M A L AYSIA
DEWAN RAKYAT
HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES
PARLIMEN KEEMPAT
Fourth Parliarnent
PENGGAL KEDUA
Second Session
KANDUNGA!'li'NYA
[R....... 2038)
RANG UNDANG-UNDANG:
Rimi Undang-undanir Pertembapn (Plndaan) IR....... 2031)
USUL:
l'--auJum Mesyoarat [Ruanpo 2980)
UCAPAN PENANGGUHAN:
Air Bab di Pekan Kepoq (RlllllJ&llll 2080)
DlaTAli: OL!ll
MALAYSIA
PENGGAL KEDUA
AHLI-AHLI DEWAN RAKYAT
Yang Berhormat Tuan Yang di-Pertua, TAN SRI DATUK HAn NIK AHMED KAMn., D.K.,
P.M.1'., S.P.M.K., S.J.M.K.
Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri dan ivienteri Pertahanan, DATUK HuS.SBN BIN ONN,
D.K. (Johor) (Sri G ading).
.. Menteri Hal Eliwal Dalam Negeri, TAN SRI HAn MUHAMMAD GHAZAL! BIN
SHAFIE, P.M.N., S.l.M.P., S.P.D.K. (Lipis).
.. Menteri Penerangan, DATUK AMAR HAJI ABDUL TAIB DIN MAHMUD, D.A.
P.G.D.K. (Samarahan).
Yang Berhormat Mentcri Kcbudayaan, Belia dan Sukan, DAnnt ABDUL SAMAD BIN IDllD,
J.M.N., PJ.K. (Kuala Pilah).
" Mcntcri Kcrajaan Tcmpatan clan Wilayah Pcrsekutuan, TuAN H.ul HAS&UI
ADU BIN HAJI AilsHAD, J.S.M. (Bagan Datok).
" Mcntcri Tak Berpotfolio, TAN SRI CHONG HON NYAN, P.S.M., J.M.N.
(Batu Bercndam).
" Timbalan Mcntcri Hal Ehwal Dalam Ncgeri, DATUK SHARIFP AiwAD,
D.t.M.P., J.M.N. (Jcrantut).
" Timbalan Mentcri Sains, Tcknoloji clan Alam Sekitar, DATUK HA1I
ABDULLAH BIN AHMAD, S.J.M.K., D.P.M.K. (Machang).
" Timbalan Mcntcri Pertahanan, TuAN MOKHTAR BIN HAJI HAslitM (fampin).
" Timbalan Mcnteri Kcsihatan, DATUK HAJI ABU BAKAR BIN UMAR, D.s.i>.11:.
(Kola Setar).
" Tunbalan Mentcri Kcbudayaan, Belia clan Sukan, Da NEO YEE PAN (Muar).
" Timbalan Mcntcri Pcrhubungan, TuAN MOHD. Au BIN M. SILUIP
(Kuantan).
" Timbalan Mcntcri Pcrtanian, TuAN EDMUND LANOOU ANAK SAGA, P.B.S.
(Saratok).
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Setiausaha Parlimcn Kcmcntcrian Kcrajaan Tcmpatan clan Wilayah
Pcnckutuan. Da LINO LIONO Stx: (Mata Kuching).
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(Pengkalan Chepa).
.. TAN SRI ABDUL AZIZ BIN YEOP, P.S.M. (Padang Rengas) •
.. TUAN ABDUL JALAL BIN HAn ABU BAKAR, A.M.N. (Batu Pahat ) •
" TUAN CHIENG TmNG KAI alias CHIENG SIE LUNG (Sarikei).
.. TAN SRI HAJI MOHAMED SAID BIN KERuAK, P.M.N., s.P.D.K. (Kota Belucl).
.. TuAN MOHAMED SoP!EE BIN SllE!KH Ilm.AHIM, J.M. N. (Kepala Batas),
.. TuAN HAJJ MOHD. TAUPECK BIN 0. K. K. HAJI AsNEH, B.S.L, B.11:., P.P.11.
(Hilir Padas).
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" DATUK ENGKU MUHSEIN BIN ABDUL KA!JIR, D.P.M.T., J.M.N., P.J.K.
(Ulu Trengganu).
" TUN DATU HAJJ MUSTAPHA BIN DATU HARUN, S.M.N., S.P.D.K., S.I.M.P.,
P.N.B.S., S.P.M.J., S.P.M.P., S.P.C.M., K.C.R.L. (Marudu).
DATUK SYED NAHAR BIN TUN SYED SHEH SHAHABUDDIN, D.P.M.K., K.M.N.,
(Jerlun-Langkawi).
" RAJA NASRON BIN RAJA ISHAK, K.M.N., P.J.K. (Kuala Selangor).
" TuAN NGAN SIONG HING (Kinta).
" TENGKU NOOR ASIAH BINTI TENGKU AHMAD, A.M.N., P.B. (Tumpat).
" TUAN OH KENG SENG (Petaling).
" TOH PuAN 00N ZARIAH BINTI ABU BAKAR, A.M.N., A.M.P., P.J.K.
(Kuala Kangsar).
" TUAN Oo GIN SUN, A.M.K. (Alor Setar).
" TuAN PANG Sm CHEE alias ALEX PANG, B.K., A.D.K. (Tawau).
" TUAN RACHA UMONG, P.B.S. (Limbang-Lawas).
" TuAN RASIAH RAJASINGAM (Jelutong).
TUAN S. SAMY VELLU, A.M.N. (Sungai Siput).
" TUAN SANUSI BIN JUNID (Jerai).
" DATUK SENU BIN ABDUL RAHMAN (Kuala Kedah).
" TUAN SHAARI BIN JUSOH, P.P.N. (Kangar).
" DATUK HAJI SHAFIE BIN ABDULLAH, P.G.D.K., A.M.N., B.C.K., P.B.S., J.P.
(Baling).
" TuAN SHAMSUDDIN BIN DIN, P.P.N. (Grik).
" TUAN SHAMSURI BIN Mo. SALEH, A.M.N., J.P. (Balik Pulau).
" TUAN SIBAT ANAK TAGONG alias SIBUT MIYUT ANAK TAGONG (Ulu Rajang).
" TUAN THOMAS SALANG SIDEN (Julau).
" TUAN HAJJ SUHAIMI BIN DATUK HAJJ KAMARUDDIN, A.M.N. (Sepang).
" WAN SULAIMAN BIN HAJJ IBRAHIM, S.M.K. (Pasir Puteb).
" TuAN SULAIMAN BIN HAJJ TAIB, A.M.P. (Parit Buntar).
" TuAN Su LIANG Yu (Bernas).
" PENGIRAN TAHIR BIN PENGIRAN PATERA, A.D.K. (Kimanis).
" DR TAN CHEE KHOON (Kepong).
" TUAN TAN CHENG BEE, A.M.N., J.P. (Bukit Mertajam).
" TUAN JAMES STEPHEN "DBOK, A.D.K. (Penampang).
" TUAN °DNG LING Krnw (Bintulu).
" TUAN WEE Ho SOON (Bandar Sibu).
" TuAN YANG SIEW SIANG, P.B.S. (Miri-Subis).
" DATUK STEPHEN YONG KUET TZE, P.N.B.s. (Padawan).
" TuAN HAJI YusoF RAwA alias HAJJ YusoF BIN HAJJ ABDULLAH, J.P.
(Ulu Muda).
" TENGKU ZAID AL-HAJ BIN TENGKU AHMAD, D.P.M.K., J.M.K., S.M.K.
(Pasir Mas).
DEWAN RAKYAT
PEOAWAI-PEGAWAI KANAN
Pemberita-pemherita:
N. Ramaswamy.
Louis Yeoh Sim Ngoh.
Abdul Rahman bin Haji Abu Samah.
Suh or bin Husin.
Amran bin Ahmad.
Mohd. Saleh bin Mohd. Yusof.
Margaret Chye Kim Lian.
Puan Ng Chong Kin.
Puan Kong Yooi Thong.
Juliah binti Awam.
Supiah binti Dewak.
lamail bin Hassan
BENTARA MESYUARAT
MALAYSIA
DEWAN RAKYAT
Berhubung dengan pengurangan perkhid· ambil terhadap Syarikat Sri J aya terhadap
matan bas di Petaling Jaya selepas pukul mereka yang menjalankan bas sekolah, tetapi
8.00 malam itu, saya difahamkan bahawa ia sebenarnya tiada berlesen?
adalah disebabkan oleh kerana haluan itu
tidak ekonomi. Sungguhpun demikian, Tuan (T"uobalan) Yang di-Patua: Jadi,
Syarikat tersebut masih mempunyai pcrkhid· ada berlaku?
matan alternatif bagi menampung kehendak
penumpang yang tidak begitu ramai sehingga
pukul 12.30 malam tetapi penumpang Dr Tan Chee Khoun: Ya!
penumpang ini dikehendaki berjalan sedikit
dan menunggu di tempat Jain. Tuan (Timbalan) Yang di-Pertua: Baik.
Berhubung dengan masaalah yang di
Datuk Haji Abdul Ghaoi Glloog: Tuan
hadapi oleh kanak-kanak sekolah yang Yang di-Pertua, kalau syarikat itu ada
disebutkan oleh Yang Berhormat, saya suka
memberi perkhidmatan bas kepada kanak·
memaklumkan bahawa Kementcrian saya
.kanak sekolah walaupun mereka tidak: men·
bersedia mengeluarkan permit-permit b¥
dapat lesen bas-bas sekolah, kita patut
sekolah kepada pemohon-pemohon sekiranya
bertcrima kasih kepada syarikat itu, kerana
keperluan itu benar-benar terdapat
bayaran yang diminta oleh syarikat-syarikat
ataupun empunya-empunya bas kcpada
Dr Tan Chee Khoun: Soalan tambahan, kanak-kanak sekolah adalah lebih murah
Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Tadi Menteri yang daripada bayaran biasa. J adi patut orang
berkenaan menyatakan sebenarnya soalan ramai berterima kasih kalau syarikat itu ada
saya salah oleh kerana Syarikat Sri Jaya mengadakan perkhidmatan itu.
tiada leseo untuk membawa kanak-kanak
atau menggunakan bas sekolah. Kalau
Tuao (Timbalan) Yang di-Pertu: Ahli
sekiranya saya salah, apa tindakan Ke
Yang Berhormat itu bertanya bukan soal
mentMiannya telah ambit terhadap Syarik:at
terima kasih tetapi fasal tidak berlesen boleh
Sri Jaya yang menggunakan bas sekolah
membawa bas sekolah.
yang liada lesen?
membawa bas sekolah. Jadi, Yang Berhormat Pertua, soalan saya ialah apakah tiodakao
soal mengenai bas sekolah. Kementerian Kerja Raya dan Kemudahan·
kemudahan Awam telah diambil terhadap
Dr Tan Cllee Khoon: Saya hendak ber Syarikat Sri Jaya kerana menamatkao per·
tanya kepada Menteri yang berkeoaan apa khidmatan teksi dan bas dengan tiada mem·
tindakan Kementeriannya akan atau telah beri notis?
1997 12 JULAI 1976 1998
Datuk Haji Abdul Ghani Giloog: Tuan Perlembagaan itu bukannya untuk wanita
Yang di-Pertua, soalan itu sudal1 pun saya sahaja tetapi juga untuk lelaki, kerana saya
jawab tadi. kata begitu, kalau saya masih ingat lagi
undang-undang saya misalkan jenayah rogol,
DISKRIMINASI BERASASKAN jadi gaya keadaan Undang-undang sekarang
JANTINA ini kcpa<la sayalah, wanita sahaja boleh jadi
mangsa. lelaki tidak boleh jadi mangsa.
.1. 'fo]1 Paan Oan Zarbh binti Abu Bakar
minta Menteri Undang-undang menyatakan
Tuan (Ti"1balan) Yang di-Pertua: ilelum
samada Kerajaan akan menimbangkan me
sampai masanya di sini.
minda Perlembagaan Malaysia supaya akan
discbutkan dengan terang bahawa "tidak ada
Tan Sri Abdul Aziz bin Yeop: Bolchkah
diskriminasi berasaskan jantina".
saya dapat penjelasan daripada Yang iler
Mcnteri Uadang-undang (fan Sri Datuk hormat 'Vlenteri? (Ketawa).
Haji Abrlul 1.;:adir bin Yusof): Tuan Yang
di-Pcrtua, mengikut Perlembagaan tidak Tuan (Th;ibzlm1) Yang di-Pertua: Jadi,
disebutkan di situ "diskriminasi bcrasaskan soalnya apa Yang ilcrhormat?
jantina". melainkan perbezaan, bukan
discrimination. Pcrkara ini telah banyak kali Tan Sri Abdul Aziz bin Yeop: Soalan
dib�nrkitkan dalam De''•'an ini d:in Kerajaan �aya ialah saya 1ninta jawapan daripada
telab meneliti dengan schalus-halusnya akan Y'ang Bcrhormat l\1enteri iaitu da1an1 i)er
akiba t yang akan timbul kelak sekiranya Icmbagaan dan Undang-undang perlindungan
dipinr.Ia perua�ukan itu kerana pada lazim ini sama dan juga sebagai dibuktikan dalam
nya boleh dikatakan tiada perbczaan lagi Undang-undang yang dibuat. Saya beri
dalam semua lapangan pekerjaan }ang ber contoh misalannya rogol, kalau saya ingat
asaskan jantina. Semua kehendak-kehendak Iagi undang-undang saya iaitu dalam jenayah
wanila pada Kerajaan saya fikir saya telah ini lanpa kebenaran pihak yang menjadi
dilaksanakan, melainkan yang tidak dapat mangsa itu adalah menjadi asas. Jadi. kalau
dilaksanakan ialah yang dilarang oleh hokum pihak lelaki yang menjadi mangsa kcadaan
Syarak iaitu menjadi Kadi, menjadi Imam fizikal yang akan bcrlaku itu boleh jadi di
atau tcntang pemberian harta yang sama PL' ir.;: 1.:.�:n ar.Ia pcrsetujuan dari pihak lelaki.
kepada waris anak lelaki dengan anak Dengan scbab itu. saya minta penjelasan
perempuan. !tu bukan diskriminasi, per daripada Yang Berhormat Menteri per
bezae>n yang Tuhan telah tunjukkan lind ungan ini memang sama --{seora n � Ahli
sen1cn1arig lelaki dan pcren1puan itu berbeza. Yang Berhormat: Kalau lelaki tidak ber
(Ketawa). Dan juga dalam kcrja-kcrja ada setuju tidak jadi.)
yang ditentukan khas kcpada perempuan,
lelaki pula bukan kena diskriminasi macam Tuan (Ti mbalan) Yang di-Pertua : !tu
menjadi bidan. takkan lelaki menjadi bidan. bukan soalan.
tcntu diiklankan kepada perempuan sahaja.
