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The Talmud Impaled,

Israel Shamir’s review of
Judaism Discovered by Michael Hoffman*
Published in the Culture Wars, March 2009

A Rabbi was brought a fish to determine whether it is kosher; he checked it out and ruled: “It’s
kosher, but it stinks”. This piece of Jewish humour came to my mind while reading this heavy
volume by Michael Hoffman. Hoffman is worried that his critical view will be considered “bigoted
racist anti-Semitic hate”. I am ready to issue him a clean bill of health in this respect: he is not a
bigot, nor a racist, neither is he an anti-Semite; his doctrinal view is quite orthodox and should not
cause a Christian much worry. He correctly rejects racist anti-Jewish prejudice as unacceptable for
Christians. He professes much love for Jews whom he would like to save. He is solidly anti-
Zionist, and this is certainly a good quality. However, this is not sufficient to make a book a good,
reliable and readable study.

This is a polemical work, almost a pamphlet; a critical book, dealing with beliefs of Jews
(Hoffman prefers to turn an adjective “Judaic” into a noun, and writes of “hapless Judaics”, in
order to avoid the loaded J-word). That's fine -- political correctness has made much of theology
irrelevant by expressly forbidding negative statements about competitors. There is certainly a
place for a critical study of Judaism -- for a book that will take into account previous voluminous
studies and will move us forward to better understanding of this faith and its adherents. However,
Hoffman’s book appears dated, despite being fresh off the press. Books such as this were written
by proud Anglo-Saxon Protestants in the 19th century on, say, the faith of the Hindus or even of
Catholics (“papists”, to Hoffman). This book is rather a torrent of vituperation: “heathen,
heathenish, diabolic, satan-worshipping, counterfeit, delusion, obscenity, racism, superstition,
deceit”. Or “the pagan Talmud consisting of abominable wickedness, prodigious filthiness and
superlative vileness”.

In the time of WASP supremacy, such a style was considered de rigueur, and indeed British and
American missionaries in India or Polynesia employed such language. But nowadays we are
supposed to know better. Some of the best literature and art was created by “pagan heathens”, from
Homer to Mahabharata. “Filthiness, vileness, obscenity” – all these complaints were brought
against Boccaccio and Joyce, and they make precious little impact on us today. I am altogether for
a spade being called a spade, but Hoffman turns it into a bloody shovel every time.

For this reason, Peter Myers, our Australian Catholic friend, refused to do a review of the book,
writing: “The reason I do not deal with Judaism Discovered, is that Hoffman encases his argument
in Protestant spin. He condemns Judaism as an anti-Biblical reversion to Babylonian paganism.
That sort of language leaves me cold: Babylon, Egypt and the Indus civilization were the three
centres from which our own civilization comes - by borrowing. I am constantly amazed at the
Protestant efflorescence in the US. The US is in a time-warp; even some genuine scholars pitch
their view of the ancient civilizations in the Bible’s hateful terms.”

Indeed, time-warp is the right word to describe this book by Hoffman: It is as if he had never read
Mircea Eliade or Guenon or even The Golden Bough of Frazer; he is not aware of comparative-
religion studies. If the language of faith refers to phallus, Hoffman is as shocked as a schoolgirl.
“Vagina” knocks him off completely. Sexual union should not be mentioned at all, in his view. The

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word “heathen” is used throughout his book as a label of moral deprivation and degradation. A
comparison with Buddhism and Hinduism (in the case of esoteric belief in reincarnation) should
seal the doom of Judaism, in Hoffman’s eyes. I doubt that this book can be read outside of the
Bible Belt, where such language and attitudes are still considered valid.

This time-warp is an American, or Anglo-American phenomenon. Hoffman refers (with a touch of

envy) to a multitude of anti-Muslim books with lurid titles like “Dark Side of Islam” or
“Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam” or “Islam’s War against the World”. Indeed every criticism
of Hoffman’s book is equally (or even more) valid with regard to these anti-Muslim diatribes. I
feel much sympathy for Michael Hoffman when he exclaims: Do with Judaism what they did with
Islam and your name will be blotted out. This is true: Muslim-baiting is permitted, but Jews may
be referred to only in hushed voices of adoration. For this reason I do think that Hoffman’s book
has some positive value as a counterbalance to Jewish attacks on Islam and Christianity. It may
teach some Jews modesty, and that is also a worthy goal. Ideologically, I may approve of some of
this book’s pugnacious attitude, or of Hoffman’s wish to bring the light of Christ to Jews.
However, that does not make it a good, or even readable book.

