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LEONARDO SPILLS THE BEANS ON MUDDENAHALLI SCAM

(EXCERPTS FROM HIS TALK)
SAIBLISS·MONDAY, AUGUST 22, 2016

WHO IS MR. LEONARDO GUTTER?

A long time devotee, Mr. Leonardo Gutter was named Chair of the Latin American Sai Organization in the year 2000. Baba
blessed Leonardo with many spiritual experiences and gave him opportunities to speak in His presence in Prasanthi
Nilayam. In 2004, when the Prasanthi Council was formed to oversee the Sai Organizations worldwide, Leonardo was
named one of its members and is still a member of the world body of Sri Sathya Sai Organisations, PRASANTHI
COUNCIL;
The whole Sai fraternity is grateful to Mr. Leonardo Gutter for having publicly shared such matters so that Sathya Sai
devotees worldwide know the TRUTH about these matters related to Muddenahalli group. Here is the excerpts of his talk:

MADHU GAVE TWO INTERVIEWS TO DR. GOLDSTEIN:

When the whole thing started, they called Dr. Goldstein for interviews. Dr. Goldstein himself told me (Leonardo Gutter)
this. He had distanced himself from the Sai Organization; he resigned from his position as President of the Prashanti
Council, and is a member of the World Trust. Then the people at Muddenahhalli called him and offered him the position
that Chakravarti had with Swami, as Secretary. When Swami was in His physical body, the highest position in the World
Organization was that of Chakravarti, it was not the Central Trust, it was Chakravarti. We could say that he was Swami’s
Private Secretary. Everything went through him. He would talk with Swami every day, in the morning, at midday, in the
evening. Swami would give him all the instructions. He was the person closest to Swami. They offered Goldstein the
position of Chakravarti. He had two interviews with Madhusudhan. He came out of there and said, “It’s all a lie.”

Madhusudhan, i.e ‘Swami’ through Madhusudhan, told him things that were not true. He told him, for example, to go to the
US and open a hospital in Ohio. “You know Ohio very well; you lived in Ohio for many years.” But Dr. Goldstein
never lived in Ohio. So, in spite of the position offered to him, which would have meant Madhusudhan, Narasimha Murthy
and Goldstein, through which Goldstein would have obtained fame and recognition and a position of authority –if he had
wanted to– Goldstein left and said “No, it’s a lie.” He told me that himself. All of this, then, is based on an incredible lie.
That’s what they are doing all the time. They are going around all the time soliciting money as beggars.

DONORS ARE SAINTS ACCORDING TO MADHUSUDAN NAIDU AND WILL ALWAYS RE-BORN:
Swami said we are born not to be born again. Right? He said the purpose of life is not to be born again. Do you remember
that? In one of Madhusudhan’s first discourses as a channel, he said, “You will be born again and again with me, life after
life to be with me,” and continued to praise the people who had made donations, “These people who made donations are
saints, great seers from past lives, great elevated beings who are coming here to give money.” Did you ever see Swami
praise a donor? Did you ever hear Him praise the donors? This is all so absurd, so absurd. I know several devotees who are
now following Madhusudhan and say they are very happy because one of them had an interview which he could never get
when Swami was alive and now at last he had it. Such ingenuity!

WHY WAS THE VIDEO OF ISAAC TIGRETT OPENING A CASINO DELETED?

About Isaac Tigrett’s discourse where he claims that Swami told him to open a casino. When I was informed of this
discourse, that it was in YouTube, they sent me the link, and I watched and listened to the discourse. I watched two
sessions, because the entire Christmas celebration was in two sessions. The first one contained Isaac Tigrett’s discourse in
the large hall they have over there. He practically does not even pretend anymore when he does padnamaskar to the chair
where in theory the subtle body is. I saw it, thousands of people saw it. What did the Muddenahhalli people do when they
became aware of it? They took this video out of YouTube. Do you think that is correct? If they are proclaiming something,
if they believe it, they cannot, when they realize they have done something wrong, take it out of YouTube. That’s having a
guilty conscience, isn’t it?

WILL SWAMI ASK TO OPEN A CASINO TO BUILD HOSPITALS AND SCHOOLS?

