The Modern Fencer Versus The Ancient Master - Who Will Win

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Regularly in the comments to my and not only posts the same question pops up: "what are
the chances of a modern fencer against a medieval master in a real battle?" In general,
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As in any pyramid, here each next level is limited to the previous one. Without a good
physical shape, it is almost impossible to hone the technique. With poor technology, the
arsenal of tactics is greatly reduced. And being unable to come up with a victory plan, it is
di cult to maintain a positive attitude.
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+52 Wasasin 37 days ago

the most important thing is the attitude towards death. the fencer is not imprisoned for
killing his own kind, and on the contrary, the old master is just the same for quick, effective,
low-cost killing of the enemy (naturally in a spherical vacuum) and options are possible
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+12 werevolff 36 days ago
And also, the swordsman of the cold weapon era focuses not on striking / pricking,
but on piercing armor, cutting arteries, etc.
One can ask the same question: could Bruce Lee knock out Datsik? The rst is an
actor who has the skills of staging a battle in front of the camera, the second is a
ghter focused on in icting quick damage to an opponent. Although both are focused
on hype.
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+5 Renisce 36 days ago
I’m such an expert on myself, but aren't Renaissance fencing schools geared
toward killing an unarmored opponent?
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+12 strelok0505 36 days ago
Comparing Datsik with Bruce Lee is funny

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0 KnyazChernigov 36 days ago
and the same thing with boxing, poking in the ring or going against several gopniks
with knives, these are two different things
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+20 Azirsan 37 days ago
"and what are the chances of a modern swordsman against a medieval master in real
combat?"
Well, if we take precisely the Middle Ages (that is, conditionally until the 15-16th century),
then I really can only sympathize with the modern fencer. Judging by the nature of the
wounds that were reconstructed from the same battle of Visby, medieval craftsmen were
extremely practical people - they chopped off their legs and nished off on the ground.
For the mention of psychology - a plus. You can reconstruct ghts as much as you like, but
until both sides understand that they will be killed, the nature of the battle cannot be
reproduced.
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+2 Ulvlars 36 days ago
The battle of Visby and the Maximellianian era are all the same two big differences.
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In principle, we have little data on injuries in a foot battle, so it would be logical to

use a historically comparative approach. For the 15-16th century, we can use two
burials for analysis - this is the Church of St. Mary in Oslo and the burial in
Uppsala. On the one hand, most of the damage falls on the head, on the other
hand, the blows indicate that they were applied from top to bottom. Accordingly,
if we exclude the blows in icted from the horse, we get the same breakdown as
with Visby - a blow to the limbs and nishing. The rst picture is Uppsala, the
second is Oslo.
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0 sangre.wind 36 days ago
and, do not believe it, in normal clubs, primarily when teaching fencing with a shield
they teach this particular bunch))
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0 Azirsan 36 days ago

Learn to kill with a blow to the head?
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+20 apocalipsya 37 days ago
It is generally incorrect to compare sports and martial arts. These are fundamentally
different things.
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+19 delphin92 37 days ago

I do not argue. But once regularly asked such questions, why not answer?
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Apparently, the second most popular question is after who is a samurai or a

knight)
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+7 SaintSatan5619 37 days ago
If a psychologically modern athlete is ready to kill, then I would bet on him.

De nitely.
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+26 Sjoberg 37 days ago
Thick, dense forest. Narrow road. Rides on his nag D'Artagnan. To meet him, Ilya Muromets
on horseback.
D'Artagnan:
- Monsieur, I am a subject of a great France, you must let me through!
Ilya Muromets:
- Go away, you fool.
D'Artagnan:
“Sir, I am a great musketeer. You must give me the way.”
Ilya Muromets:
- Go away, fool, I'm in a hurry!
D'Artagnan:
- Monsieur, if you do not give me the way, I will be forced to challenge you to a duel and kill
you!
They leave for the bushes. After 5 minutes, Ilya Muromets comes out from behind the
bushes, wipes his sword and says: hooliganism, I almost poked out my eyes with wire.
***
They thump in the bar and quarreled. Dartanyan shouts: "Draw a dot on his heart with a
chalk, now I’m poking him at the very point with his sword." Muromets replies: "Yes, sprinkle
him with all the our, I now fuck with his club."
***
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+3 sse0 36 days ago
Doesn't the musketeer have a musket with him?

