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Report of the Committee on Steven T. Gentry, Worthington Cylinder Corp., OH [M]
Liquefied Petroleum Gases
Al Linder, Chair
Watsonville, CA [SE]
Theodore C. Lemoff, Secretary (Nonvoting)
National Fire Protection Association, MA
James C. Belke, US Environmental Protection Agency, DC [E]
Paul N. Bogan, Sea-3, Incorporated, NH [U]
Victor Bogosian, Jr., National Board of Boiler & Pressure Vessel Inspectors,
OH [E]
Ronald G. Brunner, Gas Processors Association, OK [M] Rep. Gas Processors Alt. to Richard L. Gilbert
Association
Alberto Jose Fossa, MDJ Consultores Associados S/C Ltda, Brasil [SE]
Rep. NFPA Latin American Section
Richard G. Fredenburg, State of North Carolina, NC [E] Wesley W. Hayes,
Polk County Fire Services Division, FL [E]
Rep. International Fire Marshals Association
Richard L. Gilbert, Railroad Commission of Texas, TX [E]
Wesley W. Hayes, Polk County Fire Services Division, FL [E]
Rep. International Fire Marshals Association
Richard A. Hoffmann, Hoffmann & Feige, NY [SE]
Stanley T. Kastanas, US Department of Transportation, DC [E]
Hugh F. Keepers, Texas A&M University System, TX [SE]
James P. Lewis, Project Technical Liaison Associates, Inc., TX [SE]
Roger L. Maxon, BernzOmatic Division of Newell Rubbermaid, NY [M]
Rep. Compressed Gas Association
William B. McHenry, Pro-Gas Sales & Service Company, MI [IM]
Rep. National Propane Gas Association
Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Company, IL [M]
Rep. National Propane Gas Association
Gerry E. Misel, Jr., Georgia Gas Distributors, Inc., GA [IM]
Rep. National Propane Gas Association
Frank J. Mortimer, EMC Insurance Company, IA [I]
Rep. Alliance of American Insurers
Vicki OʼNeil, State of Florida, FL [E]
Harold L. (Butch) Phillippi, ExxonMobil Corporation, VA [M]
Rep. American Petroleum Institute
Phani K. Raj, Technology & Management Systems, Inc., MA [SE]
Ronald A. Schultz, GE Global Asset Protection Services, MI [I]
(Note: Mr. Schultz was added to the TC after the initial ballot, and therefore on the text of this edition. Since that time, changes in the membership may
voted on Comments 58-20, 58-39, 58-45, 58-46, 58-48, 58-50, 58-60, 58-64,
58-70, 58-76, 58-85, 58-89, 58-91, 58-150, 58-199, 58-227 and 58-238)
James H. Stannard, Jr., Stannard & Company, GA [SE]
Joseph A. Sternola, Permagas, Inc., WA [IM]
Rep. Propane Gas Association of Canada
Scott A. Stookey, Phoenix Fire Department, AZ [E]
Ramon S. Miguel Villarreal Reza, Equipos Para Gas S.A. de C. V. ≠Mexico, Liquefied Petroleum Gases, and documents its action on the comments
Mexico [IM]
Rep. Asociación Mexicana de Distribuidores de Gas
Frank R. Volgstadt, Volgstadt and Associates, OH [M]
Rep. Plastics Pipe Institute
William J. Young, Superior Energy Systems, Ltd., OH [M]
Robert A. Zeman, Underwriters Laboratories Inc., IL [RT]
Herbert F. Zepp, Smith & Norrington Engineering Corp., NH [SE]
Alternates
Donald Barber, Enmat International (UK), United Kingdom [SE]
Alt. to James H. Stannard
Sharon E. Coates, State of Arkansas, AR [E]
Alt. to Vicki OʼNeil
Carlos de León, Flama Gas, S.A. de C.V., Mexico [IM]
Alt. to Ramon S. Miguel Villarreal Reza
Alexi I. Dimopoulos, ExxonMobil Corporation, VA [M]
Alt. to Harold L. (Butch) Phillippi
Kenneth Faulhaber, Ferrellgas, MO [IM]
Alt. to William B. McHenry
James R. Freeman, III, Freeman Gas & Electric, Inc., SC [IM]
Alt. to Gerry E. Misel
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Alt. to Roger L. Maxon
Swapan Kumar Hazra, Hindustan Aegis LPG Bottling Co., Ltd., India [U]
Alt. to Paul N. Bogan
John W. King, Federated Mutual Insurance Company, MN [I]
Alt. to Frank J. Mortimer
Bill Mahre, Propane Technical Services, MN [SE]
Alt. to Al Linder
R. Craig Matthiessen, US Environmental Protecton Agency, DC [E]
Alt. to James C. Belke
Eugene F. Palermo, Plastics Pipe Institute, DC [M]
Alt. to Frank R. Volgstadt
Stephen L. Pitner, Railroad Commission of Texax
Mark F. Sutton, Gas Processors Association, OK [M]
Alt. to Ronald G. Brunner
Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association, IL [IM]
Alt. to Samuel E. McTier
Richard C. Ward, Atlanta Gas Light Company, GA [IM]
Voting Alt. to AGA Rep.
Thomas A. Wilson, Reedy Creek Improvement District, FL [E]
Alt. to Wesley W. Hayes
Edgar Wolff-Klammer, Underwriters Laboratories Inc., IL [RT]
Alt. to Robert A. Zeman
Nonvoting
Donald W. Switzer, US Consumer Product Safety Commission, MD [C]
Member Emeritus
John A. Cedervall, Deerfield, IL
Staff Liaison: Theodore C. Lemoff
Committee Scope: This Committee shall have primary responsibility for docu-
ments on the design, construction, installation, and operation of fixed and por-
table liquefied petroleum gas systems in bulk plants and commercial, industrial
(with specified exceptions), institutional, and similar properties; truck transpor-
tation of liquefied petroleum gas; engine fuel systems on motor vehicles and
other mobile equipment; storage of containers awaiting use or resale; installa-
tion on commercial vehicles; and liquefied petroleum gas service stations.
This list represents the membership at the time the Committee was balloted
have occurred. A key to classifications is found at the front of this book.
This portion of the Technical Committee Report of the Committee on
Liquefied Petroleum Gases is presented for adoption.
This Report on Comments was prepared by the Technical Committee on
received on its Report on Proposals on NFPA 58, Liquefied Petroleum Gas
Code, 2001 edition, as published in the Report on Proposals for the 2003
November Meeting.
This Report on Comments has been submitted to letter ballot of the Technical
Committee on Liquefied Petroleum Gases, which consists of 31 voting mem-
bers. The results of the balloting, after circulation of any negative votes, can
be found in the report.
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Comment section and paragraph numbers have been renumbered to match
the draft prepring of the 2004 edition of NFPA 58, avilable from the NFPA
home page.
Comments submitted with section and paragraph numbers based on the 2001
edition have these numbers following the draft section and paragraph number
with the identifier “old”.
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58-1 Log #28 Final Action: Accept
( Entire Document )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: NPGA recommends rejection of the proposal to require SI
units as the primary units in the document.
Substantiation: The propane industry relies on its members to safely conduct
operations, such as filling containers. Workers in the U.S. are familiar with
English units and a switch to S.I. units would present problems and possibly
have a negative impact on the safe filling of containers.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-2 Log #2 Final Action: Reject
( 1-5 [1-1.4 Old] )
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Submitter: Bill Mahre, Propane Technical Services
Comment on Proposal No:58-4
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
Unless otherwise specified, the provisions of this code shall not apply to
facilities, equipment, appliances, structures, or installations or procedures that
existed or were approved for construction or installation prior to the effective
date of the code. Equipment and appliances include stocks in manufacturersʼ
storage, distribution warehouses, and dealersʼ storage and showrooms
in compliance with the provisions of this code in effect at the time of
manufacture. Where specified, the provisions of this code shall be retroactive.
Substantiation: The addition of the word ʻproceduresʼ more accurately
describes the items covered in this part of the code. Examples of procedures
are: 1.3 LP-Gas Odorization; 1.5 Qualification of Personnel; 1.6 Ammonia
Contamination; 4.2.1 Transfer Personnel; 6.6.2 Parking; etc.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The committee does not believe that procedures
should be retroactive.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-3 Log #231 Final Action: Accept
( Chapter 3 [1-7 Old] )
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Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Chapter 1 - General Provisions, 1.7 Definitions: add
“Maximum Allowable Working Pressure” or “MAWP” The maximum pressure
at which a pressure vessel is to operate as described by ASME add “Minimum
Design metal Temperature” or “MDMT” as described by ASME
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-4 Log #248 Final Action: Accept
( 3.3.10 Bulk Plant )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Edit definition to read as follows:
3.3.10* Bulk Plant. A facility, where the primary purpose function of which
is the storage and to store distribution of LP-Gas prior to further distribution.,
that receives LP-Gas is received by cargo tank vehicle, railroad tank car,
or piping, and then distributeding this gas by portable container (package)
delivery, by cargo tank vehicle, or through gas piping.
Substantiation: Editorial changes to clarify intent.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
3.3.10* Bulk Plant. A facility, where the primary purpose function of which
is the storage and to store distribution of LP-Gas prior to further distribution.
that receives LP-Gas is received by cargo tank vehicle, railroad tank car,
or piping pipeline, and then distributeding this gas by portable container
(package) delivery, by cargo tank vehicle, or through gas piping
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Committee Statement: Accepted, and pipeline is substituted for piping.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-5 Log #249 Final Action: Accept
( 3.3.11 Cargo Tank )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Edit definition to read as follows:
3.3.11 Cargo Tank. A container that is used to transport LP-Gas over a
highway as liquid cargo and is either is mounted on a conventional truck
chassis or is an integral part of a cargo transporting vehicle in which the
container constitutes in whole, or in part, the stress member used as a frame.
Substantiation: Editorial Clarification
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-6 Log #250 Final Action: Accept
( 3.3.15 Container Appurtenances )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Edit definition to read as follows:
Container Appurtenances. Devices connected to installed in container
openings for safety, control, or operating purposes.
Substantiation: Editorial clarification.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-7 Log #251 Final Action: Accept
( 3.3.20 Dispenser, Vehicle )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Edit definition to read as follows:
3.3.20 Dispenser, Vehicle. A device or system designed to transfer and
measure LP-Gas into engine fuel and mobile containers on vehicles.
Substantiation: The definition should be moved back to the original location
because it is a more logical location. The proposal clarifies that the vehicle
fuel dispenser can be used to fill portable containers as well.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-8 Log #252 Final Action: Accept
( 3.3.25.1 Fixed Liquid Level Gauge )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Edit definition to read as follows:
3.3.25.1 Fixed Liquid Level Gauge. A liquid level indicator that
uses a positive shutoff vent valve to indicate that the liquid level in a
container being filled has reached the minimum point at which the indicator
communicates with the liquid level in the container.
Substantiation: Editorial Clarification
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-9 Log #3 Final Action: Reject
( 3-3.46 Overfilling Prevention Device [1-7.49 Old] )
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Submitter: Bill Mahre, Propane Technical Services
Comment on Proposal No:58-8
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
Overfilling Prevention Device. (OPD) A safety device that is designed to
provide an a secondary automatic means to prevent the filling of a container in
excess of the maximum permitted filling limit.
Substantiation: The addition of the acronym (OPD) will better describe the
term used in the industry and the public consumer.
The addition of the word ʻsecondaryʼ is consistent with the description used
in 4.4.3.5 and A4.4.3.5.
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Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The term OPD is used in chapter 11 for engine fuel
containers, and the proposed change in the definition is inconsistent with the
use in Chapter 11. Also, the definition should define the device, not its use.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-10 Log #253 Final Action: Reject
( 3.3.47 Overpressure Shutoff Device )
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Note: The Ballot on this Comment did not receive the required two-thirds
affirmative vote of the Committee, but the comment is still rejected
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Edit definition to read as follows:
3.3.47 Overpressure Shutoff Device. A device that shuts off the flow of
LP-Gas vapor through a regulator when the outlet pressure of the regulator
reaches a predetermined maximum allowable pressure.
Substantiation: This editorial change will make clear that the term defined as
an overpressure shutoff device refers to a part of the regulator and it shuts off
the flow through the regulator.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The overpressure shutoff device can be a separate
device, which would not be allowed under the proposed definition.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 12 Negative: 15
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
BOGAN: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment. I feel that the committee needs
to re-group and take a second look at this item.
BRUNNER: Refer to McTierʼs comment.
FAULHABER: I cite Sam McTierʼs arguments for reconsidering these
items.
HAYES: This should be looked at again and reconsidered.
HOFFMAN: It is my understanding that significant issues exist with this
item and it should be revisited.
KEEPERS: Overpressure shutoff devices. This can be separate device not
necessarily part of a regulator. This needs some review.
LEWIS: I concur with Mr. McTier.
MAXON: A separate device as opposed to integral part should be
considered.
MCTIER: This comment addressed the definition of an overpressure shutoff
device as follows:
“3.3.47 Overpressure Shutoff Device. A device that shuts off the flow of
LP-Gas vapor through a regulator when the outlet pressure of the regulator
reaches a predetermined maximum allowable pressure.”
The Committee Meeting Action was to reject and the Committee statement
was as follows:
“The overpressure shutoff device can be a separate device, which would not
be allowed under the proposed definition.”
The reason for rejecting this comment by the Committee is not valid as a
separate overpressure shutoff device that is installed downstream of a regulator
shuts off the flow through the regulator when activated. An overpressure
shutoff device shuts off the flow through the regulator whether it is integral
with the regulator or is installed as separate device downstream of the
regulator. This should be reconsidered by the Committee and 58-10 should be
accepted.
MISEL: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
MORTIMER: This should be looked at again and reconsidered.
PHILLIPPI: The reason for rejecting this comment is not valid. A separate
overpressure shutoff device that is installed downstream of a regulator shuts
off the flow through the regulator when activated. An overpressure shutoff
device shuts off the flow through the regulator whether it is integral with the
regulator or is installed as a separate downstream of the regulator. Acceptance
should be reconsidered by the Committee.
STANNARD: The code would be much improved if the commentorʼs
original language had been accepted.
STERNOLA: This comment addressed the definition of an overpressure
shutoff device as follows:
“3.3.47 Overpressure Shutoff Device. A device that shuts off the flow of
LP-Gas vapor through a regulator when the outlet pressure of the regulator
reaches a predetermined maximum allowable pressure.”
The Committee Meeting Action was to reject and the Committee statement
was as follows:
“The overpressure shutoff device can be a separate device, which would not
be allowed under the proposed definition.”
The reason for rejecting this comment by the Committee is not valid as a
separate overpressure shutoff device that is installed downstream of a regulator
shuts off the flow through the regulator when activated. An overpressure
shutoff device shuts off the flow through the regulator whether it is integral
with the regulator or is installed as separate device downstream of the
regulator. This should be reconsidered by the Committee and 58-10 should be
accepted.
VOLGSTADT: Refer to McTierʼs comment.
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58-11 Log #4 Final Action: Accept
( 3-3.54 Pressure Relief Device [1-7.57 Old] )
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Submitter: Bill Mahre, Propane Technical Services
Comment on Proposal No:58-8
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
A device designed to open to prevent a rise of internal fluid pressure in
excess of a specified value due to emergency or abnormal conditions.
Substantiation: A pressure relief will operate in a vapor or fluid. The more
common term for relief devices where the fluid pressure exceeds the set point
is a ʻHydrostatic Relief Valveʼ. A description of this type of valve appears in
2.4.7 and 3.2.21. The striking of the word ʻfluidʼ will accurately describe the
intent of the paragraph.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-12 Log #5 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 3.3.60.4 Integral 2-psi Service Regulator [1.7.62.4 Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bill Mahre, Propane Technical Services
Comment on Proposal No:58-8
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
A pressure regulator for LP-Gas vapor service that combines a high pressure
regulator and a 2-psi service regulator into a single unit.
Substantiation: The addition of the words ʻLP-Gas vapor systemʼ is
consistent with the terms used in 1.7.62.2; 1.7.62.6; 1.7.62.7; 1.7.62.8;
1.7.62.9; and 1.7.62.10.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: This has already been done in the preprint
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-13 Log #6 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 3-3.60.4 Integral Two-Stage Regulator [1-7.62.5 Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bill Mahre, Propane Technical Services
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
A pressure regulator for LP-Gas vapor service that combines a high pressure
regulator and a 2-psi service regulator into a single unit.
Substantiation: The addition of the words ʻLP-Gas vapor systemʼ is
consistent with the terms used in 1.7.62.2; 1.7.62.6; 1.7.62.7; 1.7.62.8;
1.7.62.9; and 1.7.62.10.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: This has been accomplished in the preprint.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-14 Log #254 Final Action: Accept
( 3.3.60.9 Two-Stage Regulator System )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Edit definition to read as follows:
3.3.60.9 Two-Stage Regulator System. An LP-Gas vapor delivery system
that combines a first-stage regulator and a second-stage regulator(s), or utilizes
a separate integral two stage regulator.
Substantiation: The present definition indicates that an integral two stage
regulator could be combined with a first-stage regulator which is false. There
is no preference involved
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-15 Log #7 Final Action: Reject
( 3-3.64.8 Internal Valve [1-7.71.4 Old] )
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Submitter: Bill Mahre, Propane Technical Services
Comment on Proposal No:58-39
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
Internal Valve. A container primary shutoff valve whose seat and seat disc
remain inside the container so that damage to parts exterior to the container or
mating flange does not prevent effective sealing of the valve and that has the
following features: (1) provision for the addition of a means of remote closure,
and (2) a means of thermal closure, and (3) automatic shutoff when the flow
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through the valve exceeds its maximum flow capacity or when pump action
differential pressure drops to a predetermined point.
Substantiation: The addition of term ʻmeans of thermal closureʼ is consistent
with the descriptions used in 2.3.3.2(b)(2) which requires internal valves with
thermal actuation by July 1, 2003; 2.3.3.2(b)(4); 3.2.18.2. This additional
description will provide information to the installer and operator of the
requirement for thermal protection.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The proposed revision would change the intent of the
committee on what features are needed in an internal valve.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-16 Log #255 Final Action: Accept
( 3.3.68.4 Internal Valve )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Edit definition to read as follows:
3.3.68.4* Internal Valve. A container primary shutoff valve whose which
exhibits the having the following characteristics:
(1) The seat and seat disc remain inside the container so that damage to parts
exterior to the container or mating flange does not prevent effective sealing of
the valve;
(2) The valve is designed for the addition of a means for remote closure and is
also designed for automatic shutoff when the flow through the valve exceeds
its maximum rated flow capacity or when pump actuation differential pressure
drops to a predetermined point.
Substantiation: Editorial clarification. In the current definition, “whose” is a
personal pronoun and its use in NFPA 58 constitutes archaic language.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
3.3.68.4* Internal Valve. A container primary shutoff valve whose which
exhibits the having the following features:
(1) The seat and seat disc remain inside the container so that damage to parts
exterior to the container or mating flange does not prevent effective sealing of
the valve;
(2) The valve is designed for the addition of a means for remote closure and is
also designed for automatic shutoff when the flow through the valve exceeds
its maximum rated flow capacity or when pump actuation differential pressure
drops to a predetermined point.
Committee Statement: Accepted with an editorial change.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-17 Log #256 Final Action: Accept
( 3.3.69.1 Burner Vaporizing (or Vaporizer Burner or Self-Vaporizing Liquid
Burner) )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Revise definition to read as follows:
3.3.69.1 Burner Vaporizing (or Vaporizer Burner or Vaporizing Burner
(Self-Vaporizing Liquid Burner). A burner that also vaporizes liquid LP-gas
prior to burning it.
Substantiation: Editorial clarification. The correct words are “Vaporizing
Burner” as shown in the text in 5.6.6 and 6.20.5. “Vaporizing Burner” is also
used in the field. The proposed definition is succinct and removes the twisted
language.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-18 Log #257 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 3.3.71 Volumetric Filling, Volumetric Method )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Revise definition to read as follows:
3.3.71 1.7.73 Volumetric Filling, Volumetric Method. Filling a container
by determination of to not more than the maximum permitted liquid level of
propane. LP-Gas in the container.
Substantiation: This editorial change will clarify that the requirements for
volumetric filling of containers in Chapter 7 refer to the maximum permitted
liquid level that is computed based on the volume tables in Chapter 7.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise definition to read as follows:
3.3.71 Filling, Volumetric Method. Filling a container to not more than the
maximum permitted liquid volume.
Committee Statement: The definition is revised to truly define volumetric
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filling.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-19 Log #258 Final Action: Accept
( 3.3.74 Filling, Weight Method Filling )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Revise definition to read as follows:
3.3.74 Filling, Weight Method Filling. Filling containers to not more than the
maximum permitted filling limit by weighing the LP-Gas in the container.
Substantiation: This editorial change to the definition will correlate well
with the definition for volumetric filling.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-20 Log #259 Final Action: Accept
( 4.5.2 )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
4.5.2 When any equipment has been converted from ammonia service to
propane service, the LP-Gas shall be tested. The initial fill of LP-Gas in a
transportation or storage system that has been converted from ammonia to LP-
gas service shall be tested for ammonia contamination prior to being used or
transferred from that system.
Substantiation: The revised version that is similar to the requirement shown
in 1-1.1 of the 1998 Edition explains what has to be done and why. What is
vague is the revision to the code for the 2001 Edition of NFPA 58 that was not
noticed by the Committee.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
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58-21 Log #25 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 4.6 )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-3
Recommendation: Revise Committee Action as follows:
Based on the Preprint in the ROP, insert a new Section 4.6 as follows:
4.6* Minimum Requirements. For any purpose or application addressed
within the scope of this code, should the minimum requirements of the code
be met, additional features or components of equipment not prohibited by the
code shall be permitted to be used.
Add a new paragraph in Annex A:
A.4.6 The installation of safety enhancing equipment that is not otherwise
required by this code is permitted by the code to be used. This includes
any device that performs a safety related function even though the device
is designed or named to perform a required function. For example, an
“emergency shutoff valve” (ESV) is installed in a location where it is not
required to provide all the safety functions of an ESV. Even though the
installer uses it to provide a specific feature that may be common to all ESVʼs,
the code would still not require compliance with all of the ESV provisions, for
example the closing requirements, described in Section 2.4.5.4.
Substantiation: The NFPA 58 Technical Committee is correct that Chapter
1 is not the appropriate place for this proposal. The text is proposed to be
moved to the new chapter 4 to ensure it applies to the entire code and not just
chapter 3.
This proposal will support the long standing concept that the requirements
of NFPA 58 do not prevent the use or installation of equipment which may
exceed the performance required by the code. For example, a bulk plant
operator may wish to install a device, such as a valve, that achieves a greater
level of safety than the code requires for a particular installation. The bulk
plant operator should be free to exceed the requirements of the code to the
degree desired without being penalized by the authority having jurisdiction.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Add text to read as follows:
4.6* Minimum Requirements. For any purpose or application addressed
within the scope of this code, where the minimum requirements of the code
are met, additional features or components of equipment not prohibited by the
code shall be permitted to be used.
Add a new paragraph in Annex A:
A.4.6 The installation of safety enhancing equipment that is not otherwise
required by this code is permitted by the code to be used. This includes
any device that performs a safety related function even though the device
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is designed or named to perform a required function. For example, an 6.6.5 temporary container installation
“emergency shutoff valve” (ESV) is installed in a location where it is not 6.6.6 installation of UG and mounded
required to provide all the safety functions of an ESV. Even though the containers
installer uses it to provide a specific feature that may be common to all ESVʼs, 6.6.7 installation of containers on
the code would still not require compliance with all of the ESV provisions, for roofs of buildings
example the closing requirements, described in Section 2.4.5.4. 5.7 container appurtenances 6.7 installation of container appurte-
Committee Statement: Accepted with an editorial revision. nances
Number Eligible to Vote: 30 5.7.1 general 6.7.1 RESERVED
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27 5.7.2 pressure relief devices 6.7.2 installation of pressure relief
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD devices
5.7.3 regulators 6.7.3 selection of pressure regulators
5.7.4 pipe for regulator vent- 6.7.4 regulator installation
_______________________________________________________________ ing
58-22 Log #CC40 Final Action: Reject 5.7.5 OPD
( Chapter 5 and Chapter 6 ) 5.7.6 container connections
_______________________________________________________________ and appurtenances
Note: Since the ballot on this Comment did not confirm the Committee 5.7.7 liquid level gauging
Action, the comment is being rejected. devices
Submitter: Technical Committee on Liquefied Petroleum Gases 5.7.8 pressure gauges
Comment on Proposal No:58-1 5.7.9 other container connec-
Recommendation: Revise Chapter 5 and 6 per the following: tions
5.7.10 container appurtenance
protection
5.8 piping (including hose), 6.8 piping systems
Alignment of NFPA 58, 2004 Edition, To Match Equipment fittings, and valves
5.8.1 general 6.8.1 piping system service limitations
Descriptions (Chapter 5) with Installation Requirements (Chapter 6) 5.8.2 RESERVED 6.8.2 sizing of LP-Gas vapor piping
5.1 scope 6.1 scope
5.2 containers 6.2 location of containers systems
5.2.1 general 6.2.1 (outside of buildings) 5.8.3 pipe 6.8.3 installation of metallic pipe, tub-
5.2.2 container design or ser- 6.2.2 (in buildings for following ing, and fittings
vice pressure applications) 5.8.4 tubing 6.8.4 polyamide and polyethylene
5.2.3 ASME container open- pipe, tubing, and fittings
ings 5.8.5 (valves in polyethylene 6.8.5 valves in polyamide and poly-
5.2.4 portable container appur- piping systems) (prior 5.4.5.6) ethylene piping systems
tenance phys damage 5.8.6 fittings for pipe and 6.8.6 RESERVED
5.2.5 containers with attached tubing
supports 5.8.7 hose, quick connectors, 6.8.7 flexible connectors
5.2.6 container marking hose connections, flexible con-
5.3 Reserved 6.3 container separation distances nectors
6.3.1 (see tables for separation 5.9 internal valves 6.9 internal valves
requirements) 6.9.1
6.3.2 (reduced separation for redun- 6.9.2
dant fail-safe) 6.9.3
6.3.3 (reduce separation for single 6.9.4
1000) 5.10 valves other than con- 6.10 emergency shutoff valves
6.3.4 (minimum distances for UG)
6.3.5 (separation reduced for gas tainer valves
6.10.1
manf.) 6.10.2
6.3.6 (separation for multi small con-
tainers) 6.10.3
6.3.7 (separation from relief valves) 6.10.4
6.3.8 (cylinders shall not be under- 6.10.5
neath buildings) 6.10.6
6.3.9 (relief valve to opening) 6.10.7
6.3.10 (separation based on table 6.10.8
6.3.9) 6.10.9
6.3.11 (separation for access to UG
tanks) 6.10.10
6.3.12 (separation for overhangs) 6.10.11
5.4 RESERVED 6.4 other container location require- 5.11 hydrostatic relief valves 6.11 hydrostatic relief valve instal-
ments lation
6.4.1 (>4000 gal per incident preven- 5.12 RESERVED 6.12 testing piping systems
6.12.1
tion review)
6.4.2 (>12,000 gal group fire protec- 6.12.2
tion) 5.13 RESERVED 6.13 areas of heavy snowfall
6.4.3 (reduce separation for 3.11.3 5.14 RESERVED 6.14 corrosion protection
6.14.1
and 3.11.4 *missing)
6.4.4 (UG and mounded separation) 6.14.2
6.4.5 additional container installation 5.15 equipment 6.15 equipment installation
5.15.1 general 6.15.1 Reserved
requirements 5.15.2 pumps 6.15.2 Pump Installation
6.4.6 (refrigerated impoundment) 5.15.3 compressors 6.15.3 Compressor Installation
6.4.7 (structures around nonrefriger- 5.15.4 Reserved 6.15.4 Installation of Strainers
5.15.5 meters 6.15.5 Installation of Meters
ated) 5.15.6engines
5.5 RESERVED 6.5 location of transfer operations
6.5.1 (transfers outdoors or in special 5.15.6 sight flow indicators
buildings) 5.16 RESERVED 6.16 bulk plant and industrial LP-Gas
6.5.2 (point of transfer) systems
6.5.3 (separation between transfer and 6.16.1 operations & maintenance
exposures) 6.16.2 installation of liquid transfer
5.6 RESERVED 6.6 installation of containers facilities
6.6.1 general requirements 6.16.3 installation of gas distribution
6.6.2 installation of cylinders facilities
6.6.3 installation of horizontal AG 6.16.4 installation of electrical equip-
ASME containers ment
6.6.4 installation of vertical ASME 6.16.5 security and protection against
containers tampering
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5.17 RESERVED
5.18 appliances
5.19 vaporizers, tank heaters,
vaporizing burners, gas-air
mixers
5.19.1 RESERVED
5.19.2 indirect vaporizers
5.19.3 direct-fired vaporizers
5.19.4 direct gas-fired tank
heaters
5.19.5 vaporizing burners
5.19.6 waterbath vaporizers
5.19.7 Reserved
5.19.8 gas-air mixers
5.19.9 vaporizer pressure
relief valve
NFPA 58
6.21 LP-Gas
6.20.3 other sources
systemsofonignition
vehicles
6.16.7 ignition source control (other than engine fuel systems)
6.21.1 application
6.17 LP-Gas systems in buildings or
6.21.2 non-application
on building roofs or exterior balconies
6.17.1 application 6.21.3 container installation require-
6.17.2 additional equipment require- ments
6.21.4 equipment installation
ments for cylinders, equipment, pip-
6.21.5 appliance installation
ing, and appliances used in buildings,
6.21.6 general precautions
building roofs, and exterior balconies
6.17.3 installation requirements for 6.21.7 parking, servicing, and repair
cylinders, equipment, piping, and 6.22 vehicle fuel dispenser and dis-
appliances in buildings, building pensing stations
6.22.1 application
roofs, and exterior balconies
6.17.4 buildings under construction or 6.22.2 location
undergoing major renovation 6.22.3 general installation provisions
6.17.5 buildings undergoing minor 6.22.4 installation of vehicle fuel
renovation when frequented by the dispensers
public 6.23 fire protection
6.17.6 buildings housing industrial 6.23.1 application
occupancies 6.23.2 planning
6.17.7 buildings housing educational 6.23.3 protection of ASME containers
and institutional occupancies 6.23.4 other protection requirements
6.17.8 temporary heating and food
service appliances in buildings in 6.23.5 special protection
emergencies 6.23.6 water spray systems
6.17.9 use in buildings for demonstra- 6.24 alternate provisions for installa-
tions or training, and use of small tion of ASME containers
cylinders 6.24.1 scope
6.17.10 use in building for flame 6.24.2 spacing requirements
effects before a proximate audience 6.24.3 ASME container appurtenances
6.17.11 liquid LP-Gas piped into 6.24.4 redundant fail-safe product
buildings and structures control
6.18 installation of appliances 6.24.5 low emission transfer
6.18.1 application
6.18.2 hose for portable
appliances(from 6.11)
6.19 vaporizer installation
6.19.1 application
6.19.2 installation of indirect-fired
vaporizers
6.19.3 installation of direct-fired
vaporizers
6.19.4 installation of tank heaters
6.19.5 installation of vaporizing burn-
ers
6.19.6 installation of waterbath vapor-
izers
6.19.7 installation of electric vapor-
izers
6.19.8 installation of gas-air mixers
6.20 ignition source control
6.20.1 scope
6.20.2 electrical equipment
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Substantiation: The chapters are reorganized to allign section numbers to
cover the same subjects in chapter 6. No technical changes were made.
This restructuring does not inculde revisions made in other comments and the
NFPA editorial staff is requested to incorporate them.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 22 Negative: 3 Abstain: 2
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
MAXON: I feel this item needs further review by the full committee.
PHILLIPPI: This comment covers matching Chapter 5 “Equipment
Descriptions” with Chapter 6 “Installation Requirements” and was accepted
by the Committee without receiving a finished product. Out of 156 potential
matches of sections and subsections between Chapter 5 and Chapter 6,
there are only 30 matches shown in the finished table that match equipment
descriptions with installation requirements. Suggest reversal of the Committee
decision and vote against this comment and reject it.
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
Comment on Affirmative:
FREDENBURG: The realignment was a tedious effort that I spent a lot of
time on. Even then, not being able to see a printed version of the involved
chapters and how this alignment works leaves some doubt in my mind,
and I am the one most familiar with it. Sam makes a good point about the
committee being asked to approve it without seeing it. I think it will work, but
allowing the committee to see the realigned chapters would reassure everyone.
Explanatin of Abstention:
MCTIER: I have concerns over the renumbering of Chapters 5 and 6.
Therefore I change my vote from negative to abstain.
MIZEL: Concur with Mr. McTier.
_______________________________________________________________
58-23 Log #260 Final Action: Accept
( 5.1 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: This chapter shall apply to:
(1) Individual components and components shop-fabricated into
subassemblies, container assemblies, and complete container systems.
(2) The field assembly of components, subassemblies, container assemblies,
or complete container systems into complete LP-Gas systems. (See 3.3.35,
LP-Gas System.)
Substantiation: As a matter of style throughout most of the code, Section
titles are listed with no added copy on the same line. Copy is added in the
next line below the title. This is also true in most cases for subsection titles
when multiple paragraphs follow the title. We should be consistent in this style
rather than going back and forth; therefore, sections and subsections where
necessary have been corrected throughout the code. Also, after a colon the
template automatically puts in parenthetical numbers for a listing.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-24 Log #261 Final Action: Accept
( 5.2 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Revise Section 5.2 as follows:
5.2 Containers.
5.2.1 General
5.2.1.1 Containers that show excessive denting, bulging, gouging, or
corrosion shall be removed from service.
5.2.1.2 Repair or alteration of a container shall comply with the regulations,
rules, or code under which the container was fabricated.
5.2.1.3 Field welding shall be permitted only on saddle plates, lugs, pads or
brackets that are attached to the container by the container manufacturer.
5.2.1.4 Containers for general use shall not have individual water capacities
greater than 120,000 gal (454 m3).
5.2.1.5 Containers in dispensing stations, not located in LP-Gas bulk plants,
industrial plants, or industrial applications, shall have an aggregate water
capacity not greater than 30,000 gal (114 m3).
5.2.1.6 Heating or cooling coils shall not be installed inside storage
containers.
5.2.1.7* Containers shall be designed, fabricated, tested, and marked (or
stamped) in accordance with the regulations of the U.S. Department of
Transportation (DOT), the ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code, Section
VIII, “Rules for the Construction of Unfired Pressure Vessels,” or the API-
ASME Code for Unfired Pressure Vessels for Petroleum Liquids and Gases,
except for UG-125 through UG-136.
(A) Adherence to applicable ASME Code Case Interpretations and Addenda
that have been adopted and published by ASME 180 calendar days prior to the
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effective date of this code shall be considered as compliant with the ASME
Code.
(B) Containers fabricated to earlier editions of regulations, rules, or codes
listed in 5.2.1.3 and of the ICC Rules for Construction of Unfired Pressure
Vessels, prior to April 1, 1967, shall be permitted to be continued to be used in
accordance with 1.4.
shall be permitted to be continued to be used in accordance with 1.4.
5.2.1.8 Containers that have been involved in a fire and show no distortion
shall be requalified for continued service before being used or reinstalled.
(A) Cylinders shall be requalified by a manufacturer of that type of cylinder
or by a repair facility approved by DOT.
(B) ASME or API-ASME containers shall be retested using the hydrostatic
test procedure applicable at the time of the original fabrication.
(C) All container appurtenances shall be replaced.
5.2.2 Cylinders
5.2.2.1* Cylinders shall be continued in service and transported in
accordance with DOT regulations.
5.2.2.2 Any cylinder where the with an expired requalification date has been
passed shall not be refilled until it is requalified by the methods prescribed in
DOT regulations.
5.2.2.3 DOT cylinders in stationary service that are filled on site and
therefore which are not under the jurisdiction of DOT, shall either be
requalified in accordance with DOT requirements or the following shall be
visually inspected within 12 years of the date of manufacture and within every
five years thereafter, in accordance with the criteria (A) through (C):
(A)Any cylinder that fails one or more of the criteria in (C) shall not be
refilled or continued in service until the condition is corrected.
(B)Personnel shall be trained and qualified to perform inspections. Training
shall be documented in accordance with Section 1.5.
(C) Visual inspection shall be performed in accordance with the following:
(1) The cylinder is checked for exposure to fire, dents, cuts, digs, gouges
and corrosion according to CGA C-6, except that paragraph 4.2.1.1(1) of that
standard (which requires tare weight verification), shall not be part of the
required inspection criteria.
(2) The cylinder protective collar (where utilized) and the foot ring are intact
and are firmly attached.
(3) The cylinder is painted or coated to retard corrosion.
(4) The cylinder pressure relief valve indicates no visible damage, corrosion
of operating components, or obstructions.
(5) There is no leakage from the cylinder or its appurtenances that is
detectable without the use of instruments.
(6) The cylinder is installed on a firm foundation and is not in contact with
the soil.
(7) A cylinder that passes the visual examination shall be marked with the
month and year of the examination followed by the letter “E” (example: 10-
01E, indicating requalification in October, 2001 by the external inspection
method).
(8) The results of the visual inspection shall be documented and a record of
the inspection shall be retained for a five year period.
5.2.1.82.4 DOT 4E specification (aluminum) cylinders involved in a fire
shall be permanently removed from service.
Substantiation: The editorial changes proposed above will greatly simplify
the application of Section 5.2 because:
1. Requirements applicable to both ASME and DOT containers will appear
under the “General” heading.
2. Requirements applicable to either ASME or DOT containers, but not both,
will appear under each respective heading.
3. Other re-orderings to clarify the hierarchy of requirements appears in
proposed Section 5.2.2.3.
4. The editorial clarifications proposed in 5.2.2.2 will improve the language.
“Whose” is usually used as a personal pronoun and its use with equipment is
archaic.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-25 Log #22 Final Action: Reject
( 5.2.1.7 [2.2.16 Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Jon Nisja, Northcentral Regional Fire Code Development
Committee
Comment on Proposal No:58-19
Recommendation: Reject the original proposal.
Substantiation: We agree with the negative comments of Mr. Hayes. These
cylinders need to be hydrostatically tested like all other pressure vessels. A
visual inspection is not enough to determine if the pressure vessel is safe. This
subject was of great discussion at the meeting this document was voted on in
the last cycle and was soundly defeated. There has been no new information
brought forward that would change the previous action that would require
hydrostatic testing to be eliminated from the code.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
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Committee Statement: The committee notes that NFPA 58 references the
DOT cylinder requirements, including retest requirements. DOT allows 3
methods of requalification, and the committee also allows these 3 in NFPA 58.
The committee was advised that the Propane Education and Research
Council has sponsored a project, conducted by Battelle Laboratories in which
the visual requalification was revalidated. The report of PERC project no.
10202 is available from the PERC web site, www.propanecouncil.org
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
HAYES: It is my belief that a visual inspection is not enough. Cylinders
need to be removed and tested. Cylinders are known to rust at the bottom,
inside of the base ring (DOT), where a visual cannot be adequately performed.
I think that damaged cylinders will be missed.
_______________________________________________________________
58-26 Log #29 Final Action: Accept
( 5-2.1.8 [2-2.1.7 Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-21
Recommendation: Reverse the committee action and reinstate the deleted
text in 2.2.1.7.
Substantiation: This text was found to be helpful in working with
enforcement agents in jurisdictions that are not entirely familiar with the
nuances of the code.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-27 Log #30 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5-2.1.11 [2-2.1.8 Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-22
Recommendation: Revise as follows:
Containers that show excessive denting, bulging, gouging, or excessive
corrosion shall be removed from service.
Substantiation: Without an appropriate modifier before “denting, bulging,
gouging,” even a small dent or gouge would not be permitted. Therefore,
“excessive,” which was found to be acceptable to the Committee, is simply
relocated to make it apply to all of the stated flaws.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise 5.2.1.11 to read:
Containers that show excessive denting, bulging, gouging, or corrosion shall
be removed from service.
Add a new A.5.2.1.11
Information on excessive denting, bulging, gouging and corrosion can be
found in CGA C-6 and The Boiler and Pressure Vessel Inspection Code,
published by the National Board of Boiler and Pressure Vessel Inspectors
Committee Statement: Accepted, and the redundant “excessive” is deleted.
Annex text is added for information.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-28 Log #232 Final Action: Accept
( 5-2.1.12, 5.2.2, 5.2.2.2, Table 5.2.2.2, 5.2.6.3(4) [2-2.1.9, 2.2.2, 2.2.2.2, Table
2.2.2.2, 2.2.6.3 (4) Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 5.2.1.12 - change to read: “Repairs and alterations to
containers shall be to the NBIC code
5.2.2 - Delete “Design or” to read: container Service Pressure
5.2.2.2.- delete “minimum design pressure” to read; “Maximum Allowable
Working Pressure/MAWP”
Table 5.2.2.2 - change in title to delete “Design Pressure” and replace with
“MAWP” change in the table, change “Design Pressure” to “MAWP”
5.2.6.3(4) - change “Design Pressure” to “MAWP” and add:
(12) Minimum Design metal Temperature ___(F at MAWP_____psi
(13) Type of construction “W”
(14) Degree of Radiography “RT-_”
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Committee Statement: These revisions make NFPA 58 terminology
consistent with the pressure vessel codes referenced.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-29 Log #31 Final Action: Reject
( 5-2.1.15 [2-2.1.10 Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-23
Recommendation: Modify the preprint in ROP as follows:
5.2.1.15 Containers in dispensing stations, which are not located in LP-Gas
bulk plants, industrial plants, or industrial applications, shall have an aggregate
water capacity not greater than 30,000 gal (114 m3).
Substantiation: Editorial.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The proposed revision does not add anything to the
code.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-30 Log #262 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.2.2.4 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.2.2.4* ASME engine fuel and mobile containers shall have a minimum
design pressure of 312.5 psi -psig (2.2-Mpag). [3.8.2.1]
Substantiation: Editorial clarification. The requirements mobile and engine
fuel containers are the same as shown in Column 6 of Table 5.3.4.1; therefore,
engine fuel containers should be included in 5.2.2.4.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
5.2.2.4* ASME engine fuel and mobile containers shall have a MAWP of
312 psig (2.2-Mpag) or higher.
Committee Statement: Accepted with editorial revisions.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-31 Log #53 Final Action: Accept
( 5.2.2.5 [3.8.2.1 Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.2.2.5 Cylinders installed in recreational vehicles or in enclosed spaces on
other vehicles shall be designed and constructed for at least a 240-psig (1.6-
MPag) service pressure.
5.2.2.5 Cylinders shall be designed and constructed for at least a 240-psig
(1.6-MPag) service pressure.
Substantiation: The design pressure for cylinders is the same whether they
are on RVʼs, in enclosed spaces, or in any other allowed location.
We do not need the deleted part.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-32 Log #266 Final Action: Accept
( 5.2.2.6 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Delete the following text:
5.2.2.6 ASME mobile containers installed in recreational vehicles or in
enclosed spaces on other vehicles shall be designed and constructed for at
least a 312.5-psig (2.2-MPag) design pressure
Substantiation: This paragraph should be deleted because it is redundant to
5.2.2.4
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-33 Log #47 Final Action: Reject
( 5-2.4.1 [2-2.4.1 Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Scott A. Stookey, Phoenix Fire Department
Comment on Proposal No:58-26
Recommendation: The second sentence in section (b) should be revised as
follows:
It shall also be capable of withstanding a blow from any direction equivalent
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to that of a 30-lb (14 kg) weight dropped from a height of 4 ft (1.2 m)
measured from the top of the protective collar.
Substantiation: As written, itʼs unclear where the weight is dropped.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The revisions shown in the preprint better address the
subject.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-34 Log #54 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.2.4.1 [2.2.4.1] )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.2.4.1 Cylinders of 1000-lb (454-kg) water capacity [nominal 420-lb
(191-damage to cylinder appurtenances and immediate connections to such
appurtenances when in transit, storage, and being moved into position for use
prior to installation and use at residential and commercial installations by the
following means:
(a) (1)A ventilated cap or
(b) (2)A ventilated collar
Clean version:
5.2.4.1 Cylinders of 1000-lb (454-kg) water capacity [nominal 420-lb
(191-damage to cylinder appurtenances and immediate connections to such
appurtenances when in transit, storage, and being moved into position for use
prior to installation and use at residential and commercial installations by the
following means:
(1)A ventilated or cap
(2)A ventilated collar
Substantiation: None given.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
5.2.4.1 Cylinders of 1000-lb (454-kg) water capacity [nominal 420-lb
(191- kg] lp-gas capacity] or less shall incorporate protection against physical
damage to cylinder appurtenances and immediate connections to such
appurtenances when not in use by either of the following means:
(a) (1) A ventilated cap
(b) (2) A ventilated collar
Committee Statement: Accepted with editorial revisions.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-35 Log #33 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5-2.4.2 [2-2.4.1 Old] )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-26
Recommendation: Revise as follows:
5.2.4.2 Except in residential and commercial installations, cylinder
appurtenances immediate connections to such appurtenances on cylinders of
1000-lb (454-kg) water capacity [nominal 420-lb (191-kg) LP-Gas capacity]
or less shall incorporate protection against physical damage when in transit,
storage, and being moved into position for use, and when in use,. One of the
following means shall be employed: (Remainder Unchanged.)
Substantiation: It is not possible to protect the cylinders appurtenances
while the cylinder is in use because the cap must be removed for piping to be
connected and used. The phrase referring to “immediate connections” is not
needed since it appears to be referring to an attached regulator or some other
device not a part of the container system, and which would normally only be
in place when the cylinder was being used.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-34 (Log
# 54).
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-36 Log #34 Final Action: Reject
( 5-2.4.2 [2-2.4.1 Old] )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-27
Recommendation: Reverse the committee action and return the text to its
original state.
Substantiation: A substantial amount of text was deleted with minimal
substantiation, including the criteria for evaluating cylinder collars.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-34 (Log
# 54) which makes the deletion unnecessary.
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Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-37 Log #35 Final Action: Reject
( 5-2.5.2 [2-2.5.3 Old] )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-28
Recommendation: Reverse the committee action and reject the proposal.
Substantiation: Paragraph 5.2.5.2 is more of an equipment design issue
than a transportation issue and should remain in Chapter 5. Transportation of
portable containers is already covered in Chapter 6 in Section 6.2; therefore,
the design of these containers should remain in Chapter 5.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-39 (Log
#55) which makes the deletion unnecessary.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-38 Log #36 Final Action: Reject
( 5-2.5.2 [2-2.5.3 OLd] )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-30
Recommendation: Overturn the Committee Action and reject the proposal.
Substantiation: Proposal 58-29 is the more appropriate action to take.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-39 (Log
# 55) which makes the deletion unnecessary.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-39 Log #55 Final Action: Accept
( 5.2.5.2 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.2.5.2 ASME containers to be used as portable storage containers including
movable fuel storage tenders and farm carts for temporary stationary service
(normally not more than 12 months duration at any location)shall comply with
the following 5.2.5.2(A) through (D).
(A) (a)Steel legs or supports shall be either welded to the container by the
manufacturer at the time of fabrication or attached to lugs that have been
welded to the container.
(B) (b)The legs or supports or the lugs for the attachment of legs or supports
shall be secured to the container in accordance with the code or rule under
which the container was designed and built, using a minimum safety factor
of four to withstand loading in any direction equal to twice the weight of the
empty container and attachments.
(C) (c)The attachment of a container to either a trailer or semi-trailer running
gear, or the attachments to the container to make it a vehicle so that the unit
can be moved by a conventional over-the-road tractor, shall comply with the
DOT requirements for cargo tank service. The stress calculations for the
design of the attachment shall be based on twice the weight of the empty
container.
(D) (d)The unit shall be approved by the authority having jurisdiction.
Substantiation: The numbering was corrected to comply with the Manual of
Style along with some minor editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
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58-40 Log #56 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.2.6.3(4) )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
(4) Maximum allowable working pressure Design pressure in pounds per
square inch
Substantiation: The ASME nameplate uses maximum allowable working
pressure instead of design pressure.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-28 (Log
# 232).
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-41 Log #263 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.3.1.1 )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.1.1 Container appurtenances shall be fabricated of materials that are
suitable for compatible with LP-Gas service and shall be resistant to the action
of LP-Gas under service conditions. The following materials shall not be
used:
(1) Cast iron
(2) Nonmetallic materials shall not be used for bonnets or bodies of valves
or regulators
5.3.1.2 Pressure-containing metal parts of appurtenances, such as those listed
in 2.3.1.1, shall have a minimum melting point of 150°F (816°C), except for:
(1) Fusible elements
(2) Approved or listed variable liquid level gauges used in containers of
3500-gal (13.2-m3) water capacity or less.
Substantiation: Important requirements were moved back into the text from
the Annex, which was originally shown in the Preprint as an editorial change.
The reformatting should make it easier to understand the code.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.1 Materials
5.3.1.1 Container appurtenances shall be fabricated of materials that are
suitable for compatible with LP-Gas service and shall be resistant to the action
of LP-Gas under service conditions. The following materials shall not be
used:
(1) Grey cast iron
(2) Nonmetallic materials shall not be used for bonnets or bodies of valves
or regulators
5.3.1.2 Pressure-containing metal parts of appurtenances, such as those listed
in 2.3.1.1, shall have a minimum melting point of 1500°F (816°C), except for:
(1) Fusible elements
(2) Approved or listed variable liquid level gauges used in containers of
3500-gal (13.2-m3) water capacity or less.
Committee Statement: Accepted and grey cast iron is added to be more
specific
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-42 Log #233 Final Action: Accept
( 5-3.1.3, 5.3.3.4 [2-3.1.3, 2.3.2.3 Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 5.3.1.3 - change “rated working pressure” to “service
pressure rating”
5.3.3.4 - change “design pressureʼ to “pressure rating”
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-43 Log #58 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.3.1.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.1.4 Gaskets used to retain LP-Gas in containers shall be resistant to the
action of LP-Gas.
(a) (A)Gaskets shall be made of metal or other material confined in metal
having a melting point over 1500∞F (816∞C) or shall be protected against fire
exposure.
(b) (B)When a flange is opened, the gasket shall be replaced.
(c) (C)Aluminum O-rings and spiral wound metal gaskets shall be permitted.
(d) (D) Gaskets for use with approved or listed liquid level gauges for
installation on a container of 3500-gal (13.2-m3) water capacity or less shall be
exempt from the minimum melting point requirement.
Substantiation: Renumber to comply with Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-44 Log #264 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.3.2 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Revise Section 5.3.2 as follows:
5.3. 2 Overfilling Prevention Devices.
5.3.2.1 Cylinders with 4-lb (1.8-kg) through 40-lb (18-kg) propane capacity
for vapor service, shall be equipped or fitted with a listed overfilling
prevention device and a fixed maximum liquid level gauge. . This These
devices device shall be permitted to be a part of the container valve assembly.
5.3.2.2 Cylinders requalified after September 30, 1998, shall be equipped
with a listed overfilling prevention device and a fixed maximum liquid level
gauge , sized in accordance with Table F-.5.3.3, prior to being filled.
5.3.2.3 No cylinder shall be filled unless it is equipped with an overfilling
prevention device and a fixed maximum liquid level gauge. The length of
the fixed maximum liquid level gauge dip tube shall be in accordance with
7.4.3.2(A) or Table F.5.3.3
5.3.2.4 Cylinders required to have an overfilling prevention device installed
shall be equipped with either a CGA connection number 791 or a CGA
connection number 810 as described in CGA Publication V-1.
5.3.2.5 The following types of cylinders shall be exempt from the
requirements of 5.3.2.1 through 5.3.2.3 for installing a listed overfilling
prevention device:
(1) Cylinders used in industrial truck service, including forklift truck
cylinders and cylinders identified and used for industrial welding and cutting
gases shall be exempt from the OPD requirement.
(2) Cylinders manufactured prior to October 1, 1998, and designed for use
in the horizontal orientation position for which and where an overfilling
prevention device is not available shall be exempt from the OPD requirement.
Exempted horizontal cylinders shall be marked with have a label to indicate
that they are not equipped with an overfilling prevention device.
Substantiation: Changes have been made for editorial clarity. The fixed
maximum liquid level gauge is required as part of the OPD valve in order to
be UL Listed. All OPD valves for retrofit on cylinders must use Table 5.3.2.3
to determine the correct valve for that cylinder. As it is mandatory to use this
table, it should be in the text.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
1. Accept the proposal with the following revisions to 5.3.2.2 and 5.3.2.3.
5.3.2.2 Cylinders requalified after September 30, 1998, shall be equipped
with a listed overfilling prevention device and a fixed maximum liquid level
gauge , sized in accordance with Table 5.3.2.2, prior to being filled.
5.3.2.3 No cylinder shall be filled unless it is equipped with an overfilling
prevention device and a fixed maximum liquid level gauge. The length of
the fixed maximum liquid level gauge dip tube shall be in accordance with
7.4.3.2(A) or Table 5.3.2.2.
2. Insert Table 5.3.2.3. Use Table F.5.3.3, without Note 1 and “important”.
Revise the title and the title of the last column of the table to “Dip Tube
Lengths for Various Cylinders. Relocate the Example in Note 2 to A.5.3.2.2
(Table).
3. Revise 5.3.2.5 to read:
5.3.2.5 The following types of cylinders shall be exempt from the
requirements of 5.3.2.1 through 5.3.2.3 for installing a listed overfilling
prevention device:
(1) Cylinders used in industrial truck service and cylinders identified and
used for industrial welding and cutting gases shall be exempt from the OPD
requirement.
(2) Cylinders manufactured prior to October 1, 1998, and designed for use
in the horizontal orientation position for which and where an overfilling
prevention device is not available shall be exempt from the OPD requirement.
4. Add a new 5.3.2.6 to read:
5.3.2.6 Exempted horizontal cylinders shall be marked with have a label to
indicate that they are not equipped with an overfilling prevention device.
5. Delete F.5.3.3
Committee Statement: The proposal is accepted, and Table F.5.3.3 is
relocated to Chapter 5 as an Annex table can not be referenced.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
YOUNG: On 5.3.2.5 - need to delete “of”.
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58-45 Log #59 Final Action: Accept
( 5.3.3.7 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 5.3.3.7 A shutoff valve Shutoff valves shall not be located
installed between a pressure relief device devices and the container with
the exception of : unless a listed pressure relief valve manifold meeting the
requirements of 6.7.1.9 is used.
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5.3.3.7 Shutoff valves shall not be installed between pressure relief devices
and the container unless a listed pressure relief valve manifold meeting the
requirements of 6.7.1.9 is used.
Substantiation: The changes corrected the reference and added clarity to the
paragraph.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-46 Log #CC42 Final Action: Reject
( 5.3.3.7 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Technical Committee on Liquefied Petroleum Gases
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Delete 5.3.3.7.
Substantiation: The requirement is also in Chapter 6, 6.7.1.8 which is the
appropriate location.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The paragraph is needed for safety.
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 20 Negative: 8
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
FAULHABER: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
GILBERT: See my comment on 58-45 (Log #59).
HAYES: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
MCTIER: See my comment on 58-45 (Log #59).
MISEL: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
PHILLIPPI: See my comment on 58-45 (Log #59).
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
STERNOLA: See my comment on 58-45 (Log #59).
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58-47 Log #61 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.3.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.4 Container Connections and Appurtenances.
5.3.4.1 Containers of 2000 gal (7.6 m3) 4000 gal (15.2 m3) water capacity or
less, shall comply with Table 5.3.4.1 and 5.3.4.1(A) through (G).
(A) The requirement for internal spring-type pressure relief valves that are
shown in Table) 5.3.4.1 for stationary ASME containers up to and including
4000 gal (15.2 m3) water capacity shall not apply to underground containers
where external pressure relief valves are permitted or to containers that were
originally equipped with external pressure relief valves.
(B) Containers of 125 gal through 4000 gal (0.5 m3 through 15.2 m3) water
capacity shall be provided with an actuated liquid withdrawal excess-flow
valve with a connection not smaller than 3/4-in. national pipe thread.
(C)An actuated liquid withdrawal excess-flow valve shall not be required on
containers container connections equipped for liquid withdrawal with both a
liquid outlet a positive shutoff valve that is located as close to the container
as practical in combination with and an excess-flow valve installed in the
container connection
(D) The actuated liquid withdrawal excess flow valve shall not be connected
for continuous use unless the valve is recommended by the manufacturer for
such service.
(E) An overfilling prevention device shall not be required for engine fuel
cylinders used on industrial (and forklift) trucks powered by LP-Gas or
for engine fuel cylinders used on vehicles (including floor maintenance
machines) having LP-Gas-powered engines mounted on them, including floor
maintenance machines.
(F) Excess-flow protection shall not be required for manual shutoff valves for
vapor service where an approved regulator is directly attached or attached with
a flexible connector to the outlet of the manual shutoff valve for vapor service
and the controlling orifice between the container contents and the shutoff
valve outlet does not exceed 5/16 in. (8 mm) in diameter.
(G) Overfilling prevention devices shall be required on cylinders having 4 lb
through 40 lb (1.8 kg through 18 kg) propane capacity for vapor service. (See
2.3.1.5.) (See 5.3.2)
Clean Copy
5.3.4 Container Connections and Appurtenances.
5.3.4.1 Containers of 4000 gal (15.2 m3) water capacity or less shall comply
with Table 5.3.4.1 and 5.3.4.1(A) through (G).
(A) The requirement for internal spring-type pressure relief valves that are
shown in Table 5.3.4.1 for stationary ASME containers up to and including
4000 gal (15.2 m3) water capacity shall not apply to underground containers
where external pressure relief valves are permitted on containers that were
originally equipped with external pressure relief valves.
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(B) Containers of 125 gal through 4000 gal (0.5 m3 through 15.2 m3) water
capacity shall be provided with an actuated liquid withdrawal excess-flow
valve with a connection not smaller than 3/4-in. national pipe thread.
(C) An actuated liquid withdrawal excess-flow valve shall not be required on
container connections equipped for liquid withdrawal with a positive shutoff
valve that is located as close to the container as practical in combination with
an excess-flow valve installed in the container connection.
(D) The actuated liquid withdrawal excess flow valve shall not be connected
for continuous use unless the valve is recommended by the manufacturer for
such service.
(E) An overfilling prevention device shall not be required for engine fuel
cylinders used on industrial (and forklift) trucks powered by LP-Gas or for
engine fuel cylinders used on vehicles (including floor maintenance machines)
having LP-Gas-powered engines mounted on them.
(F) Excess-flow protection shall not be required for manual shutoff valves for
vapor service where an approved regulator is directly attached or attached with
a flexible connector to the outlet of the manual shutoff valve for vapor service
and the controlling orifice between the container contents and the shutoff
valve outlet does not exceed 5/16 in. (8 mm) in diameter.
(G) Overfilling prevention devices shall be required on cylinders having 4 lb
through 40 lb (1.8 kg through 18 kg) propane capacity for vapor service. (See
5.3.2
Substantiation: This section has been renumbered to comply with the
manual of Style. It is our recommendation to delete 5.3.4.3 and Table 5.3.4.3
as they are not needed. The inlet and outlet connections are already covered
in Table 5.3.4.1 and other sections of Chapter 5 and 6.
We also changed Table 5.3.4.1 to cover 4000 gal water capacity containers in
the 2001 Edition of NFPA 58.
A short history of the changes proposed on Table 2.3.3.2(a) and 3.3.3.6 in the
2001 Edition are as follows:
“When we changed old Table 2.3.3.2(a) (new Table 5.2.4.1) to cover ASME
containers through 4000 gal water capacity instead of through 2000 gal water
capacity, there was some concern as to how to fit up containers for bulk plant
and industrial plant use where the aggregate capacity was between 2001
through 4000 gal water capacity. Since we had a bulk plant and industrial
plant Section 3.3, we thought that we might address it in that location, and we
attempted to separate this from bulk and industrial plants with an aggregate
water capacity of more than 4000 gal. We ended up putting in redundant
requirements that were covered in old 2.3.3.2 into 3.3.3.6 for bulk and
industrial plants over 4000 gal water capacity and then we attempted to mix
in the requirements for 2001 through 4000 gal into the same section, . As
these small multicontainer plants generally utilized standard 1000 gal water
capacity domestic ASME containers, there was nothing new to be drawn from
separate coverage other than to give one the option of using internal valves,
although not requiring it on these smaller plants. In addition there was really
no good reason for duplicating what was stated in 2.3.3.2 in 3.3.3.6. With
approval from NPGA and the NFPA Committee, our plan is to eliminate
all of old 3.3.3.6 and reference new 5.3.4.2 and take no action on the small
multicontainer bulk and industrial plants as it is already well covered in old
Table 2.3.3.2(a) (new Table 5.3.4.1) New Table 5.3.4.3, and 5.3.7).”
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
1. Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.4 Container Connections and Appurtenances.
5.3.4.1 Containers of 2000 gal (7.6 m3) water capacity or less, shall comply
with Table 5.3.4.1 . Containers of 2001 thru 4000 gallons in bulk plant and
industrial plant service shall be in accordance with Table 5.3.4.3. Containers
of 2001 thru 4000 gallons in other than bulk plant and industrial plant service
shall be in accordance with Table 5.3.4.1.
(A) The requirement for internal spring-type pressure relief valves that are
shown in Table) 5.3.4.1 for stationary ASME containers up to and including
4000 gal (15.2 m3) water capacity shall not apply to underground containers
where external pressure relief valves are permitted or to containers that were
originally equipped with external pressure relief valves.
(B) Containers of 125 gal through 4000 gal (0.5 m3 through 15.2 m3) water
capacity shall be provided with an actuated liquid withdrawal excess-flow
valve with a connection not smaller than 3/4-in. national pipe thread.
(C)An actuated liquid withdrawal excess-flow valve shall not be required on
containers container connections equipped for liquid withdrawal with both a
liquid outlet a positive shutoff valve that is located as close to the container
as practical in combination with and an excess-flow valve installed in the
container connection
NOTE: This change has been revised on 2/28/03 to take care of “typos”, but it
is strictly editorial and no comment is needed.
(D) The actuated liquid withdrawal excess flow valve shall not be connected
for continuous use unless the valve is recommended by the manufacturer for
such service.
(E) An overfilling prevention device shall not be required for engine fuel
cylinders used on industrial (and forklift) trucks powered by LP-Gas or
for engine fuel cylinders used on vehicles (including floor maintenance
machines) having LP-Gas-powered engines mounted on them, including floor
maintenance machines.
(F) Excess-flow protection shall not be required for manual shutoff valves for
vapor service where an approved regulator is directly attached or attached with
a flexible connector to the outlet of the manual shutoff valve for vapor service
and the controlling orifice between the container contents and the shutoff
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valve outlet does not exceed 5/16 in. (8 mm) in diameter.
(G) Overfilling prevention devices shall be required on cylinders having 4 lb
through 40 lb (1.8 kg through 18 kg) propane capacity for vapor service. (See
2.3.1.5.) (See 5.3.2)
2. Revise the title of Table 5.3.4.1 to read:
Container connection and appurtenance requirements for Containers used in
other than Bulk Plants and Industrial Plants
Committee Statement: Accepted with editorial corrections. The title of
Table 5.3.4.1 is changed to be consistent with the title of Table 5.3.4.3, and the
application of Tables 5.3.4.1 and 5.3.4.3 to containers of 2001 to 4,000 gallons
is clarified.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-48 Log #62 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.3.4.2 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
This is proposed 5.3.4.2 that can be inserted after proposed 5.3.4.1. Paragraph
5.3.4.2 will be a written version of new proposed Table 5.3.4.3 less the
requirements for containers of 2001 gal through 4000 gal water capacity for
bulk plant and industrial plant service. New Table 5.3.4.3 corrects the errors
and omissions in new Table 5.3.4.4 shown in the ROP Preprint that covers
containers over 4000 gal water capacity. We are recommending the deletion
of both Table 5.3.4.4 and the present Table 5.3.4.3 shown in the ROP Preprint
as both tables will be replaced by new Table 5.3.4.3 and the written version of
what is in Table 5.3.4.3 that will be found in paragraph 5.3.4.2 shown below.
Additional substantiation will be found and the end of this document.
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5.3.4.4 Inlet and withdrawal opening of over 4000 gal (15.2 m3) water capacity
shall be in accordance with Table 5.3.4.4:
Table 5.3.4.4 Inlet and withdrawal appurtenance requirements for containers
over 4000 gal.
ESV: Emergency Shutoff Valve
PSV: Positive shutoff valve as close to container as practical
Check: Check valve (or Backflow Check Valve) designed for the intended
service.
XS: Excess Flow Valve
IV: Internal Valve
Proposed Printed Version
5.3.4.2 ASME Containers over 4000 gal (15.2 m3) water capacity
shall be equipped in accordance with 5.3.4.2(A) through (G)
and Table 5.3.4.3.
(A) Vapor withdrawal openings shall be equipped with either of
the following:
(1) A positive shutoff valve thay is located as close to
the container as practical in combination with an
excess-flow valve installed in the container
(2) An internal valve
(B) Liquid wihdrawal openings in new installations shall be
equipped with an internal valve that is fitted for remote
closure and automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) actuation
where the thermal element is located within 5 ft (1.5 m) of the
internal valve.
(C) Liquid withdrawal openings in existing installations where the
container is equipped with an internal valve that is not fitted
for remote closure and automatic shutoff using thermal (fire)
actuation shall be retrofitted with these features by July 1,