Is this Dharma? Is it Dharma to say to open a casino in Las Vegas? It’s as if tomorrow I were to say, “Swami told me to
open a whorehouse, but it’s going to be a Sai whorehouse.” And the girls’ hygiene will be taken care of. It’s the same; there
is no difference at all. Can Swami ever say that? Open casinos, open a whorehouse. Who knows what he’s going to say
tomorrow. “Come in and steal,”About gambling Swami said that one who wins at gambling has a very bad karma, because
what he wins is at the expense of the losers’ pain. He said that no spiritual aspirant should gamble.

However, now Isaac Tigrett is claiming that Swami, through Madhusudhan Naidu, told him to open a casino in Las Vegas.
Do you understand? Can Swami have ever said that? Let’s forget everything else. Is Swami ever going to say to a person,
“Open a casino in Las Vegas?” And as if that were not enough, “To take light where there is darkness; obviously, funds are
collected for good deeds.” Did Swami ever tell you, “Means don’t matter?” Steal. Steal, and give the proceeds of stealing
for charity. Can Swami ever have said that?

(Here is the DELETED video which is only of one minute duration https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swY...)

ISAAC'S CRYSTAL CITY:

I know Isaac very well. I have talked with him very many times. I have talked at lunch in Prashanti, where I listened to him
and after a while I wondered what he was talking about. I would get lost in everything he said to me. He would talk about
the crystal city he was going to build. I know the person he asked to give away the land where to build such crystal city, but
that person declined the request. I know many stories of what he said he would do, what would happen, that Swami had told
him of the crystal city. I don’t know if you have heard from Isaac’s discourses, which did not bear fruit either. Isaac has
been long telling many esoteric stories on a personal journey. He is a very special devotee, has enormous charm and has
made a huge contribution to Swami’s mission, for which we should be forever grateful. But we can all make mistakes. We
can all fall into a trap. Then I would say to myself, “Who is free to cast the first stone?” Perhaps Isaac fervently believes in
it, if he was ever convinced of the crystal city, perhaps he is convinced and he says it because he is convinced.

WHY ARE THEY NOT BUYING A FLIGHT TICKET FOR SWAMI?

They had a devotee buy a car and spend USD $80,000 or $100,000 for Swami to travel in a subtle body, and the devotee
purchased it. Does a subtle body need a car to travel? If these people at Muddenahhalli were consistent, when they buy first-
class or business class tickets in any country, they would have to buy a seat for Swami, wouldn’t they? And have a seat
reserved for Him, given that He has to travel by car in Muddenahhalli, from His home to where the devotees are. Why
don’t they buy Him a plane ticket, then? They don’t buy Him a plane ticket, there (While on a foreign tour) He does
not need a vehicle, (BUT) in Muddenahhalli He does.

Another extraordinary piece of foolishness: they place Swami’s bedroom in that building and say, “We placed the window
so it looks over the airport, so that Swami can have a view of the airport.” Does God need a window to look at a particular
place? A bathroom? Is there a subtle body that needs to go to the bathroom? Does a subtle body need to take a
shower? If you answer, “Yes,” then I’m wrong. Isn’t that so? But see how absurd, how grotesque everything these people
say and do is. And, most incredibly, many long-standing devotees are not aware of it. They continue to be caught up in such
a bizarre thing.

(Please watch this video where the PRO of Muddenahalli is actually telling a group of innocent devotees that Swami
has the VIEW of airport from his room, bathroom and Air conditioner is arranged for Swami and few other bizarre
things. Here is the link https://youtu.be/KePS-x6FbX4)

SWAMI WILL NEVER SOLICIT MONEY: “if the subtle body exists –which is not true– but we’ll pretend it exists, and
that person, Madhusudhan alone can see it and no one else on planet Earth can hear and communicate with Him. There’s
one thing that Swami will never do, and that is to go against His principles, against His teachings. I do not believe that
Swami, who spent all His life, 71 years since He announced that He was Sai Baba, since before then, He always taught the
same thing. I used to read Swami’s books a lot. There is not a single book where Swami says one thing and contradicts it
later. The principles are always the same: “Be good, live righteously.”

Once He told me, “Swami will never ask for money.” Many years ago, I used to sit for darshan and one day He stopped by
me and said “Swami will never solicit money.” You understand? I said, “Yes, Swami,” and the darshan continued. Why did
Swami do that? Perhaps only so that today I may be talking to you and say, “Swami will never solicit money.” And these
people go around like beggars claiming that “Swami is beside me and says that,” To a devotee he said, “Sell your home and
give me money for the hospital.” Or they are traveling to different places to meet rich donors to solicit money from them.

