > To: "Thomas Omara" <omara44@mchsi.com>
> > Cc: "Florence Ocen" <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>, "Ben Wacha"
<bmwacha@outlook.com>, crcf1@yahoo.com, "Owot Charles" <owotc@yahoo.com>, "Sarah
Alobo" <alobo_sarah@yahoo.com>, charlesemer@gmail.com, mlagulu@hotmail.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 3:04:19 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
> > Subject: Facing Challenges Together!
> >
> > Dear Hon. Chair and Members,
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> >
> > First of all, I would like to thank the Honorable Secretary for her email message of today, July
23, 2013 in which she mentioned the dysfunctionallty in each board members and things going on
behind the scenes. Although she did not go into specific issues, I believed that she just wants the
early interventions to these issues- it was once said that prevention is better than cure.
> >
> > Despite of everything going on behind the scenes or the board looking dysfunctional, I strongly
believed that each and every member shares the same ambition- to see LAONA succeed in every
ways! The problem is how are we going to do this? We still lack well defined guidelines and a proper
direction. Let me be clear here, since the election of this Board, the Board have never had any formal
meeting with clear agenda where a minute is taken. Secondly, we do not have a written working
plan!
> >
> > I am aware that the communication had been through email or one-on-one phone conversation.
Email and one-on-one phone conversation should be used as a way to follow up projects. The
problem I see here is that the committee members had started to feel isolated and demotivated
because they do not have a social link to a project or the other committee members. For this reason, I
propose that the Chair should arrange for an agent formal Board meeting via teleconference to
address all these pending issues. In fact I suggest that we should begin conducting the board official
meeting via teleconference since it is not possible to have members in the same location at the same
time due to distances and cost – then we can follow the progress of what had been discussed by email
or phone calls.
> >
> > Thank you all for your commitments and cooperation,
> >
> > Yours,
> >
> > Alex Atim Ayang ,
> >
> > LAONA, Board member.
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Let’s press the reset button and start this over, together. There are a lot of eyes on us and yes there
are people who cannot wait to see us fail. We can do better than this.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
“Good thoughts are no better than good dreams, unless they be executed.”
- Ralph W. Emerson
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From: "omara44@mchsi.com" <omara44@mchsi.com>
To: Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>; Adam Odwar <zubco2@gmail.com>; Betty Odero
<crcf1@yahoo.com>; Thomas Omara-Alwala <omara44@mchsi.com>; Sarah Alobo
<alobo_sarah@yahoo.com>; Paul Wacha <ocol23@yahoo.com>; Richard O. Wacha
<ogwang929@hotmail.com>; Richard Omondi <godwinomondi@yahoo.com>; Eunice Akullo Owot
<gillianom@gmail.com>; Leo Odongo <odoleo@yahoo.com>; Pito Pius <pitopius@yahoo.co.uk>; Liliy
Ron <lilron5@hotmail.com>; Bruno Opio Okuja <fabrint12@juno.com>; Kenneth Otim
<k.otim01@gmail.com>; Juliet Akite Owot <juliet.b3@gmail.com>; Levi Omara-Opyene
<opyene@yahoo.com>; Maureen Akello <mmtimzzak@gmail.com>; Elizabeth Kikonde
<ekikonde@gmail.com>; Daniel Oming <dkikonde@gmail.com>; Edisa Akao <edisa1@gmail.com>;
Caesar Ogole <cogole@gmail.com>; Jack Oyugi <jackoyugi@verizon.net>; Hon Sam Bhoi Omara
Olwata <bhoisam2002@yahoo.co.uk>; John Amokolo <jyamokolo@yahoo.com>; Patrick Okullu
<peboo@me.com>; Engola Omodi <mamaelder9@gmail.com>; Gloria Ameny-Dixon
<gamenyd@att.net>; Arao Ameny <araoameny@gmail.com>; Sylvia Nyana
<sylvianyana@hotmail.com>; Margaret Odoch-Jato <mlagulu@hotmail.com>; Martin Okwir
<mokwir@hotmail.com>; Hon. Dickson Ogwang <dicksonogwang@yahoo.com>; Hellen Apio
<rosehelly@yahoo.com>; Hudson Ayo <ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>; Mildred Amony Omara
<mildred.omara@yahoo.com>; Odyek Agona <oagona@hotmail.com>; Charles Owot
<owotc@yahoo.com>; Alex Atim <atimalex@hotmail.com>; Ben Magomu Wacha
<bmwacha@outlook.com>; Millie Ogwal <makulloogwal@yahoo.com>; Tom Opito
<opito.tom@gmail.com>; Ayo Orech <uayorech@yahoo.ca>; Anna Aya <annaayaa@yahoo.com>; Emmy
Ogwal <eloggwal@yahoo.com>; Dorothy Adero <amegodorothy@gmail.com>; Morris Otim
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Thanks to the LAONA Board of Directors for making this possible at a very
important stage of our narrative as Langi in the Americas. I'll now step
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forward, without any pretensions, and roll my sleeves to work with the rest
of the team on behalf of our community. Our growing community needs,
obligations and expectations are very daunting but by working together we
can start bending our neglected progress curve more in our favor even
faster.
I am confident that my arrival on this great stage will unleash added oomph
which can only ameliorate our journey as the children of the land of our
ancestors or Greater Lango which is now woven with wonderful strings of
colorful global threads. Today a quick look reveals that the DNA or fiber of
Greater Lango is now intricately and firmly stitched and held together by
creative strings of our people who are now securely domiciled in the USA,
Canada, East Africa and beyond. We are thus a blessed people with a rich
untapped heritage just waiting for us to unlock. The solution for doing this
lies in all of us and we can easily harness its benefits by joining hands in a
cooperative way. Henceforth it’s going to be very helpful to anchor our
resolve in self sustainable and lasting solutions. Our search for optimum
results will be greatly enhanced if we look beyond the ordinary.
It’s with a rational bullish exuberance that I take this responsibility to help
deliver for Greater Lango in the North America. Together we will get it
done. Very soon I'll be up to speed with our prioritized current challenges
on this venue. It's thus with confidence that I assent to this call to duty.
Very soon as a team we’ll tackle these opportunities (not challenges) head
on which for so long have kept our people stuck behind in the quick sand.
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With rhino_ish exuberance,
Congratulations!
Hudson Ayo re. your brand new appointment to the LAONA board.
pay the extra luggage costs. That is the reality on the grounds,
May The Good Allah Lord God bless us all,
For God & My / Our Country_ies.
Sincerely,
Amego D. Gift.
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To humbly kick off the discussion (on education as proposed by Dorothy), I would like to
share with those interested a technology paper I wrote in Leb Lango about 8 years
ago. [See attached]
http://wiki.netbeans.org/CrossPlatformMobileSoftware#Cross-
platform_Mobile_Software_Application_Development
This in response to Dorothy’s proposal, but also to prove one of my favorite writers (Ngugi wa
Thiong’o ) wrong..., though I agree with him for the most part:
“African languages and cultures are likely to die because scholars have abandoned their call
and remained intellectually enslaved to the western world”, renowned Kenyan novelist Prof.
Ngugi wa Thiong’o has said. [ See http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/644569-african-scholars-
still-enslaved-says-ngugi.html ]
Any constructive criticisms are welcome, as usual. I may not respond as I am traveling. ):
Thanks severally!
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Caesar
PS. I translated the (modified) paper then because I didn't see the logic of having been
asked (as a requirement) to submit in English and Dutch. How about Leb Lango?
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Concernes LAONA,
(note: ENG-LANGO language in usage):
blue pi otino kwan from age 6 - 30. It's one of our own
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bongi no duc gire tye v.decent (both for males' and females').
e.g.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcoholic_liver_disease
i.e.
- Anon.
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Attachement [ Or:
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arise regarding the association funds because I do not have full authority as Treasurer, and as
the Chair's constitution states it. I could go into details but I wish not to get into character
descriptions.
Thank you
Sarah, Alobo.
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This is very sad to hear. As leaders and members, we should respect each others roles and
responsibility. Am requesting for a forensic audit as soon as possible.
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Patrick O. O.
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frustrated; and this is very unusual. Apparently the said meeting that the Hon Chair referred
to either did not address the issue or some events over rode the issue from coming up to the top.
Definitely there is serious bad blood between the two officers.
I for one would advice the Hon Chair to really take this as a very serious oversight issue that he
must address within the Board. It is an unbecoming characteristic in an organization that has just
been born, and a lot is expected of it rather than conflicts in the Board popping up from time to
time. This with the amount of silence that has engulfed the Association ever since its founding
have cast the image of LAONA over a not so rosy start. I would again call on the Hon Chair to
hit the floor and work hard at saving the organization for which fought so hard to found.
The best he can do is call on the members to help if need be. it is only prudent so.
Thank you,
Ben Wacha.
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Regarding Sarah's email queries, when will the Lango Association bank account information and treasury
funds be handed off to our duly elected Treasurer, Ms. Sarah Alobo?
I shouldn't have to quote the Constitution and Bylaws to get this question answered.
Regards,
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Dear Edisa,
Thank you for your question. The Lango Association bank account information and treasury funds will
be handed off to our duly elected Treasurer, Ms. Sarah Alobo at anytime she is ready to take up her
responsibility.
Sarah has a vote of no confidence in the Chair. Her account of the issue is one-sided and misleading.
The Board has made an appropriate decision on the matter. The members will be informed of the
decision shortly through our Secretary.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
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Edisa,
Below, is the very first simple email that I sent to the Chair asking for my responsibilities as newly
elected treasurer and to my disappointment, I did not receive any response from the chair not until
some board members put pressure on him. As you can see the date, it was July 16, and I had not yet
heard from the chair following the inauguration. He did ask me to send out receipts but he was the
recipient of all monies. More correspondences will follow upon request. I needed to clarify what the
chair just mentioned. " at anytime she is ready to take up her responsibility". I was ready from the
moment I got sworn in as Treasurer. The chair was not ready to transfer responsibility. Some Board
Members can explain more!
Thanks,
Sarah, Alobo.
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Mr. Chairman,
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I hope you are doing well. I am emailing to inform you that I am still awaiting a structured set of duties
and responsibilities as treasurer from you. There should be no rush on your side but I felt the need to
remind you. Have a good week.
Thanks,
Sarah.
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My input – take it or leave it - usually sounds radical (in the eye of others), but I’m usually
convinced they are all intended for good and are made in quest for long-term solutions. I do not
like quick solutions that will only treat symptoms.
Having interacted with many members of this association in the recent times, than ever before, I
will say the following – and what I am saying is what most of the ordinary members are saying
out here:
1. 1. We do not like to see any of our honorable Board members replaced for one reason or the
other, but if the Board of LAONA cannot work together to form the synergy that we need, we
should not be ashamed to have the Board dissolved and we start from scratch (again). If there is
an outlier(s) that is causing headache or impediments to the Board progress, it is only normal to
ask him/her to opt out of the Board position. He/she can still have the opportunity to serve at the
Committee level, etc. There are members out here who are willing to step in and take on any of
the roles should it fall vacant – from what I gather. [For one, I am busy polishing my resume, just
in case ]. A fellow member I talked to just today made a rather interesting comment,
“Members of the Board dong oling gini loki otye gini I ka lyel!” It was uttered respectfully-
mark you! – but rather out frustration and, I know ithe remark sounds somewhat somber.
2. 2. Ordinary members have been kept of the regular communication cycle. We hear lots of
things are going on within the Board, but we hardly get any comprehensive reports of those
developments. Instead what we get are a few accidental leaks on sporadic basis, and the leaks do
not carry any uplifting news. These “leaks” are immediately followed by rebuttals from within
the Board itself, leaving us the members out here even more confused than ever. The promises
from within the Board to provide a clarification to occurrence of such incidents at a later date
never come to be realized, or usually, they are not as convincing to most of the members. We the
members would love for our Honorable Board members to try to feed us with official reports of
what’s going on inside the Board. The updates could be in the form of biweekly or monthly
newsletters (in long PDF file), and so on. It is not bad to include negative developments in the
Board. Consult us (the members) for input, if need be. It makes us feel good. We do not expect
too much from you because we all have other demands of life besides LAONA. There is always
news to report, for example, my birthday falls on 30th August- the reason I was named Augustus
Caesar. Keep us “posted”, in a way.
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3. 3. Phobia for reading/writing! This, we will disagree agreeably but without detailed
explanation, we cannot understand anything clearly- and it is hard to provide convincing
responses to each other. I have heard members expressing their fear for reading emails that
contain details. They call it “books”. OK, if you don’t want details, we shouldn’t expect to know
much. This is one of the reasons the Constitution is proving to be headache to most of the people.
As one of the people who helped (voluntarily) do a review of the draft Constitution and Bylaws
back in the days, most of the fellow members who have read though the governing documents
will agree with me that understanding the Constitution requires one to spare time and concentrate
(on reading/studying the Constitution/Bylaws) for long hours! Even then, I haven’t fully grasped
everything! It is a worthwhile experience, though. Professor Omara Alwala, of course, spent
months working on that project – so it is wired in him.
There are so many good things about our Constitution and Bylaws, and I trust that’s why our
Honorable Board members approved it. However, I shudder to say that the approved (revised)
version contains unnecessarily complex content, and I only hope that a Committee will be
formed to review and amend the content to make it as simple as 1+1. The Robert’s Rules of
Order (which has become a fallback for the Chairman in case anything is not to be found
elsewhere) is a very complex big book hidden inside our Constitution or Bylaws, and I do not
think we need to make life that difficult for our cultural association. Let’s revise the Constitution
to make life simple. We already have enough stress with other things in our life. In fact, the only
thing I remember about the Robert’s Rule of Order was when we invoked it to resolve ties in
votes the time we conducted a poll, which led to selection of the name of the Association
(“LAONA”), among others, early this year. I remember it vividly because I was the pollster
during that controversy. I think we can pick that one or two rules that are relevant, make them
explicit and embed it in our Bylaws instead of hiding a BIG BOOK inside the Constitution or
Bylaws.
4. 4. It is easy to criticize! – so I wouldn’t be surprised if another member ever said that of this
input from me (and that’s true, for we know that from experience, by the way), so you can take it
or leave it!
5. 5. I will not comment yet on the vote of confidence because I do not yet have convincing
responses form both the Chair and the Treasurer –and I treat input from both of them are equally
important in this case. Let’s hope someone will provide real details to explain the frustration
behind the transfer (or lack of transfer) of accounts and funds from the Chair (former facilitator)
to the Elected Treasurer. I am never into money conflicts, but I had to say that little.
Cheers!
Caesar Ogole
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submitted their pledges so that would be the only outstanding money to the account. A list of
pledges and names of those who have and have not honoured their pledges to date can be
provided to you. The only issue with a forensic audit is that it is quite expensive. We do not have
enough money in the account to pay for a forensic audit at this time. Suggestions on how
LAONA will pay for a forensic audit would be appreciated.
On the issue of the duties of the Treasurer, a response will be provided based on what was
discussed at the Board meeting of August 24, 2013. The Board was not copied on any
communication that occurred between the Chair and the Treasurer prior to the Board meeting
therefore it cannot speak to that. The Treasurer can provide that information at her discretion. As
communication from the Board has to be approved by a majority of the Board members and
acknowledging that people have competing priorities, I am unable to provide a response
as quickly as expected. As soon as I have it, I will pass it on.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Secretary/Spokesperson,
- I think the reason provided for suppressing Sarah's voice will create more inconsistencies than
we have observed before. Why? Because, all along we have always held the faith/trust that what
we send in private communication through the Chairman or the Secretary or other Board
representative, that message would be treated with integrity. That our communication would be
acted upon or passed along to the intended destination accordingly.
Now, kindly answer us: our tradition to (submit) vote on matters of importance has always been,
"Please your votes/suggestion in confidence to so&so (Chairman/Secretary, etc) no later
than...."
Without copying to the Board, how do we maintain the confidence? ... and how will the Board
"speak to that"? How do we trust that how votes are counted correctly without copying to the
Board?
I must add that let's trust our young(er) Treasurer. She seems capable, intelligent and committed
to the cause that LAONA members entrusted to her. Some of you (elderly Board officers) will
look to her and younger people in a few year's time, so you really don't have to think only for the
moment! Seriously.
Caesar
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On Fri, Aug 30, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com> wrote:
Now on to Board matters. I would really appreciate some clarification of what it is you are asking of me. Could
you be more specific? I will be glad to provide answers to you.
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Please note that all the nominations and votes are done through email therefore votes are recorded including
the email of whoever sends it in. I have records of all that and anyone of our members can request for it
anytime.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Thank you!! - Now I feel better after all those birthday messages!
And so Honorable Secretary, I feel bad that I ask too many questions… but I appreciate your
patience and unrelenting effort to steer us forward. Keep it up!
My question is aimed at getting clarification on the criteria for deciding whether a given one-on-
one communication between two parties (two Board members, for simplicity) qualifies to be
official or not, as worded below:
If the Board cannot account for (or “speak for”) an official request/message sent in private
(without CCing to the Board) from the Treasurer to the Chairman, how can the same Board trust
(or “speak for”) the outcome of votes sent individually and in private (or in confidence in an
election process or poll) to the Chairman or Secretary or any other person designated to
undertake such a role?
The reason I ask is that, ever since, it has been our practice that we trust that any one-on-one
communication, as long as it is “tagged” official – by way of its context, at least – would be
treated as such! And it has not been uncommon in the past to hear phrases such as, “I already
spoke with this Board member (e.g Secretary) one-on-one and she already alluded to this…”
coming from another Board member- to mean that the rest of the committee (for example) can
take it (as true) and integrate the decision as the official position.
Where is the boundary line? Why can’t we take Sarah’s one-on-one communication with the
Chair as official? Why must it be at her discretion, and yet the audit trail (evidence, if you like)
exists, and she has shared it with everyone beyond any reasonable doubt?
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Thank you for the clarification. The integrity of Sarah's emails were never questioned by
the Board. The only issue here is that most Board members, myself included, are
seeing these emails between her and the Chair for the first time. Sarah referred this
matter to the Board and as I stated before, the board members had a serious discussion
of the issue on August 24, 2013. I said the Treasurer could provide more information at
her discretion because I do not have those emails.
I hope I have aswered your question.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Can the "Chair" avail the bank statement to all members from the time the account was opened to
date?
Patrick O. O.
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SEPTEMBER 2013
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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This blank page is used to depict that the next contribution is from a [new] member, who has only
partial knowledge or no prior knowledge (at all) of “common knowledge” of every major development
that [had] occured before this date. This assumption is sound unless the new member can prove it
otherwise. The first impression thus counts. [“Every major development before this date”, in this
context, means from November 2012.].
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Patrick et al
I am inclined to intervene as a board member. Your email is disrespectful. This association is not
going to be run under my watch the way most Langi and Indeed Ugandan organizations have and
failed miserably. We are all decent people with full integrity. There must be a level of respect
and grace in our communications with one another.
Patrick this is a new association. We are blessed with a very intelligent team with full integrity
and interest in the well being of Langi in North America. ESPECIALLY UNDER THE
LEADERSHIP OF A VERY ABLE MAN Professor Omara and an excellent Secretary Florence
Ocen
Thank you
Emer
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Charles, I don't think my message is disrespectful or nonsense in any way. If to you requesting
for important information is being disrespectful or nonsense, you should first of all know that I
donated to the association however small it is, it deserves accountability.
Lets not use our positions entrusted upon us to intimidate and undermine other members
concerns.
The leaders we elected must be proactive not reactive or assume that they are suppose to be
talked to or asked in certain ways while they are evasive and undermining the ideas and opinion
of the members.
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The organizational set up of the association is in a quagmire except for the chair, vice, general
secretary and treasurer. Mr. Emer, what are your roles and responsibility?
If it was set up in an appropriate manner. All these we are communicating would be going
through Secretary Communication to the executive and not to all members as we are doing.
There is a big gap in LAONA. Lets use our diverse intellectual ability and rectify and fill these
gaps rather than baptizing members views as "nonsense".
Patrick O. O.
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Dear Okullo,
I nolonger wish to receive any emails from you or any other person for that matter on this subject
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Thank you
Emer
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Patrick,
Please do not send me any more emails am sure you can find something better to do. I certainly
have a lot more productive work. In all honesty I dont even know who or what you are.
Apwoyo
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Weighing the Costs of Defensiveness and New Questions about Treasurer’s duties
This is coming from me as an ordinary member. I have considered and reconsidered many times whether
it is worth the effort and time belonging to this association – an association that I personally, like any
other esteemed member on this list, fought real hard to found. The zeal in the beginning was really high
(not to mean that it should now be a daily activity), and the following sentence characterized that zeal
back in the days:
“Yes, we ALL have been working on this together, and we definitely should go to the next level. I will
co-sign the Incorporation Document and mail it by overnight USPS services to the next co-signer, no
matter the cost. We need it registered ASAP so we can hit the ground with development projects…. !”,
Hudson, Thomas, and myself – are very familiar with those words when we had the Incorporation of
LAONA done through coordination between New York, Philadelphia and Missouri just in less than three
days! Imagine having those beautiful working relationships among ALL the Board members,
without anyone trying to show off that that they have more authority and hence his/her position
must be taken as the true one “and no further discussion on this. Done!”. We the members are
really disgusted by all these defensive behavior coming from the Board! These things come to
haunt, in a not so long run – let’s beware!
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Anyhow, over the course the time, I have continued to fight the urge to resist to even say “hi” to people
on this list, simply for fear that I may offend anyone, but for some reason I keep on writing. I pray, this be
my last contribution on this forum (yes, this FORUM) if we are to proceed under the current
circumstances.
Charles – greetings! – for this is my first time to communicate with you, or hear from you – for that
matter. I am specifically and respectfully responding to your call, and I quote your line: “There must be a
level of respect and grace in our communications with one another”.
I am also writing based on my experience as a leader in similar but bigger and successful (global) organizations in various
capacities as Secretary and (founding) Chairman. The last time I was a leader among Lango was when I served as Children’s
Representative (for Northern Uganda) at the National Social Welfare Policy Formulation Workshop(1997). I’m mentioning this
because I am surprised I am now to struggling to follow how fellow Lango do things.
Your call for “respect and grace in our communications with one another” is very important, and I stand
by you wholly. What I don’t agree with you is for you to single out one person to raise this important
concern as if this is the first time we are witnessing such an incident. In my email of 08/03/2013 (See
forwarded email) to this very list addressed to the Board, I explicitly and respectfully made a request to
Honorable Board members to be exemplary. Further, I requested the Honorable Board to help us avoid
undesirable incidents by outlining the type of (appropriate) language that ALL members should use to
conduct healthy discussions. Members have not seen any response from the Board to this effect.
As we know, our new association has members from diverse backgrounds and they are all equally
important irrespective of age, gender, educational level, income, etc, and we cannot at this point assume
that what appeals to one person (or subgroup) is welcome by everyone. This is why I asked for a
guideline (communication language, style, etc) to be adopted by everyone. Integrity of members (Board
members inclusive) therefore cannot just be assumed under our current circumstances. We need to see it
in deeds! That’s why I think Patrick’s request for a bank statement was in order. As to whether he phrased
it respectfully or not is open to interpretations, because we do not have any guideline for the type of
language to use (as I explained above). We all love to see all our members exhibiting all those good
characteristics and behavior uniformly. I remember I once went as far as citing Ben Wacha as example
who had impressed upon members by his gracious and respectful language. I have never met Ben even
once. Some of us write not because we just love writing. We write hoping that things will change
for the better and as soon as possible, so we can be saved the burden of writing the same thing again
in the future – so we can get to the bottom of it, and so we can have the issues resolved once and for
all. We have other things to do in life, as well.
We have the choice to continue living in denial, but the real measure will be the progress our
association has made on the ground. I made the request about communication ethics following the
allegedly altered leaks that exposed a lot of disrespectful communications from within the Board itself.
The Board, to our relief, said the leaks were altered and that they would share with members a
comprehensive report on that incident (after investigations). Members have not seen any response from
the Board to this effect. Instead new negative developments continue to pile onto the old ones.
The Board is very important and we all respect the Honorable Board members for their sacrifice to
our cause. However, the Board is useless without the members. Put another away, it is of no use if it is not
serving the interests of members. Where are we going to get the members for the “grass-roots”
committees if the Board and the members are not at par? Member’s interests must come first, before
anything else, lest we don’t see the need to belong to the association. It is clear that there is discord, but
the Board members keep pretending there is none. The Treasurer’s incident is a perfect example. We
members treat all Board members with equal respect, irrespective of anything (age, etc). The current
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UNAA President is only 26 years old, and everyone is clustering around him giving him utmost respect.
We members are not afraid to say it again that if the Board has failed, we do not attribute it to the
individual members who constitute the Board. We ordinary members, like the Honorable Board members,
are capable enough to handle difficult situations – the reason we are not afraid to ask that if the Board has
failed, let’s dissolve it and restart the process. Perhaps, the failure is due to conflicts of interests, and not
incompetency. We do not take failure personal – that’s the sincere message from me and I bet others.
My other set of questions, which were NOT answered satisfactorily and remains an outstanding
confusion, is/are:
Who should we believe from the Board? Treasurer, Secretary, Chairman, Hon. Board
member (like Charles, Hudson, …)? Who?
In this respect, is the issue of the Treasurer resolved? Is the Treasurer now satisfied that
her role has now been fully handed over to her? If not, how then do we trust that the
communications coming from the Board is one voice? (Never mind the quorum rule comes
into play)- but is the Treasurer going to serve the rest of her term like this?
It is relatively dirt cheap to open a Bank Account with multiple locations (and close the
old Account in Missouri, if necessary to avoid unnecessary costs). Why not pay the little
State taxes and Banking costs, instead on harboring division and discontent within the Board,
which ultimately is starting to take a toll on the concerned but otherwise innocent members?
Have you considered how much this seemingly suppressible incident could project image of
our leadership to the outside world?
Can
you convince the members not to blame the Board for this mess that slipped out the
Board and now is spreading among membership? Do you expect us (members) to just
continue with business as usual when we receive such leaks? Or do you assume that the
members are not capable enough to act? [And by the way, putting the Board or an Honorable
Board member to accountability task is not necessarily questioning integrity, and so I do not
see a merit in trying to defend it by saying the member who asks for a Bank Statement thinks
the Board wants to steal any money. The amount is immaterial at this point. The account will
keep growing]. The Constitution (which is another topic, altogether), after all says:
Section 1: Access to Association Records: Association members shall have the right to review all
Association records including financial records at any reasonable time in accordance with procedures
established by the Board of Directors except in, litigation, personnel, enrollment records and
confidential records as defined by Association bylaw.
Again, I tend to think that no one thinks the Board will steal any amount of money. We need to cultivate
the culture of accountability in our leaders. If any leader is not ready to answer questions (even on
repeated basis until it is clear enough) or lacks the ability do a job well, let him/her resign. Simple. Division among
members is very costly - I keep repeating this.
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The cost of having a divided Board is far too high (compared to sparing a few hundred
dollars in costs of opening a Bank Account with multiple locations. I just did that with my
International Alumni association last year).
The Chair and I once agreed when we were designing the Membership Enrollment Form
(during Task Force Committee) that Identity Theft and related privacy is very important, and
that’s why members should not be asked to include their full birthdates. Why do we now turn
a deaf hear to our Treasurer who reportedly raised a concern about her privacy when she was
reportedly asked to send/mail her sensitive federal documents in order to be added as a Bank
signatory? Wasn’t that a valid concern that the Board members could respectfully address in
her favor? And don’t get me wrong, anyone could intercept these documents!
Have we asked ourselves why only 4 or so out of the 18 people who pledged have
honored their promises? Couldn’t it be due to the growing mistrust because of these cloudy
defensive explanations given by the Board? (I did not attend the Convention because I had an
overlapping Conference, and therefore I did not get a chance to make a pledge towards the
legal fee. I am arranging to make my contribution, but with all these confusion, one could be
led to think that members are holding back because of these explanations that seem rather
forceful for people especially to some of us who have had the chance to work in many
modern organizations. Isn’t it supposed to be (through) the Treasurer that the Board should
report to us the Accounting Reports (whatever they call it)?
And finally, I think we have passed that stage of heaping praises (sometimes called “love-bombing”)
when nothing developmental is on the ground (other than playing defensive games or acting as seals that
we have continued to see). That flattery stopped back in the days of software development, website, and
member fee collection, etc- when we wanted to lure as many members as possible. Let’s now reserve
praises for occasions when we have real things on the ground!
Respectfully,
Caesar Ogole
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The response from the Board was approved by ALL the other 8 members of the Board by 6:20 p.m.,
Saturday August 31, 2013. The Treasurer of course did not approve it for obvious reasons.
I have addressed all the questions and concerns related to this issue. Unless there is anything new to add, I will not be discussing
this any further. We have other important issues to address.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Florence,
As a leader, there are certain ways or words that you should be very careful in using or not.
You should know we entrusted you to lead which requires you to relentlessly explain to the
minutest detail to all members any issue raised and timely.
I feel betrayed and disappointed with your response and the words you are using. Such arrogance
is not required of a good leader.
I would want you to withdraw what you have said about not responding anymore to any issue
unless it a new one.
My request has not been acted upon yet and you want to close it up.
Am a member as well as a founder and would like to know the financial records.
This is an association which belong to us all and we must be transparent and cautious as much as
possible to protect our individual dignity and the association's.
Patrick O. O.
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To LAONA members,
Please find attached LAONA Bank statements from March 2013 (when the account was
opened) to August 30, 2013. You will notice that the only time that the account was
credited in the amount of $594.25, was in June to pay for LAONA T-Shirts and
Hats which were sold to members. The sale of these merchandise brought in a gross
amount of $857.09. This means the sale of merchandise raised $265.85 for LAONA.
That entire gross amount was deposited back into the account in early August 2013.
The lumpsome deposit in August included money from the sale of T-Shirts, Hats, and
membership fees. I also need to add that the delay in depositing that amount back into
the account was because the Chair was away immediatey after the conference.
Please let me know if you have questions regarding the statements.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Dear Secretary,
This is the right thing to do without much ado. I am glad that Patrick's response was finally
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granted.
LikeI said before, we are all going through a learning process; sometimes it may takea while but
at other times its easy. Such actions are always there, and the best that the Board can do is just
oblige and honor our esteemed members.
I beleive we can all now move forward with the task ahead of us God Willing! (Insha Allah)!
I would suggest that the next move in the Board should now be to effectualize operations
begining with creating committees to address some of the issues bogging down tha organization.
These committee will go along way to help in functionalising the organization in a manner that is
befitting to the call.
Thank you,
Ben Wacha
(Member)
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LAONA members,
Last week I reported to the members that the Banking issue which the Treasurer had brought forward to
the members had already been resolved by the Board of Directors and it was determined that the way
forward was for the Treasurer to be added as a signatory to the existing bank account for her to have full
access to perform banking duties. The Chair had provided a list of documents that the Treasurer needed
to make avalable to the bank to move this process forward - these documents would be required of
anyone who needs to be added as a signatoy or anyone opening a new bank account.
The attached document outlines what the Treasurer needs to do now as she had expressed concerns
about passing on her documents to the bank through other people.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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August 4, 2013
Mme Secretary,
Good news! The Treasurer does not even have to travel to Missouri with her particulars to be added to
the account. Secondly, she does not have to go through me for that purpose.
Following is a list of the requirements she has to provide the Bank via the regular mail and the bank will
call her to verify the information:-
1) A copy of her driver's license OR Front page of her Passport OR State ID.
2) Social Security Number
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3) Phone Number
4) Current Address
5) Employer/Job Title
XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
CENTRAL BANK
P.O. BOX 4500
JEFFERSON CITY, MO 65102
Tel. 573-634-1130
Fax: 573-634-4535
If she has questions, she can call the bank and ask to speak with a Customer Service Representative.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
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ATTACHMENT [ Or:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/LaonaHoldMusic/TotheBoardoDirectorsandBoardMembersTreasurerrespon
se.pdf ]
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Dear Members,
It is actually quite disturbing to see two very different responses from two officers of the same bank! As I
said before, we need to move on. This issue has been quite consuming to the extent that it has taken on
a very personal tone especially behind the scenes. The Board of Directors need to move forward with the
agenda that they had planned. But this cannot happen as long as this bank issue is unresolved.
I will therefore ask the Board of Directors tonight to immediately consider opening a new bank account
with a Bank that has branches across the country.This issue has to come to an end. There are a lot of
other important things within the association that deserve just as much attention.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Its unfortunate that we are still on the issue of the bank accounts; reasons known to one person. At this time it will be
better to open LAONA account with another bank. The account right now is with a local bank serving the neighborhood
community in MO.
Thank you.
Betty O'Dero
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Members,
It was much ado about nothing. I only wish human could realize that you its is much much more difficult
to be entrusted with public, as opposed to private, responsibility.
We cannot run a public trust like we would our own trust because the two calls are inextricably
different.
But be it as it may, I still pray that wisdom be granted to the men and women we have entrusted with
this task.
Opak wunnu Rwot naka naka ba!
Ben Wacha.
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Dear Members,
This is just to provide a quick update to the banking issue. The Board of Directors unanimously decided to
open a new LAONA Bank Account as soon as possible. Once the new account is set up, a direct bank-to-
bank money transfer will be made from the current account to the new account and the existing account
will be closed. The Treasurer is currently looking at available banking options for the new account.
Information about the new account will be provided to the members as soon as it is available.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Good Progress...!
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Good progress! There must have been a issue why the chairman did not hand over the office to
the Treasurer,
best known to him/them. Give him/board opportunity to sort it out. However, the Treasurer is a
very straight fwd person, motivated
to see that the next generation embraces LAONA!
About banking there is online banking all over United States, when The treasurer is a signatory
she can managed, view and
Bank at her convenient, same apply to every signatory of LAONA. We trusted you guys with
this little beginning! What will
happen when God enlarge your account? Why take all this time when every officer took up their
position immediately?
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In my opinion, there is something you guys are not telling us about the Treasurer not taking her
office immediately as the rest
of the officers up to now? This can be "stressful with all these communication on one issue ."
Since June? Is it Trust? or culture?
For the account to be open in every city in US you Chairman have to hand the copy of the
LAONA ASSOCIATION
501(C) DOCUMENT TO THE TREASURER IN ORDER FOR HER TO OPEN THE
ACCOUNT IN PA OTHERWISE IF YOU
USE ONLY THE APPROVAL LETTER IT WILL ATTACH BANK CHARGES IN OTHER
STATES! because it will be considered
business banking. You board members are knowledgeable and aware, of this protocol. I though I
should speak out. This is
stressful. Good bye.