Containers installed prior to All containers after July 1, 2011

July 1, 2011
Vapor Inlet Table 5..
./ PSV and Check or Internal XS, or
2. IV
Vapor Outlet Table 5..
./ PSV and internal XS, or
2. IV

Liquid Inlet Table 5.. ./ Table 5.. ./

PSV and PSV and
Internal ESV, or
Check, or 2. PSV and Check as close as practical, or
2. IV with thermal actuation within 5 ft. IV
Liquid IV with thermal actuation within 5 ft. Table 5.. ./
Outlet IV with
thermal
actuation,
or
2. PSV and ESV

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(D) Liquid withdrawal openings in existing installations where Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
the container is equipped with a positive shutoff valve that is Revise 5.3.4.2 to read:
located as close to the container as practical in combination 5.3.4.2 ASME Containers over 4000 gal (15.2 m3) water capacity shall be
with an excess-flow valve shall be retrofitted by July 1, 2011 equipped in accordance with 5.3.4.2(A) through (G) and Table 5.3.4.3.
with either of the following: (A) Vapor withdrawal openings shall be equipped with either of the
following:
(1)An internal valve that is fitted for remote closure and (1) A positive shutoff valve located as close to the container as practical in
automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) actuation where combination with an excess-flow valve installed in the container
the thermal element is located within 5 ft (1.5 m) of (2) An internal valve
the internal valve (B) Liquid withdrawal openings in new installations shall be equipped with
(2)An emergency shutoff valve that is fitted for remote an internal valve that is fitted for remote closure and automatic shutoff using
closure and automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) thermal (fire) actuation where the thermal element is located within 5 ft (1.5
actuation and is installed in the line downstream as m) of the internal valve.
close as practical to the existing positive shutoff valve (C) Liquid withdrawal openings in existing installations where the container
(E) Vapor inlet openings shall be equipped with either of the fol- is equipped with an internal valve that is not fitted for remote closure and
lowing: automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) actuation shall be equipped for remote
and thermal closure by July 1, 2003.
(1) A positive shutoff valve that is located as close to the (D) Liquid withdrawal openings in existing installations shall be equipped
container as practical in combination with either a with either of the following by July 1, 2011:
backflow check valve or excess- flow valve installed (1) An internal valve that is fitted for remote closure and automatic shutoff
in the container using thermal (fire) actuation where the thermal element is located within 5 ft
(2) An internal valve (1.5 m) of the internal valve.
(F) Liquid inlet openings in new installations shall be equipped (2) An emergency shutoff valve that is installed in the line downstream as
with either of the following: close as practical to a positive shutoff valve in combination with an excess
flow valve installed in the container.
(1) An internal valve that is fitted for remote closure (E) Vapor inlet openings shall be equipped with either of the following:
and automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) actuation (1) A positive shutoff valve that is located as close to the container as
where the thermal element is located within 5 ft (1.5 practical in combination with either a backflow check valve or excess- flow
m) of the internal valve valve installed in the container
(2) A positive shutoff valve that is located as close to the (2) An internal valve
container as practical in combination with a backflow (F) Liquid inlet openings in new installations shall be equipped with either
check valve that is designed for the intended applica- of the following:
tion and is installed in the container (1) An internal valve that is fitted for remote closure and automatic shutoff
(G) Liquid inlet openings in existing installations where the con- using thermal (fire) actuation where the thermal element is located within 5 ft
tainer is equipped with an internal valve that is not fitted for (1.5 m) of the internal valve
remote closure and automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) actu- (2) A positive shutoff valve that is located as close to the container as
ation shall be retrofitted with these features by July 1, 2003. practical in combination with a backflow check valve that is designed for the
intended application and is installed in the container
(H) Liquid inlet openings in existing installations where the (G) Liquid inlet openings in existing installations where the container is
container is equipped with a positive shutoff that is located equipped with an internal valve that is not fitted for remote closure and
as close to the container as practical in combination with an automatic shutoff using thermal(fire) actuation shall be equipped for remote
excess-flow valve shall be retrofitted by July 1, 2011 with any and thermal closure by July 1, 2003.
one of the following: (H) Liquid inlet openings in existing installations shall be equipped with any
(1) An internal valve that is fitted for remote closure of the following by July 1, 2011:
and automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) actuation (1) An internal valve that is fitted for remote closure and automatic shutoff
where the thermal element is located within 5 ft (1.5 using thermal (fire) actuation where the thermal element is located within 5 ft
m) of the internal valve (1.5 m) of the internal valve
(2) An emergency shutoff valve that is fitted for remote (2) An emergency shutoff valve that is installed in the line upstream as
closure and automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) close as practical to a positive shutoff valve in combination with an excess
actuation and is installed in the line upstream as close flow valve installed in the container
as practical to the existing positive shutoff valve (3) A positive shutoff valve that is located as close to the container as
(3) A positive shutoff valve that is located as close to the practical in combination with a backflow check valve that is designed for the
container as practical in combination with a backflow intended application and is installed in the container
check valve that is designed for the intended applica- (4) A backflow check valve that is designed for the intended application and
tion and is installed in the container is installed in the line upstream as close as practical to a positive shutoff valve
(4) A backflow check valve that is designed for the in combination with an excess flow valve installed in the container.
intended application and is installed in the line Committee Statement: The intent of the proposed text is accepted, and
upstream as close as practical to the existing positive editorial revisions are made for clarity and ease of use.
shutoff valve Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Substantiation: A table that would clearly state the detailed appurtenance Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
requirements for containers over 4000 gal water capacity that includes the Comment on Affirmative:
new installation of and the retrofit requirements for internal valves plus many FREDENBURG: I have a concern that the requirements of 5.4.3.3 may
other details makes it extremely difficult to accomplish. The rewriting of preclude the use of older tanks in some installations because of requiring only
this paragraph on appurtenances and all of the alternative ways to fit up and an internal valve on liquid outlet.
retrofit these containers is also very difficult to write . _______________________________________________________________
The use of a table as without a written version is not a good idea for many 58-49 Log #37 Final Action: Accept in Principle
of the people that read and use this code. If done correctly, the detail makes ( Table 5-3.4.3 [2-3.2.2(b) (4)b, and 2.3.3.2(b)(4) c Old] )
it as cumbersome as the the written version. If the editorial task force insists _______________________________________________________________
on putting in a table, it should then be included in addition to the written Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
version. The proposed table shown above is inadequate and does not cover Comment on Proposal No:58-40
all of the details of the requirements. For instance, there is no mention of the Recommendation: The Preprint does not reflect the action taken by the
requirement for including a remote shutoff on all of the internal valves in Committee on this proposal.
liquid service. It is not clearly stated that internal valves in liquid service that Substantiation: This comment is a follow up to ensure that there hasnʼt been
were installed prior to the requirement must be equipped with remote shutoffs a mistake made.
and thermal protection by July 1, 2003. It also does not require emergency Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
shutoff valves where they are used for retrofitting to be installed as close Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-50 (Log
as practical to the positive shutoff valve of a combination shutoff valve and # 265).
excess flow valve installed in the container, etc. I will be happy to vote for the Number Eligible to Vote: 30
inclusion of the new Table 5.3.4.3 that the editorial task force and I drew up Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
together with the editorial task force doing most of the work. It covers most of Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
the details of the written version, but I strongly believe that we need both. If Comment on Affirmative:
we have to change the requirements to accommodate a table, we do not need ONEIL: This issue should be revisited and given more careful review.
it or want it.
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_______________________________________________________________ 58-51 Log #63 Final Action: Accept in Principle
58-50 Log #265 Final Action: Accept in Principle ( 5.3.4.5 )
( Table 5.3.4.3 and Table 5.3.4.4 ) _______________________________________________________________
_______________________________________________________________ Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Comment on Proposal No:58-75 Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
Recommendation: In the Preprint, replace Tables 5.3.4.3 and 5.3.4.4 with the 5.3.4.5 ASME containers over 4,000 gallons (15.2 m3) water capacity shall
following table: also be equipped with the following appurtenances:
Table 5.3.4.3 (a) (1) An internal spring-type, flush-type full internal, or external pressure
Bulk Plant/Industrial Plant relief valve (see Annex E)
Container Transfer Appurtenance Requirements (b)(2) A fixed maximum liquid level gauge
2,001 gal. Greater Than Retrofit Requirements (c) (3) A float gauge, rotary gauge, slip tube gauge, or a combination of these
Through 4,000 4,000 Gal. for Existing Container gauges
gal.W.C. New W.C. New Installations Greater Than (d) (4) A pressure gauge
Container Container 4,000 Gal. (e) (5) A temperature gauge
Installations Installations W.C. Substantiation: Someone forgot that a list must use parenthetical numbers,
Without With not parenthetical lower case letters.
Existing Existing Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Internal Internal Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
Valves (by Valves (by for compliance with the Manual of Style.
7/1/11) 7/1/03) Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Vapor PSV/BCK PSV/BCK N.A. N.A.
Inlet or PSV/EXV or PSV/EXV Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
or IV or IV Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Vapor PSV/EXV PSV/EXV N.A. N.A.
Outlet or IV or IV _______________________________________________________________
Liquid PSV/BCK PSV/BCKD PSV/BCKD RT 58-52 Log #64 Final Action: Accept
Inlet or PSV/EXV or or ( 5.3.4.6 )
or IV IVRT IVRT _______________________________________________________________
or PSV / Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
EXV /ESVU Comment on Proposal No:58-1
or PSV / Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
EXV /BCKI 5.3.4.6 The appurtenances specified in Table 5.3.4.1 5.3.4.3 and paragraph
Liquid PSV/EXV IVRT IVRT RT 5.3.4.4 5.3.4.2 shall comply with the following:
Outlet or IV or PSV/EXV (5) Backflow check valves shall be of the spring-loaded or weight-loaded
/ ESVD type with in-line or swing operation. They and shall close when the flow is
either stopped or reversed.
Substantiation: If the recommendations for 5.3.4 are accepted, the changes
PSV: Positive shutoff valve installed as close as practical to either a for 5.3.4.6 will need to be made. As “(5)” is a division of a list and a list by
backflow check valve or an excess-flow valve installed in the container definition cannot have more than one sentence in each division, we have,
BCK: Backflow check valve installed in the container therefore, substituted “and” for “They” and eliminated the second sentence.
EXV: Excess flow valve installed in the container and sized in accordance Committee Meeting Action: Accept
with 2.3.7.1(d) Number Eligible to Vote: 30
BCKD: Backflow check valve designed for the intended application and Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
installed in the container. Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
IV: Internal valve installed in the container.
IVRT: Internal valve installed in the container equipped for remote closure _______________________________________________________________
and automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) activation within 5 feet of valve 58-53 Log #66 Final Action: Accept
ESVU: Emergency shutoff valve equipped for remote closure and automatic ( 5.3.5.2 )
shutoff using thermal (fire) activation installed in the line upstream as close as _______________________________________________________________
practical to an existing positive shutoff valve/excess flow valve combination. Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
BCKI: Backflow check valve designed for the intended application and Comment on Proposal No:58-1
installed in the line upstream as close as practical to the existing positive Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
shutoff valve/excess flow valve combination. 5.3.5.2 The gauging devices shall be either fixed maximum liquid level
ESVD: Emergency shutoff valve equipped for remote closure and automatic gauges or variable gauges of the slip tube, rotary tube, or float types (or
shutoff using thermal (fire) activation, installed in the line downstream as combinations of such gauges).
close as practical to an existing positive shutoff valve/excess-flow valve Substantiation: The rotary gauges are called just that as shown in 3.3.25.5
combination. not rotary tube gauges.
RT: Equipping an existing internal valve for remote closure and automatic Committee Meeting Action: Accept
shutoff using thermal (fire) actuation within 5 feet of the internal valve Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Substantiation: This is an editorial clarification. As currently worded (2001 Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
edition), both Sections 2.3.3.2 and 3.3.3.6 are difficult, at best, to comprehend Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
and apply. This table addresses all aspects of each section, whereas the tables
(5.3.4.3 and 5.3.4.4) appearing in the preprint do not transfer all the necessary
detail from the text, and are therefore substantive changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
The table is combined with Table 5.3.4.3 in the preprint and is revised:
(See Table 5.3.4.3 on the following page.)
Add to the note, IV:
“...or an Excess Flow Valve with a fail closed hydraulically or pneumatically
actuated valve in compliance with API 607 Fire Test for Soft Seated Quarter-
Turn Valves, equipped for remote closure and automatic shutoff using thermal
actuation where the thermal element is located within five ft. (1.5 m) of the
valve. “
Committee Statement: The concept of the propossed table Table 5.3.4.3,
combining 2 tables as shown in the preprint is accepted. A revised table
combining the advantages of the preprint and the proposed table is substituted.
The additional reference to API 607 is retained as it is required by proposal
58-38.
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
Comment on Affirmative:
FREDENBURG: See my Comment on Affirmative on Comment 58-48 (Log
#62).
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Table 5.3.4.3
Connection and Appurtenance Requirements for
New and Existing Container Installations in Bulk Plants and Industrial Plants
2,001 gal. Through 4,000 Greater Than 4,000 Gal. Requirements for Containers of Greater Than
gal. W.C. W.C. (Note 1) 4,000 Gal. W.C. With and Without Internal
(Note 1) Valves (Note 2)
Without Existing With Existing Internal
Internal Valves (by Valves
7/1/11)
Vapor Option A, or Option B, or Option A, or Option B, or Note 3 Note 3
Inlet Option C Option C
Vapor Option B, or Option C Option B, or Option C Note 3 .Note 3
Outlet
Liquid Option A, or Option B, or Option D, or Option E Option D, or Option RT
Inlet Option C E, or Option F, or
Option G
Liquid Option B, or Option C Option E Option E, or Option H RT
Outlet
Note 1: Applicable to installations constructed on or after the effective date of this code.
Note 2: Applicable to installations constructed prior to the effective date of this code.
Note 3: Vapor connections on containers installed prior to the effective date of the 2001 edition of NFPA 58 are not
required to be modified.

Description of Options:
Option A: Positive shutoff valve installed as close as practical to a backflow check valve installed in the container
Option B: Positive shutoff valve installed as close as practical to an excess flow valve installed in the container and sized in
accordance with 2.3.7.1(d)
Option C: Internal valve installed in the container
Option D: Positive shutoff valve installed as close as practical to a backflow check valve designed for the intended
application and installed in the container: Positive shutoff valve installed as close as practical to a backflow
Option E: Internal valve installed in the container equipped for remote closure and automatic shutoff using thermal (fire)
activation within 5 feet of valve
Option F: Emergency shutoff valve equipped for remote closure and automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) activation
installed in the line upstream as close as practical to an existing positive shutoff valve/excess flow valve combi-
nation.
Option G: Backflow check valve designed for the intended application and installed in the line upstream as close as
practical to the existing positive shutoff valve/excess flow valve combination.
Option H: Emergency shutoff valve equipped for remote closure and automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) activation,
installed in the line downstream as close as practical to an existing positive shutoff valve/excess-flow valve
combination.
RT: Equipping an existing internal valve for remote closure and automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) actuation
within 5 feet of the internal valve

