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https://youtu.

be/bq79UrN_iwM

We are in a new reality now that a critical mass of people realizes what is actually
going on. The Black Nobility has a strong reaction to being exposed, and is finally
beginning to understand that this is only making things worse for them now that we
have reached critical mass.

We the people are in a coalition that also includes all of the military powers of the
world. We are now cleaning up the corruption in the world's paper money issued by
the central banks. This clean-up of the corruption in the world's money is called the
Global Currency Reset.

José Rizal put the vast wealth that used to be held by the Vatican on deposit for the
benefit of humanity in a trust called the Global Debt Facility. José Rizal's lawyer was
Ferdinand Marcos. Rizal and Marcos created the World Bank and IMF as a big world
cooperative to make sure the world's wealth wasn't stolen and went to the world's
people.

That's where I come in. I figured out what Rizal and Marcos had done. I got a lot of
help to figure this out. When I say, a lot of help, I mean a lot of help. The world's
military powers, all of them, all of them, are making sure we stay the course so that
the world's wealth stays with the world's people.

This link shows you the letters I wrote in 2015 to all the countries for the Global
Currency Reset
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Alternative%2Bto%2BWWIII.pdf
Teleprompter: https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/dctvteleprompt3.26.19.pdf

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https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter3.30.19.pdf
Thank you for raising these pertinent questions. The short answer is that the Banking
Cartel and the Black Nobility at its center have been confusing people in their
spirituality and sacred immortal souls. Many Catholic people are working with us to
root out the evil which we are exposing today.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter2.27.19.1.pdf
We are not going to get bogged down on the topic of religion or statehood for
Washington DC until we have cleared the world's money from corruption.

Just to give you some perspective on your questions about the Vatican and
Washington DC, please look at our January 22, 2019 show.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/dctvteleprompt1.22.19.pdf
https://youtu.be/1x4avr330ek

I am going to give you a flavor of the legal mumbo where the Bankers were hoping to
get us tangled up with the Vatican and with Washington, DC Around 1213 King John
surrendered the Kingdom of England to the Holy See under the Golden Bull or Bulla
Aurea. In 1215 under direct papal authority King John issued the Magna Carta (Latin
for Great Charter) and this officially established the one mile square block called the
City of London Corporation as a sovereign entity from England and London.

The United States of America's Government per se is now a Religious non-profit "the
United States of America Corporation" "closed" corporation - no stock shares per se is
solely owned by the City of London and the "Inc." counterpart of 1933 (jointly owned
by the "Crown" and the Vatican) were formed to act as the transmitting utility for the

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US Debt after gold was eliminated and were re-formed in Maryland in 1982 as a
corporation that fits right into the corporate structure of Washington District of
Columbia that was incorporated in MD for the first time in 1982 under the Reagan
Administration before he decided for the first time in history on January 10, 1984 to
exchange diplomats with the Vatican that had been incorporated for the first time in
1929 as a result of the February 1929 Lateran Treaty initiated by Jesuit Tachi Venturi
and Pius XI using Mussolini.

Next, I direct your attention to the Treaty of Verona (1845) in which the then-Pope
and the British Monarch, both Trustees of the American national trust, agreed that
the representative form of government was incompatible with Divine Right of Kings
and with Papal Supremacy, and so both acted in secretive Breach of Trust.

The British Monarch issued Letters of Marque and Reprisal to the members of the Bar
Association (British Crown Commercial Company) which issued licenses to privateers
to attack American “vessels” in international jurisdictions of the law. That, Sir, is the
genesis of Bar Association Licenses.

A “license” as you must know, is permission to engage in an act which would


otherwise be illegal.

The Americans responded by quickly passing an Amendment to their Constitution


effectively barring attorneys from holding public office. In 1860, Abraham Lincoln, a
Bar attorney, was elected President of the United States (Commercial Company) but
could not lawfully act as the President of The United States of America (Major).

This is why representatives of eleven Southern States refused to be seated and left
the Congress adjourned sine die.

In 1863, Lincoln was forced to bankrupt the original Trust Management Company doing
business as The United States.

After years of bankruptcy reorganization known euphemistically as “reconstruction” a


new Trust Management Organization was incorporated by the Church, doing business
as the United States of America, Inc.

This entity operated under Church auspices from the end of the Reconstruction to
1912, when the Trust Management Organization was purchased by a consortium of
banks doing business as the Federal Reserve.

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From: Karen Hudes
Date: Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 9:31 AM
Subject: Re:
To: "J. P. C." <zebedeejpc@gmail.com>

I will not reply to any more messages. It is all the same to me. This is for your own soul that
you need to care for or not, your choice. I am not the only one who finds Phelps fishy:
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/ericjonphelpsexposed1part24oct08.shtml

Webre was also trying to stop the Global Currency Reset. Now good-bye.

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 6:14 AM, J. P. C. <zebedeejpc@gmail.com> wrote:


Strange you will reply to my messages since you think I am mind controlled, a shill, and/or agent
with Eric Phelps.

---------- Forwarded message ----------


From: Karen Hudes
Date: Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: questions.
To: "J. P. C." <zebedeejpc@gmail.com>

I am busy and you are bothering me. I have seen enough of you. Phelps was working with Strunk
and both of them together tried to get me to do things that would have prevented the currency
reset. Phelps tried to use you because he knows I am onto him. I am no longer holding your
identity in confidence after you refused 3 times to apologize to me for what you did

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 1:11 PM, J. P. C. <zebedeejpc@gmail.com> wrote:


Because the Luther Church has been infiltrated by the Jesuit Order. Their churches in the WCC
and NCC.
They muddy up the truth. You can sing in the choir in and do great things. But this does make
one saved.

---------- Forwarded message ----------


From: Karen Hudes
Date: Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 5:58 AM
Subject: Re:
To: "J. P. C." <zebedeejpc@gmail.com>

did you know that I was baptized in a Lutheran church in 1977 and sang in the choir through
1987? Why did you send me this?

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 5:56 AM, J. P. C. <zebedeejpc@gmail.com> wrote:


[Jhn 3:16-18 KJV] 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not
perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him
might be saved. 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath
not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Karen Hudes
Date: Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 5:13 AM
Subject: Re: Why Did The Jesuits Build Sink The Titanic
To: James Chido <peterchido@icloud.com>

James, James, James, Where is your apology? I want nothing to do with you until receiving
this. This apology you have given me is not what I sent to you. This is what I sent to you: As
we both know, I am "Jim" in the attached correspondence.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter9.26.17.1.pdf

Florida Homeless Being Rounded Up To FEMA Camps & Possibly Killed


Karen Hudes Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 3:01 PM

To: Jim

Of course I say everything about the Jesuits.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wtYdQamXyMM
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/dctvteleprompt12.13.16.3.pdf

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After my years of injuries, threats, and agents trying to steal the world's gold, you
should be happy that I am cautious. The fact that you are blaming me for anything
says volumes.

I have told everyone to get into a small group and to work locally. That is what you
need to do now, especially after sending me this email. Goodbye, Jim

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 2:18 PM, Jim wrote:


I could not be agent if I tried. I do not have a distribution network. This is the truth
because what I see is accumulation of information saying the same thing.
I notice you do not say to much about the Jesuits much just you words like Banking
Cartels. If anyone should be asking questions it should be common people like me.

Bye.

On Sep 26, 2017, at 9:14 PM, Karen Hudes wrote:

prove to me that this is the truth and that you are not an agent of the Banking Cartel.
The only way I can be sure is after there is decentralization. That is why I am out of
the business of "vetting" news for the people. Use your own distribution network.
Bye. (I am posting some things on Jesuits -- but be aware that the organized religions
are all working out of the same hymnal, and that we need to clean up our money
system before tackling religion or we will fall prey to the "divide and conquer" trap.

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Jim wrote:


Florida Homeless Being Rounded Up To FEMA Camps & Possibly Killed

https://youtu.be/BDAyNLomwcw

Jim may have sent me this email now so that people will think I am caught up in the
divide and conquer problem. [Jim sent me another email, and I now see that he is
working with an agent of the Banking Cartel, without knowing that the man who put
him up to sending me the email was an agent]. [now that I have told James that
Phelps is an agent, based on our further correspondence, I am disclosing James'
identity now. I have had enough.]

This was in one of my files on "Jesuits". I also have a very large file on Homeland
Security, which is a stronghold of the Jesuits in the US, as you can see from the
teleprompter in my DCTV segment on the Jesuits:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/dctvteleprompt12.13.16.3.pdf

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlcJ-9bm7Sc&feature=gp-n-
y&google_comment_id=z12uzfq5jnm0ibjvi23axxojrzr5c3gb204

https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/dctvteleprompt12.13.16.pdf

https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/dctvteleprompt12.13.16.3.pdf

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Many Catholic people are working with us to root out the evil which we are exposing today.
https://ia601505.us.archive.org/18/items/lcatholic6/lcatholic6.pdf
Also, please see my post today about the head of the snake:

https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/headofthesnake1.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9E0gUiVoHsI

Yes, I now realize that you have disclosed the role of the Jesuits in the international financial
system, and I realize that you have stated impartially and objectively who the main players are.

I was not trying to arouse any suspicion about whether or not you have any "axe to grind" and
thus to hinder the Global Currency Reset by creating doubt about your role as Overseer Mandate
Trustee of the Global Currncy Reset, financed from humanity's assets in the Debt Facility.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter9.26.17.1.pdf
Why is this important? Because you are part of the problem and not part of the solution without
this.

Instead, you are sending me quizzes. This convinces me that you are either a shill or under mind
control. I need the full apology, word for word. Thank you.

On Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 2:35 AM, James Chido <peterchido@icloud.com> wrote:
Karen,
In my last email, where I state that you treat common people like cattle, that was more of the
same. I am sure that this is not the case. I will not trouble you further.
I believe you. I wrong with my perception. I do not think you perception that I was view as
cattle.
Sorry.

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On Sep 30, 2017, at 6:29 AM, Karen Hudes wrote:

the apology I expect from you is the following: As we both know, I am "Jim" in the attached
correspondence. Yes, I now realize that you have disclosed the role of the Jesuits in the
international financial system, and I realize that you have stated impartially and objectively
who the main players are.

I was not trying to arouse any suspicion about whether or not you have any "axe to grind" and
thus to hinder the Global Currency Reset by creating doubt about your role as Overseer Mandate
Trustee of the Global Currncy Reset, financed from humanity's assets in the Debt Facility.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter9.26.17.1.pdf

In my last email, where I state that you treat common people like cattle, that was more of the
same. I am sure that this is not the case. I will not trouble you further.

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 4:46 PM, James Chido <peterchido@icloud.com> wrote:
Bizarre.
Their is no bases for offering an apology. Strange.
I guess I am just commen person is cattle in your view.

On Sep 29, 2017, at 11:43 PM, Karen Hudes wrote:

James,

I am busy and have already dealt with this subject elsewhere. I do not think it is productive to
remain in contact without an apology from you. Good bye

On Fri, Sep 29, 2017 at 1:12 PM, James Chido <peterchido@icloud.com> wrote:

Why Did The Jesuits Build Sink The Titanic

---------- Forwarded message ----------


From: RJ Date: Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:24 AM
Subject: RE: GOOGLED "jesuit edmund walsh was the handler of both jesuit joseph
stalin and franklin roosevelt through jesuit georgetown university" //Re: The
JESUITS and AGENDA 21...the INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND and the

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BANK of INTERNATIONAL SETTLEMENT //Re: JES
To: Dave Hodges <davehodges@thecommonsenseshow.com>, Jeff Rense
<sightings@mindspring.com>, zengardner1@gmail.com, Karen Hudes/WORLD
BANK Whistleblower , Dave Martin <dcdave2u@verizon.net>
Cc: Rense Radio <renseradio@yahoo.com>, Field <fieldmcc@yahoo.com>, Chris
Kitze <chris@beforeitsnews.com>, "H Michael Sweeney/www.proparanoid.net"
<proparanoid@comcast.net>, Jim Rothstein/NYCPD ret <boots@meltel.net>,
MOHAWK NATION NEWS <kahentinetha2@yahoo.com>, Doug Hagmann
<director@homelandsecurityus.com>

Thanks much -- the full story is missed (avoided) once again .

Kinda makes one wonder if Martin’s (and Rense’s) seeming ignorance stems from
personal preferences, agenda or both. Eh?

From: Jim
Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2013 12:34 PM
To: RJ Barnett; 'Dave Hodges'; 'Jeff Rense'; zengardner1@gmail.com; 'Karen
Hudes/WORLD BANK Whistleblower'; Dave Martin
Cc: 'Rense Radio'; 'Field'; 'Chris Kitze'; 'H Michael Sweeney/www.proparanoid.net';
'Jim Rothstein/NYCPD ret'; 'MOHAWK NATION NEWS'; 'Doug Hagmann'
Subject: GOOGLED "jesuit edmund walsh was the handler of both jesuit joseph
stalin and franklin roosevelt through jesuit georgetown university" //Re: The
JESUITS and AGENDA 21...the INTERNATIONAL MONETARY FUND and the
BANK of INTERNATIONAL SETTLEMENT //Re: JESUIT

Randy....Dave Martin does NOT TELL the 100% TRUTH...here IS the truth about
WHAT was behind the murders of James Forrestal and Joe McCarthy - and I am
SURE that both of them were NOT aware of WHO was in the background controlling
BOTH sides.....and Dave Martin will NOT touch this either or he would already HAVE
DONE SO by now......