Hellen
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> Here are some pictures which I received from my Aunt Gloria in Kampala. She is retired &
lives at Munyonyo (originally from Atlanta, GA). The backyard of her house is Lake Victoria,
which is pictured :) Auntie is in the picture of the cakes, she's standing between the boys.
Lawrence is the boy to the right with the striped shirt. The part took place last month.
> She looks after many children, including Lawrence who is going to Aptech school with a goal
of becoming a computer programmer then coming to America. It's so nice to get money as an
issue out of the way- that's one of the reasons that my Auntie is one of my top mentors! As
super educated as she is (she has 2 Ph.Ds) - she is very coachable and willing to explore new
avenues & possibilities. I have, of course, done plenty of 5LINX biz with her! One of my next
projects, of course, is to close on a house next to hers - hence we'll be neighbors (on a part-
time basis). Praise God for that!
>
> Regards,
>
> Edisa
>
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Thanks Edisa ! What's Aunt Gloria's full name? I am interested in reading some of her academic
peer reviewed publications and PhD theses (which must be available through Google Scholar.
Thats the metric used in academia to gauge 'super education'). When you google 'Caesar
Ogole', you will see a few samples. Try to find out what an 'h-index' stands for and compare with
that of highly educated people (professor, etc) you know of.
Also from google scholar, compare the total number of citations for the academic publications
between any highly educated people you know of. These are the main things that make
academic researchers proud and uncoachable. They feel they have achieved a lot by
contributing to the body of knowledge. That their works/names are cited by other ultra educated
people around the world is why other things (big money, etc) seem not a big thing to them -
making them seem uncoachable. In fact, they use their spare time for writing proposals for
grants from NSF, NASA, NIH, etc. - and winning such competitive grants is big prestige among
fine-grained academicians. That's also where they make extra money in addition to their regular
salary. The rule of thumb among academic researchers (professors, etc) is 'publish or perish!'
That's why any highly educated person (PhD, etc) who remains in 'research' must have at least
a publication and you won't miss it in Google Scholar through some credible avenue (journal,
conference proceeding). Also related prestige is patents.
Caesar
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Caesar, you're hilarious! I must admit you had me going for a second.
Anyone who was highly educated before most people on the planet were born, plus coming
from a top Atlanta family has all the props they need. Yes, super educated indeed. Did I tell you
she's a personal friend of Mayor Andrew Young & the King family (Yolanda, Martin etc.) Trust
me on this, there is no way Google scholar could have all of the papers she has written,
especially the ones from back in the day - for so many reasons - starting with this one: because
that's not the purpose of Google scholar - it bills itself as providing a "broad search" - they
obviously use this type of language to cover themselves legally (to avoid frivolous litigation etc.)
and I bet you in their terms and conditions they spell out its scope and span. Just to bore you
with more legal technicalities, when in doubt, Google Scholar will be governed by Google Inc.'s
terms and conditions, since that is the parent company. This is how they cover their
shortcomings. Also there are many groups that detail Google scholars' limits in many academic
disciplines - i.e. they just don't have access to the university databases and various repositories
where these treasure-trove of papers are! I know for a fact that it even will make you subscribe
to different entities to read certain texts/articles that you're looking for!
Another thing many people admire about my Auntie is her Education plus common sense! She
knew enough to get her PhD's in record time, have her clinical psychology practice going & still
make time to be a top mother (her son was a top gun at NASA in Houston & went to MIT with
my brother) and real estate investor. Real estate is where she made a fortune, truth be told.
The people that you mention (whoever they may be) can go ahead and stay uncoachable - that
just means that they will stay with the 97% of the population & out of my way and out of the way
of my fellow entrepreneurs moving to the 3% slot. I don't see too many of these uncoachable
academics on Forbes' list, which are the people I follow.
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Most important of all is the fact that as a person of great financial means, Auntie Gloria is able to
bless many poor people in Uganda as she has in America. She has sent children to primary and
secondary schools and even sent one kid to law school in South Africa. She has funded
weddings, bought vehicles for people - the list of her philanthropy goes on and on! That to me,
is one of the top reasons to have a fortune - to be able to use it to fund those with few
resources! She also was married to a westerner (Omunyankole) and is still respected by the
inlaws and authorities running the country - hey, her son, my cousin is from their area-
Bushenyi, Ankole.
I can answer any more of your questions via the good ole phone!
Best,
Edisa
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You have made me know other people (through pics) before I know you! Share with me some of
your own pics (high resolution as well). -:)
You can see me here at our Alumni get-together in NYC last year...
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?
fbid=101505782671&set=a.10150527029187671.375326.163473157670&type=1&theater
Regards,
Caesar
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Ok - I received your pledge to help our Brother Charles Owot out by trying one of his services.
It will only take 15 to 20 minutes to do this (about the time it takes to search through pictures
and attach them to an email!).
My commitment is to create 10 Langi millionaires - if more spring up it's gravy, but 10 is the
number. This is one of the first steps for Charles. The others are moving along nicely!
www.5linx.net/cuttingedge1
Edisa
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Thanks...
Caesar
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Really?
" it was very unprofessional, disrespectful, disdainful, and out right patronizing" and "it
was condescending for the Board, to say the least, to grossly abuse the trust of the
members who meant well for the Association and turn around suggest that they knew
the interest, and security, of these esteemed Langi bets." Really!
Come on, let us be very careful with our choice of words, let us be adults that we are!
This Board has NEVER been condescending to the membership or to anyone. Let us
not say things to score cheap political points! This is counter productive to what LAONA
stands for. Let us remember, the old adage still applies...if you live in a glass house...
Let us be very careful with the stones we have in our hands.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Wacha,
You seem to be more active from outside the board membership than when you were one of us.
You didn't have to resign, please allow those who have decided to donate their time, money and
efforts to the association a chance to do something for our community. Most off all respect is a
basic honorable thing to give.
Apwoyo
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Hon Charles
Thank you for your observations
God bless
Tom.
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This blank page is used to depict that the next contribution is from a [new] member, who has only
partial knowledge or no prior knowledge (at all) of “common knowledge” of every major development
that [had] occured before this date. This assumption is sound unless the new member can prove it
otherwise. The first impression thus counts. [“Every major development before this date”, in this
context, means from November 2012.].
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Ben,
I agree with Emer on this one. I think this time you have hit below the belt. I respect you
and will treat it as a slip of tongue?
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Margaret
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I believe Ben is writing what he has witnessed while a board member and what he has seen out
there over the past few weeks. We may not agree with all that he just spelled out, but there is
some truth to it and I find his statement in line with what has been transpiring.
Thank you,
Sarah, Alobo
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First I want to thank all who have bothered to respond to my posting.
That said, but one of the most important challenges that has ever existed in man is
accepting positive criticism. Positive criticism is one of those human characteristics that
usually comes as an after-thought. Forget the fact that the will to even accept that it
exists is in itself quite challenging. One has to really be mentally attuned to the fact that
acknowledging its existence is deeply buried in our being ready to self critique.
Pardon me for that opening, but annoying altruism; I don't mean to shut you out. Let me
quote from our constitution;
Article 6; Section 1: Assuming duties. And it reads- After the elections, new officers
shall assume their respective office and duties with immediate effect.
Brother Emer,
with due respect I respect both you in person, and your opinion, or observation about
my activity. Now with the
above official quotation from our constitution:
1- I wonder why you conjure that I am being an activist from the outside; as opposed to
when I was still a member of the Board.
2- I think my full rights as a member of this great and esteemed community of Lango
allows me to make a learned and informed observation about OUR own dear Sarah
who was dully elected as our Treasurer;
3- That her rights were violated when she was not allowed to assume her respective
office (read, functions) immediately as the constitution stipulated.
4- I was informed through unofficial sources that, it was categorically stated in a recent
Board meeting that, the Chair feared she would disappear with the money, and so ("he
felt it safe to hold on the funds." My words); Why for goodness' sake would we treat our
citizen like that?
5- By the same constitution, it was the duty of the Board, to ensure that the constitution
was not abrogated, and that she was first given the full functions of the office above
anything else; (and then if there are any technicalities or other business pertaining to it,
then it would discussed later without any prejudice.
6- If the rights of any citizen of Lango is violated, or "abused", it is the task that the
Board has assumed to protect and restore such rights. Sarah had to fight single
handedly for this restoration. This was wrong and a gross violation of our understanding
as stipulated in the constitution.
Emer, if I am wrong, pardon me. But I stood in acknowledging that a citizen's rights
were violated, woe be unto you, for attempting to shut me down. In deed I didn't have to
resign to do this. I am a fearless citizen and I say it as its is. But that I have got the
benefit of having been inside the Board, and now outside, my Sister Sarah, was right, I
have the full benefits of this situation.
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This speaks to my Sister Hon. Florence assertion that I am doing this in search of
"cheap politics". YES, Florence, it is cheap politics indeed, and not worthy of my
intercourse. I do not handle cheap Politics.
Hon Florence,
You may recall, when I was still a member of the Board, I for one fought so had for your
rights, and function, as Secretary to this esteemed Organization, to be given your due
as the Secretary. Especially I emphasized to the Chair the need for him to not confuse
between a Secretary (copy Typist) and this Secretary (Corporate Secretary). You were
the latter. I could not hammer enough that you should not only be given your due, but
respect and dignity as the person who makes things happen in this organization. You
remember when I was talking about the need for an emergency meeting (Article 7;
Section 2 - on Special meeting; and Section 3- on emergency meeting) so that
schedules of duties should be discussed. It was deathly quite in the Board room. As a
member I just made myself known and what I thought was the right thing to do. No
malice intended.
I referred to Article 7; Section 5.1 on Association member special meetings if need be
for some kind of activity.
These are solid and genuine concerns every member of the constitution must acquaint
themselves with. No cheap politics here Hon. Secretary.
And this brings me to the point of OUTRIGHT lack of guts to swallow "Positive
Criticism". This is not an anathema. Come on members, I am a Lango, and therefore,
enjoy the full benefits and privileges in this Association. It is my indisputable duty to call
our House to order if things are not right. I am not ashamed, or deluded to think
otherwise. My rights makes me call a spade a spade if any member is stepping all over
another member. I take our citizenship in this community very seriously. It is the attempt
to exercise my privileges and rights, without reverting to abuse or disrespecting
members that addressed the gross abuse and disrespect Sarah was subjected to. No
one, no body, took it to rebuke that treatment, or declare it unacceptable in this
organization. And I emphasize here that you have not heard enough from me yet,
especially in defending the rights of our citizens as stipulated by our own constitution.
Call it cheap politics, but how do we qualify an organization that stands true to its creed
and honour!
Hon Amego Margaret, thank you for the respect. I respect you too, very much I may
add. But here, a wrong was committed against a Sister unduly. I just took note of it, and
thanked Florence for pushing us on, and I acknowledged that, and called on members
to move as the new pace had been set. I am still calling here, that let us march forward.
Its time to move one. But we cannot miss to acknowledge a reality. The Chair has been
AWOL in all these. He must be the "Awitong" of this clan here in North America. I urge
him not be an arm-chair Chair.
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Mr Wacha,
Thanks for your wise and intelligent views and observation. I don't want to elaborate much on
our leaders. But there are a lot more wanting in our leaders.
Was termed disrespectful for asking certain question and instead of the leader handling my
concern, he told me not to ever email him again and he would do likewise. But I still see him
sending me email.
Am so so dissatisfied with some of the leaders we have elected. Most of them don't know their
roles and what is expected of them.
Patrick O. O.
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Patrick,
Thank you vey much.
You see one thing about me is that I have been in this thing ever since its beginning; I have a
very good concept of what we started out to build. I have no illusions about what we set out
to achieve. So I am ready to drag anyone of them to mud if need be. The fact is if they are not
ready they better not accept any office.
Fact is that I am BAD, BAD; and I have no fear for any leader who takes an oath to uphold and
defend our constitution and then turn around and think we are toilet paper. I just have no patience
for them because I have never known that unbecoming behavior.
So let all be warned, I can work with all very well if they are serious; but I can cut to pieces if
they take me for granted.
The battle continues
.
Wacha.
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Fellow members,
It is perfectly OK to be skeptical about the communications from the Chair, or the Board for that
matter- because no member elected another in order to be misled. As simple as that -as long as
we maintain that certain level of respect – I have to add. (See the reason and benefits of being
skeptical below- Appendix)
Hon Chair,
Most times, people ask questions not because they are malicious. So I implore you to keep
responding to questions clearly and truthfully. To address your fear, we (members) will not allow
any fellow member to keep making posts that undermine the leadership – be rest-assured. If we
gauge that a fellow member’s post is intended only to distract or undermine, we (members) will
also tell that member to “stop it!”. Up to this point, we haven’t witnessed anything of that nature.
“While we will address any concerns that the members may have, the Board of Directors and I
will focus our main attention on the important work that we need to do for moving this
association forward.”
In the sober minds of members, we are asking: what is this important thing that the Chair has
always been focusing on, and yet we do not see the progress reports, let alone any plan on paper
for whatever developmental things that the Chair (and/or the Board) is focusing on? Why do you
keep these “great, wonderful plans” in your mind or inside a highly guarded brief case, in stead
of sharing it on papers – at least with fellow Board members – if not [with] the regular (ordinary)
members? This is members’ association.
In asking these questions, the intentions of members (and I bet your fellow Hon. Board
members) are not to undermine or distract you from focusing on the important things. They are
not being malicious! They are just baffled that nothing is coming out of you, yet they think the
Chair is a person of great potential (just like most of our members)! I once had to counsel one of
the fellow members, by saying - “don’t rush to conclusions. The Prof could be cooking some big
ideas in his mind. Let’s be patient! He might launch it soon!” The question now is, when is he
(and the Board) launching those great initiatives, or its plans – at the very least? For how long
do we wait and say “enough is enough!”? Bear in mind that it is not only a matter of asking
questions. We (the members - Board members inclusive) have the instruments to take other
appropriate actions, including recalls of the elected officers!
1. Also related to skepticism, we (the members) just forgave and decided not to proceed with
asking questions of who was fooling who in the recent “Bank Account” Issue. Which of the two
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“Bank Officers” provided us with the incorrect information that almost led to cleavage in our
beloved association. We wanted to trace the origin of that uncalled for sparkle of fire back to the
root cause (i.e who lied?), but – since this is one of the major events of such nature, the members
decided to let it pass. We hope we don’t get to experience such a thing again.
Let’s not kill creativity and critical thinking among our members by discouraging questions or
input of divergent nature, otherwise our association will turn to be one where members don’t
think at all. And that’s not fun anymore. The last thing we want to hear is formation of LAONA
II where people think more critically and are happier... you know! Money is not everything – so
let’s not make it our pinnacle. Happiness first! Utmost transparency and honesty will create that
happiness.
Appendix: (I will gladly share a section of this book someone handed to me as I travelled
recently).
Chapter 1 of the Book “Exuberant Skepticism” by Paul Kurtz (edited by John Shook)
What is Skepticism?
Skepticism has historic roots in the classical philosophical tradition. The term derives from the
Greek word skeptikos, which means “to consider, examine”. It is akin to the Greek skepsis,
which means “enquiry” and “doubt”. Succinctly stated, a skeptic is one who is willing to
question any claim to truth, asking for clarity in definition, consistency in logic, and adequacy of
evidence. The use of skepticism is thus an essential scientific inquiry and the search for reliable
knowledge.
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communications. Oftentimes, there is not any communication relevant to the members to share
despite the much of what’s happening among the Board members. You will be surprised how
much time the Chair and the Board members spend in fighting to protect and defend the public
image of our Association from the deliberate and, yes, malicious actions of a few of our
detractors from both inside and outside our Organization.
Giving you the benefits of the doubts, I am surprised to hear you say that “up to this point, we
haven’t witnessed anything of that nature.” Really, where have you been?
Whatever may be the case, I hope you will keep your promise that “If we gauge that a fellow
member’s post is intended only to distract or undermine, we (members) will also tell that
member to “stop it!” Amen!
Finally, there is little to gain from the use of threats to get cooperation from other people,
including the Chair, the Board or the members of our Association. We must earn the respect of
one another. We are all in this Association together. We chose to come together to celebrate
our cultural heritage in the Diaspora. We just need to be a little more civil the way we treat one
another; perhaps living by the golden rule. “Therefore, do to others what you would want others
to do to you”
I look forward to your continued support of our effort to build a more perfect Association for
ourselves and the future generations in North America.
Sincerely,
Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
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Professor Omara, an akuro adong ka i ol bala gweno eka an ate donyo ilek (if I must). Pi en
anwongo ni yin di wii moro tye! Aco ka pe, an amiyo jo akwanyi oko i office – abongo balo kare!
I gave you ample time – hoping you would change (by discarding) your old obnoxious habits,
but I am surprised nothing hasn’t changed since!
My answer is that, “I have been away, hoping I would come back to find you a different leader
…”.
1. You have been my friend, and there is nothing personal between you and me. Except that
your way of doing things is just for aliens (to me) – and LAONA cannot move forward with that
kind of leadership. I vocally trashed other people’s versions of (copy and paste) Constitution in
favor of your draft at that time (Jan 2013). I was the very first and the only person to
comprehensively review your draft Constitution in January (ATTACHED), making you gain
credibility almost from nowhere! One of the questions I asked in January was (my question in
red. Your response in purple):
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Answer: “That very day of the election” though the handing over
exercise may take a few days to complete following the election – Omara
Alwala (Jan 23)
Now, as if you forgot everything, you are making old and new members “fight” and you are
keeping (silent) in the background – perhaps using some sycophants to incite people into
antagonism (by spreading incorrect information)– and you go ahead and coin the word “enemy”!
You knew the Treasurer had to assume office immediately since January!
“Finally, there is little to gain from the use of threats to get cooperation from other people,
including the Chair, the Board or the members of our Association.
The truth is that it is you who has been trying to use that “bully and threat” method to try to make
people comply with your “rules”. Or it was an ill-conceived (or ill-advised) idea that you could
dominate Lango in NA through contemptuous treatment! (Fiasco!) What I have been doing,
instead, was to remind the Board that they have to perform. In fact, although I used the word
“Board” a lot of times, I was euphemistically referring to the Chair! That’s not a threat; it is a
warning, because the Constitution allows members to recall any Board member, anytime
(Article 9: Section 2).
Section 2: Recall: The Association voters may recall any member of the
Board of Directors with the signatures of at least sixty percent (60%) of the
qualified voters on a petition presented to the Board of Directors. The Board
of Directors shall call a meeting to consider the recall of the named official
within sixty (60) days of receipt of such a petition. Removal of the official
shall require a majority of the voters’ vote in favor of the recall. No official
may be subjected to recall proceedings more than once in the course of his
or her term. If the Board fails to call a special meeting to consider the recall,
the Association membership may hold an Association membership meeting
to conduct such business.
(i) I must add that there is a lot to gain, because that threat (as you
call it) will remind you that you have the option of changing for the better –
or resigning honorably.
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(ii) It will not be the end of the road for you if you resign, because, after
all you are an elder. We could take you as advisor, if your ideas “qualify”.
Mzee [] needs company, after all! And there is a lot to gain because the
association will move forward faster, and happily. Now you have nothing to
report to members! Not even a sketch! We may get some money in the
future (through something you are scheming), but for now - get us some
sketch for something! it doesn't have to be about money!
You should be giving yourself this wonderful piece of advice. I command respect here and
outside... you know that better than anyone else!
We are all in this Association together. We chose to come together to celebrate our cultural
heritage in the Diaspora. We just need to be a little more civil the way we treat one another;
perhaps living by the golden rule. “Therefore, do to others what you would want others to do to
you”
I was the first to use that phrase "we are all in this together" during the Interim Committee
regime when you (yourself) brought about that justification for Robert's Rule. I particular used
that very exact phrase when I was responding to Mr. Tom Opito who had complained that some
members were excluded from the survey that led to choosing the name "LAONA" (Feb 4). I
(being the pollster then) told Opito I didn't know everyone (then) so it was upon him to forward
the emails to other members because "we are all in this association together"! Now you are
copying me without referencing me! Professor…!
Secondly, it was me (again) who first told/advised you about the “Golden Rule” in my
software Report (May 23, 2013). It was because you continuously kept on distracting the Interim
Committee of which I was part. You were also part of the Committee for a short time, but you
could not abide by the rules, so you decided to “quit”. (In my modified “Software Report”,
attached – you can find the golden rule on page 101. Again, now you are copying me without
referencing me!
It bothers me that you are now starting to follow (by regurgitating exactly) what I said long
time ago...
- But, bear in mind that I am not interested in being in (leadership) position. Neither do I
want gain in monetary or other personal ways. Let it not worry you that my criticisms are solely
intended to bring you down.
- Of course you should know it better since I turned down your repeated requests for me to be
the vice chair just before the convention. Florence (who was my "colleague" back in the days)
and others know this. I am not interested in position, because i have many other positions
elsewhere I am occupying at this time. My contributions as a member is simply to help us move
forward... They are just opinions- so I care less whether my ideas are taken or not taken.
- - Or my contributions are technology (that you feared would jeopardize your plan to gain
control), but I will launch it at some point, as I said before.
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You: I look forward to your continued support of our effort to build a more perfect Association for
ourselves and the future generations in North America.
- Yes - If you can declare that you will change, and you can live to the word – and follow it
to the letter, I will support you.
- Otherwise, I won’t waste my time on this one. Good luck to those who are supporting
you in your causes. I am continuing to build the next generation technology tool
(ATTACHED) that will bring ALL THE LANGO – YOUNG AND OLD – INCLUDING
“ENEMIES” TOGETHER! See it attached. I will launch it at an opportune moment.
- You wanted to “personally endorse” the “software” yourself yet you cannot even install
SKYPE. Professor, gin i kwiya tyeki yen! Stick to Agriculture (rearing shrimps – or
aquaculture)- and leave other things to people who know it better! Leadership too, perhaps!
Of course I till respect you as any other member of the Board, but I hope I have made myself
clear – also to the benefit of others.
Your email responses typically end with “Finally…” and you shamelessly go ahead to unleash
twisted information, but you should by now know that Caesar Ogole will not let you go scot-free!
I LOVE EGO-TRIPS! BUT BEWARE, BECAUSE YOUR LEGACY IS ON THE LINE!
Regards,
Caesar
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Caesar,
You promised me that you were not going to be participating in this type of attack
anymore. What happened! This is very exhausting! I will call you tomorrow.
Florence
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Dear Mr Ogole,
I have read your disgraceful email. I have never met you and do not know how you and the
Chairman know each other. I donnot want to be witness to any more disrespect amongst adult
Langi or indeed any more of this kind of emails. Please kindly remove me for your mailing list
and donnot copy me any such emails.
Thank you and best regards
Charles Emer
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as much advice to each other as possible, including board members. The best way, I would
suggest is for an intervention in times like this; and the intervention should not be more fuel into
the fire. I like the way you decided to interject; however, my problem is that your interjection
was one sided and not in favour of the Ceaser. Please interject with an understanding that there
are outstanding issues here, and members need redress. Cutting your name off the mailing list is
not the issue; because you have the power and control of cutting yourself off.
The issues that Ceaser has raised still stands and needs to be addressed by a cool headed Board.
Ceaser is a member of this association and has concerns, whether we like them to hear them or
not. Reacting as if this is not a civil society is not going to address some of the issues that Ceaser,
and a few other members, again, including the Board, have with the Chair. I think you can be of
vital mportnce if you turned your intervention into a tool to foster understanding and coolness of
professionalism and address the issues raised by Ceaser.
Again, instructing people who have raised issues that are not to your taste, to remove you from
their mailing list does not auger well with the purpose of this association. In fact it defeats the
real purpose of this association. Why don't we exercise some diligence, and resourcefull purpose
in all these and build LAONA. Each one of us has in us, as a matter of rights, to pursue learning
and understanding. We all deserve to be treated as such. This wanton behavior of "Take it or
Leave it" in a social, and cultural (I may add) association like ours smacks of ridicule, and
disrespect for the community for which it was initiated to serve.
Hon Member Emer, you do not have to know anybody (read member) by face or physically n
order to serve them as is the case here in LAONA. Every Lango who has subscribed membership
in this association deserves to be served when they call. All you need to know, as it is now, is
that someone is a subscribed member or not, but belongs to the community for which the
association was born. You have been elected as a board member, not "ating gulu kongo lango',
please act as such for some kind of sanity in this. Mr. Chair can answer the call for himself, he is
not a King to have you as his body guard, he must be accessible to all members at all times.
Some of the questions raised may not be sexy, but they are real issues in this situation. Please
exercise due diligence nd professionalism in addressing some of these issues. Our tasks in
in association are stiil work 'In Progress'. We are not there yet. By far. So let us keep our cool
and tye up all the nitty-gritty of such a daunting task.
If I may, Hon Emer, this is one example of the call for us to put up the respective committees to
address some of these issues that keep cropping up. We are spending too much unnecessary time
tending to guard a Chair who is a grown up man and can take care of his own business whether
in having shortcomings in his administrative style, or excellence in participating in forming
LAONA. So please help the needy.
My two cents there,
Benjamin Wacha.
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Bro Caesar, this is why in our house as LAONA we are very blessed with sober voices like you whose
presence in our midst, as a true no nonsense Jedi, is indeed a welcomed illumination. The real challenge
for all of us is rising to the call of helping to position LAONA as a conduit for excellence in championing
the needs of our people in North America.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo
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Absolutely Hudson! When you understand things from the first principles like you do, then you
know why we need to be helping push it this way! Not everybody gets it! Some of the facts is
getting distorted in unbecoming ways- causing what we started to get stagnant.
Thanks!
Caeasar
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Mr. Emer,
My sincere advice to you is, don't try too hard to be noticed! Here, our culture since time
immemorial is to respect everyone - whether you are new or old - young or old, etc. So, you
should know that you have everybody's respect, including that from members who have not met
you in person. Again, don't try too hard.
The point you are missing from my communication is "facts and evidence". Yes, my email
presents disgraceful facts and evidence - and that's the reason I am advocating for it to change.
Now or Never.
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I beg you to take Ben's words very seriously for your own benefit - to the benefit of the
association. There is no such concept here as "Ating gulu...".
And there is something you seem not to understand very well. The association is not about
paying 50 or 60 dollars and donating 200 dollars. We have done that many times before. There
are so many other hurdles - the reason it took all these long (over 40 years) to form. Read Part 1
of the 151 page document that I shared with you earlier. Some of us already have the bird's eye
view of the association challenges - but I'm glad you are now championing preaching the basic
respect (which, in fact, is helping revive your image - especially given the terrible first
impressions that everyone saw). We started by doing the same.
Attached is the discussion I had about "Founding Membership" with Prof Omara, back in
the days. We knew we would continue to have this roller coaster experience - so I am not moved
in a way. The Chair seemed to have started swaying in the wrong direction unfortunately -
perhaps due to poor pieces of advice (from some people).
Your request to be removed from the mailing list is not a new concept. Back in the says, Prof.
Dr. Gloria Ameny Dixon made the same request - to be removed from the list. Later, after the
"disgraceful behavior" ameliorated, she bounced back to be the Secretary General of the Interim
Committee. We all command respect- except sometimes, we have to confront hard "disgraceful"
facts.
Thank you,
Caesar Ogole
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Ceaser,
I don't need to be noticed matter of fact on the contrary I prefer less of it. I am already in the
limelight in much more important places including with many Heads of States and their
delegations. Further I am self sufficient financially, emotionally and socially, with enough
friends.
Thanks you
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Charles, that's what makes us (LAONA) proud! You bring in the much needed inspiration of
success (among others) to our association. If you don't mind , kindly share with members the tips
and paths to get to that height - at your free time. I'm sure we will use that blessing to elevate
other LAONA members - and beyond.
Thanks,
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Caesar
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Attachment: [ Or https://s3.amazonaws.com/LaonaHoldMusic/CaesarOgole.Ltr.pdf ]
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Find attached my Cease and Desist Demand letter to you in response to your previous “Cease
and Desist Demand” letter to me.
Thank you,
Caesar Ogole
Member, LAONA
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Dear Ceasar,
I am requesting you to kindly take it easy. Now you are charging like a wounded buffalo! There
is no need for us to begin thinking of legal action against a fellow Langi because of what has
been said in this forum. I believe you do not hate the good Professor, and there is indeed no need
to.
Most of us are aware of the contributions that you our elders have made to bring LAONA to the
level it is today and we all appreciate it. That is why we are proud of our sons and daughters in
North America.
Let us try to tone down whenever we may not agree with something someone else has said and
try to make this thing work. Of course differences are bound to occur a long the way, but let us
handle it calmly.
LAONA needs us all in it if it is to succeed. I also think that we Members should give these
leaders a chance, it is still too early to start counting the chicks.
Best regards to you all and I wish you all a restful weekend. Certainly the week has not been an
easy one.
Sam Omara
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Dear Sam,
Thank you for the counsel. I will treat your advice with serious consideration; In the worst case,
Thomas Jefferson will have to give back to Caesar what belongs to Caesar.
Caesar
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Brother Sam,
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With due respect, I believe that everybody in this organization loves it so much; and many have
so far acted accordingly.
However, I will be quick to add that the ball is really in Prof. Omara-Alwala's court. The burden
is on him to act as expected: Chair to LAONA.
You see, the Prof. has not acted in full faith while many people did not know. The Prof. has this
tendency of acting behind the scenes, and when you try to bring the issue he has been trying to
achieve "kakuyege' style, he throws you under the "Bus", and acts as if you are an unruly boy,
and are being disrespectful. Many examples are abound; but I will but just a few tacit ones.
You see, while we were busy consulting with all to found this organization, and preparing for the
inaugural, the Hon. Professor was going around promising people who cared to give him the
ear, positions in the Association all the way. And this included throwing away all the
other proposals to our constitution. While the debates were in the open, he continued to work
underground. And now, as things are beginning to show up, the Hon Chair decides to either go
silent, deliberately, or throw this threat about legal suites around.
One more example, remember we were trying so hard to debate about the proposals and merits
for LAONA to attend UNAA in Texas. The Hon. Prof fights so hard to silence that debate while
he was calling some members of the Association and telling them that he was, in fact, going
there on a fact finding mission. Then he makes this hilarious pronouncement about him attending
the convention at his own expenses; and so debate closed.
Well, without much ado, he goes to Texas, on a fact finding mission. The Hon Chair arrives in
Texas, and embarks on his real mission to Texas: searching for nomination into the UNAA
council. He did not hold any meetings to address LAONA issues with anybody, does not even
address the convention on anything concerning LAONA at all. In fact, the his trip had nothing to
do with LAONA at all as evidence would have it on his return. Nothing for LAONA to follow up
on at UNAA, or with any body. In fact, the lack of his representation of LAONA is clearly
evidenced in his so called "Report on his trip to UNAA". If you look at the report, which he
has so far failed to post here for the Association, does not contain anything actionable on
LAONA's part. He just mentioned in passing, that he was in Texas and focused on his success in
becoming nominated into the UNAA council for come region of the USA. He did not hint on
how LAONA was going to benefit from this nomination, let alone what strategy LAONA could
pursue in that regard, towards the end.
Brother Sam, what Ceaser is simply saying is that; the Chair has not be truthful, but, on the
contrary, continues to dig his head deeper and deeper into the ground forgetting that his tail is
only getting longer and higher in the process.
All the Chair has to do is come back home, engage the community in this great feat, and work
with all, truthfully anf faithfully, to build LAONA. But this idea to throwing all SH***T at
people just because somebody has raised the issue of his competence and work ethics is criminal
to warrant "Legal Action", is way below the waits. Kunu pe odwoko tuku iye; wanno joo.
Happy Weekend.
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Ben Wacha.
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Dear Ceasar,
Thank you for accepting to rest your case. That bit about Jefferson is a cracker though! And next
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In the last meeting, someone mentioned contacting either Unicef or some NGOs so that they may
assist children in Lango, what became of it?
Sam
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Brother Ben,
Thank you for your response. It is rather in-depth and it shows some frustrations too. I think such
pertinent issues when brought to the AGM can make it very lively. I agree with you on what you
think, but I suggest that we tag along and make this work.
Let us first strengthen the organization so that in future, even when we get a leader with
excessive weaknesses, the organization can survive. I want my son to grow up and find LAONA
still functional and much better. Like I mentioned early, our leaders are also people, they have
weaknesses. We have to find ways of making those weaknesses not cause the kind of friction
you talked about.
Ben, you can exercise some restraint sincerely, and we move forward. "Are You?"
Sam
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Dear Sam
Emer
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Brother Sam
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Elsewhere…
http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/647768-lango-chief-ready-to-offer-kony-land-to-resettle.html
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Good to know what is happening far away. Thank you for sharing Bro Alex!
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TD Bank is not a Nationwide Bank as you have been made to believe. It is a regional bank with
all of its branches located on the east coast of the USA. For details, find Attached.
Thank you,
Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
ATTACHMENT: [OR:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/LaonaHoldMusic/LAONATDBANKBRANCES.Ltr.pdf ]
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Mr. Chair, I got the two addresses to you from Google search. Declare me wrong after searching
on Google because that is the main purpose of sending me the email. Of course Google is not the
most reliable source for all information but dependable. After your discovery, what are you
trying to say now? Stay with a local community bank? let me know of your latest intentions
which are never unending. I am tired of this account issue, and I am asking you to let me know
what it is that you want? Alex and I are on the East coast. Florence will have access to mobile/
online banking. Your bank had none of this. Your only options at this point is to transfer the
money. If this is not what you want to do, then you will have to plead your case to the members.
I am not going to keep going back and forth with you regarding the account issue. You are a little
too late with your current research. Please do not pick another fight with me like you have
already picked with other members.
Thanks,
Sarah
Attachment 1 [ Or: https://s3.amazonaws.com/LaonaHoldMusic/NewaccountandEINdetails.pdf ]
Attachment 2 [ Or: https://s3.amazonaws.com/LaonaHoldMusic/scan0005.pdf ]
Attacment 3 [ Or: https://s3.amazonaws.com/LaonaHoldMusic/scan0006.pdf ]
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Mme Treasurer,
We have an obligation as the Officials and Members of the Board to insure that the information
we circulate in behalf of the Association is correct.