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58-54 Log #67 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.3.5.6 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.5.6 Cylinders equipped with a fixed maximum liquid level gauge for
which where the dip tube is not welded in to the inside of the cylinder place
shall be permanently marked adjacent to such a the gauge as follows: in
accordance with 5.3.5.6(A) and (B).
(a) (A) Cylinders designed to be filled in one position shall be marked as
follows:with the letters DT followed by the vertical distance (to the nearest
tenth of an inch) measured from the top center of the cylinder boss or coupling
into which the gauge is installed to the maximum permitted filling level.
(1) The marking shall be the letters DT followed by the dip tube length to the
nearest tenth of an inch
(2) The dip tube length is measured from the top center of the cylinder boss
or coupling where the gauge is installed to the maximum permitted filling
level
(b) (B) Universal-type cylinders where the dip tube is not welded to the
inside of the cylinder and that are permitted to be filled in either the vertical or
horizontal position shall be marked as follows:
(1) Vertical filling — With the letters VDT followed by the vertical distance
(to the nearest tenth of an inch) measured from the top center of the cylinder
boss or coupling into which where the gauge is installed to the maximum
permitted filling level.
(2) Horizontal filling — With the letters HDT followed by the vertical
distance (to the nearest tenth of an inch) measured from the top centerline of
the cylinder boss or coupling opening into which the gauge is installed that is
located at the maximum filling level in the horizontal position to the inside top
of the cylinder. when the cylinder is in the horizontal position.
5.3.5.7 Cargo tanks and ASME containers having utilizing multiple fixed
liquid level gauges shall have the loading percentage (to the nearest 2/10
percent) stamped adjacent to each gauge
Clean version
5.3.5.6 Cylinders equipped with a fixed maximum liquid level gauge where
the dip tube is not welded to the inside of the cylinder shall be permanently
marked adjacent to the gauge in accordance with 5.3.5.6(A) and (B).
(A) Cylinders designed to be filled in one position shall be marked as
follows:
(1) The marking shall be the letters DT followed by the dip tube length to the
nearest tenth of an inch
(2) The dip tube length is measured from the top center of the cylinder boss
or coupling where the gauge is installed to the maximum permitted filling
level
(B) Universal-type cylinders where the dip tube is not welded to the inside
of the cylinder and that are permitted to be filled in either the vertical or
horizontal position shall be marked as follows:
(1) Vertical filling — With the letters VDT followed by the vertical distance
(to the nearest tenth of an inch) measured from the top center of the coupling
where the gauge is installed to the maximum permitted filling level.
(2) Horizontal filling — With the letters HDT followed by the vertical
distance (to the nearest tenth of an inch) measured from the centerline of
the coupling opening into which the gauge is installed that is located at the
maximum filling level in the horizontal position to the inside top of the
cylinder.
5.3.5.7 Cargo tanks and ASME containers utilizing multiple fixed liquid level
gauges shall have the loading percentage (to the nearest 2/10 percent) stamped
adjacent to each gauge
Substantiation: Editorial corrections to meet the Manual of Style and
correcting the language for vertical and horizontal filling and clarifying 5.3.5.7
cover the changes made to the above.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Accept the proposed revision to 5.3.5.6, but do not add “ in accordance with
5.3.5.6(A) and (B)”, and revise (B) to read:
(B) Universal-type cylinders, where the dip tube is not welded to the inside
of the cylinder and that are permitted to be filled in either the vertical or
horizontal position, shall be marked as follows:
Remainder unchange.
Committee Statement: Revisions to 5.3.5.6 clarify the requiment.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-55 Log #60 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.3.5.8 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.5.8 Variable liquid level gauges shall comply with the following:
(1) Variable liquid level gauges installed on containers over 2000-gal (7.6-
m3) water capacity shall be so clearly marked that with the maximum liquid
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level, in inches, metric units, or percent of capacity of the container in which
where they are to be installed., is readily determinable. .
(2) markings Markings shall indicate the maximum liquid level at liquid
temperatures from 20°F to 130°F (-6.7°C to 54.4°C) and in increments not
greater than 20°F (11°C) for propane, for 50/50 butane–propane mixtures, and
for butane. at liquid temperatures from 20°F to 130°F (-6.7°C to 54.4°C) and
in increments not greater than 20°F (11°C).
(3) markings Markings indicating the various liquid levels from empty to
full shall be directly clearly shown on the system nameplate, on the gauging
device, or on both.
Clean Version
5.3.5.8 Variable liquid level gauges shall comply with the following:
(1) Variable liquid level gauges installed on containers over 2000-gal (7.6-
m3) water capacity shall be clearly marked with the maximum liquid level, in
inches, metric units, or percent of capacity of the container where they are to
be installed.
(2) Markings shall indicate the maximum liquid level at liquid temperatures
from 20°F to 130°F (-6.7°C to 54.4°C) and in increments not greater than
20°F (11°C) for propane, for 50/50 butane–propane mixtures, and for butane.
(3) Markings indicating the various liquid levels from empty to full shall be
clearly shown on the system nameplate, on the gauging device, or on both.
Substantiation: The above portion of 5.5.3.8 was renumbered and several
editorial changes were made to improve clarity.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.5.8 Variable liquid level gauges shall comply with the following:
(1) Variable liquid level gauges installed on containers over 2000-gal (7.6-
m3) water capacity shall be so marked that with the maximum liquid level,
in inches, metric units, or percent of capacity of the container in which where
they are to be installed., is readily determinable. .
(2) markings Markings shall indicate the maximum liquid level at liquid
temperatures from 20°F to 130°F (-6.7°C to 54.4°C) and in increments not
greater than 20°F (11°C) for propane, for 50/50 butane–propane mixtures, and
for butane. at liquid temperatures from 20°F to 130°F (-6.7°C to 54.4°C) and
in increments not greater than 20°F (11°C).
(3) markings Markings indicating the various liquid levels from empty to
full shall be directly shown on the system nameplate, on the gauging device,
or on both.
Committee Statement: The revisons are accepted without the word “clearly”
which is subjective.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-56 Log #75 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.3.5.8 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.5.8 Variable liquid level gauges shall comply with the following:
(1) Variable liquid level gauges installed on containers over 2000-gal (7.6-
m3) water capacity shall be so clearly marked that with the maximum liquid
level, in inches, metric units, or percent of capacity of the container in which
where they are to be installed., is readily determinable. .
(2) markings Markings shall indicate the maximum liquid level at liquid
temperatures from 20°F to 130°F (-6.7°C to 54.4°C) and in increments not
greater than 20°F (11°C) for propane, for 50/50 butane–propane mixtures, and
for butane. at liquid temperatures from 20°F to 130°F (-6.7°C to 54.4°C) and
in increments not greater than 20°F (11°C).
(3) markings Markings indicating the various liquid levels from empty to
full shall be directly clearly shown on the system nameplate, on the gauging
device, or on both.
Substantiation: The above portion of 5.5.3.8 was renumbered and several
editorial changes were made to improve clarity.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-55 (Log
#60).
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-57 Log #69 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.3.6 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.6 Pressure Gauges.
5.3.6.1 Pressure gauges shall comply with 2.3.1.2 and 2.3.1.3.
5.3.6.1 Pressure gauges shall be attached directly to the container opening or
to a valve or fitting that is directly attached to the container opening.
5.3.6.2 If the cross sectional area of the opening into the container described
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in 5.3.6.1 is greater than that of a No. 54 drill size, an excess-flow check valve
shall be provided for the container connection.
Substantiation: We deleted the first paragraph as it is not needed and
clarified the last paragraph.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-58 Log #70 Final Action: Reject
( 5.3.7 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.7 Other Container Connections
5.3.7.1 Container openings connections other than those that are equipped
with the appurtenances listed in 5.3.4.3 and based on the size of the container
and its type of service shall be permitted to be equipped with one any of the
following:
(1) A positive shutoff valve in combination with either an excess-flow
check valve or a backflow check valve, plugged
(2) An internal valve, plugged
(3) A backflow check valve, plugged
(4) An actuated liquid withdrawal excess-flow valve, normally closed and
plugged, with provision to allow for external actuation
(5) A plug, blind flange, or plugged companion flange
5.3.6.2 Pressure relief valves in accordance with 2.3.2, connections for flow
controls in accordance with 2.3.3, liquid level gauging devices in accordance
with 2.3.4, and pressure gauges in accordance with 2.3.5 shall be permitted to
be exempt from the requirements of 5.3.6.1.
5.3.7.2 Any of the valves listed in 5.3.7.1 that are not connected for service
shall be plugged or capped.
5.3.7 Other Container Connections.
5.3.7.1 Container connections other than those that are equipped with the
appurtenances listed in 5.3.4.3 and based on the size of the container and its
type of service shall be permitted to be equipped with any of the following:
(1) A positive shutoff valve in combination with either an excess-flow check
valve or a backflow check valve
(2) An internal valve
(3) A backflow check valve
(4) An actuated liquid withdrawal excess-flow valve, normally closed and
plugged, with provision to allow for external actuation
(5) A plug, blind flange, or plugged companion flange
5.3.7.2 Any of the valves listed in 5.3.7.1 that are not connected for service
shall be plugged or capped.
Substantiation: The way this was written you would have to plug or cap
any of the above valves when you installed them. We added a paragraph that
clarified this. We also deleted 5.3.7.2 as there is no need for exemptions or
exceptions.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The revisions do not add clarification.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-59 Log #71 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.3.8 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.8 Container Appurtenance Protection.
Container appurtenances other than pressure relief devices shall be installed
and protected as described in 5.3.7.1 through 5.3.7.6. [You can only use the
lead-in sentence with the “as follows” construction to introduce a list, not
subsections.]
5.3.7.1 5.3.8.1 All container openings except those used for pressure relief
devices, liquid level gauging devices, pressure gauges, those equipped with
double check filler valves, and combination backflow check and excess-
flow vapor return valves, actuated liquid withdrawal excess flow valves, and
plugged openings shall be equipped with internal valves or with positive
shutoff valves and either excess-flow or backflow check valves. as follows:
and shall comply with 5.3.8.1(A) through (H)
(1) (A) ASME containers shall have where excess-flow or backflow check
valves located are installed between the LP-Gas in the container and the
shutoff valves, shall be installed either inside the container or at a point
immediately outside the container where the line enters or leaves.
(2)(B) If excess-flow and backflow check valves are installed outside the
container outside, installation shall be made so that any strain beyond the
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excess-flow or backflow check valve valves will not cause breakage between
the container and the valve.
(3)(C) All connections that are listed in the ASME Manufacturersʼ Data
Report for the container shall be considered part of the container.
(4)(D) If an excess-flow valve is required for cylinders other than for mobile
or engine fuel service, it shall be permitted to be located at the outlet of the
cylinder shutoff valve.
(5) (E) Shutoff valves shall be located as close to the container as practical.
(6) (F) The Shutoff valves shall be readily accessible for operation and
maintenance under normal and emergency conditions.
(G) Shutoff Valves valves either shall be located in a readily accessible
position less than 6 ft (1.8 m) above ground level or shall have extension
handles, stairs, ladders, or platforms for access, or shall be equipped for
remote operation.
(8) (H) The connections, connection or line, that leads ding to or from any
individual opening shall have greater flow capacity than the rated flow of the
excess-flow valve protecting the opening.
Clear Version
5.3.8 Container Appurtenance Protection.
5.3.8.1 All container openings except those used for pressure relief devices,
liquid level gauging devices, pressure gauges, double check filler valves,
combination backflow check and excess-flow vapor return valves, actuated
liquid withdrawal excess flow valves, and plugged openings shall be equipped
with internal valves or with positive shutoff valves and either excess-flow or
backflow check valves and shall comply with 5.3.8.1(A) through (H)
(A) ASME containers, where excess-flow or backflow check valves are
installed between the LP-Gas in the container and the shutoff valves, shall
be installed either inside the container or at a point immediately outside the
container where the line enters or leaves.
(B) If excess-flow and backflow check valves are installed outside the
container, installation shall be made so that any strain beyond the excess-flow
or backflow check valves will not cause breakage between the container and
the valve.
(C) All connections that are listed in the ASME Manufacturersʼ Data Report
for the container shall be considered part of the container.
(D) If an excess-flow valve is required for cylinders other than for mobile
or engine fuel service, it shall be permitted to be located at the outlet of the
cylinder shutoff valve.
(E) Shutoff valves shall be located as close to the container as practical.
(F) Shutoff valves shall be readily accessible for operation and maintenance
under normal and emergency conditions.
(G) Shutoff valves either shall be located in a readily accessible position
less than 6 ft (1.8 m) above ground level or shall have extension handles,
stairs, ladders, or platforms for access, or shall be equipped for remote
operation.
(H) The connection or line that leads to or from any individual opening
shall have greater flow capacity than the rated flow of the excess-flow valve
protecting the opening.
Substantiation: Numerous corrections were made as shown to improve
clarity and male the paragraphs easy to understand.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.8 Container Appurtenance Protection.
Container appurtenances other than pressure relief devices shall be installed
and protected as described in 5.3.7.1 through 5.3.7.6. [You can only use the
lead-in sentence with the “as follows” construction to introduce a list, not
subsections.]
5.3.7.1 5.3.8.1 All container openings except those used for pressure relief
devices, liquid level gauging devices, pressure gauges, those equipped with
double check filler valves, and combination backflow check and excess-
flow vapor return valves, actuated liquid withdrawal excess flow valves, and
plugged openings shall be equipped with internal valves or with positive
shutoff valves and either excess-flow or backflow check valves. as follows:
and shall comply with 5.3.8.1(A) through (H)
(1) (A) ASME containers shall have excess-flow or backflow check valves
located between the LP-Gas in the container and the shutoff valves, either
inside the container or at a point immediately outside where the line enters or
leaves.
(2)(B) If excess-flow and backflow check valves are installed outside the
container outside, installation shall be made so that any strain beyond the
excess-flow or backflow check valve valves will not cause breakage between
the container and the valve.
(3)(C) All connections that are listed in the ASME Manufacturersʼ Data
Report for the container shall be considered part of the container.
(4)(D) If an excess-flow valve is required for cylinders other than for mobile
or engine fuel service, it shall be permitted to be located at the outlet of the
cylinder shutoff valve.
(5) (E) Shutoff valves shall be located as close to the container as practical.
(6) (F) The Shutoff valves shall be readily accessible for operation and
maintenance under normal and emergency conditions.
(G) Shutoff Valves valves either shall be located either in a readily
accessible position less than 6 ft (1.8 m) above ground level or shall have
extension handles, stairs, ladders, or platforms for access, or shall be equipped
for remote operation.
(8) (H) The connections, connection or line, that leads ding to or from any
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individual opening shall have greater flow capacity than the rated flow of the
excess-flow valve protecting the opening.
Committee Statement:The proposal is accepted without the changes to (A),
which are not a requirement. (H) is also editorially revised.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-60 Log #72 Final Action: Accept
( 5.3.8.3 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.8.3 Valves and other appurtenances that are part of the assembly of
portable multicontainer multicylinder systems shall be arranged so that
replacement of containers cylinders can be made without shutting off the flow
of gas in the system. This provision shall not be construed as requiring an
automatic changeover device.
5.3.8.3 Valves and other appurtenances that are part of the assembly of
portable multicylinder systems shall be arranged so that replacement of
cylinders can be made without shutting off the flow of gas in the system.
Substantiation: As this paragraph is obviously addressing multicylinder
systems we changed “containers” to “cylinders”. The final sentence in this
paragraph is not necessary and has been deleted as this paragraph does not
construe that an automatic changeover device is required.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-61 Log #73 Final Action: Reject
( 5.3.8.4 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.3.8.4 Connections to ASME containers installed underground shall be
located within a substantial dome, housing, or manhole and shall have a cover.
(A) Underground containers shall be installed so that all connections for
vapor and liquid transfer using hose, and any opening through which there
can be a for flow from pressure relief devices or pressure regulator vents are
located above the normal expected maximum water table.
Substantiation: Clarified meaning and corrected terms.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The proposed revisions do not improve the readibility
of the code.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-62 Log #234 Final Action: Accept
( 5-4.1.4, 5.4.4.1, Table 5.4.4.1, 5.4.5.2 [2-4.1.4, 2.4.4.1, Table 2.4.4.1, 2.4.5.2
Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 5.4.1.4 - change “minimum design pressure” to
“operating pressure” and “design pressure” to “pressure”
5.4.4.1 - change “minimum pressure rating” to “service pressure rating”
Table 5.4.4.1 - change title of chart to “Service Pressure Rating” of Pipes,
Tubing, Fittings and Valves
in the chart, change “Minimum Working Pressure” to “Minimum Pressure”
and “design pressure” to “MAWP”
5.4.5.2 - change “minimum pressure rating” to “service pressure rating”
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-63 Log #74 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.4.3 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.4.3 Tubing. Tubing shall be steel, stainless steel, brass, copper, poly amide
or polyethylene (see 3.2.16) and shall comply with the following:
(1) Steel tubing — ASTM A539, Specification for Electric-Resistance-
Welded Coiled Steel Tubing for Gas Fuel Oil Lines
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(2) Brass tubing [see 3.2.133(c), Exception No. 3] — ASTM B135,
Specification for Seamless Brass Tube
(3) Copper tubing [see 3.2.13(c), Exception No. 3]
(4) Poly amide and Polyethylene tubing — ASTM D2513, Specification
for Thermoplastic Gas Pressure Pipe, Tubing and Fitting and shall be
recommended by the manufacturer for use with LP-Gas (ROP 58-43)
(5) Corrugated stainless steel tubing – ANSI/AGA LC1, Interior Fuel Gas
Piping Systems Using Corrugated Stainless Steel Tubing.
Substantiation: Corrugated stainless steel tubing was inadvertently left out
of the ROP Preprint although it was in the 2001 Edition of NFPA 58. We also
added it to the first sentence of 5.4.3.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-64 Log #68 Final Action: Accept
( 5.4.4.1 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.4.4.1 Pipe fittings shall have a minimum pressure rating as specified in
Table 5.4.4.1 and shall comply with the following:
(1) Cast-iron pipe fittings shall not be used.
(2) Thermoplastic fittings fabricated from materials listed in ASTM D 2513,
Specification for Thermoplastic Gas Pressure Pipe, Tubing and Fittings, shall
comply with ASTM D 2513, and shall be recommended for LP-Gas use by the
manufacturer.
(3) (2) Brazing filler material shall have a melting point that exceeds 1000°F
(538°C).
Substantiation: We have deleted 5.4.4.1(2) above as it is redundant to 5.4.4.3
(D) and is not really addressed specifically in Table 5.4.4.1.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-65 Log #77 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.4.4.3(D).4 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Delete the following text:
5.4.4.3 (D) (4)
(4) Compression-type mechanical fittings shall not be used on any polyamie
polyamide
or polyethylene pipe above 2 in. IPSA size.
Substantiation: Now that polyethylene and polyamide compression-type
fittings have been approved for larger sizes, we should consider deleting this
paragraph
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-266
(Log #24).
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
STERNOLA: This comment covers the deletion of the reference to
thermoplastic fittings in paragraph 5.4.4.1(2). The reason for rejection by the
Committee of this comment is inaccurate as the deletion would not remove the
material from NFPA 58. The proposed deleted paragraph is already located
in 5.4.2(6), 5.4.3(4), and 5.4.4.3(D). It does not belong in Table 5.4.4.1 as the
table is written for metal pipe and fittings. It does not belong in paragraph
5.4.4.1, but it could be located in proposed new 5.4.5. The Committee should
reconsider and accept this comment.
_______________________________________________________________
58-66 Log #76 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.4.5 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.4.5 Fittings for Polyethylene and Polyamide Pipe and Fittings
5.4.4.3* 5.4.5.1 Joints in polyamide and polyethylene pipe and polyethylene
tubing shall be made by heat fusion, by compression-type mechanical fittings,
or by factory-assembled transition fittings
(A) Polyethylene pipe shall not be joined by a threaded or miter joint.
(B) Polyamide and polyethylene fusion fittings shall be recommended by the
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manufacturer for use with LP-Gas and shall conform to one of the following:
1. (1)ASTM D 2683, Standard Specification for Socket-type Polyethylene
(PE) Fittings for Outside Diameter Controlled Polyethylene Pipe; or
2. . (2)ASTM D 3261, Standard Specification for Butt Heat Fusion
Polyethylene (PE) Plastic Fittings for Polyethylene (PE) Plastic Pipe and
Tubing;
3. (3)ASTM F 1055, Standard Specification for Electrofusion Type
Polyethylene Fittings for Outside Diameter Controlled Polyethylene Pipe and
Tubing.
4. (4)ASTM F1733, Specification for Thermoplastic Gas Pressure Pipe,
Tubing and Fittings
(“NOTE: The remaining portion of Section 5.4 should be renumbered.”)
Substantiation: We must use parenthetical numbers for lists to comply with
the Manual of Style. We should insert a new subsection 5.4.5 titled “Fittings
for Polyethylene and Polyamide Pipe and Fittings” to separate polyethylene
and polyamide fittings from metallic pipe and fittings. This would make this
section that covers plastic fittings more “user friendly”. The small remaining
portion of Section 5.4 should then be renumbered.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: I believe that the Committee abrogated its responsibility in
referring these proposals to the NFPA editorial staff. I do not wish to vote on
material sight unseen.
_______________________________________________________________
58-67 Log #78 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.4.6.4 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.4.6.4 Hose, hose connections, and flexible connectors used for conveying
LP-Gas liquid or vapor at pressures in excess of 5 psig (34 kPag), and as
provided in Section 3.4 regardless of the pressure, shall comply with the
following: 5.4.6.4(A) through (D).
(1) (A) Hose shall be designed for a working pressure of 350 psig (2.4
MPag) with a safety factor of 5 to 1 and shall be continuously marked
with LP-GAS, PROPANE, 350 PSI WORKING PRESSURE, and with the
manufacturerʼs name or trademark.
(2) (B) Hose assemblies, after the application of couplings, shall have a
design capability of not less than 700 psig (4.8 MPag). (ROP 58-44)
(3) (C) If a pressure test is performed, such assemblies shall be pressure
tested at 120 percent of the maximum working pressure [350 psig (24 MPag)
minimum] of the hose. (ROP 58-44)
(4) (D) Hose assemblies shall be leak tested at time of installation at not less
than the operating pressure of the system in which they are installed. (ROP
58-44)
Substantiation: These subparagraphs in 5.4.6.4 do not meet the definition
of a list and should be renumbered to comply with the Manual of Style. They
were also numbered as subparagraphs and not as a list in the 2001 Edition of
NFPA 58.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-68 Log #48 Final Action: Reject
( 5-4.6.4(2) [2-4.6.3(b) Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Scott A. Stookey, Phoenix Fire Department
Comment on Proposal No:58-44
Recommendation: Revise Section 2.4.6.3(b) as follows:
5.4.6.4(2) Hose assemblies, after the applications of couplings connections,
shall have a design capability of not less than 700 psig (4.9 Mpag). After
the couplings are applied, hoses used for vapor service at a pressure of
more than 15 PSIG or hoses used for liquid service shall be pressure tested.
When if a pressure test is performed, such assemblies shall be leak pressure
tested at 120 percent of the pressures between the operating pressure and
the maximum working pressure [350 psig (24 Mpag) minimum] of the hose.
Hose assemblies shall be leak tested at time of installation at not less than the
operating pressure of the system in which they are installed.
Substantiation: As written this proposal does not stipulate that any hoses
require a pressure test - instead, it only offers the minimum criteria if it is
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decided that a pressure test is warranted. When this issue was discussed
several individuals raised concerns regarding the need for pressure testing
hoses for vapor service.
The proposed language offers criteria for when pressure testing is required
for hose assemblies. The 15 PSIG value is based on the value used by
the ASME Boiler & Pressure Vessel Code as to its applicability for the
construction of unfired pressure vessels. Secondly, the 15 PSIG value
allows hoses installed in low pressure service regulators to be assembled but
not require a pressure test. Assembled hoses that are used for liquid service
should be pressure tested due to LPGs expansion ratio.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The committee notes that DOT has required
automatic or remote shutoff of cargo tank vehicles, which provides a safe
means to shut off the flow of propane in the event of hose failure.
Leak check not defined and unclear at what pressure it should be done, or
how it should be done.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
BELKE: I believe the proposal should have been accepted, as it explicitly
states when a leak test must be performed, and at what pressure.
_______________________________________________________________
58-69 Log #79 Final Action: Hold
( 5.4.6.6 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Delete the following paragraph.
5.4.6.6 Hose at a pressure of 5 psig (34 kPag) or less used in agricultural
buildings not normally occupied by the public shall be exempt from the
requirements of 5.4.6.4.
Substantiation: This paragraph should be deleted as the exemption indicates
that there are no requirements for hose used for purposes shown. Paragraph
5.4.6.5 just above 5.4.6.6 covers the requirements for hose at a pressure of 5
psig or less in agricultural buildings not normally occupied by the public.
Committee Meeting Action: Hold
Committee Statement: The comment contains new material that has not had
public review.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-70 Log #80 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.4.8 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.4.8* Pipe for Regulator Venting.
5.4.8.1 Pipe Metal pipe or tubing that is used to vent regulators shall meet
the requirements of 2.4.2 5.4.2 and 2.4.3 5.4.3. or shall meet PVC pipe that
meets the requirements of UL 651, Schedule 40 and 80 Rigid PVC Conduit
for Aboveground Service,shall also be permitted to be used to vent regulators.
for aboveground service.
5.4.8.2 Other PVC piping materials and polyethylene and polyamide pipe
and tubing shall not be permitted to be used to vent regulators.
Substantiation: The above two paragraphs have been corrected to cover the
requirements for venting regulators. The reason for changing the wording to
metal pipe in the first line is because 5.4.2 and 5.4.3 also cover polyethylene
pipe that is not allowed for outdoor use. We further cover this restriction in
5.4.9.2 and include other PVC piping materials.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise to read:
5.4.8.1 Pipe or tubing used to vent regulators shall be one of the following:
(1) Metal pipe and tubing in accordance with 5.4.2 and 5.4.3
(2) PVC meeting the requirements of UL 651 (correct title to be inserted)
Committee Statement: Accepted with an editorial revision.
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-71 Log #81 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.5.1.1 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.5.1.1 This section shall apply to pressure-containing metal parts of LP-Gas
equipment including the following: pumps, compressors, vaporizers, strainers,
meters, sight flow indicators, and regulators.
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(2) Compressors 5.5.1.3 Equipment shall be fabricated of materials resistant to deterioration
(3) Vaporizers by LP-Gas under service conditions.
(4) Strainers (A) Pressure-containing metal parts shall be of the following:
(5) Meters 5.5.1.3 Equipment shall be fabricated of materials resistant to deterioration
(6) Sight flow glasses by that are compatible with LP-Gas under service conditions.
(7) Regulators (A) Pressure-containing metal parts shall be made from the of the following
Clean Version materials:
5.5.1.1 This section shall apply to pressure-containing metal parts of LP-Gas Committee Statement: Accepted with the exception of “and shall comply
equipment including pumps, compressors, vaporizers, strainers, meters, sight with 5.5.1.3(A) through (F)”, which is not needed.
flow indicators, and regulators. Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Substantiation: Listing various LP-Gas equipment items vertically takes over Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
an extra 1-1/2 in. of vertical space and it is not any easier to read vertically Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
than it is horizontally.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle _______________________________________________________________
Revise text to read as follows: 58-74 Log #83 Final Action: Accept in Principle
5.5.1.1 This section shall apply to pressure-containing metal parts of LP-Gas ( 5.6.1 )
equipment. _______________________________________________________________
Committee Statement: The list of items is deleted as it can never be Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
complete. Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Number Eligible to Vote: 30 Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27 5.6.1 Indirect vaporizers Vaporizers
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD 5.6.1.1 Indirect vaporizers shall be constructed in accordance with the
applicable provision of the ASME Code for a design pressure of 250 psig (1.7
_______________________________________________________________ MPag) and shall be permanently and legibly marked with the following:
58-72 Log #235 Final Action: Accept (1) The marking required by the ASME Code
( 5-5.1.2, Table 5.5.12, 5.6.1(1), 5.6.1(2), 5.6.1(3), 5.6.1.1, 5.6.3.1, 5.6.5.7, (2) The allowable working pressure and temperature for which designed
5.6.6.1 [2-5.1.2, Table, 2.5.1.2, 2.5.5.1 (a), 2.5.5.1 (a) 2, 2.5.5.2 (4), 2.5.5.2 (f), (3) The name or symbol of the manufacturer
2.5.5.3 (a), 2.5.5.3 (a) 2, 2.5.5.5.(f), 2.5.5.6 Old] ) 5.6.1.1 5.6.1.2 Indirect vaporizers that have an inside diameter of 6 in. (152
_______________________________________________________________ mm) or less are exempt from the ASME Code and shall not be required to be
Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc marked. They shall be constructed for a minimum design pressure of 250 psig
Comment on Proposal No:58-1 (1.7 MPag).
Recommendation: 5.5.1.2 - change “design pressure” to “service pressure Renumber the remaining paragraphs in this section.
rating” Substantiation: As a traditional matter of formatting in past editions of
Table 5.5.1.2 - change “Equipment Design Pressure” to “Service Pressure NFPA 58, we have not written text next to a subsection title as it is not as
Rating” easy to find a title when the text is next to it. An exception to this would be
5.6.1(1) - change “design pressure” to “MAWP” where there is only one paragraph in the subsection. Also, when there is more
5.6.1.(2) - change “allowable working pressure” to “Maximum allowable than one paragraph, we should number the first paragraph after the title and
Working Pressure” put it below the title so that we can refer to the paragraph by its own number
add-Minimum Design metal Temperature____(F at MAWP_____psi rather than the subsection number. Saving time for users of the document
ASME code stamp is a worthwhile goal and we should continue this general rule throughout
Year built NFPA 58. The proposal above is an example of where we did not follow the
Manufacturerʼs serial number standard format and we have recommended a correction. There is also a typo
Type of construction “W” where “Vaporizers” in the title was not capitalized.
Degree of Radiography “RT-_” Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
In Exception change “minimum design pressure” to “MAWP” Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
5.6.1(3) remove “or symbol” for compliance with the Manual of Style.
5.6.1.1 change “design pressure to “MAWP”, 2 places Number Eligible to Vote: 30
5.6.3.1- change “minimum design pressure” to “MAWP” Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
5.6.3.1(2)- change “allowable working pressure” to “MAWP” Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
5.6.5.7- change “design pressure” to “MAWP” Explanatin of Abstention:
5.6.6.1 - change “minimum design pressure” to “pressure rating” STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept _______________________________________________________________
Number Eligible to Vote: 30 58-75 Log #45 Final Action: Accept
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27 ( 5-6.4 [2-5.5.4 Old] )
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD _______________________________________________________________
Submitter: William J. Young, Superior Energy Systems, Ltd.
_______________________________________________________________ Comment on Proposal No:58-46
58-73 Log #247 Final Action: Accept in Principle Recommendation: Revise text to read as follow:
( 5.5.1.3 ) 5.6.4 The minimum rate of discharge in cubic ft of air per minute for pressure
_______________________________________________________________ relief valves for LP-Gas vaporizers, either of the indirect type or direct fired,
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. shall be determined by one of the following as follows: a) and b) stay c)
Comment on Proposal No:58-1 The minimum rate of discharge in cubic ft of air per minute for pressure
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows: relief valves for LP-Gas vaporizers, of either the indirect type or direct fire
Chapter 5 type, shall be at least 150 percent of the rated vaporizing capacity LP-Gas
5.5.1.3 Equipment shall be fabricated of materials resistant to deterioration vaporizers, either of the indirect type or direct fired, shall be at least 150
by LP-Gas under service conditions. percent of the rated vaporizing capacity.
(A) Pressure-containing metal parts shall be of the following: Substantiation: The intent was to use the same wording as found in NFPA
5.5.1.3 Equipment shall be fabricated of materials resistant to deterioration 59. The wording from 59 is clearer than the wording in the ROP.
by that are compatible with LP-Gas under service conditions and shall comply Committee Meeting Action: Accept
with 5.5.1.3(A) through (F). Number Eligible to Vote: 30
(A) Pressure-containing metal parts shall be made from the of the following Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
materials: Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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5.5.1.3 Equipment shall be fabricated of materials compatible with LP-Gas _______________________________________________________________
under service conditions and shall comply with 5.5.1.3(A) through (F). 58-76 Log #84 Final Action: Accept
(A) Pressure-containing metal parts shall be made from the following ( 5.6.4 )
materials: _______________________________________________________________
Substantiation: We have changed “resistant to deterioration” to “that are Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
compatible with” and modified (A) for clarity. Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
Revise text to read as follows: 5.6.4 Vaporizer Pressure Relief Valve.
The minimum rate of discharge in cubic feet of air per minute for pressure
relief valves for LP-Gas vaporizers, either of the indirect type or direct-fired,
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shall be determined as follows: comply with 5.6.4.1(A) and (B).
(1) (A) Based on conservative heat transfer calculations (assuming that the
vaporizing chamber is liquid full), the maximum vapor generating capacity
(rate) shall be determined when maximum heat is available. That vapor rate
shall be converted to an equivalent air rate.
(2) (B) If the vaporizer is direct fired or if a substantial exterior surface is
in contact with the LP-Gas, the sum of the vaporizer surface and the LP-Gas
wetted exterior surface shall be used in conjunction with Table 5.3.3.5 (a) to
determine the required relief valve capacity.
Substantiation: Revised to comply with Manual of Style. Paragraphs (A)
and (B) do not qualify as a list. We also dropped the text below the title of the
subsection as we have recommended before in order to make titles stand out
so that we can find them more easily.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-77 Log #38 Final Action: Reject
( 5-6.4(3) [2-5.5.4(c) Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-46
Recommendation: Reject the proposal as published.
Substantiation: The proposal makes no sense as it is published.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: Refer to Comment 58-75 (Log# 45) which revises
the requirement to be clear.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-78 Log #13 Final Action: Reject
( 5-6.5 [2-5.5.5 Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bill Mahre, Propane Technical Services
Comment on Proposal No:N/A
Recommendation: Delete text to read as follows:
5.5.5.5 Direct gas-fired tank heaters shall be designed exclusively for
outdoor aboveground use and so that there is no direct flame impingement
upon the container and shall comply with the following:
(a) Tank heaters shall be approved and shall be permanently and legibly
marked with the following;
(1) The rated input to the burner in British thermal units per hour
(2) The maximum vaporizing capacity in gallons per hour
(3) The name or symbol of the manufacturer
(b) The heater shall be designed so that it can be removed for inspection of
the entire container.
(c) The fuel gas supply connection to the tank heater shall originate in
the vapor space of the container being heated and shall be provided with a
manually operated shutoff valve at the heater.
(d) The heater control system shall be equipped with an automatic safety
shutoff valve of the manual reset type arranged to shut off the flow of gas to
both the main and pilot burners if the pilot flame is extinguished.
(e) Where installed on a container exceeding 1000 gal. (3.8m3) water
capacity, the heater control system shall include a valve to automatically shut
off the flow of gas to both the main burner and pilot burners if the container
becomes empty of liquid.
burners if the container become empty of liquid.
(f) Direct gas-fired tank heaters shall be equipped with a limit control to
prevent the heater from raising the pressure in the storage container to more
than 75 percent of the pressure shown in the first column of Table 2.2.2.2 that
corresponds with the design of the container (or its ASME Boiler and Pressure
Code equivalent.
Substantiation: The use of direct gas-fired tank heaters should be eliminated
from the Code based on the following:
• Heating equipment of this type is not in production.
• The use of a pilot and main burner near the surface of the propane
container are considered a source of ignition. During the filling operation the
pilot and main burner must be turned off. In 4.2.3.2 the distance from the
point of transfer to the heater is 25 ft and in 3.6.4.6 the distance is 15 ft..
• Direct gas-fired tank heaters can be replaced with modern safe equipment
such as direct-fired vaporizers which are installed15 ft from fill connections
and 10 ft from container surfaces.
• Electric vaporizers can be installed with zero clearances.
• Multiple storage containers which will increase vapor capacity can easily
be installed and will provide for a safe system.
• The installation of a direct gas-fired tank heater poses a safety problem
when the delivery driver transfers product directly into the container. The
pilot and main burner must be extinguished. Accidents have occurred when
this requirement is not followed. Good codes do not force personnel to
perform unusual acts. In heavy snow conditions the direct gas-fired tank
heater causes an area around the container to melt down resulting in a void
around the tank. If the transfer personnel extinguishes the pilot and opens
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the fixed liquid during the transfer operations, plus product released during
the disconnect from the filler valve, propane gas can accumulate in the void
area. Accidents have occurred after the delivery person restored the hose on
the truck and returned to relight the pilot. On a 1000 gal. tank this requires
the person to lay on the ground and create a point of ignition in a possible gas
accumulation.
• A major propane distributor, years ago, created a company policy not to
install, service or refill any container that was equipped with a direct gas-fired
tank heater. This was due to several serious accidents which occurred as
described.
• This code modification would not prohibit the use of existing units in use,
but would not allow new installations.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: To the committeeʼs knowledge these heaters are still
being manufactured and installed.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-79 Log #85 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 5.7.4.7 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
5.7.4.7* LP-Gas appliances used on commercial vehicles shall be approved
for the service and shall comply with the following: 5.7.4.7(A) through (D).
(1) (A) Gas-fired heating appliances and water heaters shall be equipped with
automatic devices designed to shut off the flow of gas to the main burner and
the pilot in the event the pilot flame is extinguished.
(2) (B) Catalytic heating appliances shall be equipped with an approved
automatic device to shut off the flow of gas in the event of combustion failure.
(3) (C) Gas-fired heating appliances and water heaters to be used in vehicles
intended for human occupancy shall be designed for complete separation of
the combustion system and the living space.
(4) (D) If the separation between the combustion system and the living
space is not integral with the appliance, it shall be provided in accordance with
installation requirements in 6.22.5.5.
Substantiation: Revised to comply with the Manual of Style. Paragraphs (A)
through (D) do not qualify as a list with parallel parts, etc.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-80 Log #86 Final Action: Reject
( 6.2.2.1 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.2.2 LP-Gas containers shall be allowed in permitted to be located inside of
buildings only for the following applications in accordance with the following:
(1) Cylinders as specifically provided for in specifically permitted for use
inside of buildings in accordance with Section 6.18.
Substantiation: Edited to comply with the Manual of Style. Paragraph
2.2.1.2 of thw Manual of Style states that the phrase “shall be permitted (to
be)” shall be used to state a permitted use within the codes and standards.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The proposed revision does not clarify the
requirement.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 23 Negative: 4
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
BRUNNER: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
MCTIER: I voted negative because the preprint version of this paragraph
did not comply with the 2003 Manual of Style, and also was too broad in
scope. The term “allowed in buildings only for the following applications:
” should be changed to “permitted to be located inside of buildings in
accordance with the following:”. Section 2.2.1 of the MOS specifically
covers language for permitted uses and the term “shall be permitted (to be)”
shall be used. This requirement is a re-write of paragraph 3.2.2.1 in the 2001
Edition of NFPA 58 that stated: “LP-Gas containers shall be located outside
of buildings”. It then lists seven exceptions and the term “only” was not used
with these exceptions.
MORTIMER: This should be looked at again and reconsidered.
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
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58-81 Log #88 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.3.6 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.3.6 At a consumer site, If the aggregate water capacity of a multicontainer
installation at a consumer site is 501 gal (1.9 m3) or more comprised of
individual containers each with that have a water capacity of less than 125
gal (0.5 m3), and the sum of their capacities is 501 gal (1.9 m 3) or more, the
minimum distances distance of the appropriate portion of shall comply with
Table 6.3.1 shall apply to the aggregate capacity of the containers rather than
the capacity of each container. and the following:
(1) Apply the aggregate capacity rather than the capacity per container.
(2) 6.3.6.1 If more than one such installation is made, each installation shall
be separated from any other installation by at least 25 ft (7.6 m).
(3) 6.3.6.2 The minimum distances between containers shall not be applied to
multicontainer having a water capacity of less than 125 gal (0.5 m3) is 501 gal
(1.9 m3) or more installations.
Substantiation: Reorganized and edited this subsection for clarity.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise 6.3.6 to read:
6.3.6 If the aggregate water capacity of a multicontainer installation is 501
gal (1.9 m3) or more comprised of individual containers each with a water
capacity of less than 125 gal (0.5 m3), the minimum distance shall comply
with Table 6.3.1, and the following:
(1) The aggregate capacity shall be used rather than the capacity per
container.
(2) If more than one such installation is made, each installation shall be
separated from any other installation by at least 25 ft (7.6 m).
(3) The minimum distances between containers shall not be applied to
installations covered by 6.3.6.
Committee Statement: Accepted with an editorial revision.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-82 Log #82 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.3.7 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.3.7 Cylinders installed alongside of buildings shall be located such
installed so that the discharge from the cylinder pressure relief device is
located as follows:
Substantiation: Improved the wording.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
6.3.7 Cylinders installed alongside of buildings shall be located such
positioned so that the discharge from the cylinder pressure relief device is
located as follows:
Committee Statement: Accepted with an editorial revisions.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-83 Log #89 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.3.7 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.3.7 Cylinders installed alongside of buildings shall be located such
installed so that the discharge from the cylinder pressure relief device is
located as follows:
Substantiation: Improved the wording.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-82 (Log
# 82).
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-84 Log #90 Final Action: Reject
( 6.3.9 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.3.9 The distance measured horizontally from the point of discharge of a an
ASME container pressure relief valve to any building opening below the level
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of such discharge shall be in accordance with Table 6.3.9.
Substantiation: Cylinder requirements are located in 6.3.7.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The comment is more than editorial.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-85 Log #91 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.3.9 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
Chapter 6
6.3.9 The distance measured horizontally from the point of discharge of a
container pressure relief valve to any building opening below the level of such
discharge shall be in accordance with Table 6.3.9.
6.3.10 The distance measured in any direction from the point of discharge of
an ASME container pressure relief valve , vent of the fixed maximum liquid
level gauge, and the installed location of the container filling connection to
any exterior source of ignition, openings into direct-vent (sealed combustion
system) appliances, or mechanical ventilation air intakes shall be in
accordance with Table 6.3.9.
(1) the point of discharge of a container pressure relief valve
(2) The vent of a fixed maximum liquid level gauge on a container
(3) The installed location of the filling connection of a container to exterior
sources of ignition, openings into direct-vent (sealed combustion system)
appliances, and mechanical ventilation air intakes.
Substantiation: The rewrite of these paragraphs is similar to the 1998 Edition
language. This version is easy to read and much clearer.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise 6.3.10 to read:
6.3.10 The distance measured in any direction from the point of discharge of
a container pressure relief valve, vent of a fixed maximum liquid level gauge
on a container, and the container filling connection to exterior sources of
ignition, openings into direct-vent (sealed combustion system) appliances, and
mechanical ventilation air intakes shall be in accordance with Table 6.3.9.
Committee Statement: Accepted with an editorial revision
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-86 Log #92 Final Action: Reject
( 6.3.11 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.3.11 Access at the ends or sides of individual underground containers
having a water capacity of 125 gal (0.5 m3) or more shall be provided in
multicontainer installations to facilitate working with cranes or hoists
6.3.12 The horizontal distance between an ASME container of 125 gal. (0.5
m3) or more water capacity and a building where the portion of a portions of
the building that overhangs out of the building wall and an ASME container of
125 gal. (0.5 m3) or more water capacity shall comply with the following: that
are less than 50 ft above the pressure relief valve discharge outlet and project
more than 5 ft (1.5 m) from the building wall shall be in accordance with
6.3.12.1 through 6.3.12.3.
(1) 6.3.12.2 The extended horizontal distance shall be measured from a
point determined by projecting the outside edge of the overhanging structure
vertically downward to grade or other level upon which the container is
installed.
(2) 6.3.12.1 This The horizontal distance shall be extended at least 50 percent
more than the required distance from the container to the building as shown
of the separation distance required in Table 6.3.1 without the overhanging
structure and shall be measured horizontally from the outside edge of the
overhanging structure.
(3) This requirement shall apply only when the overhang extends more than
5 ft (1.5 m) from the building.
(4) This requirement shall not apply when the overhanging structure is 50 ft
(15 m) or more
(5) This requirement shall not apply to ASME containers, 2001 to 30,000 gal
water capacity where the container distance from a building is in accordance
with 6.25.2. (ROP 58-50)
Recommendation: Delete subparagraph above and insert new 6.3.12.3
6.3.12.3 Under no circumstances shall the distances to the building wall be
less than those specified except when the provisions 6.25.3 through 6.25.5 are
met. These distances shall be permitted to be reduced by one-half for ASME
containers of 2001 gal through 30,000 gal water capacity used in systems
complying with Section 6.25.”
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having a water capacity of 125 gal (0.5 m3) or more shall be provided in
multicontainer installations to facilitate working with cranes or hoists
(g) In applying the distance between buildings and ASME containers of
125-gal (0.5-m3) or more water capacity, a minimum of 50 percent of this
horizontal distance shall also apply to all portions of the building that project
more than 5 ft (1.5 m) from the building wall and that are higher than the
relief valve discharge outlet.
6.3.12 The distance between an ASME container 0f 125 gal (0.5-m3) or more
water capacity and a building where portions of the building that are less than
50 ft above the pressure relief valve discharge outlet and project more than 5
ft (1.5 m) from the building wall shall be in accordance with 6.3.12.1 through
6.3.12.3.
6.3.12.1 The distance shall be extended at least 50 percent more than the
required distance from the container to the building as shown in Table 6.3.1
without the overhanging structure and shall be measured horizontally from the
outside edge of the overhanging structure.
6.3.12.2 The extended horizontal distance shall be measured from a point
determined by projecting the outside edge of such overhanging structure
vertically downward to grade or other level upon which the container is in.
6.3.12.3 Under no circumstances shall the distances to the building wall be
less than those specified except when the provisions 6.25.3 through 6.25.5 are
met. These distances shall be permitted to be reduced by one-half for ASME
containers of 2001 gal through 30,000 gal water capacity used in systems
complying with Section 6.25.
Substantiation: The rewrite clarifies the intent of this Section. Suggested
subparagraph (5) in the ROP above is a staff editorial change from the 1998
Edition of NFPA 58 that was inserted into the 2001 Edition. Subparagraph
3-2.2.2(h) of the 1998 Edition covering distance requirements for buildings
with overhanging structures started at the tenth line and stated the following:
“Under no circumstances shall the distances to the building wall be less
than those specified except when the provisions of 3.11.3 and 3.11.4 are
met. These distances shall be permitted to be reduced by one-half for ASME
containers of 2001 gal through 30,000 gal water capacity used in systems
complying with Section 3-11 (present 6.25).” This concept should be inserted
in place of proposed subparagraph (5) in the ROP as shown above. This is
a far cry from exempting the container systems that comply with 6.25 from
all of the requirements of proposed subsection 6.3.12. The same dangers are
involved with 2001 gal to 30.000 gal water capacity underground or mounded
ASME containers as to how to deal with a building projection of more than 5
ft that is less than 50 ft above the pressure relief valve outlet. The same applies
to aboveground ASME containers that have the redundant safety features of
old Section 3.11 (6.25) or meet the low emission transfer requirements of old
Section 3.11 (6.25). As a result of the above, the proposed subparagraph (5)
in the ROP should be deleted and the language shown above with the new
corrected paragraph numbers should be inserted.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The committee beleives that the prepint is clearer.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
FAULHABER: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
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58-87 Log #39 Final Action: Reject
( 6-3.12 [3-2.2.2(g) Old] )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-50
Recommendation: Delete 6.3.12 and replace with the following:
(g) Where portions of a building project more than 5 feet from the exterior
wall of the building, the minimum distance between ASME containers of 125-
gal. or more water capacity and the closest point on a line drawn vertically
from the face of the projection shall be 50% of the distance shown in Table
3.2.2.2.
Substantiation: This is an attempt to clarify the requirement.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The committee beleives that the prepint is clearer.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-88 Log #93 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.4.4 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.4.4 Underground or mounded ASME containers shall be located in
accordance with the following: 6.4.4.1 through 6.4.4.5.
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(1) 6.4.4.1 They shall be located outside of any buildings.
(2) 6.4.4.2 Buildings shall not be constructed over any underground or
mounded containers.
(3) 6.4.4.3 The sides of adjacent containers shall be separated in accordance
with Table 6.3.1 but shall not be separated less than 3 ft (1 m).
(4) 6.4.4.4 Where containers are installed parallel with ends in line, the
number of containers in one group shall not be limited.
(5) 6.4.4.5 Where more than one row of containers is installed, the adjacent
ends of the containers in each row shall be separated by not less than 10 ft (3
m).
Substantiation: This is changed to comply with the Manual of Style as the
divisions are subparagraphs and not a list.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-89 Log #95 Final Action: Accept
( 6.4.5 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.4.5 Additional container installation requirements shall comply with 6.4.5.1
through 6.5.4.14.
Substantiation: This must have been a typo as the original 6.4.5 was not a
complete sentence
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
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58-90 Log #96 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.4.5.5 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
(e) 6.4.5.5 The minimum horizontal separation between aboveground LP-Gas
containers and aboveground tanks containing liquids having flash points below
200°F (93.4°C) shall comply with the following: be 20 ft (6 m).
(1) The minimum separation distance shall be 20 ft (6 m).
(2) 6.4.5.6 No horizontal separation shall be required between aboveground
LP-Gas containers and underground tanks containing flammable or
combustible liquids installed in accordance with NFPA 30, Flammable and
Combustible Liquids Code.
Exception: (3) This provision shall not apply where 6.4.5.7 The requirements
of 6.4.5.6 shall not apply where LP-Gas containers of 125-gal (0.5-m3) or less
water capacity are installed adjacent to fuel oil supply tanks of 660-gal (2.5-
m3) or less capacity. shall be exempt from this requirement.
(f)* 6.4.5.6 6.4.5.8*The minimum separation between LP-Gas containers
and oxygen or gaseous hydrogen containers shall be in accordance with Table
3.2.2.6(f).6.4.10. 6.4.5.8.
Exception: except where 6.4.5.9 Where protective structures having a
minimum fire resistance rating of 2 hours interrupt the line of sight between
uninsulated portions of the oxygen or hydrogen containers and the LP-Gas
containers, no minimum distance shall apply.
(g) 6.4.5.7 6.4.5.10 The minimum separation between LP-Gas containers
and liquefied hydrogen containers shall be in accordance with NFPA 50B,
Standard for Liquefied Hydrogen Systems at Consumer Sites.
(h) Where necessary to prevent flotation due to possible high flood waters
around aboveground or mounded containers, or high water table for those
underground and partially underground, containers shall be securely anchored.
Note to Committee: Moved to the installation section. Moved to 6.6.1.6
(i) 6.4.5.8 6.4.5.11 Where LP-Gas containers are to be stored or used in the
same area with other compressed gases, the Where LP-Gas cylinders are to be
stored or used in the same area with other compressed gases. The Containers
cylinders shall be marked to identify their content in accordance with ANSI/
CGA C-7, Guide to the Preparation of Precautionary Labeling and Marking of
Compressed Gas Containers where LP-Gas containers are to be stored or used
in the same area with other compressed gases.
(j) 6.4.5.9 6.4.5.12 An aboveground LP-Gas container, and any of its parts,
shall not be located within 6 ft (1.8 m) of a vertical plane beneath overhead
electric power lines that are over 600 volts, nominal.
3.2.2.7* 6.4.14 6.4.5.13 Refrigerated LP-Gas containers shall be provided
with located within an impoundment in accordance with Section 9.2 12.2 [12.3
(McTier)] shall be installed around refrigerated LP-Gas containers.
3.2.2.8* Structures such as fire walls, fences, earth or concrete barriers,
and other similar structures shall be avoided around or over installed
nonrefrigerated containers.
6.4.15 6.4.5.14 Structures such as fire walls, fences, earth or concrete
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barriers, and other similar structures over installed nonrefrigerated containers,
shall be in accordance with the following:shall not be permitted around or
or over installed nonrefrigerated containers unless specifically allowed as
follows:
Exception No. 1: (1) Such Structures partially enclosing containers shall be
permitted if designed in accordance with a sound fire protection analysis.
Exception No. 2: (2) Structures used to prevent flammable or combustible
liquid accumulation or flow shall be permitted in accordance with 3.2.2.6(c)
6.4.7. 6.4.5.3
Exception No. 3 (3) Structures between LP-Gas containers and gaseous
hydrogen containers shall be permitted in accordance with 3.2.2.6(f) 6.4.10
.6.4.5.8
Exception No. 4: (4) Structures such as fences Fences shall be permitted in
accordance with 6.17.5
Clear Version
(e)6.4.5.5 The minimum horizontal separation between aboveground LP-Gas
containers and aboveground tanks containing liquids having flash points below
200°F (93.4°C) shall be 20 ft (6 m).
6.4.5.6 No horizontal separation shall be required between aboveground LP-
Gas containers and underground tanks containing flammable or combustible
liquids installed in accordance with NFPA 30, Flammable and Combustible
Liquids Code. This provision shall not apply where
6.4.5.7 The requirements of 6.4.5.6 shall not apply where LP-Gas containers
of 125-gal (0.5-m3) or less water capacity are installed adjacent to fuel oil
supply tanks of 660-gal (2.5-m3) or less capacity.
(f)*6.4.5.8* The minimum separation between LP-Gas containers and
oxygen or gaseous hydrogen containers shall be in accordance with Table
3.2.2.6(f).6.4.5.8.
Exception: 6.4.5.9 Where protective structures having a minimum fire
resistance rating of 2 hours interrupt the line of sight between uninsulated
portions of the oxygen or hydrogen containers and the LP-Gas containers, no
minimum distance shall apply.
(g)6.4.5.10 The minimum separation between LP-Gas containers and
liquefied hydrogen containers shall be in accordance with NFPA 50B,
Standard for Liquefied Hydrogen Systems at Consumer Sites.
(h) Where necessary to prevent flotation due to possible high flood waters
around aboveground or mounded containers, or high water table for those
underground and partially underground, containers shall be securely anchored.
6.4.5.11 Where LP-Gas containers are to be stored or used in the same area
with other compressed gases, the Where LP-Gas cylinders are to be stored
or used in the same area with other compressed gases. the cylinders shall be
marked to identify their content in accordance with ANSI/CGA C-7, Guide to
the Preparation of Precautionary Labeling and Marking of Compressed Gas
Containers
6.4.5.12 An aboveground LP-Gas container, and any of its parts, shall not be
located within 6 ft (1.8 m) of a vertical plane beneath overhead electric power
lines that are over 600 volts, nominal.
3.2.2.7* 6.4.5.13 Refrigerated LP-Gas containers shall be located within an
impoundment in accordance with Section 9.2 12.2 [12.3 (McTier)] shall be
installed around refrigerated LP-Gas containers.
6.4.5.14 Structures such as fire walls, fences, earth or concrete barriers,
and other similar structures: shall not be permitted around or or over installed
nonrefrigerated containers unless specifically allowed as follows:
Exception No. 1: (1) Such Structures partially enclosing containers shall be
permitted if designed in accordance with a sound fire protection analysis.
Exception No. 2: (2) Structures used to prevent flammable or combustible
liquid accumulation or flow shall be permitted in accordance with 6.4.5.3
Exception No. 3 (3) Structures between LP-Gas containers and gaseous
hydrogen containers shall be permitted in accordance with 3.2.2.6(f)6.4.5.8
Exception No. 4: (4) Structures such as fences shall be permitted in
accordance with 6.17.5.
Substantiation: There is no good reason to change this paragraph from what
was stated in the 2001 Edition of NFPA 58 other than changing “containers” to
“cylinders”. The original version makes it easier and quicker to understand.
Made minor changes in text and corrected the numbering errors
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Accept the proposal with the following revision:
6.4.5.11 Where LP-Gas cylinders are to be stored or used in the same
area with other compressed gases, the cylinders shall be marked to identify
their content in accordance with ANSI/CGA C-7, Guide to the Preparation of
Precautionary Labeling and Marking of Compressed Gas Containers
6.4.5.13 Refrigerated LP-Gas containers shall be located within an
impoundment in accordance with Section 12.3.
6.4.5.14 Structures such as fire walls, fences, earth or concrete barriers,
and other similar structures shall not be permitted around or over installed
nonrefrigerated containers unless specifically allowed as follows:
Committee Statement: Accepted with editorial revisions.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-91 Log #94 Final Action: Accept
( 6.5 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
3.2.3 6.5 Location of Transfer Operations.
3.2.3.1*6.5.1* Liquid shall be transferred into containers, including
containers mounted on vehicles, only outdoors or in structures specially
designed for the that purpose.
(a) 6.5.1.1 The transfer of liquid into containers mounted on vehicles shall
not take place within a building but shall be permitted to take place under a
weather shelter or canopy (see 3.9.3.2 6.23.3.3)
(b) 6.5.1.2 Structures housing transfer operations or converted for such use
after December 31, 1972, shall comply with Chapter 7 Chapter 10
(c) 6.5.1.3 The transfer of liquid into containers on the roofs of structures
shall be permitted, provided that the installation conforms to the requirements
contained in 3.2.10 6.6.7 and 3.4.9
(d) 6.5.1.4 The transfer hose shall not be routed in or through any building
except those specified in 3.2.3.1(b) 6.5.1(b). 6.5.1.2.
6.5.2 Filling of containers located outdoors in stationary installations in
accordance with 6.3 shall be in accordance with the following:
(1) Where the point of transfer is located at the container, filling shall be
permitted at that location. permitted to be filled at that location.
(2) ) Where the point of transfer is not located at the container, filling shall
be in accordance with 6.5.3.
6.5.3 If the point of transfer of containers located outdoors in stationary
installations is not located at the container, it shall be located in accordance
with Table 6.5.4
3.2.3.3 6.5.3 6.5.4 Containers not located in stationary installations (see
1.7.67) shall be filled at a location determined by the point of transfer (see
1.7.53) in accordance with Table 3.2.3.3 6.5.3. 6.5.4.
[Insert Table 6.5.3 6.5.4(Table 3.2.3.3 in 01 edition).]
(a) 6.5.4.1 If the point of transfer is
a component of a system covered by Section 3.8 or Chapter 8 Chapter 11, the
requirements of parts A, B, and C of Table 3.2.3.3 6.5.3 6.5.4 shall not apply
to the structure containing the point of transfer.
(b) 6.5.4.2 If LP-Gas is vented to the atmosphere under the conditions
stipulated in 4.3.1, Exception No. 4 7.3.1.2(4), the distances in Table 3.2.3.3
6.5.3 6.5.4 shall be doubled.
(c) 6.5.4.3 If the point of transfer is housed in a structure complying with
Chapter 7 Chapter 10, the distances in Table 3.2.3.3 6.5.3 6.5.4 shall be
permitted to be reduced provided either the exposing wall(s) or the exposed
wall(s) complies the common walls comply with 7.3.1.2.
(d) 6.5.4.4 The distances in Table 3.2.3.3 6.5.3 6.5.4, parts B, C, D, E,
F(b), and J shall be reduced by one-half where the system incorporates the
provisions of low emission transfer as provided in 3.11.5.
Clear Version:
3.2.3 6.5 Location of Transfer Operations.
3.2.3.1*6.5.1* Liquid shall be transferred into containers, including
containers mounted on vehicles, only outdoors or in structures specially
designed for that purpose.
6.5.1.1 The transfer of liquid into containers mounted on vehicles shall
not take place within a building but shall be permitted to take place under a
weather shelter or canopy (see 6.23.3.3)
6.5.1.2 Structures housing transfer operations or converted for such use after