The book is poorly edited: the spelling is not uniform; on the same line, one finds chacham and
khokhem (sage); Ashkenazi and Sephardi pronunciations are alternated confusingly. Both are
valid, but one has to choose. There are many inserts with different type-faces whose provenance is
not made clear to the reader. It is full of various cuttings and quotes from newspapers and internet-
sites, not harmonised or organised properly. Some pages are left blank – the printers did a poor
job. A professional editor, publisher and book-designer could improve this amateur product to a
great extent -- maybe even make it readable.

The prude Hoffman is horrified by many rules of the Talmud which prescribe certain behavior in
the bathroom and bedroom. He takes it too personally, Hoffman does. It could be an entertaining
tidbit – whether the rabbis thought one should strain oneself in a toilet, or compared the colour of
menstrual blood in to that of squashed lice, or whether one may fornicate in the presence of mice
and cats (alas, he missed this one). One may be fascinated by or disregard such sixth century trivia,
written fourteen hundred years ago in Iraq, but Hoffman is as upset as though it had been written
by his employees during working hours instead of their preparing the annual report.

He reports at length the Jewish customs of niddah, menstruation impurity, and appears to be
shocked. I am sure that any modern book of advices to menstruating women could be made
shocking, but these are instructions for internal use.

Hoffman is so devoid of a sense of humour that it pains the reader. He quotes entertaining items of
Jewish folklore – that Nebuchadnezzar’s prick extended one hundred fifty yards long at seeing the
last Judean king, while that of Ahasuerus extended six yards when he saw Esther. For me, it recalls
Mae West with her immortal “Is that a pistol in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?” But
Hoffman goes into hysterics and condemns “the Talmud’s insanely filthy prurience”.

Jewish fairy tales about Metatron, the mega-size cobbler angel who joins the worlds together, do
not fascinate him, but are described as “unconscionable hyperbole and incessant lying”. I wonder
whether he ever read Jack and the Beanstalk as a child -- or did he reject the nursery tales as
“incessant lying”? For if he had read it, he’d have found a lot of similarities: the beanstalk extends
even longer than Nebuchadnezzar’s cock, and the ogre senses the human smell of Jack as far away
as Metatron smells Enoch.

More annoying are his provincial-lawyer diatribes; he is a Little Rock attorney of sorts, who hurls
accusations while not bothering about their consistency. He jumps to baseless conclusions, too fast
and too often. For instance, he quotes the Talmud’s R. Johanan: “a gentile who studies the Law
deserves the death penalty” and he jumps to a strange conclusion: “Jesus Christ … had no right to
study the Law and He paid for His study with His life” But Jesus was not a gentile; he was a
rightful descendent of King David and of other great kings. He was certainly entitled to study the

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Law, even if we believe that this ban was in existence in the days of Christ.

Hoffman notices the Talmudic passion for casuist tricks and dissembling with its “escape clauses”.
He brings a few entertaining examples of how rabbis manage to go against a direct commandment
by subterfuge. Thus, in order to justify bribing of a judge it is enough to claim that there is reason
to believe that a judge is looking to deal harshly with a Jewish defendant; so the purpose of the
bribe is to level the playing field; or in order to achieve leniency rather than a corrupt verdict.

This is an interesting subject, and one could add a lot to Hoffman’s narrative here. For instance,
the Bible postulates that debts should be voided every seventh year. The Talmud turned it into a
right of the debtor, who is entitled to refuse to pay the debt, but may still pay it. In other words,
after the seventh year, any debt becomes like a debt of honour, i.e. non-enforceable. At that stage,
the Talmud allowed creditor to tie up the debtor and keep him tied up until he “voluntarily” paid
the voided debt.