One Evil: Edmund A. Walsh S.J.

one-evil.org/content/people_20c_walsh.html
An American Jesuit Catholic priest, professor of geopolitics and founder of
the Georgetown University School of ... financial assistance on the provision
that Joseph Stalin S.J. was appointed to oversee the day to day operations of the
nation. ... were never recorded into the trials, even though every single defendant
wore ...

One Evil: The Vatican Holocaust Part 1

one-evil.org/content/acts_vatican_holocaust.html

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The Holocaust- the mass sacrifice of over eighteen million
innocent Protestants, ... years ago by Catholic dictators
Adolf Hitler S.J. and Fr Joseph Stalin S.J. represents the ....
But upon the election of Franklin Delano Roosevelt as President,
the Catholic ... Thanks to the work of Georgetown University
Jesuit Fr. Edmund Walsh ...

RTV Slovenija / Zabava / Blog / Nastanek boljševiške revolucije in ...

www.rtvslo.si/pda/?&c_mod=pda&op=blog&func=entry...
Jesuit-Ruled Anglo-American White Power Structure Behind Bolshevik
Revolution ... in overthrowing both the Russian Czar and the Russian Orthodox
Patriarch. ... outraged about FDR, Churchill, French, etc., yoking up w/ mass
murderer Stalin to ... In conclusion, an American Jesuit of Georgetown
University stated it plainly.

Newer Post - The Jesuit Vatican New World Order - Blogger

vaticannewworldorder.blogspot.com/.../pope-is-worlds-defensive-coordi...
May 10, 2012 - This, dear reader, is the evil genius of the Druidic Jesuits
at its finest. ... of what the U.S. has spent on both the Iraq and Afghanistan
wars thus far: .... at the Edmund A. Walsh school of Foreign Service,
Georgetown University. ..... about FDR, Churchill, French, etc.,
yoking up w/ mass murderer Stalin to betray ...

ILLUMINATI = JESUITS THE TOP OF THE PYRAMID - YouTube

www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL33eAKVeyFh3JRX_yuN5du4EjSL...
The Bilderberg Group was founded by Jesuit / Knight of Malta Joseph
.... who were crucial in the creation of the DHS agency,
were both Jesuit trained. ... at Jesuit institutions most notably,
Georgetown University, the Jesuit fortress of the USA. .....
Josef Stalin and President Franklin D Roosevelt ,
overseen by The York Rite ...

Jesuit-Trained Movers and Shakers [Archive] - David Icke

www.davidicke.com › ... › Main Forums › Illuminati / Secret Societies


Joseph Goebbels was born into a strict Catholic, working-class ....
(Note: Both Stalin and Agagianian had been trained at the Jesuit
...... He did research for a Ph.D at Georgetown University and
Georgetown's Edmund A. Walsh School of ......
In 1933 when FDR recognized Stalin's USSR, Jesuit Walsh from ...

Jesuit-Trained Movers and Shakers [Archive] - Wu-Tang Corp ...

www.wutang-corp.com › ... › The Elements › Know The Ledge

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Nov 30, 2010 - Joseph Goebbels was born into a strict Catholic,
working-class .... (Note: Both Stalin and Agagianian had been trained
at the Jesuit ...... He did research for a Ph.D at Georgetown University
and Georgetown's Edmund A. Walsh School of ......
In 1933 when FDR recognized Stalin's USSR, Jesuit Walsh from ...

THE BANKSTERS OF THE ROMAN EMPIRE

www.greatdreams.com/economy/banksters-u-s.htm
Nov 12, 2008 - 10-27-08 - Today, I was sitting on the sofa winding yarn
into a ball so it wouldn't ...... of Jesuit Edmund A. Walsh of
Jesuit Georgetown University in Washington, .....
After the appointment of [Fordham Jesuit University-trained]
Knight of ... the dictatorship of Joseph Stalin in 1931
just before FDR recognized his ...

From: RJ Barnett <fuel4life@cableone.net>


To: Jim 'Dave Hodges' <davehodges@thecommonsenseshow.com>; 'Jeff Rense'
<sightings@mindspring.com>; zengardner1@gmail.com; 'Karen Hudes/WORLD
BANK Whistleblower'
Cc: 'Rense Radio' <renseradio@yahoo.com>; 'Field' <fieldmcc@yahoo.com>; 'Chris
Kitze' <chris@beforeitsnews.com>; 'H Michael Sweeney/www.proparanoid.net'
<proparanoid@comcast.net>; 'Jim Rothstein/NYCPD ret' <boots@meltel.net>;
'MOHAWK NATION NEWS' <kahentinetha2@yahoo.com>; 'Doug Hagmann'
<director@homelandsecurityus.com>
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 7:53:08 PM
Subject: RE: The JESUITS and AGENDA 21...the INTERNATIONAL MONETARY
FUND and the BANK of INTERNATIONAL SETTLEMENT //Re: JESUIT
OPERATIONS // MILITARY KNIGHTS of MALTA OPERATIONS

I recall that Jeff posted an excellent report by Dave Martin


http://www.rense.com/general94/frr.htm
9-29-11

about two prominent anti-Communist Americans-- James Forrestal & Senator Joe
McCarthy – that deserves close scrutiny.
The CIA agents (alleged killers) at Bethesda were more likely assigned by Wild Bill
Donovan’s protégés than any Zionist network.
I doubt it could have happened without a nod from Dulles.

What does Jeff say?

RB

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From: James
Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:29 PM
To: Dave Hodges; Jeff Rense; zengardner1@gmail.com; Karen Hudes/WORLD
BANK Whistleblower
Cc: Rense Radio; RJ Barnett; Field; Chris Kitze; H Michael
Sweeney/www.proparanoid.net; Jim Rothstein/NYCPD ret; MOHAWK NATION
NEWS; Doug Hagmann
Subject: The JESUITS and AGENDA 21...the INTERNATIONAL MONETARY
FUND and the BANK of INTERNATIONAL SETTLEMENT //Re: JESUIT
OPERATIONS // MILITARY KNIGHTS of MALTA OPERATIONS

re: MY LINKS are the result of what is in this article by Dave Hodges posted
to RENSE.COM

is LARIMER COUNTY Colorado......

The Most Corrupt County In America ?

Jeff "it's The JEWS did it" Rense is TOO DISHONEST TO POST ANY OF THESE
LINKS of IRREFUTABLE FACTS...and IF "Zen Gardner" ever puts out an article of
what I have provided in these links - Jeff Rense WILL NOT post it either...this will of
course PROVE what I've said for years that Jeff HIDES MUCH TRUTH by NOT
posting and by "let's ALWAYS blame The JEWS - it's THEM" or "it's the ZIONISTS"
to COVERUP the JESUITS and The VATICAN (just WHO do you suppose
CONTROLS Zionism ?) - Jeff Rense tells me in one of our conversations regarding
JESUIT/KNIGHTS of MALTA/VATICAN CONTROL "I have NEVER seen ANY
evidence of this" ! !...this is an OUTRIGHT LIE since I've emailed him TONS of
REAL "evidence" over the past years of these FACTS and he LIES BY OMISSION of
NOT posting to RENSE.COM thereby DENYING the millions of readers of his site
FACTS of TRUTH that EVERYONE MUST KNOW.....THE JESUITS RULE OVER
"The JEWS" (and EVERYTHING and EVERYONE else for that matter).....and BTW -
Dave Hodges WILL NOT touch ANY this either....I've emailed him information along
the lines of what's in the links below and SILENCE is all I got back - that is reinforced
by him NOT TELLING the 100% TRUTH in what he writes.......

James
Concerned Citizen,Researcher,Investigator,Whistleblower
37 years living in the NWO Capitol of The West-DENVER
now a Dual Citizen in Vancouver British Columbia

1. THE CLUB OF ROME - JESUIT PAPAL DEPOPULATION AGENDA 21


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Agenda 21 explained very well. Including implications it will have on humanity.
Opinions within the video come ...
4. Agenda 21, ICLE, Jesuits, NWO - A News Reporter
anewsreporter.weebly.com/agenda-21-icle-jesuits-nwo.html
Mar 1, 2013 - Ann Bressington Exposes Agenda 21, Club of Rome ... Fyodor
Dostoyevsky puts the role of the Jesuits into perspective for us: .... Exposing the
philosophy behind secret societies, this presentation unequivocally proves from ...
5. AGENDA The New World ... - Fossilized Customs
www.fossilizedcustoms.com/agenda.html
AGENDA. The New World (Jesuit) Order and world tyranny:
The Jesuit Order .... Sure, they use the ruse or facade of "Jewish bankers" to
hide behind, but this is ..... 21:12) DOGS (Rev. 22:15) That's all there is, so the choice
will be easy for us.
6. Jesuits | Mohawk Nation News
mohawknationnews.com/blog/tag/jesuits/
4 days ago - The UN “Agenda 21” is the hostile takeover of the world to control
all its .... in front and behind their backs are the small pox infested blankets.
7. 911:Jesuit Order - Wiki
www.thebabylonmatrix.com/index.php?title=911:Jesuit_Order
Oct 22, 2013 - But the Jesuits have a much darker rationale behind all the world
conflicts they ..... "Agenda 21 outlines, in detail, the UN's vision for a centrally ...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u_Jp45hLQWk

Teleprompter: https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/dctvteleprompt2.7.17.pdf

Slim Frank
Karen , I have a question for you about congress. My question is , Is the congress today the
dejure continental congress or just a defacto corporate congress??

Karen Hudes
It is just a defacto corporate congress. The members of Congress sold out to the Banking Cartel.

Slim Frank
Is this why it is called U.S. congress instead of continental congress ? So from my studies and
what I get out of this is that , the articals of confederation (ratified in 1781)granted power to the
States with a continental congress then a constitution was written and (ratified in 1789)by the
continental congress that gave limited powers to a federal government but was usurped in 1871
with a new unconstitutional corporate congress acting as a dejure but defacto congress infiltrated
. Is this correct?

Karen Hudes
You are partly right. The Articles of Confederation did not work because the individual states
were all sovereign and all the other nations of the world would not accept that arrangement. So
that is why the Constitution of 1789 was put into place. It was not adopted by the Continental
Congress, but by a separate arrangement that was independent of the Articles of Confederation,
and required separate ratification by the individual states. The Congress was supposed to act
under the Constitution of 1789. Instead, the Congress became corrupted, and suspended the
Constitution of 1789 by declaring a state of emergency in
secret. http://www.barefootsworld.net/war_ep1.html

The US Congress then acted under the second, secret Constitution of 1871, which was foisted
illegally on the people of the US behind closed doors, without their understanding that the
Constitution of 1789 was no longer in effect. Benjamin Franklin (an agent of the Banking Cartel)
had sabotaged the people when he negotiated the Revolutionary War debt to fall due in 1871.
This secret arrangement has now been suspended, and the United States is in interregnum.
Members of Congress are now secret agents of the Banking Cartel. They are committing
treason and corrupt. All members of Congress, without exception.I have now become a sting
operation, because the elites (except for Pakistan, Guyana, and one other country who I recall
was Ivory Coast, but cannot now verify in my records), did not name the negotiating team for the
Monetary Agreements to accept their country's monetary gold reserves for minting of gold
currency http://www.peakprosperity.com/podcast/84359/new-way-hold-gold

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I asked Dave Hodges to make corrections in an article on his website, which he declined to do
for several years. I now see that Hodges has made the requested changes, but the comments
section contains disinfo and Dave Hodges still appears to be trying to discredit me now. The rest
of this blog shows how I can assist during the Global Currency Reset in documenting where the
corruption is that has to be cleaned up. We will need to do a thorough housecleaning. I expect
many people in the media to start disclosing more and more corruption, as Dave Hodges is now
doing. But we will need to sharpen our critical thinking. The small groups that are put together
by people locally are going to be the bedrock. Corruption and gatekeepers are the rule, rather
than the exception, unfortunately.
The rest of this post is taken from three separate "tweets" that I made. (I have given the urls's).
There is also a very revealing article by Lars Schall, written about the anthrax attacks on US
Congress. Lars Schall's article on me remains one of the best.
http://www.larsschall.com/2013/05/08/governance-issues-at-the-world-bank-a-security-risk-to-the-world-
order/

The following is an article about me on the internet that was posted by a website hosted in
Bangladesh. As predicted by the National War College's power transition model, the Global
Currency Reset finally appears to have reached critical mass. The power transition model is 90-
95% accurate.

http://economics1971.blogspot.com/p/karen-hudes.html?spref=fb

Karen Hudes
Karen Hudes .....

001) World Bank Whistleblower Reveals How The Global Elite Rules The World
A) Karen Hudes is a graduate of Yale Law School and she worked in the legal department of

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the World Bank for more than 20 years. In fact, when she was fired for blowing the whistle
on corruption inside the World Bank, she held the position of Senior Counsel.
B) According to Hudes, the elite uses a very tight core of financial institutions and mega-
corporations to dominate the planet.
C) A former insider at the World Bank, ex-Senior Counsel .@KarenHudes , says the global financial
system is dominated by a small group of corrupt, power-hungry figures centered around the privately
owned U.S. Federal Reserve.
D) Today, Hudes is trying very hard to expose the corrupt financial system that the global elite are
using to control the wealth of the world.
E) there is a “super-entity” of just 147 very tightly knit mega-corporations that controls 40
percent of the entire global economy…
F) The World Bank, the IMF and central banks such as the Federal Reserve literally control
the creation and the flow of money worldwide.
G) At the apex of this system is the Bank for International Settlements.
H) "Some states have already started to recognize silver and gold, the precious metals, as
currency” ------ Karen Hudes Whistleblower
I) We have a system of “neo-feudalism” in which all of us and our national governments are enslaved to
debt.