December 31, 1972, shall comply with Chapter 7 Chapter 10
6.5.1.3 The transfer of liquid into containers on the roofs of structures shall
be permitted, provided that the installation conforms to the requirements
contained in 6.6.7 and 3.4.9
6.5.1.4 The transfer hose shall not be routed in or through any building
except those specified in 3.2.3.1(b) 6.5.1.2.
6.5.2 Filling of containers located outdoors in stationary installations in
accordance with 6.3 shall be permitted to be filled at that location.
6.5.3 If the point of transfer of containers located outdoors in stationary
installations is not located at the container, it shall be located in accordance
with Table 6.5.4.
3.2.3.3 6.5.4 Containers not located in stationary installations (see 1.7.67)
shall be filled at a location determined by the point of transfer (see 1.7.53) in
accordance with Table 3.2.3.36.5.4.
[Insert Table 6.5.4(Table 3.2.3.3 in 01 edition).]
6.5.4.1 If the point of transfer is a component of a system covered by
Section 3.8 or Chapter 8 Chapter 11 the requirements of parts A, B, and C
of Table 3.2.3.3 6.5.4 shall not apply to the structure containing the point of
transfer.
6.5.4.2 If LP-Gas is vented to the atmosphere under the conditions stipulated
in 7.3.1.2(4), the distances in Table 3.2.3.3 6.5.4 shall be doubled.
6.5.4.3 If the point of transfer is housed in a structure complying with
Chapter 7 Chapter 10, the distances in Table 3.2.3.3 6.5.4 shall be permitted to
be reduced provided the common walls comply with 7.3.1.2
6.5.4.4 The distances in Table 3.2.3.3 6.5.4, parts B, C, D, E, F(b), and J
shall be reduced by one-half where the system incorporates the provisions of
low emission transfer as provided in 6.25.5.
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Substantiation: Changed and corrected numbering to comply with the
Manual of Style and made a few editorial changes
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
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58-92 Log #10 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6-6.2.1 [3-2.5 Old] )
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Submitter: Bill Mahre, Propane Technical Services
Comment on Proposal No:58-52
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
Installation of Cylinders. Cylinders shall be installed only above ground
and shall be set upon an above grade firm foundation or be otherwise
firmly secured. Flexibility shall be provided in the connecting piping. The
requirements of 3.2.17 shall apply.
Substantiation: The addition of the word ʻabove gradeʼ will provide for an
installation which will deter the corrosion of the foot rings by hostile soils at
the site. The word ʻfirm foundationʼ may actually be below grade where water
can collect and increase the corrosion activity. Section 3.2.5 requires cylinders
to be installed aboveground.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
6.6.2.1 Cylinders shall be installed only above ground and shall be set upon
a firm foundation or otherwise be firmly secured. The cylinder shall not be in
contact with the soil.
Committee Statement: Accepted with a revision for clarity.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
LINDER: No reason is recorded for the committee having rejected this
proposal. The purpose of the proposal was to provide editorial clarity and to
comply with the current manual of style. Since I do not see that the changes
go beyond editorial, I favor the proposal and cast a negative vote.
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58-93 Log #11 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6-6.3.6 [3-2.6.5 Old] )
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Submitter: Bill Mahre, Propane Technical Services
Comment on Proposal No:58-52
Recommendation: In locations where heavy snow can be expected to
cover 95 percent of the aboveground and mounded containers, excluding
the dome cover, for more than 30 consecutive days, the following additional
requirements shall apply.
(a) A stake or other marking shall be installed higher than the highest
anticipated average snow cover depths, up to a height of 15 ft (4.6m).
(b) The installation shall prevent moving of the container by the forces as a
result of snow accumulation.
(c) The average snow cover depths published by the National Weather
Service, in the installation area, shall determine if 6.6.3.6 applies.
Substantiation: These changes identify the Committee vote on a Formal
Interpretation on Section 3.2.6.5. The question ʻWas it the intent of the
committee that tanks completely covered by snow for less than 30 days be
required to have snow stakes?” The answer to the ballot was No.
The modifications to this section remove words in the Code which are
difficult to interpret and enforce. The words like ʻheavyʼ, ʻanticipatedʼ and
ʻexpectedʼ.
Local Codes may substitute additions to this section in an unusual geographic
area.
The present wording could result in an interpretation to require snow stakes
on millions of containers in the snow belt, if a snow storm covered the
container for one day in one hundred years. The original intent was to provide
guidance in higher elevations where the container is covered 4 or 5 continuous
months of the winter season.
The new wording excludes below ground container installations, however
does include mounded containers.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise 6.6.3.6 to read:
6.6.3.6 In locations where heavy the monthly maximum depth of snow
accumulation, as determined from the National Weather Service or other
published statistics, is more than can be expected to cover the height of
aboveground containers, excluding the dome cover the following requirements
shall apply:
(1) A stake or other marking shall be installed higher than the highest
anticipated average snow cover depths, up to a height of 15 ft (4.6m).
(2) The container shall be installed to prevent its movement resulting from
snow accumulation.
Committee Statement: Accepted with editorial clarifications.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
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Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
STANNARD: There is a conflict in the Committeeʼs action on 58-93 and
58-94 as well as 58-130.
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58-94 Log #97 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.6.3.6 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.6.3.6 In locations where snow cover can exceed the height of container,
snow stakes shall be installed. The height of the top of the snow stake above
grade shall be 90 percent of the average annual accumulated snow cover, but
not more than 15 ft.
(a) (A) A stake, method or other marking device shall be installed when
mechanical equipment used to remove snow within 5 ft (1.5 m) of the
container.
(b) (B) A stake, method or other marking device shall be installed when
container is located within 10 ft (3.1 m) of roads or driveways on which
vehicles operate.
(c) (C)The installation shall prevent moving the container by forces as a
result of snow accumulation.
Substantiation: Corrected to comply with Manual of Style. We are using
parenthetical upper case letters for subparagraphs. Parenthetical lower case
letters can only be used as divisions of lists.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
STANNARD: See me comment on 58-93 (Log #11).
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58-95 Log #40 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6-6.3.6(2) [3-2.6.5(c) Old] )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-52
Recommendation: Revise the Committee Action by deleting 6.6.3.6(2).
Substantiation: Part (c) of the Committee Action is factually incorrect
because the stake cannot prevent the movement of the container.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-93 (Log
#11) where the revisions address the concerns in the comment.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-96 Log #99 Final Action: Accept
( 6.6.5.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.6.5.4 Where portable storage containers are installed at isolated locations
with the bottoms of the skids or runners above the ground either fire resistive
supports shall be provided, or non-fire resistive supports shall be permitted
when all the following conditions are met:
Substantiation: Portable storage containers have skids and runners.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-97 Log #100 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.6.6 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.6.6 Installation of Underground and Mounded Containers.
6.6.6.1 ASME container assemblies listed for underground installation,
including interchangeable aboveground-underground container assemblies,
shall be installed underground as follows: in accordance with 6.6.6.1(A)
through (L).
(1) (A) Containers installed in areas with no vehicle traffic shall be installed
at least 6 in. (15 cm) below grade.
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(2) (B) —————————————
\ \
(7) (G) ————————————-
(a) (1)As much liquid LP-Gas as practical shall be removed through the
container liquid withdrawal connection.
(b)* (2)*As much of the remaining LP-Gas vapor as practical shall be
removed through a vapor connection.
(c) (3)The vapor shall either be recovered, burned, or vented to the
atmosphere.
\ from the Preprint. Paragraph numbers were used in the comment instead of
(5)
(8) (H) ——————————————-
\ \
(12) (L) ——————————————
Substantiation: The parenthetical numbers are changed to parenthetical
upper case letters and the parenthetical lower case letters are changes to
parenthetical numbers to comply to the Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-98 Log #101 Final Action: Accept
( 6.6.6.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.6.6.3 Mounded containers shall be installed as follows:
(1)* Mounding material shall be earth, sand, or other noncombustible,
noncorrosive materials and shall cover the container for at least 1 ft (0.3 m).
and shall provide a minimum thickness of cover for the container of at least
1 ft.
Substantiation: Language is changed to improve clarity.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-99 Log #102 Final Action: Reject
( 6.6.7.2 )
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Note: The Ballot on this Comment did not receive the required two-thirds
affirmative vote of the Committee, but the comment is still rejected
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.6.7.2 Where the authority having jurisdiction and the fire department have
approved an installation of a container, it shall comply with the following:
6.6.7.3 through 6.6.7.21.
(1) 6.6.7.3 The building shall be of Type I, 443 or 332, or Type II, 222
construction as specified in NFPA 220, Standard on Types of Building
Construction.
(2) 6.6.7.4 LP-Gas containers installed on roofs shall be 2000 gal water
capacity or less.
\ Committee Meeting Action: Accept
(21) 6.6.7.21 ————————————————————————-
Substantiation: Numbering changed to comply with the Manual of Style as
the (19) subparagraphs do not meet the definition of lists.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement:The introductory statement is not needed.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 15 Negative: 12
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
BOGAN: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment. I feel that the committee needs
to re-group and take a second look at this item.
BRUNNER: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
FAULHABER: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
HAYES: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
HOFFMANN: It is my understanding that significant issues exist with this
item and it should be revisited.
LEWIS: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
MAXON: I feel this item needs further review by the full committee.
MCTIER: This comment covers changes in the numbering system used in
the Preprint to meet the numbering requirements of the 2003 MOS for 6.6.7
Installation of Containers on Roofs of Buildings. It does just that even though
the Committee statement says: “The introductory statement is not needed”.
This is interesting since the introductory statement comes directly from the
Preprint. Paragraph numbers were used for lists as these various paragraphs
cannot be considered a list based on the definitions of lists in the 2003 MOS
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shown in 3.3.1. The Committee statement should be withdrawn and the action
taken reversed.
MISEL: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
MORTIMER: This should be looked at again and reconsidered.
STERNOLA: This comment covers changes in the numbering system used
in the Preprint to meet the numbering requirements of the 2003 MOS for
6.6.7 Installation of Containers on Roofs of Buildings. It does just that even
though the Committee statement says: “The introductory statement is not
needed”. This is interesting since the introductory statement comes directly
the parenthetical numbers used for lists as these various paragraphs cannot be
considered a list based on the definitions of lists in the 2003 MOS shown in
3.3.1. The Committee statement should be withdrawn and the action taken
reversed.
VOLGSTADT: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
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58-100 Log #CC36 Final Action: Accept
( 6.6.7.2 )
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Submitter: Technical Committee on Liquefied Petroleum Gases
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Add a new 6.6.7.2 (15) to read:
The location of the container shall have fixed stairs or another method to
reach it.
Renumber subsequent paragraphs.
Substantiation: To restated a requirement that was deleted in error.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-101 Log #98 Final Action: Reject
( 6.6.7.2(15) )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.6.7.2 (15) The location of the container shall have methods such as fixed
stairs or another other safe method methods to reach it.
Substantiation: This paragraph was left out of the ROP Preprint.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The proposed revision does not clarify the
requirement.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-102 Log #CC37 Final Action: Accept
( 6.6.7.2(18) )
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Submitter: Technical Committee on Liquefied Petroleum Gases
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise 6.6.7.2 (18) to read:
(18) A fire safety analysis shall be conducted in accordance with 3.10.2.2.
Substantiation: The paragraph is replaced by (19.)
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-103 Log #103 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.6.7.2(3), (14) AND (16) )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.6.7.2 (3), (14), and (16)
(3) The aggregate water capacity of LP-Gas containers installed on the
roof or terrace of one a building shall not exceed 4000 gal. in one location.
Additional installations shall be located at least 50 ft (15.2 m) apart.
(14) The location of containers shall permit access to all valves and controls
and shall have enough surrounding area to permit the required maintenance.
(16) If the container location is higher than 23 ft (7 m) from the ground, or
the filling hose cannot be observed by the operators in its entire length, the
container shall have a filling line constructed to withstand liquid transfer, and
it shall have the following appurtenances: filler filler valve with back check
valve, filler valve cap, two control valves, hydrostatic relief valve, and venting
line.
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Substantiation: These three subparagraphs have been edited to improve
clarity and to corrects typo.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
(3) The aggregate water capacity of LP-Gas containers installed on the
roof or terrace of one a building shall not exceed 4000 gal. in one location.
Additional installations on the same roof or terrace shall be located at least 50
ft (15.2 m) apart.
Committee Statement: Accepted with an editorial revision.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
STOOKEY: This change to the standard is not editorial. It is a technical
change that was not considered by the whole committee during the ROP
phase. It was proposed as an editorial change. This proposal would allow
multiple 4,000-gallon w.c. installations on the roofs of high-rise buildings of
types 443 and 332 construction when each installation is separated by at least
50 feet. This is a significant increase in the permitted amount of LP-Gas on
roofs of high rise buildings.
The 2001 edition of NFPA 58 currently limits the maximum amount of
LP-Gas in ASME containers on high-rise building roofs to 4,000 gallons.
This editorial change would allow an unlimited volume of LP-Gas storage
on building roofs so long as the separation distance between each container
or manifolded containers is at least 50 feet and the total amount of LP-Gas
in each manifolded or single container is 4,000 gallons w.c. or less. For
example, consider a high-rise building that has a roof measuring 120 feet
by 120 feet in length and width. The proposal approved by the majority of
the NFPA 58 committee would permit 4-4,000 gallon w.c. LP-Gas container
installations on a hypothetical roof because a 50 foot separation is provided.
The majority of the Committee has now authorized the installation of LP-Gas
bulk plants on building roofs.
The predominance of U. S. fire service membership has never sanctioned
the installation of ASME containers on the roofs of buildings. The Phoenix
Fire Department deleted this section when it adopted the 2001 edition. The
Railroad Commission of the State of Texas which is a regulatory agency for
LP-Gas in the State of Texas, also deleted this section. The installation of
ASME containers on the roofs of high-rise buildings places firefighters at even
greater risk when compared to buildings without ASME containers on their
roofs. This proposal has increased the potential threat to the fire service and
the public that we serve.
The requirements for ASME containers on the roofs of high-rise buildings
have always been flawed. As a fire service professional and Committee
member, the other members of the NFPA 58 committee are aware of my
goal to have this entire section deleted from the standard. The actions of
the majority of the Committee on this proposal further reinforces my desire
that one day the minimum level of safety for the storage and handling of LP-
Gas can be raised. That day will occur when the majority of the NFPA 58
Committee recognizes that these installations are hazardous to the health and
safety of firefighters and high rise building occupants and are not acceptable
to the U. S. fire service.
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58-104 Log #105 Final Action: Reject
( 6.7.1.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.7.1.4 The entry and accumulation of water or other extraneous matter that
could restrict the operation of pressure relief devices or collect in discharge
piping shall be minimized by using one any of the following:
(1) Rain caps or other means
(2) Drain openings where to prevent the accumulation of water. is
anticipated.
Substantiation: Changes are recommended to improve clarity. Eor instance,
drain openings are designed to prevent the accumulation of water.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The comment is more than editorial.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
LINDER: A no vote is cast in that I fail to see this proposal as being more
than editorial and believe that it does add clarity to the code.
_______________________________________________________________
58-105 Log #106 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.7.1.8 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.7.1.8 Shutoff valves shall not be installed between pressure relief devices
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and the container or between the pressure relief devices and the discharge
piping unless a listed pressure relief valve manifold meeting the requirements
6.7.1.9 is used.
6.7.1.9 Listed pressure relief valve manifolds shall be exempt from the
requirements of 6.7.1.8, when the following conditions are met:
(1) Two or more pressure relief devices are installed in a the manifold
(2) Only one pressure relief device in the manifold is designed to shut-off at
any one time
(3) The remaining pressure relief device(s) remain open and provide the rated
relieving capacity required for the container.
6.7.1.10 A shutoff valves shall not be installed between a pressure relief
device and the pressure relief device discharge piping.
Substantiation: Clarified paragraph 6.7.1.8 to cover relief valve manifold
reference and put in a separate paragraph covering no shutoff valves in relief
valve discharge piping.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise to read:
6.7.1.8 Shutoff valves shall not be installed between pressure relief devices
and the container or between the pressure relief devices and the discharge
piping.
6.7.1.9 Listed pressure relief valve manifolds shall be exempt from the
requirements of 6.7.1.8, when all of the following conditions are met:
(1) Two or more pressure relief devices are installed in a manifold
(2) Only one pressure relief device in the manifold is designed to shutoff at
any one time
(3) The remaining pressure relief device(s) remain open and provide the
rated relieving capacity required for the container
6.7.1.10 The pressure relief valve discharge piping from underground
Committee Statement: The requirement is revised using the concept in the
proposal.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-106 Log #8 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6-7.1.10 [3-2.11.6 Old] )
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Submitter: Bill Mahre, Propane Technical Services
Comment on Proposal No:58-55
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
The relief valve discharge piping from underground containers of 2000 gal.
(7.6m3) or less water capacity, shall extend beyond the manhole or housing
and or shall discharge into the manhole or housing where the manhole or
housing is equipped with ventilated louvers, or their equivalent, in accordance
with 2.3.7(d).
Exception: Pressure relief devices installed in underground dispensing
stations shall be piped vertically upward to a point at least 10 ft (2m) above
the ground. Discharge piping shall be supported and protected against
physical damage. Valves in discharge piping shall be in accordance with
3.2.11.9.
Substantiation: The wording changes in this section will clarify the intent of
the code. The exception applies to only underground dispenser containers.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
6.7.1.10 The pressure relief valve discharge piping from underground
containers of 2000 gal (7.6 m3) or less water capacity shall extend beyond
the manhole or housing and or shall discharge into the manhole or housing,
where the manhole or housing is equipped with ventilated louvers, or their
equivalent, in accordance with 5.3.8.1(8).
6.7.1.11 Pressure relief valve discharge on underground containers of more
than 2000-gal (7.6-m3) water capacity shall be piped vertically and directly
upward to a point at least 7 ft (2.1 m) above the ground.
6.7.1.12 Pressure relief devices installed in underground containers in
dispensing stations shall be piped vertically
Committee Statement: Accept the proposal, which has already been
accomplished in the preprint, and further revise 6.7.1.10 to correct and error.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-107 Log #107 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.7.1.10 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.7.1.10 The pressure relief valve discharge piping from underground
containers of 2000 gal (7.6 m3) or less water capacity shall shall be located
above the expected maximum water table extend beyond the manhole or
housing and shall be permitted to discharge into the manhole or housing,
provided that where the manhole or housing is equipped with ventilated
louvers, or their equivalent, in accordance with 5.3.8.1(8). 5.3.8.4.
6.7.1.11 Pressure relief valve discharge on underground containers of more
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than 2000-gal (7.6-m3) water capacity shall be piped vertically and directly
upward to a point at least 7 ft (2.1 m) above the gowned. ground.
Substantiation: Clarified language and corrected reference in 6.7.1.10.
Corrected typo in 6.7.1.11.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-106
(Log #8).
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-108 Log #108 Final Action: Accept
( 6.7.1.14 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Delete the following text:
6.7.1.14 Discharge piping shall be in accordance with 6.7.1.8.
Substantiation: This paragraph should be deleted because it is meaningless.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Committee Statement: The paragraph is not needed because the reference is
in the same section.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-109 Log #109 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.7.2.1 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.7.2.1 A two-stage regulator system, an integral two-stage regulator, or a
two-psi regulator system shall be required on all fixed piping systems that
serve 1/2 -psig (3.4-kPag) appliance systems [normally operated at 11 in. w.c.
(2.7 kPag) pressure].
(A) The regulators used in these systems shall meet the requirements of
5.7.2.
(Renumber the remaining subparagraphs in this paragraph)
(B) The requirement for two-stage regulation shall include fixed piping
systems for appliances on RVs (recreational vehicles), mobile home
installations, manufactured home installations, catering vehicles, and food
service vehicle installations.
(C) Single-stage regulators shall not be installed in fixed piping systems after
June 30, 1997, except for installations covered as allowed in (D).
(D) The two-stage regulator requirement shall not apply to Single stage
regulators shall be permitted to be used on small portable appliances and
outdoor cooking appliances with input ratings of 100,000 Btu/hr (29 kW) or
less.
(E) Gas distribution systems utilizing multiple second-stage regulators
shall be permitted to use a high-pressure regulator installed at the container
provided a first-stage regulator is installed downstream of the high-pressure
regulator and ahead of the second-stage regulators.
(F) High-pressure regulators with an overpressure protection device and a
rated capacity of more than 500,000 Btu/hr (147 kW) shall be permitted to be
used in two-stage systems where the second-stage regulator incorporates an
integral or separate overpressure protection device.
(G) The overpressure protection device described in (F) shall limit the outlet
pressure of the second-stage regulator to 2.0 psig (14 kPag) when the regulator
seat disc is removed and with an inlet pressure equivalent to the maximum
outlet pressure setting of the high-pressure regulator
(H) Systems consisting of listed components that provide an equivalent level
of overpressure protection shall be exempt from the requirement of 6.7.2.1.
(I)* A two-psi regulator system shall consist of a first-stage regulator and a
2-psi service regulator in compliance with the requirements of 2.5.7 5.7.2 in
conjunction with a line pressure regulator in compliance with ANSI Z21.80/
CSA 6.22, Standard for Line Pressure Regulators.
Substantiation: Paragraph 6.7.2.1(A) was added to allow for an easy
reference to the requirements for regulators that are being installed. The rest of
the suggested changes are for clarity.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
6.7.2.1 A two-stage regulator system, an integral two-stage regulator, or a
two-psi regulator system shall be required on all fixed piping systems that
serve 1/2 -psig (3.4-kPag) appliance systems [normally operated at 11 in. w.c.
(2.7 kPag) pressure].
(A) The requirement for two-stage regulation shall include fixed piping
systems for appliances on RVs (recreational vehicles), mobile home
installations, manufactured home installations, catering vehicles, and food
service vehicle installations.
(B) Single-stage regulators shall not be installed in fixed piping systems after
June 30, 1997, except for installations covered as allowed in (D).
(C) The two-stage regulator requirement shall not apply to Single stage
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regulators shall be permitted on small portable appliances and outdoor cooking
appliances with input ratings of 100,000 Btu/hr (29 kW) or less.
(D) Gas distribution systems utilizing multiple second-stage regulators
shall be permitted to use a high-pressure regulator installed at the container
provided a first-stage regulator is installed downstream of the high-pressure
regulator and ahead of the second-stage regulators.
(F) High-pressure regulators with an overpressure protection device and a
rated capacity of more than 500,000 Btu/hr (147 kW) shall be permitted to be
used in two-stage systems where the second-stage regulator incorporates an
integral or separate overpressure protection device.
(G) The overpressure protection device described in (F) shall limit the outlet
pressure of the second-stage regulator to 2.0 psig (14 kPag) when the regulator
seat disc is removed and with an inlet pressure equivalent to the maximum
outlet pressure setting of the high-pressure regulator
(H) Systems consisting of listed components that provide an equivalent level
of overpressure protection shall be exempt from the requirement of 6.7.2.1.
(I)* A two-psi regulator system shall consist of a first-stage regulator and a
2-psi service regulator in compliance with the requirements of 2.5.7 5.7.2 in
conjunction with a line pressure regulator in compliance with ANSI Z21.80/
CSA 6.22, Standard for Line Pressure Regulators.
Committee Statement: Accepted with editorial revisions. Reference to
Chapter 5 is deted as it is already mandated.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-110 Log #110 Final Action: Reject
( 6.7.3.3(2) )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.7.3.3(2)
(1) Regulators on cylinders installed indoors in accordance with Section 6.18
(2) Regulators on containers of less than 125-gal (0.5- m3) water capacity for
the purpose of being filled or in structures complying with Chapter 10
6.7.3.4(B)
(B) Regulators used for portable industrial applications shall be exempt from
the requirements of 6.7.3.2.
Substantiation: Both of the last two paragraphs were created from
exemptions in the 2001 Edition of NFPA 58 and they do not make any sense.
For instance, how can you fill a container with the regulator attached, and
regulator with a protected vent can cause erratic operation if it is plugged.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The comment is more than editorial.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
LINDER: Clearly the proposal is more than editorial but the proponent is
correct in that the present referenced text does not make sense. I cannot vote
favoring such.
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58-111 Log #104 Final Action: Reject
( 6.7.3.8 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.7.3.8 The discharge from the required pressure relief device of a second-
stage regulator or from the separate pressure relief used with line pressure
regulators other than a line pressure regulator, installed inside of buildings in
fixed piping systems shall comply with the following:
Substantiation: Line pressure regulators do not have integral relief valves
but are combined with separate pressure relief valves when inlet pressures
above 2 psi are provided for them. These separate relief valves should meet
the same requirements as the integral relief valves on second stage regulators.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The comment is more than editorial.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
LINDER: The proponent is correct, the code is flawed. It is reasonable that
the committee would recognize the proposal to be more than editorial however
one could easily make the case that the proposal reflects the original intent
of the code and the committee. I have therefore voted no in the interest of a
better code and in the interest of safety.
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58-112 Log #112 Final Action: Reject
( 6.7.3.8 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.7.3.8
(8) The requirement in 6.7.3.8 shall not apply to appliance regulators
otherwise protected, line pressure regulators listed as complying with ANSI
Z21.80/CSA 6.22, Standard for Line Pressure Regulators, or to regulators used
in connection with containers in buildings as provided for in 6.2.2(1), (2), (4),
(5), and (6).
Substantiation: I deleted (2) because to my knowledge containers are not
filled indoors with regulators attached.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The comment is more than editorial.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-113 Log #113 Final Action: Reject
( 6.8.1.1 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.8.1.1 The physical state (vapor or liquid) and pressure at which LP-Gas
shall be transmitted through piping systems shall be as follows:
(1) Outdoor LP-Gas liquid or vapor metallic piping systems shall have no
pressure limitations.
(2) Outdoor LP-Gas liquid or vapor, polyamide piping systems shall have
pressure limitations as defined by the design pressure of the piping being
installed. (ROP 58-57)
Substantiation: The above deleted paragraph should be reviewed by the
Committee before it is included in NFPA 58. It sounds as though polyamide
can be used at any pressure that is equivalent to the design pressure. This is
not the case for polyethylene where we have a 30 psig pressure limitation for
vapor service.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: Polyamide can be used at any pressure up to its
design pressure. It is not affected by LP-Gas liquid or vapor as polyethylene
is.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-114 Log #114 Final Action: Reject
( 6.8.1.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.8.1.3 Piping systems in buildings or structures under construction or
undergoing major renovation, where the temporary piping is in accordance
with 3.4.2 and 3.4.10.2. 6.18.11.
6.8.1.4 Liquid piping systems in buildings or structures feeding a vaporizer,
other than those covered by 3.2.13(c) Exception No. 1 and No. 2 6.8.1.2 (1)
through (3) shall comply with the material piping requirements of Chapter 11.
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: Changes are covered in the errata. Change of
“material” to “piping” is not substantiated.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-115 Log #116 Final Action: Accept
( 6.8.3.3 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.8.3.3
(2) Vapor LP-Gas piping with operating pressures in excess of 125 psig
(0.9 MPag) and liquid piping not covered by 6.8.3.3(a) 6.8.3.3(1) shall be
designed for a working pressure of at least 250 psig (1.7 MPag).
6.8.3.4 Safety Pressure relief valve discharge piping shall be exempt from the
requirement of 6.8.3.3(3).
Substantiation: Reference correction and using the term “pressure relief
valve”.
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Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-116 Log #236 Final Action: Accept
( 6-8.3.3(1) and(3), 6.8.3.5(2) [3-2.15.2(a) and (c), 3.2.15.3 (b) Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 6.8.3.3(1) and (3)- change “working pressure” to
“pressure rating”
6.8.3.5(2) - change “working pressure” to “pressure rating”
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-117 Log #117 Final Action: Accept
( 6.8.3.9 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.8.3.9 Piping systems including interconnecting of permanently installed
containers shall compensate for expansion, contraction, jarring and vibration,
and for settling.
(A) The use of metallic flexible connectors complying with 5.4.6 shall be
permitted.
(B) The use of nonmetallic pipe, tubing, or hose for permanently
interconnecting containers shall be prohibited
Substantiation: Editorial correction.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-118 Log #41 Final Action: Accept
( 6-8.3.12 [3-2.15.8 Old] )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-58
Recommendation: Revise as follows:
6.8.3.12 Buried metallic pipe and tubing shall be installed underground with
a minimum 12 in. of cover. The minimum cover shall be increased to 18 in.
if external damage to the pipe or tubing from external forces is not likely to
result. (Remainder unchanged).
Substantiation: Editorial correction.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-119 Log #49 Final Action: Reject
( 6-8.4.1 [3-2.16.1(b) Old] )
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Submitter: Scott A. Stookey, Phoenix Fire Department
Comment on Proposal No:58-59
Recommendation: The following amendments are offered to the proposal:
6.8.4.1 Polyethylene pipe, tubing and fittings shall be installed outdoors
underground only.
Exception No. 1: Polyethylene or other approved nonmetallic thermoplastic
tubing may be used outdoors above ground where:
(1) The tubing is used as part of a safety shutdown system where LP-Gas is
used as the working fluid.
(2) Tubing size is limited to a maximum of 1/4 in. (6 mm) outside diameter
OD.
(3) Pressure is controlled to prevent the formation of liquid.
(4) Under emergency conditions, tThe LP-Gas supply is limited to 20 cu ft
per hr (.56 cu m), and
(5) Any flame from the LP-Gas supply will not impinge on a container or
permanent piping.
Substantiation: The proposed language is a good first step for allowing
this common practice. At every bulk LP-Gas plant in the City of Phoenix,
LP-Gas in vapor service is used as the fluid for operating emergency shutoff
valves. Three proposal changes are suggested. First, other nonmetallic
thermoplastic tubing is acceptable for LP-Gas service. While the section is
titled “Polyethylene Pipe, Tubing and Fittings,” the fact remains that other
acceptable thermoplastics are available and neither the user nor the AHJ
should be restricted in its application for this particular use. Item 4 is revised
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because the volume is a function of the tubing diameter, not if the tubing
is undergoing normal or emergency conditions. Finally, item 5 is deleted
because the amount being released is negligible when compared to a liquid or
vapor line failure.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Comment 58-120 (Log # CC44)
which deletes the requirement.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-120 Log #CC44 Final Action: Accept
( 6.8.4.1 )
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Submitter: Technical Committee on Liquefied Petroleum Gases
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 1. Revise the action to reject the proposal.
2. Revise 6.8.4.1 to read:
6.8.4.1 Polyethylene and polyamide pipe, tubing and fittings shall be
installed outdoors underground only or outdoors aboveground in accordance
with 6.8.4.13.
Substantiation: The committee is advised of several problems with the
proposed text. The current code referenced specification for the materials
does not cover the size specified in the proposal. The UV resistance of the
material has not been adressed in the proposal. Polyethylene is not permitted
for propane service at pressures above 30 psi.
Paragraph 6.8.4.1 is revised to delete reference to 6.8.4.13 as it is deleted.
The committee encourages a more comprehensive proposal to the next
edition on this subject.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-121 Log #26a Final Action: Reject
( 6.8.4.1, 6.11 )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-59
Recommendation: Revise 6.8.4 and 6.8.4.1:
6.8.4 Polyethylene and Polyamide Pipe, Tubing and Fittings
6.8.4.1 Polyethylene and polyamide pipe, tubing and fittings shall be
installed outdoors underground, only except as provided in 3.2.20.1.
Insert a new 6.11 & 6.11.1:
6.11 LP-Gas vapor shall be permitted to be used as a pressure source for
activating the remote shutoff mechanisms of internal valves and emergency
shutoff valves.
6.11.1 Polyethylene and polyamide tubing shall be permitted to be installed
outdoors above ground as part of a safety shutdown system and shall meet the
following requirements:
(1) The tubing is compatible with LP-Gas.
(2) Tubing size is limited to a maximum of 3/8 in. (9.0 mm) outside
diameter.
(3)*Supply pressure is controlled to prevent condensation of the LP-Gas
vapor.
(4) The LP-Gas supply maximum flow to the system shall not exceed that
from a No. 54 drill orifice.
A .6.11.1 If LP-Gas vapor is supplied at container pressure and there is no
flow, an ambient temperature drop below the container liquid temperature
will result in condensation of the LP-Gas vapor. If the system is activated,
the presence of liquid may result in a delay or malfunction of the system
operation.
Substantiation: There are numerous bulk plant installations in the United
States that are successfully using LP-Gas vapor as a pressure source for
activating remote shutoffs. Any pressure source offers different characteristics
that must be considered in the design of a remote shut down system.
LP-Gas is inexpensive, readily available, free of moisture and provides a
reliable pressure source. When a remote shut down system utilizing LP-Gas
vapor is properly designed, the system provides an equivalent level of safety
to other pressure sources. The proposed system may also increase the level
of safety by providing a reliable and readily available pressure source for
activating the remote shutoffs.
The proposed maximum tubing size has been increased from 1/4 in. to 3/8 in.
OD to allow greater flexibility in system design. The quantity of gas released
in the event of tubing failure is limited by an inlet orifice.
The proposal allows the current systems that have been operating with
no accident history to continue. Guidance for designing LP-Gas systems
is provided in the appendix. The proposed guidance recognizes different
environmental conditions that must be considered during the design phase of
the system.
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Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action in Comment 58-120 (Log
# CC44) to delete the requirement.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-122 Log #111 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.8.4.2 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.8.4.2 Polyethylene and polyamide pipe and tubing shall be buried as
follows:
(1) With a minimum 18 12 in. (460 mm) of cover
(2) With a minimum of 12 18 in. (300 mm) of cover if external damage to
the pipe or tubing is not likely to result
(3) With piping installed in conduit or bridged (shielded) If if a minimum 12
in. (300 mm) of cover cannot be provided. with piping installed in conduit or
bridged (shielded).
Substantiation: The above are editorial changes to clarify the burial
requirements for pipe and to point out that burial to 18 in. is only required
when there is a chance for external damage.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
6.8.4.2 Polyethylene and polyamide pipe and tubing shall be buried as
follows:
(1) With a minimum 18 12 in. (300 mm) of cover
(2) With a minimum of 12 18 in. (460 mm) of cover if external damage to
the pipe or tubing is not likely to result
(3) With piping installed in conduit or bridged (shielded) If if a minimum 12
in. (300 mm) of cover cannot be provided. with piping installed in conduit or
bridged (shielded).
Committee Statement: Accepted with an editorial revisions.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-123 Log #119 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.9 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.9 Internal Valves.
6.9.1 All of the following requirements of 6.9.2 through 6.9.5 shall be
required for internal valves in liquid service that are installed in containers
over 4000 gal (15.2 m3) water capacity by July 1, 2003.
6.9.1 6.9.2 Internal valves shall be installed in accordance with Table 5.3.4.4
5.3.4.3 and Table 5.3.4.3 on containers over 4000-gal (15.2-m3) water capacity.
6.9.2 6.9.3 The Automatic shutdown of internal valves in liquid service shall
be provided using thermal (fire) actuation, The thermal sensing element of the
internal valve shall be within 5 ft (1.5 m) of the internal valve.
6.9.3 6.9.4 At least one remote shutdown station for internal valves in liquid
service shall be installed not less than 25 ft (7.6 m) or more than 100 ft (30 m)
from the liquid transfer point. This shall be retroactive to all internal valves
required by the Code.
6.9.4 6.9.5 Emergency remote shutdown stations shall be identified by a
sign, visible from the point of transfer, incorporating the words “Propane —
Container Liquid Valve Emergency Shutoff” in block letters of not less than 2
in. (51 mm) in height on a background of contrasting colors to the letters
Substantiation: We should not delete 6.9.1 (old paragraph 3.2.18.1) as
recommended in the ROP as shown above for the following reasons. Many
internal valves were installed prior to the requirement for their use on liquid
withdrawal connections on containers. The retrofit requirements for the
installation of internal valves or, as an alternative, emergency shutoff valves
with remote closure operation and automatic shutoff by thermal means have a
compliance date of July 1,2011. The committee decided that we should require
the installation of the remote and thermal shutoffs and identified emergency
remote shutdown stations on existing internal valves by July 1, 2003 rather
than wait till July 1, 2011. If we leave this out, there will be nothing in the
requirements to indicate that we want these features installed by July 1, 2003
and many internal valves that were installed before the 2001 Edition will not
be retrofitted with the remote and thermal shutoff protection and identified
shutdown stations until July 1, 2011. In that 8 year period we might save a
catastrophe by the use of the remote shutoff and automatic thermal shutoff
protection. We should leave this alone until after July 1, 2011.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise 6.9.1 to read:
6.9.1 The requirements of 6.9.2 through 6.9.5 shall be required for internal
valves in liquid service that are installed in containers over 4000 gal (15.2 m3)
water capacity by July 1, 2003.
Remainder unchanged.
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Committee Statement: Accepted with an editorial revisions.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-124 Log #230 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.9.3 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Mike Osmundson, Lexicon Propane Group
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise the paragraph to read:
At least one remote shutdown station for internal valves in liquid service
shall be installed not less than 25 ft (7.6 m) or more than 100 ft (30 m) from
the internal valve liquid transfer point. This shall be retroactive to all internal
valves required by the Code.
Substantiation: 1. The location of the remote shutdown station is now
dimensioned in the Code from the liquid transfer point, not from the internal
valve. If the liquid transfer point is within 25 to 100 ft of the internal valve,
the shutdown station could be placed at the internal valve, entirely defeating
the purpose of the remote shutdown.
2. If a plant owner elects to update their tank valves by installing Emergency
Shutoff Valves instead of internal valves, the location of the remote shutdown
station is dimensioned (via 6.10.10(2)) from the ESV not the transfer point.
For emergency response personnel, the expected location of shutdown
stations should be consistent regardless of the type of valve selected. Also,
shutdown stations for tank valves should not be required to be located at the
existing location for bulkhead shutdown stations because this location may not
be appropriate or practical for all plants.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
6.9.3 At least one remote shutdown station for internal valves in liquid
service shall be installed not less than 25 ft (7.6 m) or more than 100 ft (30 m)
from the liquid transfer point. This shall be retroactive to all internal valves
required by the Code.
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Comment 58-273(Log #245)
which resolves the conflict addressed in the comment.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 25 Negative: 2
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
STANNARD: The Committee statement refers to a proposal on a
completely different subject. I have no idea what the action of the Committee
really was.
YOUNG: 6.9.3 remote should be min. 25ʼ from transfer and the internal
valves. Add a common remote shutoff for internal valves and transfer ESV
are permitted.
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58-125 Log #120 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.10.1 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.10.1 On new installations and, on existing installations, stationary container
storage systems with an aggregate water capacity of more than 4000 gal (15.1
m3) utilizing a common or manifolded liquid transfer line that is larger than
1-1/2 in. (39 mm) or larger and a pressure equalizing vapor line that is larger
than 1-1/4 in. (32 mm) or larger shall be equipped emergency shutoff valves.
Substantiation: There was an error made when this paragraph was
transposed to the new 2001 Edition of NFPA 58 and the above correction of
the language corrects the mistake. The above corrected language is shown
in the 1998 Edition and the Committee did not address any change in this
paragraph for the 2001 Edition. It should have been in the errata, but no one
caught this mistake until after the errata had been published.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise 6.10.1 to read:
6.10.1 On new installations and, on existing installations, stationary container
storage systems with an aggregate water capacity of more than 4000 gal (15.1
m3) utilizing a common or manifolded liquid transfer line that is larger than
1-1/2 in. (39 mm) or larger and a pressure equalizing vapor line that is larger
than 1-1/4 in. (32 mm) or larger shall be equipped emergency shutoff valves.
Committee Statement: The proposal is accepted and the words “common or
manifolded” are deleted to clarify the committeeʼs intent that the requirement
for an excess flow valve apply to systems of single and multiple containers
when the aggregate storage exceeds 4,000 gal.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-126 Log #CC45 Final Action: Accept
( 6.10.10 (3) )
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Submitter: Technical Committee on Liquefied Petroleum Gases
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Add a new 6.10.10 (3) to read:
6.10.10 (3) Where an emergency shutoff valve is used in lieu of an internal
valve in compliance with 5.3.4.2 (D) (2), the remote shutoff device shall be
installed in accordance with 6.9.3.
Substantiation: This resolves a conflict brough to the attention of the
committee in Comment 58- (Log # 230).
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-127 Log #121 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.10.11 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.10.11 Emergency shutoff valves for railroad tank car transfer systems
shall be in accordance with 6.17.2 6.7.2.3, 6.17.2.6, 6.17.2.7, 6.25.4, 7.2.3.6,
7.2.3.7, and 7.2.3.9.
Substantiation: Corrected reference numbers.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: This is covered in the ROP errata.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-128 Log #122 Final Action: Accept
( 6.11 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.11 Hose for Portable Appliances. The requirements of this section shall
apply to hose used on the low-pressure side of regulators to connect to other
than domestic and commercial appliances.
6.11.1 The appliance connected shall be of a portable type.
Rewrite the above as follows:
6.11 Hose for Portable Appliances
6.11.1 The requirements of Section 6.11 apply to hoses used on the low-
pressure side of regulators to connect to portable appliances.
Substantiation: Reworded for clarity and separated the section title from the
text.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-129 Log #123 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.12 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.12 Hydrostatic Relief Valve Installation. A hydrostatic relief valve or a
device providing pressure-relieving protection shall be installed in each section
of piping (including hose) in which liquid LP-Gas can be isolated between
shutoff valves so as to relieve the pressure that could develop from the trapped
liquid to a safe atmosphere or product-retaining section.
6.13 Testing Piping Systems. After assembly, piping systems (including hose)
shall be tested and proven free of leaks at not less than the normal operating
pressure.
6.13.1 Piping within the scope of NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code shall be
pressure tested in accordance with that code.
6.13.2 Tests shall not be made with a flame.
Change the format of the above two sections to separate the section titles
from the text, use a paragraph number if there is more than one paragraph so it
can be identified as a separate paragraph, and renumber as follows:
6.12 Hydrostatic Relief Valve Installation.
A hydrostatic relief valve or a device providing pressure-relieving
protection shall be installed in each section of piping (including hose) in
which liquid LP-Gas can be isolated between shutoff valves so as to relieve
the pressure that could develop from the trapped liquid to a safe atmosphere or
product-retaining section.
6.13 Testing Piping Systems.
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6.13.1 After assembly, piping systems (including hose) shall be tested and
proven free of leaks at not less than the normal operating pressure.
6.13.1 6.13.2 Piping within the scope of NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code
shall be pressure tested in accordance with that code.
6.13.2 6.13.3 Tests shall not be made with a flame.
Substantiation: None given.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-130 Log #124 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.14 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.14 Areas of Heavy Snowfall. In areas where heavy snowfall is anticipated,
piping, regulators, meters, and other equipment installed in the piping system
shall be protected from the forces anticipated as a result of accumulated snow.
Change above title and separate it from text as follows:
6.14 Installation in Areas of Heavy Snowfall. In areas where heavy snowfall
is anticipated, piping, regulators, meters, and other equipment installed in
the piping system shall be protected from the forces anticipated as a result of
accumulated snow.
Substantiation: Separation of the title from the text has been previously
addressed and the new suggested title more clearly describes what the
paragraph covers.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-93 (Log #11).
_______________________________________________________________
58-131 Log #118 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.16.1 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.16.1 Pump Installation. Pumps shall be installed in accordance with the
pump manufacturersʼ installation instructions
6.16.1.1 Installation shall be made so that the pump casing is not subjected
to excessive strains transmitted to it by the suction and discharge piping.
This protection shall be accomplished by piping design, the use of flexible
connectors or expansion loops, or by other means.
Change Above format to separate the title from the text and number the first
paragraph of the text as follows:
6.16.1 Pump Installation.
6.16.1.1 Pumps shall be installed in accordance with the pump manufacturersʼ
installation instructions
6.16.1.1 6.16.1.2 Installation shall be made so that the pump casing is not
subjected to excessive strains transmitted to it by the suction and discharge
piping. This protection shall be accomplished by piping design, the use of
flexible connectors or expansion loops, or by other means.
(Renumber the remaining paragraphs in 6.15.1.)
Substantiation: Separating the title makes it easier to find and all paragraphs
should be identified.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-132 Log #126 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.16.2 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.16.2 Compressor Installation. Compressors shall be installed in accordance
with the compressor manufacturersʼ installation instructions:
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6.16.2.1 Installation shall be made so that the compressor housing is not be
subjected to excessive strains transmitted to it by the suction and discharge
piping. The use of flexible connectors to isolate the piping shall not be
prohibited.
Change format for title and renumber as follows:
6.16.2 Compressor Installation.
6.16.2.1 Compressors shall be installed in accordance with the compressor
manufacturersʼ installation instructions:
6.16.2.1 6.16.2.2 Installation shall be made so that the compressor housing
is not be subjected to excessive strains transmitted to it by the suction and
discharge piping. The use of flexible connectors to isolate the piping shall not
be prohibited. be permitted to be installed.
(Renumber remaining paragraphs in 6.16.2.)
Substantiation: Separating titles and renumbering is explained earlier.
Editorial changes are made to comply with the Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-133 Log #127 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.16.3 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.16.3 Installation of Strainers. Strainers shall be installed so that the strainer
element can be removed without removing equipment or piping.
6.16.4 Installation of Meters. Liquid or vapor meters shall be installed in
accordance with the manufacturersʼ installation instructions.
6.16.4.1 Liquid meters shall be installed so that the meter housing is not
subject to excessive strains from the connecting piping. If not provided in the
piping design, the use of flexible connectors shall not be prohibited.
6.16.4.2 Vapor meters shall be installed so as to minimize the possibility of
physical damage.
Change the format on the above paragraphs and renumber and make editorial
correction as follows:
6.16.3 Installation of Strainers.
Strainers shall be installed so that the strainer element can be removed without
removing equipment or piping.
6.16.4 Installation of Meters.
6.16.4.1 Liquid or vapor meters shall be installed in accordance with the
manufacturersʼ installation instructions.
6.16.4.1 6.16.4.2 Liquid meters shall be installed so that the meter housing
is not subject to excessive strains from the connecting piping. If not provided
in the piping design, the use of flexible connectors shall not be prohibited.
shall be permitted to be installed.
6.16.4.2 6.16.4.3 Vapor meters shall be installed so as to minimize the
possibility of physical damage.
Substantiation: Separation of titles from text and renumbering has previously
been substantiated.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-134 Log #128 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.17.1 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 6.17.1 Operations & Maintenance. The provisions of
Chapter 14 shall apply to all new and existing LP-gas installations at bulk
plants, industrial occupancies, and industrial plants.
Separate the title from the text as follows:
6.17.1 Operations & Maintenance.
The provisions of Chapter 14 shall apply to all new and existing LP-gas
installations at bulk plants, industrial occupancies, and industrial plants
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Substantiation: The same as before.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-135 Log #129 Final Action: Reject
( 6.17.2.6 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Add text to read as follows:
6.17.2.6 Where a hose or swivel-type piping is used for liquid transfer, it
shall be protected as follows:
(1) An emergency shutoff valve shall be installed at the railroad tank car
end of the hose or swivel-type piping where flow into or out of the tank car is
possible.
(2) An emergency shutoff valve or a backflow check valve shall be installed
on the tank car end of the hose or swivel piping where flow is only into the
railroad type tank car.
(3) Safeguards shall be provided to prevent the uncontrolled discharge
of LP-Gas in the event of the failure of the hose or swivel type piping in
accordance with 5.3.4.2(A) through (H) and Table 5.3.4.3.
Substantiation: This paragraph was removed fro the ROP Preprint and
should be returned as it refers to the protection requirements needed when
installing a bulk plant or industrial plant. It could also be a separate paragraph
in 6.17.2 if desired by the Committee.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The paragraphs proposed are already required.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_____________________________________________________________
58-136 Log #CC39 Final Action: Hold
( 6.17.3 )
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Submitter: Technical Committee on Liquefied Petroleum Gases
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Delete Section 6.17.3.
Substantiation: The section has been superceded by federal law, 49 CFR Part
192.
Committee Meeting Action: Hold
Committee Statement: Didnʼt allow enough time for review.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-137 Log #130 Final Action: Reject
( 6.17.3.1 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.17.3.1 Gas distribution facilities shall include the following:
(1) Gas manufacturing facilities
(2) Gas storage facilities, other than cylinder storage.
(3) Gas–air mixing and vaporization facilities
(4) (3) Compressors Compressor facilities not associated with liquid
transfer
Substantiation: Editorial change to conform with the definition of a list in
the Manual if Style and deletion of (3) as the next paragraph 6.17.3.2 states
that it does not include facilities for gas-air mixing and vaporization facilities.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The comment is more than editorial.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-138 Log #131 Final Action: Reject
( 6.17.3.3 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Add text to read as follows:
6.17.3.3 Separate buildings and attachments to such buildings or rooms
within other buildings housing gas distribution facilities shall comply with
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Chapter 10.
(A) Facilities for vaporizing LP-Gas shall be designed, located, and installed
in accordance with Section 6.20.
(B) Facilities for storing LP-Gas in cylinders at industrial plants and
distributing points shall comply with Chapter 8.
Substantiation: These two added paragraphs were shown as exceptions in the
2001 Edition and have been removed from the ROP. They provide valuable
references for pertinent equipment and should remain in this chapter.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The proposed additional text is not needed.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-139 Log #125 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.17.3.5 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.17.3.5 , Automatic flammable vapor detecting systems shall be installed in
pits used to house gas distribution facilities
Replace the above text with the text that was used in the 1998 Edition of
NFPA 58 as follows:
6.17.3.5 The use of pits to house gas distribution facilities shall be permitted
where automatic flammable vapor detecting systems are installed in the pit.
Substantiation: This paragraph is more clear than the one substituted in 2001.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
6.17.3.5 Gas distribution facilities located in pits shall have automatic
flammable vapor detecting systems.
Committee Statement: Accepted with an editorial change.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-140 Log #133 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.17.4 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 6.17.4 Installation of Electrical Equipment. Installation of
electrical equipment shall comply with 6.21.1.
Change the format of the above paragraph as follows:
6.17.4 Installation of Electrical Equipment.
Installation of electrical equipment shall comply with 6.21.1.
Substantiation: None given.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-141 Log #134 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.17.5 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 6.17.5 Security and Protection Against Tampering for
Section 3.3 and Section 3.9 Systems. The facility operator shall provide
security measures to minimize entry by unauthorized persons. At a minimum
such measures shall include security awareness training as outlined in 1.5
and limitation of unauthorized access to plant areas that includes container
appurtenances, pumping equipment, loading and unloading facilities, and
container filling facilities.
6.17.5.1 Enclosure shall be a 6-ft (1.8-m) high industrial-type fence, chain
link fence, or equivalent protection.
Change the format to separate the title and renumber as follows:
6.17.5 Security and Protection Against Tampering for Section 3.3 6.17 and
Section 3.9 6.23 Systems.
6.17.5.1 The facility operator shall provide security measures to minimize
entry by unauthorized persons. At a minimum such measures shall include
security awareness training as outlined in 1.5 and limitation of unauthorized
access to plant areas that includes container appurtenances, pumping
equipment, loading and unloading facilities, and container filling facilities.
6.17.5.1 6.17.5.2 The facility area shall be enclosed with at least Enclosure
shall be a 6-ft (1.8-m) high industrial-type fence, chain link fence, or
equivalent protection.
(A) There shall be at least two means of emergency egress from the
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enclosure except when: as follows:
(1) The fenced or otherwise enclosed area is not over 100 ft2 (9 m2)
(2) The point of transfer is within 3 ft (1 m) of the gate
(3) Containers are not filled within the enclosure
(4) Devices that prevent unauthorized operation of valves, equipment, and
appurtenances that can be locked in place are installed.
(B) Clearance of at least 3 ft (1.0 m) shall be provided to allow emergency
access to the required means of egress.
(C) If guard service is provided, it shall be extended to the LP-Gas
installation.
(D) The requirements of Section 4.4 shall apply to guard personnel
(E) Fencing shall not be required where devices that can be locked in place
are provided that prevent unauthorized operation of valves, equipment, and
appurtenances.
Substantiation: Separation of title from the text helps one find the title and
editorial changes as necessary were made. Item (4) in the list under (A) was
deleted as it was located in the wrong place by being listed under “means of
emergency egress”. It was changed and added as paragraph (E).
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-142 Log #135 Final Action: Accept
( 6.18.1.1 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.18.1.1 Section 6.18 shall apply to the installation of the following LP-Gas
systems in buildings or structures:
(1) cylinders Cylinders inside of buildings or on the roofs or exterior
balconies of buildings
(2) Systems in which the liquid is piped from outside containers into
buildings or onto the roof.
Substantiation: Made a few editorial changes that are obvious.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-143 Log #136 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.18.1.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.18.1.3 Transportation of cylinders within a building shall be in accordance
with 6.18.2.11 6.18.3.6.
Substantiation: Correct to correct reference. Ho hum!
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to the ROP errata which includes this.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-144 Log #137 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.18.1.4 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.18.1.4 The following provisions shall be required in addition to those
specified in Section 6.2.
(a) (1)Liquid transfer systems shall be in accordance with Chapter 7.
(b) (2)Engine fuel systems used inside buildings shall be in accordance with
Chapter 11.
(c) (3)LP-Gas transport or cargo tank vehicles stored, serviced, or repaired in
buildings shall be in accordance with Chapter 9
Substantiation: It must be hard for certain people to get away from
parenthetical lower case letters a listing?
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-145 Log #138 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.18.2.1 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.18.2.1 Cylinders shall be in accordance with the following:
(a) (1)Cylinders shall comply with DOT cylinder specifications.
(b) (2)Cylinders shall not exceed 245 lb (111 kg) water capacity [nominal
100 lb (45 kg) LP-Gas capacity] each.
(c) (3)Cylinders shall comply with other applicable provisions of Section 5.2,
and they shall be equipped as provided in Section 5.3.
(d) (4)Cylinders shall be marked in accordance with 5.2.6.1 and 5.2.6.2.
(e) (5)Cylinders with propane capacities greater than 2 lb (0.9 kg) shall be
equipped as provided in Table 2.3.3.2(a), and an excess-flow valve shall be
provided for vapor service when used indoors.
(f) (6)Cylinder valves shall be protected in accordance with 5.2.4.1.
(g) (7)Cylinders having water capacities greater than 2.7 lb (1.2 kg) and
connected for use shall stand on a firm and substantially level surface. If
necessary, they shall be secured in an upright position.
(8) Cylinders shall be secured in an upright position if necessary.
(h) (9)Cylinders and the valve-protecting devices used with them shall be
oriented to minimize the possibility of impingement of the pressure relief
device discharge on the cylinder and adjacent cylinders.
Substantiation: Since this paragraph was setup as a list, it must use
parenthetical numbers for the divisions. How many times do I have to say
this? In addition, there are some critical errors that have been corrected. New
item (5) was incorrect. Excess flow valves are required when the cylinders
are used indoors only. New item (8) was added after its deletion as the second
sentence of new item (7). The rule is that you can have only single words,
single phrases, or single sentences in a list.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-146 Log #237 Final Action: Accept
( 6-18.2.4, 6.18.2.6(1) [3-4.2.3 Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 6.18.2.4 - change “minimum working pressure” to
“pressure rating”
6.18.2.6.6(1) - delete “working”
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-147 Log #115 Final Action: Accept
( 6.18.2.12 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.8.2.12*
(3) Cylinder valves, connectors, regulators, manifolds, piping, or tubing shall
not be used as structural supports.
As part of a list this paragraph needs to be changed to be in parallel with the
other items on the list as follows:
(3) Portable heaters shall not be installed utilizing cylinder valves,
connectors, regulators, manifolds, piping, or tubing as structural supports.
Substantiation: None given.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-148 Log #132 Final Action: Reject
( 6.18.4.4 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Add text to read as follows:
6.18.4.4 Heaters used for temporary heating shall be located at least 6 ft (1.8
m) from any cylinder except for integral heater-cylinder units that are covered
in 6.18.4.5.
Substantiation: Integral heater-cylinder units are very popular and are
designed to mount the heater on the cylinder.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: It is not necessary to reference the next paragraph.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD

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58-149 Log #140 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.18.6.1 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.18.6.1 Cylinders used in buildings housing industrial occupancies for
processing, research, or experimental purposes shall comply with the
following 6.18.6.1(A) and (B).
(1) (A) If cylinders are manifolded together, the total water capacity of the
connected cylinders shall be not more than 735 lb (333 kg) [nominal 300 lb
(136 kg) LP-Gas capacity]. If there is more than one such manifold in a room,
it shall be separated from any other by at least 20 ft (6.1 m).
(2) (B) The amount of LP-Gas in cylinders for research and experimental use
in the building shall be limited to the smallest practical quantity.
Substantiation: As stated earlier, only a list is used after “the following:” and
a list is composed of single words, single phrases, or single sentences that are
parallel in structure. New (A) above is two sentences; therefore, it is obvious
that this does not qualify as a list.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-150 Log #141 Final Action: Reject
( 6.18.7.1 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Add text to read as follows:
6.18.7.1 The use of cylinders in classrooms shall be prohibited unless
they are used temporarily for classroom demonstrations in accordance with
6.18.9.1.
Substantiation: Another critical error caught.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The proposed reference is not needed.
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-151 Log #142 Final Action: Reject
( 6.18.9 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.18.9 Use in Buildings for Demonstrations or Training, Self-Contained
Torch Assemblies, and Food Service Appliances Use of Small Cylinders.
Substantiation: The recommended change of the title is based on having a
title that covers the important portions of the subsection. The present title does
not do this.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The comment is more than editorial.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-152 Log #143 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.18.9.5 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Delete the following text:
6.18.9.5 Use in Building for Flame Effects Before a Proximate Audience.
(A) Where cylinders are used temporarily in buildings for Flame Effects
Before an Audience, the flame effect shall be in accordance with NFPA 160,
Standard for Flame Effects Before an Audience.
(A) through(E)
Substantiation: Paragraph 6.18.9.5 is a duplication and should be deleted.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to the ROP errata which includes this.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
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Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-153 Log #144 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.18.10.1 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.18.10.1 Where cylinders are installed permanently on roofs of buildings,
the buildings shall be of fire-resistant construction or noncombustible
construction having essentially noncombustible contents, or of other
construction or contents that are protected with automatic sprinklers
sprinklers.
Substantiation: Do not use a colon at the end of your sentence. If you do, it
must be followed by a list.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to the ROP errata which includes this.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-154 Log #145 Final Action: Accept
( 6.18.10.1 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.18.10.1(F)
(F) The fire department shall be advised of each such installation.
Substantiation: Bad English.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-155 Log #139 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.18.10.2 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.18.10.2 Cylinders having water capacities greater than 2.7 lb (1 kg)
[nominal 1 lb (0.5 kg)] LP-Gas capacity shall not be located on balconies
above the first floor that are attached to a multiple family dwelling of three or
more living units located one above the other unless the balconies are served
by outside stairways that are used to transport the cylinder to the balcony.
6.18.10.3 Cylinders located on balconies served by outside stairways, where
only such stairways are used to transport the cylinder shall not be prohibited.
Substantiation: This is another example of converting an exception to a
paragraph or a part of a paragraph and it comes out garbled. The new language
all in one paragraph is very clear.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
6.18.10.2 Cylinders having water capacities greater than 2.7 lb (1 kg)
[nominal 1 lb (0.5 kg)] LP-Gas capacity shall not be located on decks or
balconies of dwellings of two or more living units above the first floor unless
they are served by exterior stairways.
Committee Statement: The concept proposed in the comment is accepted,
and the application is revised to two or more living units.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-156 Log #147 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.18.11.2 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.18.11.2 Liquid LP-Gas piped into buildings under construction or major
renovations in accordance with 6.8.1.3, shall comply with the following:
6.18.11.2(A) through (J).
(1) (A) Liquid piping shall not exceed 3/4 in. and shall comply with 3.2.13
and 3.2.15.
(2) (B) Copper tubing with a maximum outside diameter of 3/4 in. shall be
used where approved by the authority having jurisdiction.
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(3) (C) Liquid piping in buildings shall be kept to a minimum length and
shall be protected against construction hazards by fastening it to walls or other
surfaces to provide protection against breakage, and by Locating locating it so
as to avoid exposure to high ambient temperatures
(4) (D) A readily accessible shutoff valve shall be located at each
intermediate branch line where it leaves the main line.
(5) (E) A second shutoff valve shall be located at the appliance end of the
branch and upstream of any flexible appliance connector.
(6) (F) Excess-flow valves shall be installed downstream of each branch line
shutoff valve, and
(7) (G) Excess-flow valves hall be located at any point in the piping system
where branch lines are used and the pipe size of the branch line is reduced.
and The excess flow valve shall be sized for the reduced size of the branch
line piping.
(8) (H) Hose shall not be used to carry liquid between the container and
building and shall not be used at any point in the liquid line.
(9) Hose used as the appliance connector shall be as short as practical
(10) (I) Hydrostatic relief valves shall be installed where required.
(11) (J) The release of fuel when any section of piping or appliances is
disconnected shall be minimized by either using an approved automatic quick-
closing coupling that shuts off the gas on both sides when uncoupled, or by
closing the shutoff valve closest to the point to be disconnected and allowing
the appliance or appliances on that line to operate until the fuel in the line is
consumed
Substantiation: First, this paragraph has ten subparagraphs and it does not
qualify as a list and it was renumbered. Editorial changes were made in new
(G) to cover excess flow valves and old (9) was deleted as it is conflict with
(H), and (I) was clarified.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to the NFPA editorial staff for compliance with
the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-157 Log #148 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.19.1.2 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.19.1.2 Installation of appliances on commercial vehicles shall be in
accordance with Section 6.22. 6.22.5.
Substantiation: Corrected reference to subsection that covers appliance
installation.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to the ROP errata which includes this.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-158 Log #149 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.20.2.4 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 6.20.2.4 If the heat source of an indirect-fired vaporizer is
gas fired and is located within 15 ft (4.6 m) of the vaporizer, the vaporizer and
its heat source shall be installed as a direct-fired vaporizer and shall be subject
to the requirements of 6.20.3.
6.20.2.5 The installation of a heat source serving an indirect-fired vaporizer
that utilizes a flammable or combustible heat transfer fluid shall comply with
one of the following: (1) It shall be located outdoors.
(2) It shall be located within a structure that complies with Section 7.2
Section 10.2.
(3) It shall be located within a structure attached to, or in rooms within a
building or structure that complies with Section 7.3 Section 10.3.
6.20.2.6 Gas-fired heating systems supplying heat for vaporization purposes
shall be equipped with automatic safety devices to shut off gas to the main
burners if ignition fails to occur.
6.20.2.7 The installation of a heat source serving an indirect-fired vaporizer
that utilizes a noncombustible heat transfer fluid, such as steam, water, or a
water-glycol mixture, shall be installed outdoors or in industrial occupancies.
6.20.2.8 Industrial occupancies in which a source of heat for an indirect-
fired vaporizer is installed shall comply with Chapter 28 of NFPA 101®, Life
Safety Code®, and Section 6.3 of NFPA 54, National Fuel Gas Code (ANSI
Z223.1).
6.20.2.9 The following shall apply to indirect-fired vaporizers installed in
buildings.
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(1) The heat transfer fluid shall be steam or hot water.
(2) The heat transfer fluid shall not be recirculated.
(3) A backflow preventer shall be installed between the vaporizer and the
heat source.
(4) 6.20.2.10 If the heat transfer fluid is recirculated after leaving the
vaporizer, the heat source shall be installed in accordance with 6.20.2.5 and a
phase separator shall be installed with the gas vented.
6.20.2.10 6.20.2.11 Indirect-fired vaporizers employing heat from the
atmosphere shall be installed outdoors and shall be located in accordance with
Table 6.20.3.6.
Table 6.20.3.6 Minimum Separation Distances Between Direct-Fired
Vaporizers and Exposures
[Existing Table 3.6.3.5, 2001 edition, no change]
6.20.2.12 Where atmospheric vaporizers of less than 1-qt (0.9-L) capacity
are installed inside an industrial building, they shall be installed as close as
practical to the point of entry of the supply line in the building.
Substantiation: Editorial changes and renumbering.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-159 Log #150 Final Action: Accept
( 6.20.3.4 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.20.3.4 Direct-fired vaporizers shall be connected to the liquid space or to
the liquid or and vapor space of the ASME container.
6.20.3.5 A manually operated shutoff valve shall be installed in each
connection of the ASME container supplying the vaporizer.
6.20.4.1 Tank heaters shall be installed only on aboveground ASME
containers and shall be located in accordance with Table 6.20.4.1 with respect
to the nearest important building, group of buildings, or line of adjoining
property that can be built upon.
6.20.4.2 If the tank heater is gas fired, an automatic shutoff shall be provided
on the fuel supply (including the pilot) that will operate if the ASME container
pressure exceeds 75 percent of the maximum design pressure specified in
Table 2.2.2.2 or if the liquid level in the ASME container falls below the top
of the tank heater.
6.20.4.4 If the tank heater is similar in operation to an indirect-fired
vaporizer, the flow of the heat transfer fluid shall be automatically interrupted
under the pressure or temperature conditions specified in 6.20.4.2 and the heat
source shall comply with 6.20.2.7 and 6.20.2.10.
6.20.4.5 If a point of transfer is located within 15 ft (4.6 m) of a direct-
gas-fired tank heater, the heater burner and pilot shall be shut off during the
product transfer and a caution notice shall be displayed immediately adjacent
to the filling connections and shall read as follows:
A gas-fired device that contains a source of ignition is connected to this
container. Burner and pilot must be shut off before filling tank. container.
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-160 Log #12 Final Action: Reject
( 6-20.4 [3-6.4 Old] )
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Submitter: Bill Mahre, Propane Technical Services
Comment on Proposal No:N/A
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.20.4 Installation of Tank Heaters.
3.6.4.1 gas fired tank heaters shall comply with 2.5.5.5 and shall be installed
as follows.
3.6.4.2 Tank heaters shall be installed only on aboveground containers and
shall be located in accordance with Table 3.6.4.2 with respect to the nearest
important building, group of buildings, or line of adjoining property that can
be built upon.
[Insert Table 6.20.4.1 (Table 3.6.4.2 in 01 edition).]
3.6.4.3 If the tank heater is gas fired, an automatic shutoff shall be provided
on the fuel supply (including the pilot) that will operate if the container
pressure exceeds 75 percent of the maximum design pressure specified in table
2.2.2.2 or if the liquid level in the container falls below the top of the tank
heater.
6.20.4.1 If the tank heater is of the electric immersion type, the heater
shall in 6.20.4.2 are be automatically deenergized when the pressure or level
conditions specified are reached.
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6.20.4.2 If the tank heater is similar in operation to an indirect vaporizer,
the flow of the heat transfer fluid shall be automatically interrupted under the
pressure or temperature conditions specified in 6.20.4.2 and the heat source
shall comply with 3.6.2.6 and 3.6.2.7.
3.6.4.6 If a point of transfer is located within 15 ft (4.6 m) of a direct
gas-fired tank heater, the heater burner and pilot shall be shut off during the
product transfer and a caution notice shall be displayed immediately adjacent
to the filling connections and shall read as follows:
A gas-fired device that contains a source of ignition is connected to the
container. Burner and pilot must be shut off before filling tank.
Substantiation: The removal of Sections 3.6.4.1; 3.6.4.2; 3.6.4.3; and 3.6.4.6
will be made if there is acceptance of 2.5.5.5 Direct Gas-fired Tank Heaters.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-78 (Log
#13).
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-161 Log #151 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.20.5 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.20.5 Installation of Vaporizing Burners.
6.20.5.1 Vaporizing burners shall be installed outside of buildings. (2) The
minimum
6.20.5.2 The minimum distance between any container and a vaporizing-
burner shall be in accordance with Table 6.20.5.1.
Table 6.20.5.1 Minimum Separation Distance Between Containers and
Vaporizing Burners
[Existing Table 3.6.5.1, 2001 edition, no change]
6.20.5.2 6.20.5.3 Manually operated positive shutoff valves shall be located
at the containers to shut off all flow to the vaporizing burner.
Substantiation: Editorial corrections.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-162 Log #152 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.20.6 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.20.6 Installation of Waterbath Vaporizers. Waterbath vaporizers shall be
installed as follows:
6.20.6.1 If a waterbath vaporizer is electrically heated and all electrical
equipment is designed for Class 1, Group D locations, the unit shall be treated
as indirect-fired and shall be installed in accordance with 6.20.2.
Substantiation: Deleted unneeded sentence.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-163 Log #146 Final Action: Accept
( 6.20.8.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.20.8.3 Where used with an indirect-fired vaporizer, a mixer shall be
installed in accordance with one of the following:
(1) Outdoors In an outdoor location
(2) In the same compartment or room with the vaporizer
(3) In a building complying with Chapter 10
(4) In a location that is both remote from the vaporizer and in accordance
with 6.20.2
Substantiation: Change to (1) makes list parallel.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-164 Log #154 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.21.2.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.21.2.3* The provisions of 6.21.2.2 shall apply to vehicle fuel operations.
6.21.2.4 Paragraph The provisions of 6.21.2.2 shall not apply to fixed
electrical equipment at residential or commercial installations of LP-Gas
systems or to systems covered by Section 6.22.
Substantiation: We only use titles for Chapters and Sections. That is the
reason for the change above.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer this comment to the NFPA Editorial
Department for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-165 Log #155 Final Action: Reject
( 6.21.3.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.21.3.4* Open flames or other sources of ignition shall not be prohibited
where LP-Gas facilities have been freed purged of all liquid and vapor.
6.22 LP-Gas Systems on Vehicles (Other Than Engine Fuel Systems).
6.22.1* Application. Section 6.8 shall apply to the following:
(1) Requirements for nonengine fuel systems on all vehicles
(2) Requirements for installations served by exchangeable (removable)
cylinder systems and by permanently mounted containers.
6.22.2 Non-Application Section 6.22 shall not apply to the following:
(1) Systems installed on mobile homes
(2) Systems installed on recreational vehicles
(3) Systems installed on cargo tank vehicles, cargo tank vehicles (trailers and
semitrailers), and similar units used to transport LP-Gas as cargo, which are
covered by Chapter 9
(4) LP-Gas engine fuel systems Systems on the vehicles which are covered
by Chapter 11
Substantiation: Editorial changes to improve the parallel features of our lists
and changes “freed” to “purged” which we commonly use.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The comment is more than editorial
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
LINDER: I am ambivalent regarding this proposal but want to change the
vote to affirm the committee action. In 6.21.3.4 the proponent has replaced
“freed” with “purged”. The word “purged” has been used for years in this
context in other locations within the code and this change would only add
uniformity. Regarding the balance of the proposal, I favor the committee
action.
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58-166 Log #156 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.22.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.22.3 Container Instillation Installation Requirements.
6.22.3.1* The following shall apply to containers: Containers shall comply
with 6.22.3.1(A) through (F).
(1) (A) ASME mobile containers shall have a minimum design pressure of
250 psig (1.7 MPag if constructed prior to April 1, 2001 or 312.5 psig (2.2
MPag) if constructed on or after April 1, 2001.
(2) (B) Cylinders installed on recreational vehicles or in enclosed spaces on
other vehicles shall be constructed for at least a 240-psig (1.6-MPag) service
pressure.
(3) (C) ASME mobile containers installed on recreational vehicles or in
enclosed spaces on other vehicles shall be constructed for at least a 312.5-psig
(2.2-MPag) design pressure.
(4) (D) LP-Gas fuel containers used on passenger-carrying vehicles shall not
exceed 200-gal (0.8-m3) aggregate water capacity.
(5) (E) The capacity of individual LP-Gas containers on high-way vehicles
shall be in accordance with Table 6.22.3.1
Table 6.22.3.1 Maximum Capacities of Individual LP-Gas Containers
Installed on LP-Gas Highway Vehicles
[Existing Table 3.8.2.1(f), 2001 edition, no change]
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(6) (F) Containers designed for stationary service only and not in compliance
with the container appurtenance protection requirements of 5.2.4 shall not be
used.
Substantiation: Made editorial corrections to comply with the Manual of
Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-167 Log #238 Final Action: Accept
( 6-22.3.1(1), and (3) [3-8.2.1(a), 3.8.2.1 (b), (2) Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 6.22.3.1(1) - change “minimum design pressure” to
“MAWP”
(3) - change “design pressure” to “MAWP”
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-168 Log #157 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.22.3.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.22.3.4
(E) All container valves, appurtenances, and connections shall be protected
to prevent damage from accidental contacts with stationary objects, from loose
objects, stones, mud, or ice thrown up from the ground or floor, and from
damage due to overturn or similar vehicular accident. Permanently mounted
ASME containers shall be located on the vehicle to provide this protection.
(F) Permanently mounted ASME containers shall be located on the vehicle to
provide this protection
Substantiation: Removed second sentence shown in (E) and moved to s new
paragraph (F) to comply with the Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-169 Log #158 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.22.3.5 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.22.3.5 Cylinders installed on portable tar kettles alongside the kettle, on the
vehicle frame, or on road surface heating equipment shall be protected from
radiant or convected heat from open flame or other burners by the use of a
heat shield or by the location of the cylinder(s) on the vehicle. In addition, the
following shall apply:
(a) (1) Cylinder valves shall be closed when burners are not in use.
(b) (2) Cylinders shall not be refilled while burners are in use as provided in
7.2.3.2 (B) .
Substantiation: Lists must use parenthetical numbers to comp,y with the
Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-170 Log #153 Final Action: Reject
( 6.22.4 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.22.4 Equipment Installation.
Equipment shall be installed in accordance with 6.16 and the following:
6.22.4.1 Installation shall be made in accordance with the manufacturerʼs
recommendations and, in the case of approved equipment, as provided in the
approval.
6.22.4.2 Equipment installed on vehicles shall be protected against vehicular
damage as provided for container appurtenances and connections in 6.22.3.4
(C).
Substantiation: The sentence that is deleted is unnumbered and unneeded.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The committee thanks the commentor for pointing
out an error in the preprint.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 24 Negative: 3
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
PHILLIPPI: Committee statement, “The committee thanks the
commentator for pointing out an error in the preprint” and action, “reject” are
inconsistent. Consider accepting.
STANNARD: The Committee action should have been to accept, if the
Committee statement is to be believed.
STOOKEY: The majority of the Committee chose to reject this item.
The Committee should recognize that the proposed specification for the
construction of vehicle impact protection originated in the 1988 edition of the
Uniform Fire Code. This particular specification has been in use for over 15
years and was developed based on criteria developed by the California Fire
Chiefsʼ Association-North Carolina Fire Prevention Officers. There is good
experience with this particular design.
NFPA 58 is currently silent on the issue of vehicle impact protection. The
proposed language is in the Annex so the requirement is not mandatory.
However, the Committee chose not to accept it. This is an interesting
position given the Committeeʼs desire to avoid the application of professional
engineering skills when a Product Release Prevention and Incident
Preparedness Review (PRPIPER) is required (see item number 58-178, Log
number 21). How can a design professional develop a design for vehicle
impact protection when no criteria are given? The NFPA 58 committee as
a majority embraces specification design for LP-Gas installations. This
proposed vehicle impact protection design is no different.
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58-171 Log #159 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.22.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
Insert new subsection 6.22.4 titled “Installation of Container Appurtenances”
and correct and renumber all of the remaining paragraphs until you reach
Section 6.23 as follows:
6.22.4 Installation of Container Appurtenances
6.22.3.6 6.22.4.1 Container appurtenances shall be installed in accordance
with the following.
(1) Pressure relief valve installation on ASME containers installed in the
interior of vehicles complying with 11.8, t shall comply with 11.7.4.4
(2) Pressure relief valve installations on ASME containers installed on the
outside of vehicles shall comply with 11.7.4.4 and 6.22.3.3.
(3) Main shutoff valves on containers for liquid and vapor shall be readily
accessible.
(4) Cylinders shall be designed to be filled for filling in either the vertical
or horizontal position, or if they are the universal type, they are permitted to
be filled in either position. shall installed so that they can be filled only in the
vertical position.
(5) Cylinders designed for filling in the horizontal position shall installed so
that they can be filled only in the horizontal position.
(6) Universal cylinders shall be installed so that they can be filled only in the
horizontal or vertical position.
(7) (5) All container inlets, outlets, or valves installed in container inlets or
outlets, except pressure relief devices and gauging devices, shall be labeled to
designate whether they communicate with the vapor or liquid space.
(8) (6) Containers from which only vapor is to be withdrawn shall be
installed and equipped with connections to minimize the possibility of the
accidental withdrawal of liquid.
6.22.3.7 6.22.4.2 Regulators shall be installed in accordance with 6.7.2 and
6.22.4.2(A) through (E). the following:
(1) (A) Regulators shall be installed with the pressure relief vent opening
pointing vertically downward to allow for drainage of moisture collected on
the diaphragm of the regulator.
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(2) (B) Regulators not installed in compartments shall be equipped with a
durable cover designed to protect the regulator vent opening from sleet, snow,
freezing rain, ice, mud, and wheel spray.
(3) (C) If vehicle-mounted regulators are installed at or below the floor
level, they shall be installed in a compartment that provides protection against
the weather and wheel spray.
(4) (D) Regulator compartments shall comply with the following:
(a) (1)The compartment shall be of sufficient size to allow tool operation for
connection to and replacement of the regulators(s).
(b) (2) The compartment shall be vapor-tight to the interior of the vehicle.
(c) (3) The compartment shall have a 1-in.2 (650-mm2) minimum vent
opening to the exterior located within 1 in. (25 mm) of the bottom of the
compartment.
(d) (4) The compartment shall not contain flame or spark-producing
equipment.
(5) (E) A regulator vent outlet shall be at least 2 in. (51 mm) above the
compartment vent opening.
6.22.3.8 6.22.4.3 Piping shall be installed in accordance with 6.8.3 and the
following: 6.22.4.3(A) through (M).
(1) (A) Steel tubing shall have a minimum wall thickness of 0.049 in. (1.2
mm).
(2) (B) A flexible connector or a tubing loop shall be installed between
the regulator outlet and the piping system to protect against expansion,
contraction, jarring, and vibration strains.
(3) (C) Flexibility shall be provided in the piping between a cylinder and the
gas piping system or regulator.
(4) (D) Flexible connectors shall be installed in accordance with 6.8.6.
(5) (E) Flexible connectors of more than 36 in. (0.9 m) overall length, or
fuel lines that incorporate hose, shall be used only with the approval of the
authority having jurisdiction.
(6) (F) The piping system shall be designed, installed, supported, and
secured to minimize the possibility of damage due to vibration, strains, or
wear and to preclude any loosening while in transit.
(7) (G) Piping shall be installed in a protected location.
(8) (H) Where piping is installed outside the vehicle, it shall be installed as
follows:
(a) (1) Piping shall be under the vehicle and below any insulation or false
bottom.
(b) If outside, piping shall be under the vehicle and below any insulation or
false bottom.
(c) (2) Fastening or other protection shall be installed to prevent damage due
to vibration or abrasion.
(d) (3) At each point where piping passes through sheet metal or a structural
member, a rubber grommet or equivalent protection shall be installed to
prevent chafing.
(9) (l) Gas piping shall be installed to enter the vehicle through the floor
directly beneath or adjacent to the appliance served.
(10) (J) If a branch line is installed, the tee connection shall be located in the
main gas line under the floor and outside the vehicle.
(11) (K) Exposed parts of the piping system either shall be of corrosion-
resistant material or shall be coated or protected to minimize exterior
corrosion.
(12) (L) Hydrostatic relief valves shall be installed in isolated sections of
liquid piping as provided in 6.12.
(13) (M) Piping systems, including hose, shall be pressure tested and proven
free of leaks in accordance with 6.13.
6.22.3.9 6.22.4.4 There shall be no fuel connection between a tractor and
trailer or other vehicle units.
Substantiation: A new subsection and renumbering was needed and a few
editorials.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to the NFPA editorial staff for compliance with
the Manual of Style
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-172 Log #161 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.22.5 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.22.5 Appliance Installation.
6.22.5.1 Subsection 6.22.5 shall apply to the installation of all appliances on
vehicles. It shall not apply to engines.
6.22.5.2 All appliances covered by this subsection installed on vehicles shall
be approved.
6.22.5.3 Where the device or appliance is designed to be in operation while
the vehicle is in transit, such as a cargo heater or cooler, means to stop the
flow of gas in the event of a line break, such as an excess-flow valve, shall be
installed.
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6.22.5.4 All gas-fired heating 6.22.5.4 All gas fired heating appliances shall
be equipped with safety shutoffs in accordance with 5.7.4.7(1) except those
covered in 6.18.2.13.
6.22.5.5* Gas-fired heating appliances, other than ranges and heating
illuminating appliances, installed on vehicles intended for human occupancy,
shall be designed or installed to provide for a complete separation of the
combustion system from the atmosphere inside the vehicle.
6.22.5.7 6.22.5.6 Where unvented type heaters that are designed to protect
cargo are used on vehicles not intended for human occupancy, Provision
provisions shall be made to provide air from the outside for combustion and to
dispose of the products of combustion to the outside.
6.22.5.8 6.22.5.7 Appliances installed in the cargo space of a vehicle, shall be
readily accessible whether the vehicle is loaded or empty.
Substantiation: Mostly editorial except for 6.22.5.6 that covers unvented
heaters where a great deal if material was removed
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Accept the proposed change and delete A.6.22.5.5.
Note that 6.22.5.6 was not deleted in the ROP, and was published as part of
A.6.22.5.5.
Committee Statement: Text deleted in the preprint is reinstated. The Annex
text is no longer required.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-173 Log #162 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.22.6 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 6.22.6 General Precautions. Mobile units containing
hotplates and other cooking equipment, including mobile kitchens and
catering vehicles, shall be provided with at least one approved portable fire
extinguisher rated in accordance with NFPA 10, Standard for Portable Fire
Extinguishers, at not less than 10-B:C. Where fire extinguishers have more
than one letter
Change format to separate the subsection title as follows:
6.22.6 General Precautions.
“Mobile units containing hotplates and other cooking equipment, including
mobile kitchens and catering vehicles, shall be provided with at least one
approved portable fire extinguisher rated in accordance with NFPA 10,
Standard for Portable Fire Extinguishers, at not less than 10-B:C. Where fire
extinguishers have more than one letter...”
Substantiation: Same reasons as before.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-174 Log #16 Final Action: Reject
( 6-23.3.9 [3-9.3.8 Old] )
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Submitter: Jim Everitt, Western Regional Fire Code Dev. Committee
Comment on Proposal No:58-75
Recommendation: Revise to read:
6.23.3.9* All dispensers shall either be installed on a concrete foundation or
be part of a complete storage and dispensing unit mounted on a common base
and installed in accordance with 3-2.4.2(a)4 and 2-2.5.2(a) and (b). Protection
shall be provided against physical damage. Guard posts or other approved
means shall be provided to protect storage tanks and connected piping, valves
and fittings; dispensing areas; and use areas subject to physical damage.
A.6.23.3.9 When guard posts are installed, the posts shall be:
1. Constructed of steel not less than 4 in. (101.6 mm) in diameter and
concrete filled,
2. Spaced not more than 4 ft (1219 mm) between posts on center,
3. Set not less than 3 ft (914 mm) deep in a concrete footing of not less than
a 15-in. (381 mm) diameter,
4. Set with the top of the posts not less than 3 ft (914 mm) above ground, and
5. Located not less than 5 ft (1524 mm) from the tank.
Substantiation: The proposal adds the requested text as an annex note to
assist the user.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: While the committee agrees that guidance on
protection of containers would be very useful, the comment provides no
substantiation to support that the proposed protection is sufficient and
reasonable. The committee will look into the possibility of providing
guidance in the future.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
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Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-175 Log #163 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.23.3.9 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.23.3.9 All dispensers either shall be installed on a concrete foundation or
shall be part of a complete storage and dispensing unit mounted on a common
base and installed in accordance with 6.6.3.1 (E). 6.6.3.1(G). Protection
against physical damage shall be provided for dispensers.
Substantiation: Corrected reference.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer this comment to the NFPA Editorial
Department for compliance with the Manual of Style
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-176 Log #164 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.23.4.3 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
The following paragraph was inadvertently removed from the ROP and
should be reinserted into the code.
6.23.4.3 Dispensing devices for liquefied petroleum gas LP-Gas shall be
located as follows:
(a) (1) Conventional systems shall be at least 10 ft (3.0 m) from any
dispensing device for Class I liquids
(b) (2) Low-emission transfer systems in accordance with Section 3-11 6.25
shall be at least 5 ft (1.5 m) from any dispensing device for Class I liquids.
Substantiation: This corrected version should be located as shown above.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-177 Log #42 Final Action: Accept in Part
( 6-24.2.1 [3-10.2.1 Old] )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-77
Recommendation: Revise 6.24.2.1 as follows:
6.24.2.1 The planning for the response to incidents including the inadvertent
release of LP-Gas, fir or security breach shall be coordinated with local
emergency response agencies such as fire and police departments.
“Planning shall include consideration of the safety of emergency personnel,
workers, and the public.”
Revise 6.24.2.2 (a) as follows:
“(a) A primary consideration in any such An incident prevention review shall
be an evaluation of include the total product control system, including such as
the emergency shutoff and internal valves equipped for remote closure and
automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) actuation, pull away protection, and the
optional requirements of Section 3.11, if used. “
Substantiation: Changes are proposed for editorial clarity. The removal
of references to “fire and police departments” is to reduce the possibility of
interpreting that such activities are restricted to only with those agencies.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Part
Accept the revisions to 6.24.2.1 and 6.24.2.2
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-180
(Log #46) where the intent of the commentor to revise 6.24.3.3 have been
accomplished.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-178 Log #21 Final Action: Accept in Principle in Part
( 6-24.3 [3-10.2.2 Old] )
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Submitter: Eddie Phillips, Southern Fire Code Development Committee
Comment on Proposal No:58-77
Recommendation: Revise proposed 6.24.3* to read as follows:
6.24.3* Fire protection shall be provided for installations with an aggregate
water capacity of more than 4000 gal (15.1 m3) and of ASME containers on
roofs. The modes of such protection shall be specified in a written incident
prevention preparedness review. The review shall be submitted to the
Authority Having Jurisdiction (AHJ) for comment and approval. The review
shall be prepared by the plant owner / operator, provided, however, if required
by the Authority Having Jurisdiction, by a state registered professional
engineer employed by the plant owner / operator. The approved review
shall be made available submitted to the AHJ and local emergency response
agencies. responders upon request. The incident preparedness prevention
review shall be reviewed and revised when storage capacity or transfer
equipment is modified.
(a) A primary consideration in any such incident preparedness prevention
review shall be an evaluation of the total product control system, including
emergency shutoff and internal valves equipped for remote closure and
automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) actuation pull-away protection, and the
optional requirements of Section 3.11, if used.
(b) Where a written fire safety analysis exists, an incident preparedness
prevention review shall not be required, if acceptable to the AHJ.
(c ) If in the preparation of the incident preparedness prevention review it
is determined that a hazard to adjacent structures exists which exceeds the
protection provided by the provisions of the Code special protection shall be
provided in accordance with 3.10.3.
(d) The incident preparedness review shall include an evaluation of the
capabilities of plant personnel and local emergency response agencies to deal
with probable emergency scenarios involving the installation.
Wherever the term “incident prevention review” is used or proposed, revise it
to read “incident preparedness review”.
Substantiation: It is felt that the use of the word “preparedness” better
describes the purpose of the review than does the word “prevention”. There
is basic agreement with the explanation of the negative vote by Stookey. The
proposed revisions are intended to deal with the need for AHJ review and
approval, as well as the need for the evaluation of the capabilities of plant and
local agencies that respond to emergencies involving the installation. The local
fire department is included.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle in Part
Revise text to read as follows:
6.24.3 Protection of ASME Containers.
6.24.3.1 Fire protection shall be provided for installations with an aggregate
water capacity of more than 4000 gal (15.1 m3) and of ASME containers on
roofs. The modes of fire protection shall be specified in a written incident
prevention review product release prevention and incident preparedness
review.
6.24.3.2 The review shall be made submitted by the owner, operator or their
designee available to the Authority Having Jurisdiction and local emergency
responders upon request.
6.24.3.3 The incident prevention review review shall be reviewed and revised
updated when storage capacity or transfer equipment system is modified.
6.24.3.3 A primary consideration in any such incident prevention review
shall be an evaluation of the total product control system, including emergency
shutoff and internal valves equipped for remote closure and automatic
shutoff using thermal (fire) actuation pullaway protection, and the optional
requirements of Section 6.25, if used.
6.24.3.5 Where a written fire safety analysis exists, an incident prevention
review shall not be required.
6.24.3.6 If in the preparation of the incident prevention review it is
determined that a hazard to adjacent structures exists which exceeds the
protection provided by the provisions of the Code special protection shall be
provided in accordance with 6.24.5.
Committee Statement: Portions of the proposal are accepted with editorial
revisions. The name of the review is changed to reflect its intent.
The proposed requirement of a PE to conduct the review was not accepted
because it has not been demonstrated that a PE is required to conduct the
analysis. The proposed last paragraph is not accepted because the subject is
adequately covered in the Annex.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
STOOKEY: The actions taken by the majority of the Committee have
avoided considering the capabilities or limitations of emergency responders.
In many communities a bulk LP-Gas installation will be the greatest quantity
of hazardous materials in a single location. If a location does not have a
reliable water supply and water application by the local fire department cannot
occur within a reasonable time period, then special protection is warranted.
What constitutes special protection is the responsibility of the authority
having jurisdiction and bulk plant owner. This is why subparagraph (d) was
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so important. The capabilities and limitations of emergency responders must
be considered, especially in locations with complications such as no water
supply, inadequate firefighter training, or inadequate apparatus capable of
delivering a reliable fire flow are present. This section should have never
been in the Annex. It is appropriate to make subparagraph (d) a minimum
code requirement.
This proposed change attempts to avoid the application of professional
engineering skills when a safety analysis of bulk LP-Gas installations is
required. NFPA 1 & NFPA 5000 authorize the code official to require the
seal of a design professional. In the case of an Incident Action Plan or a
Written Fire Safety Analysis, both attempt to explain a design and in some
cases, certain assumptions will be made. Regardless of what you call the final
report, when assumptions are made about designs, the AHJ can and should
require a registered Professional Engineer to verify that the design and its
assumptions have been examined and justified.
Comment on Affirmative:
BELKE: On this comment, I vote affirmative with a comment. I believe
that the last sentence of the proposal (which would have required that the
incident preparedness review include an evaluation of the capabilities of
plant personnel and emergency responders to deal with probably emergency
scenarios) should also have been accepted. The committee statement notes
that the language is already in the non-mandatory appendix, but I would think
it would be an important addition as a mandatory requirement.
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58-179 Log #165 Final Action: Accept
( 6.24.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.24.3 Protection of ASME Containers.
6.24.3 6.24.3.1 Fire protection shall be provided for installations with an
aggregate water capacity of more than 4000 gal (15.1 m3) and of ASME
containers on roofs. The modes 6.24.3.2 The modes of fire protection shall be
specified in a written incident prevention review.
6.24.3.1 6.24.3.3 The review shall be made available to the Authority Having
Jurisdiction authority having jurisdiction and local emergency responders upon
request.
6.24.3.2 6.24.3.4 The incident prevention review shall be reviewed and
revised when storage capacity or transfer equipment is modified.
6.24.3.3 6.24.3.5 A primary consideration in any such incident prevention
review shall be an evaluation of the total product control system, including
emergency shutoff and internal valves equipped for remote closure and
automatic shutoff using thermal (fire) actuation, pullaway protection, and the
optional requirements of Section 3.11 6.25, if used.
6.24.3.5 6.24.3.6 Where a written fire safety analysis exists, an incident
prevention review shall not be required.
6.24.3.6 6.24.3.7 If in the preparation of the incident prevention review it
is determined that a hazard to adjacent structures exists which exceeds the
protection provided by the provisions of the Code, special protection shall be
provided in accordance with 6.24.5.
Substantiation: The AHJ is not capitalized in the code that explains one
correction and he rest is mostly renumbering.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-180 Log #46 Final Action: Accept in Principle in Part
( 6.24.3.3 [3.10.2.2 a Old] )
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Submitter: Denis Gagne, Eastern Propane and Oil
Comment on Proposal No:58-77
Recommendation: Revise paragraph 6.24.3.3 (subsection 3.10.2.2(a) in the
2001 edition) as indicated below:
(a) A primary consideration in any such prevention review shall be an
evaluation of the total product control system. , including emergency shutoff
and internal valves equipped for remote enclosure and automatic shutoff using
thermal (fire) actuation pullaway protection, and the optional requirements of
Section 6.25, if used.
Add an appendix item as indicated below:
A.6.24.3.3: The requirements for appurtenances, including product flow
control valves, on individual ASME containers of water capacity up to and
including 4000 gallons are indicated on Table 5.3.4.1 (Table 2.3.3.2(a) in the
2001 edition). Appurtenances requirements on inlet and outlet connections of
containers of size range 2001 to 4000 gallons and above 4000 gallons water
capacity are stipulated in Tables 5.3.4.3 and 5.3.4.4 (Section 3.3.3.6 in 2001
edition).
It is evident that for tanks of 2000 gallon water capacity no emergency shut
off and internal valves or automatic shut off valves with thermal actuation
pull-away protection are required. Installations with multiple containers
of each less than 2000 gallon capacity are used for both vapor service and
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liquid service. In general, multiple containers are manifolded on the vapor
withdrawal side but are liquid filled individually. Where liquid withdrawal
pipes from multiple ASME containers each of 2000 gallon or less water
capacity are manifolded to a common header, an emergency shut off valve
(with thermal actuation and manual shut off features) may be installed on
the liquid withdrawal header, downstream and as close as possible to last
container connection to the header. This will ensure that product flow is shut
off even if the excess flow valves in the containers are not effective (due to
low flow from each manifolded container). It is noted that for the size of the
liquid filler nozzle used in containers of 1000-gallon capacity it is impractical
to have an internal valve with an excess flow shut off feature.
For specific requirements for internal valves refer to Section 6.9 and for
emergency shut off valves see Section 6.10 (Section 3.2.18 and 3.2.19,
respectively in the 2001 edition).
Substantiation: The requirements of this paragraph are applicable to
installations with an aggregate water capacity of more than 4000 gallons,
irrespective of how those greater than 4000 gallons are achieved. For
example, if an installation has five 1000-gallon tanks manifolded together it
will come under the purview of this section. However, the requirements of
the code as written at present, cannot be complied with because the individual
1000-gallon tanks do not have internal valves nor do they have (bulk head)
shut off valves with pull away protection. Therefore, the code is requiring
what is impossible to meet.
Our recommendation is to move the rest of the language in Section
3.10.2.2(a) to an Appendix and include additional information on the types of
valves and protection required for various size ASME tanks.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle in Part
Revise text to read as follows:
6.24.3.3 A primary consideration in any such incident prevention review
shall be an evaluation of the total product control system, including emergency
shutoff and internal valves equipped for remote closure and automatic shutoff
using thermal (fire) actuation pullaway protection, where installed, and the
optional requirements of Section 6.25, if used.
Committee Statement: Paragraph 6.24.3.3 is revised to accommodate the
concerns of the commentor. The proposed annex text is rejected as it is not
needed with the change made to 6.24.3.3.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-181 Log #166 Final Action: Hold
( 6.25 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.25 Alternate Provisions for Installation of ASME Containers.
6.25.1 Scope. Section 6.25 applies to alternate provisions for the location and
installation of underground and mounded ASME containers that incorporate
the use of redundant fail-safe product control measures and low emission
transfer concepts for the purpose of enhancing safety and to mitigate distance
and special protection requirements.
Substantiation: The words “underground and mounded” have been deleted
because these alternative provisions cover all ASME containers including
aboveground containers.
Committee Meeting Action: Hold
Committee Statement: The comment contains new material that has not had
public review.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-182 Log #167 Final Action: Reject
( 6.25.2 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.25.2 Spacing Requirements.
6.25.2.1 Where With compliance to all of the provisions of Section 6.25, are
complied with, the minimum separation distance distances from important
buildings and the line of adjoining property that can be built upon and
buildings from to underground and mounded ASME containers of 2001 gal
through 30,000 gal (7.6 m3 through 114 m3) water capacity shall be permitted
to be reduced to 10 ft (3.0 m).
6.25.2.2 Distances for all underground and mounded ASME containers shall
be measured from the relief valve and the filling connection.
6.25.2.3 No part of an underground ASME container shall be less than 10 ft
(3.0 m) from a building or line of adjoining property that can be built upon.
, and no part of a 6.25.2.4 No part of a mounded ASME container that is
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installed above grade shall be less than 5 ft (1.5 m) from a building or line of
adjoining property that can be built upon.
Substantiation: Paragraph 6.25.2.1 was reworded and “important buildings”
was changed to “buildings as shown in the 2001 Edition in 3.11.2. “Permitted
to be” was added because as presently stated, one would be required to reduce
the distance to 10 ft. Paragraph 6.25.2.3 was divided as the latter portion is
a separate requirement and more than one requirement is not allowed in the
same paragraph according to the Manual of Style. We have tried to follow this
rule throughout the document.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The proposed change does not add clarity to the text.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-183 Log #9 Final Action: Accept in Part
( 6-25.2.1 [3-11.2 Old] )
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Submitter: Bill Mahre, Propane Technical Services
Comment on Proposal No:58-55
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.25 Where the provisions of this section are complied with, the minimum
distances for underground and mounded ASME containers of 2001 through
30,000 gas (7.6m3 through 114m3) water capacity shall be permitted to be
reduced to 10 ft (3.0m). Distances for all underground and mounded ASME
containers shall be measured from the relief valve and the filling connection
container surface.
No part of an underground or mounded ASME container shall be less than 10
ft (3.0 m) from a building or line of adjoining property that can be built upon,
and no part of a mounded ASME container that is installed above grade shall
be less than 5 ft (1.5 m) from a building or line of adjoining property that can
be built upon.
Substantiation: Distances for underground and mounded container should
be measured from the tank surface to be consistent with measurements for
aboveground containers. The installer will make these measurements during
the installation process.
The distances for underground and mounded containers have the same
safety considerations for spacing to buildings and property lines. Under the
present code wording, the mounded container could be closer to the building
and would present a greater hazard than the underground. Making this
modification to this section will provide for the same spacing for both styles
of containers. The mounded tank in excess of 2001 water gal. would require
earth cover which would slope to the building wall unless the mounded
container is installed with a retaining wall. There are no facts that support a
lesser distance for mounded containers than underground containers.
The last part of this section causes confusion as one part of the code allows
the measurements to be made from the filler and relief connections and the
last part of the code does not permit any portion of the container to be less
than ten ft. Under the first provision of the Code, a 108 in. diameter, 30,000
gal. water capacity mounded storage tank could have the shell of the container
6 in. from the building wall.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Part
Committee Statement: The proposed reduction of the separation distance of
mounded containers is not accepted because of the inherent difference in the
installation of underground and aboveground, mounded containers. Service to
aboveground, mounded containers is unlikely to endanger adjoining structures.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 25 Negative: 1 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
STANNARD: The Committee action should have been to reject, if the
Committee statement is to be believed.
Comment on Affirmative:
LINDER: I have voted in the affirmative but with some concern in that the
new approved text is not provided. My preference would be to leave the text
as it has been.
Explanatin of Abstention:
STOOKEY: The recorded vote was to accept in part. The ROC does not
document the final language approved by the Committee.
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58-184 Log #87 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.25.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.25.3 Container Separation Distances.
6.25.3.1 Containers installed outside of buildings, whether of the portable
type replaced on a cylinder exchange basis or permanently installed and
refilled at the installation, shall be located with respect to the adjacent
containers, important building, group of buildings, or line of adjoining
property that can be built upon, in accordance with Tables 6.3.1, 6.4.2, and
6.4.10 and the following: 6.4.5.6, and 6.3.2 through 6.3.12.
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6.25.3.2 When the provisions of 6.25.2 6.2.5,3 through 6.25.5 are met, the
minimum distance from a ASME container to a building shall be reduced by
one-half for ASME containers of 2001 gal through 30,000 gal (7.6 m3 through
114 m3) water capacity. used in systems complying with Section 6.25.
Substantiation: Edited to comply with the Manual of Style and corrected
references.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-185 Log #168 Final Action: Reject
( 6.25.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.25.3 ASME Container Appurtenances.
6.25.3.1 The following provisions of 6.25.3.2 through 6.25.3.6 shall be a
required part for all ASME containers of 2001 gal through 30,000 gal (7.6 m3
through 114 m3 ) water capacity to meet the alternate installation requirements
of Section 6.25.
6.25.3.1 6.25.3.2 All liquid withdrawal openings and all vapor withdrawal
openings that are 1-1/4 in. (3.2 cm) or larger shall be equipped with an internal
valve.
6.25.3.2 6.25.3.3 The All internal valves shall remain closed except during
periods of operation.
6.25.3.3 6.25.3.4 All internal Internal valves shall be equipped for remote
closure and automatic shutoff through thermal (fire) actuation
6.25.3.4 6.25.3.5 A positive manual shutoff valve shall be installed as close
as practical to each internal valve.
6.25.3.5 6.25.3.6 All liquid and vapor inlet openings shall be equipped in
accordance with 6.25.3.1 and 6.25.3.4 6.25.3.2 through 6.25.3.5 or shall
be equipped with a backflow check valve that is designed for the intended
application and a positive manual shutoff valve installed as close as practical
to the backflow check valve.
Substantiation: Paragraph 6.25.3.1 was added for clarification of the
requirements and is a slightly revised version of 3.11.3 that was left out of the
ROP. Paragraph 6.25.3.6 was revised to cover the modification of backflow
check valve as used in the requirements of 5.3.4.2.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The proposed change does not add clarity to the text.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-186 Log #169 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 6.25.5.1 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
6.25.5.1 Transfer into ASME containers on vehicles shall meet the following
provisions: of 6.25.5.1(A) through (D).
6.25.5.2 Transfer into stationary ASME containers shall meet the following
provisions : of 6.25.5.2(A) through (F).
Renumber (1) through (4) in 6.25.5.1 and (1) through (6) in 6.25.5.2 in
parenthetical upper case letters.
Substantiation: Renumbering allows us to comply with the Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-187 Log #170 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 7.2.1 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
7.2.1 7.2 Operational Safety.
Substantiation: Typo.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
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Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-188 Log #171 Final Action: Reject
( 7.2.2.2 )
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Note: The Ballot on this Comment did not receive the required two-thirds
affirmative vote of the Committee, but the comment is still rejected.
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
7.2.2.2 These qualified persons shall notify the container owner and user
in writing when noncompliance with Sections 5.2 and 5.3 is found. , the
container owner and user shall be notified in writing.
Substantiation: Revised for clarity.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The comment is more than editorial.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 12 Negative: 15
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
BELKE: The proposed text is better, as it states who is responsible for
notifying the container owner and user of container noncompliance.
BOGAN: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment. I feel the committee needs to re-
group and take a second look at this item.
BRUNNER: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
FAULHABER: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
HAYES: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
HOFFMAN: It is my understanding that significant issues exist with this
item and it should be revisited.
KEEPERS: Notification of owner. Who is to be the notifer. Here I feel it
should be a qualified person to make such judgement.
LEWIS: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
MAXON: I feel this item needs further review by the full committee.
MCTIER: This comment covers the notification of the owner and user in
writing if noncompliance with the requirements is found. In the rewrite the
qualified persons who are supposed to notify the owner and user was left out
of the requirement, but was returned to the requirement by the comment. The
comment was rejected and the Committee statement was as follows: “The
comment is more than editorial”. What was more than editorial was removing
the “qualified persons” from the requirement. The comment reads as follows:
“7.2.2.2 These qualified persons shall notify the container owner and user in
writing when noncompliance with Sections 5.2 and 5.3 is found., the container
owner and user shall be notified in writing.” The Committee should reverse
their action and accept the comment.
MISEL: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
MORTIMER: This should be looked at again and reconsidered.
STERNOLA: This comment covers the notification of the owner and user
in writing if noncompliance with the requirements is found. In the rewrite
the qualified persons who are supposed to notify the owner and user was left
out of the requirement, but was returned to the requirement by the comment.
The comment was rejected and the Committee statement was as follows: “The
comment was more than editorial”.
What was more than editorial was removing the “qualified persons” from the
requirement. The comment reads as follows: “7.2.2.2 These qualified persons
shall notify the container owner and user in writing when noncompliance
with Sections 5.2 and 5.3 is found., the container owner and user shall be
notified in writing.” The Committee should reverse their action and accept the
comment.
VOLGSTADT: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
ZEMAN: Same as Sam McTier.
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58-189 Log #172 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 7.2.2.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
7.2.2.4 When evacuating emptying a container owned by others, the qualified
person(s) performing the transfer shall not inject any material other than LP-
Gas into the container.
7.2.1.12 7.2.2.12 A container shall not be filled if the container assembly
does not meet the requirements for continued service.
Transfer 7.2.3.8 as shown below to new 7.2.2.13 and renumber 7.2.3.9 to
7.2.3.8.
7.2.3.8 7.2.2.13 Transfer hoses larger than 1/2-in. (12-mm) internal diameter
shall not be used for making connections to individual cylinders being filled
indoors.
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Substantiation: The change to 7.2.2.4 was made to match up with the new
title of the subsection, 7.2.1.12 us a typo, and 7.2.3.8 was misplaced.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
1. Reject the proposed change to 7.2.2.4
2. Change the title of the section to:
7.2.2 Filling and evacuating containers.
Committee Statement: The intent of the comment is accomplished by
changing the section title for conisistency.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-190 Log #239 Final Action: Reject
( 7-2.2.10 [4-2.2.6 Old] )
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Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 7.2.2.10 - remove “design”
7.2.2.10(2) - remove “minimum design”
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The changes are not editorial.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-191 Log #51 Final Action: Accept
( 7-2.3.2(b) [4-2.3.2(b) Old] )
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Submitter: Scott A. Stookey, Phoenix Fire Department
Comment on Proposal No:58-83
Recommendation: Revise Sections 4.2.3.2(b) and 4.2.3.2(c) as follows:
7.2.3.2(B) Smoking, open flame, portable electrical tools, and extension
lights capable of igniting LP-Gas shall not be permitted within 25 ft (7.6 m) of
a point of transfer while filling operations are in progress.
7.2.3.2(C) Metal cutting, grinding, oxygen-fuel gas cutting, brazing,
soldering, or welding shall not be permitted within 35 ft (10.7 m) of a point
of transfer while filling operations are in progress. Materials that have been
heated above the ignition temperature of LP-Gas shall be cooled before that
transfer is started.
Substantiation: As written, one could argue that activities using oxygen-fuel
gas for cutting, welding or brazing is an “open flame.” This could result in
an inadequate separation distance between the point of LP-Gas transfer and
the cutting or welding operation. This proposal clarifies that an increased
separation distance is required when the open flame is produced for hot work
activity requiring the use of oxygen-fuel gas.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-192 Log #18 Final Action: Reject
( 7-2.3.2(c) [4-2.3.2(c) Old] )
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Submitter: Jim Everitt, Western Regional Fire Code Dev. Committee
Comment on Proposal No:58-83
Recommendation: Revise to read:
7.2.3.2(c) Metal cutting, grinding, oxygen-fuel gas cutting, brazing,
soldering, or welding shall not be permitted within 50 ft (?? m) of a point
of transfer while filling operations are in progress. Materials that have been
heated above the ignition temperature of LP-Gas shall be cooled before that
transfer is started.
Substantiation: The 50 foot distance is more in line with the hazard
associated with fueling and hot work operations. Slag can travel considerable
distances well over 35ʼ and this is a hazard when fueling.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The 35 ft. distance is consistent with NFPA 51B,
which has expertise in the subject. Refer to Committee Action on Comment
58- (Log #51) which also addresses the subject.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 25 Negative: 2
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
BRUNNER: Refer to Mr. Phillipiʼs comment.
PHILLIPPI: Agree with proposal that 50 feet from point of transfer for
hot work is more in line with hazard and risk associated with hot work in
proximity of a LPG transfer point. Suggest committee reconsider the 35 feet
distance to be revised to 50 feet.
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58-193 Log #173 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 7.2.3.5 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
7.2.3.5 Transfers to containers serving agricultural or industrial equipment
requiring refueling in the field shall comply with the following: 7.2.3.5(A)
and (B).
(1)* (A)* Where the The intake of air-moving equipment is less than 50 ft
(15 m) from a point of transfer, it shall be shut down while containers are
being refilled.
(2) (B) Equipment employing open flames, or equipment with integral
containers shall be shut down while refueling
Substantiation: Changed numbering to comply with the Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-194 Log #174 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 7.2.4.1 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
7.2.4.1 Hose assemblies shall be observed for leakage or for damage that
could impair their integrity before each use. In addition, these assemblies shall
be inspected at least
7.2.4.2 These hose assemblies shall be inspected at least annually.
7.3.4.3 Inspection of pressurized hose assemblies shall include the following:
(a) (1) Damage to outer cover that exposes reinforcement.
(b) (2) Kinked or flattened hose.
(c) (3) Soft spots or bulges in hose.
(d) (4) Couplings that have slipped on the hose, are damaged, have missing
parts, or have loose bolts.
(e) (5) Leakage other than permeability leakage.
7.2.4.2 7.2.4.4 Hose assemblies shall be replaced, repaired or continued in
service based on the results of this inspection.
7.2.4.3 7.2.4.5 Leaking or damaged hose shall be immediately repaired or
removed from service.
Substantiation: Renumbered to comply with the Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-195 Log #175 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 7.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
7.3 Venting LP-Gas to the Atmosphere.
7.3.1 General.
7.3.1.1 LP-Gas, in either liquid or vapor form, shall not be vented to the
atmosphere, except as allowed in 7.3.1.2. unless it is vented under the
following conditions:
7.3.1.2 LP-Gas, in either liquid of vapor form, shall be vented to the
atmosphere only when any of the following conditions are complied with:
(1) Venting of LP-Gas shall be permitted where Where the maximum flow
from fixed liquid level, rotary, or slip tube gauges does not exceed that from a
No. 54 drill orifice.
(2) Venting of LP-Gas Where LP-Gas is vented from a liquid transfer line
between shutoff valves before disconnecting the liquid transfer line from the
container shall be permitted. Where necessary, bleeder valves shall be used.
(3) Venting of LP-Gas, where necessary, shall be permitted to performed by
the use of bleeder valves.
(3) (4) Venting of LP-Gas shall be permitted Where LP-Gas is vented for
the purposes described in 7.3.1.2(1) and 7.3.1.2 (2) above within structures
designed for container filling as provided in accordance with 6.5.1 and
Chapter 10.
(4) (5) Venting of LP-Gas Where LP-Gas vapor is vented from listed liquid
transfer pumps using such vapor as a source of energy, shall be permitted
where the rate of discharge does not exceed that the discharge from a No. 31
drill size orifice.
(5) (6) Venting of LP-Gas for Where Purging purging is in accordance with
7.3.2 shall be permitted
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(6) (7) Venting of LP-Gas shall be permitted for emergencies Where
Emergency venting in accordance with 7.3.3
Substantiation: Revised to make a list with parallel parts to comply with
the Manual of Style. Also, the language at the beginning of the subsection has
been cleaned up.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to the NFPA editorial staff for compliance with
the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-196 Log #26 Final Action: Accept
( 7.3.1 [4.3.1, Exception No. 2 Old] )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-59
Recommendation: Revise Committee Action as follows:
(1) Insert a new 7.3.1.2(7):
Exception No. 7: Venting of LP-Gas vapor utilized as the pressure source in
remote shutdown systems for internal valves and emergency shutoff valves.
(2) Insert a new (8) to section 7.3.1.2:
(8) Venting of LP-Gas vapor utilized as the pressure source in remote
shutdown systems for internal valves and emergency shutoff valves shall be
permitted.
Substantiation: There are numerous bulk plant installations in the United
States that are successfully using LP-Gas vapor as a pressure source for
activating remote shutoffs. Any pressure source offers different characteristics
that must be considered in the design of a remote shut down system.
LP-Gas is inexpensive, readily available, free of moisture and provides a
reliable pressure source. When a remote shut down system utilizing LP-Gas
vapor is properly designed, the system provides an equivalent level of safety
to other pressure sources. The proposed system may also increase the level
of safety by providing a reliable and readily available pressure source for
activating the remote shutoffs.
The proposed maximum tubing size has been increased from 1/4 in. to 3/8 in.
OD to allow greater flexibility in system design. The quantity of gas released
in the event of tubing failure is limited by an inlet orifice.
The proposal allows the current systems that have been operating with
no accident history to continue. Guidance for designing LP-Gas systems
is provided in the appendix. The proposed guidance recognizes different
environmental conditions that must be considered during the design phase of
the system.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-197 Log #176 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 7.3.2 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Separate title of 7.3.2 and renumber paragraphs
7.3.2 Purging.
7.3.2.1 Venting of gas from containers for purging or for other purposes shall
be accomplished in accordance with subsection 7.3.2. 7.3.2.2 through 7.3.2.4.
7.3.2.1 7.3.2.2 Venting of cylinder indoors shall only occur in structures
designed and constructed for cylinder filling in accordance with 6.5.1 and
Chapter 10 and with the following provisions: 7.3.2.2(A) through (C).
(1) (A) Piping shall be installed to convey the vented product outdoors at
least 3 ft (1 m) above the highest point of any building within 25 ft (7.6 m).
(2) (B) Only vapors shall be exhausted to the atmosphere.
(3) (C) If a vent manifold is used to allow for the venting of more than one
cylinder at a time, each connection to the vent manifold shall be equipped with
a backflow check valve.
7.3.2.2 7.3.2.3 Venting of containers outdoors shall be performed under
conditions that result in rapid dispersion of the product being released.
7.3.2.3 7.3.2.4 If conditions are such that venting into the atmosphere cannot
be accomplished safely, LP-Gas shall be permitted to be burned at least a
distance of 25 ft (7.6 m) from combustibles.
Substantiation: Renumbered to comply with the Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-198 Log #177 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 7.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Change format and separate titles of subsections from the
text and text should be numbered if there is more than one division as follows:
7.4 Quantity of LP-Gas in Containers.
7.4.1 Application. Section 7.4 applies to the maximum permissible LP-Gas
content of containers and the methods of verifying this quantity. (See Annex
F.)
7.4.2 LP-Gas Capacity of Containers.
7.4.2.1 The capacity of an LP-Gas container shall be determined either by
weight in accordance with 7.4.2.1 7.4.2.2 or by volume in accordance with
7.4.2.2 7.4.2.3.
7.4.2.1* 7.4.2.2* The maximum filling limit by weight of LP-Gas in a
container shall be in accordance with 7.4.2.1. Table 7.4.2.2.
Table 7.4.2.1 7.4.2.2 Maximum Filling Limit by Weight of LP-Gas
Containers (percent of marked water capacity in pounds)
[Existing Table 4.4.2.1, 2001 edition, no change]
7.4.2.2* 7.4.2.3* The maximum permitted volume of LP-Gas in a container
shall be in accordance with Tables 7.4.2.2 7.4.2.3(a), (b), and (c).
Table 7.4.2.2(a) 7.4.2.3(a) Maximum Permitted LP-Gas Volume (percent of
total container volume):
[Existing Table 4.4.2.2(a), 2001 edition, no change]
Table 7.4.2.2(b) 7.4.2.3(b) Maximum Permitted LP-Gas Volume (percent of
total container volume):
Aboveground Containers Over 1200 gal (0 to 4.5 m3)
[Existing Table 4.4.2.2(b), 2001 edition, no change]
Table 7.4.2.2(c) 7.4.2.3(c) Maximum Permitted LP-Gas Volume (percent of
total container volume):
All Underground Containers
[Existing Table 4.4.2.2(c), 2001 edition, no change]
Substantiation: The format was changed to separate titles from text as
explained earlier and if there is more than one paragraph, each paragraph has
its own number for reference purposes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-199 Log #178 Final Action: Accept in Principle in Part
( 7.4.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Change the format and separate the title of subsections
from the text and number all of the text if there is more than one division, and
also add new title to cover volumetric filling
7.4.3 Compliance with Maximum Permitted Filling Limit Provisions. The
maximum permitted filling limit for any container shall be determined by
weight or by the volumetric filling method in accordance with subsection
7.4.3.
7.4.3 General Provisions for the Volumetric Method of Filling Containers.
7.4.3.1 The volumetric method shall be limited to the following containers,
where they that are designed and equipped for filling by volume
(1) Cylinders of less than 200-lb (91-kg) water capacity that are not subject
to DOT jurisdiction
(2) Cylinders of 200-lb (91-kg) water capacity or more
(3) Cargo tanks or portable tank containers complying with DOT
specifications MC-330, MC-331, or DOT 51
(4) ASME and API-ASME containers complying with 5.2.1.3 or 5.2.2.2
7.4.3.2 Where used, the volumetric method shall be in accordance with the
following: 7.4.3.2(A) through (C).
(1) (A) If a fixed maximum liquid level gauge or a variable liquid level
gauge is used without where the liquid volume temperature correction is not
easily determined is used, the liquid level indicated by these gauges shall be
computed based on the maximum permitted filling limit when the liquid is
at 40°F (4°C) for aboveground containers or at 50°F (10°C) for underground
containers.
(2) (B) When a variable liquid level gauge is used and the liquid volume
is corrected for temperature, the maximum permitted liquid level shall be in
accordance with Tables 7.4.2.2 7.4.3.2(a), (b), and (c).
(3) (C)* Aboveground ASME containers with a water capacity of 2000 1200
gal (7.6 m3) or less or over 1200 gal (7.6 m3 ) that are filled by the volumetric
method shall be gauged in accordance with 7.4.3.3 Table 7.4.3.2(a) or Table
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7.4.3.2(b) respectively, utilizing the fixed maximum liquid level gauge, except
that containers fabricated on or before December 31, 1965, shall be exempt
from this provision.
(D) Underground ASME containers of any water capacity that are filled by
the volumetric method shall be gauged in accordance with Table 7.4.3.2(c).
7.4.3.4 7.4.3.3 Where containers are to be filled volumetrically by a variable
liquid level gauge in accordance with 7.4.3.3 (b), Table 7.4.3.2(a), (b), and (c)
provisions shall be made for determining the liquid temperature.
Substantiation: This section that covers volumetric filling of containers
had very many errors that have now been corrected above. It was clearly
pointed out in the text that the three tables covered aboveground containers
that are less than 1200 gal water capacity, over 1200 gal water capacity,
and underground containers of any capacity. Text was added about the
underground containers. Several other editorial adjustments were make this
section accurate and useful.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle in Part
1. Revise 7.4.3 as proposed in the comment
2. Revise 7.4.3.1 (3) by deleting “containers” and substituting “tanks” for
“tank”
3. Revise 7.4.3.2 (c) by substituting “1200” for “2000”
Committee Statement: Significant editorial changes are accepted. Other
items are Held for Further Study because they may introduce substantive
changes.
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
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58-200 Log #179 Final Action: Accept
( 7.4.4.1 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
7.4.4.1 An overfilling prevention device shall not be the primary means to
determine when a cylinder is full. filled to the maximum allowable filling
limit.
Substantiation: We do not fill cylinders “full” unless we we are terrorists.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-201 Log #44 Final Action: Reject
( 7-4.4.3, A.7.4.4.3(New) [4-4.3.6 and A.4.4.3.6 Old] )
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Submitter: Richard G. Fredenburg, North Carolina Dept. of Agriculture &
Consumer Services
Comment on Proposal No:58-87
Recommendation: Add the following text to Chapter 4:
7.4.4.3* When a container of less than 200 lb water capacity (84 lb propane
capacity) is filled by a pump with a rated capacity of 20 gpm or more,
proper filling level shall be verified by weight or bleed valve after the filling
connection has been removed. Any overfill amount shall be removed from the
container before the container is released to the consumer. If releasing the
overfill amount, the release shall take place at a location at least 10 ft from a
source of ignition and follow training guidelines for filling containers.
Add the following text to Appendix A:
A.7.4.4.3 Small volume containers can be easily overfilled by high volume
pumps, even, in some cases, where a fill valve is equipped with a stop-fill or
overfill prevention device. It is important to verify the amount of fuel in the
container before it is released to the consumer when high volume pumps are
used.
If an overfill portion of LP-Gas must be released from the container, here are
some suggestions for how and where to do it:
1. Remove the container to a location away from sources of ignition and
gatherings of people. Use of the separation requirements in Section 3.2.2.2
are good guidelines for determining how far to remove the container.
2. If possible, use a cylinder purging facility with an elevated release point.
3. Take precautions to prevent liquid LP-Gas from touching skin, eyes, and
other body parts.
Substantiation: A form of this comment was presented as Proposal 58-87
(Log #32). It was rejected, with the committee statement being that “The
proposed text does not add new requirements to the Code.” I disagree. The
new requirement is that an additional step must be taken after the filling
hose is disconnected to verify proper filing before the container is released
to the customer when a high flow rate pump is used to fill a small container.
Nowhere else I know of in the Code is there a requirement to verify proper
filling after the filling hose is disconnected.
Having watched the filling of many smaller containers, it is evident that the
response of the operator is not always as quick as it should be. If the pump is
a high volume pump and the container is small, it is very easy to not respond
fast enough and the container becomes overfilled quickly. This requirement
would make the operator perform an additional check of the container to
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verify that it is not overfilled, or if it is, to remove some of the fuel to make it
safe.
This problem was emphasized by an accident on August 9, 2001. A 9.9
gallon ASME tank mounted on a van was filled at a dispensing station. Since
they had no meter on the dispenser, they used a bobtail to fill the tank. The
receipt showed that they put 9.7 gallons into the tank, clearly an overfill for
this tank. The tank was equipped with a stop-fill device and the operator
assumed it had one and that it was working. After disassembling the tank
fittings, we verified as much as we could that the stop-fill action was working.
It appeared to be working, as it shut off flow when using air as the test
medium and the float was manually moved to the full position. We checked
with a manufacturerʼs representative for this valve and he stated that filling
at high flow rate on this valve disables the stop-fill function. This is not an
intended consequence, but it does occur. The manufacturer would not state
what the maximum permitted flow would be to prevent disabling the stop-fill
function. Many of these valves have been installed on small ASME tanks.
The result of this overfill was the complete loss of the vehicle and all of the
equipment in it, putting the owner out of business until another van could be
bought and equipped.
The next part of the substantiation is less supportable. Our inspectors have
been told by propane company representatives that the OPDs are breaking
and that they donʼt work at high flow rates. None of the dealers making
the statement wanted to be identified. I saw some broken OPD valves that
were about to be installed in cylinders until the break was discovered. The
manufacturer claims that filling cannot occur if the valve is broken this way.
If one manufacturerʼs valve can break this way, this and other manufacturerʼs
valves can break in other ways that may not be fail safe. One manufacturerʼs
representative told me he has heard of some off-shore OPD valves that are
incapacitated by high flow rates.
We have situations at state and county fairs where cylinders from 5 pounds
propane capacity to 420 pounds propane capacity are filled by bobtails brought
onsite to fill any container the customer presents for filling. Most companies
allow the driver to fill these containers. The OPD should work on the smaller
cylinders, but there is a concern filling 50 and 60 pound cylinders, those not
required to have an OPD. If the cylinder is overfilled due to not having an
OPD, or if the OPD malfunctions at the high flow rate, the consequences at
the fairs can be significant as it could easily involve many people since the
population density at fairs is very high.
This new requirement would not prevent use of high flow rate pumps to
fill small containers, it would only add a minor step to verify that overfilling
has not occurred. This is a very small impact on the activities of a dispenser
operator.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: This concept was rejected at the ROP stage. The
added sentence in the comment does not add a new requirement as the 10 ft
distance exists in Chapter 6.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 25 Negative: 2
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
FREDENBURG: Section 7.4.4.3 - The committee has spoken twice about
what I feel is a serious safety concern. I must not have made my point for a
simple requirement to help prevent a demonstrated hazard. But I feel strong
enough on this that I will take it to T & S for further study to see if they
determine if it is a hazard or not.
ONEIL: No reason given.
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58-202 Log #180 Final Action: Reject
( 8.1 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: The beginning of this chapter needs major surgery. We
have untitled subsections mixed with titled subsections.
8.1 Scope.
8.1.1 Application.
8.1.1.1 The provisions of this chapter apply to the storage of cylinders of
1000-lb (454-kg) water capacity or less, whether filled, partially filled, or
empty as follows:
(1) At consumer sites or dispensing stations, where not connected for use
(2) In storage for resale or exchange by dealer or reseller
8.1.1.2 This chapter does not apply to new or unused cylinders.
8.1.1.3 This chapter does not apply to cylinders stored at bulk plants.
8.2 General Provisions.
8.2.1 General Location of Cylinders.
8.2.1.1 Cylinders in storage shall be located to minimize exposure to
excessive temperature rises, physical damage, or tampering.
8.2.1.1 8.1.1.2 Cylinders in storage having individual water capacity
greater than 2.7 lb (1.1 kg) [nominal 1 lb (0.45 kg) LP-Gas capacity] shall be
positioned so that the pressure relief valve is in direct communication with the
vapor space of the cylinder.
8.2.1.3 Cylinders stored in buildings in accordance with Section 8.3 shall not
be located near exits, stairways, or in areas normally used, or intended to be
used, for the safe egress of occupants.
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8.2.1.4 If empty cylinders that have been in LP-Gas service are stored
indoors, they shall be considered as full cylinders for the purposes of
determining the maximum quantities of LP-Gas permitted in accordance with
8.3.1, 8.3.2.1, and 8.3.3.1.
8.2.1.5 Cylinders shall not be stored on roofs.
Substantiation: Corrected errors.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The revisions are not needed.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-203 Log #181 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 8.2.2.2 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
8.2.2.2 Screw-on-type caps or collars shall be in place on all cylinders stored,
regardless of whether they are full, partially full, or empty, and cylinder outlet
valves shall be closed and if they are less than 108 –lb (949 kg) water capacity
[nominal 45 –lb (20 kg) propane capacity], the valves shall also be plugged or
capped.
Substantiation: The language added complies with 7.2.2.5.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Revise text to read as follows:
8.2.2.2 Screw-on-type caps or collars shall be in place on all cylinders stored,
regardless of whether they are full, partially full, or empty, and cylinder outlet
valves shall be closed.
8.2.2.3 Valve outlets on cylinders less than 108 lb (949 kg) water capacity
[nominal 45 lb (20 kg) propane capacity], shall be plugged, capped, or sealed
in accordance with 7.2.2.5.
Committee Statement: Accepted with an editorial change.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-204 Log #CC41 Final Action: Accept
( 8.3, 8.3.1 )
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Submitter: Technical Committee on Liquefied Petroleum Gases
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise Section 8.3 to read:
8.3.1 Storage of cylinders in buildings in shall be in accordance with Table
8.3.1 a, or Table 8.3.2 b, or the requirements Section 8.3. (Tables shown on the
following pages)
8.3.2 thru 8.3.6, current 8.3.1 thru 8.3.5
Substantiation: The requirements are revised to tabular form for ease of use
and
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
STOOKEY: This proposal does not correlate NFPA 58 to NFPA 5000.
NFPA 5000 is an occupancy based building code. The proposed maximum
allowable quantities only give guidance for three occupancies - so in the case
of an assembly or institutional occupancy, this proposal offers no assistance in
establishing indoor quantity limits for liquefied petroleum gases.
The other problem is that the section titled storage has a parenthetical citation
stating the units. The committee did not indicate the units of measurement
in the proposal. One can interpret that the values shown in the table are 200
pounds while another may interpret 200 gallons.
_______________________________________________________________
58-205 Log #182 Final Action: Accept
( 8.3.2 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
8.3.2 Storage Within Buildings Not Frequented by the Public (Such as
Industrial Buildings).
8.3.2.1 The maximum quantity of LP-Gas allowed in one storage location
shall not exceed 735-lb (334-kg) water capacity [nominal 300 lb (136 kg) LP-
Gas capacity].
Substantiation: No substantiation needed except title is ridiculous.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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Occupancy Assembly Educational Day- Health Ambulatory Detention 1&2 Lodging Hotel and Apartment Residential Business
Care Care Health Care and Family or Dormitory Board and
Correctional Dwellings Rooming Care
House
Maximum Allowable
Quantity:
Storage (state units: lbs, 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 lb 2 lb. 2 2 lb 2 2
gals, etc.))