Dcmikian juga ada kcrja-kerja lain, misalnya. Ta:i Sri Abdul Aziz bin Yeop: Soalan
menjadi Jaga bagi lelaki sahaja. ilu bukan k�raC:;1 \-anz Berhcimat ri,,1cnteri ... . .
diskriminasi. Difikirkan menjadi Jaga di
tcngah malam itu orang lelaki lebih kuat Tuan (Timbalan) Yang di-Pertua: Soahn
daripada orang perempuan.Jadi. perkara ini atau penjclasan sahaja?
bukan diskriminasi, perbezaan dengan sebab
dijadikan oleh Tuhan.Kalau ada perbezaan Tan Sri Abdul Aziz bin Yeop:
tentang pekerjaan. gaji, pencen dan lain-lain ..... iaitu pcrlindungan yang dijaminkan
scmuanya telah Kerajaan Iaksanakan. ini mcmang dalam Undang-undang pun
Perkara ini telah diteliti banyak kali dan tidak perlindungan ini sama sahaja. tidak ada
dapatlah Kerajaan hendak menimbangkan dalam Undang-undang yang tertentu
atau mengubah peruntukan itu. diskriminasi ini ufavourab1e" kepada wanita.
Tan Sri Abdul Aziz bin Yeop: Tuan Yang Tan Sri Datuk Haji Abdul Kadir bin
di-Pertua. saya harap dapat penjelasan dari Yusof: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, dalam Penal
pada Yang Berhormat Menteri iaitu per Codo atau Undang-undang Kesiksaan,
Iindungan yang sama yang dijaminkan dalam lelaki adalah dihukum kerana merogol, tctapi
1999 12 JULAI 1976 2000
kelapa sawit Malaysia bagi memperlindungi sesebuah negeri yang melibatkan perkara
perusahaan kacang soyanya,, samada sekatan perkara yang saya sebutkan tadi bagaimana
sekatan tersebut itu telahpun dikuatkuasakan. yang saya katakan adalah tanggungjawab
Jika sudah, apakah Iangkah-langkah yang saya memberi bantuan dan pertolongan dan
akan diambil oleh beliau untuk memper berikhtiar membalikkan suasana kesetabilan
lindungi perusahaan minyak kelapa sawit pada negeri itu.
kita.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua mengetahui iaitu
Setiausaha Parlimen Kementerian Per sebelum dan selepas kegunaan helikopter dan
usahaan Utama (Tuan Lew Sip Hon): Tuan kapalterbang ini membawa Ahli-ahli Majlis
Yang di-Pertua, saya suka memberitahu Undangan Negeri Selangor yang digunakan
Dewan ini bahawa Setiausaha Pcrtanian kerana Ahli-ahli itu ialah dengan permintaan
Amerika Syarikat, Encik Earl Butz yang Ahli-ahli itu sendiri supaya Ahli-ahli itu
melawat Malaysia pada 23hb April. 1976 tidak dikacau, tidak diugut oleh pihak-pihak
dengan jelasnya menyatakan bahawa Ke yang tertentu kerana usu! yang akan dibawa
rajaan Amerika Syarikat tidak bcrniat kan ke dalam Majlis Undangan Negeri
hendak mengenakan sebarang pcmbatasan Selangor.
perdagangan terhadap ekspot minyak kelapa
sawit Malaysia ke Amerika Syarikat. Se Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya menegaskan
hingga hari ini tidak ada sebarang pem permintaan supaya Ahli-ahli itu dilarikan
batasan telah dikenakan. bagi sementara daripada Kuala Lumpur
sebelum usu! itu dibawa di Majlis Undangan
Negeri Selangor ialah dengan pennintaan
HELIKOPTER NURI BAWA Ahli-ahli itu sendiri dengan tujuan bagai
AHLI-AHLI MAJLIS UNDANGAN mana yang saya cakapkan tadi dan juga
NEGERI SELANGOR dengan tujuan daripada setengah dari
setengahnya berperasaan daripada mereka
6. Dr Tan Chee Khoon minta Perdana diugut. Oleh yang demikian, macammana
Menteri menyatakan samada beliau sedar yang saya terangkan sebagai Perdana
bahawa sebuah helikopter Nuri dari Menteri saya ada bertanggungjawab, mem
R.M.A.F. telah digunakan untuk membawa beri bantuan dan pertolongan kepada Ahli
Ahli-ahli Majlis Undangan Negeri Selangor ahli Majlis Undangan ini yang perlukan
datipada Kuala Lumpur ke Bukit Fraser bantuan dan pertolongan daripada Kerajaan
pada 23-3-76 dan pada 25-3-76 mereka di Persekutuan. Oleh yang demikian, dengan
bawa daripada Kuala Lumpur ke Bayan keadaan yang ada pada masa itu, Ahli-ahli
Lepas, Pulau Pinang dengan sebuah kapal Majlis Undangan Negeri Selangor ini hendak
terbang R.M.A.F. dan bahawa kegunaan lah dikeluarkan dan ditempatkan di tempat
helikopter dan kapalterbang itu adalah satu yang lain sehlngga perjumpaan Majlis
kesalahan dan siapa membiayai perbelanjaan Undangan Negeri Selangor itu supaya
lawatan ke llukit Fraser dan Hotel Rasa selamat. Dan dengan sebab-sebab ini. itulah
Sayang. saya katakan kepada hemat saya, kegunaan
helikopter dan kapalterbang dengan keadaan
Perdaoa Meoleri (Datuk Hmseio bin dan sebab-sebab yang saya terangkan itu
Onn): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, bagi menjawab pada hemat saya bukanlah satu kesalahan.
bahagian yang pertama dalam soalan itu,
saya sedar. Dan dalam hernat saya kegunaan Bagi menjawab bahagian yang kedua pada
helikopter dan kapalterbang dengan tujuan soalan itu siapa membiayai perbelanjaan
dan maksud yang saya akan terangkan tidak
lawatan ke Bukit Fraser dan Hotel Rasa
lah pada hemat saya satu kesalahan.
Sayang. Tuan Yang di-Pertua. saya ber
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya sebagai tanggungjawab di Dewan ini jika per
Perdana Menteri ada bertanggungjawab belanjaan itu datangnya daripada wang
kepada negeri-negeri khasnya Kerajaan Kerajaan-saya bertanggungjawab dan saya
Negeri supaya Kerajaan Negeri itu ialah
akan menjawabnya. Tetapi berkenaan dengan
dalam keadaan yang setabil yang dihormati
oleh rakyat jelata dan menjaga maruah,. perbelanjaan ini, perbelanjaan ini tidak
kemuliaan, nama sesebuah negeri dan juga datang daripada wang Kerajaan. Oleh yang
Kerajaan. Dan jika ada berlaku sesuatu di demikian, saya tidaklah berhajat hendak
2003 12 JULAI 1976 2004
menjawabnya sebab bukanlab tanggungjawab Kcadaan ancaman yang wujud pada mua
saya menjawab sesuatu kalau tidak ada ini tidak memerlukan scbilangan bcsar rakfat
kaitannya dengan wang Kerajaan. jelala memegang senjala. Sumbangan pen�
yang dikehendaki daripada rakyat ramu
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Soalan tambahan, semua kaum ialah komi tmen merclca kepada
Tuan Yang di-Pertua. Tadi Yang Amat kepentingan dan cita-cita Negara, kcpada
Berhormat Perdana Menteri mengatakan pengawasan terhadap kegiatan anasir
beliau telah memberi kebenaran untuk meng komunis di kalangan masyarakat. Demikian
gunakan helikopter Nuri clan kapalterbang juga untuk mendapatkan maldumat mcngenai
T.U.D.M. ke Bukit Fraser dan ke Pulau aktiviti musuh untuk disampaikan kepada
Pinang, oleh kerana Ahli . • .. • • pihak berkuasa, supaya keselamatan Negara
dapat dikawal dan dipelihara.
Tuan (Ilmbalan) Yaog di-Pertua: Tak
payah diulangkan lagi jawapan Yang Amat
Berhormat ilu. Soal sahaja apa tambahan KHIDMAT UDARA KHAS BRITISH
nya? (BRITISH SPECIAL AIR SERVICES)
( S AS )
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Soalan tambahan
saya, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, ialah jika sekira 8. Tuan Fam Seong Than (di bawah S.O.
nya di masa akan datang ada lain-lain Wakil 24 (2)) minta Perdana Menteri menyatakan
wakil Majlis Undangan Negeri atau Wakil samada ada sebarang Khidmat Udara Khas
Rakyat Dewan Rakyat juga mungkin kena British (British Special Air Services-SAS)
diugut dan mereka itu meminta pertolongan yang ahli-ahlinya menjalankan gerakan di
atau bantuan daripada Yang Amat Ber Malaysia menyamar sebagai perunding
honnat Perdana Menteri. bolehkah beliau perunding dan ahli-ahli perniagaan
memberi bantuan dan pertolongan seperti profesyenal tetapi sebaliknya terlibat di
yang diberikan kepada Ahli-ahli Majlis dalam kerja yang mengancam keselamatan.
Dewan Undangan Negeri itu.
Perdana Menteri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua,
Tuan (limbalan) Yang di-Pertua: Meng sepanjang yang diketahui, pada masa ini
ikut aturan dan Peraturan Mesyuarat tidak tidak ada anggota Khidmat Udara Khas
membenarkan soalan "kalau, jika" itu. Jadi, British (Sritish Special Air Services-SAS)
bila sampai di jembatan baharu menye menjalankan gerakan di Malaysia menyamar
berang. sebagai perunding-perunding dan ahli-ahli
perniagaan profesyenal tetapi scbaliknya ler·
UNDANG-UNDANG KERAHAN libat · di dalam kerja yang mengancam
TENAGA keselamatan. Begitu juga, tidak ada anggota
Khidmat Udara Khas British itu yang mcn
7. Tuan Abu Dakar bin Arshad minta jalankan gerakan di Malaysia ataupun
Perdana Menteri menyatakan samada beliau terlibat di dalam kerja-kerja yang meng
bercadang menguatkuasakan undang-undang ancam keselamatan Negara seperti yang
kerahan tenaga rakyat, memandangkan disebutkan itu.
keselamatan dalarn negeri semakin hari
semakin serius. J ika ya, bila, dan jika tidak,
mengapa. MINYAK MENTAH
Perdana Menleri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, 9. Tuan Hashim bin Ghazali minta Pcrdana
Kerajaan belum bercadang menguatkuasakan Menteri menyatakan samada benar minyak
undang-undang kerahan tena� pada ketika mentah yang didapati di dalam ncgara ini
ini, olch sebab kemampuan Pasukan Kesela tclah dijual ko negara lain; apakah nama
rnatan menghadapi kegiatan bersenjala peng negara-negara tersebut.
ganas komunis adalah memadai. Di samping
itu, Kerajaan telah jugs membentuk per Perdue Menleri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua,
tubuhan-pertubuhan awam, seperti RELA adalah benar bahawa minyak mcntah yan,
dan Rukun Tctangga, di mana orang ramai didapati dalam negara ini telab dijual ti:
ikut serta memberi sumbangan, dalam usaha negara lain. Negara-negara itu ialab Jcpun.
mengawal keselamatan Negara dan mencegah Amerika Syarikat, New ZnJancl, Singapun,
aktiviti pc-ngganas komunis. Thailand dan Fdipina.
2005 12 JULAI 1976 2006
LAWATAN PERDANA MENTERI (ii) Pihak Filem Negara tidak ada mem
KE ARAB SAUDI punyai alat-alat tersebut yang lengkap
untuk melaksanakan sarikata filem bagi
111. Tuaa Lukman Mn Abdul Kedir minta
filem-filem asing untuk pihak swasta.
Perdana Menteri menyatakan apakah
kejayaan-kejayaan yang dicapai dalam (iii) Tugas mengalih suara atau dubbing
lawatan beliau ke negara Arab Saudi baru semua filem-filem akan mcmakan ter
baru ini. Jalu banyak belanja dan masa bagi
budget dan bilangan kakitangan yang
diperuntukkan kepada Kementerian
Perdana Mcnteri: Tuan Yang di-Pertua,
Penerangan pada masa ini. Sekarang
soalan ini saya sudah jawab dahulu dan saya
TY Malaysia hanya boleh mcngalih
tidak ada apa-apa tambahan.
suarakan filem-filem tertentu seperti
filem-filem Arab, Pakistan dan filcm
filem bcrcorak rencana (documentary).
SUBTITLE, DUBBING DAN
TERJEMAHAN KEPADA (iv) Tidak ada stesycn-stesyen TY di mana
FILEM-FILEM mana pun yang menganjurkan latihan
'eperti yang dimaksudkan oleh Yang
11. Tuan Mohd. Idris bin Haji Ibr ahim Berhormat.
minta Menteri Penerangan 1nenyatakan:
(i) adakah Kementerian mempunyai kaki Tuan Mohd. lclris bin Haji Ibrahim:
tangan dan kelengicapan yang cukup Sc10lan tambahan. Tadi, Tuan Yang di
untuk mcnjalankan tugas-tugas scpcrti P-:-?tuJ. 1·�1ng Bcrhonnat !v?cntcri yang ber
!i1l nvediJ.kan sarikata. dubbing dan kcnaan tel ah n1cnerangkan iai tu perscdiaan
tcrjemahan kepada filem-filem - asing untuk menyediakan alat dubbing di Filem
yang ditayangkan melalui talivisyen; Negara ma;ih tidak mencukupi, apakah
(ii) samada Filem Negara mempunyai alat rancangan ataupun tindakan pihak Ke
alat yang lengkap dan perscdiaan yang n1entcrian n1engatasi perkara ini. Oleh kerana
cukup sckiranya pihak swasta me- pada hari ini masaalah-masaalah ini timbul
1n.:>hon rn emint a sarikata kerada di kalangan hendak mendubbing dan hendak
1ilc1n-filcm asing yang ditayangkan di mencari sarikata kepada filcm-filem yang
dalam ncgara kita; Uatang Uaripada luar negeri ke dalam negara
kita.
(iii) sarnada Kementerian mempunyai ran
cangan untuk mcngalih bahasa ke
oahasa Malaysia semua filem-filem Datuk Amar Haji Abdul Taib biu
)ang ditayangkan melalui TY :\laiHnud: Tuan '\' ang di-P;;:-rtua, soalan
:V1a!ay!>ia. Jika ada. bi!akah r:.ini.:angan mengimpot filcm asing dan mcngambil ke
ir.1 hendak dimulakan; dan untungan daripada pengedarannya adalab
soal pi:1ak 'l'h'3:;t:i dan s�siapa yang hcndak
(iv) adakah Kementerian ini mcnjalankan
menjalankan perniagaan demikian patutlah
u.saha n1enghantar pcgawai-pegawai ke membeli kckngkapan sendiri dan membuat
luar negcri untuk menjalankan latihan
usaha yang sesuai.
bagi membuat persediaan daripada
segi teknik dan perkara-perkara yang
bcrkaitan meogenai tugas-tugas men TEMPAT-TEMPAT BELAJAR
dubbing filem dan mcnyediakan sari
kata. Berapa ramaikah pegawai 12. Tuan Haji Mohd. Zain bin Abdullah
pcgawai yang berkenaan telah diberi minta Menteri Pelajaran menyarnkan:
latihan yang sewajar. (a) adakah Kerajaan dapat menjamin atau
mempastikan bahawa perkembangan
Menteri Peoernogan (Datuk Amar Haji pelajar-pelajar dan pertambahan
Abdul Taib bin Mahmud): Tuan Yang murid-murid dalam Rancangan Malay
di-Pertua, sia Ketiga ini tidak akan menjejaskan
tempat mereka belajar; dan
(i) Kakitangan untuk menyediakan sari
kata atau subtitle adalah cukup tetapi (b) adakah perancangan yang disediakan
untuk dubbing. kakitangan dan ke itu tidak akan menyebabkan pelajar
lengkapan tidak cukup. pelajar atau murid-murid terpaksa
12 JUI.AI 1976 2008
belajar bcrgilir-gilir tiga kali di se Namun demikian tidak semua penduduk
sebuah bangunan sekolah yang tertentu, penduduk dapat menikmati perkhiiimatan ini
iaitu waktu pagi, petang dan ma1am. kerana jalan-jalan mcmbawa kc rumah
penduduk-pcnduduk di kawasan ini tidak:
Thnbalan Mmteri PeJajaran (Tuan Chan bcgitu baik dan tidak: dapat dilalui oleh lori
Si8D& San): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, lori sampah.