This device is also used by rabbinic courts in order to force a man to grant divorce to his wife, as a
woman may not divorce her man according to Jewish law: only a man may divorce his wife by an
act of free will. So the court orders the arrest and imprisonment of the man until he says “I wish to
divorce her.”

Perversion of God’s word? Sure, but such casuistry is hardly the monopoly of Jews. In Homer’s
Odyssey we learn that Hermes taught Autolykos, Ulysses’ maternal grandfather, to “cajole any
man alive on his bodily oath”. “Autolykos was the noble father of Odysseus’ own mother, and
excelled all mankind in thieving and subtlety of oaths, having won this mastery from the god
Hermes himself (Homer, Odyssey 19.396) Jews are Mercurial, as Slezkine has said, and so
naturally they are able to perform this trickery.

In the Palestinian village of Taybe, I heard a story about a subtle oath which would bring delight to
the heart of any Mercurian: There were a few Bedouin from the South who came to live next to
Taybe and they claimed that they had a rightful title to the land. They were asked to swear in the
name of Allah and the Prophet that it was so, and they swore that they were standing on their own
land. It was said by their adversaries that they had brought a sackful of their own land from the
South, poured it into their boots and so “stood” on it while swearing.

Far away from the Semitic Mediterranean, another famous example of an ambiguous oath can be
found in Tristan and Isolde. Isolde took a ride on Tristan’s shoulders so she’d be able to swear that
no other man ever was between her thighs. It is pity that Hoffman could not offer some
comparable features from other cultures: this would undermine his list of charges, but it would
enhance the reader’s pleasure.

Hoffman’s understanding of Jewish laws pertaining to sexual intercourse is obscured by his desire
to convict. He claims that Judaism “institutionalizes child molestation” and quotes profusely to
make his point. However, the quotations he adduces fail to do the job he wants. They actually refer
to definitions. In general, Hebrew law considers sexual relations as relations between two mature
persons. A boy is considered mature at age of nine; so if an eight-year old boy “has sex” with a
woman; it is not considered “sexual relations”. Subsequently, the woman is not forced to marry the
eight-year-old, she is not jailed, he is not killed, and her marriage prospects are not diminished –
though probably she would be greatly disapproved of in a traditional society.

This seems strange to a modern American reader, but so are other foreign customs. For instance, I
find it strange that the American law would consider Romeo and Juliette’s union an act of
[statutory] rape. One could get into explaining the reasons for this or the other attitude, but that
would be beyond scope of this review.

Sodomy in Jewish law is an act of two consenting males who understand what they are doing.

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Judaism is quite strict regarding sodomy and the preferred cure for it is death penalty. However,
this Jewish-law-sodomy rap does not cover other behavior which may be considered sodomy or
child molestation or statutory rape in American law. Child molestation which is not sodomy is
considered in some cases “seed waste” akin to masturbation and may bear the death penalty.

Moreover, Hoffman quotes a text stressing the extreme prudery of Judaism: it is better to cut off
one’s hand than let it touch penis. So he is aware of a Judaist anti-erotic tendency, though he does
not understand that this causes sublimation, or eroticization of religious feelings, which shocks
him so much. And still, Hoffman claims that this difference in definitions amounts to
“institutionalization of child molestation”! This is too unfair even for a Wild West sheriff!

Hoffman tries to pervert the meaning of R. Ilai’s dictum. “R. Ilai said, If one is sorely tempted, let
him go away where he is not known; let him put on sordid clothes, don a sordid wrap and do the
sordid deed that his heart desires rather than profane the name of Heaven openly.” The text is quite
clear: an anti-erotic, Puritan but worldly rabbi understands that an unmarried man may be tempted
to have sex with a prostitute; so he sends him to do it elsewhere and in sordid clothes, rather than
proudly parade his tendency. This attitude is very foreign to the culture of “gay pride” parades; a
modern man would demand the legalization of brothels and issue every whore with an official
receipt book. De Maupassant characters would not understand the problem. But in a traditional
society, some things were felt best left in the obscuring darkness.

Hoffman mistranslates the temptation of the flesh as the “desire to do evil”, so the worldly advice
“go get laid somewhere else, lad” gets a sinister connotation. R. Ilai does not send the student to
kill, rob, commit adultery, or whatever, just to have some illicit sex without attracting attention and
bringing disrepute to his position. His advice still holds good today – for a Louisiana senator Vitter
or a New York Governor Spitzer.