J) the global elite also control what we see, hear and think about.

K) Today, there are just six giant media corporations that control more than 90 percent of the news and
entertainment that you watch on your television in the United States.
L) This is the insidious system that Karen Hudes is seeking to expose. For much more, you
can listen to Joyce Riley of the Power Hour interview her for an entire hour right here.

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Unfortunately, my interview with Joyce Riley was a stress interview, as I stated in in


this tweet on March 16, 2016:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXsIy2l9jaI
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/dctvteleprompt3.1.pdf See the comments section
on yesterday's DCTV segment.

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The question on everyone's lips is "where do we go from here". As Overseer Mandate
Trustee of the Global Debt Facility, I have:

 recorded the Global Debt Facility's security interest in the insolvent Federal
Reserve that is now in receivership and prevented the Vatican and other parties
from stealing the world's international monetary gold reserves

 informed the representatives of the secret military government that the United
States is in interregnum and that they have no authority to prevent me from
returning to my job as Acting General Counsel of the International Bank for
Reconstruction and Development [see attached notice to Attorney General Karl
Racine ]
I am now a "placeholder" for the sorting out process. I speak on behalf of the Board of
Governors of the World Bank and IMF. The Department of Defense power transition
model shows that humanity has 90-95% likelihood of recovering our inheritance in the
Global Debt Facility https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/sentia+model.pdf

From: Karen Hudes


Sent: Wednesday, March 2, 2016 7:37 AM
To: letters@nypost.com
Subject: http://nypost.com/2015/02/26/why-does-the-federal-reserve-fear-a-real-
audit/

Seth Lipsky is only doing his job as a journalist: perpetuating the media blackout. There
is a cover up of corruption so deep as to end life as we know it. The New York Post is
trying to put a bandaid of normalcy over the situation. Fortunately, a group of people
have coalesced to fight this corruption, and what is more we are winning the battle.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter3.1.16.pdf

I am tired of documenting the corruption in US Congress which is playing a charade to


amuse the people that have not caught on.

https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter8.30.15.1.pdf We have discussed how


auditing the Fed is nothing more than a sick joke while the GAO, Congress are actually
perpetuating martial law in the United States.

Auditing the Fed is a waste of time. That outfit does not own the US international
monetary gold reserves. Here is a previous comment, that was simply covered up in the
false media front you perpetuate:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter1.21.16.1.pdf

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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Cheryl
Date: Wed, Mar 2, 2016 at 2:05 AM
Subject: Re: Philippine Wealth
To: Karen Hudes

I apologize. I did not try to bribe you. I asked you to help us coz I read it's your law firm.
I apologize for being ignorant.
We will be praying that you will be back on your desk soon. Take care and God Bless.

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 2, 2016, at 11:01 AM, Karen Hudes wrote:

Use your senses. I cannot be employed by you and accept payment from you.. I am
publishing this as an attempted bribe. If your poor countrymen are starving, it is
because the Network of Global Corporate Control is trying to steal the assets in the
Global Debt Facility, and unscrupulous people are trying to circumvent the open,
transparent processes envisaged. When I am back at my desk inside the World Bank,
you will know where to find me. And White Spiritual Boy may be asked to sign as
authorized signatory on several transactions, alongside other authorized signatories.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 6:43 PM, Cheryl wrote:


Understood. May I ask you few questions?

Why you cannot help us because the chance of success is slim? You're thinking that
we're wasting your time? You did not believe him as the Anointed "White Spiritual Boy-
777?

I know that you refused to help us. I still give you some informations that you might
already knew. The White Spiritual Boy -777 is sanctified by ARDIAN MONCADO
MARCOS also known as "Spiritual WonderBoy (AM-01) an ancient universal grand
divine master and with biometric identification on file with the World Bank Office with
Titular Degree No. 01-02274-OA-NL. The Spiritual Boy -777 is the mandated and
General Holder of the "Ancient Entire Universal Sacred Mother Scroll Devine Wealth"
and the "Royal Mother Title 01-4" covering all assets and properties for the benefit of
the Philippine Islands along with the Sagrada Familia" Santissima Trimidad" THE
ENCANTADORES.

The "Royal Mother Title 01-4" identified as monetary back up with previous
commodities from Philippine Islands and certified on Sept. 10, 1976 at the World Bank
Headquarters, in Washington DC. U.S.A. The White Spiritual Boy-777 is the exclusive
representative of "Spiritual WonderBoy (AM-01) ARDIAN MONCADO MARCOS. Based
from the MOTHER and Extended Trust Account ALPHA OMEGA-777 as each details
bank names, bank accounts, numbers that contain all informations in various coded
name and aliases with their respective full bank coordinates link to the MOTHER
TRUST ACCOUNT!!

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Again I understand that you refused our request. We are still hoping that you will
change your mind that you are going to help us, for the sake of our poor countrymen
who are starving and to help us combat the corruption which is like a disease in our
country.
I don't know those little information that I wrote above will ever change your mind to
help us but if not we really appreciate your time. Thank you.

On Mar 2, 2016, at 4:35 AM, Karen Hudes wrote:


I am not anybody's lawyer but the Board of Governors. Tell him no dice.

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 1:32 PM, Cheryl wrote:


Ms. Karen,
He does understand that anybody can call himself the spiritual wonder boy. He also
understand that he needs to be authenticated by the Board of Governors of the World
Bank but he needs your help. In order for him to be recognize and authenticated by the
Board of Governors he would like to hire you as his lawyer. He would like to meet you
and show you first all the pertaining evidences including the seal and the Code that
ONLY himself knew and will say when he will meet the Board of Governors.
We all know how difficult it is to penetrate the World Bank and he said that you're the
ONLY one can help him because you are not afraid to tell the truth.
Lastly, I would like to ask you a big favor not to disclose my name.
Thank you.

On Mar 1, 2016, at 11:44 PM, Karen Hudes wrote:

Anybody who calls himself spiritual wonder boy does not understand that he needs to be
authenticated by the Board of Governors of the World Bank. no thanks

On Tue, Mar 1, 2016 at 7:34 AM, Cheryl wrote:


Subject: Philippine Wealth

Message Body:
Dear Ms, Hudes,
I was following your story and what happened to you working in World Bank. I admire
your courage. I need your help regarding the truth about the Philippine wealth which
the World Bank is in control of it. Our country is so poor that with those wealth we can
help our countrymen out of poverty. Please we need your help.
We have the original documents that can prove to World Bank that what they're keeping
is our wealth. The spiritual wonder boy 777 would like to meet you. I would like to ask

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you to give us time to explain. I pray and hope that you will help us to help our poor
country. I hope you will response my email.
Sincerely,
Cheryl
--
This mail is sent via contact form on kahudes http://kahudes.net/contact-us/

JEWEL
Thank you again for your delivery of this grand message. I tried to send this video in an email
and an exclamation point came up in a red block that said: ! This message isn't valid." Am I
missing something? This has never happened to me before.

Karen Hudes
+JEWEL I tried to respond on YouTube to a comment, and my reply was blocked, so I tweeted
it: https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter2.29.16.pdf

Michelle Garner
+Karen Hudes You mentioned that the reset has launched. So does this mean we are simply
waiting for it to complete or what exactly do you mean? I read where the "cabal" is not going
quietly and threats and negotiating are still going on. Will this be an ongoing thing? Will there
ever be an end? I am sure they do not want to let go of the last bit of power they have left. This
seems to just drag out to no end. We are all tired as I am sure you are as well. Thanks for your
message and hard work.

Karen Hudes
+Michelle Garner That is THE QUESTION. Several years ago, I thought the power transition
model https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/sentia+model.pdf was like soup; you put in the
ingredients and stirred, and then you had the end result. I have since learned that the
stakeholders, that is those who influence the problem, have to know what is going on, and have
to get involved. It is taking a long time to let people know what reality is, especially because of
the military mind control technologies. http://www.g-
casa.com/conferences/shanghai/paper_pdf/Liu-mindcontrol.pdf I think enough people know
what is going on to keep us in the game, and that we are ultimately going to break through.
More people are going to have to get involved. But as the elites learn that they are unprotected,
we are going to see an acceleration in the Global Currency reset.

Further information for those interested in French royalty in the United States and the
Springs family investments:
http://theunhivedmind.com/wordpress/the-payseur-french-royal-family-in-the-united-states-of-
the-virginia-company/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancaster_and_Chester_Railroad#Colonel_Leroy_Springs
http://www.lovethetruth.com/books/13_bloodlines/rothschild_02.htm

I turned down some invitations for interviews after my experiences on The Power Hour
with Joyce Riley and Future Money Trends. I see no reason to be subjected to stress
interviews in order to generate advertising revenue for these agents of the Network of
Global Corporate Control. Word is getting out through social media.

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I left word for Mayor Bowser at the meeting on February 29, 2016, where I spoke
with Beverly Perry, Jason Yuckenberg, and Tommie Jones
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter3.1.16.pdf about the corrupt business
environment in the District of Columbia, and hidden martial law.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter2.29.16.1.pdf
The District of Columbia's police force may not prevent me from returning to my job
as Overseer Mandate Trustee of the Global Debt Facility and Acting General
Counsel of the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development. There is no
valid barring notice, because none of the corrupt officials in the World Bank or in
Allied Barton have any authority to commit the Board of Governors of the World
Bank and IMF, which I represent. I also represent the voice and vote of the United
States on the Board of Governors and Boards of Executive Directors of the World
Bank and IMF because the US is in interregnum.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter2.8.16.1.pdf

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https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#sent/134f803fa8e7a798

Sting Operation in Bretton Woods Institutions


March 9, 2014 - Conspiracy, Featured, Main - Tagged: bretton woods, currency collapse, Dave Hodges The Common Sense
Show, depression, IMF, karen hudes, THE BANK OF INTERNATIONAL SETTLEMENT, The Liberty Beacon, world bank

TLB contributor: Karen Hudes

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In a special presentation for The Common Sense Show

The World Bank and the International Monetary Fund are called the Bretton Woods institutions because that
was the name of the ski resort in New Hampshire where 44 founding nations met in 1944 to establish these
international organizations. The hidden purpose of the World Bank and IMF was to supervise the world’s
gold, other precious metals, art and treasure, held in a trust for the world’s people. That trust is called the
Global Debt Facility, and Hudes is working with all the countries of the world and with many whistleblowers
to ensure that this gold is properly accounted for and comes out of its cloak of secrecy. The stated purpose of
the World Bank was to finance the reconstruction of war-torn Europe. After the reconstruction following
World War II, the World Bank began to finance development projects in its members. The stated purpose of
the IMF was to supervise member’s currencies. The World Bank and IMF have now grown to 188 member
countries, and they share the same Board of Governors; some countries have the same representative on the
resident Boards of Executive Directors of the World Bank and IMF.

Power Transition Model


Predictions of either a crash-up in the equity markets or a massive haircut of bank depositors are incorrect. A
power transition model developed in the Department of Defense outperforms intelligence analysts hands down
and is now predicting rule of law in the international financial system.
http://philosophyofmetrics.com/2014/02/18/sdrs-and-the-new-bretton-woods-part-six/comment-page-
1/#comment-584
This is after Karen Hudes and other World Bank whistleblowers testified in the European Union and UK
Parliaments about corruption in the Bretton Woods institutions and in the rest of the international financial
system. The UK Parliament’s website published three of Hudes’ statements on corruption at the World Bank.
The EU’s lawyers sent the World Bank Hudes’ chronology of corruption. http://kahudes.net/wp-
content/uploads/2012/05/exhibit3.pdf
House of Commons International Development Committee, Written Evidence for the inquiry into The work of
the Independent Commission for Aid Impact, published July 7, 2012 available here:

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmintdev/writev/402/contents.htm

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House of Commons Public Administration Committee, Written Evidence for the inquiry into
Public engagement in policy making, published November 2, 2012 available here:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm201213/cmselect/cmpubadm/writev/publicpolicy/m03.htm

House of Commons Public Administration Committee, Written Evidence for the inquiry into Complaints Do
They Make A Difference, published July 20, 2013, pages 186-7 (Elaine Colville, another World Bank
Whistleblower's testimony is on Page 178) available here:
http://www.parliament.uk/documents/commons-committees/public-
administration/Complaints%20Consolidated%2024%20July.pdf

The European Parliament Committee on Budgetary Control Hearing on Whistleblowing May 25, 2011
available here:

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/document/activities/cont/201105/20110518ATT19540/20110518ATT1954
0EN.pdf
According to the power transition model, the United States must continueto ally itself with the EU and try to
include Russia into the coalition. Unilateral action by the United States, whether in Iraq, Syria, the Ukraine, or
spying on its allies, undermines the Western Alliance and accelerates the Asian challenge. The Executive
Directors of the World Bank were blackmailed in a prostitution scandal involving the same bordello Eliot
Spitzer frequented. Hudes also reported the corruption to taxpayer groups, US credit rating agencies, the
attorneys general, responsible for enforcing “blue sky” securities laws to protect holders of World Bank bonds
in the states, and the New York missions to the United Nations.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/general+assembly3.docx
Bank for International Settlements = Banking Cartel