(a) Kementerian Pelajaran boleh mem
pastikan tempat-tempat belanja men Mengenai soal jalan-jalan masuk pula
cukupi di bawab Rancangan Malaysia tanggungjawab untuk membina jalan-jalan
Ketiga. masuk yang baik, terletak di tangan pemaju
pemaju perumahan swasta yang membina
(b) Kementerian Pelajaran boleh mem projek perumahan di kawasan tersebuL Di
perakukan kepada Ahli Yang Ber sebabkan jalan-jalan masuk tcrsebut tidak:
hormat bahawa sekolah-sekolah tidak: dibina dengan baik dan tidak m =�� i taraf
ak:an dijalankan pada sebelah malam atau "standard" yang dikeb oleh
·
kerana itu adalah dirasakan bahawa Penerbangan Malaysia (MAS) tidak meng
beberapa rancangan untuk memper hubungi penumpang-penumpang jika berlaku
besarkan lagi rumah asap tersebut sebarang kelewatan penerbangan. Waiau
sebagaimana yang dicadangkan itu bagaimanapun oleh sebab-sebab yang tidak
akan menimbulkan masaalah-masaalah dapat dielakkan, umpamanya penumpang
yang lebih banyak. Dengan ini ran penumpang yang mcmbuat tempaban tidak
cangan tersebut tidak patut diluluskan. memberi sebarang nombor talipon untuk
(2) Bahan-baban pencemaran patutlah di dihubungi alau berlakunya kerosakan me
bersihkan sebelum dilepaskan daripada kanik terhadap pesawat penerbangan di
kilang tersebut agar mengurangkan waktu yang terakhir. maka para penumpang
bau-bau busuk yang didapati telah tidaklah dapat dihubungi.
membimbangkan penduduk-penduduk Di samping itu pihak MAS tidak dapat
tempalan. berhubung dengan penumpang jika scsuatu
(3) Longkang yang terbuka mestilah di penerbangan akan ditunda oleh sebab-sebab
tutup. mekanikal dikelahui hanya sejam dari jadual
(4) Tempat-tempat yang pecah disaluran penerbangan itu bertolak. kerana para
konkrit itu hendaklah diperbaikki. penumpang pada masa itu sudah pun dalam
perjalanan ke lapanganterbang. •
semua tuduhan itu adalah mustahil, hendak pelajar keturunan India yang diterima me
lah dipandang adakah ada asasnya. kerana masuki tahun akademik sekarang di
kita mesti fikir halus-halus iaitu apakala Univeri;iti Malaya; jika ya. nyatakan samada
disia!;at satu-satu perkara yang kurang cukup beliau sedar terdapat rasa ketidak puas hati
asas, maka akibatnya akan merosakan nama yang dilahirkan oleh masyarakat India
baik scseorang itu, melainkan cukup ada asas terhadap ha! ini dan samada beliau akan
yang kuat. baru dijalankan. mengarah supaya diadakan satu penyiasatan
penuh di dalam ha! ini.
Tuan Lim Kit Siang: Tuan Yang di·
Pertua. soalan tambahan. Adakah benar
Tuan Chan Siang Sun: Tuan Yang di
bahawa Biro Siasatan Negara benar-benar
Pertua. tidak benar hanya 2% pelajar
bebas daripada Jabatan Peguam Negara.
pelajar keturunan India yang diterima masuk
Bukankah betul sebelum satu-satu keputusan
tahun akadernik sekarang di Universiti
dibuat untuk dibawa dan dituduh seseorang.
Malaya. Sebenarnya bilangan pelajar-pelajar
khasnya seseorang pembesar ke mahkamah
baru keturunan India yang telah diterima
atas tuduhan-tuduhan corruption, keizinan
masuk ke Universiti Malaya sehingga 30hb
mesti diberi oleh Yang Berhormat Menteri
Jun. 1976 ialah 7.072% .
sendiri.
(b) langkah-langkah yang scdang d iambil TuWl Shamsuri bin Md. Saleh: Tuan Yang
supaya restoran-restoran dan kelab di-Pertua.. saya mcnarik balik soalan yang ke
kclab malam supaya mengambil 25.
pcnyanyi-p�nyanyi wargancgara kita. (Snalcuz l\'u. 25 ditarik ha/ik).
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untuk tahun 1974 dan 1975 kerana Mah· rakyat maka matlamat Kerajaan u ntuk
kamah Syariah ini barn sahaja 2 tabun di mengamalkan Rukun Tetangga ini di selur uh
tububkan di Wilayah Persekutuan : negara akan tercapai.
(a) 1974 Nikah 1 .2 1 2 Berkenaan dengan anggota Rukun
Cerai 208 Tetangga yang bekerja di dalam sektor
Rojo' 50 swasta dan mendapat gaji harian (daily rat ed
workers) pihak majikan adalah dikehendaki
Hingga bulan Nikah 1 ,393
mengakui dan mengiktirafkan tugas yang di
•••
_;:;cgawaiitu membuat lawatan ke masa yang sangat lama untuk dibayar dan
tcmpat-tempat memproses makanan menimbulkan kesusahan kepada mereka
itu dan setelah berpuas hati dengan yang berkena;m, dan jika ya., apakah tinda
cara-cara makanan itu diproses sesuai kan yang akan diambil untuk mengatasi
dengan kehendak-kehendak hukum kesulitan ini.
Islam.
Dengan ini kiranya didapati cara Perdana Menteri: Saya sedar masih ada
cara memproses makanan-makanan itu kes-kes di mana pencen telah lambat dibayar
adalah bertentangan dengan hukum kepada pesara-pesara. Tetapi sebagaimana
Islam, maka pihak Majlis Hal Ehwal yang telah saya katakan ketika menjawab
Ugama Islam akan bertindak menarik soalan roulut yang seakan-akan saroa dari
balik surat pengesahan itu. pada Ahli Yang Berhormat di Dewan ini
(b) Satu Undang-undang di bawahi Akta pada bulan April yang lalu, bahawa
Perihal Dagangan 1 972 telahpun dibuat berik.utan dengan penyusunan semula
dan diwartakan di dalam Warta Ke (reorganisation) yang telah dijalankan, pem·
rajaan Bil. P.U. (A) 237 dengan nama bayaran pencen pada amnya tidak meng
Perintah Perihal Dagangan (Peng ambil masa begitu lama jika tiap-tiap pihak
gunaan Perbahasaan "Halal") 1975, yang berkenaan patuh kepada peraturan
yang mengandungi takrif bagi per peraturan yang telah diadakan itu. Bagai
kataan "Halal", ditanggung Halal, manapun, Kerajaan sentiasa mengawasi
makanan Islam,, dan apa-apa perkataan pembayaran pencen dan berusaha untuk
yang sama dengan yang tersebut di atas. memperbaiki Iagi peraturan-peraturan itu
jik:a didapati sebarang kelemahan.
Dengan ini adalah menjadi satu
kesalahan kiranya makanan yang mem
punyai tanda, (label) tersebut didapati TANGGAGAJI BARU ANGGOTA
bertentangan dengan hukum Islam dari POLIS
segi bahan yang diproses, cara-cara
memproses, tempat memproses, tempat
·
32. Tuan Embong bin Yahya minta Perdana
yang disimpan makanan-makanan itu Menteri menyatakan :
sebelum dan setelah ianya diproseskan
dan Jain-lain perkara yang dianggap (a) mengapakah dibuat pemindahan
bertentangan dengan hukum Islam. tanggagaji Anggota Polis Pangkat
Rendah begitu rendah dan tidak
(c) Surat pengesahan akan dikeluarkan menasabah seperti yang disiarkan oleh
oleh Jabatan Ugama Islam kepada
akhbar-akhbar yang mana sangat
pengusaha-pengusaha Inakanan yang menghampakan anggota Polis tersebut;
berkenaan setelah dipohon oleh peng
dan
usaha-pengusaha itu dan disiasat serta
berpuas hati dengan cara-cara makanan (b) adakah Kerajaan bercadang mengkaji
itu disediakan. semula kedudukan perkara ini dengan
membuat perubahan yang lebih sesuai.
Surat-surat pengesahan ini diberi
berdasarkan kepada apa yang dilihat
oleh pegawai berkenaan pada masa Perdana Menteri:
penyiasatan itu dilakukan yang ber (a) Tanggagaji baru anggota-anggota Polis
tepatan dengan takrif halal yang diben
yang diumumkan baru-baru ini telah
oleh Perintah Perihal Dagangan se
pun diterima pada dasarnya oleh
bagaimana tersebu t di dalam jawapan
(b) di atas. Pasukan Polis. lanya sedang dilaksana
kan bagi pengambilan anggota-anggota
Polis yang baru.
PENCEN KEPADA PESARA-PESARA
(h) Tanggagaji baru ini belum dilaksana·
kan lagi bagi anggota-anggola Polis
31. Wan Zainab binti M. A. Dakar Ininta
Perdana Menteri menyatakan samada beliau yang sedang berada dalam perkhid
sedar bahawa bayaran pencen kepada kaki matan kerana Kerajaan sedang meng
tangan Kerajaan yang bersara mengambil k:ajidengan lebih mendalam lagi
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Menteri Perusahaan Utama; dibaca kali yang dan Sarawak dan juga pindaan-pindaan yang
pertama; al<an dibacakan kali yang kedua telah dikemukakan clan disyorkan oleh
pada Persidangan al<an datang. K e1ne n ter !a n-k� menterian, Jabatao-jabatan
Kerajaan sebigaimana yang saya katakan
tidak kurang daripada dua tahun dahulu.
RANG U N DA N G- U NDANG Maka tidak:lah boleh jika sekiranya Ahli-ahli
ada niat hendak berkata iaitu pindaan ini
RANG UNDANG-UNDANG telah dibuat dengan terburu-buru, dengan
PERLEMBAGAAN (PINDAAN) tidak memikirkan sedalam-dalamnya dan
mengkaji dengan sehalus-halusnya.
Bacaan Kall Yan11 Kedua dan Ketfaa
(Dengan izin) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, selalu
orang bertanya : should the Constitution be
(Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan
amended from time to time or should the
Mesyuarat) Constitution be amended at all? Now we
must remember that a Constitution is a
3.40 pig.
current document and. as such, it is bound to
Perdana Menteri (Datuk Hussein bin develop. Our society is not static and cannot
Ono): Tuan Yang di-Pertui. saya mohon long be governed by a document which is
mencadangkan iaitu suatu Akta bagi me unchanging.
minda Perlembagaan Persekutuan dibacakan
What I would like to draw the attention of
bagi kali yang kedua sekarang.
Honourable Members to is that our
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh kerana naskhah Constitution is a working document. Our
saheh Rang Undang-undang ini adalah Federation is a partnership of many States,
dalam bahasa lnggeris dan ada kandungan and the Constitution regulates the relations
kandungannya yang mengenai dengan istilah between the Federal Government and the
istilah serta perkataan-perkataan Undang component States. Every partner has insisted
undang, di samping saya berucap dalam on safeguards for its own interest. Thus our
Bahasa Kebangsaan, saya minta izin dalam Constitution contains details not found in
ucapan saya berucap dalam bahasa lnggeris. many other Constitutions.
most frequently, most profoundly and most F�1sal 1 2 (2) berkenaan di;:: ngan pelajaran,
dramatically through the actions or J udges in dan saya pergi kepada Bahagian I l l (Part
interpreting or applying the fundamental I l l) di dalam Undang-undang iaitu ber
document. Our Constitution, on the other kcnaan den�an Kcrakyatan. Di dalam Rang
hand, has undergone large and repeated lJnda ng-undang ini, Article 24 (2) dicadang
change, not through the interpretation of the kan dipinda iaitu berkenaan dengan depriva
Ccnirts or the Judl!es. but through le1::!i slative
� � �
tion or citizenship on acquisition or exercise
amendments. or foreign citizenship, dan begitu juga Article
25 pecahan I (a) dan (2) berkenaan dengan
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya tidak berniat deprivation juga. Ini berkaitan dengan
hendak mcnghuraikan dan menerangkan
ncgara-negara yang bukan di dalam
<lengan panjang lebarnya kandungan
Commonwealth dan yang akan disifatkan
kandungan di da!af!l Akta (Pin<laan) ini oleh
juga iaitu negara-negara dalam Common
kerana d i dalam Huraian kepada Rang
wealth sama juga disifatkan tidak ada per
Undang-undang itu telah dibentangkan dan
bezaannya dengan negara-negara yang
ditcrangkan satu-persatunya fasal-fasal yang bukan di dalam Commonwealth berkenaan
hendak dipinda dengan sebab-sebabnya.
Lieng.an ke1ucutan kerakyatan dan sebab
Kalau Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat menatapi ��bab yang tertentu.
Rang Undang-undang ini tcntu tcrdapat
13ahagian-bahagian yang hendak dipindakan. Di dalam Rang Undang-undang ini ada
juga menyentuh Bahagian IV dalam Per
Yang pertarnanya. saya sebut di sini meng
lembagaan kita iaitu bahagian yang mengenai
ikut susunan 13ahagian di dalam Per
Persekutuan kita (the Federation) dan Article
lembagaan kita iaitu Bahagian I ( Part ] ) yang
32 1 2) yang akan dicadang dioindakan ada
n1cnl:!enai ''The States, Religion and J_a"' of lah bersangkut-paut dengan Yang di-Pertuan
the Federation." Agong serta Raja Permaisuri Agong.
Dcngan itu pindaan-pindaan yang akan di
Article 33 ( I ) vang berkaitan dengan
kemukakan dan yang hendak dikemukakan
Timbalan Yang di-Pertuan Agong dan yang
ialah berkenaan dengan Fasal 1 (2) iaitu
lain itu Article J4 pecahan (2) dan pecahan
menyusun semula. nama-nama negeri yang di
(6) di dalam Perlembagaan berkenaan dengan
dalam Persekutuan ini. Dan Article 3 (3)
"disabilities" yang berkaitan dengan Duli
berkenaan dengan Ketua Ugama Islam yang
Yang Maha Mulia Seri Paduka Baginda
saya fikir mengenai Sabah dan Sarawak.
Yang di-Pertuan Agong dan juga Raja
Bahagian II (Part II) pula yang berkaitan
Permaisuri Agong.
dengan fundamental liberties.
Fasal �2 I 10) berkaitan dengan kuasa
Fasal 5 (5) ialah satu perkara yang
mengampunkan berkenaan dengan kesalahan
mustahak tetapi sebagaimana Ahli-ahli Yang
kesalahan dan berkenaan dengan ligama
Berhormat mengetahui pindaan kepada
Islam, kalau saya tidak salah faham.