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+6 geran4eg 36 days ago
when transported, it is usually not charged

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In addition to the sword, the royal musketeer should also have a musket with a
bipod, a broadsword (for equestrian combat), a dag, a pair of pistols. And also a
servant.
Still, this is the guard of the king, and not dog-fuck)

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+1 pH5.5 36 days ago

I read in the voice of Boyarsky.
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+5 ganjed 37 days ago
The medieval will try to kill, and the modern will try to hit on points. Kill the medieval. Both
in shackles and at the table with meat!
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+10 kn525 36 days ago
Two boxing friends meet: heavyweight, weight for the steward, the other acts in the
yweight category.
Heavyweight:
- Count it, there was a case: I come home, I look - my wife has a lover.
Well, I told him once on the left, once on the right, I look - lies ...
Lightweight:
- I also had it: I am returning home, I look - my wife has a lover.
Well, I’m telling him on the left, once on the right, I’m lying on the oor and looking - I’m
leading by the points ...
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-four sse0 36 days ago
... and then I feel that they are leading me on a point.
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+8 Alexx313 36 days ago
And so?
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Rather like this:
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+3 Figgyfox 36 days ago
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+6 obitatel.pustoty 37 days ago
You have a mistake in setting the task: a modern fencer is a collective image of adherents
of mass enthusiasm, a master by de nition is better than most, especially if the selection is
carried out to death.
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+6 prisa 36 days ago

Masters do not win the war. War wins the middle majority.
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+1 obitatel.pustoty 36 days ago
And what? The question is about the duel. Wars are won by masters of command
of the hands of the majority.
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+8 Dzefirelli 37 days ago
The pepper is clear, the "medieval master" will lay down the "modern swordsman" even
before the latter has time to understand something. In simpler terms, all 4 components of
this “pyramid” are on the side of a person who was in real battles and knows that “cold
arms combat” is not nichrome “fencing”, but a mixture of hand-to-hand ghting, a desire to
survive and the ability to kill the enemy. Even a simple wound, a modern athlete simply will
not survive, not to mention the psychological and physical preparation, which are
completely absent in a modern fencer.
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0 Vemar 36 days ago
Well, just the same physical training for an athlete will be higher. And health in general.
Do not forget - the Middle Ages, medicine is not enough, both qualitatively and
quantitatively. Again, I do not think that the medieval killer will neglect the armor
(unless you are sure that it is super uous, but this does not apply to those in error).
Chain mail, armor, etc. disappeared due to the development of a gunshot. And if there
is no rearm, it is effective. I think this is an important factor that was missed in the
analysis.
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+3 Dzefirelli 36 days ago
Continuous modern stereotypes.

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0 Ukifusa 36 days ago

Well, as it were supposed that they would both be on equal footing.
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0 pkdr 36 days ago

Not only medicine, but also about acceleration should not be forgotten. The
medieval battle, by our standards, is a bloody ght of brutal sixth graders.
So the athlete will have a tremendous advantage in the growth, weight and length
of the hands.
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-one Cashtane 36 days ago

Well, yes, until the 19th century, cuirassiers felt good. And the infantry, yes, there
was no point, and it wasn’t possible to provide such a horde with normal armor
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+2 Mindlessbob 36 days ago

Gentlemen, here is an excerpt from the book of Fiore de Liberi, Flos Duellatotum
On the tenth day of February 1409, I Fiore de Liberi from Friuli, Cividale in Austria, the son of
Sir Bernadetto from the house of de'Liberi, began this treatise from ghting with and
without arms: spear, poleax, sword and dagger, as well as ghting, walking and on a horse,
in and without armor, and other things related to battle. And for all these things, I will
explain action and reaction, so that one follows the other.
As you can see the Middle Ages fencing school was a very complex discipline. Liberi
himself, by the way, wrote that 5 times he was summoned to death ghts in armor and
without, he came out of all of them as the winner without signi cant harm to himself.
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+4 KpbIJL 37 days ago