The Bank for International Settlements was established by the central banks of Belgium, France, Germany,
Italy, Japan, and the United States in 1930 to manage Germany’s reparation payments following World War I.
Now consisting of the central banks of 60 countries, the BIS is at the center of a hidden banking cartel which
dominates the world’s capital markets. This banking cartel has control over 40% of net worth of the 43,000
companies traded on the markets, and 60% of the annual earnings, according to a study by three
mathematicians (Stefania Vitali, James B. Glattfelder, and Stefano Battiston: “The network of global corporate
control“, ETH Zurich, published September 2011
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/1107/1107.5728v2.pdf )
The Banking Cartel is responsible for state capture in a number of countries, including the United States. The
Rolling Stone article written by Matt Taibbi entitled, “Everything is Rigged”, discusses the goings-on of this
conglomerate.http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/everything-is-rigged-the-biggest-financial-
scandal-yet-20130425
Most Americans are unaware that the US remained a British colony, subject along with the UK to Rome; our
ignorance can be attributed to lawyers’ gobbledygook and the complicity of the media. The lawyers thought
they could keep people from figuring out what is happening. Maury Maverick was the first lawyer who warned

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another lawyer, “Stay off the gobbledygook language. It only fouls people up.”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gobbledygook
The people in the United States got so mad at lawyers’ gobbledygook that they amended the United States
Constitution to protect themselves from lawyers. The lawyers fought back by erasing the
amendment. http://www.gemworld.com/usa–original13thamend.htm And then the lawyers decided to enact
a hidden Constitution in 1871 when Revolutionary War debts fell due.
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Two_Constitutions_in_US.pdf The UK and the City of London have
been subservient to the Vatican ever since the Concession of May 15, 1213.
http://anationbeguiled.com/?p=1277
Our founding fathers built in a safety valve in Article V, providing for Constitutional Convention to take the
United States back from the Jesuits (who currently collect two thirds of our tax revenues via the Federal
Reserve) and the British Crown (which collects the remaining third of our taxes.)
http://blog.ucadia.com/2012/08/uofu-episode-92-america-sea-of-
souls.html https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Two_Constitutions_in_US.pdf For good measure the
lawyers decided to louse up the courts so nobody would find out what they had
done. http://www.scribd.com/doc/106226872/Retired-Judge-Spills-the-Beans
Here is a meeting of citizens in Charleston, who researched their state house records:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/two+constitutions.pdf
http://blog.ucadia.com/2012/08/uofu-episode-92-america-sea-of-souls.html
Here is a letter, written some time between 1913 to 1921 from Colonel Edward Mandel House to
Woodrow Wilson found in Wilson’s personal diary/logs

“Very soon, every American will be required to register their biological property (that’s you and your
children) in a national system designed to keep track of the people and that will operate under the ancient
system of pledging. By such methodology, we can compel people to submit to our agenda, which will affect our
security as a charge back for our fiat paper currency. Every American will be forced to register or suffer being
able to work and earn a living. They will be our chattels (property) and we will hold the security interest over
them forever, by operation of the law merchant under the scheme of secured transactions. Americans, by
unknowingly or unwittingly delivering the bills of lading (Birth Certificate) to us will be rendered bankrupt
and insolvent, secured by their pledges. They will be stripped of their rights and given a commercial value
designed to make us a profit and they will be none the wiser, for not one man in a million could ever figure our
plans and, if by accident one or two should figure it out, we have in our arsenal plausible deniability. After all,
this is the only logical way to fund government, by floating liens and debts to the registrants in the form of
benefits and privileges. This will inevitably reap us huge profits beyond our wildest expectations and leave
every American a contributor to this fraud, which we will call “Social Insurance.” Without realizing it, every
American will unknowingly be our servant, however begrudgingly. The people will become helpless and
without any hope for their redemption and we will employ the high office (presidency) of our dummy
corporation (USA) to foment this plot against America.”
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Eric Holder is suing Standard & Poors for its role in the subprime-mortgage securities catastrophe. According
to Floyd Abrams, S&P’s attorney, the “intensity” of the Department of Justice investigation “significantly
increased” after August 2011, when S&P downgraded the U.S. government to an AA+ rating from
AAA. Holder denied there was any connection between the lawsuit and the downgrade. The press refused to
inform voters of the cover-up of corruption during the presidential election in the United States. Mitt Romney
had appointed the former president of the World Bank, Robert Zoellich, as his National Security Transition
Planning Chief. The media is owned by the international conglomerate.

Germany and Russia are helping to overcome the media black-out. Hudes was interviewed three times on
RTTV,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hgA9j-4dB0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v1vXhqO1_2A and also interviewed for a German website with 1.5
million viewers per month: http://deutsche-wirtschafts-nachrichten.de/2013/09/17/whistleblowerin-
geheime-machenschaften-der-finanz-eliten-zerstoeren-die-welt/ translation at
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/germanyarticle2.docx
Deutsche Wirtschafts Nachrichten asked Hudes why a military helicopter had buzzed the US consulate in
Frankfurt on September 9, 2013. Hudes informed the Pentagon unit familiar with the power transition model
of der Spiegel’s report on an anonymous German official, who claimed the flyover was “a shot across the bow
of the Americans.”

On the Edge
When Dominique Strauss-Kahn did his job as Managing Director of the IMF by asking about the gold in the
Global Debt Facility allocated to the citizens of the world, he was run out of town. The United States remains a
scofflaw and a deadbeat, failing to meet its shareholder commitment on the World Bank’s capital increase.
This is because Jacob J. Lew, Secretary of the Treasury, forgot to tell US Congressional Appropriations
Committees http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/international/development-
banks/Documents/2013%2009%2005%20GCI%20Report%20-%20Posting.pdf whether the effects of
retaliation against whistleblowers had been eliminated, which is a condition for release of the funds allocated
to the capital increase under § 7082 of the Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2012 (Pub. L. 112-74)
http://www.whistleblower.org/storage/documents/whistleblowerlanguageinHR2055.pdf
Hudes is a World Bank bondholder, and sued the World Bank, its medical insurer who disclosed confidential
medical information, the World Bank’s auditors, KPMG, and a lawfirm hired by the World Bank’s ethics
department, who slandered Hudes instead of reporting on whistleblower retaliation. Hudes claimed that
KPMG violated auditing standards of the Public Company Accounting Oversight Board when KPMG’s
Assistant General Counsel refused to allow her to inform KPMG’s audit team that the World Bank had
stonewalled a Government Accountability Office inquiry into corruption called for by Senators Lugar, Leahy
and Bayh.

The World Bank’s Executive Directors and Board of Governors settled Hudes’ litigation, reinstating Hudes as
Acting General Counsel of the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development in order to qualify for

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the US capital increase. Hudes is a World Bank bondholder and entitled to accurate financial information
from the World Bank. https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/judicialconference.pdf
Allied Barton, which is owned by the international conglomerate, provides security personnel to the World
Bank. Allied Barton refuses to admit Hudes to the World Bank headquarters building. The members of the
World Bank issued Hudes a security badge for attendance at the Spring Meetings of the World Bank and IMF.
Hudes attended the meetings on April 19, 2013, but the US Secret Service denied Hudes admittance for the
final two days of the meetings. In an April 21, 2013 letter to Julia Pierson, Director of the US Secret Service,
which Hudes cleared with the member countries of the World Bank, Hudes claimed that she informed then
Senator Chuck Hagel in August 2008:

“Playing cat and mouse with these serious governance issues at the World Bank is also a security risk to the
world order, as I informed Chuck Hagel when he autographed his book, “America Our Next Chapter,” for me.
When you get a chance for serious bedtime reading, in addition to Senator Hagel’s book, take a look at “The
War Presidency”. This is by the group which predicted four years ago that the Gentleman’s Agreement [for the
US to appoint the president of the World Bank] would end if the US did not stop its hegemony at the World
Bank.

US Dollar and Other Currencies


After World War II, the U.S. dollar became the main currency for international capital flows outside of
Europe. By the early 1960s, the US dollar became weak from spending on Great Society programs and military
spending on the Vietnam War. By 1971 the US dollar was no longer convertible into gold. Then in 1973
European currencies began to float against the U.S. dollar. The US convinced oil exporting countries require
the use of dollars to buy oil.

The paper, or so-called fiat money system (including the dollar and other world currencies) is on the brink of
collapse. The technical word for this is permanent gold backwardation: when all offers to sell gold for dollars
are withdrawn regardless how high the bid price may go. On July 7, 2013, gold leasing ended when “GOFO”
(the difference between the rate offered for future leases and the rate that applies to leases already in force)
became negative. The gold basis (the difference between the nearby futures price and the spot price of gold)
also became negative. This indicates a shortage of deliverable gold and gold hoarding.

Just like in 1971, negative GOFO indicates the risk of permanent backwardation. Without restored confidence
in international currencies, a chain-reaction leading to a barter economy commences, bringing serial
bankruptcies, unprecedented unemployment, and shortages of food, fuel, and medicine. This would result in
famine, pestilence, and a break-down of law and order. When the value of US Treasury paper erodes, no
amount of bond buying by the US Federal Reserve will be able to stop the collapse of the fiat dollar. The
monetary reserves of the world’s currencies will be extinguished, representing the largest destruction of
fiduciary values in all history.

Goldman Sachs announced two downgrades in the price of gold, first at the end of February, and then on April
10, 2013. Then the Federal Reserve assaulted the price of gold through uncovered gold certificate short sales

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on April 12 of 500 tons. Gold prices were rising against the dollar because of eroding confidence, as the Fed
printed more dollars than people were willing to hold. Utah, Missouri and Idaho already have laws recognizing
gold and silver bullion coins as legal tender, and a dozen more states have introduced similar bills.

The Wizard of Oz
Picture L. Frank Baum‘s “Wizard of Oz” with the World Bank whistleblowers as Toto, the dog who pulls the
curtain back on a small elderly man in a projection booth who is operating a contraption to create the illusion
of the scary Wizard of Oz. Mainstream media is the projection booth, the fiat banking system is the Wizard,
and the yellow brick road is the highway to value-based currency.
The Wizard has been truly scary. US Presidents including Lincoln have been assassinated when trying to end
fractional reserve fiat currency. John F. Kennedy was assassinated eleven days after negotiating the Green
Hilton Agreement to transition from Federal Reserve notes to dollars issued by the US Treasury and backed
the world’s hidden gold deposits. Word of these secret deposits is leaking out: on 16th February 2012 Lord
James of Blackheath referred to 750 thousand metric tonnes of gold in hiding.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLrHOgy0tRo
Precious metals traders had urged Hudes to warn of the imminent risk of permanent backwardation in the gold
market, exacerbated by gold price manipulations by the Federal Reserve. Hudes also warned that the
timeclock was running on the escalating confrontation between Russia and the US in Syria and the Ukraine.

The World Bank and IMF’s Development Committee represents the Board of Governors between the semi-
annual meetings. After the Development Committee reinstated Hudes, they agreed to replace fractional
reserve fiat currency with sound currency, backed by the world’s
gold. https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Karen-Hudes+(2).jpg But the Banking Cartel is preventing the
decision of the Development Committee from being implemented. Eric Holder charged Hudes with criminal
trespass after she reported to work on May 13, 2013. This is lowering the US credit rating, as well as the
World Bank’s credit rating, and bringing the world to the precipice of a new dark ages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy-2GaT6RMo&feature=youtu.be&a

Race for Rule of Law


Hudes is claiming that the cover-up of corruption will end before the US dollar crashes. Brazil, Russia, India,
China and South Africa, which account for 25% of world trade, are moving away from US dollars in financing
their inter-country trade. Instead, the BRICS nations are financing this trade by using offsets and gold. Hudes
claims that Americans, who consistently prefer that the US act jointly with other nations in foreign affairs by a
75% majority, are waking up to a reality that depicts the United States as a nation far different from its portrait
in mainstream media: a war criminal guilty of torture and crimes against humanity in successive wars of
aggression in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and now possibly the Ukraine.

WHAT CAN YOU DO?


What can you do to end the corruption that is affecting the US credit rating and about to cause a currency war?

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Ask your state legislatures to recognize gold and silver as legal tender so long as the Federal Reserve is still
issuing fiat fractional reserve currency instead of the Treasury issuing asset-backed currency. Also, let your
county executive and Governor know that the people in your state want to be able to use gold and silver as
legal tender.

Ask your state legislatures to establish a state bank similar to that in North Dakota

Let your Congressional delegation know you expect them to comply with Article V of the Constitution after 42
of 50 state legislatures have called for a Constitutional Convention,
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/LettertoZacharySomers.pdf and work with others in your state to
prepare for the Convention.

Bio

Karen Hudes has devoted three decades to exposing corruption in the world’s financial system. She worked in
the World Bank’s Legal Department for 21 years, and was appointed to a Board taskforce on reform of the
World Bank. She reported a cover-up of corruption up the corporate ladder to the World Bank’s Audit
Committee, to the US Treasury Department, to the US Congress, and then to 188 member countries of the
Bretton Woods institutions. Occupy Wall Street says “Hudes’ story is easily the most interesting, compared to
major financial scandals, surveillance, etc. The American public, indeed the whole world, would unify with an
understanding of a rigged world for a few.”

