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Still weak at solving symmetric systems... Number 2....
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Answer to second is (0,0,00(0,0,00(0,0,00 and (4,4,4)(4,4,4)(4,4,4)
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Question asked for only positive reals.
mietantei conan - 4 years, 12 months ago

Sorry, Then only (4,4,4)(4,4,4)(4,4,4)
@Dinesh Chavan – Whats the proof?
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@Happy Melodies – Something like WLOG a≥b≥c>0a \geq b \geq c > 0a≥b≥c>0. Then a+b≥a+ca+b \geq
a+ca+b≥a+c, yet ab≥bca\sqrt{b} \geq b\sqrt{c}ab≥bc, which implies a+c≥a+ba+c \geq a+ba+c≥a+b
instead, so b=cb = cb=c. Similarly, a=b=ca = b = ca=b=c. And we are done.
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@Happy Melodies – An easy way is to substitute x=a,y=b,z=cx=\sqrt{a},y=\sqrt{b},z=\sqrt{c}x=a,y=b,z=c .

The you get 3 equations. Try to find ab expression involving just one variable. So, we get
x(x−2)(x12−3x11+6x10−14x9+22x8−28x7+37x6−35x5+26x4−21x3+14x2−12x+8)=0x\left( x-
2\right)\left(x^{12}-3x^{11}+6x^{10}-14x^{9}+22x^{8}-28x^{7}+37x^{6}-35x^{5}+26x^{4}-
21x^{3}+14x^{2}-12x+8\right)
=0x(x−2)(x12−3x11+6x10−14x9+22x8−28x7+37x6−35x5+26x4−21x3+14x2−12x+8)=0. . Now this gives
x=2,x=0x=2,x=0x=2,x=0. So, we get a=4,0a=4,0a=4,0. So, leaving 000, we get the desired result
@Dinesh Chavan – right... and how did you prove that the huge polynomial has no positive real roots?
mathh mathh - 4 years, 11 months ago
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Answer to second is (0,0,00(0,0,00(0,0,00 and (4,4,4)(4,4,4)(4,4,4)
Question asked for only positive reals.
mietantei conan - 4 years, 12 months ago
Sorry, Then only (4,4,4)(4,4,4)(4,4,4)
@Dinesh Chavan – Whats the proof?
Happy Melodies - 4 years, 12 months ago

@Happy Melodies – Something like WLOG a≥b≥c>0a \geq b \geq c > 0a≥b≥c>0. Then a+b≥a+ca+b \geq
a+ca+b≥a+c, yet ab≥bca\sqrt{b} \geq b\sqrt{c}ab≥bc, which implies a+c≥a+ba+c \geq a+ba+c≥a+b
instead, so b=cb = cb=c. Similarly, a=b=ca = b = ca=b=c. And we are done.
@Fengyu Seah – I think that's it @Victor Loh did you do that to?
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The you get 3 equations. Try to find ab expression involving just one variable. So, we get
x(x−2)(x12−3x11+6x10−14x9+22x8−28x7+37x6−35x5+26x4−21x3+14x2−12x+8)=0x\left( x-
2\right)\left(x^{12}-3x^{11}+6x^{10}-14x^{9}+22x^{8}-28x^{7}+37x^{6}-35x^{5}+26x^{4}-
21x^{3}+14x^{2}-12x+8\right)
=0x(x−2)(x12−3x11+6x10−14x9+22x8−28x7+37x6−35x5+26x4−21x3+14x2−12x+8)=0. . Now this gives
x=2,x=0x=2,x=0x=2,x=0. So, we get a=4,0a=4,0a=4,0. So, leaving 000, we get the desired result
@Dinesh Chavan – right... and how did you prove that the huge polynomial has no positive real roots?
mathh mathh - 4 years, 11 months ago
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Still weak at solving symmetric systems... Number 2....

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Answer to second is (0,0,00(0,0,00(0,0,00 and (4,4,4)(4,4,4)(4,4,4)

Dinesh Chavan - 4 years, 12 months ago

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Question asked for only positive reals.

mietantei conan - 4 years, 12 months ago

Sorry, Then only (4,4,4)(4,4,4)(4,4,4)

Dinesh Chavan - 4 years, 12 months ago

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@Dinesh Chavan – Whats the proof?

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Fengyu Seah - 4 years, 12 months ago

@Happy Melodies – An easy way is to substitute x=a,y=b,z=cx=\sqrt{a},y=\sqrt{b},z=\sqrt{c}x=a,y=b,z=c .

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@Mathh Mathh – Pure evil.

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@Happy Melodies – There is also a solution with AM-GM i think

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