Hoffman does not understand the idea of seclusion, either. The Jewish law forbids a man and
woman to be secluded, even to use an elevator together. It is, however, permitted for a man to be
secluded with a little girl (below age of three), for obvious reasons – she may need attention, the
man may be her father or brother, and she can’t be considered a sex object. A woman indeed may
be secluded with a boy below nine years old – she may be his wet nurse, or au pair, or kitchen
help, or a female relative. In the dirty mind of Hoffman this reasonable rule means “permission to
have sexual intercourse with babies”. Nothing of the sort is intended. Without this exception,
rearing of children would be just too difficult.

Likewise, Hoffman quotes with great élan these words: “When a grown-up man has intercourse
with a little girl it is nothing, for when the girl is less than this, it is as if one puts the finger into the
eye”. This quote is out of context: If one takes time and reads the full text of Kethuboth 11, one
understands that this text deals with a specific question: what is the status of a woman who was
molested while she was less than three years old. Is she considered a virgin? Is she entitled to full
payment in case of subsequent divorce? May she marry a priest? The Jewish law correctly rules
that a girl molested at such a young age is considered a virgin, is entitled to full compensation, and
may marry a priest. This molestation is of no importance regarding her status, “as if one puts the
finger into the eye”. This text does not deal with the question of what should be done to the
molester, only what should be done with the victim in a society which puts a high value on
virginity.

His dedicated drive to convict Judaism of all possible depravities drives him overboard as he
claims that circumcision is the “homosexual molestation of infants”, while sucking off blood
during the operation is “fellatio”. One may disapprove of this custom (which is actually widely
spread and is practiced by Muslims and by Christian Ethiopians as well), but no fair and sane man
would agree with Hoffman’s molestation charge.

A comparison of Judaic practices towards children with other systems would also put things into
context: for instance, in Roman law, father has right to kill his children for any reason whatsoever.

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Nothing would stop a Roman gentleman from taking his pleasure with a male or female of any
age. And Roman law (in Justinian’s codification) is contemporaneous with the Talmud. In the
Greece of Socrates, there were no taboos on homosexual relations. And the West is the spiritual
progeny of Greece and Rome.

Hoffman is on a safer ground when he speaks of the Judaic attitude towards gentiles. This subject
is well-researched, and on the Web one can find a few monographs in English, French and Hebrew
dealing with it. Indeed, Jewish law is quite awful to a goy and hardly considers him/her a human
being. Hoffman is also right when he connects this law with today’s Gaza siege, surely a crime
against humanity. However, here a comparison would also be suitable: The ancestors of Hoffman
killed off millions of Native Americans without Jewish advice, while the British eliminated
Tasmanians and killed millions of Indians, Africans and whoever else came their way. Is it better
to be a Palestinian native under Jewish rule, or a Tasmanian native under British Protestant rule, or
even a Patagonian native under Spanish Catholic rule? Alas, there are no Tasmanians or
Patagonians left to ask.

This is not said in order to encourage the Jews to emulate the Tasmanian example, or to make them
feel complacent. God knows, Jews are complacent enough. But the reader is entitled to understand
and learn things; not only to be fed propaganda.

Hoffman’s intentions are good, but his knowledge is limited. He attempts to refute R. Shmuley
Boteach’s apologetic article in Jerusalem Post (he quotes it in full -- all three pages of the
newspaper text) about whether a Jew should rescue a gentile on the Sabbath. Israel Shahak wrote
in his book that there is a rabbinic prohibition of such rescue if Sabbath observance will be broken
in the process. Shahak wrote of an observant Jew who would not allow him to use his phone to call
for an ambulance for a sick non-Jew. Boteach, a slick and tricky media-rabbi, denied it on many
occasions and called Shahak a liar. Hoffman says that Christians (and not only “a pagan defiler of
faith”, not only “Romans with their vicious persecutions”, as argued by the Talmidic apologist) are
not considered equal to Jews. This is true; but it does not answer the question.

