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Who else would there be besides Grange, Jacobs, McInemey, Allad? There were
three or four others that stood out. There was a major, Bevellequa, and several
others. /
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. Focus on the Global War on Terror - not simply Iraq. The wider war -
long war. Iraq is a battlemund.
. Describe the nature of the threat - vicious, violent extremists; chop off
heads.
Let the public know there will be no terminal event - like the signing
ceremony on the USS MISSOURI. It will be a long war.
Set out the next benchmarks. We pointed to the January (2005) elections,
the constitution, the December (2005) election, and the formation of the
new government. Now we can look forward to the announcement of the
new cabinet, and continued transfer of responsibility to the Iraqi Security
Forces.
Describe the "dire consequences" if we toss in the towel. Explain what the
world would look like.
Link Iraa to Iran. Iran is the concern. If we fail in Iraq or Afghanistan, it
will help Iran.
"We fight there so we won't have to fight here at home."
. Go on the offense. Push back, rather than simply defending. We can't win
on defense.
We are at war. It is a test of wills. The center of gravity is in the US., not
in Iraq. Perseverance = Victory.
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with g~ that conflict with the Stm A& ofsouthernand central ims
be & essentialingredient to keeping haqmgHher. If Ac US.loses his leadershipin the comine year; *Ã
W i l d implode.
learns at U.S. tactical batttlim lev~to&&n the flmction of "evidentiary pckcgea"u weU u accompanying
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SUBJECT: Letter from AlanHowell Parrot
Donald Rumfeld
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Please talm a look at fileattachedletter sent to me by a military d y i t , and tell
me what you think of i t
Thanks.
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IF invited,I ' ~ ti lie this by"introducii the DOD to a whole new world of soft.
low-intensitycontent and communicationmalysu.
There is an clement of delusional religiousityin -awl's letter, most apparent in the bcginniw
of his letter. ~e is usina 'rclioid as a safctv mechanism,to cover his w h e M a aerial killer.
BIIIeven this demeanorfades~way as he advances deep& into a pychotic episode ofrentaig
against his adversaries. We saw the same features in Saddam Hussein during the first Gulf War.
when he publicly announced Out he is descended from the Muslim prophet Mohammed.
II is notable that in this letter, ??.qaw?s emotions are not consistent from beginning to end.
Zmqrnwi is easilyinfluenced by cxlenia)circumstances that are everts', cwble of
~tflrtiriad o n t i , emotionally-driven 'brush-fires'. A fanatically 'retctivc'w h o t i c who is in
the business of responding to external stimuli, ofieo mates titanic mi&&, sod Qrns ~ W U
compelled to problem-solve with overwhelming,brute force.
H n d l e n for OmÇt-Cantnd-
ThereforZarqawi (BCS religion(fa. control of God)and as strategic tools10 delay hil fltfe,
6at will inevitablybe caused by eoOTiieswithiin his oiguuzation,if not by te US.-kd oodldo^
Port-TmomiticStrew b Toxic, and EffectivelyKJ& An O r f f a a h :
S i i l y , Nfccolo MBchillL Adolpt Hitler lid Y- An&t ¥m ¥IindivKJuri.uBtebg
firon fragmented egos, who nevertheless continued public careen us functions]peyohotica.
Zarqawi belongs to the same club, but his M-life is over. The average lif- o f 10 overtly
active. public Mafia Don is about five years,and even Zaiqawi may be acutely aware flirt
be it
approaching payback time 5 ligbtnmg ¥peed This is also wise for aoibiçntreumntK strw.
which serves to shortenhis functional o .
Zarotwi suffers from severe onaoilm trumitic stress. Unable to ~ r o c w aiafonnitioB overiad,
view o f all &pk, beyond his immediatecircle of S-Mwlims. A pcreoo who u,W toxic,
cannot sleep and can't make lucidjudgro~~ta.Symptixni nuuufrit inhuextremelytoxic uulyris
ofthe Shiite. the Kurds.md othw, 7 q a w l is ab-e*d\overwhelmedby his own pnchosi*.
Note: aatea, "America will not leave (Iraq)no rootlet how numerous it'^ wounds
become and how much o f i f s blood it spilled". ITlia contradicts Zrqawi'a otriier pitton, hi
the American public wilt not countenance tuzh mortality -a US. troops. Previously, t h -
uttuig of Americans- a terror-tactk:,dçigne to ca&e a I&exodusif ~niericaos. Today,
U.S. troops an; viewed os currency for trading purposes, to secure the freedom of defined
terrorists. This means that PresidentBuih's edict thai"the U.S. will not backdown"b woriccd.
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Zargawi admits here thai his tactics have changed, once again under duress, due to US.resolve.
Zaruwi is correct to c h a r a c t e r i z e t h e m imDatient tv bm4.&i~hm
His final paraeraoh isan asceodnut
dam-mate Iraq. at the expense of Kurds and s k i ~klims.
niter'smandJO^.couch^inttKsycophanticlanguageofanindi-otiiredservant.
Summary:
TherewenattyoutrighthistoricdistortionsandevidentnuccorsciesinmwTiteUw. Hil
disolxyfidcontempt for Shirtc Muslims exceeds his aaituzwa for& A whom he b e l k
to be two-dimensionaland of momentmy concern. ie. ~usiinu¥r the looa-tenn enemy,
i they çr held in contempt by all o f leaden. We- ÇnÈtv resolutely minuin
this difcnrd between Shi ie and S m i precludes wilt* collabontion, but the Koran c k d y
instructs Muslim enemtex to collaborate as allies, when thcv are lucked hv the tafir mfidds
i i . KOTOTC precepts mandate,in principle, that lisa accommodate UBL andal-Qaeda's leaders,
as a means for defeating western infidels and Christian/Jewishinvdcrs.
The Union for the Conservation of Raptors
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confrontational u exclamationpoinls.
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 W y ? This ihouts thd Zmahm is obliged to protect Sliiitc M u s h Tlui new pol*
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it untenable to al-Qaeda's leadership ... unless at-Zawahiri is guest,prisoner, or beneficHoyof
Iranian hospitality. Tlus paragraph supportsu.c.R's Iraniui sighting ofUBL lastNovember.
b p h s inthis letter, &ch& preceded by le& & numbers, signify i distinct chmge of
topic. BUI these five paragraphs are unusual,in *at they are all talking about the BODC subject.
Here,thelettersarenotusedtodenoteach-oftopic-rather,theyareusedto~lusizethe
samepolm (i.e.the S u d "collision" whh Shiii apostotca),like a fist banging on the Wfi
Somebodyha-i convinced Zawhirito protect die hated SbiiteMuslins- Is it theIranian Shi'ç /
Rdtttvc Silkri.g 0fRri-thf;
Reltiveto this. consider bow Zawatriri complainsabout his favorite wife,hk SOIL hu daaditer,
and three fanuliefsuffering from war. Yet then is no thought for the suffering of 100 pffaonerB.
Is dlls because al4aoda's 100 prisows in Iran, are not suffering at all, became ihey are guests
of Ahmcdiniyd?
CkJuly 31.2(1021~uaguestdtheSllldlFoic~MillinerPrinceSud¥l-i'BiddhkJeddd
palace. Thenext~heflewtoImtoreceivetwoal<çedatenoriiteb^mIr~~
and to escort them to Saudi Arabia, ifiIt's DO secret thai Iran holds saiioraKteeda ternmas.
The Union for the Conservation of Raptors
B.PoI*ttitbeHot:
~arqawistates~raq,"hasnotmotnnainsinwhichwecantakerefugeandnofonartsinwbow
thicketswe can hide." But Zawahiri and UBL have found a third venue for hiding:the sovereign
staleofIran,whose borders- to be inipeoelrabte totheUS.-ledooalitioo-
MlwxUBneo~P o i B
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with a manual carriage return-"F+ both confiscated documents'- translated &lo ~nglish
and distniuted from the same computer. These two documents can be at
WJM.eIoha1- md
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 Winter ZWInOUZ: the UAEDqmy nine MillimTShukb SliçÃbit -4, a vthutlt U.CK
resource, revealedThai ban banned hunmg of Houbari by UAE taJconcn. Iran's state-sanctioned
policy is establishedso that UBL can hunt without enemy interference and interdiction;
 Febnury 06,2002: the ChristianSci- Monitor reports the UBL'i cook clumi ttm UBL E d
m Iran. The cook describes L'BI hunting *quail", while whcr"quri1 were brought ID by rotd
from Iran" Hen nm talking about qail He is talkmg about Houbux. (oticle eoclcaed. below)
November. 2004: UBL sigh% near Mashad, h by U.C.R rtafF. The detub were reportedto
Minor Oenftnl Paul Vallelv on Jiimurv31.2005. The FBI interviewed U.CR on SCBtembCT 02:k.C'
 Novembert2004: UBL sighting south oflhe Caspian, by Ken T i ' s source.This wfa an
independentsighting, unknown to both U.C.R. and General Vdkly, until Paul met Kon inNYC
on June 13, 2005. Timmmm met the FBI and abo reported the sighting details in his book,
p u n t d m To
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If Zawahiri's letter is a topographical map, then the density of question marks in one paragraph
may be viewed as a mountain refuge. They represent an anomaly in the topography of Zawahil's
communication.
that he stop the kijlinc of Shiite ~uslims.This is liketellineafemtto leave the chickens alone.'
