ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕ

ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ

Kabeer, the dinner of beans and rice is excellent, if it is flavored with salt.
Who would cut his throat, to have meat with his bread? ((188))
(ang 1374)
sri guru granth sahib ji
.

At one level this is a mistranslation and at another misrepresentation of the context within
which this is written:

In the above Gurmukhi, there is no mention of meat whatsoever. "ਹੇਰਾ ਰੋਟੀ ਕਾਰਨੇ
ਗਲਾ ਕਟਾਵੈ ਕਉਨੁ ॥੧੮੮॥ / hayraa rotee kaarnay galaa kataavai ka-un", means
literally, who would cut their own throat to eat food. The person who has tried to
translate this has added his/her own spin .What this is actually saying is that to the
follower of the Guru or one who has been touched by God a simple dish of
Kheechree (lentils and rice), flavoured with salt is enough. To have something more
exotic to eat you would not cut your own throat (the western equivalent would be to
cut your own nose off to spite your face). In no way is this tukh anything to do with
meat eating and the person who has misrepresented and mistranslated it should be
held to account for his/her actions.

ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕ ਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕ

ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ

Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine

- no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. ਕ233ਕ
(ang 1377)sri guru granth sahib ji
.

Answer to this post will be in following 2 posts.

Taking out the sentence we see

ਕਬੀਰ ਭਾਗ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਸੁਰਾ ਪਾਿਨ ਜੋ ਜੋ ਪਰਾਨੀ ਖਾਿਹ ॥

Kabeer, those mortals who consume marijuana, fish and wine –

ਤੀਰਥ ਬਰਤ ਨੇਮ ਕੀਏ ਤੇ ਸਭੈ ਰਸਾਤਿਲ ਜਾਿਹ ॥੨੩੩॥

no matter what pilgrimages, fasts and rituals they follow, they will all go to hell. 233
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji

Firstly note that maachlee is not flesh, but is indeed fish. The word in Punjabi for
flesh is maas. Then secondly one must ask, why is there a forbidding in the
consumption of fish specifically. The answer lies in reading the entire paragraph
and a picture emerges. In the last two lines the statement is made:

ਕਬੀਰ ਜਉ ਿਗਰਹੁ ਕਰਿਹ ਤ ਧਰਮੁ ਕਰੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਤ ਕਰੁ ਬੈਰਾਗੁ ॥

Kabeer, if you live the householder's life, then practice righteousness; otherwise, you
might as well retire from the world.

ਬੈਰਾਗੀ ਬੰਧਨੁ ਕਰੈ ਤਾ ਕੋ ਬਡੋ ਅਭਾਗੁ ॥੨੪੩॥

If someone renounces the world, and then gets involved in worldly entanglements,
he shall suffer terrible misfortune. 243

Now putting this in its entire context what Bhagat Kabir is actually criticising in the
rich and those in power. The thrill seekers, who are addicted to their senses and
those addicted to the 5 thieves. Kabir was born around the area of Benares, and was
brought up in a poor Muslim weavers family. He saw the excesses of the rich around
him, while the poor starved. Foods like fish and wine were associated with the rich
who had an excessive disposable income. Marijuana was associated with either idol
people or those who had time and money to waste. Kabir abhorred this, and this
statement is a social comment about the excesses of the rich. At the end he clearly
states, that those people who do their duties as householders (i.e. work hard, care for
other etc) are the ones who will be liberated, and those who live by excesses will
suffer. One can therefore clearly see that this is in no way a comment about eating
meat (because of mistranslation) or about avoiding certain foods (as has been
misrepresented).

ਕਕ ਕ
ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ
ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕ
ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ
ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕ
ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ
ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕ ਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕਕਕਕ ਕ

The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and
spiritual wisdom. What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads
to sin? It was the habit of the gods to kill the rhinoceros, and make a feast of the burnt
offering. Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour
men at night. They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do
not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. O Nanak, what can be
said to the blind people? They cannot answer, or even understand what is said.
ang 1289

sri guru granth sahib ji

.
This tukk doesn't even need any explanation from anyside.. This is a slap on
vaishnumata's bhagats' face by baba nanak. He very beautifully explained..

According to the Maryada booklet 'Kutha', the meat prepared by the Muslim ritual,
is prohibited for a Sikh. Regarding eating other meat, it is silent. From the
prohibition of the Kutha meat, it is rightly presumed that non-Kutha meat is not
prohibited for the Sikhs. Beef is prohibited to the Hindus and pork to the Muslims.
Jews and Christians have their own taboos. They do not eat certain kinds of meat on
certain days. Sikhs have no such instructions. If one thinks he needs to eat meat, it
does not matter which meat it is, beef, poultry, fish, etc., or which day it is.

One should, however, be careful not to eat any meat harmful for his health.
Gurbani's instructions on this topic are very clear. "Only fools argue whether to eat
meat or not. Who can define what is meat and what is not meat? Who knows where
the sin lies, being a vegetarian or a non-vegetarian?" (1289) The Brahmanical
thought that a religious person should be a vegetarian is of recent origin. Earlier,
Brahmans had been eating beef and horse meat. In conclusion, it is wrong to say
that any person who eats meat (of course Kutha, because of the Muslim rituals is
prohibited) loses his membership of the Khalsa and becomes an apostate.