Clause 4 di dalam Rang lindang-undang itu
akan dipinda pula dan notis pindaan itu Fasal 48 ( I ) yang berkaitan denaan
telah disampaikan kepada Ahli-ahli Yang d isqualification ror membership - of
Berhormat sekclian dan ini n1asuklah Parlian1ent.
pindaan kepada Clause 30 di dalam Rang
Undang-undang itu di mana notisnya telah Fasal 54 ( 1 ) dan (2) Vacancies to the
pun disampaikan kepada Ahli-ahli Yang Senate dan casual vacancies.
Berhormat. Saya akan kemukakan pindaan
kepada Clause 4 dan Clause 30 apabila kita Fasal 65 (2) Clerks of Senate and House
membincangkan Rang Undang-undang ini or Repre....cntativcs dan sebagainya.
dalam Jawatankuasa kelak.
Ini adalah Fasal-fasal yang terkandung di
Saya tidak bersetuju untuk hendak mene dalam Rang Undang-undang yang memang
rangkan kesemuanya Fasal-fasal yang hendak banyak dan saya tidak hendak menyebut
dipinda, tetapi saya suka juga menarik satu satu-persatunya. Tetapi saya ada satu dua
dc:a perkara yang soya fikir Ahli-ahli Yang perkara yang saya hendak menarik perhatian
Berhormat tentu mengetahui mustahaknya Ahli-ahli Yarrg Berhormat sekelian iaitu
iaitu pindaan kepada Fasal 5 yang berkaitan Article 1 06 (2). !ni amatlah mustahak jikalau
dengan liberty of the person. kita lihat dari segi tujuannya.
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(Dengan izin) Tuan Speaker, we have been thinking of the integration of Federal
very concerned over the lack of Departments in those States with those in
accountability of some Government- Peninsular Malaysia. Discussions and
sponsored agencies which bas resulted in a negotiation had been going on over a number
lack of proper control and supervision being of months, and all amendments which are
exercised over the expenditure of certain included in the Bill have been the result of
bodies. When the Government had a look at agreement achieved between the Central
the situation, it decided that something Government and the Governments of the
should be done as regards supervision and States of Sabab and Sarawak.
control over expenditure. At the moment the
Auditor-General has no power whatsoever to I may also add, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. that
audit the accounts of these statutory bodies some of the amendments which have been
and agencies and it is proposed that the suggested in the draft Bill require consultation
auditing of these should be done by the with and approval of the Conference of
Auditor-General as well. Rulers. All these have been done, and I am
very glad to inform this House that all the
As regards Article 1 1 1 (2)-this will be of proposals have been very carefully
interest to State Governments-this is the considered by the State Governments and
Article with regard to the restriction on through the State Governments by the
borrowing by State Governments. The Conference of Rulers in so far as they affect
intention of the amendment is to relax the the rights and jurisdiction of the Conference
restrictive provision which is at the moment of Rulers.
existent in the Constitution with regard to
borrowing by State Governments which can There is another suggestion for amendment
only : which is in Part XI, i.e. Special powers
(i) borrow from a bank approved by the against subversion, and emergency powers.
Federal Government; and This is with· regard to Article ISi (I) (b) with
regard to restriction on preventive detention.
(ii) borrow only for a period of not more
than twelve months. There are also other provisions which
That is the present provision in the Constitu affect the interpretation of the J!Cneral p:cvi
tion. Now, we feel that in view of the sion in Article 1 60 of the Constitution.
developments that are going on in the various
In addition to these, as a result of the
States and in view of the financial require
various amendments, certain Schedules will
ments of those States being increased from
have to be amended, i.e. the Eighth Schedule
time to time, it is thought advisable to
and the Ninth Schedule. As regards the
reconsider this restrictive provision and to
Ninth Schedule, there are four Lists there
relax it somewhat so as to enable the States
to borrow not only from the banks but also List I concerns the Federal List; List l l A is
to borrow from other financial resources as
a supplement to the State List for the Borneo
States, i.e. Sabah and Sarawak; and also List
approved by the Central Government. This,
III which is the Concurrent List.
as I have said, is of interest and importance
to the State Governments.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sebagaimana yang
There are other provisions which I will saya cakapkan tadi, saya tidak bertujuan
only touch on lightly. These provisions affect hendak menghuraikan dengan panjang lebar
Part IX of the Constitution, i.e., The Judiciary sebab-sebab dicadangkan pindaan-pindaan
with regard to the constitution of the High sebagaimana yang terkandung dalam Rang
Court, the number of Judges and how Judges Undang-undang ini. Saya akan mengikuti
are to be appointed or their numbers are to perbahasan-perbahasan yang akan dijalankan
be increased, and so on. These are all selepas saya mengemukakan cadangan ini.
provided in Articles 122 to 128. dan tentulah Ahli-ahli Yang Berhorrnat akan
membangkitkan beberapa perkara dan me
1be next Part is with regard to the Public minta penjelasan atau boleh jadi salab fabam
Services. In this respect Honourable Members tujuan dan maksud sesuatu cadangan
will be aware that over many months there pindaan yang diperbuat di dalam Rang
have been discussions with the States of Undang-undang ini dan bila saya meng
Sabab and Sarawak with a view to start gulungkan perbabasan ini kelak, saya akan
2037 1 2 JULAI 1 976 2038
cuba memberi penjelasan seberapa yang Tuan Um Kit Siang: Tuan Yang di
boleh alas perkara-perkara yang dibangkit Pertua, Dewan Rakyat sekarang adalah di
kan oleh Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat sekelian. minta untuk meluluskan sekumpulan pindaan
terhadap Perlembagaan Persekutuan, dan
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon men
kali ini adalah berjumlah 19 halaman
cadangkan.
sebagaimana yang tercatit dalam Rang
Undang-undang (Pindaan) Perlembagaan
Menteri Buruh dan Tenaga Rakyat (Datuk
yang terdiri daripada 48 Clauses.
Lee San Choon): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya
mohon menyokong. Barangkali Perlembagaan Persekutuan
Malaysia merupakan salah satu Per
Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Dewan ditempoh lembagaan yang terbanyak sekali diadakan
kan selama 15 minit. pindaan di dunia ini. Dari pengiraan secara
kasar. sejak kemerdekaan pada 1957. Per
Persidangan ditempohkan pada pukul 4.05
lerubagaan Persekutuan ini telahpun dipinda
petang.
lebih kurang 1.000 kali dan dalam Rang
llndang-undang ini ada lebih 60 tempat
Persidangan disambung semula pada pukul
pindaan.
4.35 petang.
P..:: r lemhagaan Persekutuan ini merupakan
(Tuan Yang di-Pertua mempengerusikan satu llndang-undang asas negara kita dan
Mesyuarat) tidak seharusnya dianggap sebagai undang
Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Ahli-ahli Yang undang yang biasa dan dipinda dengan
sesuka hati dan kehendak Kerajaan yang
Berhormat, suatu Rang Undang-undang
bernama Suatu Akta bagi meminda Per memerintah sungguhpun saya bersetuju
lembagaan Persekutuan telah dikemukakan bahawa Perlembagaan ini satu current and
untuk bacaan kali kedua telah disokong dan living document.
sekarang ini terbuka untuk dibahas. Apa yang dibangkang dan yang tidak
Menurut Jadual yang kita telah cadangkan. boleh dipersetujui ialah Rang Undang
kita hendak tamatkan perbahasan dan men undang (Pindaan) Perlembagaan 1976 ini
dapatkan keputusan di alas Rang llndang adalah diperuntukkan untuk meminda
undang ini pada hari esok. Jadi. saya minta Bahagian II dari Perlerubagaan yang ter
lah Ahli-ahli Yang Berhormat jika ada maktub fundamental liberties yang sekarang
cadangan hendak membuat apa-apa teguran dinikmati oleh semua rakyat Malaysia. Di
atau ucapan minta tolong pendekkan. Saya antara pindaan-pindaan yang baharu di
syorkan sebagai Ketua Pcmbangkang diberi bentangkan ada satu pindaan kepada Article
masa lcbih kurang setengah jam dan Ahli 5 (4) di mana sekarang ada diperuntukkan
ahli Yang Berhormat yang lain diberi lebih seorang yang ditahan dalam tempoh 24 jam
kurang 20 minit. mesti dibav."a ke hadapan magistrate tetapi
sekarang ada satu proviso dicadangkan :
4.36 pig. "Provided that this Clause shall not
apply to the arrest or detention of any
Tuan Lim Kit Siang (Kola Melaka): Tuan person under the existing law which makes
Yan!! di-Pertua, oleh kerana naskah saheh
no provision for the production of such
dalain bahasa lnggeris dan juga istilah-istilah
person before a magistrate. and all the
LT ndang-undang. saya minta izin . . . . .
provi�ions of this Clause shall be deemed
to have been an integral part of this
Tuan Yang di-Pertua: Yang Berhormat
Article as from Merdeka Day."
bolehlah campur-campurkan tetapi janganlah
membuat ucapan dalam bahasa lnggeris Tuan Yang di-Pertua, sebelum itu saya suka
sahaja sebab naskah saheh dalam bahasa cita bahawa oleh kerana desakan public
lnggeris bolehlah rujukkan kepada Rang opinion niat Kerajaan mula-mulanya untuk
llndang-undang ini dalam bahasa Inggeris meminda Article 5 (3) telah ditarik balik dan
dan jika sekiranya ada apa-apa perkataan tidak ada pindaan untuk mengenepikan hak
teknikal yang payah hendak disebut dalam hak seseorang tahanan untuk Counsel dan
Bahasa Kebangsaan boleh diizinkan Ahii "to be informed as soon as may be of the
ahli Yang Berhormat menyebut dalam grounds of his arrest". Tuan Yang di-Pertua,
bahasa Inggeris. Silakan. tetapi pindaan kepada Article 5 (4) ini ialah
2039 12 JULAI 1 976 2040
satu pindaan yang sangat serious yang akan Tuan Pengerusi, 20 tahun selepas Merdeta.
menafikan hak-hak asasi orang-orang yang these "vague apprehensions about the
berkenaan. Sebab itu kita mesti timbang future", to use the word of the Reid Commis·
sion, discounted by the Commission have
dengan mendalam atas perkara ini, Tuan
come to pass, and fundamental rights which
Yang di-Pertua.
the people had enjoyed, even in the worst
days cf the 1948-1961 Emergency, are being
(Dengan izin) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, with
removed despite the fact that it has been
the amendment of this particular provision,
guaranteed in the Constitution.
it will remove with one stroke of the pen an
essential safeguard and check against
Is this an admission that the security
arbitrary exercise of power by the Executive
situation faced by Malaysia is or is likely to
and in particular by the Police Force making
be even more challenging, bleak and grim
Malaysian citizens even more naked and
than during the first 1948-1 960 Emergency,
helpless in the face of Police abuse of arrest
as to justify such curtailment of fundamental
and detention powers which are becoming
rights, which were respected and honoured in
more and more frequent.
earlier emergencies?
The increasingly serious security situation
Go;..\�rnment leaders. in particular, the
can be no justification for this Constitutional
Honourable Deputy Prime Minister, have
Amendment which derogates from Malay used as one of the recurrent themes the things
sians their fundamental rights as enshrined in that Malaysians will Jose should the
the Federal Constitution. We should not communists come to power in Malaysia,
forget that the Federal Constitution was especially freedom and liberties of the
drawn up and promulgated at a time when
individual.
the country was faced with an existing
emergency in the form of a communist Now, these fundamental liberties of
insurgency.
Malaysians are themselves being tampered
with by the Government. What then are the
At that time, the Constitution defined and
guaranteed certain fundamental individual fundamental liberties Malaysians will lose if
rights because they were generally regarded the communists come to power in Malaysia,
as essential conditions for a free and especially as the Government keeps to its
democratic way of life and, even more past practice of whittling away by piecemeal
importan� these fundamental individual legislation of such enshrined liberties.
rights were the distinguishing marks which
the Government asked the people, the The Government and Parliament must
Malayans and subsequently the Malaysians, weigh seriously the question posed by the Bar
to rally round and defend and to protect and
Council when it stated its opposition to any
distinguish it from the system of government
modifications to Article 5, and I quote, Tuan
which the communist wanted to establish.
Yang di-Pertua :
In fact, the Constitutional Commission in "One basic difference distinguishes those
1957 stated, and I quote: who are Joyal to this country from those
"The rights which we recommend should who are bent on overthrowing it; and that
be defined and guaranteed are all firmly is, the former have respect for the law. But
established now throughout Malaya and it harsh and unjust laws cannot command
may seem unnecessary to give them special respect willingly; and a law which treats
protection in the Constitution. But we have persons who may have committed ordinary
found in certain quarters vague apprehen crimes in the same way as it does
sions about the future. We believe such communist terrorists cannot be a good
apprehensions to be unfounded, but there law. What distinguishes our system of
can be no objection to guaranteeing these government from that advocated by our
rights subject to limited exceptions in adversaries is the fundamental rights
conditions of emergency and we protected by the Constitution. Are these
recommend that this should be done." not what we are fighting for?"
2041 12 JULAI 1976 2042
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, the purpose of This amendment in fact will give a further
enshrining fundamental rights in the Consti spurt and stimulus to an irresponsible group
tution is to ensure that the govcrnn1ent of police officers who often take the law into
recognised by the Constitution is a govern· their own hands. Only on 24th May in Kuala
ment of laws and not a government of men. Lumpur at a bou t 10 a.m., a 19 years old odd
job labourer. Arumugam s/ o A Vengada
Even at present, notwithstanding the salam. l .C. 8254725 staying with his parents
provi�ions of Article 5 of the Constitution. al Jalan Cheras Municipal Quarters, was
there have been many cases of persons taken to J a Ian Chcras Police Station as a
arrested under the Restricted Residence susnccted drug addict. He \\.'as assaulted by
Enactment who have been detained fl1r a police officers in the police lock-up until h e
con-.i<lerable length of time without prvduc lost consciousness. He was brought t o High
tion before a Magistrate within the pres1..,ribcd Street Police Station in a state of unconscious
time. ness. His bodv v,1as sent over to the Kuala
Lun1pur Gene ral Hospital mortuary at about
There are also more and more cases of 3 p.n-L The )-OUth's n1other had gone to Jalan
abuses of police powers of arrest on trurnped Cheras Pl)lice Station to see her son at about
up charges, and of the detention of per�ons 1 2 noon, but was refused permission. A t
whn ros ·� "" threat \\'hato;:oever to the law abo1.a 8 p.r1l. the ra:·ents Vi."eri: infcrmcd by
and order or security of the country. WJthout a Rukun Tclangga unit that their son had
proper effective remedy. hanged him�clf in the High Street Police
Station lock-up.