Thank you,
Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
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Mr. Chair, You are right and you have not been a model of circulating correct and honest
information to both the members and the board . I therefore, commend you on taking me down
on a path with every attempt to have me join you on board, especially with recent scrutiny from
other esteemed members. I wouldn't want to be self destructive nor would I want you to pick on
me especially when you have had a rough week. Sometimes, we have to start a battle that is
winnable otherwise the cost of war is very expensive. I wish you a peaceful weekend and I hope
you find clarity in all that is before us.
Mr. Chair, I want very much to only focus on my role as Treasurer. The rest can be taken
care of by others in the association.
Thank you
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
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Patrick O. O.
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Alex Atim
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Mr. Chair,
Back room deals has to stop if we want the association to grow and move forward, and that
begins with you, the Chair.
Thanks
Sarah, Alobo.
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Mr. Chair:
Whether or not TD Bank is in MO at this time we/the board members had already agreed to open
the account with TD Bank. So instead of wasting more time on one thing over and over, per
your email "you and the board members are working hard to move the association forward", etc
it should be what we are discussing now, the bank issue is behind us, and we are waiting for you
to transfere the LAONA money to the new account asap.
The truth is very helpful but, lies you have to continue to make more lies to cover the lies and
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Mr. Chair:
Thank you for checking the treasurer's information but right now, if the bank is not there what do
you want to do. I only know one answer, that in few days, the bank transfer from the small bank
in MO, where you are the only signatory to the account should be transferred to TD Bank.
Thank you
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Sorry I did not sign this email below. It was from me Betty O'Dero. Vice, LAONA
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Members,
Please be easy on the Chair. After all the Board had a meeting about this, and it was resolved that
the new account should be opened at TD Bank. I do not think there is the need for the yo-yoing
after the fact.
I call upon the Chair to respect the Board decision as the issue has already been disposed of. This
is getting more and more embarrassing if a decision is made and members of the same board
keep throwing tantrums around after the exercise.
Can the Board move on without off-loading dirty linen in public!!
Ben Wacha.
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Jo Lango, most of the best things in life requires team work and dedication. The latest surge in
uproar in this house is a very positive indicator of the level of high energy in our midst as a
blessed community. It's with pride thus that I take this opportunity to call upon all members to
use this powerful revelation with pride and great discretion.
Without mincing any words it's clear that our house is blessed with many capable sisters and
brothers with enormous unique qualities, capabilities and fantastic resources. Henceforth,
going forward, I call upon all members to exercise great restraint in discharging their God
given awesome blessings.
At this instant there are so many challenges in our community which are waiting for us to be
addressed. We can thus ill afford to be a divided or an ineffective house with endless beekering.
Since every member counts, we must all do our part to avoid causing a stampede in our house.
We'll all have no one but us to blame if we allow mayhem in our house.
As a community we have suffered for too long due abandonment or gross mismanagement.
It's hence up to us to chart a new course to constructively deal with our affairs and there is
simply no way of correcting these previous faults if LAONA is a divided house.
For those of us with the ability, just like any well endowed giant or super power, please let's use
our blessings very sparingly with the uttermost restraint while avoiding rumors innuendos
and kowtow. As a community let's use our blessings to be our brother's/sister's keeper.
As Jo Lango there are many doors just waiting wide open for us to walk through. It's impossible
for us to make any good use of our gifts and blessings as divided house. By working together
we will be in a better position to finally realize our full potential as a community without
leaving it all to chance or being at the mercy of some good sermaritan. We must never allow
negativity to define us as community. The only acceptable plausibility is putting our blessings
to productive use.
Respectfully,
Hudson Ayo
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PS. Individually we don't have all the answers. Together, without any doubt, we can still make
a quantum leap forward. Every voice in our midst counts and we are the driver of our
destiny.
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Hi Caesar,
I read your email and realized that there is so much you don't know (ignorance is not bliss!), let's
take it from the top:
To start, you mentioned a gentleman in your email named Omodi Engola who you styled as
"Mzee". This gentleman is my father and his name is Dr. Omodi Engola. He has never been
referred to as Mzee socially, as he is a Medical Doctor with Medical Degrees from 2 prestigious
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universities (one in Europe & one in the U.S.). People in Uganda from State House to the village
call him "Doctor", cross the board. Caesar, when I spoke to you some time back, you mentioned
that you hadn't finished your doctorate and you didn't seem to have a definitive graduation date,
so you're obviously not in a position to comment on the Doctor's
credentials/background/academic achievements.
Next, Dr. Engola sits on several well -known boards for which he is compensated. Again,
Caesar, in your delusion, you seem to think that the Doctor "needs company" - implying
something of a disparaging nature. Quite frankly, on your best day, you would not be invited to
partake in the meetings he sits on, high-end gatherings he attends, political fundraisers he's
invited to (as a donor) & various other sundry charitable high profile events. Yet he remains
humble! Not because he's my father, but even if he was a stranger, I would have a tremendous
amount of respect for Dr. Omodi Engola because of the activities that he's involved in and the
lives he continues to touch. As an example, here's a gentleman who sent all of his children to
college, was blessed to have all of us graduate and have 1 of his daughters (my kid sister)
graduate from Harvard University! (My kid brother graduated from M.I.T. & Stanford, which is
nothing to sneeze at either :) To this day, Dr. Omodi Engola financially supports impoverished
Lango children, and even makes anonymous donations to causes he believes in.
Case in point, you mentioned, Caesar, that you were born in the bush or at the roadside,
somewhere back in Lango. If Dr. Omodi Engola was there when your mother went into labor, he
would have delivered you in an efficient, professional manner and treated your mother to boot!
He has, by the way delivered many babies in Uganda, by the way, even though his specialties are
Pediatrics and Surgery.
I debated whether or not to share your email with my Godfather Lee from Houston, Texas whose
story I told you about. What I didn't mention is that his wife is the President of Uganda's cousin.
This couple has a tremendous amount of love and respect for my father, and would not be
pleased to know that his name was brought up in a circulated email in a feeble attempt to be
disparaging. This particular lady (my Godfather's wife) is pretty tough & would want to know
who is this "Caesar person", where is his family at home, where does he come from, etc. It's not
a good reflection on you at all. What I can say Caesar, is a quote from my favorite book, the
Bible: Proverbs 18:21
"The tongue has the power of life and death and those who love it will eat its fruit"
I'm not sure if you're a Christian or not, but if you are, you may want to pray on this scripture.
Lastly, you have mentioned that you are involved in a tech start-up. I actually have some good
friends, a Mr. Gunn and a Mr. Berger who started a tech company not too long ago, and then
subsequently sold a certain percentage of it down the road to NewsCorp which made them
instant millionaires! They reached out to many people for investments, including myself and
folks from my network. I say this to you to tell you that to properly set up and run a tech
company, you need investors. People do business with people they know, like and trust. Quite
frankly, you are not likable, and arguably unpleasant! I can't for the life of me see people who
would shower you with "big bucks" for your enterprise in your current state! Reputation is
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everything in business, and in your present state, again investors would read your emails
(concerning an African charity no less - aka "LAONA") and say wait a minute, if this guy can't
keep his cool over a little charity with no significant revenue stream, how could we trust him
with thousands or even millions of dollars when the real pressure is on, from the I.R.S., securities
regulators, patent office, legal issues etc. In addition, most investors are either older people with
money, or young or middle-aged people with older parents and relatives. They would not take it
too kindly to know that someone they're contemplating doing business with is contemptuous of
older people, simply by virtue of them being old and not participating in useless email drama! I
know that you like statistics, Caesar, do me a favor and look up the percentage of wealth in this
country that lies in the hands of adults 65 years and older! This is the population of potential
investors that you have now alienated!
As I close, I've said this to you before privately, and I'll say it to you publicly, my advice to you
is to seek "Personal Development" ASAP! I notice that you have a love of reading, here's a book
that my mentor, Mr. Barry Donalson (a self-made multimillionaire) recommended to me some
time ago. It's called: How to Win Friends & Influence People by Dale Carnegie. If you've read it
before, read it a second time and study its' timeless lessons. If you do so, I promise you, the
stress that you told me you're going through will disappear.
Regards,
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Thank you for the clarification! There is absolutely nothing here to warrant any fiery exchange.
If there is any LAONA member who has had many (and I mean many) and extremely long
telephone conversations (2 hours plus almost every instance) WITH ME since we LAONA
came together, it is YOU AND ME. And I enjoyed your warm and lively personality very much!
You sense of business acumen is above any person I have met lately, so I am very glad to be an
associate with you in one way or the way.
The only thing that didn't work between you and me is that your great business opportunity does
not meet my needs at this time. Although I had promised I would look into it, it turned out I have
so many things in the pipeline right now, so I appreciate that you accepted to defer it for future!
I would like to apologize if mention of "Mzee" was ambiguous. In fact, I used it in a very
positive light, TO MEAN A RESPECTED AND WISE ELDER, WHO IS AVAILABLE FOR
CONSULTATION EVEN THOUGH HE IS NOT AN ACTIVE CHAIR, ETC. Nothing less than
that! I have read the profile of his, I admire him very much. You had also told me so much about
him and your next of kins (just as you have described here in this email), and I have that great
respect for all - even though I haven't seen any of them in person. I am sure the rest of the
members will also be inspired by such information.
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All else about career pursuit is probably not something relevant, but as far as it comes to research
output, and the like - one does not already have to have doctorate to do what I said I did. People
can make discoveries, publish in high impact venues, and so on while "gradually" aiming for that
title- especially in this world where we have to do things "concurrently". So, that's what I meant.
And I said, in this world of information age, you can check that (and compare if you like) the
information on the Web!
Let's leave it at that Edisa. I will buy your business opportunity when I get a chance.
Accept my clairfication.
Regards,
Caesar
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Dear Edisa,
This man is not worthy mentioning my uncle Doctor Omodi's name alongside his in any forum.
Emer
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This is getting too personal now. I am sure Edisa has accepted the explanation and
the clarification from her LAONA brother Caesar, because she is a very understanding lady,
having known her during the inauguration.
Thanks
Sarah.
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Sarah,
Please speak fir yourself thx
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Mr Emer,
Find peace where there is one. No need to be emotional. I was simply hoping that my sister
Edisa was okay with the response she got because parents are off limits here. I was not speaking
to or for you. If you did not need a response then please send your message directly to Caesar.
Have a great week because I know that you are very busy with the UN general meeting.
Yours truly,
Sarah
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OCTOBER 2013
---------- Original message ----------
From: Atim Alex <atimalex@hotmail.com>
Date: Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:31 AM
Subject: RE: Lyrics of the Lango Anthem
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Dear LAONA Members,
See an attachment for the mp3 of Lango Anthem recording.
Thanks
Alex Atim
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Attachment:
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It is worthwhile to remember that it was indeed one of our sons of soil from Lango, Apollo
Milton Obote (RIP), who received as Prime Minister the instruments of government from the
colonial British Administration in behalf of the people of Uganda on this day fifty one years ago!
Jojok amalo,
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Masters in Journalism
Phone: +1-917-202-0195
Skype: araoameny
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Happy Thanksgiving!
For our brothers and sisters in the USA and the Friends in North America who may not know it,
Thanksgiving is celebrated on different days in Canada and the USA. Today Monday October
14th, 2013 is the Thanksgiving Day in Canada. BTW, today is also Columbus Day in the USA.
Jojok amalo,
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Opwoyo Matek,
(eng-lango in usage)
This is not the time for wars of any type but for
Sincerely,
Amego D. Here.
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Mr. Chair,
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Thank you for the good wishes! Much appreciated. Many times we forget to count our blessings.
We have, and I can go a step further and say I have a lot to be grateful for and that is what makes
this Thanksgiving very special.
Florence
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Happy Thanksgiving sis Florence and the entire Canada LAONA Colleagues!
This is a clear signal, the festive season is begun and, the year 2013 is gone!
Let's continue to count our blessings with thanksgiving even as we see many years of God's
favor, enjoying His Grace & Peace.
Dickson
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To all our Canadian brothers and sisters I take this opportunity to wish you all the very best
during this Thanksgiving.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo
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Thank you Hudson and members who have sent me best wishes privately. On behalf of the Lango in
Canada, I thank you all.
Florence
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Dear members, it would be really useful if we could all behave like the adults we are supposed to be. The
form was delayed coming to Canada. It arrived here late Friday last week, the Treasurer knew about that.
It was sent back to the Bank directly on Wednesday October 9, 2013 through express post Tracking
Numbers: EG016791885 CA . If you track this mail through this link
http://www.canadapost.ca/cpotools/apps/track/personal/findByTrackNumber?execution=e1s1
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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LAONA members,
It is my duty and responsibilities to report to all of you on anything regarding the
people's account, and if the secretary needs to dispute any content in my privious
communication then she needs to do so. Here is how I expect adults to conduct
themselves. Follow clear and pricise instructions which was to sign the form and send
them back to the treasurer and if one needed to do anything else, at the least inform the
treasurer of their intentions. The secretary never at any point mention to me that she
was going to send the document to the bank directly. About two weeks after Alex sent
the forms to the secretary, I still had not hard anything regarding receving the
documents not untill I had to send out an email to the board to find out. I got the
email response from the secretary stating that she would inform the board once she
mails out the document. This is the first time am aware that the form was mailed out. In
fact, I explored the option of each indidivual signitory to either fax or mail their signitures
directly but the bank informed me that all parties need to sign on the same form. Now,
the document is being sent to the bank with missing crutical information for Alex Atim,
which he was an adult enough to do what was expected of him, send me what the bank
needed.
Adults are expected to be honest, straight forward, say and do what they say they are
going to do, avoid being hipocritical and work for the people who have put them in a
position instead of running backroom deals to serve one individual's personal interest.
Enough of playing games and acting like children and trun around to expect people to
act like adults only when it is convinient. How are younger adults expected to behave
like when older adults can not be figured out, none the less, be real?
Thanks,
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
10-11-13
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I apologise that my message below was cut off- not sure what happened there. But it also
allows me to address some of the issues the Treasurer brought up.
1. Sending the documents directly to the bank. The package had copies of my government
issued documents. Not too long ago the Treasurer made a big deal about sending her papers to
Missouri because she was concerned about the safety /security of her documents. I had the
same concerns and the lady at the bank in Philadelphia asked me to send the documents
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directly to her. The Treasurer would be notified when the documents arrived and she would
take the other pieces of information with her to complete the new account process. I had no
problem with that, the bank did not have a problem with it. The document went directly to the
bank supervisor who is assisting the Treasurer with this process.
2. Instructions: It so happened that the instructions on the form were so unclear that it was
actually misleading. The bank form had highlighted sections where we were supposed to input
our information- not sure who highlighted the sections. However, the signature portion of the
form which was at the bottom of the page, was not highlighted which could have meant that
this information was not necessary. I took this form to the TD bank here in Canada which
actually happens to be the parent company of the TD banks in the USA. They are quite familiar
with this form and they informed me that the signature portion at the bottom is very important
because that serves as the signature card for the three signatories. If the signatures were not
provided, then it would mean that only the principal – who is the Treasurer, would be asked to
have her signature on the form and therefore would be the only one required to sign the
Association’s cheques, not all three signatories. So now the form has to go back to Alex in
Boston who was probably mislead by the highlighted sections and did not include his signature
at the bottom of the page.
3. The protocol for disbursements for most organizations also requires that all expenses
which are incurred as a result of carrying out business of the organization be paid for by cheque
only, signed off on by whatever number of signatories the association has in place. The cheque
is issued only after the expense is approved by the board. LAONA is no exception. This is the
only way to ensure that disbursements are fully accounted for, with a paper trail. This means
that no payment or withdrawals can be made through a debit card. The bank here advised that
there is no way they would allow a debit card to be used for withdrawals when there is more
than one signatory on the account. This will also apply in LAONA’s case. A debit card will not be
in use because there are three signatories to the account. The Treasurer had agreed to this. If
there is a reason why LAONA’s account needs debit withdrawals at this time, the Treasurer
should bring it up to the board first and then to the membership if she is not satisfied with the
board’s decision. Both Alex and I are comfortable as signatories without a debit withdrawal.
I am just putting all these information out here as points of clarification. Also as spokesperson
for the Board, I am required to provide as much information on issues as needed and this is all I
am doing. I am not trying to discredit anyone- it is not my style. Hopefully this bank account
issue gets resolved quickly. Everyone is really exhausted of the same and would just like to
move on. I have done my part. The document does not need to come back to Canada. I am also
not one to engage on a public forum. I will provide the members with any additional
information if requested. Otherwise this is it from me.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Florence,
1. I had zero problem with the secretary sending the document directly to the bank.
However, that was not what the secretary originally told me. She changed her mind and
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never informed me of her decision. All she needed to do was to tell me that she was
sending the documents directly to the bank so that I am aware instead of receiving a
surprise call from the bank. Additionally, I have in my possession, Alex's documents that
needed to go along with the signed form. I will be happy to follow up with the bank and
no worries on this regard. I had issues sending the chair my personal information
because I do not trust him with my documents and additionally, it wouldn't serve any
good to send my documents to him because the bank was not well equipped to add me
on as a signatory with full access to the account. If the secretary feel the same way,
then she should have the right to do whatever you sees fit, but please communicate,
like adults do.
2. I gave you and Alex a business card for the lady who helped me to open the
account and I said that if you have any questions regarding anything please call her. I
have nothing to do with form setup. Let us not use this as an excuse to justify the delay
of account activation, per haps, it is the last attempt with an end to nowhere.
3. Debit card was automatically issued upon opening an account. It belongs to LAONA
account. I do not have to go into details to pen down the benefits/advantages of having
a debit card for LAONA. I leave that to the members to decide. So far among the board
members, it is only Florence and the chair demanding for a debit card destruction
because they feel that I, as the treasurer must not have it in my possession, as
you may all know, they don't have trust in the treasurer, as they have given me
hell in this account issues. I am fully aware that all transactions on behalf of LAONA
has to be approved by the board and I do not need to be further educated on this. I
would request that the two officers stop dictating everything especially when it comes to
the Treasurer's office, I am tired and worn out of their unending demands on how to run
LAONA bank account before it even becomes activated.
It is a lot easier if only the secretary stop the blame game and do the needful. Per haps,
shoot me an email directly, call my cell phone to deal with things. She would rather tell
other members what she intends to do knowing full well that the treasurer deserve a
simple acknowledgment to know her plans regarding all of this confusion on the
account. Many attempts has been made by this two executive offices to undermine the
treasurer, but please understand that the treasurer also sat in a classroom, and she is
well versed with human behaviors.
thanks
Sarah, Alobo
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Members,
In the previous teleconference, we had to make payments for the services provided. A
debit card/ credit card was needed to expedite the service. A board member, Alex Atim,
had to use his personal debit/ card for pending payment because LAONA didn't have a
debit card for such transaction. Alex did make a special request for the company not to
charge his debit card and informed them that the association would write out a check
for payment, after which his card would not be charged. In the event that a LAONA
check was not sent to the company, Alex's card would have been charged. The
timeframe for the check issuance took so long that it ended into begging and requesting
for the chair to make a payment to the company or else they were threatening to charge
Alex's credit card for LAONA's expenses.
Of recent, we had to obtain an EIN number to open the account in the association's
name. The vice chair's credit card was used because LAONA didn't have one and the
services only required either a debit card or a credit card as means of payment, not a
check. A copy of the transaction was provided to both the members and the board.
There was no objection to the vice's a refund by any board member. The chair was
reminded time and again via email to write out a check to the vice to refund her money
and up to now, he has not done so for reasons only known to him. No one has to go
through any of this again to get their money back that was paid on behalf of the
association.
The chair selectively decided to refund Alex, without an acknowledgement of a thank
you to Alex, for using his own debit card to allow us have the teleconference services.
The secretary wanted reasons for having the debit card, these are two problems we
have encountered so far, and in todays world, electronics is taking over and primitive
way of doing things are tightened.
Thanks,
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
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All Members
My opinion the quotation below is the right way.
. 'The protocol for disbursements for most organizations also requires that all expenses which
are incurred as a result of carrying out business of the organization be paid for by cheque only,
signed off on by whatever number of signatories the association has in place. The cheque is
issued only after the expense is approved by the board. LAONA is no exception. This is the only
way to ensure that disbursements are fully accounted for, with a paper trail. This means that no
payment or withdrawals can be made through a debit card. The bank here advised that there is no
way they would allow a debit card to be used for withdrawals when there is more than one
signatory on the account. This will also apply in LAONA’s case. A debit card will not be in use
because there are three signatories to the account. The Treasurer had agreed to this. If there is a
reason why LAONA’s account needs debit withdrawals at this time, the Treasurer should bring it
up to the board first and then to the membership if she is not satisfied with the board’s decision.
Both Alex and I are comfortable as signatories without a debit withdrawal."
Tom Opito
LAONA MEMBER
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Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
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Treasurer
Thank you for your response ears up in the air.
Tom Opito.
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No such arrangement has been made. A phone number can be made available to the members to
check with the voice/text company for those who would like to take it that far. A LAONA
cheque was drawn to cover the board's teleconference bill. A record of it can also be made
available to the members.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Members,
At this time, I would like to call upon Alex Atim to explain to the members what exactly
went on and why his debit card/ credit card was involved for teleconference.
Thanks
Sarah, Alob
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Hi Sarah,
First and foremost, I want to say that on behalf of myself and my family (the Engola's and the
Kema's), what a wonderful job we feel you're doing as LAONA treasurer. Keep doing what
you're doing! That being said, we have full faith in your abilities to continue to carry out your
roles and responsibilities at the highest standard.
As you know, at the 1st annual June LAONA meeting, I made a presentation on Linx2Funds and
how it can benefit LAONA by raising funds at no cost to the Organization. We're waiting for the
tax exempt status situation to be done/finalized/completed and then God willing, LAONA can
get involved in this program as one of its' obvious discussed and stated needs is fundraising,
pronto :)
That being said, as a Rep in 5LINX, I have my own dedicated Conference Line which I pay for
annually - I'd be more than happy to lend out this number free of charge for the LAONA Board
to use for calls as my faith donation to LAONA.
I remain,
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Edisa,
Thank very much for your contribution by way of encouragement and as you know, we
all have to be in it together in order for this association to be functional. Many minds are
better than one and I will always seek for counsel and direction on how to best handle
LAONA business from the members. This is the people's association and it is about
time we all get engaged otherwise a few special interest group are opposed to this idea
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of working together. Fund raising is key to the growth of our association and I now know
who to turn to for support on behalf of LAONA. A finance committee will soon be formed
and in addition to Edisa, we would like more volunteers from the membership to
please step up and participate in seeking better ways of doing fundraising, and among
other things for LAONA.
Thank you and have a good weekend.
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
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Dear members,
As usual, let’s not forget to appreciate the good things done by every volunteer – both Board members and grassroots members –
and well wishers too.
- To all the bank account signatories to-be (Florence, Sarah and Alex) for sacrificing their time and
money to mail the documents, we are sincerely grateful! You deserve to be recognized for the positive
contributions. We are aware you spent money from your own pockets, and that you squeezed time to
complete the form, setup the bank account, etc. We are aware that these people sacrifice a lot than stated
here, and I ask all to understand that it is quite painful and demotivating for any milestones (such as this)
to be characterized only by [constructive] criticisms, minus a decent level of recognition. [I’m not
“talking sides” here].
- We are also delighted that the grassroots members are stepping up to make this organization a truly
participatory one by volunteering to serve in Committees as well as donating resources to help steer us
forward, and to cut down operational costs.
- We are also aware of emerging talents in our midst, who are producing and sharing great songs
(music) not only to entertain us, but also to educate and spread word of encouragement, especially in
trying times – like this. We are listening to your music, and we are enjoying it- and more importantly, we
are getting the message loud and clear. Keep it up! We will support you in any way we can!
- Finally, kindly allow me air out my opinion about the Bank Card issue. In my view:
o The Treasurer can retain the bankcard subject to her beautifully summarized “as
simple as 1, 2, 3”. [On a lighter note, it reminds me of former US Presidential Candidate
Hermain Cain’s proposed “9-9-9”- tax code, or whatever it was…].
o There should be no cause for alarm because the Treasurer, will, after all be sending out
bank statements on monthly basis. And more importantly, no one will dispute that the
grassroots members (let alone the Board members) have proved to be exceptionally
hawk-eyed to the point that the treasurer cannot carry out any unapproved transaction and
go scot-free. In any case, the Chair has been a role model for this and I am sure the
Treasurer will emulate him in this respect. T
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<catherineocen@yahoo.com>
Dear members,
We have Miss Tourism Uganda contest going on now. We as Lango are blessed to have had two young
and beautiful ladies to represent us in the contest. See the link below.
http://www.misstourism.co.ug/category/contestants/
Thank you,
Ben Wacha.
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Dear Members:
I have been away and was unable to comment on this issue of treasurer retention of the LAONA
debit card, and to give clarification on my debit card involvement on the teleconference
arrangement. First of all I would like to thank all of you who passionately, in a good faith
contributed to these issues. I followed the discussion very closely though some of the tone was a
bit offensive but I understand that it’s normal in a family and should not be taken personal.
For the members who may not know the genesis of the phone conference (teleconference) issue,
let me reiterate; when the LAONA board was pondering of the option of holding the first board
meeting, we ruled out the face-to-face meeting because of the cost involved- we then agreed on
the teleconference option. We tried skype which was free but did not work due to some technical
issues. Consequently we (we- I meant the board) began to shop around for the cheapest
telephone conference services provider. Three of us were involved in this- the secretary, chair
and I. Voice Text emerged the cheapest (Voice Text is the telephone conference services
provider). We agreed that I should negotiate with the Voice Text and sign up with them.
In summary, one of the conditions the Voice Text has is that I have to provide them with my
credit/debit card information as collateral- I did gave them the detail of my card and other
information that was required to complete the agreement. When I gave them my debit card
information, they put it on an auto payment system (auto pay system, mean that they charge your
debit card automatically after the use of their services). In fact Voice Text attempted to charge
my card before they send the invoice but my bank did not approve it. Thereafter, they sent the
invoice to me which I forwarded it to the Board (address to Treasurer/ Secretary to process the
payment). Note: I did assure the Voice Text representative that our Treasurer is processing their
payment that might take a week after they called me demanding the payment. Enough of this
debit card thing let me get back to the Treasurer issues with the retention of the LAONA debit
card.
Initially, after back and forth discussion on whether the treasurer should retain the LAONA debit
card- all parties agreed that there is no need for holding organization’s debit card- all LAONA
transaction will be done by bank check. After a while, the treasurer decided that it’s important to
have a debits card- this then became a subject of discussion- it’s clear that both parties have
points so what do LOANA want?
Lastly, Let me thank Edisa and Caeser for offering us with the teleconference services for free,
we should take this with open hand- these things is not free! Ben Wacha- your offer is very
much appreciated we need to learn out to trust each other and appreciate things! One thing
I suggest is that we need to establish a channel where members submit their offers, we discuss
and adopt it rather than trashing without weighing its merits.
Alex Atim
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Members,
As you can see, Alex has given you full explanation on the use of his personal debit/
credit card. Please remember that both the chair and the secretary had the same
opportunity to volunteer to use their own personal cards to help set up the needed
services but both opted out, secretary citing too costly at her end and the chair you will
never know why. Only the two of them want LAONA debit card destroyed knowing full
well that they can not use their very own. Whose card do they want used next in
case a transaction only requires a debit card payment? The secretary stated that
such arrangement never happened. Was she being honest to the members? After
the chair failed to issue a check in time to release Alex's debit card pending payment
and the chair's ability to ignore the vice chair's refund, the treasurer decided that such
situation must be avoided and to do so, LAONA must have her own debit
card. Members, this is common sense and please have your say on this issue as well.
Some of you have already weighed in, thank you. Members must reject being told
misleading information coming from executives who only relay messages they see fit
but not the full truth. They must be held accountable for manipulating the minds of other
members with false information.
Thanks,
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA.
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Yes Madam Treasurer, the Secetary was being honest. No such arragement was made
by us. If the telecom company tricked or forced Alex into agreeing to an auto payment,
that was wrong and the boad would never have agreed to that. Alex never came back,
at least not to me to let me know that that was the arrangement the telecom company
wanted. The Chair has made it very clear and the board agreed that we cannot be
writing cheques to board members because that would not pass any audit rules. The
board members are aware that payment should be made directly to the vendor. So
there was no way that cheques for the telecom bill was going to be written to Alex. The
telecom company was supposed to bill LAONA directly and the cheque would be made
directly to them. That is how this board works and that is how it will continue working,
just in case we get audited.
Secondly Madam Treasurer, we were looking for a cheaper deal for the telecom. Our
email communications detail the back and forth rate comparisons. The rates in Canada
were almost twice as much what we got with this telecom company. For anyone to think
that I did not want to pay from the Canadian side is preposterous! If that is what Alex
told you and your buddies, then it is unfortunate because he should have told us that at
the time we were looking at the telecom prices. Madam Treasurer, credit cards/debit
cards etc., are not a problem for a lot of people so please just drop it. "Whose card are
they going to use next...?" you asked. To that I say don't you worry, it will not be yours.
The board will ensure that no such burden is placed on you.
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Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Dear Florence,
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As I said before if the telecom company tricked/forced Alex into auto payment, that was
wrong. That should not have been the arrangement. This horse is dead. Let's not flog it
anymore and yes I am moving on - there are other important things to address as well. I
will not be writing on this anymore since there is nothing else to add.
Sincerely,
Florence ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Florence,
The chair allowed Alex to use his debit card and if he were to be charged, according to
the chair, LAONA would refund Alex his money. Who was doing the tricking here? Why
didn't one of you use your own debit card. Stop playing mind games and find
something creditable and honest to say. It is not a competition and adults have to
accept that they are misleading sometimes. Move on to the next issue.
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Florence,
You know that I have unwavered respect for you for your outstanding performance in this Associaition,
and I don't see my position on this changing easily.
I am glad to read that you have accepted to move on. All those efforts that you put in, in this Bank-
related case, were completely unnecessary.
Sarah, from day one convinced the entire association that her way was the right and plausible way - ,
not only by use of well connected reasoning, but by supporting her arguments using facts and well
documented evidence.
For us members out here, we know who is telling the truth through what is called Analysis of
Arguments: http://www.ets.org/gre/revised_general/prepare/analytical_writing/argument/
scoring_guide
We don't need to be part of the Board to know who is telling the truth, and who is forcing us to believe
him or her. Let's do things that will uphold our hard-earned reputation.
Sarah, keep it right on that track. Florence, give Sarah a chance to do her work as Treasurer.
Also, as Sarah stated, let's respect the persons who volunteer to use their credit/debit cards. And let's
stick to real issues.
We move on.
Respectfully,
Caesar Ogole
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those who did not go far with education, we are together. Remember we are one, and we are far
away from home so lets try to agree to disagree and love each other.
It can be seen clearly that the board is divided, "associates and etc" who wants to be a part of
this divided group, where no one is allowed to ask questions, and so on...I don't need to answer,
members can all see for themselves. Brother Caesar, thank you for all that you wrote. The issue
of bank account, the board already took care of only one step left, we are waiting for the transfer
of funds to the new account.
I could address lots of issues raised by other members but at this time I am very busy. If the
discussion about UNAA continues then I will provide to the members my communication with
the chair about his position with UNAA. From what I gather the chair did not represent LAONA
but he introduced himself as our chair and during the Northern Uganda discussion, the chair was
interested in tucu pi iyi Aboke only. So next year it will be up to us to decide who will represent
us in UNAA because the chair can not represent us at the same time serve on their council. You
can not serve two masters.
Mr Chair, I know one good proverb that more people use in West Africa, "Don't destroy the boat
that you used when crossing the river.
So I wish you all the best of luck.
An Betty
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Deal all,
We have a container leaving for Uganda, from Washington DC on October 20, 2013.
Please contact Ben Wacha (240) 551-7505 as soon as possible. This is a great chance for you to do your
shipment before Christmas. We have a great holiday gift for you. "Holiday Special, 2013"
Container almost full; try your luck and win a chance to get the special. Call for more infomation.
Trunk Cases (Large) $150.00 Living Room Sets (sofas, seats, lazyboy) from $150.00.
Respond to this email with code LAONA2013 and get Tax free consignment in Uganda. 10% of your
payment is donated to LAONA.
Thanks,
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Ben
Thank you. It is too late for people who are far inland next time try to give enough time.
Apwoyo matek
Tom
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Good morning Ben. What a noble idea to enble our brothers and sisters send things
home just in time for the holidays.
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I am however very concerned about the involvement of LAONA in this venture in our
current state. LAONA does not have a tax exempt status either in North America or in
Uganda. As you may be aware, the Board, through our Vice Chairman is currently
working with lawyers to get LAONA a tax exempt status. This is at the very initial stages
and if this offer you just made were to come to the IRS' attention, even if it is not LAONA
who will be providing tax discount, LAONA's application would be in serious jeopardy. I
do understand the benefits of the offer for LAONA (10% donation) but it would be more
appropriate if we already had a legal tax exempt status. I would therefore kindly suggest
you withdraw LAONA's portion of the offer in order not to complicate things with the IRS
at this time. This concern only applies to LAONA' tax exempt status, it does not and
should not prevent LAONA members from using the service.
If there are concerns and or any further information that you require in terms of the tax
exempt status, please let me know.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary and Spokersperson, LAONA
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Thank you very much Hon Florence. I will surely abide by the standing laws of LAONA. But
my only question is, since this is a personal donation to LAONA, does any IRS Laws forbid any
personal donations to LAONA?.
If so I would more than willing withdraw all my donations to LAONA since it would jeopardize
the legal process that LAONA is going through to regularize its status. And also let the general
public know that it is illegal to donat to LAONA so that our organization is safe from any or all
legal proceedings.
Kede Gen,
Wad Wuu,
Ben Wacha
(Member LAONA)
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No Ben, the statement "Respond to this email with code LAONA2013 and get Tax free
consignment in Uganda" would get LAONA in serious trouble. The IRS may think we
are doing things under the table. And as you are aware, no one can argue their way out
with the IRS. That is all I am saying.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Florence
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Ben,
LAONA obtained and EIN # (Employer Identification Number )from the federal
government to allow us do business as we wait for our tax exempt status. It was agreed
by the board that the Vice chair would handle the issue of tax exempt. As of now, the
vice has already met with the preparer, and all that LAONA needs to do is send
payments for submission. That is still pending awaiting a decision. Leaving that aside,
all donations to LAONA is legal because of the EIN #, and LAONA its self is legal
so please do not be discouraged to send your donation to LAONA because it will be
much appreciated. Additionally, most of you have already made donations to
LAONA. You have LAONA account number to deposit your donation at your
convenience.