There is one more difference, which signi cantly increases the chances of a 17th century
shoulder strap in front of a master of sports: a sports sword weighs 0.4-0.5 kg; a duel
sword is 2 to 4 times heavier. Which can have a strong impact on such a ght. Even the
appearance of a cane is considered to be associated with duels, they were specially
weighted to the weight of the sword so that the muscles of the hand would train all the
time.
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+2 lasso2007 36 days ago
And more importantly, the shoulder strap is ready to wave these kilograms for several
hours in a row and kill everyone in a row. But the athlete is not ready.
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0 copoka618 36 days ago

I didn’t understand a bit. Breter - he is purely special in duels, and here
several hours in a row and kill everyone
Dueling is usually one on one and much shorter in time. In short, you confused
with an ordinary warrior on the battle eld
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+3 Tror 36 days ago

Interesting article, thanks.
I will probably tell you my experience in support of both aspects of this article.
On my own, I never engaged in professional fencing. I did not study schools, I was not a
member of clubs or anything else. But in that great heyday of the role-playing movement
that took place in 2005-2009, he got into the habit of hanging out among those same role-
players.
But with them, alas, it didn’t work out very well, because for some reason completely
incomprehensible at the moment, I bought myself two steel training blades - one and a half
and one one-handed.
And, of course, all the happy owners of textiles and durals ran away from me as if they were
a leper, and I had to literally look for the beaten-down guys with steel weapons without
armor just like me.
And found.
And they fenced.
And yes, this, of course, is far from the psychological understanding of "they will kill you
now," but the sensations from the duel are much stronger, and, as a result, the
concentration in the duel is higher.
So. Over time, I switched from direct blades to saber-reciprocating equipment and even
picked up duralumin. But even though the technique has changed, the hand and the psyche
remember the experience of the armless steel chopping.
And at this stage the fun began. Absolutely all ghts had three development paths:
1. After 10-20 seconds of the battle I win.
2. After 5-10 seconds of the battle, the enemy retreats shouting: "It’s impossible, it’s not
according to the rules, it’s necessary to be careful"
3. After all the same 10-20 seconds of the battle, I lose, because the opponent really knows
how to FENCER, and not chop (which con rms the second aspect of your article about “put
d'Artagnan on modern conditions).
Well, with rare exceptions, I came across guys with whom an intense and powerful saber
ght came out.
Ah ... I remembered, I was already nostalgic. And where are my 17 years old?
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+4 1gazebo1 37 days ago

"The art of fencing, brought to us from Italy, but still experiencing its infancy, was reduced in
this era to a series of movements that forced the ghter to often move, and due to the
slightest irregularities of a randomly chosen place for a duel, he came across all kinds of
obstacles.
Often it was possible to see how the fencer is stretched to his full height, then, on the
contrary, takes his head in his shoulders, jumps to the right, then left, crouches, resting his
hand on the ground. One of the rst conditions for the successful mastery of this art was
agility and speed not only of the arm, but also of the legs and the whole body.
It seemed, however, that Chicot did not study fencing according to the rules of this school.
One would have thought that he, on the contrary, already foresaw the art of the sword,
contemporary to us, whose superiority and especially all its grace lies in the mobility of the
hands with the body almost completely motionless.
Both his legs stood rmly, rmly on the ground, his hand was exible and at the same time,
the sword from the tip Until half of the blade seemed to bend easily, but from the hilt to the
middle, its steel was unshakably hard.
At the rst attacks, when he saw not a man in front of him, but a bronze statue with only a
hand moving at rst glance, Brother Jacques began to attack impetuously, but it affected
Chicot only in such a way that he extended his arm and put his foot forward at the slightest
error, which he noticed in the movements of his opponent. It is easy to imagine that with a
habit, not only stabbing, but also chopping, he very often left one or the other part of his body
unprotected.
Each time, Shiko’s long arm extended three feet and delivered a straight tip to his brother
Jacques chest: it was done as methodically as if it were struck by some mechanism, rather
than a living hand, which should be characterized by at least some vibrations, some kind of
uncertainty.
At each stroke of the tip, Jacques, crimson with rage and wounded pride, bounced back.
For ten minutes the boy did everything that he could learn from his extraordinary dexterity: he
rushed forward like a leopard, twisted in a ring like a snake, slipped under the very chest of
Shiko, jumped to the right, to the left. But Shiko, still calmly wielding his long hand, chose a
convenient moment and, pushing away the rapier of the enemy, invariably hit him in the chest
with his formidable tip. "
http://lib.ru/INOOLD/DUMA/45.txt_with-big-pictures.html#19
Chapter 23. Lesson
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+14 UlisTT 37 days ago
You can still remember Don Rumatu. He generally chopped everyone into cabbage.
Well, isn’t it funny to appeal to the artist?