Dave,
You refused to correct your misstatements in the article that I published about a third
prediction which says that there is a rule of law alternative and that your "gloom and
doom scenario" is not inevitable, but a mere 5% likelihood. Now you refused to post my
comment to your article "14 Things You Can Do To Survive the Coming Economic
Collapse". Why is that?
http://philosophyofmetrics.com/…/sdrs-and-…/comment-page-1/…

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[this link to the power transition model
https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/sentia+model.pdf
was taken down ]
------ Forwarded message ----------
From: Karen Hudes
Date: Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 10:47 AM
Subject: Sting Operation in Bretton Woods Institutions
To: Dave Hodges <DaveHodges@thecommonsenseshow.com>
Dear Dave,
This is my second request for a correction to
http://thecommonsenseshow.com/…/sting-operation-in-bretton…/ to include the latest
comments of Elaine Colville and me in the UK Parliament House of Commons Public
Administration Select Committee on page 186 of the report on Complaints: Do They
Make a Difference? "Today's dire circumstances call for immediate and forceful
intervention in the hope that time still remains." and Elaine Colville's complaint on page
178 "It devolves on Parliament to sort out this egregious state of affairs."
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/document/activities/cont/201105/20110518ATT19540
/20110518ATT19540EN.pdf
Also, I would appreciate your including in the "7 thoughts" section this response to the
two commentators calling me a "shill" based on their "gut feelings". My information on
the financial system, and the disclosures of other whistleblowers who are working hard
to piece the puzzle of humanity's proper history, have been hard won. Some of the
whistleblowers have been killed in their prime, This is the chronology of my efforts:
http://kahudes.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/exhibit3.pdf
Best,
Karen

https://s3.amazonaws.com/khudes/Twitter2.4.15.pdf

Do I smell a rat?
Senator Leahy, Minority Chair of the Senate Judiciary Committee, which is
refusing to acknowledge the fact that the US federal courts are nothing more
than a charade, with employees of a large corporation masquerading as
judges, had a major role in passing the Patriot Act. See Lars Schall's article,
which follows. Leahy's assistant, Tim Rieser, stripped off the Bayh

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Amendment [requiring G.A.O evaluation of the World Bank] that was
unanimously approved by the entire Senate.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sunil-chacko/senator-bayhs-long-bye-
by_b_518141.html Some of my correspondence with Senator Leahy's office
at the time is at the foot of this tweet.

http://www.larsschall.com/2015/02/04/the-perpetrators-of-the-2001-
anthrax-attacks-are-still-at-large/

http://youtu.be/0u1x3R-oYMY

Lars Schall: Hello, I am now connected with Professor Graeme MacQueen, founding Director
of the Center for Peace Studies at McMaster University in Canada. Hi Graeme!

Graeme MacQueen: Hello Lars!

Lars Schall: You have written a book that was published by Clarity Press in 2014, and the title
is “The 2001 Anthrax Deception: The Case for a Domestic Conspiracy.” The first question
would be, why do you think the topic of the anthrax letter attacks, that were taking place
during October 2001, is still relevant today?

Graeme MacQueen: I suppose there is a variety of ways of getting at this, but one thing would be to
say the “Global War on Terror” is still very much with us. We see more and more “terrorist attacks”
taking place all the time in the West, and we are being told we have to mobilize, we have to pass
laws that further restrict our civil liberties, we have to prepare and mobilize our armed forces against
this and that group, especially in the Middle East. So this whole “global conflict framework” called
the “Global War on Terror“ is still alive, is still vital, and therefore the founding acts of this “Global
War on Terror“ are still relevant. And the two most important founding acts of this phase of the war
were in 2001 in the Fall in the United States, namely the 9/11 attacks and the anthrax attacks that
came right after them.

Now, the anthrax attacks, in my opinion, are a crime that has not been solved. The FBI claims to
have solved it, but their case is ridiculously weak. And that means that somebody other attacked the
US Congress, the legislative branch of government, with a weapon of mass destruction, and they
are still at large, they are still out there somewhere. That’s a pretty big deal. Those are a few of the
reasons. The other reason I would say we still need to study this is because the anthrax attacks do
not stand by themselves – they are connected to the 9/11 attacks. I argue in my book that those two
sets of attacks are really different parts of one single operation. And therefore we have to bear in
mind that if we can solve the anthrax attacks, we might be able to solve the 9/11 attacks.

Lars Schall: In what way were the anthrax attacks connected to 9/11?

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Graeme MacQueen: First, Lars, a lot of people, in fact, most people in the US, assumed initially that
they were connected. That is a good place to start, because sometimes nowadays people think you
are saying something terribly new and controversial when you’re saying that they were connected,
but it was assumed that they were connected. After all, these horrific 9/11 attacks happened, and
then, as we subsequently discovered, people started sending out anthrax in letters about a week
later. Well, it would seem natural that this is a kind of a one-two punch, in other words, two phases of
a single attack, and that the people who did 9/11 are now following up with phase two.

That was assumed, and there was good reason to assume that. I mean, when people finally opened
a couple of these anthrax letters and read them, whoever wrote them was basically saying, we are
the same guys who just attacked you on 9/11. The date 9/11 is given right at the top of the letters,
and then they go on to say stuff like, “Death to America,” “Death to Israel,” “Allah is great,” all those
various threats. We know, because of a poll that was taken, that over half of the US population
thought that al Qaeda was the likely perpetrator of these attacks in October of 2001, and so did the
Department of Homeland Security and the White House. I think it is important to remember that.
What I’m trying to do is not to come out with an outlandish new theory that these attacks were
connected – I’m trying to re-connect what we initially assumed was connected. The FBI is trying very
hard to not let us connect it.

Lars Schall: I assume the media played a role in this, in connecting the anthrax attacks and
9/11, and so people can just go back and read the articles, right?

Graeme MacQueen: That is correct, there are many articles, and again the reasons seemed good.
The anthrax letters seemed to come from the same regions where the 19 hijackers, so called, were
known to have stayed. The same cities, namely New York and Washington were attacked in the
anthrax attacks as have been attacked previously in the 9/11 attacks, And then there’s really a whole
lot of evidence that I would call circumstantial, but to me convincing – that is, when you got enough
circumstantial evidence it can become convincing, and most of this centers around the 19 hijackers
– the guys with Arab names who supposedly hijacked planes on 9/11. When I began studying the
anthrax attacks it never occurred to me, because I didn’t know anything about the anthrax attacks,
that these 19 hijackers would show up in connection with the anthrax letter attacks, but in fact they
do. For example, you have a couple of [hijacker] guys in Florida, Marwan al-Shehhi and Saeed al-
Ghamdi, who have a real-estate agent named Gloria Irish, who turns out to be directly related to the
anthrax attacks. Her husband works at the first place that is attacked by anthrax in Florida. You kind
of go, how could that be that there is a linking person here directly between anthrax and 9/11? So
you look more deeply, and you find a whole series of events, technology, and what I would
call scenarios that connect the two. This is scenario-based politics essentially; somebody has gone
around and they have dreamt up what we might call dramatic episodes or scenarios.
Lars Schall: Well, there was one scenario, I think, that has to do with the question whether
there were concerns about anthrax before the anthrax attacks took place. I am referring here
to “Dark Winter”. Can you talk about this, please?

Graeme MacQueen: Dark Winter was a military exercise or simulation, such as the military conducts
all the time – what would we do if such and such happens? Let’s simulate it, let’s create an exercise.
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Andrews Air Force Base [planned / conducted by Johns Hopkins Center for Civilian Biodefense
Strategies / Center for Strategic and International Studies], and it was supposed to simulate a
bioweapon attack on the United States. Now, in the June exercise called Dark Winter it was
smallpox not anthrax, but there were a number of quite striking similarities, actually I list 10 in my
book, between this exercise and the actual events. I’ll just mention a few of them here.

First of all, the Dark Winter” attacks involved anonymous letters being send to the media – which is
interesting because that of course is exactly what happened when the anthrax attacks began.
Secondly, Osama bin Laden is mentioned almost immediately as a suspect. How interesting is this?
This is well before 9/11, and of course he is mentioned immediately after 9/11 as a possible suspect
when the anthrax attacks begin. Thirdly, in the Dark Winter exercise it turns out that a group based
in Afghanistan – clearly they are referring to al Qaeda – is the group that is said to have delivered
this bioweapon, and they are said to have acquired it from Iraq. This exact same double perpetrator
shows up [as a suspect] in the anthrax attacks. Very, very strenuously during October 2001, US
authorities are trying to get us to believe that al Qaeda delivered these letters, but that they got the
anthrax spores from their state-supplier, namely Iraq. So I thought it was fascinating that the same
two perpetrators showed up in June.

Another similarity would be the restriction of civil rights. In the Dark Winter exercise it’s said, well, we
might have to impose a whole bunch of measures restricting the rights of US citizens – rights to free
assembly, travel restrictions, suspension of due process in arrest and trial, the possibility of using
military trials instead of civilian trials. And of course a lot of these things actually happened, and this
is what was, again, strenuously pushed in October – both the Patriot Act was passed and the NSA
began the mass spying on civilians. And then finally, some of the people who took part in the
simulation are people who played an important role a few months later – less than three months
later, in fact, when the actual anthrax attacks began. And I gave examples of several of those people
in my book. You can’t help but wonder whether Dark Winter was to some extant a practice for what
they then proceeded to do.

Lars Schall: I would like to ask you about one participant which was Judith Miller of the New
York Times. Can you talk about her case, please?

Graeme MacQueen: Judith Miller played a role in Dark Winter – she played a reporter, which is of
course exactly what she was. She was a well-known New York Times reporter, and over the next
couple of years, leading up to the invasion of Iraq, she played an important role – in fact, she started
it several years before 2001 and continued it right up to the invasion of Iraq, namely framing Iraq for
all kind of crimes. She had co-authored with two other people a book called “Germs”, which came
out – beautiful timing – in October of 2001, the same time the Patriot Act was being pushed through
Congress – a book which talks about the danger of bioweapon attacks and Iraq. She is constantly
framing Iraq. She played a very important role in mobilizing the US population against Iraq.

She and her colleagues also talk in that book about the fact that Iraq might not directly attack the US
with a bioweapon, but they could use a surrogate, they could use in other words another group, an
intermediary to carry it out. Well, guess what, that’s the narrative that begins to be pushed in
October, and Judith Miller plays a role in that – namely that al Qaeda has done this, but they got it

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from Iraq, so ultimately we have to attack Afghanistan, because that is where al Qaeda is based,
and we have to attack Iraq. Miller is really in the thick of things. And to top it all off, in October she
gets her own letter in her New York Times office with powder and a warning. It turns out it’s not real
anthrax, it’s fake anthrax, but for reasons I won’t go into here – it’s fairly technical –, I don’t think this
is a casual letter send by somebody who did not like her reporting, I think this letter was directly part
of the anthrax attacks, it was part of the operation. And of course when she got that letter, it gave her
a chance to say, oh dear, I have been targeted, and it helped make her book a bestseller, and so
frankly she is a very suspect character. She bears some responsibility for the invasion of Iraq, and
there she is already in June of 2001 practicing some of the stuff in “Dark Winter”.

Lars Schall: Another participant was Jerome Hauer. Who is this fellow and why is he of
interest?

Graeme MacQueen: He is kind of a complex character, Jerome Hauer. He had some training in
bioweapons attacks / bioweapons warfare in Johns Hopkins University, with which he remain
connected. He also has a direct connection to the 9/11 attacks, because he was the guy who was
the head of Giuliani’s Emergency Office in World Trade Center building 7, which was supposed to
handle all kinds of emergencies for New York, including terror attacks. He was the head of that for
several years; not on 9/11 itself, as I recall he had resigned or had been replaced a little bit before
that. But he played a crucial role in the whole operation, and some say that he played a role in
helping to make sure that it was situated in World Trade Center building 7. Well, of course we know
what happened to that; it was abandoned immediately on 9/11 – and the whole building came down,
World Trade Center 7, without being hit by a plane. On 9/11, Hauer is on TV, saying, well, you know,
I’ve heard some reports that World Trade Center 7 is unstable – and well, sure enough it comes
down a little bit later. This is already extremely fishy apart from the anthrax attacks. No [tall] building
had ever come down in history from fire [in this manner]; yet here is Hauer predicting it hours before.
He played a similar role in the anthrax attacks, framing Muslims and relentlessly pushing the “Global
War on Terror,” helping to establish that new framework. So to find Jerome Hauer showing up in the
“Dark Winter” exercise in June was another enlightening experience for me. Another fishy guy who
played a role in both parts of the operation in the Fall of 2001.

Lars Schall: Was Jerome Hauer also part of TRIPOD II, this war game exercise that was
scheduled for September 12 in New York and was already prepared on 9/11?

Grame MacQueen: That’s true, it was. Barbra Honegger has talked about this. I haven’t studied
TRIPOD II, so I can’t say. I suspect he was part of it, but I’m not absolutely sure.

Lars Schall: OK. Let us now talk about the anthrax attacks. How did they contribute to get the
Patriot Act passed?

Graeme MacQueen: I guess the simplest way to answer that is to say that Congress was frightened
on 9/11. They fled from the US Capitol and scattered all over the place, because it was said that a
plane was coming toward them. And they were kept in a state of fear and intimidation from that point
on – actually from September 11 until pretty nearly the end of October. So first they were said to
have been targeted by the terrorists who did 9/11. And then the word came out through the mass
media and through US intelligence, especially the FBI, that now we have to be worried about a

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second strike – the people who did 9/11 are probably going to do another thing, and they might
target Congress.