Thank you
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
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Madam Treasurer, the EIN number designates LAONA as a business and expects LAONA to
pay taxes.
Sincerely,
Florence
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Florence,
All money paid by whomever wants to send items to Uganda would be paid to Ben,
should anyone choose to send their items through Ben's services, he will receive the
payments. Ben will then make a personal decision as a LAONA member to donate 10%
of whatever collections he gets. Just assume that he works a 9-5pm job, for two weeks
and he decides to donate 10% percent of his income to LAONA. Is this considered
illegal, under what legal codes?
Thank you
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
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Amego,
No Florence. You are dead wrong. There is nothing wrong in using the name LAONA. Omera
Amego, this is the land of the Free and Liberated. There is no legal code that dictates whatever
name you can use. Ojoni pingo dok ibedo wunu okwon okwon dok twatwal? What is in a name?
LAONA na ni obedo a City in Wisconsin omera amego. Just google LAONA and you will see
what I mean. There is also a nightclub called LAONA in Forest County and no one has ever sued
the LAONA City for letting Mr. George use iys name for purposes othern that non-governmental
name of the city.
That said, Hon Florence, you are spending too much time doing nothing instead of focusing on
matters that really matter. Just call it a blessing to have Langi of initiatives. Since I was last
informed, our organization was registered as a not-for-profit organization. So until LAONA,
Inc. has engaged in for-profit acitivity, it is innocent. Please contact your closest Lawyer in order
to avoid looking "mentaly incompetent" to raise such issues. Pe dok i lan wa wunnu ojoni. Kop
me kano lim aworo maca ca ni oromo wa ba. If we let okwonification dok odonyo iyi man en
nying amwaa ni, lewic be abedo iye ba.
Otherwise, good chatting with you.
Ben Wacha.
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Mr. Chair,
When I see email such as Mr. Wacha's it makes me appreciate my parents even more!
There are some things that you really cannot buy off the shelf.
Sincerely,
Florence
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My Deepest Apologies!
Hon Chair,
I deepely regret and send my apologies to Mdm. Florence for the profanity I used on her. It is
unexpected of 'us' to get that low.
But that said, I think a context should be given here. First, I never referred it to her in person. It
was meant for all of 'us' who instead of appreciating the efforts each one of us is making in
promoting our organization, and ensuring that we succeed in our fund raising efforts, for one, we
remain adamant, unprofessional, and react as if "we" or "those others" have no idea on what we
are trying to do, and in fact are outright ignorant and irresponsible. Second, the tone we set out to
discuss issues has been set in a manner in which they are rude, condensending, patronizing, and
unprofessional. With due respect, the communication style set up in this organization is abusive,
to say the least; and we have not adopted the right style to communicate our discourse, and
displeasure with the ideas being espoused by other members. This is uncalled for, and depict a
lack of capability to run a public matters. It is a shortcoming which we have to fight hard to over
come in our community.
I am glad that you have finally come out here Mr. Chair, to intervene, and I hope that this is
just the first step for you to use your position and be the guiding and exemplary leader that we
expect of you. Our style and mode of communication and regard for one another is abhoric in
here, to say the least, but very frustrating at the extreme. The sooner we all act as respectful
grown ups, stop talking behind peoples back, and answer to this honorable call, the better it is for
all of us. Such episodes as this one above, will be just one of the many that will erupt from time
to time. We have already been through a few, you know that. We have to get out there, and do
what we all volunteered to do instead of living as if "I" am the only sane one, and all the others
are insane and have ultirior motives. We have to be respectfull with all members alike, and look
at each others rejoinder as positive engagement, and an attempt to be part of the system.
There is so much frustration bottled up in this entire arrangement; and the sooner we all respond
with sanity and integrity, the better it will be. And you the Chair has the gretaest challenge to
take the lead.
Thank very much,
Ben Wacha.
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Good for you Florence. We were not all equally endowed with parents as yours; at least you
were blessed to have had it all. But some of us eat it all with our millet Kwon, and battered it out
under the tree, and never sat on any desk.
But I am glad that same Lord, gave me the wisdom to tell the difference between intelligence and
wisdom.
Fly high girl. Many returns.
Ben Wacha.
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Brother Alex,
Apwoyo twatwal pi megi ni omera omego. As for the diplomacy I still have it brother; but
sometimes, "kic" The Bee sometimes is not very friendly especially if you touch it along a
familiar ground.
But like I said, I deeply regret the words I have used and it was unprofessional of me. I have
apologised to the Chair, and I have decided to move on with PEACE.
Thank you for your advice Brother, I will heed it. I will give a shout as soon as she cools down.
Oloe, a kadi kidi rego be caa okene dang ngwenyo nyako cingi baa.
Peace,
Ben Wacha.
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Wacha Omina,
Ngo arac. This des not sound like the Wacha I have known and respect for these many years. Am
lost for words.
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Both Ben and Florence, to me (and to many others), have served as very exemplary contributors
in this Association at one point or the other - just like many other members carry this pride. The
list of their positive contributions is long, and it will keep growing- I am sure. It is only natural
to have low and high moments, and these two important people have not been exceptions to the
pendulum experience as they try to forge a way forward (often, if not always, in good faith).
Name calling and other forms of ridicules serve no good - whether done in private or on public
forum. We would by now have completed at least one draft of a grant proposal instead of writing
to advocate for respect - a thing that should be understood and practiced axiomatically. This
pattern didn't start with Ben, to be clear; it started long ago, even before this membership-based
group came into existence. (I have no idea who was the first), but let's hope it will end with Ben
- especially because he has apologized in a way that seems to come from the bottom of his heart-
and this should be noted as an exemplary move. All other interventions - the Chair's, and all -
are all we needed to hear at this point.
But also, let's not forget the issue raised (and clarified). Names such as LAONA or Laona etc-
have been in use elsewhere in many different ways and for different purposes. As long as the
motive is clean (meaning not illegal -or not carrying a potential of illegality) - any person can
use such "codes" anywhere, everywhere, anytime.
One of our members recently put forward a donation for consideration. That was to facilitate
only Board meetings- if I got it right. Allow me talk about Otedero Forum, below.
Cokere Otedero
It is with pleasure that I am volunteering to cater for the grassroots (Otedero) forum by
volunteering a free tele-conference facility to facilitate Otedero's TOWN-HALL STYLE OF
MEETING. It was already tested by some members about two or three weeks ago- thanks that
they volunteered their time to do this (and for their feedback). I will be sending out the details in
a little bit (may be next week). No strings attached; it is for informal conversations aimed at
bringing people together.
But if you have any fears or concerns, ask me directly. Don't discourage others. Participation is
not mandatory, in any case. It is better to resolve issues amicably through such town-hall
interactions by chatting and laughing it off (hopefully), than bottle up things and send out a
barrage of words in writing - the way we have experienced in the past. [I was becoming an
expert in this]. It is better me cokere ket iwoo instead of exchanging these emails such as some
of those we have seen in our group's lifetime. We already discussed these and many other
advantages of using this new tool with some of the members who volunteered to test the system.
This is a technology that I built (and continue to enhance) - from the laboratories of my start-up
company.
Of course the board members can join and take part in the informal conversations; - it will for
all members- even though I used the word 'otedero'. We can have such meetings held
periodically; as and when any group (of at least three members) needs to engage in ceko kop.
Apwoyo,
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Caesar
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especially when we have done nothing wrong. I believe even though I do not condon
name calling of anyone, his response was warranted given the fact that there are
individuals who think that they know it all, and want to take control at all times. This is a
bad mentality to run an organization such as ours. It is imperative that we refrain from
looking for only the wrongs and apply critical thinking in order for us to make an
appropriate and acceptable response to all members in this organization.
3. Ben, thank you for your apology to the secretary because I believe she was hurt
although it would have been very respectful and expected of her to take her time and
understand that your intentions and ideas posed zero legal threat to LAONA in any way.
I hope that this will end and we will move to another level.
As always, this is after all the people's association.
Thank you
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
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Hi Sarah,
Dickson
Dickson Ogwang
MINISTER COUNSELOR
Embassy of the Republic of Uganda
5911 16Th. St. N.W.
Washington, D.C.
20011-2891
phone: 202 726 7100
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Mme Treasurer,
An organization reserves the right not to have its name used for any purposes, including, but not
limited to fundraising by individuals in the name of the organization. All such actions must
receive prior approval of the Board of the organization. Just because someone belongs to an
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organization does not give them the authority and power to raise money as they see fit in the
name of the organization, or to speak on behalf of the organization. For example, it would be
foolhardy for me as a professor to sell my books or publications to my students on the promise
that I would donate 10% of the proceeds of the documents to the University without permission
of the University.
The issue is not about Mr. Ben Wacha or Mme Secretary Ocen. The issue is about following the
proper protocols, or setting the precedent of following the protocols in our Association.
Thank you,
Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
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Prof Omara,
Save your breath Sir. You might want to review your opinion here. Take a cue from
'Obamacare' for a start. No malice intended. You might get a few other examples where names
are used not only for positive motives, but with due deligence and respect, for unpopular
motives.
You would be good is reminded that you only need such a permission when you are infringing
on copyrights, or have motives other than what the name was intended for. If your premise is
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right, then we as LAONA should then be held up for using the name LAONA since it is already
a legtitimate name elsewhere.
But mine was for all intents and purposes, positive and developmental.
Just two pennies.
Ben Wacha.
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Mr. Chair,
You are missing the point, and more so misleading. Let us apply critical thinking. Ben
has the right to offer his services to the members. He did not say that he was
fundraising. I used the term "fundraising" to make a point, which you yourself is having
difficulty understanding. Let's not make things complicated just to make ourselves
relevant. There is no legal justification in the U.S.A, to stop Ben from selling products/
services to our members. It is up to the members to decide to buy/ use Ben's services,
and obviously, you and I do not have any right to stop him because there is no basis to
do so, under these circumstances. The abbreviation LAONA13 can be made up by
anyone, meaning that you do not have the right to own it. The rule of Law are in
place only to guide us but not to be used to scare people. That is not what it was
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Prof Omara,
Even if that was what I meant, as Sarah says, there is no Law in these US of A that stops me
from doing my business and donated portion of my returns to any organization of my liking.
That is Philanthropy Sir.
The point is the tactic you are oft using to intimidate members of this organization are all an
effigment of your imagination. You cannot come up with concocted laws and prohibitions to bar
members from positively and effectively participating in the running of the affairs of their
organization. You are just a chairman elected on a public madadte to hold that chair as custodian;
you therefore cannot turn around and be the 'know-it-all-Doctor' and begin reharsing the "do's
and dont's" of the organization in a selective manner to suit your own satisfaction.
This is a case in point where you just harras people the way you see fit, and yet doing nothing
to promote the organization, leave alone convincing the Langi in North America to see LAONA
as the best place ever for them to engage their community. LAONA was formed on the basis of
preserving, promoting and dispersing the benefits of our culture to our community in North
America. Have you ever called a moment in history to justify your continued position as
chairman of the organization other than come with "do's and dont's" selectively? You do not to
patronize to make your point clear.
Hon Chair, you would be of more use if you just got out there to do what you were elected to do
rather than spending too much time in looking good in your resume, and pretending to be
working. LAONA is not a commercial organization, I understand that you are "selling" (read
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fundraising) T-shirts in the name of LAONA. While this is a good way to go, would we call it
illegal and wrong to to do so? Absolutely not. It is understandable, legally that sometimes
organizations such as ours, can sell staff, or encourage other activties on their premises by others
to fundraise for them. Fundraising is not illegal; whether it is for full-profit or non-profit
organizations. The decalred intentions is os the essence here.
So, Chairman Sir, I was not wrong to raise money and donate portion thereof to LAONA. Under
the Tax codes of the US, it is appropriate for organization to recieve donation done in good faith.
Ifter all our organization is already a legal entity. The Tax exemption status will go into effect
effective on the day this organization was legally given status to operate in this land of the Free
and the Brave.
Thank You gulu mac,
Ben Wacha.
Member LAONA.
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Mr. Chair,
Since you have picked up interest in participating on this subject over the use of LAONA
for personal fundraising, when in fact it is not the case and your concern of any legal
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ramification that you think will affect LAONA, I would like to invite you to explain to the
people, why you used LAONA, as an association to get an elected position with UNAA,
without any approval from the board. Secondly, You accepted and volunteered to
represent LAONA, of which the board approved, but there are clear evidences out there
that LAONA was NOT represented by you. Given this two reasons, especially the first
one, you used LAONA for personal gain. Explain to the members why this happened
and if in fact it was appropriate. The fact of the matter is, you got access to UNAA
because you were the chair of LAONA, but didn't represent LAONA. A possible conflict
of interest?
Thanks
Sarah, Alobo
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Hon Sarah,
I quite candidly think that with due respect, our Chairman is facing serious capacity issues and
competency. Yes I wish he could really justify his trip to UNAA in the first place, then justify to
us the circumstances underwhich he used our name without due deligence for his own personal
gain.
I was blessed recently to have seen his so called report he sent to the Board about his trip to
UNAA. It was what I would call a 'Primary Six Essay' It was lacking in substance, and very
wanting in deed. i wondered how and why he went to UNAA, and I have not got a clue upto
date. Thank you that you mentioned it.
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But the gist of the issue is that, our Chairman has all along from the time he was elected, focused
on issues that are not petinent to the Aims and Objectives for which we all set out to form
LAONA. It has turned out to be the Chair personal convenience as opposed to anything around
Lango. I was set aback when he came up with that issue of LAONA name et all.
But, you are doing a good job Sarah. Our Chair is answerable to us, and his continued
chairmanship is very much pivotd on his continued working for Lango in LAONA.
Thank You,
Ben Wacha.
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Mr Chairman,
Thanks for sending that email. Honestly I though that was obvious! Defeats me why it isn't to
some of our members
Best regards
Emer
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Next!
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I glanced at the twist of events, and I can say that usually, I would try to find a way of diverting
topics if discussions don't seem healthy (to me). However, I see the new questions posed to the
Chair have been raised in an objective manner with the following advantages:
2. If it proceeds well with the agreed level of respect, it will serve as an example of good
discussions. That LAONA (as a whole) is now mature enough to initiate and sustain (or come to
an agreed conclusion) through healthy discussion, even when faced with naturally controversial
issues. So far, the trust level is low in this line. This particular discussion has a potential to set an
example that may change the game.
The talk out there (even within our own membership) is that 'wise people talk engage in
LAONA forum discussions'. My immediate question usually is, how would we have
reached this milestone since Dec 2012 (for simplicity) if everyone were to shy away for
airing out opinion. LAONA would be non-existent! The forum then becomes dead quiet!
Mr. Chair, while this is time-consuming and most people are busy, if you get a chance - your
response(s) will be appreciated (for the sake of closure). [For one, I have nothing else to
contribute in this particular topic rather than what i just said in this message]
Thank you,
Caesar
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Ceaser,
This is a very powerful statement you have made here.
1- "Postponing a problem is not solving it". In deed this has been one of the tactics which has
found fertile ground in LAONA. Issues are pushed under the rug and hoped their heads never
show up. This is wrong and it is not working for us in LAONA.
2. That LAONA would considered matured and developed if it can "...initiate and sustain a
discussion through healthy discussion..." I would haste to add that when we can only consider
that LAONA had indeed matured and can stand the test of time and generation only if we can
'inter-actively' hold a tough and oft challenging debated amicably with civility and reach a
conclusive and healthy ending, and yet meet in the morning and crack jokes together.
These are very pertinent issues that you have raised Ceaser. As a community we still have to
learn how to bring the maturity and sophistication that we have gained in our day to day inter-
action with other communities back home for our own benefits. To have the sophistication and
agility to articulate our points with the real intention of communicating our opinions clearly with
in anticipation of a response worthy of our engagement.
This is something that we should strife as a community to attain in our discussions and discourse.
Thank You Ceaser.
Ben Wacha.
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Mme Treasurer,
I appreciate your questions. I get the opportunity to correct your misconceptions and misleading
information to the members about a number of issues, including my recent representation of
LAONA at the Uganda North American Association (UNAA)Dallas Convention and subsequent
involvement as a private Ugandan in the Organization.
1. What do you mean by LAONA was NOT represented? What were your expectations of my
representation of our Association at UNAA? Were you and your group not the ones who
drummed up the importance of having LAONA at this conference in the first place while not
knowing what LAONA could get from UNAA? I recall that you personally even pledged
$50:00 if others could also chip in to send the Vice Chair to represent LAONA at the
Convention. You would even have used the Association’s meager bank account for that purpose
had the Chair not resisted the idea and the Board agreed with him in view of LAONA’s existing
high priorities over sending a representative to the UNAA Convention. It was only thereafter
that yours truly the Chair volunteered out of pocket still to represent our Association at the
UNAA Convention. These are facts to which the Board can testify.
2. There were several Ugandan cultural associations represented at the conference and none of
them were given any special/preferential treatment; so why were you expecting LAONA to be
treated differently, anyway?
3. UNAA's main objective is to get Ugandans together in North America. There is nothing
stopping a member of LAONA from being a member in other organizations. In fact, that should
be strongly encouraged. UNAA is not a philanthropic Organization. Therefore, what exactly in
the world were you as the Treasurer of LAONA expecting from UNAA; to give LAONA
money?
4. Despite the negative view of my trip to the UNAA Convention that you and your associates
desperately continue to want our members to believe, LAONA got a very good exposure at the
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Thank you,
Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
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Mr.. Chair,
Please address the members with this issue at hand regarding your UNAA attendance
because it is pivotal to your leadership. I already know what you did and did not do. In
fact when you were asked by the Vice Chair on what you were going to speak
about and your appearance on the campaign list on the website for a position, your
response was very rude, and you proceeded to keep her silent by threatening a law suit.
I do not know of which court in the United States would hear such a case you
were trying to manufacture. You represent the entire LAONA and not just the treasurer.
Members were not updated of your trip to UNAA until now. This is not a report rather
a complaint and loud cries that are unnecessary. It would be better if you complied
a report together and submitted it to the members, like you did to the board. That is all
that is required of you, Mr. Chair.
Mr.chair, the idea of LAONA being represented at UNAA convention was brought up by
the vice. At the least two people were expected to go. You and the vice chair would be
preferred . yes, we did have issues with funding the trip and thank you for
volunteering to fund yourself to UNAA. Ideas were being thrown around on how to send
a representative on behalf of LAONA and money was the issue. LAONA, as it is known
to the board did not have enough money in the account for such expenses, although it
would have been an expense on behalf of LAONA. I threw in the idea of board
members contributing $50 each and before that could be considered, you volunteered
to pay for your way on behalf of LAONA. I was happy that the chair was going to
represent us as agreed by the board. However, based on reports known to a lot of us,
you did not do what was expected of you and as always, the chair has to bring to the
membership clarity. so far, you haven't accomplished that. Please try again to explain
things in a rather non condescending manner, out of respect for all the people that you
are leading. I am immune to your attacks as you have done it continuously to instill fear
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in me. Let us not do that, but show me that you are worth looking up to, because I want
very much to trust and believe in our chair in all aspects but for now, It is difficult given
wired behaviors and characters that I have witnessed.
Thank you,
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA.
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Kito kidogo 10%, Kito kidogo a container, Kito kidogo personal service. Is that what we call
critical thinking? are we serious? Brothers and sisters,let me give you something to think of. Is
this agenda B? we did not with clear minds create this organization with the idea of 10%, If you
are working hard, do not tell us just work we will see it in your contribution. What of if a crime
is committed in the name of LAONA, who will be accoutable of it? Think about that. This is not
coming from the wood. But in the America open land. Is that why we are pressing hard to get
LAONA money transfrere? Let us be civil not call names to frustrate any LAONA member.Kito
kidogo 10%. is real critical thinking. Flash.
Thanks
God Bless LAONA members all including me.
Charles Poro Owot.
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Oh you guys? Why talk all these? Go ahead and do the business send that donation to
LAONA now. Let the Treasurer TAKE HER RESPONSIBILITIES, RECEIVE THE
DONATION. GO AHEAD AND DO THE BUSINESS. EIN allows you to do business, for
which is registered for. Before you get the Non Profit you can continue
to do that business. Whether you do the business or not you are still required by law to
file tax with IRS WHILE YOU WAIT FOR YOUR NGO APPROVAL, if it takes so long to
be approve. Since June by now you should have already got the Non profit approval
for LAONA.
STOP!! toasting the Treasurer like she has nothing important to do? You should be
showing example to our young generation. But she spends her time writing back to you
guys back and forth? Who? does not know what you guys talk behind. With your back
and forth communication? Can tell who you guys are. Otherwise LAONA would have
been far with "prof. etc." f Like I said in Sept you guys have some issues that is why
you could not hand over to the Treasurer. STOP Stressing people.f
DO NOT REPLY TO MY EMAIL. TRY TO DO WHAT YOU ARE ELECTED TO DO.
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Brother Owot,
What are you talking about here? Honestly I did not understand where you are coming from.
What has 'kito kidogo' has to do with LAONA and 10%?
Please explain.
As for that critical thinking; you tell me. is it critical thinking to lie and lie again, and dupe
members that you are busy, and yet you are dead asleep? Like 'anye-nye mere'?
Just t\advice the chair to trust his Board members and transfer the money to the Treasurer.
Otherwise we might sue him for embezzlement of public funds. Watch that one very closely.
Asante sana.
Ben Wacha.
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Brother Ben, did I mention your name in person? I hope not. I was giving my view not to you in
particular. If I may ask, Where in my comunication to LAONA members did I mention your
name? You have a problem. This is the time you can ask me to explain why I say so. But not on
10% or kito kidogo. Your are now like Maria- Made. This was a mad dog which used to bite
people to and from the market. It is legend if you do not have an idea about it. Who ever talks
you will think that person is talking you. This is not healthy at all.
. My explination to kito kidogo is to protect LAONA name being used obituary, in case of
careless move and a crime is committed in the name of LAONA who will be accountable to? I
think this is the content of my letter.
secondly, on your last point to tell prof, Omara to release the money to the treasure , I am not his
mouth-piece or a whistle- blower. why could you not tell him yourself. I am also not your
mouth-piece. What if LAONA was not there, what were you gonna do? Could you wait for
LAONA to do your Business? You would have done it individually and invite friends and
relatives to help in the business you are thinking of. I did not mean you only but whoever might
be having the same notion. We can not put LAONA to risk.
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Wek kong alee tam kede wan Omina- Adit Charles Owot, pi en kopere guda atitidi
Man obedo clarification kede tama keken, dong iromo yuba ka pe akobo aber. An pe adonyo ikop ikom
me anywar (name-calling) pi en mano pe atero wa kanoro. Ka cengoro obino kobo kop ka me ceko lok
(jokes), myero dang omi ngeye oko me jo pe ter bala kop apire tek onyo ateni.
Omio an agamo pira, pi en an abin akobo ni ajalo teleconference facility me nono pi otedero, ento pe
amito ni jo niang arac iye. Kede naka con idwe me aryo twal (2013), an abin ajale ni acoyo software me
nono pi LAONA, ento ticere pe otum pi jami okene ongole. Pi kit ame jale na ni romo kelo rucu rucu
(confusion) kede ni (ikodi kop Mr. Owot okelo ni), an dong atamo ni akwany oko ilek jami ni
(withdraw my offers) pi amani naka dong ka ikare moro bino mite- ka dang bino mite eno.
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Charles Owot: My explination to kito kidogo is to protect LAONA name being used obituary, in
case of careless move and a crime is committed in the name of LAONA who will be accountable to?
I think this is the content of my letter.
Me: Itama, aye ni myero wan duc ogwok nying LAONA. Ento gire, pe myero okwer gin aber ame
ngatoro bino miyo ibot LAONA. Pol ajo tamo ni jami abeco myero ya I tenge. Pe tye amano ikare ducu.
Kit Alex omiyo tamere kede aworo maca, onyo Committee moro bino bedo atye me neno kop I kom jami
ni. Tye ‘gifts’ okene tye ame mito (technical) experts aye nen, ame pwod pe ogamo, onyo pe okwero.
Aye tami ni ka ginoro otimere arac (crime), nyiny LAONA duc (pe ngat acel keken) bino bale.
Charles Owot: What if LAONA was not there, what were you gonna do?
Me: Apenyi ni ber. Ngatoro onwongo romo dwogo kede apeny ni: What if the very people participated in
forming the LAONA so as (in part) to create such business opportunity? Apenyo apenya. Does not apply
to me.
Ingeca, jami anyen ducu pol akare kato kede ‘opportunities’. Bala man, jami okene okato pi en jo ocako
LAONA – ame jo ducu otiyo me cako, dong responsibility tye bot jo ducu me gwoko. Like many
experienced members advised before, there are some opportunities that are mutually beneficial for/to the
members. Ento ‘opportunities’ pe tere ni LAONA dong myero bed cuk onyo ‘market’ pi ocat wil me
LAONA. Ceng okene (bala ibota), ‘opportunity’ obedo neno kit ame jo tiyo kede jami iyi kodi
Community wa ni. Ame, ka peko moro tye (“gaps”) ame dano oneno (through observation), dano no, ka
tye ingec iyore moro, romo “innovating” me solving peko no te cato solutions no bot Communities okene
– onyo dang ibut lobo okene – abongo tic inying LAONA atwali. Acalo apor, en kit ame technologies
anyen kato kede eno (pol akare): through observation.
Me: Bala an, acako ‘start-up’ na idwe me adek – 2012 – mwaka acel before LAONA was created, dong
kop me “waiting for LAONA” does not apply to me. Tye gin okene ame onwongo wan otye otiyo iye wan
owote wa – ame dang otye omede kede ni.
Kit akobo kede (ibota an), LAONA romo bedo ka anyut (case-study) me “business logic” pi en “operating
procedures” gi onyo pat – ento ka ngatoro romo tyeko kodi peko no – communities okene dang acal kito
romo wilo kodi “services” no. Dic moro pe ni LAONA myero wil onyo ye tic kede. Mera an onwongo
obedo ka dyere (onyo volunteering) ni amiyo – ka jo amito.
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Charles Owot: You would have done it individually and invite friends and relatives to help in the
business you are thinking of.
Me: Ateni. Bala iyi atin Kampuni na nie, an atye kede owote ame otiyo kede. Ento, kit ame oyubo kede
jami wa ni (i industry wa ni), myero dang o involving potential customers me nwongo tami gi aber me
yiko jami opore pi gi. En omiyo volunteers okene me LAONA oye tic keda anaka rik cakere idwe me
adek twal. An apwo gi atek. Ento dang LAONA members obedo ‘friends’ ba- pe ameno? Tek ka pe idiyo
gi iginoro no.
Charles Owot: I did not mean you only but whoever might be having the same notion. We can not
put LAONA to risk.
Me: En omiyo atamo ni agami ni. (That’s why I decided to respond from my view point. My response
may apply only to me. I don’t know about others.)
An abin atiyo kede nying LAONA kede ‘logo me amuka’ pien abin anwongo twer ibot Facilitator me
LAONA ikare naca (dwe me adek). Kede ka jo apoyo, gino dang otimo ‘promotional campaign’ noro
atitidi ba! Aman dong akwanyo nyiny me ‘LAONA’ kede logo i software na oko (pien onwongo ka
obedo placeholder), ate leyo kede me customers okene. Wan olwongo kodi gino ni “customization”. Kodi
coca coo ca dang loko oko alubere kede customer na.
Kop apire tek me agiki, ame akobo in general: ka amema wa moro tye atemo tiyo ginoro aber (akadi pe
konyi directly), okonye wunu (even only moral support)– kit ame Communities okene konyo jo gi kede.
Pe obed kobo kop ata ta. Pe teri ipolo [Joke]
Apwoyo.
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Caesar
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Dear All,
I want to take this opportunity to thank Adwong Charles Owot for his brilliant writing and idea.
Ceaser's response has shaded a lot of light on what Brother Owot had written. I had tried to ask
for his clarification of what he meant by his writing but with very little success if at all. Thank
you Ceaser, I now see where all the diatribe is coming from. There is a lot of hatred, envy, and
contempt. This has inhibited any opportunity for civilized discussions and conversation.
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That said, and now appreciating what he wrote, I am not going to spend too much time on this
topic and issue. But first I want to apologize to all the Members of LAONA that I did not plan or
intend to use LAONA to start a business, or to coerce anybody to be my customer. My
understanding of the reason we started LAONA is far from the reason I run my business. Far
from it. I do not need LAONA too do my business. I already have a network to handle my
business. If anybody had such an understanding, I want to categorically state it here that far from
it, I was just using my own emailing service to communicate to all so that who ever might have
things to ship to Uganda, I have a company that does it. This company has been in existence for
over three years now. It is an old company which has been in this business for a long time. You
might not have known its name or its existence. Never mind. I have been a businessman for a
long time.
I, therefore, wish to apologize to all that I did not mean to force this thing into the their throats.
By this letter and apology I wish to request all here present to forget that this ever happened, and
there is no 'Ben Wacha' who owns a shipping company. After all most of you did not even know
its name. So by this, I will consider this discussion about shipping and all that closed. This will
also include all my personal contributions to LAONA since we have a Board to do it all; I will
reserve all my contributions material or otherwise, until such time when LAONA will need
them. It is so sad that we have reduced LAONA into a field to contest who is more 'Lango' than
the other, and therefore, has more vested interest in shaping our cultural destiny in North
America, and protecting LAONA from abuse and misuse. Apparently some amongst us have are
better endowed on how to run LAONA; and so keep all the others far away from infesting the
Association.
As for those other things that Brother Owot wrote about me, never mind, I will not honor them
by any response. There seems to be a very serious misunderstanding here in the presence of
some of us, and our contributions in LAONA. This is not healthy for LAONA. I think the
honorable thing to do is not to make any contributions at all until we are asked to by LAONA.
But this does not stop me from criticizing anything unbecoming being done in our names under
LAONA. I will continue to have spirited debate on what is right for LAONA as a member of the
community.
Thank you very much Mujee Owot.
Ben Wacha.
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Please find below and attached a letter from the LAONA Board of Directors to the members.
Thank you.
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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This is to inform all the Association members that the Board of Directors of LAONA may and will, from
time to time, communicate directly with the membership or entities outside the Association on
important matters. Such communication will always be sent through its official channel, through the
Spokesperson, who is also the Secretary of the Association, Ms. Florence Ocen. Any communication
regarding official LAONA matters which originates from any other channel/source other than the LAONA
official channel should be disregarded, and the Board bears no responsibility for it.
As most of you are aware, of late there has been some communication circulated to LAONA members
from a private source - laonanet@googlegroups.com. The Board wishes to clarify that it has no
knowledge of the ownership or membership of this group. The Board would therefore like to advise all
members to be cautious when participating in such communication as their email postings could be
circulated beyond LAONA membership.
Finally, the Board would like to take this opportunity to thank all the members, especially those who
expressed their concerns about this confusion to Board members. Together we can make LAONA strong.
Sincerely,
Thank you, but I must add that as we continue to build our best practices- sometimes learning
the hard way - :
1. Financial reports must come directly from the Office of the Treasurer. Her recent performance
exceeded members' expectations, and it's still the talk in all the major cities across NA.
2. For spokesperson: Members must feel free to ask questions, and responses from the Board
must not be a sheer view/opinion of some person(s) - but facts and/or evidence (in the case of a
claim - eg. UNAA uses paper check. Tell us why UNAA is a model to copy. Another example:
show us the "advice"/evidence from the bank officer, etc)
Caesar
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Hon. Members,
The Chair has completed his task of drafting the Code of Conduct for the Association. It is now time for
the individual Board members to review the document as they see fit and return their reviews to me
with specific suggestions for changes, if any. The deadline for the submission or reviews to me is Sunday
27, 2013.
I kindly remind you all that this is a draft document and therefore should not be shared at this time with
non-Board members.
Thank you all.
Florence
On Thu, Oct 24, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Sarah Alobo < alobo_sarah@yahoo.com > wrote:
Board Members,
I have reviewed the Chair's draft of the code of conduct. Thank you chair for the effort that you have put
into this draft.
Please allow me put my points across despite the fact that the document is still a draft.
1. The code of conduct is too long and the technicalities of the language used is unnecessary for a
cultural association. Reason being, it sounds more like we a running a government or putting a set of
rules together to be followed in a law office. It is in my opinion, this is not applicable for an association
such as ours because we need harmony and unity in which people are free to exercise their opinions
without them being condemned and threatened by legal codes that are inappropriate and incites fear of
participation.
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2. Disciplinary committee: it is a fact that this association from its conception already had biases that I
have only come to realize of late. Who is going to discipline who and how are we going to come up with
such committees? As I write, there is so much biases, dishonesty, disrespect, unprofessionalism,
arrogance and mistrust amongst us the board. I believe that this will further complicate the many
reasons why this association was formed to begin with. I for example, I do not see anyone of this board
being a disciplinarian given what we have already experienced. If there is anyone, may be about one or
two, and I reserve to mention names.
3. Standard of Conduct: the chair has mentioned very important points under this section but I will say
this without any reservation that whether it is written down or not, it is what is expected of everyone
but in our case, this behavior seems to be the norm even within the board, and the first offense was
done by the chair himself.
Lastly, all of these rules are very unnecessary because it is going to further broaden our already existing
problems which are not limited to biasedness, divisive attitudes which promotes exclusion of other
Langis from joining the membership and most importantly discourage freedom of expression. We are
already adults who should and must know how to conduct ourselves in all settings, and not just within
the association. This will be perceived as another form of control which is already the perception. We all
know that to some/ many, perception is the reality.
Again, this is my opinion, which I have the right to express and if anyone is in disagreement, please note
that they are my opinions only and it is subject to cross examination with respect to it.
Thank you,
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
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On Thursday, October 24, 2013 12:32 PM, Charles Emer <charlesemer@gmail.com> wrote:
Mr Chairman, thank you very much. As discussed and agreed in our last meeting this is an important
step forward to ensuring we lay the foundation for a disciplined, professionally managed association for
us and future generations of LAONA.