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+4 moranor 36 days ago

I quickly remembered Asprin's "Shutt company". There was an episode with a
tournament that pretty well described the differences in different fencing schools,
which, in general, is partially comparable to the theme of the post.
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+1 Renisce 36 days ago
You can still remember Don Rumatu. He generally chopped everyone into
cabbage.
Not chopped.
“So, Aba’s brother did not select the most skilled ghters, but the thickest
and strongest ones for your arrest. And he turned out to be right. Several
dislocated hands, several crushed neck, broken teeth do not count ... and
here you are! But you couldn’t you don’t know that you are ghting for your
life. You are a master. You are undoubtedly the best sword of the Empire.
You undoubtedly sold your soul to the devil, because only in hell can you
learn these incredible, fabulous methods of battle. I’m even ready to admit
that this skill was given to you not to kill, although it’s hard to imagine why
the devil needed it condition. But let our scholastics understand this ... "
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+1 Letuchiymuha 36 days ago
The cornerstone lies in the last paragraph. On a medal and to death are two big differences.
And you will never earn real combat experience in the gym. Modern professional soldiers
will not let you lie.
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+1 Gamix 36 days ago
Fencing usually holding a dagger in the other hand .....

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0 delphin92 36 days ago
It depends on what weapons and school. A dagger (dagu) was usually used in
addition to a sword. Then only a sword entered fashion. With a different weapon
paired with a dagger somehow did not use ...
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-one Gamix 36 days ago
Xs ..... I'm not talking about school .... I'm talking about a ght to the death ....
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+1 Ancifero 36 days ago

The one who is ready to kill will win. Do not give thanks.
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+1 Gamix 36 days ago
Here is the only sensible comment ...

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0 Savelii53 35 days ago

Better old TT than judo and karate.
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0 ritd 36 days ago
Regarding the difference in physical data. If you look at the helmet and swords in the
historical museum (X-XI century), then it is not at all clear what head they are on and in
which hand. I would say 12-14 years old modern teenager. The armor looks quite puppet.
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The average knight was a little smaller than a modern man (ten kilograms lighter and
10-15 centimeters lower), but reasoning about teenagers is neither to the village, nor
to the city.
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0 ritd 35 days ago

Just go to the Moscow History Museum, look at helmets, for example, from
Gnezdovo, and then talk about the city and the village :)
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0 Ulvlars 36 days ago

Now, if we are now speaking for a duel, then according to the rules it should be held in
equal conditions. That is, either undress both of them to their pants + shirt and give the
Olympic rapier / sword / saber into their hands, and then the medieval ghter will most
likely turn into a sieve, because it is unlikely to beat the toothpick master with a toothpick
on the move. Or on both of them 20 kg of armor + 1,5kg of dryn per arm and then a
guaranteed chop from the Olympian, because they are not sharpened by natural weapons
and did not train in armor.
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google Historical Medieval Battle (HMB), please