So many questions in one paragraph, represent indirect communication: Zawahiri is afraid.
Zawahiri feels the ominous weight of responsibility, as he hanunere his point home. Vey likely.
he expects the killing of Shi'a will continue, if not by Zarqawi, then by his f o l k . This deep
forreaches to the subconsciousmind. Zawahii i s xfrud that Zarqawi will ignore him, and he i s
afraid of what he will do. i.c. Theconsea-
shall work to the detrimentofZawahiri & Iran.
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ofZanrwi's o m k secTarum violence in haa.
In this critical panyrarii.Zawthiri aka confirms fte Koran's inaBdoc that Minlim enaniec
collaborate is friends, when attacked by ktffir infidels. Ho stetel,,'%& w and the Imdaoflneed
to refrain from banningeach other at This time in which the Amtreans are targeting us."
There is enough nuteriaL independently &td, to awai our claim that UBL resides iu
Iran. And U.CR has developed a tactid strategy t hereby he will be compelled to look for u ~ ,
rather dm the opposite. It is my hope that dl ofua together, stull have the opportuiuty t
o w
develop this project
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April 25,2006
MEMORANDUM FOR: COLONEL MIKE MCESE
DEPARTMENT HEAD. DEPARTMENT Of SOCIAL SCIENCES
UNITED STATESMILITARY ACADEMY
COLONEL CINDY JEBB
DEPUTY DEPARTMENTHEAD.DEPARTMENTW SOCIAL SCIENCES
UNITED STATESMILITARY ACADEMY
I.SOURCES- IRAQ:
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creating an effectiveIraqi A m y and Police, mubafbed and a sense ofhumor. Nl oftime Boldios,NXh
and young officerswere volunteerstor combat- Many their fecood combatlour- ¥cvcrawereon liw ihtrf a
fourth cnmbal tour. Mmv tadmalisted to fv with their unit on itsreturoto a wcond InqdcploYinoa. May
ttic populttion safeinthe ~bscnccof~raqi power. I" addition,the shin werei^nnndeddm Iran ii B Persianpower
with gmIÃ that conflict with ibe Shtt Arabs ofaoutfacni and -1 Iraq
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5. SUMMARY:
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forei* policy in Qic vital Oulf Oil Rwon. US.puteo opmionm y be- U K n w i idi^MW W hi?'- h
my sacri&x ontbeo-bdi^(huge pen^hges ofboth the Shb and Sumii p o p u l ~ t k H U ~ e v thAtheflCo^i&
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f - ~ t h e ~ m ~ ~ I t o d ~ ~ ~ ~ b h t & v. ~ - ~
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UNDPR SECRETARY OF DEFENSE FOR POLICY
I MEMORANDUM rod- COLONELMIKE MEESE
DEPARTMENT HEAD.DEPARTMENT OF SOCIAL SCEBNCKS
UNITED STATES MILITARY ACADEMY
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swes - none ofwhich have provided si&ficant economic o r p o l i i assistance.
h o r . i n ~ " i ~ , ~ ~ e , T e t eW
-pim ~ e w~ ~ , ~ ~ .
twnrayt.~~~dM~~ite~ftifc^hM.wiiicanatiwalAniiy.~theAr~tpo^m~f~to
nation, and fa optimirtic that Ihdr life can be better in the coiningy-. Unlike ihe BtltanÈÑdfraqia wmt thià to
wmk TbeboinbingofibcSiuiiaireMosque~hcountiytotheedgeofaU-oolw. H-,ibcIraqiAnny-
&doo<crack,theoK>detçteiluld,Siscuicdtodforrennunt,theSmn^gotmchillofft^wcingwbtdd~
them~amiDontypopcladon,sadthe~oalioon~orce*çud(teth'were*ccocorrccayaanvitalforecttMtcouldkç~
the tion on mfc in the abscnoBofIraqi power. Inaddition, the Shin werereminded that Iran is a Pmimpower
4 t h ~oal*that conflict with the Shr Arabs 0fBouther-a and central Iraq.
very hkcv toprevent ibe teli'destniction of on h l l i a n i and effective U S Am- ^hnxyKhablzu) Çn
k the essential mgzdieni 10 kcepmg Iraq t o e I t the U S low hit IeadCTib m the coiainc yew, (fan d m #
could imptodi;
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w survive in this war aonc. However, (belactealrule* ofengagement will need c o m b a t a k i w IO amimh
appropriatebalance.
4<i not think,(hey cm handle politi&liyor militarily terrorist threat nested in dÈi domtttk Shia population*.
5. SUMMARY:
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far aafer today than we were m the I8 month* foUow@ the initial -on.
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United State* MilitaryAcademy
West Point. New York
UNDER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE FOR POLICY
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MEMO FOR S>?c.<'<srw1-7 -A^ diCT^yficf-
February 26,2007
1 PURPOSE" This memo provides feedback on ttraiwc and -ioiuilassesunetRr>f securiiy or^miMs if
both Afahanii'm and Pakistan in sinport of US Centra) Commard Be @ad 10 provide Faculty
Seminar (LidCadel Cla-y,AAR o" Ihl; n-porl dumg this Smesier or ai >our convenience
2. SOURCES:
A. AfebmJitJi*:
1.) USAinbM>adçrRo N à § a u w DCM Ricbird& Norhd: Lunch/two hour diacwion.
5.) MG Dave Rodriguez CG RC-EAST. (JTF-76) (CG 8ZdAbn Div): OfficeCaHand Btttttc Siaff
Briefings.
l.)DR Zainxy Rauoul, Afghan Director ofNationai Security Cooidl(and StaB): Vis'W3riefines
8.) CG KMTC Tnimfatf Center: BGAmin Wxrdik. EX Doug Pritt.CG Talk FOKC
Pbwix:
VisiIBrieflngs Kabul Mil* Ihiining Center-KMTC.
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3. GENERAL:
The War i n Afghanistan has been shamefully under-resourcedby DODthnxighouttheentire interven6min terms
ofinier-agencyinvolvement, US combat forces.political will, and ntion-building resources.
. Phoenix.
We expect the arrival this year ofthousandsofnew rniiiiary and civilian penonnet for AMP Potict Ref-
Menloring.
and
We have the begimingsof aserious drugeradication effort spuncd by Slate Dept 1 N l and reluctantlysupported
initially by DOD.
JTF-76now has onadditional US combat brigade (the courageous d d k ofthe 10* ~ountainDivision whose
I minute extensiongaveus theneededimmediate edge of combat power).
 The assumptionof command of ISAF by US Genera! Dan McNell, and the transferofftill b 5 t k res&T'dbflilYfor
the AORto NATO is a huge boost t o our capabilities.
 Finally, US Air Force, Navy, and Army Air Power have kept us afloat for the last year ofbitter fighting.
Rhetoricand political will cannot achieveour goals. Afghanistan needs strongus inter-agencyand
Congressionalsupport 10 providethe dollars, equipment, combat soldiers,ANA and AMPmentors, andvigorousNATO
and Afghan leadershiptopull this mission from the fire.
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policeis currently grossly u&-resourced w i t h 7 6 US trainers(500Lk Police). In iraq we have 7000 US poltie
traiwre working on the Iraqi Police. In Kosovo we had 5000 police mentors for 6500 K m o Police.
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We have no real graspof what actual ANP presence exists 1the 355 Dinria level opemloni We have trained
60,000 Afghan polo-bm we have no idea vihm they are We do know thai 50% more Affhan police were K:A lut
year than ANA soldiers. PmoaDl) there are nm-mifonned, untrained, and lqe+ criminal elements in m q of the
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DismciCapiiaH Therearc no real pis- or prosecutors -or JUNK'S or squad ctfs- l k 3 4 Pro, ncial level c a r i d s
actually do hsiea uniformed Policepcwcc with a function ngconnectionto national Policecommandauthority.'nie
A N me^ areassiii~i as ~ a b u i in&deauaie, but f i l i ~ ~ ~ n i rm
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Thetask ofcreating82.000 Afghan mlicemen(currently anotional62.000 force) is a ten yearjob that wemust
fidiy resource. We arenow imtiahng aPolice Reform Pmg~amwhich includes assessingthe15,000 officersofthe ANT -.
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and firing halfofthan. Without effective police there cannot begovernance. Without effective police therecannot
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be sccun'ty and countcr.imrgmcy. Withwi ~ f f e c t i v e p d i ~ there will benoeconomic reconstruction. The Germans
had the lead on this effort. They have done an Inadequatejob. he German program consists ofa few senior German
police mentors(40+) ofenormous professionalismbut few resources.
The ANA is much belter postured. They have pride, embeddedUS trainers, a faonio?ingchaiwf-coninand,a
i c r b c o m b a t leader rGen Bismullah~ a h asCHoDt.
n and n i d i m e m muiomcnt Thev will fight. Thev art in good
The ANA has for all practicalpuiposc noair power-neither helicopternor fixed wing. We should i n my view
h a five year program to equip them with 100+ Blackhawks (some equippedas gun ships), 25+ Chinooks.and two
dozen C130's/AC130's.