The Honourable the Minsiter of Home
AIIairs who signs these orders of detention The deceased's brother, Pancselvam, was
or restriction would not know in the over later informed by the Police that Arumugam
whelming majority of cases the truth or hanged himself with his trousers, and claimed
untruths of the charges that had been tha C Arumugan1 was allowed to keep his
prepared a t the lower levels of the police trousers because he did not have his under
h ierarchy. rant:; c-n. Pa ne sclvam hoY.rrvcr noticed tX!t
Arun1ugam was wearing his purple under
Only recently, there was an insurance pants when he went to the mori:uary to
J£>� !"1 l in Malacca, a father of two. Vi.'hose \Vife recognise the body. The father has lodged a
is- a graduate teacher, who has a steady report at the High Street Police Station but
c.:cunation. V·:ho \vas detained under the no action was taken.
Publ L · Order and Prcvc:lticn of Crin1e
Ordinance. He was subsequently served with These brut:ilitics and ·'official n1urder_'" cf
an order of detention signed by the Minister f\1alaysians by s.on1e irresponsible police
of Home Affairs and sent to Pulau J erejak nfficers arc bccnn1ing too often and frequent
on the charge of "extortion". The police a n .:! the present amendment, Tuan Yang di
acknoviledged that this person has nP secret Pi.=rtua. in rc�nn\·ing another check on
s1.1.:iety connections. has no record of previous
convictions. and there are many pcnple i n Tuan Yang di-Pcrtua: I do not like that
f\,talacca who can vouch for this. lbis cxprc.'l.'iion ··official murders". I suggest you
irsuran,_·c agent, however, does 1nake a withdraw the expression "official murders".
nuisance of himself when he drinks in bars
and nightclubs and getting into arguments Tuan Liin Kit Siang: Ya. These brutalities
\\· ith p0licc officers. but surely t h i ;; is no and killing' of Malaysians by some irrespon
justification for framing him up and sending sible Police Oflicials are becoming too often
him lo Pulau J ercjak. and frequent. The present amendment to
remove another check on abuse of police
Hl1W n1any cases are there of such n1isuse powers of arrest and detention will not
of police powers of arrest and detention in reduce such incidents but only increase them.
the country'? This amendment will weaken
This is where the battle for the hearts and
and even remove the checks and controls on
minds of the people is lost. If this amendment
arbitrary abuse of power by police officers at
lower levels, which the Minister does not is adopted. then the Federal Constitution
know. and who is too busy with the pressing will become even more out of touch with the
security situation to know. people's life. aims and aspirations, and
2043 1 2 JULAI 1 976 2044
(2) the Government has consistently shown Let me quote from the Honourable
little respect and a lot of contempt for Attorney General when winding up his
the Rule of Law, disregarding speech on the 1971 Constitution (Amend
Constitutional safeguards and provi ment) Bill in the Senate on March 9, 1971.
sions operating as if in Malaysia there I quote in English :
is a government of men rather than a "Mr President, Sir, allow me to explain
governn1ent of la\\'S. Parliament should what I have said for the interest of all in
not be asked to legalise past Govern this House who might be involved later on.
ment illegalities and regularise past I hope such an incident will never occur in
irregularities unless and until Parlia this House. For instance, the law which
ment is informed of the catalogue of forbiJs the questioning of any of the
the illegalities and the irregularities provisions in Section Ill, i.e. citizenship.
that have been committed under each Although it may sound short and simple,
head, and an oppo:-tunity to v.'�igh the in actual fact there are three parts to it,
magnitude and enorn1ity lif such i.e . Part One. attainment of citizenship :
illegalities and irregularities. ln fact, Part Two, tern1ination of citizenship and
retrospective legislation is so obnoxious
Part Three, Extension. Section 111 contains
that there should be a special Parlia 1 7 items and all are protected. This means
mentary procedure requiring the all terms and conditions for obtaining
Government to make a full and frank citizenship and for terminating one's
disclosure of the illegal or irregular acts citizen�hip by the Government as enshrine<l
that the Government intends to validate in the Constitution cannot, in any case, be
by any such retrospective legislation. questioned although one might raise only
one of the tern1s and conditions. We must
Clause 7 of the Bill s"eks to amend Artide
fully understand this."
14 of the Constitution so as to rcnd�r liable
Clause 7 of this Bill questions Part III,
to deprivation of citizenship any ci t ize n who
Article 24 of the Constitution regarding
voluntarily claims and exercises in a country
ter1nination of citizenship, and in seeking to
outside the Federation, regardless whether i t
amend this entrenched protected Clause. have
is a Common\\'ealth or a non-Common the Honourable the Prime Minister and the
wealth country, any rights accorded Government committed an offence of sedition
exclusively to citizens of that country. The as expounded by the Honourable the
amendn1ent would remove any distinction i n Attorney-General? In fact, in printing this
the present Article between a Commonwealth very Bill to amend an entrenched Clause on
citizenship, have the Government and the
and a non-Common\vealth country.
Government Printer con1mitted an otfence of
sedition in questioning Part III of the
As citizenship is one of the four
Constitution?
entrenched. sensitive issues. and as the
questioning of any matter, right. status, · Will Members of Parliament. while in the
pos ition. rrivilege. sovereignity or preroga� course of debate whether giving thl:ir views
tive established or protected by the provi in support of the proposed amendment to the
sions of Part III 0f the Con stitution relating entrenched Part III of the Constituti<Hl. which
to citizenship. Article 152 relating to the would involve a questioning of Part 1 1 1 of the
National Language. Article 153 relating to Constitution relating to citizenship. be
the special position of the Malays and Article committing an offence of sedition? As
1 8 1 relating to the sovereignty of Rulers is Members of Parliament have lost their
prohibited by the Amendments to the Con parliamentary immunity in connection with
stitution in 1 97 1 , as a prelude and precondi the four entrenched subjects. Members of
tion to the reconvening of Parliament Parliament. including the Honourable the
following the N.O.C. rule. punishable as an Prime Minister. can be prosecuted for
questioning any one of them, whether in the
offence of sedition, have the Government and
form of expressing support for an amend
the Honourable the Prime Minister con1mitted
ment to one of the entrenche<l Constitutional
an offence of sedition in proposing an Clauses. or voting in support of it in the
amendment to Part III of the Constitution Dewan Rakyat. There is no difference, Tuan
relating to citiz.enship? Yang di-Pertua. between expressing support
2047 12 JULAI 1976
for the amendment of one of the entrenched This i s also why Article 65 of the Constitu.
clauses or voting in support for such an tion provided .the safeguards for an
amendment as both constitutes a questioning independent Clerk. Thus Article 65 provides
of one of the entrenched, sensitive clauses. that the Clerk shall be appointed by His
Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong and
If Part III of the Constitution on citizen shall hold office until he attains the age of 60
ship can be amended as it is presently years or such other age as Parliament may by
proposed, then it i s also possible for the law provide, unless he sooner resigns his
Government, or for any Member of Parlia office. The Clerk may be removed from
ment by way of Private Member's :Sill, to office on the like grounds and in the like
amend or propose amendment not only to manner as a judge of the Federal Court on
Part III of the Constitution, but also to a representation made by the Speaker of the
Article 1 52, Article 153 and Article 181 House. It is now proposed to bring in an
explain both inside and outSide the Dewan amendment which will enable the appoint·
Rakyat why such amendments are necessary. ment of a Clerk from amongst the members
If this view is wrong, is contested, then it can of the public service for short periods, or in
only mean tliat out of the four entrenched other words, on secondment, and to give
subjects, Part III i s less entrenched than the retrospective effect to this amendment to
other three entrenched clauses, so that Part Merdeka Day. This amendment will destroy
III of the Constitution on citizenship can be the whole principle of an autonomous
further amended with regard to the terms of Parliamentary Service which is answerable
acquisition and termination of citizenship only to Parliament and not to the Govern
while the other entrenched subjects are ment of the day. The Government had many
immune to any amendment. I hope the times violated Article 6 5 of the Constitution
Honourable the Prime Minister will make a i n appointing public service officers to the
clear statement on this when he winds up the post of Clerk of the House on secondment,
debate tomorrow. The question that must b e and now Parliament is asked to regularise all
answered i s how do you amend any one of these past irregularities. The Clerk should be
the entrenched clauses, without at the same appointed from the Parliamentary Service, or
time, questioning the present entrenched if he is appointed from the public service, he
provisions, and therefore contravening the should cut all ties with the public service and
law which prohibits any questioning of any be the sole servant of the House. No clerk
one of the entrenched issues. I am aware that who is the servant of two Masters, namely
there is provision for the amendment of the Parliament and the Government to whom he
entrenched clauses-two-thirds majority and is to return at the end of his secondment, can
with the consent of the Conference of properly discharge his responsibilities as
Rulers-but the question is how do you Parliament's principal executive.
amend without questioning these entrenched
issues and what is there to stop tomorrow or Clause 30 of the Bill seeking to amend
day after somebody from lodging a complaint Article 135 will create not only insecurity of
at the Police Station that an offence of tenure, but expose officers of the public
sedition has been committed? service to unscrupulous yictimisation and
..McCarthyite-type" of per�ecutions.
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, I am opposed to
Clause 17 of the Bill which seeks to amend Article 135 (2) of the Constitution provides
Article 65 of the Constitution governing the that "No Member of such a service as
appointment of the Clerks of Senate and aforesaid shall be dismissed or reduced in
Dewan Rakyat. It is one of the fundamental rank without being given a reasonable
pre-conditions of an independent Parliament, opportunity of being heard". The services
which is not to be a subservient creature of referred to are spelled out in Article 132 of
the government of the day but, on the the Constitution and the Government is now
contrary, its master, that there should be an proposing to amend this Clause to enable the
independent Clerk, whose appointment and dismissal or reduction in rank without giving
tenure of office are not dependent on the the public servant a reasonable opportunity
whims and fancies of the government of the of being heard, in four specified circum·
day and subject to Government pressure. stances. What is most important is the fourth
This is why the Parliamentary Service is a circumstances where a public servant will not
completely autonomous and closed service. be given an opportunity to be heard for
2(;.,9 12 JULAI 1976 2050
dismissal and reduction in rank where he has may allow. This is a provisions to allow the
had an order of detention, supervision, Advisory Board to take one or two years to
restricted residence, banishment or deporta· consider a representation by a detainee.
tion made against him under any law
relating to the security of the Federation, The Advisory ,Board is generally regarded
prevention of crime, preventive detention, as a show-piece without real meaningful
restricted residence, banishment, immigration, powers or influence. It has not been known to
or protection of women and girls of where effect the release of detainees who had been
there has been imposed on such a member wrongfully detained. Even in the rare cases
any form of restriction or supervision by where the Advisory Board recommended that
bond under any of the above-mentioned there were no good grounds for the detention
laws. of a person, as in the case of Datuk James
Wong of SNAP, the release was eventually
It is public knowledge, Tuan Yang di
made, not on the recommendations of the
Pertua, that many persons have been falsely
Advisory Board which were at that time
detained or placed under supervision or
rejected, but based on political considerations
restricted residence, and that the Police who
of getting the SNAP into the Barisan
caused such detention, supervision or
Nasional. If the Advisory Board is to serve
restricted residence do not have to give valid
any useful purpose, then a detainee must have
reasons as whatever reasons they give cannot
a right to know what recommendations it has
be challenged in a court of law. Tbs means
made to the Yang di-Pertuan Agong after
a public servant can be dismissed without consideration of his representation.
good and proper cause, by means of serving
upon him an order of detention, supervision
Article 151 in puporting to provide
or restricted residence. This makes not only
restrictions on preventive detention by the
a mockery of the Rule of Law but introduces
constitution of an Advisory Board, has failed
a most dangerous principle affecting questions
completely to provide a proper check and
of security and stability of tenure in the
control on the abuses of powers of detention
public service.
without trial. I would call on the Government
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Clause 40 of the Bill to abolish all laws which permit detention
amends Article 151 of the Constitution, without trial, so as to put an end to the gross
Article 151 (2) provides that "where any law abuses of such detention powers by Police
or ordinance made or promulgated provides officers.
for preventive detention", namely Internal
Security Act, Prevention of Crime Ordinance. Under the new amendments, the Governors
"no citizen shall be detained under that law of Malacca and Penang will now be known
or ordinance for a period exceed ing three as Yang di-Pertua Negeri respectively. In
months unless an advisory board (appointed this connection, I want to remind the
by His Majesty the Yang di-Pertuan Agong) Government to honour the Merdeka under
has considered any representations made by standing that in the case of Malacca, the high
him and made recommendations thereon to posts of Malacca Chief Minister and the
the Yang di-Pertuan Agong". This means Governor would be alternated between a
that the Advisory Board must consider any Malaysian Chinese and a Malay. The former
representations made by a detainee against Prime Minister AUahyarham Tun Razak when
allegations for his detention and make moving the 1971 Constitution Amendment
recommendations to the Yang di·Pertuan Bill spoke of the "careful and balanced
Agong within three months' of detention. character of the Constitution which was so
This is now amended to extend the time to painstakingly negotiated and agreed upon by
allow the Advisory Board more leisurely the major races in Malaysia before we
pace to consider representations, although attained independence". This understanding,
fundamental rights to liberty are involved. both in letter and spirit, explicit and implicit,
Under the proposed new Article 151 (1) (b) must be honoured. In Malacca, this under
the Advisory Board is required to consider standing has not been observed. In fact. we
representations not within three months of have at present the sorry spectacle in Malacca
the detention but within three months of of the President of the Malacca Municipality
receiving such representations, or within such who is also the M.C.A. Malacca President,
longer period as the Yang di-Pertuan Agong Datuk Tan Cheng Swee, desperately clinging
-
to his post of. Malacca Municipal Commis Tuan Yang di-Pertua, as a developing
sioner although he has been abused, disgraced country we are well aware that the question
and condemned by every UMNO branch. of fundamental liberties is very important.
Thus it is that right at the beginning of our
In conclusion, the D.A.P. cannot support Constitution, Part II of the Constitution deals
the present batch of amendments because with Fundamental Liberties. This shows that
they constitute : Mr Speaker, Sir. our founding fathers and
the people who wrote the Constitution saw
(1) Serious erosion of fundamental liberties
the importance of fundamental liberties.
of Malaysians.
(2) Negates the Rule of Law by providing I f the majority of our people regard our
for unjustifiable retrospective legisla Federal Constitution as the cornerstone on
tion. which rests the hopes and future of the
country, then it would be true to say that they
While we support some of the amendments, regard the fundamental liberties as are
like Clauses 26 and 27 to increase the number enshrined in the Constitution as the bedrock
of Federal judges and High Court judges to on which the hopes and aspirations of the
deal with the backlog of cases, so that justice people not only of our generation but also
is speeded up, as justice delayed is justice for generations yet unborn are reposited.
denied, and for instance Clause 106 to give
expanded powers to the Auditor-General to Mr Speaker, Sir, out of the holocaust Of.
audit accounts of statutory boards and World War I I was born the Universal
agencies, we cannot accept the Bill because Declaration of Human Rights which have
the other amendments involved even more been adopted by the United Nations.
important principles on which the continued Malaysia is a member nation of the United
survival of Malaysia as a democratic nation Nations and has ratified the Universal
depends. Declaration of Human Rights and, as I have
mentioned before. these are now enshrined in
our Constitution.
5.03 pig.