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0 Ulvlars 36 days ago
Yes, I somehow and without his googles know that this is the case. Why are you
doing this?
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0 Altec 36 days ago
Some strange comparison. You describe the "pyramid of characteristics", abstracting from
its application.
But then bring in the argument precisely the difference in its application.
It’s the same as comparing a darts athlete with a javelin thrower. They have completely
different tasks and they will use the “pyramid" in different ways.
By the way, there is historical fencing, where the rules prescribe to naturally “hit” the enemy.
And with the “ancient master” it is necessary to compare precisely the “historical fencer”,
and not the Olympic one.
In this case, the difference between them will be only in psychological preparation
(although I would not attribute military experience here, this is still a little different).
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The historical fencer is also imprisoned under his own rules. Let them be more
approximate, but still have a lot of restrictions. As I wrote, in HEMA there are no hand-
to-hand ghting and no injuries in HMB. Not every hit counted in HEMA can do real
harm. When hit with a real blade, a deviation of the trajectory by 10 degrees from the
plane of the blade is enough - and there will be no cutting. But judges do not notice
such a tri e, of course. In SMB, there is almost no difference what side of the blade to
beat.
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+1 copoka618 36 days ago
There are no injections in the HMB due to increased trauma, but in a real battle,
trauma is needed. Although they are probably not trained at all in such a case, so
ISBshnik may remember the injections and try to conduct them, but the result will
be disappointing ... only if there are no similar injections mechanics and used
strokes
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0 rsynk 36 days ago
By the way, since we are talking about comparing ghters of different times. Can someone
tell me the name or author, a long time ago I read a fantastic story about how super-
powerful creatures had fun organizing a tournament between ghters of different types. At
one point, one decided to pull warriors from different times from Earth. There were
(predictably) a Viking, a Teutonic knight, a Novgorod ushkunik, a samurai and God knows
who else. The condition for selection was to die bravely in battle, a second before their
death they were pulled out and formed a team.
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Henry Preston
Infernal Raid, or Operation Grail
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0 rsynk 36 days ago
It. Thank you

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0 Aleskert 36 days ago

Andreyev Nikolay. "Star Platoon"
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0 rsynk 36 days ago
Thanks, but not it.

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0 Monix 36 days ago
The hunters of the red moon about this book were with a similar plot, but it's not her.
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0 MR.4LENZ 36 days ago
the ancient master, who has been in real battles many times, will surely have an
overwhelming advantage at this level.
In defense of a contemporary, I’ll say that the ancient master can also completely bewitch,
sensing against himself an atypically well-pumped physics, technology and tactics.
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+1 HappyRabbit777 36 days ago
Are you serious now? The nobleman began to study fencing and riding a horse from
the age of 4 ... every day ... and with many Brethers there were a hundred accounts ...
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0 Mvas. 92 37 days ago
Pistol
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0 rsynk 37 days ago
It would be more interesting to compare the modern commandos (without a rearm, for
example with a sapper shovel and bayonet-knife) and a medieval knight.
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+8 kamiram 36 days ago
To engage in hand-to-hand combat, a special forces soldier must:
1) Drive an automatic machine, gun, knife, waist belt, shoulder blade, body armor,
helmet on the battle eld.
2) Find a at area on which not a single stone or stick is lying.
3) Find on it the same twat.
And only after that, engage in hand-to-hand combat.

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0 Whowhatwhy 35 days ago
3) Find on it .. a knight who passed a sword, a dagger, armor, a horse and a

squire, who also passed everything
And only after that, engage in hand-to-hand combat.

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0 golio 36 days ago
What is interesting then? Fucked by commandos, in a direct collision.

And if you start the stories about ambushes and traps, then you need to compare with
200 peasant militias who will look for him, and not with a knight who will not deal with
such garbage.
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0 geran4eg 36 days ago
the entire arsenal of asasins and shinobi is at his (commando's) disposal ... provided
that there is no need to face him
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SECRET TECHNIQUES OF SHAOLIN MASTERS you forgot it seems
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0 copoka618 36 days ago
Knight in the sense of armor and with a sword / ax / hammer? Well here is clearly a
knight
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0 kamiram 35 days ago