They haveno high speed, wheeled, light annor. (They should have three battalionsofswkercombat vehicles.)
They have junk small amis and should beequipped with US Army modern automatic weapons, They lack body annor.
They lackdeployable,modem mortarsand light artillery. (This has beentheabsolutekey to keepingUS A m y combat
unitsalie along the eastern frontier.)
5. NATO:
NATO presencein Afghanistan and their m o t responsibilityfor all ofthe national AOR isapolitical and
security triumph. (37nations and 36,000amps.-15.000 US) The brave C d a n s havedonewell in veiystiffcombat i n
KhandaharProvince. (We need to get their battalions10 the NTC or JRTC for pre-deploymenttraining). TheBrit'sareas
usual superband well equippedfighters. The Dutch have left the security of Kabul and are operating in Omzgan
Province. Some other Coalition elements have done excellent servic-.~. the FrenchS w i a l Forces Company,
Portuguese infantry Company, etc The US should he enormously gratefuilthal NATO Icg~imacybacks our national
strategy.
The gnqiest value ofNATO istheir Command and Control presence- the 1SAF Headquarters. Inmy view, i t is
essentialthat the US retain the Commanderposition.The US will continue to provide the bulk of theuseful ground
comb6 power, air power, economicreconstruction,and trainers forthe ANA and ANP. There i s long NATO tradition of
allowing the US 10 retain command where we provideessmml m u m .
6. PAKISTAN:
ThePakistanis arc i n avery difficult political and military situalion. Their domestkrepmat).m asan Anny for
professionalismnod valor isall that holdstogether the four nationsofPakistan under one weakstate. They have never
conirolied the FATA areas. The 80 000 m p s t h e v put into the FATA havesufferedhundred*! o f killed and wounded.
They arestill there. They have never controlJedBaluchistanoutsideofthe urban areas without concentratedmilitary
force. They are a poor countty with a very effective Amy- (Partially our military responsibility. We (to support than
with $100 million amonth. However, we need K> ~ ~ o v i d e t hsupport
e iwded to actuallycontrol their borders and the
chaos oftheir frontier regions).
I n my view, the Pakistanisare NOT actively supportingthe Taliban-nor do they have a strategic purpose 10 de-
stabilize Afghanistan. There is a history of support forthe Talibanamong the Pakistani Anny. The Talibanare inmany
-neither Afghans norpakistanis~theyarcpashluns wearingBlacktutbans and baggy p a n w i t h AK47'sand
with an aversion to foreigners (US or Pakistani Amy). 27 million Pashim live on both sides ofthe borderÑ6 Ink-
Ern i n desecrate novertv. 19% 1iternp.v thmr miilinn are Afphan refiiown;in PBhittan livino ripht a l w the fronlier. The
I X i r a n ~ i L d o enot
s existas a recognized poliiicai division the vi&ofihe many m i which dominatethe frontier
regions
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them as a u&hg and siabillzina force i n the re&. '
The people trust and admire the A m y morethan any other institution. The IS1 is also essentially an extension of
the Anny. Some ofthcnaiional t w i n e s elitearc from the Amy. The political parties have been ineffectiveor
dm-,- (ncrsonalilv not oolicv hated.-unt. ex-= and incomoetent'l. Politics i n Pakistan until MusharafFhas
beenaboutpolitical famiiies and their st&= for power
The US will miss our brilliant US Ambassador Ryan Crockerduringthecomingcrucial24 months. Wemust
mtinue to strongly support democraticreform- bur not to forget the vital US national objectives at stake in Pakistanin
the immediate future.
The most important single factor i n Afghmistan-without whichnothing else is possible- isthe reality oftha
i s courage, aegressiveness, discipline, and flexibility ofUS combat forces. No one inside the Washington
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Beltway actually understandsthe gravity ofthis findine. I t is assumedto he what happenswhen you reach for themilitary
tool. This is no accident. It is a timcnon of NCO and offer leadership-and the decade long exposure to combat find
stability operations of the Joint Forces team in the Balkans, Desert Siorm, Iraq IL Afghanistan, and the many other
thcmers i n which US air, sea, and land power operate.
These troops arc the ben corn% force we haw- fielded They >reptiyÈicttll findmentally tough Their
OPSEC is unhelievable(oneoflhonuior historicalwealL?essw ofthe USAmv) Mmy arcnow on their thidor evro
fourthcwn'Mi tour They know their businesscold They kmow mihother from r e p e a deployments mthc sameunits.
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They have solved the h i n t i m m ~ b i i i t pmblcim
y with air -.artillcry, and logidca at a fctied level. The
mmanders ere incrediblyexperiencedat company, battalion, and brigade. The-1s pup together in combat and
trust each other. (Thecurrent AfghandeployedUS Army force is the paratrooper-light irrfanirycult. They are self-
actttfliizinc).
The Joint Force fhnriamentalcombat skill* areawesome, 1don't iMnk they understandhow @ thev are. 'nie
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primary reason that US casualties number in the hundredskilled and maimed insteado f thethouwnds is the -
i s tactical skill ofthese battle farces. The can cmpioyali elements of combat p o w in asvneraistic manner. The
enormouslyresponsive and massively shaky logisticssystem actually works that operates thni the P o n d Karachi and
with the dedicatedsupport of US conuactots.
This is the worst flying weatherand environment on the face ofthe earth Air power is the key t o l a c r i d success
i" #,isopmid miment,
These SOCOM forces ore very difficult to rccmit, train, and ~fximiziefor a given operational area. We need to
signifiamly expand ,he strategic tool The SOCOM arpower elements aie incred bb costly to c-cate and i n lk
developmem01 Special Forcessround -O an:similar 10 the i me and m t o f a p r o p m to develop high
We need to lake a revolutionary look at the methods ofcreating lhex ¥Tie One" forces It will require a
tcparalciy funrid ret~ii~ingprofyam similir to W w i l OSS programs 10 identify colle~e~raduMes,with superb¥hkO
skills. ttho will volunteer foi a 24 month minine mmam do include to& urmers-on languaflc ~ t ' t i n f Ii D Arabic 01
The central key to winning the war in AfghanisIan iseconomicreconstruction and employment. This requires
roadsto each Provincial capital, roads to eachDistrict capital, cross-bordereconomictransportation reads and rail,
electrical power, clean water, asimple but workable educationd system, arudimentaryhealth caresystem (preventive
health and healtheducation), and agriculturalreform.
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The current y<wm nu been badly organized. marked by US governmental turf battles, btlly fewurced, and has
poor o v e r a l l . Thcalliwprovide iradequaic help (The Saudis& Japanese are anexception). Theindimand Iranian
help is virued B iftnicwc threat miherthan an incorpomieilvalue added We do rwt exploit for 10 purposeithe
effwivenoti thai we have compleieil (Totalo f $;.Y* b i . i m of LS ~ r m Engineer
y work-44 50 billion total work).
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Fortunately help is a.the way I f Congressacts -we should see $10 6 billion in economic and inilino aid
approvedfor the Afghans h he LU has pledged $780 million in aid for ~fghanistaiover the nnct four ycara.) We m u
ltwc ihe '"fcxpediiionar>"mmdwi Reconstr.iclionin this destroyedmion i s gong totake25 ycan. We should
c~iitol'tdmea'. reconstructonactivity (Stale. DOD. USAIO. PRT) mdcr a US Army h i y n w MajorCcwai Wth u>
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of mnnnous sen'siiivinÑbi only the Army Enmw Corps can
adeaiiale staff and c u m o r s u m r . Tins i s a urfiçii
marshal the managementexper& to wort in a dangerous security environment such as Afghanistan
A m b i d o r Ann Pirerwn at State Depumior is trying valiantly toorganize our@vmmcnal effort wrth
suppon from a h c i departments We nave a roperb lMI Director m the ground m Afehanj~ian
A iI , e m s 1 There i s a b u n o n sized ~ f g h a n
EmdtcauoqF O ~ Wwh ch operate? with rudtroentft~quipnit Iu
n . "-t."&t frequenlfireanJ with w"i,r"!n&casJm"C,
my view, we must
1 the counter-drug effortas a key to achievingstablegovernment in Afghanistan.
This should he a 10,000 man ANT program -supported by a S250million INL program-with an in-country presenceof
200t DEA awn- with primary mining and operationalresponsibilityfor all law enforcement operations.