Mr Speaker. Sir. all men are born free and
Dr Tan Chee J\.hoon (Kepong): Tuan fundamental and basic human rights are
Yang di-Pertua, saya bangun untuk meng regarded as essential conditions for a free and
ambil bahagian dalam Rang Undang-undang democratic wav of life. Just now the Member
yang dikemukakan oleh Yang Amat Ber for Kota Mela.ka made a quotation from the
hormat Perdana Menteri dan di samping itu. Reid Commission. The Reid Commission
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon izin reiterated time and again the importance of
bercakap dalam bahasa lnggeris juga. fundamental liberties, but nevertheless, saw
the point of making restrictive laws to protect
Tuan Yang di-Patua: Ya, boleh. the safety of the country and had made
provision in Article 149 to cope with any
emergencies.
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: (Deni:an izin) Tuan
Yang di-Pertua, the founding fathers of our Tuan Yang di-Pertua. it is very sad for me
Constitution took great care and spent a to say in this House that first Malaya and
great deal of time in drawing up our later Malaysia has known very little freedom
Constitution. Suruhanjaya Reid yang since World War IL Thus during the First
anggotanya terdiri dari jurists yang termahir. Emergency we had the Emergency Regula
dan terkenal daripada berbagai negara dalam tions which sanctioned arbitrary detention
Commonwealth. They saw to it that the where those detained were denied the writ of
checks and balances. as between the habeas corpus and Malaya looked like a vast
Executive, as represented by the Cabinet and concentration camp. Then when the
the Civil Service, the Legislative, as Emergency was deemed to be over, Mr
represented by Parliament. and the Judiciary Speaker, Sir, and the threat of communism
are carefully balanced. Mr Speaker. Sir, was deemed to be over. we had the ISA. i.e.
under the Constitutional amendment. the Internal Security Act, when all the
unfortunately, as I shall presently show this loopholes in the Emergency Regulations were
delicate balance is now being upset. plugged up and new screws were applied to
2053 12 JULAI 1 976 2054
curb fundamental liberties. Since then the institutional violence in order to crush
Government bas passed one repressive dissent and deprive the people of their
legislation after another and this greatly freedom creates an explosive situation for
restricted fundamental liberties. The Govern any State."
ment bas even gone to the extent of gazetting
the Essential (Security Cases) Regulations The Conference also calls upon the
without the need of coming to this House for peoples and upon the governments in our
approval. Fortunately, because of protests region to prepare the way towards the
made by the Bar Council and by Members creation of a truly just and humane society
of the Opposition and by others as well, it by :
bad given us permission to debate the "Working for the ratification of the
Essential (Security cases) Regulations. Mr United Nations International Covenants
Speaker, Sir, thus we can see that the lights on Human Rights and, wherever these
of democracy in this country are being Covenants are ratified, to ensure the
dimmed one after another and slowly but implementation of their provisions in the
surely we are degenerating into a police state life of each country and the introduction
without our knowing it. Indeed many inside of the necessary legislation for the
and outside this country have stated that we protection of human rights."
are already a police state without our
knowing it. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, malangnya kita
tiada ratify ketiga-tiga United Nations'
Mr Speaker, Sir, in this House time and
International Covenants on Human Rights.
again I have stated that we became a free
country since 1 957, and that we are a nascent I shall now, Mr Speaker, Sir, refer to the
democracy. As such, I have stated before in amendments that are being brought by the
this House, and I reiterate it again today, Mr Government again today.
Speaker, Sir, that it behoves all of us whether
the Government or the Opposition to nurture Clauses (3) and (4) of Article 5 of our
and nourish this tender plant known as Constitution reads :
democracy so that in the fullness of time it
"(3) Where a person i s arrested be shall be
will take deep roots and bloom forth and
informed as soon as may be of the grounds
withstand the bulleting to which it is sure to
of his arrest and shall be allowed to consult
be subjected.
and be defended by a legal practitioner of
Mr Speaker, Sir, unfortunately the Barisan his choice."
Nasional Government has been making "(4) Where a person is arrested and not
greater and greater inroads into human released he shall without unreasonable
rights and has sought to institutionalise them delay, and i n any case within twenty-four
through their passage in this House and thus hours (excluding the time of any necessary
mask their repression with a cloak of legal journey) be produced before a magistrate
propriety and respectability. But I must warn and shall not be further detained in
the Government that this will not fool anyone custody without the magistrate's
and I must urge the Government to think authority."
before it is too late.
Mr Speaker. Sir, recently I attended the In Article 5 of the Constitution, these two
first Pacific Regional Conference on Human rights are denied to the enemy aJiens. But
Rights organised by the Amnesty Inter now Clause 4 of the Constitutional amend
national held at Tozanso, Japan. And, with ment that is before us now seeks to extend
your permission, Mr Speaker, Sir, I shall this denial to citizens. This, Mr Speaker, Sir,
quote a short excerpt from the Declaration will make a mockery of the fundaniental
that was drawn up : human rights that are enshrined in our
Constitution, and I shall touch a little later
"The Conference maintains that the use on the amendment proposed in Clause 4.
of such repressive measures for the curtail
ment of basic human rights creates a Mr S peaker. Sir. to put it in layman's
situation in which the use of violence by language, this amendment seeks to withdraw
the oppressed becomes inevitable and from citizens their basic rights to be
believes that the consistent resort to represented by a counsel of their choice, to
20SS 12 1ULAI 1976 20S6
know the reason of their arrest and to who arc in the Opposition will understand
production before a magistrate within what this new amendment is. However, I am
twenty-four hours of their arresL assured by a few friends of mine in the
Barisan Nasional that it means that virtually
This is a terrible piece of legislation
Clauses (3) and (4) of Article S remain
unworthy of any civilised nation and worthy
intact, and to that extent, Mr Speaker, Sir, I
of an authoritarian regime which represses its
think not only I but the whofe country is
people and where all fundamental liberties
reassured.
are denied to the people.
Why does the Government seek this vast Mr Speaker, Sir, one of our fundamental
power when under the legislation that is in liberties is the freedom to practise one's
the Statute Book it has all the powers that it faith. I charge the Government with making
needs to crush any threat of communist a serious inroad into the freedom of religion
insurgency? by amending Clause (2) of Article 12 with
the new Clause (2). Let me quote the original
Mr Speaker, Sir, arbitrary detention with Clause (2) of Article 12. It reads, and I
out trial in a court of law is bad enough. But quote :
Clause 4 of the amendments which proposes "Every religious group has the right to
to withdraw fundamental rights from persoas
establish and maintain institutions for the
arrested, detained or placed under restricted
residence in order to prevent them not only education of children and provide therein
from being represented by counsel of their instruction in its own religion . . . . ."
I maintain that this is a serious breach of impact of these amendments and the Bar
the delicate balance between the Executive, Council up to today, I am told, has not been
the J udiciary and the Legislative Branches of given a copy of this Bill for it to study.
the Government that now exists between
them. These checks and balances have been Mr Speaker, Sir, these amendments are the
carefully worked out and have worked well largest batch of Constitutional amendments
in the past. What, then, is the necessity for that haw been brought to this House. These
this change'! amendments touch on many aspects of
human endeavour in this country. While I
We are a Constitutional Monarchy, Mr agree with some of them, many of them I do
Speaker, Sir, and it follows that the Yang not agree. Many of them, I do confess
di-Pertuan Agong must follow the advice of although I can understand them, I do not
the Prime Minister of the day. Hence if the know the imp-dct of them, and the reason is
Prime M inister wishes to pack the Federal very simple, Mr Speaker, Sir. These amend
Court or the High Court all that he needs to ments have been given to, I think, Members
do is to mention this to the Yang di-Pertuan of Parliament since the 5th of J uly, if I am
Agong and the latter will have to comply. not mistaken, which means that those of us
And Parliament will have lost one of its who are in this country since the 5th of July
cherished rights. But why is the Government had to try and study these amendments, in
so power-hungry that it must interfere with addition to taking part in the various debates
judicial appointments as well? in this House, and in additon to taking part
in the various cocktails that were abundant
Mr Speaker, Sir, I cannot too greatly
in this Capital City, with the result that many
emphasise that in this country the last hope
of us had very little time left. I myself must
of the citizens of this country, despite all the
confess that I had only time to read these
repressive laws that the Government may
amendments on last Friday and Saturday
provide, is the Judiciary and if the Govern
nights and thinking about it on Sunday.
ment now seeks to take away from Parlia
ment the right to increase the number of Tuan (limbalan) Yang di-Pertua: Ahli
Judges and give this right virtually to itself,
Yang Berhormat ada dua minit lagi !
then I say this is a great breach in the
delicate balance that rests between the three
Dr Tan Chee Khoon: Yes. Mr Spe1ker,
branches of the Government. namely, the
Sir, hence the Government shoud �
gi\c u s
Executive, the Judiciary and the Legislature.
adequate time.
Mr Speaker, Sir, the Government says that
it respects the Rule of Law and that thes�
Now. one thing that I oppose also is the
retrospective powers that have been given in
changes are necessary for it to light militant
four of these amendments. This retrospective
communism. But does the Government
effect to any legislation is very bad and I do
realise that by institutionalising repression 1t
urge the Government to use such powers very
has brought the law into disrepute and
sparingly.
disrespect and makes it very much easier for
those who want to subvert the Constitution
Unde·r Article 149 of the Constitution, the
to do so?
Government has the power to pass any
Does the Government realise too that in legislation to contain any atte111pt to subvert
many respects the cure is worse than the the country. Thus, it has passed the Internal
disease. Security Act and other Emergency Regula
tions so that it has got all the powers that is
Mr Spea ker, Sir, any amendment to our necessary for it to deal with any emergency
Constitution is a very serious matter. I have, situation. But why then is it so power
in the past, maintained that adequate time hungry that it is now power-drunk?
should be given to all the people of this
country to study any Constitutional amem.1- Let me remind the Government that all
ment. In particular, the Government should power corrupts and absolute power corrupts
give an opportunity to the Bar Council to absolutely. Let it not be said that the country
study the amendments and to offer its views has not been warned. Mr Speaker_ Sir, in
on them. I regret to say that enough time has conclusion, I wish to move that this Bill,
not been given to the people to study the because of the shortness of time that bas been
2059 12 JULAI 1976
perenggan 1 1 iaitu mulai Article 149 di mana serta mempertabankan undang-undang. Ini
Perlembagaan telah memberi kuasa yang lah ilcrar saya yang saya buat dalam Dewan
luas; iaitu : yang mulia ini.
Perenggan 1 1 . Bahawasanya kalau ke Selain dari itu berkaitan dengan Article
adaan suasana begitu buruk maka lJndang 125 berhubung dengan kuasa-kuasa yang
undang bQleh dibuat tanpa pindaan akan diberi kepada Hakim Mahkamah Per
Undang-undang Perlembagaan. sekutuan. Pada masa sekarang kuasa-kuasa
Misalnya, keadaan yang ada sekarang iaitu yang diberi kepada Hakim Mahkamah Per
lJndang-undang Internal Security Act, ini sekutuan ialah terdapat dalam Court of
telah memberi kuasa yang banyak tanpa Judicature Act dan satu daripada original
meminda undang-undang. jurisdictionny ialah berkaitan dengan
perkara-perkara yang terlibat dalam Article
Berkaitan dengan perenggan (3) yang akan 128 Perlembagaan. J adi dia tak ada kuasa
dipinda di mana : yang terdapa t kepada hakim-hakim Mah
(3) "Where a person is arrested he shall be kamah Tinggi. Saya tertarik kepada kejadian
informed as soon as may be of the baru-baru ini di mana semua Ahli Yang
grounds of his arrest and shall be Berhormat saya fikir telah mengetahui
allowed to consult and be defended by tentang perbicaraan Yang Berhormat Datuk
a legal practitioner of his choice." Harun. Perbicaraan itu dijalankan oleh
seorang Hakim Mahkamah Persekutuan.
Inilah hak yang termaktub dalam
Perlembagaan. Perenggan 4 pula : Tuan (Timbalan) Yang di-Pertua: Perkara
(4) "Where a person is arrested and not itu masih dalam rayuan.
released he shall without any unreason
able delay, and in any case within Tuan Ariffin bin Haji Daud: Tuan Yang
twenty-four hours (excluding the time di-Pertua, inilah yang menjadi hairan. Jadi
of any necessary journey) be produced mungkin satu daripada alasan-alasan rayuan
before a magistrate and shall not be yang dibuat oleh yang kena tuduh ialah
further detained in custody without the perkara itu iaitu Hakim Mahkamah Per
magistrate's authority." sekutuan tak ada kuasa mendengar perkara
perkara di Mahkamah Tinggi. Jadi apabila
Berkaitan dengan lJndang-undang yang kita luluskan lJndang-undang ini dan lulus
ada sekarang, misalnya Seksyen 1 17 Criminal pula retrospective, rayuan yang dibuat oleh
Procedure Code telah memberi kuasa kepada yang kena tuduh itu sudah mansuh-tak ada
M ajis tret untuk mcnge]uarkan perintah makna lagi, tctapi kalau dipinda dibcri kuasa
tahanan sehingga 14 hari dan 14 hari lagi kepada Hakim Mahkamah Persekutuan dan
mungkin jadi 28 hari. Ini telah ada dalam dikuatkuasakan ketika Rang Undang-undang
Undang-undang yang ada sekarang. mungkin ini diluluskan, ini tak akan tin1bul satu
akan diperkatakan bahawa susah hendak kecurigaan kepada masyarakat, tetapi apa
mendapat perintah daripada majistret itu. bila kita luluskan Undang-undang ini with
Tetapi sepanjang yang saya tahu semenjak effect retrospectively. Ini akan menin1bulkan
tahun 1958 lagi di mana ketika itu saya •atu kecurigaan. adakah undang-undang Per
menjadi seorang pegawai Polis. tak pernah lembagaan yang dipinda ini kerana kes
permohonan untuk menahan orang-orang Datuk Harun. Mungkin tidak. Mungkin Ahli
yang dituduh ditolak oleh majistret dan pada ahli Yang Berhormat mengatakan tidak,
tahun 1 972 juga di mana saya menjadi tetapi masyarakat bagaimana" Satu ke
scorang pegawai dalam Jabatan Kchakiman, eurigaan akan timbul bahawa kelalaian
tak pernah satu ketika di mana saya sendiri jabatan yang berkenaan boleh diatasi dcngan
menolak permohonan untuk menahan orang meminda undang-undang Perlembagaan.
yang dituduh, kecuali syaratnya tak eukup,
Satu perkara lagi ialah mengenai Article
tetapi kalau syaratnya tak cukup. itu bukan
lah silap undang-undang, itu silap jentera
1 35 dalam Clause 30, muka 8 dalam bahasa
pentadbiran. Itulah perkara-perkara yang lnggeris berkaitan dengan pcmccatan
merunsingkan kami, terutama sekali saya pegawai-pegawai iaitu :
sebagai Ahli Parlimen apabila saya berikrar "!35 (!) No member of any of the services
mengangkat Sumpah tempoh hari, satu dari mentioned in paragraphs (b) to (g) of
pada syaratnya ialah memelihara, melindungi Oause (!) of Article 132 shall be dismissed
2063 12 JULAI 1976 2064
dan juga menikmati privileges yang warga contains all the laws, under which if any
negara-warganegara di negara lain barang person is alleged to have committed an
kali tidak dapat menikmati seperti kita. offence, he can be arrested or detained, but
the Penal Code does not provide for that
Di sini, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya hendak person who is detained or arrested to be
memberi sedikit-sebanyak komen alas beber produced before a Magistrate within twenty
apa pindaan. Yang Pertama, pindaan atas four hours. Now, in such a case if that is the
Perkara 5 kepada Perlembagaan kita. Tuan meaning of this new proviso, then I would
Yang di-Pertua, sebenarnya beberapa hari say that it sounds rather ridiculous, because
yang laJu kita telah menerima pindaan all the provisions in the PenaJ Code or under
pindaan atas Perlembagaan ini tetapi pada the Road Traffic Ordinance or under the
hari ini saya baru dapat satu pindaan atas Customs Act do not provide expressly for
pindaan kepada Perlembagaan. Oleh sebab the production of a detained or arrested
itu kita tidak dapat peluang untuk mengkaji person before a magistrate within twenty
lebih dalam atas pindaan yang terakhir ini, four hours. lf that is so, as I said, then it
tetapi di sini saya hendak memberi kon1en
would mean that all those persons arrested
sedikit-sebanyak atas perkara ini.