The above discussion leads us to the conclusion that the Sikh Gurus made people aware
of the fact that it is very difficult to distinguish between a plant and an animal, therefore,
it is difficult to distinguish between a vegetarian and a non-vegetarian diets and there is
no sin of eating food originating from plants or animals.

The practice of the Gurus is uncertain. Guru Nanak seems to have eaten venison or
goat, depending upon different janamsakhi versions of a meal which he cooked at
Kurukshetra which evoked the criticism of Brahmins. Guru Amardas ate only rice
and lentils but this abstention cannot be regarded as evidence of vegetarianism, only
of simple living. Guru Gobind Singh also permitted the eating of meat but he
prescribed that it should be Jhatka meat and not Halal meat that is jagged in the
Muslim fashion.

AN AMRIT-DHARI DOES NOT EAT MEAT OR DOES HE?

This clearly a falicy, since the rules that guide and Amritdhari are from the Rehit-
Marayada, which places no taboo on meat eating.

EYE WITNESS ACCOUNTS OF EUROPEAN TRAVELLERS OF SIKH DIET

DURING THE 18TH AND 19TH CENTURY

There are a number of eyewitness accounts from European travellers as to the eating
habits of Sikhs. Although there is no prohibition on Sikhs for eating beef, it is clear that
Sikhs as a mark of respect for their Hindu neighbours did not partake in eating beef:
The Seiks receive Proselytes of almost every Cast, a point in which they differ most
materially from the Hindoos. To initiate Mohammedans into their mysteries, they prepare
a Dish of Hogs legs, which the Converts are obliged to partake of, previous to
admission............They are not prohibited the use of Animal food of any kind, excepting
Beef, which they are rigidly scrupulous in abstaining from.
John Griffiths writes in February 17th 1794

The seiks are remarkably fond of the flesh of the jungle hog, which they kill in chase: this
food is allowable by their law. They likewise eat of mutton and fish; but these being
unlawful the Brahmins will not partake, leaving those who chose to transgress their
institutes to answer for themselves.
William Francklin in his writing about Mr George Thomas 1805

It is clear from the above that there is a clear distinction between Sikhs (meat
eaters), and those who chose to follow Brahmanical practices (Vegetarians),
however there appears to be no dispute over this issue as people are allowed to
decide for themselves.
The following is an Extract from an officer in the Bengal Army and is taken from
the Asiatic Annual Register 1809:

Now become a Singh, he is a heterodox, and distinct from the Hindoos by whom he is
considered an apostate. He is not restricted in his diet, but is allowed, by the tenets of his
new religion, to devour whatever food his appetite may prompt, excepting beef.
Asiatic Annual Register 1809

Clearly, this gives us an idea that even independent observers of Sikhs who saw
their eating habits. These Sikhs were around some 100 years after the demise of the
last physical Sikh Guru and represented hardcore Sikh philosophy at that time. .

WHY MEAT IS NOT SERVED IN LANGAR .

The reason why meat is not served at langar in the Gurdwaras is because langar is
supposed to be a symbol of equality of mankind where all people no matter what race,
religion or caste can eat together in the atmosphere of brotherhood. Hindu, Sikh, Muslim,
it does not matter who they are. Different religions have different dietary restrictions.
Hindus cannot eat cow, muslims cannot eat pork and will only eat halal meat. Jews will
only eat kosher meat, others cannot eat fish or eggs. But in a gurdwara langar, it does not
matter what their dietary taboos or religious beliefs are, the food is designed so that all
can eat together and no one will be offended or not be able to partake of the meal.
ਅੰਡਜ ਜੇਰਜ ਉਤਭੁਜ ਸੇਤਜ ਤੇਰੇ ਕੀਤੇ ਜੰਤਾ ॥ ਏਕੁ ਪੁਰਬੁ ਮੈ ਤੇਰਾ ਦੇਿਖਆ ਤੂ ਸਭਨਾ ਮਾਿਹ ਰਵੰਤਾ
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Casteism

ਨੀਚਾ ਅੰਦਿਰ ਨੀਚ ਜਾਿਤ ਨੀਚੀ ਹੂ ਅਿਤ ਨੀਚੁ ॥ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਿਤਨ ਕੈ ਸੰਿਗ ਸਾਿਥ ਵਿਡਆ ਿਸਉ ਿਕਆ ਰੀਸ ॥ ਿਜਥੈ ਨੀਚ
ਸਮਾਲੀਅਿਨ ਿਤਥੈ ਨਦਿਰ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਖਸੀਸ ॥੪॥੩॥

Those who are lowest of the low class, the very lowest of the low; Nanak seeks the company
of those. Why should he try to compete with the great? In that place where the lowly are
cared for-there, the Blessings of Your Glance of Grace rain down.

ਜਾਿਤ ਕਾ ਗਰਬੁ ਨ ਕਿਰ ਮੂਰਖ ਗਵਾਰਾ ॥ ਇਸੁ ਗਰਬ ਤੇ ਚਲਿਹ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਿਵਕਾਰਾ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

Do not be proud of your social class and status, you ignorant fool! So much sin and corruption
comes from this pride.