If w do notgete seriousand sustaihed effort on counter-drug-in my view we will Ail to achieve our
objectives in Afghansi !;
11. SUMMARY!
The Afghan economy is boominaat 12% lonwlh rate a "ear. $14 billion has been scent CM) aid since 2001. Six
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Adjunci Professorof international Affairs
USMA, West PomNY
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P r i s o n e r h r d Abuse
9 Most abuse is either towardU.S.military personnel andlor between prisoners
9 U S . military guards are regularly threatened by prisoners
> Some analysts statedthere may havebeen past abuses at Gitmo but not now
Prisoner Interrogations
> Interrogatorsare building relationshipswithprisoners;not torturing them
> We are stiU gainingvaluable information from prisoners
9 Interrogationsare veryprofessionallyrun
Quality ofPrisoner Care
> Soldiers go out of their way to accommod& Islamicpractices by providing
prayer rugs, Korans and directional arrows pointing toward Mecca
9 Dietary needs ofprisoners are taken into considerationand medicalcare if
provided
riasin* cisma
9 ~ i m exceeds
o Geneva Convectionrequirements
9 \\e should not close this facility and let dangerout terrorists out
Analyst I- e e d b d
9 Analms tell cnbcm of DoD is unfairand misguided
> Doll shou d have been more open about G i sooner
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9 Aralvst l o x is"~ongoverdue" and there is "nothing 10beashamed of"
> Tclmsion media has outdated images of Ginno (1 e showed a rundown facility)
General Monteornew M*
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Public Affairs Research and Analysis
9 Spoke of the numerous changes at G i m . For example, building rapport with
prisoners,the high quality of food and facility improvements in comparison lo
past conditions.
PrinUOnline;
Visit offers e l i m ~ s into
e Guantamamq
(Ch'N corn; online CNN article by General Donald Shepperd) - July 1
b Criticism of DoD is unfair and misjudged. Gitmo replicates militaryjustice
systems (i.e. military tribunals)and is modeled after U.S. prisons. "Certainly no
gulag "
3 Military commissionsare going onright now. US. guards are angry thu Gimo
is being portrayed IQ a negative fashion in the media. Early abuses have been
"cleaned-un "
If -I Jack Jacob
(MSNBC interview- June 26; not available)
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Public Affairs Research and Analysis
6/26/20(159:35:56AM
9 He did not get any sense of abusetaking place. Staled thai the DoD needs to be
more mactive about its Gitmo PR efforts. Valuable and actionable intellieence
is stilfbeii collected
6/26/2005 10:38:56AM
> DoD has been very accommodatingto Islamic practicesat the Gitmo facilities
(is. prayer rugs, ritually slaughtered meat, etc.) and conditions are changing for
thc k t e r ,
c%%S Il:4?4, AM
9 Observed "relationship building" between the detainees and guards and discussed
the high quality of the Gitmo facilities.
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6/29/2005 3:32:44F'hi
9 Mentions there may have been abuse in the past but not now. Discussed the high
quality of the facility and the fact that there is sdll new i n f o d o n being
gathered. I
Colo~elGordon C u a l h
(Articles: TTieWalton Reponer -New York, Democracy Project;The Right Approach
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Ridfa: WABC New York City, Demk Prtgcr - Loa Angela, KKLA Los Angeles. -
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KABB Los Angeles, Greg Allen - Tampa, WMET - Washington, D.C.KFI - Los
Angeles, KTFK - S t Louis, Liberty Broadcasting -Nationally Syndicated, True North
Radio - Waterbury (VT), Greg Alien Show - Tampa- Not Available)
What I Saw at G i i
(FroatPageMagazine.com;GordonCucullu) - June 27
'r Observed inteiroeations and commented on the oualitv ofmedical care. He also
pointed out that the Korans handed out all have pro&ve cases
'r Iliscitssed die morale of prison guards despite public dtici'cn of how the Gitmo
facility is run. Continue to build relationships with prisonerstogain Actionable
miclli~encc.The campconcinucito serve its pufpow.
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Fox News* Dayside with Linda Vester
6/29/2005 1-4206PM
'r Dangerous detainees regularly threaten guards and interrogations are necessary in
order to gain continued intelligence.
PrinWOnline
Model Gitmo: Very fir a m from anvthioe Amnentv claims*
^National Review:.Dana Dillmi-
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'r Detainees arc treated humanely and just. The Pentagon is holding U.S personnel
who have previously mistreated prisonersaccouinable. The detention operations
1 G~moplaya "vital ivk"in the war on terror.
Frim/Online
Cornmentaw & News Brief*
(Agape Press; Compiled by Jody Brown quoting Robert Maginnis on Gitmo) -June 27
P Observed the interrogationpmm and was impressed with the level of
professionalism at the camp. New intelligence is surfacing all the time.
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Luncheon Discussion and Questions with SecretaryRumsfeld
General Pace will discuss progress m the global war on tenor (broadstrokes with the
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After a brief break, you will join the group for lunch and open the floor to questions:
FRANK CARUICCI
Co-authored a letter about Turkey on the right pa&" to the Washington Times on Oct. 4
Relevant Sections: As a Turk and an American. we join in seeking to straightenout the record
in the face of Frank Gaffoey's gratuitous and mischi&ous diatnbeagainst 'i'urkey (" 'No' to
Islamist Turkey," Commentary, SepL 27). ..,
Turkey repeatedlyhas been a tarcet of "lslamofascist" terrorism in the past few Years. To
suggestthatit wouid knowingly tolerate "green"capital to fand this same terrorism is an
accusation that falls of its own weight. ...
* The state-controlled imam hatip schools were undersubscribedthis year because of changes
in the law that made it harder for graduates of those schools to continue to higher education.
* There is no way to tun a secular courtin Turkey into an instrument of "Shari'a" law any
more than it is possible for U S . courts to subvert the separationof church and state. Both
would need a constitutional change that is not being contemplated anywhere.
The Turkish media has never been as free as it is today. Turkey is (me of the very few
democracies in the Middle East.
Prime Minister R e c q Tayyip Erdogan is not pushing the media into anti-Americanism. ...
WILLIAM COHEN
CNN, THE SITUATION ROOM 4:00 PM EST
Host: WolfBBtzer
December 5,2005 Monday
But docs the defense secretary have it right? Is the situation in Iraq much better than it would
seem?
Joining us now, our world affairs analyst, the former Defense Secretary himself Willlam
Cohen. He's chairman of CEO of the Cohcn Group here in Washington.
11 1 think what Secretary Rumsfeld was saying is the old adage, if it bleeds, it leads. And that's
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SO~Cthingthat d i a will focus upon, that is, the the violent mgcdxsa d aRlictiona of
casualties upon the - American military.
1 On the other hand,then!tie some positive things taking place. And that is, Iraqi6 going to the
POIISonce again. They have mfimed their constitution, mitied it as such. And, SO, there arc
somepro&s -the& is progress being made.
But I think what any secretary likes to see. esuccially at a time of war, is lhç you gat a molt
complete picture, ;hich you kcessanly dm'i on a day-today basis. But,overall, 1thmk
what he's is asking for i s a link more perspective,a wider perspective But you cant discount
the fact that we re fiehnnc and d v n e on a daily basis. And that's something that's going to
continue to be in th;news, what&; the criticisms directed toward the media
COHEN: Well, th&'s some element to that. But, on the other hand...
BLITZER: Did you used to do that when you were defense secretary?
(LAUGHTER)
I But, during the Kosovo campaign, we had the -the same kind of criticism. What's happening?
Why aren't you progressing more rapidly? It's been going on 30 days, 40 days, 50 days. Where
is the victory in sieht? And. so. we had to contend with that as well And 1 think it's a normal
B u t again, you're not going to cut offthe stories about those violent images of tanks being
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blown up and kids being killed and dismembered. So, it's it's going to be with us. And I think
what Secretary Rumsfeld is trying to get, a little more perspective, but it's going to be hard to
come by.
BLFTZER:How difficult of a mission does Condoleezza Rice. the secretary of state, have in
Europe right now,dealing with this war on terror?
She's trying to establish better relations between the United States and Germany, with building
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a better support anchor with NATO to help us out in Iraq and elsewhere. And the the the
questions whether or not there have been renditions is going to continue to -to drag alongside
beside her.
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What she has tried to put that to to aside. I think it's going be difficult, because, number
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one, we still have the Abu Ghraib scandal hanging over this issue, so and we still have the
White House refiising Senator McCain's legislation. And, so,that makes it much more difficult
for her.
But she has tried to - to deal with this as - a s straizhtforwd as she can. rccomiziw(hat she
or
cad1 really single out which countriesare helping which countries are not, because then it
becomes a question for their local constituency. Are you helping the United States? Arc you
not helping the United States? Very difficult for her to do that
COHEN: P l e a s u ~ ,
Let's get some more now on air power, possibly a replacement for U.S. boots on the ground, as
they call it.
Let'sturn to a member of our CNN Security Council, the former Defense Secretary William
C o h n . He's chairman and CFO of The Cohen Group here in Washington.
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You 1assume you have bid a chance to read the Seymour Huah article. When you were in
charge of the Pentagon, you used airpowcr very effectively in Bosnia and Kosovo, without
deploying huge numbers of American tumps. Is that a realistic option in Iraq against an
insurgency of this nature?
WILLIAM COHEN, CNN WORLD AFFAIRS ANALYST: No. Airpower in not m effective
use of power against an insurgency. You do need boots on the ground.
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And the notion that somehow. it would be a substitution. I think, is s i m ~ l av a wrong choice
and one that I don'tthink the military will make. 1 think everybody ought to go back and read
H.R. McMaster's book about dereliction ofduty. In my iudement, were the military toagree to
I think that they proceeding apath that they have anticipatedthey are going to reduce the size
of the force by next spring and into the summer. There will still be a significant force left over,
but I don't thinkthat the military has ever planned to simply substitute air power and turn that
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over, the oversight of the intelligence, to the - to the Iraqis. I think that would be a a fatal
mistake for us.