So Congress is surrounded by yellow police tape and members of Congress are being told they
shouldn’t wear their little badges and pins in public that identify them as members of Congress. They
shouldn’t have license plates that identify them as members of Congress. In other words, they have
to be scared that they are going to be targeted. And this threat becomes then more and more
specific. And remember, I am talking about the phase now before we know that anthrax is being
sent. In other words, we didn’t discover that anthrax was in play until the first diagnosis on October
3, 2001. But between 9/11 and October 3, there was already all this advanced warning about attacks
with biological weapons or chemical weapons, and that they might especially choose to attack
Congress. So Congress was kept in this constant state of fear, and it was all pretty blatant, there
was nothing subtle about this. John Ashcroft, who was the head of the Department of Justice, was
repeatedly telling Congress, you need to pass this new legislation – which eventually became called
the Patriot Act –, which restricts civil rights of Americans, gives intelligence agencies more power to
spy, you’ve got to pass it and you’ve got to pass it right away, don’t spend too much time reading it
or thinking about it, just get it through there, because if you don’t it will be your fault if we are
attacked.

They kept it up, and then it became very specific, because Congress wasn’t moving quite as quickly
as the executive branch wanted them to. So then Dick Cheney, the vice president, announced that
October 4 was his new deadline. He wanted this new legislation passed both by the House of
Representatives and the Senate by October 4. Well, on October 2, two Democratic senators rebelled
against this and said that this is moving too quickly. Their names were Tom Daschle and Patrick
Leahy. And within a few days after that, both of them had been send anthrax letters.

This is what happened, and this is what continued to happen through October. For example, on
October 11 the FBI gave a big warning about an imminent attack. And so that very day [the Senate]
passed the legislation. And then finally the whole thing was signed into law on October 26 by George
Bush, and he gave a little speech in which he gave the anthrax attacks as one of the things they
were worried about. So, the connection between anthrax and the passing of the Patriot Act is very,
very close.

Lars Schall: Do we actually know who has written the Patriot Act?

Graeme MacQueen: Well, I can’t give the names of people who wrote it, no – but a lot of the Patriot
Act had been around for years. There had been an attempt to pass many of those measures right
after the Oklahoma bombings a few years earlier. Basically, Congress had resisted. That legislation
was weakened or gutted or rejected to the point where the intelligence agencies didn’t get the
powers they wanted. And this time – that is after 9/11 – they appeared to have been determined to
get it through. So they re-named it, re-packaged it, strengthened it and really rammed it through as
quickly as they could. Because the research we have suggests that when people are scared and
traumatized by an event like 9/11 or anthrax, they will for a while give up certain civil rights and they
will give their approval for wars of aggression and so on, but the effect is often quite temporary. I
believe that was part of the reason for the anthrax attacks; if you’re going to keep up that state of

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tension and fear after 9/11, you’ve got to have another attack and you’ve got to make people feel
scared and vulnerable. It is quite possible that if the anthrax attacks hadn’t happened to immediately
follow up the 9/11 attacks, the Patriot Act would not have gone through again, because the
Democrats were in a position in the Senate to reject that legislation.

Lars Schall: But you mention in your book that the two senators were for the Patriot Act
basically, but they wanted to slowdown the process?

Graeme MacQueen: Yes, when I first began to study this for my book, I had heard people say before
that Leahy and Daschle had been targeted because they opposed the Patriot Act. I looked into it and
I thought, they didn’t oppose the Patriot Act. I’m not going to blame these guys–they couldn’t
imagine, I’m sure, that this attack could have come from their own government. But regardless
whether they are to be blamed or not, the fact is that they approved of the act itself. They said, yes
9/11 was a terrible thing, yes we need this legislation, yes we will work with you, we will work with
the government, we will work with the Department of Justice, we will help you get this passed
through Congress. But they were not prepared to completely rubberstamp it – they wanted to
change parts of it, they wanted to revise, they wanted to slow down. What I think happened was that
key people in the executive branch – who were responsible for the anthrax attacks – were feeling, if
this is slowed down it might not get through at all. Because quite rapidly opposition to this Patriot Act
stuff began, both in in the Senate and in the House of Representatives, and in the population at
large, all kinds of groups, from the left to the right politically, were beginning to organize and resist
this. I think there was a sense that we have to move very quickly to get this through or we may never
get it through. And that’s why these guys were targeted, I think.

Lars Schall: Why did the Bush-Cheney administration wanted the Patriot Act?

Graeme MacQueen: It gave more power to the executive branch, and that includes major
intelligence agencies. It gave more power to the FBI, it gave more power to the CIA, it gave more
power to the NSA, it gave more power to the president and vice president. Basically, the US
Constitution is trying to achieve a balance among the three branches of government, but what you
see in 2001 is often referred to as a coup – one way to look at it is the executive branch essentially
threatening to kill the legislative branch – first on 9/11 and then in the anthrax attacks –, and
frightening it and bullying it into giving up some of its own power, which already had been weakened
by then, and increasing its own power. So another way to look at it is of course is just to say that the
military intelligence industrial complex, this vast array of well-funded sources in the US, took this
opportunity to increase its strength.

Lars Schall: The official story was that it was a failure related to the intelligence agencies,
and so they have to expand, they have to get bigger – and this is one of the similarities
related to the JFK assassination, because that was one of the recommendations back then,
too, right?

Graeme MacQueen: Yes, there are many similarities actually to this phase of the Global War on
Terror and to the numerous assassinations that happened in the United States in the 1960’s. I think
that the 9/11 Commission Report and associated documents are even weaker and even less

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convincing than the Warren Report was in the 1960’s. I’m not sure how we get people to see this,
but that is our task, yes.

Lars Schall: What evidence was ever presented to make the case against al Qaeda and/or Iraq
with regards to the anthrax attacks in the United States?

Graeme MacQueen: It was a combination of weak circumstantial evidence, fraud, and outright lies in
some cases. We were led to believe that al Qaeda had tried to get hold of anthrax, either to make its
own or to get it from someone else – but there was never any good evidence of that. We were told
that Iraq had stockpiles of anthrax. Well, that is true that Iraq had anthrax at one point, but it had
destroyed it after the 1991 war, and it even destroyed the equipment needed to remake it a few
years after that. So that was major fraud, in which US intelligence was deeply involved. We were told
at one point, and ABC News was the source of this – in late October 2001 ABC News told us that
bentonite had been discovered by scientists in the anthrax. Bentonite is a particular kind of clay that
Iraq had supposedly used to help to prepare anthrax spores as a weapon. And because it was a
distinctively Iraqi method of weaponization, ABC said, the presence of bentonite in the anthrax is
kind of Saddam Hussein’s signature, so to speak. That was a big deal. Again, it was a complete lie –
there was no bentonite in the anthrax. ABC had eventually to back off. But when they first presented
that story, they were very adamant that they got this from multiple independent high-level sources.
So of course we would like to know who those sources were, because as Glenn Greenwald said
years ago, if we knew who ABC’s sources were, we would probably know who carried out the
anthrax attacks. (1)

This is the kind of fraud that was used to implicate Iraq and that was used to implicate al Qaeda. And
of course those silly letters themselves – “Death to America / Death to Israel” –, you know, that was
like a Hollywood-like caricature of an Islamic extremist. We don’t have any shred of evidence that
any Muslim of any kind wrote those letters. Those letters were part of the fraudulent operation.

Lars Schall: The source of the anthrax for the attacks was an American military bio lab. What
is the name and how did anybody found out about this?

Graeme MacQueen: What the FBI claims to be true is not in my opinion true, but at least I have the
pleasure of agreeing with the FBI on a couple of things. First of all, yes, I think the FBI and I both
agree that it came from a highly secure laboratory in the United States that served the military and
intelligence communities, absolutely. And before we go any further, let me just say a couple of things
about the evidence for that. Mainly it had to do first with the strain of anthrax, the particular type of
anthrax used, it’s called the Ames strain. It was first collected in the United States in 1981, the Ames
strain. And most of the labs that have it in the world were American. There were a few outside the
US, but the FBI investigated all that and decided, no, that this had come from inside the US. Then
there was the method of preparation of the spores, because in its natural state anthrax isn’t all that
dangerous–it is lethal [to individuals], but it is not lethal in a sense that you would use it as a weapon
of mass destruction. You have to cultivate it in a particular way, to refine it and have the spores at a
certain size and have them float through the air – so you want to turn the spore preparation into a
kind of aerosol, so that it floats around like smoke. This isn’t easy to do. There are various ways of
doing it, and this had the signature of the US method again. For various reasons it became clear,

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quite quickly, actually, by the end of 2001 it was clear that this came from somewhere within the US
bioweapons program.

Now the only question then is, which lab did it come from? There are three main suspects. One is
the United States Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), which is a
US Army research institute at Fort Detrick, Maryland – and that is where the FBI says it came from.
Another one is the Battelle Memorial Institute, which is a private institute that does a lot of work for
the CIA, so that is in effect intelligence. And the third is Dugway Proving Ground, which is US
military. The main thing I disagree with the FBI about it is, I don’t think this came directly from Fort
Detrick, Maryland – I think it came from either Battelle or Dugway. But we perhaps don’t need to go
into that argument here, because regardless of which place you choose, this was, if you like, an
inside job – it came from the very heart of the US bioweapons program. And whoever took it or
prepared it or whatever they did before they put it into letters, was committing not only attempted
murder, but major fraud – they were carrying out a false flag operation, they were pretending to be
Muslims. It is not that difficult to track it down to the US program. And this was done pretty rapidly.

Lars Schall: What has to be said about the suspects that were presented by the FBI to the
public, Steven Hatfill and Bruce Ivins?

Graeme MacQueen: The first thing we need to say here is that once the official story fell apart, which
it was starting to by the end of October – I mean, shortly after the Patriot Act was signed into law, the
official story about al Qaeda and Iraq as perpetrators began to crumble. There was no evidence, all
the evidence was fake, it was fraud, it was starting to crumble. So the FBI had a real job on its hand.
You have to remember, the FBI was given jurisdiction. It was the agency that had the power to
investigate this, just as it was the same agency that had the authority and the power to investigate
9/11. We have to concentrate on the FBI here. So what did they do? Well, they claim to have
considered all options, but if you actually look at their own record of what they did, they pretty quickly
start looking for a lone-wolf perpetrator. We hear a lot about lone-wolf perpetrators these days. In
other words, a single individual who was responsible for this. And because it became clear that this
had come from within the US military intelligence community, obviously choosing a lone person, and
especially a lone nut, somebody you can claim as unbalanced or eccentric in some way, serves the
purpose of covering the tracks of the real perpetrators. You can limit the damage. You can say, well,
you know, it’s just a bad apple, it’s an unusual individual, we found him, we got him, end of story. Of
course, if it became clear that it wasn’t a lone individual, that it was a well-funded group or network
that was doing this, it would be an entirely different situation – and of course, that’s what I argue it
was in my book; it wasn’t a lone individual.

Anyway, they chose two scientists, one after the other. First it was Steven Hatfill, but he fought back
and he successfully sued them for 5 million dollars, because they didn’t have good evidence that he
had done it. And when that fell apart, the FBI went hunting again. In 2008 they then decided to go
after Bruce Ivins, who was a well-respected anthrax researcher at Fort Detrick, Maryland. He had
been working to develop an anthrax vaccine. Ivins had been known, it is not like he was a mystery
man, he had cooperated with the FBI and their investigation, he wanted to help, he wanted to do his
best, but they eventually decided to go after him. And shortly before they were going to try to have
him charged by a grand jury in 2008, he died. That of course was of great benefit to the FBI. They

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could immediately say, oh how wonderful, he killed himself, which just shows his guilt. He had a
sense of guilt, so he took his own life, and end of story. It took them a couple of years, but in 2010
they officially closed the case. You can find their record of that, their case against Bruce Ivins, on the
internet – the so called “Amerithrax Investigation”. In my opinion it’s never been anything more than
a laughably weak case against Ivins. I think he is completely framed, I think he is an innocent man,
and I think if he had lived and this had gone to court, the FBI would have been disgraced. Ivins had a
pretty good lawyer, Paul Kemp, and I think he could have made mincemeat out of them in court. But
of course he didn’t live, he died. And when you have an alleged perpetrator who dies, then the
intelligence agencies are very happy, because they can say what they want. This also happened
with another case, Lee Harvey Oswald. If he had lived, who knows what would have happened; but
he died. Therefore, the Warren Commission could write whatever nonsense they wanted. They
wouldn’t be cross examined, they wouldn’t be subjected to hard questioning, they could cherry-pick
whatever evidence they wanted, and exactly the same thing happened with Bruce Ivins – whether he
killed himself or was helped along by someone else, I don’t know, but either way it was of great
benefit to the FBI.

Lars Schall: You’ve mentioned anthrax vaccines. Were there not some people who were
given drugs against the effects of anthrax before the anthrax attacks occurred?

Graeme MacQueen: Yes, but it wasn’t a vaccine you’re talking about now, it was an antibiotic, Cipro.
Cipro is a strong antibiotic and it was the main one recommended against anthrax, against the
disease called anthrax, at the time. This is one of the many kinds of fishy events in the history of the
anthrax attacks. You and I wouldn’t be surprised to find that people started running to their
drugstores and buying Cipro after October 3, when it was first announced somebody had pulmonary
anthrax. But the interesting thing is that the run on Cipro, that is to say a great many people running
out to buy it, started before October 3, about two weeks before.

In other words, just so that our listeners understand, somebody put anthrax letters in the mail about
a week after 9/11, but nobody was supposed to have known about that or discover that until October
3. And yet, in-between 9/11 and October 3, not only are there many warnings in the press about
anthrax attacks, but there is a huge run on Cipro – people are running to the pharmacy and buying
this antibiotic and they are doing it quite specifically because of anthrax threats and worries and
fears.