Max 1 lb. 1 lb. cyl

cylinders

MAQ Increases For:

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Total incl. Cabiners 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 lb 2 lb 2 2 2 2

Total for Supresssion: 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 lb 2 lb 2 2 2 2

Total for both cabinets 0.0E+01 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2 2

and Supresssion:

Attended Catered Food 15 lb 15 lb 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb.
Service Per NFPA 58 In

58-48
10 oz. Max cylinders
15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb.
Addʼl 10 oz. cylinders 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb. 15 lb.
w/2 hr. firewall
Other
Total (including thresh- 20 lb 20 lb 0.0E+01 5 lb
old) for other
Flame In Labs- not In labs Amts. Per
effects in class- only. dwelling
NFPA 160. rooms. Addʼl 5
Addʼl 20 lb Addʼl 20 lb lb units
units with units with with 20
20 ft sep. 20 ft sep. ft sep.

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Table 8.3.1b. Maximum allowable storage quantities of LP-Gas in mercantile, industrial and storage occupancies

Occupancy

Mercantile Industrial Storage

Maximum Allowable Quantity:

200 (1 lb max/ cyl.

Storage (state units: lbs, gals, etc.)) 300 300
MAQ Increases For:

Total (including threshold) for Cabinets: 200 300 300

Total (including threshold) for Supresssion: 200 300 300

Total (including threshold) for both cabinets and
Supresssion: 200 300 300

Total (including threshold) for other (describe: Addʼl 300 lb 10,000 lb

300 ft separation

In special rooms or bldgs per

chapter 7

_____________________________________________________________ (2) At least 10 ft (3 m) from any doorway or opening in a building or

58-206 Log #183 Final Action: Accept
( 8.3.3.2 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
8.3.3.2 Special buildings or rooms for storing LP-Gas cylinders shall
not be located where the buildings or rooms adjoining adjoin the line of
property occupied by schools, churches, hospitals, athletic fields, or other
points of public gathering.
8.3.3.3 The construction of all such special buildings, and rooms within, or
attached to, other buildings shall comply with Chapter 10 and the following:
(1) Vents, to the outside only shall be provided at both the top and bottom
of the building and shall be located at least 5 ft (1.5 m) from any building
opening.
(2) The entire area shall be classified for purposes of ignition source
control in accordance with Section 6.21.
Substantiation: Editorial corrections for increased clarity.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-207 Log #184 Final Action: Accept
( 8.4.1.1 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
8.4.1.1 Storage outside of buildings for cylinders awaiting use, resale, or
part of a cylinder exchange point shall be located as follows:
(1) At least 5 ft (1.5 m) from any doorway or opening in a building
frequented by the public where occupants have at least two means of egress
as defined by NFPA 101, Life Safety Code
sections of a building that has For buildings, or sections of buildings, having
only one means of egress. , at least 10 ft (3m) from the doorway or opening
(3) At least 20 ft (6.1 m) from any automotive service station fuel dispenser
8.4.1.2 Distances from cylinders in storage outside buildings shall be in
accordance with Table 8.4.1.2 with respect to the following:
(a) (1) Nearest important building or group of buildings
(b) (2) Line of adjoining property that can be built upon
(c) (3) Busy thoroughfares or sidewalks
(d) (4) Line of adjoining property occupied by schools, churches, hospitals,
athletic fields, or other points of public gathering
(e) (5) Dispensing station
Substantiation: Corrections made to comply with the Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-208 Log #185 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 8.4.2.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Separate text from title.
8.4.2.3 Alternate Location and Protection of Storage. Where the provisions
of 8.4.1 and 8.4.2.1 are impractical at construction sites or at buildings
or structures undergoing major renovation or repairs, alternate storage of
cylinders shall be acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction.
Substantiation: None given.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 25 Negative: 1 Abstain: 1

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Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
GILBERT: Reject as submitted, accept in principle. Revise the phrase
“shall be acceptable to the authority having jurisdiction”. This phrase places
a mandatory obligation on the AHJ. Replace with “shall be approved by the
authority having jurisdiction”.
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-209 Log #186 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 9.1.2 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
9.1.2 This chapter does not apply to the following:
(1) cylinders Cylinders and related equipment incident to their use on
vehicles as covered in 6.22 and Chapter 11.
(2)* Vehicles and procedures under the jurisdiction of DOT shall comply
with DOT regulations.
Substantiation: Typo and and deleted words make this qualify as a list.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer this comment to the NFPA Editorial
Department for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-210 Log #187 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 9.2 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Separate text from title.
9.2 Electrical Requirements. Only electrical lighting shall be used with the
vehicles covered by this chapter. Wiring shall be insulated and protected from
physical damage
Substantiation: None given.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-211 Log #188 Final Action: Accept
( 9.3.2.10 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Add text to read as follows:
9.3.2.10 Vehicles transporting cylinders where the total weight is more than
1000 lb (454 kg), including the weight of the LP-Gas and the cylinders, shall
be placarded as required by DOT regulations or state law.
Substantiation: Change made for clarity.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-212 Log #189 Final Action: Accept
( 9.3.3 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
9.3.3 Transportation of Portable Containers of More Than 1000 lb (454 kg)
Water Capacity.
9.3.3.1 Portable containers having an individual water capacity exceeding
1000 lb (454 kg) [nominal 420 lb (191 kg) LP-Gas capacity] when filled with
LP-Gas shall be transported in compliance with the requirements of Section
9.3.
58-50
NFPA 58
9.3.3.2 Containers Portable containers shall be constructed in accordance
with Section 5.2 and equipped in accordance with Section 5.3 for portable use
or shall comply with DOT portable tank specifications for LP-Gas service.
9.3.3.3 The quantity of LP-Gas put into portable containers shall be in
accordance with Chapter 7.
9.3.3.4 Valves and other portable container appurtenances shall be protected
in accordance with 5.2.4.2.
9.3.3.5 Transportation of portable containers and their appurtenances shall be
in accordance with the following:
(1) Containers Portable containers and their appurtenances shall be leak-free
before being loaded into vehicles.
(2) Containers Portable containers shall be transported in a rack or frame or
on a flat surface
(3) Containers shall be fastened in a position to minimize the possibility
of movement, tipping, or physical damage, relative to each other or to the
supporting structure, while in transit.
9.3.3.6 Containers Portable containers shall be transported with pressure
relief devices in communication with the vapor space.
9.3.3.7 Vehicles carrying more than 1000 lb (454 kg), including the weight of
the LP-Gas and the portable containers, shall be placarded as required by DOT
regulations or state law.
Substantiation: Added “portable” for clarity.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-213 Log #190 Final Action: Reject
( 9.3.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Delete the following text:
9.3.4 ASME containers to be used as portable storage containers including
movable fuel storage tenders and farm carts for temporary stationary service
(normally not more than 12 months duration at any location) when moved
shall contain a heel volume of 5 percent or less of the water capacity of the
container. (ROP 58-30)
Renumber “9.3.5” to “9.3.4”.
Substantiation: This paragraph does not belong here and should deleted.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The paragraph is needed.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-214 Log #191 Final Action: Reject
( 9.4.2 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
9.4.2 Containers Mounted on, or a Part of, Cargo Tanks Mounted on Cargo
Tank Vehicles.
9.4.2.1 Containers Cargo tanks mounted on, or comprising in whole or in
part, the stress member used in lieu of a frame for cargo tank vehicles shall
comply with DOT cargo tank vehicle specifications for LP-Gas service.
9.4.2.2 Such containers cargo tanks shall also comply with Section 5.2 and
be equipped with appurtenances as provided in Section 5.3 for cargo service.
9.4.2.3 Liquid hose of 11/2-in. (nominal size) and larger and vapor hose of
11/4-in. (nominal size) and larger shall be protected with an internal valve that
complies with Section 2.4.5.4(1) and (2). Section 6.9.
9.4.2.4 Where flow is only into the cargo tank, a backflow check valve or an
internal valve shall be installed in the cargo tank.
Substantiation: Editorial changes covering cargo tanks made throughout this
section.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The proposed changes do not add clarity to the code.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-215 Log #14 Final Action: Reject
( 9-4.2.3 [6-3.2.2 Old] )
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Submitter: Jim Griffin, Fisher Control International Inc.
Comment on Proposal No:58-91
Recommendation: I support code wording as presented in ROP 58-91. I
would request that additional substantiation be added to ROP 58-91 for
further clarification and reasoning for referring to the requirements of Section
2.4.5.4(1) and (2).
The term “internal self-closing stop valve” is a term used by DOT, but is not
defined in this code. The term “internal valve” is more technically accurate
and should be used exclusively. The reference to Section 2.4.5.4(1) & (2) is
necessary to clarify which method(s) of protection are provided by the Internal
Valve in order to “protect” the hose. NFPA 58 9.4.2.3 has never required and
should not require the internal valve excess flow function to provide hose
protection as there are too many restrictions between the excess flow and
the hose that will make excess flow closure an unreliable protection in this
application. The addition of these paragraph clarifications result in the same
level of protection that was required by the term “Internal Self Closing Stop
Valve” in the 2001 edition and by “Emergency Valves” in 1998 and early
editions of NFPA 58 for this paragraph which did not require excess flow
function.
Substantiation:
• The reference to Section 2.4.5.4(1) and (2) is necessary to clarify what
method(s) of protection are provided by the Internal Valve to “protect” the
hose. NFPA 58 9.4.2.3 has never required excess flow closure to provide hose
protection. Further reasoning is provided below.
• NFPA 58, paragraph 9.4.2.3 tries to define the “protection” afforded a
hose by valve terminology and not by describing the features needed to protect
the hose. Users must look at the valve definition to determine the features
that are supposed to “protect” the hose. Technically, no valve can protect
(or as the dic tionary states “...defend, guard from attack, ...cover or shield
from injury or danger”) the hose from damage, deterioration, overpressure
or failure. What the valve can do is shut off the flow of product to the hose
in the event that the pressure integrity of the hose is compromised. Using
the term “internal valve” without restrictions adds new code requirements
(excess flow function) which will not always activate to “protect” the hoses.
Realistically, an excess flow located in the bottom of the tank can not be relied
upon nor should it be expected to provide reliable closure in the event of
hose separation or loss of pressure integrity. There are too many restrictions
between the internal valve and the hose to make excess flow closure a reliable
protection feature.
• From about 1976 through the 1998 edition of this paragraph, an
“Emergency Valve” defined the features desired. These features are found
in 1.7.71.1 and 2.4.5.4. These features are summarized here as “Thermal
Actuation”, “Manual Shutoff from a Remote Location”, and “Manual Shutoff
at the Installed Location”. The most important part of the listed features is
that excess flow protection is not included. In the wisdom of the original
drafters to the first edition of this paragraph, they did not require excess flow
protection because of the many system restrictions between an excess flow
valve or function incorporated into an internal valve and the hose make it
almost impossible for flow rate to exceed the excess flow closing rate.
• However, the LP-Gas industry does not use an Emergency Valve on
Cargo Tank Vehicles. Therefore, in the 2001 edition, “Emergency Valve” was
replaced with the DOT terminology of “Internal Self-Closing Stop Valve”.
But there is no definition in NFPA 58 for “Internal Self-Closing Stop Valve”.
By DOTʼs definitions, an Internal Self-Closing Stop Valve does not have
an excess flow feature or function, but it does include the same features as
described in 1.7.71.1 and 2.4.5.4 for an Emergency Valve. So technically,
there was no change in the code. However, the LP-Gas industry did not
recognize this new valve terminology.
• An Internal Valve is defined in 1.7.71.4 and includes the same features
as found in 1.7.71.1 and 2.4.5.4 PLUS “excess flow function:. By definition
then, if we define “protection” as being afforded ay an Internal Valve, we
have added a new code requirement (excess flow) for the hose. In reality,
the pump, meter, piping size changes, variations in inlet pressures, etc. found
between the internal valve (including the excess flow function) and the hose
will in most cases restrict flow to less than the required flow rate to activate
the excess flow function in the internal valve. Therefore, without closure
because of the many restrictions in the system, no “protection” is afforded the
hose. It is these system features that make the excess flow function unreliable
and an inappropriate choice for protecting the hose. For further explanations
to excess flow limitations refer to NPGA 113 “The Limitations of Excess Flow
Check Valves for LP-Gas” and to Fisherʼs Internal Valve Instructions Manuals.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The comment does not make a specific proposal
as required in the NFPA Regulations Govern Committee Projects. The
committee can not add additional substantiation to a proposal.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-216 Log #15 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 9-4.2.3 [6-3.2.2 Old] )
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Submitter: Jim Griffin, Fisher Control International Inc.
Comment on Proposal No:58-92
Recommendation: I agree with the committeeʼs rejection of this proposal.
Acceptable code wording is presented in ROP 58-92 (9.4.2.3) (Log #63),
which I support.
Substantiation: • The root problem with 9.4.2.3 is that NFPA 58 tries to
define the “protection” afforded the hose by valve terminology and not by
describing the features we want. Users must look at the valve definition to
determine the features that are supposed to “protect” the hose. Technically,
no valve can protect (or as the dictionary states “...defend, guard from attack,
...cover or shield from injury or danger”) the hose from damage, deterioration,
overpressure or failure. What the valve can do is shut off the flow of product
to the hose in the event that the pressure integrity of the hose is compromised.
Using the term “internal valve” without restrictions adds new code
requirements (excess flow) that will not always activate to “protect” the hoses.
Realistically, an excess flow located in the bottom of the cargo tank can not be
relied upon nor should it be expected to provide closure in the event of hose
separation or loss of pressure integrity.
• From about 1976 through the 1998 edition of this paragraph, an
“Emergency Valve” defined the features desired. These features are found
in 1.7.71.1 and 2.4.5.4. These features are summarized here as “Thermal
Actuation”, “Manual Shutoff from a Remote Location” and “Manual Shutoff
at the Installed Location”. The most important part of the listed features is
that excess flow protection is not included. In the wisdom of the original
drafters to the first edition of this paragraph, they did not require excess flow
protection because of the many systems restrictions between an excess flow
function or function incorporated into an internal valve and hose make it
almost impossible for flow rate to exceed the excess flow closing rate.
• However, the LP-Gas industry does not use an Emergency Valve on
Cargo Tank Vehicles. Therefore, in the 2001 edition, “Emergency Valve” was
replaced with the DOT terminology of “Internal Self-Closing Stop Valve”.
But there is no definition in NFPA 58 for “Internal Self-Closing Stop Valve”.
By DOTʼs definitions, an Internal Self-Closing Stop Valve does not have
an excess flow feature or function, but it does include the same features as
described in 1.7.71.1 and 2.4.5.4. for an Emergency Valve. So technically,
there was no change in the code. However, the LP-Gas industry did not
recognize this new valve terminology.
• An Internal Valve is defined in 1.7.71.4 and includes the same features as
found in 1.7.71.1 and 2.4.5.4 PLUS “excess flow function”. By definition
then, if we define “protection” as being afforded by an Internal Valve, we
have added a new code requirement (excess flow) for the hose. In reality,
the pump, meter, piping size changes, variations in inlet pressures, etc. found
between the internal valve (including the excess flow function) and the hose
will in most cases restrict flow to less than the required flow rate to activate
the excess flow function in the internal valve. Therefore, without closure
because of the many restrictions in the system, no “protection” is afforded the
hose. It is these system features that make the excess flow function unreliable
and an inappropriate choice for protecting the hose. For further explanations
to excess flow limitations refer to NPGA 113 “The Limitations of Excess Flow
Check Valves for LP-Gas” and to Fisherʼs Internal Valve Instruction Manuals.
• The substantiation for ROP #91 is incorrect. The use of an internal valve
to protect a hose is not part of the DOT code as negotiated in DOT HM225A.
In fact it is contrary to what was agreed to in the negotiations between DOT
and the industry. If ROP #91 were accepted into NFPA 58, it would directly
conflict with the CFR49 code changes agreed to in HM225A. Considerable
time was spent in the negotiations explaining to DOT that an excess flow
valve could not be expected to function in the event of a hose failure. In
HM225A, the protection afforded to a liquid hose separation is in the form
of a “Passive Shutdown System” for transports and an “Off Truck Remote
Shutdown System” for bobtail trucks. Not excess flow function.
• One of the results of HM225A negotiations was to clarify CFR 49 code
language as to the function that an excess flow valve, function or feature could
provide in a Cargo Tank Vehicle, which is only shear protection at the outlet
of the excess flow valve. The current CFR 49 code does not rely on excess
flow equipment to stop the flow of product in the event of the loss of pressure
integrity to the hose or for hose separation.
• ROP #63 is acceptable because it defines {reference to 2.4.5.4(1) and (2)}
in the code, those internal valve functions, that the code is relying upon to
“protect” the hose. And more specifically, that protection is defined by those
features in the internal valve that can used with confidence to shut off the flow
of product upon the loss of pressure integrity in the hose whether it be a small
leak or complete hose separation.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The committee thanks Mr. Griffin for his support of
the committeeʼs action on proposal 58-92, however the statement provided
in the comment goes well beyond the committeeʼs reason for rejection of the
proposal, which was not to reprint DOT requirements in NFPA 58.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-217 Log #19 Final Action: Reject
( 9-4.3 [6-3.3 Old] )
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Submitter: Jim Everitt, Western Regional Fire Code Dev. Committee
Comment on Proposal No:58-93, 58-94, 58-95, 58-96, 58-97, 58-98, 58-99
Recommendation: Add the proposed text from these proposals into a new
Annex J.
Substantiation: We agree with the negative votes and this material should
be included in the document for guidance for the user and enforcers. By
putting it as a separate annex it does not become an enforceable item and can
be updated as needed dealing with some of the concerns of the committee
members.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: It is not appropriate to reprint DOT requirements
in NFPA 58 when they are readily available. These requirements have been
included in the “Regulatory Compliance Guide” published by the Propane
Education and Research Council, and is available free of charge from the
Councilʼs web page, www.propanecouncil.org.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
BELKE: I agree with the proposal to put the DOT requirements in an
appendix. This would make it easier for the user to locate relevant DOT
requirements, instead of having to locate another reference.
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58-218 Log #192 Final Action: Reject
( 9.4.3 )
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Note: The Ballot on this Comment did not receive the required two-thirds
affirmative vote of the Committee, but the comment is still rejected
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
9.4.3 Piping (Including Hose), Fittings, and Valves
9.4.3.1 Pipe, tubing, pipe and tubing fittings, valves, hose, and flexible
connectors shall comply with the following:
(1) The provisions of Section 5.4
(2) The provisions of DOT cargo tank vehicle specifications for LP-Gas
(3) The provisions for working pressure specified in 5.5.1.2.
9.4.3.2 The following shall also apply to pipe, Pipe, tubing, pipe and tubing
fittings, valves, hose, and flexible connectors: shall comply 9.4.3.2(A) through
(J).
(1) (A) Pipe shall be wrought iron, steel, brass, or copper in accordance with
5.4.2.
(2) (B) Tubing shall be steel, brass, or copper in accordance with 5.4.3(1),
(2), or (3).
(3) (C) Pipe and tubing fittings shall be steel, brass, copper, malleable iron,
or ductile (nodular) iron suitable for use with the pipe or tubing used as
specified in 9.4.3.1(1) or (2).
(4) (D) Pipe joints shall be threaded, flanged, welded, or brazed, and fittings,
where used, shall comply with 9.4.3.1(3).
(5) (E) Where joints are threaded, or threaded and back welded, pipe and
nipples shall be Schedule 80 or heavier
(6) (F) Copper or brass pipe and nipples shall be of equivalent strength as
Schedule 80 steel pipe or heavier.
(7) (G) Where joints are welded or brazed, the pipe and nipples shall be
Schedule 40 or heavier.
(8) (H) The pressure ratings of fittings or flanges shall comply with Table
5.5.1.2
(9) (I) Brazed joints shall be made with a brazing material having a melting
point exceeding 1000°F (538°C).
(10) (J) Tubing joints shall be brazed, using a brazing material having a
melting point of at least 1000°F (538°C).
9.4.3.2 9.4.3.3 Pipe, tubing, pipe and tubing fittings, valves, hose, and
flexible connectors, and complete cargo tank vehicle piping systems including
connections to equipment, after assembly, shall comply with 5.5.1.2.
9.4.3.4 Valves, including shutoff valves, excess-flow valves, backflow check
valves, and remotely controlled valves, used in piping shall comply with the
following:
(1) DOT cargo tank vehicle specifications for LP-Gas service
(2) The provisions of Subsection 5.4.5
(3) The minimum design pressure requirements of 5.5.1.2
9.4.3.5 Hose, hose connections, and flexible connectors shall comply with
5.4.6 and 9.4.3.1.
9.4.3.6 Flexible connectors used in the piping system to compensate for
stresses and vibration shall be limited to 3 ft (1 m) in overall length and when
replaced shall comply with 5.4.6.
9.4.3.7 Flexible connectors shall comply with the following: 9.4.3.7(A)
through (E).
(1) (A) Flexible connectors assembled from rubber hose and couplings shall
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be permanently marked to indicate the date of installation of the flexible
connector.
(2) (B) The flexible portion of the connector shall be replaced with an unused
connector within 10 years of the indicated date of installation of the connector.
and visually inspected before the first delivery of each day.
(C) Flexible connectors shall be visually inspected before the first delivery
each day.
(3) (D) The rubber hose portion of flexible connectors shall be replaced
whenever a cargo unit is remounted on a different chassis, or whenever the
cargo unit is repiped, if such repiping encompasses that portion of piping in
which the connector is located.
(4) (E) Replacement of the rubber hose portion of the flexible connector shall
not be required if the reinstallation or repiping is performed within 1 year of
the date of assembly of the connector.
9.4.3.8 All threaded primary valves and fittings used in liquid filling or vapor
equalization directly on the cargo container tank of transportation equipment
shall be of steel, malleable, or ductile iron construction.
9.4.3.9 All existing equipment shall be so equipped as described in 9.3.3.8.1
9.4.3.8 not later than the scheduled requalification date of the container cargo
tank.
Substantiation: Renumbered to comply with the Manual of Style and a few
changes were made to clarify the text.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The changes are more than editorial.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 13 Negative: 14
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
BELKE: The proposed changes are merely editorial, and are more clear
than the existing text.
BOGAN: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment. I feel the committee needs to re-
group and take a second look at this item.
BRUNNER: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
FAULHABER: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
HAYES: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
HOFFMANN: It is my understanding that significant issues exist with this
item and it should be revisited.
KEEPERS: Correction to subsection 9.4.3. This was a correction to 9.4.3. I
feel the committee should have accepted this as written.
LEWIS: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
MAXON: I feel this item needs further review by the full committee.
MCTIER: This comment was made to correct subsection 9.4.3 to comply
with the 2003 Manual of Style. Numbering was changed and 9.4.3.7(B) was
split as it combined two requirements in one sentence. There was nothing
done that was more than editorial. The statement of the Committee for the
rejection was as follows: “The changes are more than editorial”. As this
statement is not correct, the Committee should accept this comment as written
and reverse their previous decision.
MISEL: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
MORTIMER: This should be looked at again and reconsidered.
STERNOLA: This comment was made to correct subsection 9.4.3 to
comply with the 2003 Manual of Style. Numbering was changed and
9.4.3.7(B) was split as it combined two requirements in one sentence.
There was nothing done that was more than editorial. The statement of the
Committee for the rejection was as follows: “The changes are more than
editorial”. As this statement is not correct, the Committee should accept this
comment as written and reverse their previous decision.
VOLGSTADT: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
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58-219 Log #240 Final Action: Accept
( 9-4.3.1(3), 9.4.3.3(3) [6-3.3.1(3), 6.3.3.3 (3) Old] )
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Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 9.4.3.1(3) change “working pressure” to “service pressure
rating”
9.4.3.3(3) - change “minimum design pressure” to “pressure rating”
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-220 Log #194 Final Action: Reject
( 9.4.4.2 )
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Note Note: The Ballot on this Comment did not receive the required two-
thirds affirmative vote of the Committee, but the comment is still rejected
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
9.4.4.2 Equipment on cargo tank vehicles shall be mounted in place and
connected to the piping system in accordance with the manufacturerʼs
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instructions.
9.4.4.3 Container Cargo tank openings whose only function is for pump
bypass return shall be provided with one of the following:
Substantiation: Substituted “cargo tank” where appropriate.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The proposed text would be redundant.
The section covers cargo tank vehicles.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 14 Negative: 13
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
BOGAN: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment. I feel the committee needs to re-
group and take a second look at this item.
BRUNNER: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
FAULHABER: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
HAYES: See my comment on 58-10 (Log #253).
HOFFMAN: It is my understanding that significant issues exist with this
item and it should be revisited.
KEEPERS: Vehicle to cargo tank vehicles change. This proposal was to
correct Vehicles to “Cargo Tank Vehicles” which we have used in the past.
LEWIS: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
MAXON: I feel this item needs further review by the full committee.
MCTIER: This comment was made to correct “vehicles” to “cargo tank
vehicles” and “container” to “cargo tank” in order to be consistent with
the rest of NFPA 58. These two places were missed in pervious sweeps to
make similar changes for consistency. The rejection of the comment and the
Committee statement is seriously flawed. The Committee should reverse its
action and accept the comment.
MORTIMER: This should be looked at again and reconsidered.
MISEL: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
STERNOLA: This comment was made to correct “vehicles” to “cargo
tank vehicles” and “container” to “cargo tank” in order to be consistent with
the rest of NFPA 58. These two places were missed in previous sweeps to
make similar changes for consistency. The rejection of the comment and the
Committee statement is seriously flawed. The Committee should reverse its
action and accept the comment.
VOLGSTADT: Refer to Mr. McTierʼs comment.
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58-221 Log #195 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 9.4.4.5 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
9.4.4.5 The installation of compressors shall comply with the provisions of
6.16.2 and 9.4.4.1 9.3.4.1.
9.4.4.6 The installation of liquid meters shall be in accordance with 6.16.4.2.
9.4.4.7 9.4.4.5 Where wet hose is carried while connected to the truckʼs liquid
pump discharge piping, an automatic device, such as a differential regulator,
shall be installed between the pump discharge and the hose connection to
prevent liquid discharge while the pump is not operating.
Substantiation: Paragraphs 9.4.4.5 and 9.4.4.6 are not needed and are
redundant to 9.4.4.1.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer this comment to the NFPA Editorial
Department for compliance with the Manual fo Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-222 Log #196 Final Action: Reject
( 9.4.5 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Separate text from titles.
9.4.5 Protection of Container Appurtenances, Piping System, and Equipment.
Container appurtenances, piping, and equipment comprising the complete LP-
Gas system on the cargo tank vehicle shall be mounted in position (see 9.4.2.1
for container mounting), shall be protected against damage, and shall be in
accordance with DOT regulations.
9.4.6 Painting and Marking Cargo Tank Vehicles.
9.4.6.1 Painting of cargo tank vehicles shall comply with 49
9.4.6.2 Placarding and marking cargo tank vehicles shall comply with 49
CFR.
9.4.7 Fire Extinguishers.
Each cargo tank vehicle or tractor shall be provided with at least one
approved portable fire extinguisher having a minimum capacity of 18 lb (8.2
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kg) dry chemical with a B:C rating. Where fire extinguishers have more than
one letter classification, they can be considered to satisfy the requirements of
each letter class.
9.4.8 Chock Blocks for Cargo Tank Vehicles.
Each cargo tank vehicle and trailer shall carry chock blocks, which shall be
used to prevent rolling of the vehicle whenever it is being loaded or unloaded
or is parked.
9.4.9 Exhaust Systems.
The truck engine exhaust system shall comply with Federal Motor Carrier
Safety Regulations.
9.4.10 Smoking Prohibition.
No person shall smoke or carry lighted smoking material as follows:
(1) On or within 25 ft (7.6 m) of a vehicle that is containing LP-Gas liquid
or vapor
(2) At points of liquid transfer and
(3) When delivering or connecting to containers
9.5 Trailers, Semitrailers, and Movable Fuel Storage Tenders, Including Farm
Carts.
9.5.1 Application.
Section 9.5 applies to all cargo tank vehicles, other than trucks, that are
parked at locations other than bulk plants.
Substantiation: Separated all of the above titles from the text to make
document more user friendly.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The proposed changes are not needed.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-223 Log #197 Final Action: Accept
( 9.5.2.6 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
9.5.2.6 Moveable Movable fuel storage tenders shall comply with the
following:
(1) Moveable Movable fuel storage tenders shall be so positioned that
container pressure relief valves communicate with the vapor space.
(2) Moveable Movable fuel storage tenders shall not be filled on a public
way.
(3) Moveable Movable fuel storage tenders shall contain no more than 5
percent of their water capacity in liquid form during transportation to or from
the bulk plant.
(4) Movable fuel storage tenders shall be moved on the The shortest practical
route shall be used when transporting tenders between points of utilization.
Substantiation: Corrected spelling and changes (4) to be a parallel part of a
list.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-224 Log #198 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 9.6.2.2 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
9.6.2.2 Containers shall be permitted to be transported with more LP-Gas
than 5 percent of their water capacity in a liquid form but shall not exceed
the less than the maximum permitted by Section 7.4, provided that all the
following conditions apply:
Substantiation: This is a better approach to cover this requirement.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer this comment to the NFPA Editorial
Department for compliance with the Manual fo Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-225 Log #199 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 9.7.2 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Delete the following text:
9.7.2 Parking. When parked, tank trailers or semitrailers shall be positioned
so that the pressure relief valves communicate with the vapor space of the
container.
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Substantiation: This is new material that is unneeded and should be deleted.
It is not located in the 2001 Edition of NFPA 58 in this section.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-226 Log #200 Final Action: Reject
( 9.7.3.1 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
9.7.3.1 Vehicles shall not be left unattended on any street, highway, avenue,
or alley, except for necessary absences from the vehicle associated with
driversʼ normal duties, including stops for meals and rest stops during the day
or night, emergencies, or parked in accordance with 9.7.2.3 and 9.7.2.4. except
as follows:
(1) This requirement shall not apply in an emergency.
(2) This requirement shall not apply to vehicles parked in accordance with
9.6.2.1(2), (3), and (4).
Substantiation: Items (1) and (2) are covered in the rewrite of 9.7.3.1 and
can be deleted.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The text proposed for deletion is needed.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-227 Log #201 Final Action: Accept in Part
( 9.7.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
9.7.4 Parking Indoors.
9.7.4.1 Cargo tank vehicles parked in any public garage or building shall
have LP-Gas liquid removed from the following: cargo tank container, piping,
pump, meter, hoses, and related equipment.
(1) Cargo container
(2) Piping
(3) Pump
(4) Meter
(5) Hoses
(6) Related equipment
Substantiation: This change saves over an 1-1/2 in. of vertical space and just
as easy to read.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Part
Substitute “tank” for “container”.
Committee Statement: The change to cargo tank is accepted for consistency
in the document. The list of items is preferred.
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-228 Log #202 Final Action: Reject
( 9.7.4.7 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
9.7.4.7 Where vehicles Vehicles parked indoors for servicing and repair shall
comply with 9.7.4.7(A) through (B).
(1) (A) When it is necessary to move a vehicle into any building located on
premises owned or operated by the operator of such vehicle for service on
engine or chassis, the cargo tank and piping system shall be thoroughly purged
and the provisions of 9.7.4.1 or and 9.7.4.2 shall apply.
(2) (B) When it is necessary to move a vehicle carrying or containing LP-Gas
into any public garage or repair facility for service on the engine or chassis,
the provisions of 9.7.4.1 or 0.7.4.2 9.7.4.2 shall apply, or the driver or a
qualified representative of an LP-Gas operator shall be in attendance at all
times while the vehicle is indoors, and the following shall apply:
Substantiation: Minor changes to comply with the Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The comment is not editorial.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-229 Log #203 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 10.1 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Separate text from the titles.
Chapter 10 Buildings or Structures Housing LP-Gas Distribution Facilities
10.1 Scope.
10.1.1 Application.
This chapter applies to the construction, ventilation, and heating of structures,
parts of structures, and rooms housing LP-Gas systems where specified by
other parts of the code.
10.1.2 Non Application
This chapter does not apply to buildings constructed or converted before
December 31, 1972
Substantiation: None given.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-230 Log #204 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 10.2.2 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Separate text from titles.
10.2.2 Structure or Building Ventilation.
The structure shall be ventilated using air inlets and outlets, the bottom of
which shall be not more than 6 in. (150 mm) above the floor, and ventilation
shall be provided in accordance with the following:
10.2.3 Structure or Building Heating.
Heating shall be by steam or hot water radiation or other heating transfer
medium, with the heat source located outside of the building or structure (see
Section 3.7), or by electrical appliances listed for Class I, Group D, Division 2
locations, in accordance with NFPA 70, National Electrical Code.
Substantiation: None given.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-231 Log #205 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 10.3.1, 10.3.1.2, 10.3.1.3, 10.3.1.4, 10.3.1.5 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Separate text from title.
10.3.1 Construction of Attached Structures.
10.3.1.1 Attached structures shall be spaces where 50 percent or less of the
perimeter of the enclosed space is comprised of common walls.
10.3.1.1 10.3.1.2 Attached structures shall comply with 7.2.1.
10.3.1.2 10.3.1.3 Common walls of structures shall have the following
features:
(1) A fire resistance rating of at least 1 hour
(2) Where openings are required in common walls for rooms used only for
storage of LP-Gas, 11/2 hour (B) fire doors
(3) A design that withstands a static pressure of at least 100 lb per ft2 (4.8
kPa)
10.3.1.3 10.3.1.4 Where the building to which the structure is attached is
occupied by
operations or processes having a similar hazard, the provisions of 7.3.1.2 shall
not apply.
10.3.1.4 10.3.1.5 Ventilation and heating shall comply with 7.2.2 and 7.2.3.
Substantiation: Separated text from the title and renumbered .
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
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Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-232 Log #206 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 10.3.2 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Separate text from title and number first paragraph and
renumber the rest of the section.
10.3.2 Construction of Rooms Within Structures.
10.3.2.1 Rooms within structures shall be spaces where more than 50 percent
of the perimeter of the space enclosed is comprised of common walls.
10.3.2.1 10.3.2.2 Rooms within structures shall be located in the first story
and shall have at least one exterior wall with unobstructed free vents for freely
relieving explosion pressures
(renumber remaining paragraphs)
Substantiation: None given.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
_______________________________________________________________
58-233 Log #207 Final Action: Reject
( 11.2 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
11.2 Training. Each person engaged in installing, repairing, filling, or
otherwise servicing an LP-Gas engine fuel system shall be trained in the
necessary procedures.
This training shall be documented.
Substantiation: This sentence is added to comply with new Section 4.4.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: This is covered in 4.4, which applies to the entire
document.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________
58-234 Log #208 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.3.1 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Change and renumber to separate text from titles
11.3.1* Container Design
11.3.1.1 Containers shall be designed, fabricated, tested, and marked in
accordance with the regulations of the U.S. Department of Transportation
(DOT); or the “Rules for Construction of Unfired Pressure Vessels,”
Section VIII, Division I of the ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code,
for aboveground service applicable at the date of manufacture. or shall be
approved,
11.3.1.1 11.3.1.2 Adherence to applicable ASME Code Case Interpretations
and Addenda shall be considered as compliance with the ASME Code.
(Renumber remaining paragraphs in 11.3.1)
Substantiation: Separating the title and renumbering has been explained
before. The phrase “or shall be approved” was not in this section in the 2001
Edition and is new material.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-235 Log #209 Final Action: Accept
( 11.3.1.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
11.3.1.4 Cylinders shall be requalified in accordance with DOT regulations.
The owner of the cylinder shall be responsible for such requalification. (See
Annex C.)
Insert new 11.3.1.5 that is removed from 11.3.7 as it belongs in this location.
Renumber paragraphs that follow in both locations.
11.3.1.5 Engine fuel containers shall be of either the the permanently
installed or exchangeable type.
Substantiation: The second sentence in 11.3.1.4 does not belong here and is
misleading. New paragraph 11.3.1.5 belongs in this section.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-236 Log #210 Final Action: Reject
( 11.3.2 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Separate text from title
11.3.2 Container Design Pressure.
ASME engine fuel and mobile containers shall have the following minimum
design pressure:
(A) (1) 250 psig (1.7 MPag) or 312.5 psig (2.2 MPag) where required if
constructed prior to April 1, 2001
(B) (2) 312 psig (2.2 MPag) if constructed on or after April 1, 2001
(C) ASME containers installed in enclosed spaces on vehicles and all
engine fuel containers for industrial trucks, buses (including school buses),
recreational vehicles, and multipurpose passenger vehicles shall be constructed
with a design pressure of at least 312.5 psi.
Substantiation: All ASME engine fuel and mobile containers require a
design pressure of 312.5 psig no matter what the application is; therefore, we
should delete(C) above.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The requirement is needed to cover re-installation of
existing containers.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-237 Log #241 Final Action: Hold
( 11-3.2, 11.3.3.1, 11.3.3.3, 11.3.4.2(D), 11.4.1.1, 11.5.1, 11.5.2.3, 11.5.2.4,
11.6.2.3 [8-2.2.1(e), 8.2.2.1 (f), 8.2.2.1(g), 8.2.2.3(4), 8.2.3(a), 8.2.4.1,
8.2.4.2(b), 8.2.4.2(c) 8.2.5.4(b), 8.2.5.5(a) 2, 8.2.6.7 Old] )
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Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 11.3.2 - change “minimum design pressure” to “MAWP”
11.3.2(c): Change “design pressure” to “MAWP”
11.3.3.1 - Repairs shall be to the NBIC (National Board Inspection Code)
11.3.3.3 - Containers showing denting, bulging, gouging or excessive
corrosive shall be inspected and repaired, if necessary, to the NBIC code
before returning to service.
11.3.4.2(d) change “design pressure” to “MAWP”
add “Minimum Design Metal Temperature___(°f at MAWP ____psi”
add type of construction “W”
add degree of radiography “RT-_”
11.4.1.1-remove “working” in first line and second lines
11.5.1 - remove “working” in first and second lines.
change “design pressure” to “pressure rating”
11.5.2.3 - remove design and add pressure “rating”
line 4: change “where” to “when” and remove “design pressure” and change
to “pressure rating” 2 places
11.6.2.4 - change “design pressureʼ to “pressure rating”
11.5.2.3 - change “working pressure” to “pressure rating” remove “design
pressure” and add “MAWP”
11.6.2.4- change “working pressure” to “pressure reacting”
11.6.3.3- change “operating pressure” to “pressure rating”
11.6.3.5 - change: Hose assemblies after the application of the connections,
shall be capable of withstanding a pressure of not less than 700 psig (4.8
Mpag). If a test is performed, such assemblies shall be leak tested at pressures
between the operating and 120 percent of the pressure rating [350 psig](2.4
Mpag) on the hose.
11.7.4.2 - change “(g)” to “(f)”
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Hold
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Committee Statement: The comment contains new material that will require
additional review.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-238 Log #211 Final Action: Accept in Principle in Part
( 11.3.3.2 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
11.3.3.2 Field welding on containers shall be limited to attachments to
nonpressure parts, such as the following saddle pads, wear plates, lugs, and
brackets installed by the container manufacturer.
(A) Saddle pads
(B) Wear plates
(C) Lugs
(D) Brackets installed by the container manufacturer
11.3.3.3 Containers showing excessive denting, bulging, gouging, or
excessive corrosion exceeding limits established by the code of manufacture
shall be removed from service.
Substantiation: Correction to 11.3.3.2 says the same thing and is just as
easy to read and saves about an inch of vertical space. Paragraph 11.3.3.3 is
revised to make it the same as 5.2.1.11. There are many redundant paragraphs
in Chapter 11 by design.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle in Part
1. Revise 11.3.3.2 by substituting “nonpressure containing” for “nonpressure”
2. Revise 11.3.3.3 by deleting “excessive”.
Committee Statement: The commenter is correct that this paragraph and
5.2.1.11 were identical in previous editions and should remain so. The
committee will review the matter in the next edition. Reference to the code of
manufacture is not accepted as the committee is advised that the ASME code
does not contain limits of denting, bulging, gouging and corrosion.
Number Eligible to Vote: 31
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
Vote Not Returned: 4 KASTANAS, REZA, ZEPP, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
GILBERT: I have studied the task force recommendations of the comments
submitted for re-ballot and I agree with the task force recommendations on all
items except item #18.
2. Revise 11.3.3.3 by deleting “excessive”.
Comment: I realize that the word “excessive” is a subjective term that
will not be eveny applied by everyone. but including this term is indicative
that we are willing to accept an allowable amount of denting, gouging and
corrosion. I do not want to be placed in a situation where we will not allow
any amount of denting, gouging or corrosion (Iʼll agree to a prohibition of any
bulging).
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58-239 Log #212 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.3.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Separate the text from the title and renumber.
11.3.4 ASME Container Nameplate.
11.3.4.1 A stainless steel metal nameplate shall be attached to the ASME
container and shall be located to remain visible after the container is installed.
11.3.4.1 11.3.4.2 The nameplate shall be attached in such a way as to
minimize corrosion of the nameplate or its fastening means and not cause
corrosion of the container.
11.3.4.2 11.3.4.3 The nameplate shall include the following information:
(A) (1) Service for which the container is designed
(L) (12) ASME Code symbol
Substantiation: Renumbering to comply with the Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer this comment to the NFPA Editorial
Department for compliance with the Manual fo Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 25 Negative: 1 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanation of Negative:
STERNOLA: The reason for this comment was to add clarity to the
Preprint version of 11.3.3.2 and to correct 11.3.3.3 so that it uses the same
language as 5.2.1.1. The items listed in series in the recommended version are
all installed by the manufacturer and it so states. The recommended change
in the Preprint version lists the items vertically which takes up valuable space
with no increase in clarity. In fact, it is less clear as the phrase “installed by
the manufacturer” as written in the Preprint only applies to the brackets which
is inaccurate as it applies to all of the items; therefore, it should be changed.
There is a “typo” in 11.3.3.3. The phrase “exceeding limits established by the
code of manufacture” was deleted earlier in 5.2.1.1; therefore, it should have
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been deleted in this comment rather than added. It should read as follows:
“11.3.3.3 Containers showing excessive denting, bulging, or excessive
corrosion shall be removed from service.” The Committee should reverse
its action and approve the revised version of the comment as it does improve
clarity in 11.3.3.2 and corrects 11.3.3.3.
Explanation of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-240 Log #213 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.3.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
11.3.4 11.3.5 Container Capacity.
11.3.4.1 11.3.5.1 The maximum capacity of individual LP-Gas containers
installed on highway vehicles shall be in accordance with Table 6.22.3.1
11.3.4.2 11.3.5.2 Containers larger than 30 gallons (0.1m3) water capacity
shall be equipped for filling into the vapor space.
11.3.5 11.3.6 Container Connections.
11.3.5.1 11.3.6.1 The connections for pressure relief valves shall
communicate directly with the vapor
(Renumber remaining paragraphs in 11.3.5)
Substantiation: Mistake in ROP.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-241 Log #214 Final Action: Accept
( 11.3.7 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Delete the following text:
11.3.7 Engine fuel containers shall be of either the permanently installed or
exchangeable type.
Substantiation: This paragraph has moved to 11.3.1.5.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-242 Log #215 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
Separate text from title and renumber remaining paragraphs
11.4 Container Appurtenances.
11.4.1 General Requirements for Appurtenances.
11.4.1.1 Container appurtenances (such as valves and fittings) shall comply
with Section 5.3 and the following: 11.4.1.2 through 11.4.1.15.
11.4.1.1 11.4.1.2 Container appurtenances subject to working pressures in
excess of 125 psig (0.9 MPag) shall be rated for a working pressure of at least
250 psig (1.7 MPag).
11.4.1.2 11.4.1.3 Manual shutoff valves shall be designed to provide positive
closure under service conditions and shall be equipped with an internal excess-
flow check valve designed to close automatically at the rated flows of vapor or
liquid specified by the manufacturers.
11.4.1.3 11.4.1.4 Double backflow check valves shall comply with the
following:
(A) (1) Be of the spring-loaded type
(B) (2) Close when flow is either stopped or reversed
(C) (3) Be installed in the fill opening on the container for either remote or
direct filling.
(Renumber remaining paragraphs in 11.4.1).
Substantiation: Renumbered to comply with the Manual of Style and
separated title from text and numbered first paragraph.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
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Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-243 Log #216 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.4.1.4 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
11.4.1.4 Containers shall be fabricated so they can be equipped with a fixed
maximum liquid level gauge as follows:
(A) (1) The fixed maximum liquid level gauge shall be capable of indicating
the maximum permitted filling level in accordance with 7.4.2.2.
(B)(2) Fixed maximum liquid level gauges in the container shall be designed
so the bleeder valve maximum opening to the atmosphere is not larger than a
No. 54 drill size.
(C) (3) The container fixed maximum liquid level gauge opening and the
remote bleeder valve opening shall not be larger than a No. 54 drill size where
the bleeder valve is installed at a location remote from the container.
Substantiation: Renumbered to comply with the Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-244 Log #217 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.4.1.5 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
11.4.1.5 ASME containers shall be equipped with full internal or flush-type
full internal pressure relief valves conforming with applicable requirements of
UL 132, Standard on Safety Relief Valves for Anhydrous Ammonia and LP-
Gas, or other equivalent pressure relief valve standards, and the following: in
accordance with 11.4.1.5 (A) and (B).
(A) Fusible plugs shall not be used.
(B) The start-to-leak setting of such pressure relief valve, with relation to the
design pressure of the container, shall be in accordance with Table 5.3.3.4
Substantiation: Revised to comply with the Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-245 Log #218 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.4.1.7 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
11.4.1.7 Pressure relief valves shall be marked with the following:
(A) (1) The pressure in psig (MPag) at which the valve is set to start to leak
(B) (2) The rated relieving capacity in cubic feet per minute of air at 60°F
(15.6°C) and 14.7 psia (an absolute pressure of 0.1 MPa)
(C) (3) The manufacturerʼs name and catalog number.
Substantiation: Revised to comply with the Manual of Style for the
umpteenth time. This pretty basic. If the sentence ends with the phrase “with
the following:” with the colon, it is treated as a list by the NFPA editorial
system and the divisions must be numbered with Parenthetical numbers.
Whoever did this chapter did not understand it.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-246 Log #219 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.5.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Separate the text from the title and renumber.
11.5.3 Fuel Shutoff Valve.
11.5.3.1 An automatic shutoff valve shall be provided in the fuel system as
close as practical to the inlet of the gas regulator.
11.5.3.1 11.5.3.2 The valve shall prevent flow of fuel to the carburetor when
the engine is not running even if the ignition switch is in the on position.
11.5.3.2 11.5.3.3 Atmospheric-type regulators (zero governors) shall not be
considered as automatic shutoff valves for this purpose.
Substantiation: Same as before.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-247 Log #220 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.6.2 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Separate text from title and renumber.
11.6.2 Fittings.
11.6.2.1 Fittings shall be steel, brass, copper, malleable iron, or ductile iron.
11.6.2.1 11.6.2.2 Pipe joints in wrought iron, steel, brass, or copper pipe shall
be screwed, welded, or brazed.
11.6.2.2 11.6.2.3 Tubing joints in steel, brass, or copper tubing shall be
flared, brazed, or made up with approved gas tubing fittings.
11.6.2.3 11.6.2.4 Fittings used with liquid LP-Gas or with vapor LP-Gas
at operating pressures over 125 psig (0.9 MPag) shall be designed for a
working pressure of at least 250 psig (1.7 MPag) or the design pressure of the
container, whichever is greater.
11.6.2.4 11.6.2.5 Fittings for use with vapor LP-Gas at pressures in excess of
5 psig (34.5 kPag) and not in excess of 125 psig (0.9 MPag) shall be designed
for a working pressure of 125 psig (0.9 MPag).
11.6.2.5 11.6.2.6 Brazing filler material shall have a melting point exceeding
1000°F (538°C)
Substantiation: Separated the title and renumbered. In case anyone is
wondering, if you place the text of a requirement next to a subsection title and
it is unnumbered and there is more than one division in the subsection, you
cannot specifically refer to the requirement. If you refer to the subsection, you
are referring to the whole subsection.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff
for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-248 Log #221 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.6.3 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
11.6.3 Hose, hose connections Hose Connections, and flexible connectors
Flexible Connectors
Substantiation: Titles must be capitalized.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer to the editorial staff for compliance with the
NFPA Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-249 Log #222 Final Action: Accept in Principle _______________________________________________________________
( 11.7 ) 58-252 Log #224 Final Action: Accept in Principle
_______________________________________________________________ ( 11.7.3.5 )
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA _______________________________________________________________
Comment on Proposal No:58-1 Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Recommendation: Separate the text from the title and renumber. Comment on Proposal No:58-1
11.7 Installation of Containers and Container Appurtenances. Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
11.7.1 Location of Containers. 11.7.3.5 Containers installed between axles shall comply with 11.7.3.6
11.7.1.1 Containers shall be located to minimize the possibility of damage to or shall be not lower than the lowest point forward of the container on the
the container and its fittings. following points:
11.7.1.1 11.7.1.2 Where containers are located in the rear of the vehicle, they (A) (1) The lowest structural component of the body as illustrated in Figure
shall be protected. 11.7.3.4.
11.7.1. 2 11.7.1.3 Containers located less than 18 in. (460 mm) from the (B) (2) The lowest structural component of the frame or subframe
exhaust system, transmission, or a heat producing component of the internal (C) (3) The lowest point on the engine
combustion engine shall be shielded by a vehicle frame member or by a (D) (4) The lowest point of the transmission (including the clutch housing or
noncombustible baffle with an air space on both sides of the frame member or torque converter housing, as applicable)
baffle. Substantiation: The above is a list.
11.7.1.3 11.7.1.4 After a container is permanently installed on a vehicle, Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
container markings shall be readable either directly or with a portable lamp Committee Statement: Refer this comment to the NFPA Editorial
and mirror. Department for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Substantiation: Same as before. Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
for compliance with the Manual of Style. Explanatin of Abstention:
Number Eligible to Vote: 30 STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention: _______________________________________________________________
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76). 58-253 Log #225 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.7.3.6 )
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_______________________________________________________________ Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
58-250 Log #223 Final Action: Accept in Principle Comment on Proposal No:58-1
( 11.7.2.2 ) Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
_______________________________________________________________ 11.7.3.6 Containers installed behind the rear axle and extending below the
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA frame shall comply with 11.7.3.9 11.7.3.7 or shall be not lower than the
Comment on Proposal No:58-1 lowest of the following points and surfaces:
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows: 11.7.3.7 (1) Containers shall not be lower than the lowest point of a structural
11.7.2.2 Protection of container valves, appurtenances, and connections shall component of the body, engine, transmission (including clutch housing or
be provided as follows: torque converter housing, as applicable), forward of the container.
(A)(1) By locating the container so that parts of the vehicle furnish the 11.7.3.8 (2) Containers shall not be lower than lines extending rearward from
necessary protection, or each wheel at the point where the wheels contact the ground directly below
(B) (2) By the use of a fitting guard furnished by the manufacturer of the the center of the axle to the lowest and most rearward structural interference
container or as illustrated in the bottom diagram of Figure 11.7.3.4.
(C) (3) By other means to provide equivalent protection. 11.7.3.9 11.7.3.7 Where an LP-Gas container is substituted for the fuel
Substantiation: The above is a list. container installed by the original manufacturer of the vehicle, the LP-Gas
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle container either shall fit within the space in which the original fuel container
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff was installed or shall comply with 11.7.3.5 or 11.7.3.6.
for compliance with the Manual of Style. Substantiation: Paragraphs 11.7.3.7 and 11.7.3.8 are part of 11.7.3.6 and
Number Eligible to Vote: 30 become part of a list and everything is renumbered.
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1 Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD Committee Statement: Refer this comment to the NFPA Editorial
Explanatin of Abstention: Department for compliance with the Manual of Style.
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76). Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
_______________________________________________________________ Explanatin of Abstention:
58-251 Log #160 Final Action: Accept in Principle STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
( 11.7.3.5 )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA _______________________________________________________________
Comment on Proposal No:58-1 58-254 Log #226 Final Action: Accept in Principle
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows: ( 11.7.5 )
11.7.3.5 Containers installed between axles shall comply with 11.7.3.6 _______________________________________________________________
or shall be not lower than the lowest point forward of the container on the Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
following points: Comment on Proposal No:58-1
(A) (1) The lowest structural component of the body as illustrated in Figure Recommendation: Paragraph 11.7.4.4 takes up almost a half of a page and is
11.7.3.4. very important for the proper and safe installation of an engine fuel system as
(B) (2) The lowest structural component of the frame or subframe it covers the pressure relief valve discharge system. It should be a subsection
(C) (3) The lowest point on the engine and titled and renumbered as shown below
(D) (4) The lowest point of the transmission (including the clutch housing or 11.7.5 Pressure Relief Valve Discharge System
torque converter housing, as applicable) 11.7.4.4 11.7.5.1 The pressure relief valve discharge from fuel containers on
Substantiation: The above is a list. vehicles other than industrial (and forklift) trucks shall be in accordance with
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle the following:
Committee Statement: The comment is referred to the NFPA editorial staff (1) It shall be directed upward or downward within 45 degrees of vertical.
for compliance with the Manual of Style. (2) It shall not directly impinge on the vehicle fuel container(s), the exhaust
Number Eligible to Vote: 30 system, or any other part of the vehicle.
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1 (3) It shall not be directed into the interior of the vehicle.
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD 11.7.4.5 11.7.5.2 Where the pressure relief valve discharge must be piped
Explanatin of Abstention: away, the pipeaway system shall require a breakaway adapter recommended
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76). by the pressure relief valve manufacturer and the system shall comply with
11.7.5.2 (A) through (H). meet the following requirements:
(A) The breakaway adapter shall have a melting point of not less than
1500°F (816°C).
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(B) The adapter either shall be an integral part of the pressure relief valve or
shall be a separate adapter attached directly to the pressure relief valve.
(B) (C) The pipeaway system shall have a length of nonmetallic hose.
(D) The nonmetallic hose shall be as short as practical and shall be able
to withstand the downstream pressure from the relief valve in the full open
position and the hose shall be fabricated of materials resistant to the action of
LP-Gas.
(E) Where hose is used to pipe away the relief valve discharge on containers
installed on the outside of the vehicle, the breakaway adapter and any attached
fitting shall deflect the relief valve discharge upward or downward within 45
degrees of vertical and shall meet the other requirements of 11.6.5 without the
hose attached. If an additional fitting is necessary to meet this requirement, it
shall have a melting point not less than 1500°F (816°C) .
(C) (F) The pipeaway system shall have a protective cover to minimize the
possibility of the entrance of water or dirt into either the relief valve or its
discharge system.
(D) (G) No portion of the system shall have an internal diameter less than the
internal diameter of the recommended breakaway adapter.
(E) (H) The breakaway adapter either shall be threaded for direct connection
to the relief valve and shall not interfere with the operation of the relief valve,
or shall be an integral part of the pressure relief valve. It shall break away
without impairing the function of the relief valve.
(F) The breakaway adapter shall have a melting point of not less than 1500°F
(816°C).
(G) The nonmetallic hose shall be as short as practical and shall be able
to withstand the downstream pressure from the relief valve in the full open
position. The hose shall be fabricated of materials resistant to the action of
LP-Gas.
(H) Where hose is used to pipe away the relief valve discharge on containers
installed on the outside of the vehicle, the breakaway adapter and any attached
fitting shall deflect the relief valve discharge upward or downward within 45
degrees of vertical and shall meet the other requirements of 11.7.4.4 without
the hose attached. If an additional fitting is necessary to meet this requirement,
it shall have a melting point not less than 1500°F (816°C) .
11.7.4.6 (I) The pipeaway system connections shall be mechanically secured
and shall not depend on adhesives or sealing compounds and
shall not be routed between a bumper system and the vehicle body.
11.7.4.7 (J) Where a pipeaway system is not required, the pressure relief
valve shall have a protective cover in accordance with 11.7.4.5. 11.7.5.2.
Substantiation: Paragraph 11.7.5.2 was revised for clarity and old paragraphs
(G) and (H) were more appropriately inserted after (C) and the last two
paragraphs were made (I) and (J).
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Paragraph 11.7.4.4 takes up almost a half of a page and is very important
for the proper and safe installation of an engine fuel system as it covers the
pressure relief valve discharge system. It should be a subsection and titled and
renumbered as shown below
11.7.5 Pressure Relief Valve Discharge System
11.7.4.4 11.7.5.1 The pressure relief valve discharge from fuel containers on
vehicles other than industrial (and forklift) trucks shall be in accordance with
the following:
(1) It shall be directed upward or downward within 45 degrees of vertical.
(2) It shall not directly impinge on the vehicle fuel container(s), the exhaust
system, or any other part of the vehicle.
(3) It shall not be directed into the interior of the vehicle.
11.7.4.5 11.7.5.2 Where the pressure relief valve discharge is piped away,
the pipeaway system shall have a breakaway adapter. meet the following
requirements:
(A) The breakaway adapter shall have a melting point of not less than
1500°F (816°C).
(B) The adapter either shall be an integral part of the pressure relief valve or
shall be a separate adapter attached directly to the pressure relief valve.
(B) (C) The pipeaway system shall have a length of nonmetallic hose.
(D) The nonmetallic hose shall be as short as practical and shall be able
to withstand the downstream pressure from the relief valve in the full open
position and the hose shall be fabricated of materials resistant to the action of
LP-Gas.
(E) Where hose is used to pipe away the relief valve discharge on containers
installed on the outside of the vehicle, the breakaway adapter and any attached
fitting shall deflect the relief valve discharge upward or downward within 45
degrees of vertical and shall meet the other requirements of 11.6.5 without the
hose attached. If an additional fitting is necessary to meet this requirement, it
shall have a melting point not less than 1500°F (816°C) .
(C) (F) The pipeaway system shall have a protective cover to minimize the
possibility of the entrance of water or dirt into either the relief valve or its
discharge system.
(D) (G) No portion of the system shall have an internal diameter less than the
internal diameter of the recommended breakaway adapter.
(E) (H) The breakaway adapter either shall be threaded for direct connection
to the relief valve and shall not interfere with the operation of the relief valve,
or shall be an integral part of the pressure relief valve. It shall break away
without impairing the function of the relief valve.
(F) The breakaway adapter shall have a melting point of not less than 1500°F
(816°C).
(G) The nonmetallic hose shall be as short as practical and shall be able
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to withstand the downstream pressure from the relief valve in the full open
position. The hose shall be fabricated of materials resistant to the action of
LP-Gas.
(H) Where hose is used to pipe away the relief valve discharge on containers
installed on the outside of the vehicle, the breakaway adapter and any attached
fitting shall deflect the relief valve discharge upward or downward within 45
degrees of vertical and shall meet the other requirements of 11.7.4.4 without
the hose attached. If an additional fitting is necessary to meet this requirement,
it shall have a melting point not less than 1500°F (816°C) .
11.7.4.6 (I) The pipeaway system connections shall be mechanically secured
and shall not depend on adhesives or sealing compounds and
shall not be routed between a bumper system and the vehicle body.
11.7.4.7 (J) Where a pipeaway system is not required, the pressure relief
valve shall have a protective cover in accordance with 11.7.4.5. 11.7.5.2.
Committee Statement: Accepted with an editorial revision
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-255 Log #227 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.8 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
11.8 Installation in the Interior of Vehicles.
11.8.1 Installation of Containers and Appurtenances.
11.8.1.1 Installation of Containers in the interior of vehicles shall comply
with either 11.8.1.2 or 11.8.1.3
11.8.1.2* The container, including and its appurtenances, shall be located as
follows: installed in an enclosure that is securely mounted to the vehicle and
shall comply with the following:
(A) By installing the container and its appurtenances In an enclosure that is
securely mounted to the vehicle, and
(B) (A) By installing the container and its appurtenances in a The enclosure
shall be gastight enclosure with respect to driver or passenger compartments
and to any space containing radio transmitters or other spark-producing
equipment, and
(C) (B) By venting the container The enclosure shall be vented to the outside
of the vehicle
11.8.1.3 The Container container appurtenances and their connections shall
be located as follows: installed in an enclosure that is securely mounted on
the container and complies with the following:
(A) By installing the appurtenances and their connections in a structure that is
securely mounted on the container, and
B) By installing the (1) The appurtenances and their connections in a
gastight shall be installed in an enclosure that is gastight with respect to
the driver or passenger compartments or with any space carrying radio
transmitters or other spark-producing equipment, and
(C) By venting the appurtenances to outside the vehicle
(2) The enclosure shall be vented to the outside of the vehicle
11.8.1.4 Fuel containers shall be installed and fitted so that no gas from
fueling and gauging operations can be released inside of the passenger or
luggage compartments by permanently installing a remote filling device
(single or double backflow check filler valve) and a fixed maximum liquid
level gauging device to the outside of the vehicle.
11.8.2 Enclosures. 11.8.1.5 Enclosures, structures, seals, and conduits used to
vent enclosures shall be designed and fabricated of durable materials and shall
be designed to resist damage, blockage, or dislodgement through movement
of articles carried in the vehicle or by the closing of luggage compartment
enclosures or vehicle doors and shall require the use of tools for removal.
Substantiation: This section has been revised to insure clarity of the
requirements and comply with the Manual of Style.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer this comment to the NFPA Editorial
Department for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-256 Log #228 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.9 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
11.9 Pipe and Hose Installation.
11.9.1 Supports General Requirements
11.9.1.1 The piping system shall be designed, installed, supported, and
secured in such a manner to minimize damage due to expansion, contraction,
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vibration, strains, and wear.
11.9.2 Location.
11.9.2.1 11.9.1.2 Piping (including hose) shall be installed in a protected
location.
11.9.2.2 11.9.1.3 If piping is installed outside the vehicle, it shall be under
the vehicle and below any insulation or false bottom.
11.9.2.3 11.9.1.4 Fastening or other protection shall be installed to prevent
damage due to vibration or abrasion.
11.9.2.4 11.9.1.5 At each point where piping passes through sheet metal
or a structural member, a rubber grommet or equivalent protection shall be
installed to prevent chafing.
11.9.2.5 11.9.1.6 Fuel line piping that must pass through the floor of a
vehicle shall be installed to enter the vehicle through the floor directly beneath
or adjacent to the container.
11.9.2.6 11.9.1.7 If a branch fuel line is required, the tee connection shall be
in the main fuel line under the floor and outside the vehicle.
11.9.2.7 11.9.1.8 Where liquid service lines of two or more individual
containers are connected together, a spring-loaded backflow check valve
or equivalent shall be installed in each of the liquid lines prior to the point
where the liquid lines tee together to prevent the transfer of LP-Gas from one
container to another.
11.9.2.8 11.9.1.9 Exposed parts of the piping system shall be of corrosion-
resistant material or shall be protected to minimize exterior corrosion.
11.9.2.9 11.9.1.10 Piping systems, including hose, shall be tested and proven
free of leaks at not less than normal operating pressure.
11.9.2.10 11.9.1.11 There shall be no fuel connection between a tractor and
trailer or other vehicle units.
11.9.3 11.9.2 Hydrostatic Relief Valves. Valves
11.9.3.1 11.9.2.1 A hydrostatic relief valve or device providing pressure-
relieving protection shall be installed in each section of piping (including
hose) in which liquid LP-Gas can be isolated between shutoff valves so as to
relieve to the atmosphere.
11.9.3.2 11.9.2.2 Hydrostatic relief valves shall have a pressure setting not
less than 400 psig (2.8 MPag) or more than 500 psig (3.5 MPag).
Substantiation: Renumbered to comply with the Manual of Style and our
standard format.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer this comment to the NFPA Editorial
Department for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-257 Log #229 Final Action: Accept in Principle
( 11.10 )
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Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
11.10 Equipment Installation.
11.10.1 Protection Against Damage.
11.10.1.1 Equipment installed on vehicles shall be protected against vehicular
damage in accordance with 11.7.1.
11.10.1.2 The gas regulator and the automatic shutoff valve shall be installed
as follows:
(A) (1) An approved automatic shutoff valve in compliance with 8.2.4.3
11.5.3 shall be installed in the fuel system.
(2) An approved automatic pressure reducing equipment, properly secured,
shall be installed between the fuel supply container and the carburetor.
Substantiation: Added “approved to (1) and (2).
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle
Committee Statement: Refer this comment to the NFPA Editorial
Department for compliance with the Manual of Style.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Abstain: 1
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Explanatin of Abstention:
STANNARD: See my comment on 58-66 (Log #76).
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58-258 Log #27 Final Action: Accept
( 11-14 [8-6 Old] )
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Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-106
Recommendation: Make no revisions to the text.
Substantiation: In response to the request of the NFPA Technical Committee
on LP-Gas regarding the action taken on Proposal 58-106, the National
Propane Gas Association offers the following for the consideration of the
committee.
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The current requirements of NFPA 58, and revisions already in progress
for the 2004 edition of NFPA 58, do provide protection for propane fuel
containers used on vehicles, including school buses.
The committee made a revision to 8.2.3 (g) (Proposal 58-103) to enhance the
integrity of all propane engine fuel systems. This change will require a valve
in the liquid outlet connection of a propane engine fuel container, which is
actuated both manually and automatically when the engine is not in operating
mode, independent of the ignition switch position.
This new requirement is in addition to the requirement for an excess flow
valve in the liquid outlet of the vehicular propane container. In implementing
this additional requirement the committee recognized that excess flow valves
could not be relied upon to stop flow in all accident conditions.
It must be noted that a propane engine fuel container is an ASME pressure
vessel that provides a significantly greater level of protection than the tanks
used for liquid fuels on vehicles (including school buses). ASME containers
in propane service are required to have a design pressure of 250 psi. ASME
containers in propane service as vehicular fuel containers are required to
have a design pressure of 312 psi, a 25% increase in working pressure with
a corresponding increase in shell thickness. The ASME code requires a
design margin of 3.5, providing additional container thickness. In addition,
the cylindrical shape of an ASME propane engine fuel container provides
additional ability to withstand damage.
Liquid fuel containers are thin wall vessels designed to contain the liquid
only. Where installed on vehicles, they require protection not needed for
propane containers. In contrast, as noted above, propane containers used on
school buses for engine fuel applications have significant crash-worthiness due
to their design characteristics.
There have been crash tests of propane fueled vehicles that have confirmed
an adequate level of protection exists in the case of an accident. A series of
propane fueled bus tests was conducted by the Netherlands Organization for
Applied Technical Research (TNO). A report issued in 1983 described four
city bus crash tests that resulted in only one instance of a minor leak. It is
noted that the leak was in the liquid outlet valve, which is addressed in the
revision made to the 2004 edition of NFPA 58. In addition, TNO conducted
tests involving propane fueled automobiles, showing only minor leakage
following head-on and rear end crashes at 50 – 60 km/hr (31 – 37 mph).
While these tests were conducted under conditions not as serious as the school
bus incident investigated by NTSB, they do show a high level of safety in
vehicle propane fuel container installations.
Drop tests have been conducted by the propane industry on engine fuel
tanks. In one series of tests, plastic gasoline tanks, steel gasoline tanks, and
steel propane tanks were filled to their maximum permitted filling level and
were dropped vertically from a height of 30 feet onto a steel plate mounted
on a concrete slab, with the tanks striking the plate at varying angles. Both
the plastic and steel gasoline tanks released their entire liquid contents upon
impact and the steel propane tanks retained their contents with no leakage.
The National Propane Gas Association will review any new information that
becomes available on the subject.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-259 Log #242 Final Action: Accept in Principle in Part
( 12-2.2 [9-1.1.4, 9.1.2, 9.1.2.1 Old] )
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Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 12.2.2 - change “visible place” to “visibly placed”
change “minimum temperature” to “Minimum Design Metal Temperature
___(F at MAWP____psi”
add type of construction “w”
add the degree of radiography “RT-_”
12.1.2.1 - needs additional review
12.1.2.3 - needs additional review
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle in Part
Revise 12.2.2 to read:
12.2.2 The nameplate shall be in an accessible, visible place and shall be
marked in accordance with API 620.
Committee Statement: Pararagraph 12.2.2 is revised to accept the concerns
of the commentor.
The term “minimum temperature” has been deleted in the preprint. The other
proposed revisions to 12.2.2 are not editorial. The commentor provides no
indication of any problems with 12.1.2.1 and 12.1.2.3 that require review.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-260 Log #243 Final Action: Reject
( 12-2.6, 12.6.4 [9-4.1, 9.4.3 Old] )
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Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: 12.2.6 - needs additional review
12.6.4 - needs additional review
Exception: change “welding on” to “welding to”
Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The recommended reviews cannot be done without
a specific recommendation. The committee does not agree with the change to
the exception.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-261 Log #43 Final Action: Accept
( 12.8.2.2 [9.7.2.2 Old] )
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Submitter: James H. Stannard, Jr., Stannard & Company
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Delete Paragraph 12.8.2.2.
Substantiation: This requirement is redundant to 12.8.2.1 and it is
technically unsupportable.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-262 Log #52 Final Action: Accept
( 14.3.4.3 [11.2.3 Old] )
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Submitter: Scott A. Stookey, Phoenix Fire Department
Comment on Proposal No:58-135
Recommendation: Revise Sections 11.2.3 by adding a new section that reads
as follows:
11.2.3.3 Water-based automatic fire-extinguishing systems shall be
maintained in accordance with NFPA 25, Standard for the Inspection, Testing,
and Maintenance of Water-Based Fire Protection Systems. Portable fire
extinguishers shall be maintained in accordance with NFPA 10, Standard for
Portable Fire Extinguishers.
Substantiation: If a LP-Gas installation is provided with Special Protection,
and this protection is either a water spray system or deluge nozzles, then the
system should be maintained in accordance with NFPA 25. Where required
extinguishers are provided, they should be inspected and maintained in
accordance with NFPA 10.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Accept and separate the 2 sentences to 14.3.4.3 and 14.3.4.4
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-263 Log #1 Final Action: Reject
( Chapter 16 [Chapter 13 Old] )
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Submitter: John J. Sullivan, Blackmer
Comment on Proposal No:58-137
Recommendation: None given.
Substantiation: The proposal attempts to adopt practices and codes from
refineries and petrochemical plants which is not warranted. The depth and
breadth of the proposed material chapter required detailed analysis which has
been initiated by NPGA T&S committee. A proposal of this magnitude needs
such a technical review and debate of a T & S committee. I support the T & S
committees approach.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: The proposal does not make a specific proposal as
required by the NFPA Regulations Covering Committee Projects.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-264 Log #17 Final Action: Reject
( New Chapter 16 )
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Submitter: Jim Everitt, Western Regional Fire Code Dev. Committee
Comment on Proposal No:58-148
Recommendation: Reconsider the original proposal and accept.
XXXX. Private Fueling of Motor Vehicles. Self-service LP-gas dispensing
systems, including key, code and card lock dispensing systems, shall not be
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open to the public and shall be limited to the filling of permanently mounted
fuel containers on LP-gas powered vehicles. In addition to the requirements in
Section 5201.6, self-service LP-gas dispensing systems shall be in accordance
with the following:
1. The system shall be provided with an emergency shutoff switch located
within 75 ft (22,860 mm) of, but not less than 25 ft (7620 mm) from,
dispensers.
2. The owner of the dispensing facility shall ensure the safe operation of the
system and the training of users.
XXXX. Overfilling. Liquefied petroleum gas containers shall not be filled in
excess of the fixed outage installed by the manufacturer or the weight stamped
on the tank.
Substantiation: The proposed text is consistent with the requirements in
NFPA 30A and should be added.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
Committee Statement: Because of the different physical properties of
propane and gasoline, self-service fueling of propane vehicles is as safe
as self-fueling of gasoline fueled vehicles. The commentor provides no
justification that additional requirements are needed for propane self-service
fueling of vehicles.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
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58-265 Log #23 Final Action: Reject
( New Chapter 16 )
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Submitter: Richard A. Hoffmann, Hoffman & Feige
Comment on Proposal No:n/a
Recommendation: Add new chapter to read as follows:
1.0 METALS
1.1 Scope
This document addresses all applications of materials, joints and fasteners,
joining techniques and corrosion performance require-
ments for the application of those materials in a propane
facility covered by NFPA 58 that are not part of, or
included in, a vendor designed / manufactured compo-
nent recommended for use in LP service.
All pressure or product containing materials which are exclusive of the inclu-
sion above, are governed by the following requirements.
1. All metallic and non-metallic materials shall be listed in a
recognized code or materials specification. Examples are: ASME, ASTM, API,
DOT, ACS, UL, DIN, SAE, PPI, DNV etc.
2. Materials equivalent to 2.5.1.3(a)(1) through 2.5.1.3(a)(5) in
melting point, corrosion resistance, toughness and strength
3. All materials used, including valve seat discs, packing, seals,
gaskets, hoses and diaphragms, shall be resistant to the action of LP-Gas or
liquid under service conditions. They shall be suitable for the lowest service
temperature expected.
4. Plant design shall be governed by ASME B31.3, Propane shall
be considered a “Normal” fluid for this specification.
2.0 CRITERIA FOR SERVICE IN AN LP FACILITY
The selection of these materials must consider the following usage concerns:
1. Suitable for the lowest usage temperature as defined below:
a. The lowest temperature the material can experience because
of normal environmental (weather related) concerns.
b. The lowest metal temperature because of a process upset,
which could be -45oF.
If the usage environment is such that it precludes “b” from hap-
pening, then the lowest temperature as defined by “a” governs the
material selection process.
The term “temperature insensitive” applies to the temperatures listed
above. Application to temperatures below this require special atten-
tion by a competent expert.
1. Appropriateness for environmental service as defined below:
a. Is the material suitable for the intended service from a corrosion
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viewpoint or does it require a corrosion protection system?
b. Is the material subject to specific environmental cracking concerns that
require additional attention, such as stress corrosion cracking or environmental
induced cracking.
The following documents govern this area: NACE-RP-
0169-96, SSPC-Paint-COM - March 24, 2000,
NFPA 58
3.2.15.2 Metallic piping shall comply with the following:
(a) Piping used at pressures higher than container pressure, such as on the
discharge side of liquid transfer pumps, shall be suitable for a working pressure
of at least 350 psi (2.4 MPa).
(b) Vapor LP-Gas piping with operating pressures in excess of 125 psig
(0.9 MPag) and liquid piping not covered by 3.2.15.2(a) shall be suitable for a
working pressure of at least 250 psig (1.7 MPag).