MUDDENAHALLI GROUP ARE PESTERING DONORS FOR MONEY:

When I go to Prashanti I have to go and have dinner with a dear friend of mine, because he asks me all the time to visit him.
A real close relationship. And he told me the whole story. Not only did he tell me everything. When they left(Muddenahalli
group after visiting my friend) they continued insisting by email. And he sent me a copy of the emails they sent him. They
insisted, “Give me money. Give me money.” “You haven’t given me money yet?” Is this by any chance the Swami you
knew? This is the Swami who speaks through Madhusudhan. And I can guarantee you that it is not the Swami I knew in
Prashanti Nilayam. It’s totally the opposite. It’s a pity that many devotees who are devotees of Bhagavan Sri Sathya Sai
Baba fall into this confusion, into this hallucination, into this illusion, into this deceit.

REMOVING MADHUSUDAN NAIDU'S NAME FROM THE SOLAR ENERGY COMPANY:

Another issue mentioned in this document is that Madhusudhan was a member of a solar energy company, the director of
this company, which by chance happened to supply solar energy to all the buildings being constructed in Muddenahalli. All
construction work is done with this company. He and several people who are managing Muddenahhalli are members of this
company.
(The above picture without Madhu’s photo)

As soon as all this began they removed his name. Why was he removed? If he was member director of this company, why
should they hide him? That’s an adharmic attitude. (Here is the screen shot of the website with all the photos. The first one
has Madhu's photo and once this was exposed they removed his photo (see the second picture). And when the removal was
also informed, they put his photo back) Here is their website where you can see Madhu’s photo back on the TEAM
,http://lotusener.com/team.html surprisingly V. Kumar is vanished (he used to be very active until Madhu got him married a
year ago)

SWAMI STRICTLY SAID NOT TO STRAY AWAY FROM SAI ORGANISATION"

Although the leaders of the Sai Organization who were promoting Muddenahhalli were asked to resign, it was only to avoid
confusion. Swami once said in a discourse he gave for His birthday, “Never stray from the Organization. Those who stray
away from it are very unfortunate, don’t let yourselves be unfortunate.” He gave extreme importance to the Organization.
Those of us who were called to be in the Organization, we all are in it, some holding a leading position, others as devotees,
some with the responsibility for singing, others for arranging an altar, but we are all part of Swami’s Organization.The
Organization is a channel for spreading His message. It is a channel with a double purpose: to help us… Swami would
always give this example: If you have to travel 10 kilometers on your own, after two kilometers you will be exhausted. If
you’re accompanied by someone else, you’ll get to your destination without noticing how time elapsed. This is the same.
We keep each other company along this spiritual path, we help each other and in addition we help others.

NARASIMHA MURTHY TOOK POSSESSION OF THE MUDDENAHALLI CAMPUS AFTER

MAHASAMADHI:
When we talk about the Muddenahhalli campus –this campus belongs to the Central Trust, affiliated to Swami’s University,
the Sathya Sai Institute of Higher Learning (SSIHL) The students go to Prashanti for all the celebrations, Sports Day,
graduation day, they graduate in Prashanti. The students are Swami’s students. But the campus was taken over. There is an
ongoing court trial now in India because the campus belongs to the Central Trust. Narasimha Murthy took over the campus
and the Central Trust initiated a legal action because it is as if you had a house, and someone else comes along and says
“Now it’s mine.” Do you understand? And they changed the By-laws of the Trust that was running this. There is a very
important legal action in India against the people in Muddenahhalli. And now, after I don’t know how many times, five, six,
seven or ten times [summons], Narasimha Murthy did not go to court. The point is that he is affecting Swami’s work and
legacy. The way they took possession of the place that didn’t belong to them is adharmic.

MADHUSUDHAN AND NARASIMHA MURTHY KNOW THAT THEY ARE LYING:

I basically do not accept two people from the original group: they are Madhusudhan and Narasimha Murthy. These two
KNOW that this is all a lie. The rest of the world may be convinced that it is true, but these two know. Well… Anything
else?