Rather than refer to them as punishment we could use the term "Disciplinary Measures" and or
'Possible Sanctions'
Sarah, you are absolutely right we need to stop the indiscipline and disrepectful arrogance. The LAONA
'Code of Condauct' is is the most appropriate way to deal with any current and future indiscipline.
Thanks
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On Thursday, October 24, 2013 1:50 PM, Sarah Alobo <alobo_sarah@yahoo.com> wrote:
Board Members,
My response to the code of conduct is not for its support or rejection. As I know it, the constitution and
the by-laws are subject to revision to its entirety. Until then, it would be difficult to come up with the
code of conduct. The association as of now is not even in full function, not to mention its
current structure and disorganization in leadership or lacking there of. No one will be subject to
disciplinary action as we are not children. We will be respectful, honest, and transparent in all duties in
respect to our various duties within the association and the code of conduct for such comes naturally.
Again, this is my own opinion.
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
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Board Members,
I am a little concerned that the draft of the Code of Conduct mirrors that of UNAA. Wordings have been
changed to suit LAONA. Such acts binds us to a legal liability especially when we don't acknowledge the
origin of the contents. We need to be mindful of the way we borrow information from other
organizations. LAONA has to be protected.
Thanks
Sarah, Alobo.
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Dear Sarah,
For your information, I have used numerous sources, including but not limited to UNAA, to draft our
LAONA Code of Conduct. I will list all these sources as literature cited, references, or bibliography at the
end of our final document if necessary; no body does for the simple reason that there are only so many
ways different organizations can address differently the provisions of the Code of Conduct. A conflict of
interest is a conflict of interest no matter who writes it and for what organization.
Thanks,
Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
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Thank you Chair. I am glad to know that you indeed used other sources and will cite it in the
final document.
Thank you,
Sarah
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Emer,
I am also a board member for your information. I am also aware that the majority of the board
members agreed to this decision. Emer, this does not stop/ prevent me from voicing my
opinions. Talking of substance, I am specifically on substance here, unless you don't know how
to read and understand my writings. No body is a fool here. Unlike you, I do not just write for the
sake of writing to agree or disagree. I write when I have substance to write. I am not blind and
my interpretation to substance may be different from yours. An ignorant individual would read
my email and understand that it is of quality and substance. Sometimes, arrogance is the
product of ignorance, a form of domination, manipulation, authoritative attitude or outright empty
intellectually. Let us use reason and not suppress opinions shared.
Thanks
Sarah
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On Thursday, October 24, 2013 8:05 PM, Charles Emer <charlesemer@gmail.com> wrote:
Sarah,
I agree am too stupid to see the substance in your responses including this one.
Matter of fact I am hereby requesting you not to communicate with me any more. Please donnot email
or call me. You are way too childish, ignorant and naive for me to deal with.
On LAONA business please address all your inputs to the secretary who will relay to me as and when
relevant. And I mean any business that might cause me to interact with you in any way
I hope I am clear.
Thanks
Charles Emer
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Dear Members,
There is a rumor roaming the village that the Hon Chair of LAONA is proposing the formulation
of a ‘Code of Conduct’ for Lango Association of North America.
It is very interesting that of all people Hon Chair should even contemplate this and think that
this is a noble job he is doing for LAONA. This is baloney; it a complete waste of resources. For a
start, we already have a Constitution and By-Laws that should only be ratified to adapt it to our
organization. But, most important of all, this organization, ‘LAONA’ is a volunteer organization
where everybody in it joins it voluntarily. It is not a Parade where everybody must adhere to,
and abide by the marching orders of the band-master.
Hon Chair, the reason I say that this is a total waste of resources is that instead of focusing on
an agenda, or actionable program for LAONA, the Chair is focusing on how he can control some
members of the association, and prevent positive criticism of his inaction or lack of leadership
style and qualities. The reason these criticisms are coming is because the association is idle, and
the Chair seems stuck in second gear. The chair has failed to realize that he has not created a
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check and balance system in place, he has failed to expand the association to work for the
interest of Langi, he has focused more of disparaging and dividing board members, pitching
some against others, etc.
This is a no-brainers task. Let me put this in context. For those who remember Field Marshal Dr.
Iddi Amin Dada VC, DSO, CBE (Al-Haji); when the realities of national leadership started to sink
in, he realized that the Ugandan constitution and laws could not work for him, so he resorted to
‘Military decrees’ to accomplish his revolution. Some of us ate our own sleepers (flip-flop),
others, perished in Karuma, many more withdrew to village life until they joined their creator.
In other words, instead of focusing on nation building to sustain his revolution and consolidate
his rule, Dr. Iddi Amin resorted to having daily high command meeting to keep coming up with
more decrees. This continued until many Ugandans, including yours truly, picked up arms and
showed Al-haji the safest and quickest path out of the State house.
Now, I hope that this rumor is nothing any more than exactly what it is; but if it turns out that it
is real, we already know who are being targeted by this style of chairmanship. After all the Chair
has already showed that he is capable to divide and rule, and that he has no real agenda for
LAONA. I personally urge members of the Board to kill this draft on arrival, and request the
Chair to consult with the volunteer members about whether this association needs a code of
conduct, and the members will decide on how it will be enforced. But the Chair must first be
reminded that this association is a volunteer membership organization. Nobody here is a child
to him, and he has no rights over the opinions of volunteers who came together to found an
association that should serve us and our children and grand children in North America. We
have all volunteered to found this association in good spirit, and positive state of mind.
He was honored by being given the Chair to run our affairs but not to fight and dictate to us
what he thinks. The United Nations has no jail or Police to whip rogue members states. Every
member pays their dues to earn full membership in it just like we do in LAONA, there must be a
mechanism to address descent, and disputes amongst volunteers. This are what the chair must
be focus on creating and adhere to Uniting Langi, promoting affinity, and sticking to
developmental and progressive agenda for our community. There is no doubt in my mind about
who his real target is in coming up with this "Code of Conduct". Whatever his real motives are,
Hon Chair has proven once again that he is not the kind to lead a cultural and volunteer
organization such as this one, LAONA. Culture does not need a code of conduct.
Thank You,
Jo-jok Amalu
Ben Wacha.
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Code of conduct? It seem we are creating a cult. Am out of this. I don't believe in cult
and I do not subscribe to it. Whatever I have been observing is the Kibwetere kind of
thing and that is why I went silent but very observant.
I would like to withdraw my membership from this association now.
Patrick O. O.
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My Perspective…
The Board of Directors must not assume they understand what the esteemed
members want (or what works best for them), lest they risk running their business
like the Proverbial City Radio DJ who went about his business in his studio - mixing
all what he thought was the latest hits in town, not knowing he had not a single
listener out there. The end result was obviously a collapse of his business, but also
his (self-)perceived fame….
Firstly, I would like to thank Ben squarely for creating this forum, where we can
exercise our freedom of speech. If there is any reason I joined (or, rather,
participated in forming) this Association, it was for no reason but to freely interact
with fellow Countrymen of Lango origin and descent- and to carry this pride of
freedom to generations and generations to come. All other benefits, if any, and I
emphasize – all other benefits -, are secondary.
Along the way, we will carefully unravel all the myths held by mainly technology-
phobic fellows that have somewhat discouraged use of this forum created by Ben.
Most members do not need other benefits; all they need is free interaction. There
is absolutely not reason to hold back for we are not here to harbor an illegal
nuclear ambition, and the like. I would also like to thank our volunteers, the Board
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of Directors, for volunteering to keep our structure in place; never mind at this
time, it is no secret that the structure is dangling like an endangered animal on
life support. As long as we have a forum that binds members together (like this
one), our existence and happiness does not depend on any association
governmental body here – for Ben already reminded us that this is a Volunteer
organization! This is not to mean that a well-organized structure would not be
helpful to us in harnessing the synergy to create mutually benefitting
developments, just like peer institutions are doing.
As long as no imposition is made on us the members, we are just happy and will
carry on with business as usual – expecting positive changes soon, of course. This
brings me to the topic of “code of conduct”. This is a very old idea! In fact, it is an
outdated idea for we already should have the Constitution and the ByLaws that
would take care of these things. Let me put things in perspective, for the benefit
of all – so that my view is not mistaken. I am a strong proponent of “good
conduct”, and everyone must play by the same rules. This does not mean that we
should explicitly create a separate code of conduct. Let us setup a Comprehensive
Constitutional (and ByLaws) Review Committee (consisting of grassroots members
to handle this affair). The Board of Directors must not assume they understand
what the esteemed members want (or what works best for them), lest they risk
running their business like the Proverbial City Radio DJ who went about his
business in his studio - mixing all what he thought was the latest hits in town, not
knowing he had not a single listener out there. The end result was obviously a
collapse of his business, but also his (self-)perceived fame! Evidence to this
growing trend already exists here because the Association has not expanded at all
in a very long time. We even don’t know what to say about Canada! Perhaps,
there is only one Lango in Canada. Instead, the number of registered members is
threatening to decrease! These are bad signs that the style of leadership is not
working! Only a couple of people who pledged to make contributions/donations
have honored – after all these months!
Let the Board not shift goal posts - simply because they are now under intense
pressure from the hawk-eyed members to justify their continued occupation of
their positions. Instead, the time used by the Board to draft and review those
“Code of Conduct” would rather be used to set up actionable plans or agenda to
engage members, instead of caging the Board, just as Ben advised in his
masterpiece. Members will not be stopped from holding the Board accountable.
In fact, we prefer that every Board member communicate to members directly-
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for consultation or any progress that relate to their respective functions, for we
need to know who is performing, and those who are simply “wasting Board
positions”. This is why we see it as ridiculous, having a spokesperson for a 30-
member organization to report everything to the members. It is not to do with
the person serving as the spokesperson. We are aware some Board members are
simply doing nothing, and yet affecting decisions (through votes) in a way that is
not in line with member expectations and realities on the ground! The reason the
whole thing is now stagnant! Moreover, it is monotonous hearing from the same
person (spokesperson) from the Board, no matter who he/she is!
Again, in August 2013, I repeatedly asked that the Board outline the “style of
communication/language” after the email leaks exposed unprofessional
communications within the Board itself. Note that I did not ask for “Code of
Conduct” because we already have the Constitution and ByLaws – that only need
to be revised and ratified through a formal Review Committee, an exercise that
would rather involve the grassroots members. For all these times, no response
was made to my call and requests. It is now surprising to hear that the same
Board that refused to listen to the members before now want to impose on the
members through “code of Conduct!” That’s not how things should be done. Do
not do things because you are now feeling the heat! That is merely treating
symptoms!
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Anyway, what is wrong with the content of this message getting posted on
laonanet? Group lists are used everywhere! Why can’t we happily embrace what
a fellow member has come up with? In this information age? Anyone who does
not know something should ask other experts to explain things to the rest of the
members, otherwise some of the communications is misleading and serve to
frustrate the members. That must change.
Again, I will be a regular on this forum on different topical issues. The fact that I
agreed with Ben on his views today does not mean that I will always agree with
him – and that’s what we call healthy discussion. We must step up here!
Finally, for this piece, let me remind everyone that I am serious about the riddle
that I posted. If all the 30 members were to (individually) submit correct entries,
that would be 30x50 =$1500 donation from me to the association. We have one
month to go, and I will be sending reminders on occasional basis.
Ogole Ogwok
P.S. Most people don’t really know for sure whether I “exist”, so that link to my
photos should demystify that belief. . I don’t update those pages, so don’t
expect any captions, etc. Those are old pics!
..."Jo Lango, most of the best things in life requires team work and dedication. The latest surge in
uproar in this house is a very positive indicator of the level of high energy in our midst as a
blessed community. It's with pride thus that I take this opportunity to call upon all members to use
this powerful revelation with pride and great discretion...." Hudson Ayo 2013.
Hon. members, I am just forwarding this to you from the Treasurer as the email should have
really been addressed to the Board.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
Florence,
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I want to directly be the one to report all account related communication because
I would have first hand information on what to report on. My report will be based
on facts only and nothing less/ more. Yes, you are the spokes person and I
believe that nothing has changed thus far. As treasurer, I will be providing all
financial information such as Bank statements, and so forth as needed and I see
no need to go through anyone else to do so. I hope that I am clear and there is
no misunderstanding.
Thanks,
Sarah, Alobo
Dear Members,
Our focus right now should be on finalizing and instituiting a code of conduct. I personally donnot have
confidence in the Treasurer any longer and will not approve the transfer of any funds to her new bank
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account. Only after she and all members have pledged to abide by a code of conduct shall I continue to
engage.
I suggest that those members who donnot wish to abide by a code of conduct and/or resolutions of the
board be relieved of their membership. That is the only way we can have a civil, viable and sustainable
association. The association will be better off with a few well behaved dignified members than a mass of
arrogant uncivil members.
If for any reason we cannot have a code of conduct then I suggest we desolve this association!!! And
create a new and more viable one. There are many well accomplished Langi who will nolonger join us
because of the current childish and uncivil behavior of our current members
Thank you,
Charles Emer
I have read and clearly see that you do not have confedence in the Treasurer; well its okay to have no
trust in any of us but at this time we are not the only one that elected them. Just like me I have lost
confidence in the Secretary as well as the Chair because they stated in their emails about people having
their associates and bodies, and I consider these statements as dividing the board.
Then if we feel that we can not trust each other because of members who are a "mass of arrogant
uncivil memnbers" per your email then, I agree with you, the association will be better off with a few
well behaved dignified members.
A place where noone is suposed to ask questions, where two people wants to control the affairs of the
association, and association where if you ask questions one is told to shut up or dont send any more
emails? I wonder since you say a mass of uncivil members you are talking about who in particular?
What next?
Betty,
Please don’t take my email out of context. It is just what I have said and nothing else. I will not be part of
an association whose members do not abide by a certain code of conduct, written or unwritten! And
when I say I, I mean Charles Emer.
By the way I have not said anywhere that anyone including the Chair is exempted from appropriate
conduct.
Thanks
Emer:
You are not talking to a child here we are all educated and therefore I am saying I read your email where you
collectively said mass uncivil and arrogant members. No less and no more.
Emer,
Not too long a go you were texting and calling the treasurer to take her out on a date and the
treasurer informed you that she is busy, meaning, not interested and I work all weekends and
off during the week, therefore I can not have any dates with you on the weekends. You
continued to press the need to go out one evening on a Thursday when you leave work. In fact,
you instated that you will skip your workout hours to take me out and I did not agree to that.
Emer, You proceeded to send me pictures of yourself on my phone and asked for mine and I
told you that I did not have any pictures of me to send to you. You asked me to join Facebook to
keep in touch with you and I said no because I prefer to have my life style private. You asked
me if I was seeing someone and I told you that I had a boyfriend. You still seemed not to care
because you thought that you can manipulate me. I asked about your wife and you stated that
you are separated yet in fact you are a married man.
Why didn't I not follow through with your constant disrespect to me?
1. I am a woman of principle, I hold myself sound minded and clear of what I want.
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2. I learnt that you a player and disrespectful of women and would take advantage when given a
chance.
3. You are a show off that is such a turn off because I prefer people who are normal and simple.
5. I was not childish for you to manipulate and take advantage of.
Emer, you are the most uncivil individual I know. You are intimidating and controlling man that I
wish not to be close to. You are not honest, much less two faced. Your flattering way of talking
to me was and has been very uncomfortable for me to the extent that I was confused of who
you are as a grown married man. Until you show some respect to me as a woman, I will not
regard anything that you write. You have no integrity to show.
I know that rejection is painful but please do not mix it with the running of this association.
per haps, you need to withdraw your membership instead of mandating others to be excluded.
How arrogant a statement. This association was created for all lango people and if you want
selective people to be members then go form your own and exercise your authority and
mandates. I have as of then zero respect for you as an individual and a man, although I was
proud and excited for you with your accomplishment. Pride will never take you places.
Thanks
Sarah
On Thursday, October 31, 2013 2:15 PM, Charles Emer <charlesemer@gmail.com> wrote:
Matter of fact if you you continue with defamatory remarks I will seek legal redress. Don't bring my wife
and family into this nonsense, You are not close to her status in any way or form. Why would I want date
you! You are an ugly stupid 30 year old with nothing to show!!!!! I thought you were a friend and fellow
Lango asking me to help you and show you how to gain employment at the UN because you have a dead
end job working at NIGHT shifts. In a cilivised society men and women can be friends does not amount
to dating. You are very very mistaken I know many many beautiful and successful Langi if I was to decide
to be unfaithful to my wife and children whom I love with all my heart!!!
This is unfortunate!
Yes Emer, I know a whole lot of people working at the United Nations that can help. You offered
to help and I was very excited knowing that you were genuine. I can not deny that. You are
indeed a mess. Do you think that I am just making this up. if you are smart, stop sending me an
email. I also have access to legal council. just gather your facts together and I will on my end.
Stop writing to me from now on and stop attaching my name, or title and you wont see an email
from me. As for looks, we all know how you like. No comment on my end. We can also go for
electronic trails for facts.
Thanks
NOVEMBER 2013
---------- Original message ----------
From: Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>
Date: Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:50 PM
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Good evening members. Please find attached the bank account statement for October,
2013. Please note that this statement is for the Bank in Missouri which is still open
pending clearance of payments made to the lawyers assisting with aquiring LAONA's
Tax Exemption Status. As soon as the payments are cleared, the balance of the funds
will be transferred to the new account and the old account will be closed. You will note
that two checks were cleared in October- Check #1003 - payment for the Board's
teleconference services and Check #1004- refund for money used to aquire LAONA's
EIN.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary/Spokesperson, LAONA
Members,
I recently talked about a rumour about the alleged doggy "Code of Conduct" being written by the
Chair for the Board to approve.
Well, that rumor has come to pass, and I have been proved correct. There is a :Code of Conduct:
document currently being prepared by the Chair of LAONA, and as it is said, presenting it to the
Board to rubberstamp it. Good progress members. But some is sinister about the code of
conduct;
First the word is that the document so being prepared has been pulled from the documents of
UNAA. I understand that the document on Cod of Conduct has been copied by the Chair from
that of UNAA, word for word, and the Chair now expects that Members of the Board to rubber
stamp it and declare it the new laws under which LAONA should operate.
1- Hon Chair, as 'Professor' in academia, you know that Plagiarism is wrong, and if caught, the
repercussions are not good at all. And this is not good for LAONA. I urge the Hon Chair, Prof.
Omara-Alwala to be very careful in this track he has taken. He is a Professor, for goodness' sake,
and he knows that this is a slippery route for us as Langi.
2. This is what as members of this great organization did a few days ago, when we voluntarily
offered our Hon Chair a piece of advice on the next steps following the inauguration of the
association. This was done in good faith. Some of us advised the Hon Chair to form up vital
committees to begin working on the way forward for this Association, e.g. committee on
Constitutional and Policy Review, where a few volunteer members would join it to work at these
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kind of documents for ratification by the Board, and approved by the members. And this would
not only authenticate our work for LANGI, but be based on what we as Langi feel about our own
organization.
3. The Hon Chair must realize that even if he had not plagiarized the said document, he still does
not have the legal and moral authority to draw any document that binds us as members of the
Association, or any other persons outside of our Association for that matter. He is just the Chair
of the Board, and there is no where in either our constitution, or by-Laws, that expressly allows
the Chair, or anybody in this Association, never mind the UNAA document, to write or prepare
any such a document in our behalf and shove it down our throats. It is assuming the power which
you do not have. Now tell me why WE members of the association cannot sue the Hon Chair for
acting so recklessly. Tell me why we cannot seek other legal means to remind the Hon Chair that
he is biting more than his mouth can chew.Tell my why we cannot seek a court injunction to stop
this Hon Chair from running amok with his dictatorial tendencies. And Yes, tell me why we
cannot seek the sanctioning of this chairman.
It is time that the Hon Chair should involve other members of the Association on several matters
concerning the administration and running of the affairs of this Association.
This advice is given in good faith to the Chair of the Board of Directors of LAONA.
Thank you,
Ben Wacha
Member LAONA.
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Thanks,
Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
Mr. Chair,
I suppose it was a typo on your part, otherwise a "code of duct" is strange to a lot of us. It is
important that we try to be very accurate especially when clarifying on a thing as grave as an
allegation as plagiarism. Any organization with truly civil members will take such a case
seriously, especially since it is not the first time we are hearing of such an unacceptable practice.
The response we expected was of binary nature: yes/no. No amount of justification will convince
anyone that a "draft" needs to be copy and paste. That's considered dishonesty - from many
fronts, even to the fellow Board members tasked with "changing it as much as possible to make
it look different". It is also called exploitation (of fellow Board members) - a very pervasively
vile practice in our organization that is threatening the zeal (called "loss of track", etc) and the
spirit of volunteerism.
The right question to ask (for a real leader) is: why have most of the people (even though you say
"few") "lost track"?
And since you now decided to communicate directly with the members, bypassing the
spokesperson, we take it that the role has been scrapped. The role was creating more confusion
anyway- serving to shield lazy Board members from the wrath of serious esteemed but members
( angry on genuine grounds).
Caesar
Dear Caesar,
It is never my intention, whatsoever, to get bogged down in a letter writing of this sort.
However, there comes a time when I have to respond to insinuations intended to impugn my
character or credibility. Finally, if it makes you feel good to dwell on what even you recognize as
a typo on my part, please enjoy it; your work is cut out for you!
Thanks,
Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
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I would like to request you to start taking my input as serious because I mean well whenever I
write. Usually, you intentionally evade responding to the most important issues, not knowing we
are keeping track of all these events. And we have been in leadership positions before, so we
take every question/answer/suggestion/etc seriously.
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For example, I did not dwell on typo, if you read my email carefully. It was a BTW. I dwelled
on "plagiarism" - a habit that seems to be getting out of hand. Could put LAONA in serious
problem, let alone demotivate potential volunteers . (ask me how)
I kindly ask you to really get accustomed to responding to real issues! Even those who have
persevered and remained loyal to you are already getting tired of your defensiveness (in copycat
case, for example)- for they know the truth.
Thank you,
Caesar
Dear Members,
Please find the attached. ATTACHMENT [OR
https://s3.amazonaws.com/LaonaHoldMusic/
LANGOASSOCIATIONOFNORTHAMERICAreminderforlegalpledges.pdf ]
Thank you,
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
Dear all,
I thought of sharing this - its interesting.
http://www.newvision.co.ug/news/649523-lango-s-first-palace.html
Alex
Thank you for sharing with us the Link. For your information am one of the Descendants of
Owiny Akullo Arak Ochola.
Thanks.
Tom Opito
Great story! Thanks for sharing Alex. I found the following part interesting because of its transcendental
aspect:
Suddenly, she heard a mysterious voice tell her: “Do not give up, mother. Get up. I will help you make it
through.” It was her unborn baby talking to her.
Before she knew it, she was on her feet going home. Shortly after, she gave birth to a baby boy, without
feeling any labour pains.
From this story, one could argue that a man born in a manger (animal stall) or in the bush or in some not
ordinary way (like described above) is destined for greatness (for even the great Jesus was born in a
bush, so to speak). That would be false reasoning, I guess – to my disappointment! [ I was also born in
the bush, in case you are wondering why… ]
P.S. I have posted a correction of the Lango translation of the ongoing leisure and fundraising riddle,
especially on the journal entry part - below. Thanks to the keen eye of one of our active members!
Keep submitting. Closing date: Nov 24
Dear all,
I thought of sharing this_
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_n5B9nPsdI
Dear Alex,
Thank you for the u-tube video. I absolutely loved it and brought fresh memories of our
beloved former President of the Republic of Uganda.
I also noticed that the president never used a script / speech prepared on a piece of
paper to address hundreds of thousands of Ugandans in attendance. That was Lango
brilliance at its finest and a legitimate true leader on display.
Thank you
Sarah.
I have just watched the Youtube video. Sarah said exactly what I wanted to say! I'm very
impressed by the eloquence and the amount of substance in his speech! This is my first time to
listen to the speech of the former Ugandan President! His speech, not read from a script is of the
standards of Obama, Clinton, etc.
Next year - going forward, we need to fire up our LAONA Convention with a range of speakers
delivering serious and live speeches like that in the video. (I don't mean political manner)! I
didn't attend the LAONA Inaugural Convention, - so I can't know whether I missed that great
part!
Keep on sharing great and diverse stuff like these Alex! I learnt a lot from these.
Caesar Ogole
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Ceaser,
I have got the configuration of the entire goings-on. But the only thing that tells me
something is that A speaks with F (apparently F tells him something about B). So A then
approaches B and they talk over something. The next thing A strikes B.
That is the only time that two classic contacts show up between any two people.
So that is what makes me to speculate that F accused B to A; A then takes action on B
after confronting B.
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Good luck.
Ben Wacha
Member, LAONA.
Dear all,
Caesar Ogole
Omego Caesar,
Thank you for this tremendous message that will positively benefit the entire Lango
community.
I feel that, the Lord may have led you through the entire writing; nothing seems to have
been missed out that I can contribute. But rather to convey my sincere appreciation for
your effort and openness in sharing your opinion without stepping on anyone’s toe. This
is a true Lango spirit.
With deep love, I would like to thank all the Langi in N America for all the efforts
rendered in your daily performance in various capacities, kuc Obanga bet botwan ducu
ikare man me Thanks giving.
Omego Caesar mention about “Violence against Women”, this is a project that we may
pursue right away if the members are interested in pursuing because there is a call for a
grant proposal in this area by the UN Trust Fund: https://grants.unwomen.org/
And I would suggest that some people could volunteer now to write this proposal to
meet the deadline January 22, 2014.
This kind of Projects would benefit the Lango community here and at home.
The next question would be, under which organization shall we apply for this project.
The answer is that; there are some NGOs belonging to some Lango Communities in the
US and they have repeatable repetitions, and I have contacted some owners who
showed positive response, it would remain to the volunteer writers brainstorm and
choose one when the right time comes.
Concerning Omego Caeser’s suggestion of letting our voice be hard, I concur with him
because silence will not solve any problem among our dear community here and at
home. Let us wake up once more and communicate our ideas for the benefit of our
community.
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I would like to end my message with a few suggestion that let us reunite and forgive
each other, and ask our God Almighty to give us the Agape love for each other. We can
not claim to “love God whom we have not seen at any time” 1 John 4:12 when we don’t
love our fellow Langi who live in N America and worldwide.
Note en Teko
Rehema Apio
I love women so much- that if that UN project is not exclusive to women only, count on me to help in
writing that project proposal (on violence against women)!
Caesar
I think any gender can write. More volunteers? I will share my Thanks giving funs tomorrow.
Rehema Apio
I love women so much- that if that UN project is not exclusive to women only, count on me to help in
writing that project proposal (on violence against women)!
Caesar
ATTACHMENT:
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Ceaser,
This is a great letter/Report. I wish this one could be posted on our website. I wish many people
from the high table could only read and listen to themselves.
In fact as a result of your letter, I am opening up the membership in this forum to all as long as
they remain Langi, and therefore, by your context, they have automatic membership in the
organization. All that is left for them to just formalize their existence in the community.
Good writing.
H.B. Wacha
Member (LAONA)
You reminded me of some interesting stories when you recently talked of "P.6
essay" -a report which I am still curiously waiting to see! Anyway, here are some
quick true stories that I would like to share about my background in writing so that
nothing occurs to you as a surprise, going forward:
1. On some hot boring sunny afternoon when everyone but my father and myself
were home alone (which was very unusual for such a large family), my father
invited me to join him under the tree shade where he was seated reading his
favorite “Leadership” magazine – a monthly (or so) Diocesan publication in
English. He chose a paragraph from the magazine and asked me to read it allowed.
I struggled with it, I think – but from what I remember, he told me, “Some day, my
son, you will also be able to write like this.” I was in P.2 then.
2. The next year, when I was promoted to P.3 – I started reporting back to school
for afternoon classes (after a short lunch break). On this otherwise average day, I
was a couple of minutes late, and I was intercepted for “late-coming”. English-
speaking was compulsory, and most pupils would rather keep quiet the entire day
than risk being caught speaking vernacular (Leb Lango). Well, when this teacher
who knew and liked me intercepted me for late-coming, our English conversation
went like this:
Teacher: OK, but you are late! Anyway, is your father at home?
Caesar: Yes.
(The teacher laughed her head off, and just let me go without any punishment for
late-coming. Well, I had also escaped penalty for vernacular-speaking by
speaking English only. Wearing dog skulls until you “pass it” to the next
vernacular speaker was the punishment for speaking vernacular. )
[In fact, this teacher went on to become the head teacher for St. Catherine Girl’s
School, and the last time I heard about her (5 or so years ago), she was/is head
teacher for Lira Town College – so some of you might know her].
3. Two years after (P.5) my father had completed teaching me (mostly at home) all
the drills in “Junior English Composition and Grammar”, by John A.
Bright (Author) , Cranmer Kalinda (Author, Editor), – I had to pass the mega
assignment before I could graduate. I had to write a composition. And I did it.
After my father read through my essay, he convened an emergent family meeting.
“Who helped Caesar write his essay? I wanted him to do everything by himself!”
“Not me!”, “Not me!” – were the responses that all the many elder brothers and
sisters gave. I was graduated with a “Masterpiece!” – “but next time, use local
names such as ‘Okello’, ‘Apio’, etc – not the textbook ‘Musoke’, ‘Juma Saidi’ “,
he remarked.
So writing is not strange to me, and I love it – although I had taken some well-
deserved break from it. I have participated in, (and have received several
recognitions) in many national and international essay writing contests since that
graduation ceremony (See 3 above). I am just rewarming myself. When I am not
writing semi-formal stuff like I do at LAONA, I’m probably
doing scientific/technical stuff. “C’est la vie!”, as we say it French.
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Of course, I love and enjoy delivering formal speeches too. I can’t stand being part
of a Conference and just keep quiet! But that’s me and what I enjoy! Everyone is
different!
Happy weekend!
Caesar
Omego Caeser,
Thank you for sharing some of the things that brings joy to you. Through sharing, we may come
to know each other better.
What are some of things that take away your joy?
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Langi me amara, note that this forum is open to all the Langi, therefore, feel free to share some
of your stories so that we may come to know you better.
What brings me joy is seeing a united and respectful Langi who work as one body in harmony.
Bible quotes, “How good and pleasant it is when brother/sisters live together in unity”. Psalms
133:1
And when people make “every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace”.
Ephesians 4:3
What takes away my joy is when my own people are divided amongst themselves and
disrespect each other, utters vulgar words against each other, that takes away my joy, (Bible
quotes), for “if a house is divided against itself, that house will not be able to stand”. Mark 3:25
For that reason, let’s us forge unity and love among ourselves. NOTE EN TEKO
Langi me amara, (Loving Langi), kindly share what brings you joy/happy and what takes away
your joy/happiness.
Lastly, we shall end with the Quran quote of Surah Fatiha 1:2, Allah (God) is most
Compassionate and most Merciful. Therefore, He will forgive us if we repent from our disunity,
disrespect and hates for each and forge a united, loving Lango Community of N America.
Kede mar adit
Rehema Apio.
Thank you so much for your involvement in this forum with the seriousness it deserves.
This is what we as Langi need the most. As Lango, we have the opportunity to reach
great heights, just as many of us have done and showed. We gave birth to LAONA
without a gun shot or name calling, why should we resort to name calling and cursing
after we have gone that far. But above all, why have fallen back to :assuming the
where-with-all to determine which Lango is the right one, and which one is 'enemy' of
the people? Which people?
I think this forum is open to all Langi, and Lango. And I appeal to anyone out there,
who, for reasons other than technical, has been left out, to let us know or follow the
instructions on how to be subscribed to LAONA. This is your forum and you belong
here. I quote Rehema when she responded by saying this is where she belongs.
Yes Youth and Adults, girls and Boys, this is where you belong. I encourage especially
the Youth, to get involved at this time of their lives so that they become the stewards of
their community.
Subscribe and begin to interact with all the rest.
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Ben Wacha,
Member LAONA.
DECEMBER 2013
Bank account scandal: Episode 4
Dear LAONA members, please find attached for your review the bank account
statement for November, 2013. Please note that this statement is for the Bank in
Missouri which is still open pending clearance of payments. You will see that two
checks cleared in November for a total of $1,000. Check #1005 for $600 made to
the organizaton (ACANA) assisting with aquiring LAONA's Tax Exemption Status and
check #1006 for $400 which went to the IRS directly.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary/Spokesperson, LAONA
Dear Secretary,
Thank you for the timely report and for helping in the absence of the treasurer. I am
having trouble understanding the logic here, and I will appreciate clarification from you
at your earliest convenience.
Is this an error?
2. In this email that accompanied the October 2013 bank statement (see below), you
stated that as soon as the checks #1005 and #1006 were cleared, ”the balance of the
funds will be transferred to the new account and the old account will be closed”. Looking
at the attached bank statements, check #1005 ($600.00) was cleared way back on
Nov. 15 and check #1006 ($400.00) was cleared way back on Nov. 26.
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Has the transfer been to the new account already since all the checks were already
cleared - since Nov 26? If not, why not?
Thanks,
Caesar Ogole
Dear LAONA members, please find attached for your review the bank account
statement for November, 2013. Please note that this statement is for the Bank in
Missouri which is still open pending clearance of payments. You will see
that two checks cleared in November for a total of $1,000. Check #1005 for
$600 made to the organizaton (ACANA) assisting with aquiring LAONA's Tax
Exemption Status and check #1006 for $400 which went to the IRS directly.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary/Spokesperson, LAONA
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Hello Caesar,
First of all I would like to make it clear that I am not helping in the absence of the
Treasurer – just so there is no confusion about that. I am aware of her absence but the
Treasurer never asked me or anyone else I know to act on her behalf while she is away.
The monthly bank statement for November that I sent out to the members was as usual
from the Chair.
There is no error regarding the payments I made reference to in the email. There are at
the moment pending payments waiting for settlement. Details may show up in the next
statement.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary/Spokesperson, LAONA
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You asked, "Has the transfer been to the new account already since all the checks were already
cleared - since Nov 26? If not, why not?"
No, the transfer to the new account has not yet taken place. The old bank account in Missouri
remains open until further notice as a convenient administrative means for the Chair to settle
easily LAONA's still pending financial obligation to ACANA, the organization that has filed the
application on behalf of our Association for its IRS nonprofit tax exemption status.
Thank you,
Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
Mr. Chair,
Let me start by clarifying that my postings are done effortlessly because I have correct/
true information at my fingertips starting from day one (results for the survey 1)! It is
more difficult and time-consuming to “obsessively” sustain fabricated facts, like
in your case – the reason you sometimes go AWOL.