3.2.24* Corrosion Protection.
All metallic equipment and components that are buried or mounded shall be
coated or protected and maintained to minimize corrosion. Corrosion protec-
tion of all other materials shall be in accordance with accepted engineering
practice.
(c) Vapor LP-Gas piping subject to pressures of not more than 125 psig (0.9
MPag) shall be suitable for a working pressure of at least 125 psig (0.9 Mpag)
Exception: Safety relief discharge piping (see 3.2.11.3).

2.4.5.4 Emergency shutoff valves shall be approved and shall incorporate all
of the following means of closing:
3.0 DESIGN GUIDELINES FOR METALLIC (1) Automatic shutoff through thermal (fire) actuation. Where fusible ele-
MATERIALS ments are used, they shall have a melting point not
exceeding 250°F (121°C).
The following is a compilation of design guidelines that were distributed
throughout NFPA 58. Where possible, I have combined them and developed an (2) Manual shutoff from a remote location.
updated comment. Where two or more conflicting comments were found, they
are all listed. (3) Manual shutoff at the installed location.

2.4.7 Hydrostatic Relief Valves. Hydrostatic relief valves designed to relieve

Table 3.2.15.3(a) Types of Metallic Pipe Joints in LP-Gas Service the hydrostatic pressure that might develop in sections of liquid piping between
Service Schedule 40 Schedule 80 closed shutoff valves shall have pressure settings not less than 400 psig (2.8
Liquid Welded (Note 1) Threaded or welded MPag) or more than 500 psig (3.5 MPag) unless installed in systems designed
Vapor, <125 psig (<0.9 Threaded or Threaded or welded
MPag) welded to operate above 350 psig (2.4 MPag). Hydrostatic relief valves for use in
Vapor, >125 psig (>0.9 Welded Threaded or welded systems designed to operate above 350 psig (2.4 MPag) shall have settings not
MPag) less than 110 percent or more than 125 percent of the system design pressure.
Note 1.For Vehicle use, the minimum wall thickness for Liquid piping is
Schedule 80. 3.2.15.5 Piping in systems shall be run as directly as is practical from one
point to another, with as few fittings as practical.

(b) Fittings and flanges shall be designed for a working pressure equal to or
greater than the required working pressure of the service for which they are
used.
3.4.10.2 (a) Liquid piping shall not exceed 3/4 in. and shall comply with
3.2.13 and 3.2.15.
Copper tubing with a maximum outside diameter of 3/4 in. shall be used where
approved by the authority having jurisdiction. Liquid piping in buildings shall
be kept to a minimum length and shall be protected against construction haz-
ards by the following methods:
Exception No. 3: Liquid piping systems in buildings or structures feed-
ing a vaporizer, other than those covered by 3.2.13(c)
Exception Nos. 1 and 2, where heavy walled seamless
brass or copper tubing not exceeding 3/32-in. (2.4-mm)
internal diameter and with a wall thickness not less than
3/64 in. (1.2 mm) is used.
Section 3.8 Steel tubing in vehicular usage shall have a minimum
wall thickness of 0.049 in. (1.2 mm).
Piping Design Pressure
(a) Outdoor LP-Gas liquid or vapor metallic piping systems shall have no
pressure limitations.
Pipe fitting shall have a minimum pressure rating as specified in Table 2.4.4.1
and shall comply with the following:
(a) Cast-iron pipe fittings shall not be used.
(b) Cast iron shall not be used as a material of construction for strainers or
flow indicators.
Where condensation of vapor can occur, piping shall be sloped back to the con-
tainer or means shall be provided for revaporizing the condensate.
3.2.15.6 Piping systems including interconnecting of permanently installed
containers shall compensate for expansion, contraction, jarring and vibration,
and for settling. Using flexible connectors complying with 2.4.6 shall be per-
mitted. The use of nonmetallic pipe, tubing, or hose for permanently intercon-
necting such containers shall be prohibited.
3.2.15.10 LP-Gas piping shall not be used as a grounding electrode.
4.0 FERROUS MATERIALS
4.1 Temperature Sensitive Materials
This section addresses steels - wrought and cast, including irons and martens-
itic stainless steels which exhibit a loss in toughness and usable engineering
properties as the temperature is lowered.
Most steels in this group are subjected to a decrease in toughness as the
service temperature goes below -20oF. For usage below -200F, a reduction in
allowable material stress in required to preclude the need for impact testing of
these materials kin order to certify them for usage at these lower than -20oF
service temperatures.
All weld and braze joints for these materials are similarly subjected to these
lower temperature requirements. Structural steels are subjected to these require-
ments.
NEW- Additional Limitation for Carbon Steel Pipe
1. The wall thickness for propane piping (Carbon Steel material classifica-
tion Type P-1 with SMYS between 20 - 35 ksi) NPS 4 and smaller shall be
Schedule 40 pipe. (ED - This allows usage down to -55oF without any impact

Table 2.4.4.1 Minimum Pressure Rating of Pipe, Tubing Fittings, and Valves
Service Minimum Working Pressure
Higher than container pressure 350 psig (2.4 MPag), or the design pressure, whichever is higher, or
400 psig (2.8 MPag) WOG rating
LP-Gas liquid, or vapor at operating pressure over 125 psig and at 250 psig (1.7 MPag)
or below container pressure
LP-Gas vapor at operating pressure of 125 psig (0.9 MPag) or less 125 psig (0.9 MPag)

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testing and stress reduction testing. The application of welding or threading
does not affect the low temperature restrictions)

If thicker pipe (heavier pipe schedule), the system loses its flexibility and
requires stress reductions be employed as its service temperature goes below
-200F.

4.2 Temperature Insensitive Materials - Cast and Wrought, Ferrous and non-
Ferrous

This section addresses both wrought and cast ferrous alloys which are suitable
fur usage at temperatures down to -45oF and further, such as:
Specially processed carbon and low alloy steels,
Nickel Steels,
Austenitic, Ferritic and Duplex Stainless Steels
High nickel - iron alloys, such as Invar,
Aluminum and its alloys,
Coppers, copper nickels, brasses, bronzes, beryllium coppers,
Nickel and nickel alloys.

4.3 LISTING OF SUITABLE MATERIALS FOR LP SERVICE

- FERROUS

The present ferrous materials listed in NFPA 58 all have a lower allowable
temperature service limit of -200F.

The following tables address that limitation and greatly expand the allowable
materials for -20oF and below. The usage of ASTM A53 - Type F piping is
prohibited.

If ferrous piping is Classification P1 and has a SMYS range between 20 - 35

ksi and is 4-Inch NPS and less and is Schedule 40 or less, there is no usage
restriction down to -55oF. (RAH- Note - all steel piping presently listed in
NFPA 58 meets this requirement.)
Table 13.4.3.2. Ferrous Piping Materials
Specification Restrictions
Service Temperature Between –20o F and –50o F
The Stress Reduction Limitation Applies
ASTM-A53 - Standard Specification for Pipe, Steel, Black and Hot-Dipped, Types ERW and S, Grades A and B only. Type F pipe shall
Zinc-Coated, Welded and Seamless – not be used.
Grades A and B only. Lap and spiral welded pipe product shall
API 5L, Specification for Line Pipe – not be used.
ASTM-A106 – Standard Specification for Seamless Carbon Steel Pipe for
High-Temperature Service Grades A, B and C only.

For Service Applications to –50o F Without Limitations

ASTM-A333 - Standard Specification for Seamless and Welded Steel Pipe
for Low-Temperature Service All Grades
ASTM A312 - Standard Specification for Seamless and Welded Austenitic All alloys shall be purchased in the solution treated and water
Stainless Steel Pipes. quenched condition.
4.2 Ferrous Tubing

Table 13.
Ferrous (Carbon Steel and Stainless Steel) Tubing Materials
Material SPECIFICATION Service Temperature Limitations
ASTM-A539 - Standard Specification for Electric-Resistance
Welded Coiled Steel Tubing for Gas and Fuel oil Lines Usable to -20oF without limitations. Below -20oF, not listed.
ASTM - A334 - Standard Specification for Seamless-and Welded
Carbon ands Alloy-Steel Tubes for Low-Temperature Service Grades 1, 3, 6 and 7 are suitable to -50oF without limitations
The following Austenitic Stainless Steel Products have no lower temperature limit
ASTM-A269 - Standard Specification for Seamless and Welded All grades shall be used in the solution heat treated and water
Austenitic Stainless Steel Tubing for General Service. quenched condition.
ANSI/AGA LC1Corrugated stainless steel tubing.
Corrugated stainless steel piping systems shall be limited to vapor
service not exceeding 10 psi (34 kPa).

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4.3 Carbon Steel and Low Alloy Steel Fittings,

Forged and Cast

1. Gray iron castings shall not to be used except in non-

pressure application.

Table 13.4.3.3
List of Appropriate
Ferrous (Wrought and Cast) Steel and Stainless Steel Materials for
FITTINGS AND COMPONENTS
The Following Materials Are Suitable for Usage at
Temperatures Between –20oF and -50oF With Stress Reduction
These materials are all acceptable at temperatures above –20o F without restriction).
Material Limitations
Malleable iron shall not be used for piping components at gage pres-
ASTM A47 – Ferritic Malleable Iron Castings.. sures above 300 psi
ASTM-A105 - Standard Specification for Carbon Steel Forgings for
Piping Applications.
ASTM A181 - Forgings - Carbon Steel For General Purpose
ASTM-A-182 – Standard Specification for Forged or Rolled Alloy-
Steel Pipe Flanges, Forged Fittings, and Valves and Parts for High
Temperature Service. Must be Low Alloy steels Grouping
ASTM-A216 - Steel Castings - Carbon, Suitable for Fusion Welding
For High Temperature Service
ASTM-A234 - Standard Specification for Piping Fittings of Wrought
Carbon Steel and Alloy Steel for Moderate and High Temperature
Service.
ASTM-A350 – Standard Specification for Carbon and Low-Alloy
Steel Forgings, Requiring Notch Toughness Testing for Piping
Components, Grade LF1
ASTM A351 – Steel Castings For High Temperature Service
ASTM-A395 - Ferritic Ductile Iron For Pressure Retaining Castings . Ductile or Nodular iron castings shall not be used for piping compo-
for Use At Elevated Temperatures nents at gage pressures above 1000 psi.

Materials Usable at –50o F Without Limitation

ASTM-A352 - Steel Castings – Ferritic and Martensitic For Pressure
Containing Parts, Suitable For Low Temperature Service. Grades LCB and LC1 only
ASTM-A420 - Standard Specification for Piping Fittings of Wrought
Carbon Steel and Alloy Steel for Low-Temperature Service - Grade WPL-3, WPL-6 and WPL8.
ASTM-A350 – Standard Specification for Carbon and Low-Alloy
Steel Forgings, Requiring Notch Toughness Testing for Piping
Components, Grade LF2, LF3.
ASTM-A571 - Standard Specification for Austenitic Ductile
Iron Castings for Pressure-Containing Parts Suitable for Low-
Temperature Service.
ASTM-A-182 – Standard Specification for Forged or Rolled Alloy-
Steel Pipe Flanges, Forged Fittings, and Valves and Parts for High Austenitic Stainless Steel grouping only. All alloys shall be purchased
Temperature Service in the solution treated and water quenched condition.
ASTM-A351 - Standard Specification for Castings, Austenitic, All castings shall be purchased in a heat treated condition that mini-
Austenitic-Ferritic (Duplex), for Pressure-Containing Parts. mizes corrosion.

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4.4 Structural Steels

Structural steel shapes for service above –20o F shall be from the following list.

(a). ASTM-A36 - Standard Specification for Structural Steel

(b) ASTM-A513 - Standard Specification for Electric-Resistance-Welded

Carbon and Alloy Steel Mechanical Tubing = Minimum wall thickness
- 0.073-inch.

Structural steel shape for service between –20oF and –50oF, shall be subjected
to a stress reduction as discussed in the temperature - sensitive ferrous materials
portion of this chapter.

5.0 NON-FERROUS MATERIALS

5.1 Copper and Copper Alloys

There are no minimum temperature limitations for LP service for

the copper and copper alloys.

a. The Copper and Copper Alloy materials for piping and

tubing specifications are listed in Table 13.4.4.1 (a).

Table 13.4.4.1a
Copper and Copper Alloys Used for Tubing and Piping

Material Specification Recommended Alloy

ASTM-B42 – Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Pipe,
Standard Sizes.
ASTM-B302 - Standard Specification for Threadless Copper Pipe.
(Designed for Brazed Connections).
ASTM-B68 – Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Tube,
Bright Annealed.
ASTM-B88 – Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Water Tube
ASTM-B280 - Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Tube for
Air Conditioning and Refrigeration Field Service.
ASTM-B837 - Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Tube
for Natural Gas and Liquefied Petroleum (LP) Gas Fuel Distribution
Systems
ASTM-B43 – Standard Specification for Seamless Red Brass Pipe
- Standard Sizes
ASTM-B135 - Standard Specification for Seamless Brass Tube. Alloys
ASTM-B315 - Standard Specification for Seamless Copper Alloy Pipe
and Tube.
ASTM-B466 - Standard Specification for Seamless Copper-Nickel Pipe
and Tube..
ASTM-B467 - Standard Specification for Welded Copper-Nickel Pipe –
Alloys C10200, 12000 and 12200 only.
Alloys C10300, C10800, C12000 and C12200 allowed
Alloy C12200 allowed
Alloy C12200 allowed. Type K or Type L wall thickness
schedule only.
Lists Alloy C12200. Tubing shall be used in the annealed
condition.
Lists Alloy C12200. Tubing shall be used in the annealed
condition.
Alloy C23000 only. Annealed Temper Only. Threaded only.
Approved - C22000 (Commercial Bronze - 90 Cu, 10 Zn)
and C23000 (Red Brass - 85 Cu, 15Zn). Use in Annealed
Temper.
Alloys C61300, C61400, C63020, C65100 and C65500
allowed. Material shall be used in the annealed condition
only.
Alloys allowed are – C70600 and C71500. Material shall be
in the annealed temper
Alloys allowed are: C70600 and C71500. Material shall be
used in the annealed temper.

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b. The Copper and Copper Alloy materials for fittings and
components are listed in Table 13.4.4.1 (b)

Table 13.4.4.1 (b)

Copper and Copper Alloy Used For Fittings and Components

General Specification Governing Materials Specification

ANSI-B16.18 - Cast Copper Alloy Solder Joint Pressure Fittings
– This document lists the alloys in the right column (Note 1)
ASME/ANSI B16.22 - Wrought Copper and Copper Alloy Solder Joint
Pressure Fittings, This document lists the alloys in the right column -
(Note 1)
ASTM B-16 – This document lists the alloy in the right column
ASTM-B283 – Standard Specification for Copper and Copper Alloy Die
Forgings
ANSI/ASME B16.15, Cast Bronze Threaded Fittings This document
lists the alloys in the right column– (NOTE 1)
ASTM B140 - Standard Specification for Copper – Zinc – Lead (Leaded
Red Brass or Hardware Bronze) Rod, Bars and Shapes-
ASME B16.24 - Cast Copper Alloy Pipe Flanges, Flanged Fittings,
Class 150, 300, 400, 600, 900, 1500 and 2500. This document lists the
alloys in the right column – (Note 1).
Lists Alloy C83600 per ASTM B62 or Alloys C83800 or
C84400 per ASTM-B584. Fittings shall have same tempera-
ture and pressure ratings of seamless ASTM-B88 Type L copper
– annealed.
Lists Alloys C10200, C12000, C12200 or C23000 Only.
Alloy C3600 – This is free cutting brass – 60 Cu, 2.5 Pb, and 37
Zn. See Appendix Notes Regarding Alloy C 36000.
Alloy C37700- Forging Brass and C62400 Aluminum Silicon
Bronze
Alloys C83600 and C83800 only.
Alloy C32000 or C31400. (These alloys are leaded red brass
- 85 Cu, 1.9 Pb, 13 Zn [Alloy C3200] and Leaded commercial
Bronze - 89 Cu, 2 Pb, 9 Zn [Alloy C31400]). These alloys are
to be used in the Soft Anneal or Half-hard Conditions only.
Alloys C83600 per ASTM B62, Alloy C92200 per ASTM B61
and Alloy C95200 per ASTM B148

NOTE (1) – These specifications are dimensional specifications only

and govern the fittings which are made from several copper and copper alloys.
They also specify which alloys are to be used in making these fittings that
comply with their dimensional standards.
5.2 Aluminum and its Alloys

Aluminum is inherently cryogenic and is approved for usage at temperatures

down to -50oF.

(a) Aluminum and its alloys used for pressure containing parts shall be 6.0 NON-METALLICS
used only for approved meters, approved regulators, approved LP-gages and
approved vaporizers. 6.1 DESIGN - NON-METALLICS

(b) Aluminum vaporizers shall be of the indirect type,. They shall incor- 13.1.3 Non-Metallic Materials Non-metallic materials shall be selected and
porate thermal protection to shut off the electricity or heating medium to prevent used per manufacturerʼs guidelines.
weakening the material by overheating.

(c) Where electric heating elements are used,

(1) They shall not be of the direct immersion type.
(2) They shall be separated from the LP-Gas by the container that
contains the LP-Gas.
13.4.4.2 The behavior of aluminum with respect to corrosion is dependent
on its alloy and its heat-treatment-condition. The use of any aluminum alloy
for LP-Gas service shall be evaluated by the component manufacturer for each
specific application.
13.1.4 All materials which contact LP-Gas, including seals, gaskets, hoses, and
diaphragms, shall be resistant to the action of LP Gas under service conditions
and shall be suitable for the lowest service temperature expected.
(e) Nonmetallic materials shall not be used for upper or lower casings of
regulators or bonnets or bodies of valves or regulators.
(b) Polyethylene piping systems shall be limited to the following:

(d) Aluminum or zinc shall be permitted to be used for approved regulators. (1) Vapor service not exceeding 30 psig (208 kPag)
Zinc used for regulators shall comply with ASTM B 86, Standard Specification
(2) Installation outdoors and underground (see 3.2.16)
for Zinc-Alloy Die Casting.

5.2.1 Zinc shall be permitted to be used for approved

regulators, Zinc used for regulators shall comply with ASTM B86, Standard 3.2.16 Polyethylene Pipe, Tubing, and Fittings.
Specification for Zinc-Alloy Die Casting.
3.2.16.1 Polyethylene pipe, tubing and fittings shall be installed outdoors under-
ground only.
NEW ALLOY Zinc specification ASTM B791, 3.2.16.2 Polyethylene pipe and tubing shall be buried as follows:
titled Standard Specification for Zinc-Aluminum (ZA) Alloy Foundry and Die
Castings can also be used. (1) With a minimum 18 in. (460 mm) of cover

The melting range of zinc alloys is from 707oF to 903oF. Therefore its use is (2) With a minimum of 12 in. (300 mm) of cover if external damage to the
strictly limited. pipe or tubing is not likely to result.

5.2.2 Tin and its alloys shall be used only in LP-Gas vapor service where the (3) If a minimum 12 in. (300 mm) of cover cannot be provided, with piping
maximum service pressure is less than 1 psi. The melting point of tin alloys installed in conduit or bridged (shielded).
is between 400oF to 450oF, so there is a significant low temperature melting
concern.

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3.2.16.8* Polyethylene piping shall be installed so as to minimize thrust forces
caused by contraction or expansion of the piping or by anticipated external or
internal loading. The pipeline shall be designed and installed so that each joint
will sustain these forces.

6.4 ANODELESS RISERS - DESIGN GUIDE

3.2.16.9 An electrically continuous corrosion-resistant tracer wire (minimum (d) Anodeless risers shall comply with the following:
AWG 14) or tape shall be buried with the polyethylene pipe to facilitate locating.
One end shall be brought aboveground at a building wall or riser. The wire or (1) (1) The metal gas carrying portion of the anodeless
tape shall not be in direct contact with the polyethylene pipe. riser after the transition shall have a wall thickness equal to Schedule 40 pipe.
3.2.16.10 Polyethylene piping that is installed in a vault or any other below- (2) (2) Factory-assembled anodeless risers shall be
ground enclosure shall be completely encased in gastight metal pipe and fittings recommended for LP-Gas use and shall be leak tested by the manufacturer in
that are protected from corrosion. accordance with written procedures.
3.2.16.11 Polyethylene piping shall be installed in accordance with the manu- (3) (3) Field-assembled anodeless risers with service
facturerʼs installation instructions. head adapters shall be equipped with moisture seals and shall be recommended for
LP-Gas use by the manufacturer and shall be design certified to meet the require-
3.2.16.12 Where polyethylene pipe or tubing is inserted into an existing steel ments of Category 1 of ASTM D 2513, and U.S. Department of Transportation,
pipe, the polyethylene pipe or tubing shall be protected from being damaged Code of Federal Regulations, Title 49, 192.281(e) “Transportation,” and the
during the insertion process. The leading end of the polyethylene being inserted requirements of 3.2.16.1 through 3.2.16.8. The manufacturer shall provide the
shall also be closed prior to insertion. user qualified installation instructions as prescribed by U.S. Department of
3.2.16.13 Polyethylene pipe that is not encased shall have a minimum wall Transportation, Code of Federal Regulations, Title 49, Part 192.283(b).
thickness of 0.090 in. (2.3 mm). 3.2.16.3 Assembled anodeless risers shall be used to terminate underground
Exception: Pipe with an outside diameter of 0.875 in. (22.2 mm) or less shall polyethylene piping systems above ground. The horizontal portion of risers shall
be permitted to have a minimum wall thickness of 0.062 in. (1.6 mm). be buried at least 12 in. (300 mm) below grade and the casing material used for
the risers shall be protected against corrosion in accordance with 3.2.24.
3.2.16.14 Valves in polyethylene piping shall comply with following:
3.2.16.7 The casing of the riser shall be constructed of one of the following
(a) Valves shall protect the pipe from excessive torsional or shearing loads materials:
when the valve is operated.
(1) ASTM A 53, Standard Specification for Pipe, Steel, Black and Hot-
(b) Valve boxes shall be installed so as to avoid transmitting external loads Dipped, Zinc-Coated Welded and Seamless, Schedule 40 steel pipe
to the valve or pipe.
(2) ASTM A 513, Standard Specification for Electric-Resistance-Welded
Each imperfection or damaged piece of polyethylene pipe shall be replaced by Carbon and Alloy Steel Mechanical Tubing, mechanical steel tubing with a
fusion or mechanical fittings. Repair clamps shall not be used to cover damaged minimum wall thickness of 0.073 in. (1.9 mm)
or leaking sections.
(3) A flexible metal tubing with a minimum crush strength of 1000 lb (453.6
kg) and a tensile strength of 300 lb (136 kg) including the transition connection
as tested by the manufacturer

Table xxx

List of Specifications Governing Plastic Components in NFPA 58-2001

Component Specification NFPA 58 Guidelines
Piping Polyethylene pipe — ASTM D 2513, Specification for Thermoplastic Gas shall be recommended by the manufacturer for
Pressure Pipe, Tubing and Fittings. use with LP-Gas
Regulator Vent UL-651 - Schedule 40 or Schedule 80 Rigid PVC Conduit. Above Ground Other PVC piping materials shall not be per-
Piping Service Only. mitted.
Tubing Polyethylene tubing — ASTM D 2513, Standard Specification for shall be recommended by the manufacturer for
Thermoplastic Gas Pressure Pipe, Tubing and Fitting. use with LP-Gas
Fitting Thermoplastic fittings fabricated from materials listed in ASTM D 2513, shall be recommended for LP-Gas use by the
Specification for Thermoplastic Gas Pressure Pipe, Tubing and Fittings, shall manufacturer.
comply with ASTM D 2513,
Polyethylene ASTM D 2683, Standard Specification for Socket-type Polyethylene (PE) Polyethylene fusion fittings shall be recom-
Fusion Fittings Fittings for Outside Diameter Controlled Polyethylene Pipe; mended by the manufacturer for use with
ASTM D 3261, Standard Specification for Butt Heat Fusion Polyethylene LP-Gas. Installation instructions specific to the
(PE) Plastic Fittings for Polyethylene (PE) Plastic Pipe and Tubing; type and grade of polyethylene being joined
ASTM F 1055, Standard Specification for Electrofusion Type Polyethylene
shall be provided with heat fusion fittings.
Fittings for Outside Diameter Controlled Polyethylene Pipe and Tubing,
Mechanical * Mechanical fittings shall comply with Category 1 of ASTM D 2513, Standard Specification for Thermoplastic Gas Pressure
Fittings Pipe, Tubing and Fittings, and the following:

(1) Mechanical joints shall be tested and recommended by the manufacturer for use with polyethylene pipe and tub-
ing.

(2) Compression-type mechanical fittings shall include a rigid internal tubular stiffener, other than a split tubular
stiffener, to support the pipe. Gasket material in the fitting shall be resistant to the action of LP-Gas and shall be
compatible with the polyethylene pipe material.

(3) Compression-type mechanical fittings shall not be used on any polyethylene pipe above 2 in. IPS size.
Valves Fabricated from materials listed in ASTM D 2513, Standard Specification Valves shall be recommended for LP-Gas
for Thermoplastic Gas Pressure Pipe, Tubing and Fittings, that service by the manufacturer.
have been shown to be resistant to the action of LP-Gas and
comply with ASTM D 2513, or from metals protected to mini-
mize corrosion in accordance with 3.2.24.

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7.0 HOSES / CONNECTORS / FLEXIBLE CONNECTERS (b) The hose shall not extend from one room to another or
pass through any partitions, walls, ceilings, or floors except as
2.4.6 Hose, Quick Connectors, Hose Connections, and Flexible Connectors. provided by 3.4.3.7.

(c) The hose shall not be concealed from view or used in

DESIGN CRITERIA concealed locations.

(d) Hose shall not be used to carry liquid between the container and build- 3.2.20.3 Where installed outside of buildings, the hose length
ing and shall not be used at any point in the liquid line. shall be permitted to exceed 6 ft (1.8 m) but shall be as short as
practical.
Exception: Hose used as the appliance connector shall be as short as
practical and shall comply with 2.4.6, 3.2.17, and 3.2.20. 3.2.20.4 Hose shall be securely connected to the appliance. The
use of rubber slip ends shall not be permitted.
2.4.6.1 Hose, hose connections, and flexible connectors (see 1.7.26, Flexible
Connector) shall be fabricated of materials that are resistant to the action of LP- 3.2.20.5 A shutoff valve shall be provided in the piping imme-
Gas both as liquid and vapor. If wire braid is used for reinforcement, it shall be diately upstream of the inlet connection of the hose. Where more
of corrosion-resistant material such as stainless steel. than one such appliance shutoff is located near another, the valves
shall be marked to indicate which appliance is connected to each
NEW - The braid may be visible on the outside of the hose or internal to the valve.
hose. If the latter is the case, the marking on the hose must indicate the presence
of that braid - NEW 3.2.20.6 Hose shall be protected against physical damage.

2.4.6.2 Hose and quick connectors shall be approved.

4.2.4 Hose Inspection. Hose assemblies shall be visually inspected for leakage 3.8.2.5 Cylinders installed on portable tar kettles alongside the kettle, on the
or damage that will impair their integrity. Leaking or damaged hose shall be vehicle frame, or on road surface heating equipment shall be protected from
immediately repaired or removed from service. radiant or convected heat from open flame or other burners by the use of a
heat shield or by the location of the cylinder(s) on the vehicle. In addition, the
2.4.6.3 Hose, hose connections, and flexible connectors used for conveying LP- following shall apply:
Gas liquid or vapor at pressures in excess of 5 psig (34 kPag), and as provided in
Section 3.4 regardless of the pressure, shall comply with the following: (b) Piping shall comply with 3.8.2.8(a), (b), (d), (e), (g), (h), and (i).

Exception: Hoses at a pressure of 5 psig (34 kPag) or less used in agricultural 3.8.2.8
buildings not normally occupied by the public. (a) Steel tubing shall have a minimum wall thickness of 0.049
(a) Hose shall be designed for a working pressure of 350 psig (2.4 MPag) in. (1.2 mm).
with a safety factor of 5 to 1 and shall be continuously marked with LP-GAS, (b) A flexible connector or a tubing loop shall be installed
PROPANE, 350 PSI WORKING PRESSURE, and with the manufacturerʼs between the regulator outlet and the piping system to protect
name or trademark. against expansion, contraction, jarring, and vibration strains.
Exception: Hoses at a pressure of 5 psig (34 kPag) or less in agricultural (c) lexibility shall be provided in the piping between a cylin-
buildings not normally occupied by the public shall be designed for the working der and the gas piping system or regulator.
pressure of the system and shall be constructed of material resistant to the action
of LP-Gas. (d) Flexible connectors shall be installed in accordance with
3.2.17. Flexible connectors of more than 36 in. (0.9 m) overall
(b) Hose assemblies, after the application of connections, shall have a design length, or fuel lines that incorporate hose, shall be used only with
capability of not less than 700 psig (4.8 MPag). If a test is performed, such the approval of the authority having jurisdiction.
assemblies shall be leak tested at pressures between the operating pressure and
120 percent of the maximum working pressure [350 psig (24 MPag) minimum] (e) The piping system shall be designed, installed, supported,
of the hose. and secured to minimize the possibility of damage due to vibra-
tion, strains, or wear and to preclude any loosening while in
Exception: Hose at a pressure of 5 psig (34 kPag) or less used in agricultural transit.
buildings not normally occupied by the public.
(f) Piping shall be installed in a protected location. Where
2.4.6.4 Hoses or flexible connectors used to supply LP-Gas to utilization installed outside the vehicle, it shall be installed as follows:
equipment or appliances shall be installed in accordance with the provisions of
3.2.17 and 3.2.20. (1) Piping shall be under the vehicle and below any insula-
tion or false bottom.

(2) If outside, piping shall be under the vehicle and below

3.2.17 Flexible Connectors. Flexible components used in piping systems shall any insulation or false bottom.
comply with the following:
(3) Fastening or other protection shall be installed to prevent
(a) They shall be installed in accordance with the manufacturerʼs damage due to vibration or abrasion.
instructions.
(4) At each point where piping passes through sheet metal or
(b) *Flexible connectors and hose used as flexible connectors shall a structural member, a rubber grommet or equivalent protection
not exceed 36 in. (1 m) in length where used with liquid or vapor piping shall be installed to prevent chafing.
on portable or stationary tanks.
(g) Gas piping shall be installed to enter the vehicle through
(c) Hose shall be permitted to be installed if flexibility is required for the floor directly beneath or adjacent to the appliance served. If a
liquid or vapor transfer. branch line is installed, the tee connection shall be located in the
3.2.20 Hose for Portable Appliances. Where hose is to be used on the low- main gas line under the floor and outside the vehicle.
pressure side of regulators to connect to other than domestic and commercial (h) Exposed parts of the piping system either shall be of corro-
appliances, the following subsections shall apply. sion-resistant material or shall be coated or protected to minimize
3.2.20.2 Where used inside buildings, the following shall apply: exterior corrosion.

(a) The hose shall be the minimum practical length not (i) Hydrostatic relief valves complying with 2.4.7 shall be
exceeding 6 ft (1.8 m). installed in isolated sections of liquid piping as provided in

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(j) Piping systems, including hose, shall be pressure tested and
proven free of leaks in accordance with 3.2.22.
(k) There shall be no fuel connection between a tractor and
trailer or other vehicle units.
(5) The pipeaway system shall also comply with the following:
c. The nonmetallic hose shall be as short as practical and shall be able to
withstand the downstream pressure from the relief valve in the full open position.
The hose shall be fabricated of materials resistant to the action of LP-Gas.

(c) Flexible connections shall comply with 2.4.6.1, 2.4.6.2, and 2.4.6.3. d. Where hose is used to pipe away the relief valve discharge on containers
installed on the outside of the vehicle, the breakaway adapter and any attached
fitting shall deflect the relief valve discharge upward or downward within 45
Chapter 6 - Vehicular Transportation of LP-Gas degrees of vertical and shall meet the other requirements of 8.2.6.9(a) without
the hose attached. If an additional fitting is necessary to meet this requirement,
it shall have a melting point not less than 1500°F (816°C) and shall meet the
requirements of 8.2.6.9(b).
6.3.2.2 Liquid hose of 1-1/2-in. (nominal size) and larger and vapor hose of 1-
1/4-in. (nominal size) and larger shall be protected with an internal self-closing
stop valve complying with DOT requirements.
(c) The pipeaway system connections shall be mechanically secured and
Exception: Where flow is only into the cargo tank, a backflow check valve or shall not depend on adhesives or sealing compounds. The system shall not be
an internal valve shall be installed in the cargo tank. routed between a bumper system and the vehicle body.

6.3.3 Piping (Including Hose), Fittings, and Valves.
6.3.3.1 Pipe, tubing, pipe and tubing fittings, valves, hose, and flexible
connectors shall comply with the following:
8.2.8.6 Exposed parts of the piping system shall be of corrosion-resistant mate-
rial or shall be adequately protected against exterior corrosion.
8.2.8.7 Piping systems, including hose, shall be tested and proven free of leaks
at not less than normal operating pressure.

(1) Section 2.4

A.1.7.26 Flexible Connector. LP-Gas-resistant rubber and fabric (or metal), a
(2) The provisions of DOT cargo tank vehicle specifications for LP-Gas, combination of such rubber and fabric, or metal only should be used. Flexible
and connectors should be used where there is the need for, or the possibility of,
greater relative movement between the points connected than is acceptable for
(3) The working pressure specified in 2.5.1.2. In addition, the following shall
rigid pipe.
apply:

6.3.3.2 Pipe, tubing, pipe and tubing fittings, valves, hose, and flexible
connectors, and complete cargo tank vehicle piping systems including NPGA Safety Bulletin 114, Guide to Hose Inspection, 1991.
connections to equipment (see 6.3.4), after assembly, shall comply with 2.5.1.2.

8.3.5 Piping and hose shall comply with 8.2.5.1 through 8.2.5.4.
6.3.3.3 Valves, including shutoff valves, excess-flow valves, backflow check
valves, and remotely controlled valves, used in piping shall comply with the Exception: Hose 60 in. (1.5 m) in length or less shall not be required to be of
following: stainless steel wire braid construction.

(1) DOT cargo tank vehicle specifications for LP-Gas service
(2) Subsection 2.4.5
(3) The minimum design pressure requirements of 2.5.1.2
1.7.26* Flexible Connector. A short [not exceeding 36 in.
(0.91 m) overall length] component of a piping system fabricat-
ed of flexible material (such as hose) and equipped with suitable
connections on both ends.

8.0 JOINING, WELDING, BRAZING, SOLDERING,

6.3.3.4* Hose, hose connections, and flexible connectors shall comply with
MECHANICAL FASTENING (Gaskets and Seals),
2.4.6 and 6.3.3.1.
INSPECTION
6.3.3.5 Flexible connectors used in the piping system to compensate for stresses
13.5 Joining of metals. The joining technique used herein (welding, brazing,
and vibration shall be limited to 3 ft (1 m) in overall length and when replaced
soldering, threading or bolting) shall be appropriate from a materials compat-
shall comply with 2.4.6.
ibility and corrosion viewpoint.
6.3.3.6 Flexible connectors shall comply with the following:
13.5.1 Welding
(a) Flexible connectors assembled from rubber hose and couplings shall
1. Welding on to Pressure Containing Surfaces and Container Appurtenances
be permanently marked to indicate the date of installation of the flexible con-
nector. a. All welding on or to pressure barrier surfaces shall be performed by
welders that have been qualified in accordance with ASME Boiler and Pressure
(b) The flexible portion of the connector shall be replaced with an unused
Vessel Code, Section IX.
connector within 10 years of the indicated date of installation of the connector
and visually inspected before the first delivery of each day. b. The quality of these welds shall be in accordance with Paragraph 341.4.1
of ASME B31.3. The acceptance criteria for welds shall be the “Normal Fluid
(c) The rubber hose portion of flexible connectors shall be replaced when-
Service” standards presented in Table 341.3.2 of ASME B31.3 only. All weld-
ever a cargo unit is remounted on a different chassis, or whenever the cargo
ing performed to these requirements shall be subjected to visual inspection
unit is repiped, if such repiping encompasses that portion of piping in which
only.
the connector is located.
Visual inspection as applicable to welding is the observation of the portion of
Exception: Replacement shall not be required if the remounting or repiping is
components, joints and other piping elements that are or can be exposed to
performed within 1 year of the date of assembly of the connector.
view before, during, or after assembly. This examination includes verification
of the materials to be welded, joint preparation, alignment and examination of
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the finished weld.
Structural Welding
All welding of low-temperature sensitive ferrous materials for structural rea-
sons and whose failure would affect the integrity of the piping or LP tankage /
tankage support system shall be done by welders qualified to ASME IX of the
B&PV Code or AWS-D1.1
The resulting weld joints shall be subjected to the same requirements as the
material.
The minimum design material temperature shall be the governing factor. If the
weld joint could be subjected to the –20oF to –50oF environment and the mate-
rial being welded is a temperature sensitive ferrous material which is being
used below its normal minimum design temperature, i.e., below –20oF, but
above –50oF, then the joint shall be subjected to impact testing if the applied
stress is greater than 70% of the allowable material stress “S” per the appli-
cable governing design code or derated so it doesnʼt exceed the 70% allowable
material stress level (S).
Oxy-fuel welding shall be prohibited from all applications that are to be
used or installed in any LP-Gas facility.
Appendix – Oxyfuel welding in carbon steel is known to
result in lower toughness welds when compared to current
welding technology. For this reason it is being eliminated
from this Standard.
13.5.2 Visual Inspection. Visual inspection shall be performed by a person
who is qualified in welding inspection, is familiar with welding workmanship, Gaskets, Fusible Links, Etc.
and can review drawing requirements to determine what the finished welded
product should be.
That person shall, on an audit basis, witnesses the fit-up, the welding process, fined in metal having a melting point over 1500°F (816°C) or shall be protect-
and review the finished weld for conformance to good engineering practice
or applicable engineering drawing and prepare a written report documenting
those observations.
13.5.2 Brazing All brazing shall be in accordance with ASME B&PV
Section IX. All brazing alloys shall be listed in SFA5.8 of ASME-Section IIC 9.1.3.4 Gaskets used to retain LP-Gas in containers shall be resistant to the
or AWS-A5.8 and shall have a melting point that exceeds 1000°F (538°C).
13.5.3 Soldering
(a) Soldering shall not be used on liquid, vapor or vent lines or product con-
tainment surfaces where failure would result in product release.
(b) Soldering shall be permitted for hermetic or environmental sealing
purposes, where the integrity or operational capability of the component is
not detrimentally affected by the loss of solder joint because of unexpected
heating.
(c) All solder alloys shall be listed in ASTM-B32 - Standard Specification
for Solder Metal.
13.5.4 Bolting. All new and replacement bolting which is not part of a vendor
approved or recommended component for LP service shall comply with Grade
B-7 bolts in accordance with ASTM-A193 - Standard Specification for Alloy-
Steel and Stainless Steel Bolting Materials for High-Temperature Service.
Impact tests shall not be required for bolting material conforming to ASTM
A193, Grade B-7, for use at temperatures above -50 ºF.
If the intended area of service in the facility cannot reach the -50 F for any pro-
o
cess upset or environmental condition, then this requirement is not applicable.
All new and replacement ferrous (non stainless steel) bolting and washers shall
be plated for corrosion protection.
13.5.5 Other Mechanical Connections Other connections, such as flaring,
compression fittings, etc. shall be approved for use in LP systems and shall be
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rated for the design pressure where the component is being used. If that is not
known, the fitting shall be rated for 1250 psi.
13.5.6 Gaskets and Seals. Gaskets and seals used to retain LP-Gas shall be
resistant to the action of LP-Gas and suitable for service at temperatures as low
as (–)50oF
13.5.6.1 The following shall also apply:
1. Their pressure rating shall be equal or greater than service intended.
2. They shall meet one of the following requirements:
a. Be made of metal
b. Be confined in metal having a melting point over 1500°F (816°C)
c. Be protected against fire exposure.
3. Aluminum O-rings and spiral wound metal gaskets shall be permitted.
4. Non-metallic gaskets used in insulating fittings shall be permitted.
5. When a flange is opened, the gasket shall be replaced.
13.5.6.2 Nonmetallic gaskets and seals used inside a manufacturerʼs certi-
fied / listed component , such as valves, regulators, pumps, meters, vaporizers,
acme adaptors, quick disconnect couplings, shall be replaced in accordance to
the manufacturerʼs guidelines.
2.3.1.4 Gaskets used to retain LP-Gas in containers shall be resistant to the
action of LP-Gas. They shall be made of metal or other suitable material con-
ed against fire exposure. When a flange is opened, the gasket shall be replaced.
Exception: Aluminum O-rings and spiral wound metal gaskets shall be
permitted. Gaskets for use with approved or listed liquid level gauges for
installation on a container of 3500-gal (13.2-m3) water capacity or less shall be
exempted from this provision.
action of LP-Gas. They shall be of metal or other material confined in metal,
including spiral-wound metal gaskets, having a melting point over 1500°F
(816°C) or shall be protected against fire exposure. When a flange is opened,
the gasket shall be replaced.
9.0 CORROSION - DESIGN WORDS
3.2.15.7 Aboveground piping shall be supported and protected against physi-
cal damage by vehicles. The portion of aboveground piping in contact with a
support or a corrosion-causing substance shall be protected against corrosion.
3.2.15.9 Underground metallic piping shall be protected against corrosion as
warranted by soil conditions (see 3.2.24).
3.2.16.3 Assembled anodeless risers shall be used to terminate underground
polyethylene piping systems above ground. The horizontal portion of risers
shall be buried at least 12 in. (300 mm) below grade and the casing material
used for the risers shall be protected against corrosion in accordance with
3.2.24.
13.7.0 CORROSION PROTECTION
A-13.7.0 The following paragraphs clearly direct that corrosion protec-
tion is of paramount importance in an LP-Gas plant and systems. Since LP-Gas
itself is not corrosive, the fluid is considered a normal fluid for corrosion pur-
poses and ASME B31.3 data. Therefore, the ASME design allows the selection
of a wall thickness based on the absence of any corrosion deterioration – from
interior LP-Gas contact and exterior, from external environmental conditions.
The exterior environmental corrosion must therefore be controlled.
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3.2.24* Corrosion Protection. All metallic equipment and components that are
buried or mounded shall be coated or protected and maintained to minimize
corrosion. Corrosion protection of all other materials shall be in accordance
with accepted engineering practice.
13.7.2 LP-Gas systems and facilities shall be protected from atmospheric
and water-based corrosion, including galvanic or dissimilar metals corrosion,
atmospheric and faying surface (surfaces in close contact with each other that
may be exposed to water or moisture contact) corrosion.
13.7.3 All aboveground surfaces that are subject to natural deterioration shall
be protected.
13.7.3 This may consist of painting in accordance with the Steel Structures
Painting Council (SSPC) guidelines for steel surfaces or otherwise protecting
the surfaces by preventing moisture contact.
13.7.4 All buried, mounded, or otherwise below-surface components shall be
protected from corrosion.
(a) Ferrous materials shall be protected in accordance with NACE RP-01-
69.
(b) All buried ferrous components shall be both coated and have an
impressed cathodic or sacrificial anode protection system applied. Appropriate
test stations shall be installed to verify the operability of these cathodic protec-
tion systems.
13.7.5 No metallic material shall be direct buried. All burying or mounding
shall be in accordance with NACE RP-01-1969.
13.7.6 Non-ferrous materials installed underground shall be protected from
underground corrosion by the installer. This includes, but is not limited to, the
valves, fittings, regulators installed in the dome of a buried container and pip-
ing.
13.7.6 The corrosion protection of any buried or below-grade component is of
paramount importance.
13.4.4 Stainless Steel Piping, Components and Fittings. Stainless steel piping,
components and fittings shall not be buried without corrosion protection.
A 13.4.5.1 (c) Alloy C36000 is known to be highly prone to Stress Corrosion
Cracking and therefore care should be taken in its machining, handling and
usage/ The following advisory precautionary notes should be considered:
1. Machining – Sharp cutting tools shall be used for machining to minimize
cold-working stresses.
2. Thermal Processing – In order to prevent high stress buildup in parts fab-
ricated from free cutting brass, thermal stress relieving or annealing processes
shall be incorporated into the manufacturing process.
3. Ammonia Free service - Only non-ammonia containing solutions shall
be used for leak checking during the assembly process.
4. Prevent the exposure of parts/assemblies made from free cutting brass to
ammonia.
CONTAINERS- CORROSION
3.2.9.1 ASME container assemblies listed for underground installation, includ-
ing interchangeable aboveground-underground container assemblies, shall be
installed underground as follows:
(h) Containers shall be coated or protected to minimize corrosion. Any dam-
age to the coating shall be repaired before backfilling.
3.2.9.2 Partially underground, unmounded ASME containers shall be installed
as follows:
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(a) The portion of the container below the surface, and for a vertical dis-
tance of at least 3 in. (75 mm) above the surface, shall be coated or protected
to minimize corrosion. Any damage to the coating shall be repaired before
backfilling.
3.2.9.3 Mounded containers shall be installed as follows:
(a)* Mounding material shall be earth, sand, or other noncombustible, non-
corrosive materials and shall cover the container for at least 1 ft (0.3 m).
(b) A protective cover shall be provided on top of mounding materials sub-
ject to erosion.
(d)* Mounded containers shall be coated or protected to minimize corrosion.
CONTAINERS AND SUPPORTS - INSULATION
Special Protection
3.10.3.1* If insulation is used, it shall be capable of limiting the container tem-
perature to not over 800°F (427°C) for a minimum of 50 minutes as determined
by test with insulation applied to a steel plate and subjected to a test flame sub-
stantially over the area of the test plate. The insulation system shall be inher-
ently resistant to weathering and the action of hose streams. (See Appendix H.)
The steel supports shall be protected against fire exposure with a material hav-
ing a fire resistance rating of at least 2 hours.
Exception: Continuous steel skirts having only one opening of 18 in. (457
m) or less in diameter shall have 2-hour fire protection applied to the outside
of the skirt.
NEW: When passive fire protection systems are used, they shall meet the
requirements of UL1709 and be listed by Underwritersʼ Laboratories.
3.10.3.2 If mounding is utilized, the provisions of 3.2.9.3 shall be required.
3.10.3.3 If burial is utilized, the provisions of 3.2.9.1 shall be required.
3.2.4.4* Above ground containers shall be painted.
3.2.6.3 Where single containers complying with Table 2.2.5.1 are installed in
isolated locations with nonfireproofed steel supports resting on concrete pads
or footings and the outside bottom of the container shell is not more than 5 ft
(1.5 m) above the ground level, the approval of the authority having jurisdic-
tion shall be obtained.
3.2.6.4 The part of the container in contact with saddles or foundations or
masonry shall be coated or protected to minimize corrosion.
8.2.2.3 A stainless steel metal nameplate shall be attached to the ASME con-
tainer and shall be located to remain visible after the container is installed.
The nameplate shall be attached in such a way as to minimize corrosion of the
nameplate or its fastening means and not cause corrosion of the container. The
nameplate shall include the following information:
(i) A solid steel plug shall be installed in unused openings.
3.2.9 Installation of Underground and Mounded Containers.
3.2.9.1 ASME container assemblies listed for underground installation, includ-
ing interchangeable aboveground-underground container assemblies, shall be
installed underground as follows:
(h) Containers shall be coated or protected to minimize corrosion. Any
damage to the coating shall be repaired before backfilling.
3.2.9.2 Partially underground, unmounded ASME containers shall be installed
as follows:
(a) The portion of the container below the surface, and for a vertical distance
of at least 3 in. (75 mm) above the surface, shall be coated or protected to
minimize corrosion. Any damage to the coating shall be repaired before back-
filling.
3.2.9.3 Mounded containers shall be installed as follows:
(a)* Mounding material shall be earth, sand, or other noncombustible, non-
corrosive materials and shall cover the container for at least 1 ft (0.3 m).
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metals protected to minimize corrosion in accordance with 3.2.24.
(b) A protective cover shall be provided on top of mounding materials sub-
ject to erosion. Substantiation: This clarifies and updates materials joining and corrosion
protection in this standard.
Committee Meeting Action: Reject
(d) * Mounded containers shall be coated or protected to minimize corro- Committee Statement: The comment does not present the material in code
sion. language that can be accepted.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
3.2.15.7 Aboveground piping shall be supported and protected against physical Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
damage by vehicles. The portion of aboveground piping in contact with a sup- Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
port or a corrosion-causing substance shall be protected against corrosion.
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( Chapter 16 [Chapter 13 Old] )
Automotive - Corrosion _______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
(f) Where engine exhaust gases are used as a direct source of heat to vapor- Comment on Proposal No:58-137
ize the fuel, the materials of construction of those parts of the vaporizer in Recommendation:
contact with the exhaust gases shall be resistant to corrosion by these gases and 1) Delete 2.4.4.3(c) (3) (2001 Edition) in its entirety. No renumbering is nec-
the vaporizer system shall be designed to prevent a pressure in excess of 200 essary.
psig (1.4 MPag).
2.4.4.3 (c) (3) Compression-type mechanical fittings shall not be usedon any
polyethylene pipe above 2in. IPS size.
3.2.15.9 Underground metallic piping shall be protected against corrosion as
warranted by soil conditions (see 3.2.24). 2) Delete 3.2.15.1 (2001 Edition) and renumber subsequent paragraphs.