You cannot win the hearts andminds of the Iraqi people by driving precision-guidedsteel into
those hearts and minds.
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BLnZER: The president is delivcrine another what what the White House calls major
1 speech on wednkday, in which he's going to be making the case thai things are moving in the
nght direction. How far does he need to go to convince the American public nght now that
1 COHEN: Well, I think he has to show that the elections arc &g to take place, Hut we ale
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going to see a srike in the the number are of -s
that period oftime.
that are there to help provide security for
And then I think he has to go about, systematically,staying a course on which there is going to
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be a reduction and a turning over of responsibilityin a large in a large factor to the Iraqi
people.
We're seeing more officers come into the - the armed forces now. The process of cleaning out
all the Baathists has now been reversed.So, they're bringing in young captains and - and
where into the force. So. more m-wer i s coming m. More rqxmsibilily will be turned
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over.,over a ~eriodof time. And I think the meside& has to do that. also holdine onto a
coalition of Capitol Hill. He can't do this by fireside chats, as Jack was suggesting before,
commenting on - on Senator Warner.
He's got to have support of key members of Capitol Hill. He can still do that if he makes an
outreach to them.
BUTZER. He doesn't have the support of retired U.S Licutenimt General William Odom, who
was on "AMERICAN MORNING" earlier today with some very harsh w o k .
Listen to this.
COHEN:OK.
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It's one of the treat fears. that we are s i m l v the United States is warine a war on behalf of
to
the Shia, who& gomg take over and continue that civil war. and thenbe in - work in
conjunction with an Iran that would be supporting hem. That'sa great fear.
We have got to try to continue to prevent that from taking place as best we can. No one can
predict the future with any certainty. But, hopefully, that will not occur.But the president, at
this point, has very limited options. He's got to, again, persuade the American people flint we
have to see this through, working with key members of Congress. You have Jack Murtha, Who
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has set down a a - certainly, a marker, saying out in six months, or at least we move to
Kuwait in six months.
You have got John McCain saying, stay the course, put more troops in. The truth and the
reality is gong lo lie somewhere in between, where you will see a reduction ofthe troops and a
gradual reductionof American forces over a period of time.
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1 ROBERTMCNAMARA
1 Urged End to nuclear weapons urged, asked wants churches to act (from an AP article of Nov.
12)
Calling the spread ofnuclear ims the -test threat to the world today, a fannerU.S.defense
secretary called on religious groups to lead the push for global nuclear disarmament. Robert
McNamara said the United States no longer needs its arsenal of thousands of nuclear weapons.
He said more religious groups need to do what the nation's Roman Catholic bishops did m
1983 - issue informed, urgent calls for nuclear disarmament.
Excerpt on the same topic from NPR's 'Talkof the Nation" on Nov. 8
Sometimes I'm asked to characterize US and NATO nuclear mlicies. weaoons de~lovments
and policies in one sentence, and this is the reply I give: ~heir ~olicies-US and NATO-arc
immoral, illegal, military unnecessary, very, very dangerous in t e r n of the risk of accidental
use. as somebody mentioned: it's even -ter risk in Russia than it is here. And they're
destructive to the non-proliferation regime. They make no sense whatsoever. And it's time to
change it.
JAMES SCHLESINGER
"None of the reviews found evidence that torture and abuse were part of any service wide
policy. Yd critics note that each of the reviews was initiated by the Pentagon, and they note
that certain questionable interrogationtechniques migrated from one detention facility to
another. The review by former Defense Secretary James Sdilftsingerconcluded that the
scandalwent bevond a few roeue soldiers: "Thereis both institutional and personal
responsibility at higher levels."
James Schlesinger - who served as CIA director in the Nixon administration,defense secretary
in the Nixon and Ford administrations,and energy secretary in the Carter administration- said
the nation is already "plagued by energy insecurity."
In testimony this month before the Senate Foreim Relations Committee. ScMwinguureed
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lawmakers to begin preparing for declining supplies and increasing prices in the coming
decades. "We arc faced with the possibility of a m a p economic shock and the political mresl
that would ensue," he said,
Judge William Webster, the only person to serve as director of the FBI and CIA, received the
William J. Donovan Award- named in honor ofthe founderof World War ll's Office of
StrategicServices, from he OSS Society at its (3rd anniversary dinner on October 15,2005
in Arlington, VA.
Previous recipients of the Donovan Award include former Presidents Bush and Reagan,
William Cascy, William Colby, M-I Thatcher, Ralph Bunche, and Admiral Lord
Mountbatten
The award is given to individuals who have made significantcontributions to the cause of
freedom and to the secuntv of the United Stalesexemnlified by M a w Ottiwal William "Wild
Bill" Donovm, the found" of ossand a world war i Medal of or winner.
The OSS Society celebrates the historic achievements of the Office of Strategic Services,
America's first central inlclhgence agency, and educates the public regardingthe importanceof
siralcgic intelligence to our national security.
JIM WOOLSEY
Interview by John Gibson on 'The Big Story" - Fox - Dec. 9
Let's ask former CIA director James Woolsey. So, Mr. Woolsey, with all good intentions, the
Americans said, 'Well, what did you get from your interrogation of this guy?" And I guess it
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was the Egyptians right - mid, 'Well, we got X,Y, and Z." Should the Americans always
say, "You guys apply techniques that we would not, maybe even you hurt people or torture
them, we're not going to believe you"?
JAMES WOOLSEY, FORMER CIA DIRECTOR:Well, we .shouldn't turn people over for
torture,and it's my understanding from what Condi Rice has said that we don't
But this is a more complex story than that. Dong Jcil (ph) in a column this morning, the "New
York Times" story that went into this said that Mr. al-Libbi was questioned three times.
First of all, when we captured him and we questioned him, he said there was some connection
between Iraq and al Qacda. Then we gave him to the Egyptians apparently and with them he
said there were a lot of connectionsbetween Iraq and al Qaeda. And then the third time, now,
we've questioned him again and he says he made the whole thing up. So two of those three
times he was lying. I'm not sure anybody knows which two of the three were lies.
GIBSON: Well, what do you do about this? Especially if you have to rely on a foreign
intellieence service to auestion somebodv, at least somewhere alone the way. and we know
they wont adhere tostaiKtonfa demanded[bythe US. Congress. G ~ S O N Anal : 0ç"l
prisoner who told Egyptian interrogators about ties between Iraq and the terror network al
Qaeda reportedly says he made it up in order to avoid being roughed up.
The White House used his testimony to help make its case to go to war in Iraq.
So, how can we rely on crucial evidence if it is gained from foreign interrogations, as this one
WM?
So, Mr. Woolsey, with all good intentions, the Americans said, "Well, what did you get from
your interrogation of this guy?" And I guess it was the Egyptians -right - said, "Well, we got
x,Y. and Z."
Should the Americans always say, "You guys apply techniques that we would not, maybe even
you hurt people or torture them, we're not going to believe you"?
JAMES WOOLSEY,FORMER CIA DIRECTOR: Well, we shouldn'l turn people Over for
torture, and it's my understanding from what Condi Rice has said that we don't. .
But this is a more complex story than that.
Doug Jeil (ph) in a column this morning, the "New York Times" story that went into this said
that Mr. al-Libbi was questioned three times.
First of all, when we capturedhim sad we questioned him, he said there was some connection
between Iraq and al Qaeda. Then we cave him to the Egmhans w ~ m ~ ~and t l with
y them he
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said there w& a lot of connections between Irao and al0aeda. And then the third h e , now,
we've questioned him again and he says he made the whole thing up.
So two of those three times he was lying. I'm not eure anybody knowswhich two of the three
were lies.
GIBSON: Well, what do you do about this? Espccidly if you have to rely on a foreign
intelligence service to question somebody, at least somewherealong the way, and we know
they wont adhere lo standardsdemanded by the US. Congress So what do you do?
WOOLSEY: Well, we shouldn't turn people over to other countriesto question, to be tortured.
But under some circumstances it's reasonable to turn people back to their home countries,
particularly I think for questioning, and Coodi Rice has done a good job of explaining the
reasons for that in ~ u m &
The only rendition we had was we caught Kami, who had killed two CIA officers outside our
gates, and thm was a cooperative deal between the FBI and the CIA and Pakistani intelligence.
&d we brought him back and had him prosecuted
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So we this issue really'didn't arise when I was director and, frankly, I'm not sure of the
details of any regulations and so forth that may have been drafted up in the meantime.
GIBSON: But do you have a natural tendency to not believe stuff that comes from an
intelligence service that .-where you're not sure how they do handle interrogations?
There's a huge traffic in information going back between intelligence services around the world
below the level of diolomatic exchanges and sometimes between countries that really are V e r y
much art odds diploiatically or strat&cally.
So, you know,I don't think there's a single rule about i t The policy ought to be we don't tum
people over to someone to be tortured.
But you have to make a judgment in individual cases based on triangulating from other things
that you hear about from other sources.
GIBSON: Lastly, Mr. Woolscy, just because Mr. Libhi says he Bed about connections between
Iraq and al Qaeda, does that mean there weren't any?