This is not to say that Hoffman’s research is completely valueless. He neatly unravels the question
of the death penalty for a gentile who studies the Law according to R. Johanan, contradicted with
praise of the gentile who studies the Law according to R. Meir and correctly quotes the
harmonizing rule: a gentile is praiseworthy if he studies the Noahide laws and he is liable if he
crosses the line. But this small and entertaining observation is diluted by so many abusive epithets:
“intellectually dishonest nonsense”, “decoy”, “apologists”.

Hoffman correctly argues against “hate laws”, against submission of the Church to Jewish wishes.
He is right when he preaches against the anti-gentile propaganda of eternal gentile hatred towards
Jews. Indeed, I agree with Hoffman that this notorious hatred, so-called “antisemitism” is but an
invention created by Jewish leaders in order to keep their subjects obedient. “The Rabbis repeat to
generations of Judaic children that the world hates them and that true Christians seek to silence
and murder them. This brilliant rabbinic ploy” should be countered, Hoffman says. He objects to
persecution of Jews, as such violent persecution like that by Hitler reinforces this ploy.

His treatment of mention of Christ in the Talmud is quite reasonable, though not new. Indeed,
Talmud – and other Judaic books – contain anti-Christian passages, and this is universally known.
Hoffman’s polemics with certain Catholic and Anglican churchmen who apologize for the Talmud
is expectedly robust and justified.

Hoffman’s book is not a pleasant or easy read, but it is not without its rewards. Today, in the
aftermath of financial collapse, it is interesting to learn that the architect of the collapse Alan
Greenspan swore his oath of Federal office on a Talmud in front of Ayn Rand, the Satanist. There
is the interesting story of the late William F. Buckley, his creation of a “kosher conservative
movement” and his rejection of Zionist-critic Joe Sobran, taken from the Wanderer newspaper of
St Paul, Minnesota. Hoffman tells of book-burning by the Jewish authorities, including the

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Mendelssohn translation of the Bible into German, and the satiric books by Jewish heretic writers
as late as 19th century, and of other Jewish ‘disrespectful’ books in 2002.

It's a pity Hoffman can’t write politely. Mark Twain in his " Tennessee Journalism" provided an
example of the style of writing Hoffman seems to have chosen to follow: "While he was writing
the first word, the middle, dotting his i's, crossing his t's, and punching his period, he knew he was
concocting a sentence that was saturated with infamy and reeking with falsehood."

For instance, it is well known that Renaissance scholars believed in the wisdom of Hermes
Trismegistus with its alleged Old Egyptian sources. Giordano Bruno belonged to this category.
Hoffman writes that “Bruno parrots the tale… while this lie was twisted” etc. Mark Twain’s
characters admittedly were even ruder, but they rarely were rude to a man who was burned at stake
500 years ago.

P.S. After this review was published, Hoffman published a hysterical and voluminous response
(available on his website), and Shamir wrote the following rejoinder:

Sine Ira

There are a few ways to deal with new books. One of them is to ask a knowledgeable person to
review it. Such a review is not supposed to be the last judgment, but a part of the discourse. I
offered the Culture Wars’ readers my view of Mr Hoffman's book. I am not a judge, not even a
publisher. Everyone may write his own review of the book, favourable or not. I do object to what
appears to me an attempt of intimidation, transparent in Hoffman's, and Hoffman’s fans’ letters.
I was in a difficult position while writing the review. I have had much sympathy to Hoffman's
endeavour, vis. to delve into the Talmud and show it to the reader. I liked the idea of the job being
done by a non-Jew. Hoffman is a staunch supporter of Palestinians, so I was biased in his favour.
But I also felt responsible towards the Culture Wars’ readers. One is warned against misleading,
and that is why I told readers what I actually think about Hoffman's book, warts and all.
Moreover, the commandment "Rebuke your neighbour frankly so you will not share in his guilt"
(Lev 19:17), stands next to "Love your neighbour". Sages love criticism for as long as there is
criticism in the world, pleasantness comes to the world, good and blessing come to the world, and
evil is removed from the world (Tamid 28A).
I was as soft and as polite as I could. I hoped he would be able to learn from my critique. But
Hoffman is not a wise man for it is said: Rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. (Proverbs 9:8)
Mr Hoffman is an ignoramus. He does not know what he writes about. I'll provide you with one
example. Hoffman writes, in his polite way (p.8):
"But Mr. Shamir is lying. This account of Nebuchadnezzar is not found in Judaic folklore…This
account of Nebuchadnezzar is not from the Aggadah, the book of rabbinic folklore, but rather from
the Talmud itself, the source of rabbinic law."
This sentence implies that there is "the Aggadah, the book of rabbinic folklore", on one hand, and
"the Talmud itself, the source of rabbinic law", on the other hand. Now, it is rubbish. The Aggadah
is not a separate book but a layer of Talmud, a part and parcel of Talmudic text. The man who does
not know that should not write books about the Talmud. He should go and study first.
He does not know what "the Hebrew Law" is - he thinks it means the law written in Hebrew.
Actually it is a standard subject name, Mishpat Ivri, see any encyclopaedia.
He has no Hebrew or Aramaic. He can "photographically reproduce", but he can't read, otherwise
he would know there is no "unwittingly" in Sanhedrin 54b. (In the text he reproduces it is a
translator’s gloss).
He claims he provided "original information on the rabbinic root of anti-Black racism, the bigotry,
dissimulation, homicide and anti-Christian and anti-Islamic hatred of Judaism’s intellectual giant
Rabbi Moses Maimonides", but it was well provided by Dr Shahak years ago in his slim book.
Moreover, an Israeli site www.daatemet.co.il contains practically everything Hoffman gathered
minus his vituperation.

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One can continue this list ad infinitum, but I hope it will suffice.
However, we live in relatively free countries, and one may have different views even about
Hoffman.

P.P.S.

SHAMIR’S RESPONSE TO SUTER AND HOFFMAN

I was in a quandary while reviewing Hoffman’s book. Hoffman is a staunch supporter of

Palestinians, so I was biased in his favour. But my first duty was towards the Truth - and towards
the Culture Wars’ readers. One is warned against misleading, and that is why I told readers what I
actually think about Hoffman’s book, namely - it is not an antisemitic book, but this is its main
virtue. Indeed his book did not deserve a review at all, and had none until I injudiciously stepped
on this mine.

It is said (Proverbs 9:8): Rebuke a wise man, and he will love thee. Rebuke not a fool, lest he will
hate thee. Hoffman’s hateful response confirmed the proverb. He stressed many times that I am a
Jew by birth, probably a trump argument in his circles. In addition, a fiery SSPX Catholic, an
Edgar Suter, MD stepped forth as Hoffman’s champion.

Edgar Suter says that Hoffman’s book «reveals to English readers much that has been previously
unknown to us». Suter should rather say that it was previously unknown to HIM, for Hoffman’s
book consists of
(a) things well known and published by many writers before him, or of
(b) things which are unknown because false.
(A) THINGS WELL KNOWN AND PUBLISHED BY MANY WRITERS BEFORE HOFFMAN
Among revelations Suter found in Hoffman’s book, is «that Judaism is not an extension of the
religion of Moses». Bravo! Probably his medicine studies do not cover it but this discovery has
been made one thousand years before Hoffman, as one could read in Michael Jones’s recent book
Revolutionary Jewish Spirit, or indeed in Hyam Maccoby’s Judaism on Trial: Jewish-Christian
Disputations in the Middle Ages.
This discovery had led to the disputations, and in the course of the disputations, all Talmudic
references to Jesus Christ were made open and known. Hoffman claims he made it known: what
rot! It is not that Hoffman discovered what the Talmud says about Christ, but it was done centuries
ago, and repeated hundreds of times.
Hoffman claimed he provided «original information on the rabbinic root of anti-Black racism, the
bigotry, dissimulation, homicide and anti-Christian and anti-Islamic hatred of Judaism’s
intellectual giant Rabbi Moses Maimonides», but it was well provided by Dr Shahak years ago in
his slim book.
Moreover, an Israeli site www.daatemet.co.il [2] contains practically everything Hoffman gathered
minus his vituperation.
(B) AND MUCH OF «WHAT WAS UNKNOWN» TURNS OUT TO BE FALSE AND
MISLEADING.
Is it true that Judaism embraces the doctrine of reincarnation? If it were so, why would the Jews
spend so much effort on keeping dead bodies intact and separated from gentiles’ dead? Why would
they pay heaps of money for a burial place on the Mount of Olives? Jews believe in bodily
resurrection; this is a part of Jewish credo as outlined by Maimonides. The concept of resurrection
is totally opposed to that of reincarnation.
*Is it true that Judaism embraces the cult of Goddess? Not more than it can be said about the
Christians. Indeed this claim was often utilised by Protestants against the Catholic Church.
One can go on and on, but it would be useless. Arguments can be useful if the other side is an
honest man of knowledge and understanding. This is not the case. Hoffman is unsuited to argue
about religion, any religion. Religion is the highest form of human spiritual activity, while
Hoffman’s arguments are sordid.
If Hoffman were to produce Christianity Discovered Dr Suter would learn that Catholics devour
flesh and blood, and are proud of it (they call it Communion), and worship a Goddess (they call