Let me address the following issues regarding LAONA as an organization for the
people/members. I may repeat certain things, which I already had mentioned before in
very clear terms, but you seem not to get it!
1. I find your inconsistent and contradicting responses and postings very
unprofessional, especially since you claim to have support for the Association to have
only the spokesperson to communicate official matters. You really make our dear
Secretary look bad (incompetent) in public because you ask/use her to relay
information, and yet when she is asked (in a healthy but challenging manner), you – as
Chair - jump in and start saying people are attacking the Secretary! You have caused a
lot of strains in our good relationship with our humble Secretary by [you] opting to use
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her “selectively” as a spokesperson. I would like to make members know today that the
Secretary is simply being used to broadcast messages so that people like us who [used
to] enjoy warm relationship with the seemingly naturally amiable Secretary do not get to
ask her questions in a challenging manner in public. However, as a person who has
extensive leadership experience from various successful organizations and who has
worked to create this association from day one (and the Secretary knows this since I
was her “buddy” when she just ‘joined’), I will not stop asking tough questions. I would
like urge the many members who also made similar observations to continue with that
“hawk-eyed-ness” and not bow to this obvious trickery. We need clear-headed
leadership, and not appeal to pity, appeal to force and/or inappropriate appeal to
authority – all of which are forms of fallacious arguments that I referred to the now very
popular Thanksgiving message/report.
Mr Chair, give our Secretary a chance to think and act independently otherwise you
may make people draw conclusions (e.g. that she is a puppet, being manipulated, etc)
especially if you jump in (with rage) to help her respond to challenging questions.
Members once had a lot of confidence in her abilities.
2. As Chair and CEO of LAONA, I find your letter below to the
Secretary/Spokesperson for our Association very unprofessional and offensive. What is
this insinuation about the T-Shirt/hats payments you are talking about?
And since when did you become CEO of LAONA? Don’t just copy what the 26-year
old Chair/CEO of UNAA does? UNAA leadership structure is different from ours! You
are Chairman of LAONA Board of Directors, not Chairman/CEO of LAONA!
If you have an axe to grind with the Chair, please address your concern to me
directly but not indirectly through our honorable Secretary or anyone else in my
Administration.
Mr. Chair, it would be illogical for me to respond with questions (directed to the
Chair) when, in fact, the emails are coming from the Secretary. Again, you are using
the Secretary as a shield to spread dubious information, and when we question, you
say we are attacking her. The Secretary must realize this by now.
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If finds that she must keep working under duress (at the risk of her hard-earned
reputation), she must take a cue from the UNAA Council Secretary who resigned
only a couple of days ago. All the members know that no one has issue against the
Secretary, but she is being used a shield – which is serving as an impediment to
what should be natural progress of organization.
On this note, I would like to encourage our members who have persevered under
the tough circumstances where we see nothing developmental coming form the
Chair, other emails that seem to suggest that he is only perfecting his skills in
defensiveness. Keep your cool! Hopefully, things will get better
I want the members of our Association to know today that I am very much aware of your
continuing open and mostly overt activities to undermine our on-going effort to build a
stronger Association.
Our members are very respectable people who cannot be fed with inconsistent reports.
This month, you say “pending payments”. Next month, you give another reason, and
next month, another one! And the so-called bank account is dwindling to zero. No
member has subscribed in ages! No member has honored pledges towards legal fee in
ages, save for a few who have started depositing their donations in the new Nation-wide
(in fact, international) TD Bank account!
All these should speak volumes to you Mr. Chair! We are trying to use every civil means
to mediate unwanted conflicts, name-calling, etc – but you are bent on your lines that
are clearly not working! You think I didn’t have a great vision when I helped create this
association from day one?
In addition, I want the members to know that the behavior such as yours has miserably
tarnished the image of our Association.
No, it is you who is using ridiculous methods to make it appear that you created this
association single-handedly, e.g. by using overt/blatant methods of donating extra $2 on
top of what our naturally “would-be” highest donor gave. (Refer to your $142 donation).
Everybody sees these, and wonders why you shouldn’t focusing on developing and
sharing comprehensive plans with members instead of fighting tooth and nails to control
everything (e.g. bank account). We thought we should let the younger, energetic
Treasurer run around depositing the little checks, while you – the respected elder
should be focusing on bigger strategic plans. (formerly
http://www.laonaweb.org/strategic_plan.aspx )
Now, we are getting into the third quarter and no development plan shared with
members yet, and you are blatantly asking members to keep keeping quiet? Let’s get
serious with leadership!
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The fact that the majority of our members have not joined you in your obsessive
postings on this forum speaks volumes of where they stand. I applaud them for their
stand. I will not let you succeed as long as I have the honor to be the Chair and the
CEO of this fledgling Association.
You are assuming too much Mr. Chair. You are a Chair, yes – but you are not a CEO.
Why do you develop all these fantasies? My posting is not obsessive. I will not let you
feed us wrong/inconsistent information, and you expect to go unquestioned or held
accountable!
You should know better since you are a UNAA Council member. You see that you can’t
just wake up and just say anything and expect the shrewed members to just let you go!
But it doesn’t now surprise our members that UNAA are considering “outsourcing” their
leadership!
I applaud our members! We need strong leaders who can do real things, instead of just
holding and adding new titles to their positions. Otherwise, I don’t know what I should be
calling myself: Member Emeritus /volunteer/counselor/mediator/ etc
Let’s do real work instead of being defensive! You will soon get to understand what
these “obsessive postings” mean!
You are not a member of the Board of Directors or of the Executive. You are not privy to
the Board or the Executive decisions. Who are you to be demand for answers from any
members of the Board or the Executive?
Mr. Chair, what is this big deal about being a member of Board of Directors? You seem
to think it is a very powerful position that you can use to override members’
power/suggestions/power.
And again, you should know I opted out of the Board because I don’t look at positions
as if it were such a power that I can use for my personal benefits. I can still contribute
ideas, money, etc even though I am not part of the Board.
And, I don’t have to be privy to the Board decisions, but when information is presented
to members, they must add up, otherwise you don’t expect to be playing simple,
elementary tricks on esteemed members. Members deserve much better than that. For
example, if you say something in the month of October, a follow-up in the month of
November must be consistent. Does that require a member to be privy with the Board?
And you intentionally withhold information from members (through ambiguities, through
selectively using “Spokesperson”, etc), so that you keep using your excuse “you lack
Board information”, you are not privy!” Then, give us the information that we lack and
bail yourself out. If not, don’t expect members to blindly believe you! We created this
association with a clear sense of purpose, not for manipulation.
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Please, this is a chance for you to build your legacy – in this particular line. Make good
use of it.
Manipulation will not only lead to failure and disunity, but it will tarnish your reputation!
Like all the members of this association, I am very determined to have LAONA and
Lango get to grow (again)! And that includes ZERO TOLERANCE FOR
MANIPULATION!
Ask yourself: “If I am doing the right thing, why can’t I convince my other colleagues,
friends and even enemies to join the association? Why am I stuck with nothing to show
for progress (except the Missouri Bank Account) which, by the way, was created during
the good old days when I as entrusted as the Facilitator?”- when you had the power to
single-handedly open a bank account and relay “BREAKING NEWS!”
Not anymore! Not any more my brother, Mr. Chair! Members have absolute power now!
And please, find another set of words instead of the archaic, ... very "unprofessional..."!
Best wishes,
Caesar
To: cogole@gmail.com
Cc: Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>, Betty Odero <crcf1@yahoo.com>, Sarah
Alobo <alobo_sarah@yahoo.com>, Kenneth Otim <k.otim01@gmail.com>, Edisa Engola Kema
<edisa1@gmail.com>, Patrick Okullu <peboo@me.com>, Hudson Ayo
<ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, Odyek Agona <oagona@hotmail.com>, Charles Owot
<owotc@yahoo.com>, Alex Atim <atimalex@hotmail.com>, Ben Magomu Wacha
<bmwacha@outlook.com>, Tom Opito <opito.tom@gmail.com>, Morris Otim
<morrisotim005@gmail.com>, “Owiny Otim” <otimowin@yahoo.com>, "“Robert M. Okello”"
<okello_robert@yahoo.com>, “Mary Ajuga” <ajugamary@yahoo.com>, “Betty Pulle”
<adiyo1@verizon.net>, Daniel Oming <dkikonde@gmail.com>, Margaret Jato
<mlagulu@hotmail.com>, Charles Emer <charlesemer@gmail.com>, Mildred Amony Omara
<mildred.omara@yahoo.com>, Engola Omodi <mamaelder9@gmail.com>, Helen Apio
<rosehelly@yahoo.com>, Hon Sam Bhoi Omara Olwata <bhoisam2002@yahoo.co.uk>, Jack
Oyugi <jackoyugi@verizon.net>, Maureen Akello <mmtimzzak@gmail.com>, “Milly Akide”
<millyakide301@gmail.com>, Sam Ogwali Opiyo <samopiyo19@yahoo.com>, “Catherine
Ocen” <catherineocen@yahoo.com>
1. Thank you Mr. Chair,
humble beginning for you, why I am surprised you have taken to disrespecting everyone who made you.
Until you are kicked out, you won’t understand the power that the real-makers of things have!
4. I was the elected Facilitator of its creation.
Yes, no one is disputing. You were elected, after a fairly firmer foundation (see 2 above) was set for you.
After people had helped you gain popularity among the many other great potential candidates. It is good
to know we still have these great candidates here!
3. I know everyone's voluntary contributions to the formation of our Association.
Good that you know that you know people’s voluntary contributions. Yours is also a voluntary contribution,
right? But why don’t you genuinely reflect that in your speeches, and written records? So people get to
know you did all by yourself? So you have a ground to disrespect, bully, dictate, etc?
4. I was the one who invariably asked them to volunteer to serve in the various capacities and they
accepted my invitations.
You had no choice but to “invariably” ask them to volunteer. That is the least that what was expected of
you as a facilitator, so it is nothing outstanding! And people accepted because people had
trust/confidence in you (at that time). People wanted the association to grow, and they were not hungry
for power, so they did not refuse to accept to volunteer. They had much expectations in you, in brief.
5. Afterwards, I was the one who was elected as the founding Chair of the Association.
True, because as a Facilitator, you had the backing of the volunteers who helped you look fairly good by
giving you technology reports to send out, while you chanted, “LAONA is unstoppable!” etc. But, the
nomination exercise was not unfair. There were many conflicting interests, but you usurped that
opportunity to sell yourself, only for you to turn a completely different person – not welcoming people to
challenge you (with questions) once you were elected! Your responses mostly do not add up, etc. And
that’s what we continue to observe!
Of course some of the new people who just came to learn more at the Convention for the first time didn’t
know all these, - why I am careful not to argue with them, for they may think I am just chaotic – yet not. It
may take them a while to understand and see for themselves what I mean. No one, including myself
cared if you were elected Chair, for I still had some faith in you – although you suppressed my opinion to
have a fair nomination where people would campaign openly prior to the Convention.
We would not be having all these levels of mistrust among us, only if we had allowed time for people to
express their interests for the offices. We would also have all competent people on the Board. I still
believe we have a fairly good number of competent people, but you are using your “authoritarian
leadership” – mainly because you are presenting yourself as the maker of all the things, which is far from
truth. Tell us, what have you done for the association besides creating logo/T-shirts and opening the bank
account (that you can’t let go – even for the sake of UNITY!) that we haven’t done? And you created the
Constitution with the help/support of a few people. Why can’t you acknowledge that publicly? So that new
people keep thinking you are the magic creator of all these, and therefore give you excessive
respect/adoration?
It is why I say that we must not turn around and start disrespecting any fellow Board members or regular
members! You opted not to have an open Campaign before Convention, yet I reasoned it out that – that
would help us understand each other better. Now, you don’t need to be tossing any Board member – for
any reason! Focus on your role as Chair. Let Treasurer do her job! Let Secretary do her job, and not
under duress! We have confidence in those people – and not you alone!
Let Vice Chair do her job, etc! Listen to members! Let things be participatory!
Now that you are the Chair, show us the equivalent of the “technology progress report” so we can chant
“LAONA is unstoppable” – instead of clinging on Missouri village bank. With this bad economy, what if the
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single location village/community bank goes bankrupt? Then the entire LAONA of North America will got
stuck more! Let’s shift to TD Bank without further rationalization of “ACANA”, etc. Those talks of yours
don’t hold water. Let the younger energetic Treasurer take the burden of running around with small
checks while you focus on bigger things: strategic plans!
I do not need for you or for anyone else to lecture me on who did what, where and when.
As long as you don’t disrespect anyone! As long as we (re)write the history accurately, otherwise we will
keep letting new members know the past so they can understand the status quo. That won’t be lecturing
you. It will be informing members, but hopefully, we won’t have to do that if things change for the better!
The office of the Secretary must keep accurate records; otherwise all these distorted facts are
unacceptable. No one has that time to lecture these things anyway. If you wanted full control of an
organization (with people who obey you blindly), you would have formed your own private association!
I am very particularly knowledgeable of the extent of your personal contributions to this Association.
Then tell people about it. If it is not complete and accurate, I will provide more substantiated facts! Don’t
start writing things to undermine anyone! We are very respected people wherever we go, in case you are
not aware!
Although you are entitled to your opinion, please do not underestimate the intelligence, knowledge and
wisdom of the silent majority of our members.
We do things with reason, not appealing to the pity/sympathy!
Before I forget it, let’s not divert from the topic. The topic is/was:
Again, what payments are pending? And why the shift of goal posts after clearance of #1005 and
#1006? We need to have that old transfer done and account done before our mighty Treasurer
returns from her holidays! I am afraid she won’t be very happy if things are still “pending”!
We don't want to carry this mess into the new year, unless we really have time to continue playing these
very simple word tricks at the expense of our reputation. And these electronic trails (emails) serve as
evidence/premises for future arguments - just so we all know.
Thank you,
Caesar
P.S. I just read the long email “{Laonanet} Letter to Chair, LAONA” . Can we have a comprehensive
response to that?
destructive argumentative posture just to try to prove that they were the smartest kid on the
block? No body cares! Hello! It’s a cultural organization!
Thanks,
Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
Your arguments are still very wanting! It makes perfect sense why you often decide to
go AWOL: because you cannot sustain discussion in principled or objective manner!
Now you are rationalizing that it is “culture”. Which culture promotes false reasoning!?
It makes sense why the gentle and couth members do not engage you in discussions
on this forum- except a few, like me,who have decided (and will) to continue to write
for important reasons. I am somewhat embarrassed by your line of arguments and
phony dispositions which you call “culture”.
That said, let me address the specifics again – hopefully I will succeed in inculcating
these things into you. [Otherwise, I am curiously waiting to see how far you will go
with you leadership].
You said: I do not know about you but if you are like me your plate would be too full
with more important things to do than with your incessant letter writing pretty much
ado about nothing, except to whine and grind about things that are mostly none of
your business in the first place, or simply to try to draw attention to your self.
Mr. Chair, having a job and a family is not something that you have to go ranting and
raving about! People started having families and jobs long time ago – the very reason(s)
we exist- one could argue like that! And, they don’t go using it as excuse for failing to
perform in other obligations! Some people have even more demanding jobs (and/or
yes, also very highly paid) but that’s not an issue that one should even go about on
this forum.
That, combined with your attempt to shamelessly draw attention to yourself, read
what you wrote to your fellow members. It speaks for itself.
“The Chair has not received as many phone calls from individuals contrary to his
expectation. The Chair needs a break like everyone else! The Chair does not get
remuneration for being the Chair of LAONA. The Chair has a full time job and a family
as well to take care of like most everyone. The Chair deserves in every bit as much
understanding as everyone else on the Board. Nevertheless, the Chair welcomes frank
open discussions on every question or issue about the Association. The Chair resents
divisive behavior.”
Tell us, who is that person ranting and raving, whining and grinding that he has not
received many phone calls contrary to his expectation? Why do you like cheap
attention? Talking about jobs and family, how many people are cultural leaders and
have many other bigger demands?
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It makes perfect sense now why Ben coined the word “okwonification”. I am seeing a
light at the tunnel where I can aptly apply it.
Let me give you a few tips if you want natural attention drawn to you:
a) Do you job of Chairmanship perfectly, and stick to your role – not Treasurer's!
And not using Secretary as weapon/shield to advance your dubious goals. That’s not
culture. Culture does not promote false reasoning!
b) Or, write original articles like I did (for Thanksgiving) instead of copying and
pasting gomesi articles or UNAA code of conduct, etc.
Start with the above and you will have natural attention drawn to you. Forget about
that tactic of telling people not to use Wikipedia because you are a prof, and then you
turn around and use the same Wikipedia. This type of “inappropriate appeal or misuse
of authority”- a form of fallacious argument, which will not earn you natural attention!
It will not help you maintain your leadership either!
Moreover, you must understand that in this age, there is something called “multi-
tasking” – a term borrowed from the digital technology world. Every knows you are so
afraid of, and challenged by technology. I was surprised that all along you had never
even heard of “skype”! And it took many many hours for someone to remotely help you
install it on your computer! And you have the guts to even mention the name ill-fated
software! That exercise that I carried out was to leverage the LAONA crowd to help me
in my requirements elicitation. That’s what they call being smart. Get it right. Whether
or not you accepted it was/is not an issue! The original target clients were different.
But I also wanted to make LAONA grow, by building confidence in members through
“progress reports”. You don't get it! We don things for reason(s) beyond the ordinary
things that linger in your mind.
And who told you it is not my business to ask about the inconsistencies? Let me
dissect it for you!
Here is a situation where the Chair asks the Secretary to send out a November bank
statement to members “for your review”. Shrewd members review the bank statement,
and find some fabricated information or inconsistencies. A member asks a question,
directing it to the sender of the original email (who happens to be Secretary). The
Secretary makes all [seemingly genuine] effort to respond, but her response falls short
of the member expectations. The member delves deeper by asking more specific
questions. The Secretary, for whatever reason, cannot confront the fire, and she ducks
and runs. The Chair appears from nowhere, enraged – asking why the member who
asked the question is “attacking” the Secretary. The Chair misuses his authority and
diverts the topic and refuses to answer the question.
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If all leaders were like these, life would be very hard, if even possible!
You wrote, “Only Caesar and Ben supported your Constitution openly at that time! It
makes sense why you want to keep them far away so you can keep exerting you
tyrannical power."
I have nothing personal against you and Ben. However, isn’t it rather strange that you
are the usual two members out the over 30 members we have in the Association, who
are often posting negative stuffs about the Chair or Board members as the case may
be?
You say there are only two? We don’t need to many people to be posting the same
stuff. That would be called “duplication of efforts” – which is a waste!
You say only two people keep positing, how about the treasurer – who has given you a
big break? How about that positing from your vice. And how about this new posting
today with the following interesting maxim:
=> Time for excuses are over and members want to see actions and way forward rather
than bedo deng adenga bala Ogwal-Ogwal agweno tye atongo.
You said: Do I need to remind you that Ben had an opportunity to serve as an
honorable Board member but quit the Board membership through his own volition?
You must ask yourself why he left that “golden opportunity”. You are a first class, odd
person at fantasizing, by mere fact that you call it “golden opportunity”. Again, it is
called living in denial. And yet Ben continues to be a regular contributing, who is
gaining popularity among the majority day by day! In this age you still fear using the
google-group? Is our culture supposed to be techno-phobic? No way! We are not going
backwards! You are not going to succeed in taking us back to those old days – called
antediluvian times!
You said: In addition, do I need to remind you that you too had a golden opportunity
to make a real contribution to the Association with your ill-fated software initiative but
you chose to withdraw it from our consideration for reasons we can only speculate but
best known to you?
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Mr. Chair, you are such a technology-phobic person that it would take ages to get that
fear (of technology) from you! If it could take many many hours for a person to
remotely help you install skype, how then can you even have the guts to say “ill-fated”
software? You don’t even realize that even the survey tool that I used to help with the
polls is called software!
And, there is this term that I have always used, but it seems it is exotic to you –
because you and technologies seem to have a grudge. I have repeated, time and again,
that I was leveraging the LAONA crowd to do requirements elicitation! Measurements
of target end user attitudes (like yours) are also one of the key components, because
we need to understand the psychological settings of the potential users. You just
provided a perfect case study – and our new product line of software is in the offing –
with all these end user anticipated fears factored in! It is not like fish farming where
you just go and throw fish eggs in the water, and come back to harvest it after
whatever months. You know that area better!
Anyway, let me make clear to members why Mr. Chair was against the technology:
1. I had ignored his advice – when he asked me NOT to include the names of other
members in the demonstration report. He considers those people enemies, but the
Chair must understand that his enemies are not ours! So he ended up hating the
“software” too!
2. I had criticized his meaningless “anywhere and everywhere” utterances, and I
went ahead to develop a complete technical solution – which made the Chair (then a
facilitator) look bad. He was presenting himself to be knowing everything, including
digital technologies, until I proved that he dreads technologies like “kalalang”! [And
this solution, is being taken up by Google – so that talk of ill-fated is sheer ignorance
on part of the technology-phobic Chair!]
3. I had challenged him when I announced my candicacy. Although mine was a
mock candidacy, I did it because the Chair had started exhibiting his ego-centric
behavior, e.g. he wanted to be the only speaker for all the two days at the Philly
Convention. I got a report of how good a speaker he is anyway. It is culture, he says!
You said: Listen; in a cultural association such as ours, it is always wise to think twice
before you leap about anything.
That’s why I asked you think twice about “members and friends” classification when
every one is a Lango. It doesn’t make sense. You are not trying to miseducate me here,
and I hope you will not try it again. I am far too advanced for that kind of childish
counsel/advice. You could not even attempt to solve the fundraising riddle, and you
think you can play with my mind through elementary tricks? Let’s get serious with
reasoning Mr. Chair. Let me break it to you. There are three main methods of mind-
control: FEAR, OBLIGATION AND GUILT- and you are trying to use some of these
things on our members, including your fellow board members – but that strategy is
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already outdated. You do it only at your own risk! I write/respond so that other people
get to know you better!
You said: There is no need for you or anyone else to always assume an unnecessary
self destructive argumentative posture just to try to prove that they were the smartest
kid on the block? No body cares! Hello! It’s a cultural organization!
This one is a classic fallacious argument, mostly used by losers. Please, stay away
from it! We are determined to make Lango develop, at last! You don’t seem to get it
even after I keep pumping things into you. Such things you say won’t move or change
me. I didn’t say those words. It is your own observations, and I am not responsible for
it. Just thank God some of these things have made you what you are! It has helped
some of us to come out of the isolated farmlands to join fellow Lango people, finally.
Let’s not continue with the anti-social behavior! It is now a new world!
And thank you very much for discarding that very outdated “Yours truly” thing.
Before I forget it, let’s not divert from the topic. The topic is/was:
Again, what payments are pending? And why the shift of goal posts after clearance of
#1005 and #1006? We need to have that old transfer done and account done before
our mighty Treasurer returns from her holidays! I am afraid she won’t be very happy if
things are still “pending”!
We don't want to carry this mess into the new year, unless we really have time to
continue playing these very simple word tricks at the expense of our reputation. And
these electronic trails (emails) serve as evidence/premises for future arguments - just
so we all know.
Caesar
P.S Reread my original report before you try to respond. Ask questions if you don’t
understand a thing.
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Caesar,
Let's get this right. The Secretary CAN confront any fire on this forum and CAN go toe
to toe with anyone on this forum as well, when necessary. The Secretary never ducked
or ran as you state in your email. The Chair wanted to address the questions himself
directly. That is all there is to it.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary/Spokesperson, LAONA
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Florence,
Thank you for letting us know that you can confront fire on this forum and that that you can toe to toe
with anyone on this forum as well, when necessary. Indeed that's what we expect of everyone here. I
am particularly aware that you can do that, from your past performances (See forwarded email below).
However, you missed my point. Why do you selectively respond- and dash off (duck and run) when the
probing gets deeper and deeper, and then you end up saying, "the Chair wanted to address it himself".
Why ?
And the point is not about going "toe to toe". If only you provided straightforward (uncompromised)
reports at the first instance, there would be no need for the "toe to toe" . Really. Like I said, it is very
expensive/consuming to sustain fabricated information.
And like our Treasurer once advised: "We can not just put words together to explain our way out of
things. Words only connects when the truth is told."
Caesar
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Sincerely,
Florence ocen
Secretary, LAONA
Florence,
The issue here is the use of a personal debit card. Why didn't you
use a check to make such arrangements? What makes you think that
Alex would use his debit card and provide his personal information and
expect LAONA to be sent the bill? I am buffaloed by your reasoning. We
can not just put words together to explain our way out of things. Words
only connects when the truth is told. I hope you stop writing. I would
rather be buddies (if you may call it) to Alex because it is a healthy way
for Langis to socialize and plus, he says the truth.
was supposed to bill LAONA directly and the cheque would be made
directly to them. That is how this board works and that is how it will
continue working, just in case we get audited.
Secondly Madam Treasurer, we were looking for a cheaper deal for the
telecom. Our email communications detail the back and forth rate
comparisons. The rates in Canada were almost twice as much what we
got with this telecom company. For anyone to think that I did not want to
pay from the Canadian side is preposterous! If that is what Alex told you
and your buddies, then it is unfortunate because he should have told us
that at the time we were looking at the telecom prices. Madam Treasurer,
credit cards/debit cards etc., are not a problem for a lot of people so
please just drop it. "Whose card are they going to use next...?" you
asked. To that I say don't you worry, it will not be yours. The board
will ensure that no such burden is placed on you.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
Members,
As you can see, Alex has given you full explanation on the use of his
personal debit/ credit card. Please remember that both thechair and the
secretary had the same opportunity to volunteer to use their own
personal cards to help set up the needed services but both opted out,
secretary citing too costly at her end and the chair you will never know
why. Only the two of them want LAONA debit card destroyed knowing full
well that they can not use their very own. Whose card do they want
used next in case a transaction only requires a debit card payment?
The secretary stated that such arrangement never happened. Was
she being honest to the members? After the chair failed to issue a
check in time to release Alex's debit card pending payment
and the chair's ability to ignore the vice chair's refund, the
treasurer decided that such situation must be avoided and to do so,
LAONA must have her own debit card. Members, this is common sense
and please have your say on this issue as well. Some of you have
already weighed in, thank you. Members must reject being told
misleading information coming from executives who only relay messages
they see fit but not the full truth. They must be held accountable for
manipulating the minds of other members with false information.
Thanks,
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA.
For the members who may not know the genesis of the phone conference
(teleconference) issue, let me reiterate; when the LAONA board was pondering of the
option of holding the first board meeting, we ruled out the face-to-face meeting
because of the cost involved- we then agreed on the teleconference option. We tried
skype which was free but did not work due to some technical issues. Consequently
we (we- I meant the board) began to shop around for the cheapest telephone
conference services provider. Three of us were involved in this- the secretary, chair
and I. Voice Text emerged the cheapest (Voice Text is the telephone conference
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services provider). We agreed that I should negotiate with the Voice Text and sign up
with them.
In summary, one of the conditions the Voice Text has is that I have to provide them
with my credit/debit card information as collateral- I did gave them the detail of my
card and other information that was required to complete the agreement. When I
gave them my debit card information, they put it on an auto payment system (auto
pay system, mean that they charge your debit card automatically after the use of their
services). In fact Voice Text attempted to charge my card before they send the
invoice but my bank did not approve it. Thereafter, they sent the invoice to me which
I forwarded it to the Board (address to Treasurer/ Secretary to process the payment).
Note: I did assure the Voice Text representative that our Treasurer is processing their
payment that might take a week after they called me demanding the payment.
Enough of this debit card thing let me get back to the Treasurer issues with the
retention of the LAONA debit card.
Initially, after back and forth discussion on whether the treasurer should retain the
LAONA debit card- all parties agreed that there is no need for holding organization’s
debit card- all LAONA transaction will be done by bank check. After a while, the
treasurer decided that it’s important to have a debits card- this then became a subject
of discussion- it’s clear that both parties have points so what do LOANA want?
Lastly, Let me thank Edisa and Caeser for offering us with the teleconference
services for free, we should take this with open hand- these things is not free! Ben
Wacha- your offer is very much appreciated we need to learn out to trust each
other and appreciate things! One thing I suggest is that we need to establish a
channel where members submit their offers, we discuss and adopt
it rather than trashing without weighing its merits.
Alex Atim
samopiyo19@yahoo.com; bmwacha@outlook.com;
laonanet@gmail.com; oagona@hotmail.com; morrisotim005@gmail.com;
mildred.omara@yahoo.com; cogole@gmail.com; otimowin@yahoo.com;
jackoyugi@verizon.net; owotc@yahoo.com; ajugamary@yahoo.com;
rosehelly@yahoo.com; edisa1@gmail.com
Members,
At this time, I would like to call upon Alex Atim to explain to the members
what exactly went on and why his debit card/ credit card was involved for
teleconference.
Thanks
Sarah, Alob
Again, thank you for your input. Listening is a very vital aspect in all
communications and I applaud you for keeping your ears up in the
air. Please have a blessed weekend.
Thanks
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
On behalf of the treasurer's office, I would like to thank you for
your valuable opinion. All opinions are welcomed and please be advised
that personal opinions will be subject to evaluation by all the members to
see what works best for LAONA. Not a single head here, as this opinion
is copied and paste from the secretary's email and the rest of the
members can weigh in on this same issue. The fact of the matter is;
It is as simple as 1,2, and 3, should the debit card be in use for any
approved reason, the above numbered protocol must be applied.
Thank you,
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
Tom Opito
LAONA MEMBER
Florence,
my documents to him because the bank was not well equipped to add me
on as a signatory with full access to the account. If the secretary feel the
same way, then she should have the right to do whatever you sees fit,
but please communicate, like adults do.
2. I gave you and Alex a business card for the lady who helped me
to open the account and I said that if you have any questions regarding
anything please call her. I have nothing to do with form setup. Let us not
use this as an excuse to justify the delay of account activation, per haps,
it is the last attempt with an end to nowhere.
It is a lot easier if only the secretary stop the blame game and do the
needful. Per haps, shoot me an email directly, call my cell phone to deal
with things. She would rather tell other members what she intends to do
knowing full well that the treasurer deserve a simple acknowledgment to
know her plans regarding all of this confusion on the account. Many
attempts has been made by this two executive offices to undermine the
treasurer, but please understand that the treasurer also sat in a
classroom, and she is well versed with human behaviors.
thanks
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
I apologise that my message below was cut off- not sure what happened there.
But it also allows me to address some of the issues the Treasurer brought up.
1. Sending the documents directly to the bank. The package had copies of
my government issued documents. Not too long ago the Treasurer made a big
deal about sending her papers to Missouri because she was concerned about the
safety /security of her documents. I had the same concerns and the lady at the
bank in Philadelphia asked me to send the documents directly to her. The
Treasurer would be notified when the documents arrived and she would take the
other pieces of information with her to complete the new account process. I had
no problem with that, the bank did not have a problem with it. The document
went directly to the bank supervisor who is assisting the Treasurer with this
process.
3. The protocol for disbursements for most organizations also requires that
all expenses which are incurred as a result of carrying out business of the
organization be paid for by cheque only, signed off on by whatever number of
signatories the association has in place. The cheque is issued only after the
expense is approved by the board. LAONA is no exception. This is the only way to
ensure that disbursements are fully accounted for, with a paper trail. This means
that no payment or withdrawals can be made through a debit card. The bank
here advised that there is no way they would allow a debit card to be used for
withdrawals when there is more than one signatory on the account. This will
also apply in LAONA’s case. A debit card will not be in use because there are
three signatories to the account. The Treasurer had agreed to this. If there is a
reason why LAONA’s account needs debit withdrawals at this time, the
Treasurer should bring it up to the board first and then to the membership if she
is not satisfied with the board’s decision. Both Alex and I are comfortable as
signatories without a debit withdrawal.
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I am just putting all these information out here as points of clarification. Also as
spokesperson for the Board, I am required to provide as much information on
issues as needed and this is all I am doing. I am not trying to discredit anyone- it
is not my style. Hopefully this bank account issue gets resolved quickly. Everyone
is really exhausted of the same and would just like to move on. I have done my
part. The document does not need to come back to Canada. I am also not one
to engage on a public forum. I will provide the members with any additional
information if requested. Otherwise this is it from me.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
LAONA members,
Adults are expected to be honest, straight forward, say and do what they
say they are going to do, avoid being hipocritical and work for the people
who have put them in a position instead of running backroom deals to
serve one individual's personal interest. Enough of playing games
and acting like children and trun around to expect people to act like adults
only when it is convinient. How are younger adults expected to behave
like when older adults can not be figured out, none the less, be real?
Thanks,
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
10-11-13
http://www.canadapost.ca/cpotools/apps/track/personal/findByTrackNumber?
execution=e1s1
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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As of now, the chair and the secretary are the ones in full control of
LAONA money and not the treasurer. I will take over my duties as soon
as they are ready to transfer LAONA money to LAONA account under the
treasurer. The treasurer is also in the dark as to what is happening in
regrads to LAONA account currently under the alone signatory, Omara
Alwala, chair. Time is the essence here.
Everyone have a good weekend and I look forward to hearing form all of
you
Thanks,
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
10-11-13
otimowin@yahoo.com; okello_robert@yahoo.com;
ajugamary@yahoo.com; adiyo1@verizon.net; dkikonde@gmail.com;
mlagulu@hotmail.com; charlesemer@gmail.com;
mildred.omara@yahoo.com; mamaelder9@gmail.com;
rosehelly@yahoo.com; bhoisam2002@yahoo.co.uk;
jackoyugi@verizon.net; mmtimzzak@gmail.com;
millyakide301@gmail.com; samopiyo19@yahoo.com
Let’s take it easy for the start. We’ll get over some of these things one at
a time, hopefully.
Its unfortunate that we are still on the issue of the bank accounts; reasons known to one
person. At this time it will be better to open LAONA account with another bank. The
account right now is with a local bank serving the neighborhood community in MO.
Thank you.
Betty O'Dero
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Dear Members,
It is actually quite disturbing to see two very different responses from two
officers of the same bank! As I said before, we need to move on. This issue has
been quite consuming to the extent that it has taken on a very personal tone
especially behind the scenes. The Board of Directors need to move forward with
the agenda that they had planned. But this cannot happen as long as this bank
issue is unresolved.