And this is the kind of foreknowledge that is very suspect and makes us wonder what is going on.
And we become even more suspect when we realize that George Bush and Dick Cheney were put
on Cipro on 9/11 itself, the very day of 9/11, and were kept on it. And when we discover that
journalist Richard Cohen is on record as saying that he was given a tip by some high government
official shortly after 9/11 that he should start taking Cipro. And so he did. This he said was well
before most people knew anything about Cipro. We have to assume that it was sometime between
September 11 and September 23 he goes on Cipro, because he gets a tip from somebody in
government. What on earth can that mean, because anthrax is send through the mail at that time,
but nobody is supposed to know that, right, it hasn’t been discovered yet. This whole story of Cipro
illustrates that there was profound foreknowledge, that there was a wide group of people who knew
that these anthrax attacks would taking place.

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Lars Schall: Actually you argue in your book “that members of the executive branch of the
U.S. government had the anthrax attacks carried out in accordance with a plan.“ (2) How did
you reach that conclusion?

Graeme MacQueen: It seemed to me first of all that there’s no way a lone-wolf attacker could have
done all the things that were done in the anthrax attacks. You have to remember that stories were
planted all over the place. In the Washington Post, New York Times, many, many newspapers, The
Guardian in the UK, TV stations, before the anthrax attacks even were discovered, all these reports
about the fear of anthrax and the threat of anthrax based on fraudulent intelligence [were published].
It seems to me that this would have taken high-level people and it would have taken multiple people.
No pathetic lone-wolf perpetrator could have made the media carry all those stories.

Secondly, no pathetic lone-wolf perpetrator could have written all the speeches for members of the
executive, in which warnings were given – again, before the anthrax attacks were actually
discovered – that we may be about to be attacked with a biological weapon. Who wrote the speech
for Donald Rumsfeld, or for Andrew Card, or for Tommy Thompson, or for John Ashcroft? All these
guys were out there in public, talking about, oh my God, we may be on the verge of being hit with a
biological weapon attack. Again, this shows multiple perpetrators and it shows people in high
positions of power, because this was not based on good intelligence – as I show in my book, this
was based on fraudulent intelligence. Al Qaeda didn’t have anthrax, Iraq didn’t have anthrax. Some
people come along and say, oh well, it was partially good intelligence, because after all the attacks
took place. I say no, that won’t work, because when the anthrax attacks took place, they were done
by completely different people than these other guys had been predicting, and therefore for
completely different purposes.

So what do we see? We see multiple people, we see high-level people, we see that this was
coordinated with other initiatives taking place, including the Patriot Act, the NSA spying, the
discarding of the anti-ballistic missile treaty with the former Soviet Union – all this things were taking
place. This was coordinated. All these things were tied together. And again, all the evidence that the
19 hijackers, who were involved in 9/11, who were also being involved in all these strange little
scenarios that had to do with anthrax. They were supposedly running around trying to get hold of
crop duster planes so they could disperse biological weapons over the US – the same guys who
supposedly did 9/11. There is no Bruce Ivins or Steven Hatfill or anybody who could have done all
this – created false scenarios, planted false stories, written false speeches, coordinate this with
major treaties the US was rejecting. It all points to powerful people in positions where they could
accomplish this. I realize of course that people would say, oh well, in other words, you think it was a
conspiracy, you’re a conspiracy theorist – and that’s precisely true, it was a conspiracy, that is
exactly what I am saying in this book.

Lars Schall: I wanted to ask you about this specifically: How would you respond if our
listeners / readers dismiss your research as just another whacky conspiracy theory?

Graeme MacQueen: The term “conspiracy theory” is what I refer to a “thought stopper.” It doesn’t
provoke us to think, it doesn’t stimulate thought, it doesn’t open up a discussion, it doesn’t
encourage us to have a debate. What it tries to do is to stop the discussion. It’s an anti-intellectual

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move. It basically says, here is a person who is either immoral or stupid or insane – they’re
“conspiracy theorists”, we’re not going to engage in dialogue with them. We are just going to paint
them with a brush, they’re tainted, they’re spoiled, they’re taboo, somehow they are outside of the
circle of respectable society, and therefore we don’t have listen to them, we don’t have to look at
their evidence, we don’t have to read their books, we can just push them outside the circle. That is
what the term “conspiracy theorist” does and that what I think it was mainly designed to do. It came
into popularity after the JFK assassination, and it has been very useful for governments and
intelligence agencies ever since then.

The sad thing is that even people that I personally respect a great deal, especially people on the left,
often buy into this whole way of thinking. Where is Mr. Chomsky on 9/11, where is wonderful Chris
Hedges, and Glenn Greenwald, and Amy Goodman, all these people who are so important in North
America right now and whom I do not demonize by the way, I respect them all, I think they’re doing
good work, but where are they on 9/11, where are they on the anthrax attacks? Well, they’re
missing. They seem to have accepted the idea that those of us who question the official story on this
are somehow radically wrong, we’re somehow tainted, we’re outside the boundaries of thinkable
thought, and that’s too bad.

What I did in my book, I thought I could run away from this term, or I could run directly toward it, I
could embrace it, and that’s what I decided to do, and that’s why the subtitle of the book is
deliberately “The Case for a Domestic Conspiracy”. I define conspiracy in my introduction. It’s simply
a plan made in secret by two or more people to commit an immoral or illegal act. Now, conspiracies
in that sense happen all the time. That’s why laws are designed to deal with them. There is nothing
weird about the fact that I’m claiming there was a conspiracy. What it comes down to is evidence. Do
I have the evidence to support my argument? And if a person wants to know, they’ll have to read the
book because the devil is in the details.

Lars Schall: If our listeners are interested in what you were referring, I think there was a
memo in 1967 related to the case of Jim Garrison in New Orleans, where the CIA said, we
should use the term “Conspiracy Theory” instead of “Assassination Theory”. Anyway, you
conclude your book with the chapter “The Unthinkable.“ What do you mean with that?

Graeme MacQueen: This is how a part of the investigation proceeded. I noticed when I read the
newspapers of the time – that is the newspapers that were dealing with the anthrax attacks back in
the Fall of 2001 –, that the term “The Unthinkable” kept coming up again and again. People would
say, is it really true that the unthinkable is happening in the United States? Or they would say, it
seems like a bioweapon attack is finally happening, we must now think the unthinkable. If you bump
into one or two references like that, it’s no big deal, but I kept coming up with it again and again. And
it wasn’t just journalists, because of course journalists borrow from other journalists. If it was just
journalists, you could say, well, the guy in the New York Times likes the way the Washington Post
did that, so he kind of borrowed it. But it wasn’t that simple. There were also scientists and
government leaders, everybody seemed to be joining into the chorus. So I thought I would look a
little more deeply into it.

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I was aware that the term “The Unthinkable” has been a kind of a code word for decades among
those who are concerned with nuclear weapons. It was used for a long time, it referred to nuclear
warfare – The Unthinkable. This use of the term was probably pioneered, as far as I know, by
Herman Kahn, who was an American strategic thinker, a guy who used game theory and so on to
figure out how the US could best play this game most fruitfully with the Soviet Union.

Lars Schall: Isn’t he the original role-model for “Dr. Strangelove”?

Graeme MacQueen: He could quite possibly be! (laughs.) There are a number of people who have
been claimed, including Henry Kissinger. But Kahn was certainly in some ways a rather horrific
figure. Anyway, he wrote a book, “Thinking about the Unthinkable”. And from that point on all kinds
of people used the term to refer to nuclear warfare. So I thought, well, that this was interesting – they
are now using it to refer to a bioweapons attack. Is there any deep meaning here, is this important?
To this day I’m not really sure what the answer is to that, this is a relatively speculative chapter, but I
did find a number of things that interested me.
First of all, in 2001 George Bush rejected the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty – by that I mean he gave
Russia warning that the US was going to unilaterally withdrawal from that extremely important treaty.
In the speech he gave on May 1, 2001 –this is months before the anthrax attacks — he said the
Cold War is over. So forget about the US and the Soviet Union fighting each other, the Soviet Union
was a terrible evil thing, of course, but it’s gone, we don’t have to worry about that anymore, so
nuclear weapons aren’t really a major threat for the US anymore, the major threat is terrorism and
rogue states possessing weapons of mass destruction. In this context, what he’s really doing is
announcing publicly that we’re going to change the global conflict framework – the framework that
will divide all of humanity, essentially. It was the Cold War for decades, and now it’s going to be a
new one. He didn’t actually call it “the Global War on Terror,” but he was giving us warning that that
was going to be. This is a few months before the attacks of the fall – 9/11 hasn’t happened, anthrax
hasn’t happened -, but these are the new dangers, he said, and when he described the new
dangers, he said that we need to “rethink the unthinkable” – which I thought was an interesting
phrase. The unthinkable had been nuclear war before, and now we have to rethink it – so now the
unthinkable is terrorism and rogue states with weapons of mass destruction.

Then 9/11 happens, which is supposedly terrorism, and the anthrax attacks happen, which were
initially said to be an attack with a weapon of mass destruction by a rogue state, namely Iraq – how
interesting. And then we have all these journalists and leaders and everybody talking, oh, the
unthinkable is here, the unthinkable has happened! To top it all off, we then have a letter which was
sent in September to NBC. It was part of this general thing we call the anthrax attacks, although the
powder in it was fake. For reasons I give in my book , I believe it was part of the anthrax attacks.
And this letter starts off with the words: “THE UNTHINKABEL”. (3) It was printed in big capital letters
and spelled wrong to look like an illiterate radical Muslim extremist had written it. So here we have
the anthrax attacks, a letter is being sent to the mass media, saying, the unthinkable has arrived
basically, and we have George Bush warning several months earlier, we have to “rethink the
unthinkable”, and we have all these journalists and government leaders talking about the
unthinkable.

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It occurred to me that just maybe, just possibly, this expression “the unthinkable” may be part of the
discourse or the rhetoric of this new global conflict framework, that we are being given a message
here. We are being told that which could not be thought, that which is so evil that our poor little
ordinary democratic western minds can’t grasp it, used to be nuclear war. But now there is this
switch, now the ultimate evil are these dangerous Muslim guys, who are our enemies in “the global
War on Terror”. They don’t have nuclear weapons, but they are going to use the best they have,
which is biological and chemical weapons – and so now this is the unthinkable. This our poor little
humane kind of rational western minds can’t quite come to grips with this, this is beyond us, so we
call it the unthinkable. So we have to throw ourselves into the arms of our governments leaders to
protect us from this horrible evil. I think that’s what’s going on. As I said before, there is certain
amount of speculation in my interpretation here, but I give the evidence and people can make of it
what they will.

Lars Schall: There is another thing you took a look at. A few weeks ago, the Senate released
the report on the CIA torture program. You are aware that the core of the 9/11 is based on
tortured testimony. Can you talk about this please, because this is very, very crucial.

Graeme MacQueen: I actually mentioned this, Lars, and maybe this is what you are referring to – I
was part of a press conference at the Parliament buildings in Ottawa, in my country’s capital, not too
long ago, when we had managed to get a petition presented to our Parliament to conduct an
independent review of the 9/11 attacks. And the day that I ended up giving that talk in the press
conference in the House of Parliament, the Senate report on torture was in the news, and everybody
was talking about it and it was being discussed in the Canadian Parliament, and so on. So I decided,
even though I had only three minutes for my little speech, I would mention the torture connection –
because, as you say, it is extremely important.

The first thing to be said here is that there is nothing outside the mainstream, there is nothing
particular radical or controversial about the statement that torture was crucial to that 9/11
Commission Report. In fact, I believe it was NBC of all things who commissioned a study that
discovered that over one quarter, over one fourth of the footnotes in the 9/11 Commission Report
were based on these interrogations. (4) And of course we know that many of those interrogations
involve the use of torture, such as suffocating people with water. And if you look at the footnotes of
the Commission Report, well, I was certainly stunned years ago when I first read it by all the
references to KSM, KSM, KSM – Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was supposedly suffocated about
a 183 times.

The 9/11 Commission not only used information gathered under torture, it made it central to the
report. Chapters 5 (“Al Qaeda Aims At The American Homeland”) and 7 (“The Attack Looms”) of the
report couldn’t be written – at least in their current form – without these interrogations.

So it has to do with Osama bin Laden and his group, deciding to carry out these attacks, and the
nature of the attacks, how al Qaeda came to the US, and where they went, what their names were –
all kinds of things that are central to the official story were supposedly gathered through these harsh
interrogations. And the 9/11 Commission collaborated with this. They actually submitted a new
bunch of questions to the CIA – so that, as far as we know, these guys were interrogated harshly

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again specifically to answer questions for the 9/11 Commission. Now, the 9/11 Commissioners of
course asked if they could directly to these poor guys who were being tortured. They didn’t call it
torture, they said, can we talk to the people who are being interrogated? No, you can’t, you can’t see
them, you can’t talk to them. Well, can we at least interview their interrogators? No, you can’t, none
of your business, stay away, you interrupt the delicate process of interrogation.

So here we have a 9/11 Commission that has reason to believe people have been tortured to give
this testimony, but doesn’t have direct access to anybody of any significance in the process, and so
therefore decides to just trust the alleged transcripts that they get. It’s the weakest, most flimsy, not
to mention immoral and illegal kind of evidence you can imagine. Imagine trying to introduce that to
any decent court room. So this is what the 9/11 Commission Report, which is the closest thing to an
official US document, giving the main story about 9/11, is based on. And this is why we’re trying to
make the case to the Canadian Parliament that you can’t accept this. If you are saying you don’t
collaborate with torture, then you can’t accept this document, you got to have an independent
review. I don’t expect that we’ll be successful anytime soon, but that’s an argument we are making.