The first thing he told us was that there were connections. And then he told the Egyptiansthere
were a lot of connections. I don't know which of h s c times he was lying.
I personally believe there were some connectionsbetween Iraq and al Qaeda, quitepossihly
not involving 911 1.
But if6 a long and rother convoluted story. But 1don? think one shouldjump to the C O ~ C ~ U S ~ O ~
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that there was no cooperation at all between Iraq and al Oaeda certainly there was between
Zarqawi of al Qaeda and Iraq under Saddam, and I think there were probably other
incidentsso what do you do?
But under some circumstances it's reasonable to turn people back to their home countries,
particularly I think for questioning, and Condi Rice has done a good job of explaining the
reasons for that in Europe.
GIBSON: Yes, but as the CIA director, when you were presented with inftinnation that let's -
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just say you were from this kind of interrogation,a guy ends up in the hands of a friendly
foreign service, he's interrogated, they conic back and they give youraw information, do you
look at it with a high degree of skepticism?
So we - this issue really didnt arise when I was director and, frankly, I'mnot sure of the
details of any regulations and so forth that may have been draftedup in the meantime.
GIBSON But do you have a natural tendency to not believe staff that comes fmm an
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intelligence service that where you're not sure bow they do handle inten-offations?
But we rely on so-called intelligence liaison services, that is friendly and sometimes only a
little bit friendly intelligence services like, say, the Chinese, for a lot of information all the rime
and they rely on us.
There's a huge traffic in information goingback between intelligence services around the tvodd
below the level of diplomatic exchanges and sometimes between countries that really are very
much at odds diplomaticallyor strategically.
So, you know, I don't think there's a single rule about i t The policy ought to be we don't turn
people over to someone to be tortured.
But you have to make a judgment in individual cases based on triangulating from other things
that you hear about from other sources.
GIBSON: Lastly. Mr. Woohey, just because Mr. Libbi says he lied about connectiom between
Iraq and a1 Qacda, does that mean there weren't any9
WOOLSEY: No.
The first thing he told us was that there were connections. And then he toldthe Egyptians &ere
were a lot of connections. 1don't know which of those times he was lying.
I personally believe there were some connections between Iraq and a1Qaeda, quitepossibly
not involving 9/11.
But it's a long and rather convoluted story. But I don't think one should jump to the conclusion
that there was no cooperationat all between Iraq and al Qaeda - certainly there was between
Zarqawi of al Qaeda and Iraq under Saddam, and I think there were probably other incidents.
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Presenter: Gen.John Kesme, Acting Chief of Suffof the Amy Wednesday,July 23,2003
Listen, I want to say up front that our soldiers are doing a magnificentjobevery day, and we
should all be proud of them and grateful to them.We have over 368,000 soldieredeployed all
over the world. They are absolutely doing what their country needs fromthem to do. from the
Balkans, to Korea,to Afghanistan to Iraq. Many soldiers are in harm's way every day. For our
soldiers, the global war on terrorism is personal, it's often brutal, it's frequently terrorizing,it is
very demanding and death is always a silent companion. Yet day in and day out, they perform
the mission with extraordinary dedication and competence.
Yesterday's news in Iraq is yet one more testimony to just how well-trained,well-led and
motivated our soldim are. On my recent trip to Iraq, I was greatly impressed and proud of how
well our Army is performingunder difficult, demanding conditions. Morale is high, and soldiers
know what their missions are and they're performing them to our standards.
My purpose today is to present to you our rotation plan for Iraq. First, I want to give you a link
historical perspective. In the Army's distinguishedhistory, unit manning and unit muuons have
long been a challenge Dunng World War 11, troops were mobilized and dispatchedto the from
for the duration, meaning forthe duration of hostiiities or indefinitely. with the exceptionof air
crews that flew a set number of missions before rotating back to training assignments. In Korea,
the Army established a rotation policy of six months for combat units and 12 months for combat
support and combat service support units, and later went through a very complicated point
system forindividual soldiers. In Vietnam, soldiers rotated after 12 months in theater on an
individual basis. Subsequentrotation policies have varied in response to the combatant
commander's needs.
Since 1982, we've had a six-month unit rotation policy in the Sinai. In 1995,we began with a 12-
month unit rotation in the Balkans, and shortly thereafter,changed it t o a aix-month rotation
policy, which we are steady-staling today in Bosniaand Kosovo. Finally, our forces in
Afghanistan are currently on a six-month unit rotation policy.
As I mentioned,368,000 soldiers-plus, 120 countries. And here's where they are: South Korea,
30,000-plus; the Philippines, a thousand-plus. In the United States, 28,600 soldieis providing
forceshere for homeland security. In Joint Task Force Guantanamo Bay, 1.500 s o l d i m In the
KFOR and SFOR - this is in the Balkans, as you know - 5,100 soldiers. The Imgat
commitment, obviously, is in Operation Iraqi Freedomand in the Southwest Asia CENTCOM
A 0 in support of that, 167.000 soldiers.Afghanistan is 9.600. and the MFO that I mentioned is
This is what it means to us down at unit level: 24ofthe 33 active component brigade combat
teams are deployed overseas during fiscal yca'03, or 73 percent. Of our National Guard
enhanced battalions, 15 of the 45, or 33 percent of them deployed overseas in 03.
So the 368,000 is what I mentioned, and this is how it's broken down: active. 232,000-plus;
Reserves, 61.000-plus: and National Guard, 74,000-plus.
Next chart
Let me show you what's happening in Iraq. I think you're mostly familiar with it, but thenumbers
you may not be as well familiar with. A hundredand fifty-six thousand troops: the vast majority
of those are Army - 133,000. You can see the Air Force,the Navy and the Marine Corps, And
our coalition forces, which are beginning to now at 12,400, to include the U.K.division. We
obviously have a lot of Army helicopters in the theater as well. We work up from the southeast,
from Kuwait, we have 34,000 troops. And the U.K., as you know, is in the southern sector, in
Basra. And beginning to sec the multinational forces coming; this is an Italian brigade, a
Netherlands battalion.
The 1st MEFis the southern sector. You heart Paul Wolfowitz talk about that. A Special Forces
group is in the Weft.In thecentral corridor, in Baghdad, we have the 1st AnnoredDivision, the
2nd Armored Cavalry Reeiment. and the 2nd Brigade from the 82nd Airborne Division was
working the central .ro& To the west of that,&t near Fallujah, is the 3rd Infantry Division.
And the enure western, going to the Syrian and Jordanian border, is ihe 3rd Annored Cavalry
Regiment.
North of Baghdad. in a very large area of operations,is the 4th Infantry Division, assisted by the
173rd Airborne Brigade, which is a pal of this organization And then upnonh there$ the lOlst
Airborne Division Air Assault, which goes to the Syrian and the Iruuan and Turkish borders
That will give you a sense of where we are in Iraq and what those numbers are.
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Whitman: Good morning, and thank you forjoining us this moraine. There has been some inteicfl in
the last couple of days on some force health protection issues and somecases of pneumonia And so. I
thought that it might be useful to bring to you a couple of expertson this issue.
Today, we have Dr David Tomberg, who is the deputy asmsmt secretary of Defense for Clinical and
Program Policy, 03 well as Colonel Robert D e h i c s from the Office of the Army Surgeon General.
that have offeredto come down here and spend some time wilh you and answer your questions
Tomberg: Good morning. I'd like to thank you all for coming. The purpose, of c o w , of the briefing
today, as was indicated, is to update you and provide you with, hopefully, some comprehensive
information on the pneumonia cases that we have recently experienced.
The health, safety, well-being of our fighting men and women are of critical importance to us. They're
of utmost importance, and we'll spare nothing to safcguari their well-being. Military medicine, I'm
happy to say, is poised to provide the finest of care to our fighting men and women.
AS you know, there have been some cases of pneumonia and sadly, there have been two deaths. We're
deeply concerned about the deaths. We'd like acomprehensive understanding to be available to the
families. to the husbands. to the wives of our servicemenso ihev better underatand the nature of t b
conditions. And we'd like to assure you that we're sparing no effort to further analyze and diagnose the
nature of this condition.
The Anny has been uking the l e d in providing the health care KTViccd, and 11mvolved in the
epidemiological investigation of these conditions. I'm happy to have with us loday Colonel Bob
DcFrwto. chief of prevenuve medicine i n the Office of the Surgeon General of the Anny, who will
provide you more details on the nature of these conditions today
Thank you.
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Bob?
DeRnites:Thanks,Dr. Tomberg.
A primary mission of the Army Medical Department is to protect the health of the troops and to late
care of them and give them the best possible care, regardless of where they are deployed worldwide.
Whenever we send soldiers in harm's way, we're committed to bringing them back whole.
We're very saddened in the Medical Lkpaitment at the loss of life of any of our midiera. including the
two that have unfortunately lost their lives due to the pneumonia that they acquired while they were
deployed.
In response to this, (he Anny Surgeon General has ch- two epidcmiological consultation teams
to study the case of the pneumonia, to make sure we do evcrylhing possible to avoid new ones and
provide the best of care to those who become ill. Epidemiologicalconsultation is regular tool
available to the Army Surgeon General. He can charter a team xt any time to study any kind of
medical problem that occur* anywncrc in the Army. and he'schosen to do so in this snuation.