3.2.16.3 Assembled anodeless risers shall be used to terminate underground
polyethylene piping systems above ground. The horizontal portion of risers
shall be buried at least 12 in. (300 mm) below grade and the casing material
used for the risers shall be protected against corrosion in accordance with
3.2.24.
3.2.15.1 All metallic LP-Gas piping shall be designed and installed in accor-
dance with ASME B 31.3, Chemical Plant and Petroleum Refinery Piping.
All welding and brazing of metallic piping shall be in accordance with ASME
Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code, Section IX.
3) Modify 3.2.15.3 (2001 Edition) as follows:

A.3.2.9.3(d) For information on corrosion protection of containers and piping
systems, see the following:
(a) API Publication 1632, Cathodic Protection of Underground Petroleum
Storage Tanks and Piping Systems, 1983
(b) Underwriters Laboratories of Canada, ULC S603.1-M, Standard
for Galvanic Corrosion Protection Systems for Steel Underground Tanks for
Flammable and Combustible Liquids
(c) National Association of Corrosion Engineers Standard RP-01-69,
Recommended Practice, Control of External Corrosion of Underground or
Submerged Metallic Piping Systems
(d) National Association of Corrosion Engineers Standard RP-02-85,
Recommended Practice, Control of External Corrosion on Metallic Buried,
Partially Buried, or Submerged Liquid Storage Systems
(e) Underwriters Laboratories Inc., UL 1746, External Corrosion
Protection Systems for Steel Underground Storage Tanks
3.2.15.3 Metallic pipe and tubing joints shall be permitted to be threaded,
flanged, welded, or brazed using metallic pipe, tubing and fittings that comply
with 2.4.2, 2.4.3, and 2.4.4.1 and 2.4.4.2 as follows.
(a) Metallic threaded, and welded and brazed pipe joints shall be in accor-
dance with Table 3.2.15.3(a).
4) Add the following new paragraphs and renumber existing
paragraphs.
(b) Welding and brazed joints designed for liquid and vapor service at pres-
sures greater than 125 psig (>0.9 Mpag) shall be con-
structed of materials that are allowed in this Code and
joined in accordance with either of the following:
(1) ASME B31.3, Process Piping for normal fluid service or;
(2) API Standard 1104, Welding of Pipelines and Related Facilities.
(c) A qualified person that is independent of the person performing the work
shall ensure compliance with the applicable welding procedure specification
and visually examine the welded and brazed joints.

A.3.2.17(b)
Table 3.2.15.3 (a) Types of Metallic Pipe Joints in LP-Gas Service
A.3.2.24 For information on protection of underground components see NACE Service Schedule 40 Schedule 80
RP-01-69, Control of External Corrosion on Underground or Submerged Liquid Welded or Brazed Threaded, Welded or
Metallic Piping Brazed
Vapor, ≤125 psig Threaded, Welded or Threaded, Welded or
(≤0.9 Mpag) Brazed Brazed
RP-01-69, Recommended Practice, Control of External Corrosion of Vapor, ≥125 psig Welded or Brazed Threaded, Welded or
Underground or Submerged Metallic Piping Systems, 1996. (≥0.9 Mpag) Brazed
5) Add the following text to Appendix A:
RP-02-85, Recommended Practice, Control of External Corrosion on
Metallic Buried, Partially Buried, or Submerged Liquid Storage Systems, 1985. A.3.2.15.3 (b) ASME B31.3, Process Piping refers to ASME Boiler and
UL 1746, External Corrosion Protection Systems for Steel Underground Pressure Vessel Code, Section IX. API Standard 1104, Welding of Pipelines
Storage Tanks, 1993. and Related Facilities is a weld quality standard. Both Section IX and API
1104 require welders to pass tests in order to become qualified. Both docu-
ULC-S603.1-M, Standard for Galvanic Corrosion Protection Systems for ments require pull and bending tests on welds made as part of the qualification
Steel Underground Tanks for Flammable and Combustible Liquids, 1992. test.

6) The NPGA endorses the Technical Committee action to reject the remainder
3.2.16.10 Polyethylene piping that is installed in a vault or any other of the proposal.
belowground enclosure shall be completely encased in gastight metal
pipe and fittings that are protected from corrosion.

3.2.16.15 Valves shall be recommended for LP-Gas service by the

manufacturer. Valves shall be manufactured from thermoplastic mate-
rials fabricated from materials listed in ASTM D 2513, Standard
Specification for Thermoplastic Gas Pressure Pipe, Tubing and Fittings,
that have been shown to be resistant to the action of LP-Gas, or from
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Substantiation: l) Gas-air mixers – See 2.5.5.7 and 3.6.8.4(a)
m) Appliances – See 2.6.1, 2.6.2.4, 2.6.2.5 and 3.4.7.2
n) Brazed metallic pipe joints – See 3.2.15.3(c), 6.3.3.1(e) and
8.2.5.4(d)
o) Cylinders – See 3.4.2.1, 3.4.8.3, 3.4.8.4, 5.3.4, 6.2.2.2 and
1. Deletion of 2.4.4.3(c) (3): 8.5.2(a)
Some propane vapor systems being installed require pipe sizes larger than 2”. p) Breakaway device – See 3.9.4.2, 8.2.6.9(b)(1) and
Three-inch pipe is used quite often and 4-inch pipe is not a rarity. 2.4.4.3 (3) 8.2.6.9(b)(5)(b and d)
sets the requirements for compression type mechanical fittings for polyethylene q) Movable fuel storage tenders – See 6.4.3.2
piping. ASTM D 2513, Standard Specification for Thermoplastic Gas Pressure r) Carburetion equipment on engine fuel systems – See 8.2.4 and
Pipe, Tubing and Fittings is that requirement. 8.4.2
s) Vaporizers – 8.2.4.2(a), 8.3.4, 8.4.2 and 8.5.4
When the allowed use of polyethylene compression type mechanical fittings t) Vehicle enclosures, structures, seals and conduits used to vent
was first included in NFPA 58, the 2-inch IPS size fittings were the largest size enclosures – See 8.2.7.4
that were approved, marketed and manufactured. Since that time, both 3-inch u) Non-self propelled floor maintenance machinery – See 8.4.4
and 4-inch IPS size fittings that meet the requirements of Category 1 of ASTM v) Insulation – See 9.7.4 and 9.7.4.1
D 2513 are being manufactured, marketed and safely used.
2. Changes to 3.2.15.1 and 3.2.15.3: 2. Design pressures:
This proposal implements the formal interpretation of December 8, 1995, and a) Containers – See 2.2.2.1, 2.2.2.2, Table 2.2.2.2, 2.2.2.3(b),
provides clear directions for welded and brazed piping systems. NFPA formal 3.8.2.1, 4.2.2.6, 8.2.2.1(c and e), 8.2.2.2, 9.1.1.1, 9.1.1.2,
interpretation 95-2 reads: 9.1.1.3 and 9.1.2.1
b) Portable tanks – See 2.2.5.4,
Reference: 3.2.15.1 c) Container connections and appurtenances – See 2.3.1.3,
2.3.3.1, 3.8.2.6(b), 8.2.3
Question No. 1: Is it the intent of NFPA 58, 3.2.15.1 to apply to d) Pressure gages – See 2.3.1.3 and 2.3.5.1
welded piping only? e) Pipe/Piping and tubing – See 2.4.1.4, 3.2.13, 3.2.15.1,
Answer: Yes. When the current 3.2.15.1 was added to the standard 3.2.15.2, 3.2.16.1, 3.4.2.3, 6.3.3.1 and 6.3.3.2
in the 1995 edition, the committee discussions were centered on f) Pipe and tube fittings – See 2.4.4.1, Table 2.4.4.1, 2.4.4.2,
concerns over welding quality, and the addition was intended to pro- 3.2.15.3(b), 3.2.16.1, 6.3.3.1, 6.3.3.2, 6.4.3.3 and 8.2.5.4(b and
vide standards for welding. c)
g) Valves – See Table 2.4.4.1, 2.4.5.2, 2.5.1.2, 6.3.3.1, 6.3.3.2
Question No. 2: Is it the intent to classify LP-Gas as a normal fluid and 6.3.3.3(3)
when using ASME B 31.3? h) Hose, hose connections, and flexible connectors – See 2.4.6.3,
Answer: Yes 3.4.2.3(b)(1), 6.3.3.1, 6.3.3.2, 6.3.3.4, 6.3.3.5, 8.2.5.5(a), 8.3.5
Issue Edition: 1995 and 8.43
Reference: 3-2.15.1 i) Pumps, compressors, vaporizers, strainers, meters, sight flow
Issue Date: December 8, 1995 glasses, regulators – See 2.5.1.2, Table 2.5.1.2, 2.5.3, 2.5.4.1
Effective Date: December 28, 1995 and 6.3.4.1
j) Vaporizers – See 2.5.5.1, 2.5.5.2, 2.5.5.3, 8.2.4.2(b), 8.3.4 and
Considering the above interpretation, all the requirements of B31.3 no longer 8.5.4
belong in 3.2.15.1. The use of qualified personnel performing welding and k) Vaporizing burners – See 2.5.5.6
brazing, the inspection of the processes, and the examination of welds will l) Cylinder to regulator connection – See 3.4.2.2
ensure joint quality. m) Cargo tank vehicle piping systems – See 2.5.1.2 and 6.3.3.2
n) Carburetion equipment on engine fuel systems – 8.2.4.1
3. Endorsement of the Technical Committee Action to Reject the
Proposal 3. Joining/welding:
a) Containers – See 2.2.1.9, 3.2.4.3, 3.8.2.4(d), 8.2.2.1(f), 8.2.6.7
The NPGA supports the action of the Technical Committee to reject Proposal and 9.4.3
58-137. The following analysis provides further substantiation for that action. b) Polyethylene pipe and tubing – See 2.4.4.3 and 6.3.3.1
c) Metallic tubing and piping – See 3.2.15.1, 3.2.15.3, Table
Proposal 58-137 was a technical, lengthy , and complex proposal that required 3.2.15.3(a), 3.2.15.4, 6.3.3.1(d) and 8.2.5.4(a)
considerable time to analyze. NPGA formed a task group to study and modify d) Breakaway adapter – See 8.2.6.9(b)(5)(a)
the proposal if necessary. The first step in this process was to identify those
paragraphs currently existing in NFPA 58 that related to the proposal. These 4. Corrosion:
paragraphs were identified as follows: a) Containers – See 2.2.3.5(b), 2.2.6.3, 3.2.4.4, 3.2.6.4,
3.2.9.1(h), 3.2.9.2(a), 3.2.9.3(d), 3.10.3.2, 8.2.2.3 and 8.2.2.7
1. Materials suitable for use with LP-Gas: b) Valves – See 2.4.5.5, 3.2.24, 3.2.16.15, 3.2.24 and 6.3.3.1
a) Containers – See 2.2.1.3, 2.2.1.7, 3.8.2.6(a)(1), 6.2.3.2, c) Hose, quick connectors, hose connections, and flexible con-
6.3.2.1, 8.2.2.1, 8.2.2.2, 8.3.2, 9.1.1.1, 9.1.1.2, 9.1.1.3, 9.1.2.2, nectors – See 2.4.6.1, 6.3.3.1, 6.3.3.4 and 6.3.3.5
9.1.4.3(b), and 9.3.4 d) Piping – See 3.2.15.7, 3.2.15.9, 3.2.16.3, 3.2.24, 3.2.16.10,
b) Container Support – See 2.2.5.1, 2.2.5.2, 2.2.5.3, 3.2.6.1, 3.8.2.8(h) and 8.2.8.6
3.2.6.3, 3.2.6.7, 3.2.7.1, 3.2.7.2, 3.2.8.1, and 3.2.8.4 e) Buried or mounded metallic equipment – See 3.2.24
c) Container connections and appurtenances – See 2.3.1.2,
2.3.3.1, 3.8.2.6(b), 6.3.5 and 8.2.3 5. Design Strength:
d) Pressure gages – See 2.3.1.2 and 2.3.5.1 a) Cylinder ventilated cap or collar – See 2.2.4.1(a), 5.2.2 and
e) Pipe/Piping and tubing – See 2.4.1.1, 2.4.1.2, 2.4.1.3, 2.4.2, 6.2.2.4
2.4.3, 2.4.8, 3.2.11.8, 3.2.12.6(a), 3.2.13, 3.2.15.1, 3.2.15.6, b) Container Protection – See 2.2.4.2 and 6.2.3.4
3.2.16.7, 3.2.16.13, 3.4.2.3, 3.8.2.5(b), 3.8.2.8(a), 6.3.3.1, c) Container Support – See 2.2.5.2 and 2.2.5.3
6.4.3.3, 8.2.5.1, 8.2.5.2, 8.2.5.3, 8.3.5, 8.5.3, 9.1.3.3, and chap- d) Container bottom connections – See 3.2.9.3(c)(2) and 3.10.3.2
ter 12 e) Discharge piping – See 3.2.11.8
f) Pipe and tube fittings – See 2.4.1.1, 2.4.1.2, 2.4.4, 2.4.4.1, f) Pipe/Piping – See 3.2.15.6, 3.2.16.7(3), 3.2.16.8, 3.8.2.8(e)
3.2.11.8, 6.3.3.1, 6.3.3.7 and 8.2.5.4 and 8.2.8.1
g) Valves – See 2.4.1.1, 2.4.1.2, 2.4.5.1, 2.4.5.4, 2.4.5.5, g) Fuel container and tar kettle cylinder fastenings – See
3.2.16.15, 3.9.3.9, 6.3.3.1, 6.3.3.3, 6.3.3.7, 8.2.3(f), 8.2.4.3, 3.8.2.4(b and c), 3.8.2.5(a) and 8.2.6.6
8.2.9.2, 8.4.2(a), 8.5.2(b), 8.5.4 and 9.7.1.1 h) Equipment installed on vehicles – See 3.8.2.4(c) and 3.8.3.2
h) Hose, quick connectors, hose connections, and flexible con- i) Insulation for Special Protection – See 3.10.3.1
nectors – See 2.4.1.1, 2.4.6.1, 2.4.6.2, 2.4.6.4, 3.2.20.4,
3.2.15.6, 3.2.17, 3.2.20.4, 3.8.2.5(c), 3.9.4.1, 6.3.3.1, 6.3.3.4, 6. Sealing:
6.3.3.5, 8.2.5.5, 8.3.5, 8.4.3 and 8.5.3 a) Containers – See 2.3.1.4, 8.2.3(i) and 9.1.3.4
i) Pumps, compressors, vaporizers, strainers, meters, sight b) Polyethylene pipe and tubing – See 2.4.4.3(c)(2), 2.4.4.3(d)(3)
flow glasses, regulators – See 2.5.1.3, 2.5.3, 2.5.4.1, 2.5.6.1, and 6.3.3.1
2.5.6.2, 3.2.12.6(c) exception 1, 3.4.2.2 and 6.3.4.1 c) Valves – See 2.4.5.1(3) and 6.3.3.1
j) Tank heaters – See 2.5.5.5(a) d) Flanged connections – See 3.2.15.3(d)
k) Vaporizing burners – See 2.5.5.6(b) e) Valve outlets on cylinders – See 3.4.2.7(a), 4.2.2.3, 5.2.2 and
6.2.2.4
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Next, a line-by-line compare the proposal to the current requirements was
made. This was difficult because the proposal did not use legislative text to
identify existing existing requirements had not been referenced or deleted and
the content had been re-ordered with new requirements mixed in.
For example, an analysis of the proposed sections on corrosion produced the
following (comments are indicated):
13.4.4 Stainless Steel Piping, Components and Fittings. Stainless
steel piping, components and fittings shall not be buried without
corrosion protection. (Comment: Section 3.2.24 requires ALL
metallic equipment and components to be protected.)
13.5.4 Bolting. All new and replacement bolting shall comply
with Grade B-7 bolts in accordance with ASTM-A193 - Standard
Specification for Alloy-Steel and Stainless Steel Bolting Materials
for High-Temperature Service. Impact tests shall not be required
for bolting material conforming to ASTM A193, Grade B-7, for use
at temperatures above -50 ºF.
All new and replacement ferrous (non stainless steel) bolting and
washers shall be plated for corrosion protection. (Comment: New
Requirement)
13.7.0 CORROSION PROTECTION
A-13.7.0 The following paragraphs clearly direct that corrosion
protection is of paramount importance in an LP-Gas plant and sys-
tems. (Comment: Language not consistent with Manual of Style for
Standards) Since LP-Gas itself is not corrosive, the fluid is consid-
ered a normal fluid for corrosion purposes and ASME B31.3 data.
Therefore, the ASME design allows the selection of a wall thick-
ness based on the absence of any corrosion deterioration – from
interior LP-Gas contact and exterior, from external environmental
conditions. The exterior environmental corrosion must therefore be
controlled.
13.7.2 LP-Gas systems and facilities shall be protected from atmo-
spheric and water-based corrosion, including galvanic or dissimilar
metals corrosion, atmospheric and faying surface (surfaces in close
contact with each other that may be exposed to water or moisture
contact) corrosion. (Comment: Based on 2nd sentence of 3.2.24
“Corrosion protection of all other materials shall be in accordance
with accepted engineering practice.”)
13.7.3 All aboveground surfaces that are subject to natural deterio-
ration shall be protected. (Comment: 3.2.4.4 requires above ground
containers to be painted. 3.2.15.7 requires portion of aboveground
piping in contact with a support or a corrosion-causing substance to
be protected. 3.8.2.8 references 3.2.15 and indicates exposed piping
should be protected and includes vehicle piping. 8.2.8.6 indicates
exposed piping should be protected.)
A-13.7.3 This may consist of painting in accordance with the Steel
Structures Painting Council (SSPC) guidelines for steel surfaces or
otherwise protecting the surfaces by preventing moisture contact.
(Comment: Reference to SSPC guidelines is new. Reference to cur-
rent A3.2.4.4 (light colors) is missing.)
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13.7.4 All buried, mounded, or otherwise below-surface compo-
nents shall be protected from corrosion. (Comment: 3.2.9.1(h),
3.2.9.2(a), 3.2.9.3(d), 3.2.15.9, 3.2.16.3, 3.2.16.10 (details missing),
3.2.24, 3.10.3.2, 3.10.3.3)
(a) Ferrous materials shall be protected in accordance with NACE
RP-01-69. (Comment: From A3.2.24 – Reference incorrect. Should
be NACE RP0169-02)
(b) All buried ferrous components shall be both coated and have an
impressed cathodic or sacrificial anode protection system applied.
Appropriate test stations shall be installed to verify the operability
of these cathodic protection systems. (Comment: NEW
REQUIREMENT)
13.7.5 No metallic material shall be direct buried. All burying
or mounding shall be in accordance with NACE RP-01-1969.
(Comment: Same as 13.7.4? – why repeated?)
13.7.6 Non-ferrous materials installed underground shall be protect-
ed from underground corrosion by the installer. This includes, but is
not limited to, the valves, fittings, regulators installed in the dome
of a buried container and piping. (Comment: Same as 13.7.4?
– why repeated?)
A-13.7.6 The corrosion protection of any buried or below-grade
component is of paramount importance.
(Comment: Items that currently appear in NFPA 58 but are omitted
from the proposal:
• Corrosion protected enclosure for connections for pres-
sure relief valves on containers (2.2.3.5)
• Nameplate corrosion protection on containers (2.2.6.3)
• Corrosion protection for part of container in contact with
saddles or foundations or masonry (3.2.6.4)
• Corrosion protection for valves per 3.2.24 (2.4.5.5,
3.2.16.15, 6.3.3.1)
• Corrosion protection for wire braid on hose, hose con-
nections and flexible connectors (2.4.6.1)
• Details of enclosing polyethylene piping in gas tight fit-
tings protected from corrosion (3.2.16.10)
• Specific references that exposed vehicle piping be pro-
tected (3.8.2.8 and 8.2.8.6))
The analysis of the welding sections was prepared in a slightly different format,
where CAPITAL LETTERS were used to highlight differences between the
proposed Chapter 13 and the existing NFPA 58. The analysis is as follows:
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13.2.2 All joining and corrosion protection requirements are also
included herein.
13.4.1.4 (Note 7) It is mandatory that all components and fabri-
cation techniques are in accordance with the requirements shown
in this chapter.
13.4.4.7 Joints in polyethylene pipe and polyethylene tubing
shall be made by heat fusion, by compression-type mechanical
fittings, or by factory-assembled transition fittings.
(a) THERMOPLASTIC FITTINGS FABRICATED FROM
MATERIALS LISTED IN ASTM D2513, SPECIFICATION
FOR THERMOPLASTIC GAS PRESSURE PIPE, TUBING
AND FITTINGS SHALL BE USED TO JOIN POLYETH-
YLENE PIPE, SHALL COMPLY WITH ASTM D2513 AND
SHALL BE RECOMMENDED FOR LP GAS USE BY THE
MANUFACTURER.
(b). Mechanical compression-type fittings shall not be used on
any polyethylene pipe above 2 in. IPS size.
(c). ALL FITTINGS USED TO JOIN POLYETHYLENE PIPE
OR POLYETHYLENE TUBING SHALL BE TESTED IN
ACCORDANCE WITH THE STANDARD TO WHICH THEY
ARE MANUFACTURED AND BE RECOMMENDED BY
THE MANUFACTURER FOR USE WITH POLYETHYLENE
(PE) PIPE AND SHALL BE INSTALLED ACCORDING
TO THE MANUFACTURERʼS WRITTEN PROCEDURE.
PROCEDURES FOR HEAT FUSION SHALL BE SPECIFIC
TO THE TYPE AND GRADE OF POLYETHYLENE BEING
JOINED.
(d) Polyethylene pipe shall not be joined by a threaded or miter
joint.
(e) Polyethylene fusion fittings shall conform to ASTM D2683,
Standard Specification for Socket-type Polyethylene (PE)
Fittings for Outside Diameter Controlled Polyethylene Pipe;
or ASTM D3261, Standard Specification for Butt Heat Fusion
Polyethylene (PE) Plastic Fittings for Polyethylene (PE) Plastic
Pipe and Tubing; or ASTM F1055, Standard Specification for
Electrofusion Type Polyethylene Fittings for Outside Diameter
Controlled Polyethylene Pipe and Tubing, and shall be recom-
mended by the manufacturer for use with LP-Gas.
(f) Mechanical fittings shall comply WITH ASTM F1924
STANDARD SPECIFICATION FOR PLASTIC MECHANICAL
FITTINGS FOR USE ON OUTSIDE DIAMETER
CONTROLLED POLYETHYLENE GAS DISTRIBUTION
PIPE AND TUBING AND Category 1 of ASTM D2513,
Specification for Thermoplastic Gas Pressure Pipe, Tubing and
Fittings, and shall be tested and shown to be acceptable for use
with polyethylene pipe and polyethylene tubing.
1. Compression type mechanical fittings shall include a rigid
internal tubular stiffener, other than a split tubular stiffener, to
support the pipe. Gasket material in the fitting shall be resistant
to the action of LP-Gas and shall be compatible with the poly-
ethylene pipe (PE) material.
2. FITTINGS SHALL BE INSTALLED ACCORDING TO THE
PROCEDURE PROVIDED BY THE MANUFACTURER.
(g) ANODELESS RISERS SHALL COMPLY WITH
ASTM F1973 STANDARD SPECIFICATION FOR FACTORY
ASSEMBLED ANODELESS RISERS AND TRANSITION
FITTINGS IN POLYETHYLENE (PE) FUEL GAS
DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS.
NFPA 58
Current NFPA 58
2.4.4.3* Joints in polyethylene pipe and polyethylene tubing
shall be made by heat fusion, by compression-type mechanical
fittings, or by factory-assembled transition fittings AND SHALL
COMPLY WITH THE FOLLOWING:
2.4.4.3(c)(3) Compression-type mechanical fittings shall not be
used on any polyethylene pipe above 2 in. IPS size.
2.4.4.3 (a) Polyethylene pipe shall not be joined by a threaded
or miter joint.
2.4.4.3 (b) Polyethylene fusion fittings shall conform
to ASTM D 2683, Standard Specification for Socket-type
Polyethylene (PE) Fittings for Outside Diameter Controlled
Polyethylene Pipe; or ASTM D 3261, Standard Specification
for Butt Heat Fusion Polyethylene (PE) Plastic Fittings for
Polyethylene (PE) Plastic Pipe and Tubing; or ASTM F 1055,
Standard Specification for Electrofusion Type Polyethylene
Fittings for Outside Diameter Controlled Polyethylene Pipe and
Tubing, and shall be recommended by the manufacturer for use
with LP-Gas. INSTALLATION INSTRUCTIONS SPECIFIC
TO THE TYPE AND GRADE OF POLYETHYLENE BEING
JOINED SHALL BE PROVIDED WITH HEAT FUSION FIT-
TINGS.
2.4.4.3 (c) * Mechanical fittings shall comply with Category 1
of ASTM D 2513, STANDARD Specification for Thermoplastic
Gas Pressure Pipe, Tubing and Fittings, and the following:
(1) Mechanical joints shall be tested and recommended by the
manufacturer for use with polyethylene pipe and tubing.
(2) Compression-type mechanical fittings shall include a rigid
internal tubular stiffener, other than a split tubular stiffener, to
support the pipe. Gasket material in the fitting shall be resistant
to the action of LP-Gas and shall be compatible with the poly-
ethylene pipe material.
2.4.4.3 (D) ANODELESS RISERS SHALL COMPLY WITH
THE FOLLOWING:
(1) THE METAL GAS CARRYING PORTION OF THE
ANODELESS RISER AFTER THE TRANSITION SHALL
HAVE A WALL THICKNESS EQUAL TO SCHEDULE 40
PIPE.
(2) FACTORY-ASSEMBLED ANODELESS RISERS SHALL
BE RECOMMENDED FOR LP-GAS USE AND SHALL BE
LEAK TESTED BY THE MANUFACTURER IN ACCOR-
DANCE WITH WRITTEN PROCEDURES.
FIELD-ASSEMBLED ANODELESS RISERS WITH
SERVICE HEAD ADAPTERS SHALL BE EQUIPPED
WITH MOISTURE SEALS AND SHALL BE RECOM-
MENDED FOR LP-GAS USE BY THE MANUFACTURER
AND SHALL BE DESIGN CERTIFIED TO MEET THE
REQUIREMENTS OF CATEGORY 1 OF ASTM D 2513,
AND U.S. DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION, CODE
OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, TITLE 49, 192.281(E)
“TRANSPORTATION,” AND THE REQUIREMENTS OF
3.2.16.1 THROUGH 3.2.16.8. THE MANUFACTURER
SHALL PROVIDE THE USER QUALIFIED INSTALLATION
INSTRUCTIONS AS PRESCRIBED BY U.S. DEPARTMENT
OF TRANSPORTATION, CODE OF FEDERAL
REGULATIONS, TITLE 49, PART 192.283(B).
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A.2.4.4.3 PERSONS JOINING PE PIPE SHOULD BE
TRAINED UNDER THE APPLICABLE JOINING PRO-
CEDURE ESTABLISHED BY THE MANUFACTURER,
INCLUDING THE FOLLOWING:
(1) APPROPRIATE TRAINING IN THE USE OF JOINING
PROCEDURES
(2) MAKING A SPECIMEN JOINT FROM PIPE SECTIONS
JOINED ACCORDING TO THE PROCEDURES
(3) VISUALLY EXAMINING THESE JOINTS DURING
AND AFTER ASSEMBLY
13.5 JOINING OF METALS.
THE JOINING TECHNIQUE USED HEREIN (WELDING,
BRAZING, SOLDERING, THREADING OR BOLTING)
SHALL BE APPROPRIATE FROM A MATERIALS COMPAT-
IBILITY AND CORROSION VIEWPOINT.
A13.5 – APPENDIX MATERIAL THE JOINING OPERATION
UTILIZED SHALL NOT DECREASE THE CORROSION
RESISTANCE OF THE COMBINED MATERIALS.
13.5.1 WELDING
1. WELDING ON TO PRESSURE CONTAINING
SURFACES AND CONTAINER APPURTENANCES
A. ALL WELDING ON OR TO PRESSURE BAR-
RIER SURFACES SHALL BE PERFORMED BY
WELDERS THAT HAVE BEEN QUALIFIED IN
ACCORDANCE WITH ASME BOILER AND
PRESSURE VESSEL CODE, SECTION IX.
B. THE QUALITY OF THESE WELDS SHALL BE
IN ACCORDANCE WITH PARAGRAPH 341.4.1
OF ASME B31.3. THE ACCEPTANCE CRITE-
RIA FOR WELDS SHALL BE THE “NORMAL
FLUID SERVICE” STANDARDS PRESENTED
IN TABLE 341.3.2 OF ASME B31.3 ONLY. ALL
WELDING PERFORMED TO THESE REQUIRE-
MENTS SHALL BE SUBJECTED TO VISUAL
INSPECTION ONLY.
VISUAL INSPECTION AS APPLICABLE TO WELDING IS
THE OBSERVATION OF THE PORTION OF COMPONENTS,
JOINTS AND OTHER PIPING ELEMENTS THAT ARE
OR CAN BE EXPOSED TO VIEW BEFORE, DURING, OR
AFTER ASSEMBLY. THIS EXAMINATION INCLUDES
VERIFICATION OF THE MATERIALS TO BE WELDED,
JOINT PREPARATION, ALIGNMENT AND EXAMINATION
OF THE FINISHED WELD.
STRUCTURAL WELDING
ALL WELDING OF TEMPERATURE SENSITIVE FERROUS
MATERIALS THAT IS APPLIED FOR STRUCTURAL REA-
SONS AND IS INTEGRAL TO THE INTEGRITY OF THE
PIPING OF LP TANKAGE SUPPORT SYSTEM SHALL BE
DONE BY WELDERS QUALIFIED TO ASME IX OF THE
B&PV CODE OR AWS-D1.1
THE RESULTING JOINT SHALL BE SUBJECTED TO
THE SAME REQUIREMENTS AS THE MATERIAL. THE
MINIMUM DESIGN MATERIAL TEMPERATURE SHALL
BE THE GOVERNING FACTOR. IF THE WELD JOINT IS
SUBJECTED TO THE –20OF TO –50OF ENVIRONMENT
AND THE MATERIAL BEING WELDED IS A FERROUS
MATERIAL WHICH IS BEING USED BELOW ITS NORMAL
MINIMUM DESIGN TEMPERATURE, I.E., BELOW –20OF,
BUT ABOVE –50OF, THEN THE JOINT SHALL BE SUB-
JECTED TO IMPACT TESTING IF THE APPLIED STRESS
IS GREATER THAN 70% OF THE ALLOWABLE MATERIAL
STRESS “S” PER THE APPLICABLE GOVERNING DESIGN
CODE.

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TABLE 13.5.1(2)

IMPACT TESTING REQUIREMENTS FOR

TEMPERATURE SENSITIVE FERROUS
STRUCTURAL OR PRESSURE CONTAINMENT
MATERIALS AND WELDMENTS
FOR SERVICE AT VARIOUS SERVICE
TEMPERATURES.

FOR SERVICE BETWEEN –20O F AND –50O F

For Service Above –20o F

STRESS BELOW 70% S

STRESS ABOVE 70% S
No Stress Level Limitations

MATERIAL AND WELDED ASSEMBLIES CAN BE USED

AS IS
IF STRUCTURAL OR PRESSURE CONTAINING WELDS
ARE STRESSED TO LEVELS ABOVE
0.7S, WHERE S IS THE MAXIMUM
ALLOWABLE TENSILE STRESS
BETWEEN –20OF AND –50OF, THEN
THE IMPACT TEST EXEMPTION PRE-
SENTED IN PARAGRAPH 523.2.2(F)(4)
OF ASME B31.5A SHALL NOT BE
APPLICABLE AND IMPACT TESTING
SHALL BE PERFORMED.

Material and Welded assemblies can be used as is

OXY-FUEL WELDING SHALL BE PROHIBITED

FROM ALL APPLICATIONS THAT ARE TO BE USED OR
INSTALLED IN ANY LP-GAS FACILITY.
APPENDIX – OXYFUEL WELDING IN CARBON STEEL
IS KNOWN TO RESULT IN LOWER TOUGHNESS WELDS
WHEN COMPARED TO CURRENT WELDING TECHNOLO-
GY. FOR THIS REASON IT IS BEING ELIMINATED FROM
THIS STANDARD.
13.5.2 VISUAL INSPECTION. VISUAL INSPECTION SHALL
BE PERFORMED BY A PERSON WHO IS QUALIFIED
IN WELDING INSPECTION, IS FAMILIAR WITH WELD-
ING WORKMANSHIP, AND CAN REVIEW DRAWING
REQUIREMENTS TO DETERMINE WHAT THE FINISHED
WELDED PRODUCT SHOULD BE.
THAT PERSON SHALL, ON AN AUDIT BASIS, WITNESSES
THE FIT-UP, THE WELDING PROCESS, AND REVIEW THE
FINISHED WELD FOR CONFORMANCE TO GOOD ENGI-
NEERING PRACTICE OR APPLICABLE ENGINEERING
DRAWING AND PREPARE A WRITTEN REPORT DOCU-
MENTING THOSE OBSERVATIONS.
13.5.2 BRAZING All brazing shall be in accordance with 3.2.15.1 ALL METALLIC LP-GAS PIPING SHALL BE
ASME B&PV Section IX. ALL BRAZING ALLOYS SHALL DESIGNED AND INSTALLED IN ACCORDANCE WITH
BE LISTED IN SFA5.8 OF ASME-SECTION IIC OR AWS- ASME B 31.3, CHEMICAL PLANT AND PETROLEUM
A5.8 AND shall have a melting point that exceeds 1000°F REFINERY PIPING. All welding and brazing of metallic piping
(538°C). shall be in accordance with ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel
Code, Section IX.

3.2.15.3(c) Brazed joints shall be made with a brazing material

having a melting point exceeding 1000°F (538°C).

6.3.3.1(d)(3) Brazed joints shall be made with a brazing materi-

al having a melting point exceeding 1000°F (538°C). (Vehicular
Transportation of LP-Gas Chapter)

THE –50OF CAPABILITY SHALL BE DEMONSTRATED AS

PART OF THE ASME SECTION IX BRAZING PROCEDURE
QUALIFICATION.
ALL COPPER AND COPPER ALLOYS ARE EXEMPT
FROM THE –50OF IMPACT CRITERIA.
ALL FERROUS ALLOYS, WHEN JOINED BY BRAZ-
ING, SHALL DEMONSTRATE SERVICE CAPABILITY TO
–50OF
13.5.3 Soldering
(A) SOLDERING SHALL NOT BE USED ON LIQ-
UID, VAPOR OR VENT LINES OR PRODUCT
CONTAINMENT SURFACES WHERE FAILURE
WOULD RESULT IN PRODUCT RELEASE.
(B) SOLDERING SHALL BE PERMITTED FOR
HERMETIC OR ENVIRONMENTAL SEALING PURPOSES,
WHERE THE INTEGRITY OR OPERATIONAL CAPABIL-
ITY OF THE COMPONENT IS NOT DETRIMENTALLY
AFFECTED BY THE LOSS OF SOLDER JOINT BECAUSE
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(C) ALL SOLDER ALLOYS SHALL BE LISTED IN
ASTM-B32 – STANDARD SPECIFICATION FOR SOLDER
METAL.
13.5.4 BOLTING. ALL NEW AND REPLACEMENT
BOLTING SHALL COMPLY WITH GRADE B-7 BOLTS
IN ACCORDANCE WITH ASTM-A193 - STANDARD
SPECIFICATION FOR ALLOY-STEEL AND STAINLESS
STEEL BOLTING MATERIALS FOR HIGH-TEMPERATURE
SERVICE. IMPACT TESTS SHALL NOT BE REQUIRED
FOR BOLTING MATERIAL CONFORMING TO ASTM A193,
GRADE B-7, FOR USE AT TEMPERATURES ABOVE -50 ºF.
ALL NEW AND REPLACEMENT FERROUS (NON STAIN-
LESS STEEL) BOLTING AND WASHERS SHALL BE PLAT-
ED FOR CORROSION PROTECTION.
13.5.5 OTHER MECHANICAL CONNECTIONS OTHER
CONNECTIONS, SUCH AS FLARING, COMPRESSION
FITTINGS, ETC. SHALL BE APPROVED FOR USE IN LP
SYSTEMS AND SHALL BE RATED FOR THE DESIGN
PRESSURE WHERE THE COMPONENT IS BEING USED. IF
THAT IS NOT KNOWN, THE FITTING SHALL BE RATED
FOR 1250 PSI.
Those areas which are new requirements, such as the –50° temperature require-
ment, were more difficult to document. In trying to determine the validity of
this new requirement, the following are some of the items that were investi-
gated:
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle in Part
• The Charpy impact test and reliance on it was developed prior to the 1. Accept item number 1.
availability of fracture mechanics theory. 2. Do not accept the deletion of item number 2, and revise 6.8.3.1 as follows:
• The nuclear industry addressed this problem back in the early 80ʼs 6.8.3.1 All metallic LP-Gas piping shall be installed in accordance with
with regard to stress fractures from liquid nitrogen at -200° F (much ASME B 31.3, Process Piping or Section 6.8.
colder than LPG). They developed computer programs to do the Committee Statement: Item 1 recognizes that compression fitting for larger
design analysis, using fracture mechanics theory, that are now com- sizes of plastic pipe are availible and are being used. Item 2, as revised,
mercially available. provides a clear alternate for installers. The remainder of the proposal is
• ASME B31.4 – Pipeline Transportation Systems for Liquid incomplete and would leave omissions in the Code.
Hydrocarbons and Other Liquids specifically addresses brittle and Number Eligible to Vote: 30
ductile fractures propagation (cold temperature fractures) for carbon Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
dioxide piping – but NOT for LPG (402.5), although LPG piping Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
is clearly addressed by the Standard. Carbon dioxide flashes at a
much colder temperature than LPG. _______________________________________________________________
One standard used by the European Pressure Equipment 58-267 Log #244 Final Action: Reject
Directive in the evaluation of pressure vessels, which ( 16-1.3.3 [13-1.3.3 Old] )
includes LP-Gas vessels, is EN1252-2:2001 - Cryogenic _______________________________________________________________
vessels - Materials - Part 2: Toughness requirements Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
for temperatures between -80C and -20C. It is not Comment on Proposal No:58-1
consistent with the proposal contained in 58-137. Recommendation: 13.1.2.3 - change to the current ASME code edition to
“2001”
NPGA was also concerned about developing new, unsubstantiated requirements Substantiation: Editorial changes.
for existing technologies. There is an international emphasis on harmonization, Committee Meeting Action: Reject
therefore, mandating that existing standards be reviewed and considered before Committee Statement: Updating of references is a committee function. The
new requirements are developed. latest edition of the ASME Code will be referenced when the 2004 edition of
NFPA 58 is published.
There was not sufficient time to read all of the standards, worldwide, on the Number Eligible to Vote: 30
topics in the proposed Log #86. There are many international standards that Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
have a bearing on the materials and equipment used in the propane industry. Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Though too numerous to list here, the list of such standards is available from
NPGA. _______________________________________________________________
58-268 Log #CC27 Final Action: Accept
Standards were obtained and read, and details were noted where inconsisten- ( A.1.1 )
cies were present with Log #86. Many such inconsistencies were present _______________________________________________________________
and NPGA has developed a list of them for just one comparison between the Submitter: Technical Committee on Liquefied Petroleum Gases
proposal 58-137 and ASME B31.4 – Pipeline Transportation Systems for Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Liquid Hydrocarbons and Other Liquids. Too voluminous to include here, it Recommendation: Revise text to read as follows:
is available from NPGA staff should the need arise to review it. The analysis A.1.1 General Properties of LP-Gas. Liquefied petroleum gases (LP-Gases),
clearly indicates that it was not always obvious where the requirements in the as defined in this code (see Section 1.7 3.3.35), are gases at normal room
proposal 58-137 originated. The process of analyzing where the requirements temperature and atmospheric pressure. They liquefy under moderate pressure,
came from and whether any proposed changes were reasonable and necessary readily vaporizing upon release of the pressure. It is this property that permits
has been ongoing. transportation and storage of LP-Gases in concentrated liquid form, although
they normally are used in vapor form.
Unfortunately, due to the time frame within which NPGA has had to respond Substantiation: Corrected reference.
on this issue and the enormous amounts of material that need to be reviewed to Committee Meeting Action: Accept
substantiate the necessity and validity of proposed changes, we have only been Number Eligible to Vote: 30
able to complete two areas of the proposal that we believe are ready for inclu- Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
sion in NFPA 58. Those proposals are for Joining and Polyethylene Pipe. Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD

These are proposed above for your review. NPGA is committed to continuing
to work through this proposal, document the existing versus proposed changes,
and develop alternate proposals, on an issue-by-issue basis. Separate task force
groups will probably be necessary to tackle the larger issues. We are confident
that the NFPA Technical Committee on Liquefied Petroleum Gases recognizes
the need to document and understand new requirements prior to adopting them
and will continue to work with us to ensure that NFPA 58 continues to safe-
guard the public.
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58-269 Log #32 Final Action: Accept
( A-5-2.3.3 [2-2.3.2 Old] )
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Bruce J. Swiecicki, National Propane Gas Association
Comment on Proposal No:58-25
Recommendation: Add a section into Annex A as follows:
A-5.2.3.3 Prior to December 1, 1963, ASME containers greater than 30
gallon water capacity, up to and including 2,000 gallon water capacity, were
not required to be equipped for filling into the vapor space of the container.
Substantiation: The striking of the date may have precluded the reinstallation
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of a container that was manufactured prior to 12/1/63. cylinders from fire exposure.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept 2. the installation of piped flammable gas piping systems instead of hoses.
Number Eligible to Vote: 30 Committee Statement: Accepted with an editorial change, and an update of
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27 the.
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 26 Negative: 1
_______________________________________________________________ Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
58-270 Log #57 Final Action: Accept Explanation of Negative:
( A.5.2.6.5 ) MORTIMER: This should be looked at again and reconsidered.
_______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Samuel E. McTier, McTier Supply Co. / Rep. NPGA
Comment on Proposal No:58-1
Recommendation: Delete the following text: _______________________________________________________________
A.5.2.6.5 This marking requirement did not apply to containers before 58-273 Log #245 Final Action: Accept
January 1, 1996. ( D.1.2.4, Table D.2.1.5, D.2.3, Table D.2.4.4 )
Substantiation: The labeling of containers that contain unodorized propane _______________________________________________________________
should be automatically retroactive and this Annex statement could indicate Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
that the container does not need to be marked if it was built before Jan 1, Comment on Proposal No:58-1
1996. Recommendation: D.1.2.4 - add another sentence. “In 1998, ASME reduced
This Annex statement should be deleted. the safety factor or design margin from 4:1 to 3.5:1 noting improvements in
Committee Meeting Action: Accept metal manufacturing, welding techniques, x-ray quality and pressure vessel
Number Eligible to Vote: 30 manufacturerʼs quality systems.”
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27 Table D.2.1.5 - change title to “Container Pressure and Safety Factors/Design
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD Margin for various editions of the ASME code”
In the chart change “1980” to “1998”
_______________________________________________________________ add: “1998 to current” add “3.5:1 design margin”
58-271 Log #20 Final Action: Accept in Principle change “safety factor” to “safety factor/design margin”
( A-6-18.9 [A-3-4.9 Old] ) D.2.3 - change “design pressure” to “pressure rating”
_______________________________________________________________ Table D.2.4.4 - Change “Design Pressure” to “MAWP” for ASME
Submitter: Eddie Phillips, Southern Fire Code Development Committee construction”
Comment on Proposal No:58-67 Change “safety factor” to “safety factor/design margin”
Recommendation: Add a new annex note to read: Note: Donʼt change the right hand side of the chart, safety factor is correct
A.6.18.9 The use of LP-Gas containers inside of Assembly occupancies for API-ASME construction
for flame effects before a proximate audience requires compliance with the Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Standard and NFPA 160. Storage of idle cylinders should be in accordance Committee Meeting Action: Accept
with the Chapter 5 of NFPA 58. In cases where the minimum 20 foot Number Eligible to Vote: 30
separation distance in Section 3.4.9.4 cannot be satisfied, additional safety Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
controls such as the construction of a noncombustible line of sight barrier to Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
protect adjacent cylinders from fire exposure or the installation of properly
designed piping systems instead of hoses may be considered by the AHJ as _______________________________________________________________
equivalency for allowing a reduced separation distance between containers. 58-274 Log #CC35 Final Action: Accept
Substantiation: We agree with the negative comments of Mr. Stookey. The ( E.2.2 (4) )
Standard offers no guidance on storage of idle cylinders or when it is or is not _______________________________________________________________
acceptable to reduce the separation distance in Section 3.4.9.4. Section 3.4.9.4 Submitter: Technical Committee on Liquefied Petroleum Gases
does not provide any criteria to the AHJ so this Annex was developed Comment on Proposal No:58-1
to offer some suggested improvements that offer equivalent safety when the Recommendation: Revise E.2.2 (4) to read:
required separation distance cannot be satisfied. (4) Flow rate for all containers
Committee Meeting Action: Accept in Principle Flow rate CFM Air = 53.632 A0.82
Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58- (Log where A = total outside surface area of container in square feet obtained from
#50). (1), (2), or (3).
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27 Substantiation: An omission in the preprint is corrected.
Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Number Eligible to Vote: 30
_______________________________________________________________ Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
58-272 Log #50 Final Action: Accept Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
( A-6-18.9 [3-4.8 Old] )
_______________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________________________
Submitter: Scott A. Stookey, Phoenix Fire Department 58-275 Log #246 Final Action: Reject
Comment on Proposal No:58-67 ( J.1.2.3 )
Recommendation: Add a new Section A.6.18.9 in the Annex that reads as _______________________________________________________________
follows: Submitter: Greg McRae, Trinity Industries Inc
The use of LP-Gas containers inside of Assembly occupancies for flame Comment on Proposal No:58-1
effects before a proximate audience requires compliance with the standard Recommendation: J.1.2.3-Change 1998 to “2001”
and NFPA 160. Storage of idle cylinders should be in accordance with the Substantiation: Editorial changes.
Chapter 5 of NFPA 58. In cases where the minimum 20 ft separation distance Committee Meeting Action: Reject
in Section 3.4.9.4 cannot be satisfied, additional safety controls such as the Committee Statement: Refer to Committee Action on Comment 58-267
construction of a noncombustible line of sight barrier to protect adjacent (Log #244).
cylinders from fire exposure of the installation of properly designed piping Number Eligible to Vote: 30
systems instead of hoses may be considered by the AHJ as equivalency for Ballot Results: Affirmative: 27
allowing a reduced separation distance between containers. Vote Not Returned: 3 BOGOSIAN, KASTANAS, WARD
Substantiation: The Standard offers no guidance on storage of idle cylinders
or then it is or is not acceptable to reduce the separation distance in Section
3.4.9.4. Section 3.4.9.4 does not provide any criteria to the AHJ so this annex
was developed to offer some suggested improvements that offer equivalent
safety when the required separation distance cannot be satisfied.
Committee Meeting Action: Accept
Add a new Section A.6.18.10.4 in the Annex that reads as follows:
The use of LP-Gas containers inside of Assembly occupancies for flame
effects before a proximate audience requires compliance with this code and
NFPA 160. Storage of idle cylinders should be in accordance with the Chapter
5 of NFPA 58. In cases where the minimum 20 ft separation distance in
Section 6.18.10.4 cannot be satisfied, the AHJ in determining equivalency may
consider additional safety controls such as:
1. the construction of a noncombustible line of sight barrier to protect adjacent
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