During the last quarter of the 20th century, momentous changes took place
in the way people in the West understood society and themselves.
By the 1980s this was no longer the case. Changing job and career
patterns broke the link between identity and work. Gradually, a new
understanding of identity broke through: “I am what I do when I do not work – I
am the people I associate with, the music I like, the causes I embrace”.
Views on society changed at the same time, largely due to the influence of
post-modernism and under the impact of the disintegration of communism. Post-
modernists argued that no explanation of society (and no ideology) could be
based on scientific evidence. All such explanations were “grand narratives” (big
stories) and none of them contained any more truth than any other. We could,
therefore, choose the story about society that we found most attractive – rather
than worrying whether it was “true” or not. Ultimately, post-modernists argued
that we could put together our own stories about society, by picking pieces from
all available narratives and putting them together in no particular order.
It was only a matter of time before this approach entered the domain of
identity – before people would decide that they could put together their own
identities from various bits and pieces that they liked. As this conclusion was
being reached, it was challenged by Huntington’s “clash of civilizations” thesis,
which argued exactly the opposite: that the dissolution of previous identities and
the discrediting of the “grand narratives” led people to seek simpler, not more
complicated identities. And that the simple identity that was most attractive were
the great religions and their related civilizations.
On identity
With this term (modern identity) I want to designate the ensemble of
(largely unarticulated) understandings of what it is to be a human agent: the
senses of inwardness, freedom, individuality, and being embedded in nature
which are at home in the modern West.
On the Enlightenment
Fulfilling my nature means espousing the inner elan, the voice or impulse.
And this makes what was hidden manifest for both myself and others…
Here we have the notion that the good life for you is not the same as the
good life for me; each of us has our own calling… We are all called to live up to
our originality…
On freedom
Another major idea we have seen developing is that of the free, self-
determining subject… what is universal in the modern world is the centrality of
freedom as a good. This, together with the ideal of universal benevolence, has
generated another deeply entrenched moral imperative, to universal justice…
And of course these ideas of freedom and dignity, in association with the
promotion of ordinary life, have steadily eroded hierarchy and promoted equality
– and that in all sorts of dimensions, between social classes, races, ethnic and
cultural groups and the sexes.
The need for an escape from the restrictions of the unitary self has indeed
become an important recurring theme in this century, and all the more so in
what is sometimes referred to as “post-modernism”… The recognition that we
live on many levels has to be won against the presumptions of the unified self…
And this means a reflexive turn, something which intensifies our sense of
inwardness and depth, which we have seen building up through the whole
modern period.
That’s the interesting thing about the human condition — that you have
these different cultural constellations that open up parts of people’s minds but
close others. So the interesting normative issue that arises from all this is how to
maximally develop, and make as full as possible the things that are good in this
country — while somehow seeing whether we can’t recuperate some of the
losses.
We have greater power, we can develop these big societies like nations
where you can have some degree of control over things since you share a
common cultural identity.
On culture
When I began to understand how our culture shapes our whole
understanding of politics, what we argue and write about, the more obvious it
became to me that different cultures have to be approached by grasping those
different structures and modes of understanding.
On trust
I think that there is the concern of the civic republican tradition,
which is a concern with constantly recreating through collective action the
preconditions for mutual trust and solidarity. Without these free societies
can’t function.
On equality and the collective
Then there has been developed on top of that a very articulated
human rights discourse, human rights law, and so on, concerned with
individual rights, with equality and non-discrimination, with the promotion
of democracy, so that a lot of people now look at politics in this
framework… And that has come to eclipse the tradition of worrying about
the collective creation of the common conditions of trust which alone, I
think, make this kind of society possible.
On immigration and national identity
They let all these people in — or in fact invited them in, in the case
of the German Gastarbeiter — but they don’t want to reorder their identity
in order to give them a place… Now, until the very recent past, until the
last 50 years or, the Europeans hadn’t had this kind of influx. Or, as in the
case of interwar France, they did, but in conditions where the people
concerned — Italians, Portuguese, some Poles — were eager to be totally
assimilated. They were willing to be integrated, and so they were.
Later they got people who couldn’t easily make this jump. That’s
something totally new, and it’s very disorienting. I can understand that.
But the creative and only possible response is to take account of that to
redefine national identity.
The importance of identity
At the moment in the West, we have a huge cultural fight within ourselves
against Islamophobia. There’s a kind of mindless Islamophobia that says all 1.2
billion Muslims believe the same thing and that what they believe makes them do
terrible things.
On participation
I think that there’s no such thing as total neutrality, particularly in
terms of what the good life is. For instance, the notion of participating, of
being a citizen, taking part in determining the future of yourself and your
society – I think this is not an ‘optional virtue’, as it were (laughs): it’s
very close to the health and lifeblood of liberal, democratic society. We
should be upfront about that.
On living together
I think that’s what we have to aim at if we want to get these
differences out into a sphere where there can be a rational and calm
discussion of how to live together with tension between different groups.
It’s only by coming to such a language that we can have a discussion that
doesn’t degenerate into a kind of stigmatising of the other.
On solutions
…in a general sense there are no final, determining solutions. There
are deep dilemmas, and we’re being pulled in different directions, and
we’re going to have to find the least destructive way of putting things
together… We’re never going to reach a final and definitive solution…
There’s always going to be the problem of putting perspectives together.
There will always be people pushing terribly hard in one direction and not
paying attention to other requirements. We are always going to need to
knit together a solution that will last for a while between opposing
tendencies.