under the existing laws which do not provide
(Dengan izin) Mr Speaker, Sir. Article 5. for the production of the arrested or detained
sub-clause (4) is proposed to be amended person, from now on if we pass this BiH. are
a " d with your permission, I will read the going to be deprived of their right and you
sub-clause (4) with the amending new can imagine there will be thousands and
provision, viz: thousands of people who are going to be
"(4) Where a person is arrested and not deprived of this fundamental right. So, I
released he shall without unreasonable could only think that this is not the intention
delay, and in any case within twenty-four of Parliament today. Parliament does not
hours (excluding the time r>f any have that intention by the introduction of this
unnecessary journey) be produced before clause to exclude all persons arrested or
a magistrate and shall not be further detafoed to be brought before the court. I
detained in custody without the think the intention of Parliament is that in
magistrate's authority provided"--this is the case of those people who are alleged to
the new amendment, Mr Speaker. Sir have committed very serious offences and
"that this Clause shall not apply to the who are arrested or detained, they need not
arrest or detention of any person under the be produced before the court within twenty
existing law which make no provision for four hours and that they may be produced
the production of such a person before after a certain length of time. This is how I
a magistrate, and all the provisions of this look at this matter. i.e. the intention of
Clause shall be deemed to have been an Parliament today, whether we are passing
integral part of this Article as from this particular amendment to exclude all the
Merdeka Day." persons arrested and detained, so that they
could be excluded from being brought before
Mr Speaker, Sir, what I wish to seek a the court within twenty-four hours.
clarification is in regard to the interpretation
of this proviso. What I can jmagine is this : Perhaps another way at least of inter
that any person who is arrested or detained preting this particular proviso, i.e. "provided
under any existing law which makes no this Clause shall not apply to the arrest or
provision for his production before the detention of any person under the existing
niagistrate within twenty�four hours. in a case law wh.ich . . . ." instead of "which makes
like this, it would mean that under any law no provision for the production of'', it could
which does not provide expressly-in other be interpreted as "which makes no express
words, the law is silent on the matter in that provision for the non�production of a
it does not say expressly that you must particular person who is detained or
produce the detained or arrested person arrested". Perhaps that is the intention. If
before the magistrate within twenty-four that is so. then I would say I will agree with
hours. it. Interpretation is very important because
Mr Speaker, Sir, if I may draw your when we have passed this Amendment or any
attention, practically under aJJ the law in the law, the body that is responsible for
country, for example, our Penal Code which interpreting this law, i.e. the Judges, the
12 JUlAI 1976 2068
s.siom Court President, the Magistrate&, are taking place very lut in the world--men
they will be looking for the intention of. have gone to the moon and come back.
Parliament. Tberdore, the words that we use Therefore, I suggest that it is time for us now
today are of. extreme importance; if they are to set up a special Royal Commission to
not clear, then the Judges, the Sessions Court examine all the provisions of the Constitut
President and the Magistrates will read all tion and especially to review matters
kinds of. intention in the interpretation of tlBs contained in the Constitution under the
provision. heading of "Federal, State and Concurrent
Lists" because it is those Lists that contain
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya juga merojok matters that very often give rise to disagree·
kepada perkara yang lain iaitu perkara (2) ments between the State and Central Govern·
iaitu Amendment of Article I . Di bawah ments and I trunk all possible areas which
pindaan ini, "the States of Federation shall can give rise to such conllict ought to be
be Johore, Kedah. Kelantan, Melaka, Negri minimised as much as possible.
Sembilan, Pahang, Penang, Perak, Perlis.
Sabah, Sarawak, Selangor and Trengganu." 5.56 pig.
lllis, to my mind, Tuan Yang di·Pertua,
Tuan Haji Suhaimi bin Datuk Hajl
places every State equal to one another within
Kamaruddin (Sepang): Tuan Yang di·
the Federation of Malaysia and from this, I
Pertua, oleh kerana naskah sahehnya dalam
hope it is a forerunner of better things to
bahasa Inggeris, saya minta izin di sana sini
come especially in the efforts of unifying our
menyelitkan ucapan saya di dalam bahasa
country of so many States and especially
lnggeris.
with regard to Sabah and Sarawak where
many laws which are applicable here are not (Dengan izin) Tuan Yang di-Pertua, one
applicable there. We hope that this places all of the prominent features of the Constitu·
States at par with one another and that one tional changes that are being brought to this
day, all the laws would be applicable Honourable Dewan is the lack of
throughout the whole nation covering all the Explanatory Statement.
States. At the present moment, there are still
Kita kurang mendapat tahu apakah sebab·
quite a number of laws which do not apply
sebab yang begitu mendesak yang memerlu
to Sabah or Sarawak.
kan sesuatu pindaan yang telah dicadangkan.
Jika kita kaji di bawah bab Explanatory
Besides these, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, in
Statement tidaklah kita mendapat gambaran
conclusion, I wish to point out that naturally
yang saheh. yang terang apakah sebab-sebab·
the Constitution is a very, very special
nya, apakah reasonnya yang mendorong
document and that the less amendments be
made to the Constitution, the better it is. But satu-satu daripada pindaan yang dicadang·
kan ini. Dan pada pendapat saya, Tuan
we must not forget as Yang Amat Berhormat
Yang di-Pertua, pindaan sesuatu Perlem·
Perdana Menteri has stated, these are
bagaan itu adalah sesuatu perkara yang amat
changing times and not only changing times,
serious dan tentulah kita menierlukan sebab·
things are changing very fast and therefore a
sebab disokong dengan natijah-natijah yang
document, even a special document like the
Constitution will have to change in order to boleh meyakinkan bahawa se•uatu pindaan
suit changing times. Therefore, let us not be itu perlu untuk diluluskan di Dewan yang
mulia ini.
unduly worried about any amendments
introduced to amend the Constitution Saya mernberi satu contoh, Tuan Yang di·
because we must trust our leaders who bring Pertua, berkenaan dengan Fasal 12SA. Fasal
in amendments to the Constitution because 28 mengatakan :
the Constitution has not lived up to our "Perlembagaan adalah dengan ini di·
expectations. That is the only way we can pinda dengan memasukkan selepas sahaja
look at any amendments. Perkara 125 suatu Perkara baru 12SA
seperti berikut :
Finally, because times have changed so Walaupun apa jua yang terkandung
fast-in fact although we have been indepen dalam Perlembag;ian ini, adalah dengan
dent only for 20 years, I would say that ini ditetapb.n bahawa-
during these 20 years, not only changes have {a) Ketua Hakim Negara Mlhkamab
taken place very fast in our country, changes Persekutuan dan seseorang hakim
2069 1 2 JUI.AI 1976 2070
that prompted the amendment of Article boleh. Peraturan Dewan Rakyat ini me
125A to the present Constitution. Apakah nasihatkan kita bahawa sesuatu perkara yang
sebabnya? What arc the reasons, dan tidak sub judice tidak boleh dibincangkan dan
ada dinyatakan di sini dan tidak ada kita Article 125A ini, maaf saya menyatakan
dengar di mana-mana pihak pun apa sebab dengan segala hormatnya, adalah sub judice
nya perlu pindaan l25A. Ini bukan kerana ia menyentuh suatu perkara yang
declaratory. Ini adalah meminda undang akan diputuskan oleh Mahkamah Federal
undang yang ada sekarang. Oleh kerana tidak tidak berapa lama lagi.
ada Huraian yang terang dan jelas maka
timbullah berbagai-bagai spekulasi, lebih Dengan segala penuh ikhlas dan kcjujuran,
lebih lagi dengan keadaan negara kita Tuan Yang di-Pertua, I appeal that Clause
sekarang ini menghadapi banyak musuh. (2) of Arfcle 125A be deleted at the
Musuh negara di kiri, kanan, di semua aspek Committee Stage. Saya harap pihak Kerajaan
dan angle ada musuh. Maka pindaan akan mengambil inisiatif untuk memotong
pindaan semacam ini boleh digunakan oleh kan retrospective effect of the clause supaya
musuh untuk mengelirukan fikiran rakyat mengclakkan segala kekeliruan yang boleh
seolah-olah Kerajaan ada bad intention, ada timbul daripada itu.
mempunyai satu muslihat. Yang sebenarnya
tidak ada, Kerajaan tidak ada muslihat yang Tuan Yang di-Pertua, Article 125A (b)
jahat (bad intention), tetapi oleh kerana mcnyatakan :
Huraiannya tidak terang, tidak nyata, maka "A J udge of the High Court in Malaya
timbul spekulasi, maka timbullah anasir may exercise all or any of the powers of a
anasir subvcrsif cuba mempengaruhi pen�
Judge of the High Court in Borneo" .
dapat-pendapat rakyat dan nyatakan bahawa
tujuan New Article 125A ini ialah ada Bermakna sekarang Judge ataupun Hakim
muslihat. kerana ada satu kes yang kita Mahkamah Tinggi di Malaya boleh ditukar
semua tahu di mana seorang Hakim Federal kan untuk menjadi Hakim di Borneo,
mendengar kes jcnayah di Mahkamah Tinggi. sekarang tidak boleh. Sekarang seorang
Sudah tentu rakyat menyatakan inilah sebab Hakim Mahkamah Tinggi di Malaya tidak
nya, sungguhpun kita di sini tahu bahawa itu boleh kita tukarkan untuk menjadi Hakim
bukan sebabnya New Article 125A ini di
Mahkamah Tinggi di Sarawak ataupun di
masukkan tetapi oleh kerana sense of timing Sabah kerana mereka ada Court yang
ini tidak betul. Dengan sebab itu. saya !erasing, tetapi dengan pindaan ini mem
mcrayu supaya kalaupun hendak mclaksana bolehkan Hakim Mahkamah Tinggi di
kan. insertion of this New Article !25A Malaya untuk duduk sebagai Hakim Mah
jangan hendak adakan retrospective. jangan kamah Tinggi di Sabah dan Sarawak. Timbul
kita laksanakan cffectnya itu kebelakang. lagi soalan mengapa ini perlu. Oleh kcrana
biarlah perlaksanaannya mulai pada tarikh kurang H uraian, kurang penjelasan, timbul
ianya digazette ataupun tarikh yang tertentu. lagi spekulasi. Mungkin ada pihak mcnyata
jangan ada retrospective. kan ini satu threat kepada Judges di Malaya,
Bila ada kuasa retrospective seperti yang kalau kita tidak scbelah Kerajaan akan di
transferkan ke Sarawak dan Sabah, katanya
terkandung di dalam bentuk yang ada
sekarang maka timbullah sepertimana telah boleh digunakan. Ada pihak-pihak golongan
saya katakan tadi iaitu spekulasi (specula golongan yang subversif, yang anti-nasional
akan mcnggunakan ini menyatakan bahawa
tion). Ini akan mendatangkan akibat yang
ini subtle threat. satu ugutan yang subtle dari
paling buruk kepada negara kita dipermain seg i pihak Kerajaan kepada Hakim-hakim
kan dispekulasikan, dieksploitasikan oleh yang selalu memberi judgment yang anti·
musuh-musuh negara pada hari ini. Malah Kerajaan. Kalau dia berasa tidak sedap
saya nyatakan dari segi pendapat saya, saya judgementnya ditukarkan dia jadi Hakim,
minta maaf menyatakan di sini bahawa New mungkin di pendalaman atau ke mana-mana
Article 125A ini ialah sub judice dan oleh di Sarawak, bukanlah saya hendak memper
kecilkan Sarawak atau Sabah-tidak. Sabah
kcrnna ia suh judice out of order Article
dan Sarawak bagus, negerinya baik tetapi
-
ini dibincangkan sekarang, kerana kita mem adalah satu kenyataan bahawa orang-orang
bincangkan satu ha! yang akan dibicarakan di sini takut juga, susah hati, bimbang juga
di Mahkamah Federal, bermakna kita tidak hendak berkhidmat di sana. Jadi mungkin
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abn digunakan oleh pihak-pihak yang tcr llCICOOUlg itu boJeh diproducc lehih daripada
tentu yang tidak bertanggungjawab mcnyata 24 hours, undang-undans itu null and void
kan bahawa pindaan (b) ini adalah satu kcrana mcl•ngpr Perlcmbagaan. tetapi
subtle threat-Uj!Utan yang halus mcnakut dengan adanya proviso yang baru ini maa
mcnakutkan Hllim-baltim di Mahkamah benarkan undang-undang Yans semacam itu
Tinggi Malaya yang tidak bersimpati dan yang menyatakan bahawa tidak perlu dibawa
tidak memberi hukuman-hukuman Gudg (produce) orang yang ditangkap itu kc
ment) selaras dan sejajar dengan kebendak Mahkamah. Ini adalah satu perkara yans
dan keperluan Kerajaan ataupun Ke akan menyusahkan rakyat kerana apabila
mcnterian Undang-undang. orang telah ditahan, apabila produce di
Mahkamah sekurang-kurangnya warisnya,
Tuan (Tunbalan) Yang di-Pertua: Yang kakaknya, adiknya, saudara-maranya
Berhormat ada dua minit sahaja Iagi untuk (relations) tahu yang dia ada. dia hidup
bercakap. lagi-<lia masih ada, tidaklah hilang. Tctapi
kalau dia tidak diproducc, hilang bcgitu
Tuan Haji Sohaimi bin Datuk Haji sahaja, tidak tahu apa kcadaannya dan ini
Kamanulclin: Satu Iagi perkara, Tuan Yang akan menimbulkan satu kerumitan. kc
di Pertua, saya suka menycntuh juga dan saya susahan dan kebimbangan terhadap keluarga
bersetuju dengan pandangan yang menyata keluarga (relatives) yang kena tahan itu.
kan bahawa kuasa Parlimen ini untuk Tuan Yang di-Pertua, oleh kerana masa
menentukan bilangan Hakim Mahkamah sudah cukup, saya mengucapkan berbanyak
Federal dan menentukan bilangan Mah terima kasih di alas peluang yang dibcri
kamah Tinggi hendaklah tidak diambil, biar kepada saya.
lah kuasa itu tetap tinggal di Parlimen ini,
jangan kita serahkan kuasa itu kepada kuasa 6.20 pig.
yang Iain. Ini adalah satu concept separation
Tuan Lee Booa Peag (Maatil)l : Tuan Yang
of powers yang membahagi-bahagikan the
di-Pertua, saya bangun mengambil ba '::'Ji::::
Judiciary, the Legislative dengan the Execu
di dalam membahas Rang Undang-u
tive, dan kalau kita hendak mempertahankan
Perlembagaan (Pindaan) dan saya minta izin
hal ini apabila kita pergi kcluar negeri, inilah
bercakap dalam bahasa Inggeris.
kita gunakan yang ada sekarang ini, tetapi
kalau ini dipinda maka tidak dapat kita Tuan ('Ilmbalan) Yug di-Pertua: Di·
hendak mempertahankan untuk public izinkan.
consumption, foreign consumption bahawa
Judiciary kita adalah tidak terikat dengan Tuan Lee Boon Peng: Tuan Yang di·
Legislature. Sekali Iagi saya merayu supaya Pertua, scbclum saya mulakan ucapan saya,
kuasa Parlimen ini menambahkan bilangan saya ingin mcrujuk kepada satu stalement
Hakim-hakim Federal dan Hakim-hakim yang telah dibuat oleh Y.T.M. Tunku Abdul
Mahkamah Tinggi tetap dipelihara dan tidak Rahman yang menjadi Malaysia's first Prime
diserahkan kepada badan yang lain. Minister.