I will therefore ask the Board of Directors tonight to immediately consider
opening a new bank account with a Bank that has branches across the
country.This issue has to come to an end. There are a lot of other important
things within the association that deserve just as much attention.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
L AONA members,
Last week I reported to the members that the Banking issue which the Treasurer
had brought forward to the members had already been resolved by the Board of
Directors and it was determined that the way forward was for the Treasurer to
be added as a signatory to the existing bank account for her to have full access
to perform banking duties. The Chair had provided a list of documents that the
Treasurer needed to make avalable to the bank to move this process forward
- these documents would be required of anyone who needs to be added as a
signatoy or anyone opening a new bank account.
The attached document outlines what the Treasurer needs to do now as she had
expressed concerns about passing on her documents to the bank through other
people.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
Members, please find the attached, the summary of this debit card
origin. It is better for you to see it yourself instead of writing too much to
explain what doesn't need to much explanations. Some people
would rather be very ungrateful and discredit the contribution of others to
this association but there is no platform for them.
Thanks,
Sarah Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
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in the Association. It is just a slower process than we had anticipated. It has just to be done
right; otherwise our Association will not pass the test of time. It is not an excuse but the Board
more often than not is bogged down in unnecessary, time-wasting damage control of the self-
inflicted wounds. I will leave it at that!
Secondly you stated, "If the old bank account is still operational with no control whatsoever. We
as members deserve a thorough explanation......" Indeed, the old bank account is still open with
no more or less control than it has always had. I am very glad I made a wise decision earlier on
to be sending the members the actual monthly bank statements with brief explanations of any
transactions, if any, for each month instead of the usual financial termly reports. Accordingly,
every member can see for themselves exactly what has been happening to their money. That is
precisely the type of accountability I will insist on as long as I have the honor of being the Chair
of LAONA. With the old account, settlement of our bills to our creditors or clients is rapid
because it only takes a signatory to transact a business. It would take much longer with the new
account to transact a similar transaction as I just described above with a check because of the
three signatories involved, who are living in different states in the USA and a country; Canada.
As Chair, there is nothing that concerns me more than anything legal about our Association.
Among these concerns is our IRS tax exemption status. You will recall how our first hope was
dashed away by promises that were never fulfilled with resulting significant loss of time. The
Board had to go back to square one and to make a decision to make sure we would never make
the same mistake again. The high cost of the attorneys was just too expensive for us. Luckily,
an affordable organization (ACANA) was found through a personal connection of our Vice
Chair. As you are aware, we have already paid them a portion of their bill and the IRS. We still
owe them $1, 000 payable upon the successful acquiring of the Tax Exemption for us. The IRS
application required for a detailed description of our past, present and future activities. This was
a very exacting piece of work but the Secretary and the Chair completed the document and
submitted it as a brochure as well. We still do not know whether our application as submitted is
acceptable to the IRS or not. We just have to wait and see. For that reason, wrong or right, a
significant number of the Board members agree that it is wise for us to keep the old account
handy just in case we have to act quickly to pay for something unforeseen. It is more or less,
though not exactly the same as a project budget account. Ultimately, the buck stops with me as
Chair in our Board decision making process. The decision is made only in the best interest of the
Association!
The new account in Philadelphia is open and fully operational. The Chair has transferred
everything that needs to be transferred to the Treasurer. The Board is fully informed of what has
been given to the Treasurer. There is no reason, whatsoever, for the Treasurer not to be doing
her work as expected.
Thirdly, you wrote, "Six months down the road, there has been no clear work-plan of the
association." You are not correct in making this assumption. Three standing committees with
their chairs have been created namely, Events committee headed by Alex Atim-Ayang;
International Advisory and Women’s Forum by Florence Ocen; and Finance by Sarah Alobo.
The individual chairs of these committees are the ones personally responsible for recruiting
members of their individual committees. I must emphasize here that the leaders of these
committee are volunteers. Regrettably, even here, where we should be commending these
extraordinary individuals, I have received confidential reports of some members of our
Association discouraging other members from joining as members of these committees. I do not
know what you would call that but I call it what it is; an evil act of sabotage. It so easy to
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criticize others; it is not as easy to step up the plate when asked or expected to do so. Committee
work is where the rubber meets the road in any organization.
Finally you wrote “Action now and way forward." As Chair, I have described to you some of
the actions the Board and the Chair have championed, including our frustrations, successes and
challenges. In addition, I have explained to you our way forward. The Board and the Chair
need, not only your constructive criticisms, but also, your active participation in the activities of
the committee we have created.
Once again, I thank you very much for your helpful ideas of moving our Association forward.
Apwoyo,
Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
Mr. Chairman,
Thanks for your response to my concern. But I would like to remind you that it's the mandate of the
members which placed you at the pinnacle of the association not your wish. These mandates were given
to all the elected leaders of the association in different capacities. You as the captain of the ship and
others as crew members.
There is total disorganization in the association because your guidance is lacking and any task or duty is
carried out by anyone who feels he or she can respond or provide the information the can.
During the convention I advocated for election of executives in-charge of different activities which the
association would carry out instead of calling them Board members without specific duties. The top
three executives; Chair, general Secretary and treasurer. Would qualify to be board members upon
exiting office. This is because the board's role is only ceremonial and advisory in nature.
My idea was not listened to. Now anyone sends any information when they feel is attacking them
directly or otherwise.
The financial performance and position is the work of the treasurer, but it seems there are two people
who were not elected as treasurer doing this.
Your argument of maintaining the old bank account does not hold water. The treasurer was given the
mandate to handle financial matters as required. And you were suppose to hand over that duty as soon
as the mandate was entrusted to her. Any financial transaction handled by any other person on behalf
of the association apart from the treasurer is illegal and an abuse of mandate.
You stated that committees are formed for different activities. Has this been communicated to all the
members and what is expected of them? Am not aware or received any communication in regards to
that and I was not contacted as a member.
My advise to you is to disband the Board of Directors and maintain those I suggested as Board of
Directors and appoint the misplaced Board members as Secretaries to different committees where
necessary who will report to the Chair through General Secretary. I promise you will see a great Change
in the operations of the association.
The current structure can not and will not operate. We made a mistake at the initial stage for not
setting up the organization structure despite all the intellectual minds we have in the Association. We
put the chart before the horse but it's now time to put the horse first now that the chart (Association) is
in place but the horses (leadership) are pulling, pushing in different direction because the rider (chair) is
issuing mixed signals.
You need to assemble the horses before you so that the chart behind is dragged to the right direction.
Patrick O. O.
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Executive and the Facilitator both did not operate under any constitution, rules or regulations,
whatsoever; one failed and one succeeded without any of these checks and balances.
Upon the creation of the Association, our Board of Directors was elected in accordance with our
new Constitution and the bylaws. These documents are simply guidelines for us to govern
ourselves in the way we want to govern ourselves in a civilized way. They are just living
documents subject to change from time to time as the members see fit. However, we must try to
abide by them as long as we have them to avoid falling into the same pit as has so often
swallowed other organizations, including our own Tekwaro back home in Lango. Most
importantly, we must try to build a more perfect Association by adhering as strictly as possible to
our Constitution.
Your suggestion is well taken. However, neither the Chair nor the Board of Directors has our
constitutional authority and power at this time to simply “…. disband the Board of Directors and
maintain those” you “suggested as Board of Directors and appoint the misplaced Board members
as Secretaries to different committees where necessary who will report to the Chair through
General Secretary.” You are of course free and at liberty to suggest this idea to our members for
further discussion, hopefully, following an amendment of the constitution.
Our Association is disorganized as you say for several reasons but not just because of the Chair’s
lack of guidance or by some loose canons among us, whom you describe as, “anyone who feels
he or she can respond or provide the information…” The disorganization is due in most part to
our members’ different views or expectations of our organization as a cultural Association.
Some of us think of LAONA as a means to self-aggrandizement. Others think of it as a platform
to come together as one and celebrate our common heritage in the Diaspora. Still, others think of
it as a business opportunity for us collectively to improve the quality of life for our people. I see
the association as a cultural organization for the exclusive purposes of which it was established.
Most of our members did not come to America in the same normal way as our other ethnic
groups did; in pursuit of happiness. They came here as refugees with little or nothing on their
backs. They are toiling day in night out just to make ends meet. They can not boast of anything
other than of their strong pride, minds and hearts. They do not want, neither do they deserve, to
be deceived or taken advantage of by any body in the Diaspora, any more than they have already
been through in their lives individually. These folks just want to come together as one, if
possible at least once a year, to enjoy their cultural heritage home away from home. These are
the people whose voices are not often heard loud and clear on this forum and yet they have paid
as much money to belong to this association as any others who are the most fortunate among us.
As I said before, “the new account in Philadelphia is open and fully operational. The Chair has
transferred everything that needs to be transferred to the Treasurer. There cannot be any good
reason at all for the Treasurer not to be doing her work as expected, including sending members
monthly bank statements like the Chair has been doing with the old bank account that has now
become nothing more than just a line item budget to pay for our immediate outstanding
obligations to our creditors and vendors, particularly the company filing for our IRS Tax
Exemption Status. The old account is no longer in use for soliciting donations or receiving any
membership contributions. The decision to use the old account for the purpose I have just
explained is a judgment call of the Chair and a majority of the Board members. I t may not be
acceptable to others but there is nothing sinister about it. The decision is made in the best
interest of the Association.
Finally, you may also have a point that, “The current structure can not and will not operate.”
However, you just have to take the time necessary to formulate the best future structure of the
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leadership for our Association in accordance with our then hopefully amended constitution. In
support of your suggestion, I would ultimately like to see two separate but equal administrative
organs of our Association, consisting of the Board of Directors and the Executive Council.
Yes, I stated that committees had formed for different activities of the Association. However, I
have not yet communicated to all the members what was expected of them. Upon the
appointment of the committee chairs as I indicated in my e-mail previously, I left it entirely to
the chairs of those committees to recruit their own committee members as they saw fit with little
or no interference from me as an ex-officio of their individual committees. The committees are
not new per see. They are listed and their functions described in detail in our bylaws. Once
again, the committees are as follows: Finance Committee (Sarah Alobo); Events Committee
(Alex Atim –Ayang); International Programs Advisory Committee; and Women’s Forum
(Florence Ocen. By the way, we have altogether 14 committees listed in our bylaws. However, I
could find only three members who were will to volunteer to lead those four identified
committees. It is all the more reason why it is so disconcerting to receive confidential reports
from members of our community that they were being dissuaded by some elements of our
Association from participating in some of these committees. Whoever is behind this negative
campaign reportedly does not want any of the initiatives by the current leadership of the
association to succeed in any way, shape or form. I am very much aware of the elements but I
am not at liberty to name names at this time but the information is true!
Still, if you or any other members are ready and willing to volunteer also to lead any one of the
remining 12 committees, please, look them up in the bylaws and just let me know.
Once again, I thank you for your frank, open and civil discourse on the affairs of our
Association. Rome was not built in one day. Together, we will build a more perfect Association
for ourselves and the generations after us in North America.
Apwoyo,
Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
Mr. Chairman,
Thanks for your response to my concern. But I would like to remind you that it's the mandate of the
members which placed you at the pinnacle of the association not your wish. These mandates were given
to all the elected leaders of the association in different capacities. You as the captain of the ship and
others as crew members.
There is total disorganization in the association because your guidance is lacking and any task or duty is
carried out by anyone who feels he or she can respond or provide the information the can.
During the convention I advocated for election of executives in-charge of different activities which the
association would carry out instead of calling them Board members without specific duties. The top three
executives; Chair, general Secretary and treasurer. Would qualify to be board members upon exiting
office. This is because the board's role is only ceremonial and advisory in nature.
My idea was not listened to. Now anyone sends any information when they feel is attacking them directly
or otherwise.
The financial performance and position is the work of the treasurer, but it seems there are two people who
were not elected as treasurer doing this.
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Your argument of maintaining the old bank account does not hold water. The treasurer was given the
mandate to handle financial matters as required. And you were suppose to hand over that duty as soon
as the mandate was entrusted to her. Any financial transaction handled by any other person on behalf of
the association apart from the treasurer is illegal and an abuse of mandate.
You stated that committees are formed for different activities. Has this been communicated to all the
members and what is expected of them? Am not aware or received any communication in regards to that
and I was not contacted as a member.
My advise to you is to disband the Board of Directors and maintain those I suggested as Board of
Directors and appoint the misplaced Board members as Secretaries to different committees where
necessary who will report to the Chair through General Secretary. I promise you will see a great Change
in the operations of the association.
The current structure can not and will not operate. We made a mistake at the initial stage for not setting
up the organization structure despite all the intellectual minds we have in the Association. We put the
chart before the horse but it's now time to put the horse first now that the chart (Association) is in place
but the horses (leadership) are pulling, pushing in different direction because the rider (chair) is issuing
mixed signals.
You need to assemble the horses before you so that the chart behind is dragged to the right direction.
Patrick O. O.
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I want to pass a vote of thanks to you on your recent letter to Patrick explaining a few things
which seem to be the cause of the faltering in our organization. One of then attracted my
attention and I have qualified it as the only and single item that is bringing the Association down.
And if my finding is correct then I think we have not founded our organization yet. What we
thought we had founded and inaugurated in Philadelphia was not what we had belabored to
found. We have been “pwodo cet kede lut”. I am sorry to say this; but it looks like it.
Mr. Chair, let me quote you here on that line item, “The disorganization is due in most
part to our members’ different views or expectations of our organization as a
cultural Association.”
ARTICLE 3 - PURPOSE
Section 1: The Corporation is for charitable, educational, religious, or scientific purposes within the
meaning of Section 501(c) (3) of the Internal Revenue Code.
Section 2: The specific charitable and public purposes for which the Association is organized
include (i) promoting social, cultural, educational, and economic progress of the Lango of Uganda
and their descendents in North America. (ii) using its income and principal to carry on activities and
programs which support or benefit the Association; and (iii) carrying out such other activities as the
Board of Directors determines will benefit and support the Corporation.
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Hon Chair, the disparity of the objectives of the Association, as re-defined by you, vis-à-vis
by our constitution, is irreconcilable. To be exact, the cultural objective which you have said so
many a times before, is/was just part of the whole story. Cultural drive was included as just but
one of the objectives, and specifically for identification purposes as Lango (a people) only since
we cannot manufacture culture. Our culture is already there, and there is nothing we can do to
reform it, or alter it, or do anything that would require Langi to come all the way and meet in
Philadelphia for two days. And remember, many of our people did not even attend it. So we
cannot speak with authority on our culture except work at introducing it to our children as they
grow up, and we, the community can only provide the ground for them to practice it, as we also
“guard and foster” it. In a nutshell, Culture is just one aspect of our overall “development”
project. We also have social, economic, educational, religious, and scientific purposes to mention
but a few.
The Constitution puts this down, again, quite succinctly under Article 11 (Power), in part;
“b. To promote and protect the peace, health, education and general welfare of the members of the
Association, and to administer charity and such other services as may contribute to the social and
economic development of the Association and its members.”
The operative words here are, “social and economic development…”, and,
“e. To encourage, guard and foster traditional cultural practices of the Lango people, including the
arts, crafts, religion, language and customs of the Lango people in North America.”
Hon Chair, in addition to our By-Laws, and especially in our Objectives and Goals, we
also gave some guidance as to how we would realize these ideals, and achieve the dreams for
which we have set ourselves to attain. And I quote, amongst others, “UNITY, PEACE AND
PROSPERITY: LAONA will advocate for unity and peace as preconditions for the growth and
prosperity of the Association…”
And,
Our Mission Statement also categorically states that, “The Mission of Lango Association of
North America is to promote the Lango social, cultural, educational, and economic progress of
its members in North America.”
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It should now not come as a matter of confusion, the value and subjectivity of our association. It
should be a contentious issue as it has turned out to be. The reason may be varied, and the right
one will as much depend on the understanding, and objective of each individual. But why?
Read;
MISSION
To provide leadership for the promotion of the Lango cultural heritage in North America.
Hon Chair, the confusion in our objectives and goal lies in how our words were shifted around
between the documents. And this is why in your letter to Patrick, as always, you have limited the
objective and goal of LAONA to only Cultural definition. Yes, our organization is a cultural one,
but only in so far as promoting, guarding, and fostering traditional cultural practices in
concerned. Our objective and goal has a far wider scope than just cultural confinements. In other
words, we have fallen far short of our own expectation. You have not played your role here Hon
Chair. Your own words here summarizes it al well, “The disorganization is due in most
part to our members’ different views or expectations of our organization as a
cultural Association…” Operative word, “Cultural Association”.
Now we know where the misunderstanding all comes from, and the Hon Chair is
not helping the situation because you also misguided your own understanding of
what the whole organization is all about.
In fact, this makes me think that indeed LAONA is really not
here yet, because if the Hon Chair has a different concept of the
organization from what the members expected to realize, then we
have all the reasons to go back to the drawing board to found the
organization for which we have been seeking.
Thank You,
Ben Wacha
Member (LAONA)
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Ben.
Thanks for putting it right. I was socked with the reply from the chair. I couldn't reply before
cross checking with the Association's documents.
You have precisely put in what I wanted to know with even reference.
This association was hurried with. We were not yet ready for this association but due to time
constraints and distance, we ignored many things or did not speculate certain challenges. There
should have been many gatherings before inauguration. We were all strangers when we
Inaugurated this Association and meeting in only two days could not make us forge a working
relation.
We can now pick up from where we are and right the wrongs instead of defending the wrongs.
My proposal is to first form a social working group (fraternity) with members within an areas or
locality where they meet regularly and share their ideas.
This will enable confidence building and familiarization with those within our locality.
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I know we are spread all over but once in a month gathering within respective locality even if
you are only two would create a difference.
I consider this a first step to strengthening and consolidating the association. (I Would consider it
first step in the formation, but the association has been formed already)
Patrick O. O.
Patrick,
You are most welcome, and thank you.
That said, let me pick it up from where you left. Yes indeed the Association has already been
born, albeit without a functioning head, and in paralysis. But be it has it may, we have heard of
the words, "back to the drawing board". We do not have to throw the water basin out with the
baby. Like you said, we have many capable and learned Langi here amidst us who feel for our
organization, and are ready to help in the re-branding the Association with out shutting it down.
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We can create a "special" committee to review our constitution, organizational setup, by-laws,
and Objectives and goals of LAONA, while we also form these regional arrangements if need be,
and have them recommend the best LAONA we have ever had. The committee will then revamp,
and bring new life into LAONA.
The point is if you really read through our documents of Association, you will be appalled by the
level of contradiction and disparity in them, and you will wonder why they were never caught in
the beginning. Well it was really not that they were not caught; nay they were caught, and many
different people have tried to point them out all along, but because the high and the mighty had
decided to reclassify first who Lango constitutes of, and second, "enemies and loose cannons" of
the association on the one hand, and liars and unwelcome intruders on the other.
But, be it as it may, I think as our constitution put it, much as it is wanting (but that is the only
one we have for now), the following references in Articles can be activated to salvage the
Association;
ARTICLE 23 - AMENDMENTS
Section 2: Amendments by the Association: This Constitution may be amended by a majority
vote of the qualified voters of the Association voting in an election called for that purpose by the
Board of Directors in which at least thirty percent (30%) of the qualified voters take part.
Yes, we members, in totality, can jump in and fix the problem. After all who ever said that Rome
was built in a day? And it is still a work in progress more than three thousand years later.
LAONA must succeed, and it will simply by the majority standing up to their responsibilities and
faith.
Thank you
Jo-jok Amalu wunu,
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An Ben Wacha
Amema (LAONA).
All,
The suggestions put forward by Patrick, and expounded by Ben - to me - are excellent, and I
cannot add anything than express my support for it. Leaders must be assign roles, and at this
time, our association does not have the luxury to (yet) sustain merely ceremonial positions and/
duplicate functions.
Let's immediately setup a Special Constitutional Review Committee to start working on the said/
suggested tasks. Indeed, as Ben pointed out, we have been saying some of the things and
constantly reminding ourselves that the Constitution, in its current state has a provision (as
referenced by Ben again) that can be invoked by members to disband the current structure even
today if members see it fit. We do not need to wait for an amendment to be done. That, I'm
repeating for informational purpose only.
And again, we now all have a fairly better understanding of what our cultural association was
established for. The oversimplification of the scope of our objectives by the Chair was a bit
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misleading, and Ben's and Patrick's input tacitly displays the knowledge we need to have this
association run in a "professionally cultural" manner.
On a side note, I like the humility and kind piece of advice in the otherwise oversimplified take
by the Chair. We are aware of different classes of people who make up our diversified
organization: we can call them "day in night out" or "day out night in", or anything- but at the
end of the day, everyone is equally important. I completely agree with the Chair that no one
deserves to be taken advantage of, nor should their voice be suppressed. The bottom line is that
we need to uphold or elevate everyone's dignity without bending rules through unnecessary
appeals to pity/sympathy or through any other forms of manipulation. Members should feel free
to write in Leb Lango or in English, so that no one is left out of the conversation as a result of
language barrier. However, everyone who communicates must act civil - as a bottom line.
Careless utterances like "loose cannons" are in fact "loose cannons" in its own right (or
recursively, if one gets to give it a second thought).
In sum, let's get going with the Constitution Review as a top priority.
One wonders why a regular member ("atedero") who is "not privy" with Board affairs should just
jump in and volunteer to lead or serve on any of the other Committees when majority of the
Board who are privileged and are privy with Board business have opted out of this endeavor.
That does not mean we not should give thanks to the 3 out 9 Board members who have sacrificed
to lead some the committees at these very uncertain times.
Thanks,
Caesar
Patrick,
I just spoke to a bank representative this morning regarding the process of writing out a
check to make payments on behalf of LAONA with three signatories to the account.
There is no time constraint involved should we need to make payments. It is up to the
board to make a decision on to whom the payments are being made to and the
treasurer will do the needful, write out the check because I have the checkbook. The
chair's excuses and reasoning is only in place to give him a way to hold on to the
people's money, a violation of the constitution which he participated to put in place and
currently desperately defending. Can the chair be an example in respecting the current
constitution. Mr. Patrick, I hope this clears up someone of the misunderstanding and
misleading information by the chair.
Thank you,
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
12-20-13
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We understand that the the TD Bank is now fully operational. However, we think it is wiser to respect
the Constitution as well as the decision that was already reached earlier by the sober minds of the
Board. The Vice Chair, Secretary and Treasurer - all officers of the Executive Board, in addition to other
Board members had already communicated in clear terms that this Bank account issue would be put to
rest after the November checks were cleared. (See forwarded emails below). Indeed the November
checks were already cleared, as we all know.
And as it clearly advised by the Treasurer Sarah (who reportedly made contact with a bank officer for
advice today), in addition to professional tips given by our very own member (Ben) who also happens to
be a banker/Economist, - any other future payments/transactions can be carried out by the Treasurer
without any delay. So you do not have anything to worry about. There is no reason for you not to make
the transfer and close the account today. As we now all understand it, the Treasurer (or any of the co-
signatories) will be able to issue any new checks without any problem/delay.
Allow our Treasurer a peace of mind to carry out her FULL Constitutional mandate without unnecessary
interference. Respect the decisions reached by your colleagues (and members). We should be focussing
on other important things if only you bring a closure to this account issue by doing the right thing. It has
dragged for far too long!
Thanks,
Caesar
Member
..
An Betty
Good evening members. Please find attached the bank account statement for October,
2013. Please note that this statement is for the Bank in Missouri which is still open
pending clearance of payments made to the lawyers assisting with aquiring LAONA's Tax
Exemption Status. As soon as the payments are cleared, the balance of the funds will
be transferred to the new account and the old account will be closed. You will note
that two checks were cleared in October- Check #1003 - payment for the Board's
teleconference services and Check #1004- refund for money used to aquire LAONA's EIN.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary/Spokesperson, LAONA
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Meanwhile …. Sanctity of
Constitution and Right to Amend
Constitutional
---------- Original message ----------
From: Patrick Okullo <peboo@me.com>
Date: Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 12:08 AM
Subject: Re: Let us preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the Lango Association of
North America
To: "omara44@mchsi.com" <omara44@mchsi.com>
Cc: Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>, Betty Odero <crcf1@yahoo.com>, Sarah
Alobo <alobo_sarah@yahoo.com>, Kenneth Otim <k.otim01@gmail.com>, Edisa Engola Kema
<edisa1@gmail.com>, Hudson Ayo <ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>, Odyek Agona
<oagona@hotmail.com>, Charles Owot <owotc@yahoo.com>, Alex Atim
<atimalex@hotmail.com>, Caesar Ogole <cogole@gmail.com>, Ben Magomu Wacha
<bmwacha@outlook.com>, Tom Opito <opito.tom@gmail.com>, Morris Otim
<morrisotim005@gmail.com>, “Owiny Otim” <otimowin@yahoo.com>, "“Robert M. Okello”"
<okello_robert@yahoo.com>, “Mary Ajuga” <ajugamary@yahoo.com>, “Betty Pulle”
<adiyo1@verizon.net>, Daniel Oming <dkikonde@gmail.com>, Margaret Jato
<mlagulu@hotmail.com>, Charles Emer <charlesemer@gmail.com>, Mildred Amony Omara
<mildred.omara@yahoo.com>, Engola Omodi <mamaelder9@gmail.com>, Helen Apio
<rosehelly@yahoo.com>, Hon Sam Bhoi Omara Olwata <bhoisam2002@yahoo.co.uk>, Jack
Oyugi <jackoyugi@verizon.net>, Maureen Akello <mmtimzzak@gmail.com>, “Milly Akide”
<millyakide301@gmail.com>, Sam Ogwali Opiyo <samopiyo19@yahoo.com>, “Catherine
Ocen” <catherineocen@yahoo.com>
Thanks Mr. Omara Alwala for your concern. But let me be sincere to you. The constitution you
are saying you want to protect and preserve has a lot of mistakes which needs to be addressed as
soon as possible.
One other observation is that you are taking things too personal and leading the association with
mistrust and suspicion.
This association does not belong to only you or me or any other person but to all of us and will
exist long after us. It would be of much importance if we create something that will stand the test
of time where those who will come offer us will be proud of.
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I remember pointing out in my previous email about righting the wrongs instead of protecting the
wrongs.
For this association to survive, we need to learn to accommoThe difference (length of time)
between dates erent views and put away mistrust and suspicion of each other. Enemies do not
point out your weakness but capitalize on it.
Be open minded and try to bring closer those you purport to be enemies and learn their mindset.
We are what we are because of our challenges right from birth and the come in different forms.
Thanks,
Patrick O. O.
Omara,
I agree in principle that the constitution is what it is even if it has some flaws. I also agree that
we should address those concerns constitutionally (within the constitutional framework). Unlike
Uganda, the United States of America allows complete freedom of association. Which means
that for those who are unhappy with LAONA there are the following options amongst others
open to them:
Thank you
Emer Otim
Here is what the real Thomas Jefferson said to James Madison, 1801. FE 8:82 with regards
"We have always a right to correct ancient errors and to establish what is more conformable to reason
and convenience."
For those who have not had a chance to be aware of their right, and to know the indispensable need to
amend just any Constitution for any civilized society, you have the chance to read more from the real
Thomas Jefferson's take, here: http://famguardian.org/Subjects/Politics/ThomasJefferson/jeff1000.htm
"The [United States] Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787, by the Constitutional
Convention in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and ratified by conventions in eleven States. It went
into effect on March 4, 1789.[2]
Since the Constitution was adopted, it has been amended twenty-seven times. The first ten
amendments (along with two others that were not ratified at the time) were proposed by
Congress on September 25, 1789, and were ratified by the necessary three-fourths of the States
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on December 15, 1791.[3] These first ten amendments are known as the Bill of Rights." [Taken
from Wikipedia]
As you can see, the first changes (amendment) to the US Constitution was proposed only six months
after the Constitution went into effect. The LAONA Chair says that "The document needs to last a whole
lot longer than just six months or a year before it could be subjected, if at all, to any credible review."
This is not true, and it is a misleading counsel - much as it could have been offered in good faith . But in
any case, ours is a simpler and smaller cultural association, and we do not need to be as bureaucratic as
a big Government of USA!
That preamble that should speak for itself. It is imperative that we have a Constitutional review. It is not
a favor being handed to the members by the Board members; it is the rights of members. Board
members are members too, they should not forget that. Amendment does not mean we are not
protecting the Current framework. It simply means we are fixing the mistakes as realities set it, using a
systematic popular process.
The Chair wrote: "Our current Constitution was written prior to the formation of our Association.
Therefore, the Constitution was as objective as it could be under the circumstances. The document
needs to last a whole lot longer than just six months or a year before it could be subjected, if at all, to
any credible review."
As clearly put by the Chair, the Constitution was written prior to the formation of the association, based
on many assumptions since most of the things were not known before hand. The lots of disorganization,
as pointed out by Patrick and agreed by the Chair (and of course, as it is known to everyone inside and
outside this organization), are all clear indications that realities are setting in that require us to adapt is
we have to work towards perfecting our Association.
ARTICLE 23 - AMENDMENTS
Section 2: Amendments by the Association: This Constitution may be amended by a majority vote of the
qualified voters of the Association voting in an election called for that purpose by the Board of Directors
in which at least thirty percent (30%) of the qualified voters take part.
1. Allow members exercise their right to set up a committee to review the Constitution. A good number
of members are willing to volunteer to serve on this Committee, just as any other members will
volunteer to serve on the other Committees
2. This reviews will be a process, culminating into popular votes and/or ratification at the next meeting
called by members within the current Constitutional framework (e.g General Meeting).
Great leaders don't preach disunity - simply because other members are coming with different ideas as a
way of rectifying the problems that are staring in our face. Let's get personal issues, ego and all
negativeness out of the way.
My take - as usual.
documents were ratified afterwards unanimously at the convention. There is no urgency at this time to
modify it until it has been in use for a while.
I know that the majority of the Board members are solidly behind me on this point. I reject and will
resist any effort by an individual or by a group of individuals to use a need to revise the constitution as a
ploy to defraud or to destabilize our Association.
According to you, I am "taking things too personal and leading the association with mistrust and
suspicion." Really, where have you been on this forum? Don't you read all the trash that has been
spewing nonstop on the forum from the same sources as usual about me as the Chair and certain
members of the Board? Either you support this kind of behavior or, with all due respect, you are simply
naive.
You wondered if there were any activities going on in the Association. I told you about the various
committees that had been formed and 12 others still waiting to be activated. I thought you were
interest in participating in any of them. What happened? Are these activities not more important than
the need for revising the constitution?
Please take it from me that the majority of the Board members and I may not know everything going on
underground in the Association but we are not naive. The notion that we can strengthen the association
through a constitutional amendment process is pitiful. It is not the constitution hampering our progress;
it is our detractors!
Apwoyo
Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
LAONA
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I would like to weigh in on the ongoing discussions about our association. First of all, we need
to keep our focus on the “ball” which is really the association itself. We will always have
personal differences as well as differences of opinion. This is healthy, as long as we can, as
adults remain civil and learn to accommodate other people’s ideas. No one person can or
should claim that they know what is good for this association – the sooner we can all come to
terms with this the better for the association. Name calling, ultimatums, threats and
denigration of members should not be part of our discourse. We can and should do better as
members of LAONA.
The discussion about reviewing the constitution should not be about promoting self-interests. If
there is a need to review the current constitution, I do not think there is anyone who would
object to it as long as it is done in good faith and by people who will be impartial and focused
on the real needs of the association. It is common knowledge that a constitution is a living
document that must reflect the needs of an organization. We have had the opportunity to
implement this constitution for 6 months now and I personally believe that the association can
benefit from a review and a possible amendment of our constitution. We have ideas as to what
is working well for us, what is not working and what needs to be included in the current
constitution. We need to put in solid building blocks to ensure that our association is on solid
ground as we try to build it from ground up. It may be better to put those missing pieces in and
fix the crooked pieces now than to wait until later. No organization is perfect at creation. It
takes hard work, dedication, and constant tweaking to make it a success.
This association at the moment is riddled with issues that are not progressive at all and it is just
impeding progress in major ways. Personal dislike for individuals should not be allowed to cloud
judgement for what is good for this association. Personal issues should be kept outside of the
association’s business. I believe that we can build a much better association if we pulled all our
energies together and channel those synergies to move our association forward.
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LAONA is not and should not be a personal property of any one person or a group of people.
The association belongs to all the members and let us not act as if the silent majority do not
care or do not matter. They do just as much, if not more, than most of us who are more vocal.
Let us do what is right for the association.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
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Hon. Secretary,
I would like to thank you for your input (thoughts and wise counsel) with respect to this
particular subject of Constitutional Review, and for your strongly worded call for (observance
of) etiquette, all of which come from you in your capacity as an individual member of LAONA.
It is a very much welcome voice - one that sounds quite familiar.
I, for one, cannot think of the advocacy for refinement of the Constitution as anyone's personal
interest. Everyone, including the principal author, knew from day one - and acknowledged
publicly (on record) during the very first peer review of the draft that refinements of the
Constitution (after adoption) would be on "when and as needed" reasonable basis - in accordance
with the procedures laid out in the version of the governing document (at the time the change
proposal is made). Every new change is expected to be made "with reason and for convenience",
as summarized by Thomas Jefferson himself - just in case anyone is concerned about the
credibility of the process. That automatically leaves almost no room for personal interests, if any,
to affect the process (negatively).
I will confess that I am one "vocal" person on this forum, and I act that way for reasons that I
think are important. I am saying this because your last paragraph does not spare me for I know I
have come across as (highly) opinionated sometimes. But I know I am not alone. For one, I have
tried to maintain silence sometimes, but whenever I see something that begs a question, remark,
suggestion, clarification, comment, correction, etc - which seems to be the norm of the day given
the nature of past Board-to-member communications,- I am (naturally) inclined to chip in - and I
will continue doing it whenever necessary.