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her Mary).
It is possible to call high figures of Jewish folklore (given in the Talmud) a «lie» as Hoffman and
Suter do, but then, why they do not describe as a ‘lie’ the long age of Methuselah or Jonah
swallowed by a big fish or partition of the Red Sea (given in the Bible)?
NEBUCHADNEZZAR’S PENIS
Let us fathom together the depth of Hoffman’s ignorance.
(a) SHAMIR WROTE: Hoffman is so devoid of a sense of humour that it pains the reader. He
quotes entertaining items of Jewish folklore - that Nebuchadnezzar’s prick extended one hundred
fifty yards long at seeing the last Judean king. For me, it recalls Mae West with her immortal «Is
that a pistol in your pocket or are you just glad to see me?» But Hoffman goes into hysterics and
condemns «the Talmud’s insanely filthy prurience».
(b) HOFFMAN REPLIED: «But Mr. Shamir is lying. This account of Nebuchadnezzar is not
found in Judaic folklore…This account of Nebuchadnezzar is not from the Aggadah, the book of
rabbinic folklore, but rather from the Talmud itself, the source of rabbinic law.»
(c) SHAMIR WROTE: Hoffman implies that there is «the Aggadah, the book of rabbinic
folklore», on one hand, and «the Talmud itself, the source of rabbinic law», on the other hand.
Now, it is rubbish. The Aggadah is not a separate book but a layer of Talmud, a part and parcel of
Talmudic text. The man who does not know that should not write books about the Talmud. He
should go and study first.
(d) HOFFMAN REPLIED: This is simply not true. It’s a lie and an obtuse one at that. The
Mishnah and Gemara (Talmud) are never published together with the Aggadah. _They are separate
books_. The Aggadah may contain portions of the non-legal writings of the Gemara, together with
all sorts of legends from other sources such as the Midrash, but to claim that the Aggadah_ is_ the
Talmud is beneath contempt.
(e) Shamir said: Hoffman’s problem is not only with the Talmud, but with Aristotle as well. I say:
Aggadah IS A PART OF the Talmud; he thinks it means Aggadah IS THE Talmud.

Now, anyone can check who is right: Hoffman or Shamir. Hoffman says that «The Mishnah and
Gemara (Talmud) are never published together with the Aggadah.» Shamir says absolutely
opposite: Aggadah is a part and parcel of Gemara, and thus is published. Talmud is not identical
with Gemara; but consists of Gemara and Mishna.
Dr Med Suter will probably understand the following comparison: Shamir says that muscles are
part and parcel of human body. His opponent says that muscles are never found in a human body
but exist separately. Now would he be interested to read a book on medicine written by this man?
We do not speak about slight misunderstanding. This is not a passing mistake. Hoffman thrice
insisted on his foolishness.
To conclude, I consider Hoffman a humbug, and heartily regret on wasting so much time and effort
on his nonsense while providing free publicity to his ignorant screed.

[2] http://www.daatemet.co.il/

Independent History and Research, 2008

1102 pages, ISBN 978-0-9703784-5-3, no price stated
Review by Israel Shamir

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