Lars Schall: Does every country of the West has to make this – to ask their governments to
come clean about it?

Graeme MacQueen: I absolutely think they should. I think this is really important, because journalists
and government leaders to the extent that they are asked about this they usually try to distant
themselves immediately from these horrible interrogation techniques – oh, we don’t do that, oh, we
were not collaborating, blah blah blah. It needs to be pointed out publicly, people need to be writing
this in Op-Eds in newspapers and in official letters circulating in the internet – every government has
to be asked, well, then why do you accept the official story of 9/11, because it is based on torture
testimony? Everybody needs to be confronted with that.

Lars Schall: Thank you very much for your efforts and your book!

Graeme MacQueen: Thank you, Lars!

SOURCES:

(1) Compare Glenn Greenwald: “The unresolved story of ABC News’ false Saddam-anthrax reports”,
published on April 9, 2007 at Salon under:http://www.salon.com/2007/04/09/abc_anthrax/, and: “Vital
unresolved anthrax questions and ABC News” published on August 1, 2008 at Salon
under:http://www.salon.com/2008/08/01/anthrax_2/.
(2) Graeme MacQueen: “The 2001 Anthrax Deception: The Case for a Domestic Conspiracy”, Clarity
Press, 2014, page 106.

(3) Ibid, pages 187 – 188.

(4) MacQueen referst to Robert Windrem and Victor Limjoco: “9/11 Commission Controversy”,
published at MSNBC on January 30, 2008. The article has been taken offline at MSNBC, but here it
is still available:http://

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To increase transparency at the World Bank, as required by the Lugar-Leahy Amendment to the World
Bank’s 2006 appropriations legislation, P.L. 109-102, it is necessary to request GAO to end the cover up
on the Philippines Banking Sector Reform Loan, inform Whitney Debevoise that the proposed
whistleblower protection policy needs to provide for external arbitration, and require my reinstatement at
the World Bank.

Re: World Bank


From: Thomas Melito MelitoT@gao.gov
To: kahudes@aol.com
Date Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:44 pm

Ms. Hudes,

As we've previously discussed, I am unable to comment without a request from


Congress to do so.

Thomas Melito

-----Original Message-----
From: kahudes@aol.com
To: wdebevoise@worldbank.org
Cc: russell.munk@do.treas.gov
Sent: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 5:58 pm
Subject: World Bank Whistleblower Protections

Dear Whitney,

The Lugar-Leahy Amendment to the World Bank’s 2006 appropriations legislation, P.L. 109-102,
requires the World Bank to provide external arbitration to protect whistleblowers. In March 2007 you
stated during your confirmation hearings that you intended to work with fellow Executive Directors to
address the weaknesses that the Government Accountability Office identified in the World Bank’s
grievance system and adopt best practices for the protection of whistleblowers.

The proposed policy does not fulfill the requirements of the Lugar-Leahy Amendment and does
not merit your support. In April, 2007 the Audit and Personnel Committees rejected the previous proposal
because it did not include external arbitration. The revised proposal still provides no recourse to external
arbitration, merely leaving staff with the existing grievance system.

There are a number of shortcomings in the Appeals Committee and Administrative Tribunal that
make them unsuitable for whistleblower cases. Defects in the discovery process, difficulties with
establishing a pattern of retaliation, fears of retaliation by the members of the Appeals Committee
themselves, misuse of jurisdictional objections, and other problems have been specified in greater detail
by Professor Vaughan in his report.

I have experienced these shortcomings in actual practice, as provided in the attached


documentation. Staff lack confidence in the existing conflict resolution system. This is evidenced by the
sharp reduction in the caseloads of the Appeals Committee and Administrative Tribunal.

The proposal also provides that whistleblowers can be placed on administrative leave “in exigent
circumstances” without consent or due process protections. This is unacceptable, and will provide a
chilling effect and disincentive to staff worried about possible repercussions on their career for reporting
misconduct or wrongdoing.

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The proposal has been further weakened by removing staff's right to report misconduct directly to
multiple authorities within the World Bank, including the Board. This contradicts the Bank's COSO
framework, which gives an important role to the Audit Committee. Instead, staff “generally should” report
suspected misconduct either to their managers or to the Institutional Integrity Department (“INT”). The
World Bank staff lack confidence in INT's independence. The Staff Association Newsletter reported in a
May 2005 article entitled, Staff Want Grievances Handled with Due Process:

“INT has been controversial. Outside watchdog groups and staff have accused management of using
INT to perform punitive investigations on scanty evidence, or of doing the reverse-calling off a warranted
investigation. Victims have included staff who have revealed accounting or project facts embarrassing to
managers…”

INT has investigated and harassed me and other whistleblowers at the World Bank. Mr. Zutt has
not complied with my February 1, 2008 request for INT to correct its flawed report to the Audit Committee
on my case. For this reason, the Volcker Panel recommended that INT's mandate for investigating
retaliation should be terminated. I urge you to require INT to end the cover-up on the Philippines Banking
Sector Reform Loan with the Audit Committee

An internal control system within a bank cannot be robust when staff lack confidence that they will
be protected from retaliation for reporting misconduct. Before staff will be convinced that it is safe to
report allegations of misconduct, the proposed whistleblower policy needs to be strengthened. In order
for grievance system reform to be credible and INT's internal control lapses to be reversed, I need to
be reinstated at the World Bank.

Best, Karen

From: Karen Hudes


Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 4:41 PM
To: Bruce; bfg@hatpress.com; zelt@Princeton.EDU
Subject: Progress Report

I thought I'd give you all a progress report (here's a copy of my email to the President of the
National Press Club -- I found out they're having Robert Zoellick as a speaker next week). Stay
tuned--so far the press is scared to tackle the scandal, but one Dutch television program may be
interested:

Dear Jerry [Zremski],

I left some documentation for you at the Press Club about the breaking scandal at
the World Bank which we discussed after Sonja Hillgren's beautiful memorial at the
Press Club on September 15, 2007. Since then I have met with the Dutch Government,
and yesterday I met with Tim Rieser in Senator Leahy's office, the Senate Committee
on Foreign Affairs, and left word with Celes Hughes in Senator Mikulski's office and Ron
Carlton in Senator Kennedy's office. After my meetings with Chris Armstrong in Senate
Finance, Jayme Roth in Senator Bayh's office, and Nicole Willet in Senator Clinton's
office, the Senate is asking GAO to investigate the World Bank in this year's
appropriations legislation.

I am confident after three letters which the Senate wrote to the World Bank on my
behalf, that they will not allow the cover-up on the Philippines Banking Sector Reform
Loan to continue or accept Paul Volcker's whitewash of the Institutional Integrity
Department's sinister role in intimidating whistleblowers. This all plays out against the

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upcoming Annual Meetings of the World Bank on October 20, 2007, and Herman
Wijffels' disclosure that "third parties" attempted to intimidate him and other members of
the World Bank's Board through shocking invasions of their private lives.

I would like to discuss with you how to brief the members of the Press Club about
these developments. Please feel free to circulate this email, and the documentation
which I forwarded to you previously, as you see fit.

Best,
Karen Hudes

From: kahudes@aol.com
Sent: 04 February 2012 17:07
To: rcc@risk-communication.de
Cc: jwarnes@transparency.org
Subject: Fwd: The World Bank's General Capital Increase

Dear Bjorn,

I spoke to John Warnes on Thursday.

Best,
Karen
---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Karen Hudes
Date: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 6:07 AM
Subject: World Bank
To: jwarnes@transparency.org

Dear John,

It was good talking to you. Here is my testimony for the Committee on Budgetary
Control: an online file

The Sarbanes-Oxley litigation in the United States Court of Appeals for the District of
Columbia Circuit is Case No. 11-7109.

Here are the URLs for the articles in Foreign


Policy: http://bosco.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/01/23/a_world_bank_insider_on_a_ne
w_president#comment-941266
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/?tab=wm#sent/134f803fa8e7a798

Best, Karen
From: kahudes <kahudes@aol.com>
To: aaron.ellias <aaron.ellias@mail.house.gov>; tim_rieser <tim_rieser@appro.senate.gov>
Cc: john.hardy <john.hardy@usaexport.org>; alan_frumin <alan_frumin@sec.senate.gov>; fred.hochberg
<fred.hochberg@exim.gov>; lmenghetti <lmenghetti@ecattrade.com>; breinsch <breinsch@nftc.org>;
rob.mckenna <rob.mckenna@atg.wa.gov>; gonzalez <gonzalez@rechnungshof.gv.at>; melitot

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<melitot@gao.org>; spitlere <spitlere@sec.gov>; kart <kart@sec.gov>; oag <oag@oag.state.md.us>;
shagan <shagan@imf.org>; ig.hotline <ig.hotline@usaid.gov>; jcharlifue <jcharlifue@usaid.gov>;
lael.brainard <lael.brainard@do.treas.gov>; oighotline <oighotline@frb.gov>; ron_kirk
<ron_kirk@ustr.eop.gov>
Sent: Sat, Feb 4, 2012 11:01 am
Subject: The World Bank's General Capital Increase

Dear Messrs. Ellias and Rieser,

The Secretary of the Treasury is to submit to the Committees on Appropriations a report detailing the
extent to which the World Bank has continued to make progress. Sadly, the Secretary of the Treasury, as
Chair of the National Advisory Council on International Monetary and Financial Policies, has failed to
implement the policy goals required for disbursement of the World Bank's general capital increase. This
matter is currently before the International Organization of Supreme Audit Institutions, the European
Parliament Committee on Budgetary Control an online file , the US Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit,
Case No. 11-7109, http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/12/prweb9010726.htm, and the American
public. http://foreignpolicy.com/2012/01/23/a-world-bank-insiders-thoughts-on-a-new-bank-
president/#comment-941266,
http://bosco.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2012/01/19/race_to_lead_the_world_bank_heats_up#comment-
938011 .
The U.S. Consolidated Appropriations Act, 2012, signed into law by President Obama on December
23, 2011, provides in Section 7082 of H.R. 2055 "prior to the U.S. Congress disbursing funds for the
general capital increases of the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development, the Secretary of
the Treasury must report that each institution is, among other things, making 'substantial progress'
toward implementing best practices for the protection of whistleblowers from retaliation, including best
practices for legal burdens of proof, access to independent adjudicative bodies, results that eliminate the
effects of retaliation, and statutes of limitation for reporting retaliation."

The International Bank for Reconstruction and Development is out of compliance on the capital
markets. The legitimacy of the World Bank and its effectiveness remain impaired as the governance
crisis continues unabated. Commitments agreed to by the World Bank in the Pittsburgh Leaders’
Statement issued at the Pittsburgh G20 Summit in September 2009 concerning sound finances, effective
management and governance, transparency and accountability, focus on core mission, and results are
implemented in the breach. As evidence of substantial progress, I shall report back to work on Monday.

Sincerely,
Karen Hudes
http://www.canadainternational.gc.ca/g20/summit-
sommet/g20/declaration_092509.aspx?view=d
We commit to pursue governance and operational effectiveness reform in conjunction with
voting reform to ensure that the World Bank is relevant, effective, and legitimate.

ANNEX: Core Values for Sustainable Economic Activity

1. The economic crisis demonstrates the importance of ushering in a new era of sustainable
global economic activity grounded in responsibility. The current crisis has once again
confirmed the fundamental recognition that our growth and prosperity are interconnected,
and that no region of the globe can wall itself off in a globalized world economy.

2. We, the Leaders of the countries gathered for the Pittsburgh Summit, recognize that
concerted action is needed to help our economies get back to stable ground and prosper

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tomorrow. We commit to taking responsible actions to ensure that every stakeholder –
consumers, workers, investors, entrepreneurs – can participate in a balanced, equitable,
and inclusive global economy.

3. We share the overarching goal to promote a broader prosperity for our people through
balanced growth within and across nations; through coherent economic, social, and
environmental strategies; and through robust financial systems and effective international
collaboration.

4. We recognize that there are different approaches to economic development and


prosperity, and that strategies to achieve these goals may vary according to countries’
circumstances.

5. We also agree that certain key principles are fundamental, and in this spirit we commit to
respect the following core values:

 We have a responsibility to ensure sound macroeconomic policies that serve long-term


economic objectives and help avoid unsustainable global imbalances.
 We have a responsibility to reject protectionism in all its forms, support open markets,
foster fair and transparent competition, and promote entrepreneurship and innovation
across countries.
 We have a responsibility to ensure, through appropriate rules and incentives, that
financial and other markets function based on propriety, integrity and transparency and
to encourage businesses to support the efficient allocation of resources for sustainable
economic performance.
 We have a responsibility to provide for financial markets that serve the needs of
households, businesses and productive investment by strengthening oversight,
transparency, and accountability.
 We have a responsibility to secure our future through sustainable consumption,
production and use of resources that conserve our environment and address the
challenge of climate change.
 We have a responsibility to invest in people by providing education, job training, decent
work conditions, health care and social safety net support, and to fight poverty,
discrimination, and all forms of social exclusion.
 We have a responsibility to recognize that all economies, rich and poor, are partners in
building a sustainable and balanced global economy in which the benefits of economic
growth are broadly and equitably shared. We also have a responsibility to achieve the
internationally agreed development goals.
 We have a responsibility to ensure an international economic and financial architecture
that reflects changes in the world economy and the new challenges of globalization.

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