Akhir sekali, satu lagi point, Tuan Yang (Dengan izin) In the Malayan Constitu·
di-Pertua, ialah soal Article 5 di dalam Per tional Document. Tuan Yang di-Pcnua,
lembagaan. Inipun telah banyak disentuh when Y.T.M. Tunku Abdul Rahman moved
tetapi ada satu perkara yang belum lagi di the second reading of the Constitution Bill
sentuh oleh Ahli-ahli Yang Berhonnat yang (our present Constitution) on August 15,
Iain iaitu dengan proviso yang baru yang 1957. Tunku Abdul Rahman said :
mana telah diberi notis untuk dipinda di "It must be remembered that the
dalam Committee, bennak:na apa juga freedom to· which we aspire is the freedom
undang-undang sekarang yang ada tidak to govern ourselves under a system in
memerlukan production scseorang itu within which parliamentary institutions shall be
24 hours maka undang-undang itu sah. exclusively representative of the people's
Scbclum daripada pindaan ini keadaan will. "
undang-undang sekarang menyatakan
Tuan Yang di-Pertua. I think that should
bahawa tiap-tiap orang yang ditangkap he the primary consideration of all Honour
henda.klah diproducekan within 24 hours. able Members of this House when we haw:
Kalau ada undang-undans yang menyatakan Rang Undang-undang especially in IO serious
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a matter as the making of changes to the expressed their opirtion on it, but I think that
Constitution of a country because the it will be better if the Clause specified the
Constitution of a country has been drawn up various Acts or Ordinances because the
after very deliberate considerations given to wording is so made that it is capable of a
existing Common Law Institutions that were very wide interpretation. Tuan Yang di
in this country prior to Merdeka and after Pertua, the Clause says :
having due regard to the multi-racial
"Provided that this Clause shall not
composition of the peoples in this country.
apply to the arrest or detention of any
Yang Amat Berhormat Perdana Menteri person under the existing law which makes
said just now that some of us in taking part no provision for the production of such
in this debate here will refer to the American person before a Magistrate, and all the
Constitution which is now 200 years old but provisions of this Clause shall be deemed
there are not many changes in it. But I also to have been an integral part of this Article
agree with Yang Amat )Jerhormat Perdana as from Merdeka Day."
Menteri that where the circumstances demand Now, even section 28 of the Criminal
it, especially s.ince the rapid industrialisation Procedure Code says :
and development of a country, if we need to
"An Officer making an arrest without a
change the Constitution, we must do so, but
warrant shall, without unnecessary delay
subject to every Member of this House seeing
and subject to the provisions herein as to
to it that our fundamental rights and liberties
bail or previous release, take or send the
as guaranteed under the Constitution are not
person arrested before a Magistrate's
encroached upon. We must see to it that
Court."
when we change the Constitution that what
we do is to make it workable. I believe that That is provided under the Criminal Pro
England which is supposed lo be the cedure Code and it further states :
Motherland of Democracy does not have a
"No Police Officer shall detain in
written Constitution, although we know that
custody a person arrested without a
they have had the Magna Carta in the 12th
warrant for a longer period titan under all
Century. But all along the English Constitu
the circumstances of the case is reasonable.
tion was based on the English Common Law
Such delay shall not in the absence or after
decisions by the Judges in the High Courts
the expiration of special Order of the
and in their House of Lords and in certain
Magistrate under Section 1 17 exceed 24
Conventions which have the force of law in
hours exclusive of the time necessary for
England. Now, why is it that England which
the journey from the place of arrest to the
is acknowledged to be the "Motherland of Magis.trate's Court."
Democracy" does not have a Constitution?
Because the English feel that when the time Tuan Yang di-Pertua. this is almost the
demands it they can always change the same as Clause (4) of Article 5 of the
Constitut.ion without having to undergo the Constitution and the proviso I believe is
necessity of having a two-thirds majority in meant to exclude certain persons who are
Parliament. arrested, most probably persons arrested
under the Preventive Detention Act which
Now, that is one reason why the English was passed recently under Article 149 of the
who are very very astute in practising Constitution, or the Restricted Residence
political democracy do not have a WTitten Ordinance which was passed before the
Constitution and that is, I think, all the more Second World War under the British or even
reason that we can accept changes to the certain Criminal Law (Prevention of Crime)
Constitution provided the changes so made Act.
do not encroach upon our fundmental rights.
Now, all these. I am sure, even before now,
Now, our fundamental rights have been in the majority of cases in my experience-as
stated to be certain rights to the liberty of the i Member of this Honourable House, I have
person and Iha t is in Part II of the !tad people coming to see me-they found
Constitution-Clauses 5 to 8 and it is here that persons detained were unheard of for
that we find that there is now an amendment more than one week or even IO days. This is
which was tabled this morrting and two of .i very serious provision because of the
my Honourable friends have already inconvenience and worry caused to the
2079 12 JUI.AI 1976 2080
families of the persons who are detained. of Judges. To have an independent Judiciary
They do not know whether he is detained for the Judges must be properly paid We realiac
a criminal or a subversive offence or for any that the remuneration of Judges is linked and
other offence. If he is not brought to the tied up with the other services of the Govern
Court, then the right of the person to know ment resulting in that no increases are
that he is being detained may be lost because possible without disturbing the salary
his family will not be able to know in which structures of the other services. But the other
part of the Police Station he is detained services have the benefit in recent times of
either in the Special Branch or in the the Suffian Commission and the Ibrahim Ali
ordinary Criminal Section and they will have Commission to look into their salary
to make a lot of enquiries to be able to find structures. There is also the question of a
out. I think this is a very serious matter and reasonable pension for the Judge upon
I think it should specify there the type of retirement and since a judge retires upon
offences where· they need not be produced attaining the age of 65 years there is all the
before a Magistrate. more reason why a reasonable pension in
keeping with his status should be provided
We are aware, Tuan Yang di-Pertua, that
for a Judge when he retires. 'There is, I
the security situation in this country is such
believe, certain countries in Europe where a
that steps to enforce security in the nation
Judge's pension is the same as his fomer
should be taken by Government but we hope
salary. Tuan Yang di-Pertua, I now refer
that this kind of amendment will be the last
to . . . . . .
because we must not fall into the easy way
out of amending the Constitution just to meet
Tuan (Tunbalan) Yang dl-Patua: Yang
a given situation because if we go on like
Berhorrnat, masa tidak ada lagi. Masa sudah
this everything that is guaranteed in the
cukup.
Constitution will gradually be eroded by
piecemeal legislation.
USUL
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, I will now refer
to amendments regarding Judges. We PENANGGUHAN MESYUARAT
welcome the amendment to Article 122 and
122A of the Constitution enabling the Yang Menter! Perhubungan (fan Sri V Malllcb
di·Pertuan Agong to increase the number of vuagam): Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon
Judges of the High Court and to appoint a mencadangkan bahawa Majlis ini ditangguh
person qualified to be a Judge of the High kan sekarang.
Court as a Judicial Commissioner for the
despatch of business of the High Court in Tan Sri Datuk Hajl Abdul Kadlr bin
Malaya. Although the power to vary the Ynsof: Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya mohon
number of Judges in the High Court is now menyokong.
taken away from this House and is now
vested in Duii Yang Maha Mulia Yang di· UCAPAN PENANGGUHAN
Pertuan Agong, we are satisfied that, in the
interest of the country, Duli Yang Maha Air Bali Di Pekaa Kepoas
Mulia Yang di-Pertuan Agong will use the
power judicially and appoint only a 6.32 pig.
sufficient number of Judges to cope with the
increased volume of litigation that is now Dr Tan Chee Khoon (Kepoag): Tuan Yang
before the High Courts in Malaya. di-Pertua, saya bangun untuk membangkit·
kan masaalah air bah yang berlaku di Kepong.
The existing Judges that we have now in
Sebelum penghujung tahun 1975, Tuan Yllllf
the Federal Court and in the High Courts
have coped remarkably well with the di-Pertua, jarang ada air bah di Kepong
increased volume of litigation and their tetapi semenjak penghujung tahun 1975 telah
patience inspite of the heavy load of work is tiga kali air bah tiba di Kepong dan air bah
appreciated. itu bukan kena di kampung Kepong sahaja,
In this connection, I would like to bring
tetapi di sekelilingnya juga dan air bah
to the notice of Yang Amat Berhorrnat bukan masuk di pekan sahaja tetapi masuk
Perdana Menteri the matter of remuneration di sekeliling sekolah dan rumah di sana dan
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akibahnya terlampau serious kepada pen kepada Ketua Pengarah dan pegawai
duduk-penduduk di sana. Penduduk-pen pegawainya di J abatan Parit dan Taliair alas
duduk di sana telah merayu saya supaya kerjasama mereka. Saya berharap, Tuan
menyiasat pekara ini dan mengadukan
Yang di-Pertua, Menteri Kerajaan Tempatan
kepada pihak yang berkuasa. Saya telah
siasat perkara ini dan telah diketahui bahawa dan Wilayah Persekutuan boleh mengambil
air bah berlaku di Kepong oleh sebab langkah atau bertindak untuk menghapuska.n
kemajuan perumahan di Desa Jaya mahupun atau mengurangkan air bah yang berlaku di
di Ehsan Sein. Bhd. di mana pokok-pokok di Kepong. Tidak berapa lama lagi. Tuan Yang
tapak rumah di sana telah ditebang dan oleh di-Pertua, musim hujan akan berlaku di
itu apabila hujan turun tidak ada halangan tanahair kita dan diharaplah langkah
kepada air hujan yang turun di sana dan air
langkah yang akan diambil bukan sahaja
itu terus masuk ke Sungai Keroh d_an oleh
sebab Sungai Keroh ialah sebatang sungai oleh Jabatan Parit dan Taliair tetapi oleh
yang kecil maka timbullah air bah di sana. Menteri yang berkenaan boleh mengurangkan
air bah yang berlaku di Kepong.
Selain daripada itu, Tuan Yang di-Pertua,
hujan yang turun di sana menimbulkan masa
alah silt yang memasuki Sungai Keroh dan 6.39 pig.
oleh itu juga timbul air bah di Kepong. Setiausaha Parlimen Kementerian Ke
Malangnya, penduduk-penduduk di sana
rajaan Tempatan dan Wilayah Penekutuan
(Dr Ling Liong Sik): Tuan Yang di-Pertua,
pun ada membuang sampan ke Sungai Keroh
saya hendak mengucapkan terima kasih
dan oleh itu juga ada menimbulkan masaalah
kepada Ahli Yang Berhormat dari Kepong
air bah di Kepong. Oleh itu, Tuan Yang di di atas pandangan-pandangannya berkenaan
Pertua seperti yang disebutkan oleh saya tadi dengan air bah di Pekan Kepong. Ada dua
ada 3 kali semenjak Disember. 1975 air bah sebab yang mengakibatkan berlakunya banjir
berlaku d i Kepong. Saya telah berhubung di Daerah Kepong seperti berikut. Yang
dengan Ketua Pengarah, Jabatan Parit dan pertama, oleh kerana disebabkan kerja-kerja
pembangunan yang sedang dijalankan oleh
Taliair dan juga dengan Jabatan Pemaritan
beberapa pemaju perumahan swasta yang
di Bandaraya dan suruh mereka menyiasat
mana terletak di luar sempadan Wilayah
perkara ini dan mengambil tindakan yang Persekutuan. Anak sungai yang sedia ada
sewajarnya. telah bertambah cetek oleh kerana bertambah
tebalnya tanah dasar sungai itu akibat kerja
Dengan izin, Tuan Yang di-Pertua. saya kerja pembangunan tadi. Oleh yang
ingin membaca sedikit surat yang saya terima demikian, tiap-tiap selepas hujan lebat air
daripada pihak Ketua Pengarah Jabatan Parit sungai itu akan melimpah ke tebing-tebing
dan Taliair : dan membanjiri kawasan-kawa.san yang ber
"Setelah siasatan dijalankan didapati hampiran yang mana kebanyakannya adalah
banjir berlaku di pekan Kepong berikutan tanah rendah. Seperti yang berlaku kepada
dengan aktiviti-aktiviti pembangunan Sekolah Rendah J enis Kebangsaan (China)
perumahan di Ulu Sungai Keroh di sebelah Kepong (2) yang kadang-kala tenggelam
utara. Aktiviti-aktiviti tersebut telah sebanyak q kaki.
mengakibatkan tambahan enapan (silt) di
sungai dan air yang berlari (run off) dari Disebabkan parit-parit di sekeliling Daerah
pada kawasan tersebut berikut hujan lebat. Kepong itu adalah dalam keadaan tidak
Untuk mengatasi masaalah ini Jabatan ini berapa baik khususnya di sekitar Sekolah
telah bertindak supaya mendesak mereka Rendah Jenis Kebangsaan (China) Kepong
yang membangunkan kawasan itu meng (2) itu.
ambil langkah-langkah untuk menahan
enapan (silt retention) serta tambahan air Pihak Dewan Bandaraya telahpun men
yang berlari dari kawasan itu."
cadangbn peruntukan sebanyak $45,000
Tuan Yang di-Pertua, saya ingin meng untuk membaiki parit-parit di Daerah
ambil kesempatan pada masa sekarang untuk Kepong yang termasuk di dalam Wilayah
mengucapkan setinggi-tinggi terima kasih Persekutuan. Waiau bagaimanapun, segala
2083 12 JUI.Al 1976
ketja-kcrja pembaikan parit itu tidak akan Usu! dikemuka bagi diputusku, daa
menyclesaikan m•sa•lah benjir, kcrana dasar disetujukan.
Sungai Keroh itu hendalclah diperdalami 1agi
dan urusan pembaikan Sungai Keroh itu ada Tuan (Timbalan) Yang dl-Patua: Dewan
lah di bawah tanggungjawab Jabatan Parit ditangguhkan sekarang sehingga pukul 2.30
dan Taliair. Saya diberitahu bahawa J abatan petang hari esok, Selasa, l 3hb Julai, 1976.
Parit dan Taliair adalah menyedari tentang Dewan ditangguhlcan pada pukul 6.45
masaalab ini petang.