current then a commando with a rearm :)
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0 gvsp.spb 37 days ago
I read similar comparisons. But if you look at the fencing competition, then I think the
opinion will change. Good modern fencers, I think, will be able to complete the duel within
one to two seconds, and the ancient master will tune in for a long battle.
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You can nish the match in a second, but guaranteed to nish it with your victory is
another matter. A long battle is a consequence of the fact that rivals try on for a long
time and choose the moment of attack. I do not think that the athlete will be ready to
jump on the blade with the aim of striking 0.1 seconds earlier when this is a real
weapon.
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+2 Ilushka75 36 days ago
Finish by touching the body (as in sports) and complete by killing different things. I
watched fencing competitions, 90% of victorious strikes do not even injure the
opponent, if he has at least dense skin. But for the sake of such touches they often
open, they say, I will touch 0.1 seconds earlier
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In the series “The Last Ment”, season 1, episode 32, the fencer took off his sword
or foil and killed the victim, another fencer, offering him to practice alone in the
hall. The lm is artistic and generally a comedy, but probably consultants used.
https: //thumbnails.megafon.videomore.ru/system/images/thumbs ...
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+1 BETEP0K 36 days ago
It should be understood that in addition to cases of getting into the brain / heart or
dismemberment, the affected ghter will be combat ready for another 10-30 seconds.
The ancient master, still lling all those around with bloody grubs, will spoil the
enemy's triumph until the adrenaline is released, hoping that he will then be burned
and sewn up.
So if he misses the injection, then he will die after the ght from pneumothorax, blood
loss or sepsis. And if you are very lucky, then he will simply lie feverish in a bed until he
recovers.
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Yes, the athlete must explain and train him before the duel so that he doesn’t beat
him anywhere, but in the throat, heart and other places that stop the enemy.
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0 Ukifusa 36 days ago
Lol An ancient master, attuned to a long battle. Yes of course. Real ghts lasted just a
few seconds. Waved his sword. Wrong. Died. That’s the whole battle.
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Where are the descriptions of such ghts? One can only guess. But when they
began to record, it was not uncommon:
Under Egmon-op-See on October 2, 1799 between the English dragoons and the
French cavalry. Two half-squadrons of dragoons attacked about 500 victorious
French horsemen and overturned them after a hot battle. Then the French
gathered, and they themselves went on the offensive against the British, who,
meanwhile, were reinforced with a half-squadron. The second clash took place
with melee weapons, and yet the total loss of the British in both battles extended
to only 3 killed and 9 wounded
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As you know, the fastest way to end a war is to lose it. So yes, in a sense, the modern
fencer will nish the ght very quickly.
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0 Gnzsky 37 days ago
So who is stronger - an elephant or a whale?

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+5 Harkotest 37 days ago

The Dragon.
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0 kamiram 36 days ago
king of the night

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0 Vemar 36 days ago
The sun. Natural reactor

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+1 LK9T9 36 days ago

Stas Baretsky
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+1 Yezhishe 37 days ago
and who is stronger - an elephant or a whale?
Ice.
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-one BorisoffTheBlade 36 days ago
As “experts,” they interviewed a couple of media people: a historian and a role-player. It is

clear that a ghter from the past cannot be questioned, but could the opinion of a modern
fencer be clari ed? A person directly related to the controversial issue.
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Sergei Vitalievich Ukolov is not only the “most powerful role-player”, but also a multiple
world champion in historical fencing. If he is a media person for you who is not related
to the issue, it’s even hard for me to imagine whose opinion interests you :)
But you can try to ask another famous fencer, coach and just a good person. @Surt ,
your opinion?)
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+1 Surt 35 days ago

При прочих равных (техника, физуха, реакция, рост, бодрость, мотивация,
снаряжение и.т.д.) выиграет тот, кто готов убивать и не готов умирать.
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-1 BorisoffTheBlade 36 дней назад

Историческое фехтование... Это не спорт и не бой насмерть. Это попытка
понарошку воспроизвести то, что якобы (насколько можно судить) некогда
было. Но Вы призываете всерьёз оценивать мнения "специалистов" в этом
деле?
Меня бы интересовало мнение Алексея Якименко, например
https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Якименко,_Алексей_Андреевич
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-1 PavleB 36 дней назад
Зависит от того, где они встретятся - на олимпийской "фехтовальной дорожке" со

спортивными шпагами, на ринге в перчатках, на турнире по исб в каком-то из
раундов 1-на-1, в массовой сходке на Русборге или же в чистом поле с желанием
убить друг друга. В последнем случае современный просто достаёт "Сайгу"...
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-1 DarthBait 36 дней назад

Все логично "древний мастер" натренирован убивать, а не зарабатывать очки по
правилам.
Но вот что интересно, а если против мастера будет два спортсмена? Насколько это
нивелирует преимущество мастера в психологии, тактике и технике.
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-1 kusak 36 дней назад
Не совсем корректно сравнивать спортсмена и практика. Если взять например