That said, you made a very bold claim which I cannot understand. You made a claim that "the
silent majority might care as much, or even more". Kindly help us understand the following,
accordingly:
1. How do you know that the "silent majority" cares (or might care) as much or more than the
vocal people yet they are silent? While answering this question, bear in mind that "most" of the
few vocal people are individuals who prefer sharing their input (ideas, etc) openly for the benefit
of everyone ( including the silent majority) AS OPPOSED TO resorting to so-called back-room
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(subgroup or clique) communications which would exclude some members. Also, bear in mind
that without the "reply all" kind of communication, the few vocal people have no effective way
of having their usually important voices heard across, which means not everyone would be on
the same page with issues. Subgroup communications (as opposed to speaking "vocally" to the
majority) most likely explain why in the recent past, we have seen instances where some people
(either deliberately or inadvertently) would use "coded language" in this forum as if everyone
was privy with the (prior) discussions they had had in their subgroups. We have also seen such
occurrences in the very recent emails.
2. What makes you claim the silent majority might care as much or more UNLESS you can
prove to us that they are actually contributing in other ways (other than through the common
donations/subscription; for, so far we know not of any extraordinary donation by any element of
the silent majority that we could use to justify "silent but caring as much or more"). Other ways
that the silent majority could show that they care as much or more is by volunteering to
undertake any of the committee activities, but going by what we know, the silent majority is not
(yet) doing such, and we do not know whether they are intending to do anything to that effect
since they are silent. Unless you can tell us how you read their intentions...
3. At this stage, ideas are very critically important just as are the little monetary contributions.
Ideas must be communicated, and that communication cannot be done in silence. The treatment /
cure of the disorganizations in our (dis)organization is not silence. The inconsistent reports ,
ambiguous wordings and incomplete information that characterize our communications and the
ineffective strategies that have led to the current impasse all cannot be met with silence.
4. This association was founded through exchange of ideas, aka brainstorming, and not silence -
and if you look critically, it is the "very few" people who started since then that are the very ones
carrying forward and encouraging the culture of free exchange of ideas. Tell us why we should
now change our culture that made us be in the first place. =>Note that they are not claiming any
special status: they are simply carrying forward the culture of brainstorming that brought the
association to life in the very first place because, to them, it was nothing than critical thinking
(communicated) that was not only going to get us off the ground, but that would sustain us in the
current and future generations.
In brief, silence is not going to help anyone here. We cannot know whether or not a silent person
cares even little, if at all, unless he/she is contributing (on a continued basis) in some way(s)-
which would also be common knowledge to everyone, ideally.
caring as much through silence. And that person must not be a board member, for hon Board
members have their generally known ways of communicating (never mind the inconsistencies).
Go ahead and deduce that it is in fact not only that one person who is caring as much "silently",
but the "silent majority" as well.
Of course, the bottom line is that the discussions must all be healthy. "Civil" seems to be the
catchword.
With thanks!
Caesar Ogole
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Caesar, it is not my intention to turn this into a discussion of sorts but I will respond to your
question(s).
I appreciate that you value public contributions but we should not conclude that because most
of our members are not sharing their ideas publicly at this time and are not participating in
discussions mean they are not caring. We should encourage our members to contribute in
whatever ways they can. Not everyone is interested in public discussions or whatever it is that
goes on on LAONA forum, and neither should it be a requirement– people have their reasons
for not doing so and we must respect that. However, these members are willing to contribute in
other ways that are equally important. LAONA should welcome various types of contributions
with open hands. You asked for examples of people who are silent but are supposedly caring-
yes I will give you examples:
One of our members has offered her own business telecom line to be used for Board
/Committee teleconferences. Should we discount such a generous offer because she is not
making a big deal of it on the forum? That is a very generous contribution if you asked me! Also
as the Chair alluded to, some of us who volunteered to Chair committees are in the process of
recruiting members to serve on these committees. I have personally found our members to be
very interested in serving in one way or the other. Some of our members whom I contacted
could not for one reason or the other serve on my Committees, but they have indicated that
because of their strengths in other areas, they would be more interested in serving in other
areas and they did explain to me where they see their strengths as being useful. One member
said to me, and I quote: “The way I see it, the key to LAONA’s success is an excellent cash flow
to fund the development on the ground that we a) either want to put in place or b)support it as
it currently exists. ... I feel that I'm in a unique position at this stage of my journey to leverage
relationships to help the severely downtrodden people of Lango at this time.” Tell me, how
much more caring can one be? Should we not welcome this member’s contribution in whatever
form it is offered? Or we should ignore this member because the member does not participate
in brainstorming?
How about our members who have expressed concerns about the time constraints in their lives
that prevent them from participating on committees but are willing to help out in other ways
like helping with logistics etc. during our next conference? Others are willing to do research if or
when necessary. All these are great! It is our uniqueness and what each one of us can bring to
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the table that should count and that is what we should aim at ...encouraging our members to
contribute in whatever ways they can. How about some of our members who have actually
gone ahead and started their own projects in Lango villages? They obviously cared enough to
get projects going. Could we learn valuable lessons on projects and programming from these
members who are not waiting for us to determine first who among us can write a complete
sentence on the forum? Absolutely! Do these members care less because they have not
participated in brainstorming on LAONA forum? Absolutely not! Let us appreciate different
skills and contributions that our members are offering. Our members come from different walks
of life and have all kinds of talents, skills and areas of expertise. Let us make use of each one of
those resources- that is what will make us stronger. They are quiet but they care- deeply!
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
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Secretary,
Why do we always like this talk of, " I do no intend to turn this into a discussion". What's the
problem with turning talks into discussion, IF necessary?
Anyway, Thanks for your response. The bottom line is that the forum is for discussion, it is
through discussion that made us in the first place and will continue to make us.
It is not a requirement of course. In any case, the people who discuss often also do (or have
done) other real and remarkable voluntary works on the ground for LAONA. You know better
than anyone else.
No one is being forced to participate, BUT their lack of participation should not be used as a
reason to discourage others from asking questions, making comments, probing things that don't
seem tight, etc. It would only be disrespectful if we forced anyone to participate, but merely
encouraging them to do so is a different thing. By the same token, it would be disrespectful for
someone who does not like discussion (for reason) to try to stop others from holding discussion
in this forum. He/she would rather unsubscribe from the list. The forum is NOT for one way
communication/dictates.
Some of the examples about members doing things in Lango that you gave in response are rather
private initiatives of those members, less to do with LAONA. Irrelevant response, in brief and
we cannot learn from that because LAONA is meant to create synergy. Actually some of us don't
know about the things you are talking about. Other individual efforts elsewhere are member's
side businesses -not part of LAONA objectives. Please, get that right! Perhaps, the only publicly
known example is the business conference line donation, and members are often left in limbo as
to how such donations are accepted - the reason others went on to withdraw their offers, anyway.
The other examples involving "promises" are not solid.
The point I wanted to convey is that - the fact that some people do not like sharing their ideas
with everyone on the forum (except privately with you or in the back room ) should not mean
that that's the best way of public engagement. How then can we be on the same page?
Most importantly, we can minimize cluttered information on this forum if and only if we learnt
how to communicate complete, unambiguous, untwisted, and only consistent information -
rather than fishing for fabrications to fill in the gaps like we continue to see. That way, no one
will bother asking questions and the dream of having a dead quiet forum will be realized. That
means those who communicate important messages to the membership must have had some fair
dos with sentence writing, otherwise we may have to continue learning the hard way - with the
hope that we we will get to full speed, sooner than later.
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Thanks,
Caesar
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Florence,
In addition I have had many lunches and phone discussions with members and other Langi some
working at the UN with me who are not interested in participating through the current public
forum but are equally and arguabley offering more potent insights.
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Apwoyo
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You got it right Caesar, there is no problem turning talks into discussions IF necessary. I personally did
not think it was necessary in this case.
This is LAONA members' forum/email list and they will use it as they see fit. To share joys and sorrows,
successes and challenges or whatever news they may have. To suggest that they should unsubscribe if
they are not willing to participate in discussions is very insulting. As for promises that you refer to as not
solid, why are you so fast in discounting other people's contributions even if they are just promises at
this time? The member I quoted is one of our most connected fundraisers for your information and no I
was not referring to members who are currently running private businesses in Lango. Please let us be
respectful of our members. No one is discouraging anyone from holding or participating in discussions,
all I am saying is that our members should feel free to participate anyway they choose to.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
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Florence,
What Florence wrote was the first of what we could a consider a progress report. Who is doing
what, where and how ... Challenges are still many!
All other interventions to this from other people are not relevant/misplaced since it was not easy
to figure out I was asking for a "progress report" - indirectly. Direct approach had failed to yield
anything.
Now we only have to keep track of those promises and report their progresses next time,
hopefully in a more formal way.
Again, if it wasn't clear to anyone, public discussion is not mandatory. In any case, it is not a
thing for everyone and it is consuming to people who force themselves to do it. We engage in it
only when necessary, as we have always done. - mark this last sentence.
Caesar
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Do not insult our members and pretend that you were looking for a progress report. There is
more than one smart person on this forum. I will provide a progress report when the recruitment
for my committees is done. This marks the end of this "discussion" for me. Best wishes.
Sincerely
Florence
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Let's close it on that good note Florence. Indeed you responded to my questions, in great
details. No insult was intended. As a matter of fact, we have requested for progress reports many
times, but we have not seen anything close to the summary that you provided. The discussion
was meant just for that purpose, though you may choose to interpret it in different ways.
Thanks,
Caesar
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[Side comment: I know this partly because I was on phone with at least one of the following
contributors and he insisted that I first write something and then he would add to it…]
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> First of all, you are crating so many issues here which are contrary to what the board decided in
October; secondly, you are making up excuses which are irrelevant to closing the Missouri account and
transferring the balance to the new account. There is this Lango saying that ( Ka jo owoto imyel karacel,
eka myel te tum jo te ya oko, ento yin dok ite dong ilek bedo myel keni- jo mi nying okene.) Please close
the account so we move onto the other issues.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Alex Atim – Ayang
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> As a Board member, if you have any concerns about a board decision next time, I would expect you to
please bring them up with me personally as Chair of the Board, or to take them yourself to the Board for
discussion. Otherwise, with all due respect to you, I may choose not to address your concerns on the
open Forum, where the discussions seem to be governed by emotions and scoring points against your
opponents.
> It will suffice for me to inform you that I have very serious concerns about what is going on in our
Association. I will take up the concerns with the Board at an appropriate time. My primary focus on this
Association right from the beginning has always been to make our Association legal in the United States.
That objective has been accomplished effectively. My next center of attention at this time is to see to it
that the Association gets its nonprofit status from the IRS. The Chair and the Secretary are the ones who
are providing the critical information requested by the Agency for the determination of our status. My
decision as Chair to keep the old account open and to use it as a budget account for the payment of our
legal services among other urgent obligations is very deliberate. The decision is made in the best interest
of the Association. It is my judgment call as Chair of the Board of Directors. I take full responsibility for it!
> Thank you,
> Prof Omara-Alwala, Chair
> LAONA
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In your response to my letter you clearly stated that I quote "My decision as Chair to keep the
old account open and to use it as a budget account for the payment of our legal services among
other urgent obligations is very deliberate. The decision is made in the best interest of the
Association. It is my judgment call as Chair of the Board of Directors. I take full responsibility
for it!" Mr. Chair, where in the LAONA constitution allow you to make you own decision? You
are the same chair who always preach about using the constitution as a guiding document but
you seem to be going against it! And infect you are making your own decision contrary to the
board's decision.
Mr. Chair, I am very concern about this and if you can not address this bank issue satisfactorily, I
am considering withdrawing from participating in any board's activities until everything is iron
out. I can not continue participating in making decision in which I know will not be implemented
or one person will turn around and make his/her decision contrary to it. What I see here is just
mistrust and insecurity which need to stop! I believe that so many of us are doing everything in
the best interest of LAONA.
Thanks
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Alex,
Not all nembers and board members agree. Please note that some members and board members are
with the Chair on this issue
Many thanks
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To clarify some of the lies and misleading communications and decorating of personal false
information, members please find below the board agreement from the secretary's office on the
issue at hand.
Hon. Members,
We have now heard from all the Board members in regard to opening a new bank account for
LAONA. We have a unanimous Board decision to move forward with opening a new account
therefore here are the next steps.
1. The Treasurer will need to carry out immediate research on the following and report back to
the Board by Friday September 13, 2013:
a. Which of the available nationwide banks would be appropriate for LAONA (reasons)
b. What is required to open a new bank account for LAONA in Philadelphia- documentation of
the association itself and for the officers who will be signatories; and how much money is
required to open a new checking business online account?
c. Would it be easy for signatories outside of Philadelphia to have access to the account?
d. What are the charges, if any, to be expected?
2. The Treasurer will report back to the Board what she has found regarding the bank(s) and the
Board will select a bank based on information presented.
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3. Once a bank has been identified, the Treasurer will open a new account as soon as possible
and provide the Board Members with the new banking information.
4. Once a new bank account is opened, the Chair will close the account in Missouri and
authorize a bank-to-bank wire transfer of the LAONA money directly into the new account.
Please note that the Chair has opted NOT to be signatory on the new account as he would like to
focus his attention on the bigger picture of the organization than on the affairs of any one
particular office of the Association. The Chair nominates the Secretary like most organizations
do and one non-official Board member chosen by the Board as additional signatories (co-signers)
on the Account.
5. The members of the Association will be informed of the new banking information as soon as
it is confirmed.
Hopefully, this can help us move forward with the work of the Association that we were all
elected to perform.
Thank you all.
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Acel…
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From: Atim Alex <atimalex@hotmail.com>
Date: 12/21/2013 6:06 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Charles Emer <charlesemer@gmail.com>,Thomas Omara <omara44@mchsi.com>
Cc: Patrick Okullo <peboo@me.com>,Florence Ocen <ocen_florence@yahoo.com>,Kenneth Otim
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Subject: RE: Missouri LAONA account
Emer,
Oh- so what the Board decided during their last meeting is not valid? I am confused here, do we have
one board or two? Do you want to mean that the Chair and some board members always have a secret
meeting beside the general board meetings? What is the point of the board having a meeting then- I am
therefore very seriously moving on with my plan of withdrawing from the board meetings until I
understand what is going on.
Thanks
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Alex
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Aryo…
Alex,
Not all nembers and board members agree. Please note that some members and board
members are with the Chair on this issue
Many thanks
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From: atimalex@hotmail.com
To: charlesemer@gmail.com; omara44@mchsi.com
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Subject: RE: Missouri LAONA account
Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 23:06:39 +0000
Emer,
Oh- so what the Board decided during their last meeting is not valid? I am confused
here, do we have one board or two? Do you want to mean that the Chair and some
board members always have a secret meeting beside the general board meetings? What
is the point of the board having a meeting then- I am therefore very seriously moving on
with my plan of withdrawing from the board meetings until I understand what is going
on.
Thanks
Alex
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Alex,
No need for drama here. We are talking about approximately a meagre $2000. I don't think it warrants
all these hate and malicious speak I have been reading in the last couple of months.
Am sure even soon after the money is transferred to Philadelphia there will be another avenue for hate
messages against Omara. Thats the part that defeats the whole concept of associating.
It is absolutely your choice to withdraw or even resign from the association am sure someone else will
take it on we are all dispensible. However I suggest you remain and help sanitize LAONA
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Emer
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Emer,
This is not personal- I do not have any personal problem with any body in our association- I love
everybody equally. What we are saying here is that whether the account in Missouri has $1 in it or none
a told - it has to be close as per the Board decision of which you are part of that decision. If you turn and
begin talking the way you are talking, then I would be force to say that you are not principal. Whether
something will come up again, let it come and we address it as it come. As per my decision to withdraw
you absolutely have nothing to do about it and I am kindly request you to leave that to me as you have
nothing to do with it!
Thanks
Alex
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Alex,
If you read my email carefully I HAVE NOT stated my position on LAONA account transfer to Philadelphia
matter of fact I think that should/will happen soon. But read my email carefully am addressing a bigger
problem.
Apwoyo
Emer
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Yes- we should concentrate on bigger issues - Have a wonderful weekend and merry Christmas! One
love,
Alex
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" My next center of attention at this time is to see to it that the Association gets its
nonprofit status from the IRS. The Chair and the Secretary are the ones who are
providing the critical information requested by the Agency for the determination of our
status. My decision as Chair to keep the old account open and to use it as a budget
account for the payment of our legal services among other urgent obligations is very
deliberate".
Mr. Chair, the above statement that you sent to the members via email on 12-20-13 is
false with 98% misleading. Per the decision of the board, the vice chair, Betty Odero
was and is still entrusted with obtaining a tax exempt status for LAONA. She has from
the beginning located the ACANA and has provided to them the needed documentation
that the association already had, i.e. by laws and the constitution. The other piece of
document was drafted by our secretary, Florence, in it, it included past activities and
future activities. It was not your produced work.
Secondly, it is only the vice chair who has firsthand information as to what will be
needed to obtain out tax exemption. The vice, Betty Odero, is in LANGO LAND at the
present moment, and she is in contact with the ACANA via phone. In the event that
ACANA is unable to reach the vice chair, the treasurer was given a go a head to take
charge, of which ACANA is aware and I have already been in their office to verify
documents and I personally mailed it to the appropriate address using my own postage
money, at the direction of ACANA. On Monday, I (treasurer) will place a call to ACANA
to find out any recent updates and I will via the secretary's office communicate to the
members with accurate information when available.
Mr. chair, unless myself or the vice communicates to you about the process/ latest
updates of obtaining our tax exempt status, you can not provide misleading information
to the members just for the sake of lack of what to say. It is disrespectful to LAONA as
an association and members that you are representing to give misguided information
and disregard the decision of the board.
Mr chair, you have the option of resigning if leadership is not your skill.
Thank you,
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
12-21-13
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I personally would like to see this issue resolved before the end of the year so we can
move on. We have so much work to do that it is not helpful to keep going back to this
same issue. And it is important to note that the Vice Chair has been Charged by the
Board to handle the tax exempt status. She is indeed our contact with ACANA - Let us
be clear on that.
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Florence Ocen
Secretary, LAONA
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Chair,
If you remember Atim-Ayang's advice, watch what you say to us members of LAONA.
You are going to let us call you 'akwo' if you do not stop the lame excuses. Who gave
you the power to operate another account yourself on behalf of LAONA.
Hon Chair with due respect, you are acting out of order now. You no longer have the
made to run LAONA Account. This issue was resolved when we elected a Treasurer.
Ben Wacha,
Member (LAONA)
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Thanks to all those who continue to make good use of this very public forum to share ideas that
are beneficial to all the members! Keep it up!
I would like urge us all to learn from Nelson Mandela and his legacy. Unless you really hate
Mandela, you cannot be a leader in this age - at any level- and (yet) refuse to copy his
HUMILITY, HONESTY, and all his good qualities of a great leader that almost 'tangibly
flooded' all forms of media in the recent past.
He did not force himself or manipulate/intimidate his way into recognition. His global
recognition came from great, selfless service - poor though he was! Let's learn to focus on what
will benefit a whole lot of people in a sustainable manner - like Mandela did for his countrymen!
I always said since September that the amount of money we have in our LAONA account today
is IMMATERIAL (in any argument for or against transfer/closing of old Missouri acct). All that
matters is for us to do the right thing: hand over full responsibility to the rightful custodian:
treasurer. With great minds and hearts combined (what I refer to as synergy), that bank account
will grow to build many schools, hospitals, etc than anyone of us could do on his/her own
(single-handedly)! It is about doing the right thing: respecting and appreciating everyone's role-
in this case, the LAONA's treasurer.
We have waited to see the game-changing, very "important things" our leaders have been singing
about but nothing is materializing!
Get Missouri to Philly transfer done so we get to see the big things without obstruction.
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Caesar
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I respectfully call upon all to discard this unwarranted tit for tat method for
dealing simple issues which have already been successfully deliberated and
agreed on. When we started this, the main gist was to trade up to TD Bank.
Since this objective has now been realized, it's time for us to move forward with
other equally vital priorities.
Had it not been due to our own doing, right now it could have been
correctly and emphatically be asserted that nothing is standing on the path for
our match to a higher frontier. It' thus vital to completely stop this constant
casualties from friendly fire. My goodness... check this... you can't even go in
the bushes without being hit from behind at the most vulnerable moment when
you are minding your own business. Can any saint among us clarify if in indeed
this is the LAONA we are working hard to build?
Let's put all this unfortunate mud slinging behind and resume building
LAONA into a resource we are all proud of which enables our members.
Apwoyo,
Hudson Ayo.
PS: I take this opportunity to wish you all a "Merry Christmas and a Happy
New Year"... Wherever your are, please don't forget to grab your wonderful
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<alobo_sarah@yahoo.com>
Me I
Omara Alwala no longer deserve to be referred to as the chair with some of his cronies.
What are we seeing here?
Are we really sane people?
Are we sure that there is only one bank account under Mr. Omara Alwala's control?
Are the leaders we elected people of sound integrity?
Can't we take legal action for incompetence, fraud and abuse of office against these leaders. We
have more than enough evidence.
Patrick O. O.
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Bro Hudson,
Indeed I am one of those enjoying the malakwang! It is exactly about one year today when we
started or rekindled these nostalgic talks of Olel, malakwang, Jedi, ninja, etc- as jokes of course!
I would like to react to your post in two ways: what I agree with, and what I don't agree with. I
am doing this because you have repeated this set of ideas (or ideology) quite a number of times.
2. I also agree with you that we should steer clear of tit for tat. Even a naive person can sense
that some actions/reactions are motivated only to retaliate (over something alien to most of us, in
some cases). Such an action/reaction, indirect though they be, is the only example of (extreme)
lack of professionalism that continues to dog us, and that I can easily think of. People with
(behind the scenes) personal issues must not bring it on this forum, lest, at this rate, I am afraid
one sees some nasty spilling of beans around the corner. Just my gut feeling. We had one last
year (also about this time) and Hudson aptly referred to that period of surreal embarrassment as
"distressful anomaly". Remember? We learnt from it, and we don't want to be taken back to
those days!!!
3. I somewhat agree with you that the current tone is out of control. However, you missed a
critical reason that was given for the uproar and skipping of protocol. I will recap it for you! It
started with yet another episode where the Board never implements what they had already agreed
upon! Instead, goal posts are changed/shifted in very controversial and never convincing manner
without due regards to the Constitution. When a partially dysfunctional Board - as we may then
infer, gets stuck again, MEMBERS have the absolute power, - and it is Ok - that they be
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consulted/informed. The Board (members), like all seasoned leaders, must embark on talking
assertively, and not obsequiously/ambiguously especially when it clear-cut case, like in this bank
account case.
2. Member input and concerns are not distractions/sideshows. They must be listened to and given
serious considerations from time to time. You (Board members) were elected to represent
members, NOT because you knew everything that is in the best interest of members aka
"association". Therefore, you must consult members and not merely write to them email telling
them how you "value and appreciate their concerns". You have to ACT based on members' input/
concerns. The members' input must drive Board decisions. (Disguised) tiers will not be tolerated
by members!
3. The "objective"of TD bank" has not yet been realized. So I do not agree with you here. The
"objective" is "realized" if and only if everything is in sync- if get what I mean.
Caesar Ogole
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Mr. Okullo,
If you can recall earlier/ mid year, I sent out my vote of no confidence on this same
individual you are referring to. I remember, you asked me for reason(s) for vote of no
confidence. I tried hard not to give specifics, an attempt to avoid character assentation
of Mr. Omara. As you can see, those reasons are now self service to those members
who are not biased, and those who sincerely want LAONA to elevate to levels of
greatness for the benefit of all Lango people. That vote has never been withdrawn
pending drastic change in leadership, where integrity, principle, respect are not
compromised and dictatorship in this case is strongly discouraged in LAONA. The noise
in the house is against all that is wrong now in LAONA and the wounds are self inflected
on those who are crying out loud with baseless defense. We cant change this chair's
behavior unless he decides himself, to change for the sake of uniting all of LAONA
members. We need a leader that can unite all of us and not divide us. One that is
socially current and accepting of all LANGO people regardless of which regions they are
from.
Thank you,
Sarah, Alobo
Treasurer/ LAONA
12-22-13
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I have a suggestion that could show confidence. Believers action talks louder than words. Lead
by example.....start by donating new money to LOANA by depositing reasonable amounts to the
new account in Philadelphia and announcing your deposits not just pledges in this forum. In
addition to tge inevitable transfer of the eventual final balance in Missouri.
Emer
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From: Benjamin Wacha <bmwacha@outlook.com
Date: Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 9:29 PM
Subject: FW: Appointment of the Chair of the Research and Development Committee of LAONA.
To: Hassan Ben Wacha <hmwacha@gmail.com
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Hon Chair,
Thank you for the new appointment and taking the necessary steps to do something for
the Association.
With that said, I looked at the new committee, and then read through the functions as
you stated above, I have a few remarks to make and hope that you can help me in
synching the entire thing.
And finally, it seems to me that this committee has been based on a commercial entity,
that is involved in some production and distribution process. Are we to infer that LAONA
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Or may be can Hudson Ayo himself enlighten us on what he has volunteered for and
how we in LAONA, and the general Lango community can benefit from his committee.
Thank you,
Ben Wacha,
Member (LAONA)
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I was the first, only after the Treasurer to deposit in TD bank long time ago! Except I am guy
who doesn't like talking about money in public. All the three co-signatories (Sarah, Florence and
Alex) are aware of my donation in TD bank.
I made it clear I will add a more significant amount in the TD bank, at an opportune moment but
in fact, I meant after the dubious Missouri account done away with!
I believe some of us have successfully done many actions for LAONA that are a thousand times
more important than donating merely $500 or so to prove believer's action.
Caesar
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Wacha,
Waoh you sonated $500 ans deposited at ye TD bank! Can the Treasurer or Florence
confirm this! That's excellent. .
Thank you
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Omina Chalisi,
Good idea Charles. That is a sign of progress. I salute you for this initiative.
But, what happens to the other ill-fated account in Missouri? Are we going to close it or still
waiting for some anonymous 'Bills' to be paid off first?. Let us do first things first without
fumbling and stampeding.
Thank You,
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Ben Wacha
Member (LAONA).
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The "functions of the Committee include but not limited to"...............Whatever the
Committee decides goes as long as it is legal under our nonprofit condition.
You have not answered my question. Can you please respond to what I asked. I am not
privy to what the Board decided. I am a layman out here.
Thank You,
Ben Wacha
Member (LAONA)
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I convey to you all our best wishes for A MERRY CHRISTMAS AND
HAPPY,
PRODUCTIVE AND PROSPEROUS NEW YEAR to you and all your
families. We feel for you in the cold North America while we are in the
middle of
the dry, hot and windy season. The attached card is a coupon which
you can redeem in person next time you are in Lira.
Jojok Amalo.
An Wadwu
Robert M. Okello (Ph.D)
Tel: +256-777-19 34 98
Skype: okello.macomodo
ATTACHMENT:
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Dear Robert,
We needed something humorous to change the tone on this forum. Every discussions
here had been so tense. How is Lira? I will make sure I look for you to redeem my
coupon once I am in Lira most likely in January. Have a wonderful holiday!
Alex Atim
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Brother Robert,
What a card, what a card. This is a well deserving card especially coming from Lira.
Poor rooster: things do not look so milky anymore.
That said, this is a card I will sure work at redeeming it while in Boroboro.
Ben Wacha
Member (LAONA)
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Thank you Robert for that unique and timely Season's greeting!
Twon gweno no pore ni olel alela eka camo Decima dong te bedo akome!
Happy Christmas!
Caesar
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Mr. Omara,
We are not in this association because of what we do or are doing or what brought us into this
country. We are in this association because we share a common origin and our desire to promote
and uplift our origin.
Yes I would have loved to volunteer in any position in the association. But my conscience is
questioning your integrity because of the way you have been acting for the last six month. I have
completely lost trust and confidence in you and that makes me not even want to work under you.
You should learn to respect people's mandate. If members had thought you were the alpha and
omega, all these executives would not have been voted and everything would have been
entrusted to you like in the beginning.
Do not think that if you had used threats and intimidation to other people who tried to put a
check on your abusive ways and it worked in your favour. It will not work on me. Why are you
still maintaining the account you initially opened temporarily if you don't have fraudulent ideas?
You no longer have the mandate to transact any financial business on behalf of the association
except the treasurer. Am calling for an investigation against you. If you know you have not done
anything fraudulent on behalf of the association, you should not be worried because that is how
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transparency and accountability works. I know the association will be audited regularly for its
entire existence for checks and balance.
Let my suspicion of a secret account opened in the name of the association be investigated to
clear the air.
Thanks.
Patrick O. O.
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<ecapitalfunds@yahoo.com>
Mr.. Omara,
If you have run out of ideas, just resign instead of threatening our members with a law
suit. This is the third member that you are publically threatening with any legal action.
Learn to address the issues at hand with reality, by acting accordingly not threats. You
are wrong under all circumstances and it does not take anyone with a Law degree to let
you know this. You are not acting in the best interest of the association but rather an
attempt to confuse everyone from the real issues, which you have the power to fix. I
wish you can be a leader for a minute because we desperately need a sane leader now.
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Sarah on show-offs
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Sarah,
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Whenever you see someone barging about their wealth, take a look at their background. It might
have a lot to tell. Rich or well to do people don't brag about what they earn unless opoto bala
tugu.
We are all equal in this association and every penny counts. however small it is, it makes up the
billions we hear from those who earn it.
So when we ask for accountability. It starts from the first penny to infinity.
Omara Alwala is not LAONA and LAONA is not Omara Alwala. He is not the custodian of our
money and he should not think he can do or say anything including those with crocodile tears.
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All,
A LAONA member and myself independently conceived an idea: that we gather some of our favorite
quotes, from the many words that we exchanged through the year. We will compile and share the
quotes with everyone as "quotes of the year 2013".
Submit your top 5 quotes to me by Dec 31. Compiled list of quotes will then be shared early Jan. The
name of members who submit the quotes will not be shared.
The type of leadership we experienced in 2013 was a "systematic design by some few people" to play on
the members' minds - for reasons best known to them -them, but that we can only speculate.
=> All the vague and annoying ambiguous responses to questions and in communications from some of
our leaders, and the surprising "confidence tricks" played by some of our leaders, and the "current anger
of the members" are all explained in this article:
http://www.lermanet.com/deprogramming/five-steps-to-create-a-cult.htm
Going forward, intellect must rule. We will have zero tolerance for empty talks. Fraud is illegal!! If it
means dissolving the current leadership structure, we will do it without hesitation. Enough is enough!
Caesar
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All,
Nice way of starting off 2014! Most of the “words that we exchanged throughout the year”
have not been positive and in fact most times they were designed specifically to denigrate
certain members. While some people may find these kinds of exchanges funny and very
exciting, a large number of the members are completely turned off by the tone of these
exchanges. I am therefore wondering how many of the members, other than the authors of
those words and their friends would find these exchanges actually funny and quotable! I am not
trying to discourage anyone from submitting their “favourite quotes” however; this could be a
very good gauge of how the members feel about these kinds of exchanges. It would be an eye
opener to everyone who is part of this association to see what our members liked the most
about the “words that we exchanged throughout the year”. My suggestion is therefore that
instead of members sending those quotes to be compiled, they should respond directly through
the forum with their “favourite quotes”! Anyone who would like to compile them can then do
so as the “favourite quotes” pour in! In addition, it would also be very interesting to see who
among us thought their own words were their “favourite quotes.” These were all public
exchanges therefore it is perfectly fine for members to respond publicly, neither is it a vote
process therefore no worries of votes being influenced here. Although unscientific, this exercise
should give us a clear idea as to what members think about our exchanges. It will be assumed
that one person or at the most three people submitted the quotes if a compiled list is presented
without the names of members who submitted the quotes. Let the members speak! Let the
quotes roll!
Sincerely,
Florence Ocen
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Florence,
You and I, under normal circumstances tend to think alike. In fact, even your view of this very
exercise is no different from mine, except that you have jumped in to PRE-EMPT the results by
offering your own predictions. I would prefer to wait for the real data to speak for itself :) I am
also perfectly OK with your suggestion that let the "quotes roll in" PUBLICLY.
It was no accident that I said the quotes will come from "words that were exchanged through the
year"- except that you have gone ahead to interpret it "openly" to everyone. That's actually what
I meant literally.
On the other hand, there were some great words of wisdom, so we don't have to let pessimism
overshadow everything.
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I am sure a lot of us were turned off, but the people who were turned off all the time should also
not claim that they are saints for they had ample opportunity to intervene to make things better
by offering appropriate pieces of advice, - and those "civil interventions" would constitute or
stand out as our "quotable" lines among the many "not funny and not exciting" ones. Basically,
anyone who simply kept quiet or did not contribute much -claiming to have been turned off - will
not carry the title of a saint. Let's be clear about that! Those people will fall under the category of
blank answer sheets turned in by an examinee.
Yes, the overall intent is to gauge the "health" of our contributions by seeing where the "data" is
skewed. And from that we learn important lessons. The purpose of the exercise is far from a
child's play.
I am on the road now, but I do have my favorite quotes that I will send rolling in a bit!
Caesar
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LAONA FORMATION - HIGHLIGHTS IN ORIGINAL WORDS IN 2013 – THE YEAR THAT WAS
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Caesar,
Thank you very much for all the flash back of 2013. I personally learnt a lot of great
characters from certain individuals that I have never met, or had a chance to
communicate with via
1. Dr. Gloria, strikes me as an individual worthy of emulating just from her writing alone.
LAONA members, we have been robbed off a great leader, such as Gloria. How could
we have done this to our great association? This lady was full of class, respect,
inclusion of everybody, valued all opinions, very objective in her opinions,
intelligent and most importantly, honest, just to mention a few good qualities I have
discovered of her. She would have been a breath of fresh air to forming our association.
Anyone out there who communicates with this exceptional individual, Dr. Gloria, please
extend my gratitude of her exemplarily leadership.
I know your leadership was short lived, an attempt to preserve your integrity amidst
confusion beyond your control
The alternative now is driving all of us crazy simply because some people were not
born to be leaders, as a matter of fact, they were destined to be alone in their own
private island with no social life. We can only pray to God to help us all in moving
LAONA forward because we have found ourselves held hostage to one and a few,
preventing elevating of LAONA forward.
As my Sociology professor once put it " Past behaviors predicts future behaviours".
Moving into 2014, we should all strive for a better LAONA, one that is not divided,
inclusive of all Lango/ Langis in NA, a transparent leader(ship) in all levels of this
association and most of all a more socially acceptable LAONA, regardless of stratified
social levels. (class, status, prestige, etc.)
A VERY HAPPY 2014 EVERYBODY!!
These are my opinions and are expressed from the bottom of my heart.
Thank you all,
Sarah, Alobo