I want to go a little bit intosomeof the background informinon about what we know so far about
pneumoniain the Anny. Since the 1st of March, we have seen about a hundred cases of pneumonia
total in the troops that have been deployed in Southwest Asia in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom
and Enduring hrecdom Thai number of about a hundred is about given the population that's
deployed 13 about the amount thai one might expect in a population uf iroops deployed, basedon our
background information and experience that we have -- between 4(00) and 500 cases of pncumoma
= m y year in the Army wnrldwide That s fajrly ~tandard,and surprising it may seem that otherwise
young, healthy adults still do get pneumonia in the Army
Of the hundred cases since Much, 15 of them have beenscnous enough to w m t reipralor suppa
In other words. they needed 10 be put on a ventilator to help them breathe for a certain pcnodof time
Of those 15. two unfonunately have (bcd, one in June andone in July
The - what we know about these cases so far. the 15 cases - 14 of them are soldiers and one's a
M a w And they have occurred fairly -on a fairiy spread-out paticm in omc since March We hid
twocases in March, two in ApnI, one in Mty, six in June and four in July. The last confirmed case
that we have had occurred on the 30th of ~uly.
The other interesting thing about these 15 cases of more severe pneumonia is that they've occuned all
throughout the Southwest Asia region.Even though 10 of ihe 15occurred in Iraq - that's where the
majority of troops are, of course - they have occurredas far away as Uzbekistan and Qatar.
And also the fact that two have died, I think,is probably the one issue that has prompted the
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commissioning of our epidemiology cpidcmiologic consultation.
Though death, unfortunately. just like pneumonia, occurs in the Army in this day and age, so does
death due to pneumonia. In the five years ending calendar year 2002, the Army Ion 17 soldiers due to
complications with pneumonia. So even in this day and age, we still, unfortunately, lose some soldiers
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due to pneumonia.
The other usue with the 15 cases is that we have been able to identify streplcaxcd pneumonia. 'That's
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Now, 1 mentioned the epidenuological consultation teams, otherwise known as EPICON teams The
surgeon general has chartered two teams. One learn of two physicians is already been posted to
Landstuhl Rcciond Medical Center in Germany to assist the physicians there in reviewing the cases
Since most of the cases of the severe cases came 10 Landstuhl. that s a good place to do some record
review and also revie* the laboratory findings from these cases And so. we have Woof our doctors
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assisting in the investigauon there at LandsNhl The other teamof six indnjduals four officers and
two enlisted personnel is no'* in the central region -they re in theater right now, and they'll be
moving into Iraq, and they'll be assisting with the investigation there in Iraq.
The teams consist of - both have infecuous disease, preventive medicine expertise. In addition, the
team that's going to I n q also h u laboratory officers and technicians that can assist with laboratory
evaluauon That includes patient specimens,and it also includes specimens from the environment.
Pneumonia is a very common condition in the United States in general. There are two basic types of
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pneumonia: those that are pneumonia that's caused by infection and pneumonia that can be caused
by non-infectiouscauses.
Of the infectious causes, there's a long list of bacteria, viruses, parasites and fungi that can cause a
pneumonia. The most common cause of pneumoniain the United States is bacterial pneumonia, and1
already mentjoncd that two of our 15 cases we know already have that very common bacteria that
causes pneumonia worldwide.
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Of thenon-infectious causes, there are that can be caused by cnviromneniaJconditions such as dusts
or metals or smoke, such as even exacerbated by tobacco smoke.
So the investigation is going to be focused on kind of the infectious conditions that I mentioned, some
of the non-infectiousconditions, and also look at some of the host factors of the patients or that
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soldiers themselves of whether is anything in their makeup or their background that might explain
why they may have gotten severe pneumonia.
Agajn I want at reiterate that the deployment of these cpidciniologicalconsultation teams is a tool that
the surgeon general evokes on afairly regular basis Normally we have - n's hard to say on a yearly
basis, but about two to threeepidemiologicalconsultauonsevery year. and so this i s a fairly typical
tool that the surgeon general of the Army invokes to addressa condition like this
I think we are - we are sufficiently concernedabout especially the more severe pneumonia that the
epidemiological consultation was warranted. Additional study, anything that we can do to lean more
about the risk factors for theseconditions, these more serious illnesses, especially the two tragic
deaths, you know, we want to gain as much as we can; if nothing else, to learn better how to protect
soldiers acainst this oarticular tvoc of infection or..if it's- "on-infectious. whatever is causme the
pneumonia, and alsoto learn more so that if in no oinersmall way, perhaps this will offer some small
comfort 10 those who have lost some soldiers due to this condition.
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Q: Colonel?
Q: You talked about non-bacterial causes. How many cases do you have of non-bacterial causes of
pneumonia? And can you tell us what caused it?
DeFraites: Well, pneumonia typically in the United States and, really. around the wortd, the way
pneumonia presents itself is the patient comes in with typical symptoms of cough,fever. and then on
physical examination or x-ray, the doctor diagnoses pneumonia and usually just treats. The typical
approach is not really to try to find out what bacteria or virus might be causing it. And nine timesout
of 10. or 90 times out of 100, that's good enough. It's only when it gets more complicated does the
physician pursue a diagnosis more aggressively.
So in these cases we really have only identified the two infectious causes so far. There may be other
studies that we have done, as I mentioned, for smallpox and for anthrax so far have been negative. In
addition, we have looked for the bacteria that causes Legionnaires' Disease, and that doesn't seem to
be playing a factor. But the investigation's not completed yet, so 1really can't any more about what -
you know, it's not 100 percent - we haven't -
Q: Arc you speculating out down ihe road about what camed any of the othercases you see?
DeFraites: No, not speculating about any of it.That's what the investigation is for. really.
Q: Are you seeing anything that was similar from the first Oulf War, or arc there any lessons leaned
that you took from the tint Gulf War, with pneumonia cases, that were given to the troops now?
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I don't know whether there was all the oil smoke maybe caused more cases in the first Gulf War,
and there isn't as much oil smoke this time. Are there any similarities or differencesthat you may be
seeing between the two?
DeFraites: Well. we've taken this problem as it presenteditself, as apneunionia problem. And M such.
there really was no precedent in the Gulf War.
I would say, though, in general. I think we're better postured to recognize these problems earlier and
respond in a timely way. And in this case, this investigation really started probably about the same
time as the first soldier died. As I said, these cases have been kind of spread out over time and so
really didn't show a pattern. But then with the first death, it really lucked off the investigation. But we
think we're well on our way to understanding what's going on here.
Q: Have yon determined the cause of death for the two cases? And will you release their names?
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DePraite: The cause of death of the two soldiers who have diedis still being studied. The pathology
report, the postmortem examination, is still not quite completed. We expect it to be done really within
the next week or 10 days. And we're factoring that into our investigation.
In interest of the privacy of the families and the patients, we're d l y not going to be releasing their
names.
Q: Colonel, I want to make sure I understood when you said at the beginning the hundred or so cases
generally - that would be the typical number of pneumoniafor a year?
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DeFraites: No. What I meant by the hundredcases that I talked about is that's the that's all
pneumonias in Southwest Asia that have required at least treatment in a hospital, of which 15 of them
are more severe, needing the respirator.
That a hundred - again, I was using it as a benchmark in comparison with our worldwideexperience
every year of the4<00) to 500 soldiers who need to be admitted to a hospital somewhere around the
world - the Army's deployed all around the world - somewhere, for pneumonia And I use that in
perspective as saying: Are we seeing more cases in general than we might expect? Despite the harsh
environment, the answer is no, not totally. But again, we're still concerned about these- severe
ones,
Q: And the 15 that you sort of identified as the more severe ones -is that the focus of the
investigation right now? Are the other 85 or sonot really involved?
DeFraites: Well, they're all involved. Our priority is definitely on the 15, but the - we know who the
other hundred are. Fortunately, they all -
Q: Ycah.
DeFraiW: -you know. they all responded to treatment and are doing well. So -
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Diuing the Afghan war. where U S tn-innB m t in U-?Jvki~tnn.thmr was a lot of anecdotfll evidence
of troops becoming ill because they we; breathing in the dust that had been for years created with
chemicals and such like that Is this one of the things when you refer to "on- biological potenual
factory i s this somethmg youd be looking at7 Became you did say there was one in Uzbekistan.u
well
DeFraites: Yes, I did. Really, the focus of the investigation on the non-infectiouscauses includes any
of the environmental conditions like the dust or, you know, what the soldier might have been doing in
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his occupation you know, it might give us some clues of an exposure he may have experiencedthat
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might explain why he got pneumonia. So, the dust certainly everyone's seen the pictures, and
whoever has been there understands what -- that the dust is anissue. It's always been an issue. Why it
might be contributing to these cases is one of the focus of the investigation, if it does at all.