огнестрел то подготовленный военный выиграет у спортсмена в задаче убить
противника. По холодному оружию думаю древний мастер будет выигрывать из-за
огромной практики, современный (коих сейчас единицы) - по технике, тактике и
психологии - и не факт, что последний проиграет.
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-1 Voron53rus 36 дней назад

Всё зависит от условий поединка. Поставьте в лесу на расстоянии в 2 км друг
против друга сферического в вакууме рыцаря и бойца из развед роты с сапёрной
лопатой в руках - через 40-50 часов вы получите отрубленную голову у заснувшего
изголодавшегося рыцаря. Зачем вообще такие сравнения?
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+1 gvsp.spb 36 дней назад
Не. Бойца разведроты на вилы поднимут крестьяне рыцаря. Ибо самому ему
западло хрен знает с кем драться.
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-1 Voron53rus 36 дней назад

По такой логике за разведротой стоит дивизион РСЗО и богам войны
вообще поебать кого в ад отправлять экспрессом.
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-1 dromb 37 дней назад
я честно считаю что у древнего мастера нет шанса. Посмотрите хотя бы на бокс и
борьбу 100 лет назад и сравните с техникой и скоростью современных спортсменов.
Разница в силе, скорости, взрывной силе и техники несравнима. Обычный
современный разрядник убьет за первые 1.5 минуты любого чемпиона мира
правившего 100 лет назад. С фехтованием тоже самое.
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+6 vladtsvs 37 дней назад

и тем не менее, в драке в подворотне спортсмен против гопника, побеждает
далеко не всегда спортсмен
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+3 0p51k 36 дней назад
Поэтому нам нужна статистика. Надо где-то раздобыть, скажем, сотню тех
и сотню других.
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0 lzpl 36 дней назад
Но тут многое решает элемент внезапности. Если б дело происходило на

ринге, то из графика сделают фарш.
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+11 jesuit 37 дней назад

Прямым текстом написано что главное преимущество древнего мастера в том
что бой на смерть, а вы в качестве аналогии приводите боксерский поединок
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+11 obitatel.pustoty 37 дней назад

Ты прав в одном - любой современный спецподразделенец убьет древнего
"мастера меча" после получения приказа в установленные приказом сроки.
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0 Lloud 36 дней назад
Ну автомат - это же чит)

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+6 SpaceWizard 37 дней назад
Вами написанное если и может иметь смысл в отношении к каким-нибудь

камзольным шпагам, то ко многому другому оружию - точно нет.
У меня есть сильное подозрение что, например, Йоханнес Лихтенауэр (да
упокоит Господь его буйную шевелюру) умыл бы в крови любого современного
фехтовальщика из первых строчек HEMA-турниров.
Просто потому что традиция длинного меча прерывалась. И мы пытаемся её
восстановить... по записям учеников Лихтенауэра.
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+1 HappyRabbit777 36 дней назад
Не думайте, что предки дураки и слабаки были... смотрел как то передачу

разрушители легенд, где они замеряли силу удара мечём-разрубит не разрубит
тушу с одногл удара...так у них фигня какая-то получалась, пока не обратились к
какому то реконструктору-историку, который сказал что во время удара
большим пальцем меч как то по особому подкручивать надо...и его удар совсем
не крупных габаритов мужика оказался вдвое более мощным, чем максимум,
которого они добились до этого...
И тот же клим жуков, рассказывал, про графа, который вскакивал в доспехах на
лошадь не касаясь стремени... и что у современных реконструкторов такое хуй
получается, тк это надо ожеть доспех лет с 5 и тренироваться каждый день...
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-2 Apaxa 36 дней назад
Чушь не городите.
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-2 Dogmat83 36 дней назад
Есть пару пожеланий для будущих статьей. Кто победит Годзилла или Кинг Конг.
Терминатор-жидкий терминатор, Робокоп-робокоп цыпленок.
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-2 Izk0 36 дней назад
Почему-то никто не заметил, что если сравнивать двух противников одного

возраста, к примеру, лет 40, то, вероятно, "древний мастер" уже мёртв до начала боя.
Хотя и оставил после себя десяток внуков.
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-2 Trolleibus10101 36 дней назад
Зачем я это прочитал?

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