0:Could you state all thecountries in which the troops have g o m sick7Can you also at least give us
the ages and the (fendersof the two who died. and an range of the 15 involved? And just one last
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thine. Is thereany evidenceof connection?I mean, arc these random cases, or do you see -
DeFraites: Well,I'm glad you brought the question up about the connection, because that really is
what an epidemiologistdoes, is look for these trends. And you know, we have an epidemiological
consultation learn. We have epidemiologistsinvolved, and so they're looking for these trends.
And I think what we have so far is lhat we've got, spread out in time. as I mentioned. you know, with
the twocases in March, the l ~ inoApnl. theone in May.the suun June and the fourin July - andall
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of these I0 out of the 15 severe cases have occurred in Iraq. but of course, that's where most of the
troop? arc. But they vc been spread out - all of these countries in Southwest Asia I cant off the Iop of
my head remember what - how many arc spread out to these other countries,but 11includes Kuwait,
Qatar and Uzbekistan 1don1 know if there s any other country thai ..from which we have a case nght
now.
And I don't have the informationon the age ranges with me right now. We have that, but I just don't
have it with me.
DeFraitca:But, I mean. theyh all activeduty military people. So, it falls in that age range. And I'm
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not going to really, in the interest of the patients' family. I'm not going to talk about specifics about
those fatal cases.
There was somethingI wanted to finish saying,though, about your first question. Oh! In terms of the
trends of - and whether or not these are sporadic cases, the other thing that's key, other than being
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spread out separated by space and time, is also that there's no evidence that - of any other kind of
individual relationship of one case to another to suggest that therecould be person--person spread.
There's no evidence that this is spread from one person to another.
DeFraites:The - we do have data from several of thecases that have been negative for the SARS
virus, the conmavinis. So we don't think this has anything to do with SARS.
And again, SARS. if you remember, was very definitely spread fromperson to person. So we feel very
reassured,from the pattern of cases that we have, that this isn't acting at all like SARS, plus we have
the negative finding on several of the cases. So SARS was another went I should have mentioned that
we don't fee! is playing any role here.
Q: And biological or chemical -can you definitivelyrule out a possibilityof biological orchemical
weapons?
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DcFrailes: Based on all the infonnauon we have to date, there's been no positive finding* of any
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anthrax or smallpoxor any other biological weapons So yeah, I've pretty close to ruling it out.
Q:And what ibout ..again, just to clarify, (he significance of this is that you're concerned about the
senow cases, not necessarily the number? Is that correct?
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DcFraites: Well, we're concerned about both. I think if thenumber gets, you know starts increasing,
we're concerned about that. But really we're approachingthis from a prevention and a treatment focus,
to see - is there something we can intervene - some way we can intervene to protect the health of the
troops and then lo treat them better. And so that's why we're - that's the main reason we're studying
these more severe cases, because they've required more treatment And if Acre's some way wecan
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intervene and learn more about living better or healthier in this particular very harsh
admittedly very harsh environment, that it'd be -- we think it would be a great benefit to thetroops
Q: This has gone up also to 102, right? So hive you had any increase recently or - 1had thought that
it had gone up from a hundred to 102.
DeFraJtes: We are getting a couple of more cases admitted to the hospitals. Of the not severe - the last
confirmed severe case we had was on the 30th of July - there have been several other soldiers with
pneumonia. Of this - that's why Fro saying it's about a hundred. I don't mean to imply that it's exactly
100. It's about a hundred. It could be 102 now. I haven't checked the list lately to see what it is.
Q:How many of the hundred were in Iraq? And also, two people have died. Is that unusual? I
understand the hundred - it's more or less what you would expect in a force of that size. But how
about the deaths?
DeFraites: Well, right now. to answer your first question, I'm not exactly sure how many of the
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hundred are in what's the distribution of those hundred cases.
In tenus of the deaths, from an epidemiological perspective it is very difficult to interpret the two
deaths in terms of whether that's something you expect. I mean,it's concerning enough that it's - it's
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hard lo say. Like I said, in the Army we have, unfortunately, experienced about well, 17casesof
fatal pneumonia in the Army over a five-year period. So if you do the division, it conies out to about
three a year. So two occurring in one area of the world in about a month was enough to cause us
concern. I haven't --Idon't know statistically who that works out. but it was enough to cause us to be
concerned.
Q: Colonel -
DeFraitcs: (Actually we were.) though, already starting to be concerned with the frat death. We didnt
really wait for the second one.
Q: Colonel, can I follow on that question, because talking about the two that died, you said
epi&miologically statistically. But individually, have you tracked these individuals who died? Were
they treated early enough? Did they get the proper treatment? Were they moved forward? How have
you looked at those two individuals who died?
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DePitites: I'm glad you brought that up. becauw that's exactly what the focus of the investigation of
those cases is. It includes their exposures, what might hivestarted their illnesi, mdalso how were
they treated once they got sick.
Q: And are you farenough along that you can draw any conclusions? Were they-
DcFraites: No. That requires the post-mortem examination and a full analylis of the tissues to know
what the cause of death was; then go back and see, you know, given that as acause of death,then how
did the treatment stack up compared to that.
Q: And youll come back and report that to us when you find that out?
Q: Did it s u n in Kuwait, maybe? You saidit happenedmaybe in March. Did that start hi Kuwait and
maybe all of the soldiers belonged to some specific umt?
DePraites: Well. that's what -that's the other factor that inthe-lies- I'm gted you brought that up,
because I neglected to mention that all of these 15 severe cases arc all from different military units.
So, aside from the separation in time and space, it does look like they havedifferent umu.
You are correct the early cases, of course. before the outbreak of hostilities did occur in Kuwait;
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however, that doesn't include the soldier who was in Uzbekistan,which really had nothing to do
with Operation Iraqi Freedom.
Q: Are there any s t e p underway now to prevent further infections or further spread?
DeFraites: Well, we've put some messages out to - the question was about preventive - what can you
do to prevent pneumonia. We have put messages out to the field in terms of trying to intervene. Not
knowing exactly, you know, what particular causative agent, there are still some prudent things that
can be done.
And so, we put messages to the field. We're very concerned about soldiere not becoming dehydrated
in this intense heat and dust that they'reexperiencing in the deployed environment. So, we're trying to
emphasize that they stay well-hydrated and that they also protect themselves against the dust as best
they can, using either their cravats or some type of dust mask. But of course, that's uncomfortable, and
it's hard to do 24 hours a day.
Also. when they're handling dust, if Ihey'rc in an area where they've got to do sweeping. we
recommend that they wet down the area first and do more like wet sweeping thçraising bigcloudsof
dust, juqt in case that's a factor
And finally, we all know that definitely.cigarette smoking is a risk factor for pneumonia, no matlei
what age, no matter what population. And so, you know, we're also putting that message out there
along. We emphasize that nonnally to the troops anyway. But this is even a more reason to avoid
cigarette smoking.
Q: The two confirmed bacteriacases, are they related in any way in space and time, as well? And did
they contribute toeither of the deaths?
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DeFraites: No, no. None of the - no two of the cases share any common unit or exact day or time.
Q: They'd; not the ones whodied?
DeFraites: The two known bacterial pneumonia cases arc not the ones who died. They both recovered.
DeFraites: Well, that's what we're still studying - their deaths with the post-mortem.
mike.) - bacterial,or
Q: (Off -
Mraitcs: Right now, that's the focus of theinvestigation. Right
DeFraitcs: I think we're being very prudent and very careful, whenever we have a death that we
investigate,that we look at
all the tissues. There's much more - it's easy - actually, it's easy to make the diagnosis if a bacterial
grows out of a blood culture. That's easy. You've got i t If you don't get a positive blood culture, it gels
much tougher, because now you're looking at other - that non-bacterial could be rims, could be
fungus, could be a parasite or it could be one of these non-infectious causes.
Q: Can we assume that you don't have somethinggrowingout of a culture very quick and easy in the
case of the two who died?
Q:Wen;bothoftheseinIraq-bothofthedeathsinIraq?
DePraites:No.
Q: Were was the other one? Or what - can you tell us what countly?
DeFrsitcs: Well, r d rather not talk about specificsabout these - about the two cases.
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Q: (Off mike.) if it's not Iraq, it's either Afghanistan or Uzbekistan or Qatar.
Toniberg: They were from - they were soldiers who served in Iraq.
Q: They were soldiers who had served in Iraq, but they were no longer in Iraq at the time of death?
Tomberg: No, we cannot. We cannot. We're bying to accommodateyou and reasonably answer your
questions. But there are privacy (elements ?).
Q: Colonel, you mentionedthat the six-person team is in the region, but not in Iraq yet. Is that - did1
understand you correciiy?
Q: You had mentioned the 17 deaths over a five-year period from pneumonia in the Army, In this
calendar year, aside from those two cases, has the Army had any other cases?
DeFraites: No, I'm not aware of any other pneumonia deaths. Some of the deaths - deteiminalion,just
like in these two cases, takes a long time before the final diagnosiscan be made,based on pathology
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examinations,toxicology. So right as of right now, I'm not aware of any otherpneumonia deaths in
the Anny.
Q: Are there other diseases which have claimed the lives of Amy soldiers in the Central Command
of Opcmtio"?
DeFraites: I don't have that information with me today. I can only address the ones that we're looking
at in terms of pneumonia.
Whitman: No, no -
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